S2 Ep25: Takes New York with Jonathan Van Ness

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I can't, but uh my brain just broke. How many times have we met Caroline? No. Three. It's gotta be eight.

It just feels like that to you.

No, but we I came to your office at least

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wise. Yeah, three. I think it's not third time.

'Cause I the'cause the coffee, you know that we talk about your coffee. Yeah, Lulu's coffee it's like Yeah.

Her favourite story when you came out and you said, Lulu, I'm sorry, but could I please have another coffee again? And she went, Oh, thanks, Jonathan.

Yeah, okay. But that is like the best. It's the b no no but I don't know what that is that like a is that like a handmade machine? Is it like a British Cyrus?

It's like a Nespresso and she just whips things up for people, I don't know.

But I'm so happy to see you in real life. Is it our first time seeing each other in America?

Yes. In New York.

Okay, I have a question, not to like start right off the bat.

Okay.

So obviously you know that I'm obsessed with the fact that you spent some time in Mississippi living

You are very obsessed.

We talk about it every time and I'm incomplete unless we do talk about it. Okay. So do you like I'm from the Midwest, so I come from central time zone. I do feel like a little bit more plugged in in the central time zone. How do you feel when you come to American time considering that you spent f five to ten, right?

Yeah, yeah.

So like and that was kinda like you know, they say your psyche's made from when you're one to seven. So some of your psyche was like literally made in Mississippi. So how does your like how does your like um

40 o'clock. Yeah.

How's our Kidding rhythm here feel here?

Acadian rhythm is good in New York. Uh huh. I'm good here.

Is Mississippi on East Coast time or Central Time?

I wanna say it's the same as New York, isn't it?

It is?

Yeah because it's down and over.

It's crazy how like Michigan, like parts of Michigan have East Coast time, because you would be I'm like, I feel like that's so like far in the middle. Yeah. Yeah, the East Coast time is why.

Yeah, no I'm good, New York is good, but doing LA to London the jet lag kills me, I can't.

There is something about it LA to New York jet lag, especially. This isn't that funny. But I was like brainstorming things for the sh my show. And I was like, my stand up and I was like, what is it about like? Four and seven PM. Like four PM to seven PM is just so different. And like when someone calls me with like a JVN hair thing at like seven o'clock East Coast time, but they're like maybe in a lace still in work mode, I'm like, I'm already in my jammies.

Yeah.

Like I'm done. Yeah. It's a literally seven o'clock. Yeah. What get your four thirty energy away from me.

Yeah. Get your end of day hustle.

Yeah.

And take it home.

I'm already like an hour and a half deep into Fortnite with my fuzzies on and I need you to get out of my

Do you who? No, of course I don't game.

Why?

Because I'm fifty five years old.

I'm thirty-seven and I don't think that that precludes us. In fact, there is this granny gamer. No, there is this granny gamer who's like seventy something. And she is taking these little fuckers out. Is showing these little shits on Twitch. No, this lady, like this granny gamer lady, she is that bitch. And that could be us. Which we play it.

So Max is the gamer in the family. So Daniel games, I think Ben might do a bit, but but Max is the main gamer.

Yeah.

I think so.

So Caroline, it's like a bonding thing. You should do it with him. Will you please try it this year once for me? Once. Have you ever sat down to try it once?

No!

I think that you should r I really think we grow and we're uncomfortable. And I don't know why this is coming on so strong for me. I see you playing with your nail, your body language is saying I want to move on from the games.

Oh I'm playing with my long nails'cause they're all gonna be cut old.

So good. I love your buttons.

Very adell.

It's also like the cranberry is gorgeous.

So when we went to Adele to digress again'cause we both have ADHD, so we'll just go. Uh we were in a certain row and

Really good scene.

She knew that the Londoners were sitting in that row because we were all doing the guns, and the English were like, We could have. Fingers, we do the guns. Like a Del does. You know a Del does this. It's uh we do the guns.

That's probably because you guys don't have to deal with them in your day to day lives as much, so it's like cute and like

Not okay.

Whereas we're as we're just like

You can be like this in the street and be like and you're not actually making a threat to someone.

We have this gay friend who we love named Adriel who invented this dance move that I'm obsessed with, and it's almost a hybrid. He calls it right angles.

Yeah. Ha ha.

To the beat. It's like a we could have had it all or you can like double time it, but it's uh like you can do it big, you can do it small. It's like right angles. I li I right angles always comes up for me.

Okay, great. Well I was just doing guns. I have no idea what we were talking about before.

We still

Mississippi for I'm not playing Fortnite, Max

Why can't you try a one?

I'll try it once.

Just try it it's like it's really fun.

Okay.

Do you even know the premise of it? No.

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If I gave you a thirty second recap of the premise of my favorite Fortnite game, would you listen or would you just like listening. Okay.

If Max reacts though, we're gonna have to do that.

I wanna give it a God honest pick. But I want you to be like in an open place.

If he doesn't answer this call, he's gonna be absolutely

A literal expert, and so I just know that like when experts get their like ideas, they just it's hard to move them. So I need you to be in a receptive place. When it cov This is outrageous.

Neutronic.

No respect. No. No respect.

Answer the phone to your mother.

the people who have just literally make their lives possible.

Literally Daniel let's see. Daniel will know. Daniel will know. Let's see.

That's what I think about it.

Ah Daniel will always answer the phone. Hey babe. Where uh I'm with JVN.

Poi. Yeah.

Does Max play Fortnite? She does play Fortnite. Do you play Fortnite? He wants to know. Oh just checking'cause Jonathan is trying to persuade me to play Fortnite. You no, babe, don't it don't let me with JVN interrupt what you're doing. Please carry on.

'Cause I'm Steve.

I know, I get that.

Steve.

All right, I'll go. I was just checking if Max played Fortnite. No, we're filming the podcast. I thought it would be a quite a fun interlude and now it's taking far too much time. So I love you. Thank you. What is Max's main game though? What does he play all the time?

But everyone really likes that.

Right, I'm gonna go. Love you.

Darling, don't worry. We love you.

I will forever think of what could have been though.

Okay, so there's a there's this island and there's this bus and the bus drops ninety-nine people off from all over the world. Like there's literally people playing all the time from all over the world, and like per game there's like ninety-nine people. So you basically dr get dropped on this island and you have to like go gather as many like guns and like there's like guns, shield, health and then like things that help you move around faster. So like you can hold like five things at a time.

If they called it. Menopausal rage.

You can express your menopausal rage on fucking Fortnite.

Really need to because now I'm postmenopausal, I'm on fucking great HRT and I'm happy all the time.

I just did an episode about getting on getting curious about menopause. It hasn't come out yet, but I just learned about it and I learned all about HRT. And for it and people'cause you know what I learned from this like cool British Louise. Do you know Doctor Louise Newson? I literally sat her on getting curious. And she was you know the thing she taught me about menopause, I didn't know that I think it's so interesting.

Do you think I know? Get on your HRT.

I love how you guys say hi. You guys say H like it's spelled A-I-T-C-H. But H is really just spelled H, darling.

Like what? Why would you spell H?

H. Like that's like the only letter of The letter H is not spelled A I T C H darling, it's just H. You guys really do. Oh yes it's kind of H A I T C H. What do you think about it?

Uh uh somewhere but it's not anywhere in England.

It's not It's two all over the no it's it's two all over the place still.

Shit, that's a great point. No, it's not as bad as Who was the guy in Oceans Eleven who pretended to be the black guy and he talks like that, all right, brother? And you're like, oh my god, this is a

Shortmind's like really not that good.

It's very good.

Shit.

I feel like my southern would be better than yours.

English because you live there in your formative years. If I had lived in London from the time I was five to ten, I'd probably come out here with like a banging British accent.

You would.

That southern accent was really good.

No, Bernie Mac's brilliant. The other one is

With all the girls.

Ocean Z.

Yeah, that's my more fave. I love Sandy.

But she's explained the whole world to me of what type of lesbian I am.

Which it would be lipstick. No.

Uh

Oh, what are you?

I don't do skirts and dresses.

Oh, so are you like soft butch? I made a new name for her. Which is Lip Balm.

I'm not a chapstick, but I would drive a fucking truck through a man, so yeah.

Uh if I was a li a a lesbian, I think I'd be like a full diva glam lesbian.

You'd be full D Viglam lesbian.

Yeah.

I can do full glamour just not get I'm not wearing skirts and dresses.

Oh my god, I would have so much fun if I was like a full Glam lesbian.

This is not where I expected.

Oh my god, that would just be like maybe.

Half the time I think

Whatever type of gay people.

Half the time I think

I'm a

gay man trapped in a woman's body because I still I like men but I am masculine but I'm not a lesbian. I'm excited.

Yeah, and I also love your volume of your hair.

I mean, yeah.

Which also comes up for me as like a game man'cause I feel like we also like volume.

have to have big hair. If my hair's flat, just tap me out. I'm gonna put it in a bun and make it big in a bun.

Oh yes. Okay, I'll th I'll make a note of that for tomorrow. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm gonna we're gonna go back we're gonna go Okay, do it we're doing it.

We're talking about absolutely nothing that makes any sense as always, which I love.

Oh where are we on where are we on?

We started with glad we had this chat, but I started with how are you? What's happening? And then I don't even know what happened, it went from there. The dyslexic lesbian.

Ha ha.

Don Chadell. That is gonna be my favourite, Don Chadell.

That is a great podcast. Look, I'm great. I am uh when I say great, I mean that loosely. Yeah.

It's been a lot.

Yeah. We've had a year. Yeah, we've had a year, but we are optimistic. We are we're excited for what's ahead. Um We won the Women's Olympic Team Gymnastics Final this year, which was great. Simone really gave it to us this year. Um Sunny Lee gave it to us this year.

Actually, like rugby.

Oh my god. She put But I literally like not to name drop, but I met Suny Lee at Heidi Klum's uh Halloween party a couple weeks ago.

you cope? I'll just pick those names up for you.

This is what I did.

What did you dress like?

Uh I was Samantha from Bewitched.

Oh

And Mark was enjoying it.

It was brilliant!

Did you like it?

It was brilliant. It took hours. It was phenomenal.

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And I was like, This looks really and I grew up watching I got home from school in Mississippi and it would be Brady Bunch Bewitched, Bewitch Brady Bunch in that order. They were on two episodes, so I'd watch all four episodes. That would take me two hours ish and then my dinner would be ready.

You know what my nicknick night was? It was I Dream of Genie, Bewitched, Munsters. Oh, that was my lineup.

All of that.

So good.

Some nostalgia.

He is so good. I love Bewitch and Mark loves Bewitch. Marky always likes to explore his like inner woman for Halloween. So he always lets to be.

Yeah,'cause Mark isn't a heels and a dress man.

But on Halloween he's like, I wanna be Ab Fab. I wanna be Andorra, I want a wig, I want heels, he wants face tape.

So you were Samantha in Andorra? Yeah.

And we were so cute and we had so much fun.

I mean Heidi Klume, how? That fucking is

Nicole Scherzinger, right before we all found out she was a Republican. It was like, it was like

Do we think she's a Republican because

Girl, you are not liking. I am sorry.

She liked the hat from Russell Brand number one. That was my red. Really anyone in the US really believing that Russell Brand has found Jesus, because I tell you this now, there is not one fucking person in the UK who believes this fucking piece of shit has found God. Look.

Look, I look like I like to make this joke in my show, I look like a seventeenth century Italian Jesus.

Really do.

I also grew up.

all just like

Ultra conservative Christian spaces. Yeah. And the idea of a born-again Christian or someone who has found Jesus is really pervasive. Yep. It's really powerful. Um, you know, being forgiven for all of your stuff and like letting that old person go. This is like A really powerful idea. It's a really powerful idea.

But it's not big in the UK and we do not believe you, Russell.

So here's the scary thing about America though. I not to keep talking about my podcast, but I I did an episode of my podcast on like environmentalism and faith. And it was called like Can Faith Move Mountains? And I interviewed this scientist called um Dr. Uh Dr. Chonggyalpa, Tequila Chonggyalpa. And I need to I hope I that that name is right, but I'm pretty sure it is. But eighty percent of people in the United States identify strongly with a faith or their religion.

Amen.

Every sort of different way. Well a lot of them did, but fifty two percent White women voted for fucking Donald Trump.

And I cannot get my head around it.

I'll tell you this much.

I don't know any

The chunkier highlights the better. Okay. I'm thinking that the girls and the United we need to get some chunky highlights back out of here.

Okay.

We need some piano key highlights. I'm it's giving me Kelly Clark's and breakaway. I think we need to make bad hair great again because I want I want eon flux. Like I want to talk to your manager, Con K Bobs, on these ladies again. We need to make well actually what am I talking about? So that is how they wear their hair

I can't believe it's not a little bit Two things. The Russell Brand thing.

You were still there.

No one in the UK believes him.

He follows me on Instagram. But isn't that scary? Like why?

the comment section is things like, Isn't it funny how you ev how you found Jesus straight off the authorities found you? Mm. We all know what he's doing, right? And I had an hour An hour of Bible every day at school in Mississippi. I went to a Baptist school. I went to a Baptist school. I know the Bible inside out, so don't try and put it on me, Russell Brand. Do not And he is it's so transparent to anyone in the UK, there's not one person I know who thinks Russell Brand is on the up and up.

You sound like my husband.

He's a prick.

Yeah, exactly. But the canceling conservative pipeline is a or excuse me.

When he got down on his knees and prayed next to this the dick Fox News host.

Costs. Oh, I bet he's gonna become like a Catholic conservative commentator now, like the conservative or the canceled to conservative pipeline. And I was like

Ow!

Oh dear I would not Here's another shameful thing that we should probably X out. Okay. I feel like it's not gonna land very well with you.

Money care. Go. What's not gonna land with me?

I am Physically

Attracted to Russell Brand. Ha ha How did I know?

I hate myself for it. I have to work on it in therapy. Like that's another big bit in my like show. Like I do I there's like there's like certain Republicans who like I'm physically attracted to that it makes me really sad. I really do have to work on it therapy. I think it's because they remind me of like you know, like your dad's hot friend. Right. You know? Yeah.

Yeah, I get it.

No, no, I mean my husband is like I didn't mean no notes, but he but but he but he kind of gives me that too, like my husband does, you know? He's like your he's more of like your older brother's cute friend.

Who would wear like a lumberjack shirt in the woods?

My breast so big and milky. Yeah, my lower back hurts, you know.'Cause like uh talks about my husband, I'm like, Oh my god, I don't lactate

I'm lactating. I can't.

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Where are we at with JVN here? Please tell us. Because I saw you in Sephora, see you in Space and Cave.

our first newness and you know what our first I'm excited about it. It's our first newness and we're it's our first newness that we've ever done in our history where it's like a global launch at the same time. It used to be that like it would come out in the UK like six months later and it took us a while to like but we're launching in all of our locations simultaneously this December and January, which I'm really excited for.

You're still enjoying it.

I Good. Love it. Good. And I I've been in the salon more often, like making content in the salon, and I've just become I feel like the first few years of you know, JV in here it was like I kind of did what people told me to do. Yeah. And now I've been able to kind of get in there and like I get to be way more in things that I didn't even know that were going on. Yes, we're in it.

Yeah.

And I was in it formulaically, like with our formulas and like and like it's really more of just like the operational things that we were never in. Like we never could like source our like source this from here or source that from there. Like now it's like I know operationally like where is these products coming from? Where are these pumps coming from? Where what factory are we using?

Different now, which is great because I think when it when obviously the whole thing was Bia Sont and Rosencan, I w I was like, Well, what's happening with JVN here? That can't go. That's too new.

It was touch and go. It was touch and go there for a minute. December last year was really rough. But that was last. Yes, it's done and we're good and

And it's golden. What is happening with Queer Eye? Are we doing more?

Well we filmed we filmed in Las Vegas this year, which was such an experience. Coming out December 11th on Netflix. So excited for it. So excited for people to meet Jeremiah. I had some major firsts uh in the hair care department or just in the hair department. I did our first like hair piece. Like we did a full on hair piece major this year. Um but it was fun, you know. I mean it's it's so interesting having done this show.

It is hospitality.

And so I feel like especially our heroes this season more than ever, like really needed to be heard. Like'cause they don't ever get to be it's like it's just never really about them in Vegas. And I think for these heroes getting to be the center of someone's universe and for them getting to tell their story, I think was really special. And I just like

in Vegas.

Yeah, let's a fucking go big. So we were we did some biggies this year.

How did you find Vegas? How long were you there for?

We were there from LinkedIn. The end of March to June.

No, I could not have done that.

So I was there, so it was like all of April, all of May. All of April, all of May. I became obsessed with crab legs. Loved the people. Mark said I was gonna get gout because I kept I was like pulling full Bethany Frankles and like ordering crab legs in plastic bags like two R Airbnb and just like eating fucking bags of crab legs like three nights a week, just like So much butter, so much oil, so much crab.

Oh my god.

I just really fell in love with that. I didn't know I was going to, but I was living for the pool parties. I was living for the gambling. I was living for the shopping.

I didn't know that

I was obsessed.

I didn't know that Vegas was like it is. I thought it was huge hotels and huge casinos. Not huge hotels with huge casinos inside them. So you go to the Bellagio and it's like Covent Garden. It's fucking huge.

Tinha food everywhere.

Food everywhere. I mean the food wasn't great at the Bellagia, I've got to say we went to Spargo.

Oh girl, then you did not the Bellagio. Let me tell you about the Bellagio. It's all about their chicken finger. The Bellagio it's for the chicken fingers. That's what you go over there for. The win.

I can appreciate it from afar.'Cause I ate it until I was like forty ish and then I got an allergy.

And then you all of a sudden your throat just started swelling shut.

No, I looked like Will Smith and Hitch. It was like borderline going to the emergency room.

Can you like do like a pre anxious?

Well, every time I travel with BFD over here, she's obsessed with prawns. So wherever we go, she sees prawns, crayfish, and she just orders it, whether it's fried.

Do you like oysters? I'm into oysters.

So she'll go, Boss, can I have the and I'm like, just get it. I don't live vicariously through you, it's fine.

I don't like it when the raw like prawns, like the cocktail sh I don't like when they have like the shit tube. That grosses me out.

You should just pull it out, it's fine. They shouldn't have been cooked with that in, you can pull it out.

But I was like, why is that in there when I'm trying to dip this in cocktail sauce? Like I don't wanna see that back there.

But like deep fried. Mm-hmm. And garlic fried and I might c do the test again to see if I'm still allergic. If I could eat those again before I die.

Uh, maybe it'll happen.

Well if I know I'm dying I'll eat them then.

Yeah, oh yeah,'cause it doesn't matter. Yeah, you're so right. Um but Vegas was really fun. We had so much fun together. Jeremiah was like such a gorgeous like

Jeremiah just seems like a beautiful person.

beautiful person physically and also mentally emotionally. It's like really fun to be around. They're so cute.

The whole thing is just a whole plethora of cutes.

Do you know what Jared did when we were in Vegas? He took me to this upscale like consignment like resale store. And you know, like when you think that there's something that you've always wanted that's really expensive and it's like kind of just like plaguing you because you're like, oh, it's expense. Like, so I was like that with the Kelly.

You're not a Kelly girl.

But it's not me. It's not functional at all.

Squared and it's like an iPad with a handle.

Yeah,'cause I love to just take my Birkin and I just been fucking just

When you first walk through the door at the office in that with that Birkin, it's like the size of a suitcase and I went yeah.

Was it the my brown one? Yeah. Yeah I love my that brown one.

Yeah.

Yeah, I got a brown and she's like and then I got like a tan, like my big girls. Mm-hmm. And I like to just fucking go in on my big girls.

So Queer Eyes Done and coming out.

It's coming out. Well we can always use your support. Yeah, we can always use your support. Always. Um but we're good. I mean Space NK we're I mean, the UK is like such a gorgeous market for us and people have been so supportive there. Yeah. Um

I love you

I love them. But queer eyes December eleventh, season nine. I hope we get to keep doing it. I want people to watch

How many seasons have you done now?

This was nine.

Nine.

I've done nine. This was Jared's first. It was my my ninth. Shit. Not including Japan.

Why did I think it was like five or six? It's just'cause the time goes too quick.

is because we also like they'll split a city between two seasons. So like Atlanta was two seasons and then like Kansas City was two seasons and then Yeah, that was like the first two. Then it was Kansas City was three, four, then it was Japan, then it was Philly, which was one season, and then Austin was one season. Wow. And then New Orleans was two seasons. So three of our cities we've like had double seasons.

Okay, so I'm right in the right way.

Yeah, ash, yeah.

But that's all up and running and going and brilliant and

You never find out on Netflix if you're gonna get picked up again until like a month after you're so you never know. Hopefully we can. Well, no, I mean here's the thing about Netflix. You only get renewed if it performs. Of course. So you can never get too comfortable and hopefully people still wanna watch what we do and I I am just so

And your own podcasts.

Getting curious.

Pretty sure.

Yeah, I mean technically there's like

But there's more!

Getting Curious is like my main baby. And we've had her for twenty you know since twenty fifteen, like three hundred something episodes. But then I do my beauty one on Mondays. That's pretty curious. And it's like different feeds. So Pretty Curious is Mondays, Getting Curious is Wednesdays. And then Ask J V N is giving my like

Sex QA.

Mm-hmm.

My God. Yeah. I'm scared.

We were Well, today's question was interesting. Though we do one today where this person was like, when I masturbate, I come too fast. And I was like, how? Like you're literally and then they're like, How do I not come so fast? And then just like, I don't know, pinch your clit slower. Like I don't know how vaginas Just do it less or slower or something or make it not feel

Odd question to ask a stranger.

I was like, well, we're just someone who like, I don't uh know how that works.

I don't know.

Like with my for me or just it goes slower, yeah.

Well she could just have another one.

Uh well I mean can you I mean you guys can't just be like rifling'em out over and over and over, you'll get a rash.

No, you could just keep going.

Burn. Yeah, no, really. Everyone's just like be like, no. See, I didn't know. I cannot imagine having a vagina, how excited. Although can I tell you in sixth grade I had this nightmare this one time?

Ha ha.

I had this nightmare in sixth grade where I saw myself in a ballet class and I was doing plies and I was naked and when I went to the bottom of my plie my like scrotum like separated and the inside of it was a peak. And for years after that, like all the time I'd be like,

Uh

Oh. Okay, that's not like a dream. That wasn't real. But I still like worry about that, isn't it? Like I still talk about I'm 37. That was like in sixth grade. Yeah.

Okay, well that would be a concern.

Should you two a sexy British podcast? I think it'd be so fun.

fun but it would be me going, don't have sex with them, don't do it, stay safe, use a condom.

Yeah. I think we

I would do yours, but I am the least sexually adventurous. Like I'm like Miss Vanilla, boring, like I'm the wrong person to ask to do a sex podcast.

What's like? The sexiest thing you've ever done.

I would never even say it because I'm too English. don't know. Nothing. Like let my husband have sex with me.

That's that's a good one though. And lucky for him.

Lucky Jim. Lucky Jim.

I while I'm not sexually attracted to like women per se, I am sexually attracted to your blow dry and I always have been. I don't think I'll ever stop. Thanks. Like I l you wear your hair so good. Thank you.

you that's like the ultimate compliment.

Every time I I I love your styling, I can't get over.

Where's me? And I had the ultimate compliment. I went to a party for British Beauty Week a few weeks ago and I walked in, and Sam McKnight was there.

I love the um uh

And Sam went, who did your hair? Did you do it yourself? You did it yourself, didn't you? And I went, yeah, he went fucking great. Did you use my product? I went, yes, the styling, like the moose. He went, okay, great. And then he twirled and then he disappeared. And I was like, I'm living the dream.

I love him.

Sam McKnight's a different level of legend.

He got pretty curious on the we had got no press on Pretty Curious until we had Sam McKnight on and he told us about Princess Diana and then People magazine said, yes, honey, we will write that up. I was like, Oh my god, thanks, people.

What did he tell you about Diana?

Okay, literally he did her hair for seven years.

And

then he just told us all about like he was just telling us about her and like he was doing her hair like all the way until like her passing and

Elizabeth.

He said that she was the best, but then I think he said Kristen Stewart had like essences of her, but that really the de Becky what's her first name again? Yeah, he said that she unless I hope I'm not quoting that wrong, but I think that's what he said.

Check.

But I was way more obsessed with like just every like hair thing but the press was obviously like all about So incredible.

And when I interviewed him for the pod, uh and I didn't want to go too hard on the diner road,'cause also I feel with him and with Mary Greenwell, who was th his compatriot and d did did makeup. I think if you go too much on Diana, it's not about them. It's almost like I'm just here on the Diana dollar and I don't really want that. You know, it's like so I said to him, talking about the supermodels, because of course he did that whole thing.

And I went into that too.

had this moment to camera where I said to Sam McKnight, I just said, you know, was there one model that came in and you said immediately, this is a fucking supermodel? And he didn't break, he turned to camera and just went, Naomi. And I was like, oh money shot. Because you could just tell he was just like knowing me.

I think the other thing he said to me that I was obsessed with the most, which I just think is like life advice, which I feel like is good for this. He was just saying like I never had to be the one that was like the most known or the most like, you know, talked about or like the most like popular in the room. I'm I'm paraphrasing there because he didn't say popular. But he said he kind of his longevity he attributed to just kind of like

He's lovely.

I want to meet him IRL. It's only been like on our on the Zoom.

Really, he's really lovely. And he's there's just an aura of like total chill.

Which I don't know.

He has his house, he has his garden, he's obsessed with his garden, he's got this beautiful garden, he's a gardener. Like as soon as spring happens, all of his flowers start coming out on his Insta. Like he's just a dream.

I feel like you would be chill having done the caliber person's hair who he's done because like how you get nothing's gonna ruffle your feathers after this.

Is going to ruffle your feathers. When you've done the people that he's done, everyone else must just be like, This is easy.

That is kind of how I felt like post doing Michelle Kwan's hair.

I knew you were gonna say Michelle Cross. Obsession come from with Michelle Quan.

Good taste. Like mostly just like really well attuned taste to like perfect grace, athleticism, musical interpretation, but also like perfect jumping technique.

Ice skater. Ice skater shop. For those who don't know.

The most decorated American figure skater of all time.

Ok, well done.

Two time Olympic medalist, five time world champion.

You know her stats more than you know your own.

Ninety six, ninety eight, two thousand, two thousand and one, two thousand and three. Here's a real fucking kicker. Which I did accidentally tell her this in real life. And it makes me when I think about things where I just like wake up at three in the morning and I'm like You know how like in Tanya, they like when the IOC, the International Olympic Committee, decided in ninety two, they were like, oh, we could really up our money if we didn't have the Olympics on the same year.

Because Michelle didn't win.

Celebrate your accomplishments with it which an Olympic silver medal, an Olympic bronze medal, get out of my face expectations of gold. Yes. Five-time world champion. Like and the truth is, Michelle, if you're watching, please skip forward three minutes. She got out skated those days. Yeah. She did. Like those girls had the skates of their life. Yeah. On those days. They did. They bought it. They did. And you know, she and and Michelle. Well that was like not like really

The odd one that she didn't win.

Oh yes.

Everyone else really was just a different thing.

Well Rebecca Android, but but I feel like that was like a little for me different because Someone has fifty fucking Olympic gold medals. Shaw has fifty world medals. But whatever. So but I did say I was like, oh did you ever think about that? And she was like, No, but now I didn't. I was like, uh-huh.

I'm sorry that I put that in your head.

All that art makes me seem like a dumb bitch. Oh my god.

There are a few things in life that just keep on giving for three ninety nine a month. A floppy fuel station Sarney, one small cup of bougie overpriced coffee? I don't think so. Or for the same price you could be getting a month's worth of skincare insights and know how from yours truly. A wealth of fresh

Alright, let's go into beauty and

I can't wait to get a BD.

Okay, beauty and skin. Okay. What is the first skincare or beauty product that you remember buying?

Bath and Body Works peel off masks.

Straight in there. Which one?

The peel off mask, that shea butter peel-off mask where you like put it on but then you like peeled it off. It's called like Bath and Body Works. Like you know, bath it's like not

No, I know the brand, but it's not big in the UK, but I know the brand. But it was just a peel off mask, didn't do anything in p in particular.

No, I was like seven. And I was like stealing dollars out of my mom and stepdad's like change jar to like go get lost at Bath and Body Works and like buy stuff.

Yeah.

But there's a and also like juniper breeze, like ph Frisia, like like body cream.

Washing detergent.

from there but like Bath and Body Works just had me like hook line and sinker as a child.

And what about now? Now you're more likely to skip by and get something a bit more

Yeah. But the fragrances are stunning. Like they are very like

I like the Christmasy stuff.

Yeah. That Juniper Breeze and Frisia was like gorgeous sense. In fact, I'm kind of longing for it now that I think about it.

Have you had any major disasters? Well you've just done like bad hair, bad skin, bad makeup, bad like mine is I used to dye my hair black and crimp it and I was a goth. It lasted about six weeks and then I made my hair go back to normal.

Okay, well here's something I'm currently going through that's not hair or makeup, but I didn't realize that you could wear like a full undergarment bodysuit that like wasn't just a Spinx that stopped here. And like I whenever I gain weight, like I don't notice that I do.

Yeah.

Is it making me question my gender identity again, obviously, because it makes me feel like such a gorgeous woman, like in a full bodysuit, just I'm giving like breasts, waist, fucking ass. Like I can take the bottom part and just like So I can pee really easily. I'm just like, this is like so functional and amazing. Like I'm just obsessed with these. Like so

With the

My my my Spanx has been my disaster for the last two years. Got it. What is the disaster.

Yeah.

Yes. Okay. Facially

is someone telling you that on TikTok and your stylist isn't pulling you up on it?

That's what she was trying to say. She was like, Girl, I told you this three years ago and like you didn't wanna wear the bodysuit. Like this is a you problem, not a me problem, which is so true.'Cause I feel like she did. Okay, but sometimes I just don't listen. No, Ali be like for the win always forever. She's like my only stylist I've ever worked with. I love her so much. She like I I d live and die and breathe breathe for her.

Like all of my children. all of my children. No, it's actually really like my husband.

Yeah what that is.

really like my husband. I'll just say something and he'll be like Mm and then someone else will say it and I'll be like, I literally said this three fucking weeks ago and you didn't you like you either ignored me or didn't agree with me. It's like, No you didn't I'm like, Yes, yes, Jim, I did.

Yeah.

Yes, yes I did

Like excluding like jewellery and bags. Yes. So only beauty stuff.

The Birkin is already in the car.

Okay, okay. Only beauty stuff.

Beauty.

Okay, well all my dipt fragrances

All right.

I'm especially obsessed right with those right now. Those have got me in a fucking chokehold. Skinrocks moisturizer number it's the two in the teal jar. That's my favorite. Literally my favorite moisturizer. Period.

Beautiful. Love that for you. You'll get the cleansing balm tomorrow morning.

Oh, is that new? Is it in the pink? Mm-hmm. The bright pink. That was your newest launch, right?

Yeah, we've got the we've got we've got cream cleanser and we had gel cleanser and now we've got a cleansing balm and a pot.

I love cleansing balm.

I love her. Uh uh

I can't wait, I'm and now my body's distracted from thinking about it. Um body wise, necessaire. necessaire body serum.

I like the eucalyptus body wash.

Oh that's gorgeous.

Right.

That's gorgeous. And then uh I'm obsessed with Patrick Ta's cream blush. powder blush duo. Yes. And I like the really light pink one. I think it's like the most lightest pink one. Not wearing it today, but it's like a baby. Um and yeah, so dip teak. Yeah.

That's a good sh we've never had a toothbrush.

They really like my automatic toothbrush.

So then you get good teeth, well done. Yeah. I mean, why not?

And air dry cream of because I don't have to rub my hair curly.

two. What is your buy it for life product? What are you just never without? Okay. Serum.

Yes. I uh went to Bird Dorf's the other day and the lady was like the lady was like, Oh, they have their once a year'cause I normally just get like the normal size one. They did the big and I was like, Oh cool. Like yeah, like only once a year, let's do it and I didn't look at the price tag because I was like, How bad could it be? And I was like, I'm sure there's gonna be like a little deal because it's like so big.

Well then my next question is what's your favourite smell of a product?

Maybe that one or Not to be selfish, but our instant recovery serum sense.

Good smell.

I love that smell. Good. I want a like candle of it and a spray of it. Yeah.

It smells.

I am.

You ready?

Yes. I love rapid fire.

Alter or C V S. Bold I or bold lip. Lipstick or lip gloss? am routine or pm routine

PM. Because I just want to be done for the day.

and just...

Yeah. But I love it in the morning too.

This is very UK specific, so depending on where the person is from is where they answer, but it's space NK or Sephora.

We're definitely Space NK in the United Kingdom, darling.

Ha ha.

Uh but it we're in both actually. We're like yambodextress there, but um and I obviously love Sephora so much, but I do just have to say Space in Kay, like I almost get emotional when I think about it because with everything that we went through, like they have just been like such huge supporters.

They were. I spoke to them while it was all going on and they were just so they were just like, We're in, whatever it's

No, they like and like the die. You know, when people think about like pride and queer founded brands and like I've seen so much performative bullshit in my life. Yeah. And to me And Sephora in the United States.

Small grade.

Marketing us. Felt so Yeah. Unique and amazing.

She's getting a CW achievers in December. I'm on her table. We love you, Maggie Mitchell. Maggie, uh makeup brush or makeup sponge?

Ooh, I'm non-binary.

That is the best answer we've got.

Yeah. So like I obviously would do both.

Okay.

For different things.

City break or country escape. And let's pretend you're in the UK. UK, so we do a Dell, you gonna be like Soho Farmhouse or where you gonna go? Are you gonna be in the city or you gonna go to the Cotswolds? I see you around a log fire in the Cots Worlds with Mark and the Allen.

I don't know, I want some chicken livers from Nando.

We've got that coming up. We've got that coming up as a question.

I don't I just I don't I'm not well versed enough in British countryside to know.

Ok, so what about in the U.S.?

I would rather go to like a beach, but I don't want to go to Brighton Beach. I think I'm a city gal.

Okay. You're a city girl with a terrible British accent.

Yeah.

I love you dearly but no. Okay, shopping online or shopping in store?

And store.

Mm, I agree. Unless it's Zara, which we've all decided we're never shopping in the world.

It's too much.

I don't work here.

It's too much.

I'm not processing my own refund, you fucking asshole. It's called service. It's not a bad word. I'm a shop floor girl. I Like I walk the floor and I'm like, where are your people? Why is no one helping me? What are you doing? This is me being a customer. Anyway, dogs or cats.

I literally can't answer that. I know.

I'm a cat's girl, so

I love both so much. I mean I literally have eight. Three dogs, five cats.

So you love cats, great. Sweet or savory.

Sweet.

Really? What's your favourite dessert?

Cinnamon roll.

God damn it! You need to tell me where to get one while we're in New York, cause we keep looking and then we'll drive by and it'll be like Cinnabon, ice donut, something, and I'm like, shit, we can't stop. I need

Cinnamon is classic and gorgeous.

I need a cinnamon roll covered in icing in my life and in my mouth before we leave this city.

No, uh fuck. Okay. Let me think about it.

If you organise that and organise it for tomorrow morning, that'd be great.

Oh, let me get that together. Yes, yes, yes.

Like I'll do the guns with Mark. We'll perform for you. Heels are flats.

Yours.

What no I get it, but no. Comfort flat.

I like comfortable, obviously look at me, but I love a heel. They just make me feel pretty.

Bags. Bags. Every day. Full bag. Full bag. All day every day.

All day, every day. Forever bags. Night in or night out? In yeah.

Oh no, I almost said out that was crazy.

No, you almost lost your mind. I would have reeled you in, don't worry. I would have been like no no no you you mean in. I'm calling Mark.

I always am.

Okay, Nando's or Wagga Mommas?

Nando's.

What's your order?

Um well.

I don't know if we do chicken liver.

They literally have like a fucking whole thing of chicken livers.

Pate!

No, no. No, like there's like fifty like chicken literal livers. I don't like little like liver ass bitches in there.

I have never seen

Yeah.

Do you mean no, do you mean like popcorn chicken?

I mean

Google it, Liv.

Nando's sells literal spicy chicken livers.

I've never seen that. No, I'm I'm learning from you, the American

Yes.

Nando's chicken liver's liver. Is it a thing? There you go, they've returned.

Though they never left as far as I knew. They never left as far as I knew. They were only just like it's select locations. Tan taught me about it and I've e I've like been addicted to them ever since.

Wow. Okay, well you're a Nando's though.

And delicious. Oh. I know. I'm shocked. It's not even gross. It's like really good.

I mean I think we should finish with Nando's chicken livers.

Yeah.

We've got a film of chats with C, but I think we're gonna do that tomorrow.

Oh okay. Love that. I love how all right, thanks for having me. W was it unhinged? Was it cute? Are you glad we had this chat?

Um always glad that we have any chat. So thank you for coming to see us while we are here. It has been an absolute unhinged, as always, with us two, joy.

I love you so much.

Rydyn ni wedi'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd

We're in England.

No but I'm not sure the world could take it.

I think the world can once it needs it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I know Nicola, like we talk, but we sat opposite each other on the Eurostar and I said, We've got a mutual friend. And she went, have we and she already followed me from her burner account. Uh huh. And she was like, Oh, Jonathan, and that was it. We were talking about you for like two hours.

Nicolás! literally the best person I think I've ever met.

She's just like delightful.

But like literally like an integrity-filled ass, gorgeous, trustworthy.

Yeah.

Fucking just like a good ass person who deserves like

Everything.

And even more. And I think she could become like the Taoqish how do they call the president of Ireland? Yeah.

Hey, shh. I can't remember.

T-Shark.

Thank you, Jesus Christ.

She could totally be like president of fucking Ireland, NATO. Like when she like she really could, like president. Grace Kelly vibes. Like become that like just solidify the acting. Yeah. Yes. And then even maybe go back.

I can see that.

I don't think she wants to, but I think she could save the world. And I do wish that she was born in America only because that she could be the president.

You could run here.

No.

No.

I'm too much of a mess.

I just I think you're too real.

I'm so real.

I think you're too real.

Yeah. I smell too much weed to be president. Okay, great. I have to be asleep by like eight thirty.

Yeah, that's not gonna work. It's not gonna work.

You bet it really gets cracking after 8 30.

Do you think in the White House? I mean but you're gonna be asleep in stones, so who cares?

Yeah, to my slippers.

And your slippers. Well I know the animals. Uh

I love you all. Sorry, my brother Shackson sucks. Love you.

Oh I don't talk about sex, that's just

Well, sorry, my British accent's thought.

I thought you said sorry about talking about sex.

No never apologize for that.

That's why I was like,

Mine wasn't a D buttons. No.

That's fine. Have all the sex you wanna have. I'm just tired. Uh I'm fifty five. How? With the grandchildren.

Your skin looks so good.

Good. Thanks.

It really does.

We're done. Okay, apparently we're done. We're taking pictures. Thank you so much for listening. This brings us to the end of Glad We Had This Chat Takes New York. I hope you enjoyed listening to it as much as I enjoyed recording it. I'll see you soon and I'll be back in New York soon. But until then, I'm glad we had this chat.

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