We'll do live the apprehension of the bos Brothers. Ed Manaprow. Hey, here we are. It's November. It's not yet Thanksgiving, but we give thanks for being here with you. We're glop culture. I'm John Podhorns in New York with Rob Long in New York, Hi, Rob, Hi John, And in Washington Jonah Goldberg, Hi, Jonah Hey John, so la Hi. Last time we did this, I don't think there was a war on. There is now a war on. And of course everybody always asks
this question, can you be funny when there's a war on? And the obvious answer is, well, if you weren't funny before, why would you be funny now? So we will just be ourselves and it's gonna be up to you to decide whether or not we are funny, because this is the business that we have chosen. Right, so you're doing that? That uh uh meyer Lansky? What's his name? In the what? What? What? What? What? What was that supposed to be? It's like he had a he had a he had a a schmick and his gimme a dung.
And I said to myself, this is the business we've chosen. I didn't ask who gave the order because it had nothing to do with business. Okay, he had make it his gimmer dung. Yeah, so he had. He had, he had a Cuban sandwich and it did not agree with him. Didn't know nicol. But you have to admit that it was quite an acting coup because it's fifty years later and you remember Lee Strasburg going, you know, in that scene, no one had ever gone in the middle
of dialogue in a scene before. That's like, well, there's a lot of things no one's ever done the middle of dialogue before. That doesn't make it. That just makes it weird. I don't you know. It was weird, but it was incredibly memorable. And of course, the interesting thing about Lee Strasburg giving this indelible performances that he was the most famous acting teacher of his time, the man who taught Marilyn Monroe, the man who taught
Brando, the man who brought Stanislavsky to America. But no one had ever seen him act because he was a teacher, not an actor, and so there was a lot of eh, what does he know? And he got I guess everyone everyone watched this. Yeah, right, you say this about Lee Strasbourg. But it was like one of the biggest f yous ever that he comes out at the age of sixty five or something out of nowhere and
gives one of the most famous performances in history. And then, as you and I discussed, as you and I discussed only a few years we're talking about Cinnacle because you and I discussed just a few years later how he gave this beautiful performance in the incredibly underrated movie Going in Style, in which he, Art Carney and George Burns play three retirees and queens bored to death, sick of their lives, who decide to knock over a bank and then going
bared to death. Welcome glop listeners. This is the way. This is the way. So Okay, you're in a very weird mood here, Ron, I don't understand this. You're you're no ending me, You're no budding me. All podcasts are yes and exercises and improvisation. I don't even agree. That's the worst part of improv is the yes and yeah okay, because
I'm about to mute myself. So like, we had a dispatch meet up in New York yesterday, and it might as well have had a sub chapter of as a Glop meet up because there were so many people asking me about laps up, lots of people concerned how John is doing. I said, John's fine and uh one of the uh and and several people said that they were completely fine with the fact that we're basically turning into three out Thecaccas at Barney green Grass and I was just at green Grass. I rest my case.
It's true. It's funny because it's true, funny because it's true. I gotta I have a have an email friend who loves to play the game of did you spot this actor who's in the background of this movie? Kind of thing with it? And i' this guy for a while and he's a huge fan of glop. He just had bypass surgery and uh, and he came out of his recovery to email me to say, can you please tell John Pedora's that frank Oz is not the guy in the Blues Brothers who says
authorization to use extreme violence is granted or whatever. Frank Oz is the prison guard who checks out Jake in the beginning of the movie, and he was so moved by this that he actually violated doctor's orders. So he could have me convey this to you because apparently you said this on the commentary podcast. Okay, so we are we are we're crossing the streams and you are not across the streams. So Jonah, when he said this to you, did
he say, please tell John PRIs. I'm now going to look up who it was, because I think it was probably some other famous director because there are all these directors in the Blues Brothers that John Land has put in the Blues Brothers, because there's nothing more hilarious than a cameo by a director that really gets you're right there in the funny bone. To know that he was. So you guys talk while I look up who it was because it's how was the dispatch meetup? But I didn't get it. I didn't get that
in my as a dispatch member, I didn't. I didn't receive the invitation a few times in various products maybe we had we wet, you're not you're not listening to the products we get some the uh the it was great, great bunch of people gratifying all that stuff. Not the best plan all on
all because it was a debate watching party. Oh yeah, where like Steve and I didn't do our riffs until after the debate, So you're hanging around till ten o'clock at night, and people got there, you know, depending on you know, three two to three to four hours earlier, and and we got went past seating capacities. There are people standing all that time.
But we didn't get a single complaint from anybody. It was just it was just never going to do a debate watching thing unless we're on the West coast, because then the timing kind of works. That makes sense. That makes sense. Also until there's just a different bunch of candidates. How about that that would work too. I have really good news for you guys, because the name of the actor who played the police dispatcher is one of the great
names of all time. Though he is not a film director, his name is Ralph Foodie f O O d Y, and he is the one who says use of unnecessarily violence in the act has been approved. Ralph Foodie, we we I. I hope you're still alive. If you are still alive, we congratulate you on your brilliant line reading and on your excellent, excellent name. The Ralph Footie Ralph foot also the guy I just looked him up.
You know in Home Alone, where the Macaulay Halkin kid plays the clip from the Mobster movie, or the guy shooting people in the one in the Plaza Hotel. That's Ralph Footie. Ralph Footie is an indelible American performance, a man, a legend, and we are making him a legend as we speak. Not only I mean I'm learning so much here. Not only was he in Angels with Thirty Faces, he was something called which I've of course heard of, that's the James Cagney movie. But he was also I'm hoping
this was actually a sequel because they were just trying to monetize. He's also in something called Angels with Filthy Souls. Sounds like a child. We're talking about a timespan. This is a man with a historic career. Angels with Dirty Faces, if I'm not mistaken, was made in the late thirties, Brothers Blues Brothers in nineteen eighty and Home Alone too, I think like ninety
one. This is his career. Space the twentieth century. He saw nothing for the President of television and the telephone and space is how old a gentleman is he? Or is he has he already gone to his reward to the great. You don't feel like you'd know he would have thatched her in the sky. Yeah, where is his age? Let's see, Well you're looking that up. I found out. I want to apologize the listeners who are expecting a more exacting, factual repretage on this podcast. Yeah, all two
of you. Angels with fifty Filthy Souls is the made up movie that Oh, there we go, Angels with Filthy Souls. This cast list of the Blues Brothers. There are like five thousand people in the Blues Brothers. This is like a nightmare. It's like a needle in a haystack trying to find Ralph Foodie's name. So I'm gonna try it another way. But I looked at it. Ah didn't make it to Y two K. Yeah, that's that's really that's really sad. But he did span the twentieth century like a
colossus, and I think we need to pay him tribute. I think there are other actors with excellent, excellent names that we could pay tribute to as well. One of my favorites was a a Yiddish theater actor who then went on to be in the movies. And in Star Trek episodes perhaps more important. And his name was David Opatoshu, not open Toshu, but O, and he was like, I can't remember he was an elder or something on some episode of Star Trek, but he was. He was in Exodus,
and he was in various other things. And though his name sounded Japanese, he was in fact an actor of the Yiddish theater David Opa Toshu, who I think we deserves credit for having an excellent name. If he if he was in a store and you were in a store and you said, the guy is there, where do I buy an open to shoe, he would go, yeah, over here, no one of those I think exactly. He would say, well, you know, I need the sag minimum.
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so comfortable they are. Basically they have a right. I would just like to say that it's my belief that towards the end of his storied life, a life that spanned the twentieth century that had the highs of angels with dirty faces to the lows of angels with dirty souls, that by the end of his life, Ralph Foodie had achieved SAG maximum. I'm sure that's that's just I think something that we need in our memorialization of him. And unfortunately,
to be fair, there were probably some sag residuals. You know. See, that's how you yes, and right, I know how you do it. Yes, Oh, I know, I know. I'm familiar with with the technique. I just choose. Yeah, you're right, that's how you choose to neg. You just choose to neg. Like vivek Ramaswami, who chooses to nag by saying, don't let you Oh you let your kid watched TikTok. So I want to ask Joe, what is that really pissed me off? It was her twenty five frickin year old married daughter who had been
on TikTok. It was the lamest friggin' attack. But here here's my point in the annals of rhetoric. Okay, we have friends Romans country and lend me your ears. We have uh, those who are abed in England tonight will think themselves a curse that they were not here. We have. Let you know that was Let you know the government of the people for the people, by well shall not perish from the earth. And ask not what your country should do for you, but what you should do for your country,
and you're just scum. I believe Nikki Haley may have achieved Periclean funeral oration levels of immortality by saying you were just scum. I believe that until the day he dies, once a day somebody is going to go up to vivek Ramaswami and say, and boy, will he deserve it, and his campaign
slogan in twenty sixty will be vivek Ramaswami not just scum. It was a dazzling moment in as as we go into the decline and fall of the American empire, let it be said that Donald Trump's rhetorical destruction of the heights of American politics at least had this one glorious moment to it. When Nicki Haley felt free to call the vek Ramaswami scum on national television, we will take the news for both of them, he said, nobody was watching last night.
Do we have ratings? I got a they haven't been corrected, But the FLASHYG guy was that they were pretty low. It's interesting because they were the first one that was actually on a broadcast network like it was on It was on NBC. Broadcast Network and she won. So the so the first poles say, which I think is right. But it's Neilism time here on
the four thirty movie because who cares doesn't matter. Trump's gonna win. I don't know what they're doing there because neither of them, neither she nor DeSantis, is going to be vice president. I guess they're just spending the money they raised. Or maybe Trump will get hit by a truck and then they'll be left over and they can like run and see who wins or something like that. But I mean, come on, does anybody now think? Yes, I know people, I could make an argument. People are making the
argument that someone else can be the Republican nominee. Yeah, does anybody really believe it? I believe it? Yes, that would I bet, Like would I like to put my money where? Like? Do I think it's gonna happen? No? I mean I think he's going to be the nominee. But I'm not as positive as you are about it. I think there's a there is a chance. Non negative, I'll call it negative. But yes, I take your point. I mean I was saying too. Uh, I'm not as convicted as you are, as convinced as you are.
Yeah, you're you're shades of John Candy explaining if they had been in Germany he would have won the poker game because they're in Italy. Yeah, I take your point. Look, take your point. You know what is going to be big. But like you know, so like I've had I've made this point for a very long time about the Democratic and Republican parties, and we don't need to dwell on the punditry because there's so much more enjoyable thing
to talk about. But like, both parties exist because they hate the other one. So if if one party dies, the other party loses its reason to live. And it feels to me, like you talk to Democrats away from cameras, the certainty that Biden's going to be the nominee is not as there as you might think, right, And if Biden's not the nominee, I'm not sure that Trump is not any If Trump's not the nominee, I'm
not sure Biden's no nominee. I think there's this kind of like weird stalemate because sixty to seventy percent of the people of the American people don't want either of them to run and I keep going back to the Howard Dean thing. In two thousand and four, I went and looked at like, what the where the punitry was, including from you know, smart people like Stu Rothenberg.
They were all convinced Dean had it sewed up. And then a bunch of people in Iowa on caucus night were like, really, we really think we can win with this guy. I mean, I know that John Kerry is a human toothache, but you know he's got the military thing, and
they voted for John Carrey. Dean didn't win anything right until Vermont. I think he won, and so the psychology I still think can change, but we should be you know, I think, to be honest, he's you have to bet these that he has incredibly strong odds to be the nominee and he could win. It's I don't think he could win. Not that I'm saying that he will win, but I'm saying that the assigning this as a hey, you know, he could even win is the wrong tone, like
he has even odds to win. You know, if Christopher Pike were in the machine and eighty and rolling around drooling, that's Biden. So I don't know. I don't know. I'm in despair, beyond belief. It's obviously been a tough month. The war in Israel is taking it out of me emotionally. But I I look, and then I see every moment at which it's possible that this could be turned around, because the Democrats could say, oh my god, what are we doing. We can't run with this guy,
something has to be done about it. Then there's an election like there was this Tuesday night where they do okay, and therefore they say themselves, well, you know, we're kind of doing okay, and he's at the top of the ticket, and I don't know what message makes if he goes off the ticket, So what are we going to do them? Everyone says they don't want him, but they don't want Trump either, and Trump's you know, going to be convicted, and and so then that Diosex Machina of
the Democrats saying, oh my god, we're headed for disaster. Let's get this. You know, two hundred and seventy five year old crook out of our way isn't going to happen either. So, I mean, John, this is why I'm cutting myself. I mean, I know, I didn't know that you were cutting yourself and I'm sorry. I'm really sorry to hear it. I don't I think you need new coping skill. Speaking of coping skills, I can't pay attention to anything on tele because the war is consuming
the war and everything that's going on is consuming my attention too much. Is anybody watching anything that you can can can recommend because people need distraction. And the only thing I'm watching because I'm watching with my son is Loki, the second season of Loki, and it sucks so badly. It stinks at a level that a three week old fish, you know, left outside the Wayne Scott fish store would stink. So I'm just asking you, is there something
else that people might want to alas. I'm reluctant to agree with you about Loki because I want it to be good, but so far it's really it's it's not good. First season was good, so I guess you get good. Look six episodes. You can't complain you got six good episodes. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. But I will say my wife and I we are enjoying Bosh Legacy, which is the spin off from Bosh.
It's really not bad and on the train ride today back from New York, I started watching jen v Oh, which is the spin off from the Boys on Amazon Prime. Yes, and uh again not family viewing, but I'm you know, it's it's it's enjoyable and terrible in all the ways the Boys is. But I really liked watching The Boys. I love the Boys. So I this is just the problem of my my inability to to focus. So Rob, this is your business. This is what you do for a
living. This is the thing that you can break down like a molecular biologist dealing with, you know, micro organism. So isn't there something that you can tell the people that they nobly not? How about? Because that's the
only thing I was able to watch for ten minutes. I was just changing the channel and there was the scene on showtime of Hyman Roth and Michael in the hotel room talking about Moe Green and I my hand froze and as I was switching between CNN and MSNBC or whatever, and there it was like, this is what life, This is what makes life worth living. You hit The Godfather, The Godfather Part two, and you're like, what else is there? Like I don't really need to see anything else? Ever, this
is as good as it gets. But if you can't just watch those rob nothing, you got nothing. Well, I mean, I'm watching I have one more episode to go of the French thing Loupan, which I like. I don't like this one as much. But I also feel like the season of Lupan right because I watched the first and it was pretty good. Second season well, it's like the first season was sort of two parts and then this is like the third part. Okay, you know, I actually feel
like we watched too much. I think that this is when, when this stuff is going on in the world, it's kind of better not to have a TV on. I think you're not going to learn anything. There's no news on the television. There's nothing you need to know on TV. You don't need to stay abreast of any news. You can just catch up with it really every three or four days of the newspaper. If you want sitting quietly and reading the reading a book like a mystery novel is I think the
only real balm if you're looking for relief from this. The part of the the agony of all of this terrible news is just that we have to watch it all the time, and like I and where I said, and where
I'm standing. Sometimes I have to hear it because I'm not that far away from Washington Square Park and not that far away from the corner of the News School on Fifth Avenue fourteenth Street. So I often hear the young people who is for whom someone is spending tens and tens and tens of thousands of dollars for them to get educate, to get the college college degrees from NYU,
and the new school spouting inanities or a historical non facts. So the best thing to do is to could put on a pair of noise canceling headphones. I recommend Bose. They're not, by the way, a sponsor, but I do recommend Bose and getting a really great book. We all have books in our house right now that we've been meaning to read and we just haven't
read. So I am I'm gonna say that part of the ajitah and the anxiety and the misery is coming through the screens that we are now addicted to, that we feel entitled to and we feel like, well, I should be able to look at a screen and be able to see something that's relaxing and know all that has been that screen has been toxified and just pick up a book. If you're anything like me, you have a certain tency to put things off to the very last minute and be late with things. And
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every two hours. So Concordia University in Montreal, you never heard of it, thank god, and you should never hear from it again. So some kid calls another kid, a kike at Concordia University. And that's a three miles down the road. Three miles down the road. The previous evening, someone throw molotov cocktail at a synagogue in Montreal. This may not be this may not be accurate what I'm about to say, but I did see it
because I saw it on Twitter, so so it could be alive. But the most remarkable thing about the guy who killed the guy in California with a megaphone and the woman that you said that the kid at the Concordia whatever, that ridiculous universities. They were not students, they were college professor. She's a professor. Yes, yeah, So it's not about the kid. I'm just saying that the incidents themselves are coming at a blistering pace, you know.
But they'll wait, they'll wait a couple of wait, seventy two hours. My I'm gonna side with pod And you know, I don't normally said with pot on things in here, mostly because that's my role of the heel. But so I he used to use this analogy a lot when I was trying to explain to people why I made I made such a stink about Trump and what was happening to conservatism And I think it applies even better to Pod
than this. Right. So there's an episode of Spencer for Hire where Spencer meets this woman who's been a fugitive from justice because she was sort of like Patty Hurst type who got caught up with some bank robbers, and she was a fugitive because the security guard tried to stop the bank robbery and got shot and killed, and so she became a fugitive for homicide. Right our accom accomplished a murder. And she's like saying to Spencer, why did that security
guard have to get in the way. We didn't want to hurt anybody. And Spencer gives this little speech where he says, maybe it's because he took people's money for lots of days where he had nothing to do, and where he was there to be a reassurance and a security guard, an insurance policy against bad things happening, and he felt honor bound to do what was required of him when there was actually a need for him at the bank. Commentary
exists for this moment. We've been sitting on a stool looking for like examples of anti Semitism which have been around but like not worthy of, like freaking out about for the last ten years, and then this thing happens. This is the bank robbery that the security guard feels they have to get up. Why have commentary if not for this moment. We did publish several superb articles by you in the in the Get and Rob every month. No, but
you know what I mean. I'm glad you mentioned Spencer for hire because I don't want to talk about the show, but I would like to say that Rob is right that there are times when you are in desperate straits when you wanted just to sit down and sit down with like a mystery novel or something, and really those first ten or fifteen Robert Parker Spencer books, you are just not going to have a better time reading a And they're pretty good intact,
they are really, really, really good, and they're short, so they come at you real fast, and like this anecdote, it indicates they are morality tales and Spencer the whole point about Spencer is that he is the last moral man in a very corrupt Boston and he is always struggling to do the right thing. So they're very moving and move worth the reading. But
I do want to say, ask you this about all these analogies. So this stuff is just coming and coming and coming coming, And of course everybody in the Jewish community and probably other people as well, are like, what the this country was attacked? You know, five thousand people were killed or injured, and that ignites anti Semitism worldwide, Like shouldn't this ignite like sympathy? What on earth is going on? And I am telling you right now
we are going to be finding out over the next six months. And you guys know that I am the opposite of a paranoid, delusional person who thinks that there are connections between everything, but not the opposite. But yeah,
I'm pretty close to being I do not believe. I do not say secret networks, thank you, But stuff is going on here that was activated by October seventh, that has simply been happening too fast and in too many locations and with too much speed and accuracy and effectiveness for this all to have been spontaneous. I don't mean that, you know, somebody in gutter is pressing
a button and then a robot. You know, it's like call someone and says the woods are lovely, dark and deep and then they are robot tied in like upon and then they go Charles Browntony the world. Yeah, I'm just saying that this. For twenty years, there's been this world of leftist
activists. They have been building up their networks and their abilities to mobile each other with a phone call or a tweet or or you know, a series of tiktoks or something like that, and it is happening everywhere, and it is a dazzling example of why everything that has happened in the last twenty years is evil. I'm like, everything I want to think is good about the phone and the Internet and Facebook and social media. You can get information a
typical the touch of a fingertip and you can do that. And then the Lotites or the philosophical lot it's like Christine Rosen and others who are saying, no, no, no, that's all a bluff, that's all just the cherry on top of the septic tank. And I mean, what we're seeing here is really making that argument that we we are being we are being drawn into a larger world and being manipulated in this larger world by people who are
siding with eliminationist, genocidal monsters. And their goal is to turn it around and see that the victims are elimination as genocidal monsters. And it's not really working. The polling still shows seventy percent of American support is real, but it's working enough, and it's at least working enough to be pushing a lot
of people's buttons who are crazy. And then go out and while people are walking in to see a screening of the Horrors at the Museum of Tolerance in LA they're throwing punches at them as they walk into the Museum of Tolerance, like this is a new thing, something new that built off of Howard Dean and various other things has now come to fruition, and we had better be we had better start figuring out how we're going to handle this, because it's
going to happen again and again and again, and not just to Jews. So I agree with all of that to one extent or another. I do think, just to pick up on one point, I think it is fascinating this thing that you see all over the place about the what you mentioned this
screening, you know, it's this footage from the attacks. It is this bizarre thing where people are saying hamas was completely justified in what it was doing, that this was a breakout of an open air prison, and all this bs right, and that violence and resistance to set colonialism is justified in all forms. Blah blah blah blah blah. But how dare you say that they raped anybody? How dare you say they killed any kids? And how dare
you say that their own go pro footage isn't propaganda? Right? I mean they want to say that the evidence of what they're what they're refusing to condemn, is a lie. And it's this weird sort of we want to have it both ways. We want to say Hamas did nothing wrong, but how dare you, you know, point out the wrong things that they did. It's it's it's a weird tension, and the fact that they get away with
it at all it is kind of fascinating. It was remarkable how quickly it just like by October eighth, the biggest concerns were, you know, there's gonna be a lot of Islamophobia out there now. That was pretty much like if you say, well, you know, in October seventh, they kind of chopped people's heads off and they did all this stuff that pretty bad and they killed families like the Manson family Times twenty ran into like a, well,
that's islamophobic. It's all of the death. All of the defenses were so hilariously I mean hilariously in the dark ironic sense, I mean in the darkly comic sense, twisted and distorted that even even the language we may just walk by today was walking down and there was the big protests in front of the New School and just like even the language is just like this kind of elaborate, academic, ornate kind of language that that they the people in the
bullhorns, just that it's like it's like it's been scripted by some you know, AI machine. It doesn't sound you know, it's like when you get a junk man, you know, you get spam and it's like, clearly you know your count Apple has been compromised. Now must press and you know it all said like it's obviously some of you doesn't speak English has written this and is like trying to get you to, you know, give them your
password. It has that feeling to it doesn't feel like they're that they are really saying they know what they're saying, or they are saying anything or that they're any behind any of this. It's like they could point out Gaza on
a map. It's like a It's like a drama exercise. And I think that we've created that in this culture because we've decided that the most important thing for you to do is to feel and to emote and to share, because we've spent twenty years feeling and emoting and sharing and maybe shuting up and keeping silent is something that we should be encouraging. I like the Harvard protesters who would be the die in who complain that people were stepping over them and because
that made them feel unsafe. But I mean, you know, part of the joke here is that we've spent ten years talking about the threat of the microaggression. The microaggression is a very deep problem, makes people feel bad, makes them feel unsafe. By definition, a microaggression is not as bad as a macro aggression. You know what a macroaggression is. A guy in the
New York on New York City Street just happened just now. His protest is talking about the kidnap posters or something, and somebody comes and smashes a chair over his head for being Jewish. That's a macrogress. Guess what's worse the macro aggression. Guess what's worse Having a megaphone thrown in your face and then you hit your head on the paved and die. That's worse than someone in a classroom saying niggardly and then someone says, oh, I think I thought
you said the N word, and now I feel terrible. You should lose your job. Everything is turned around backward. The symbolic is more important to these people than the actual, The little is more important to these people than
the big. And it's like an attempted genocide was perpetrated in Israel on October seventh, and now the claim is, oh, there might be Islamophobia in America if things that there already was jewophobia active in five thousand people getting killed and wounded in a country of nine million, Like, this is not how you think about things, right, we don't. You're thinking about them wrong, and you're doing it on purpose in order to evade the meaning of what
happened and to suggest who is responsible. So it's like, yeah, go ahead, sorry, I mean I agree with it. I agree that I think two things. One, you know, I've been saying for a long time now that there's this view on college campuses, the campus left thinks that speech they don't like is violence, but violence they like is speech, right, and so that gets it some of this. But then the other thing is, I'm I mean, I agree with you. Macroaggressions, which is
another word for just violence. Yes, should be condemned in a free society, right, that's why we have criminal laws and whatever. But like, the thing that bothers me more in some ways is the inherent anti semitism of having two different standards for different microaggressions. Right, So if you misgender someone, that is violence. That is something that get you sent to counseling or suspended or whatever. But if you yell gas the Jews, people are like,
well, you know you have to understand the context. Was like you can't have like, can't have a master hard drive, right, or can't
say master bedroom because that's you know, evokes visions of slavery. But you can say we need to liquidate the Zionists, Like if you have a free speech policy on campus that says all forms of bigoted speech except for bigoted speech against Jews, all forms of triggering speech, accept speech against Jews, all endorsement of violence of any kind is reboten unless it's endorsement of violence against Jews.
Then you're by their own standard, the very logic of structural racism says that they are structurally anti Semitic. And it's just it's so glaringly obvious and it drives me to the point of distraction at times watching it. Right, And you know, these were interesting debating arguments for the last ten years, Like we had wonderful debates about them and interesting articles, and I published great
polemics on them. And Jonah has written a column a week practically on this subject in some fashion now for going on a decade, right, and it's all very interesting. And now people are getting hurt and killed in real time in front of us, and the people who were making these bad arguments are still making the bad arguments instead of going like proof, that is not what I meant at all, That is not it at all. Like I just meant that we shouldn't dubblah blah blah blah, but geez, people are getting
killed. I better stop now until things are And they're not stopping, they're accelerating, which is why I'm saying to you that there is something else going on. There is a meta structure, and I'm not again, not a paranoid meta structure where there is a puppet master controlling it, but rather a mindset that has been linked together through the Internet packet system to make it possible for there to be multiple in incidence of minor violence happening independently in forty cities
on the same afternoon. That is saying to my people, go inside and hide and protect your children, and take off your key pote, and take your mug and da VID and put it under your shirt in case somebody is going to come up and hit you with a baseball bat. Like this is not theoretical anymore. This is not you know, the kind of thing that only happens, you know, it's like plane crashes, Like, oh, you should fly on a plane. It's really safer than driving in a car.
And you're being irrational by worrying about it. No one is irrational in America right now, worrying that they might be a victim of anti Semitic violence if they are somehow identifiable as a Jew. And that listen to what I'm saying, that this is the case. I mean, I can't believe I'm
saying this. I ran and I went to a protest not protest for missing for the kidnapped people a couple of days ago, and on the line to get into the rally, I run into a very very left wing rabbi, very left wing, a woman I've known for a long time ran the JCC here in Manhattan, is a reconstructionist rabbi nice. Obviously, our politics are unbelievably dissimilar. And she's i would say, not good on Israel and has bad views on a lot of things. And I looked at her and I
said, how are you doing? Joy? And she said, I have never felt this way in my entire life ever. I am terrified. I have never felt this way. Like I may have said I felt this way, but I never felt this way before. And tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people are feeling that in the United States. I'm not talking about being afraid because Trump's a fascist and he's going to take the
country over. I mean, I'm walking with my kid and is someone going to come up and punch my kid in the face because he's wearing a T shirt that has Hebrew on it. That's what I mean. And I'm not
being hysterical. I mean I wish I were being hysterical. No, I mean, I'm sure you saw Tevy's piece in the Journal last week where he's like, you know, allyship is bubkis right, friendship is real, and like a lot of Jews on the left in particular, bought into this allyship that you know, we have to be allies to various members of the Coalition of the oppressed, and it's an identity politics sort of popular front, and
that's just in tatters. I mean, every liberal Jew I know and talk to or have heard from, they're just like, what how am I supposed to sit with people who are saying you have to hear both sides about people who murder babies and so has nothing to with It's like, the actual murder is the thing that it's supposed to be easy for everybody to condemn, and
it's really hard for some people to condemn. So I would just say one thing because people ask me this all the time, and our listenership, I assume is not a particularly Jewish listenership, and people are like, what should I do? How can I help? What a was going on out what can I do if you want me to help? And I have two very simple things to say to you. Don't buy into the tell a Jew that you'll hide them line. There's a whole thing I did. Would you hide
them? Would you you hide them in your attic? Like thanks a lot? You know that's nonsense, Like don't, don't, don't, don't be involved in that. I would say one practical thing and then one theoretical thing. And the practical thing is, if you are anywhere near Washington on the fourteenth of November, there is going to be a big rally for Israel for the kidnapped against Tamas on the mall. Go the numbers matter. It's going
to be very important for there to be a huge turnout. So if you are in the Virginia, Maryland, DC area, if you could take a road trip, whatever, go to this rally. It is really important. I hate rallies, I hate demonstrations. I don't like going to them. I don't like being in them. It's not something that I think is the way to do things. But it is important for there to be a visual manifestation of the force of American public opinion, which seems to be in this
direction. So if you can, if you are in a place where you can do this, do it. Go. It would be unbelievably welcomed by the people there. And if you want to show friendship to Jews or be an ally of Jews or whatever this is, and it's practical for you to do it, this is the best way to do it that I can think of, at least, you know, in the sound of my voice at this moment. And the other is get on these chains. It's so simple, and this is what the other side is doing. There are these organizations
that will ai chat bought letters to Congress for you. You just go there and you say, I want to send a letter in support of Israel, or I want to send a letter in support of the kidnapped or something like that, and you fail your name in and they will send five hundred and
thirty five letters in your name with one push of a button. And this is something that the Palestinian side has did the first week or the second week and scared the Jesus out of Democratic lawmakers across the country who couldn't believe the floods of calls and letters and robo calls that were coming in on behalf of basically of Hamas. But let's say the ceasefire or the Palestinian suffering or something
like that. There is on the other side. There are the same tools, and it will be very helpful to send them to your elected representatives, not only nationally, but locally and state wide, so that they know at least that the numbers that support Israel or against murdering babies or something, or at least equivalent to the numbers of people who are willing to send these robo letters that say the opposite. So I'm only I'm not a call to action
guy. I'm just I'm like, I'm a nurse, scenic intellectualist that's behind a desk. Don't listen to me about how to be a good activist. But this is what there is at hand. So some people like that and this is gold. That's cold. Well, I think we proved that that you can't be funny at this point. But you know, if you're a longtime listener, you know that I have been drinking agu one for I don't know, ten fifteen years. I started drinking it when I heard talking about
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the contempt that often deserves. So that's what came to mind, and I will start. Since it's my idea, you guys can then think of one otherwise. I would like to suggest the comedy Used Cars, made in nineteen eighty by Robert zamechis his first his second movie after I Want to Hold Your
Hand. Kurt Russell breakthrough performance after playing Elvis as one of the sleaziest used car salesman's on the planet Earth. And he is in a war with another used car lot in a town in Arizona that is even sleazier than his used car lot, and which used car lot is actually going to succeed and which is going to fail, and which one is going to run a foul of FCC communications rulings about what you can and cannot say in advertising to sell your
horrible jalopies that are going to fall apart the minute they drive off the lot. Kurt Russell ishilarious in the movie. It has an incredible turn at the end with a judge with the meanest judge in the world, who was played by l Grandpa Munster Lewis. This is one fantastic, bizarre, hilarious late seventies early eighties, America is going to hell and and handbasket movies, and I cannot recommend it enough. Okay, so the criteria was exactly what Black
Comedies just. I mean, everything is a dark comedy if you laugh, right, I mean I actually I find the movie Ordinary People to be hilarious. Okay, that's a good one. That's a good one if you want to see a hilarious shrink save a guy a kid's life by telling him how to feel. Yeah, and it is it is. It's not nice to your people, Rob, I would say, it's a very uh, it's not nice to your people either. Let's be quite honest with you, my people, savior people, even though we do so, it's very bad acting,
yeah, by Judd Hirsch. That is. There isn't a performance in Ordinary People by Judd Hirsh that is so bad. That is what it's. It's like, it's almost like he went to the uh, you know, the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art of Hamas. But you gotta what's amazing is that they asked him to reprise the role in Independence Day. Yes, and then and then the Bableman's like, we can't get away from him, and he was he was good on taxi and then look what happened to him.
Anyway, he was well. In everyone in Hollywood's defense, it's hard to find a Jewish guy talking about a Jewish actor. Really. Now Strike is over. Yeah, well it's different now, I know, so you can't think of a well no, I mean, I like, like I was. If we were having a different we were a different place in the conversation. I would say, like, I keep seeing that Harold and Maude is being replayed and I want to rewatch it, but I also don't want to
rewatch it. Yeah, I know, I will say. If you're just looking for escapism, I gotta say every year step Brothers goes further up my list as when it's on, I gotta watch it. I actually bought a T shirt the other day for the Catalina Wine mixer, so like does that is also, you know, this is the twentieth anniversary of Elf, which is a great movie. So neither of these dark neither of these black comedies,
I should know they're not black comedy made is a black comedy. I mean, I believe Jonah that once upon a time I found and sent you a shirt that said Oscar Madison for counsel. I believe you did. I did yes because of the Odd Couple episode where Oscar Madison runs for city council.
This is my kind of shirt because it's so obscure. Yeah, that it doesn't look like you're selling any brand, So I didn't tell you on the At the Dispatched meetup last night, there was this guy, good guy from Brooklyn, who first of all, he asked me to sign my books, which I was always happy to do, right, And then he brought He thought he was gonna like you didn't want to hurt Steve Hayes's feelings, so he brought a book for him, But it turns out he made a
mistake and he bought Steve Hayward's Politically and Correct Guide to the President, so
he had him sign that too. And then he was reading Patty Chaievski's autobiography, which he says is fantastic and it's got a great scene in it, apparently from seventy seven, because he was a presenter the year after he won the Oscar and Lynn Redgrave gave some anti Israel spiel and then that's a red Grave and he cut her down to size on stage, and so by the end of the night we got so deep in our cups that he asked me to sign that too. By the way, that is a great book.
And it's not his autobiography. It's called mad as Hell. Yes, it's by Dave. It'skoff who writes to The New York Times his biography of fascinating, fascinating book. I have to say, can I pitch a dark comedy? Sure? Because I failed? All Right, you're not gonna like how it starts. We're gonna have to give him notes. Go ahead, you're not gonna like how this starts, but you got to stay with it. Okay, Oh you're pitching. Pitching. I thought you were like, yeah,
I'm just thinking about it. Something that John said. Something John said earlier. You said, don't go to your Jewish friends and say I will hide you. And I wanted to break in. You were so passionate, want to break in and say, like, don't worry John, I won't
hide you. I don't have the room. I'm on the expectation of you and the guy in the In the first act of the Diary, Van Frank from the audience shouting she's in the attic so bad, right, just so, so, just say a guy hides his friend, yes, and his friend's girlfriend or wife, and then he kind of falls in love with a girlfriend and the wife, you know, like she's great, she's really cool,
but he kind of doesn't really like the friend anymore. See, now he's got to figure out a way to unhide the friend but keep hiding the girlfriend. And that's just the opener. I don't know how it goes, but I like that. It's good. Yeah, it's uh, it's got it's got some darkness to it, that's for that's for sure. And uh, but still got what we say in show business, we call it it's got the heart, got the ticker, It's got the ticker. I just
want to commend to everybody's attention probably tomorrow. We're recording this Thursday afternoon, so maybe you're not even going to be able to hear this until tomorrow, but everybody should go to commentary dot org and read Rob's Hollywood commentary this month, which is called the content moderation crisis and is that right way to get content content crisis right? And it's basically the rules under which Rob, as a Hollywood creative is now being asked to conceive of the TV shows and the
movies that the studios think they want to make for people. And it will chill your blood, it will crack your bones. It make you think that you will never again. You might enjoy it, I mean the piece you'll enjoy. The piece you'll enjoy. It is what Rob and his fellow creatives are being asked to fulfill. The mandate that they're being asked to fulfill. That is jaw dropping in its again, like end of all civilization right there on a piece of paper right in front of you, from the people who
command the heights of our culture. And it's a great piece. And it will be in the December issue of Commentary dot org online again like over this coming weekend, the tenth, eleventh, twelfth and thereby. So that's my relation, all right. And I will be, of course every day on
the Commentary podcast being even less cheerful than I was on this podcast. You Yeah, people have been telling me for a while now that I should listen to this podcast, The Rest is History, Oh, which has got what to say, Tom Holland, the British historian and another guy on it. It's called The Rest Is history. A lot of people I know really really like it. I finally started listening to it when I was in New York
yesterday. I started listening to the episode on The Blackout of nineteen seventy seven. And I'm sure pod will have notes on it because it's a little at points, it's you can't thisuish between whether it's a liberal perspective or sort of a British perspective or just a thirty thousand foot thing. But it's really good and it's got a lot of granular like stats and data, and the other show titles look really pretty exciting as well, so I'm kind of psyched about
it. And the only other thing I'll tell people is I am now going to be part of the starting standing rotation, so I won't be on every week, but Chris Wallace is gonna have a new show that's gonna be on Saturday mornings. We'll record on Friday evenings, and I'm going to be on it, and I'll be on it this Saturday on CNN. Actually, yeah, all right, I'm excited. That gives me something to watch that may not depress me as much as the other things made that I have been watching.
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to podcastlets, podcast debts, little mick podcasts, podcast light. You know, they're all like, well, this is a this's gonna be a little long one. There's gonna be two hours talking to you. But no, I don't do anything podcast seats, podcast eats. Yeah, now, bite size excellent. Well I missed that stupid app that just had movies on your phone for ten minutes, the ten minute movie at Quibi Quibi. Oh. I love that you were like the only person defending it when it was going
down the toilet. I wanted it to work so badly. I just think that I wanted it to create a kind of a movement for everything to be eleven minutes. Yeah, well, you like TikTok and the entire Republican Party just came out last night for the complete abolition. Not only should Hamas be completely obliterated, TikTok should be completely obliterated. So you are, you are and in this and as many in many other ways. You are. You are no longer in the mainstream of the Republican Party. Yeah, that that
should not be breaking the news here. So we will be back in a couple of weeks to be even further out of the mainstream of the Republican Party. See you guys later. Ready, Ready, this is gonna be uh I don't know if this is ladder ready three two one. If you're anything like me, you have a certain tendency to put things off til the very last minute. I can guarantee you that my commentary editors, John Fedor it's and uh At let me do it again. I don't want to bring Amy
to do this. Not fair. Three to one.