You're listening to your Worst Friend Going You're listening to your Worst Friend with Shane and Matt Going Deeper, Season four. My name's Matt, and I'm joined today by my friend and co host Shane. Hi. I'm Shane. Today. We have a lovely world traveled guest. I'm assuming I don't know. I read her background. It looks like the United Nations. I love it. As listeners of the show know that is it's not not my type,
but that is really Shane's type. And then the opposite side of that is she has tattoos like she just got off Warped Tour O six, which is my type. So I think we're gonna have a really fun time today. I think we're gonna have to play Sweeties my type on the outro. Yeah. I don't have the rights to that, so we won't be but thanks. You can listen to that on YouTube as well if you'd like to. Ladies and gentlemen, today we have with us Arabel Raphael, Arabel, thank
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I think I said that a couple of times already. So you, like I said, or when I read your description, you're about me. If you will, I could have seen a different life for you, and I want you to tell me where it went right now. If I was Ted Cruz, I would say sorry, I don't mean to make a political If I was some conservative politician, I would say, where did it go wrong? But tell me where it went right for you? So your background reads like this. You were born in Paris, France. Yes, you
are Tunisian, French, Iranian and Jewish. Yeah, okay, all right, here's you currently live in the Bay Area. That's just a Los Angeles. Okay, los Angeles. I've never been west of Pennsylvania, but that's fine. I could have seen you go into good schools, getting a job in marketing, working in Manhattan, you know, living Lower West Side,
something like that, making good money. You meet some finance bro, you get married to, um, maybe you have some kids, or maybe maybe you guys wait too long to like have kids because you're both working on your career, so maybe you adopt. Who knows. I could have seen you going that way, just based on my which is probably considered racist, a view of your you know, diverse background and your world traveled and this and that. Where did it go right for you? Where did you go?
Nah? That's not it for me. I was in school for a bit, and I don't know. I've always been like a pervert, like in that natural born ferver, always been really like sexually curious and like and very into like from like drag Queens to like Jessica Rabbit to whatever, all these like really extra like extra ultra like a comedic form of like femininity. It was like hot and cool and interesting, and so that's always been a part of me. And then I was in school, I just was curious.
I was like doing like nude modeling already, like that was already. I grew up in like the suicide girl like era, Like you know, I want to be a suicide girl. You know, when I'm like nineteen, we're about two years off indifference. So I'll tell you that were you, and I'll I'll let you get back to your thing. But you just reminded
me when you said suicide girl. Were you exposed to porn like most people like teen and stuff like that, when you were a team not team you just never want to associate the word teens too closely with porn, but when you were a team. Because I'll tell you the girl that really set my sights off in terms of what I like in a style and an aesthetic and stuff like that, And I think you'll know her if you were into it back then. And I've been in contact with her and she won't get back
to me. Liz Vicious. Do you know Liz Vicious? So in a rob Rotten stuff, I don't know. I think she did mostly independent stuff, but she was doing this ship back in two thousand and five, two thousand and six, so around the time Burning Angel was coming about. Yeah, so that I mean, and you've worked with Burning Angel before, which is I think incredible and awesome, but it's it's it's okay, so sorry.
That's that's my one where I go like, oh my god, google that after the fact, she is still doing a little bit of independent stuff, but she had her own site and everything else back in like too. I mean, it was might as well have been Geo Cities or whatever else they were pushing out bund or something. But that was when I started my thing for like you know, like you said, perverted but also kind of like alt chicks and I hate to like put everyone in boxes, but that
is what porn does, you know? Yes? Um uh so when did you I mean growing up? Then again, like I said, you're in Paris and whatever did you did you come to the US. You came to the US in about five years old, I read, right, yeah, okay, all right, So when did you start getting like your esthetic behind you? When were you like fuck man? And was it music inspired? Was it TV inspired? Movie in spot? What was it that like you're like, I just need to get tats all over because it's it's what I
feel. Well. I was always like outsider, just different like kind of flavors. Like when I was in the fifth grade, I read a historical fiction, you know, I like had like bore glasses, had curly hair, was like kind of a fucking nerd, but like not like had good enough grades to be like the like the really murder. I was just way. I was just weird. I was weird and then like you know, uh, twelve years old like that, I like discovered like like punk and
metal and like golf music. I like I got into all of the like alternative music scenes like kind of like around twelve years old, um, and then have been in and out of like the music scene for early long time too. So yeah, yeah, yeah sure, but yeah I was just always weird and just kind of changed now like people think I'm cool and have you know, but really I just have big tits and tattoos, you know what I mean. I think that's cool. I think that's very cool.
I still think it's weird, you know, as before, Sure, sure, sure, so it seems like, yeah it it probably hit us around the same time. Was it the whole was it the whole pop punk skate punk type thing that came in and then you explore the older stuff along with that or no, am I just totally off. I was just watching Blink one eighty two clips from Coachello all day yesterday, and I feel like that's too fucking soft for you. You're probably like, oh, this guy's a
pussy. I like that when I was like like eleven, Sure, yeah, something in nostalgic. So I never liked Brancid, like so, I never liked a lot of the like, but I like some pop punk. I like The Descendants, that's pop punk. I like The Dead Milkman. Sure, um yeah, so I do. There are certain job Breaker isn't bad. There's some stuff that I like. But you know, I grew up in the same town as like, yeah, Rancid and Green Day and
all that stuff. That's bless my gym. I'm I was way more just in general, like into hardcore and like mes just metal, Okay, all right, cool, Yeah, I feel like I mean, I have some fas. I'm not going to pretend that I didn't like like Blink one, ay two when I was a kid. Sure, I always saw those as kind of the avenue into the harder stuff for me at least. We grew up kids just in Jersey. You know, we're not anywhere near We're polar opposite from where you grew up. So it sounds like, um so,
then we have the entry it's entry level. You go through it. Yeah, it's the small ramp at the skate park before you learn to drop in. Yeah, I get it, I get it. I get it. Um So, then take us through later on into your life. When do you go, I'm going to get into porn now, like this is this is like is it a jump right to porn? Did you do any kind of stripping first or anything like that and whatever your first entry into sex work was. What were you feeling at that time? Where was their trepidation?
Was there like excitement? I assume it's a bundle of everything, but go ahead, Oh, it's everything, everything all at once. Um And you don't realize how big of a decision you're really making, Like because I mean this is that, you know, I was w I was a nude model, and then I just be more and more curious of like making more sexually explicit content. And so one day I just signed up to kink dot COM's
like application, and that is how I started in sex work. I've done a lot of different types of sex work over the years, but like that, my first entry into it was pornography. And yeah, I mean I like gained a lot and lost a lot. You know. Um, it was it's like, yeah, it's everything at all went and you don't really Yeah, it's you're just not very aware of just how much this will like affect the rest of your life. You know. Um, Luckily I enjoy
it, but it's like it's a wild ride. You know. I've never asked this before and and I don't believe it, but it's just something to ponder and to think about. Here, do you think do you think the age of entry should be opped a little bit for something like porn? That's that's not an argument I'm making. It's literally just a thought experimental, But
yeah, I have really really mixed feelings about it. I think in some ways, like I don't like taking away any way folks can like survive and make a living from people and no matter if like maybe I don't think they're like maybe mentally ready, like shit happened and like time sometimes like that could be in a way like situation saving for folks. Right, here's that. At the same time, do I feel like making such a big life altering decision at a young age is a great idea? No? Man, I
feel the same way about the military. I think that should have a higher age. Straight. I think eighteen is really young. You're not You're still a child. You still have a team, your brain hasn't developed yet. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm thirty four and I feel like I'm a young adult. Yeah. No, I'm going to be fifty before I go like, yeah, I think I'm ready to grow up now. At this
point, I just don't want to. We're the same age, I guess because I'm thirty four two and I still feel like I'm a kid, just like waiting for somebody to tell me what to do. Like I wake up every day and I take my kid to school, and then I'm like, oh, man, where's my dad to tell me what to do? All day? You know? Yeah, yeah, and all you did was spend your youth going like, motherfucker, if these people could just leave me alone, Yeah, I wish God, I hate this motherfucker. Okay, all
right, so what was your first scene? Do you remember your first scene? Does it become a blur at some point, like do you remember your third scene? Or is that just like your age? No, I remember the first like war, Okay, fair enough, I think first or three something. I got my first scene. It was a public disgrace. It was weird, so I got hired in a different way. It was someone else's public disgrace, and King Kad hired me to be one of the like
extras that ends up sucking or touching them or like you know. But the whole thing that they did was like, how do you publicly disgrace the attention? Horror? Don't give her any attention. So this person's public disgrace turned into just me getting fucked the entire time in public. And that was ever. That was like the first time I did anything like that. And then
I did Burning Angel after. I think I did do Burning Angel scenes after because I had myth Um, an actor that was dating Joanna Angel at the time, and he introduced me to her, and that's how I started doing Burning Angel One. That's funny you start. It's funny you started out as a as an almost like an extra in a way where it's almost like Quentin Tarantino pulling somebody off the side and going, you're gonna be with Brad Pitt. Now just converse with him for a while, and uh, you know
what, Let's keep more. Let's keep the camera on arabell more because Brad is fine, but we really want to center on this. That's so, I mean, does that happen often in porn? Or did you just have the right look at the right time and the right willingness to do things? Have you ever seen anything like that to that degree happened before on any of the other sets you were on? Oh what do you what do you mean? What do you mean? You said it? Maybe I was confused by
the story. It sounded like you were on the set to be or oh yeah, no, this is not normal. But oh okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, all right, Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. No, I mean I think it's something I can but no, not not like that. It was a different This is also a different time porn. You know, there's been a lot of change in the last like even just the thirteen years. And I know before like the people I
know, they've been around longer than I have. Like I've described even more like evolution in the in the last leg dec I mean, porn is ever changing, right, Sure, it's worth it. So a lot of things that have like how it would have happened then, like wouldn't necessarily have No, I'd say, is it for the good or for the bad? Because we've talked to girls going both ways. We've talked to a girl who started
out probably fifteen years ago, Trinity Saint Clair. Maybe I don't want to date her too much, but yeah, and she talks about how back then there are different parts where maybe like a guy on set is having trouble getting hard and the girl would just go or it'll help him out. But she's also been on sets nowadays where the girl just walk away and bury yourself in her phone and whatever like that. Like that's just an example of challenging times.
Do you think. I guess progress seems like it is always for the better, But I mean, is it such a drastic change that you notice it and you go like all of this is good, or are there certain things that you've taken away that you enjoyed that have changed in the industry, or are there things where you go, man, look, I wish they would do this. It would make it so much easier, better, make it for better work. It would be you know that it's changed for the
better. I do. I think there's a lot more to like, a lot more progress to be had, But in general, I like where it's going for the most part. And I am someone like I don't know you take that example, like if you're not a dick, like if you're a nice co star, like I'll help you out, you know, But I like the option of like that not being an expectation. Sure right, because like that's not my job. But like I am someone that's like when your chill, like yeah, why not, I'm going to be doing it anyways.
Sure, sure, sure, yeah, yes, as soon as you get that up, we're gonna run the camera and we're gonna do that anyway, so it might as well. Yeah, But like I do like that that's less of an expectation because that is like I've definitely like done like gang bangs and like people like kind of expecting that, and I'm like, I'm about to take on five of you, Like I don't really want to fluff
you, like get that ship on my face right now. Maybe maybe you could just do your job over there and I'll be over here as the human pin push for a while. Yeah yeah, come on, girl, you're right, I guess that. Yeah, okay, all right, that's an interesting take on it. I think that's good and I think that is progress for sure. Yeah yeah, And I think there's just like I don't know,
I have an easier time working than I ever did. I mean, it's hard to compare because like I have a built fan base now and like what you know, I have like a name that like is established. But it was like extra hard with especially girls that are like this heavily tattooed, Like you know, we were on Burning Angel and like that was and then there'd be like a couple here and there that would get to do stuff.
But also there was kind of this expectation, and I feel like I do like I'm like I would say I'm midwild, Like I am not a vanilla performer by any means, but I am also not the girl who's taking like three dicks in our ass, which is awesome. I just physically cannot do it, yeah, saying I'm going to kick it over to a question for
you after we do this one. So we do a little game on here called sack, right, because when we started doing these interviews, we would ask this question, and inevitably we would say, what is something that you, okay, would not take any amount of money to do? Or what is something you may or someone you may take a discount to work with, or a type of scene that you love so much that it comes a little bit lower than your normal rate, but you're like, fuck, I love
that side or I want to work with that performer or whatever. So the first part we call it SACK, which stands for shit, Animals and kids, because when we would ask the question what would you not take any money to do? Some of the girls would be like, well, I wouldn't fuck a dog, and we would go, yeah, we know that, Like those are the three that if you tell me you're going to I got to hang up the phone on you right here. So take those out of
the equation. But is there anything you would not the example I always give every episode people hear this, but one of the first interviews we did was Sarah Jay. Sarah Jay has never done an anal scene ever. She's been offered, you know, five digits, you know, a good amount of money to do one, and she just never has. She doesn't want to.
She chooses not to all of that. What is something if there is something where you would not really because you said you don't go to the you know, the furthest end of the spectrum in this what is something where you would just be like, yeah, now I'm not I don't want to do that either you don't like how it feels or you don't like how it's going to eventually end up looking on camera, or what is something or something you're
just not comfortable doing sexually. So I mean there's a there's probably a lot, and yeah, money really doesn't and that's like definitely just a privileged money like does not at this point, does not go into why I like to take a booking or not when I'm working for other people at this point, which I'm super before. But mmmm. Fuck. By the way, by the way, don't let producers hear you say that, like money is not so much an issue anymo. No, no, no, no, no,
it's an issue, just not not right now. Don't let anyone short change you. Oh no, no, no, I was kidding. I was okay, yeah, I was just kidding. I was kidding here, all right, Sorry, go ahead back to your thinking. Yeah, I don't know. There's a bunch of different stuff. I don't. I don't like to do anything that's gonna get my like hurt my body or like really like take it out for long periods of time because it's not really words,
it's me anymore. Um, but I guess I would not. I don't really Okay, I don't want to like do heavy corporal punishment for scenes ever again. And I have and I'm really enjoyed it what I did. But like now I have like absolutely no interest in that. There is no amount of money and what is that like canning? Is that like yeah, yeah, okay, heavy like nipple clan like just all the like heavy stuff. Like there's some pink, submissive pink stuff because I still like get slipped around,
I look getting choked. Like it's not like I'm you know, not have no submissive like side of me, but like I'm definitely pretty much down
done with like kind of like slave dynamics. And like yeah, heavy heavy, heavy BDSM with like specifically yeah co pro okay, And then what about the inverse of that, where is something again money not so much a thing, but then maybe factor that in. What is the type of scene that maybe you haven't been able to shoot yet or something you have shop maybe once that you're like fuck, like you're talking to an agent or self booking and you're reaching out to people like hey, by the way, I'd like to
do one of those again if you could send it my way, or I'd like to work with that person again. Please, is there anything like that? I would really like to shoot a by scene. I have not done that in thirteen years, which is like, yeah, right, it's a long time. I would really like to shoot a by scene. I'm so looks specify you mean by like two dudes going at you and they're also blowing each other and stuff. Yeah yeah cool, Yeah, Like I was just
gonna say, well, look, you have two dudes right here. I don't mind kiss and Shane. Um No, that's just a lot of really interest Matt, Yeah, shut the fuck up. What kind of market is that? Does that? Like? Okay, let me ask you who likes watch and this is not a negative thing. I'm not saying like who the funk likes watching who likes watching that? Do girls like watching that? Do bisexual guys? Sure? Yeah, I watched that. Sh you think girls
like watching it? I don't know, something like lesbian born. I don't know that a lot of guys like watching that, except for like the ones that were like beat by priests when they were younger. There's like there's the crowd. It's a smaller crowd, sure, true, but by this but yeah, for sure, Like it's not the same lesbian doesn't say it's sell the same as like boy girl like sure right right, Like my wife prefers lesbian stuff. Um is like the difference I'm saying where you would normally think
like, oh shit, two chicks together. Yeah, well, guys ain't coming out as much for it as I feel like girls are. So the guys really like trans women and sis women. I think guys like dick in their porn. Sure, yeah, no matter what happens with it, like they want a lot of I'm talking to the majority none every dudes. And the woman was like, I know, but like yeah, like I think guys are really like sick their porn and like, yeah, so, but
I don't think they care with like how it really happens. Really No, yeah, I don't care, no, no, no, yeah, I'm totally cool with it as many and as big as we can find. And I'm the straightest guy in the world. I love watching gang bang porn. It's just my thing I like. But I don't like. Now let me ask you, so we straight Yeah, that's my title, obnoxiously straight. So you said you've shot gang bang porn before, right, I believe. Now let me ask you which do you prefer? And I think I have
a feeling based on what you just said. But I really like the stuff where it is not a woman necessarily being dominated, it is a woman is the center of attention, right, Like these guys. I don't need like guys and collars or anything like that, but I need guys to like understand they are privileged to be there, not like, hey, we got three holes, pick one? You know what I mean? U I am, But yeah, I prefer number too. I've done three different types. I
don't even know what the third type could be. No, i'd say too. But I've done three different gang bays. First one was like very rape scene scenario. Hated it, wasn't into it and it was very much like you just getting ravaged. But like just but I don't know, I don't like it. Number two cock hungry slut loved it, adored it, and
it was just me. It was just the me shell, you know, and it was a good time and it was it was really fun to be just like yeah, just being slutty and like, yeah, feeling it kind of like celebrated. It was. It was super fun um and then the third was cool and it was fun. At that point, I think I lost the novelty of the game bag. But but yeah, I don't know. I definitely I like. I like being showcased and what I can do, and it's kind of like like, look what I can do, like
because it's not easy. It's not an easy it's not easy to do is not easy. So it's uh, I don't know. It's a really cool experience too, sure, sure, the center of attention one is the cool experience, right yeah, yeah, Now the first one I didn't enjoy. Some people do. It was just stuff for me. But you know, I've always I'm usually open to trying things like one and seeing if I like it or not, and I was just like great, fancy not for I, um, but like, yeah, it was super fun to just be.
I was just like a slutty like Alice in Wonderland. It's really fun. Fair enough, Shane, you have to if you have a question, I can just go all day. So I'm sorry. Yeah, I wanted to talk about the stuff outside of porn. Um. Matt showed me some of your I guess we could just call it artwork. I guess your photography. Um. Um it was a specific uh theme right where it was. It was comments that had been posted and then you turn them into pieces of art. So let me please. Can I plug it? You want me
to plug it? Or do you not really up to it? Okay, cerebral Musings dot com is uh some of the stuff I saw? Um, Shane continue with the question, I just want to plug that. Oh yeah, I just want to know if that was your first time doing something like that, if you just did it on a whim, or if you if you have like a whole bunch of artistic endeavors outside of your porn career. Um, I've been so. I actually went to an art school, got kicked out, um for literary writing, and then I make dioramas um and
used to paint like a ton in high school. So I've always like been creative. I'm when I got into adult I definitely started making way less because I was funneling my creativity in a different way. Um. So that's actually something I'm like working on to like start making stuff again. Um. But yeah, so that that that series. I basically I had the idea for a long time. I didn't know what I was going to do with it.
I just like for years I started collecting like the most hurt horrible or the weirdest like comment and even I have another thing that I started with, like acts of praise but like better. It's basically just how people respond to one sex workers and just in general public personas and how much they like project and either you are like the scum of the earth or you're put on a pedestal to a point of like not human being. Basically you're no longer human
when you're your friede. Yeah, exactly when you're up for like public consumption like that. So that was kind of the idea, and also that I was just like reflecting a mirror of like this is actually like what you're saying to somebody right now, like this is what you're working upon me. Um, So, I didn't know what I'm gonna do with it. And then finally I was invited to do on art show in San Francisco, and so I kind of like decide to just do that. I've not done a lot
of like photography, Like I'm not a photographer. I'm very much I just kind of jell alter. I just try a bunch of different things. And obviously I have like a mom like background and all that kind of stuff. To yourself, I knew enough to start playing around. I like your idea of the positive comments, but it really the one you did before the uh,
you know, negative comments. It's a brilliant concept. It's it's almost like I'm looking at them and I don't want to share it because it'll take it away from you, but I'm looking at them now and it's really like to me, it's it's this is how you're making Arabell feel through your comments. These are the representations of your comments, and look at You're very beautiful in them, but look at the ugliness this person is spewing out with this
comment. And let me try and do something with it to make you feel that way, and I think it's awesome. I always appreciate any kind of art, even even the not that this is that, but the silliest, dumbest art, Like you still have to sit there and you have to think about this is stupid to say, but I think about it with albums. You ever buy an album and there's two good songs on it, well, there's eight other songs that someone was sitting there going like this is how I
really feel like. This is me getting like emotions out. Yeah, maybe maybe some corporate entity fucking roade it up for them, but you know, I think people need to have more of an appreciation for art, and that's part of the reason we do this, because there is an art aspect to porn as well. There can be I mean, obviously it has a utility I will be using after this interview, but uh yeah, there's there's you know, there's an art aspect to it, and I think people should have
a little more respect for it and for the artists in that aspect. No, and I mean performing is an art. It can be really boring to watch. Fuck yeah yeah, actual skill that goes into it and portraying like actual essentiality. There are some performers that are not essensial, you know, like you're just kind of like, what are you doing? You know they're dirty or whatever. But it's like there's no I don't know, there is a craft too, I like to say, and I repeat myself all the
time. But it's fine that like porn, like a good scene. When I shoot a good scene, it feels like an un choreographed ballet, like right, it feels like creative, energetic, like all the end. You have to create a whole like a vibe, and you have to sell it
because you you know that's not correct. Yeah, exactly. So it's it's totally it's performance, so just performing itself as an art, and then people can take a step further further in the way they produce porn porn, whether it be like the aesthetics or like story or whatever the fuck you know. Sure, my favorite thing is when people want to criticize something. My new thing is like, hey, hey that movie sucks, Hey this sucks. I didn't like that ending. I don't do that. I immediately just asked,
what would you do differently? Because it's almost like a lot of people have criticisms, and very few of them have answers. And for me, when people criticize porn stars or porn whatever, it's like, Hey, Bud, are you sitting in your basement type in this right now? Like, what did you do today? Did you go out and perform? Did you go out and bear your soul and your body to everybody in the world you're most today? Yeah? Did you show anyone in bole today? And what
else? It's just like there's also so much kinds of porn out there, you know. The people who are like, oh, all porn is this, I'm like, actually, really haven't been digging because there's so much different kinds of shit. There's really every like something for everyone, every kinnie, really, every whatever. So like when people also like to make blankets statements and about like porn, I'm like, there's like all kinds out there, you know. Sure, Um Jane, any of the questions, Um,
yeah, do you want to shoot a scene with my wife? I don't know. I will have to look up your wife south Sends you are a link. Well, let me let me ask you so in terms of only fans and producing and shooting your own content and stuff like that, how do you go about that? Do you? Is it like you're the studio and everything right off the bat? Do you mostly look for collaborations? Are you putting together the entire thing? Are you what is your only fans? Like?
Do you have a vision board like from the Secret? I do not know. So I do a lot of different kinds of stuff I will make, Like the content I making could be from like amateur home personal to like a studio like production, mainstream studio production. Sometimes you know, it's like me doing everything the editing and whatever. Sometimes I have other people do it. I kin depends on the project how complex it is. And I like variety. I like making a lot of different types of stuff. So I
like to make a lot of different kind of porn changeup looks. But I do I'm aware of, like I mean, the biggest moneymaker for me, and I think it's not just me. I think it's most people. Bowl is the amateur content. Is the stuff that folks really really because there's this, It's the interesting porn stars in the last like the last twenty years kind of shifted from like being unattainable like Hollywood stars, and it's kind of gone
into online escorting. Companionship with that, I'm not talking about actually meeting folks with people, but stuff like girlfriend. Yeah sure, yeah, you're an interact girlfriend. And it's so that's like really changed. Right before, if you wanted to meet a porn star, you were either paying a lot, a lot a lot of money for a one on one situation, right, or you were going to conventions. Now only not everybody goes to porn conventions.
Not everybody goes to conventions, right, And that was the only way you were going to meet or otherwise they were stars you don't interact, and now like it's you're talking to your favorite porn are every day for some you know folks. Um, So that's like changed so much. So I think it makes sense that the content that makes the most money is like more amateur because it's more personal or whatever. But yeah, I like it all like a bunch of shit, so amateur it's good now, Yeah to piggyback off
at amateur. So like what your your best content or best selling content, your most popular would be like stuff you're doing on your phone or um, like it's going to have like a certain aesthetic, right is that? Is that what you mean? Like maybe like you're alone in your bathroom type deal alone or even like a hook up with a hookup that's like held on a
phone, something that's more of like a sex tape. Um. You know, I've noticed even just like photography, like you know, the artier gets the most people are interested, which for me, like I obviously I like I think a lot of models like that's where we I enjoy both. It's just different. I'm sorry my dog. No, you're totally fine. I do she had a dog? Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, there you go. Um, so that's that's interesting. So we've asked this too,
and we've gotten a variety of answers. But do you, and this is not an indictment of the industry at all, do you like shooting mainstream porn or is it an advertisement for your only fans? Because oh my god, there's a fly it's about to bite your face. Oh I know it's got away. Um, do you like mainstream porn or is it just a great advertisement for your only fans? Not that you dislike it, but you know
what I'm saying. Some girls call to say, like I love being on set, I love shooting, I love the lights, I like the professionalism, I like this and that, and some girls know they're going to be at the top of brassers on the thing and someone's going to look at it and go, look, I'll go to see if she as an only fan. So how do you view it? I mean I view it as both. I really really enjoy performing, I really do. I love it, and it is cool to like have some be a part of someone else's vision
and do something else like that's fun. I mean, I've always enjoyed. I love playing like make Believe, like it's it's a good time. So I just like it. But like I'm also aware that it is good for me, and I'm selective on like what these days. But that's also more less about me not liking about preserving like work you were cutting out a little bit less less about something and preserving your well my body and just like caring for it and not overworking it and all that kind of stuff and health.
So that's more of the reason why I'm like more selective with it. But no, yeah, I don't know. For me, it's definitely both, like that's definitely like a really great thing about it, and I also, yeah, I really I enjoy being on set and I don't have I don't have to be there, right, Um, I have a big enough following
at this point people know you and my only fans. But like you know, and yeah, it's great promo, but you can make promo and up you promote yourself in different ways that that has nothing to do with mainstream born I do. Yeah, I enjoy it. I'm glad to be there, you know what I mean. Yeah. Um, So I have a question that you're not gonna answer. No, No, you won't do it. I am confident you won't do it, but I would like to. You have worked with some of the loves of my life. Um. In fact,
you've worked with at least one girl who's on this season. Um, who was your favorite female performer to work with? And this is not an indictment of any of the numbers two through whatever, But do you have a favorite female performer that you've ever worked with? Uh? No, just because I've I've show with so many babes. Sure, so many hot, smart, sexy, perverted like weirdos, and they're all hot for a living, so it's just like to have one. But I also don't have a favorite
band. I don't have a favorite author. I like too many things to have, like that one thing that I'm like, I understand, I understand you probably got a list of favorites. Yeah, yeah, but I do have a list. Yeah, I would have a list. There are people that like, if I keep making content with someone, it's because I'm having like a good time with her enough. Yeah, I look at this list. So Anna Fox, I would marry her. Charlotte, I would obviously marry her. Um, Joanna, I mean, come on, that's pretty
much my way. Oh well, that's good to hear. I terrified her at Exotica this year. I ran up to her, I think as there was something going on behind her, and I had a fucking business card and I was like, oh, I'd love to do an interview with you. Sometimes she goes, oh yeah, okay, thanks, all right, Like I had leprosy, so that was my fault. I will eventually get her back on. But um yeah, no. I mean, you've worked with
a lot of big names but also really great performers. Not just names because I won't name them, but there are some big names who I watched their scenes and I'm like, you're you're hot, but you don't perform that well. No, totally. There's some people, is exactly it. Some people are just taught and that's enough for someone for sure. Let me ask you
one quick question. Could a girl, because you seem very intelligent when it comes to the social media aspect of stuff as well, right, and I pose this to someone else before I'd like to bring it back Shane, as like as a thing, all right, and we're just saying on the general scale, okay, could a girl that is a ten versus a girl that's a six make more money if the ten has no idea what TikTok even is, but the six knows all the social media algorithms. How important is social
media to you all? You know? I mean, is that your best selling lead to be able to get out there to people? Yeah? Yeah, so I think yes, I think I think that like social media savviness, you will out I knew, yes very much. So okay, okay, yeah we'll outweigh someone's looks. For sure. If you have the looks but don't know what you're doing and don't whatever, it might not go anywhere.
I know plenty of like sex workers that were like way more commercially attractive or like whatever, and like they always like just fumbled the bag, you know, Um, because yeah, you have to you have to be savvy. Um. Yeah, okay, all right, Shane questions. UM let me think I did have a bunch in my head, but I'm so mesmerized
by everything she's saying. You know, I did notice you're you're definitely like I think Matt said at the beginning, worldly, Um, like you have this kind of vibe about you where you you seem to be like, um wise beyond your years. Do you do you notice that like with other performers, do you have like a do you get a sense that like the ones who who really get ahead they kind of have like an extra like a little
bit of knowledge? Because I mean we've talked to some performers who, like you know, you're carrying this conversation with us, we'll ask a question that is an open ended question and it's like yeah, yes, you know, it's like yeah, they're just lifeless, you know. Um do you do you do you find that? Um? Maybe, I mean I assume that's like that's probably been with you your whole life. But um, one is
that something that can be taught? And two is that like is that something that you know you think keeps you a cut above the competition in the in the porn world. I mean, I mean I feel old in general because you know, I'm at thirty four and get messed up with like nineteen year olds and twenty year olds all the time. I think you should feel young. Then yeah, what's up? Yeah you should feel young. They're putting it their mom. What do you think? Oh yeah, okay, yeah
battlement. Yeah, but yeah, totally so I I in general, like most of the time I'm around like folks that I feel very like mother. I'm like playing their mom. And then like I like, they're so much younger than to be that I feel like their mom. So that's uh something. But I do you need that to do well? Though? There's some terrible people that do great. Do you do you prefer working with younger or
older people? Is there any Is there? The answer I've heard from other performers, and I'll let you take it as a stock answer if you want to, is that performers come at all ages, right, But do you feel more comfortable like if you're coming on a set and it's like a boy boy girl, and like both of the guys are like just turned eighteen two weeks ago, or a girl more more seasoned, or you want someone but
say you know they're still say they're all equal performers. Do you have a preference on who you'd be working with, not when they're so I usually prefer I prefer older or my age. I do, but I have been surprised by some of the like younger like crabs too, And I've been like, okay, you know what, like I was a little like, I wasn't sure, and You've like you're you're freak Like that's great. Um, but but yeah, I tend I tend to prefer like, yeah, folks that
are a little older, I think, yeah, yeah, um. We gotta wrap up here with you soon. But I have one more question again, just going through your IAFD here and seeing some of the people you've worked with. So someone just started a hot rod outside. That's very obnoxious. I'll talk louder um. You've worked with Chloe Cherry in the past. Yeah,
okay, do you have any we've seen Shane. If you don't have Chloe Cherry as you probably do, but she was just on you for you this past season, Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Um, do you have any mainstream ambitions. I would if if the opportunity
were given to me, I would do it. I was approached a couple of times and one just didn't work with my schedule and then the other and you know what, like I do regret not making and work with my schedule, so like I'm not above it. I was just kinda like, Ohkerhall, like I know you were like a suburban about your schedule, but I've just done this. It would have been fun. Um, But it's not
like something I'm looking for and whatever. I'm definitely interested in making diversifying just the content I make, like um, and that's what I've been doing, like more just more podcasts in general, and like just starting to just do more shit that's a little like yeah, that's outside of porn. But it's not something I'm like chasing either. I'm not trying to like become a famous actress. But if someone was like, we want to put you in this,
I would gladly take him. Have a good time. Now, I want to see more porn stars in drama roles because Shane, what is the genre Everyone's putting a porn star in? Uh stripper? Oh, you know, not the role wasn't he wasn't even listening hard right, it's horror, right, we're putting porn stars in harror euphoria as drama. No euphoria is
to me is the exception. I love seeing that. I love seeing that, But I mean everything else is a trauma movie or a fucking three day Yeah, but there's also the exploitation movies, yeah, like, which aren't necessarily more That's what I'm yes, comedy too, That's right. You had like all the Silent Bob movie. There's one where they had a katy Katie Morgan. Yeah, Zach like a porno yeah yeah. Yeah. To me, I want to see more porn stars in drama because I do think a
lot of you are really good performers. Some of you are not really good performers, but a lot of you are really good performers. Um, all right, we're gonna wrap here. Shane ask your question that you always do at the end of every interview, Oh do you like piss? Yeah? She's a winner, Man's a winner. Ladies and gentlemen, Today we had on Arabel Raphael. You can find her across all social media Instagram, Twitter, at Arabel Raphael and her only fans at Arabel Raphael check the episode link.
Uh no, the episode description for all the links. We always put all the links up for everything. Make sure you go and you pay for your poorint. And I don't know if you're just some guy who's hanging out on Twitter, send all the major studios like, Hey, I'd really like to see this girl on your website blah blah blah. I don't know if that stuff works, but maybe it does, does it? Yeah, yeah, it happens enough. Yeah, okay, all right, get out there
and push that um verbell. Thank you very much for coming on with us today. Yeah, thanks for having me, all right. For your friend, I'm Matt, I'm Shane. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. Thanks for listening to your worst friend going Dee