You're listening to your worst friend going deeper. You're listening to your worst friend with Shane and Matt going Deeper. Today, I'm joined by my friend and co host Shane Hi and a very special guest, the number one returning guest, the only returning guest we've ever had on the show to this point. Um, let me give a little backstory. Then I'm going to introduce her, and then we're gonna plug her. Not in the way you would hope, not in the way I would hope, but it's not the Yeah.
No. Um. So, the first season we got to do the show, and basically I'm going everywhere I can to try and find some level of porn star or porn creator or whatever. We've got some major names. We've got Sarah j was on that season. We got Rebel Lynn was on that season. And then as I'm going through Reddit, I find a performer from one of the better amateur sites I've ever seen, which was at the time, Texas boukaki dot com. And I see that this performer is on Reddit
and promoting herself and whatever. I'm like, oh shit, I don't know if she's the biggest name to put on this, but I need to get this person on and talk about this site in her experience shooting it and whatever. So we finished the season, we put it up. I mean immediately, this girl, her video on YouTube, on X videos, on everything else is surpassing all of the people. Sarah Jay again at the time had five million followers on Instagram, and this girl beat Sarah Jay by like fivefold
in terms of views. Because I think she's adorable. One. She's a great performer too. She's interesting to listen to, especially if you just see a clip of it, you're gonna be like, oh wow, I want to hear this chicktok. So out of all the offers we've had of other girls to come back on and you know, catch up on their life and this and that, this is the first person that I've been like, you know what, Yes, let's let's have her back on. Let's consider it.
I'm going out of my way to ask her to come back on. Ladies and gentlemen with us today. Kat Karma Orgasmic, I don't back by popular demand. Back by popular demand. You can find Kat Karma Orgasmic on Instagram for now until it gets booted again. Because she's got a nasty habit of posting stuff that crosses the line at kat karma oo and that's the letter. Oh correct, cat yep okay kat karma oo on Twitter at kitty kat Karma two on only fans kat Karma orgasmic. Now we're going to delve into
that a little too. But what I love is she's not the type that you sign up for only fans and then every other post is a twenty five dollar post or a thirty dollars post or this and that, Oh would you like to see me naked? Here? This is going to cost you five bucks. You sign up for cats only fans and it's just right off the bat boom. You know, got everything? This is it. She's bearing all. And if you want to get individual videos, go to many VIDs
and search cat karma. You'll see her. I googled it to cat Karma orgasmic. Google will take you to it. Ladies and gentlemen, cat Karma orgasmccat. How are you today? Great? How are you not? Bad? Whirlwind year and a half me finding you on fucking Reddit and begging you to come on you having X amount of followers and a few videos and whatever? Cut two a year and a half. We've talked to some of the
biggest names in the industry. I've been talked to by PR agents telling me that we can definitely probably get our podcast nominated for a v AN Award next year. And you are just blowing up all over Twitter. You're shooting with bigger names. Right. What's it been like in the last year and a half? Oh my gosh, it feels like three years. Like it feels like way longer than a year and a half to me. Been so busy and it's like NonStop. Yeah, sure, So what goes into that?
I mean, did you just so again? I should have really went back and listened to an original interview. But was this your job job at the time when we originally talked to you back in like December of what twenty one minute? Still just a hobby? Was it more of a hobby? Yeah? I think I had like just quit my job. Okay, Like I was doing this as like a hobby for like two years and then yeah, I think I had just quit. So how long into quitting that job or
maybe at the time and it did it? When did you surpass your income from the other job? When were you like, shit, man, I'm losing money going to this job. I could be mega more of I'm just pushing out content more often. Was it then right then and there? Yeah, it definitely happened around a year and a half. I mean it was really before that, and I was just like nervous to quit my job. Yeah. It's a big, big step, a big commitment. In a
lot of times, people have been at a job for a while. So it's like you're throwing away what is it the phrase burning a bridge, right, It's like you're yeah, you're giving up like benefits and relationships and security. Yeah, so that's a huge step, even if you're making more money. Yeah, exactly, And you never know, there's always it's always risky no matter what job you do. I told myself that all the time, Like, no matter what job you're working, it's not like guarantee that you're
going to keep your job. So yeah, it was a big risk though, and also the fact that like your employers will probably find out eventually and they're all going to become fans. Yeah yeah, hey maybe, but I probably won't be able to go back to that job that. Yeah, I've been doing that job for a long time. What's it like, was it a Jewish daycare center? Like, why are you not going to be able to go back to it? You know, No, it was it was
actually just like hospitality. I was in sales and also like managing and employees. So I think that does become an issue for some employers, totally. Yeah, yeah, the guy finds out. Yeah, it's a shame too. One of the first girls we talked to was Gauge. Engage was a very famous born star, very famous back in the mid two thousands. She left the industry. She went to school. She got her degree for like, not a social worker. It was something in the medical field actually,
like it was the bottomy. Yeah, yeah, it was. She was working in a hospital and then she got the thing where her employers started like, you know, showing her, Hey, checked this out. Look I found a picture you taking it in the ass? Isn't that funny? That's pretty rude, yeah, dude, And she had to eventually quit that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's see that's crossed as a line.
See. Yeah, I thought I thought it funny when she said if a guy finds out, because I think women are just as likely to do that, right, you know, like, yeah, did she jealous, Caddy. Women can do shit like that too. It's just such such a rude thing because I can't imagine going on someone's Instagram and finding a picture them like at church or hunting or on an ATV or doing anything recreationally and then being
like, hey, look at this. You're a piece of shit for it, you know, yeah, I mean yeah, some people I think are bored with their own lives. You know. As I say that, though, let me play a little Devil's advocate, because I wouldn't ever harass somebody
about it. But like, if I'm working with Kat at some hospitality thing or something and I know what she does or whatever, I desperately and I have the couth to not do it, but I desperately want to be like Sty's shooting something this weekend, Like I'm not calling it out to the office, and be like, by the way, Cat's gonna need to leave a
little early on Friday because she's got to ice herself down. But but but I understand why women wouldn't want it acknowledged at all in a workspace other than the industry, because you know, maybe they don't, but I would so desperately the same way like if you saw a girl that you knew from high school naked, where you would kind of want to be like, even if she wasn't that hot, you'd want to be like, oh god, I want to see more of that, the factor of knowing that person, you
know, in that kind of Wow. I really sound creepy with this, in that intimate way where I want to engage with them and I don't want to do anything. I don't need to fuck them, I don't need to do any of that stuff, but I do want to like delve into their brain and be like, oh god, what were you thinking during this scene? And you can't do that for hours, which is right. I don't know why you seem a little more open, like if someone questioned you on
that, you might be like, that's what someone come to me. I asked me, be like, is this like you? Instead of being like, yo, this bitch is getting DPD on the weekend, I'd rather someone me and after that's like way cooler to me. Just yeah, confront me about it instead of making it all weird and talking behind my back. And then there's this weird vibe because that definitely happened really oh yeah, yeah,
Like how like how did was it managers or was it like really? Yeah, it was like an employee from another department, a guy I think he saw one of my videos and was he like told my boss and then he told him that I was like filming in our hotel rooms or something like that, and like I never did that ever at any point, so I just they couldn't ever like get me for anything. So it wasn't until after I quit that job somehow I found out that that had happened, and I was
like, that explains the weird fucking vibes. Ah for sure. Wait a minute, this brings up a really interesting, not at all really related to any of your industry work question, put more of a hotel question. Yeah, did you ever have situations where it was just blatantly obvious that someone was going to be shooting porn? And then what is like what's protocol on that?
Or you know, like like what if you know, one chick is walking in with like seven dudes and then another two nerves you guys carrying lighting equipment? Are you kind of like, well, this is just normal is how things work? See? That actually never happened, but I did definitely like see some sales happen ob Yeah, um, you know, like the maintenance guy will like go in a room and he's come out and be like, there's camera set up in that hot room those Yeah, is there is
there policy behind that? Do you have to like do anything? No, it's just like you rented this room, take it, Yeah, I mean yeah, unless you're trying to film out in the public space anything. It's not like the rooms branded right, Like, it's not like they have big signs everywhere like whatever holiday in, right, It's kind of non non descript. It's discreet. So I think that, yeah, just let let him beat. But but you got accused specifically of using the rooms of a hotel
you worked at. Is that what the accusation was? Yeah, like that brand that chain. Okay, but they couldn't. So that's cool though. That so you didn't find out about it until you left, So that means that your employers did the right thing. That means they they took this person's complaint and they were like, look, dude, you know, even if she is sucking in these rooms, she's probably renting them. We can't we
don't have any proof that she's yeah, exactly exactly. So yeah, so yeah, no need to h to name the company or anything, but shout out to the HR department for not making you into a bad guy or a victim or something. Sure, yeah, they definitely gave me some shitty treatment though. Oh never mind, Yeah, yeah, fuck them. Uh no, I mean I already burned that bridge, but I hate to burn bridges. Now here's the question. Do you still use do you still use that
chain to shoot your current videos? Or have we moved on to a higher class or depending upon the set, maybe a lower class if that's lower class? Oh wow, okay, I prefer that. I prefer that personally. Casinos are fun. There you go, there you go. Um, all right, so in the last year and a half, what have we done that you let me ask, in the last year and a half, what is the work you've done that you're most proud of? Uh? In terms of something you shot, maybe something new you tried. Um, has there
been any scenes? I notice you've been doing what seems like a lot more collaborations with people, it seems. Yeah, So now do they reach out to you? Do you reach out to them? How does that work? Uh? Well so far? Sorry? No, at least go ahead, I keep choking myself with my babypen Normally, I think all the scenes I did last year were they reached out to me, like to us right, um, but yeah, I think that those are my most proud Like last year was just so busy. I think I'm proud of the volume of work
that I produced last year. Sure. Honestly, I was just kind of reviewing the year, you know, because it was the beginning of the year, and I was like, Damn, we've been so busy. There are so many gang bang videos specifically and like full length videos on my page, and yeah, I mean just the amount of scenes I'm proud of, you know. That's That's what I meant to ask about. With your collaborations, I see you do a lot of these gang bangs. Seems like all your
collabs are with a lot of dudes. Do you do you collaborate with other women at all? Or is it just just dudes? It's actually girls who and then we just invite all the dudes? True? Got it? So are you are you into girls as well? Cat or no? Yes? Yeah, I think bisexual. I am. I've always been weird about labels, like my whole life, but I would say I'm by Okay, when was this I gets real into like stern territory. What was your first experience
with a girl? Was it when you were younger? Was it like college? Was it like arm o'clock working at a hotel somewhere and that's why you should be in trouble or like where? Way before that? Okay, I was very young, probably too young, I don't know. Yeah, so young. Cat was nine, the woman was forty six. No, no, it was just I've always yeah, I think I started experimenting with girls
first, Okay, from like the age that you go have sleepovers. Sure, yeah, that's how I've heard it happen to a lot, especially like my wife is probably would brand herself as bisexual most likely. I think she actually might be more of a lesbian if we're being honest. But that might just speak to my inadequacies in lifectrum. Yeah, sure, it's a spectrum,
and she thinks I'm on a different spectrum. So that's probably why she doesn't she doesn't love me, but um yeah she does, But um yeah, I think that's you know, I feel I would love to know the percentage of women who are like experimenting when they're younger in either middle school. I think everyone does it probably are Yeah, well, if it's if it's a if it's a self experimentation, you're right, it's definitely a one hundred
percent. But the to the sleepover thing, like I think you that doesn't determine whether you come out and buy um, but I think it can you know, help you figure it out sooner because like from for instance, my wife was not allowed to ever have a sleepover for her whole life, so like that was like a rule that she was forbidden, like from going and sleeping in other kids houses. It's like over productive type thing. But because of that, she was denied the experience of ever being able to but she
still turned out, you know, pretty pretty much a lesbian too. So it's it's not like going to sleepovers or getting your your your clit diddled, you know, you know a little bit earlier, you know, makes it makes you turn out one way or the other in terms of your preferences. I think that's just like probably pretty ingrained in you from the beginning. Yeah, I personally think everyone could be on the spectrum a little bit as far as sexuality, Like oh yeah, I'm okay, that's just my opinion.
No, I think that's fair. I think that's probably fair. Not me, like I'm some like straight majo do. But yeah, no, sure, I get to other people and stuff. I'm just kidding. Well. And then one of the other things we talked about last time we spoke to you was the mainstream videos. Right, so again you had shot four scenes for Texas Bukaki dot Com, which always end it real beautifully. I think through doing this I've learned I have a bit of a come fetish, whether
it's facial swallowing or whatever. I'm a fan of it. So obviously getting to talk to you, I was like, it's great, this is cool. Cheko understands me what I But then as we were talking about it, you were offered I remember at the time, now see this is my memory because I did not go and do this. And there's a couple of times, you know, when I'll bring up other things too, that you'll be like, wow, you remembered that you were offered to shoot for the site
in Spain, Right, Yeah, you didn't remember that. Yeah, what is the name of that site? It's like so premium cocky is Yeah, So I have stayed in touch with them, have you Okay, yeah, okay, Now, Shane, you may not know those videos that is um just chicks chugging down gallons full of loads or dumping them all like a cup or something, I mean fucking in a in a small kiddie pool basically when you see the amount of these things. So it's like, it's like that.
Remember that old viral video literally Drowned by semen I think it was the title maybe probably like it was like one of those videos where guys like hooked up to a funnel and they are they're like they're drowning and semen um. It's self explanatory. Now I don't remember that one personally, but yeah, maybe, I mean sure I can picture it once you've described it so beautifully.
Yes, okay, So it's it's something like that where that the focus is on the comical amounts of seamen going onto someone's face or in their mouth. Okay, I get it. I like it. Okay. So we're still in contact with them now again, You've been so successful with your own only Fans brand, right that it seems like and what we've learned after talking to girls for all this time is that so many girls in the mainstream don't even really care about the mainstream shoots. It's a great advertisement for them,
that's it. It's a great advertisement for their only fans. They're going they're shooting a scene they're making about two grand who gives a shit and then plastered across the top of browsers, which gets fifty million hits a day. They get their face and someone goes, well, I need to go find out who this is. So it's really pretty amazing that you have built this brand for yourself, gathered all these followers, which I think you've done it through
good social media. Now I don't know if this is you or your husband, but at one point my timeline was like political video, cat taken loads, video of um, cute kitten like falling off of bed and then cat taking loads. Um, you shouldn't have said kitten. And then a cat taken loads. That was a really enough kitten taken loads? Yeah, yeah, here you go. Um, so how come we haven't done more in
mainstream? Was it just because you again you haven't needed to? Um, I haven't had the desire to, haven't wanted to plaster yourself up there? Or what was it? I mean a little bit of I've been so busy, fill me my hearth stuff and yeah, I mean, I guess it's not my main goal, but it is worth it's worth doing some mainstream shoots.
Mainstream shoots for sure. Sure. So do you have anything coming up that you're thinking of or are booked for or interested in or yeah, I really really want to I'm not gonna like stay the name because I just don't want to jink through things because I do want to shoot with someone this year. Oh no, is it a jinx? If I promise to edit it out, yeah that's even Yeah, absolutely, I will bliep it up and I'll put a little censor bar over your mouth. Swear to God, I
will that will happen. Okay, it's the same kind. Okay, so premium Boukoki Spain. It's the same like Booker books for them. So um, he's also thinking of booking me for Okay, yeah I know them too. Yeah. Oh, I guess we can't talk about it. Huh. That's like yeah, okay, right, whereas one I think is more like bookocky type, this is more of like gang Bang into Bokaki type. Okay, okay, yeah, So here is the other thing we're gonna end this.
We're gonna do a little social media thing at the end, and all the interviews we've had this year so far, so far we've done what three Shane for this season. So this is the fourth one. Thir is the fourth and we have a few more coming up. And one of the questions I ask is and you know, if you've seen the social media clip of this people who are now watching this video in preparation of it, you'll understand what the question was. It's, uh, where is your favorite place from
male talent to finish? Every girl we've talked to so far, Okay has said, oh my tits right, Pat? What makes you the coolest, hottest chick in the world? Who you're like, Hey, I don't care about my makeup today, plaster it? Wait? Is that a question? Yeah? I don't know. Yeah, what that was the worst? Yeah, it was. It was not word it. Well, I was trying to be funnier more than that. But yeah, most chicks seem like are not a fan of taking facials and what just sets you apart? What makes
you different from them? Where you're like you seem like you love it? Oh, I love it and I love to fallow come to. I don't think everybody likes coming their mouth. No, No, it does burn your eyes like it hurts. I know why people might not like it, but I love it sure, sure, And this is me falling deeper in love with you. So my question is, um, why does that not gross you? I mean, what is it about it that you're just like, oh, this is awesome? Is it like the texture? Do you like
the heat of it? Which sounds really gross as I say it out loud. It'd probably be hotter if you said it out loud. But um man, I don't know. I don't know what's wrong with me. Maybe it's like a mental thing. I think it's just like it's so euphoric for me because it's like I'm like getting showered with orgasm or something. I don't know. No, that makes it like the ultimate thank you for the guy.
So it's like, yeah, it's like a philosophical like thing. It's like a like you're you see like this hot, white, steamy liquid jettisoning at you, and you're like, oh my god, this is the culmination of this man's love and desire and passion, lust and yeah and energy, and it's all about to get all up into my eye socket. I get it. Yeah, it almost sounds like the other girls we've talked to are maybe a little more jaded about it, where they're like, oh, this is
just the end. I mean, this is how we finish it out. Yeah, turn away from it. So have you have you always been that way in terms of loads? Yeah? Okay. I thought they're gonna come on me and then we're gonna fuck some more and they're gonna come on me again. I'm not worried about it. Oh yeah, yeah, there you go. Okay, cool, And that's the power you have, right is? Like, so is that's like any man if he's with you, Like, that's that's how it's going to play out two or three times. Fuck?
Yeah. Well, well don't tell my wife that sometimes it's sometimes it's wrap up in time for Matt to turn over and take a rest. Now, after you apologize this, she's got to get some tips from cat, that's all. Yeah, dude, that's called that. We should call that the cat Karma Guarantee. Yeah, well it's cat Karma orgasmic. Yeah there you go. So yeah, yeah, go ahead. So that's kind of mouthie for a for a title. But we cat. We talked about this
last time. I am glad you were right on this, Like your branding has worked perfectly and it's great, but you were you were committed to not dropping that long mouthful at the end there. Huh right, you just you needed KKO. Oh shit, you should call yourself KKO. That's pretty good too. Yeah. Um how close is O to K in the alphabet l M n oh, that's pretty close. You might want to be careful with that one. Sure, uh you know, I don't know. Um. So going back when we we we talk about loads and such, Um,
did you have any bad experiences in your life with that? Or right off the bat, was it like like, no, I'm into this because I don't know Shane, if you've had the same thing, like the first time you have it. I don't know. The first chick I had that tried to swallow me and may diet. It's fine, Okay, it's not me.
It was her fault. She was a bit anyway. Um, that's when you get like the throw up all over your pubis, you know, not actual vomit vomit, but almost like did you ever have any bad experiences like that in your life where you're just like, oh, this sucks. I don't enjoy doing this in this moment. No, I've never had that kind of experience. Fortunately, Yeah, okay, good. I love him, matter of fact and adorable. She is a matt She's like, yeah, no, loads on the face, not a problem at all. Actually,
um, she knows how to sell. I've never barfed up a load on a guy's dick before. Okay, um, okay, So we talked about those of the what do we have coming up that you're really like excited for? Do you have more shoots planned in your own personal and actually, you know what, Before we do that, let me pause and let me
go back. Take me through setting up a shoot, because I've seen recently on Twitter you're actually looking for feel fear to take a drink of water anytime you're choking and you want to die, Like, don't worry about like holding it in and don't worry. I answer this question first, it's okay, you're totally fine. We're as we're as unprofessional as it can be, so just don't sweat it. Perfect upright, Um, let me say, how
up a shoot? Yeah, talk me through setting up a shoot? I would say, mostly I don't do all the work by myself, my husband and I, Like I did post that Twitter application for co performances. Sure, so my husband and I have to like sort through all that. He talks to the guys a lot, a lot, a lot um when it's a new person. We have a lot of people that we've just met. I don't know what I'm saying. We have friends that we've fucked up.
Yeah, the regular guys who we've known for several years at this point. But when we find new people, it's a long process. Sure, it's a long true. If it's no, I totally understand and respect it. I have no problem. Does your husband want to pop his head on camera real quick or no? If it's no, it's totally cool. Dude, you don't have to. I asked him if you wanted to earlier. I don't mind, all right, hop on real quick? Can I say your first name? Or no? Yeah, you can say it, Andrew,
Andrew. Nice to meet you, Andrew. Love your check hair. She's one of the coolest people we've ever talked to. She's amazing. She is, so let me ask it. And I believe we talked about this.
Did you guys initially get into this swinger lifestyle when you first met. I thought that's what it was from the conversation we first had with Kat, So No, we've actually both always been into the swinger lifestyle, and we kind of realized that about each other early on when we were getting together, and we actually really took our time getting exploring it together because we felt the real
connection and wanted to make sure relationship was based on more than that. But um, like six months in we started dabbling, and then about a year in we kind of we're in full swing with stuff we enjoy. Sure, you know, I think there's so many people who have the misconception about swinging where it's almost like and again, I'm not even playing Devil's advocate and agreeing
with it. I'm laying out the opposing opinion to it. Right, Andrew here, he's he likes being around Cat, and Cat likes being around Andrew. But they still would prefer to go to fuck other people and blah blah blah. That's not what it is at all. Right, it's you guys find a connection in Well, I'm also not going to make assumptions about what you guys do, but you guys find a connection in watching that other person
take pleasures what I would think it is right? You like watching them engage in like you know, you know they're trying something new and I at the end of the day, you both know you're going home with each other, right exactly. It's about the shared experience and I love them. I love creating a safe face, a safe space for her to be able to explore that side in and really alledge over into ledge and have fun. Sure, So do you guys have any rules or anything like that set in place?
And how important is that for swinging or being involved in swinging or is there and you don't obviously have to say any names or anything like that. Do you both at all have somebody where you're like, I just don't like that guy, or I don't like that bitch. I don't want you to go fuck that lady. Not even because of the sexual thing, but it's like I just don't want to be I don't want her around talking to me and
fucking asking me where I get my makeup and shit like that. Have you ever had those experiences where you're you're you don't like, maybe the sexual chemistry is there, but maybe you're just like, man, fuck that guy, No, thanks, not interested? Yeah, I mean definitely. Um, it's all about connection for us. So we met, we've gone out and met with people and stuff, or just they didn't the vibe wasn't right. I was gonna say no because I thought he met like like, we wouldn't
go fuck somebody separately. We play together. I kind of how we enjoy things more. Yeah, I would be upset if he was going to go have sex as some girl. I would just want to be there. There's really nobody that I like, don't fucker. I would just I would like to watch. Sure, So yeah, yeah, sure sure. So from the outside world again, it might seem like, you know, they're just
free range, let it run. But at the same time, there's a part of you where it sounds like there are rules and guidelines that you stick to. Now, say one of you, one of you is all and and if the answer is no, again, this is all preference. So
it doesn't it's totally cool. But if one, say, one of you has to travel out of town for something and then an opportunity comes up for the person the other person who's at home, are you just gonna play it where like maybe you'll wait until the other person comes home, or is there maybe a discussion to be had about it question with us, we would just wait, I just I prefer doing stuff with her. There's more about experience
in the connection between us and be able to enjoy that experience together. Sure. So it's it's not even about like, oh, man, Andrew has a chance to fuck this ten. It's like it's like, yeah, but I only really want to fuck the ten anyway if Cat's going to be there with me. Yeah, it's really that's romantic. Yeah shit, what any Christian group or anything else in the world says, that's like a very sweet
thing. Yeah, that's what That's what I was thinking. It's like, if you're if you're, if you are, if you love somebody and you're you're really into sex with that person, there's only so many things you can do before you run out of stuff to do before the idea comes up where it's like, well, what if we involved another person or what if we did like it? Just it naturally comes up eventually. If you're just really
yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. If you're really invested in your sex life and you have a really strong sex life, I I can't imagine that not coming up in conversation, and whether you choose to do it or not, that's up to you. But the idea that you would never talk about it seems unhealthy, and I think you're right, Cat, that would make you cheat on each other. The idea could make it pop in your head. But I also don't see anything wrong with people who are just
who want to be monogamous. Yeah, that's fine too. Anytime I think about, like, oh maybe we could bang this other chick blah blah, I think of and this is just me as a pessimist, I go, like what I said before, It's like yeah, But then I got to listen to this broad talk all day and like, I'm not interested in that she's mute. I don't want to get texts. Well, mute would be good too, I don't want to get texts from her. I don't want to create any drama. So personally, not my lifestyle. No judgments on
people who it is, though, but I've talked about it before. I personal preference here. I enjoy gang bang porn, but not because I like some chick getting destroyed like just you know, boom, all these guys. I like watching a chick just in ultimate pleasure, right, Like she's the center of attention, and I think you guys do a really good job of that. All the content you shoot is never just like Rat's getting wrecked in this episode and Watcher sit on a bag of cold peas to try and bring
the swelling down, which I'm sure she's probably still ahead to do. But um, is that your idea behind the kind of content you shoot? Like you want to put kat as the star of these things. And I'm in the same way. I've always enjoyed Gag bay Born, and I don't particularly enjoy the stuff where the girl's getting overwhelmed or looks uncomfortable. So I really
like creating a space for her to be able to enjoy that. And even when we shoot with other women and stuff, it's always I pride myself in creating anvitive, safe space he said, has geared towards the women they're having fun and join the experience. Sure, yeah, I mean, and you
know what that is? Such like a positive thing. And yet all these positive words you say, there are groups of people who are going to be like, oh no, there are people who are in miserable marriages for twenty years, sexless marriages, Valentine's Day and anniversary, right, and they just don't. And then they'll look at you guys and be like, oh gross,
really yeah, heathens, monsters, host states, sinners. Yeah, And at the same time, it's like, I don't know, dude, at the end of the day, when your ledgers written like, don't you want more positives in it than negatives? Like don't you want more experiences in life? Don't you want more times when you were able to enjoy being with the person you were with? Now, let me ask this as a follow
up to that. Have you guys ever shot something or dumbe something where you walk away from it at the end and you're like, and again no names, where you're like, I don't want to work that guy again. He either goes too rough, he did too much of this, he did something I didn't like, or have these And then that's not commentary on your vetting skills beforehand, but it's like, who knows, you know, you vet a guy, he seems great, and then in the moment you're a little
bit like, I don't love it. It definitely happens. Yeah, We've had in a couple of rare instances, I've had to ask people to leave mid gang bang, which is not comfortable. But most of the time I can't think of anything more uncomfortable asking a guy to leave your place mid gang bang. Yeah, Jesus, it's been like once or twice man back. Yeah, that's kind of how we've developed our regulars over time, as the people we like and we jailway and Um provided the type of environment that we
wanted. Respect they get the invite back and the other people don't. Sure, So, Kat, do you have preferences? Like again, this center of the attention is you in terms of your content that you create, But do you have preferences where you are you? Like, Man, I would love to do a collaboration with this person because I would love to watch Andrew fuck this chick, Like, and are there people you haven't been able to get to yet that you really get to sounds like scary, like you're gonna
kidnap them, throw them in a fucking trunk? But yeah, or is it more like just and not in a selfish or shitty way, But is it more like, Hey, I want to work with it, and Andrew will like it as well. Mum, I'm pretty much open at working with anyone really? Okay, all right, Yeah, I think that's fair. Andrew, is there anyone that you want to see catch? How about this? Um? I don't know if you. Again, I've been married for a long time, have great sex life. I've never had the need for
porn and yet I have the ultimate love for it. Um. Is there any mainstream formers? And here's what we're gonna do, ladies and gentlemen. This is called the magic of cutting out for social media clips later on and then tagging these ladies on Twitter. Andrew, is there anyone that you would want to see cat work with, like in the mainstream? Do you know any names or anything that you'd want to see cat work with? Whether male talent, female talent, anything like that. Um, I mean no,
no male names come to mind off the top of my head. I mean I'd love to see hearing some shoes with some other bigger name Cornstar and I mean her and Riley Reid would look amazing together. Man, I feel like fantasy match for me. Yeah, that's a big for sure. No, right, I've I've been somewhat in contact with her trying to get her on this season, and it's been difficult. Uh, Dillian Harper. I think if anyone knows her, I think would be a good match for Kat as
well. She's adorable, little petite chick um and uh yeah. As far as male performers, I'd like to see Kat with just whoever makes her face twist in like the most crazy way, like oh my god, you know ust so again. Kind of touching back to what we talked about before, Are there any do either of you got you folks have any insecurities in and the answers probably no, But I just want to ask, anyway, any
insecurities in working with somebody? Is there any does it ever pop into your head in the same way that Shane made the case of you know, if you're with someone long enough, it's gonna pop into your head, like boy, I'd like to see her with somebody else or whatever. Is there ever any insecurity that pops in your head where you're like, man, I hope Andrew doesn't like how big this chick's tits are or cheese. I hope Kat doesn't see this dick and just think lesser of me, you know again,
I'm just wondering that question out loud. Is this ever just pop into your head? And have to avoid it or have to cut it out or whatever. I don't really, I don't have them personally. No, I mean we have a really strong connection, and um, we have really good communication about it too, which I think is crucial. I know it's crucial. Um, So it never never crosses my mind, because I mean, if you're invested in the relationship, I mean you guys, I mean, Kat,
are you gonna leave? Uh Andrew because of his dick's eye? I mean, which is solid. I've seen it, by the way, don't let's not run this guy down, Okay, I mean solid dick. I'm just thinking of one of those twelve inch wrecords I see you on like Twitter. Yeah, because I mean, like, I mean, well, well we'll skip the the you know, beating around the bush. I've never heard anybody say realistically, oh no, like we were together for years, but
I just decided to leave because I saw a bigger dick once. Like It's it's a really unrealistic um insecurity. And it's like once you've developed the relationship, which like you guys seem to really you must have done. Um, you have so much faith in your connection, you know that that other person it's like, well, yeah, like even if she really did enjoy that dick, it's like, well, I mean, what about all the times we watched She Go Kochi on Netflix? Is that's the name of the show
with the dancing cat. I don't know what you're talking about, but I understand that death No Death Note was solid. I didn't watch the anime. I watched the live action one, but it was solid. You know what. I liked Invincible on t That was a good American anime type of thing where it was like good, So it was great. It was really good. Um yeah, I just I don't know. I've heard it broken down
in the same way before. It's like, when you find somebody you love, you should be with them and want to be with them, and if you choose the married, get married to them, because what are you going to do find the exact person. But with bigger tits like right, you're not going to find that exact person. So if you find someone you love and you love being around and love interacting with and they make you laugh or they make you happy, stick with it. You don't buy into it.
Um all right, We're gonna wrap up here in a few minutes. Shane. It's become a staple, and you've pretty much asked it in every interview at this point. I'm sure we asked it the cat at the time, but if you could just reiterate your question, I've described many of my own day I don't know that's why we asked the question I have. I have other fetishes too, It's just that this is the one that we we fixate
on because I think it's like the most taboo one that I'm into. But you know what, and because I am the polar opposite in what I enjoy, I think so I think I enjoy a lot and a lot of stuff that you don't enjoy. I think that. No, no, no, I think this question. Let's not argue about it. Well, hey, Kat, do you like piss? I don't do that. It's a winner, yep, I remember, I remember that from the first time. I'm pretty sure I did ask that question. And that's fine. It's not everyone's
preference. I like it me. I get asked that question a lot. She was trying to talk me into doing a piss shoot just the other day, just because she thought it would be fun for fans. But it's not her thing. I like, no, I'm not gonna say I like this. There you go see this is why she rules. Um. So one last question in terms of this, So you put out this application on Twitter and I guess how has the response been? Pretty good? Yeah? A
lot through? Sure? Now what is the reason behind Is it just you want to add new talent to the pool, You want to have people to go back to. Is it do you currently have a stable of people that you stick to for shooting and and now you want to add new fresh blood that mix it in with the old group. Are you tired of the old group? Did you move far away from the old group? What is what's the idea behind it? Oh, I'm not tired of the old group.
I'm trying to make a bigger group. I want to eventually have like a massive scene Okay, massive wow? Okay, Oh like okay, and this is like a then this is one hundred guys, Okay. I mean that's the goal, that's the vision. So it's going to take some time to build, for sure. So they're they're participating, They're they're that's cat taking a one hundred, not one hundred all circle around jack in or watching or whatever. One hundred one after the other. Yeah, I mean I mightn't
buy you know, a couple of other girls. My vision would be like myself and a couple other girls and we just get all our holes fucked by hundred guys, and then the guys will be in line like waiting their turn, and I would imagine some of them will probably just like, come on, where they even fuck me? Probably? Yeah, they won't be able to contain themselves. Yeah, I have a favorite performer that you work with? Um? Occasionally? Do you have and it's no degradation to numbers two
through whatever female performers you work with. Do you have a current favorite number one person you enjoy working with and collaborating with or no? Oh, I've had so much fun with collaborating with everyone. I'm really excited about my upcoming collab with Lupe and Mitscha. It's a swinger couple. Okay, but you're probably referring to I would guess Maths because I've shot with her a couple times
now, So yes, I am, okay, all right. I worry about bringing up names because I don't want it to be like, don't bring up I don't like her? Fuck her? She didn't? Um? I like her because you guys have a very similar look. You're a little more curvy, she's a little more like stick figure. I'm a cat guy exactly. Yes, it's like God crafted you differently. She was a content creator
I forgot. I reached out to her initially because I scooled and I saw her on Twitter and she I was like, that girl looks like me. I actually thought it was a picture of me, and that's what I thought. I think. I was like, wait, that's a different girl. I'd like her. There you go. I think that's awesome. So I mean, does she run a similar ship in the way you run it? Like does she have in terms of like when you're collaborating with her, does
she have specific people she's working with? Is she trusting the people that you're working with and you're bringing in the guys in that sense? Or how does that work? How does that like negotiation the business side of that work. You know, if like she comes to shoot with us, she shoots with art guys, and then we went and shot with her one time and she's at that scene up. Okay, okay, cool, cool? Um,
Well, look, I don't have any more questions. Do you have any more questions for catching I just wanted to ask, like, when you when you're setting up these scenes, like, is there a limit to how far you'll travel? Is it? Is it based on what your potential take could be? Or is it just like, hey, um you you you met a creator there on the other side of the country. But you like their look, you like the vibe, you really want to shoot content will make
it happen? How do you do it? Yeah? I would probably just depend on everything. It's it's more like the last one. If we meet someone we really want to collab with, we're willing to travel to them, especially if they're shooting similar type of content. Um as to what we like to do. Both of our stuff we set up locally and stuff with our regulars and stuff. But if we meet someone we really want to work with,
we are willing to travel for it. Okay, now here's the thing I remember, and we'll end it on this and if you want me to cut it out, I'll cut it out. How's the evil step mom? Oh, she's a bitch. Never talk to her, ladies and gentlemen. We were joined today by Kat Karma Orgasmic. You can find her on Instagram at kat Karma Oo the letter oh, not the number oh. On Twitter
Kitty Kat Karma two only fans go sign up. She's got like four thousand pictures on there and like four hundred or five hundred videos like you will never run out of content, and yet somehow I have because I've just gone through it all. But her only fans is Cat Karma orgasmic and on many VIDs. Go check her out at Kat Karma Kat. The other thing I under see I respect this about Kat's business acumen too, where it's almost like she's
got her only fans push it towards it. Blah blah blah. Now what I will say is personally again, last time I give you the advice is to drop the orgasmic and that didn't work out. So here's the other thing I'll say. Cut up some of those clips and get them all many bids. Man, make yourself funny. You're doing this, work for it. You deserve it, all right. You are seemed like a very sweet, kind person. You have a wonderful, beautiful relationship with Andrew. Here.
You guys make your own content. You are your own bosses. I don't know what Andrew does. Maybe he does an also job as well. But in this sense, you are your own bosses. I'd guess construction. He looks like, are you a construction guy? Are you a cool construction guy? I was a personal trainer full time and then I only do that part time now with some clients I've had for a long time and stuff, I've had to redract more energy towards what we do because we were leaving too much
money out on the table by not doing that exactly. But and how great is it being your own bosses? Right? I don't know. I fucking hate my day job, so I just you know, but yes, just go money, And anyone listening or watching this right now, go spend money. Don't be fucking cheap. This chick rules. She provides so much good content that you need to drive towards it. So her only fans again is
Kat Karma orgasmic. All these links are in the episode description. Kat, thank you very much for joining us, say Andrew as well, thank you very much for joining us today. Oh that's okay, I want to at the end. Sure, I thought I thought you were the whole time. That's what I've been staring at. Beautiful, wonderful um for your worst friend. I'm Matt, I'm Shane. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. Thanks for listening to your worst friend going