Karma and Crafting Your Destiny w/ Sadhguru

spirituality and more specifically karma. My guest today is Yogi, mystic and internationally renowned speaker, Said Guru, named one of India's fifty most Influential People. Said Guru's work has touched the lives of millions worldwide through his transformational programs. Said grew was the author of the New York Times bestseller

Inner Engineering, A Yogi's Guide to Joy. He has been an influential voice at leading educational institutions as well as major global forums, including the United Nations and the World Economic Forum, addressing issues as diverse as socio economic development, leadership, and spirituality. Saiguru's new book, Karma, Yogi's Guy to Crafting

Her Destiny, is out now. So, first of all, said, Guru, thank you for joining me and your new book, Karma Yogi's Guide to Crafting Your Destiny is fascinating and dnse and for the sake of this podcast, I'd like to kind of focus on the basics of karma because you're going to find that when you're talking to me, I am like a baby when it comes to this. This is it's all new. I grew up in an Episcopalian house, so I was taught good and bad and God watches over you. So this is a whole, a whole new

thing for me to explore with you. And I think, particularly now sort of towards the end of this pandemic, people really need to change their lives. They need to focus on self transformation. So I think this is incredibly pertinent for the time we're living in. So let's start with karma. Because when I received your book Karma, I thought, okay, well, I know what karma is. Karma is a moral structure.

I'm sure you've heard this a million times from people that karma, you know, most people think is oh, if you do something bad, you'll be punished for it. If I mean to this person, karma will be that somehow,

that meanness will come back and get me. Isn't that what you hear over and over that people think karma is Yes, largely, particularly in this part of the world, people understand this as a reward and punishment system, because this whole psyche comes from the basis of bad people will be sent to hell, good people will go to heaven, and here good only pleasant things happened. They're only unpleasant

things happen. But now that you know, let me address this pandemic first, because you brought that fourth right now. The world is really under that, particularly India is really being battered right now. Unfortunately we went through the first way pretty well, but the second one is really beyond what anybody estimated. And every day ten to twelve people that I know are dying every day. It's just like that. And why is that? Is it people not being vaccinated

fast enough. We have vaccinated nearly hann't fifty million people, but we are one point four billion people. And in this there are campaigns running on social media who are anti wax, who say somebody is making money. Of course, somebody is making money. Whatever happens, somebody makes money. And that's why the world keeps running. I'm not for against that, but I'm saying, in this calamity that's happening to us, we are a calamity ourselves that we work against ourselves.

We kind of put impediments all kinds of things. That are religious meetings, there are political meetings. There are people who want to have a party, no matter what you tell them. Probably it's more rigidly enforced in India than anywhere else, more forcefully enforced. In spite of that, But I think what we underestimated was this particular variant. Last time we handled it pretty well, so we thought, one

more way, what's the problem. But this particular variant is like really taking life in a big way and anyway for coming to karma from that, the inner way, what we call its karma is just largely not only largely unconscious software that you write for yourself. Whatever you wrote unconsciously, if you're willing, you can write or rewrite consciously, isn't it From the childhood you said, a certain kind of upbringing. This is one thing that you hear largely only in

the West, not in the East at all. If you talk to anybody, people will say I was raised this way, you should not raise a human being. You raise cattle, you raise sheep, You don't raise human beings. A human being has to be nurtured because each one is a different possibility. It's not a heard that you're raising. If you I heard that you have two children, you know how different they are, same genetics, same food, probably same school.

But you know how different they are completely different, completely different. You cannot raise both of them in the same incubator. M hm it is I'm saying that they are individuals. You have to nurture them to their fullest possibilities that they are. So this is the nature of the human being. All this kerma business comes into an impactful play only because human life is not as structured as the life

of other creatures. For example, if you look at all the other creatures on this planet, they're life of who they are is fixed by nature. Ten percent latitude to express their individual natures is available. But for the human being, only ten percent is fixed. Is left in your hands. This is karma. If you perform this karma consciously, you will craft your destiny. If you perform this karma unconsciously, then you will live accidentally and you think somebody is

hitting you from the skies. For example, from the moment you woke up to your body has been doing activity, which is karma. Your mind is doing its own activity karma. Your emotions are doing their own stuff that is karma. Your life energies are doing its own thing that is also karma. Four dimensions of karma are happening to you every moment of your life, both in sleep and wakefulness.

It's happening. But from in these last six seven hours of wakefulness, how much of that karma have you performed consciously? If you look at this, for almost every human being on the planet, it's well below one percent. What this means is it becomes accidental. Once life process becomes accidental, anxiety is normal, fear is normal. Graduating into terror is not far away. So this is how the world has become. And everybody is now writing philosophies how anxiety is normal,

How fearfulness is normal? It is not normal. You're living accidentally, so it seems to be normal. When you live accidentally, everything will be fearful and anxious. Well, let me ask you a question. What if I'm writing a bike and my eyes are open and somebody crashes into me. How how is that my karma or their karma? That is the karma that is a bad karma of choosing to live in New York City. Well, then it's bad karma that I married my husband who has a job. No,

I'm not doing that. The first of all, karma is neither good nor bad. It is just the residual impact of the actions that we have performed. We must understand what happens to us in the world, whether somebody crashes into us, as somebody does wonderful things to us, it is not all ours. There is a social and global karma happening. Or in other words, what happens in your life, in the surroundings of your life is not yours, but how you experience it is yours. One should determine how

you experience this totally in your hands. Then you will see your ability to determine what's happening around you is significantly enhanced. So explain you talk about it in your book. So basically, my karma is my complex domain, yes, meaning it's all consuming, it's all encompassing. When it comes to my life, karma means on one level, it is just memory. Let's say you buy a new computer which has all

the mechanicals, you know, the hardware of it. Everything is there, but there is no software, so it is no good. It's just a stone tablet as good as that. So it's only by putting software it starts coming alive in so many different ways. It is able to do things that you cannot imagine. So how did this happen? Just accumulation of memory. That is the same truth with you. Also, it is accumulation of memory. When I say memory, there

is evolutionary memory within you. There is genetic memory within you. There is karmic memory. There is articulate and inarticulate memory, conscious, unconscious, and subconscious levels of memories. Eight forms of memories rule from within you. So if all this is there, what has happened is you become like an automated machine. This is who I am. You call this your personality, but actually it's automation of the being that you are. That you can only think like this, you can only like this,

you can only dislike this. You can only love these people. You cannot love these people. This is where I belong. This way I don't belong. This is automation of life. This is good to survive. If you want to just survive, this is quite fine because everything is automated. You don't have to think anything. There are many people who walk into the local breakfast place. They don't even order the

hostess or whoever is there. They looks at them and they know what they eat everyday, same thing they will eat because it's determined, which makes your life simple. You are who you are only because of your karma. But the longing within the human being is always to be something more than who you are right now, isn't it. Wherever you are, you want to be something more. But that is crippled to what we're talking about right now is there is a whole lot of software that you

call as myself. Right now, this is your personality. Your software should be like a stage upon which you stand and you can do your own dance. But right now this software is not firm enough that you sink into the stage. If you sink into the stage, then you're stuck. This is how most people are experiencing their life. Their past experiences of life is determining how they live today and how they will live tomorrow. What happened yesterday, whether

it is beautiful or horrendous. It doesn't matter. Does it enrich your life or does it make you get stuck? This decides whether you're entangled with karma or you're using karma to transcend. Does previous experiences of life leave you wounded or wise? This is a choice that we have. This choice we can exercise right now. Whatever your karma, my karma in all these years, doesn't matter. But this moment, if we are willing, we can transcend that if we

bring the necessary consciousness to it. Okay, Okay, I got some questions here. So so we look at the software and you're saying that any kind of trauma or genetic dispositions that we've inherited are already there, right, they're hardwired into who we are. But you're saying that we can actually change all that. Right, They don't use the hardwire because the hardware hardware doesn't have information. It's only the software which has information. But it may be it may

be loaded on your hard disc. It is there in your DNA, it is there in your genetics. But very easily a human being can transcend this because what is fixed within new is only ten percent is left open to you. Okay, So what if you inherit physical issues, diseases, or what about addiction? What about things that you're not necessarily responsible for but are inherited or given to you? Ali, can you run as fast as Mr Bolt? Hussen Bolt?

So are you handicapped? No? Compared to him, you are If you keep hussen Bolt as the standard of a human being, both you and me are seriously handicapped, aren't we? Yes? So shall we sit here and cry we can't run as fast to loose and Bolt. No, Now, we just enjoy watching him run. That's it. That's the same thing with every aspect of our life. There are so many things you can do I cannot do. There's so many things I can do that you cannot do. I don't

have to look at you and cry. I'm not able to do that, nor do you have to look at me and cry. So somebody might have come with two legs, somebody might have come with one, somebody with none. But I'm saying what you can do in the world cannot do in the world is always subject to various realities. Even if you have all the four limbs and a big brain, till what you can do depends on the times in which you have landed in the geographist in which you have landed, in the kind of situations you

have landed, all these things will determine. But how you experience your life is in your hands. If you don't have four limbs, you can still still sit here joyfully. Yes, what I can do is seriously impeded, but I can still sit here joyfully. If I sit here joyfully, my hands and legs may not function, my brain may function very wonderfully well. Unfolding of genius. Human genius will happen only when there is no fear of suffering, and no fear of suffering will happen to you only when you're

joyful by your own nature. This is karma. What has happened in the past, what life has put you into, What life situations you've landed up into. This is not always our doing. Like you said, some of you are riding a bicycle, somebody comes and hits you, something else happens in the world. So many things happened. Okay, we didn't invite the pandemic. It's come. We've lost so many people who are dear to us. Yes, but now how we experience this, will we use this to become wiser

or will we use this to become wounded. This choice we have exercising this choice is karma. It's interesting because when I hear you talk about this, I think this is what capitalism is built on, the opposite of what you're saying. You know, in in Western culture, you know, they rely on us to want. If I have this car, i'll be happy. If I look like her, I'll be happy. And it really though, it's it's all what capitalism is based on. There is more money and activity on yoga

where than yoga. You know, I know, I actually own yoga pants and I don't do yoga, so that is very true. It's so comfortable though. Um talked to me about the predictability of karma, and you know, I love that story you tell about how before students come into a classroom, you can pretty much tell where everybody's going to set right, explain that. Do you have a pet at home, like a dog or something? Yes, I have

a dog who's my second husband. Well, you see, you take him to a new place in your home, you may not be able to notice it. Take him to a new place, he will sniff around, he will look around here, there, there, and he will select a place and sit down only there. He will not just sit down wherever he will feel the place around where he is most comfortable, he will sit. So human beings may not sniff around, but they have their own way of

figuring this out. So actually, when we create powerful meditation places, we just tell people spend some time before you settle down, choose a place where you will be most comfortable, and when they sit down, I will tell them that's not the place for you. You must sit in just the opposite place because you comfort comfort not for transformation. Transformation is never comfortable. It's liberating, but it's not about comfort.

So I was just you know, somebody today morning sent me a motorcycle and they said, group, please to write something on my motor cycle and sign it because I wanted to sell it for a premium price. And did you do it? Yes? I I just wrote. I just wrote four wheels for comfort, two wheels for love of life. There's a lot more to come after this short break and we're back. You have a motorcycle, yes, yes, yes, I ride most of the time. Have you ever been

in an accident? Just recently, I was writing in India and while tusker came on the road, I stopped. I know how to deal with this. I've been in the situations many times. So I'm just putting on the side stand to get down another motorcycle who was coming behind me. He seized the elephant and panics and comes and bangs

into me. The elephant gets excited by this clash and starts charging us, and I'm right there within forty fiftet away, And fortunately some trucks and others honked their hands really loudly, and the elephant went away. So if I look at this story with you see the elephant, you put on your brakes, somebody hits you from behind. The loudness makes the elephant want to come charge you. Can you sort of explain the karma of that situation. I would say, Oh,

you have good karma because you weren't hurt. Yes, I have very good karma because my left foot was stuck under the motorcycle and I'm trying to pull it out the motorcycle waste two or sis. I can't lift it. I tried it, I couldn't lift it. But the elephant is coming. Then I had the good karmas thing that all I have to do is rock the motorcycle from behind. So I put my weight on the rear end of the motorcycle and it lifted up, and I got my foot out and came back to a security get which

was behind me. So that was my good karma. I have sense that I don't panic in any kind of situation right which you you write about which we should all pause before? Right we we were supposed to take a moment before we react. Oh, if you pause, the elephant will would have crushed me. We'll see. Now you

know how confused I am about karma. Yes, in that moment, but in terms of making decisions, sort of life decisions, aren't we supposed to pause for a moment, take a breath before I think pause will happen to us in the end. Okay, what life will pause? Right now? It's on. There's no need to pause. All it needs these an equanimous mind. That is, you are not in a state of agitated reacting. Because human intelligence is capable of doing

things which are most incredible. But people are doing these things once in a way, in sparks here and there. They have sparks of genius functioning. When we say genius, people think they must create something. They must make an art piece, or they must make music, or they must do this or that. No, you can have your genius functioning every moment of your life. How you drive that bicycle when you were riding that New Yorker who wants to come and crash into you, If you're riding in

a certain way, you can easily dodge that guy. I'm saying. I'm saying this was this elephant situation. People thought this is the end of it because the elephant was about hundred and fifty hundred sixty feet away. By the time I got my foot out, it was just forty ft away. In another three seconds it would be upon me, you know. But I screamed, honked the horn, so they were all panicking, and somebody just put their hand down on the horn that noise to kind of put off the elephant, and

it went backwards. So I'm saying it is just that you're alert situations. Whether you live or you die. The important thing is your require him us. If you're requare them us, you will do the best possible thing. There is no such thing as the best thing. The best possible thing that you can do in a given moment is really sparking of your genius. Every moment of your life, whether you're doing something significant, spectacular, or just mundane, you

still can do it in a very fantastic way. I'm saying, m hm, why do some people suffer more than others? So? Can I tell you my problem? Alex? Please please? I'm a therapist, as welcome they When I was twenty five years of page, one day I suddenly realized I was just sitting on a hill and I just burst into a certain experience within myself where every cell in my body was dripping ecstasy. I stayed like this for a few hours. Then when I shook my head, what's happening

to me? I thought, I'm going off my rocker. When I asked my closest friends, something like this is happening to me. When I shared this, I said, I come on, what did you drink? Worried you pop? Because this is sixties and seventies, you know this is a kind of question. I knew that there was nobody around me who could tell me what's happening. All I knew was I with something fantastic and I don't want to miss that. Then I experimented with myself what is it? What is it?

In one moment you're just so mundane, In another moment, you're so spectacular. What is this? Then I realized, if I don't just mess with my mind, if I simply sit here, life is spectacular. It's bursting on all levels. The problem is this mind is sitting like our rock upon your head, which just brings down everything. To just see a five six year old child, what a spectacular life it is. And how adults have become like this because they are not able to carry the weight of

their own mind. This is karma. So I kept my mind down that day and have not put it on again, just to look substantial. And these days I'm wearing a turban, you know. Anyway, So on that day when this happened, when I realized every human being can live in an ecstatic manner if only they're willing. And I thought, why wouldn't anybody be willing? I was twenty five, and I thought, who would not be willing for something so spectacular within themselves? Then I sat down and made a plan. At that time,

the world's population was five point six billion people. I sat down and made a plan geographically around the world. It will take me just two and a half years to make the whole world ecstatic. From that day, I closed down my business, everything that I was doing, I left the town where I was living and started wanting to share this. It's only then I slowly realized how deeply people are invested in their own miseries and suffering.

You know, they're so invested even if you offer them the greatest thing, Karma won't let them go beyond that. They need to unglue themselves from their karmic structure, because karma is the only thing you have. See who you are right now, the kind of person that you are, your language, your emotion, your thought, everything that you are is only your karmic memory. If I wipe out this memory, you really have nothing that you can call myself. So

that is the problem. People do not know how to stand on the stage of their karma and do their fresh dance. Their feet are sinking into the stage and they feel crippled. When you were a child five six years of age, such exuberant and spectacular life. By the time their thirty, their faces have become long. If at five years so joyful by the time you're thirty, you should have been ecstatic if you graduated, isn't it Yes? But but people would say, but that's but that's life.

You know. I could be an ecstatic five year old girl, but then I grow up and there's money issues, and I have to work in a factory all day and marry somebody I do love, and my you know, my child was born with problems. And you know, life, as we say, has dealt me a bad hand. If you know all these things, well, you need not marry, you need not have a child, you need not do any of those things that couset trouble do. You want just

live spectacular. But if you have nothing to do, if all these things that you complain about, your job, your family, your husband, your wife, your child, the things that you complain about, if we take them away today, you know how miserable you will be. I think very miserable. Right yes, so right now. See it seems some studies are saying the American people hate their jobs, not dislike, they hate their job. So if you get fired, will you work

joyfully on the street? No? Right now, pandemic on people were complaining about going to work. Now, home, sweet home, stay home. Oh my god, what's suffering? So I'm saying the suffering is not in your arrangement. The suffering is in the way you're keeping your mind. Because whether it's joy or suffering, pain or pleasure, agoni or ecstasy only comes from within you. Human experience is manufactured within you. If you understand this, you can manufacture what you want.

If you think it's happening to you, it will never be fixed, isn't it? Because never the world is going to happen the way you want it or I want. Okay, I stand before you today and I'm ready to plunge into my present to fix my destination. How do I do that? How do I how do I become as evolved and as ecstatic? Don't do the word evolved maybe ecstatic, because then I have to grow some horns or something. That's true. That's true. You're right, you look pretty human

to me. So let's leave evolution ecstatic. Yes, now, let's make it very clear. Human experiences caused from within, isn't it? M hmm? If only they suppose you have no control over your hand. This hand keeps slapping on your face, can you live well? No, your hand is out of control and starts slapping you in the face. Not somebody else your hand. Yeah, I don't like that. That hurts, not just not just not like it. It will be the worst misery, isn't it. Well, the worst misery of

both hands were slapping me in that face. Okay, maybe it's the fist. Yes, it's misery all right. What you call as human misery is essentially that, as this hand is out of control and causes misery, their thoughts and emotions are out of control and causing misery. If you could think the way you want right now, would you be miserable? If you can think and feel the way you want this moment, would you be miserable? Definitely not. But still, this doesn't mean everything in your life is

happening perfectly as you wanted. It never happens to anybody. Only one who has not lived his life has such ideals that life should be perfect, everything all arrangements. That means you've not lived in this world. If you lived in this world, even if they're just two people in the family, if life happens your way, you have the controlling stake. You're doing great. If you expect d percent,

nobody will be around you. Okay, this is a nature of life, So life around us need not happen exactly the way we think it should happen, but we should be able to think and feel the way we want to think and feel. Isn't it If you think and feel the way you want, you will naturally be blissful. Yes, as long as I'm not arrested or anything. Yes, even if you're arrested. There are people who lived in Nazi camps, knowing fully well tomorrow they're going to gas timber. But

still they cheered up everybody. They lived joyfully even there. There have been people like this. There cannot be a worse situation than that. But even in that kind of situation, some human beings have exhibited their ability to live well even in the worst possible condition. Isn't this? You know? We we have a program called in a Prisoner in a Freedom for imprisoned. Our programs are now mandatory in

most of the South Indian prisons, and even here. We work in Pennsylvania and Kentucky for some time, and now I can show you thousands of prisoners who are immensely suffering their incarceration because many of them have come for murder or more there for life. Life means twenty years fifty six years kind of imprisonment. That means they're going to live there always. When I went in and started, you know, doing some work with them, they started writing poems.

One particular poem stuck in my mind. This guy had committed three murders in the courthouse, so he wrote a poem saying that every day in the evening, when the cell door closes, I thought, this is my grave. But now I close my eyes and this has become my body tree. Now. Officers sometime came and joke with me, you're making life so good for them in the prison. What is the point? I said. The point of the prison is not to enjoy somebody's suffering. The point of

prison is to correct them. It is a correctional center. In many ways. The point of the prison is to transform a human being, not to condemn a human being. Unfortunately, we've always been thinking we have to condemn somebody. But in a way, if you look at it, all of other criminals, as far as other creatures are concerned on this planet. If you ask the ants to take a judgment on us, they will say we're the worst criminals. You take the buffalos in America, they will say, we're

the worst criminals. You take other creatures everywhere in the world, all of them will declare us as we are the worst possible criminals and vandals on the planet, isn't it? Yes, But we are not in arcerated. We are incarcerated in our own minds. But this is karma. To liberate yourself from that incarceration is going beyond karma for this. You don't have to fix everything that's happened til now. You cannot fix it. Nobody can fix an es today. That

is the meaning of past. What is past cannot be fixed, What is now can only be experienced. What is next can be created. May I ask how you were able to take a prisoner who, from the outside one would think would be incredibly depressed and maybe even suicidal based on his faith, and change that. One simple way of looking at it is this, this human mechanism. It is the most sophisticated and complex chemical factory on the planet.

Do you agree with Yes, very much so so. Every human experience, whether pain or pleasure, has a chemical basis to it. Joy at misery has a chemical basis to it. Agonia, ecstasy has a chemical basis to it. Otherwise, all your medications would mean nothing. It's only you trying to change the chemistry by introducing some external medicine, isn't it. How did you know I was on medication? It's obvious. Come on. So now the important thing is are you a very

good CEO of this complex chemical system? Or are you allowsy CEU. That's all the question is. So we can teach you simple things with which your chemistry will become blissful within four to six weeks of practice. Every day, millions of people when they close their eyes in the morning, tears of ecstasy are washing their cheeks. This is my greatest achievement in life. Rest is all other things. Can you explain the feeling of ecstasy? Can you tell me what what your mind is doing and your body is

doing when you talk about this place of ecstasy. So it's like this. If your body becomes pleasant, we will say you're in good health. If it becomes very pleasant, we will say you're in pleasure. These things can be measured today we both with neurological impulses and chemical studies blood chemistry. Are you in a state of health or you in a state of pleasure? It can be done if your mind becomes pleasant, we call this peace. If it becomes very pleasant, we call this joy. If your

emotions become pleasant, we call this love. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it compassion. If you're very life energies become pleasant, we call this blissfulness. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it ecstasy. So when you're very life energies reverberate in highest level of pleasantness that if you sit here here, you are just you know, totally on. When you're like this, what is the life situation around you does not affect you. This doesn't mean you can't

fix it. You can. Actually your ability to fix this this much more simply because you're no more vested interests. You just fix it because it needs to be fixed. But it has no burden on you to whenever you are joyful, not even ecstatic. When you're joyful, whatever you're doing out of that as an expression of that is never ever burdened. Sound, isn't it? And is this the choice?

Can you make a choice to be this? Yes, but you must also support it by creating the right kind of chemistry, because your chemical patterns right now maybe happening because of past impressions and the past impressions may be so strong that even if you change your attitude, it may not change. So you need to change the chemical process. So there are significant yogurt processes. When I say yoga, I'm not talking about do you have Lululemon? What brand

do you I have a few different brands. Don't tell me. Don't tell me, but I know what you mean. You're not talking about that kind of your Yes, not that kind of yoga. Let's take a quick break and then we'll be back with more. Go ask Ali, welcome back. The word yoga literally means union. You're right now an individual. This is my body, that's your body. This is my mind, that's your mind. No way this body will ever become like yours, No way that mind will ever become like mind.

Trying to make it compatible is a foolish idea which the Western societies are trying very hard to do, and the disappointments are too many. But what we need to understand is in body and mind we will always be different, and that is the most wonderful thing in the world. If my body and your body exactly same, my mind and your mind exactly same, we will want to die. You have keptured a certain amount of life. I have

keptured a certain amount. Now yoga means you are seeing how to enhance this life so that it becomes large enough and the distinction of body and mind is not an obstruction in my life, that I can be one with everything around me, because life has become so large within myself. So if you begin to experience everything as a part of you, in some sense, there is a glass of there is water in this This water is not me, but if I drink it, it becomes me. All that happened is that what was outside I took

it inside. Yoga means to undo this boundary consciously, so that if you sit here, you're experiencing everything as yourself. So if you experience everything as yourself, even for one moment in your life, after that you will not need any moral teaching. Be good to people, don't harm them. All these teachings will be meaningless because whatever you see as myself, with that, there is no conflict, isn't it.

So the experience is in the mental scape to take a place where you're not identified with the stuff that you carry. You use the stuff that you carry, but you're not identified with it. The moment you get identified. After that, you can't stop the NonStop flow of your mind. I call this mental diarrhea. People are having mental diarrhea. They don't understand why. If you eat bad food in just bad food into the stomach, then you will have

physical diarrhea. It tires you. If you put bad food into your mind, you will have mental area and it tires you. People are always sapped out of energy, not because they're doing something significant, simply because they're having a diarrhea and it's very tiring. Just living has become so tiring the United States of America. Yesterday I was telling somebody they were talking about heaven and healthy. I said, you ask anybody in the world, especially the youth, do

they want to go to heaven. They don't want to go to heaven. They want to go to the United States because in their mind they think that is heaven. But ask the people who are living in heaven. Oh my god, they're whining like nobody. Yeah, that's very true. So I'm saying the arrangements are better to such a point. Other people think it's heaven, But heavenly dwellers are all suffering immensely. They think it should be some other way. So I'm saying, whichever way you arranged, outside human beings

are not going to settle. This needs to be engineered a little bit. I wanted to ask you about I have aging parents that I'm dealing with now, and I'm thinking about the idea of memory loss and does that affect the software. For example, I think about my mother now, who's almost nine day because we as human beings, go, oh, well, this is who I am. I live in New York and I am married to him, and I do this,

and she's starting to lose all that. You know, it's almost like a rebirth, for a lack of a better word. And I know that you write about memory loss. Does it make it easier, you know, for someone who has Alzheimer's or dementia to sort of get into this ecstatic place? Do? Yeah? This once again depends on the nature and the quality of different layers of karma that one has. I'm sorry if I speak a little clinically. This is not to offend you because it's your mother, all right. Uh, you

can't offend me because I'm in an ecstatic state. Uh. There are many layers of memory. The topmost layer of memory is what what has happened in the let's say last twenty five years of fifty years of one's life, the relationships, the engagements, the pleasant experiences, unpleasant experiences. This is the most surface part of their memory. But you will see people will be living in comfortable situations, but in many moments the way they behave you cannot understand

why the hell are they doing this? Because they have deeper layers of memory which place up like once in a way, it just comes to the surface like that. You know. I know this well because I've been speaking to lots of doctors about this. They don't know whether their children are they're old. They don't know whether their

teenagers or their really geriatric people. They don't understand they start saying things which they would have said when they were sixteen eighteen, because their structure of the memory is kind of become loose. In your memory ladder, you're climbing. You became a teenager, you became an adult, you got married, You've got children. Now you're a mother, Now you will be a grandmother. Now you will be this, you will be that. This is all the ladder of memory. When

this ladder kind of loses his structure. The pieces are all there, but not in the order that you understand, not in the order that you can make sense out of it. So that is what would be happening. So how will this affect that person? Will they become wonderfully pleasant or unpleasant or how? This depends on the next layers of karma. How it is. If it is very very pleasant structure underneath, you will see lie they will

become joyful like little children. If the deeper structure is not like that, it will come out in a different way. What can we do about I would say, once memory loss has started happening, the only thing you can work with them is to change their chemistry. This can be done, but maybe if you teach them a practice, they cannot even remember that practice every day. You have to sit with them and make them do it. If you do this, you can change the quality. That's a lot of work

for anybody. A certain amount of dedication is needed to bring that effect by themselves. They may not be able to sustain any practice which will change their fundamental chemistry into your more pleasant atmosphere. But if the deeper layers are wonderful layers, nobody can determine that just even if you go to psychoanalysis whatever, you cannot because that is still just a surface layer, little bottom of the surface.

What is deep inside in terms of evolutionary and genetic memory, what happened ten years ago still lives within you in some way. It's not gone. This is what KRMA means. So the best way is to distance yourself. You cannot transform that. You cannot transform what your great grandfather, great grandmother did generations ago. You cannot fix that. But the impact of that is still there. It is there in your body, It is there in your mind, it's there in your emotion. For all you know, your great great

great great grandmother's nose is sitting on your face right now. Yes, see, the very the very epithing yourselves, the color and tone of our skin. For a million years, the body is still remembered, isn't it. Yes. The simple thing is too distance yourself in such a way that you can stand upon it, not sinking to it. M hm. That's beautiful. As we as we come to a close here, I have five quick questions for you. Usually people say one, no, five,

I'm greedy that way. These are very quick though. First question, what is your favorite meal? Oh, what I get today is my favorite meal Because I'm I've been out for all these forty years traveling. Whatever meal arrives in front of me is always my favorite meal. I knew it would be something great like that, although I would have been excited if you said, at cheeseburger. Okay, No, definitely not cheeseburger. I am a very good cook, so I

won't like cheeseburger. My daughter certifies that I make the best messala those in the world. Oh, I know what that is. I love that. Okay. Now the second question, where is the happiest place for you to sit on a mountain, on a beach, in your chair at your home. Ah. I have a bit of an addiction for a mountain. I can't live without mountains. I end up in the mountains all the time. I trek every year in him Alas and where we live in India, we're at the

foothills of a absolutely spectacular mountain. From the age of nineteen, not a single area has passed in my life without trekking in the mountains. So beautiful. Uh. My third question is do you watch television generally news not so much in America, but in India. If I'm there. I have to be on top of the news. Okay. Number four, are you on social media? Social media? For works sake? Books are on social media, Daily courts are there on

social media. All our talk to run social media. This year we have had video us of one point eight three billion beauty of views. It's a fantastic tool if it's used properly. Because I must say this, so many great beings have come in this world, but when they spoke hardly ten people could hear what they were saying, and those ten people would go and misinterpret in ten different ways. This is the first time in the history

of humanity. This is the first time we can sit here and talk to the entire world when certain opportunity is there. If you do not transform this world, that means we just don't care. So I don't want to be written down as a man who did not care. So I'm doing everything possible and every kind of media, including social media, got it. And my very last question to you is is there anybody in the world that you have it, Matt, that you would like to meet. Oh,

I would like to meet Ronaldinho? And why is that? Well, it's something This is a kind of unharnessed kind of genius. There are many other players who have done way better than him in terms of their scores and winning awards and everything. But here genius flowed without intent simply, which I think is always a greater joy to watch. Like, uh, you know, here we have all these white tailed Yeah, this is jumping and hopping and running just for the

fun of it, all right. I think he falls in that category that he just just for the joy of it. Thank you, Sarch for such a wonderful hour with you. Thank you. This has been really lovely. Thank you, Thank you very much. Been wonderful talking. You know, I've always been very intimidated by words like guru, and so said Guru. When I was going to interview him, I was a

little bit nervous, but it was such a pleasure. I read his book, which is amazing, Karma Yogi's Guide to Crafting Your Destiny, and I was actually excited to talk to him because one of the perks of having a podcast is that you can read someone's book and if you have questions, you actually get to ask them firsthand.

Um at the end of the book, said Guru uses questions that he gets either a lot or particularly with the idea of karma that people have sent him or asked him so if you have further questions, the back of his book is a great resource. And of course, my favorite thing about Sakuru was his wonderful sense of humor. Thank you for listening, and hopefully this will help all of us to pivot a little bit and to become more spiritual and become more ecstatic in our own lives.

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