I'm also I'm just gonna apologize in advance, Cottle turn on the dishwasher. God damn it, cattle she had gurgling over there between your dishwasher and your fridge. They'd be singing the song of their people. They'd be like, feature of not for free, okay, unbranded dishwasher. I'm like, they probably have a brand, but I refused to say the brand on this show point sponsors. They're gonna be like, y'all need some chill here, have a mini fridge. I wouldn't say no to a mini fridge of them being
I love a mini fridge. Where would I put it, I don't know, but i'd find us. I feel like I want a mini fridge for all of the times that I don't have barbecues. You know, back in the day when we'd have people over, we had a little mini fridge and we would like plug it in an extension need so that it could commit so trash and just put alcohol in it. Oh let you say that, But in my old home house we had a drinks fridge. Oh yes, capt fucking tigger, let's go. Those were the dates, Oh say radio,
anyway, let's introduce ourselves. Hi, welcome back to give us Mark, me him, Megan and you are listening to another episode and we appreciate that where openings are always so weird. I did it stretched off slow, you know, and then by the end of it it's like, oh god, please think it stop. Oh wait, I have a pause phone. Anyways, welcome back, and you're in for it. So it's I'm just gonna say, you've done this to yourself. Yeah, there's not gonna be any
any laughs this week. I know last week we kind of we could get away with a bit of the funnies here and there. M Yeah, however, not so much this episode. And I will put I will say just a little disclaimer. Some of what happens here is not so great and happens to quite young boys. So if that is too much for you, I really do advise that you turn away, because like, I get it,
I researched it. I never then get you know. That was one of Linda's favorite songs and so my we live obviously in the same time as Megan does now, but before that we loved up in Dublin and we used to travel to go see like my relatives up there because all my relatives are from Dublin, and I've spent many a night in the backseat of the care because I was only like eight, too young to be the front you know yourself, And Linda does beat the last and turn around bride guys. No,
mine was, um, Shania Twain, that was I'm Pink. My mom loved Pink as well. Pink is pretty awesome, so I'll give her that. I would take Shania Twain over Pink and a heartbeat. I am like music wise, Pink's new stuff now today, absolutely her older stuff like um, I'm coming so you better get the start. I'm kinda that was pop. Yeah, that still goes hard. Oh my god. Yeah, but
you know Shania Twain, Let's go girls. No, no, no, no, nothing will ever beat the feeling, just the like I don't like the lightning that just takes over my body when she's like, let's go girls, It's just like, oh yeah, I'll go fucking Faraoh like a rabid animal. It's like yeah, And then the song's over and you're like, where am I. He've tunneled through like three houses, You've made it through a fucking dumpster. You like wake up in the middle of a Field and
you're just like, how did I get here? It's my place? Sni are Twain And yeah, well that was a music hour with Give Us More. Last week, a movie hour we had, No, we had a movie hour the week before last, and then we had music hour last week with Power and now we're back to Yeah, next week I will be able to tell you about um a play because we're going to see Misery in the Amazing is great. Wait is it going to be an English or I don't know? So I okay. The ad came open my Facebook and it didn't
mentioned what language it was going to be in. And it's either going to be Maltese, which is going to be amazing, which is like I'm not going to understand a single fucking word, or it's going to be in English with Maltese accent I assume unless they've done like some training to get rid of their accent. Either way, iconic, it's going to be amazing. Last week, Oh my god, last week for Valentine's Day? Did I mention this last recording? I don't know if you did or know that we went
to go we went to go see a magician. No did I tell you? No? You didn't tell me about this magician. Oh okay, so for Valentine' So I was like, I really wanted to be special and we never celebrate Valentine. I really wanted to be special. Well you know, so the place is called Chamber of Mysteries, right, and we get dinner on the show. Right. Cool? We go. So we have this little old man as our waiter, and I didn't know what to get from my main and I was like, would you get the risotto or the chicken
breast? And he looks at Nile and he like cups his own chest and he's like, I'm I'm a breast man. I prefer the breast, like, oh okay. And then he comes to dessert and like we're having wine. So when they ask us if we want coffee, we're like no, no, it's okay, thank you. He goes to Nile. He cold like goes to half whisper into his ear and it's like, are you sure you don't want to stay up tonight for the day? That's in it? Dirty old man? Yeah, but like you done it in a funny way.
So it was like ha ha, you know butt, And I was like, excuse me, sir, I am still in my prime get home falls asleep. But it was. It was very good in all and would recommend a great night if you don't want to go out and just get drunk for your date. Just that sounds honestly to be honest. Oh, he got us both involved in the actual show itself. It was a wild time anyway. Now the magic portion is officially over, so let's get into the
case. So obviously last week we talked about Last week we talked about his early life and like his childhood, growing up and all that stuff, and we also talked about his first two murders. So yeah, I guess this week we're just gonna delve more into it. And I have a funny feeling it might possibly have to be three parts just because there is a there is
a lot here unfortunately, so I'm just gonna literally jump straight in. On January sixteenth, nineteen eighty eight, Jeffrey met fourteen year old Jane James Docks to tour outside of a nightclub. Jeffrey offered James fifty dollars to spend the night with him. The pair went back to Jeffrey's grandmother's house and they had sex. Because Jeffrey is still living in his grandmother's spare room at this moment
in time. At about four am, James told Jeffrey that he had to start heading home because at the end of the day he is only fourteen. So he's like, yeah, no, like, I actually can't stay the night, Like I have to go home. Yeah. Jeffrey offered him one last drink and he spiked it. James passed out in Jeffrey's arms. Jeffrey then strangled James to death. He then put James's body in the basement and came back up and he had breakfast with his grandmother. I don't understand.
This is his third murder. He's done it right under his grandmother's own nose, and then he just goes opened casually has breakfast literally with her. For about a week after the murder, Efrey would go down to the basement at night and he would lay with James's body. So James's body is still there a week after the murder. Surely Jeffrey's grandmother is starting to think, okay, two things, so they're starting to smell and then also, what is
he going down there for? Oh, like he'd wait until she'd go to bed to go down like, but also, yes, she does definitely notice a smell. Okay. He eventually crushed all of the bones and cut the body into small pieces and he put them out for the trash. His grandmother started to notice a smell in the house, and it was because he was trying to preserve James's skull, but once again it became true to brittle and
he had to throw it away. And any time that his grandmother would be like, Jeffrey, what is that rancher ass smell, He'd be like, oh, I'm just doing taxidermy because that's what the father had shown him years go. So he was like, that's just my hobby and it can't smile and I'm sorry about that. And the grandmother was just like, right, okay, I mean sure, I guess I don't know. Maybe it's different
because you know, he was doing it and his dad's done it. But I'd be like, in my home, no, and you can also show me what you're doing, because what you know, do you get me? I would want to see it. I one thousand percent. And look, I think for her it was a case of she was just like an old lady who was just like right, Okay, he's just doing taxidermy. It's
just a weird kid. I guess. Imagine you live your whole life and it's relatively normal, and then your fucking grandson moves in when you're elderly and like supposed to be living your best life, and he's fucking murdering people in your head, and then you just think it's taxidermy, and you're like, oh, I guess, okay, I guess. I mean you're weird. Whatever it means. You're not out like drinking, So that's good. Which would you prefer? I would rather my house didn't smell of dead people.
But she doesn't know it's dead people. She thinks it's dead rodents. I'm just gonna say that's still just bad. Like In February nineteen eighty eight, a month after the murder of James, Jeffrey tried to pick up twenty seven year old Bobby Dwayne Simpson the Pyramid at a bar and Jeffrey took him home. Jeffrey tried to spike Bobby's drink. However, the drugs were off quicker than expected because Bobby is a twenty seven year old man, not a fourteen
year old child, so they don't take the same dosage. Jeffrey, God, Jeffrey, Jeffrey really done a damner on that one. Huh, silly goose. Jeffrey had no other option than to just let him leave unharmed, and he just was like, oh wow, you must have just got really drunk. Bobby was just like fucking out of here. On March twenty fourth, nineteen eighty eight, Jeffrey met twenty two year old Richard Guerrero at a
bear Jeffrey offered Richard some money to spend the night with him. He then drugged Richard and strangled him to death before crushing his bones and disposing of the body. Sorry, that was like over in the blink of an eye. Yeah, a lot of these will be because there is just honestly, there's a lot of them. So he kind of he just he has the same mo for pretty much all of it. And sometimes he hangs on to their body for a little while, and then sometimes he just discards of it like
immediately. And I don't mean this to send recrued and like disrespectful to some of the victims. I think it had mostly to do with how attracted he was to them, is how long he would keep them. Well, that's not just based on sexual preferences, because he would take not sexual physical appearances, he would take time to get to know them before he'd done anything.
I found it like sometimes right, yeah, no, Like he doesn't have like a sexual preference, as in, like he doesn't like prefer a particular like hair type. Yeah, he doesn't have a type. But I think the more attracted he was to a certain person, the longer he would hold on to their body and try preserve that, where then other times it was just more so the thrill of the kill and the disposing of it, if you get me, m I think it just depended on his mood, which
is gross as fuck. So the following weekend, Jeffrey took home another man, twenty five year old Ronald Flowers Junior. However, when they got back to the house, Jeffrey's grandmother was still awake, and she shouted down the stairs, jet is that you, Jeff? Like she was like, fuck's going on? Because any other time he brought someone back like she was past the fuck out of sleep because she was an old lady living her best life as she should. Jeff told his grandmother he was making a cup of coffee,
and he sent her back to bed. He gave Ronald a spiked cup of coffee, but felt too nervous about killing him. With his grandmother awake, he helped a drugged up Ronald to a bus stop. He then put Ronald on a bus and left him alone at a random ass destination. So he walked this man to a bus, put him on the bus, and then he went home. And the bus was at like the last top, and you know, it was like sorry to get off now. It was
better than the alternative. Oh absolutely. Several days later, Ronald woke up in the hospital with no memory of how he got there. Ronald told police about the last thing that he could remember, which was going home with a man named Jeffrey Dahmer. The next day, police called to visit Jeffrey and they questioned him about Ronald, but obviously Jeffrey just told him that Ronald had too much to drink and he tried to help him to a bus stop,
and whatever happened after that, Jeffrey couldn't be sure. The police had no evidence that Jeffrey had done any harm to Ronald, so they just dropped the investigation, which listen I get the guy had no physical harm on him, So how do you prove that Jeffrey did drug him? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I wouldn't say they're like running any you know, talks screens on his blood. Like if he admitted he had been drinking and stuff like that. As soon as police would have heard that he went home
with another guy, they would have just straight up lost interest. M Jeffrey's grandmother had asked Jeffrey if he could move out because the smell in the basement was just too bad. And again he was claiming that this was from taxidermy. Like she was like, hunt, sweetie, cutie pie, I love you, but the fuck is that smell? Get out of my house?
Please say I can't take it no more. She's right, Like to they put, how weird is it that you would have to go and tell your friends at Bingo that you had to kick your son out because your grandson out because the smell from his taxidermy was stinking up your house so bad. Yeah, Like, I'm not gonna want to tell Susie about that. No, Jeffrey managed to find himself an apartment and on September twenty sixth, nineteen eighty
eight, Jeffrey met thirteen year old some sack synthosom phone. He asked some Sack if he would be interested in earning some money. Keep in mind he is thirteen. All he had to do was let Jeffrey take some pictures of him. Jeffrey offered him fifty dollars for one hour. Some Sack asked if these photos would have to be nude, and Jeffrey told him that it didn't matter whichever he was more comfortable with. Some Sack agreed and went over to
Jeffrey's apartment to take some polaroid pictures. Jeffrey then gave the young boy a spiked coffee. Before the drugs had fully kicked in, Jeffrey began trying to take off some sex's clothes. The young boy quickly copped on to what Jeffrey was trying to do, and he managed to escape Jeffrey's apartment and he ran all the way home. He managed to make it home before passing out from the drugs. His parents rang the police immediately, because first of all,
it's the thirteen year old son, like what the hell? And then second of all, he wasn't like a kid that was into drugs. Yeah, I mean he's only a baby. Sum Sack was able to show the police where Jeffrey lived, like he was able to tell them like where he went. And the police then searched Jeffrey's apartment and they found a bottle of sleeping pills and the photos that Jeffrey had managed to take off some Sack. Jeffrey was then arrested for second degree sexual harassment. He spent six days in jail
before Lionel posted his bail. Lionel then hired Gerald Boyle to represent Jeffrey in the trial. Gerald ordered Jeffrey to undergo a psychological evaluation. This brought to light Jeffrey's deep feelings of alienation and how he was an impulsive individual. However, Jeffrey was found guilty of the crime, and while he was awaiting Entenson,
he committed another murder. The absolute neck like he is no that you just said, He's was literally proven to be impulsive, like he is absolutely no control, like he's just yeah, I'm just gonna go do that. And so before we do do that, we'll just jump on into and I'd break On March twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine, Jeffrey met twenty four year old Anthony Sears. Jeffrey claimed he had knock gone out with the intention of picking up a victim when Anthony quote just started looking at me. Oh he
was really asking for it. Huh, Please note my sarcasm. He made eye contact, you know, obviously. Yeah, Jeffrey brought Anthony back to his home and had sex with him. When Anthony tried to leave. Afterwards, Jeffrey drugged him and strangled him to death. Jeffrey then disposed of the body, but he kept the head and his genitals. That makes me violently uncomfortable. I'm so sorry there had to happen to that man. He put them in his locker at work, his work locker. What First of all,
who's hiring fucking Jeffrey Dahmer. He works at the Ambrosia factory, remember, and yes, Ambrosier, that's for you. No, it is. But why is your rice pudding so gross? Anyway? Trusting? Yeah, I don't know if it's the same ambrosia, to be perfectly honest, very well might not be to bring it to work, even though you have your own apartment at this stage. It's because he knew he was like about to
be sentenced to Oh yeah, I forgot m Yeah. So he was like, it'll be safe in my work locker, as if they're not ever going to look there, and it's not going to start to smell. And your manager doesn't have an extra key tier work locker, and if he doesn't, he's not going to get a locksmith, and they're not going to find the genitals and head that you have. They don't what they don't find the genital
holes in head. Ah, that's what's most annoying. No, like they like, I mean like his boss, like nobody ever like is like, what's the smell coming from jeff locker? I mean with an ambrosia factory, probably stinks like shit anyway. On May twenty third, nineteen eighty nine, Jeffrey was sentenced to five years probation, one year's jail time with work release. What was that name? What was that date? Again? May twenty third, that's my birthday and also two days after Jeffrey's birthday, So get
fucked happy birthday, bitch. He got five years probation with one year's jail time, and with that jail time work release. That meant that Jeffrey was allied out of prison to attend work six days a week. You just go in to serve your silly little jail time for your silly little crime one day a week. How is nettin? Jeffrey was then released from prison two months
early in March nineteen ninety. He only had to do twelve months jail time, and he only did ten for trying to sexually assault a thirteen year old boy. I'meric mercle. Can't even say anything because like everywhere, I mean, Arland was covering up babies murders at that stage, so like we have our own ship. But you know, you know, yeah. Jeffrey had got leniency from the judge by writing a letter in which he stated that quote,
I'm an alcoholic and a homosexual with sexual problems. We're just stating the obvious facts here, kid, don't say. Lionel had also written a letter to the judge asking to help Jeffrey. So basically this letter was like, look, listen, my boys troubled. I'm well aware my boys troubled, but like, please don't do this to him, and like we'll get him into shape. And the judge was like, you know what, that sounds good to me the military. The US Army could not get this boy into
shape. But Lionel's like, I'll do it. Lionel, you couldn't even keep him. You've shipped him off to your grandmother's or to your mother's. Lionel does not whip him into shape. When Jeffrey was released from prison, he got himself an apartment at Oxford Apartments in Milwaukee. Shortly after moving in in May nineteen ninety, just two months after being released from prison, Jeffrey met thirty three year old Raymond Smith at a local nightclub. Jeffrey offered Raymond
fifty dollars to go back to his apartment to take some pictures. Once they got into Jeffrey's apartment, Raymond was immediately drugged, and Jeffrey then proceeded to strangle him to death. Jeffrey then took photos of Raymond's body posed in different positions as a little memento, you know, for later on. That's just so upsetting. Jeffrey then set up a shrine in his room. This was somewhere for him to keep the skulls of his victims. He hung up a
black tablecloth and a winged mythical creature to symbolize the devil. I can't remember what that creatures called, but you know it, He later said, quote it was my way of remembering their hearings, their physical beauty. I also wanted to keep them. If I couldn't keep them there with me whole, at least I could keep their skeleton, all right. YEA, just feeling here that you have abandonment issues just makes I don't know where you're getting that
from. I just never want them to leave me ever, even in death. I'll just keep their skulls. It'll be fine. Yeah. Jeffrey painted some of the skulls with an off white paint in order to make them look more like decorations. Just in case anyone was like, what's that, He'd just be like, oh, that's a little silly, little decoration. Jeffrey had an eighty gallon pot that he used to boil the victim's bones in. Then when everything was dissolved, dissolved, he would pour it down the drain.
You would pour it was like acid, was it? Yeah, he'd pour that down the drain. I don't understand how that works, because I feel like acid isn't going to dissolve everything. And then also is that not going to totally fuck up your your pipeline. And he was living in an apartment complex. Yeah, yeah, I have so many questions, but not that one is not answered. About a week after murdering Raymond, Jeffrey lard
another young man back to his apartment. Jeffrey attempted to drug the young man, but Jeffrey got confused and drank the wrong cup and instead drugged himself ka. After a while, Jeffrey passed out, and when he woke up the next morning, his watch had been stolen, along with three thousand dollars.
Yeah no, sorry, three hundred dollars whoop, that's what get. Jeffrey was naturally unable to report the crime because he was planning on murder during this man, So have fucking big would you feel knowing that you got away with that shit? Like later like being that guy and be like I have your fucking watching your fucking money piece. Years later, he's like Jeffrey's arrested and
he's like, oh, oh that guy I robbed him. But that night, like imagine noticing that Jeffrey very clearly, because it's say, it's really obvious, like drugged his own drink and you're like what wait, wait a minute, wait a second, that's probably why he robbed him. Yeah, but like, you know what, fuck the ship. Then, on June twenty third, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met twenty seven year old Eddie Smith. He told Eddie that he was a movie producer in order to lure Eddie back
to his apartment. I'm sure once Eddie saw the apartment he was like, you're not a movie producer. No, no, no. Jeffrey then drugged and strangled Eddie. Jeffrey then took photos of Eddie, but he wasn't satisfied with them. He then decided to try and dry out Eddie's skull by placing it in the microwaves. This caused Eddie's skull to explode. Jeffrey would later claim that he felt bad about Eddie's murder as he felt it was a waste and had been for nothing. Oh, had been for nothing. All of
your murders were for nothing other than your own sexual gross greed. Imagine what a violent thing to say. Yeah, just being like, oh, that murder was a waste. Excuse me, sir. That was somebody's like son, that was his life. Yeah, and that murder was a waste. Your life is a waste, Jeffrey, Your life is a waste. Yeah. Then on July sixth, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met a young male and lured him back to the apartment. The pair had sex and then fell asleep
All that night. Jeffrey was waiting on the man to say that he was leaving, so that he could be like, let me just get you a drink and I'll drug you and kill you. However, the guy never did. The guy was like, kind of like you yeah. The man ended up staying the night, and then the next morning asked if they could meet up later that day when he was leaving. The pair met up the following
night, on July eighth, nineteen ninety. When they got back to Jeffrey's apartment, he had no more sleeping pills to drug him, so instead, Jeffrey just picked up a mallet, snuck up behind him, and hit him over the head with it. What he wasn't even going to leave though, not Jeffrey was just like, m he's probably going to leave this time, so I'll just like jump the gun and attack him. Jeffrey didn't hit the young man hard enough, though, and the pair got into a fight.
They eventually tired themselves out, and the young man told Jeffrey that he was like, look, I'll forgive you. I'm not going to tell anyone about the assault. It's all good. Like I hit you back, so we're even, and Jeffrey let him go. Jeffrey was like, cool, thanks man, all right, I can't believe you let him go. Well, I guess he couldn't fight him off anymore. That young man immediately ran to
the police. Yeah, he told them the whole story, but he asked not to inform his foster parents that he was gay out of fear of being thrown out of his foster home. How old is this guy? We don't have his I don't have his name or his age, but if he's in a foster home, he is under the age of eighteen. So in fact, he could be even under the age of sixteen. I'm going to say it's safe to assume he was under the age of eighteen. Wouldn't be completely
out of his world to pick up somebody that young. Anyway, the police found this young man's story so bizarre, and they never went and questioned Jeffrey. Excuse me. They were like that's a weird story. So he's probably just soundcrack or something, you know, the gaze assert. What I'm assuming is a young child came to you and said, I've been attacked by a
grown ass man. So we had just recently, like recently, I'm not even talking about episodes from years ago that we've done where we had John Chimowski, we had John Wayne Gacy, and we have Jeffrey Dahmer. M don't they all have victims who went to the police that wouldn't believed did John Wayne Gacy? Yeah, John Wayne Gacy, he had one kid that's that basically told them everything that John did and John was like, no, that was all consensual, and the police were like cool, cool, cool, Yeah,
that's right. But that's great. So far, just in our recent kind of episodes, it's a common it's very frustrating, and even in the most recent case, I'm like, we're tuteen now that happens in England, Like that's in England in the seventies and eighties. I'm like ninety nine percent sure that happened with Fred and Rose West as well. Like it's just so annoying that it's so common that police are just like m okay, And there is a part in this that what the police do is disgusting, disgusting.
Yeah. On September two, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met twenty four year old Ernest Miller outside of a bookstore. Jeffrey offered Earnest fifty dollars to go back to his apartment and take some pictures. Jeffrey lay Earnest on the bed and listened to his heart, and then he tried to give Earnest oral sex. Ernest told Jeffrey, quote, that'll cost you extra, Okay, do what you gotta do. He was like, you paid me fifty dollars for photos.
Jeffrey then cut Ernest's carotid artery with a knife, leaving him to bleed out in a minute. He then took his photos of Ernest's body. Is that for the first time he had, Sorry, I can finish every sensor, No, no, m He just he then dismembered Earnest's body after he took the photos. Yet, that's the first time he's like slit like that.
Yeah, Like he's never done that before. He's always up until this point and pretty much after this point, this seems like a random like first off, he drugs them, like he spikes their drink, and then while they're out of it, then he strangles them. And it's when it's after he strangles them to that it's when they're dead, is when he starts doing all of his cutting and his such Like. He's such a fucking coward that he can't even he has to drug them to do anything. He's such a
fucking coward. Jeffrey kept his biceps and other portions of his flesh in his fridge. This was when Jeffrey began to consume the meat off of his victims. He thought that cannibalism was a way of honoring them. Quote, it made me feel they were even more a part of me, Jeffrey, Hun, you just be and shit, Okay, you just be and shit. Yeah, you're just sick, Like you're a sick person with a sick mind.
You don't need to come up with this like poetic shit. I thought that, No, okay, just say that you're fucking sick and you wanted to eat human flesh. Don't beat around the bush. On September twenty fourth, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met twenty three year old David Thomas at a local mall. Jeffrey offered David money back to his apartment to take some photos and
have a few beers. Jeffrey then drugged David. When David had passed out, Jeffrey decided that he wasn't attracted to him, but he panicked that if jeff that if David woke up, that he would try call the police, or he would tell the police because he brought this man back to his apartment one thousand percent sober, you know, probably drugged him with coffee and was like, fucking shit head, I explained this, Yeah, So Jeffrey decided
that the only solution was to kill him. Jeffrey strangled David and disposed of his body. And Jeffrey didn't kill for several months after this, and he claims that he felt really guilty about it, but that basically it wasn't until after he had drugged him. He was like, I don't find him attractive. Oh, I feel so bad for taking somebody's life that I didn't even do it. For a couple of months, I didn't I couldn't even kill anybody for like a while. Oh my god, it took me a whole
few months. Then on February eighteenth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met seventeen year old Curtis Stratter at a bus station. Curtis was an aspiring model, so when Jeffrey offered him money to take some headshots, he felt like he just had to say yes because he was seventeen. Jeffrey then drugged and strangled Curtis once that they got to his apartment. Jeffrey then disposed of Curtis's body, but kept his hands, skull and genitals. Then, on April seventh,
nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met nineteen year old Errol Lindsay. Jeffrey once again offered Errol money in exchange for some photos. Jeffrey drugged and strangled Errol. Jeffrey then flayed the skin off Errol's body. No thank you. He placed the skin in salt water an attempt to preserve it, but was unsuccessful. For somebody that spent a lot of his childhood preserving shit, he wasn't
very good at it. No. On May twenty fourth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met thirty one year old deaf model Tony Hughes at a local nightclub. And this is the guy that Netflix put a lot of emphasis on but
watching the documentary, Tony knew Jeffrey for sure. They had met a couple of times before, just because they were about gay men circling the same nightclubs and stuff, and one friend, I think, mentions that they possibly did hook up together multiple times, but it was not in the context that the series put it in. So I think that the series meshed Tony with the unnamed guy and that they kind of just mixed the two a little bit together
to try to create this story. Tony's friend drove them to Jeffrey's block, but Jeffrey wouldn't like let the friend drive to the apartment block, just to the estate block that you know what they call a block. I have no idea what's a block, what's a meter, what's a fun like, what's a yard? I don't get it from my understanding. Basically, he let Tony's friend drive them to the top of the estate, but wouldn't let him like drive in to where the apartment block would have been, so that he
wouldn't know where he lived. Yeah, Jeffrey and Tony sat in the backseat writing notes to one another. That was the last time that Tony's friend ever saw him. Jeffrey drugged and strangled Tony to death, and he left Tony's
body lying decomposing on the bedroom floor of his apartment. And Tony's friend was actually interviewed and was heavily considered a suspect for many years because he didn't know I believe he didn't know Jeffrey's name, so he was just like, I dropped my friend off with a guy at the top of this block here, and then the police were like sharded shaded. So that was on May twenty fourth. Then on May twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey picked up
fourteen year old Connorac Synthasophone, the brother of some Sack. Jeffrey did not know at the time that the two boys had that the two boys were related. He just saw a young boy that he wanted to take home. Jeffrey took Connorac back to his apartment, where Tony's body was still lying on the bedroom floor. Jeffrey drugged Connor When Conaract passed out, Jeffrey decided he wanted
to try out an experiment that he had previously failed. In this experiment, after raping the young boy, Jeffrey drilled a hole into the top of Connorac's head an injected muriatic acid Jeffrey wanted to wanted this to turn his victims into a zombie like trance to stop them from wanting to leave. At around one am, Jeffrey had finished with his experiment and he left Connorak unconscious on the sitting room floor to go and buy some more beers. While Jeffrey was out,
Conorac regained consciousness and managed to escape from the apartment. He made his way to the streets. He was completely naked and could barely walk or talk. He had a fucking hole in his head. Three young women found Connorac in this state and they called nine one one. They got a blank get they placed it around the young boy to keep him warm and to cover him
up, and they waited with him while they waited on the police. Whilst they were waiting on police, Jeffrey had come back from buying the beer. He found three young women with Conorac, and he was like, Oh, it's fine, he's with me, nothing to worry about it. I'll just take him upstairs. It's fine. And the women were like, what do
you mean he's with you? You're a grown ass man. This is an actual child, and I'm pretty sure he's covered in blood and it's fully he wasn't covered in blood, but he had like say, like a trickle, but he wasn't mean that's enough, like you know. Yeah. So Jeffrey was trying to take Connorac back into the building, but the three women wouldn't let him. He told that the He told women that Connor was his friend and he just said too much to drink. Women did not believe this for
a second. The women managed to keep Jeffrey and out on the streets when two officers arrived, John Blassarak and Joseph Gabrish. And I am only saying these names because these men should be absolutely disgusted with themselves ashamed. Jeffrey was fully cooperative with the police, answering all of the questions. He gave them his name, his address. He told the two officers that Conorac was his nineteen year old boyfriend and that he had he just had too much to drink.
He then told police that Conorac often acted like this after a night of drinking. The three women didn't believe any of Jeffrey's story, obviously, and they began arguing that the boy looked way too young to be nineteen years of age. The officers got annoyed by the women, one of them shouting quote, shut the hell up and don't tell me how to do my job. Jeffrey said that it was hard to tell the age of Asian people because they
always look younger than they are. Wow, okay, casual racism. Jeffrey told the police officers that they were more than welcome to escort the couple back to the apartment where he had pictures that he had taken off his boyfriend, where he still has Tony's body on the floor. Jeffrey used these pictures to prove that Conorac was his partner. Now, he had taken these photos earlier on that day, but it just helped him that Conorac was now naked, so he wasn't in the same outfit. So he was like, look,
we took these couple photos together. The police accepted Jeffrey's story. However, when Jeffrey opened the door to his apartment, they got a strong smell. The police entered the apartment to have a quick look around. They were about to enter Jeffrey's bedroom, which is where Tony's body was still lying on the floor, but the officer then decided that it was none of his concern. The officers then told Jeoffrey quote does take care of em. As they left
the apartment. Within any hour of police leaving, Conac was murdered. If the police had bothered to go back and do a background check on Jeffrey, they would have found that he was on probation for the sexual assault of Connarract's
brother. The two officers, Joseph Gabrich and John Buszak, got back into their squad car and over the police scanner made a comment about how it was a quote, domestic squabble between two homosexuals, and then went on to say that they were planning to go back to the precinct to be quote deloused, No flay, Really fucking great a police work here, the two of you.
You should die just feeling so fulfilled that you really don everything in your power given to you as a police officer to serve and protect the people. The one award. Actually, I know. One of the women that had called the police, her mother, Glenda Cleveland, called for an update on the boy. She rang several times, and every time she called she was brushed off. When Glenda saw Connorract's missing person's poster, she rang police again,
but was ignored by her concerns. When Jeffrey was eventually arrested, both officers were investigated and they were fired for gross negligence. However, John fought his dismissal. Quote at the time, with the information we had to this day, I think we'd done the appropriate thing, the best we could. You couldn't even open the bedroom door. You, as a police officer,
you know what decomposition smells like. I'm sorry, as a and like, as a police officer in these bigger areas, you definitely know what de comp smells like. You do you know because they were gay, Well, because Jeffrey was gay, you didn't care. You let your prejudice prejudice absolutely like just ruined the lives of multiple people. In nineteen ninety four, the two officers were reinstated and worked as police officers until the day that they both retired.
So I have no words. Yeah, I just think it's absolutely disgusting what these I think, like these police officers, I really hope to hell. And I'm not saying that they're responsible for Conoract's death because obviously Jeffrey is responsible. Jeffrey done it. I hope these men never slept a night in
their life ever. Fucking again, you walked him back into that apartment, and I'm sorry you walked him back into that apartment knowing right well he was not nineteen, because there is a difference between nineteen year olds and fourteen year olds. M No. They literally charged him back to his death. Yeah, and they just they just didn't care because of his age, because of oh he's a gay. Literally gonna leave it there for this evening because I
feel like that's enough trauma. Feel like that is enough trauma for one evening. Absolutely is so horrific and awful. The crimes that he's committing are horrific
and awful. But when I read about those two police officers, I was literally somad because I was like, I was like, you literally walked in, smelt the d comp and then just decided to yourself, I was gonna leave because they're gay, so m and like, you're walking towards the bedroom door, You're telling me that the smell isn't getting stronger as you get to the door, and then you just decide, you know what, none of my business, not my concern. He had been lying there for three days
in May, like it's warm in May. They sure they knew there was a smell, they could smell it. They just are like, oh, no, there's somebody out there breaking an open container lots somewhere or jaywalking. We really need to get them, literally. And it's the fact that then Glenda Rang when she saw the missing posters, being like, this boy was like literally like in my apartment complex, or I don't think she was.
I think she was a neighbor. I don't think she she's living the same apartment, but you know, like she was like, he was in my area the night he went missing. Police walked him up, you walked him into an apartment, and they were just like yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine. Yeah. But the second she even mentioned the police brought him back, they're going to be like, nah, I'm sure he was fine.
It's nothing to do with us. What the worst thing is is that his brother some sack, had ran back home, gone to the police and trusted that the system was going to make sure that this would never happen to anybody else again, and then it happens to his own brother it happens to the family. Like so later on, during like Jeffrey's trial and stuff like that, like a few family members speak out and I don't know if I have it in my notes or not, but like this family were like,
why did you target us? Like you did this not once but twice to our family. Yeah, I hope they sued the police department or the city. There is a lot of suing that happens later on in life. Some of it is towards Lionel. It's just an all around sad situation for everybody, for everybody. Um, next week, I'll do the final episode. And I'm sorry it's in three parts. It's just there's a lot, unfortunately, and and I don't want to skip out on any of them because they're
all so important. M yeah, absolutely, So next week I'll talk about the final few murders and I'll talk about his arrest and Karen Karmen gets them a song. I'm gonna say, Karmen gets the Okay, Well, we'll see you next week. Guys. Oh, we never did otros and we have no time left orgy go follow us on social media's and give us mark everywhere. We're running out of time Ah'll find it. Check our show notes for our social media's check us out on Apple and Spotify and wherever else you
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