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There are a lot of stereotypes and stigma around giftedness, and I'm here to challenge those. I'm here to raise awareness and to have a conversation around this topic of what does it mean to be a gifted adult. Common experience among gifted folks is that they... feel out of place they don't quite fit in they are too sensitive too intense too emotional too over excitable and too deep thinkers about the world and about themselves
So if you have been called too much about anything, then this show is for you. My name is Nadia. I'm too loud, too colorful, too bubbly, too bossy, and I love to talk too much. So welcome to my world, and I'm so happy you are here. Welcome back to Unleash Monday. I'm so excited you're here. Thank you for taking the time and listening to this podcast where we talk about giftedness and neurodivergence. And I'm super excited to have Ishwari on the show today.
Isheri and I met through a mutual friend and that friend told her to listen to my podcast because she felt that Isheri could relate. That actually happened. And Isri listened to my podcast and then reached out to me and we talked and it was really beautiful to see her journey up until this point. And recently she actually... figured out what she would like to do as a career. And I don't want to say too much. She will share this on the podcast with us. But I just wanted to let you know that.
When I started this podcast, I was like, oh my God, people need to hear this. I'm sure there's people out there who do not know about this topic, who need to know and help empower themselves.
help understanding themselves and really figure out who they are and to relieve some pain as well, because not knowing who you are and where you fit in this world can be... very lonely can be very stressful can be very self-harming it can be really really depressing in a way and so knowing that there's people out there that need to hear this message i created this podcast and now one and a half years later and i get feedback from exactly those people i had in mind in the beginning and
these people show up and they hear like, I listened to your podcast. It changed my life. Thank you. And I am just, you know, overwhelmed with joy and like grateful that. I could make an impact. I could make a difference in somebody's life. And this is why I'm here. And this is why I keep doing what I'm doing.
Because this message is so important and I believe in the power of storytelling and the power of people sharing their story so other people can relate. Because obviously everybody has a very unique story, but there's some overlaps and some... parts and that we can relate to and just sharing my own story probably won't help.
this whole community so having this powerful collection of different stories across the globe and so i don't want to go on a tangent here but I just wanted to let you know I'm so happy that Isheri agreed to come on this podcast and share her own story to empower other women other people and she's taking on a whole new level of responsibility, but she's going to share that with us in a moment. So without further ado, here's Ishwari. Welcome, Ishwari. I'm so excited to have you on the podcast.
I'm excited to be here. Oh, my God. It's been such a pleasure to see your journey and see you going through this. past few months and maybe for the listeners to explain like who you are and how you got to the podcast do you want to share a little bit just about yourself and how you found the podcast just we start there and then we talk a little bit further back and then further forward so okay
So I'm 23. I was going through major crisis. I am still undergoing depression, but thankfully I'm in a happy space now. One of my friends. recommended the podcast to me because she listened to it and then she thought she thought of me while she was listening to it so she introduced me to the podcast and then I started finding myself, but then I was reluctant because everyone knows what comes and what connotations giftedness has. And that's why I tried to phrase it like...
Your first guest phrases it that I'm a zebra, I'm not a gifted person. So that's how it started. And then I got to know more and more and more about giftedness. And finally, then I reached out to you and I talked to you and I bugged you. And just to back up a little bit for the listeners to know, so you're based in India, right? So what is giftedness in India? Is it a topic or how is it perceived? Like when you heard the term first, like what was your reactions or? In India, it's currently...
There's no talk around being gifted. At the best, I think, as far as I know and I have explored, people talk about the IQ tests at the best or if you're extraordinary about something with... something there's no such word called as gifted but still it has a different connotation right being gifted means that you are some supernatural being like some Iron Man or something like that and even Iron Man has got chink in his armor yet we forget that humans can have that as well and we just
expect these people to be extraordinarily happy, satisfied with their life, achieve everything and go on extraordinary adventures. But no one actually thinks that gifted.
People need nurturing. So now that you learned about the topic and you could kind of like... relate when listening to the stories looking back on your childhood and your teenage years can you share a little bit how it was for you and where where do you think retrospectively oh that might have been you know my giftedness being a little bit different or something yeah actually a few weeks back I was talking to my best friend and she's
known me since i was a baby because we were in the same daycare center and we were the same age so uh she was telling me how how every single time if Some situation was there. Everyone put into that situation. My response used to be always something different. And that's why it was easy to. pick me out to pluck me out of it and to point it out and say that you know hey this is not normal this is not how everyone thinks and that's why you're not welcome
I can now call it maybe a gifted trauma or something like that. I was bullied in the apartment that I live, the kids I used to play with, in the school van I used to travel in, and even in the school. My class teacher even went as far as claiming that I need to see a psychiatrist because I couldn't sit still in the... In the classroom while she was teaching, I constantly had to talk. I had to release my energy. And yet somehow when they saw my report card, everyone was surprised because...
it was a good percentage. I had scored like 85% at that time. So no one expected that of a child who did not. pay any form of attention who did not have their notebooks complete. My mom had to come and sit down and write my notes so that I had something to study with. Everything was like a big hassle growing up. And now that I look back at it, I...
I had so much energy. My parents couldn't control me. No one could control me. When I was in my junior KG, we had two class teachers. One used to get pissed at me. Another used to love me. And they used to... fight at every parent teacher meeting because one used to claim how amazing I am and another used to say that she is such a nuisance.
I can so relate to your story when you said, you know, you talk so much as a child. That was my story, too. And yeah, I had a lot of difficulties in the classroom. I'm curious, what did the psychologist say? Like, she didn't think you were gifted? What was the outcome of that? No, actually, it was said in such a negative connotation that, you know, maybe your child is crazy and they need to see some psychiatrist as if there's something wrong with their brain.
started crying I still somehow have the vivid image in my head I could I can still see her breaking down in front of my eyes so she never took me to a psychiatrist and Maybe in a way that was good because I would have been maybe misdiagnosed because people still don't know what giftedness in India is.
can't find a single gifted psychologist in India so maybe instead of being misdiagnosed that was better yeah and we're going to talk about that the the lack of gifted psychologists in india just in a little bit but share a little bit about your your teenage years maybe how did that then transform you know throughout
high school? How was your experience? And what did you want to be when you grew up? Did you have a clear idea or how did that go for you? I'm asking because I know, I think I know the answer. Okay, so I... As I was growing up, I realized that I always had to be with people. I had, thanks to the overexcitability, psychomotor overexcitability, I have the... I have this condition of compulsive talking and I do not.
look at it as an excuse anymore i'm just trying to look at it as it is it is not a condition it is not a disorder it is what it is i have extra energy which i need to release People either have loved me or hated me. There was never in between. Just like my extremism is that either I'm super into it or I'm not into it. And then during the school years, I was just...
I love fiction and I love fictional characters. So I was watching a TV serial and there was a cool lawyer. So I wanted to be him. So I wanted to be every cool person to exist. that exists on this planet. I wanted to be everyone and I wanted to so become the lawyer. And then... My father took me to my uncle, who's a lawyer. And then I saw the books and the section numbers to remember. And I got scared and I left the plan.
That sounds like me again. I always want to become a lawyer. And then I was like, oh, I'm not good at learning things by heart. No, different career path for me. So what was next? What was your next idea? Then, so in India, we have like three streams that we choose after 10 standard science, commerce, arts. So my mom teaches chemistry. So looking at the chemistry books, I was like, no, I'm not doing that.
Then comes commerce, which I had no idea about, but I was okayish with math. So I went with... went on with it although commerce has got nothing to do with not a lot to do with maths still I went ahead with it but then I realized that then not then actually like six seven years years into commerce I realized that I'm not good at commerce more than not being good at commerce it doesn't have anything that holds emotional value
There is transaction, which is interesting. There's debit and credit. It has got its logic. The math is good that when your balance sheet tallies, it's an amazing feeling to have when you figure something out by yourself and your teacher. praises you for having brilliant brains. That is an amazing feeling, but it doesn't hold any form of emotional value. And so I finally gave up on commerce.
seven years after seven years like I gave up on commerce three months ago basically and so what what made you give up or what What was it that changed it? I have a feeling it has something to do with my podcast. Yeah, it has got to do with your podcast. After I was done with my bachelor's, in the second years of my bachelor's, I realized that I did not like commerce and maybe I want to change my strength. Maybe do psychology or...
something or arts maybe. At that time, I wanted to be more of a writer because I was writing online and everyone told me that I had my way with words so I could write well. And that's what I wanted to be. Then one day, my father sat me down and he told me that writing is a good hobby, but you won't be able to make a lot of money to make your living out of it.
So that's when I dropped the plan. I stopped writing. And that was another thing, I think, that led to depression. And after that, then I, as I... started listening to your podcast i learned so many things about over excitability and positive disintegration and what my needs are because first for the okay so
One of the things that I knew that I couldn't do commerce, I was telling even in my second year of bachelor's, I told my parents that I don't want to do commerce because I'm not liking it. And they told me that... you know, you have to clear this exam and you have another year. So, you know, you're into it. So might as well give it a try. And then I was also trying something as prestigious as being a chartered accountant. big deal in india so so that's why and even even now even like
Until a few months back, as I told people that I'm doing CA, I'm trying to become a chartered accountant, they used to look at me with a lot of respect. So basically, what... I did not want to give up on commerce because then I thought that maybe whatever I take up, I'll give up on that as well. Because everyone kept asking me that, what if you fail in that as well? Would you give that up?
And I was being harsh with myself saying that why cannot I become this? If I have the potential, I knew I had the potential. I know I have the potential. put my mind to it i would be able to crack it but what i learned what i learned thanks to the over excitability is your podcast and being gifted was that It had not got to do with how intelligent or how dumb I am. It had got to do with what I value and what I need in my life in order to become successful.
By becoming successful, I mean that in order to pour my everything into it so that I'll be at least a little bit satisfied with whatever I do. And commerce was not giving me that satisfaction. And I did not have the courage to, just like I did not have, I kept blaming myself for having this compulsive talking thingy. I blamed myself for so long for not becoming successful in what I had set out for.
It's this expectation of society, right? Like, as you said, there's certain profession that get just their higher standard and people look up to it like being a doctor or being.
Even a lawyer. Or being a lawyer, lawyer, doctor. Then if you become one of those professions or professionals, you... are successful in other people's eyes but that doesn't mean you're happy or fulfilled in your own life and if you don't know about giftedness or giftedness needs or who you are you also lack this vocabulary
or you lack your basic self-understanding, I would say. So share a little bit more of how it was for you, how the transformation within you, what... did you go through like i imagine that it wasn't just like you found a podcast and everything was resolved immediately i think that it's usually a little bit you know uncomfortable and unsettling, maybe even a positive disintegration process. How was it for you? Yeah, it was as I listened to the podcast and then thankfully I joined your community.
And that was another thing that changed so many things about me because I had problems. I kept telling people that I am having problems. I am undergoing depression and I feel it. I feel it inside me. But my friends... At first, they thought that it was nothing big, nothing huge, and it was all in my head. And I know it is in my head, but I could see that I couldn't overcome it by myself.
through your podcast and the community. As I found like-minded people, my friend who introduced the podcast to me, that's what she was trying to tell me, that being gifted doesn't mean that... you know, you won't have any problem. But if you understand that you're gifted and your brain is wired differently, it functions differently. So if you find like-minded people, they would tell you a way.
to do it because 98% of the people or 90% of the people have designed the world and give you the tips that work for them. Your brain is wired differently. How would the things that work for them work for you? And that's what it created a padding, you know. So it was like a gradual process. First, it was the podcast and then I read about it. And then it was a community. And through the community, it was like the monthly meetings and the monthly.
Topics that we picked out and then the overexcitabilities and positive disintegration and then MBTI personality types. So everything, as I researched about it, I found new things about myself. problems with people around and everyone gave me their input and that in way started to build me up. That in a way started to bring me out of the depression or of a mental state that was extremely scathing because my thought process was so toxic at that point.
Even as I go back now or even when I used to have this. moments through those depression when I wasn't trapped in my head and I could look at things objectively, I could see that my thought process wasn't healthy. So it was... Like step by step by step by step, everything built me up. And even as I did the artist's way and I did my morning pages, that is where I found my safe place.
It was like little things that I learned about myself that my inner child has been hurt. So I need to treat myself as a child and I need to. speak sweetly to it in order for me to listen and to treat myself better. So what I would do is in my morning pages, I would talk to myself.
Because previously, that's what I struggled with when I tried to ask myself questions, what I wanted. Because since I was struggling with my professional decision, I... tried asking myself multiple times that what do you want to do we'll pick whatever you want to do and we'll go through it but no answer came from within but after i wrote morning pages for like months After that, a voice started responding to me. And that is a sweet child voice. And even...
Till date, it throws tantrums. And that's good that it throws tantrums because it shows that I have emotions. And now I am equipped to deal with it like an adult. I have mentally found a place where I'm self-parenting myself in a way that I wanted my parents to be because since I was a gifted person. my responses were different my parents they their methods didn't work on me it seemed too harsh as I grew up so
Now I can tell myself that, okay, darling, okay, baby, what's the problem? Someone hurt you. That's okay. So you can be a little, I've learned. At first, it seemed so odd to my own ears because the voice in my head was so, so harsh. But then slowly and steadily, I got used to it. So yeah, sweetheart. Yeah. Okay. What happened? Okay. He hurt you. Did he say something? What was it? Okay. We'll talk to them. We'll find out. We'll figure out. It's okay. I'm there.
We'll go through it together because that's what I think everyone wants. They want a companion. They want someone they trust to be there with them when they are undergoing pain, when they want someone to. hold them, to give them a warm hug and tell them that I'm here. I know it's hard, but we'll overcome this. Oh, wow. And it's so beautiful to see also that like...
kind of your passion set you free because you said, you know, writing was your passion. And then when your dad said, you know, it's not. a profession to choose to support yourself and you basically gave up on it. But through the morning pages, I think you found some way back into writing. Maybe just for the listeners, can you explain a little bit the morning pages? We've mentioned it on the show before, and it's Julia Cameron's book.
the artist's way. And it's basically a 12 week program where you write these morning pages. Can you share a little bit what goes in a morning page and what doesn't go in a morning page and how do you do it correctly? So it's like a very simple thing. The only rule is that you write three pages every single day. Hopefully... It is the first thing that you do in the morning because then your brain is fresh. And once you dump everything out, then it becomes better.
to go through your day and maybe you can even organize your thoughts on some days when things used to be hard i used to maybe write them throughout the day or when i didn't know like julia cameron explicitly mentions this. If you don't know what to write, maybe for the three entire pages, right? I don't know what to write. I don't know what to write. But you have to complete them. And everyone feels that. Oh, that's not a difficult thing to do. Three pages, I'd write them.
You can only finish one and a half page and then you're blank. And then that's when you push. And that's when your real problem starts so facing. And most of the people tend to give up once that starts. Then when that starts happening, but then that's the magic. Persist, persist and persist.
And then through Julia Cameron's book, you get these little tasks, which are extremely difficult, but they teach you to be a little bit kind to yourself, to spend time with yourself and to love yourself more. and be comfortable in your own skin. Yeah, it's very transformational. It's really to unleash your creativity as well and to unlock like a writer's block, I guess. Yeah.
But there's no wrong way. As you said, if you don't know what to write, you just write, I don't know what to write for three pages. But there's no way of doing it wrong. So even if you don't have the book, just start writing three pages in the morning and see. the magic unfold. Once you were in the community, you're listening to the podcast, you're learning all these topics, but I think you were still then learning about overexcitabilities and Dabrowski's theory.
But I think you were still going through some things. I think you mentioned existential depression. What did you do then? As I was doing the artist's way, I thought that I had overcome the depression by myself as a strong person I am. But I didn't. And I was... I had gotten better. I had created a form base for myself where I couldn't just spiral into it. And I still didn't believe that I'm a gifted individual. And we talked about it. I bugged you.
As I found out, the most that I related when talk of giftedness happened, I would relate more to the overexcitabilities. So I thought that... If overexcitability exists, then maybe I'm a gifted person. But then I learned that you can have overexcitability and you can be not gifted. Like there's a huge overlap, but they can coexist. They can exist independently. And my first question to Nadia was, am I one of those? Do I only have over-excited abilities?
Because the doubt was so high in my head. And I remember the day, it was last August that I found out. about overexcitabilities and I read a very very basic article about it and what five overexcitabilities there were there are and what what it entails and what factors does it count in. And I couldn't stop crying because all giftedness or Dabrowski's work did was everything that I had been told as a kid that.
or as an adult, that this is wrong about you. This is wrong about you. You need to change this. They were going ahead and telling me that those things aren't my liabilities, but my assets. That's what shook me. And that's what I wanted to deny so much because. Part of me was so visceral because for all these years, everyone told me that I am a bad person and I'm wrong to have those things. But someone is telling me that.
They are good things to have. And how dare they tell me? How dare they give me hope? And that's what was, you know, shaking. And I couldn't stop crying. It was such a violent reaction towards it that I still can't forget. Because... Being an overexcitable child, I remember telling my friend, I was crying. My sister was sitting next to me. I was talking to my friend and I was crying that if this is what giftedness, being gifted means.
I don't want to be gifted. And why do I have to have this gift? And I'm cursed. I'm not gifted. I'm not blessed. And this is so wrong. I kept telling them because as a kid, as I wanted to talk so much and I had so much of energy, I cried for the little me or the child because... All I wanted to do was play. All the child that wanted to do was play, have fun and talk to people because people were amazing to that kid. And that is what the kid was denied of.
And that's what, you know, that's what made me the most uncomfortable. Yeah, it is always very emotional finding out. uncovering this truth, isn't it? And that the first reaction is, why hasn't anybody told me? And how can I return this? Exactly. I want to take it back. Whoever, if God doesn't exist, nature, please take it back. I don't want this. So, but recently you started... I think embracing it a little bit more and you reached out to a few people in the broader community of giftedness.
Do you want to share a little bit? Because I think you still had some doubts or you reached out for more help and support. Yeah, so... What happened was that I was going through this, what I want to do as a profession because I was turning older and older. And things weren't working out because I worked in a CA firm and I did not like the work. So I gave up on the job and I was sitting at home idle.
Still not being able to figure out what I wanted to do. I had certain options in my head, but nothing. One of the things that drove me nuts was nothing seemed compelling enough to dedicate myself to it. call it being gifted or the depression it's everything seems so shallow and meaningless that I did not want to do it so
I went to, my father is currently living in a different city because of his work. So I went there, I sat down and he talked to me. If you're going through hard time, maybe take an aptitude test, maybe type.
talk to a psychologist but I knew that if I told them that I'm gifted they'd laugh at me they'd they'd think I am crazy so I was frantic at one point I was very very frantic so i wrote an email i just took randomly people i know from the gifted community uh from off the cuff from Google and I just wrote the email to them and I attached two of my morning pages extracts in it.
And I mailed it. I told them that I don't. So I'm unofficially diagnosed as a gifted individual. And I don't know where my gift lies if I am one. I sure don't have a high IQ and I just negated all the possibilities that I'm not gifted in a spiritual way. I'm not emotionally gifted interpersonally, intrapersonally. And this is what I'm going through. My head is.
a dark space and i am i i have given up on myself but i don't want to give up on the people around me because they have supported me even if their help wasn't as beneficial being non-gifted I still cannot bring myself to give up on them because that would be unfair so I don't know what to do at this point so can you please guide me out
guide me to a psychologist because i'm not finding any in india so i just randomly took the emails from google and i mailed it to them and i did not think that i would get a reply but i did Thankfully, I did. I learned about Tris Wells through your podcast. So I had mailed to her. So she replied to me. Another psychologist, he actually, it was so interesting and so heartwarming for me that I had gotten an email that was...
That wasn't even their personal email. That was in some organization they were working at that point. And I mentioned their name. The person who was working there, they forwarded to that person and that person responded to me. that actually shows how much the community cares about each other. And they've not met me. They've not seen me. They have no personal interest to guide me. Yet they took out the time to reply. They shared.
They shared sites and the works that I need to read if I want to overcome existential depression. And they shared the resources. And then Chris talked to me and Chris offered me to help. And now I'm getting my therapy with her. So that's how much. People here care and that is what was so baffling and heartwarming to me because I was screaming for help for so long. It was the gifted community who just took me in without any further questions like you did, like Chris did.
Even just reading the works, Living with Intensity by Michael Piofsky or watching Linda Silverman's. Linda Silverman's YouTube videos, the conferences that she took and Jim Delisle's work and about underachievement that you had shared the video on the community. Actually, it was Jim's idea that I borrowed because someone wrote an email to him. And that's how I got the idea because I was so frantic. I thought that I was going to get misdiagnosed and I did not want that to happen.
So I'm finally now getting help that I needed. And that is so heartwarming. That is so comforting. And actually at one point of... time I had given up on hope, on hoping, but finally it seems that, you know, this time I won't come out more shattered as I'm having more hope.
to get better. This is such a beautiful story and especially showing this community and I was also entering this space not knowing anybody and I was like well I need to create a podcast and I just randomly reached out to people and everybody was so nice and helpful and really from like embraced me and I had such hard imposter syndrome but people were saying what you do is needed and for me showing
or being able to have you on the podcast because you or people like you were the reason why I thought I need to make a podcast so that people can learn about this topic. And I think you already... now actually are on the path of knowing what you want to do with your life and you set huge goals. Do you already want to share or is it too early to say that publicly?
Maybe I want to share because I think it's maybe important. And if someone who is out there and listening, maybe if they're inspired, we need more people. So the day before I was going to talk to Chris, I had narrowed down my future possibilities to two things that either I wanted to be a LGBT community. LGBTQ community social justice lawyer, or I wanted to become a gifted adult psychologist because I couldn't find any in India. So I thought that maybe...
Many, many people must be going through the things that I'm going through and maybe they also may undergo existential depression and it's not a good feeling. That's why I thought that... Maybe this is something that I actually dedicate my entire life to because there's so much to do. People still, even in the most developed countries where giftedness is talked about, people are still focusing and emphasizing on.
be on gifted children and no one is talking about gifted adults or gifted trauma or what it is and what it means to grow up as not knowing that you're gifted and then unpacking this entire gifted trauma thing. Because it sure leaves it scarce. You are bruised. And if you don't... treat the bruise properly, then it can become fatal. So you're becoming a gifted psychologist for adults in India, the first? Yes.
And you know, that's a huge market. I'm just saying it out here that if anybody else in all of Asia has. wants to support Ishwari in her endeavor because we need more. I think you won't be sufficient to serve all of India, but you're a start and you're an inspiration. And I'm so excited to have...
Love you in the community to have you here. And thank you so much for sharing your journey. Is there anything else you would like to share? Something you wish people knew? Something you wish you knew earlier?
So, undergoing depression and knowing the feeling when you can't even get out of the bed and just... constantly undergoing anxiety because I think it is rightly said so that it is more often than not or it is mostly the gifted individuals who undergo depression because Since we have the brain power to do it, we just microanalyze every single thing.
It is actually good when used for a good cause or a good thinking. But if we try to micromanage or put every single action and word under a microscope, then it becomes... harder and harder and every single day then it's a spiral loop that you know you you just fall into this endless pit and You don't know who to trust. You don't know what to trust. And I don't think I've met any person or will ever meet any person who would...
whom I go to and tell them that they are gifted and they just accept it immediately. So there's a lot of rejection. There's a lot of pondering. You need to educate yourself more because giftedness doesn't look. one way it can it has its own facets and you can be gifted in so many different areas and so many different ways and it is we still need to research about it so I think one thing that everyone can keep in mind that it's hard today and I...
You know, it is something that used to drive me nuts when people used to tell me and when I used to hear it that everything happens for good. And I hated that phrase. But now that I look back at it. today uh no it's worth it oh thank you for sharing is there anything else you wanted to say maybe just that uh if
If things are difficult for you, try the pro tip that I got that maybe do only select three tasks a day and don't overwhelm yourself. As gifted individuals, we... tend to run into one burnout to another so keep in check of your energy because since you have this explosive energy take time to recharge never ever Let that energy level go into negative. Never let it dip into negative. Always keep it in positive. It should be always on top of the graph, not downside.
Thank you. I think I just needed to hear that from you today because that's something I need to work on. So thank you so much, Ishrie, for reminding me. And it's such a pleasure. a gift to have you in the community to have you and to be able to you know to talk to you because you reached out to me and i think you learned something from me but I learned as much, if not even more from you. So thank you so much for being here, for sharing. And I'm wishing you.
Very, very good luck on your journey of becoming the first ever psychologist for gifted adults in India. So thank you and bye. Bye. I hope you liked this episode and I hope you're cheering Ishwari on wherever you are and sending her lots of positive energy and lots of strength to follow through with her plan of becoming the first gifted. psychologist in India. I'm so inspired by Israe's story of not knowing what to study and then coming up with this amazing plan.
I'm just in awe and I'm wishing her all the best and we keep you updated on her journey. And if you have a message for Ishwari, you can send an email to hello at UnleashMonday.com and I will forward.
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