Hi, welcome back to give us more me I'd be megan, She'd be megan. How are how is everybody? How are you all feeling? So? I am afraid guys, we are back with good old Johnny. I fully thought that was just your sentence. Unfortunately I were back. No, unfortunately I were back with John Wayne Gacy aka Pogo the Clown a k a k A the killer Clown a k a a k aka an asshole. Very eloquently put thank you, thank you. So in the last episode, I
went through all of his victims. There was a lot of them, and I know I like speed round it, but that's just because there was literally so many of them. We talk about how the police were finally starting to sniffle or something. He killed his last victim on December eleventh, nineteen seventy eight, and that was Robert Peacet And this is the this is the case that like really gets some in trouble. Good finally took long enough, it
did it really really did. So. I had talked about Detective Cosenzach and how he basically was like, let's go and check out this guy's record because I have a funny feeling about him and he's the one that's like, something ain't adding up here, while all the other officers were like, probably just like homosexual things or something just hashtag gay things, hashtag gay things. I
feel like there's a file in some police whole police libraries. I'm aware that it's just hashtag just gay things, and it has like Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, there's like another guy that I'm currently researching. It's like them all, They're all there, Yeah, and it's just the name of the
like case file is just hashtag gay things. So obviously, if you aren't caught up to date on our John Wayne Gacy series, go check out the other two episodes, and for a break check out our last episode, which is super duper fun. Not super tuper fun someone died, but like super duper fun because we were hyper ship. Yeah, so I guess don all of stuff, Devin. That was so cute. I did a little diving that again. I may cry. Oh well, and non that kids want.
We don't want you having a mental breakdown live on podcast Nation. We don't want you having a mental breakdown live on this prerecorded show that we edit at around nine pm on December twelfth, Joe Cosenzac and a few other officers decided to knock on John Wayne Gacy's door to ask him to come down to the station for some questions. As John was the last person scene with Robert Peached peached. I don't know why I said it like that with Robert Peased.
So Robert, if you remember, worked in a pharmacy and John basically lured him with the promise of work and then killed him. And but like the pharmacy was in a local area, so like people saw him leave with wasn't it his mother's birthday? His mother was like waiting on him. Yeah. Yeah, his mother was waiting on him, and she went in being like, where the fucks my son? He finished like twenty minutes ago, hasn't comined to me? Year, half hour ago, whatever it was.
And then they're like, oh, he is he not out there because he went out talking to some dude. So for a woman, I know. Yeah, So Detective Joe Cosensach was like, let's go knock on his door, get him down to the police station. John became very annoyed and claimed that he had to stay at home because he was awaiting a phone call from
his mother. As his uncle had just passed away. The police explained that they wanted to talk to him in regards to a missing teenager and if he could either call his mother like now, like, can you call your Can you call your mom now to get the information you need and then come with us to the police station, or why don't you just call her when you
get back from the police station. Logical critical thinking happening here? Oh no, Well, this was just infuriating to John, and he accused Detective Cosensach of quote having no respect for the dead coming from the man, Oh my god, literally coming from the man that murdered like multiple and had them in his crawl space in his home on top of one another. Oh my word, no words, actually there are no my words for that pot calling kettle black. I see, Like I mean, you just have to like the
audacity. The police eventually, after like a back and forth, agreed to let John wait for his phone call and then he was to go down to the police station straight away. While the police were at John's home, Robert's body was up in the attic. He hadn't had time to dispose of the body yet because Robert's mother was basically on the ball and was like, no, my son doesn't do this. So like yeah, because said everybody else was like a runaway or something, and she was like no way, Jose.
Yeah. See this is what John's downfall was. Most of his victims they either weren't from the area, like they were just visiting, or they were like runaways or like I hate to say it, but you know, from like a poor community, so it kind of community. So like police were like, they probably just run away, where like his mother was a very much like they weren't. I don't well, I don't know if they're like class or anything, but they were like no, no, no,
this is not my son. Yeah, Like he got good grades in school, He came to work every day, came home from work every day like like completely like something has happened to him. So police were like, we better investigate this one m or better investigate. Oh you're a family with money, you will investigate for you. Yeah, we might actually do our jobs. Would you believe? Can you believe that? Can you believe that?
At eleven pm that night, John rang the police station to ask if they still needed him to come in for questioning, to which the police informed him like yeah, like can you not get down here asap? Like, dude, you cannot still be winning on that football. John told the police that he was going to be a half hour and then he would be right there. John then took Robert's body down from the attic, put it into the boot of his car. He drove to the des Plains River and he disposed
of Robert's body in the river. He then drove to the police station with his car completely full of muck because he like parked on the banks of the river. I actually believe he got stuck at one point and like someone had to like help him get out. He arrived at the police station at around three am looking for Detective Cosenzac. Detective Cosenzachison John literally he was obviously told that he'd have to go, that he'd have to come back in the morning,
as Cosenzack naturally had gone home because it was three am. HM. At nine am the following morning, John came down to the station to finally answer the police's questions. John denied that he knew Robert and said that he just offered him a job, and Robert denied the offer, so he went home. Oh okay, yeah, because it's cool. Yeah, that's what normal people do. And I say that like it does sense sarcastic but genuinely.
Detective Cosenzach had ordered a background check on John and some of the other suspects as well, like his whole focus was not just on John, but he had a strong feeling about John. When he got John's back, he went to the judge straight away and asked for a warrant for to search John's house because obviously he saw like all the arrest records and his prison time and stuff like that, and was like, ah, hell yeah, this is my guy, Judge Marvin J. Peters. It's very upset. It wasn't
Marvin Gay. Yeah, it was very close. He granted a warrant. On December thirteenth, nineteen seventy eight, the police began the search on John's home and a neighbor saw what was going on and came over and was like, why are you searching like John Gacy's house. Obviously the police were like, we can't discuss an ongoing investigation. You know, we're just searching the home. Nothing to be concerned about, kind citizen, please get on your
very merry way. And the neighbor then tells the police quote, just so you know there is an attic and a cross base in these houses. Oh my god. Yes, he was like, just so you're where. I loved that. Yeah. He was like, look, listen, I don't know what you're looking for, but there seems to be a lot of you here, so it must be serious. And in case you were unaware, like because the houses like looks like a bungalow m. So it's like, just so you know, there is an attic anne gral space and they were
like, thank you, sir. Police took into evidence his PDM work fan and his nineteen seventy eight pickup truck, which was also used as a work vehicle. They also found a rugue that had suspicious stains on it. It had been cleaned, but you could see that the stains like had leaked through the rugue onto like the wooden floor and stuff. So they were like, just don't take this. And then this is when they were like, ah, yeah, he's our guy. They also took sorry, it's like you
should have been a RECIPRCT then and there. They also took underwear that didn't seemed to appear to belong to John. They took photos of drug stores and address book, A dozen books which included Sex between Men and Boys, Pedistry, Bike Boy twenty one, A Normal, Sex Cases, Tight Teenagers, The American Bicentenial Gay Guide, and Pretty Boys Must Die. Those were those
were some of the titles of the books that they confiscated. They also confiscated seven pornographic movies, a hypodermic needle, a syringe, weed and rolling papers.
Bottles of pills which included valium, a scale, a switchblade, a pistol, handcuffs with the set of keys, nylon rope thirty nine inch two by fours that had holes drilled in it, driver's licenses that belonged to sever all different people, a high school class ring with the initials j as engraved on it, and a receipt from the pharmacy that Robert worked at, which had come from Robert's own pocket. You had to be five finger fucking me right now. They didn't arrest him. Oh my lord, I am oh,
are you trying to seduce me? But they didn't arrest him right there and then no, they didn't like, not even for the like the child pornography. No, they're like, oh, this seems okay. Police found hairs in John's vehicles that had been taken. They used cadaver dogs and the Oldsmobile, which I won't lie. I don't know what the fucking oldsmobile is. Okay, it reminds me of the Popemobile. Probably. I was just like, what the fox an Oldsmobile and was just like, right, okay,
I don't even care. There's just so much going on in my head right now. Oh, it's just like a classic car boring. So they found hairs in that and they used cadaver dogs on it, and this proved
that Robert had been in John's care. The police were also able to confirm that the receipt they found in John's house had come from Robert's pocket, because Robert's friend from work had borrowed his jacket and she was the one that put the receipt in the coat pocket and then she obviously like forgot about the receipt.
So like in the pharmacy, there was like a photo you know, where you could print your photos, and that it was a receipt for it was a customer's receipt and she had because it was in December, was cold, she borrowed his coat and she just put the receipt in her pocket while she was like getting the customer's photos ready, and then he needed his coat, so she gave it back to him, and that's how they were able
to know that it was definitely Robert's receipt. So yeah, the police took their time to build their case, and this is why he wasn't arrested then and there. I mean, it was all for the greater good, but at the same time very frustrating, literally in possession of trial pornography, and I think that that immediately, I do agree, but it was for the
greater good. It was for the greater good. So before I dive right in, we will take a quick ad break and we are back from our ad Listen, I know we all want the police to just be like, yes, we do want them to say, gotcha, sucker. They waited a little while and they build a little casey case. Police then started to question anyone and everyone who knew John. Most of them only had pleasant things to say about him because he was a beloved member of the community at the
time. I mean, of course he's a fucking yeah, like he does like children's parties and shit, and like he even went to like children's hospitals dressed as pogom and yeah, like it's nasty. Police began a twenty four hour surveillance on John. They also made it known that they were watching him.
John was telling everyone that the police were harassing him, that like, oh, some teenager went missing and they're just trying to pin it on me because it's easy for them, Like what a stupid lie, because he totally could have just been like, oh, they found it. I had some like weed, some drugs. Like people would have been like, ah, hey, oh are we up, like yeah, but for him to straight up just be like, oh teenager would mist and then they think I'm good
for it. People are obviously going to be like are you are you good here? John then hired his friend Sam Amarati as his defense lawyer, well like as his lawyer, not his defense lawyer, yeah, but as his lawyer, and they decided to file a civil suit against the dead Planes the police police department, saying that they were causing John emotional and mental anguish and loss of reputation in the community, deprivation of his liability liberties, and loss
of his personal properties because he was still missing his vehicles. Now I just want to say, we're not gonna hate on Sam Amaratti, okay, because John went to him and was like, I need a lawyer. They think I've killed some kid, and they won't leave me alone. They're like harassing me. And as a lawyer, he was like, did you do it? And he was like, absolutely fucking not. Did I do it? Like I didn't my shy blah blah blah. And he was like, right, I didn't, my shite, John Wayne, like I didn't mind get
out of that garden? Where did you get out of it? Jane? And he Sam Amaratti was like okay, okay, And then when he finds out that he does do it, he's like, oh my god. So we won't shit on him because he's actually a nice guy. Okay, poor Sam Sam. He's just an innocent lawyer in all of it. There's no such a thing as an innocent lawyer. I was just gonna say, kidding all the lawyers out there, I love you so much, so please help
me. If I ever get into trouble with the law, I will be calling you and you will forget that I ever said that the civil suit was for our whopping seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Oh how much of that was for the child porn? So John knew obviously that he was being followed, so he began to drive around aimlessly just so that the police would have to follow him, and it was just to piss them off, like it
was just to waste their time. He would also take photos of them while they were parked outside his house, and he would say incriminating things to them, but in a joke like manner, so he could actually never be arrested because it wasn't a confession. Is he trying to, like mob boss intimidate the police? Yes he is. He is? He really trin You're like you literally have a clown suit hanging in your wardrobe, sir, what's your fucking tone when you speak to me? What you fucking meant? And you're
gonna try mob pass the police? All right now? No? No, So he would say things like quote, you know clients can get away with murder what so like it's not like that, so like it's not a confession, but it's also like not funny. I feel like he was a really bad clown. That's not a funny thing to say. Your clown skills need work. Jam okay, okay, BC what I mean, Like it's not a confession, so they can't arrest him on it because like that one hold
up in court, do you know what I mean? But like I can see him like in an old movie, you know what I mean, like walking up all jovial to the police car, like putting his hand on the side, leaning down, did you know Clemson get away with murder? And then he taps the side of the police car and he just walks away all jovial. He would often invite the police in for lunch, which one time he invited Detective Robert Schultz and his partner in for breakfast and they were like,
sure, you'll go in. It meant that they could have a look around the house because they were invited in. Oh my, so John literally mob bossed his way because he goes to the sun pretty much. Yeah, so they were like sure thing. It's almost like BTK when he's like, can you trace this flock? We just send it to you, no way, what do you know? Trusable? And then he's like, don't lie and they're like, oh, we would never don't lie. Did you really
think that was gonna work? Dennis? Dennis did you really think that was gonna work. Lies, What did we want there? I know? Yeah. Well, John's not much better because he's like, hey, detective policemen, do you want to come into my house that has like purty dead bodies in it and smells completely, absolutely fucking rancid and have lunch with me?
It's stir Friday. They're like, this guy's a fucking moroun. So if they get into the house for stir Friday, I don't know what day it was, Guys, don't take that for They get into the house and Robert's like, hey, can I use your bathroom? He's like, yeah, of course, blood blood, black, and he is in the toilet. He's in the bathroom, and the heating for the house comes on, and Robert said it was undeniably blasting the smell of rotten flesh around the house.
Then, on December twentieth, nineteen seventy eight, in the middle of the night, John drove to his lawyer's office, Officer Mike Albert and Dave Hackmeister. Hackmeister Hackmeister obviously followed him because he was being watched twenty four seven, and they waited outside of sam Amati's office building John was clearly very drunk as he was staggering into the office. He told his lawyer Sam that he needed a drink, so Sam poured him a whiskey while asking what John wanted to
talk about. John picked up the newspaper on the table, which had a picture of Robert peaced, and shouted, quote, this boy is dead. He is dead. He's in the river. Oh. John then proceeded to admit everything to Sam. He told Sam he had been quote the judge, jury and executioner of what he described as quote male prostitutes, hustlers and liars. My eyes literally rolled so far back in my head I saw at the back of my own school. He also said that he often quote awoken to
dead strangled kids on his floor. Sam immediately organized a psychiatric appointment for the following morning because he was like, first of all, he just went straight into panic mode. He was like, what the fuck am I supposed to
do with this information? Because he is officially John's lawyer. He waited for John to pass out, and then he ran down to the police officer, to the police officers waiting outside the building and begged them to not let John drive off or leave quote don't let Jasey leave, block his car in, do anything you can to stop him from leaving if he tries. He never broke client confidentiality. He just begged them to help keep John in the building.
The next morning, John woke up, he wouldn't listen to Sam, and he refused to stay in the office, telling Sam, I've things to do. The police didn't stop him from leaving because they technically couldn't because they had no good reason to because Sam couldn't break client confidentiality. But I feel like you could have been like sly about it, Like you could have parked the car in front of his care and then been like, oh, that's my keys. Oh what can you do? Yeah. The police did follow
him though, like they still followed him. They still were on his trail. John drove to a gas station and while he was filling up his tank, he sold a small bag of weed in front of the two officers to a minor. So the police call this in and they're like, what do we do? But Detective cos and Zach knew that he was close. He knew he was close, so he was like, if you arrest him for
this, that's our only chance to catch him. Yeah, so he was like, dumped, just yet, give me, you know, just stay on his trail, keep up with them, but just and let me work out the finer details. So that's what they do, which I'm sure was very hard for them, because like, he's literally sold weed to a minor. But police then followed him back to his house, where he got his
dogs. He gave them to his neighbor, telling his neighbor that his dogs don't like to be home alone and that he's just too busy right now, right now to care for them as police are trying to pin something on him. The next day, he drove to his friend's house, telling his friends, I've been a bad bo. He then tried to say the police are trying to pin a murder on him. So his friend naturally like a question about this and was like, what do you mean? But this actually only
infuriated John, so he decided to leave. I've been a bad boy. The police are trying to pin a murder on me? What do you mean? How dare you fucking ask me that? Fucking rude? You don't know the troubles I've been through right now, okay, and I just don't nate that kind of negative, negative energy around me. I just lost my two dogs to my neighbor because I gave him to them. But the point.
But that's not the point. So his friend is like questioning some more, you know, and is like, I thought you wanted to tell me something, Like I felt like you were going to tell me something, right, I thought we were having a moment here. Yeah, he says this, like as John's leaving the house. So John walked back up the driveway, got like like close to his friend and was like, I've killed pretty people, give or take a few, and then walks away. Oh okay,
so right. His friend is like stood there like what what? Because I mean, I won't lie. If like that was you, I'd be like really did you just say that? Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, no, I know you'd be like you'd be stood in shock, especially after he's just been like, oh, the police are accusing me of doing something. So when you have Whilst the friend is like stood there
being like what the fuck? John actually gets in his car and he drives off, and so naturally the police follow him, so he has no time to like be like no, come back, Yeah, I have information. So he leaves his friend's house fully about ten fifty five am, and he goes to the house of his employees, Michael Rossi and David Kram. He told them like, glad you could make it. This is the last time you'll ever see me. Like, let's hang out, let's have a day
together, because you won't see me again after this. And basically what's happening is John realizes he don't fucked up. He's told too many people now that he's killed people, and so he's like, oh shit, I mean one, I was gonna say, one person to tell is too many. But then at the same time, you should like not even people in the first place. Maybe just don't have murdered people in your house to have to tell people about. Yeah, that shouldn't be a thing. Ever, he guys,
just don't, just don't. They Around eleven thirty am, all come outside and John went up to the police that were following him and we're like, listen, David was just going to draft me to a little restaurant and it's gonna have a little food. Let go, And the police are like, okay, right, all right, all right. So they go to a restaurant. They pull up outside the restaurant and David gets out of the car and he tells the police officers that John wants to go to the graveyard
to say goodbye to his father. The officers this sets off the iron bells. They're like, he's gone. He's gonna kill himself. He's gearing up to kill himself. He gave his dogs away, he was at well, they don't know he's told his friend, but they're like, he's gave his dog away. He visited his friend. Now he's visiting two more people that work for him, and now he wants to go visit his dad's grave. Like he is gearing up to kill himself. So they warn David, like,
don't take him to the graveyard, you know. They're like, he's gonna please if you take him there. We just feel like something bad's going to happen. But David ignores the police's concerns. He gets back in the car and he pulled. He proceeds to pull out of the parking lot,
but the police immediately pulled him over. He was pulled over by dez Planes Police Department, Cook County Police Department, an Illinois police department, because John's friend had called nine one one about John confessing two murdering thirty plus people and for selling minor drove for selling a minor weed. I wrote that, so weirdly are confessing about murdering thirty plus people and for selling weed to a miner. Oh, there's so much going on, like break it down for y'all.
We have the two police officer that have been following John the last two days and they've witnessed him sell the weed and they're like, what will we do? And the detective cos and Sacks like leave it, Wilby. Whilst they're followed, obviously they don't know the conversations he's having with all his friends that he's going to visit. But he confessed to his friend, I've killed thirty people, give or take. And his friend is like, what the
fuck? And then John drives off and the police officers follow him and the friend is like, oh shit, I should have stopped those police officers. Whilst the two police officers are following John with his two employees, concerned that John's going to kill himself, the friend is like, hello, John Wayne Gacy just confessed to me that he killed thirty people, give or take.
Yeah, good, And they're like got up and because of where the so he's like, then the two police officers are like or like they get the phone call from Cosim back and he's like, pull him over. So they pulled him over on the account of selling the weed. And then because of where the murders have taken place, Cook County Police Department and Illinois Police Department also arrive at the scene to arrest him. Because they're like, you've murdered
in several counties. They came together like the fucking Avengers to get him. Yep, too bad they didn't do this sooner and like ignored one another. But it's okay. They did it. In the end. They got there, We got there, We got there. They held him on bail for one thousand dollars for possession of a controlled substance. The police then warned John that they were going to rip up his floorboards to look for Robert Peast because
they still believed at Robert Peast is in John's house. John told them that there was the body of a guy he had killed in self defense buried under his garage, which was his attempt of stopping them from taking up his floorboards. Listen, you won't find Robert Peace there, but you gotta find the body some guy I killed way back when in self defense, okay, and that was remember the guy that was making him breakfast. Yes, the guy that was just trying to be sweet and make him breakfast. He killed him
in self defense. John, Honestly, you did you really think telling them that it's not the body of Robert Peas, but it's another guy's body would stop them from tearing up your floorboards after your friends just called nine to one one because you've said that you've killed at least thirty people. I don't understand. Sure, this is not big brain thinking. I know it's really not. Police thanked him for that information. They were like, thank you,
we appreciate that. We're still gonna pull up your floorboards, but thank you. Don't think you're going to go back there anytime soon anyway, And yeah, they were like, basically, it's too late, Like we're gonna pull up your floorboards and we're going to check that crawl space for Robert's body. Now keep in mind, they don't realize how many bodies are actually in the crawl space. They're literally expecting to find Robert Peace and then that other guy
hmm. They called the medical examiner Robert Stein, so that he can go into the crawl space to like get the body, because they like they are fully expecting to find Robert Peace's body right m Once in the crawl space, Robert Stein immediately found a human bone belonging to a male. However, it soon became clear that it wasn't Robert Peace, as the body had been in the crawl space a lot longer than Robert was missing. Police decided that it
was best to continue the dig the next morning. They were like, Okay, well, we've just found a random body. Let's like because it was a it was a busy day, let's not lie. Yeah, So they're like, let's kick this up in the morning. So they go home and they're like, right, do this in the morning. And while that's happening, John realizes that he don't fucked up, and he did not use his
big brain. That was not That was not big brain thinking. So he's like, I, guests, I should just probably fess right now because it's probably the only thing that's going to actually help me in the long run, because I'm already caught. They were in my house right now, you're tearing up my fucking floorboards, because I wonder if the death penalty was like a thing at the time, if it still is a thing, and if that's why he was like, oh, well, I better just go on ahead
and confess to save myself from the death penalty. Could have been he knew he was like already caught. Like he's like, I'm I'm fucked, Like I'm gone. Okay. So it was abolished in Illinois on the first of July twenty eleven. And fun fact, number of innocent people freed from death row twenty two. M not that many. Yeah, number of executions since nineteen seventy six is thirteen so and then number of executions before in nineteen seventy
six was three hundred and forty eight. Oh my lord, So that's something. Just tip it for y'all before I go any further. Was gonna take oh quick at break and we're back. So we just talked briefly about the death penalty in Illinois, and John just started his confessions because he was like they, oh, you got me. John went into detail about how he
had killed all of the boys. He would rape them and then he would explain his handcuffed trick which I explained in a previous episode, which is basically he would put trick handcuffs on himself, get out of them, and then would like, do you want to learn how to do it? And they'd be like, oh my god, yeah, that was so cool, show me. And then he would lock them in actual handcuffs that only he had the key two, and he'd like booking, got you you did? Yeah.
Basically fucking vile human being literally, So he explained that to the police, and then he also explained a rope trick, which was basically a similar thing to the handcuff trick. He then had a rack that he would tie his ms too, and he would often go behind his victims and throttle them with a board or a rope, and he would then bury them in his cross space. He told police about how when he ran out of room in his cross space, he threw five bodies in the des Plains River. He
also admitted to police that Robert Peace's body was in the river. The police were not sure how to take the confession. They were worried that John was just trying to distract them from pulling up the floorboards of the house, and they're like, is he just saying this so that we'll go search the river and not search his house, like which you can understand because he has taken them for a ride already by driving around aimlessly at night and stuff like that.
Yeah. However, a tow truck driver confirmed that he had to get John's car out of the murder, out of the murder, out of the mud at the river on December twelfth, when he was supposed to be at the police department for questioning. And I'd mentioned John drew a map of his house for police and he marked off where they could find bodies. When the news broke of the horror. Sorry, I've just been thinking about John going down there to dispose of a body, to dispose of rubber peace and then
having to call a tow truck service. Hey brother, what are you doing down here? Oh? Nothing, you know, the usual? Like hea did that conversation go? Literally, why are you down here? Like? Dude? So dumb? Dude was so dumb. So when the news broke of the horror of John Wayne Gacy's house, parents of missing teams from all over America waited outside John's house along with the media to find out who was identified. Before Christmas nineteen seventy eight, police found around five bodies in the
crawl space and one in the river. The days after Christmas, they found roughly ten more bodies, then a further six. By December eight, twenty eight, another six bodies and one in the river was found. Police roughly found about twenty six bodies in the crawl space, and they found four in the Desert Plains River and then two underneath his home. So John said that he threw five bodies in the Desert Plains River, but police can never find
and find one. They could never find one, and obviously without the body they can never identify him. John was indicted for aggravated kidnapping, deriveted sexual assault, murder during a felony, and murder. John's home, after being pulled apart to find all of the bodies, which they did find something like
thirty four or thirty six bodies all together, was demolished. On April tenth, nineteen seventy nine, police struggled to get John to his court hearing to court for his hearings as the court was so full of the media, grieving families and spectators. Robert Peet's body was found on April ninth, nineteen seventy nine, after a windstorm washed his body to shore. On January tenth, nineteen eighty, John entered a plea plea of not guilty. Sam Amarati tried
to get John released on bond, however the request was denied. They also tried to plea an insanity defense, however, he was declared the mentally fit to stand trial. To be honest with yeah, I think sam Amaradi was like, how the fuck am I supposed to represent him? And you know, like trying to be a good lawyer. Yeah, when he's just without even knowing, without even knowing it taken on like America's biggest case at the time at the time. Yeah, So like he's just out here China's god
damn best, you know. Yeah. John's trial began February sixth, nineteen eighty. Prosecutors William Kunkel, Robert Egan, and Terry Sullivan argued that John was a cold and calculated killer. John's defense team tried to convince the jury that John had multiple personalities and was schizophrenic, possibly from childhood traumas. There were over sixty witnesses, including the testimony of the victims, families, and friends, the defense had a psychologists testify, but he ended up actually just
proving that John was extremely intelligent and completely sane. Didn't go well for them in the same department. Yes, but I wouldn't. I hate to say that any of these assholes aren't any way smart. Yeah, I know, I know. I mean, listen, they get away with it for so long, so obviously there is some sort of smarts there. But I would not. I don't know it smarts are incompetence on behalf of the police. I'd say make sure both. Yeah. The boys that John had raped also
came and testified. One boy even threw up on the stand just from the stress of reliving the horror that had happened to him in John Gay's home. That poor baby, Oh my god, I just I don't even want to I don't even want to know what John done to him. That just the thoughts of reliving it made him like actually physically vomit in front of the jury. Oh my stomach just turned for him. Literally. On March twelfth, nineteen eighty, after two hours of deliberations, the jury found John Wayne Gacy
guilty on all counts. John reportedly winked at the deputy sheriff on his way out of the courtroom dirt back, I know, right. William Kunkle told the jury that John was competent, a skillful torturer and murderer, and if you allow this evil man to walk this earth, then God help us all. Oh so they were going for that death penalty. Oh yeah, oh yeah, which do you know what, I don't normally agree with it because
I'm like, let them sit posm forever. Yeah, in this case when it's like proven beyond a doubt, Like because earlier I just read that and I read it here that there was twenty two innocent people freed from death row. Like for one innocent person. It's not worth killing all of these absolutely guilty, without a doubt people to kill one innocent person. That's just not fair exactly exactly. But when you have men like John Wayne Gacy in the
world, you're also like fucking burn them. Yeah. And he's such a scumbag that I really feel like he's going to absolutely love prison for the fact that everybody's gonna know what he's there for. He's going to have a certain amount of notoriety. Yeah, Like, like you know, you don't deserve that no. The jury deliberated for a further two hours on the sentencing, when finally agreeing to sentence John to death. John painted a lot in men
aad Correctional Center. I hope I said that right where he was awaiting death row. He liked to paint a lot, no words. He tried to appeal his death sentence by saying that he had a helper. However, the appeals did fail. And I just want to state that only one person ever said they felt that there was another person in the room. M yeah, there's absolutely no proof, none whatsoever. However, he did have like a
lot of staff and stuff like that. So yeah, and he did like he was able to get people to do things for him, Like he managed to get that kid to beat up one of his victims. So it's like, I don't know, I don't know, sorry, that kid that beat up one of his victims. He came back in the story. Did he become a victim himself in the ender? And no, he was just who he was with John, And when he was arrested, he was the one that was in the car with him, not the one that was like,
oh yeah he still worked there. He didn't listen, I'm not gonna like he John hired like dyningite kids that needed money, do you know what I mean? So yeah, a real case of if you don't do this for me, I will fire you. And then that's a case of well fuck, what am I going to do for money? Like he pays me, well he looks after me. On May tenth, nineteen ninety four, at the age of fifty two, John Wayne Gacy was executed at twelve fifty eight
am at Statesville Correctional Center. His last meal was a bucket of KFC ironic twelve fried shimp shrimp fries, strawberries, and a diet code because he was watching his weight. But I just love that he went for everything fried, only for him to be fried in the end. Was I like to share?
I believe so. Yes. His last words reportedly are kiss my ass, although a few people have stated that they don't ever remember him saying that, Yeah, that seems like well, though I don't know, it does seem like something John would say because he's such a fucking asshole and he's just living out like his own scare face dreams. I was just gonna say he like he does have the audacity, the gold, the nerve to say kiss
my ass. Ever, if you like, if you watch the confession taps on Netflix about him, I think it's that, and like I think it's the prosecution. Like, I don't think it's his defense lawyer. I think it's the prosecution lawyer is like, I don't believe he said that. Yeah, Like I feel like if it was Sam am Araddy, you'd be like, ah, Sam, you're just saying that because he you know, you were his lawyers were buddies. Yeah. Where, No, I actually believe
it's like one of the prosecution like lawyers. That's like, I don't I don't ever remember him, Like, I don't remember hearing him say that. I don't know. It just it seems like something out of like a really low budget movie. But it does also seem like something he would say. I know. On a lovely note to end the story, Robert Stein, who I did mention earlier, I believe he was one of the arresting officers. He tried to convince anyone in America missing a young male family member or
friend to come forward, as there were bodies that were unidentified. He buried he himself. Robert Stein buried all the unidentified boys bodies in separate graves with their own markers that said quote we remembered. Robert stated quote, I don't want to see you go to your final resting places as just numbers. November ninth, I know, yeah, like, what a what a sweet angel? What a sweet sweet angel. On November ninth, two and eleven,
DNA resulted in identifying William Bundy July nineteenth, two thousand and seventeen. DNA results identified James Haykinson October twenty fourth, twenty twenty one. So it's still going. They're still identifying bodies. DNA results identified Francis Alexander. There are
still five bodies unidentified soul listeners in America. If you believe a family member who went missing between nineteen seventy five to nineteen seventy seven was a victim of John Wayne Gacy, you can contact Cook County Police Department at seven or eight eight six five six two four four, or you can go to Cook County Sheriff dot Org. I hated that, but I loved that, And then now that's it, guys, that is the unsettling case of John Wayne Gaycy.
But with a lovely little to Robert Stein for not letting it be about John Wayne Gayzy for letting it be about the victims. Really big well done to all of the detectives who put in the work at the end, the ones who like followed him around. The ones was a Krasinski, Yeah, Joe cos Zach Cosenza really like he really wanted to get them, Like he was like I don't want to rest him over just any old silly little thing
mm hm, and like I didn't like state it properly there. Like you can see the images, like the media images of like the police coming out with all of the bodies, Like, um, I can't remember which boys I said it was, but there were several boys that like were buried on top of one another. Yeah, there was a set of friends. Like
police had to the police had to like diffuse them from each other. Ah, Like police, like I know we gave out about them in the last episode and that, but when it came down to it, like they were taken like five or six bodies out of that house for the guts of a week two weeks and it was over the Christmas period. So he was arrested on December twentieth, December twenty first, twenty second, twenty third, and
I even believe on twenty fourth they were like digging up the house. Then like they returned like December twenty seventh, and we're taking up more bodies and more bodies and more bodies, and it just like kept going for them. And they actually like had had dug up so much of his house that all that was left of his house was like the shell of it. Oh my god, how did he even Matt Like, I'm not even being funny, but how do you even with the logistics as that? How do you do
that? And I don't like, I don't mean this in an assult of way, but he wasn't like a healthy man, Like, he wasn't like a fit man to like do any of that. But they literally like dug up so much of its highest that basically it was a shot. So that's why they demolished it. It was actually cheaper to demolish it than it would have been to build it back up again. My heart is literally broken. I feel like the older I get, the more these cases really affect me.
I know what I mean, won't lie Like when I was like watching because I watched them confession tapes and like when you're watching because they show actual footage of that the police had taken themselves of the house and of the like officers in the house like digging up the bodies, like you can see them, Like they're like, how many more are we going to you know, like it's a real like case if they're like, how many more are we going to find? Because I don't know him anymore I can find do you
know what I mean? And you're like, oh my god. And then the fact that there's still five bodies out there, well, technically there's six bodies out there because they never found all five that you put in the Dead Plains River. So there's still six people out there that have never been identified. And this happened in nineteen seven, Like he was arrested in nineteen seventy nine, and it's twenty twenty two, almost twenty twenty three. Hey,
he's done. We can file him away. I don't know about e Megan, but I will forget about this case, not like as in I'll know it's horrible, but I will forget details. And I think it's just my brain being like, oop, you don't need it anymore for your own piece
and seventy we just gonna lack that away. In all seriousness, when you do a podcast or when you do like when you're interested in your grim or whatever it is that you do, you need to have like this, a lock box in your brain is like Pandora's box that you just who and you put that information in there, and you lock it up and you throw away the key. That was John Wayne Gacy. Everybody, he is a doozy.
He is three parts. I am well aware. And as I said earlier, if you are from America and you believe that you have and if you believe that you have a family member or a friend or like your mother or father has a friend from that went missing between nineteen seventy five and nineteen seventy seven, well then get in contact with Cook County Sheriff's Department and give
them your information. And if they if you can obviously get a hold of DNA or relatives DNA that they can run against the missing the missing boys. I think I think what Robert Stein did was just beautiful, to be honest. Yeah, me too, agreed, And I think more people like that need to be in the world. Agreed so well. I think we can go ahead and thend this we go ahead and cry. Yeah yeah, just be kind to one another and literally really hope you enjoyed this week's episode.
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