Hi, and welcome back to give us Mark me. I'm Megan, and we have just discovered that we are Internet Explorer. Yeah yeah, nice and slow. So we are recording like weeks in advance, so are like topics of conversation for you guys have happened like weeks ago. So we're like that Internet Explorer meme. Literally, we've just passed Valentine's Day and we're like, oh, we could talk about Valentine's Day and it's like, no, this is gonna be like three weeks later. They're gonna be like, what the
fuck are you talking about? And then I wanted to talk about Rihanna's super Bowl performance because I'm sorry, girl kill was amazing. She yes, oh my god, pop off queen, which you're like, well, pregnant belly, you look cuty buttuti. She performed for thirteen minutes straight with no special guest. It's I don't I don't know super Bowl stuff. They yeah, they usually like bring out special guests and stuff, but like she just killed it, Like she just was like, I don't need a special guest.
She's amazing. Yeah. Rihanna's fan club Literally I literally stand Rihanna, and I hope she makes new music soon. Although I didn't love her song for the Black Panther movie. I didn't even hear it livet me yup, it's like all I know, I'm literally no, but I am obsessed with Paramore's new album. Oh my God, can we get a random applause for Paramour? No? Can we? Because I literally swear to Christ Never, never in my life have I actually heard a whole entire album that I actually like
every single song. Liar Liar just makes me want to like get married and helope. It's just beautiful. I was listening and then running out of time, running out of time a bop Crave so go Fock. That was my favorite song on my first listen of the album, and then God Big then Yeah you have to do the little hand like little little little because because he's little yeah, and it's kind of like she's saying, he is a little penis my first song on first list My favorite song on first listen was Figure
eight. Now it's a toss up between Big Man and It Pick Skull, Pick Skull, Yes, Mother, Haley Mother. They did a fallout Boy where they like leave their best song to the very last song on the album, so on this occasion, I can forgive them for it only being a ten track album. Mhmm. Do you know I was hoping for twelve to
fourteen. But even with a ten ten track album, every song slaps every song everyone like, I feel like they broke the album up so that the first kind of like four songs are like Dancy and Bobby and the rest, and the rest are like a different kind of vibe. Like I feel like the vibe it even though they're not bops, the vibe still doesn't go down.
You're still like, yeah on it on the high. Like like I was listening to it and I was like, you know, like you're listening to it and I was like, oh yeah, that's a nice song like
that. Oh yeah, I like this song. No no No, I like this song no no, no, no no. I always find like, what like singers and stuff bands, there's always at least one or two songs that you're just like, E looks like, of course you're not gonna like every single song you were like favorite artists released, because it's like it's just you know, never, never gonna happen. But like, for the first time in history, I literally was like, no, this album though
this album though, and me and Meghan are Goussie live. Oh we are reuniting literally to go and see Power Moore. I'm forcing Megan to fly all the way to Dublin just to see Paramore for one night. There's there would be no forcing, honestly, like Fallout Boy. Growing up, when I
was a teenager, Fallout Boy or probably my favorite band. But then the older that I've gotten, I've really leaned into Paramore a bit and fallout Boy have just released have just announced their yes right, but Fallout Boy didn't release an Irish date and I was like, oh, I could go to London and no, I just couldn't wire. Neither did Beyonce and adults you know. Rude, Okay, rude, we need dates too, It is rude. Beyonce is doing three nights in London, three manga, three nights in
London, and you can't make oh trip across the pond. She's going to like Sheffield or something like that. Sheffield. Okay, controversial opinion. Beyonce is overrated. Oh no, I would like to see her alive. I won't lie, Okay. She's an amazing singer, an amazing artist, but I think she's overrated to the point where like, I don't know. I just I don't know. It's like I'm sick of hearing about it. You know, I get it, I do. I get it anyway. And
that was Emo Music Hour with Megan and Eve. That was her review of Paramour's new album stream This is why sponsor us stop imagine. No, I think I would actually like die Oh my sweet Jesus Christ, I would. Yeah, yeah, my heart would explode. Okay, well, get ready for your heart to explode for a different reason. Tea, I don't want to. Can we just make this like an a music episode? Yeah?
Oh my god, Nave, You're so good to me. So in case you don't know what we're doing this week, and I I'm gonna give you a clue. Um. Not everyone's gonna get it because not everyone will have watched it. But it's relax. I want to take some pictures. I'm just gonna give you a clue, and it's going to be the name of the episode. Everyone will have watched the series, so not everyone will get
it. It's a complete Not everyone watched that series. I actually didn't, so NI watched it, so obviously I've seen bits and pieces of it, but I it, I just didn't want to watch it. And then I had heard so much about family members of victims hadn't even been contacted in regards to it. And for Netflix, who are such a major, major operation, like you created a whole ass fictional TV show because it's not all real, well, they like they used victims family's likeness in the court scenes and
stuff. I, by god, that's so spot on, and it was actually scary her spot on. They got it, m but like, you know, you dramatized something that's already pretty traumatizing for people. And in case you don't know who we're talking about, we are talking about Jeffrey Dahmer. Oh god, I've been dreading doing I researched this and I don't know why I researched it. I don't know why I did this to myself. Yeah.
Yeah, but can we just step back for a second, you guys, and appreciate that Nive has like been doing this constant like serial killer stuff. And I'm here with my like one part of episodes like before Kelly am Bates, which is obviously horrific, but like haunted episodes and stuff, I'm like, he and then Nive's like murder Dead. So I guess I'll those jump right in. You guys are missing this. Nive does a little dive
every single time. It's my favorite. I look forward to it. Yeah, if we ever start like filming these, oh fuck no, I'm sorry. You do not want to see how we look right now. I got my odeon, I got my cup of tea, I'm wearing today's makeup. I have a burst pimple on my face. It's just I'm straight out of the shower. So I feel like nobody looks good when they come out of the show. We'll knockout me. When I say straight out, Obviously I did dry my hair and put on clothes. I didn't just run down the
stairs in motel like I gotta record. Booby's are flapping forgive us more. You do what you gotta do. It ain't much, but it's all honest work. So with that being said, we'll just jump right into the fabulous. Now, he's not fabulous at all. He's not. He's really not. That's not like he's just so. Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer was born May twenty first, nineteen sixty in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Sorry, that's Nile's birthday. That makes him a Taurus. No, oh, no, Nile is a
much better person. And don't worry. Nile doesn't go killing bunch of people at least I hope he doesn't really know of He did get some new American cycle style glasses though, so he's just living his dream. I don't know. His parents were Lionel and Joyce Damer. Lionel was studying at Marquette University when Jeffrey was just a young boy. Lionel wasn't really around much while Jeffrey was growing up him. He was always kind of studying at college and then
he went on to just then constantly be working. He was a research chemist and he worked extremely long hours. Joyce suffered from depression and possibly had other mental health problems that were never really fully discussed and never were really fully like released or anything like that. But I mean you can tell by her actions that she has like deep rooted issues. Joyce did attempt suicide by overdosing on pills. She was unsuccessful in killing herself. So Jeffrey was described as energetic
and as a happy child. Then just before his fourth birthday, he had to have surgery for a double hernia to be removed, which is like very wild for a four year old. Yeah, that's a big surgery for a four year old. And also a double hernia, Like I always thought a hernia was something that you kind of just got because, like you know, it was you were pregnant, you had some sort of injury, or you got hit with something. I didn't I never realized that you could just get
one. Apparently, so after the surgery, jeff jeff After the surgery, Jeffrey was very withdrawn and uncommunicative, and it appeared as if he was summary suffering from PTSD from the surgery. It is said that it was never actually properly explained to him, like what was happening. He just went into the hospital one day and had this massive surgery, and no one, not his parents, not the doctors ever like told him. And I know he's only
four, he wouldn't fully understood. But also he just as a four year old was just brought into hospital. Yeah, that would be traumatic for a child. But at the same time, who's reporting that he was never told? You know, I'm not too sure as he says he can't remember, you know, I'm not too sure who reported that. I just remember hearing it, so you know I heard it within my researching. Jeffrey had a younger brother named David, and he was born in December nineteen sixty six.
Jeffrey was jealous of the attention his brother would get from his parents, but mostly from his mother. His family then moved to Iaho, Ohio. Why can't I talk? Oh my god, I just spat out my tea. I wish we had a son board so that I could just replay leave saying Iaho, why did I I can't talk today? You guys just speaking the truth, to speak the truth. The family moved to Ohio when Jeffrey was six years old. From an early age, Jeffrey began showing his interest in
bones and stuff. This was something that Jeffrey and Lionel would soon bond over, just father son bonding over bones, bonding over bones as you do, you know to see usual During dinner one evening, Jeffrey asked what would happen if the chicken carcass from the dinner would be dipped in bleach? So they were obviously having like a full chicken for dinner, and he was like, what would happen if I just like dumped that in bleach. So well,
now I'm curious. So Lionel is a research scientist. Okay, you guys, and we're not going to go give Minel hate because mine hate for this, and I feel like he shouldn't live because he's a research scientist. So he thinks his son is just curious and wants to research shit. Lionel decided to show Jeffrey how to safely bleach and preserve animal bones. He bought Jeffrey a chemistry set and was excited to have something to bond with his son over
because Jeffrey was so like secluded in himself, like so withdrawn. But then when he showed an interest in something that Lionel could also take interest in, he was like, fuck yeah, like I can bond with my son over this, of course. I mean, okay, in my opinion, all kids are somewhat curious about dead things. I mean, who hasn't when you were a kid seen a dead bird and wanted to hold a funeral and all of this stuff. And can I just say, Jennet Ortega, She's like,
oh yeah, I used to like dissect rats or whatever. She said, some mad ship in an interview, and everybody was like, yes, my queen. But when a dad and his son, okay, taking away the whole fact of what monster Jeffrey grew up to be or just curious about like bones, like you know, they're vilified, literally, like Lionel was vilified for showing Jeffrey what to do because of who Jeffrey turned out to be.
But obviously Lionel didn't think to himself, show him how to do this so that in the future he can kill like loads of people, you know what I mean. Obviously not like like an archaeologist or somebody who this is their job, you know that. I mean, surely they showed some sort of interest as a child as well, this is what I mean. So I just thought, you know, like leave the man alone. He was
just trying to like exactly. You know, y'all got those two amazing soundbites from me and Megan in this episode already you got Megan's bond of bones and you got my iaho. Jeffrey was obsessed with the noise the bones made when they shook, so he actually kept a bucket of bones and he called them
his fiddlesticks. No, yeah, that upsets me greatly. Jeffrey then started to collect road kill and would just die sect them and preserve them in his quote clubhouse in the garden, which was just like the shed nicky Mouth club. Come inside, it's fun inside an horror show. It's fucking and Jeffrey Thomas day secting and preserving dead, already dead animals. Jeffrey then began decapitating
the dead animals, and he would display them on sticks. It's important to state here that he wasn't killing them himself, he was all finding them already dead. Well, that makes the decapitation was better. I'm sorry, girl, what the fuck? Imagine like you came home and you found your fucking child had decapitated a bunch of roadkill and put their heads on sticks, Like, Mama, I made some art for you. Happy brother's Day. I think the fuck Not no, we're going to plan c ye, But like,
on second, I don't think i'm your mom. Sorry. Jeffrey's mother was bedbound a lot of the time, just by the amount of medication that she was on, which was roughly twenty tablet today. Like that's not great. Oh gosh, I feel for her kidneys, isn't it? Your kidney, so that get affected by his parents would argue a lot of the time, and they wouldn't really pay much attention to him. And then his mother
was like obsessed with David, but not so much him. So Lionel stated that when Jeffrey was eight years old, he was sexually abused by another boy in the neighborhood. However, Jeffrey said that he didn't remember that ever happening, so there's no proof. Wait say that, so Lionel Jeffrey had been abused. Lionel said that when Jeffrey was roughly eight, he was abused by another boy in their neighborhood, but Jeffrey was like, I don't think I
was. I don't ever remember that happening to me. See, there's two different ways you could look at that. Then that it did happen, and he Jeffrey reported it maybe at the time and he just blocked it out, or Lionel is trying to retrospectively defend Jeffrey by saying, well, this happened, maybe that's why. Yeah, Jeffrey had a high IQ, but only ever had average or below average grades in school. The only class Jeffrey ever took an interest in was biology. He played the clarinet and tennis. Okay,
I can see him in a pair of tennis shorts. Jeffrey said that by seventh grade he was drinking during school. By the age of twelve, he was drinking gin out of a fask he kept in his locker, and this is confirmed by some of his at the time classmates. I feel like that's just like that before two thousands of the you know, I feel like people were smoking cigarettes and getting crazy at school at a younger ages. Yeah, yeah, we're back then. It was like, he's probably just on
a tough day at school. The finger painting didn't go well today. So whenever anyone questioned him on the flask, he would say that it was his quote medicine, which like same, Like where did you learn that from? At the rival age of twelve, like a sweart cord. According to one girl, she remembered Jeffrey drinking Scotch out of a styrofoam cup in the middle of class. That's just hardcore though, but also horrible because I can imagine
the styrofoam would start to break down with alcohol. No, I would have thought, so, I'm not gonna lie, right, I find that hard to believe somewhat, just because like surely the teacher would have smelled that. Oh yeah, like that's against the open container laws. If you're gonna drink hard fucking alcohol, you need to have it in a flask. Jeffrey, Jesus Christ Christ, We're in a class, Read it together. Jeffrey didn't
really have many friends and mostly kept himself. However, in school, in order to get the attention from people, he would make odd noises at inappropriate times in the middle of class and we all know one of those guys. He would also fake seizures and draw body outlines in order to make his classmates
laugh. Yeah, body outlines are hilarious. He then snuck into pictures of all the different school clubs for the yearbook, so like just before they took them, he would just like like a mere cat height that is that is kind of funny. His friends, well quote friends, would pay him to do weird things out in public, and they would call it doing a Damer.
I really thought that that was like, you know, a high school movie trope of like oh, you just did a Megan because you did something silly or stupid, like you know you're doing a X name, but okay, doing a damer. It was around fourteen years old when Jeffrey realized that he was gay. As he came out of puberty, he began having fantasies of raping boys, which is very concerning because he's only fourteen years of age.
Yeah, to be at that age and even know what rape is is a horrible thing, but then to fantasize about it, it's like, what the fuck? Obviously, and I'm not like obviously, We're in the seventies. Now realizes he's gay. He's fantasizing about raping boys. You're not going to tell your father or your mother. I fantasize about raping boys. I think I need help because that would tell them that you're gay. And it's the seventies, and god forbid you'd be gay in the seventies and dream about
raping people. But also, ye oh, I can't tell. I can't tell my parents that I might be a sexual predator because then they'll find out I'm gay. I like boys, but like what I feel like those? I get I know, I get it, but yeah, what At sixteen years old, Jeffrey noticed a guy that would jog near his home every day, and Jeffrey began to fantasize about how he wanted to knock the jogger unconscious
and rape them. And one day the fantasy just became too much for Jeffrey and he decided that he was going to go hide in the in a bush along the jogger's route with a baseball bat. So this guy literally ran the same like loop every single day for months, so Jeffrey like knew at the same time as well. So like Jeffrey knew exactly when he was going to be running past. So he was like got his little baseball bat and was
like matta to shoe. But Jeffrey it was nut because for so Jeffrey's plan was to jump out and hit the jogger unconscious, rape him, and then murder him. But after waiting hours, the jogger never showed up. The jogger just like randomly decided that day to not go for a jog. After jogging the same loop every single day at the same time for months, he was like, that's insane. Actually doesn't take a break today. That's his
lucky day. That was his lucky Can you imagine like knowing like imagine you're the jogger and you know that you took that loop every day, and then you hear this on the news like years later, wouldn't you just be like, oh my god, Wow, Yeah, I don't know how i'd feel about that. I don't know how that would make me feel at all.
It would make me feel so scared, but at the same time so grateful to be on the earth because literally, like I don't know where, you just decided not to go for a jog and that literally saved your life. When exercising helps you live longer. Wait, no, when not exercising helps you live longer. So see, we're just saving our lives by not exercising, you guys. Yeah, and you know what, smoke the extra cigarette.
You'll live an extra day for everyone. Jeffrey went home extremely unsatisfied because his fantasy he did not get to live it out, so he was like, dark, I hate my life right now. Around this time, Jeffrey's parents were fighting a lot despite being in counseling, and eventually they decided to divorce, and on July twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight, the divorce was finalized. Both Lionel and Joyce charged each other with extreme cruelty and gross negligent
of duty. So they both like accused one another and had their lawyers like file charges of was their abuse and now yes and no, So from like what I researched, and that Lionel had pushed Joyce several times, but Joyce had like tried to stab him with a knife at one point, and like she was completely and utterly mental unstable. And I think you just realized exactly
how unstable she is when I read this next bit. But she was completely and utterly, like mentally unstable, and she would fly off the handle at Linel for like very minor things, and like she'd fly off the handle so much so that then he would start yelling at her, which I know isn't good. But then at the same time his pushings were being his buttons were being pushed, and then he like and then I think at one point, she like at one like during one altercation, she like grabbed a knife to
try to stab him. Okay, that's a lot and if you as a child or witnessing any of this, obviously you can hear it at least, but you know, she's on twenty pills a day, and if okay, so say they were fucking her up or you know, she misses one and that sucks up the whole the whole system. Yeah, like, so she would fight with Linel a lot because he was working a lot, but he had to work a lot to pay all the bills because she couldn't work properly
because she was on twenty pills a day. So yeah, it's like a tough and so then he would fight with her because he'd be like, well, you're just a no good hey, yeah, she births your two children, don't say that. Stop it. Well, she may have birthed them, but Joyce was a awarded so soul custody of their both well at the time. So Jeffrey is now eighteen, but he's still in school. He hasn't graduated yet, so he's just gone. He's not long after turning eighteen.
So Joyce is awarded custody of the youngest son, David, along with alimony payments. Obviously, she's not awarded custody of Jeffrey because he is eighteen, so he's classed as an adult. However, he is still in school. He is you know, he's still a child realistically. Yeah, but he just in the eyes of the state is considered an adult. Jeffrey came home one evening after school, shortly after Joyce won the court battle for David.
She was living in the house, so Lionel had moved out and was living I think in a motel or something at the time, I'm not too sure, but he had moved out anyway, so she was in the home with the two kids while the court battle was like going on. So she won, and Jeffrey comes home to find that his mother is packing up the car and she is leaving with David to move to Wisconsin. Okay, and
she that's an interesting move. She told Jeffrey that she didn't want him right, that he was to stay in the house and her and David were to go, but like, she didn't want to bring him free house forever. So, as I said, Lionel had moved out of the family home during the divorce, so Jeffrey was abandoned. He probably should have just called Lionel and been like, hey, dad, like mom's gone, but he didn't.
He panicked and he was like, what the fuck my parents? Essentially both my parents have just left me, which, as much as he is a shitty person, a shitty, But like, how long did it take for Lionel to realize this? Because months? If your son is still in you mean you could have picked up the phone, daddio. So Lionel had found himself a new fiance at this point, so he's like, fuck my old life, Like who even is Jeffrey? Like who are you? Who are you? Even? My son? Who are you? Jeffrey was left
with no food, no money, and a broken fridge. Sorry but the broken fridge headed make get into this story. Oh, it's just like, you know, like he didn't even have anywhere to store food. Here's no food, here's no food. He didn't have any food. But if he did have any he most certainly wouldn't have had it for long. He graduated from high school with a zero point five GPA, which I am told is
extremely bad. Shortly after graduating, Jeffrey would commit his first murder. On June eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight, Jeffrey picked up a hitchhiker, Stephen Mark Hicks. Stephen was hitchhiking his way to a concert when Jeffrey pulled over. Jeffrey convinced Stephen to come over to his house before the concert to have some beers and smoke some weed and let's just be super cool, you guys. It is reported that they had consensual sex with one another, but this is
not proven. Okay, Steve even then wanted to leave for the concert. So basically Jeffrey was like, come to my house, let's have good drinks, let's have smoked some weed, and then I'm like, I'll totally drop you off at the concert later. Yeah, let's just pregame it it. Yeah, And so times moving on, and Steven's like, hey, like my concert is starting soon, so like I think I'll gotta go go head out. M Jeffrey was trying to convince Stephen to stay longer, but it
wasn't working. Like Stephen was like, I want to go. My concert start soon, Like you said you'd drop me, and now you're not dropping me, Like you got two wasted, I'm out of here. In a panic, Jeffrey hit Stephen over the head with a barbell twice. Jeffrey then choked Stephen with the barbell. Jeffrey then stripped Stephen of all of his clothes and Matt sturbated over him, No, how do you do all of that? But You're like, I was in just such a panic that I'm masturbated.
How do you Okay, So if you break this down, Stephen wanted to leave, Jeffrey's like, no, don't leave me, and decides to go pick up the heaviest fucking thing he can find in the house, a barbell. It's over the head with it, not once, but twice, yes, correct, then strangles him to death with it. Yes, how do you even think to do that in your head? And then just violates Stephen as he's dying or dead. And I'll say, is that Karmer does come for Jeffrey in the end? Okay? So but yeah, I don't
fully don't. We're gonna let you ponder over that while we take a quick at break and we're back. So the next day, Jeffrey dissected Stephen's body. He put them in bin bags. He then loaded up the car with the bags and decided that he was going to bring them to the local dump. By the time he is doing this, it is late at night, because it like literally took him the whole entire day to dissect Stephen's body. Jeffrey had been drinking while he was doing this, so by the time he
was leaving the house. He was actually quite drunk. On the way to the dump, Jeffrey got pulled over by police because the car was swerving onto the other side of the road. Jeffrey told police that he had been doing some yard work and that he was bringing the clippings to the dump. It's because they could see the bin bags and the back seat of the car and they're like, what you do in their palm? And he was like, oh, nothing, just I was doing some yardwork for my mom and dad.
I just they asked me to bring the clippings to the dump. The police could tell that he'd drink on them, so they told him to turn his car around and go home and bring the bring the clippings the next morning. Oh yeah, you're absolutely twisted fucking drunk. You're like eighteen, so you shouldn't even be having a drink anyway. But I guess it's the seventies, So like, who cares, Get back in your car, turn around
and endanger the lives of other drivers, Get your ass back home. Great a police work here, yep, we can't even I can't even give out to them over the bags. That's a different story because it's like, would you check it no police officers clippings exactly, you don't. You don't fucking expect that a drunk as body parts in the back of his car, but sending him home, like, could you not have put him in a cell
for the night to sober up? So Jeffrey got home and decided to smash Steven's bones into tiny pieces, even turning some of them to dust and scattering them around his back garden and the woods behind his back garden. At the home, no one suspected any sort of a crime had ever happened, and Stephen Hicks was reported missing by his family. They would have to wait thirteen
years to find out what happened to their son, God thirteen years. Several weeks later, Lionel decided to visit his children because he wanted to introduce them to his new fiance, Sherry. Why is Sherry always the name? And then this is when Lionel learned that Joyce had abandoned Jeffrey and took David to a new state. Because he probably wanted Sherry to meet David. Yeah, he was thinking about Joyce. He was bringing them, He was bringing Sherry
to meet David and Jeffrey. And then he got there and basically just spend Jeffrey living in a ship hole. And did he do anything to help him or was he just like he took all right, okay, I'm going home. No, he gathered, he got Jeffrey to gather his things and was like, okay, look, listen, you clearly can't stay here by yourself. Like house was in like ruins, recking round, Like he's an eighteen year old boy. Do you think that boy knew how to fucking clean a
dish? No, but he knew how to bleach bones what you know what I mean? Like he was probably wearing the same shirt for the last three months anyway, Oh so dirty Damer So Lionel and Sherry were like, come live with us, you know, like, come on off we go. Well, we'll fix it. So Jeffrey had graduated from high school with such a terrible GPO that he hadn't actually enrolled in any COLLEGESPO. Listener, I know the Easter Rising is always in our heads. The GPO. Just for
those who don't know, it's the General Post Office. Yeah, m a fun fact. It had bullet holes in it from the Easter Rising. That's all I know that they were like in there in the Easter Rising, some people were and then other people were shooting at I don't know what happened, Okay, I meant to say GPA. He graduated from high school with a terrible GPA, and he hadn't even enrolled in any colleges because, like he was, like, what's the point, They're not going to take me.
So Lionel decided to help Jeffrey, and he got him into Ohio State University to study business. Jeffrey was extremely unproductive here. He was drinking every day and he was early turning up to classes. Lionel had paid for Jeffrey's second term upfront in advance, but Jeffrey was actually doing so pearly that they asked him to leave the college during his first term, not even his first semester.
His first term was Lionel pisted, Yeah, yeah, he paid for the second semester upfront and Jeffrey didn't even make it through the first term. That's it. I'm sending you back to Nickey Mouse's clubhouse. You can't live here with me and Sherry anymore. Go back to your ship hole. He only completed three months of college, more than may I mean you imagine judge. I didn't even go I'll judge a lot because it's Jeffrey, Jeffrey Dammer.
Then, in January nineteen seventy nine, Lionel persisted that Jeffrey had to do something with his life, so he enrolled him into the army. Jeffrey went for basic training in Fort McClellan in Anniston, Alabama. He then went on to train as a medical specialist at Fort sam Houston in San Antonio, Texas. On July thirteenth, thirteenth, nineteen seventy nine, Jeffrey was deployed to West Germany, where he was the combat medic. In March nineteen eighty
one, Jeffrey was deemed unsuitable from military service and was honorably discharged. His alcoholism was so bad that it started to affect his work, and in twenty ten, a soldier claimed that he was stationed in Germany with Jeffrey, and he claimed that Jeffrey reported repeatedly raped him over a seventeen month period. The soldier did not report the crime at the time, but sadly, oh no sorry. The soldier did report the crime, but sadly no one took him
seriously. It is believed that he was not Jeffrey's only victim while stationed in Germany. What you're telling me they're covering up crimes in the military unheard of. I'm sure. My pearls, my pearls. So basically they just were like, oh, Keane, he is drinking all the time. He's supposed to be the combat medic and he's drunk all the time. So he's drunk all the time. And then on top of that, then you have several
people people reporting him for like sexually as halting him. So it's reported that what he would do is he would invite them into his like I don't know his tent, I don't know, I don't know what they were living in. He would basically invite them into his bedroom where he'd be like, I'll give you a pill to like help you, like you know, like give you the effects of weed or stuff like that, and they were like that sounds cool, and then he would drug them and then he would rape them
while they were like out of it. Oh, that's horrific. And I've only heard of this one guy coming forward, but I don't know, like there could be more that did come forward. There could be more that did report it. I don't know. Again, it's nineteen eighty one by the time he's discharged, so it's like a case of like, oh, but then they'll think I'm gay. Yeah. Jeffrey was given a plane ticket to anywhere in America and by the Army in order for him to get home from
Germany. Jeffrey panicked and didn't want to tell his father about being discharged, so he decided to go to Miami Beach, Florida. Oh, he just went for a little little holiday, a little vacation. He got a job at a sandwich shop and rented a room at a local motel. He spent most of his wages on drink and was quickly evicted from the motel. Jeffrey slept homeless on the beaches of Miami, drinking for a few weeks before deciding
to call his dad. He asked Lionel if he could come home to Ohio in September nineteen eighty one, So essentially he realized that Miami was not working out. He lost his job eventually at the sandwich shop, and then he had lost his room in the motel, so he was just like living rough on the beaches, like drinking every day, and then it was kind of like, should probably go home, Yeah, you should do that, and then she was like, Daddy, can I come home? Are you and
Sherry please? Jeffrey moved back in with Lionel and Sherry. Jeffrey was still drinking very heavily, and he was arrested for drunk and disorderly conduct. He was fined sixty dollars and a ten day suspended jail sentence. Lionel attempted to help Jeffrey get sober, but he was unsuccessful. Lionel ran out of patience with Jeffrey and decided it would be best if he went and he lived with
his grandmother in West Alice in Wisconsin. And I will say, to be fair to Lionel, he got him into college that didn't work out, so we got him to join the army because he was like, you have to do something. That didn't work out. Came home and he tried to help him get sober, and that wasn't working out, and so I think he
just was like, I don't know what to do anymore. So then he was like, maybe you should go stay with your grandmother because well she was living alone, so to have someone live with her would be super helpful, and then on top of that, then she would be able to try kind of keep him on the straight and narrow per se. Jeffrey loved his grandmother and she was probably the only family member that Jeffrey would actually show affection to.
To start off, everything was going really well with his grandmother. He was helping her with the chores, and he would attend church with her. However, Jeffrey was still drinking, and on August eighth, nineteen eighty two, Jeffrey was arrested for indecent exposure at a Wisconsin state fair. He exposed
himself to twenty He exposed himself to twenty five people, including children. I's gonna say as soon as you said at the state fair, like that's the kids m Jeffrey was convicted, did and charged a fifty dollars fine plus court costs, So I don't know how much he actually ended up the pain. How did he get less lesser fine for indecent exposure than he did for a drunken disorderly merca? Oh, you just flashed a bunch of kids, that's fine, but hey, you're acting a little bit crazy outside a bar.
How dare you. Jeffrey got a job at a blood plasma center, but he was fired after ten months there and it was reported, and I don't know how true this is, but it was reported that he was like stealing the blood. Oh it's okay, all right, I can count down there. According to the Netflix Evan Peters series, he was drinking it. But
I don't know how true that is, but he Yeah. In nineteen eighty five, Jeffrey got a job as a mixer at an ambrosia factory where he would work the night shift, so he basically was in charge of like a giant mixers ambrosia like creamed rice. Yeah, I thought that was irish. Oh creamed Okay, for the record, it's fucking disgusting. Well, they don't do just creamed rice. They do like puddings as well and stuff anything I have had no, Well, that's because Jeffrey Dahmer worked there in the
eighties. Tainted it forever. Jeffrey was arrested in Milwaukee for lude and las facious acts in September nineteen eighty six. Jeffrey had been caught masturbating in front of two twelve year old boys. Keep your fucking dick in your pants, and this stands for Jeffrey forever. Just keep your fucking dicking your pants and all of your problems will be like, at least halved Jeffrey. At least Jeffrey was going into a eunuch. Just cut it off, let's sort everything
out. Tell you. Jeffrey was going to get a one year sentence. However, he told the judge that he was just urinating and that he was unaware that anyone could see him. Yeah, don't don't You have to pump your penis to urinate, right, that's how you get the pout m must be. The judge decided to change the charges to disorderly conduct, and he
was sentenced to one year's probation. YEP. By late nineteen eighty five, Jeffrey began going out to gay bars and clubs and started going to local bathhouses, which are I had to research because I was like, what the fuck is that bath house? And it is basically like not even motels. It's basically just what looked like motels. You rent a room to have sex in and then you leave. But they're like for gay people mostly why are they
called bathhouses? So? Because I don't know, like doing the opposite of getting clean, you get nasty. Well, I get dirty. Yeah. Maybe that's why they were called bathhouses for the irony like a blowjob, because you don't blow, you suck. Yeah. Oh my god, I never thought of that, right. Jeffrey started to become more sexually active, and he would get frustrated at how much his sexual partners would like to move and talk during sex. Oh yeah, that's the worst. Don't you hate it
when they just move? Yeah, like when they're an active participant in sex. Oh terrible, terrible. You want me to have sex with you? No, thank you. I'd like you to resist a little. Yeah, if you could just like really pretend that you don't want me here right now. That just really helped me. He began to fantasize about them being incapacitated. Quote. I trained myself to view people as objects of pleasure instead of people. Okay. This was when Jeffrey started to drug his sexual partners and
then rape them. Jeffrey almost overdosed one of his partners and an ambulance had to be called, and after this, Jeffrey's membership was revoked and he was barred from all bathhouses if he was doing this already in the military like he's experienced. Jeffrey began using hotels and motels after this, And it was around this time Jeffrey had read in the paper about the death of a local eighteen
year old boy. Jeffrey thought about digging up the boy's body to take it home and to keep it, but according to Jeffrey, the ground was too hard and frozen, so he gave up and he went home. So did he actually go to the site, And apparently where does that end? So we're at a point now where he's already committed his first murder in the military,
has been using drugs so that he can sexually assault people. He has now come home, is living with his grandmother, has already been arrested multiple times and been in court multiple times, and now he's been banned from all of the bathhouses because he nearly killed somebody. Yeah, it is like, how does one do all this in so little years? On November twentieth, nineteen eighty seven, Jeffrey picked up twenty five year old Stephen to me at
a local bar. Jeffrey convinced Stephen to spend the night with him at the Ambassador Hotel because obviously he couldn't go back to a bathhouse. Jeffrey's plan was to drug and rape Stephen. However, the next morning, Jeffrey woke up to cut some bruises on his hands, and he found Stephen had been so badly beaten that his chest had been crushed in. That's horrific. Stephen had
been beaten beyond recognition and blood was coming from his mouth. Jeffrey claimed he never intended on killing Stephen and he had no memory of any of it. Why did they always say that? They always say I have no memory of at least one of their murders. And it's like, he literally confessed to have everything. So it's like, why are you saying you don't remember this one? Like do you actually not remember because you did confess to everything?
Or are you genuinely just having us on for a laugh because you just don't want to admit to this one? Yeah? Why this one? Because I feel like, no matter how drunk or how high you get, I feel like you're going to remember something like viciously beating some to death. Jeffrey thought maybe he had gotten blackout drunk and tried to take Steven's heart out from his chest, so Jeffrey was like. Jeffrey was like, I think I just got like so drunk and so out of it, and that in my out
of its state, I just must have wanted his heart. That's just still no excuse, though obously it's no excuse to kill anybody ever, but to be like, I'm black out, draw I can't remember what I did last night. No, it's not normal to want to take somebody's hurt from their
chest. No, it's not. And I have never in my twenty five years of life seeing somebody that has been black out drunk, like to the point where they genuinely might not remember the night, but actually still then be able to stand up and move and like make movements what's the word, like, I know what you mean, Like they purposeful movement. They would be very sloppy. He wouldn't be able to, in my opinion, do something as calculated exactly. Jeffrey then went and bought two large suitcases and to put
Stephen's body in. So he put Stephen's body in one and then he put any evidence off the crime in the other. He then got a taxi back to his grandmother's eyes. The taxi, the taxi man was helping. Jeffrey put his bags in the boot of the taxi and joked about how heavy the bags were, commenting, quote, you'd think there was a body in there.
God, can you imagine being that taxi driver. And again, like the jogger hearing the story years later, and maybe he doesn't even remember like doing or saying that, but and it's like so true because when it's like when you have like a heavy suitcase, it's like, yay, is what you gotten there? A dead body? Yeah? You know, it's the thing you say. Yeah. Jeffrey then hid Steven's body in the basement of
his grandmother's house for a few days. So from what I can gather, his grandmother's house had a basement, and in the basement there was like a seller Okay it was jef Ramsey says. Like the Ramsey says, they had like a wine cellar in there, kind of like the wine cellar in the basement, but like it wasn't used for wine. But that's where he stored the body, and he stored it there for a few days before severing the head and limbs from the torso. Jeffrey then took all of the bones from
the body and cut the body into small pieces. He then put all of the pieces into a bag and then put them out for trash collection. He's so brave in the sense that he doesn't he's so sure of himself that nobody's going to look in the bag. Jeffrey smashed all the bones, but he decided to keep Stephen's head. Jeffrey had Steven's head wrapped in a blanket for
two weeks. He then attempted to preserve it by boiling it in a bleach mixture in order to keep it for masturbation purposes, thankfully, and however, the bones became too brittle after being boiled and he had to just dispose of the skull with the rest of the bones. Stephen was reported missing by his family in December nineteen eighty seven, and Stephen is still considered a missing person
to this day because his body was never actually discovered. Jeffrey did admit to murdering Stephen, but like there was no evidence to ever prove that Jeffrey and Stephen ever even met up together, other than Jeffrey saying, yeah, know that I killed him. Yeah, And by the end, Jeffrey was chasing a lot of notoriety so you never know. Yeah, Stephen had given Jeffrey
a taste for murder. And it's strange because the first murder freaked him out and like scared him almost like he was kind of like, what the fuck did I just do? And how did I just do that? And what was wrong with me for doing that? And then it's like, all these
years later, he accidentally then kills Stephen to me. Well, like quote unquote accidentally kills Stephen to me, and it like instead of freaking him out, gave him a taste for it. Yeah, like the first time around, well, the first time around he had to have liked it to a
degree because he masturbated and he did. But then I think it was the aftermath then he was like, oh my god, like what the like, So with the first murder I heard, like I read and researched that he like originally was trying to hide that's Stephen's body under the house and then panic because then he was like, no, like what if an animal finds it and then drags it out? And how do I explain? And the smell and he like was freaking out and he was like, what's the best way
to get rid of this? And like was I can't believe I've done this, like oh my god, like holy shit. Like with the first murder, it was like the initial killing turned him on and then he freaked out. But then with this murder, he didn't have the like freak out as such. Yeah, and instead yeah, instead he was a case of like might like to do that again, and thus began his years long spray.
How would that even? I know where Jeffrey got it from, because he'd done it in his childhood to a degree, I know she's saying that together. Yeah, to be like, mm, I preserve animals this way, so I should like definitely try to preserve this human head so that I can use it for purposes. And I mean, we can all use our imagination as to what the hell he was going to do with that head. Leave, No, I don't want to use my imagination. It's a dark place.
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