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We are talking playoffs, folks.
And normally I think a lot of people would be excited about that heading into the postseason.
Guys.
I was in Washington for this one, and it was a very deflated, very quiet locker room.
Clarencehill and I were talking about it.
Dak just seems stunned after Haley, I know you talked to at least one player in the locker room.
What was sort of.
Their reasoning for the epic collapse not on just one phase, but all three phases of the game.
Yeah, I think they just went into this one kind of underestimating what that last game was going to look like. I think they really figured that their roster matched up better than Washington's roster, and at the end of the day, they were a little underprepared and as a result, they got smacked in the mouth really early and just never really found that rhythm. They never really found that bounce
back period. But what I will say is I remember being in the locker room after the Jacksonville game, and I mean that loss probably hurt them more than any one of the season. You know, I think the Packers was very similar, but the Jacksonville one just felt like they were in a funk for a while, whereas today I felt like they were a lot more fresh, They were a lot more open to speaking. I know, I spent a lot of time talking to Jaron Curse you did as well. He had a lot of spring in
his step, which is really important. I think he's become one of the big leaders on this team. So it was positive to know that they recognized that they didn't play their best ball. They identified why they hadn't played their best ball, and they're ready to put that in the past.
And they feel really confident.
I mean, jay Ron, even when I asked him, I said, where's your confidence level at after that game? And he goes, I'm thinking, I'm trying to think of a way that I can put this in the best way. I'm trying to think of the best number. But I can tell you it's.
Over one hundred percent. So I mean, at the.
Very least, they're feeling good.
They're in a much better spirit.
And again, as he pointed out, as we've pointed out, they haven't lost back to back games this season, so that gives me a little bit of confidence as well.
Yeah, Haley, he said we didn't have a lot of time for woe is me, and that's true, And he also said that this is sort of an opportunity for everyone to reset, and I think all of us kind of do that, right, even we just did a lot of that, a lot of us at the new year. It doesn't really mean much that it turned from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three, but sometimes you sort of need a mental reset to say today and moving forward is going to be different.
So let's hope that's what the Cowboys do.
But before we dive in, let's talk about the daunting task of overcoming and drawing a team like Tom Brady. That's why I thought trying to improve their seating was so important, because because I think it would have been better if they'd gone through the other bracket, right, because then you would have avoided going through Tom Brady. Tom Brady has seven to zero in his career against the Cowboys. We've talked a lot about that this week leading up to the game. Most wins without a loss by any
QB versus the Cowboys all time. Brady has never played the Cowboys in the postseason, but he's three to zero against Dak Prescott in his career. And this was another crazy little stat that we had earlier. Tom Brady since two thousand has eleven times more playoff appearances than the Cowboys.
He has more playoff He has.
As many playoff appearances thirty five as the Cowboys in their entire franchise history.
So this is a guy that knows what the postseason looks like, how to win in the postseason.
But you know we've been talking about this is a different Tom Brady this season. He's actually logging worst ever and a lot of statistical categories. I just still this is a guy I don't think you overestimate, underestimate. I think more importantly for the Cowboys, and I think they talked about this a little bit today, Mike McCarthy, this game is gonna come down to you. Less about trying to beat Tom Brady and more about not beating themselves.
Yeah every week, yea, yeah, yeah, And I feel like they beat themselves with the same mistakes. You have the mental focus, the pre snap penalties, of course I bring that up, right, but you also have just it seems like the miscues and the miscommunication is something I always go back to. But it shows when they're all confused and schematically, nobody knows what's going on. Guys are missing
their routes, nobody knows what they're doing. It's just so obvious when they are in their own heads and beating themselves. But yeah, I mean, this is a what's interesting is is I started to deep dive into Tom Brady because specifically throughout this season, because it's very easy to get caught up in the historic tom Brady. Like you said, though, Jane, this is the first time he's going into the post
season with a losing record in his career. So I got a little curious because all we keep hearing about is how this isn't the same Tom Brady. Well why is that? I started deep diving into all eighteen weeks of the season for the Bucks. The only trend I've noticed is this Bucks team will score in the second half of these games, so fourth quarter specific fourth quarter and the first time that they scored touchdown in the game in the second half. That was eight games, five
of which that they won. They scored the first touchdown in seven games this season against any opponent, one being against the Cowboys, but they scored first four times that they won.
So this is going to be a game of who can score first.
And specifically, I'm not talking about kickers, because their kicker, he has had a season, he has been put to work time and time again. But I'm saying, you have to score touchdowns in this game. You have to be active in the red zone. You have to make sure that if you're the Cowboys and you get that possession first or whenever you get your first drive, you are scoring that touchdown, because that is going to start to help you slay that Tom Brady dragon early on.
So you're saying ten to three and outs in a game is not with the Cowboys or Amy tom Brady.
Please, no, no, you you brought up the point about them. Well, I've really been looking, like to you, I've been looking at their offense and just how different it was. It is from even at the beginning of the year.
But really, when.
They can play at the Cowboys because they run, they could run the ball. Their offensive line, just like the Cowboys, has taken a lot of hits, and I know they possibly are going to be getting some guys back here soon, but it's really their inability to take to run the ball puts a lot of pressure on their offense to have to pass. So coming into this game, I really feel like that's that's what they're gonna intend to do. And even so, even what they're passing, they're gonna try
to do intermediate stuff. They're trying to get the ball out of his hand quickly because throwing down field is just not the most conducive because you don't want him getting lit up, so him don't like that.
So uh, that's that's.
Really what is different to me with this offense specifically now from the last time you played them, is that they ran the ball very easily for the most part, and you couldn't.
Sorry, I mean that sounded terrible, didn't it, Barnacles, Yeah, not like this is very dramatic.
Oh no, it was a bit to be dramatic, but no, you couldn't run the ball, well, you didn't run the ball because Ezekiel Elliot ran the ball fairly decently last night. I watched it last night and I was like, oh, and then it was just passing the ball, passing the ball, and then their linebackers told you they knew the plays that you could tell that all defense knew what was going on.
I talked about this on our show earlier.
To your point about the run game, they want to establish the run. They want to be a run first game, but they want to be able to run efficiently.
And when you start seeing them move away.
From the run game, it's because they're not being able to do it efficiently, and they're not being able to do it efficiently lately because of some of the offensive line shifts. And you know, sometimes we're watching the game, we're not really looking closely at chech, why things are collapse, why the pocket's collapsing, why the run game's not getting going, And as was it explained to me, not having Tyler Beyotdish there really is a problem because it's not just
Tyler Beyotdish. When you've got to pull Tyler Beyodish out of the game, you're putting Connor McGovern in a position that he doesn't play that much. Then you're moving Chase Peter's to a position that he's barely played the season, and then you're asking your rookie to kick out, you know, kick inside rather to left guard, while Peters goes to left tackle. And so three different guys that are typically not on that line. It's their fourth offensive line combination
this season. It creates a problem for communication. And then what they're noticing across the line is these last minute defensive line shifts. So they're showing you a look like, oh, I'm gonna rush through the B gap or the A gap, and then they're quickly changing it, and that offensive line in the runners can't adjust in time. And apparently that's been a problem a lot this season with some of
the injuries. But I was told Tampa is particularly good at doing a defensive line shift at the last second. And then the linebackers for Washington were running right at the run back the running backs. I was told, the problem when you're dealing with Tampa Bay is these guys are really physical.
They're really aggressive.
So if you are aggressive as a running back, you're gonna get beat on some swim they'll swim move on you.
And so that they're saying.
You know, the message to the running backs this week is be patient, have a good base underneath you, anchor make sure it's all about the fundamentals. And I think all of us kind of think it's kind of a throwaway when they talk about it, simplify, get back to
the fundamentals. But when they've lost games like the Packers game, we've talked about their response, remember it was after that we just got to get back to the fundamentals and then they laugh bad, right, yeah, And so it's a possibility to do it here because for the reasons we've talked about, Tom Brady is a bit of a boogeyman as it relates to the Cowboys, but he's also doing things he's never done before this season, things that have
been uncharacteristic of him. And we were even kicking around on media mash, this might be one of the worst teams that Tom Brady oh has fielded.
Oh yeah, and especially when you're talking in terms of the O line and the struggles they've faced this season, because what's interesting enough is this is going to be a game of.
O line against O line.
Really when you look at it specifically in that center position, because the Bucks are also struggling with their center and.
What does that lead back to?
That leads back to the miscommunication that you've seen even on the Cowboys the Balls, if you want to relate anything to that. Tyler Biaddish was great with the communication and that factor alone, taking that away that showed in the Washington game. But the Bucks are dealing with the same thing. I mean, Robert Hainsey also had an injury that uh, Todd Bowles is being very mischievous about, and that also brought up the question for Ryan Jensen, is
he coming back? There's been a lot of speculation. What's gonna happen with that? Can he come off of IR? He has to do by the end of the week. So you're either going to be facing Ryan Jensen, who is coming out of this IR situation being expected to take all of these snaps in a full workload, or you're gonna be facing a third string center for the Bucks,
which they don't really have other options. So to me, when I look at this whole game, it's going to come down to O line and O line specifically, which center can communicate.
More and health the offense as a whole.
All Right, well, let's go ahead and take our first break when we come back. We talked a little bit of some of the offensive line woes. Let's talk about some of the defensive challenges because in the last five games we are not seeing pressure upfront. And what you need to do with Tom Brady is make sure that he's feeling pressure in the pocket.
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All right, guys, well we were sort of giving nobody wants to hear excuses.
Right.
There's plenty of teams that are in the postseason that have had to overcome a number of injuries to their starters and certain players, and they've done so admirably. The Cowboys have had a number of injuries this season, specifically to key starting positions, and look at them. They're still twelve and five heading into the playoffs to face Tom
Brady and hopefully survive in advance. But as much as we talked about the offensive line and some of their struggles defensively, we've seen a lot of rotating on the defensive line, particularly the interior defensive lineman. And as has explained to me, I said, why aren't we seeing more pressure on the quarterback lately? And I was told they're not cohesively rushing as a unit. And some of that
is because of some of this interior line changes. Some of that is on the one hand, you're finding out who you've got and what they've got before you get into the playoffs. Okay, so dan Quinn's doing a little bit of a sample size there right. The other issue is you've had injuries, right, But as I was described to me, is when you've got these two interior defensive linemen pushing the unit and you're not rushing as a unit cohesively. You should be getting three to five steps.
That's what these guys should be doing. And what you're doing is you are collapsing the pocket around the quarterback, getting pressure to them instead of giving them time. And so that's why in recent weeks we've seen Josh Dobbs and Sam Howe looks so good. Is they got a
lot of time back there in the pocket. In the last five games, the Cowboys are giving up ten more points a game, and I think they they're averaging two point eight less sacks, and so I think that when you've got a guy like Tom Brady, this is the week you need the pass rush to step up. This is a guy who is going to hurt you with his arm, and so I just thought that that was really really interesting. We talked about the fact that Jonathan Hankins is going to come back. That's going to be huge.
I think specifically when you consider you've got Leonard Fournette, who Leonard Fournette has not had a huge season.
But when he's had moments, he's had moments had taken advantage correct.
And I think it's also key that you're getting Layton vandresh back right and so they have been missing key pieces. And we'll get in the cornerback position to hear in a little bit. But when we're just talking about that sort of front seven, that's been one of the areas of concern. I used to know, you look at a lot of the tape, what are you seeing when you look at that defensive front and some of the struggles that they've had in recent weeks.
Now you mentioned it, you hit on the head. We talked about it earlier this week. With the rotations sometimes you have with Dank trying to figure out what he has and what he doesn't have. He's been playing guys, some of the gentlemen you see playing DT. Some of them are better pass rushing, some of them are better you know, actually too gapping or whatever. And you so when he's doing these mixes and stuff, you have some guys doing things that they're not accustomed to doing or
doing well. So with the injuries, you have to have guys fill in also too. You have to think about the amount of reps that guys are getting that they typically maybe wouldn't have beginning before. So I'm looking at obviously with them getting healthier, them having more flexibility there. But Mike McCarthy mentioned just how important Layton vander Rush is to this defense and he said something that totally I totally forgot about is that he is the green dot.
And when he put in that put that in perspective for me.
I thought about the fact he was like Malie Cooker and Jay Ron cursive had to, you know, take the green dot and when you look at even what's going on with the secondary, the idea of Layton being able to come in and man the front seven and the secondary being able to just be quarterbacked kind of as a unit again and not having a word those guys having to worry about what's going down in the box.
I feel like that could also you know, you know, I guess pivot the conversation from how the defense is going to be defending the run and.
Stuff, because it's tricky when you've got guys in the secondary that are having to come up front, set your defense and then run.
Eric Weddle used to do it a lot for the Ravens.
I remember talking to him about that they don't have a lot of guys doing that for a reason, and jay Ron Curst did a great job of it. But I think Mike McCarthy talked about, you know, Layton van Rush had a great season. I remember when they were sort of playing with Jaylen Smith wearing the green dot and then they would send it back to Layton Vandrush. But Layton does seem to have a really good handle on this group. I think jay Ron Curst did a
great job. But I think it allows the flexibility. Because I was asking Mike McCarthy, I wasn't looking at it from that viewpoint. I was thinking it was just freeing up Micah Parsons to be able to have a little bit more freedom and flexibility to play him on the ball or off the ball. I didn't even think about how it allows some flexibility and you know, allowing guys like Jay Ron Curse and Malie Cooker focus on their assignment as versus getting the guys set yep.
Absolutely, and just even with Malik just having you know, obviously with the cornerback two stuff, I know, just him being able to help out there and not have to worry about helping out in the box. But also to the cornerbacks, these young quarterbacks, to Ron bland nishearn Wright, those guys coming up and tackling and run support, I think is going to continue to help you. Especially with
Hankins coming back and that size being there. It's going to allow your linebackers to be free and your DB's to be free and really try to contain these edges, which is what they got to do in this game because Leonard tore them up last time.
Yep.
Yeah, I think it'll be nice just to get that sense of normalcy back. I think that's really what's been missing over the last five weeks. You mentioned the offensive line being in four different combinations so far this season. I think that speaks to the defensive side of the ball as well. You've had to make a lot of adjustments. And I've said this for weeks now, you never know what you have until it's gone.
Yep. And now how much do you appreciate some of these guys.
Leyton Vandrest highly be honish like these any.
Around yeah, tern still yeah, yeah.
I think just from a mental standpoint with these players, I think you know the schematics, the details of.
It, they've had it.
It's just been difficult because they've been moving around, jumping from place to place, trying to adjust or maintain if you will. So I think not only do you get your leader back in Layton Vanderesh, but you just get that sense of normalcy, that comfortability back, and then you can kind of get you know, the question of well this is this defense still elite? Now you kind of see when it was elite, why it was, and now
you get that back and you get an opportunity. I think you mix in the motivation factor of last year's playoff that they talk about but not so much talk about. You know, you get the motivation of starting the season with the Bucks and now they get to start the playoffs with the Bucks. I think there's just a lot of factors that go in that help from a confidence standpoint as well.
Oh yeah, and that confidence is going to be more than important because you were just talking about Adisha. I'm giggling as I'm reading my notes because I swear sometimes we have the same exact things. Leonard Fournette Week one against the Cowboys, that was his best game, his only one hundred yard rushing game of the season. And you know, it's interesting when you see kind of how this Cowboys defense has to operate. They just have to go back
to the basics. And you just said that, Jaden sounds easy, right, But you have to collapse that pocket, get in Tom Brady's face because you've seen time and time again when he has that pressure on him, that's when he is, you know, kind of on Tom.
Brady like that.
You get very frustrated.
You've seen it more this season than I think you've ever seen in his career, and that's what people need to play on. That's what the Cowboys need to play on, is get him frustrated.
And get in his face early.
And what I really like to credit de Marcus Lawrence for is he puts his hands up and bats the ball down, and putting your hand in his face is going to be so important because the more you can do to mentally distract him and physically get in there, that is your key to starting early.
Score.
First, get in Tom Brady's face and again, yes, rush the edges, but also you have to collapse the pocket at all points.
And you got a key in on that center position.
You have to key in on that because right now, either way, yeah, I mean, I'm not saying Ryan Jensen's not.
A great player. He is.
I will absolutely give him that credit. But when he's coming off fresh and we've seen how Mike McCarthy handles a ramp but phase, there's a reason for that because expecting a player to come in and play all of these snaps all at once, you're not going to see the same player that you saw pre injury. So again, play on the weaknesses and the defense that d line
needs to do their job. Get in the trenches, be physical, be quick because Tom Brady is going to try to expose that cornerback to situation very quickly.
That's where I was going with this. I feel for dan Quinn because I feel like he's throwing. There was a I had to laugh. It was a meme on the internet and it was a brick wall and it was just throwing you know what at the wall to see if anything would stick.
And that's what's felt like the cornerback position.
I mean, so many people trash Anthony Brown, and so many people trashed Jordan Lewis. I got to put my hand up. There were times that I was critical of their play. I think what was key is they were so good about the eye discipline. Right, we've talked about in a couple of weeks. I think that's still what some of these young guys are struggling with. I caught up with in Sean Wright. He says he feels like
he's playing better, and he is. But I think the addition of Xavier Roads, which I got to get right. I keep saying Xavier Woods, who was here in twenty seven days. Yeah, but Xavier Roads, you know, Jerry Jones alluded to it. I want to fight through the fan that we were going to see more of him. He got sort of acclimated over the weekend. They didn't have
a real practice today, so they'll see more tomorrow. But you, as Sean said, not just similar from seeing t Y Hilton in the wide receiver's room and Jason Peters on the offensive line, Anthony Barr, you know with even some of the linebackers.
Having a guy like Xavier Woods.
You remember it was like all roads closed when he played for the Vikings. He just talked about his handle of the defense, his ability to talk to them.
I think it helps, and I think that's It's a young team, and I.
Think that's that's been great for them because I've covered teams where it was one of the oldest locker rooms in the league. But I think in some rooms they've been missing sort of that veteran presence, and so I love that they've been able to get some of these guys off the street to come in and help fortify that area. So I think you're going to see Xavier Woods play a lot, especially because he's got postseason experience.
JK told me today that he was teammates with Rhodes up in Minnesota, and I said, what do you know about him?
Like, how good is he going to do?
Because we saw trayvon Mullins audition and maybe we need to look at some other auditions. And that's my favorite thing about jay Ron is like I can call to him keep it straight. He's in keep it straight with me. And I said, you know, obviously like he's new, he's still learning, but like, how do you feel about him coming in? He said, that's my boy, Like I have no doubt that he's going to come in and make an immediate impact. And so again it just goes back
to that confidence standpoint that you have. I think when you have a young team, it's tricky because this is the first time that a lot of these guys are doing these things. You know, this will be the first time some of these young guys have played in the postseason. This is the first time that they played, really played against a Tom Brady, against a Bucks team that's been successful in the playoffs since twenty twenty when Tom Brady
joined the team. And so you may not see, you know, all of the snaps go to rhads in this game, but you at least can feel confident knowing that you're getting a guy in here who's been there before who can come in and provide some relief when Nashan Wright maybe is it has missed or or kind of like we talked about yesterday, there's that confidence level of you know, like if he's not gonna settle in correctly or whatever
it is. Now you have Exavier roads a guy that not only the coaching staff feels comfortable about, but the guys on the field also feel good having him come into.
And what I like about having that veteran presence is the ability to diagnose things quickly, because I think that's been a very big issue for the defense as a whole, and that showed when Layton was gone specifically with that
safety position who that was rough. But I think having Exavier helps diagnose things quicker and again gives those younger guys like Nashon Wright the ability to work with somebody who can help them accelerate that skill set a little bit more too, because that's so important as being able to read things quickly and diagnose it and act on it, and you know, not take that side step puts you off for one second, and then the play's gone, so I think that'll help a lot too.
Well, we're going to take our second and final break here, but we come back. Ladies, I want to ask you this what concerns you more? As we start talking about the coaching carousel? You know, it was obviously black Monday and a lot of positions to fill this offseason in the NFL, both dan Quinn Kellen Moore getting opportunities to go interview for head coaching jobs. Who concerned you more
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All right ahead of the break, I pose the question to you, ladies, what concerns you more as we start talking about coaches getting opportunities to go and interview for head coaching positions, which I believe is January.
When is it right after the playoffs? Is when they can start having these conversations.
So when you look at Dan Quinn, Kellen Moore, dan Quinn, obviously we're to have interest. I think what once again with the Broncos. I think maybe they should have probably hired him last time instead of Nathaniel Hackett, although I think a lot of people thought maybe Hackett could get Rogers there. You've also got Kellen Moore, that's it's been asked to go talk in Carolina? Who concerned you the
most next season. This is just a hypothetical. What concerns you the most the loss of Dan Quinn or the loss of Kellen Moore?
Who wants to go first?
I think Dan, and I think Dan not just from what he does on the field when it comes to I mean we joked about it earlier with like just throwing everything including the kitchen seek to get the job done. But when you think about how coaches can impact players, I think if you were to go into that locker room and you were to pull the defense and you were to ask them that question, they would tell you
how much Dan means to them. I've been talking about JK all day because I spent a good chunk of my time talking to him, But.
That's one of the many players available by Yeah, that's one thing that he said today.
They you know, he was asked that like if you if Dan were to leave, what would that mean to you? And he literally said, when I'm done playing, when this is all said and done, dan Quinn is going to be a guy who I remember, who I can attest my career too. And to me, that speaks louder than anything Dan has done on the field, because you know, and they say it all the time, like coaches don't do this for the money. They don't do this for you know, the impact on the field.
It's building leaders off the field.
I think that's one of the Cowboys six that Mike McCarthy always talks about. And I just think that the reason why this defense has been so successful, why it's been so resilient this year, is because of the impact and the leadership that he provides. Not to say that Kellen doesn't provide that same leadership, but unfortunately, I think Kellen has a tendency to be very coaches speak very to the point, very just this guy don't know how well he is connecting with his players in the way
that Dan Quinn connects with his players. And I think that's why people are so interested in him being a head coach, because he can provide. Even when he was with the Falcons, he was providing that as well.
That's a good point.
Yeah, I think when people think of Kellen Moore, for instance, a Carolina team, I think they're hoping they can find a Kevin O'Connell or a.
Sean McVay or one of those guys.
But I'm with you when I when I listened to the guys talk about Kellen Moore. It's with a lot of respect, there's a lot of love for him, and but that love stems from him being a guy that was in the room with them, right, Like, don't forget that Dak's first year, these two were in the quarterbacks room together and so and so.
Zeke speaks of him highly in that way too.
But what stood out to me was last year in OTAs, right when dan Quinn had gotten here, unprompted, the way these players would talk about dan Quinn. And obviously it was like night and day from Mike Nolan to d Q. But even today I caught up with to your point, Stephan Diggs, Stephan Diggs, Trayvon Diggs man, I'm having a day Trayvon Diggs and jay Ron Curse And what jay Ron Kurse said, piggybacking off what you said, he said he's brought a brotherhood to this locker room.
And I said, is he a hugger? Is he a text or? He said he's both.
And so that's the sort of stuff I think that really resonates with a lot of guys. But more importantly, as says, the way he believes in me. People can say they believe in you, but he goes but then he shows that to me, And I think that's huge, right because when I think of and I'll talk to both of you ladies, I didn't play sports in high school.
I mean I played on the B team in golf. But I don't know.
If my Peter Litt teacher qualifies as a motivating coach. But when you look at your coaches over the years, Haley, what was the coach that stood out to you and why?
I think the coach that stood out to me most.
Let me think I.
Would probably have to say one of my assistant coaches at North Texas, Daniel Dobson, only because I was a grad transfer there. I feel like when you're a grad transfer, it's different because you're so much older and you know, you're just kind of there because you have eligibility left, usually.
Especially in a sport like soccer.
But Daniel really made me feel like a part of the team, like instantly, you know what I mean. I think he believed in me because You and T for those of you who don't know, like the soccer program at You and T is the best program at the school, and that's not even me saying that because I played on it. John Headlin has been there for thirty years and has yet to have a losing season. I think he's up to like nineteen or twenty conference championships in three different conferences.
So it's a combetive program.
And you know, like you don't just get playing time just because you're older. So from the very beginning, like he was very adamant about, you know, letting me know, like keep working like you're new, like just keep getting your minutes and then eventually work my way into the lineup. And even still he was very helpful in that regard. But I think that's why I have that attachment to dan Quinn in that relationship, because it does make a difference.
You know, it does matter because you know, you're sure you're coaching football players, but they're people too, And we always say that on this like people and when you can tap into that people mentality, it makes such a difference.
And that's the way you latch on because now you know, if I have a relationship with you, now I have an interest in you helping me because I can understand that you care about what I want to do and how I want to grow and what I want to be, and I can recognize that you want to help me get there.
Yeah, I think when I look in that aspect too, I had a high school dance coach, Nate Nicole Gomez, and interestingly enough, her husband is a He works for the RAMS and in some way he's one of the RAMS coaches. But you know, talking about the people aspect of it, it's also it has nothing to do with the sport at some point, it's there are the times I remember with Nicole or times I was crying and having a bad day and.
She knew without even me having to say a word.
It was you know me on that level because you care to know me on that level, and that pushed me on days I didn't want to be a practice or days I didn't want to go and push myself to the fullest, to be like, Okay, well I have to do it for Nicole at least if there was nothing else to fall back on, it was I need
to do it for that person. And so I think when you look at the relationship that dan Quinn has compared to Kellen Moore, with these guys, it's more of a family aspect and instead of the the you're my friend kind of situation. It's more of a I see dan Quinn as an uncle more than you know Kellen Moore's who's like a brother, which is is a weird comparison.
Not about analogy, but it's it's.
You have a different respect in that matter. So when I think of, you know, my uncle, I'll talk to him very differently than I talked to my brother. And it's I feel like that is kind of the comparison you have with them. And I think for dan Quinn, not only you know last year you saw the success he had with the defense and at the end of the season it was, oh, can he mirror that?
Can he can he do that again?
Yeah?
And he did even better this season.
There was better numbers than there was you know, his his first year. And I think something too that's very imperative to remember as far as the defense is, they're very young. This is a young defense that's very impressionable. So having dan Quinn here for the long haul and you know, moving forward is you get that dan Quinn stay mp on it. Kellen Moore's offense and the offense right now it's an older offense. You don't you have
a couple of young guys. But for the most part, those guys are set and what they're set, and they're gonna play like they play already. That defense is very multiple and very shiftable right now. So that's what kind of worries me about losing dan Quinn.
That's a good point.
Another thing about dan Quinn, I remember when they first hired him, I was on it. I was immediately like yes, because I understood like what he when he when he got hired, what he.
Was capable of.
But I also noticed that there's connection through these locker rooms, Like through the locker room, like George Edwards he brought in I'm sure he had a part in bringing in j Ron Curse and even some of the guys that were drafted here, there's ties.
To all the Viking guys. Think about it, Anthony bar and Savior Roads.
Yeah. But even like even with some of the conversations with the draft, there's some guys that were like, yeah, I met him in high school, like on this roster right now, that knew him even before this time here. So when guys either and you're come play for you and really are like I want to come play in
that program. We also too, we've seen him kind of in some ways revamp some guy's careers, you know, like said, we ragged on Anthony Brown all that time, but I mean I felt like his play improved just because of the level of coaching and the staff that they brought in, you know, behind him. But in regard to the question, I had a droll sergeant, my first drill sergeant.
Her name was Droll sarn poland she's from Miami.
She was no joke. And one thing that I see in dan Quinn that I saw in her was that she was not afraid to get out there and do it with you, and sometimes she would do it better than you. And I was a really big into pet physically fit and stuff.
But she was fit.
She was a purple heart, and she would outrun us. She would outdo everything with us. And when I would see her doing that, I wanted to compete. I wanted to compete. And that's something that this locker room is thrived off of.
Bull in the ring and his Nie.
Putting on helmet just to show people, show the players how you're going to be getting chipped. Those are the when you're superior or whoever is okay. With getting dirty with you and getting out there and showing you how it was done, you automatically gain a different respect for them. And that's something she did with me, and it made me, I felt, I know, it made me a better soldier because I wanted to be better than even what she was, and she expected that.
He tried to make Mike McCarthy better in the off season, right, Like, yeah, he said he had put on some weight because of the stress that comes to the job.
He had him in the boxing, you know, boxing and the off season. I'm with you, ladies, and where I find myself.
And this is not to discredit what Kellen Moore has done here as an OC, because I mean, one of the top scoring offenses in the league the last few years, right, But I find myself wondering when I look at Dan Quinn and again no disrespect to Georgia Edwards or Joe Witt, who could be guys. I don't see them going outside, But I do wonder if Dan would take any of his guys with him going somewhere else. But if if George was here or if it was Joe Witt, and I would submit. I don't know Joe as well as
I know the reputation of George Edwards. It was Harrison Smith who when I asked him at Pro Bowl a couple of years ago when dan Quinn George Edwards was coming here, he was like, oh my gosh, they're getting a great like. The adoration for George Edwards was off the chart. And even when Mike Nolan was struggling with that locker room Mike McCarthy's first year, it was rumored that George was going to get promoted because the guys
really sort of looked to him. But I find myself wondering if these guys are going to be as motivated with a George Edwards or a Joe as we've.
Seen with the dan Quinn.
And so when I start looking at that, and then I think to myself, Okay, well who would they bring in for OC. I mean, there's guys that you can bring in from OC. And by the way, Mike McCarthy can also call place. I mean he didn't Green Bay. He said he didn't do it here because he found that it was better over the years to delegate, right. So I don't know what that dynamic would look like, but I do know that Jerry at least is worried
enough about it that we all know. While that no one got a hold of the contract, there was something done for dan Quinn to make him stay here in Dallas so that he wouldn't go to the Broncos last season.
Yeah, he has a I mean you saw his input on the draft. You saw like what he's what he's capable. I feel like these last couple of drafts especially have been you know, successful, and he.
Just has a plan like that.
That that was what was really dope about him too, is like when he first got hired.
I remember him coming in.
I could be mistaken, but Ota rookie Minicamp one hundred attendants. If I'm not mistaken, it was you could see just that we.
Typically see that's track around here in Dallas.
But I think more importantly it's the guys he's gotten off the street to come and play for Dallas. I mean, think how important guys like Malie Hooker, Jay Ron Curse have been. I mean even Tac McKinley. A lot of these guys came here because of dan Quinn.
Yeah.
Yeah, and also, I mean you have to have a certain presence to you, and there's just some people in this world that they walk in a room and they have a presence and you feel it and you can see it. Dan Quinn doesn't demand presence. He's not the kind of guy that's look at me, do what I say. He walks in and hey, guys, how are you doing? Before any press conference, that's the first thing he asks, even just reporters, how are you doing?
How are you feeling?
And it's just this automatic respect you get from even talking to him one time. I mean, I always go back to this late in Vandresh interview that I saw during training camp where he was talking about somebody asked him, you know, how did you know Dan was the guy?
He said, I talked to him for fifteen minutes and I knew.
And sometimes people just have that presence to them, and dan Quinn is one of those guys that just has that factor.
All right, So final question, and we've got three minutes to cover this, where we wrap this one up when we look at this game ahead on Monday, what area is most concerning to you.
When it comes to beating Tampa and advancing?
Why did you look it?
I don't know, it just it stressed me out a little bit.
Yeah, we talked a little bit about this yesterday. I don't know if it's so much of a concer for me, it's a question mark. I asked Mike McCarthy this today where Michael Gallup has been and so I'm very interested to see just how the wide receiver room kind of figures itself out a little bit. I mean, I think CD we've talked about how he's been finding his groove.
I think that's great.
I think t Y Hilton coming in has been beneficial. But Michael Gallup's targets over the week, in relation to his receptions and what he's been able to accomplish on the field, has just been like pis poor to be blank, And so I'm interested to see, you know, how they work him in. Mike told us today, Yeah, he's a super important part of our lineup. He's a super important part of our offense, and so I'm curious to see how they address that and if it really is important.
I was saying this on media Mash.
If you don't follow Brian Baldinger who works at my network, Baldy's breakdowns, he did.
We've been talking about.
Dax's interceptions this season, right and you know, chemistry with his receivers. But there was some concerning stuff on tape against Washington. Now they've got a really dynamic front seven, great defense. We talked about that heading into the game, but Michael Gallop's ability to get open was concerning at times. And also Dak seeing guys that are open and moving away from them and either taking a sack or throwing the ball away was concerning. So that's interesting. I'm still
for me, it's the cornerback position. Yeah, I just I think Tom Brady is going to exploit that all day long, and so I think that's an area that I think is very, very concerning.
And if I.
Might add, special teams, you don't want to start the game off with one of those muff punts like you did, because what I felt like was the Cowboys it's sort of you you knock them in the mouth early. They were struggling to get past some of the adversity of that on the road. At least we've seen them come back from it at home, but on the road on grass, that's gonna be tough.
It was also twice in a row.
Yeah, yeah, it was also coming like there's there's coming back from stuff, and then it's like, come on, you know, like that's that's something different. But I guess Mike's I'm not even to say concern to stress me out.
What I'm looking.
For in this game is the offensive line play just because it's just it's just pivotal to what you do. Is you want to be able to run the ball well, and I think that's just gonna make the difference in this game, as it does all the time when your quarterback is forced to pass the ball a whole bunch because you can't do anything on first and second down.
Yeah, for me, it's it's I think, yeah, again, not the most concerning, but something I want to see be more productive during this game is a better way to put it, is what they do on first and second down, and you you segue that's so good for me. I swear we talk way too much outside of this that's we're on the same length, but first and second down plays, I don't want to see any more short runs by Zeke.
I'm just it's.
The predictability factor. I need the play calling for this game to be less predictable and go back to what works, because again, first down those yeah, for a second, and you know, that's what happens every single time.
And I talk I have talked to people about that.
You know, they in order for the running backs to have an efficient game, you want to get them going early. So that's why you sort of feed them early and get them into a rhythm. The problem is when that offensive line start creating some of those holes for you and you're sort of running up against a wall, that's when they move away from it. And then that's where you're also getting Dack into some trouble where he's.
Throwing some of those picks.
So everything is it's like the hip bones connected to the neebo and all of those things.
So I mean, you're not wrong on that.
It's gonna be I'll be interested to see the game that Kellen calls, and I'm going to be really interested to see how Dan calls the defensive side of the ball against Tom Brady. I will be headed to Tampa on Saturday for a four day run. Very disappointed that the weather is ridiculous. Iguanas are going to be falling from the trees this weekend.
Careful wait what Saturday?
Saturday a high of fifty four a low of thirty six game time is gonna it's gonna be great football weather on Monday seventy three of a high, low of fifty but on Sunday game day morning high of sixty three, low forty three.
If you see me wearing a winter jacket and down a brown brown that see me.
Wearing a puffer jacket on Sunday, mind your business as it is cold in Tampa. Let's hope that this is a cold game for Dak Prescott, that he shuts down the Tampa Bay Bucks. So I guess what I want to say there is it's a hot game for him, But yes, but a cold, cold win for him. Hopefully we're talking about that on Monday. But you guys still have another show tomorrow. Looking forward to tuning into that one.
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