Knowing Authentic Love w/ Glennon Doyle

about authentic love. I didn't think it existed. I tried in very different circumstances to create authentic love, and I found myself. At one point in my life in my early thirties, I was single, I know, which is shocking, and somebody was setting me up with my now husband, George Stephanopolis, and I sort of thought, you know what, I will on a date with him. It'll be like a great New Yorker article my date with George. But on paper, I didn't think it would work at all.

He was involved in politics. I hate politics. He lived in New York. I lived in l A. We were so so different that I thought, I'm just going to do this on a waim and it'll be silly because in my mind, and I think a lot of people share this, you have this idea of what authentic love looks like. And for me, authentic love was a six ft to carpenter. So I met George, and I of course wore a black suit, so I looked really smart, and I read the New York Times, even the financial section,

which I didn't understand. I don't think I shaved my legs because I didn't think it was going to end up being romantic in any way. And when I met him for lunch, I sat down at the table and we immediately started talking about what antidepressants we were on, and I just felt like I had come home. I have no other way to describe it. And when we got married, people were scratching their heads. They did not understand how the two of us had come together because

we were so different. I mean, people were making bets on how long it was going to last, and to this day, I mean, the twenty years we've been married, to kids. It is authentic love because nothing about it makes sense. So when I read my guest memoir about her journey to authentic love, I felt a real kinship with her and I'm so thrilled she's here to talk about it with me. My guest is glenn and Doyle.

She's the author of the number one New York Times bestseller Untamed, which has sold over one million copies in fewer than twenty weeks. She's also the author of the number one New York Times bestseller Love Warrior and Carry On Warrior. Glennon is a founder and president of Together Rising, and all women led nonprofit organization raising over twenty five million dollars for women, families and childre it in crisis.

I just reread Glennon's latest book, Untamed, and the greatest part of this story is that Glennon found her true love. Her authentic love came in a package that she wouldn't otherwise unwrapped, so to speak. Her authentic love shocked her, came out of nowhere, and just like my authentic love was not the idealistic image we had in our mind,

Glennon found true love with soccer superstar abbywan Back. And it is this story and how Glennan got there that has people so mesmerized and hopeful about their own lives. Hi Hi, Hi. First of all, I'm so happy to talk to you. I really am. I was talking to George early this morning. He said, are you excited to talk to Glenn And I said, you know what, I want to take a bath with her. I do, and in a very non sexual way. I want to be in a warm bath. And I just tell you all

my stories. But so the reason I'm bringing you on because I could talk to you about everything, but this particular episode is about authentic love, which you've written a lot about, and believe it or not, I've been asked a lot about it because I was set up with George Stephanopolis and we were engaged two months later, and we've been married for twenty years, and we are so different, Glennon, we could not be more different as people. And I mean the only downside was my mother was thrilled just

because you know, he was George Stephanopolus. But I know I tried really hard to rebel against all them, so you couldn't dig it to her at the end. Now now I know everybody was happy. He wants that. I know. I wanted to bring Joan Armitrating home. You know I didn't. This is not what I wanted, but I felt like I had found my person. And when I read your book, I thought, yeah, she's she's able to verbalize it better than I ever was. So let's talk about your authentic love.

Your husband was unfaithful to you, You physically and emotionally couldn't do it anymore. You were at a convention to sell your books and in walks this woman, and you knew at that second. Yeah. So it was awkward and terrible timing because the event that I was at was the first event to launch Love Warrior, right, okay, and Love Warrior was my last memoir, and it was being touted all over the place as an epic marriage redemption story.

I didn't ever say that. I don't think it's a marriage redemption story, but you know, that was the hook they were using to sell it, epic marriage redemption story. And you know, I guess in some ways, on the surface, my marriage had been redeemed, whatever that means. I mean, we were functioning, We were in the wake of infidelity, We were doing all the things you're supposed to do to earn forgiveness, you know, like just waiting for peace and love to just fall from the sky. And you

liked each other. That's important to say, right, you, you would Craig like each other. We do now, we do now. Um. We we got married because it was the right thing to do, not because we were the right people for each other. And when I say right thing to do, I mean that, like with air quotes, right, it wasn't the right thing to do, actually, But I had a list of what families were supposed to look like, and I thought that we were supposed to get married, right.

So whenever you start thinking about the supposed to so that's when you're about to just, yeah, walk right into some kind of cage. You're gonna have to break out eventually. Right. So we got married and we just started building this

little family. And I was like four minutes sober. I mean I got sober when I found out I was pregnant Chase, and so I had been a blimic and an alcoholic for a decade and a half, and so you know, when you're freshly sober, you're just you're not even supposed to get a plant, right, And I just like, yeah, Kangbusters, you bought a jungle. Yeah, and like assigned myself as in charge of the jungle and had never grown a plant before, right, But even so, We built a great

little life, you know, with three ridiculous kids. I was teaching. We were really good co parents, and you were attracted to the father he was, Yeah. You you might not wanted to crawl into bed with them, but when you saw him interact with your kids, it was something that sort of kept you there. Yeah. The people who don't know my family, I mean, you don't watch Craig with the kids and not be like, oh my god, this

is exactly what every dad is supposed to be. Like, He's just amazing, and he's completely devoted to them and always husband and always will be. And you know, I think I did what a lot of women do, is I knew that there was something major missing when I saw movies about love or like even talked to friends you were really in love. I didn't know what the hell they were talking about, and really didn't, And so I just told myself that that was just bullshit. That's

what I do about a lot of things. I just like, Okay, well that's just Disney stuff and it's not real anyway, and Miley is good enough. And I think that's what a lot of women do, right. I just we can't have everything I have to be grateful for what we have. It could be worse, like just sucking up butter cup. Yeah, I get a lot of that. My family voice was, well, you're lucky that you didn't dot dot dot, I mean

even now. Well, yes, you're fine now, but wait till the stock market dropped and you have no money and just waiting for you to crash, and until you get this new strain of COVID, and wait till you know. Yeah, as my mother says, the wolf is always waiting outside the door. Oh that's a lot. That's my family vibe too. Yeah, my mom and I are best friends. But I was raised by football coach. Everything was no pain, no gain,

suck it up. I mean I was like overly sensitive, depressed in just like poet being raised by a football coach. It's just what it wasn't gonna work, no, no, I was never going to suck it up butter I mean I did. I just sucked it up with like pantries full of food every night and then threw up like that was my way of coping with all of it. Right, and then we were Catholic on top of it, so suffering was just worshiped. Literally suffering was proof of strength

of worthiness, and that becomes your comfort place. I know this, I'll stay in there night. So I knew there was you know, we sex was so I could never figure sex out, Ollie, So I'd be like, Okay, sex, it's like an oil change for a car. You just have to like do it every once in a while, even though it's so annoying, because it just keeps the car going smoothly. Like That's how I actually felt about sex

inside my marriage. It was just something I had to do every once in a while, just keep everybody happy, keep the marriage going. A lot of women feel that doesn't break down, you know, so nobody's like complaining like whatever. I had a friend once say to me. She was like, I don't get sex, And I said, well, what what sort of turns you on or what gets you going with it? And she goes, I think about the oreo

I'm going to get when I'm done. So she's just fixated on the oreo that she would eat when they were finished. H I get that. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. And I used to really actually dissociate, like I would just be like, Okay, I'm not here, I'm planning the grocery list. I'm already on the couch with the Netflix. I'm like, I'm not here, and I just thought there's something wrong with me. And then I found out about the infidelity, which had been going on since the beginning,

since just weeks after the wedding. Huh. I was out of my mind, panicked. I was just like, oh, no, no, I did everything I was supposed to do. I was a good girl. I was a good mom. I was a good wife. I was a good I was you know, and now like it just wasn't enough. And I was so scared for my kids. You know, my parents never got divorced. I thought divorce was like the ultimate failure. If you stay married forever, you are successful, that's interesting.

I'm from a million divorces, so mine was like, if the first sign of trouble get out. Well, I know plenty of people who are married, and I would never call them a success. Like to me, it's no more like, oh, a marriage of success if you stay forever, even if you're slilly dying inside. Like, no, I have completely redefined what success looks like for sure, But at the time I was terrified. At the kids were so young, and I just just like I'm gonna make this work. That

was the attitude. There's a set of things that I can do that will turn this into a beautiful story. I mean, I'm a memoirist, Like that's what I'm I can work with this material, like this is just this is just the worst scene, right, Like this isn't how it ends. Like we can we'll just just you know, we'll add a bunch of like therapy and yoga and we'll just like and I didn't know if I was like writing it or living it. I know, chapter twelve they go to Hawaii, So so now we'll go to Hawaii.

So we did all the things, and we really did get to a place where we were outwardly able to live together and be would have looked at us from the outside and been like, they're just a cute family, Like you know, we were functioning, but I was just still piste off all the time. Like if you had looked at an X ray of me, I was like

a dormant volcano with lipstick on inside. I was just like this river of rage and it would come out when I was expected to make myself vulnerable in anyway to him, because I would be so angry that I could be expected to even pretend that I trusted again. And it became like this refrain in my head that was like how could he have done this? And one day I woke up and I was like, oh, oh, I see. The question is how could I keep doing

this to me? Yeah, you're the one that keeps going and making yourself vulnerable when you know you don't feel safe, when your body is telling you don't feel safe, your heart is telling you. So I'm in this place of like what the hell am I going to do? And then I'm on the road launching an epic marriage redemption story, which is a really good time, and I'm at that first event and I just look over at the door

and there's just a woman standing there. And I mean, talk about completely opposite from whatever list you've made for yourself, Like this is a completely different gendered person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mine was just great, right, greaking political. Yeah. Well mine was a girl in a in an athlete, so that was like the athlete part was as much of a leap for me as the gender part. Like everything would

have been the opposite of my list. But Ellie, so I'm telling you that I was the person who had told myself that love was not a real thing, right, that this romantic idea is for Disney and whatever, and my parents, my family would make fun of me for this. But I'm like, wait, love, it's like a light, okay. And some people are meant to have laser love like on one person, and some people are meant to have floodlight, just like a little bit of love for everyone. And

that's how I am. I'm just more of a floodlight, so I told myself. But you know, my activism and the philanthropy and the art, that was like, I used it all up so I couldn't be like lasered in on one person. You're your own little publicist. I guess it. That's what we do. We we just we freaking rationalize our lives by explaining this and that and how we can't have everything and how we have to be grateful for what we do have, like this the flood light possibility.

But when I saw her, my whole self was just like, oh shit, And just from seeing her, just her standing in the door, that was it. Yeah, there was an electric yes. And I didn't know at that moment like I'm going to marry this person. It wasn't like that. It was just like, oh, this is what's happening right now is very very important this person and is very very important. Did it feel sexual or did it feel

like an enlightenment? Yeah, like like, um, you know. My friend was like, well is it was just like you know, meeting a best friend. Like I have met friends where I just meet them and I know that this is a person and I'm like no, no, no no, Like I would have been like if I can only be friends with that person, I will die, Like I would rather die than only be friends with that person. Would have been like my in my body. I was just I was very very very attracted to her, and it

was just so freaking baffling. And that's just I've never I've never kissed a girl that on a date with a girl considered like I had never had I didn't have any context for the experience that I was having. Well that's the big head scratcher. Don't you think we're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back and we're back with more? Go ask Ali. You must get a million questions about, well, it's not that you

had picked the wrong you were gay. I have a good friend, smart writer, and I was talking to her this morning and she said, who are you talking to you? I said Glennon Doyle And she said, God, I love her so much, But how did she go from sleeping with a man too woman? I couldn't do it, And I said, well, I think it's the person that transcends the kind of penis of vagina, mechanics of it all

I would assume. I mean, I get how she could not understand it, like I understand that because I cannot understand her thinking about it, Like I just feel, well, first of all, I feel like people are just a lot gayer than they usually admit. Like people can tell me their stories honestly anyway for the last decade, but now since Abby like the stories people tell me about their insides, I just feel like I'm way too much

information about everyone is fifty shades a day, all I think, Yeah, totally. So, I think it's very unusual to be a person's like I can't imagine, like really you've never imagined it? Really? Yeah yeah, yeah, But that friend is probably going to

come out in a few years. But to this, I would be so happy if she she she doesn't get me and George, you know, I don't think, Yeah, she's experienced that herself, so she wouldn't get it, like the boundary crossing, whole love thing, that's not that's not a check the box list exactly of a good match, right. I mean when in the beginning, I used to be like Abbey because all anyone asked me for a year,

I was like, okay, so what are you like? It didn't matter what I was working on, what I was doing with the with activis, and it was like, okay, so before we get started, can you just think what are you like? Are you gay? Like you weren't? You didn't know you were gay before but now you know, or you were in the closet but you didn't. And I don't I think that most thinkers who are paying attention to like the evolution of our understanding of sexuality,

because I don't think sexuality really evolves. It's the same. It's just like our understanding of what it is um is different than that. It's not like we have to be one thing. It's like much more fluid than that. Everything plays a part in it. Absolutely, our age, our experiences,

our friendships, are spirituality are politics. It's like how you people are one faith and they are swear they're this one thing, and then they go somewhere or they meet somebody, or there they read a book or then then suddenly they're like, maybe it's wider than that. But it's not like they were like a fake or lying that they were a Christian before, like they really meant it. I have two teen aged daughters and we have constant arguments because you know, they're in that generation of having to

label themselves and I'm very against that. I think once we get rid of those labels or trying to fit ourselves in a kennel cage of what we're supposed to be, those are the people that then go, oh my god, well then what are you, Glennan? What are you? Are? You? Persian? What you have to explain yourself to me? Because I don't really know who I am? And that's why I ended end tamed with the I Am chapter. I feel like whatever you put after I Am just ends up

being a cage eventually. But I want to ask you about the journey to Abby because I sometimes think that had you met Abby twenty years earlier, you wouldn't have been able to have that physical reaction. I don't think because of the experiences and the things that you needed to go through that led you to her. I think that's right. You know, I don't think I would have been attracted to George because you know, when I was twenty years old, I was like, Oh, I'm going to

marry Hugh Grant. He's going to be an advertiser and we're gonna have two kids, and this is what the Christmas card looks like. You know, I had a very sad idea, so that if my abbey walked in, I wouldn't have seen it. Yeah. So I want to know what you think about that, because I think when a lot of people talk about authentic love, I think it in some ways has to be earned by your own experience and your own willingness to understand yourself and trust yourself.

I mean, I think that's the difference for me. I could have had that experience and shut it down. You know. Part of like gayness or well whatever clearness is like Okay, you have the feeling, but are you open to pursuing it? Right? Right? So there is a choice there, And people hate when you use the word choice around sexuality, but there is a choice, always a choice before you decide to like freaking go after someone right, like, there's there's a choice

to be made. So I think I needed to have had the experience of having a and knowing that my faith was bigger than my religion. That is a journey that I went on for a decade before meeting Abbie, and I did a lot of it publicly and was you know, ostracized for it, was kicked out of churches, went through the hard parts of that, and then went through the beautiful parts of that, which is like, oh, none of that kills you, and who fucking cares like

and now look at me. I get to live free and not pretend and not lie about what I believe and don't believe in who I hate and don't hate. They're not the boss of me anymore religious funimentalists. So I had to go through that whole experience to realize that sometimes to find your fit you have to go outside of the expectations and boundary of that particular area.

I had done it in terms of religion and gone through the whole process of it and trusted myself more than all the people yelling at what I should be and who I should follow, and while it was very difficult and scary, I found a lot of freedom and peace and was comfortable in my own skin inside of faith for the first time. I mean, I think a lot of it too, is we're all sort of shackled

by fear, and everything is fear motivated. I mean, now, and I'm in my late eighties, I'm trying to let go of things that scare me because I've learned so far in my life that those things didn't kill me. Once you get through it and you know you're going to survive and you're going to live, it's it's so much more freeing than having not gone through that. And it's alread either way, and it's alread either way. That's

the thing. Like staying in a relationship that you know is not where you're supposed to be is really fucking hard, Like that's slowly dying inside. Like that's and I think people think, oh, I can stay and do the easy thing, or I can go and do the hard thing. And I don't mean just in terms of marriage, I mean

in terms of all of the things. I mean that whole idea of leaving your relationship because you're scared of your finances, like how many I have had those thoughts so many times, like how but I can't do my own life? Yeah, I think what we have been, what women especially have been routinely sold as easy, is not at all easy. It's actually soul crushing, right, So it's

kind of that, like choose your hard idea. And another part in your book that really resonated with me was I have been the bride'smaid to bride's who didn't want to get married. I mean, I've been in the limo with the bride crying, going what am I doing? What am I doing? And I'm saying, you don't have to do this, but people have been invited, you know, And then she takes his xanics and goes through with it.

And I wrote about it in my last book because it was nobody's trusting their gut, nobody's listening to that inside. Those women that I was wearing these hideous colored bridesmaid dresses now are divorced. It's not a shock because even at that moment they knew somewhere in their body that this was the wrong choice. Well, good for them that

they finally honored it. I mean, many people are just still married to the person that they knew they shouldn't marry, and that they know every day they're not sins to be married too. So I don't even know if it's not trusting your gut, because it's like worse than that. At that point, it's like you do know, you feel your gut, you do trust it, and you still would rather disappoint yourself than disappoint the people sitting in the views.

You choose to abandon yourself so that you don't rock the boat, like that's just what we have been told to do. Well, But it's amazing to me. I think in your book you wrote about not wanting to disappoint people that were invited. But I mean, I had one friend of mine say to me, there's so much salmon moose,

aren't there food pantries? You can? Can we please just use that as a metaphor forever though, Like every time one of our friends are we are about to make a stupid decision just because some plants have been made, we just have to say, you know what, we can just throw away the salmon mouse. We can defeat it to other people like who who like salmon moose? Anyway? Nobody no one, No one does, No one does. It would have been a gift to all present to cancel

the damn what right. But I needed to experience abandoning everyone's expectations for me and surviving it in order to even consider leaving my marriage and being with a woman.

You know, six weeks before before Age Redemption story was coming out, and like, you know, my parents, like children, my you know, my agents and editors and all people who are so invest in my career who told me that it was career suicide, like you know it just having survived everyone losing their ship around you and still being like, no, I'm gonna trust myself anyway. Is something that you have to do a few times before you

can do it big. And then it's so empowering, isn't it. Yeah, And then you get to the point where you see it's a pattern. They're like, oh yeah, this is the point where you lose your mind, mom. This is the point where everyone that works around me tells me this isn't gonna work. This is the point where everyone gets very upset. And then I start just doing the thing and showing everybody that it's okay, that we're all going

to survive. And then everyone starts calming down. Oh, this is the part where everyone starts telling me how brave I am. When they were telling me I was that ship crazy four months ago. Right now they're proud of me. Now they're proud of me. Right. So it really, in my life is a pattern, and it's helpful when you're like, oh, this is the part where everyone tells me I'm nuts. That's okay, We'll get to the next part soon, right, There's a lot more to come after this short break.

Welcome back with more go ask Gali. So, Glenn and you talk about this snow globe you had when you were younger, in a snow globe that when you shook it it would get all flurry, and then when it would settle, there'd be a dragon in the middle. And you use this imagery as so many of us, so many women in particular, we keep the globe shaken because we're always running around and we don't want it to settle because then we're going to ultimately have to face

our dragons or the thing that we're avoiding. So after we settle our snow globes and we are literally facing our demons, how do we get into that next phase of knowing. You know, I have a lot of women friends and all as you do, all different situations in their life, and I see many of them, uh, And I refer to your snow globe metaphor, because so many of them keep themselves really busy because they don't want to feel right. And you know, these are badass women.

I mean, these are activists and writers and actors, and they've got kids, and they're paying the mortgage and they're doing all this stuff. But they go a hundred miles an hour. And I think about what you write about the knowing and what it is to go into a closet and sit and really sort of feel yourself and your thoughts. And I think about women who want a different kind of relationship or different kind of life. How

do you explain that journey? If I said to you, you know, Glennon, I read that part about knowing, and I want to do that. First of all, I got to clean out my closet because I bought too many shoes on the real wheel trying to keep your snow glups. That's one of our main strategies to buy more ship. So I get in my closet and I curl up, and now what do I do? Well, I don't know if it's the closet for everybody, right, I mean the closet journey began when I actually found myself googling what

should I what should I do in my marriage? Like I was googling what do you do if your husband is a cheater but also a good dad? Like Ali, Yeah, I mean I get it. And at this point I'm like kind of a big deal writer. People are following my advice and I'm googling right, so and then it was like the realization of this kind of ven diagram that I live in, which is like part faith based, part feminist. The feminist one women telling me this is

what you should do. You should leave. A good mother would leave, a strong woman would never put up with this ship whatever. And then the Christian side exact opposite. A good woman would stay, a strong mother would stay. About the right thing to do is whatever. And it's just a beautiful thing to happen to a woman because it's like you realize that I can't please everybody that was so helpful to me to understand oh, right and wrong, good and bad. That's all made that ship's made up.

So that's when I really understood. Okay, I am like consulting every voice outside of myself. I have asked friends, friends who, by the way, I know what they don't know what the hell they're doing with their own life, but I'm going to them to ask them what I should do with my life. Okay, well, Oprah does know what we should all do with our life, so that's

a little bit different. She's the exception. But like I just realized, I don't know anymore how to listen to myself, Like I have lost this connection, like somebody cut a line between myself and my intuition a long time ago. So it was really an effort to, at a desperate time of my life, to somehow figure out what I wanted so I wouldn't continue to follow other people's directions my entire life and come to the end of my

life and realize that I had not lived. So I started to just sit and being still has always been very hard for me. That's why I was an addict for my whole life. Like addiction is just a constant effort to avoid the knowing all it is. So so I think I started with three minutes. Actually sitting in the closet and just like trying to be still and listen. This thing happens after a while. And I have friends who have all different kinds of little practices with that.

Like I have a friend who just makes herself not turn on the radio in the car. I think that's a cool one. Yeah, walks are super important to me. Now I don't see my closet anymore, but going for a walk each day with no podcast, no, no nothing. It's amazing how all of my ideas come to me on walks. It's like my kids would say, you know, the shower, mom, It's like magic. I'm in the shower, and like, I have all of these ideas. It's just

it's stillness. It's the only time, because waters pouring in your head that you're not logged into something like that. Those ideas are flowing all the time. We're just rejecting them by listening to other people's ideas constantly. So true. I have a rescue hound who I started walking six miles a day, and and now that's where I do all my best thinking. You know what I mean? Interesting, Like I I reread Untamed this week, but I processed

it on the walk. You know, processing, we need processing time, all right, we just don't take that. Yeah, And I think there's something that the walking is a little bit less scary or something. For me, there's something about moving during it that makes it feel less intimidating. Yeah, it's a little it's a little punished child Sibyl to be in the closet. Yeah, yeah, maybe that's what it is. I'm sick of that whole vibe of the closet alley

as it were. Yes, you are very proudly kind of circles into the light, my friend, into the light circle. I'm got to end this podcast by saying my favorite part was reading Untamed and thinking, oh god, this this woman figured it out. She's really in love. You know. I like to think that I've got a good relationship going, but I feel like that if she her orgasms might be stronger than my alley. And then you get mad at Abby because in the middle of the day, she's

sitting on the couch watching TV. But I was like, yes, that's exactly right. She's probably doing it right now. Ally, she's probably out there in the couch and she knows when I started podcast or something that she's got a good hour that she can watch a freaking vampire show. Or but that was so great. That was such a you know, I hate the word, but relatable little piece. You know, it was comforting to me. It was like, yes, authentic love has that too, you know what I mean?

That's all of It's only a hundred percent of it, right Like, And I feel like I've talked about that a lot because because our the beginning of our love story was so intense and awesome and beautiful, and now we're like exactly the same everyone has ever been, like with our daily arguments, and our major argument is like am I too irritable or you too annoying? Yeah? Like that's what we can't figure out. Like for me, for me and George, it's wait a minute, am I the

smart one and you're the idiot? Ali, I think that the world might know that you're a smart one? Okay, all right, I'll take it from you. Nobody who's as funny as you is not also brilliant. All right, Funny requires brilliant. But I will say one thing. When I closed Untamed, closed it, put it down, I thought, I think I'm in love with Abby. You do you? You paint such a great picture of her playing soccer, you know, with your daughter. I mean, she just she seems amazing.

She is. She's the kindest person that I've ever met in my entire life and the most excited person, Like she's like a hot buddy elf. But that's so great. Everything is like magic. I didn't know what fun what. She's brought fun into my life as much as as much as one can enjoy. Yes, all right, hashtag Salmon moves Glenn and Doyle, thank you for talking to me. And oreos and English muffins always Oreos. English muffins get you out of a depression, but oreos will get you

through sex that everything you need to do it. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, Inky Ali. You know, I'm thinking about everybody who listened to this podcast, and I'm thinking how much we all strive for authentic love. And I think with Untamed Glennon takes us through her own journey of finding authentic love and helping us find our knowing and not shaking our snow globe and using some of her tools to obtain something that seemed unattainable.

One of the things I love and I'm in awe about when it comes to Glennon Doyle is She's a kind of person that every book she writes you underline at least ten things a page. She could have an inspirational calendar for the next forty years. So after reading Untamed and Love Warrior, I pulled out a few of my favorites. Being human is not hard because you're doing it wrong. It's hard because you're doing it right. This life is mine alone, so I've stopped asking people for

directions to places they've never been. The braver I am, the luckier I get. And my all time favorite, you are not crazy. You're a goddamn cheetah. She should start a T shirt company. She could sell millions of t shirts with these quotes. Thank you for listening to go ask Ali join me next week with guests psychotherapist Lori Gottlieb.

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