Hi, and welcome back to give us more n Hi'm Megan, and we almost forgot to press record. Yeah, that could have been a catastrophe. I literally was just about to start and you're like, oh, let me just record it. And so how's the years guys, this week been. Can you enjoying what we're putting that so far? Because I got a depressing case today. Oh fun, that's but it's also filled with mystery. So
okay, okay, let's do it. Yeah. So this week I am going to tell you all about Emmanuela a Lordi or some of you may know the Vatican Girl on Netflix does obviously where I got my inspiration from, and I watched it twice because I had to refresh my memory. That is also something that I started watching and just didn't quite finish. So Emmanuela or Landi was born January fourth, nineteen sixty eight, in the Vatican City of Rome, Italy. Her father was Heir Cole and her mother was Maria Orlandi.
She had four siblings, Petro, Natali, Natalie, Natala natal I can't my brain your glitching, Natalia Federica and Maria. I'm very sorry if I know I butchered like every single one of those names, Yeah, especially Maria, but they're Italian, Okay, Irish, so I struggle. Her father, er Cole, was an employee in the papal household in the Vatican, so he were in the Vatican, just like his father and his grandfather. So this family has been in the Vatican and working closely with the Vatican for
generations. At this stage, it was very common for Emmanuela and her siblings to play in the Vatican gardens, and it was quite normal for the family to interact with the Pope and other higher ups in the church from time to time, just from being in like the in the gardens and stuff. I would ship myself. If I was in front of the Pope, I would feel like he would know all of my deepest, darkest, horrible secrets. I'd feel like you'd tried to judge me, but nobody can judge me.
Only God can judge me. In nineteen eighty three, fifteen year old Emmanuela would disappear. She was in her second year of secondary school. She sang in the church choir and was a talented flute player. Emmanuela was attending music lessons three times a week. One of the best music schools in Rome. She had to take a bus to get to the school, which was based in Central Rome, which meant she had to leave the Vatican City. It wasn't from what I remember, it wasn't so far away from the gates of
Vaticans. No, it's not like too far away. But like once you exit those grounds, you're considered then in Italy, and in Italy you're considered then in Rome. And even though like the Vaticans literally in the center of Rome, but you know, still considered Central Rome. Yeah, yeah, and like she still had to get like a bus to wherever it was. On June twenty second, nineteen eighty three, Emmanuela was running late for her
music class, and she asked her brother Petro to drive her. He told Emmanuela that he couldn't bring her as he was driving his then girlfriend to the airport. That would be the last time that he would ever see his sister. After her music class, Emmanuela rang home and her sister Fredrika answered.
She said that she was going to be late coming home as a woman who was selling Avon products had approached her and offered her a well paying job to hand out leaflets like it was just like, hey, I'll pay you, I know, twenty year old to like hand out these fifteen leaflets or something, you know, like guy, yeah, easy money. I'll just do was walk around Rome for an hour handing out leaflets and she's made however much money. Emmanuela was then last seen by her classmates at a bus stop at
around seven thirty pm with an unidentified girl. Emmanuela's family began to get a little bit concerned as it was starting to get quite late and she wasn't home yet. They decided that they were going to go out looking for her, and they looked for her between the Vatican and the music school. Her father then went to report her missing two police, but he was asked to wait until morning because they have to be missing for so many hours. I don't
think that's the case at all anywhere anymore. And I think in America they have to be missing twenty four hours. Was that not removed with a law? I think children are a different case, but adults I think have to be missing at least twenty four hours. Okay, because with kids, know you have amber alerts, yes, yeah, but I think I think adults
Correct me if I'm wrong. If we're from America. But I'm I'm pretty sure Americans still have to like adults have to be missing twenty four hours, okay, which, like, I'm sorry, is that not like the most crucial time to find them? They literally have a show called the First twenty four They have another show just called twenty four Yeah, and it's all about
her. That was twenty four hours and the most crucial any hoodults. Emmanuela was declared officially missing the following morning, and over a couple of days, the press began releasing photos of Emmanuela to try and help find her. Even twenty fifth, at about six pm, a guy who was claiming to be a sixteen year old boy named per Luigi per Luigi, he said that he and his fiance he's claiming to be sixteen, He and his fiancee had met
Emmanuela at Piazza Novana that afternoon. He was able to describe her, and he mentioned that she was carrying a flute and that she had a big pair of glasses that she didn't like wearing, which was true, she did. She had like big chunky glasses, I think chunky, and that she hated having to wear but she like had two for certain certain instances and sorry, can we just go back to an engaged sixteen year old? Yeah? So I'm pretty sure that this guy is like who he says he is and is
not sixteen. Okay. I love the way he's like, I'm gonna lie and pretend like I'm sixteen. So me and my fiance where I don't know. I've I feel like I knew some people in school that we're getting engaged at sixteen, but it was like not really real, Yeah, we're engaged,
Jade it and me. That's man, because we're in sixteen. So this guy said that Emmanuela had just gotten her hair cut and he and introduced herself as Barbarrella, and she was telling them about how she got a job selling Avon products and she was like on her way to start a new life, and sorry, Barbarella is the sickest fucking name. What's her name, Barbarrella? I want that name. She also told them about how she'd just ran away from home, and you know, they were just like, cool,
cool, You're not the missing girl, are you. Then on June twenty eighth, a man named Mario, which I have to write because these are not real people, well, they are real people, but they're not who they say they are, and they chose Mario and Luigi. It's me a Mario. He rang to say that he was the owner of a bar
between the Vatican and Emmanuela's music school. A new customer of his was a young girl named Barbara, and she had told him about how she had just run away from home, but she was going to return home soon for her sister's wedding, and one of her, like her older sister I, was engaged, so it was like, ooh interesting m A few days later, the our Landi family began putting up missing persons posters all over Rome. On July third, during the Angelus, Pope John Paul the Second appeal to those
responsible for Emmanuela's disappearance to bring her home. Shortly after this, the Orlandi family began receiving phone calls from a guy that they named the American. The man claimed that he had taken Emmanuela on behalf of a terrorist group that they called Turkesh. They were willing to exchange Manuela for Mamet ali Aki. I'm so sorry if I murdered that name. Mamet was a turkish Man who had shot Pope John Paul second in May nineteen eighty one in an attempted assassination.
No further information was ever given to the family, and then the family would receive more calls from the so called American. He would even go on to play a recording of emmanuel screaming. The American rang the Vatican making their demands. They wanted to do a prisoner exchange. The American told the Vatican that per Luigi and Mario were a part of the Turkesh and that they had made these phone calls on behalf of the Turkesh to give the family hope. That's
just really sick and twisted ship. On July sixth, a man informed NASA News agency about the prisoner exchange. They said that the Pope had twenty days to pardon Memet. They said that in a bin near the Italian Parliament was proof that they had Emmanuela. And in this spin they found a photocopy of Emmanuela's student id, a receipt for her tuition, and a note that was reportedly written by Emmanuela. How did they get a receipt for her tuition?
It was I think in her like supposed to be in her bag or in her pocket or something, oh okay. On July eighth, a man reportedly rang one of Emmanuela's classmates, telling him that Emmanuela had twenty days. He then asked for a direct line to the Vatican Secretary of State. This line, so there was no like you couldn't pick up your phone and directly call the Vatican Secretary of State. You had to like go through a bunch of people. M Can I just ask what the fuck was a classmate supposed to
do about all of this? Yeah, I don't know. And they just kept ringing everyone being like she has twenty days, like the val like the pope has twenty days to like pardon your man. So your man attempted to kill the pope was naturally arrested and charged for it. And then they were trying to say that no, he needed to be let out and that in
exchange for this, we will give you Emmanuela. And like the top process was that she was from the Vatican City like, and her family worked for generations within the Vatican, so it was like she was supposed to hold significance, but see the pope don't care. I'm shocked, horrified, that the Pope doesn't care, Pope, just go Pope in his little popemobile. So
the direct line to the Vatican Secretary of State was installed. On July eighteenth, the American made about sixteen phone calls from various different public phones all across Rome. On July seventeenth, an audio tape of a girl being tortured was found near the NSA headquarters, which is just like a news a news outlet. Later on, the recording was published and was given to the Orlandi family.
However, the officer who had found the tape claimed that the tape given to the Orlandi family was either manipulated or faith I think I remember this from the show, and they were saying that they thought it was porn. Yeah, it's so when you listen to the tape, you would get the impression that it's someone being tortured. But if you like unjust like a first listen kind of a thing, but on further listen, it actually more so sounds like a porno right. Yeah, But he's saying that the tape that he
found was different to the tape that was given to the Orlandi family. Oh yeah, So he claimed that the original tape was longer and you could hear a male voice in the background. Oh my god. So why would they do that? Because Pope gonna Pope. On August fourth, nineteen eighty three, the NSA received a letter from the Turkesh. They claimed to have Emmanuela
and would free her in exchange for the freedom of Memet. They never gave any physical evidence that they actually had Emmanuela, Like it was all this like circumstantial, Like here's a photocopy of her, id who's to say you didn't just find her bag, Like they never like sent a photo of her, or they never put her on the phone. But the only thing was was that they were able to give details about her, and they even mentioned about
how how many moles that she had on her back. Right in October nineteen eighty three, Turkesh claimed the responsibility for the disappearance of another girl. Marrella Gregory was born October seventh, nineteen sixty seven, in Rome, Italy. On May seventh, nineteen eighty three, Marella got a phone call from one
of her classmates, Alessandro, telling her they were outside. Marrella went missing before Emmanuela and in October nineteen eighty three, so after the disappearance of Emmanuela, and after a few months of being like, we have Emmanuela, like released this guy, then they were like, oh, by the way, we also kidnapped another girl back in May, and nobody like right. So
Marella went missing. On May seventh, nineteen eighty three, she got a phone call from one of her classmates, Alessandro, telling her that they were outside. Marrella told her mother that she was going to go down and see them and that she would be back in about ten minutes. Marrella was never seen again. Turkesh took responsibility for her disappearance and requested that the Italian president
pardon Memet in exchange for the release of Marella. So the thought process in this is that they took someone from Rome so that they could use her to bergain with the Italian government, and then they took somebody from the Vatican so that they could use her to bargain with the Pope and with the Vatican. So they took someone from each area to be like, we have these two girls from Rome and the Vatican work together, pardon him, get him out.
On October twentieth, nineteen eighty three, the Italian President publicly appealed for the two girls to be freed and brought home safely. In nineteen ninety seven, the Emmanuela case was dismissed by the public prosecutor as there had been no new leads or evidence. In twenty Pietro and his mother met Pope Francis outside from Mass. As Pietro made his way over to the Pope, a guard whispered something in the Pope's ear, and then the Pope made a comment,
Emmanuela is in heaven. Oh. This made Pietro believe that the Pope and the Vatican knew something about Emmanuela's disappearance. Pietro questioned why the Pope would say something like that, and to this day is still questioning why the Pope would say something like that. So there are many many theories as to what happened to Emmanuela. In two thousand, an Italian prosecutor stated that Emmanuela was alive and well. He believed that she was living in a Muslim in a Muslim
community in Paris. What why would she, having grown up literally in the Vatican, then change her religion. So it's like believed that like she was kidnapped and then like brainwashed to be a part of this like terrorist slash Muslim community. And I'm not saying yeah, like I'm not saying that Muslims are terrorists. I'm saying that this is what like is being you know, like
this these are don't get it confused, please. Mamet also stated in an interview that Emmanuela had been kidnapped by the Gray Wolves, which is a far right Turkish organization. He said that Emmanuela was still alive and living in Central Europe. The group the Turkish, had originally taken responsibility. It all turned out to be a made up organization and as far as police investigations could prove, like, there was no proof that this was a real life terrorist organizing.
Like so when she first got abducted, someone was going around being like, we are the Turkish, like we are a terrorist organization. Mamet is with us, release him and you'll get these two girls back. Now Here we are in two thousand and it's been proved, as far as police can prove, this isn't a terrorist organization. This is just someone being like released my met Okay, all right, my meta fans, you gotta make up a whole terrorist organization for a man, really a man that's shot the pope,
shot the Pope. I don't understand what Like I don't care for the Pope doesn't mean I'm going to go shoot the man. Yeah, It's just I wouldn't go out of my way if he was in my back garden, you know, my offer and my cup of tea. But that'd be about it. I think I'd be a bit like, oh shit, pops my garden the fuck. Some people believe that the Turkish had links with the Italian intelligence, as they knew details about Emmanuela's case that only police at the time
would know. Okay. In two thousand and eight, a former agent of the Secret Service of Germany claimed that the Gray Wolves were responsible for Immanuela's disappearance. He claimed that this was to cover up the theory that Moment was working with the Bulgarian secret Service when he tried to assassinate Pope John Paul the Second. He reported that the idea came from the KGB, the KGE. You
don't fuck with the KGB. So here we are interesting. Interesting. So i'm's going to take a quick little ad break and we're back on July eleventh to t five an an ominous caller to an Italian talk show claimed that Emmanuela's case would be solved if they looked at who was buried in the crypt Basilica descent apple la a polanaire. I'm very sorry about that, And if they looked at the favor the pees did for Cardinal Polenti, and that's a quote.
Oh what did Cardinal Lenti get up to? So Basilica was a church with burial crypts commonly kept for high ranking officials of the Vatican. It was discovered that Enrico de Pet's, the leader of a Roman gang, was buried in a crypt at Basilica in nineteen ninety In nineteen ninety seven, an article was published about this, and it had caused public outrage at the time and even protests from the police union because what was a crime boss doing being buried
in Basilica, which was kept for higher ups in the Vatican. M Cardinal Palenti was the leader of the bishops of Italy at the time of Enrico's death and his burial. The crypt was opened and the DNA samples were taken, but nothing proved that Enrico had anything to do with Emmanuela's disappearance. However, it started the theory that Enrico killed Emmanuela on the orders of Cardinal Palenti. Okay. In February two thousand and six, a former member of Enrico's gang
came forward and said he knew who the voice of Mario was. He said it was a man named Roffetto. This was then corroborated by Enrico's former girlfriend, Sabrina Minardi. Yes, Sabrina, yeah, and no, yeah, no, Sabrina, I mean yeah, she should have said something a lot earlier. We don't know how true Sabrina's story is. So Sabrina claimed that Emmanuela was kidnapped on the orders of Archbishop Paul Markee. I'm just going to call him Marcus. That's not his name, and I'm so sorry, but
I can't pronounce it. I researched this literally last year, and so aunciation has left man. And you think I would have watched a video or Google translated all their names so that I could say them, but I did not. So the name is what it is. We're here today the disgraced leader of the Vatican Bank. So Archbishop Paul Marcus is a disgraced leader of the Vatican Bank as part of his power move. She was like, he kidnapped this girl for a power move. She stated that Emmanuela was kept in her
apartment outside of Rome for several days. She was locked up in a room and kept drugged so she couldn't fight back. Then Emmanuela was moved to another apartment inside of Rome. Sabrina claimed that Enrico told her to drive the girl to the Vatican and hand her over to a man dressed like a priest,
and that's what she like, she claims that's what she did. She put Emmanuela in the back of the car, she drove from the apartment to the Vatican, through all these back roads, met a man who was clearly a priest or dressed like a priest, and hand Emmanuela after after him, and then she went on about her business and do we think it was a real priest And I'll tell yeah, I'll tell you like my thoughts and that at the end, Okay, it's it's hard to know what's fact and what's fiction
in this case. And like the per family, like they just want answers and people are too busy, like being so intrigued into the mystery of it all, that it's like they'll make up the family has forgotten about and the fact that it's two girls went missing and we're never we're never here from exactly. So police do have doubts about Sabrina's statement, as she's changed different parts of her story each time she tells it. She also mentioned the help of
some people who were dead by nineteen eighty three. Okay. She also changed the location as to where Emmanuela was kept. Sabrina also has a huge history of drug abuse, so this just made her a completely unreliable source. Her testimony was leaked to the press in June ties and eight, however, even
though she had given multiple different testimonies. Yeah, I mean, there's for sure probably i'd say some truth, like she was definitely Enrico's girlfriend at the time, and she definitely seen some shit, and like, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that she could have done something like this, because I'd say she's a little bit scared of him, a little bit He's gonna give me my drugs. Yeah, mixture of everything. I'm not
saying that what she's saying is true. But I'm saying it's possible that she's changing aspects of the story because from the drug abuse, is remembering it differently, maybe, oh mad Judge. In eleven, the same former member of Enrico's gang claims that Emmanuela was kidnapped because Archbishop Marcus was involved with money laundering.
He had been laundering money in order to fund the Solidarity movement to fight communist rule in Poland, which was where Pope John Paul the Second was from the bank that Archbishop Marcus was running soon collapsed in nineteen eighty two, and it's believed that Enrico kidnapped Emmanuela to try force the Vatican into paying him back for the money that Archbishop Marcus had lost in the laundering of money schemes that
he was committing. This is all getting very convolute. So you have one person saying that Enrico kidnapped Emmanuela on behalf of this guy for some power move, some big game plan that he's going to go ahead with. Then you have someone saying no, So this guy laundered a bunch of money and in nineteen eighty two lost it all, got caught, bank collapsed, was fucked and anyone that put their money into it fucked and Ego was one of those
people. And so then he kidnapped Emmanuela to get back at him. But what would kidnapping Emmanuela do to get back at him exactly? It would maybe open an investigation that would then lead maybe to the bank that maybe that's what he was hoping for, into an investigation into what was going on behind the scenes of the bank. But he doesn't want an investigation because he is also a criminal. So I don't know, that's what I mean, Like,
it's all very like what. Yeah. In May two twelve, a priest Gabrielle Amoth claimed that Emmanuela was kidnapped by the Vatican police for one of their sex parties fucking Hell. In sixteen, a book was published about this theory, and an old school friend of Immanuela's came forward. She remained anominous. She claimed that shortly before her disappearance, Emmanuela had confided in her that someone close to the pope had been sexually assaulting her in the gardens of the Vatican.
Oh Jesus. The same friend gave the same interview with Netflix, and in December twenty two, someone who had been close to Enrico claimed that someone from inside the Vatican had ordered the kidnapping of Emmanuela in order to cover up a sex scandal. Police have been searching for this man to question him, but they've been unsuccessful in finding him because they obviously want to know more information about these so called sex parties and this so called sex scandal that is going
on in the Vatican. One of the sex scandals that's going on in the Vatican. We'll not talk about that then the rest, But I like, I would be quick to believe that one. I mean, so far out
of everything that I've said, that's sadly the most likely it is. It is so like it's a possibility that the guy whichever whoever it was, that was close to the Pope found out that she confided in a friend and then was like you gotta go m In twenty fourteen, someone stole important documents, important secret documents from the Vatican. This became known as the Vatti League's scandal. In two thousand seventeen, a journalist Emmaliano Fipaldi managed to gain access to
some of these missing documents. We'll not go into detail about how he got how he managed to get some of these documents, but he did, Okay, he did. One of these documents was signed by two archbishops, Giovanna Battasta and Jean Louis to Jean Louis, Yeah, Jean Louis. Yeah. It was an itemized receipt that was signed on March twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven. It claimed that the Vatican had spent roughly two hundred and fifty thousand
euros on supporting Emmanuela between nineteen eighty three to nineteen ninety seven. It suggests that Emmanuela was moved to London under Vatican protection and was given her own education, including a medical degree. The document eludes that Emmanuela died in early nineteen ninety seven and the Vatican had her body flown back to Rome and buried somewhere
in one of the Vatican cemeteries. Right, interesting, right, And like I did I remember like googling the documents and stuff it itemized, Like oh my god, so it's fair and it's like signed by these archbishops and you're like what the fuck. The Vatican and the police deny the existence of such a document, stating that wherever Emmaliano got his document. It's fake and was faked and it's not real. However, this is not the first time this
is suggested that the Vatican had Emmanuela moved to London. On June seventeenth eleven, an an ominous phone call to Pietro, Emmanuela's brother claimed that Emmanuela was still alive but was being kept an immense mental institution in London. The caller claimed that emmanuel was taken there because her father knew about the money laundering that was happening in the Vatican Bank at the time, and that's the reason for her being kidnapped, and it was to shut her father up into not saying
anything. But then in April of this year, Pietro came into the possession of a letter written to Cardinal Paletti sent by Archbishop by the Archbishop of Canterbury, who was George Kerry in nineteen ninety three. The letter mentioned Emmanuela and it suggested that the pair should set up a meeting to discuss her further. The letter was sent to the same address in London that the document had on it that was like the itdem Eister seat. It had the same address Okay,
I'm believing this one more. I think. Yeah, it's also wild. Over the years, people had questioned why the Vatican had never really officially opened an investigation into Manuela's disappearance, as she was a Vatican citizen. They claimed it was because she was technically kidnapped on Roman soil and not in Vatican. However, a phone call between Monsignor Britanny and the chief of the Vatican Police, Raoul Boner rally Boner, I wish it was spelled like Boner,
it's not. They had a phone call on October twelfth, nineteen ninety three, and it's revealed that Raoul was being questioned in the disappearance of Murrella, as her mother had stated she had seen role picking up her daughter outside their apartment on many occasions. Britanny told Roule not to say anything about the Vatican's investigation on Emmanuela's disappearance. What to keep in secrets for? Yeah, watch
your hiding what you got going on there? Watch going on? On May fourteenth to ties in and one, a priest found a bag containing a skull in a bag of in a bag in a confessional. What what? They found a bag with a skull in a bag, a bag in a bag. It wasn't a bag in a bag. So a priest found a bag that was containing a skull in a confessional. The skull was small in dimensions and was missing a jaw. The public immediately jumped to the conclusion that this
is Emmanuela. However, DNA was not a match. The Orlande family made a statement saying they don't they don't know why everyone assumed it was Emmanuela when there was no evidence to suggest otherwise, and that they had never believed it was her anyway. Did they ever fegar out who it was? No, not that I'm aware of. No, that's sad m So many secrets. What the frick? Yeah, that's that's somebody's head. It's somebody's skull, and if it's a small one, it's a child. More than likely it's
Yeah. On April sixth seven, during a Good Friday sermon, a reverend in Rome told people attending the mass quote, don't carry your secret to the grave with you. I have nothing to say. This made people think that he was talking about Emmanuela and suggesting the Vatican were keeping secrets about it. The Vatican then released a press statement quote, as far as we know, there was nothing hiding, nor are their secrets in the Vatican to reveal on
the subject. To continue to assert it is completely unjustified. Also, we were iterated yet again, all materials from the Vatican was handed over in its time to the investigating magistrates and to police. End quote. Okay, whatever you say, Vatican, just suggesting Vatican that may be people are suspicious of you because you have a lot of scandals over the years. Yeah, you kind of do. For someone that really shouldn't have scandals, you kind of
have a lot. You claim that you're all about garden stuff, but you know, a lot of ungodly things happen, many, many, many ungodly things happen. But we won't go into it too much because you know, we'd be here all night. In October twenty eighteen, human remains were found during the renovation of the Holy See the Holy See's Embassy. The police suspected
that it was Emmanuela. However, on February first, two nineteen de tests showed it was the remains of a Roman man who died between one hundred ninety to two hundred thirty eight. Jesus and his remains were still there. M
right, but also how wrong were the police? Yeah? Okay. In the summer of eighteen, the Orlandi family's lawyer received an anonymous letter quote if you want to find emmanuela search where the Angel looks end quote, along with the photo of a statue of an angel in the Teutonic Cemetery in the Vatican. On July tenth, nineteen, the Vatican announced they were they would be opening two two tombs that were beside the statue of the angel. The tombs
were supposed to contain the remains of Princess Sophie of hohenlu Waldenburg Bernstein. Oh right, yeah, very good, and they were also supposed to have the remains of Duchess Charlotte Fredericka of Meckelburg speering. Oh yeah, shin no it well, no, no it well. On July nineteen nineteen, the tombs were opened, and to everyone's disbelief, the remains of the princess and the duchess were not inside. Oh my god, However, neither was the remains
of EMMANUELA. Why weren't the two women in their graves? So the Vatican had to open an investigation into the missing remains and found them in an underground ossary at the Teutonic College Cemetery, along with a dozen other remains. None of those remains were ever identified to be Emmanuela. And it's not really to my knowledge, it's not really clear as to why the remains of the princess and the duchess we're there. Yeah, that's all kinds of messed up.
Yeah. On January nine, twenty three, Pope Francis ordered the reopening of Emmanuela's case. An appointed head prosecutor Alessandro did in charge of the investigation. Pietro gave his first official statement to the Vatican Police on April eleventh, twenty twenty three, almost forty years after Emmanuela disappeared. Pietro believes that the Vatican know what happened to his sister, and they believe, and he believes that they are covering it up. I agree with him ten percent. I would
be inclined to agree with him too. I get that she was abducted in Rome, she lived in the Vatican. A lot of the a lot of investigation would have went on in the Vatican, So you would imagine that the Vatican would open some sort of investigation to help the Rome police, but they waited almost forty years because they were hiding something, literally, And I don't fully know on what I believe and what I don't believe from Sabrina's stories.
I mean, there's so much. There's just too much that it's motage the waters a lot, unfortunately for the family. There was a man who came forward and I can't remember the man's name, and I don't know why I
don't have his name wrote down because I'm dumb. Sometimes he came forward and he said that he was responsible for like he helped kidnapper basically, and in the Netflix documentary, he does the Netflix documentary with a scarf to hear and like to his like covering half of his face and it's like to hide his identity, which is a completely nut or fail, because he appeared on Italian TV talking about the same thing, talking about how he like was somewhat responsible,
and he actually does an interview with Emmanuel's brother. Oh no, don't like that. And the Netflix documentary I just think is so smart about it, and because they let him spew his story, spew his details and they talk about it, you know, like they interview other people about it, and they like really sell this whole how it could have been him, And
then they turn around and they hit you with it's basic all bullshit. For some odd unknown reason, this guy is basically claiming to be somewhat responsible, and I think he claims to be the American. Oh, and he's like, that was me that made all those phone calls, and you know, he's like, YadA YadA, YadA. They got him forensic people to do voice analysis and they don't match that his voice matches one phone call. Oh so he made one phone call, but he inserted himself into it at the
beginning. Yes, it's a bit unclear as to why. I think as far as my knowledge goes back, they're pretty certain that he might have had something to do with the disappearance of Marella and like that it's a high strong possibility. But he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Emmanuela. And
he knows nothing about the disappearance of Emmanuela. Some people are just fucking weird, Like, even if he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Morella, I don't like people just enjoys into ship for no reason whatsoever, and it like it breaks my heart for the family because they obviously just want answers. They just want to know what happened to their sister. And you have dumb ass people like him being like it was me just for fame, just
for five minutes of TV time. Yeah, because they know he's not going to get arrested because they have nothing actually too no into it no, which is like so upsetting. Oh, it's ridiculous. So that is the case of Emmanuela or Landy. I just think it's so riddled with like what the
fucks. It is very technical. There is a lot like there probably is a lot more that I could have added to it, but it's so it's one thing when you're watching it, it's easier to follow, but I think when you're listening to it, it's like and when you're trying to explain it to somebody, there's a lot of technical well I mean it's like six episodes. There's something that you're trying to like condense, condense, and it's a lot like it's it's all like like there's bit like stuff on the bank and
stuff, and I don't have the head for finance. I'm sorry you guys. I actually tend to leave a lot out about the finance stuff when finance is involved in my crimes, because not my crimes, isn't the crimes I talk about. I don't commit crimes. I am helping and I don't do crime. I don't do crime. I talk about crime. But yeah, when my case is like involve finance or like that kind of I just my brain just as like what, yeah, And so I'm just like, Okay,
how can I talk about it? But in the most dumbest, simplest way possible. I literally go to chat gybt for stuff like that, and I explain this to me like I'm five years old, literally literally, so yeah, tell me what your thoughts. Your thoughts are you guys? Do you think the Vatican had something to do it? I am a major conspiracy theorist and so like, I'm all here for the conspiracy theory about like sex
parties, and like, I believe it. I do believe that. No. I do think they were doing something weird to her and they needed to cover it up. It's also so interesting to me that like she possibly was moved to London and she was alive till nineteen ninety seven, and do you know and like it's like, if that story is true, that makes me sad for the family because they spent all that time hurting and looking for her
and she was alive. And well, so before we go, I'll quickly tell you all, guys, there is a new season to the Murdo Murders. If you remember I covered them, what two episodes go, three episodes
go? There is three more episodes added to the one on Netflix, and it actually dives a lot deeper into the murders, okay, and it has like a lot more information, and like I'd say, it's because he was convicted, so the information is now more available where at the time I was researching it, and more so, at the time I was researching it,
he wasn't found guilty yet. Yes, yeah he had. He still had to stand trial, so you know the ways they have to wait for the conviction before they can like be like this is only information we have, Yeah, and it is whole wild. Alex murder lies like four times that his alibi about like being in his mother's house and he is in his mother's eyes book for like fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, and then he turns to his
like mother's career, like his mother's nurse. And he's like, and if anybody like she testifies, and she's like he was like, if anybody asks, like I was here for forty forty five minutes, Oh yeah, that'll do the trick, because I'm sure you're such a nice person that people will lie on a jury, will lie in court for you. We'll purge with
themselves for you, Alex. I'm sure. And like, God bless the woman, like she is nervous as shit, like she is like understand, Like she's like, yeah, no, like that's all said to me, like kill me. And then in the like interview, like she's like I just knew, like I wasn't gonna lie for him. Why the fun would I like for him? And she was like and if I lose my job, I lose my job. Yeah there were other jobs set there, girly, yeah, like you know, like she was like justice is a bit
more important. So yeah, like I laughed, but only because he's so dumb. He's so dumb, like you're watching it. And so when police arrive on scene, he's in like a T shirt with like shorts on, you know, and he's like and then you can see on the son's phone a snapchat from like seven pm, which is like two hours before they were killed, and he's in a shirt and like he's in shorts, but like dress shorts, like fancier shorts, like Chino shorts, right, so he's
in a shirt and like Chino shorts. And then yeah, and then when police arrived, but he mentions nothing originally about being like about getting changed or like, you know, because police are like tell us your your day, yeah you know, and you're just like that, okay, okay, that's
not that's also not great. He asked someone to lie about where you were, and now you're okay, cool, cool, and he like he says that he came home at about he like came home like after the murders, and he got to the house and his wife and someone weren't in the house. So we went up to the dog kennels because that's where they were shot. And he was like that's where they were going when I was like leaving
the house or before I left the house. So we were when they weren't in the I as I just assumed they were still up at the dog kennels, and that's when he found their bodies. Like this is what he's saying, and then police it takes police a while. It takes police like a good while before they are unable to lock Paul's phone. And then when they unlock Paul's phone, there's a video that he was sending to his friend because he was minding his friend's dog. So he was taking a video of his
friend's dog because there's something the dog's tail or something I don't know. And in the background, like two minutes or like four minutes before, like Paul and Maggie were murdered, you can hear Alex murder in the background. Yeah, he's not a clever man. And I if y'all hate murderers like I do, I really advise you to watch the YouTube clip from the trial because the trial was all aired online, so I'd say it's on YouTube somewhere.
M M. The day that this sound has played, right the day that they arrive at court, he's walking in and he's like turning around talking to his son, like in between you know, different things, and he saw like I'm gonna get away with this. Yeah, and then they played the clip and he sat there and they played the clip and he just goes He's just like ah, fuck, they got me. They got me. Oh, I forgot about that whole technology. Yeah, she's now. The man
is still claiming he's innocent. But yeah, leave Matt. You mean to tell me that someone came and murdered to your wife and child two minutes before, two minutes after you were there, and you heard nothing and saw nothing, and they didn't try to kill you. Yeah, strange, strange. It's just such a likable guy. Like I said that, people will lie for him, they'll perjure themselves, they won't kill him. Yeah, likable
dude. And the series ends on a bit of a cliffhanger where some police, like some like I think one or two investigators state and then like some media state that there is a high possibility that he was not alone killer, that he had help. Oh yeah, because there was two guns, right, there was two guns. Yeah, two different guns were used. Wouldn't surprise me. Maybe that's why the Sun is still his friend. And they say it without saying it. They don't say that, but they entered it.
And Maggie's friend is interviewed a lot and in the new season, and they ask her like, what do you think about Alex having help? And she just turns around and is like, am I don't want to answer that question because I'm scared of the answer. Like she's like I don't want to like oh yeah, Like she's like, yeah, no, I'm not going to answer that question. Oh my god. And to me that just speaks
volumes. Yeah, because the sun is still out there now. It said that like when he was like found guilty, that like after court, they you know, went into like a back room or whatever, and the sun just like broke down and like bald and was like, fuck, like my brother is dead, my mom's dead, my dad's going to prison. I mean, if he's innocent, then yeah, my heart goes out to him.
But if not, I really struggled to find it. He see people, I think want to think he's innocent because they liked, I think to themselves, like how could he murder his own child? And how could he murder his wife that he supposedly loved so much? And you know, but you know in people mary their kids. Unfortunately, yeah they do. Yeah, it's a sick world we live in. It's a sick world we live in. And I think, to be honest, that the man would have
done anything to try and protect himself. Yeah, true narcissist. Supposedly, like a couple of days before the murders, you're Paul was arrested for being on a boat drunk with friends with beer on the boat learning nothing? Did you learn nothing? And so it's a it's a real case of maybe he was like, I'm gonna have to kill him because he's just turnishing your image. And then people are going to sniff out that I am laundering so much. Yeah, maybe, And then joke was on him because people found out
he lodged laundered all that money. Anyway. Yeah, true, man will never man will never get out of prison though I think he got two life sentences good and I'm not sure with or without the possibility of parole. But he has this other trial coming up for all of that money laundering. Oh he's no, he's not getting it. So he's he's he's good baths. Yeah, he isn't there for life. The judge was like, you know, a bit despicable what was done? Just a bit like the judge is
just like, you're nasty. It's true. And so that was just a little mini update for because I watched the other the new three episodes and I just thought i'd give you an update because more information was available than when I researched it. So nice, nice, I'd like to update my research. And it's October in a few daisy guys, blessed be So I have my Happy Halloween sign up because my child wanted to put it up or whatever.
Oh yeah, yeah, let's blame the child. Guys have kids. It's great ecanism as an excuse to decorate your house for Halloween in September, I'd do it anyway. Okay, I remember and decorating for Christmas. I think it was in November that was pandemic. Yes, it was like the first was it the like second Christmas of the pandemic or something? It could have been. We were all so sick of the ship that I think everyone put their Christmas tree up in November, and then come Christmas we're all like,
oh my god, take this down. Every time we take a Christmas tree down, it's like, oh, it feels so empty but so clean. Literally, I hate taking it down because like the sitting rooms are cozy, it's a whole like am But I also like taking it down because then everything's back to normal and clean and ye rich yeah, exactly. And then one last thing before we end today's episode, I just want to give Mike a
shout out to Mike actually noticed something really cool in our last episode. So Richard SPEC's stepfather, his name was Carl August Rudolph Lindbergh, and Mike thought to himself, well, if that was my name, I would just use my initials. What was his name, Carol August Rudolph Lindbergh. Carol, and it's his first name. I just built it in my head for a minute. His name is Carol and his initials are curl. Isn't that fucking deadly? That's great, it's brilliant, and I don't know how I didn't
notice it, but go, Mike, go you go, Mike. So, if you have any spooky cases that involved ghosts or demons, or ghosts and demons, I love a good demon. No, I'm not saying that out loud. Back off. Sex demon has officially left my fridge. Oh yeah, I forgot about the sex demon in your fridge. It's okay, she's done there. I kind of was getting used to her. Yeah, I know, Well, my fridge sometimes creeks, but that's just because it's a anti Freeze, anti Freeze. I was gonna say anti Frost the sex
demon, but she's just gotten old and decrepit looks like me. If you liked today's episode, and I know it's a short one, guys, sorry about that. I promise I have a really good one for next week. Okay, So if you enjoyed this episode, make sure to check out some of our other stuff if you haven't already done so, such as last week when we heard about Richard or Robert as I like to call. And you can also follow us on Instagram or Facebook or Twitter, all of which are
at give us More. If you want to see who you're listening to, you can always follow our own personal instagrams, which is at Megpile, Underscore and at Life's Nave. And if you wanted to, you could always leave us a review and we would always super duper appreciate it. You can do that, and you can find us on wherever you get your podcasts, such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts hashtag please sponsor us. It's been a while since
that one. I had to bring it back. And you can also check out our website www dot give us more dot com, where you can help us by perching, perching, perching, by purchasing some of our merch or thank you to the anomalous anominous. I can't say anomalous. That's the way I say it to the anomalous person that tip that bought us a coffee, thank you. We know who it is, we know who it is, but I don't know if they want their name shout it out. So I'm
gonna say it just she might Janet, Janet. We love you, Janet, We appreciate you, Janet, and thank you for being our number one fan. You're You're like the soccer mom of our podcast. She actually is. She's in the best in the best way possible. That's meant as a compliment. So we will see you on the flip side, you guys, catch you on the flip Flip swan chop