¶ Sexual Addiction and Recovery Testimonies
Hello , hello , and welcome back to God's Diamonds in the Rough . We are so glad to be before you . Amen , I hope all is well . I hope you're having a good day . Amen , michael is not here , and so we're going to do it anyhow . You heard me , but I do have a guest with me today , y'all .
His name is logan off upford , and we're gonna be talking about probably for most of the , it's gonna be a sensitive topic , but we're gonna focus more on what god got out of it rather than anything else . Amen , that's what we , what we're going to do , hallelujah , we're going to go ahead and pray y'all before we get into the conversation .
So , father , we thank you so much for your grace and your mercy . Father , I just love your sense of humor . I tell you what I just pray , god , in the name of Jesus , that your glory and your will will be done here .
I pray that you will touch our show today , praying that you would touch Logan , touch myself , touch every diamond that is here , that we would all be blessed by what we receive . I pray the blessings of the Lord be upon everyone that you would just have your way . In Jesus Christ's name , we do pray , amen , amen , hallelujah . So here he is , logangan .
Please say hello to everybody how you doing .
Thank you so much for for giving me the opportunity to dive in with you .
Yes , sir , uh , you seen that it's like I was playing my old . It was an old um , our old jingle from about two seasons ago . That threw me off there for a second , but anyway , all right y'all , katherine's back , katherine's back . So today we're going to be talking about sex , sexual addiction .
Right , that's , that's your um area of expertise right , lo , logan , it'd be real awkward if I said , no , I'm here to talk about something else .
Yeah , okay . So , um , that's the subject at hand , and so if you have children in the room and you don't want to hear this conversation , we understand 100% . You might want to , um , tell them to exit the room .
It's not going to be that bad , though I I feel like and y'all know how I am , for those of you that listen all the time I'm , uh , I love to to speak to truth . Amen , um , to whatever degree the lord takes us , uh not being , you know , unholy about it . We want to keep things in good order .
Yeah , so , logan , would you please tell us a little bit about yourself ?
Logan Huffle . I'm no longer in bondage to sexual addiction , and that is there's so much packed into that statement , Because it applies clearly what my past was . I was in bondage to sexual addiction , but at the same time , I'm not trapped in that cave anymore . I am not held by those things anymore .
I could choose to go back to sin , and I know that Ever that , out of perspective , I could go back to sin , just like we saw countless people in the Bible do , just like we've seen countless people in our lives do that Right .
But God has freed me from that muscle memory where I just not truly automatically , but almost automatically , you know which is was just in this constant churn of destructive habits and destructive mindsets and my lifestyle was just all just a series of unhealthy choices , Right , and it's been eight plus years of active recovery for myself .
And then my wife has been in active recovery for eight years Next month will be eight years for her for healing from sexual betrayal trauma . You know from me being sexually unfaithful and and you know this manipulative , emotionally abusive husband . You know that I was for so many years . Um , so I I'm just right now .
I mean , I've been given back locally with groups and mentoring men , just like men , you know , worked with me and right now I'm in a season where I'm still doing that , but also seeking to give back , just on a bigger scale of just , you know , trying to reach anyone who might , might need to know that they're not alone , you know , in in sexual sin , sexual
bondage , sexual sexual addiction or maybe , you know , maybe some other unhealthy lifestyle . Maybe it's not necessarily the same thing that I had , but Satan wants us to be trapped , thinking that we're the only ones that have done things this bad right , we're the only ones that have crossed this line .
There's no healing , there's no forgiveness Because that's Catherine , that's where I was for so many years was like healing . There's no forgiveness because that's katherine , that's where I was for so many years was like god , god died , jesus died for our sins , but maybe my sins are too evil . That's that's how I felt for a lot of years .
Right so , without going into too much graphic detail , what , what things would you call sexual addiction ? What kind of things ? And I just asked you that so that , um , somebody who's unaware that they are in it will be able to identify that they are for sure .
And so one thing that I mean I want to be respectful of , you know , this is your show . I'm here , I'm here in your house right now , so to speak .
Right , um , you know , but speaking to your audience in terms of you know , kind of that , that warning , that that sort of uh , you know , might might be a good idea to to take the kids out , that kind of thing , and I would just say this I mean , um , if there's nothing that I will say , at least there's nothing , I'm gonna say that that I think would
would be inappropriate for you to have a conversation with your kids about . So I'll put it that way . So you know you , you might choose to . You know , if you've got a , you know if there are six , okay , maybe not , but if you've got a 10 year old kid , you got a 12 year old kid . You know . I would actually say , feel free .
I mean anyone listening , you're your own parent , right , you're , you are yourself , but feel free to maybe to bring that kid in If you're willing to have a conversation about what . What is porn and why is it dangerous ? You know what is sexual sin , what is lust ? I'm absolutely not going to get into nitty gritty details . I'm not going to be sharing stuff .
You know that that way . But you know that verbiage , you know porn , lust , sexual sin , that is stuff . Of course the Bible touches on many , many times and of course I can promise you , if we are not talking to our kids about those things , their friends are going to talk to them about it .
Right , they're going to learn about it on TV , on YouTube and wherever else , right , yeah . So sexual addiction . I mean one thing I always emphasize is sexual addiction . It's not , it's not necessarily an addiction to sex or sexual behaviors . I will , I'll speak for myself now .
I mean , I know a lot of folks in recovery specifically in this , in this field , and a lot of really , really good authors and experts although I kind of hate that term , but you know experts in this field that I would get from sexual deviancy , so that could include porn , inappropriate conversations with women , voyeurism , absolutely sexual behaviors with other people ,
um , masturbation , all of that is wrapped in sexual addiction . But so much of the high that I would chase and then feeling that hit of like , okay , I'm getting close , okay , there's a , there's a response from that person , I'm getting a text back from that that woman . You know that I'm texting .
All of those things would give those dopamine hits to my brain . Of course , I had no idea how that worked back you in my teen years and in my early 20 , until I was into recovery , understanding how the brain works and how .
You know , when I compare it to an addiction to a substance like heroin , like cocaine , like alcohol , like that's not just a metaphor I mean a lot of the same chemical things are happening .
And , in fact , in some cases , the chemical reactions that are going on in my brain in certain ways , where it's stronger as a porn addict than a cocaine addict in terms of some of some of the chemicals that are released in the brain and some of the damage that gets created over years of on pornography use .
So what I'm hearing correct me if I'm wrong um , to kind of put it in layman terms , is that the act is more like a , it becomes like a source of life , and this is how it becomes an addiction . It becomes a source of life , and if you don't have it , then you feel like you're dead .
Um , and as you said , uh , you , I mean that's in anything , whether it's pornography , video games , video games , drugs , alcohol , whatever . It is that thing that makes you feel alive , and so would you agree with that , that layman term ?
Pretty much the one thing and this is not me pushing . I think that's true of a lot of folks Exactly word for word what you said . This is not me like pushing . I think that's that's true of a lot of folks , exactly Word for word .
You said the one thing that I would push back on , for myself at least , because again , I try to speak from my personal perspective more than anything .
¶ Journey Toward Sexual Addiction Recovery
Um it , it wasn't necessarily that like , okay , in my addiction I felt alive and then out of my addiction I felt dead . Or , if I wasn't acting out , it was this was my , this was my MO , this was how I trained myself to live , this was how I trained myself to interact with the world around me .
So it wasn't that like if I stopped cause I would have , uh , days , or sometimes months in between sexually acting out , whether that was again pornography or affairs . Um , was I a healthy person in between ? No , I mean the term dry drunk is used a lot of times for alcoholism , and it's the same thing here . Like I still had the same struggles with anger .
I had the same struggles with selfishness and internal lust , even if I wasn't manifesting it externally . But , like I , it wasn't that , yeah , that I didn't feel alive like I . It wasn't that , yeah , that I didn't feel alive . It was the way that I primarily knew how to deal with other people was through the lens of being a sex addict .
So if I interacted with a woman , I primarily interacted with that woman as a sex addict . Yeah , and and so it was . I always say like it wasn't automatic , but it felt automatic . You know , I liken it to like being on .
You know , being trapped in a self-driving car , driving down a highway and I feel like I can't control the car , I can't stop it , I can't do anything because the car is driving . And then , in recovery , you know , god used recovery and a lot of people around me and my recovery process to basically slow that down .
And then it's almost like a , you know , being a football player in a film session .
Like God , god allowed me to kind of watch the film and go hey , not only Logan , not only are you driving that car , the car's not driving you , you're driving the car , even though it felt like the car was driving you , but also there's all these off ramps that you could take , there's all these opportunities to stop the car , get out of the car , choose a
different road . But like when I was in my addiction , it didn't feel as if there were off ramps , it didn't feel as if there were opportunities to stop the car . So it's this tricky balance where I don't ever blame Now this can ruffle some feathers I don't ever blame the disease of addiction . I don't buy that verbiage .
I believe addiction is real , but it doesn't happen to me . I was not born as an addict . I didn't catch addiction . I didn't get . I was not born as an addict . I didn't catch addiction . I didn't get addiction . I created my own addiction . Now , I think we're born with tendencies and people are born with different traits and stuff like that .
But I trained myself to become that person and so , on one hand , I take complete ownership over my choices and yet it also true that it it did feel eventually as if these are my only choices . It kind of felt like , well , this is just how I operate and I don't know a different way , because it's a tricky balance .
But but I do emphasize , like my addiction didn't hurt people , I hurt people . The porn industry didn't hurt people . I heard . Well , I mean , it did . But like the porn industry didn't cause me to go hurt people , I hurt people . The porn industry didn't hurt people , I heard .
Well , I mean it did , but , like the porn industry didn't cause me to go hurt people . I hurt people because of my choices , right so what was your turnaround ?
how did you go from what you were or what you were doing to to what happened , to make you pivot the other direction , the big ?
big momentum shift and in some ways , I mean it was like turning around a barge . It was not a quick thing , like there was definitely there was a singular moment where it started , but it was a slow turn . So in the summer of 2015 , end of July or the start of August , I had had another affair and I had confessed affairs to my wife .
Um , so at that point , the the summer of 2015 , my wife Carrie and I had been married now for four years and we already had three boys and she was pregnant with our fourth boy . So I'm living I mean , I'm living this whole double , terrible , awful life as a dad , as a husband , you know , know , and I had confessed .
Usually , every time I would have another sexual affair , I would confess to her because I feel bad and I , you know , want to get it off my chest . And so there's a lot of selfishness there , right , not not healthy repentance , but just confession for the sake of confession . And she's in survival mode .
She's a young mom , she's trying to figure out life as a young mom , let alone her husband hitting her with all this crap day after day right and so you know she'd get these confessions . She's get these confessions . You have no idea what to do .
Right , and then , finally , I had another affair and she gave me an ultimatum if you don't get serious help , you have another affair like I'm gone , you're gonna lose me , you're're gonna lose the kids .
Um , and I , I still didn't get healthy right away , I didn't get sober right away , I didn't have another sexual affair , but , I mean , porn was still a struggle throughout the next almost year . Um , my sobriety dates May 19th 2016 . And so this was , you know , july or August of 15 . Um , but that was when god put .
You know , that was the first landmark where god allowed carrie to have the strength to stand up to me and say I can't stop you from abusing me , but if you continue to abuse me , there will be changes . Um , and so you . So you know she was . She had some , some things , some requests , strong requests . She's like you need to start going to some meetings .
You need to do some stuff , like you've got to . There need to be some tangible things that you're doing differently . It can't just be I'll try to be better . Um , and so I tried some meetings . I I , you know put myself out there to a few different resources , but I'm skipping ahead quite a bit . I'm all of this story , um .
You know , if you are , if folks want to hear more , my Instagram is specifically for sexual addiction recovery and so I put it same with with Instagram .
I don't go graphic , I don't put you know nitty gritty stuff in there , but I mean , if you want tangible aspects of what the addiction looked like , what recovery looks like , what tools are available , you know it's , it's filled with that , um , but skipping ahead , what the , the group that God used to completely transform my life's infrastructure , was prodigals .
That a group and I'm still a part of that group . I I lead a chapter where I live now , um , for it's men for struggling with sexual addiction , centered around christ . But it also dives deep into the science of , again , how our bodies work , how my brain works , how , how can I actually retrain my brain .
The group was different for one because , while it was Christ-centered , like there's other Christ-centered recovery groups out there- Right . And I'm not saying that they're bad , but most recovery groups can be very surfacy .
Right , right right .
Even if they're centered around Christ , most recovery groups they value safety to such a degree that they end up exchanging safety for a comfort zone . Yeah , and so I can show up to the group and I can kind of share whatever's on my heart . I can share whatever I want to share , whatever makes me feel better . Sound familiar ?
That's what I did to Carrie right , like over and over . I would share what made me feel better and guys are not . In most groups guys aren't allowed to call me out of my crap , call me out on my red flags . At prodigals they could , if that's encouraged , you know , to give strong feedback and ask tough questions .
So that was a huge thing that was different about prodigals , is that ? So I mean like , yes , it's safe enough for me to be vulnerable , but guys loved me enough to lean in and press in and give me some some tough feedback . So God used a man , rick , as part of that group , to mentor me , as well as other guys part of a mentorship team .
But they mentored me for the next two plus years , two years in the program . It was like a voluntary house arrest and then mean I've just recovery's never left my life . Um , you know , part of that's for me . I mean , I don't ever want to not have accountability in my life . I can't afford like I'm a very different person than I was eight years ago .
But I would be a fool and I think the bible backs this up , I think we see examples throughout , again , throughout scripture and throughout all around us church leaders Like I would be a fool to ever have a point in my life where I don't have multiple men who know all my stuff .
I will always have men that know my stuff , that have permission to ask me questions , right , they have permission to tell me whatever they feel led to tell me . So recovery has never left my life . But I'm also , you know , I want to give back Right .
So I'm trying to lead other men and and and you know , try to give a little some hope to other men and mentor them .
Amen . So , um , have you always been a believer ? And have you always been a believer , did you find Christ in the midst of what you were going through ?
That's a really that's a complicated question for me to answer , because I've always believed in God . I mean when I say always , like I literally mean since I could probably talk , since I could read .
I mean I was raised in a family that didn't just go to church because it was like the cultural thing to do or because that's you know what my grandpa , you know , or grandma like , taught it Like no , it was , we went to church because our family lived it .
You know , my parents did a great job raising us and teaching us right from wrong and all these things . So I always believed that God was real , I always believed that Jesus died for our sins , me having a relationship with Christ , and never felt that . And then , pretty quickly , by the time I was a teenager and I'm struggling with porn .
And then I'm , you know , a young adult and I'm going beyond porn and I'm having sexual affairs and all these different things , pretty quickly it got to the point where I'm like , okay , well , I wasn't sure if I was saved when I was like 12 , I'm definitely there's no way I'm saved now , because there's no way I'd be doing this stuff if I was , if I was
saved , right . So I and and that you know , knowing my bible , like I was always reminded of , okay , well , what does the bible say ? Like satan believes that god's real , the demons believe that god's real . So , like me believing that god's real , that that doesn't prove anything , right .
¶ Journey to Freedom in Christ
Um , so the program I always emphasize , the . I got into that program for one reason try and not lose my marriage , like that was the only .
It wasn't for me to be a healthier person , it wasn't to have a relationship with Christ , it wasn't to work on my anger or anything , it was just like maybe , maybe I can possibly keep my wife and my kids around , but God used that program keep my wife and my kids around , but God used that program .
God used , you know , this process of stripping away this exoskeleton . That was my behavior , you know , for years of remolding , remaking me , my marriage , my life , and it was about two years .
So about the time that I graduated , that I started to feel like , okay , I can pray , I can talk to God , I can talk to my father , I can just have a conversation with him , because I think for so many years , prayer for me was like a 911 call , and maybe a 911 call that I didn't even mean . You know , god , I'm so sorry I did it again .
God , please forgive me and just wipe this away , and I'll never do it again . You know these big deals that I would try to make with god . The prayer was not me communing with god , because I was too dirty to commune with god . That's what I thought yeah you know , that's what I felt , it's it's been .
The last six years has been , that's been a big part of my journey is learning what it means and I and I have not figured it out but learning what it means to like seek after God's heart , you know , to seek intimacy with Christ .
I haven't figured it all , all all the things , but I mean I've been very intentional to just ask God , please help , please reveal yourself to me more and more every day . That was a really long answer . I don't know how to answer that question in a more concise way , because there wasn't a moment where on this day I was not saved and on that day I was .
I don't have that story . Well , I can definitely point to . You know , I was not living as a believer and now I know what it is to have a relationship with Christ .
Right ? Well , I ask you that because oftentimes people think that because they're saved and they can't get into any type of bondage like that , then they can't get into any type of bondage like that and they live this . They live this , this life that says you know .
You know they get caught up , get caught up in sticky situations and rather than being vulnerable with someone and , like you said , you got men around you to hold you accountable rather than getting vulnerable with you know that circle , getting vulnerable with um , you know that circle .
They will , you know , just try to paint this picture and lose their self in a form of godliness and not really have godliness . And I ask you that , to say you know . I ask you that just for the simple reason of you know you can . You can really get caught up in situations and get into things , as he's saying , um , as a believer .
That was my point , um . But as you have gotten closer and closer to Christ Logan , I'm sure you can agree the less likely , the less you're drawn to . What opposes God versus you know , pleases him .
I said less . I didn't say completely , but I said less . Okay . So I've never brought this up in a podcast before , so please bear with me for just a second . Come on , you're fine , come on .
But if you or your audience has ever heard of um so max lucado , great author , right , lots of lots of books for adults , lots of books for kids , and he's one of my favorite christian authors . But there's that book he wrote . If you've ever heard of it , I think it's called the son of the king and it's a little children's book .
It's a beautiful book and I would strongly any parent you don't have to be a parent anyone that believes in God , buy that book . It is an incredible book . It should be a part of every parent's library .
But the whole idea is like these knights that go on this mission and they've got to encounter all these , these enemy forces and do all these things , and there's like these goblins that they've got to , they got to go through and the only thing guiding them through this dark forest is like every day , their king is going to play the song on a trumpet and they
have to listen for that sound and that's that guides them through this dark forest and the goblins learn to play a version of that song , and so they have these little goblin trumpets and they play this goblin version of that song , and the only one who like makes it out is the one who , like memorized every note of it .
It knew exactly what his Keen's song was , was , so it wasn't going to be deceived by a false version . Yeah , and I'm , I'm not doing it .
I'm not doing it justice , but I mean , it's a beautiful story of of exactly , I think , what you're talking about , which is when I'm , when I grow closer to christ , when I , when I'm in his word , then I can see through the deceit , I can see through the temptation , because Satan did not tempt Eve by saying hey , would you like to cause massive destruction for
humanity ? Would you like to live in shame and sadness forever ? No , he tempted her with . Would you like to be like God ? Would you like to have this power and this knowledge ? And you know , did God say this ? Did God say that ? Is this really true ? I mean , so why would I think it'd be different for me ? Why would it ?
Why would we think it's going to be different for our kids ? For us ? Um , no , I , just I , you're , you're getting me fired up , because that's exactly correct .
That's right . I love it because you know I'm just a firm believer . We've got to go where the Spirit takes us , because I think far too often we focus on the problem and not the solution . Jesus is the solution and you know we as a people .
He wants to use us as his vessels and his instrument and if you hide your story , then how can you operate really in the fullness of God ? So don't ever hide your story , whatever your story is , and I just you know sexual addiction is one of those things you don't hear very much the church talking about .
But it's a big .
It really is a big thing when you talk about it in the darkness in regard to the church , and we need to talk about it . Even whatever , though , because paul was one of those where he I mean he's a christian martyr he still was used by god . He still will use you at the end of the day .
So , logan , my next question is what are you doing for the kingdom now , now that you have talked a little bit more about no longer in bondage ?
I mean , as I said at the start , no longer in bondage is honestly just , it's a , it's a phrase that I don't say this lightly .
I believe the Holy spirit planted in me as this is , this is a label that that this is an identity that God has given me through his identity , through , you know , being a child of Christ , no longer in bondage to sexual sin , sexual addiction . So my Instagram handle is at no longer in bondage .
Little periods in between the words , when I share my story at recovery , I used to say I'm Logan , I'm a recovering sex addict and I think early on in recovery it was very important to identify myself that way , because it wasn't that I was forever going to be an addict , it wasn't that I was forever going to be at the same spot .
But I think early on I needed to identify correctly as hey , I've got this problem , I'm concretely identifying what the problem is sexual addiction , sexual sin and I'm also identifying myself with other guys who are , who are seeking healing through Christ , through this problem .
So I I I absolutely believe that saying I am a recovering , you know , whatever addict is completely healthy , but I do think it can . There can be a time and place where I go . Let me identify myself as something else right where it .
It's not that I'm fixed or recovered like these hard past tense words where , like it can never come back because that's not life . Right , it could come back if I let it . I chase after right , um .
So I mean , and , and just going on podcasts right now , like I said earlier , I want to , as as , whatever God , whatever doors oh , god can't speak Whatever God will open up , um , I'm trying to walk through them and just share what God has done in my life and what this has looked like , you know , from a spiritual perspective , but also from a practical
perspective , because it is both things
¶ Breaking the Silence
. I can't just say I'm going to pray more for God's healing . I can't just say I'm going to read more verses about lust . Like , should I be doing those things ? Yes , but I also need to be doing tangible . Like , should I be doing those things ? Yes , but I also need to be doing tangible , concrete things .
It's like that you know the parable was like the flood and you know this guy's trapped up on his rooftop and you know a boat comes by . Can I help you ? No , no , no , I'm waiting for God . Yeah , Another boat comes by . Can I help you ? No , I'm waiting for God . Yeah , like it's both things Right , I can pray for God to rescue me .
Like it's both things right . I can pray for God to rescue me , but I also need to look for physical corrective ways to get rescued right , to get healing . So you know , whatever I like I said I'm , I'm my first and foremost .
I think my first love is always going to be local groups and working with guys face to face in my town , cause that's that's what God did for me with men like Rick , and I'm always forever grateful for that . But I do feel led to put this out there on a bigger scale because , you're right , it doesn't get talked about enough .
This is something that you can find different statistics , but if you Google how I mean literally any version of like how common is sexual addiction ?
You could say in the church , you could leave that out and just say among men the numbers are going to be between 50 and 80 percent , depending on what study you're looking at and what date and what words are part of that search . Okay , so half the dudes walking around out there struggle with porn , struggle with sexual sin to a level that gives them shame .
Yeah , so it's a common enough problem where it's affecting half , if not three quarters or more .
Right .
And yet , and here's the thing , those are the guys that admit it . Come on , those are the people that say , yes , that's right , I struggle . So how many people are not admitting it , right ?
So I mean , I , in my opinion , I think it would be foolish to say anything less than 70 to 80% of guys are struggling with porn and with sexual sin at the level that gives them shame . And yet , I mean and there are books about it , you know , there's resources out there , but not nearly to the level of the problem .
It's a very marginalized issue compared to just about any other issue that somebody can struggle , and of course , it's not just men . Again , I'm speaking from my perspective . That's right , I mean , it breaks my heart . There's a lot of women . Same thing .
The numbers are a little bit lower , but it's like 30 to 50% of women that say that they struggle with sexual addiction . Then you have my wife's story , which , again , I'm not here to preach from her mouth . She , she's not here . As far as on the podcast .
But you know sexual betrayal trauma , um , healing from sexual infidelity in a in a way that honors God and yet also is safe and healthy . You know , carrie did not stay with me Once we started to make healthy choices . She did not stay with me just to be a good , loving , submissive wife . She set up boundaries .
If you continue to live in this way , you will lose me . Of course , she had every right , every biblical right , to leave me sexual infidelity . I cheated on her multiple times . We don't want divorce for people .
We don't want our people in our groups to get divorced , but we also recognize if she's working with a woman and her husband is continually choosing sexual sin over her , okay , at some point there is a totally appropriate reason for her to make up an exit strategy if that's what needs to happen for her sake , for the kids sake . Um , again you're .
You got me preaching here , because this , I mean I , this is , this is something I'm very passionate about , um and I .
You know , one of the very first things that you made me think of when you gave the intro is you about not focusing on the graphic darkness , and I don't ever want to focus on the darkness in a way that the only time I ever want to focus on the darkness of my past is for this reason .
Past is for this reason yeah , absolutely , because if I , if I , don't look at the darkness of my past at all , then the beauty that is my current life does not shine as much .
Like all glory to god , because anything that I'm enjoying in life now relationship with christ , relationship with my family , my role as a dad , any of this it all falls apart if I forget what God took me from , so like I don't dwell in it in an unhealthy way , where it's woe is me . Oh , you know , shame is like no , but it's just gratitude , it's just .
To me it's a way of worshiping Christ , because it's I'm glorifying him for what he did , because by my own choices I don't deserve to have this life I have now . You know it's it's glory to God that I have these things . Amen .
Amen . I'm so glad that you came . I'm so glad that God worked it out for us to be able to have you on . Did you have a final thought before we go into prayer and anything else you want to share with our audience ?
Nothing , nothing that's like crazy , crazy awesome , other than just I mean I would just say , please , um , you know , if , if you can , you know , check out at no longer in bondage on Instagram .
Um , not only if you are somebody who may is struggling , or you know somebody close to you maybe you're a spouse of somebody that's struggling or you're a parent of somebody who's struggling , but even if there's no one you know of that's struggling , you don't know of anyone in your circle that's struggling . I promise you there are people .
So , if you just want to learn more about what this looks like and you know again , not not just what it looks like , and you know again , not not just what it looks like in the addiction part , but what it looks like in the comfort part , you know how do I build up a healthy infrastructure , how do I work on this stuff , how do I what sort of tools are
available ? I'm not the expert of all experts , but but I will tell you .
You know God has put a lot of incredible resources in my path , a lot of incredible people in my path , so I'm just doing what I can to you know , curate that and just share it with others , the last thing I ever want to do is hide my recovery under a bushel Right , where it's like .
I'm thankful for it , I cherish it , but I don't necessarily want other people to know about it , because it's kind of icky , because my past is kind of icky , yeah , like , yeah , my past is icky , but that's my past , that's not my life anymore . That's right amen , hallelujah .
Uh , I hope y'all got it , because that was a powerful word from the lord . Don't be ashamed of what you've been through . You had to . You had to go through what you went through in order to be who you are , and I'm just a firm believer that you know . Everything that is happening in our life has happened for a purpose , on purpose , hallelujah .
So , without further ado , logan , would you close us out with a quick prayer ?
Will do Amen . Dear Lord , I thank you so much for this opportunity to share what you have done in my life , what you've done in so many others' lives . God , I thank you for the opportunity .
I've used technology in lots of terrible ways and yet right now we're able to use technology in an incredible way to connect to believers on opposite ends of the country , to be able to connect and glorify you and talk about your love , talk about your plan and , Lord , I ask that you would use this podcast , any content that comes from this conversation , God , in
other folks' lives , to have hope . Not have hope because Logan said something . Not have hope because two humans had a great conversation , but have hope because you are revealing yourself to work miracles , to have love , to have grace , to have forgiveness .
And , Lord , I just I pray that anyone who hears these words can can not feel , as I felt as a 20 something year old , that I had done too much to be forgiven by you . I've done too much to have your love , God . I know Satan wants us to believe that lie and it is a lie . Lord , I thank you for this time .
In your name , I pray Amen , amen , amen . Thank you again , logan . We appreciate you being here . Y'all know what time it is . Until the next time , remember you are a diamond in the rough . Amen , amen . We hope that you'll be back with us on next week . So much love from us to you . Y'all have a good day .