So how do we talk about the break. We were just taking the summer off. I have a child who finished school, and you have a job, had family over and stuff and different things, and so we just decided to take the summer off because autumnus mora vibes. Anyway, It honestly is. We drive between between the months of like mid August to like mid December, We're like, fuck, yeah, anyways, we're back. Me I'm Megan, welcome back to give us morgue. You guys, did you miss
us? I bet they wanted more? He hit it. I mean it to be fair, guys, I was going to say we've gone a whole three years without using that, but no, I think we've definitely said something along those lines before, probably when we came back from a long break. To listen, we deserve breaks too, you know, life is for living, babes. We gotta do it. I gotta do it. No, not that I'd be doing like a whole lot of crazy shit. Like I'm like, they bullied me at work the other day because I was like,
oh, I love going to the cinema. It's like it's an outing, it's an experience, and they're like, Megan, she needs to leave the house more. But the cinema isn't outing you get your popcorn. Last time, I went to see the Barbie Movie, which was brilliant, by the way. Spoilers Okay, no, no, I won't say anything, but I will tell you to wear waterproof mascara. We haven't had a chance to go see it just because child and all. That makes it difficult. But
I'm really I really want to see it. I was talking to somebody here and they were like, Oh, I don't want to go see it because it's just about her, like trying to get feeling back in her what did she call it, her new new I was like, what, I hadn't even seen the movie at this point, and I was like, first of all, how is that different to the Little Mermaid? Isn't a little Mermaid just trying to fuck? Isn't she trying to get her legs and her to
dance or to marry whatever? The prince. I'm so confused by that statement. Yeah, where did you even get that from? Okay, we've done a very brief catch up, but I'm sure we'll catch up more as the show goes on. But the show does have to go on. So today
I have a case. Now. One of the big reasons why I've taken such a long break, but like we've taken such a long break is because true crime is getting It's just it's very heavy, I think, as everybody knows, and we all need to sometimes take a break from even listening to
true crime. Yeah. I was watching Bailey Sarrian the other day and even like she was like she was on about Lori Valos finally being convicted, and she was like, there's a lot happening in the true crime world right now, like present day, and I think it's just made it like extra difficult to research and stuff. Yeah, it definitely has. And then I think, I don't, are we all just having the same anxiety this year? It's like the pandemic is Like I never I was one of those teenagers and
young adults. I was like, what is anxiety? You know, Yeah, you felt maybe nervous before an interview, But now I will wake up and I'm like, oh, where's that medication? Can't leave the house unless I take that little pink pills. Companies to date met that day guy. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know if it's like the effects of the pandemic and as we return back to like it's almost like a new normal life. It's not fully normal as pre pandemic, but it's like more normal than during
the pandemic. But now it's like, what keeps making that noise? What is the noise? I don't know. It sounds like it's coming from like a computer, but nothing is like popping up on my computer. Oh my god, what if this show? What if this episode gets cursed by the curse of Give us More? I mean, like every other episode we've ever recorded, literally, we wouldn't be one of our shows. Yeah, I almost anticipate what will go wrong today. I know. It's like it surprises
us every time. It's always something new. It's always something we don't know how to control, a void or fix. And then it's like, oh, let I message you, and I'm like, hey, so when don't you free? Because we got to re record it so fun little update. I'll never forget the time. It was like an hour and a half long episode. I think it was one of the Golden State ones. And I got to the end and the whole like last ten minutes was just aliens speak,
like our microphone is completely scrambled. It was what I don't I think. I actually shut the laptop and I had to walk away from night. You were like, I can't do it today. That's speak Jim Megan's problem. The reason why I mentioned that true crime has been very heavy is because today we're just going to be dipping, dipping our toes back into the water, just a little, just a little dip, dip test the waters, you know. Hold, is it going to scare us for the rest of
our lives? This case may actually so it's a wild case, but it happened so long ago, and there's a lot of discussion online over whether it's actually true or not. Now I am fully convinced that this is true, but I do think there is quite a lot of discrepancies in this case, which we will talk about as we go through. But it's it's a wild one, so let's get started. So originally, when I was looking for
this case, I was looking for something different. I was looking for cases of consensual homicide, which we will do at some point, and it kind of just led me down this slow, this case and rabbit hole exactly. That's exactly what happened. I read like a very short synopsis of the case, you know, in one of those lists, and I was like, Okay, I need to know more. I need to know everything actually about
this. Okay, So to talk about this, we first need to talk about something called the Lorber Society. It all began when Acobloarber, a teacher born in Slovenia, started to hear something he called an inner voice, and that inner voice just so happened to be none other than Jesus. Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. You got it. It's always fucking Jesus. It's always told me to do it. Jesus told me to do it.
No, Jesus told you nothing because he's not real. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa except when I can't find something or No, that's Saint Anthony, isn't it. Yeah, it's saft Anthony. But you know, and you're like, please, Jesus, if you do this one thing for me, I'll start going to truth. I promise I will. And so this guy, Jacob Larber, would transcribe everything that Jesus spoke to him, which ended
up being over ten thousand pages, which resulted in multiple books. No one wants to read your fucking Kazilian, long paged book on what Jesus quote unquote told you to do. You'd be surprised this this guy's he got popular, but I personally found him actually quite difficult to research. Like his wiki page is so long and so wordy that I'm like, he definitely wrote it himself. This is like back in the eighteen Oh, I mean like he definitely
wrote that himself. I think the eighteen I don't know. It was a long ass time ago. Okay, there's a picture. There's a photograph of him. It was basically well before wiki as we know it. He like pre wrote it. He was like, if ever this thing called winky gets popular, but this is my information, that would be terrible fighting God Christ tell him to Yeah. Well. In a direct quote from that wiki page,
it says, quote oh amazing. In the Great Gospel of John, Jesus explains that he is the creator of the material universe, which was designed as both a confinement of Satan and so we could take upon himself the position of man. He says he did this to inspire his children, who could otherwise not perceive him in his primordial form as a spirit. Oh, why can't we see him as a spirit. Why you hiden in the shadows, Jesus. Why hiden in the shadows? Yeah? Why you Hyden might hiden
Jesus? Is it because after you were done? She wasn't it was not so virgin Mary Jesus. Oh, that's his mom, Jesus Christ. Well that tis in really well with the story. Oh oh no. The Bible is fun to mock, and we are allowed to say that because we grew up with it. So I'm allowed to say that because I'm technically Christian Catholic or are they the same? Good question. I don't think they're the same.
I don't know anymore. Okay, all Roman Catholics are Christian, but not all Christians are Roman Catholic. Okay, so I'm Catholic, but I am not Christian. But if you're Christian, you're Catholic. No, you are a Catholic. So you are a Christian and know is that what you just said? Yeah? No, So I'm Catholic, so therefore I'm a Christian. But if you were a Christian, you're not necessarily a Catholic.
Yes, exactly. One of the questions here on Google is do Catholics believe that Jesus that Jesus do Catholics believe that that Jesus the greatest question of all time? So Jacob Larbert also wrote about free will and the importance of free will, basically emphasizing how humans can use their free will and choose if they would like to live in harmony or contrary to God's will. I'm gonna live
in country because I'm a rebel. Whoa, whoa, Calm down. You know when the rapture comes, you're going to be left here with the burning everything. Yeah, well I'll look super cool at any tats. So yeah, I'll be hanging out with every fucking thing. Arounmy is on fire. I'll just show everybody like my right titty that says good vibes. Hey, guys, we've got some good vibes. It's okay. We're gonna be okay,
like pure toxic positivity. He didn't Laubert didn't want to leave the Catholic Church, but he wanted them to adopt his writings, to take them on. Bro, what makes you think the Catholic tricks? Have you met them? What they did to him was like so much worse. In eighteen sixty nine, the Vatican cancel put his books on the index of Forbidden books.
That it's a list of books that are forbidden for Catholics tread. And it's a shame because I was really looking forward to reading those ten thousand pages about what USU said to Jacob. Look listen, I know I said earlier no one wants to read those, but really I did. But now I can't because them Catholics. So sorry, Yeah, shame oa, gosh darn. Now what will I do with my spare time? It sins? Committing sins and treacherous accins. I mean, I guess now all I'll have to do
is commit sins. Although would that mean then I get to read the book? Because then if that does mean I get to read the book, I'll just follow the Catholics loophole loophole leaves done it and then just go to it. Then just go to a church and be like, forgive me Father, for I have sinned. Oh yeah, and then then you're forgiven and then you get into you get into heaven anyway. Yeah, just like with like Jeffrey Dahmer and all of the other petos and serial killers who accepted Christ.
Did you just liken me to serial killers and petos No at this point, though, I don't think laur were cared too much because he was dead and he died in August of eighteen sixty four, so that's kind of ship. His books were published after his death. So can you imagine how ship that would be if all of your like, if all your life's findings. Yeah, and then you die after you like submit it to the church to be like, hey, follow you know, like guys, yeah, guys,
I found a way to make the Catholic religion better. And then you die and then the Catholic Church are like for Bowden, shunned, shunned, shunned. That would be so fun. So then does that mean that he's in heaven? And then the like heads of the Catholic Church are like for Bowden. And then Jesus goes, oh, oh you're oh, I just got word. Your books have been for Boden. Hell imagine and Jesus is the one. Hey, hey, I don't make the rules, buddy, I
just enforced him. I'm sorry, just came from the Big G. So so some people tried to posthumously diagnose Lorber with mental illness, okay, just because he had like yeah, people were like, he's clearly schizophrenic. I mean he might not be. He might just be a like religious not you know, or maybe Jesus did come to him or yeah, well that is also trimmy. You never know, We just because we don't experience these things doesn't actually mean that the man was schizophrenic. Yeah, literally, And that's
what other others thought. They were like, oh fuck, yeah, they loved his work and he actually gained a bit of a following after his death. Oh yeah, he wasn't alive to see it, I know. So from my understanding, it's not like there's like one big cult or compound. It's more people practicing this like privately in their own home and like different sex, like the way that you would with like religion, like with Christianity.
And but there's no like a church. No, there's no church. There's no but like you just you know, you follow your beliefs at home, like this man's beliefs. Yeah, you adapt as your own beliefs. So at this time, the followers of this branch Catholicism or Christianity, whatever, they practiced a lot of self denial. So they're like, no, I can't like I cannot have that chocolate pearer. That's that's made it alf denial. I could do with some of that self denial of being completely honest.
Yeah, that would be great. Where do I find this Man's just a disclaimer. We're not mocking religion. Well we are slightly, but like your beliefs, so you're believed these are are beliefs. Yeah, that's why we're like mocking it. Like you're entitled to your own belief system. I'm not going to like slate you for it. Each to their own, you know, each to their own. Like you can have your beliefs. You can believe this man's shite if you want. Yeah, from what Megan's saying,
please don't because it gets bad. But you know, kids, it's kind Yeah, it's kind of bad as long as you don't hurt anybody. WHOA did you hear that they're doing fireworks outside? I could hear that through through my earphones. It's nuts. Malta comment with the fireworks I know every single fucking day, like morning and midday and at night. It's on the morning and midday, like the noise is supposed to ward off demons or something. I don't know. Okay, I have Malta been reading this man's maybe so.
Yeah. The people that believed this, they also believed that everyone outside of the society was with the devil, an impure or evil or bad news. So, oh my god, they think I'm bad news. Yeah, yeah, I do. So they wouldn't associate themselves with you. They would make as little contact with the public as they possibly could. I mean since retweet, oh no, we have to say reposting it because Twitter is X. Don't get me stud that made me way too angry. I also hate
it. I missed that. I didn't tweet at all, but I missed the little tweetie burden. You know, I very rarely used the app, but I'm sure it's hell going to use it less. It looks like I have a porn app on my phone. Oh my god, it really does. I really hate it so much, like more than I should, because it's not that deep. Have you seen those people that pay for the subscriptions and it comes up on their banking apps, like a subscription to X dot
com And like one guy's parents were like, this is really inappropriate. We gave you this card for emergencies and it's Twitter. Well, why are you paying for Twitter. Yeah, don't don't do that, almost like paying for porn. Hope, why are you doing that? What's worth it? Really? Okay, I have an admission to make and I realized this, necesse, I can't pay for porn up. No, I pay for YouTube. Meg it you know why it's so worth it? Yeah? YouTube music as
well. So like Paramore and fall up Boy and a whole bunch of different bands. They have like a little of demos that are not on Spotify or Apple Music. So no, I was gonna say, but I have Spotify, but if you get stuff that's not on Spotify, I guess that's a little bonus. Yeah, it is. I don't even know how much it is a month, and that's not even it's like fifteen year old, I think, I know, I know, but like I don't watch television. I don't watch Netflix so much. I watch YouTube. You know what I
mean? Okay? Yeah? YouTube? Yeah, Well it's if it's you're like go to more so than Netflix or that I can understand paying it because Netflix is that. So yeah, that's where I was going with that. No, even when I'm going to sleep on YouTube, I put on those like you know, the like you're sitting by a fire and it's grapplings. I listened to those. Okay, so guys, I'm twenty eight and I just passed my theory tests. Congratulations, which just means I'm a learner.
I can't drive on a company, but you know, baby steps, baby steps. The night before the test I listened to I listened to guided meditations before bed to like help with my sleep and my anxiety and stuff. And I listened to an anxiety free exam one before bed. You gotta do what you gotta do. Bit you got forty out of forty, so I got one hundred percent. Slide. You killed it. I don't think I've ever got one hundred percent of tests before ever in my life. I did once
and I got bullied for it. Rude. I probably did to be fair, But you know, I miss taking tests. I miss feeling somewhat smart. No, I hate tests. Tests give me anxiety. Like tests make my anxiety worse. I never was somebody that suffered with anxiety, but I definitely have exam anxiety. Really mhmm, I can't remember if I had exam anxiety. No, I actually did really bad my leaving shirt because I have such like severe exam anxiety. Really that like it like stopped me from like
answering questions because I like would be like, oh god frozen. Yeah fuck yeah. I think with my leaving sirt, I'd given up before I'd even walked in. So it's like, yeah, it's it's gonna be what it's gonna be. I could know the answer, like sitting here now, I could be like, yeah, this is the answer, and then as soon as you put me in like an exam situation, I'm like, how do
I spell my name? I don't. I think I felt that for my oral for my Irish exam, the oral part of it, I started speaking German and she stopped the tape and she was like, do you want to start again? I was like, you're an angel, because it was like as soon as I opened my mouth, so we hadn't even gotten fair and yeah no, Like in the theory test, like I was answering the questions and like I was like, oh my god, I know this and I
know this and I know that. But then I was like almost afraid to get cocky because yeah, I for sure thought any goodles, let's go. Yeah. So the reason why that is all relevant everything about Jacob Lorber. It's because of the absolute gorilla grip that this branch of Christianity had on Harold Alexander Young. Harold was making a living for himself and his family as a
stonemason in Dresden in Germany. It was here in Dresden that world met a man named George Real, and I believe that's how he's how you pronounce his second name or I e hla, it's either real or royal. Yeah, we'll call him George. He was at the time the leader of the Laerber Society. They got close really fast because Harold had always been religious, so when he kind of found us, he was like, Oh, my fucking
God, this is my ship, this is my jam. So Harold actually moved with his wife Dagmar and his daughter Marina to Hamburg, and I believe that was to be closer to George. Then George got sick, and it said that Harold went to his bedside as he lay dying, and George appointed him as the next leader of the Laerber Society. Now, from my research, nobody was actually here to witness this, so it could be a appointed thing. Harold does emerge and was like, so, would you believe me
if I said George appointed And then someone was like yeah, probably. He was like, yes, George appointed me. That's literally exactly what happened. He came out of there after George died, and he was like, I I am the leader, and everybody in this society pretty much just accepted it. They were like, okay, cool, sweet cool. So as the new leader, he adopted some new beliefs, one of them being that the Prophet was coming back to Earth and that he would know who the prophet was
the second he laid eyes on him. Harold, shut your horror, lying now right now. Of course, when Dagmar gave birth to their son, Frank Alexander in nineteen fifty four, Harold immediately knew that he was the prophet and everyone was to obey his every wish. Convenient it was your son, Harold, Yeah, how did that one? In a middle chance? Now, I think we can all see how giving a child this kind of power is gonna like, oh my god, yeah, it's not gonna end well
at all. No, it's not, and it didn't. He would make you go mad even if you gave me the slightest bit of power. So Yeah, the Alexander family had to serve Frank's every demand, no matter how big and no matter how small. Now, as Frank got older, what happens when you're when you're a teenager, what what becomes to you? Because I'm the prophet, Like Jesus told me to sleep with you and you hit
the nail on the head, Except it's much worse than that. So yeah, he definitely became very interested in sex and girls, but he would never even dream of polluting himself with the impure and evil girls his own age, not within the society. So Frank had a great idea. So he went to his dad and he was like, instead of me dirtying myself, what if I just have sex with my mom and my sisters and that's a hard pass. Well, Harold was like, why didn't I think of that?
That is a fantastic idea, Frank, Harold, They're like, fuck, I did say we all had to obey you? Yeah, yeah, well no, he genuinely was on board with this. He was like, this is a fucking fantastic idea. What the hell is wrong with people? Just what? What? What is wrong with people? So it was agreed that Frank was going to have relations with his mother Dagmar and his sisters, as Dagmar had also given birth to two twin girls at roughly fifteen to sixteen years
previously, Petra and Sabine. Now, so it began, and sometimes Harold will even join in. So this is like a big gross incest party. Yeah. Now these two girls else, the sisters, apart from Marina, I believe she was like eighteen, Like Petro and Sabine are underage very much. They're only sixteen fifteen. Yeah, so this is just straight up raping his sisters. So while I let you digest that, let's take a short
break. So we are back from the break, and I hope you've had a little moment to just understand that what is happening right now is that Frank is the son and the prophet and he is now having sex with his mother and raping his sisters because he didn't want to ruin the purity of himself. And although we were joking, it's actually quite serious and quite disgusting, and
oh it's absolutely and he'll most certainly be rotting in hell. Frank would show more interest in his older sister Marina and his mother Dagmar than he was to the two younger sisters, Petra and Sabine. I mean in some sense, I don't mean this to be in one sense, thank god, because like at least they're of age, but it's still your sister and your mother still
sick. Definitely. And one day one of the twins was at school and I'm not sure if it was Petra or Sabine, and she was just telling her friend as she felt a bit jealous that she was not receiving the same amount of attention as her other female family members did. I'm sure they were told, like, you don't tell anybody what's going on outside of this house. But you know, I'm sure she's like, oh, Frankie, just you know, seems to prefer my mom and my older sister. Now.
Of course, this starts a rumor around the ancestual relationship of the family within the school, which then reached the parents and eventually the police. And the police actually took this rumor really seriously, and they had either opened an investigation
or were about to open when the Alexander family heard of their interest. So they decided to get the allot a Dodge and they moved to thirty seven Jesus Nazarino Street in the town of Santa Cruz and ten A Reef, supposedly at the will of God, not at the will of the family or in the dad being like, oh shit, we're going to be put in prison. I'm sure, I'm sure. I totally believe that they were able to afford
the move thanks to inheritance given to Dagmar from her parents. They may have left their home, but they settled in pretty quickly in ten A Reef. Sabine, one of the twins, got a job as a housemaid, and I believe Frank got a job as a delivery man. The locals didn't know much about the family, but they were known for having allowed organ music coming
from the apartment. They continued to practice their faith privately and for about ten months the incest relationship continued, or should they say the sexual abuse, because that's what it actually is. And that was until the morning of December twenty first, nineteen seventy. All of the family except for Sabine, we're at
home. Sabine was at her boss's house working, so at one point during the day, Harold and Dagmar go in to have a little mid day nap and Frank just heads on into the room and he just sits on the side of the bed and it's just chilling. When apparently Dagmar turned and looked at Frank in a quote suggestive way. I'm sure she did. It made Frank blind with rage. He was pissed with this look. Frank announced that the killing hour was upon them. Oh, the killing hour was something that had
actually been spoken about. Well, the killing hour was something that had actually been spoken about within the family for a while now. The family believed that women were evil, which okay, and that the only way that women could go to heaven was by giving up their physical body and sacrifice. Okay. So Harold and Frank were like, sometimes we really want to murder you, So we're gonna do that sometime, but we're gonna word it so that it's
like you're sacrificing yourself for heaven. Yeah. Cool. You don't really have a faith, so it's cool. Okay, we laugh. It's not funny. It's really not funny because this happens every single day. But okay, I did read something about Eve coming from Adam's rib and that makes women just an imitation of man or something like that. I don't know. It's all
we are to you, isn't it just a rib? Anyway, when the killing hour was announced, all of the women in the family were to stop what they were doing and start to prepare themselves, which is exactly what Dagmer did. Frank got a wooden clothes hanger and started to beat her over the head with it. To make it easier for her son, she turned lay on her stomach and put her arms down by her side. No call nine one one. But can you imagine the image of brainwashing that has had to
have happened in this family for this, just for that act. Yeah, Harold at this point jumped out of bed like the old man from Charlie and took the factory in excitement. This motherfucker hopped his ass out of bed and Rand go start playing the organ while his son is beating up his wife. All of the noise pulled Marina and Petra from their rooms, and when they saw what was going on, the two girls just sat in the middle of the living room floor with their arms down by their sides, waiting for their
brother, the chosen One, to come and sacrifice them. So he does. Frank heads on into the living room and killed his sisters the same way he had killed his mother. Now this is something I really don't get, because what in the world was he doing with that coat hanger that would have killed them? Like I can see a wooden coat hanger being enough to knock somebody out, but to kill them, Like, I don't understand. How do you do that with a coat hanger? Do you like break it?
And I don't know, I'm not Yeah, he either broke it and was using it as like to stab them. The amount of like physical force and the amount of beats it would take to like beat someone to death with a wooden coat hanger, I imagine it is quite a lot. No, it definitely would be. But this is this is kind of what makes all of this worse when you hear what happens next. It's very likely that these three
women are just unconscious, all right. Once the girls were either dead or unconscious, Frank went into the kitchen and he got a knife and I believe his par scissors, And then Frank and Harold took turns in removing parts of the women's bodies, so parts of a woman that are really sexualized. This sliced the breasts, off of each woman, as well as parts of their vaginas, and then they nailed them to the apartment wall. What the fuck.
Not only that, but they went in and broke Dagmar's chest in to retrieve her heart before wrapping it in cord and also nailing it to the wall. I just want you to keep in mind that the guys are like taking turns, so when one gets tired, they go play the organ while the other starts cutting the women's bodies. Yeah, they're like taking it in turns
to like regenerate their energy. Yeah, it's disgusting. Now. Once this is all done, the two men apparently literally danced and saying around the apartment, rejoicing in what they've done, because for them, they have just released their female family members, sold into heaven. Right, So apparently that night they went and slept in another apartment that they owned. The next morning, on December twenty second, the two men go to knock on doctor Trenkler's door.
Sabine, one of the twins, the other one that wasn't in the home that morning, had stayed the night to try and get a job done. So Harold and Frank are there at the door and doctor Trenkler goes to get Sabine, who's in the kitchen and preparing a meal. Sabine comes to the door and Harold tells her quote, Sabine, dear, we wanted you to know at once that Frank and I have just finished killing your mother and
your sisters. Sabine, as the story goes, takes her father's hand and presses it against her cheek, and she says, I'm sure you've done what was necessary. Now I have questions about this. Would you not be like destroyed, Like I don't care how brainwashed you were, Okay, you would be so upset that your mother and your sisters are dead? You would you
would have to be. The reason we have this information is because the doctor actually went and he was standing behind the door so he could hear everything. Now, my thing is, wouldn't they have spoken German to each other? I never even thought of that. The doctor may have also spoke German, or they were speaking Spanish to each other. I don't know, but yeah, there, I mean, there is definitely like inconsistencies exactly. So the
doctor immediately calls the police because he's like, what the fuck. So the story goes that he heard Harold and Frank say this to Sabine, and he immediately went and locked himself in a room and called the police from the room. There's also another version of the story where Harold sees the doctor and he turns to him and he's like, oh, yeah, we just you know, the killing hour happened, So we killed my wife and my girls just so you know, you know usual. So when the police arrived, the
boys are still there. Harold and Frank are still there, and they're like very open about what they've done. They're like, yeah, yeah, the killing Hour happened, and we killed them, like we released their souls to heaven. So the police go to the apartment and find the blood bat that was left behind. Yeah. Again, they're not hiding anything. They fully believed that they've done an amazing, brilliant, good, honorable thing. They
genuinely don't see what's wrong with what they've done. I have a quote here quote. I saw that mother was looking at me, and I had the feeling that it was not permitted for her to look at me in this manner. I therefore took the clothes hanger and struck her over the head. After I struck her several times, she fell over and lost consciousness. Father had gone to the living room to play the organ, and I also went there.
First I struck Marina on the head with the hangar, and after she lost consciousness, I struck Petra. Father continued to play the organ and praise Jesus, but when I began to remove the offending parts, he came to help me the offending parts. The men were arrested and were found unfit for
trial by reason of insanity. They were sentenced to a psychiatric facility, and although Sabine wanted so badly to go and live there with them, she was sent to go and live in a convent and she has not been heard from since the worst part. In nineteen ninety, twenty years after they were both sentenced, both Frank and Harold managed to escape, and neither have been found to this day. Harold would be in his early nineties now, while Frank
would be about sixty seven. Okay, so there's a high chance that Harold is dead. Yeah, and I say Frank is still kicking about somewhere. But yeah, that's just that's it. I wonder, like, does Sabine
like since she was moved to the convent and stuff. Did they kind of like did she see sense then when she was with the nuns, you know, Like there is also a theory online that when Frank and Harold escaped that Sabine went and was like living with them because she hasn't we don't know where she is at all, Like, yeah, she went to the convent and then was never heard from again. So like she could literally be anywhere in
the world. Could because they couldn't really have gone back to Germany good day. Well, having it been twenty years and the fact that the crimes happened in ten a Reef, there is like a high possibility that they could go back to Germany because like, you know, not many people would know them, and they could just go to a different part of Germany. Very true, kind of like m there is possibilities. Yeah, it's all kinds of
fucked up. Not only did they fall into this kind of sect or cult, they closed themselves off from the outside world as much as they possibly could. There was incests and then murder, and then these incests murderers escape. It's a wild story. Like I'm genuinely shocked that like they were able to like convince themselves so much of like what they were doing was right. I don't know. I guess it's it's easy to happen when you really want to
believe in something. You can believe anything that you that you really want, like we see it happen with cults and even in normal relationships. You know. I feel like, though, like deep down you'd know, like what you're doing is wrong. They were so like, yeah, so, like we just killed your sisters and your mother, and Sabine is like sweet,
yeah, and she's like cool, cool, cool. But then also would she not be thinking if she is so, if she believes in it so much, would she not also think, Okay, well, when's my turn. That's what I mean. I just struggle to believe that, Like, no matter how brainwash you were, I'm sure deep down a part of you was like, but I don't want to but she said, I'm sure you've done what was necessary. I'm sure she was devastated on the inside, but
at the same time she's believing that Frank Okay is the project. Okay, Well they just yeah, like they just did what they had to do. Mhmm. Like I don't know, even you can even look at scientology and think the same. I mean, scientology is fucking nuts, though nuts, Tom Cruise, your religion is weird. It's true, but yeah, that's it's kind of it. That's wild. We're both tired now, we're both
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