That's the author. The author is light, period. Wow. Yes. You know, the Bible says He's the indescribable light. He's light, period. And that's what we are connected to within that light, you know, is love. You can't separate the two. We tried to talk about light separate from love, and the two can never be separated. When I was there with the Father and Jesus, Jesus, the light was coming all for Him, and it was coming into me. It was coming
around me. I felt like when people sometimes say, Did He hug you? Everything about Him was hugging me. God promises in Joel 2.28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend for that promised outpouring, we equip for that outpouring, so that we may engage in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We are so happy and privileged to have our dear
friend, Dean Braxton, with us today. He's the man that we know, and there have been many, but he's the one that we know who has had a visit to heaven because he died. He absolutely died for an hour and 45 minutes, and he had an experience in Heaven that is going to be something that will change your life as you hear him talk. And today we're going to talk about things that he saw
regarding light and darkness. Thanks for joining us today. We're glad that you are with us, and we just encourage you before we get started, if you haven't already done so, that you would go to our website, globaloutpouring.net, and make sure that you have signed up for our email lists. We have several different lists that you can choose from, that for as much or as little as you want to hear from us. And if you're an intercessor, how you can get connected with our intercessory prayer team,
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so, so much for being with us today. Well, thank you. It's an honor to be with you and to be able to participate in this global outpouring. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. The Lord is about to pour out His Spirit in an unprecedented way. What happened on the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts is just a seed form of what God is about to do. Do I have that right? Did you see that in heaven? Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. So a whole lot more details than most people think about
in that moment. So, oh, please tell us. Tell us some more. You know, one of the things that I think a lot of times that you read in that moment of second chapter of Acts, when you know that pouring out on people, especially the 120, I believe it is, you know, one of the things that people don't realize that a lot of those descriptions weren't just air or elements,
those were really beings that were being sent from that realm down to this realm. And the best way they could describe them is to use things like fire, mighty rushing wind, but the reality of them, they were beings that were being ushered in. It would be like an entourage going before a great event was going to take place. And so, that was really one of the things that I experienced when I was with the Father in Jesus in heaven about that outpouring. And in any outpouring,
there's always going to be an entourage, heavenly beings before the outpouring. We may feel the wind, we may see the fire, we may even sense it in our body, but the reality of it, God just sent off, you could say, an army, an army of heavenly beings into that moment. You know, we're trying to describe that, or even in Acts, they're trying to describe that really all these heavenly beings
showing up at one time. That's different than we've imagined. Yeah. Yeah, when you read it now, you'll look at it and you'll think, whoa, this is, this is, and this is, and you'll find parallels with it in the scripture somewhere else. You know what I mean? And when he said, I'll pour out my spirit, remember he said he'd pour out his spirit. And so, we think, okay, just the Holy Spirit. No, there were a number of things that came along with that, because you've
got to remember, God is going to have an entourage. There's just not going to be God Himself. You know, that would mean Jesus had an entourage. We know that with the whole thing with the garden, whole thing, you know, when he was in the garden. And he said, my father will send, you know, what, 12 legions of angels, which is really 72,000 angels. Wow. And then people don't realize that wherever God goes, there's going to be an entourage with him. You know, it's not going to be by himself.
No, you know, the King has an entourage. Even when Jesus comes back, remember it says, when Jesus comes back, he's going to come back with an entourage. So most of us don't realize all those events that we hear about God showing up, there's an entourage with him. You know, what do you think about it? I can go one more place. When Jesus was being born, here comes a bunch of angels talking to shepherds. So there is always an entourage of beings. I call them beings.
They're being everything God created them to be, you know. And so, they're showing up in the moment that they're supposed to show up in the, when you say the details that they are in that moment. And so what I mean by that, whatever they're supposed to be do, whatever their responsibility is to do, they're doing it at that moment. So on that day of Pentecost, you know, there was an entourage that showed up. It wasn't just what people think, just some wind and some fire and things like that.
It was an entourage that showed up on that day. And that's what caused the ruckus throughout the city, not just the speaking and other languages, our tongues as we call it, but just, you know, I keep in my mind, I think about when the wise men came into Jerusalem looking for Jesus, didn't they have an entourage with them? They didn't come by them. We say three wise men, but the reality of it is if you really do the study of this morning, three people that showed
up, it was an entourage. It was caused such a stir in the city. I wouldn't God have that same thing happen when he shows up somewhere. So I get excited about that. So when you ask that question, that opened up that door for me to be able to explain it. Yes. Beautiful. Beautiful. Wow. Wow. That's some more questions here. Well, the question that has been on my mind, as I've been anticipating this interview, wait a minute, before I get onto that, I want to just
say something else. We know that you have been involved in a movie project. Yes. And it's called After Death. And it's been produced by Angel Studios, the ones who produced The Chosen and The Sound of Freedom. They made that one. And it's coming up into the theaters October 27th. And you are a part of that. Have you seen the whole movie yourself yet? No, I haven't seen the whole movie. They're doing a couple of previews, one in Utah, the one in LA. I'm busy those days,
so I'm not going to be able to do it. What I found out is I am in that movie. I have a part in that movie. I don't know how big a part or how small a part, but I have a part in the movie, which is okay with me. My thing is that Jesus is glorified. Yes. And that's the main thing that I want. The movie really is about people, what they call after death, which is kind of ironic to me. One of the people in the movie even said, you're more alive there than you are here. Exactly.
You're not dead. You're not dead at all. Right. But to get people's attention, we call it after death. And so that's what they called it and things like that. It was literally filmed in 2020. Oh, wow. And they went through it. And I think the unique part of it though is they did find people that had died and didn't go to hell when they went to hell. So you got their story too
in that. Wow. Which I think is really good. So I would encourage it for anybody to go out and see it, not because I'm in the movie, but because I really believe it's going to open the door for a lot of people to start questioning. There is something after this life on this planet. For me, I was born again, new Jesus Christ, the Lord and savior, and you heard it. I went where Christians are supposed to go. And so majority of the people that I know that are in this movie, they were all
Christians. They loved the Lord. And so their experience was one that was good, except for the people that did know the Lord. And their experience was really something that was bad. Yeah. You know, and so I hope that this opens the eyes of many people to start looking, to start searching, and to search for the right way, not the wrong way. Jesus Christ said, I'm the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me. Yeah. And he is the only way. There
is no other way. So as they go to the movie, I know my friend, John Burke, which is in the movie, he said later on him and the guy that Don Piper and him and someone else did more of an extensive movement towards Jesus. What I mean by that is the movie kind of like tries to get people to question. And then there's this whole question and answering piece that can come with it, that really is to say, Hey, it's about Jesus. Right. And so I was really excited to hear that
when John was telling me about it. Oh, I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that. Be in prayer, listener, be in prayer for this movie to make a difference in people's lives, that God will plow the hearts of the people that are going to attend this movie and cause them to come to the movie that they didn't even intend to go and see. It's important for people to see this and for their hearts to be prepared. I think that's a really important prayer request that I want to encourage
our listeners to pray into for this movie. It comes out October 27th. So regarding my first question, you said something about you're more alive there than you were here on the planet. And my question is, I want to give you the opportunity to describe what you saw based on a scripture. So many times we're asking you questions about what was it like or what did you see? Then we might say, well, what's the scripture for backing that up? But I want to give you a
scripture to tell us what you saw that will help us to understand the scripture better. Because I've been thinking more recently, I think it was Bruce Allen that said, we read the Bible to get to know the author. And so I really want us to zoom in on you met the father and Jesus in heaven. And he showed you lots and lots and lots of things and you're not even going to tell anything until you get a question about it. So I want to give you a scripture so that you can say,
here's what I saw about this scripture. So the first one that I want to give you is John 1, 4, and 5. In him was life and the life was the light of men. That's verse four. What did you see in heaven about Jesus that helps us understand that verse? In him was life and the life was the light of men. Well, you know, one of the things that I saw in him, okay, to really understand that life that he's talking about, it has to be mingled with love and not love according to human love.
Okay, this is that agape love we always talk about, but it's even deeper than that. I think we're very short in trying to even explain agape love. We may go through 1 Corinthians, the 13th chapter and say, hey, this is agape, but I see that as we're coming way short. I believe we can really experience it more than we can explain it. And when it talks about that life that was in him, you know, which is our life, it's talking about God Almighty, period, himself.
That God is infinite. There is no beginning and there is no end. And if you think that that's what resides on the inside of us, along with what resided on the inside of Jesus because of what he did, he became a human being. You know, God Almighty became a human being. And he died on a cross and paid the price for everybody on the planet. It didn't matter who they are, what they've done. It didn't matter if it was before he did that or after that he paid the price, period. You know,
the bottom line is to accept what he did. That's the biggest thing. Before him, there were people that accepted that this was going to happen. And they got, what do you say, brought into the fold because they accepted it. They were anticipating that Jesus Christ was going to die on that cross. And they were going to...so that's life for them. And then there's us afterwards. Oh boy, this is good news. There's us afterwards that we get the opportunity now to accept what he did.
That's the life he's talking about. That's the love he's talking about. You know, really, there's no way to, we say, pinpoint it to just one incident. I like what you said that Bruce Eiland said, you get to know the author. That's the author. The author is light, period. Wow. Yes. You know, the Bible said he's the indescribable light. He's light, period. And that's what we are connected to within that light, you know, is love. You can't separate the two. We try to talk about
light separate from love, and the two can never be separated. When I was there with the Father in Jesus, Jesus, the light was coming off for him, and it was coming into me. It was coming around me. I felt like when people sometimes say, did he hug you? Everything about him was hugging me. I went into the light. I was in him, and he was in me. I came to understand that to the fullness, because most of us don't realize who resides on the inside of us. You know,
do we think of it just a little? No, he resides within us. When I say that, Sharon, I'm not just talking about one little part of your heart. He's in your fingers. He's in your toes. He's in your eyes. He's everywhere within your body. That's what light does. It fills up a area. It doesn't just, you know, go in one little corner. I have light shining on me right now. They're shining on the wall and back of me. They're filling up the room. Think about it. Oh, boy, I get excited about just
thinking about it. Think about that light and the love filling us to the fullness. Now, we have the power because he's given us the power to cut it off. I can go over here and cut off one of these lights right now, and I can cut off a light over there, and it can be dark. You know, doesn't mean
we're cutting him out. We're cutting the light inside of us out. You know, one of the things that I'll share something, one of the things when I travel, I can literally now look at people and see light in them and see almost by the brightness of the light through their spirit of where they're at, you know, and there's some dark ones out there, very, very dark ones. But then there's some that
are eye bluish color or yellowish color. They're dimmer than they should be. Let's put it that way because they dim the light that was in them, you know, which always tells me they probably had some type of connection with Jesus at some time in their life, and now they're letting the light dim out. You know, like it's getting more dimmer and dimmer and dimmer. They're not saving energy. It is one of those lights. You know, it's literally them because of moving away from Jesus.
He's the power of that light. So, remember, when you talk about their scriptures more than just light like we know, it's love. And someone said, well, it's truth. Yeah, truth and love, light comes together. I remember, Diane, I remember I described it this way in the book, Deep Worship in Heaven. I love that book. That when he spoke to me, all of that was coming toward me. It came to me as a light, you know, even when he told me, no, it's not your time, go back, it came to me as a light.
And it's hard to describe in this realm, but the closest I can get, it would be like a beam of light just coming directly toward you, not a small beam, a huge beam of light. And I remember, it looked like it was going to engulf me. I was going to be surrounded by this light, and yet it came inside of me. And when it came inside of me, the first thing I felt, the first thing I experienced when that light came inside of me was this overwhelming, just love for me.
That I'm so loved and I don't care what anybody says, I am loved, period. That's the first feeling I could describe. The next feeling that I came was, I need to obey the truth. I need to obey the truth, not debate it, not have an option with it, but obey the truth. And then the next thing that came was, I was so comfort. You could say peace, but it was past peace. It's that peace past understanding that we read about in Philippians, the fourth chapter. But it didn't
engulf me from the outside, it engulfed me from the inside out. And I know I shine brighter because of it. I know that. I know because of that going in through Him to me, that I shine brighter. And that I shine brighter. And what He said, which brought that light was, no, it's not your time, go back. That's what He said to me. And that's not the kind of message you wanted to hear.
That's not the kind of message I want to hear. But the way it was delivered and the way it hit me was like, the closer I could come is, I used to be in the military, I've said this before, I knew how to take orders. But the orders I was taking wasn't a order like, oh my God, why did He do that? It was more like, why wouldn't I do this for Him? He did all of this for me. And I was just so grateful to be able to be chosen by Him to be able to do what I was told. Because I know what
I felt like He was saying, I need you there more than I need you here. And I felt like I was being honored by Him. And that all came through that light. So when He talked about the light that was in Him and the light that's in us, those are the elements that I can talk about with English. I love this. I really believe this is the light shining so much out of us that even when we go into a place, the darkness sees it. And when the darkness sees it, it has to flee. And I just
believe that they just know that they know that they know. Because darkness and light cannot ring in the same area. It just can't. So I don't see it happening, ringing in the same area. Maybe if the light goes dim, then you have darkness. But that's what that scripture really was downloaded inside of me. And that's a lot. Yes, it is. I have a question on the light. It's like the amount of light that's in you. It's like we hear believers, they'll walk in,
and somebody will react. And those that will react out of the love they'll feel. And there's those that are really demon possessed, will maybe go, you know, has a different reaction. But is it the degree of your light, the degree that the reactions that you get from the other side? Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. A great deal. You still have to be, I call it plugged in to the Lord. My light can go dim if I'm not plugged into Him. Let me get away from the things
that plug me in. There are certain things that I do. Praying is one of them. Reading the Word of God is one of them. Making sure things don't go into my head to corrupt things. Because you can have all that light coming in, then you have this corruption coming in. And it's trying to put out the light. And so you got a battle going on in that way. So there's a number of things that, yes, I'm with you Phil on that because the bottom line is that it wasn't what goes into a man that
defiles a man, but what comes out. And so I'm making sure what comes in is pure. So what comes out is pure. Amen. The old days, they called it being holy. The new days. Yeah. You know, so I hope that answered your question. I got excited about it. When you asked that question, oh boy, that was so cool. That was really good. Let me just, I wanted to clarify a little bit. So the scripture says in Him was life. Yes. And the life was the light of men. Yes.
So you made it very clear that light and love are the same thing. So are light and love and life all the same thing? Yeah. You know, when we talk about life a lot of times, we just think things are alive, but they cannot be alive without the light and the love. Okay? We say life, but you're not alive unless you have the love. You know, one of the things I came to understand is that true
death is separation from God. You separate from God, you're dead. You know, even Ephesians tells us that one time we were in that way, that we were separated from God and we're really dead. Even though we may say we're alive, but in the spiritual realm, you're dead. And what's more eternal? It's not the temporal realm that's eternal. It's the spiritual realm that's eternal. So in reality, we can't change it because we're so used to it. But the reality of it is
if you don't have the light, you don't have life. And life is literally love. And if you don't have love, you're dead. And where do you get true love? Now we can get human love, but human love is conditional. You've got to have the pure love, which is unconditional, you know? And so the reality of, because God's going to love you whether you accept Him or not, people don't realize that. He's not going to love you because you accept Him. He's going to love you because He said,
for God so loved the world. You know what I mean? He loved us even before He sent His Son down on the planet to die for us. Now that's a, what do you say, an example of His love, but He loved us beforehand. And love is to give us life. But you know, we have to be the people that choose that life. And I started out talking about life because to me, you can't separate it. There's no separation
in heaven of these things. Here on the planet, we separate, but there there's none. Even John, when he's writing that, if you think about it, it's almost like he's talking about one subject, then he comes around and talks about another subject, then he goes back and talks about the other subject, because he's trying to get you to understand. But in reality, I know he's saying
they're all together. For him to even try to separate it is like, oh, how do I do this? It sounds like double talk, but in reality, he's trying to separate something that's not separated. Amen. Amen. So when you got to heaven, even before you met the Father in Jesus, did you see like, like I've heard people describe it, that even the plants are full of life and light and love. Yes.
Everything. Everything is exuding light. It's exuding love. It's exuding life, because there's no such thing as death there. Yes. There's no darkness there either. And that was the thing that really got me. I remember coming back and thinking to myself, oh, I know why there's no darkness in heaven. It's because
Jesus and the Father light up everything. They're in everything. And so, when you're bright and you're shiny, there's no way, like I'm, you know, sitting at His desk right now, and underneath it is darkness. Well, if this desk was in heaven, there's no way there would be darkness there, because there would be light shining after. So there's no darkness anywhere. There's no dark
anywhere. Nothing's dark in heaven. I think, and I maybe have said this before to you, you remember Tiffany that did the stained glass windows that you see in churches a lot, you know? I think the guy was named Tiffany. I really think he had a vision or something of the light, and the best way he could say that the light shining out of, well, the Father shining out of things was to have those lights and they shine when the light comes from the sun or something.
That's the best way to describe. That's what's happening there. There's no darkness at all. Yeah. Yeah. You know, when we were camping recently, I was enjoying the early morning dew, the sunshine on the dew, and all these little dew drops. And I was thinking to ask you, I was thinking to ask you, was this God's way of giving us just the slightest hint
of what it's like in heaven where everything is shining? Yes, it would be that way. And if you think about the different colors that the dew would have, because, you know, it's being a prison, so you wouldn't have just one white light coming through there. You have all the rainbow colors coming through there, plus colors we don't see that are coming through there also. So yes, you know, I always look at those times, Sharon, and I said it in the book, The Worship in Heaven.
That's the time when the sun comes up, even just before it's getting ready, and all of life is given praise to God. I really believe in those morning hours that everything that is on the planet gets an opportunity to give God praise at that moment, even the dew. You know, we won't look at the dew as being alive, but the dew in the sense of what it does and how it vibrates me,
how it vibrates maybe, you know, and whatever it's doing, it's giving praise to God. Everything at that moment, literally, and I used to remember when I first came out of the hospital, I used to wake up early to meet that day almost, I did it for about a month and a half. You know, every morning I would wake up just to be able to be with all of creation to tell our Father how much we love Him, because I really believe that's what was going on at that moment. As the sun was coming up
over the horizon. Yeah, beautiful. And it's the light, you know, everything gets bright because of that, you know, and that's just the sun. Think about, you know, the Holy Spirit, think about the sun, Essoian, and think about the Father. Wow, I get excited just thinking about that. Amen.
Amen. You know, I'm remembering this contrast of light and darkness. I'm remembering the first time that we had a chance to have a conversation with you, and we were out in a parking lot in the hot sun, and Philip is holding a box of books for an hour before he put it down, and we talked for another hour. You mentioned something about how you dislike darkness. Yes, yes. Can you elaborate on that for us? Well, I came to understand when I was there with the Father and Jesus, and when it
came to light, like I said, everything was lit up. I came to understand we were created to be in light. We were never created to be in darkness. You know, darkness is temporal, and light is eternal. And so I came to understand the things that we should, what do you say, honor are the eternal things over the temporal things. And so I know that we look at the universe and we look at our stars and all those types of things, but the reality of it is all that's going to pass away.
Everything's going to pass away that's in dark. Everything is going to be in light. Now, what we have a hard time with is that, you know, the planets we see, we see them in darkness, but they were really created for light. Yes. You know, and so for us to, even the moon, let's say we see the moon in the daytime. Even though it's in the daytime, it's odd to us because we're used to seeing it at night. But the moon really, it was created, all of the planets were created for light
and there's going to come that time when there is not going to be darkness. You know, it's said in Revelation 22, it says that, you know, the father and the son light up everything and that day is going to come. But we were created for light. And I came back with a distaste for dark period, the night, still do, still don't like it. You know what I mean? And I almost feel like it's a waste of time, darkness. Well, I remember when you were here one time, we were having a conversation about how
everything began. Yes. And how Lucifer, who was the son of the morning and the one-third of all the beings that he deceived into coming with you. Correct. I asked you a question and I think I understood you to say that darkness became when God took the light out of them. Yes. That there was no darkness before that. There was none. And darkness, even in the Bible, we go through it, we find out darkness represents a whole bunch of things on the negative side. Yeah, they're all
negative. Not positive, but on the negative side, you know. Though I walk through the valley of death, you know, that really is darkness, you know, that word can be translated to darkness. The bottom line is that darkness was really a containing field for the demonic realm, you know, those that had rebelled against the father, you know. And so it's almost like a prison. And Jude, it says that, and then also, I believe in 2 Peter, it says that, you know,
the chains, that were chains being bound up. And that's what really took place at that time, you know. And so darkness, you know, is not, what do you say, represent the good. It represents a darkness period. It represents badness. And there's a number of scriptures throughout the Bible that point that out. And I just came to really dislike it. We were not created, you know, to know we were really created for light, not hot sun and burning up and sweating.
Right, right. But to know we were really created for light, you know, and it's really something, you know, most bad things are done, except, you know, I should say most bad things used to be done in the dark. Now, you know, because people are getting more profound with evilness, they do dark things in the daytime, you know what I mean? Those types of things. Yes. But reality of it is, and that just means, again, darkness is used as the opposite, really, it's evil, which is good.
And that's what they use the opposite of it is. So in the sense of darkness, I don't like it. I don't like the night. I don't like the thing. I know my friends, they love the universe. They get their telescopes out. They love, they would look at the stars and everything like that. And they're going to get that joy in heaven. It's just going to come a different way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I was looking at something just recently. They were showing
this black hole and how it had this spiral in it with light was in it. I don't know if you've seen that or not. That was really cool. And they were coming up, the scientists were coming up and saying, well, we always figured those black holes were twirling. We just didn't have the evidence of it. And I don't know if the black hole was twirling or just the light inside of it was twirling, but something was going on inside of this black hole that they saw. And I don't know if you guys can
look it up or anybody, but I thought it was really cool. And in fact, the way it was, it was there was like a pillar going up like this of light. And then there was a swirl going like that. And I thought, whoa, that is something. You know, it just sounds like the kind of thing God would do. Yes, it does. I really, I don't know what the sign is, to be honest with you. It might be one of those wonders he's talking about. There would be in the sky that we'll see, but I know it was a sign.
You know, I said, Lord, this is a sign. You're doing something here. Someone's going to come out and tell us what the sign is all about. So yeah, I'm reminded. I don't know which way to go. I've got two things on the same subject that we're talking about. Let's just go to Genesis 1. Yes. First of all, on the first day, God said, let there be light. Okay. Correct. He said the light was good. He did not say the dark was good. That's right. He didn't say the night was good. He said, he didn't
say the day was good. He said the light was good. He saw the light that it was good. Do you have any thoughts on that? You know, again, that darkness I know came about because it was a really was a sale for the demonic realm. And so it was to hold them in. So I could understand what everything there would be bad. It would be not good at all. And then the light, the thing that I love about that, that most people don't realize is I see it where God came and he incorporates himself, his light
around this planet to make it for the first four days. We don't have the sun and the moon coming out until the fourth day. So he literally, the earth was literally made inside of light before the sun and the moon came. And I think people don't realize that he engulfed the earth and turned what was in chaos, according to what the scriptures say, into perfection. Because it was perfected. This planet was perfected until Adam, you know, messed up and let sin come into it, which is death,
you know, and to the planet. And so, but at that moment, it was perfection. I was in a place where perfection was. I know what it looks like. I don't have to try to imagine what it looks like. I know exactly what it looks like. And there's nothing dying. There's nothing. There's no death. It's so hard to explain that to people on the planet, because even if I say it looks like the earth, they go out and you're not even coming close because we have so much death happening. And
I don't mean in a sense of just people dying. I'm talking about plants dying, you know what I mean? Deterioration. None of that is there. What does it look like? And so, saying that to you, God literally took this chaotic world, made it a perfect world. And, you know, for how long, I don't know. I can tell you in the Bible, it's to the third chapter. But however long it was, it was perfect. There was nothing wrong with the planet. And it's hard for us to even grasp that
there was that one time this planet didn't have nothing wrong. The good thing about it, it's going to go back to being that way. Amen. You know, God's, we call it a new planet and a new heaven, but God is going to go back and do some things to make this planet back to what it was originally created for. Is that good news or is that good news? Yes, amen. Wonderful news. That's wonderful. And so, in that time frame when he called the darkness bad, it was bad. It was bad.
It was, you know, even when I left my body to go to be with the Father in Jesus, and I went through that dark area I've told many people about, and I remember literally it was filled with demonic ground, the demons and things like that. You know, the good thing about it, I knew they couldn't touch me. There's nothing they could do. There's nothing they could do. They could do nothing there.
They could do nothing here. I knew that. You know, that's what it's like. The other thing that really got me is I listened, I could hear them talking about their plans and what they did and how they did things. It was interesting. You know, we call it deception, but they don't think they're deceived. They think they have the truth. So, you know, a lot of times when you talk to somebody that's deceived, you think, well, I can reason them into something. Well, you can't
reason somebody into something that they believe is the reason already. You know, it's, you know, only one that could really get through that is Jesus Christ. He did it with Paul. So, the reality of it, I say to people, when I went through there, that whole place was holding so many demonic beings. It was, there was a lot of them. Some of them were trapped there. They could not,
they could not go back. And others were going back and forth, back and forth. Now, I always say that there was a lot, but you got to remember greater is He that's in us than He that's in the world. We got more with us than we got against us. I mean, all kinds of scriptures tell us that. So, it doesn't matter how many of those demonic beings are there, we got more. AMEN. And not a little bit more, because only one third of that heavenly realm left. So, we got the others.
Is that good news? Is that good news? And our Father's probably still creating. DR. BELLAMY. At this point, when I was there, what we would call creation, it was mainly us on the planet. It wasn't so much that the heavenly beings were being created. It was us on the planet. Because everybody there had been, had chose to be there. And I knew that. You know, I was plugged into everything and everything. Everything there had already chosen to be there. So, if he had
created somebody, they had not had that choice of being here or going with Satan. So, they were there. But us here, us on the planet, we're being created all the time, and we're given that choice still, to be able to choose whether to be with Jesus or not. Because that choice is a foundation for that place there. And I say that because that's the love. You know, that's true love. God loves us so much that He gave us the ability to choose or not choose. Is that good news?
AMEN. Yeah, it's beautiful. DR. BELLAMY. I think people don't realize how powerful that is. But there, there was no one else. I mean, when you get there, you'll see. We could go a little bit farther with us and our responsibility. You know, we're not stuck there. You know, most people don't realize that. You know, most people think, oh, you go to heaven, you're stuck there. You got to stay there. No, God will still use us in that spiritual realm, even on the planet. You know, that old story of,
of it's a wonderful life, you know, in here. And I forget Henry or whatever his name is, the angel comes and helps out the guy, you know, that type of thing. I know it's a far-fetched story. People think about it. But in reality, He will send us down to the planet to do a lot of stuff. We become those heavenly beings a lot of times that people are thinking about in more ways than none. It's like Elijah and Moses when they came and talked to Jesus, the Mount of, what we
call the Mount of Transfiguration. If you really think about it, they were human beings at one time that were on this planet that went to be with the Father and Jesus. Some people say go to paradise, but in reality, paradise means paradise. It means paradise. You know what I mean? It means heaven, really. But the reality of it is, and then they were sent back down to talk to Jesus and give Him information. And at that time, they were messengers. And if they were messengers,
they were angels. And so because the word angel means messenger. And so that's hard for us to grasp sometimes because of our traditional thinking that we have. But in reality, we're still being used very strongly on the planet in many ways. And people don't like to say that because they'll say, ah, you're talking to the dead. You don't know that's a DC. And they're more alive there, like I said earlier, than they are here on the planet. So you get there and you find out that
you can be reassigned back to the planet to do something on this planet. You know what the reasons I say that, you're more alive there than here, there's no limits to you. Here on the planet, we're so limited because of this flesh. You know what I mean? It binds us in so much. And then there's the laws of physics on this planet that we are bound to. But there, you're not bound to those parameters any longer. So you get to experience life the way you're supposed to experience it
without the boundaries. And so that's one of the reasons I say that. So when you get there, God can use you in mighty ways that you never thought you could be used on the planet because of the limitations you have here with your own thinking. And that's number one, your own thinking is the biggest thing that gets you on the planet is your own thinking. But the reality of it is that you are there freer to do, freer, hear what the word said, freer to do exactly what God wants you
to do with all the abilities that you have that are limited on the planet here. You know, would you have Bruce Allen there and you know, he had that translation that he's talking about. Well, in heaven, people are translated all the time. No one has to be taught to. Right. We're just trying to do on earth as it is in heaven. Yeah. And the bottom line is here on the planet, we try to get there, we try to learn how to do it and those type of things. But there you're not even no one
says this is school over here, how to translate, you just go. I'm not saying anything against Bruce doing it on the planet because I believe that you can have it done. I know, I know it's happened to me at least twice where I was moved from one area to another area so quickly. And there's no way I could be in both of those areas at that time. So you know, that's happened to me before. So I know
it's reality, it happens, you know, but the reality of it is there. No one's teaching you that you just do it. Why? Because you already can do it. It's already part of you, but most of us don't realize it's a part of us. There's a ton of things that are a part of us, but we don't realize it because then we fight with our own thinking process here. So in saying that to you, that's why I say you're more alive there than you're more alive here, you know, but the darkness is evil. I'm telling you
right now, it's evil and just the way it is. But we can shine so bright in the darkness that evil has to leave, you know, and I found that out, you know, just by having this experience. Amen. Well, you guys are getting me really talking about some things I never. Good, good. I got another one for you. And I know we're going on a little bit long, but I I want to I want to go back to John one and take verse five where we started out with in him was
light and the light was the light of men. Verse five says, and the light shines in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not. And in the Young's literal translation, it says the darkness perceived it not. The NIV says the light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it. The new living says that the light shines in the darkness and the darkness can never extinguish it. The New American Standard says the darkness did not grasp it. Legacy Standard Bible says the
darkness did not overtake it. Amplified says the darkness did not understand or overpower it or appropriated or absorb it and is and is unreceptive to it. Give us your perspective. I can give you what what Jesus was talking about it that what he was telling me would refer to as really referring to the Jewish people because they were the only ones at that time that had the light that they thought they had. You know, the rest of the of the world really didn't
know that it was in darkness. But the Jewish people, because of the laws, we know that at least it was right and was wrong according to God's criteria. And so one was really the light and one was really the darkness. And so they had moved more into the darkness that when the light showed up, they couldn't even comprehend the light that they were supposed to know. Wow. So that's what was going on in that moment. Now, after that, the light spread and people started grasping it.
Even the the apostles had a hard time with the light. We know that, and especially one of them, because he betrayed them. But the reality of it is that that that light was really put into that place first. As we know, Jesus said, I came for the children first, the children of Israel first, and then to go out. But the reality of it is they couldn't comprehend what was happening. You know, that's what was going on there. So that's what he was talking about. John was really,
really emphasizing is you guys had the light. It'd be like today. I see it all the time, even with us that we call Gentiles. I see it where something new that God is doing and we can't comprehend it because we've gotten stuck into our traditions and our religion. And so whether we realize it or not, our religion and our traditions are dark. You know, what happens with religion
and traditions is they don't have life in them, like we talked about earlier. So they're not always growing, you know, and God's not a still God, you know, we say he's the same today, you know, yesterday and tomorrow. But the reality of it, it's just talking about how he approaches things, but God is a God of life. Even heaven is expanding. I always tell people, they say, what is it expanding in? I don't know. I can't tell you that. But I can tell you God is God of
life. So life is going to expand everything I see on the planet. If we were to take this building on me and not do anything, the bushes and everything will overwhelm this place because it's life. And so that's what you got going on there. So religion, our traditions sometimes stagnate
life, kills it really. It's like a, what do you call it, a pool of water. If it doesn't have something flowing into it, it's to be very, you know, first of all, it's undrinkable, number one, and you know, so it's not going to, and it can kill, number two, if you think about that. But the reality of it is you don't have that flow or that flow of life coming into it from a
fresh spring or something down, you know, earlier. And so, you know, that's what was going on. And when he was talking about that, the Jewish people at the time were supposed to be the light bearers. They were supposed to take the light of God and share it with all the other nations. And they got into their traditions, they got into their religion, and all of a sudden they stagnated and became dark, you know? And here comes the light coming on the planet and they couldn't
comprehend it. You know, they couldn't, you know that Sharon and Phil, you see it all the time. God is doing some wonder, you know, holy laughter. Remember when holy laughter was going out and everybody thought, oh, this is really of the devil and everything like that. And yet the scriptures talk about it and the joy of the Lord and how you're going to laugh and everything like that. And even talks about how you're going to have some uncontrollable life because of the joy of the Lord.
You know, but people took that and they couldn't see it as light. They saw it as darkness because of their traditions and their beliefs. And they couldn't see it. Even today, you know, you can come to some people and give them the facts about something, but their traditions and their religion says, no, I have a person in my life that every time something goes up, she says to me, we're Baptist, we don't believe that. We're Baptist, we don't believe that. You know what it'd be?
She doesn't say, we don't believe it because it's not in the Bible. She says, we're Baptist, we don't believe that. Do you understand what I'm talking about? And so that's the darkness, if you think about it, that's darkness. There's no life in that. And so if light shows up because it doesn't meet the Baptist requirements, and I'm not getting on Baptist, I'm just telling this one person says this, you know, she can't even see the light. She cannot see the light because it doesn't
meet the Baptist requirements, you know? And so I don't want anybody to get on me and say, Ding, you're talking bad about Baptist. It doesn't matter. It could be charismatic people, you know, it could be Pentecostals out there. It could be anybody out there when they get into their traditions and their religion, belief system, and they don't care. They just don't care. And then here comes the light and the light comes along and they're having a hard time with the
light. I see it all the time. And you know what the greatest thing about it is? Me and you could go somewhere where they're supposed to be dark. You know, like I was in Switzerland and Finland, and it's supposed to be pretty non-religious, you know what I mean? In the sense that, you know, the state church is the Lutheran church and I'm not getting on Lutheran, but I'm just telling you,
the state church is the Lutheran church. And yet the overwhelming response we got from people is because I think we show so much light and within that light was a bunch of love. And because of that, they came and you would say those were dark countries and yet in reality, they responded to the light, you know, where religion, if you think about it, think about it, you know, they could not comprehend it. But the people outside that were supposed to be in darkness
could comprehend it. Is that something? It's beautiful. They have with Jesus, even on the planet, when He walked, you know, the religious people rejected Him. You know what I mean? But the people that came were outside of that. Remember that? We got so many stories on that. So that's what it was really, Jesus downloaded that inside of me, you know, that that was talking about the Jewish nation as a whole with their religious belief system.
That when that light came in, they were blind. They were blind. I don't mean blinded by the light, but blind. They could not even see the light. Yeah, I get it. You know, that brings home to me, like we said earlier, maybe we said it when we were talking about the details that God is in, that He came to be our Savior in a time when the religious hierarchy was people that didn't belong there. They weren't legitimate, but there had to be somebody in that office that was dark enough
to crucify the Lord of glory. Yes. Yes. It had to be. And, you know, part of the anti-Semitism that is in our churches and in the world is saying, well, you know, they're just Christ killers. And it's not that it wasn't the common people that did that. It was somebody who was in that position that was there illegitimately, but there had to be somebody in that position to do the sacrifice
of the King of glory. He had to be that sacrifice lamb for us. And so, you know, I want to just say just throw off that anti-Semitism that is in the church that people have had this wrong understanding of, you know, the Jews this, the Jews that, you know, and anti-Semitism, that kind of thing. It was planned by our Father. I mean, it was allowed by our Father that this system of darkness had to be put in all of these traditions and blindness had to come on them so that they would
crucify Him and make life for the rest of us, make life for all of us, all of us. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And that's a blindness or a darkness that, you know, you just talked about, you know, the scales over the eyes, you know what I mean? Yeah. Those things are there, you know, in the sense God's going to use those things to advance His kingdom. Absolutely. I'm not going to say He causes those things because He gives us the ability to, but we're going to go in doing something
like that. God's going to say, okay, I'm going to do this to still have my kingdom be advertised or out there in that sense. I don't know how many times in my own life I get an opportunity to be in a place that you could say people have scales over their eyes and then not say something. And I'd be very careful because I want to say what God wants me to say, not what Dean says. And I'm thinking, oh boy, that was a, I'll give you a good example. Recently, I was in a church
and the pastor there told me that they saw their husband breathe his last. Well, you know, I teach the spirit leaves and then the body dies. So, what you're watching is the body struggling without the spirit. And I'm in this church and I'm thinking, you know, I got to say something and I say it out loud. I say it in front of everybody because the Holy Spirit says, I want you to say it. Sometimes He tells me they're not ready, don't say something. But in this case, afterwards, she comes up to me
says, I knew he wasn't there. I knew he wasn't there. You just confirmed what I knew, but no one had told me that. And I knew my husband wasn't there even though he breathed his last. I knew he wasn't there. It didn't look like him. It didn't seem like him. I said, Lord, you are so good, you know, because she had that blinders over her eyes, but God showed a light that literally could
open up and she saw it and it freed her up. Does that make sense to you? But I didn't know that he was going to do that, you know, at that time, just like when he had me be in that Unitarian conference. But that lady comes all the way to where you guys are and recommits her life back to the Lord. You know, she's serving the Lord to this day. I was in San Farrell recently and two of the people that know her go to the same church she go to now and she's serving God in a
miraculous way. But that was again, God showing that light and she came to it and she was in darkness. You know what I mean? But it wasn't the darkness like what Jesus was talking about there because, you know, the Jewish people were supposed to be the most enlightened people at the time when it came to God's ways. And yet they were so dark and they were blind that they couldn't see the light, the true light. But, you know, the good thing about it is God never gave up on him.
You know, he never did. Even when Jesus walked on the planet, he didn't say, Jesus, now look, these people are too dark. I'm going to have you go over here. Now people came from different the Samarians and some Gentiles came to him, you know, but the reality of it, he didn't never send them away from the Jewish people. People don't realize that. All the way up to the end. He stayed with it. And even afterwards, he wanted to make sure there was some grounding with them before he
spread it out. Is that good news? Is that good news? Yeah, absolutely. There's always been a messianic movement. Yeah. Always. Is that good news? I'm just excited about that because you think about the day of Pentecost, you know, yes, the entire world got impacted by it. But when that entourage came, it was for the Jewish people first, you know, to bring them, because all those different Jewish people from all over the world. Right. Right. They were all Jewish that were there.
Yeah. All of them from all those different nations, they were all Jewish. And then where did they go? They went back to the different nations. Exactly. And they carried the light. They carried the light, you know, at least even if people would say, I don't know, but now it's out there. It's almost like having social media. Yes, absolutely. Once it was released and they went all over the world, it's out there now. Yep. Yep. And it can go faster because of social media.
Oh, man. That's exciting, ain't it? It sure is. So speaking of media, let's just go through the fact that you have books on your website, or they can get them through Amazon. I think we even have them in our website. I'm not sure. I know that we sell them. Your book, In Heaven, and Deep Worship in Heaven, and What It Feels Like to Die, and your wife's book. A Woman's Stand. A Woman's Stand, How She Stood and Prayed, even though it looked hopeless. And she prayed and she wouldn't let
anybody in to say anything negative. If you're not going to speak life, you can't come. Don't even bother to visit. And I think there's a coloring book as well. Yeah. You know, I need to there saying the king. And then there's also the Spanish, you know. We did it in Spanish. And so those are the books. I'm in the process of writing What It Was Like to Meet Your Family in Heaven. Oh, God. I've been working on that book for a while now, but it's exciting because God is really
opening up some things for me. Did you know? Well, I don't know. We have time. I can't go there. Take it, take it, take it. Take the time. You know, the Jewish community, as people don't realize, really represents so much about Heaven. I always tell people it's not a Jewish custom, it's a heavenly custom. Because most people think of it as a Jewish custom, but it isn't. Because where they got it from is from Heaven. And yeah, they added some things, don't get me wrong. But the
the foundation of everything that they do is from Heaven. So if that's the foundation, then that means there's a model in Heaven, or better yet, the models here, the originals in Heaven. And so one of the things that God has done is around family. And look at how he did the family for the Jewish people. You know, we say Jewish, but we know there were the 12 tribes, you know. And
those 12 tribes, we call them tribes, but really they were families. They weren't, you know. So if you think about it, we have Israel, and Israel then has these sons, and Joseph's two sons, I mean, were part of the 12 tribes. But he has these sons, and now they're family, really. And he divides them. Oh boy, people don't realize this. Each of the families had their own specialties. Yes. Yeah. You know, we know about the Levites, because we know they're the priestlyhood and
everything like that. But every family had a specialty that they were good in. And that's how Heaven is. That's how Heaven is. And when we get to Heaven, we're going to hook back up with our families. And we're going to be able to do the things that we're doing in Heaven from a family point of view. Yes, individually. But if you really think about it, it's going to be a family effort. The closest I can come is again, going back to the Jewish people and how they served in the temple.
And they served in the temple as families, you know, in their lot or in their order. And their order was always families. And so people don't realize it was families that served in the temple. And they were lotted, not just men, because some people say it was just men. They were lotted with women and children also. So this whole thing about family is really broken down on how we will socialize in Heaven is really found within the nuances of the Jewish community, as I say, if you
look at the basics. Okay? Wow. That's fascinating. And people don't realize that. So he's given us a model of how we're going to do things there. But he used the children of Israel to be the model. Is that cool? Is that cool? That is so cool. I want to talk about that some more another time. And we will. We will. I don't know just when God is going to make the way for us to do that, but we will talk about that some more. This is fascinating. Yes. And I just want to mention
again, the movie After Death that is coming out into the theaters October 27th. And looking forward to seeing what God does there and praying into this that God will plow the hearts of the people that are going to come there and that He's going to draw people there that weren't expecting to go there. They were thinking they were going to go see something else and they just are drawn to go and see this after death. Maybe they've lost a loved one or something and they want to know more.
And they're just going to be drawn there. So we're praying into that. Before we go, what is your website? Website. Thank you. What is your website? It's just deanbraxton.com. Okay. That's the website. I will tell people to watch out for our email. It's having some problem. It's like we can receive messages, but we can't send them out. So I'm going to give a different email just because of the one we're having. We've been trying to fix it technically for about two
weeks now, but it's deanmarylandbraxton.msn.com. Okay. So the email that we have on the website is having technical difficulties that we don't know why. Okay. All right. Well, before we go, would you please pray for our listeners? Father, thank you for each and every person that's listening. This has been so good. You really, yes, showed yourself strong today. And the things that were said, everything that was said was to help people move from darkness into
light. If there's anyone out there that's in a dark area in their lives, even if they don't know it, show the light upon it so that they can literally see the opening, you know, what was going on and that they can move out of that area by that opening that you showed them. I thank you in the name of Jesus. Amen. Amen. Give out more information, read our blogs, connect with us and donate. You can also browse our web store for life changing anointed books. Until next time, This is Sharon Buss.
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