Erika Lust

Welcome to Girls on Porn. I'm Rachel. I'm Laura. And we love porn. This is our porn review podcast. We talk about what we love and we roast what we hate. Thank you. Helping you find hot, ethical, just plain better porn for your Spank Bank. So today's kind of a cool episode because A, we're together in the same room, and B we're in Barcelona and C we have Erica Lust with us.

Which is so crazy and feels like such a dream come true. Um, we've been talking about you for years on the show. Um, for those of you who don't know, uh Erica Lost is a feminist pornographic film director, screenwriter, and producer.

Since the debut of her first indie erotic film, The Good Girl, in two thousand four, Lust has been cited as one of the current leading participants of the feminist pornographic movement, using an ethical production process which sets her company apart from mainstream porn. She founded Erica Lust Films in 2005, Lust Cinema in 2010, X Confessions in 2014, and has won numerous Arhodes for her awards for her films. Erica has also written seven books.

Uh she is one of our personal heroes and inspirations for starting the podcast. In fact, we have reviewed over 30 of your films. Oh my gosh, I know. 30. 30. Yeah. So welcome to the show. Thank you. Suffice it to say we are thrilled. And welcome to last. Thank you. Thank you, it's wonderful to be here. Beautiful offices. Just to make you even more uncomfortable and talk about the significance of this moment.

So Before Rachel and I even started the podcast, we were friends and we bonded through our shared sexual positivity. And we found like, oh, you're horny, I'm horny, like let's talk about it. We talked about the ethics of porn, like to kind of give an impression of what our friendship looked like during that era. Yeah. I walked into a party with mutual friends before anything else happened. Rachel ran across the room and screamed, I pegged in my face because she was so excited. That's for all.

That's the kind of friendship we formed. Yeah. And in that time we started to kind of look for better porn together. Like, oh what are you watching? Where are you finding it? Like what's out there that has good production values and feels like it's for Women and we're not worried about the performers and the story is working for you. And she actually introduced me to X Confessions and she introduced you me to your work.

So your work was part of the inception of the podcast because we were starting to review porn together and I said, what if that was a podcast? So this feels like a really important full circle moment for us. Amazing. Thank you so much for sharing. We're we're big fans. We can't um you know. Yeah. Um what were some of your first encounters and experiences with porn growing up? Well so I went to the classical pyjama parties where I was presented with uh back then.

ビデオカフェット Oh, that's how I'll lie out. Yes, yes, yes. Uh one of my friends had found this uh video cassette in her father's secret drawers and she wanted to show this to our little group of friends. And I think I might have been around twelve, maybe thirteen at that time. And To me at that point did that porn looked like something that I didn't feel that inspired. Bye.

But yeah, but again, I was very young. Sure. Uh later in life uh I had other very classical experience with porn, typical boyfriend. Sure. And now it was a DVD. Time had advanced. And uh he obviously wanted to uh To to uh watch something inspiring with me and see a little bit if we could. Yeah. You know. Mm-hmm. We could do the same. What's out there? And and back then I had already, you know, encountered feminism and was a little bit more aware of gender differences and um I felt that I

uh that I was uh intrigued and I wanted to watch it. Obviously it was not at all something that I didn't want to watch. Yeah. But when I did it it felt pretty clear to me that My body reacted one way. My body got turned on because we are watching explicit sexual images. Yeah. But at the same time, I didn't really like it. I didn't really feel that. I I that that I was connected to it, that it felt plastic, it felt fake, it felt very much centered around masculine pleasure and uh.

uh male kind of storytelling and women you know used as some kind of tools to male pleasure but it wasn't really our stories. Is also something like a a good reason like why we started the podcast because we it's funny that you mentioned one of your first experiences was watching porn at a sleepover because.

I felt like we connected because we were always like the horny girl at the sleepwalker being like, let's put on like HBO real sex, you know, like let's go to like Skinemax and watch something.

And you do sort of feel like you're like the town's person that's like, you know, spreading the the truth about it and being like, no, no, no, like it isn't all just like sex trafficking. Like you can actually enjoy it as a performer. Like you can have control of your body and like want to do this. You know, it's still something that I'm like standing up and arguing to this day as a thirty six year old woman. But I

Everything has kind of clashed together a lot and this porn panic that we are living because it's something that comes and goes and it comes in waves and and at this moment it's definitely here again. And there's a lot of Of of panic and morality and ideas floating around about pornography. And many of these ideas are spread by people who know very little about porn, who are not even interested.

interested in it, who have all these prejudices and all these ideas but they've never been on a porn set, they've never talked to a porn star. They have watched very few movies in general. But I want to. No, no, because because maybe that's not the kind of sexuality that they even have. They they they they might be happy in their life. So good for them, but they don't have to spread So many false ideas about porn and Yeah. So loudly.

Yeah. Without having this scrutinizing kind of idea that we normally have about other subjects. Yeah, we view porn as a monolith, as like one entity as opposed to looking at different production houses, different consent practices. I think for a lot of these folks the idea of consent practices is foreign to them.

So that varying from studio to studio or from the difference between performers independently making content versus working with different directors. None of that occurs to them because all porn is evil, so there's absolutely no nuance. No porn. Culture in general and especially amongst women, because somehow

Men are enjoying it, many without thinking that much about it, but also there has been a shift. I see so many men today who are thinking about this, who are interested in it and who want to do good and who realize What they are watching, and they they check the companies and they see what is going on, etc. Yeah. Um But in our society we have very little porn literacy, very little understanding for what porn is, that is a fictional yarner. Yes. Yeah. It's fantasy.

etc. People clash that together with what is amateur. They don't really understand the difference of a performance and what is real sex. What is amateur sex? What what is all these fan sites? Right. It's a spectrum. It's it's a spectrum but also this huge problem of calling things porn that it's not And porn. I see that happening a lot with with what people call revenge porn. Oh. It's not Can we? Can we? Can we separate?

This because this I saw now just the other day. Uh Paris Hilton was out talking about Revenge Porn, and obviously she has had horrible stories with sexual imagery spread. Right. Uh But it's not porn. That's about it. It's a button. What made you decide to start making adult content? Oh, it's a long story of uh obviously, but but but but there are a few kind of key ingredients. Uh I got my hands on this.

wonderful book called hardcore by Linda Williams film professor at Berkeley And that book really opened up my eyes in understanding pornography not only as this kind of smut thing that people watch sometimes but the impact that it has on how we understand ourselves and our sexuality and uh how we how how we End up reproducing ideas of what we have seen in porn. In our own lives? Yeah. I thought that was pretty fascinating. And then I moved from Sweden to Barcelona.

I started to study filmmaking here in Barcelona. Okay. Uh and I in 2004 I got an opportunity to do a short film. And that was one of these big moments in life that I didn't know back then that it was gonna be a big moment. I just thought I was making a little film. Yeah. But the film uh turned out to um Turned out to be my first

porn film. Yeah. And I I I didn't even set it out to be that when I started the process. And then I started develop and in the script writing process, etc., I came up with this idea of of what would happen if it, you know, became a little bit more explicit than I had thought at the beginning. Because the first the idea was erotic and then it became explicit. Yeah.

And I picked up like a very basic idea from porn, the pizza guy, the pizza guy cliche. But I said it must be a possibility to make this completely different. I make it from her point of view. This is about her, what she feels, where she is, and you know, how she lives this moment. And the film was called The Good Girl.

And it turned out to be a beautiful film. It's I mean, if you look at it technically, it has its flaws. Not gonna pretend that I was a great filmmaker back then. Uh But it has a soul. Yeah, yeah. We've spoken a little bit to the societal challenges and the cultural challenges and even governmental challenges around making porn. Were there any particular stumbling blocks or like lessons that you learned along the way? in making your stuff. Like what sticks out when I say that?

I mean hundred of thousands of w I don't know how many there there's so so so many and they are still here today and every Every decade has its own challenging and things are changing all the time. So I don't even know where to begin there. Uh I mean think that when I started out I uh had to learn how to make DVDs and how to distribute them and and it was it was a very different world and then this online uh uh world took over and um

And it's now even getting into an artificial intelligence world that we don't know where it's gonna take us. So uh I've definitely seen a lot of changes. uh in the industry in society uh what is hard for everyone who works with sex you know this also is all the social media that is banning all of us all the time Guidelines. Yeah, shadow banning. Community, whatever, community guidelines, you know. Undefined censorship.

But here we get we get to one of the big questions, uh and it's money. Who owns these platforms? It's the tech guys. It's a tech guy oligarchy situation going on and If we look at the people who are still not equally represented in pornography, we're talking about women, we're talking about the whole LGBTQI plus community.

We don't have the same power. We just don't have the same power. We just don't have the same money. We don't have the same kind of representation. So I think that that it's also important to keep on working in growing our businesses. Yeah. And here, you know, we also when we talk about money and we talk about businesses, we also get to, you know, the core of it that is sex work, that is the right to earn your money. With your erotic capital that is your physical body. Right. Yeah.

Can I leverage that or is that only allowed to be leveraged by the tech oligarchs? Yeah. Right? That's the tension and that's the oppressive system that's working against so many of us right now. Yeah. Yeah. And how do we do this kind of redistribution? And I always think when I think about my platforms online, my streaming services online. I mean we have sixty percent paying customers are men. Yeah.

But we're redistributing that to our crews and our performers who are mostly women and LGBTQI Plus. Yeah. Well the lack of diversity. As you said, for the LGPTQIA community, for women, for people of color. All of that, like it's the patriarchy, right? It's the white says patriarchy that excludes so much and it excludes that diversity of sexuality, that among those 60% of men consuming porn, many of them want to be submissive.

Many of them want to play with different power dynamics. Many of them really enjoy watching female pleasure, right? So that's a lot of what we miss. Many of them have have have good values, have great values. Yeah is destroy that tiny little ass Yes. Etc. But they would rather have anal sex in a way where she actually has pleasure. Which we're going to get. Two. Yes,'cause we do want to talk about one of your films on that very subject. Yeah.

Um I I know you wrote a book about like a lot of common misconceptions um about porn in general, but what do you think are some common misconceptions about making porn or directing porn? Yeah. It depends who you talk to. There are different groups of people with different kind of ideas. With porn in general.

Äh the prejudices that people mostly have is that it's a very exploitative industry. I think that's the general big idea that they have that everybody in the industry are losers or people from very poor circumstances that didn't have any other choice in life, that didn't make other careers that they wanted to do and they had somehow to get into porn. I hear still today when I do interviews sometimes journalists uh framing it.

How did I end up in porn without being aware that I did not end up in porn? Because This was a active choice I made, and most of the people in this industry, uh, it's the same way. The ideas that the industry Full of exploitative directors and producers who are creeps and who are just out there. I think that's an idea. that comes from from from a different era. I would not say that it it it is completely fake because Sure.

definitely been this kind of figures in the industry. There are probably some of them still alive. The dinosaurs, the old school guys. Yeah. Porn is not the perfect industry. It still has to be a few. No industry in it. Some challenges. Yeah. It has to mature, but I've seen it. the industry in itself. I've seen how the industry has

you know, made an effort, have kind of started to mature, how more people, uh, you know, from different backgrounds have gotten into this industry. They are taking it very seriously. And they are trying to make the best industry in the best working conditions for people in general in the industry, but particularly for performers. How you know these consent practices.

In general, have led to more and more companies developing bill of rights standards generalized standards, collaborations between different companies in this industry to kind of have common ideas of how. how do we make sure that a set is as safe as possible? Right. There will always be things happening. Of course there is in life there isn't any any industry in

Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's no industry without some risk of exploitation and there's no such thing as one hundred percent safe sex, only safer sex. Right. So what are you doing to encourage that and to protect your performers as well? Do you love Erica Les as much as we do? Do you want to get 45% off the subscription price? Head to ericalust.com, register your username and password if you haven't already, and then just enter girls on porn45 at checkout.

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This is a question that I always think about. Like how much are is is everything Like a hundred percent choreograph. In terms of like sex. Yeah. How how how how could it be? Well the only thing we can do is set up the framework. We can we can talk it through as much as possible. We can make very clear You know, when when when when I start working on a film, uh what's the first time? What kind of sex am I looking for? What kind of connection am I looking for? And then it depends. It varies.

I mean, yeah. It's this a softer. Is it a group sex situation? Is it a threesome? Who's involved in this? What kind of practices? What kind of toys? I mean, there's Very specific for everything. But what what what we always do and what I think is the best the best way or the only way of really working is you have to get to know the people you are gonna work with. So yes if

If you are shooting a sex scene and it requires performers, you have to get to know them. Who are they? What kind of sexuality do they have? What they have done that before? What relationship do they have to this other performer?

I mean, I think it's important to have in mind that we're shooting sex, so we want people to feel as good and as sexy as possible. We want them to connect, we want them to have a feeling that even if this is a performance, obviously, because it's fiction and we are performing sex in front of the camera, but at the same time, it has a level of realness because It is their real bodies encountering each other uh in front of that camera. So the more we can get into detail what

That's the the first thing. But then what I try to do in in our consent talks or sex talks is also concentrate a lot on the positive, on the on the pleasurable things of sex. What turns you on? Yes. What makes you come? Is there anything, you know, that we need to know the director and the performer and the the the intimacy coordinator so we can support you to have an

easier time to get where you want to go. Because obviously I always say that I encourage real orgasms. If you feel that it can happen, that is fantastic. That's a gift. Right. Yeah. Some performers uh have a very easy time to orgasm, some have a harder time, some don't even do it. But I always have this conversation before so at least between us, the whole world doesn't have to know the situation, but I need to know. Yeah. So I know what am I working with here. What can I kind of explain

Expect? Can I bring in a toy? Yes. Uh that can stimulate you better. And I hear all the time my female performers saying, you know. Yeah. If I can bring in a vibrating toy, yeah, I can almost guaranteed that it's gonna happen, you know, because that's a reality and this is one of the biggest myths. Yes. In you know, sex in general. If we can have some clitoral stimulation. Exactly.

I love that you ask each performer that. Not just like what are your boundaries and what keeps you safe and what are we not doing, but also what do you enjoy? What can we do to enhance this experience for you the positive and to encourage the pleasure for the performers? Because I have an idea for the film but then they are the one who are gonna have sex in front of the camera. So I

I I I need to listen to their feedback also. And then what mood are they in? Because people also sometimes feel that You know that they are machines, they're not machines, they're people. Sometimes there are situations in their life that you know, affects their mood. They're in a better mood, they're a worse mood, they're a more uh vulnerable mood, etc. So we have to be very, you know, aware.

Yeah, yeah. Yes. You mentioned the int industry changing so much over the years and into the going from VHS tapes to D V D to AI uh and whatever is happening there now. Anything that you're doing to adapt right now, like any way that you're looking at the future or are you committed to film and artistry in it. Like how are you reckoning with this exact moment? I don't know what's gonna happen in the future. Yeah, that's a reality. I have always Tried

to explore with technology when it comes because I do think it's interesting. That's one of the reasons why we have House of Erica Last that it's like more of an art installation going on but that also has Aspects of virtual reality, immersive... And and all of these kind of technologies and I I think I I made a VR film a few years ago also, three sixty where you can you know, you can Really?

even part of this installation. Yeah. So I I think that all of these technologies are very interesting, but that doesn't mean that I know how to manage them or handle them. And what I do feel is every time it's difficult for me because I'm more of a Classical filmmaker in that sens that I have lent how to frame and light and work. So with with with with the ingredients of cinema to make the film look really good. And when you get into this VR filming, for example, you don't have any of those.

cinematic tools that you have in regular cinema. So suddenly you are a bit, you know, nude. You don't know how to how to work with it. So I think that The that all new technology definitely needs training and exploration and it needs that attitude of not being afraid but you know, daring to to to get wrong or to do it wrong or to try and to get Better. Yeah. And with AI what I've seen for now in in with porn.

It's basically bigger breasts, bigger penises and harder extreme sex. I don't think that it has been used in a particularly interesting way at all. Yeah. Yeah. I I guess it's like everything. There's probably a potential there, but it needs creativity and it needs people who have who dare to play with it in that ethical way of trying because I think it's very important to understand

that it should not be operated uh in a sense of now we're substituting all the performers with these fake right AI models. I I but you know the the kind of point I make is Right. It's an artistic porn. Amen. speaks to people who are interested in real intimacy or in in in the realness of it. So I don't think that my audience is particularly Yeah. Interested in The porn becoming more fake.

Yeah, right. Yeah. There's almost a divide that I see happening now, right? Where like some is going more and more artificial, which creates some opportunity for things that would not be possible to create through cinema. But another audience is actually, I think the pendulum is swinging a different way where they're so craving something authentic that

porn that almost feels like, Oh, these are real people, I can believe this, the chemistry is real. That's where we see like amateur porn having a moment or like the specific performers. So it's it's it's an interesting landscape right now for sure. Yeah. But also it's it's hard today to know. what is real and what is authentic and what is a performance because also you know with with only fans and the fan sites growing i think that

People loved fans, subscribe subscribers, et cetera. They loved the idea in the beginning because it really, really felt like I can be closer to the performers. I you know, I'm turned on by that I like, that I want to watch. They can feel more like a a girlfriend or a boyfriend or you know, that that kind of experience. But then also I think that we've seen how bots took over the more personal conversations.

Former can't have intimate relationships with thousands of fans, so sometimes they outsource that just to have time to create. Exactly. And then how also these kind of that felt more authentic in the beginning, how they became more and more fabricated and more and more performed and Less the realness of that person, right? Yeah. No, I don't know.

Yeah. From what we understand you're reinvigorated to get the word out about Erica Lust films. Um, why is now an important time for Eric Less films to be seen in markets like outside of Europe? I mean every time is an important Yeah. But why now? I don't know. It's it's hard it's hard for us to reach the world in general because we are

So censured and banned. And uh I know that many people who are outside the porn world they don't even know that we are not allowed to do marketing. We are not allowed to you know, have this kind of Google ads and Facebook ads and and things that, you know, if you would sell shoes you could do. Yeah. anything to get your brand and your product out there. We are not.

Yeah. So and then we are obviously uh like we said uh shadow band and have a very hard time to to reach people on social media where is where most people are spending their time these days. So internet has changed a lot. The media landscape has also changed a lot. People used to read more magazins. They are not reading that much. Anymore. So what we have is basically what do you call it? Math too. Yeah. Muff to muff. Yeah. Word of mouth. What's the Where do you mom?

It's all part of it. Well, we have to be making out when I'm talking about your porn. You're gonna know about it more fun. Yeah. No, but so so we I I mean that's that's that's what we can do. Uh and I'm trying to Bring porn outside the internet is one of my goals because I think that it has A wonderful potential to be consumed socially. Yeah. And that's um that that is what makes us, you know, want to talk about it and to critique it as any other form of art and uh

to talk about what's good and what's bad and what we love and what we hate and all of these things that you know people are not really talking about. Right. Yeah. So I I do lots of screenings. I love showing my films on you know on the big screen in cinema. Sometimes I bring together

five hundred people in a room and we do Q and A's and you know. Yeah. No, no. And it's it's really a fantastic ambient. Yeah. And I love how people feel that it's, you know, Something exciting and and and that feeling that um that everybody's a little bit nervous. Yeah, a little toilet in the room together. Yeah.

Electricity in the air. And of course there's the few and far between people like us who are so enthusiastic about this that we want to help point people into content like yours. And as you know. On our show we talk about particular films and so we would love to talk about two of your films that we've already featured on the show, but just to get almost like your perspective.

making them. Yeah. We very hard to pick favorites. Yeah, we try to pick like one or you know, like our personal favorites and then and we were like we'll talk about them like and re we've already reviewed them for the show, but I freezed every time people ask me. They go like what's your f favorite movie? I'm like Pick your favorite these early on, you know, like pick your favorite kid. Like Um

Um the the video that I want to talk about I think was uh we featured it in the uh third episode ever that we did. Third episode anal, which I think to this day is our biggest episode. One of our most popular episodes of all time. Yes,'cause people will look by search term and anal is Obviously a huge topic. And the way anal sac is is dealt with in this film is so beautiful. The more taboo, the more puff.

I know. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but the video we want to talk about, um, which was my personal favorite is his was first in my ass. Um with Tiffany Dahl and Jay Smooth featuring um words by Tony Bentley. And I think this was the first video for me. I mean, if you go back and listen to the podcast, like my experience with anal has obviously like changed over the seven years that we've done the show. But this was the first time that I saw anal presented in like

A c a clean way or like a feminine way. Like there's so much about this video. I mean, it's just for like a small description. It's like a couple in like a brightly lit room and sh it's like obviously it's like a very feminine, like bed spreads very like flowery. She's reading excerpts of this of this essay. Sodomy is the ultimate sexual act of trust. You could really get hurt if you resist.

And she has, you know, ex basically like explores anal with her boyfriend. But even like with Jay Smooth, like coming out of the shower was like such a smart choice of like having someone like normally when you think about anal, like it's always like Brightly lit, shiny gloopy glue, and like a girl getting destroyed. But like this was so intimate and sensual. And you saw, like, you know, she pulls out butt plugs from like a little like chest under her bed and like they start working up and

She's enjoying it so much. It's not about like him being like, oh I'm destroy, you know, again, like destroying this ass. Um I just really loved it. And I was curious like why you chose this confession or like what about it like excited you.

Because of everything you just said basically, uh anal sex I think has been portrayed in such a sad way in media and especially in porn. Uh this whole idea of of of destroying i don't really understand where it comes from but it's obviously a very chauvinistic aggressive idea of how anal sex is fantasised about and uh especially in a heteronormativ way, right? Because that idea is what we see mostly in the heterosexual anal.

Uh if you look at the at the at at the at the queer world, the gay world. Animal is a very normalized sexual practice. That they talk very openly about how to prepare and how to care and how to clean and how to make it a safe. if as possible and there's nothing that is uh That's not going to be good. Yeah, there's almost like this misconception that like it it actually can't be pleasurable for a woman. Yeah. You know? Which is like, well, how do you try it?

Just very, very, very slotty women who wouldn't even dare to think about the Pervert. Yeah. Uh dirty act. And and and what I what I what I wanted to do with this film was was really to, you know, stick a hole on that whole idea and babble and just to show that it can be something absolutely beautiful and and and uh very very normal, very natural, very An everyday thing. And I love the idea with this film when I when we we created the art for it, I wanted it to be light.

and and and flowery and romantic and to bring out a whole different world. So that was very much much on purpose and then I think that the the text by Tony Bentley The Surrender is uh for for for me when I read it I was taken away By how powerful it is, how exciting it is and Yeah. Just a fascinating line in it. Essentially I'm paraphrasing that the pussy or the vagina can lie. Yeah. But that the ass can't. Yes. Yes. Which I love. Because this film supports the idea that you want to be

vulnerable and sensual and connected and relaxed into the act rather than it feeling like this tense aggressive thing. So the film just like only supports the reality that you need in order to have pleasurable anal sex. Exactly. And then with anal it's also so fascinating how nobody talks about, you know, m there's very little talk about fingers, there's very little talk about anal masturbation, about all these things that

That are actually like quite normal, you know. That are just like that are all common. Incredibly common. They're all part of it. They're all part of you know, the sexual experience, erogenous zones. Yes. You know, way to explore your own body. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. No, and we're continuing with with with the anal stuff. We are continuing because it's also very popular out here. A person.

And and I heard many, many people saying, both men and women, uh saying that they want to see more content that feels uh honest and that feels real and that feels soft and that feels so we actually we have a whole a whole bunch of films now in a series called The Art of Anal. Yeah. With lots of different, you know, kind of experiences showing anal in in in the light. Right. Of course. Again, as like a spectrum. Yeah. Yeah. Another film that we want to talk about.

It's a personal favorite of mine. And I love that Rachel mentioned how our tastes can evolve over the course of the show. That like certain films have turned us on to different things or expanded our horizons. I have a lot more group sex in my life than I did when we started. the podcast and Sweet But Psycho is a major highlight for us. Um this we featured in episode episode forty three, foursome. Stars Marna Miller,

uh Owen Gray, Vex Ashley, and Mickey Maud, who are also some of our favorite performers of all time. And it's basically about a couple that goes to an Airbnb for a little getaway, a little digital detox, a little nice time in this villa, and they notice there's no other guests and that there's some quirky behavior from their hosts who are played by Owen and Vex and it turns into a group play scene. Like they have this lovely meal and

drink a little, play in the pool and we were talking about how it compresses something that can like very often happen. Right. Where like couples might swing, but you would accomplish that in about four like I don't know, a minute or two in like the early minutes of the video, we get this couple seducing this couple that's arriving. Yeah.

You don't really get that in like group a lot of like foursome whatever, it's so much porn just like starts with the action. Because they're not interested in the characters. Who are they? Why are they there? What is happening to their interior kind of and I'm I'm I I'm very interested in what turns them on. Where are they in life? What is going on here? So I I I love when it's this kind of couple situations. I love when they are talking to each other. Like, yeah, oh my god, did you see that?

I can't believe And there are these looks, etc. Yeah. Now with these four performers it Easier to shoot because they're friends. They know each other. But they're all friendly. Did that add to the chemistry on it? have that chemistry so so that's uh Easy. Yeah. And and and then, you know, oh the they are also many of my, you know, favorite performers. Oh my god. Yeah. It's it's true. And I still have that apron in my kitchen. That's oh my god. The barbecue. It's in your kitchen.

I was gonna say if you're gonna create group sex, just write oh great. That's me on that. But we also what's important about this is like now that again like we've had more group play, like I was like the the word play is also so important and you really see it in this video, like it is quite playful. Like it's not like

You know, like sex doesn't need to be like so serious like all the time. You know, it can be like giggling in a pool, you know, where you're like, you know, it's so and it felt so nice and real. uh and honest and I was like that's what again like makes this like feel so hot. Yeah. Yeah. So and fun. Yes. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I also loved in this one how it was cut together that it felt like the sex flowed, but also we would kind of jump between

different sex acts were like re-watching it. I was like, oh, I think that's from before, but we're cutting back to it. But I love that it was it felt a little nonlinear because that is kind of how group sex feels.

We're like this might start with someone, but you're also kind of doing this, and then you jump back and when you remember it, like a delicious memory, you're like, Oh yeah, and we did that. Like how did that happen and when did we get there? Do you ever discover those things in the edit? Like does that happen?

Happens in many different phases to be honest. I mean, with with a film, you know, there's these things that the film can change when you cast it, it can change when you know during the shooting it can change in post-production it depends a lot but But um and and then you uh you also have the people the audience who sometimes are not uh all having the same opinion. I sometimes see uh you know, opinions

of people saying, Hey, too many jump cuts. Oh shit. I don't like that. For example, I want to see it all. And then you hear someone else saying, Oh my God, I love that because that was what brought me to to to feel that this is

So I mean you can't please everyone. There will be people who love suit, people who who won't. Uh for me one of of the films with with a group sex situation but it's it's this is a sex party film so there's more performers but one that I really really love is Dirty Martinez Sex Party uh because the way it's shot The camera feels almost like another person in So the way it kind of flows and it moves and it

So it's almost like Gorilla style, but you're among like many performers as opposed to just like the POV shot that it can move with it. But there's so many things that have to click in a film, you know. So I I you It's It's not easy to Can I stop talking? That's probably a good conversation.

Yeah. No, it's not. This is a really, really hard process. Think any of the films we make uh they take you know, more or less half a year to make from, you know, the conception of of the idea to start the planning, the casting, the shooting, the post production and think that we do

All of it. We do the colour correction, we do the graphics, we do the sound, we you know, this is a whole work. It's not just, you know, tomorrow afternoon let's film this in this hotel room and then a few hours after I'll put it up. No It's a production. This is a whole production.

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