Ep. 038 - Caitlin Bell - Going Deeper

You're listening to your worst friend going Deeper. You're listening to your worst friend going Deeper with Shane and Matt. I'm Matt. I'm joined today by my friend and co host Shane. Hello. Hello, and we have a very special guest with us today making headlines, which we will talk about at some point. We're joined today by the lovely Caitlin Bell. Caitlin Bell can be found on Instagram at Official Caitlin Bell, on Twitter Latina Bell XO XO. On only fans, get out there and go pay for it, Okay,

please, these people don't be cheap. It's just a couple bucks. Shell it out. It's like three Starbucks if that. If you're getting cheap Starbucks, Okay, go out there and get it. Only fans, Caitlin is naughty, and you can get links to everything she's doing and sign up for a site at Caitlin bellvip dot com. Caitlin, thank you very much for joining us today. Hi guys, it's good to be here. So I've been doing a ton of research on you listening to you have one of the

most fun personalities I've ever really listened to. You just are so sweet. But you know what, you're doing and you're smart and your energet and basically what I'm saying is will you marry No, I'll think about it. Yeah yeah, don't tell that to my wife. Let's just ask her again at the end of the episode. See see how she answers. Then yeah, well she'll hang up halfway through. No, no, no, no thanks,

I'm not blind kind of situation. No, you'd have to be blind to fall in love with me. I appreciate that, but um no, so let me ask you first. Let's talk all right, let's get the people all excited who are talking about? What was your first foray into porn? So I've been in the sex industry pretty much my whole life, on the escorting set. But what got me into porn itself was after COVID.

We were all stuck in our apartments, you know, regretting life and all the things we did or we didn't do, And I got recruited off Twitter. Some guy had been following. His name was Michael Whittaker, Thank you so much, and he was like, I've been following your career. He's like, have you ever thought about porns? Like you're absolutely out of your mind, and he goes well, what do you can You lose the world at my end, and we're going through a pandemic. So I was like,

you know what, You're right. And it happened to start in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, which is where I was planning to move a week before. So I feel like it was written in the stars for me and I just went with it. So destiny, Yeah, yes, it was destiny. So you said you were always in escorting, right, did that start when you were eighteen, nineteen twenty or did you have any other different ambition before life? Well? Okay, well my whole thirties pretty much. Okay,

So I started when I was twenty eight. Prior to that, I was a stay at home taking care of rich girl. I thought that's what I wanted, the white picket fence, three story house, a nice car, all the money I want. When at the end of the day, I wanted to make some money on my own. So I left that horrible relationship and lo and behold, he was cheating on me and frequency a strip

club that was down the street from our house. So in order to get back at him, I started working at that strip club that he had VIP parking at and he never stepped foot in there, so I actually thank him because if it weren't for him in each cheating ways, I wouldn't have wanted to get revenge and start working at a strip club, which I never in

a million years thought I did. But it was the most liberating thing I did for myself, and I was like, Wow, I self can make all the money that I watched the way that I want to make it and get to know my sexuality. So again, sometimes bad things happen, but good things can come up them. See, it's surprised me. It surprised me that you said you you were a stay at home well you know wife, because you have like not in a negative way, because this is going

to sound like a real negative salesperson written all over you. Like if you told me you were slinging viagraah for Fiser somewhere, which we are not sponsored by viser by the way, Um, I'd be like, Oh, she's the regional sales rep of the decade or something like that. Uman, do you you? You you seem to I know nothing about you yet but will dive into it. But um, nothing more than I've read or I've seen

or watched or listened to but um sales. I mean, did you learn that in the strip club or was sales just like you kind of you kind

of knew, like can you feel it when you're into sales. No. The thing that got out of that relationship is he was a CEO of a very large company and he used to take me to all these conventions and he would teach me how to pick the most important person in the room out and have and somehow find a way for us to have a conversation with him, so then he could strike up a business still while he was walking the sales

floor making other connections. So again, bad situation. But he taught me everything I need to know about sales and how to approach people, how to see who the most important person in the room is. And I just kind of used those skills that he taught me to strip. How did that benefit you when you were working at the club? I mean, were you just run I mean, let's be honest, No, no offense to your sales skills, which I just complimented here. But you don't look like a chick

that gets turned down a lot for dances, by the way. I mean, it's not like you have no offense. It's it's not it's kind of like you're welcome around selling the cure for cancer to cancer patients. It's like, oh they needed would I wouldn't say, you'd be like, I'll just oh, yeah, really, I keep going back to the former references. Here, let's get a sponsorship. I can't really see you walk around a club and you come up and I think to myself, I'll just wait for

something better. What what is going to come around that's better? Yeah. Well, we also have to figure out though, because there's so many different personalities and I didn't know how to dance at all. I literally was like, let's do this. Well. People don't realize is that dancing is extremely hard and taxing on your body, and I lost twenty pounds the first month I worked there. So I had to learn other ways to shine, which

whether it would be how I dressed. I always were mostly all white lingerie that would hit the black light so that I was, you know, my hair was blond, it would pick up the light that would be a certain way, and my speaking skills like yeah, I might be able to give you the best lap dance at the time, but I could sit there and actually make you think, and I did give a shit about why you're there or why you're not there and dive into you're sad or not sad story.

So guys would come there not to just see me dance at the beginning. They came there to talk to me and to relate to me in certain ways. So, yeah, you gotta use what you gotta use for talentsoever you can in any situation with tenism. So that's how I use them at the strip club. And I was only stripping for two months because I figured out that you work smarter, not harder, and esporting was a much easier and more profitable way that didn't involve for am nights and smoke. So I weighed

the options. Yeah, yeah, Change, did you have any question? Change's wife is actually a poll instructor? Um, Yeah, I don't know. I don't mean to throw you under the bus like that. I just I not. I'm not saying this in a shot or a negative way, but I always have to hear, not have to enjoy hearing about how much work pole is and learning it and working on it. And it seems like, you know, I'm gaining more and more respect for it by the more

by more performers that we're talking to. You know. I again, I never did disrespected it before, but to me, you could just stand on stage and kind of just move your arms. I'd be like, yeah, that's good. I feel like they're doing that when I'm featuring. I'm like, I was like, guys, I don't know what the fuck are doing. They're like, just just walk out there. I'm like, no, I'm not going to just walk out there. They're like, there's a girl

who literally flops around the stage, like flops around. This isn't you know. They're not using the term like she's like just flopping around. She looks ridiculous, but trying to do a nineties worm. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. It looks like a dish rag that you threw on the scene, just kind of flop it up and down. Shane, did you have any questions? I hate I dive into these and I just Chane sits there quietly until it can sneak a question, and so if I try and push

it more, don't feel obligated to either, though. Shane, Well, so how did it feel. I mean, was that a hang up for you moving from the club to escorting or I mean, I guess we can actually ask our question where we rank our our motivation for staying in the business.

But it's like, you know, you'd think, like some people, not all, but some people might have like some reservations about moving from just taking your clothes off or just dancing on people to actually escorting, like you know, you know, giving yourself over to somebody, you know, a stranger for a certain amount of time and then doing that perpetually. Did you

have a hang up on that or was that no big deal? It wasn't a big deal because I found myself the strip club in these VIP rooms with the person for two three hours, and I mean, I'm only doing so much dancing, and a lot of time we were just talking like you know, of course dancing and stuff, but I was just talking a lot of the time. Like and even in my escorting situations, people think that I'm

going and they're getting fucked at death. I'm not. The guys that I pick treat me like this is a first date and they're losing their rigidity. So yeah, so it's you know, it's it is. It feels like a first day every time I go on these these excursions with these individuals, and I realized just being in just stripping that I was very comfortable taking my

clothes off. I couldn't understand why. And even in porn, I was absolutely terrified, Like I was shaking so much that my makeup artist was like, if you can't stop shaking, I'm not going to do this because I'm going to stab you in the in the eye. And I was like, I know, I know, I know. And I was even right before the camera went on, What the fuck was I thinking like, oh my god, But then all these people are there, You've already flown down. It's like, just do it. But I was having a panic attack.

Um, But the moment the camera went on, it was the craziest feeling. I went from being completely nauseous and sick to just I felt so free and not afraid and like insecure, not insecure at all. It was just It's the craziest feeling. And it happened every single time that Cabra comes on. Now I'm just embracing it more and staring more deeply into its eyes. I guess did you get that feeling the time you you the first time you took your clothes off on stage at the strip club or were you just fueled

by anger at though? Okay, okay, no, no, I was even when I that's the craziest thing. It's getting easier. But even when I featured as my friends who see me, I have a slight panic attack. I'm like, I feel I've thrown up a few times. But some times they've pushed me on stage and it's just I get pushed out there. I see the lights, I see the people, and it's gone, like

everything's just gone. Sure, we going back to something you said about business and how smart it is, and I heard you say this in another interview. It made total sense to me, and it was actually the blueprint on how I did this as well, how Shane and I built this. Now we're downloaded in over one hundred countries, we have a lot of reach,

pretty decent reach. It's growing more and more. But when we first started, we were getting like nothing, obviously, because we wants to listen to just two people talk if you don't know them, there's no fame per behind it. And what I did was in the first season of booking our porn star interviews, I reached out to all the biggest names I could obviously didn't hear anything back went down. The level went down a couple level. No insult to the women on there, they were great. It's just in terms

of fame it was a little bit different. And sometimes your DMS, your messages will go into our DMS and we won't see them for as well. See, I figured that. So what I did was and obviously we had a little follower account at the time. So what I actually did was I went to certain escorting websites and I found email addresses, but I addressed it very professionally. There was no bait and switch. I wasn't like, hey, by the way, we'll give you a No. We were able to

and she was not on one of the escorting websites. I was able to find this. We were able to get Sarah J. Who is a huge name in the industry at the time, she had five million followers on Instagram. That kicked those off, she lost that account. Whatever. But like you said, in terms of meeting someone big, talking to someone big, you could potentially close the deal, but maybe you learn something from them, maybe whatever. That gave us credibility too. Hey, these guys talked to

Sarah J. Who's got one. From there, we had different PR agents reaching out to us saying, hey, we'd like to get our client on your show blah blah blah blah blah. And from that point on, my thing is you just have to do it, and you have to do it well. So recording this now, this isn't going to come out until I believe may and you're one of our middle number of interviews. Because I take the time to edit things, I take the time to clean everything up.

I want to give a good presentation. I feel like there's a lot of that in you where it seems like you are. Are you a bit of a perfectionist with things? And not at all in the negative way I am when it comes to things that I really love, Oh yeah, No, I don't care about the other sit now oh yeah, and I'm just like whatever. But when it comes to things that I really loved and enjoy,

and you know, yes, I put my whole heart into it. Sure, I've always said this since I was in my twenties, and I never followed it on a day job, and it's unfortunate I never did it. Used to tell people all the time. There's a CEO of waste management somewhere. If you like picking up trash, do that to the best of your ability and work your way up the chain. I am completely I don't know

what you're doing when it comes to the trash pile all your heart. Yeah, and you enjoy anything that sounds cliche and cheesy, but it's true. It's it's one hundred percent true. I worked at best Buy in high school and the CEO at the time who got fired for buying gifts for his secretary on the on the on the down low, um, but he started as a guy stocking shelves. And it's it's really if you're passionate about something, and maybe my passion is not the same as your passion, but if you're

passionate about something, there's a boss in that industry. So just there is it. So how there's people that that you can relate to that are proud of what you're doing. And that's why I love the industry. So community exactly. I finally have a community of people that are applauding me and saying good job. And that's that means a lot. Sure, sure, so what how are you going to apply that even further going forward? Because I looked I was looking at your you know, I a f D and this

and that, and I go, this girl's okay. Here's how my misconceptions were. I'm like, okay, this girl's in her twenties and she's been doing this probably eight nine years. You're not. You look incredible. You're not even that old. But I don't want to make it sound like that, but you look incredible for your age and why older than that? But thank you. And you've only been in the porn industry for two years now, so two years and joy, Yeah, you seem like you're hitting this

meteoric growth. Is that the same principles we just talked about where it's you want to associate with the best names, maybe not even the biggest names, the best names that can put you into positions to then skyrocket your own career. Yes, and you do. You just fired off of what I was going to say next. It's not only the community, but the time of

the community that you surround yourself with the type of people. So now I'm being very careful who I bring into my world and who I should content with because I have my own path. Everyone has their own path, and I don't need to be shooting with every single person that someone else may want to. But I am being very careful with my content now. There is a very strategic plan that's going into play. I just started doing my content and

focusing heavily on it. And it's a method. All these content creators that are making tons of money are business people and they're using it and using a method to create this income. And I'm learning that method. It's work. But I can see a very very shiny bright light at the end of the tunnel. So this is not to denigrate any of the scenes you've done or anything like that, or the people you've worked with. Looking back at your plan as it is now, where there's scenes you wish you could take back,

and I'm not going to ask you a name any of them. No, you're fine with all. I'm very very lucky, just I think because I did start so late in the industry and I had a great pea, I mean a great rap Brian in Florida really to a care of me when I got to the industry. You know, he put my price point in a certain way, and he shot me with the biggest names from the beginning. I feel like I'm looking back and I'm like fuck Like, I don't have any like low films that I really did, you know, or horror

stories that some of these people go through. So I'm just lucky. There's not a single scene out there that I regret. Sure lucky, but at the same time strategic, and I think new girls who are coming into the industry need to know that you don't. I understand pay and rent is important, but you don't need to take everything that you may look back as a black something you may look back as a black mark on your record at some point, I want I want all the girls voice out there to know that

you do whatever makes you comfortable. You do not have to do a single thing, not a minuscule thing that makes you uncomfortable, and the people and the talents will respect that. And if they don't say something like this is a fun industry, it's the messed up people that create a bad name for it. But the rest of us out here are just trying to have fun and make money. Sure that kind of leads me into my next question, Shane, do you have anything before I jump into this? Though? No,

I think I know what you're going to say. Go ahead. Well, recently there's been some controversy. I don't want to use any names personally, You're welcome to but there's been a lot of it feels like over the last probably three months, I've seen random people or studios or whatever people are

calling them out right. And I respect calling out bad people right right, But is there also possibly a problem with interpretation, like maybe someone said something I'm not even asking a comment on specific issues, I mean just in the

industry. How tricky is it to kind of navigate that? I hate using cancel culture, but you know, like if you've had a experience with a performer, right, nothing but good experiences, they were sweetheart, and then someone else had a bad experience with that performer, but you're friends with that person, and that person starts calling out that performer, do you feel obligated to stand up for that person at all? Or because then you'd be kind

of shooting down somebody you did have a good experience. I take my basis or my situation on a person by person basis. I do this in my relationship, my friendships, everything. If I have had a good experience with you and you've done nothing wrong to me, I have no qualms or I'm not upset about it. I'm not going to take it out on you, and I'll continue to shoot with you. I will question and i will ask

you to your face what happened? What was the situation? And nine times of the ten I've asked these questions, it's a misunderstanding on one part or the other. So I am just like friendships. If you're not going to be friends with that person and they did you wrong, I'm not taking sides. If you expect me too, well, then we're not going to work together because this is an high school guys, this is this is business. Um, she's good. But if there's if there was real true rape involved

with there are situations where you know, then that's a different story. But I need to see concrete evidence that this happened and then we can talk about me not shooting with that person again, sure is there and again not asking for names. Is their companies or performers or anything else that you have like on a no list that you're just like, ah no, not necessarily. Do you have any type of scenes that are on a no list for you? In terms of your brand, Um, well, I haven't done anal

not that it's not my brand. I've actually really want to. I'm just terrified. Um, I'm just getting these big old you know, cocks in my buzzy. Um, which I'm I think I'm taking them like a champ. But back there, I mean, I've had it before, but it was you know, I was in love and in college you know a lot of molly. Yeah that helps. Yeah, so now things are different us. It's usually a deciding factor for melly involved involved. Yeah, so it's going to happen. I know it is. I'm just well, how do

you feel about piss No? I mean no, I won't personally. I think it's fine. I just don't want it on me. I'll pee on someone though I have. But that's a typical answer. Um. Yeah. But as far as shooting content though, you it's that's an open door where you'll you know, you're at least willing to piss board somebody. Yeah, I'll pisspoort. So I just don't want to be Peter. That's just my preference. Fair now. Yeah, that's the dividing line between Shane and I.

Hear I'm not into Urine. Shane is respect it both ways. Now, let me ask you, you're not into it? Is it because it's gross to you, or because it's degrading. I feel like it's degrading. I don't like buy Bali fluids, p ships. I mean, ship's wayne ever, I'll you know, I just for me, it's a degrading thing. And that understand. I don't hope that's just not my image. Totally understands degrading. No me. I think it's because it's more socially accepted to

come on someone's face. Like I really like come too, So maybe that's the difference. I don't really like urine, but I love Stephen. See Shane's trying to. He's starting a new organization called Stop the Stigma. But it's about urine play and how it should be accepted in society, accepted publicly. He thinks it should be taught in schools, all kinds of stuff. Um, kids, he got each other. Yeah, yeah, he wants to incorporated into the gym curriculum. So you know that's his thing though.

And I don't make judgments. Um, so we do thing you mentioned. Shit there for a second. It's called sack right because inevitably, when we first started the show, we wanted to ask girls, hey, what is something you are absolutely not into so people put piss out of the equation because

you're not. But let's do that. And they would always bring up one of the three shit animals or kids, and we understand shit animals and kids are kind of a given for us at least, like you didn't people, Yeah, you didn't have to tell us or like I probably wouldn't fucking eat year old. It's like, yeah, we know you wouldn't. And if you would, let me hang up this call right now, yeah, please, Well i'd post it online first for a little bit of cloud, but

yeah, sure, no exactly. Um, is there anything else aside from urine where you're just like not in me? That's not something I'll I'm interested in? Really? Oh oh see now your well wait wait, if I could, I would, I would do a glow bang, but I would have to pick, I guess, just like I would do a gamming pick every single talent that was doing it to me. I would have to hand select my glowbang crew, which I think that an orgy would be the same

way, or a game wing. Sure, yeah, so why why the aversion to that, Like if they're all tested in like like reputable talent, Yeah, I think it's because yes, I want all the individuals that are in there to be reputable talent and again, degrading thing. I like the degrading thing when it's on, like on my choice. So I just having a bunch of random guys I don't know coming in my face doesn't sound like fun. But a bunch of guys I do know that I think before coming

on my face. Different story. Sure, you know, we just had this discussion with another performer. Her name is kat Karma Orgasmic. She started mostly on only fans and she's gotten real big since then. But we talk to her and her husband. Actually they're swingers, and her husband and I both connected on this type of thing. Who was wanting to bang his wife? No, I'm just kidding. Her husband and I both connected on this thing where we both like group porn, gang bang porn, blowbanks, but

we're not into the degradation part of it. So it's like, I want a chick that is just fully satisfied in every way. I don't need like three guys just like I'm getting mine, you know. So I assume if you were to shoot a type of scene like that, it would have to be almost in that sense, Yeah, but I feel like, because yeah, you're you're the main character. But all these guys is come in your face is what the scene's all about. Sure, and you know they're just

their goal is to just come on her face. There's not really anything else that goes with it. Oh and you're just the dumpster taking it. What if they curtsied and kiss your hand afterwards though, to like kind of affirm like I am appreciate it, that's a great idea. What if they your they what if they ate their own come off your face afterwards, like cleaned you up. That's not much for me either. Like that, Yeah, I bet I knew she would. I knew it because I could tell she's

a lot like my wife. I feel like, because I feel like my wife and I were having this discussion the other day. She does online content too, and we're we're just talking about like getting her new scene partners and stuff like that, and we're we're kind of in the same mindset where it's like, you know, if if you're going to be picking people to be

shooting this content with, you don't want just like some random shlub. You know, you want somebody who's gonna you want somebody who's going to be a able to help further your career, be able to provide like an adequate scene, you know, shoot a really good scene and not you know, just come in two seconds and just not perform warm and in three uh, somebody who you actually like, like you said, you know, and that's that is really difficult. I mean, especially for us, like you know,

making amateur content stuff, it's really difficult to find male talent. M who who I mean, just go on Twitter and and try and find male talent. You will get a hundred replies to a single post in one minute, and it's going to be you know, ninety nine of them are just gonna be dudes just jamming cock picks in their face. Like I'll shoot a scene with you. It's like, all right, man, have you ever shot a scene? You know, like so they can do apart it so funny.

Yeah. Yeah, So I definitely respect that mindset where it's like, you're not gonna cowtow to the scene. You are the scene. You know, just because it's a blowbang doesn't mean you have to lower your standards. Um, and I'm assuming it's fun, yeah, I can tell. I'm assuming you've been like that your whole life, right? What just um, you're kind of like h have you always been? Like? Um? Probably too good for the guys you date a little, not that you act that

way, right. My friends always say, I date like really bad? You date down? Is that your thing? Sometimes I haven't told that, but I'm done. I am now You're taking exactly. I love it so much, so like now I'm just like what, I have a sad day, you know, with someone that I was dating, and then I go on set. I'm treated like a queen and sexually satisfied, and I leave set with a smile. I feel at a check and I was gonna say in a paycheck too, um, and you know, just the satisfaction that

I got through that scene. I'm so proud of myself. I'm done with these bad relationships. My last one, it was done. My friends are like, why do you do this? And I'm like, I don't know. I think it's because I have ugly duckling syndrome. But I'm done. I realized, like the next guy that I with is going to accept and love me for me and be extremely proud that I like to have sex on

camera. She wants to join by all means. If not, do not stop me from doing it, because I'm not going to watch now exactly could a guy get you out of the industry? Though not at all? Right, let me give you the thing ready. This guy's got a lot of zeros in the bank. I understand you've been there before. No, no, no, this guy really cares about taking care of himself, motivated, but he also understands work life balance. Maybe he's made his money already.

It's got a great dick. I like to call it an anti Matt dick. It's solid, okay, and he's like, hey, lets you know, hey, Caitlin, on call whenever you want it, and it is some of the best sex you've ever had. And I have to go ahead, go ahead, stay goodbye to morem Though what if? What if? And again, he's not doing this for the money, He has his own money. What if he goes let me be your permanent, only fancyne partner. Yeah no, I've actually actually had a similar situation like that happened a

few months last year. Great guy, We're still friends and excreamely loaded. Um offered me everything, put it on the table and said this is all yours. I thought about it. I actually moved in with him for a month and I said, I'm sorry, I can't. I can't do it. I miss I missed them. I miss it too much, and lock her down. Now. So when you go online you see your friends doing all these cool things, you're just right. You're sitting in your mansion like,

hmm, this is fun. But okay, so she alluded to this question earlier. Let's let's ask this one. So currently, there are three factors we believe keeping women in porn, right, it'd be funny if I just reversed this and went to a Christian thing and tried to talk you out of it for the next Yeah, there's three factors there. Now we're scientologists acts. Yeah, yeah, we'd like to get you to join the Church of Scientology. Um, it's really fun. There's aliens and stuff, and

yeah, all you have to do is fuck Tom Cruise. Um. Three factors money or like, the pay, the fame, the sex. Could you rank those three which are most important to you in the porn industry? The money, the fame, the sex, the pay um the sex and then the fame is last. Okay, all right, fair enough? Yeah, they all they all kind of coordinate in one way or another. If you have a lot of money, you'll probably become famous off of it.

But I really don't care about the fame. I was having this conversation with the talent earlier, and we both are not like Lime Nite people. We like to, you know, observe the situation, you know, and be involved. But I don't like the light on me. It's just it makes me uncomfortable. I'm getting used to it because people are starting to recognize me when I go out and stuff. So the fame really is at the very bottom. It's just part of I guess the industry. I think can be

at the bottom. But can I sway you to switch the sex and the money? Because if I were to say to you, hey, I mean we did make the offer of billions of dollars potentially to step away from it, and he said no because of the sex. And then again like if I said, hey, I'll give you an office job that pays you four times the top that you're going to make in this industry, I assume you would say, now, I don't want to sit. So it would be

the sex. Sex one I was gonna I was gonna make a similar point because you had mentioned kind of, um, the opposite of what a lot of the other performers we speak to. UM, you mentioned leaving set sexually satisfied, and from from what we've heard from most people, UM, you know, a lot of the sex you have on camera is not that satisfying. UM, Like you know, I didn't mean like satisfying is like orgasmic.

To me, it's like satisfying, Like I got through that scene because some of the shit we do, or some of the positions we're in, or some of those penises, I'm like, what the fuck is this gonna happen? This is happening. Oh shit, we did it, and so that's an accomplishment. I leave like, yes, I did that. To me, it's satisfying, and there's there's there's a creative satisfaction that comes along with that too, like you were a part of something being made. You

know that's gonna be cut, that's gonna be put out. People are going to enjoy watching that. UM. I don't want to run out of time. I want to talk about your news story, but you're just such an interesting person. Let me touch on this real quick. Or do you shoot your own content as well I do. I just started doing it heavily. Now, is that the ultimate goal or no, to become almost your own production company? Yes, the ultimate goal for me is to definitely I've I've

already sculptured my brand and now I am just finessing it. And the ultimate goal is to not necessarily I don't know if I wanted my own production company, but just my own branch shooting. Sure, well, I I just yeah, sure, I understand. You don't want an office somewhere and yeah you have to coordinate six different shoots, but you want your own production in terms of you want to look at the final cut and go, this is

mine, this is right right? Okay? Um, your big story so silly, I know it is, and it is in It's a brilliant idea. I mean so, no, no, no, Shane is not a huge football fan, but he actually is in hate football, dude. But she wanted plenty friendly and I respect that. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, all right, we'll friends. Still she doesn't like piss though, that she'll piss on me, that's point. Yeah, you don't mind that. I like to be on the receiving end. Okay, I understand.

Um, well, Shane, you don't know this, probably, but your Las Vegas Raiders, Shane is also in Reno, so it's the closest team I would say. Um, your Las Vegas Raiders signed a quarterback name Jimmy Garoppolo, very Italian name. Uh, they call him Jimmy g. He is the most handsome quarterback probably in the history of the NFL. I mean that's what they're saying. Well, I understand you're not a football historian, but he is a pretty handsome guy, right, Yeah, he's pretty uppy.

So Caitlin Bell and a woman named Alice Little who just followed us on Twitter shout out als, it'll come on the show. Both, do you still work at the Chicken Ranch brothel? They do and there once a week every month. And what was the offer you made to Jimmy Garoppolo that has been picked up by every fucking sports outlet that is not ESPN. Basically, I offered her three sex for life it becomes to the Chicken Ranch in appreciation for joining our Raiders, who now it seems like a really fair deal.

Well, I'm actually closer to San Francisco, so well, he just signed there from the San Francisco forty nine ers. Yeah, okay, so then this is a yeah, this could actually be a source of contention for her, and I was more interested in sports, but yeah, I say go for yeah, fuck this guy, yeah, dude, yeah yeah. Well he was very famous for um he went to a Panera bread I believe it was, and he was seen kissing a porn star. Yeah, he got on a date with one. Yeah, and there was like outright yeah,

yeah, yeah, no, probably that was it. Yeah, they were worried about his gluten allergies. What the fuck are you doing there? But they made a big deal about it, and it kind of disgusted me at the time that they did this where it was like, oh my goodness, he kissed that porn star on the mouth. It's like, oh, okay, over just some fucking chicken meats at a club like stars are, like, I would actually were very very clean. I have my test with me at all times, do you guys? No? God, no, married?

Why would I I get tested once a week. Jimmy Garoppolo does two for peeds, but nothing else. They take all the orfices. So when people are here like oh they're dirty, I'm like, when's the last time you're attested? Nine times out of ten. Most people say never, or they'll say a year ago, and I'm like, how many people have you fudged since then? Without a condom? And I'm like, oh, but we're dirty, right. I just don't want to know. I just don't

ask. Um. That's you know, but it's it bothered me so much at the time, that stigma, and it's good that they're kind of picking up and running with it as more fun now. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't get any backlash. I was kind of shocked. I mean, I had some haters, like women saying shit like you know, my parents must be so proud, and you know, it's like whatever, Wow, you get a bunch of guys saying that too. I bet huh. Guys are guys are awesome. They aren't saying shit really, woh, I actually was.

I would go through so I don't really read a lot of the comments because I'm sorry, people are trolls, yeah, and they don't like to hear anything, especially something good or funny. They just want to tear you apart. And it's beginning. I would read them and it would get to me and I would, you know, think about it. I realize you

can't do that you will be so sad. So now when I see it, I take it as a badge of honor that I must be doing something so right that you took whatever you're doing out of your day to upset you. You don't even know who I am. That's always baffled me, especially about porn and sex work in general. Is and I think Matt and I have kind of dissected the issue before where it's probably has a lot to do

with people's personal trauma and baggage and stuff like that. But it always blows my mind how how people can say the most like if you just change the word stripper or porn star or whatever to file clerk or dental assistant, and you just see the absurdity and people's logic, you know, like just judging you for your job basically, you know, because you do porn, because you stripper it. It's always just baffled me. Um And and it's it's

it seems like you kind of take it and stride. You probably have really thick skin, um or just don't check it like you said, or don't check yeah, but both Now my skin is like it's like hide for sure. Do you have like advice for people getting into the industry. I know you're still even kind of still relatively new in porn, but I mean that's got to be an essential skill, right Is that something that you can learn?

Do you think? Yes? Um? You. For me, the way I learned it was at first you need to read through them and you have to soak it in because you're going to realize that you're seriously going to keep coming. It's going to keep coming, and that that it's a good thing that you're making traction some way. Um. Like I said, these people are being affected by you by not even knowing you, and you yourself,

No, you're not doing anything bad. So as long as you yourself know that you're not hurt anyone or doing anything maliciously mean or intentional, and you're just living your life or offering a football player free sex for life, by all means, go and do that. And if someone has something shit to say, fuck them, ignore them, or smile and say yeah,

isn't that great, or just delete them. If anyone on my social media says anything negative about me or anybody that I've worked with, they are automatically blocked. And it's that easy. Look, I don't just apply that to porn stars or sex workers or strippers. Apply that to anyone who is putting themselves out in the public, whether it be an artist, whether it be a podcaster who gets really fucking broken when he reads one bad review on an

episode. Hey, they're not all great. You just have to accept it and move on. Yeah, that was me, by the way. She looked a little in the dark on that one. I'm glad. I'm glad you told her. Yeah, yeah, she looked like I was. I was gonna, you know, end the stream everyone. Um no, But I think that's great advice for anyone. You're right, soak it in and then also consider the source. Soak it in and be like this person.

I almost feel bad for people that I'm like, now I do. I at first I was just angry, and I'm like, how I feel sorry for them? Like they're just sitting behind their computer, probably with no friends, um, no community. So they're angry and upset, and what do they do When people are angry and upset, people like to project their anger on people that are happy and successful because it makes them feel better about themselves. It's unfortunate, but the way the world is and I choose to not

be a part of it. Sure, I choose to just get in like really angry fights with people, and I need to stop that. But my thing, my new thing, has become like I ask, what have you done? That episode is terrible? Okay, you do you have a podcast? Can I listen? Yeah? Do you have the balls to do this? Your portantine was terrible? What does your dick look like? Yeah, let's go put it out there. Put it out into the world. People

that talk shit. I've even gone further. I have friends that that, you know, comment at the end of a TV show or a movie there like that ending was terrible. I go, how would you write it? What would you do differently? It may not have been great, But if I'm gonna, you know, publicly smash that was off. I hated that generally. I want to know what would you do differently? Right? Because

I'm here, I want to know too. I want to I want to perfect my skill, and I'm all up for constructive criticism, Like you can tell me that you don't like something without being a dick. Sure. Hey, hey, Kaitlin, those blue lights make your hair look a little bit weird maybe or look a little make it look not naturally make it look blue. Yeah, maybe, but your hair look blue straight up. Then maybe you'll sit back and you'll be like, m I like the blue lights,

but maybe I'll tone it down. Who knows who? Who knows. It's so great if people were constructed. But I don't think they want to give constructive credit. I think they want to try and hurt because they are miserable. People love that rise. That's like you can I can always tell when someone is waiting for that sponse, like, oh, I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna wait and wait and wait, and I always sometimes I'll respond, but I respond with like the sweetest comment,

you know, just to throw them off. They're like wait what And then I block them, you know, And we did. We did a couple episodes where we found a few in cells. The term is in cell involuntarily celibate person. These are the angry guys who sit around and call, you know, guys who are four hundred pounds with bad skin, and they'll look at Caitlin and be like what ugly pitch you know, and you're like, oh, okay, that guy. But we talked to them and We were

kind of surprised. We thought they were gonna be real mean and angry, and it just seemed like it goes back to what you said there. They had no community around them. They had no community, and it is an incredibly sad thing. So hey, in cells, any of these guys who were if you're sitting there thinking like, oh, I'm going to smash this girl and write this, think about what it's going to accomplish. She doesn't

give a shit. You look like a dick, and the community that you secretly crave deep down just is going to push you further away when you do that, you know exactly. And they want to be a part of this community because they're chiming into our into our work, which I appreciate. We meet those fans or why we do what we do not just because we love fucking on camera, but our fans are what make us. So it just makes me sad that there's people out there that don't want me to succeed,

because I feel like I want everyone to succeed. Man, the more money out there for people, the more happy will all be. Like I feel like sharing is carrying and I want you to be happy. I want you to be happy. I want it ought to be successful. And if I can help you in some way, I will. If only porn fans were as devoted to their likes as sports fans, you know, I think some are. I don't think some are fans here, No, well no, no, even the people who go and write those trolling comments. Man,

they wouldn't be there unless they were looking at it, you know. Like that's the thing, is like they're ashamed of the things they like. They're ashamed of their desires. So that's why they're saying the things. It's because they're ashamed of themselves. They don't realize that the things they want are actually okay and and and you know, they can unpack that later in their life maybe. But there's no reason to be mean unless you're just feeling bad.

You know, there's no reason to to just make another person feel bad unless you feel bad like they're because if you feel good, when another person feels bad because of something you did, it shouldn't make you feel good. If it does your psychopath, you know definitions of a psychopath. So no emotion. I think they are fans. I think they're definitely fans, and they just they're ashamed to admit it sad, but yeah, I do love.

I love those opposite ones, the ones that leave those paragraph comments about how fucking amazing you will, simps and how you you walk on water. I love you guys. You keep up the good work. Um, you guys are my favorite, Shane. Do you have any question any other questions for Caitlin today? Are they are they called simps or stands the word simp because it's like they're simple and really I think they're little angels, So I don't

know age call of ages, ages, ladies and gentlemen. We had on Caitlin Bell today, Caitlyn Bell. You can find her on Instagram at Official Caitlin Bell, on Twitter Latina Bell XO XO. On only Fans, go pay for it Caitlyn is Naughty and check out Caitlin bellvip dot com, where I'm sure the brand is just going to be building bigger and bigger on that website going forward, right, Is that where we're going to produce content eventually

down the line. Yeah, I started that website when I first joined form. I just haven't like now I'm integrating everything into that makes sense. It takes time to build a masterpiece. It does, Caitlyn, thank you very much for joining us today. Thank you. It's an absolute pressure and I hope you guys have great rest of your week. Thank you for your worst friend. I'm Matt, I'm Shane. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. Bye. Thanks for listening to your worst friend going deeper.