Giant Bombcast 12/02/2014 (Premium)

Mm hmm. December is upon us. Oh great, that was fast and this is probably the fullest house the Giant Bomb Cast has ever seen. A damn it, I get to be Dave Coolier and do that was coming? Cut? Can we just start over? Just start over? I don't, I don't. I don't want to be associated with this. So too bad. We're already I'm your host, Brat Shumaker. That's jeff Erson. Hello. Hello, if we're not even in the podcast, there are too many people. We have grown far beyond our means. Yeah, and we had

to improvise. Dan Ragers here, Drew's Dandelon is here. Hello, I'm also Bob second the usual career. Are you sure? Yeah? Aretty? Sure you want that? Oh oh yeah, I think long and hard here I have. You've got all these choices. You could be which one of us works the bluest? You could be DJ Tanner. See that's the thing. People wouldn't expect it. It's a good point. Didn't they go back and look at my old material? Whoa, yeah, whoa, I see you as he's in half baked all right, and these woes. He's the

guy the narcotics anonymous thing directed dirty work. Yes, he did, he directed, I directed dirty. Yeah, I'm talented. We are sitting in the middle of the studio right now because Alex and Varrow is here. Hi. Patrick Klaffik is here, Jason ay Striker is here. Dear God, there's a lot of people here. You're sitting at You're sitting at a remote control running into the control room. Welcome to the future, running this whole thing. This is pretty cool. I Betty carolels here, Hello, how

are you doing doing? All right? You're like hot off a plane? I am super hot off a plane. Left that you left that seat burning. That's true, and you should not that that plane is being decommissioned. It is not my fault. Now, is the burning anything to do with the airplane boogers you were talking about earlier? No, those came. Those are my own. That's my own house. You know. It's like that dry air and you're just like just crunchy in the nose for like weeks afterwards.

You can't I That's what I'm saying. They charge you twenty five dollars per plane, bogger. Now, the charge of everything, and sometimes it's just like Slane got check you next seat for your plane buggers. Yeah, I made I went to the airport an hour and a half early. You got there an hour and a half our. Yeah, okay, all right, that's half an hour earlier. Wow, I'm back up. I'm writting this down for my back this up a second. How did some of that

hot New York efficiency right there? Jersey? Oh okay, yeah, so I just sorry new York, New Jersey. I just say New York when I mean New Jersey, just like everyone else who said that, I live in New York. Yeah, because that's a kind of a little west, that's a north Joys. I'm sorry what you say, northern New Jersey. It is, but I was in Newark and it was just I think it must have just been that Thanksgiving the traffic, and it can't get rid of

that accent. It's New York for any I'm sorry, what New York, Neuvo York, not in New York whatever you said? Oh yeah, yeah, new work. Well you let you left today. I left yesterday. And so there's two air I got here before you. That's where Chicago at the other is not a major hub anymore. No, No, everyone just did, uh Midway. The other airport's not the one I went out of I went out of my hair. But at one point the security line was

measured at a mile long. That's crazy. So my biggest problem was not

necessarily missing my flight. It was the minutes up to missing my flight on the security line, and there was just like you didn't ask to go, like skipp I did, Oh, I asked, and they did what I guess because it's the holiday, They're like, hey, buddy, and also's New Jersey, so that's just kind of but there was like just this oh everybody was in front of me. That was the slowest person, and there was this little old lady in front of me who just just had a shuffle

going right, and I literally she was right in front of me, and she was my She was in front of me, and the scanner was in front of her, and she's pushing her bags along the thing, the conveyor belt and then just doing this tiny little shuffle. And I literally got up behind her and just started pushing the back, like just kind of like pushing her in the back because you know, I gotta go, yep, And then I ran to my gate and uh, totally miss I've never missed.

The flight was the flight already gone or were you getting there and you hit the cut off? I hit it was It was weird. I've never experienced this before. The flight left at seven thirty in the morning, boarding started at six forty five and ended at seven fifteen. So I made it there at like seven twenty eight and the plane was gone. So the worst I've had one where I showed up planes right there. Oh they wouldn't let you on the fuckers let me out, Like, nope, close the door.

Yeah you see your kids on it, It doesn't matter. I think it's a regulations. I don't think they can open the door. Can they fly away with your kids? In that? Kidnapping? Think about that, man, that really makes you think, Oh, you're saying if you have a kid on there, like, oh my god, my kids. My kid is on there. My baby's on that plane. Yeah, how the hell did your kid get on the plane without you there to help you. I'm not saying I'm inherent with the kids on the plane. My kid was like

I'm leaving on time. That's a really good one. It was not a really good one. Uh So yeah, I didn't I didn't enjoy that. I'm sorry. Yeah, but you're here now, I am. I made it. We're We're happy to have all of you guys here for a gallon week of Game of the year of production work, I guess is what we would call it. Yep, flying him out. He's shooting. We brought him on. Oh wow. Yeah, last time I was here, we all would watchdogs that came out right? Uh man? Was that this year?

Yes? Yes, it was. Would you guys been up to Did you work here in calendar fourteen? Yeah? I like almost half of it. I know you did those somewhat rhetorical, but it feels like a lifetime ago. That's been a long year, long summer. It's a lot of stuff going on this year. But yeah, we're gonna I don't know how the sound quality isn't here. We're just in the giant open studio. But

that's great. We're gonna be sitting back down here two days hence to argue four hours and hours about the best games of the year and some of the worst too. Yes, also that I'm only arguing but for the worst. Okay, I mean I would You wouldn't have flown me out here if we weren't talking about terrible stuff. Sopose that's true. But yeah, this is a good dry run to see how this thing turns out. Yeah, for many, many hours of podcasting to come. Who had a good Thanksgiving?

Me? Yeah? I want absolutely nothing. Yeah that's a good Thanksgiving. There's too many people here to go around the horn. I just I want to hear one Thanksgiving story. It's got a good one. I feel like there's probably someone that has the best stories based on some what did ever buddy? Just look at Damn? I just sat around though. Some all had to watch a video of him throwing up. This the first thing I saw when I walked in. I got an egg sandwich, and the halfway through

he's like, oh, check this part. This is the part where Danny where Danny Dyer throws up everywhere. Danny puke before me. So I won that competition. This is this is so I saw. That is still only the second most gross thing I've seen today. What's number one? I don't know. There's a photo on the internet of a guy who put his my little Pony doll in a jar of his own semen and left it there for a long time and it melted. The doll kind of melted over time.

That was your thanks Dan similar that just went I went cosmic bowling. Wait, so were you? Were you in Kansas for things? Yeah? And Daniel Dwyer went down to Kansas with the cultural exchange. That's crazy. I'm going to Ireland next, are you really? Yeah? For Thanksgiving? Me and I think my dad's going. I was just about asking, Yeah, after this trip we all three side of than my dad's probably go to Ireland. It does too, So your dad's took as like a shine to younger

Dwyer. Yeah. And Dwyer says that Kansons drink harder than Irish people. Wow, he said he could not keep up with us. Is your dad of a passport? Uh? Probably not. He could probably get one. He works to the post office. Don't they give you a pass I wasn't insinuating he couldn't get one yet. I don't know either way. I can see your dad just being like, I'm only I will only travel to the drinking countries. He's somehow on a no fly list. Somehow they've seen too

many of Dan's videos. Let's keep it there. He hates going beyond like ten minutes outside of Shawnee, Kansas. So the idea of him in Ireland just sounds amazing me. So, yeah, it should be. That's three Drew, I heard you talking about pop maybe Yeah, I don't know. I wasn't want to go to Ireland. I figure that's the way to do it. Yep, yep, but yeah, yeah, we had a great time, cool, excellent. Are we gonna be hearing from from Danny? We were? We're gonna get his version of events. Oh yeah, we

have the same versions. He has stories that I was not mentally present for so bodily, for up spros and for mentally more h yeah. Yeah. So we recorded some stuff while we're out there, some drunken taxi rides and him and my dad talking like Irish history. Uh yeah, so that'll be going up probably ten a week or so. He's cutting it now. Goodness. Will that be a premium Jim bomb. Yeah, it'll be a one off premium thing. We'll put it on giant bomb dot com. Doesn't sound

like premium content. I certainly did he say your house? Uh yeah, my mom's and my dad. We went back and forth. My dad's washed filled house where we slept on couches in the floor, and then my mom's very nice houseps. Yeah, yeah, two very different places. So wait, we're not talking about white Anglo Saxon Protestants, right, We're talking at wasps. Okay, okay, don't hang on. Why why is this house

infested by wasps? This time he goes out to smoke a lot, like he smokes like chance, smokes throughout the day and just sits on the porch, plays World Words with friends and smokes, and I guess washed like made a nest right near the door. So every time he goes up to smoke, I think more washed came in. They're like, there's just watched corpses and washed. It's probably over. It's probably sagerating a little bit. It's not just we're in singing us in our sleep. It's just too many wasps

to be inside a house. Did get Did you get stung? I feel like it one is too many wash to be inside the house. So I've never been stung by being, never been stung by wash, warn anything, don't Yeah, I don't recommend it. Is it worse than like I always

assumed it was like a shringe, like getting a shot. So I'm kind of allergic, not like deathly allergic, but kind of I got stung by a wasp the size of my shoulder when I landed on it was Why is there a wasp the size of your should I was in Virginia, okay, and the growing big down there. Sure there wasn't just a guy with a hypodermic me. It was a giant, giant freaking washp landed on my shoulder. That's how they get you hooked on drugs. Yeah, they stab you

with heroin. Hey, you want to buy some more of this? Yes, it was big, and it's the entire this entire section of my shoulder just swoll up and I couldn't move my arm for like a day. It hurts so goddamn bad. So don't do that. I got stung in the hand, Yeah it was pleasant. It stings like a needle does not, Okay, like it lasts for a while after. Oh yeah, there's like venom in that ship. Yellow jacket a wasp. I think it's a kind of wasp. Yellow jacket is yellow sick? Is it different? Yeah?

And the hornet is not a wasp. Hornet is also different. They're they're different. I don't think they're Washenus species. May Kingdom file them which one can fill up. Which ones die when they sting you? Most of them anything that will not They all they all come from the genus of stingy assholes. Yeah, so who made it's like a double like it works? Oh, you were sitting in my hot seat on the plane. I hadn't taken a shower in a lot anyway. Fuck wasps? Yes? Is that is

that a position that everyone here can get behind? I think so absolutely. If you've been stung by one. The only consolation when when something when something stings you, is that you know died in the process. So sometimes, don't I think wasps they can pull out most a lot of them die, a lot of them use the rhythms. They're highly they're highly evolved for that way. You ever had you ever had a wasp get inside your shirt?

Oh? No, I have got my brother's pain. So that's where the wasp mechanism of multiple stings comes in really handy for the wasp when it's in an enclosed space on your body and it could just go to town. Yep, you can just sting until it's done. It's a lot of fun. So when Danny was staying over, he was seeing an early riser like when I always hate staying over somebody's hass top of the morning. You're going with

this racist fucking just downstairs and top hatch, just like cooking. I was looking for the rainbow, you know, like I hate staying over somebody's house and you're the first one up and then you just kind of like anything without them, Yeah, just hang out in the bathroom for a while. I don't know. No, it was. It was absolute chaos as far as the sleeping stuff goes. Would be up in like Thanksgiving night, we were

up till five in the morning. Uh. He can tell you that he woke up one morning on my dad's floor to my dad watching Space porn, Space, porn, porn setting space. That's kind He woke up and had no idea what the hell like zero G then what's going on? Like early morning Space? I saw a little bit. I think it was just some folks on a spaceship having a good time. And that's so softcore. I think my dad was doing it like as a prank or a funny thing,

and Danny will Cups like playing. Yeah, but no, it was chaos. Would sleep like five hours during the day. We were up all night most nights. Uh. Yeah, we were just incredibly hung over the entire time, so late rising most of the time. So you went out like Black Friday shopping and stuff. I took him to Walmart, YEP, I took him to Walmart and to Target. He bought an America jacket at Walmart. How was it described? Described the scene? Well, okay, did

you trample anyone? Yeah? No, it was stupid this year. So Walmart did a thing where it's like we stupid. I didn't get to trample anybody. I just walked right into something on the she paid for the hell pointless. No, they would have like at seven o'clock, here's Black Friday at number one. At nine o'clock, here's another one, and like they all had different deals and stuff, which I guess is to kind of dilute the crowd flow or whatever. So yeah, it actually it was like more

dead than the usual day at Walmart. But I just wanted to show him how great of an experienced Walmart is. Yeah, and he's never been He've never been to a Walmart. And like they're on like every damn corner in Kansas, and it's just that's where everyone goes to get anything. A lot of space done out there. Yeah, for Walmarts. He was shocked at

the size of it. When me and my sister were saying, like, okay, we'll split up and then we'll text each other to find each other when we get back, He's like, like, how big is this place? Yeah? Yeah, but no, I had a good time. He didn't know who Larry the cable guy was. When they saw the cable guy merchandise at Walmart. He was like, who is this guy? And I had wait, Larry cable guy merchandise of Walmart. They like, who could

have? Possibly? Guess like merchandise. They had boxer shorts. They had a gummy but no they Duck Dynasty gummy bears, got gummy ducks, be ducks. They had a lot of John's. No, John c has got the exclusive Kmart thing. That's right, of course. Yeah, which Camart is like trashy Walmart yep, I don't know if you guys have Camart. Yeah that sounds ridiculous, but it's actually true. Yeah, Like I don't like Kmart. I think Kmart was before Walmart. It was it was,

Yeah, yeah, Walmart some respect. Mart's falling on some hard time because of the companies like Walmart, driving these mom and pop business like missus k what you hear about it came in Ford to pay rosy o'donald to show their stuff anymore. I started getting weird about when stores started carrying food, and like I've gone into them once or twice in my life. A they are

the most brightly lit stores from the planet. I mean they have like they're like supermarket and dentists and like you know, they have optometrists and it's like anything that you could live in there. And there was no ways McDonald like inside the water, like literal subways to get you from one went. So my grandparents moved to Oregon. When I got into junior high and I went up there and and Klamath Falls, there was a store called fred Meyer.

Oh yeah yeah, and that was it was the first time I've never seen one sense. I mean, I don't know if it's the same thing as Meyer, is fred Meyer the same as thing as Meyer? Is that different? I don't know. I think maybe they're different. It's also like a

regional. Yeah, so I went, I went into a fred Meyer and it was like that where it was like it was the size of the fucking nine football fields and it was this huge store full of all the dumb electronics and all this other stuff, and I was like, wow, this is amazing. I can get this Anthrax album, which I literally bought an Anthrax out in there. And also then they had a supermarket section. It was just like this into the store's crazy and I just thought I would never trust

the food from that place. And that's when when when I saw a Walmart for the first time and it had food, I was like, that can't be good. It's a Walmart supercenter or a super Target. They have the grocery store attached most targets well, so they recently opened it a Target and Pedaluma and we're very happy with it except for the traffic. And it has

food, but they don't call it a super Target. It's just it's just it's just a play food pantry stuff or they they got a frozen section and frous and style like it's it's you know, you know, I would still probably rather go to a Safeway or something like that, but you know, you could still can do it. I have I have a city Target five minutes for me. Now City, I don't know it's Target, It's Target I guess it's probably smaller. They don't have case adas because they don't have

the machine. Is it underneath that Best buy it? Sext to it. There's one there. Yeah, there's a there's a target in Queens, but it's in a mall. It's the only target I've ever seen that was like in a showing. They put one in the metro on here too, and they don't call it a city target though. They just call it a target

the one night I go to Anyone. Oregon also has a store called Big r which is basically Walmart but for farmers, just for like it's you walk in there, it's just like saddles and the ten gallon hats and shotguns and feed yet awesome. Yeah I try. I tried to go buy like like I want to skipped bow and arrow bolts, like yeah, like farmers, Yeah you know farm tarannosaurs or whatever the farmer that's like, Yeah, I bought one of those like uh, black and red flannel hats with the ear

covering las. Yeah great. They recommended Welcome to the giant big box cast. I didn't buy shot guns. I didn't buy anything. I bought it. I bought a we you for a controller for ten bucks off. That was my Black Friday story. Got a blue Duel Shock four for twenty bucks off. How could you buy another one of those in good conscience until they put a better batteries I love. I love the control or just the battery life. The batteries not my problem. I have the thing with the analog

stick where the rubber is running off, coming apart. Yeah, cheap ass piece of shit I feel I had never had. You should sit closer to TV. That's my advice, an option. I have one USB cable that I'm using the charge the controller and occasionally the that wireless headset, and it's been fine. My Xbox one with double A batteries, pretty good chargeable batteries and had richargeable batteries like that's yeah, that was too whatever, it's fine.

Half think of the think of the strain on your wrists. It's an Xbox. It's supposed to be heavy. That's fair. Everything is heavy. That's why the Duke was the size it was to eventually just have this scaling down makes sense over time. I tried to go out on Black Friday. I tried to go out Thursday night. My girlfriend and I we woke up at ten forty five. We're like, Okay, we're gonna hit this mall. We're gonna get this mall at menu and and make it happen. You

can't. Yeah, pm pem, We're gonna get to this malle for the for the midnight uh. And it was so fucking foggy outside. We got to the gas station and was like, all right, I don't want to drive half an hour of this mall. We're gonna end up dead. And also I just don't care. So yeah, we gave up. Didn't get you the retail probably would exactly. Yeah, No, were you going to buy stuff or just to like witness? I mean, I had no, I have no idea. I was just I was along for the ride at

that point. I was like, yeah, fuck it, I don't know, let's go see what's going on. So we didn't have like a TV in mind. It's like, oh, that's five hundred dollars. No, No, we didn't. We didn't have vehicles that were like big enough for the TVs that I want to get. And I am in the market for a TV, but how big up a TV I want to get? Like at least sixty inches whoa, that's I ended up getting sixty when I bought one on Black Friday last year. I just got it from online. It

beast By. Yeah. I had only meant to get like fifty, like I had a thirty seven, and I was like, well, I should at least go up a little bit side it's been eight years since. And then you go online just the deals are like i'd said, a budgets I'm gonna spend about and our bucks. There's like seven fifties sixty inches Okay. I didn't even I didn't even measure. I was like, I'll worry about it once the TV show. Yeah. I spent like an hour trying to

convince my girlfriend. There was like a Samsung like sixty inch smart TV. There was like seven hundred bucks as a Black Friday deal. I was like, we do not need a new television, but we should totally get this television, and she just she just wouldn't budge. I didn't want to spend seven hundred dollars of my own I wanted it to be a there. There was like was a point where I was looking on like Amazon or something in like curved TVs were a reasonable price, and I was like that'd be a

really dumb fucking thing to buy. That's buy curve TV because that sucks. And I almost talked myself into it with that exact logic. And I want to know. This is crazy. I forget how much it was, but I didn't know this. We're out yeah, out yeah yeah, but we're out there and get some four K screens and will not watch anything in that resolution. We should get a curve TV. Let's see how it breaks. Yeah, did it break? Throw it like a boomerang. I'm confident that

you could break curve TV. I could break a non curve TV. I'm pretty sure of it. I think I've done it, so I've heard I'll do it again. Okay, I'm not gonna stop. I think there's video footage, all right, before we get into the real business, Finny. Yeah, we get a house update. Oh really on a daily basis. I'll just give you. I'll give you the last twenty four hours, all right, okay, okay, So on Saturday, my wife and I moved half of our storage. We have two storage units, a big one and

small one. We'll call it pop a storage unit and baby storage. And we moved baby storage unit and a little pop up store storage unit into the house. Right, hired moves to do. This is Saturday after Thanksgiving, and the plan was load everything up into the house and then Sunday. I'm basically I'm gonna stay the night and I'm gonna I'm gonna jump on my plane and I'm gonna go. And this is the first this will be the first night I stayed in. Now, okay, the heat was on. Everything

was on. Uh, my wife and our two kids, we're gonna stay at their mother in laws. Right, no stove, the kitchen's not done yet, nothing nothing to cook on. So I'm there. I'm super stressed out because like I was painting a wall in the basement because the wall the basement weeps water, which is a great way to describe it, weeping walls, so like water comes in. Like, are You'm sure the house isn't haunted? No? Okay, no, are you sure? Are you sure

you're not attending Hogwarts? No? No, no, Jersey hard. So like I'm downstairs the house sad. Maybe it should be happy. Now it's gonna so like I'm painting and wall with like that kind of could be bullshit dry lock stuff that you know, like this supposed a little lock and water. Anyway, I need to do it before the washing and dryer get there

because then I can't get behind it. So I'm doing this corner on the wall, and all of a sudden, I hear all right, back up about an hour or two before I took a massive dump in the house. Okay, that will fast forward back. Okay, So I hear this, Uh, everybody's going out of that field, like you know, it was the first one, you say, fristening the house. Yeah, yeah, a little door on the bathroom, Yeah, just on the toilet. Just I'm gonna make this go for as long as possible. Is happening. This

is happening in real time. It's a pertetual motion. So I'm downstairs on painting and I hear, uh this like tippity tap tap tap tap, Right, what the fuck is that? And I walk over to the other side of the basement and there's water dripping down into the basement. I like this, and I like drips on my hand and it's not water, it's raw sewage. So I go upstairs to the new bathroom that we're putting in and there's just a pipe with sewage coming out into the now. Granted this is

like ten o'clock at night. You know, I'm there alone and there's sewage is going in behind the dry wall, right, just going yeah, I can expose pipe. Yeah, well, like it's where the bathroom sink is gonna go, right, But they didn't plug it, so it's just just leaking sewage out into this new wall they had just put up, like a plane machine pulled on the level. Well, it wasn't like sludge. It was like it was you know, yeah, when you say sewage, I

mean it's that the literal definition of sewage. Is that just straight up poop? Or is that like it's water? It is as if you flush the toilet and somebody on the other end had a cup and caught it, and it's like it's like it's like ground up like toilet paper in our life. Oh gross. Yeah, So it's a whole milliew of just think about everything you've ever flushed down a toilet. Now now coming back up, Yeah,

did you recognize your poop? Mine? I didn't know. I didn't spend too much time with it, Like I kind of immediately gone on the phone. Uh was ten o'clock at night, this oclock. When I called the contract, actually my wife called the contract because I'm a baby. I was like, poop, it's shooting ship coming into it. It's on our walls.

And it's because I just set up, uh in the basement like a router, and like I bought this too big, like fucking cage to put my router in, because that the whole house wide with network stuff, and it's now full of like sewage, right, And I'm like, there's there's poop all by round and and she's I'll call the contractor. Don't call the contractor. And the contractor comes over and he looks at it and he's like, yeah, yeah, there's there's probably got Oh, you've got a good

eye, that yours. That's a good contract. That's a fine bouquet. And then so he sees it, and then he's like, okay, there must be a stoppage somewhere after the new pipes, of course, but you know, somewhere else, uh, And he puts a plug on the pipe and we're like flushing some of the other toilets because you can kind of there's a drain. You can see the water go out, and we're trying to

figure out whether the stoppage is if we have to call the plumber. So we do that, and we're like we're kind of wrapping up, and I'm like, okay, it's you know, there's a plug on the pipe. Are ready to go now it's about like eleven o'clock at night, stopping pat or done anything. Uh, And he's like, all right, let me just go tighten up that plug before we leave, so that you guys are

all, okay, nothing's gonna leak while you're not here. Fucking a. He goes to tighten it, the big bursts off and sewage just fucking ray projectile sewage all over him and just start blowing onto the floor. It's like a little rascals and he's just like shit, shit shit shit fuck shuck. And I'm just like, oh my god, she's standing there being like she's turned around and run down immediately it's just like pooling on the floor like I'm

throwing paper towels on it. The floor finished at this point, yeah, new floors are that God. And then I run downstairs and now there's a bunch of sewage and actually tripped the breaker on all that. So how was the router at the point it's covered in fucking shit, so like it's my shitty internet. So it's just it's that was covered and then there's poop on the floor and he, you know, God bless him, he's sitting there just trying to clean it up and like spraying it with anything that says it

has bleaching it, right, just like trying to kill it. And so that that's that was my yesterday. And she just sorry then. So so once we capped it and we're like, don't use any want don't you know everything had drained out of the pipe at that point, and that this morning the plumber came and fix the problem. Is that the state in which you left the house, Yes, this was this thing in place, like eight hours before you had to be on a flight in the contractor proceed to beat

the plumber senseless after, you know. It's so that's you know, I don't think so, but like he didn't well within his rights. So look I don't understand things period, because it's like put the new pipes in, right, So is he responsible to test the whole system? Yes, and the existing syce So I don't I don't know. Do you just test what you put in? You test everything because you have been tesked with this job

of making sure that all the ship goes to the right place. I would think, well, so the so the toilet's all flushed and nothing back to I don't know, I don't know. There was also this, very quickly, this other thing where we had to get the gas turned on in the house, and granted the gas had been off for like six months, but that the plumber had tested all his new lines, and then the gas company was like, before we turn this on, you need to test tie the

whole system together. Uh, and we need to make sure this works. And plumbers like whatever, like all the new stuff's good, and the contractors like, do you want to test it? Was like, do we have a choice? He's like, no, not really, you should test it. And basically what they do is they pump air through it and they have a gauge and the gauge needs to stay at fifteen pounds for square inch for

like twenty four hours. Right, that means there's no leaks. They test the old system and it immediately went to zeal which means that there would just have been gas leaking into the house if you hadn't. I'm learning a lot so is this a new house like you buy know it's a it's a house that was basically condemned that we are restoring. So if you're restoring house, are buying a new one? Like what comes included? Like you have to buy the pipes and the toilets and like what or is it just the wood

that you're buying in the land what you're doing? Would you buy the house the house comes with it stuff? But let's say you're building a house, like you pay I'm paying one hundred thousand dollars to build a house and you're just the wood. I'm talking. Are you buying this in the under of Canada? The materials prices they're not going to be that much low. I don't know, you'll get to like aluminum shanty that you lean up against. Well, okay whatever a normal normal person house is now? Yes, Like,

so you pay, you pay sticker price. Is it just the wood and the floors and the steps and the ceiling and then you have to buy the toilets and the refrigerators. And so I've bought a house that was not condemned. Okay, when I bought my house and it is now, it

is now, but it should be. But we're getting there. And basically you have to do a lot of stuff up front, like you have to do a pest inspection and like so the existing homeowner will often do most of the inspections and pay for it. Yeah, and they will then present it and say like, you know, here's the status of the house. But you at some point have to go, do I trust these people who probably went to the cheapest people in the world to get these inspections done. Who

knows what they did. I'm going to bring in my own people and have them inspect it because they work for me, not the sellers. Yeah. So it's like you I get to have someone come in there kick the tires to go like all right, this actually passes our pest inspection too, it doesn't seem like it's on fire, okay. Uh. And so you have to do like I did that before I bought the house. It's like a

significant investment. So it's one of th things like you if you go the distance on a lot of houses and put in a bid and then get rejected, like you might be paying for a dozen different pest inspections on a dozen different places. Align in the way were talking it's like if you want to bucks the pop, I don't know. So we didn't have to do any of that. Yeah, because it was you already knew it was bad. Well, we already knew it was bad. It was also just a transfer

for because Jesse's dad owned the house. It was a transfer, so we didn't even have to have insurance on the house because like it was just basically which was probably a mistake, you know, so we even yeah, so like but so for us, we basically they tore down pipe down the house. I told Jesse it was like, we need to get in church right away. Uh. They toren down the house basically to the frame. So we have had to pick every every outlet, every light switch, every is

all align item. So you are you're going to home depot and getting all the st you could, or you can just ask the contract or be like, I don't care what light switches you put in, every socket, every outlet, every you know, door knob, floor in. All that stuff's gonna come from somewhere. But you're kind of looking at locations you like, I want outlets here. I was here. Yeah that's kind of cool.

Yeah, so I was able to like I was like we're putting like Cat six in all the rooms, and like you said that you had wired and stuff everywhere. That's yeah, and so that's cool and yeah, well we did that hot twenty fourteen technology CAT six. So like I think CAT six, you know, you gotta pull the trigar at some point, right, Yeah, So CAT six could be all right. For a while, I was saying, well, what else would you put in eight, two,

eleven ac? Oh? Whatever, that's extensive. So I also have wireless access points that are so this CAT six that runs to the access points uh ass points? Access points? How big is this fucking house like tiny were doing. I don't know, because if you're gonna do it, yeah, you're gonna have the walls. Yeah yeah, yeah, I guess yeah, if you billing it to your speck right like not some like my ass was built in the seventies and I look at the like the bathroom it's got two

sinks, one set outlets. Who the fuck did that? Well, it's two floors. They just was like, we'll pull it on the first of all and one yeah. So like anyway, yeah, and that it becomes exhausting. At some point I had to pick out the toilet's the toilet paper holder. You know everything, But did they give you like a catalog and

you just point at what you want? Or do you have to go to a store If you want to pay like eight thousand dollars for a toilet paper holder, you could do it. If you want to go to home depot

and just pick one out of a bin, you could tell. But they'll give you like a brochure and you can just pick it out and there's no they It's like you have the contractor to do whatever work you assign them, like you if you know, Like so it's like, oh, well, I want someone to come in and like, so I have a chandelier in what is supposed to be the dining room but it is now actually full of arcade machines, and the chandelier fucking sucks. It's a piece of shit.

It's just it's garbage. So I'm I have a contractor guy that I know. I'm gonna say, like, look like, I'm not handy with this ship. You want me to go put it a light, I will kill myself. So I'm gonna tell tell this guy, like, okay, I want to get this light in this spot. He'll go okay, cool, he will go to home depot and buy it, or I could order it

and have it shipped like whatever. But I can say, here's the thing, put it in it is basically what I'm doing is basically saying, like, as a homeowner, I am giving up my rights as a homeowner to do this work myself and say, look, man, just this this towel ring fell out of the wall and now there's a hole in the wall. And fuck man, I'm not going to patch the wall. Just patch the wall and put this thing in there. And planners, oh yeah, you

can be lazy if you want to be sure. They're like they're wedding planners, right, Like you can be hands on or as hands off as you want to go. Most of the time you want someone to just need that, and like, I don't know. The difference with building a home is that there are laws and regulations about what what legally you need to have in there, So at some point everything needs to be up to code and not

dangerous, so it sure that sort of stuff. So like if you do it yourself, you still have to get it like certified and inspected and all this other stuff, and they'll probably be really bummed out that you did it yourself, because you're denying a union man a job, and no one likes

that. I guess. So, yeah, like I could go in there and wire the whole thing, but it saw the past inspection and like I don't know the codes or whatever, but like the yeah, everything has to be done to code, which can become a pain in the butt itself. And you know, it is a lot of we're exhausted having to pick everything out. Right. I bought my toilet on Amazon, right, I just want to like, what toilet has the best reviews? The ship a toilet

to you? Totally? Did you get a cool Japanese toilet with buttons? No? Come on, man, what are you doing? Running out of money? I'm doing it's a bucket. Maybe somebody can explain this to me, because people have tried to explain this to me my entire adult life. How toilet works. It's weird. Yeah, no, you it's weird all right on the video's floor. Apparently in Layman's terms, as simple as possible. What the fuck is a mortgage? The closest I don't understand what it

is? Really? Somebody told me that it's like, have you ever. Have you ever gotten alone for anything? You've got thirty seconds explain this. It is a homeland, so you don't. So the bank is paying for the house that you are getting a loan from the bank. They are paying so so they're giving me when I bought my house, They're not giving me

a check. They're giving a check to the person who's selling. The bank pays the home people, yes, and and then I pay the bank monthly and the bank but the house and the bank technically owns the house until I pay it off. Imagine that you're paying rent to your bank and after like thirty years, you own the house. You can just do cash though, right, and then you just own it. You don't have to have any

banks involved or if you have, ye totally. If you have, if you have that kind of cash on let me tell you a little bit about San Francisco. You did not have that kind of cash on him. No, no, no, I just don't understand who's paying who. It is just a loan. It's just and you have to get approved for this stuff for so because it's so much money. I don't understand what credit scores are.

And that's another thing. But so that's you should have a credit card and be building up if you unless you want to go off the grid and live like jesse Ventura. There are two ways you can go with this there, Look, there are two ways you can go with your life, Dan, and one involves me being jesse Ventura. One involves you being off the grid, jesse Ventura style and paying cash for everything for the rest of your

life like some kind of goddamn fiend. The other one involves getting into the system, getting this chip put in the back of your stone, and getting a goddamn credit card and paying it off. Isn't it infinitely easier to just rent apartments for the rest of your life? Well, that helps, That's what I have no plans to do anything about that. So here's the difference, And you may be right. In some cities it actually is more cost efficient to rent. But you when you have a mortgage, you are putting

money. You're essentially getting equity in that I can sell that house. He can sell this house, recoup all the rent he has paid over the years, possibly make more. Yeah yeah, yea. Ideally the property value will increase. Right, So I bought my house right before all the prices went to shit when the economy went bad. Oh eight, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well it was it was like oh seven when I bought the place, so it was just about had peeked and then went to ship.

So I paid a significant goddamn amount of money for my house and then overnight I got a mortga okay, and overnight half of its value was gone. But I am still on the hook for the full amount. It's not like when the house goes, you know, down in half. I get a sudden they only pay off half because my loan was for X amount of dollars. Then eventually you can go So here here's what re mortgaging. Refinancing your loan is some other company or sometimes even the same company, because it's

a fucking insane racket. We'll say, hey, your loan that you got years ago, the terms of it, you could do better now. You could get a lower interest rate on the loan, so you'd be paying less money on top. Or basically, someone will come along and say we'll give you a better loan. So we'll give you a loan to pay off your old loan, and then you pay us back that loan. This sounds terrible,

it is. So if people do this well because you get a lower rate when you're refining why people do this whole, so we're not refining to get to a house and put access points into the reality is very few people can afford to pay the entirety of the cost of the house up front. So it is like a Tomnok situation. It is, and and it's the people who can pay it every month. Like it's not like tom knock or

it's like we won't upgrade your house until you pay it off. It's like if you don't, if you don't pay this payment every month, eventually we're gonna come take you out of that house. Even even if you had the money to buy the house, it's still smarter to financial mortgage at a lower interest rate than what you could be making in hosting the money. So then

you invest the money and pay the mortgage as usual. Yes, the interest rates are usually not such that you would want to take hundreds of thousands of dollars and just pay out right, right, you can take that money, get a return on that for a higher interest rate than you So if I wanted to someday, let's say I don't want to live where I live anymore, I want to go somewhere else, I want to buy another house, or I want to rent or something like that. I own that home.

I could rent it out, but the bank owns it, right And he said, well, if if I pay off the market, or if or even if I'm in the process of so, I could rent out my home right now for more than what my monthly payment on that lap. No. No, I could rent it out permanently. I could move all. You could also and rent it to someone like you who wants to rent a house okay, and doesn't want to buy a house. Okay. I could be

gone. I could be a slum lord okay. And they could do things like the heat doesn't work and I go fuck you and paying up the phone. You could make an argument that you're already all or yeah, no whatever. That place is fine. No, it's it's a bran new dishwasher. It's looking good in there. Someday. Mortgages are weird. I'm not gonna ever get mortgages is weird? You are, No, there's no chance in hell. Well, I see. The thing is like, if you're paying

rent on an apartment, it's just going to another dude. It's just going off. It's going to me and I'm spending it on fucking Brita. But I don't have to do anything. I just get the right a check once a month and then just go one day. One day, you wake up in your seventy and you have nothing to your name, but also but also happiness. But but they can also that guy, they know where to live. The guy's charging rent. Can't monetize that right, you can't buy it.

You can kick you out or raise your rent like you have no agency. Really, there's another place. Wow, Sometimes it's not that easy,

you know. Like then sometimes you know if you're in a place for a long time, like there was a there was an issue in New York for a long time with people who had been in apartments for many, many years and they were rent controlled, and that means that the price was well below market value for whatever the property was, and and landlords started kicking these fairly elderly people trying to get them evicted from those apartments because they knew they could

charge like many or five times what they were already charging. That's happening here and under the Ellis Act in an epidemic fashion, like it's everywhere, Like there's no guarantee with a rented property that you can stay there forever. Right, they will find like landlords will find ways to to fuck you over if they think they can make more money, go to another apartment, because that's that's an option if, like yourself, you're gainfully employed. Yes, but

I'm not. And I'm saying, like I have a job, and like, why don't what if if you don't want an apartment? I do, though, Well, like what if you want what if you want so? What if you don't want shared walls? What if you want to play Rockman real fucking loud. That's the problem I ran into. I'm finally walls. I've always had shared walls. It's never been a problem once in my life. You should try not having shared walls some time. It'll blow your mind.

Have you guys, Have you guys seen this reverse mortgage thing that the Fawns is peddling to old people? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Two the two people I've seen hawking this thing or the Fawns and Fred Thompson. The only every time those ads come on it so candidate alumni. But it always starts, and it always starts off if you're over the age of sixty two. But it sounds like you're basically like selling your equity in the house back to the exact Yeah, and they and they're giving you

a little extra money along the way so you can Yeah. So basically, yes, that is exactly. But then at the end of the pitch, they're always like, the best part is you still own your house. Yeah, so you can get like a yeah, I'm not sure how that part.

Basically you could go get like a line of credit on based on your equity, you go get a loan, but basically using your home as collateral without that too, if you own enough of it, there's there are a lot of weird options you can get into if that's the sort of stuff you want to do. But yeah, that I don't know any any kind of financial stuff that's offered on late night TV. Buy the Fonds and maybe it seems like sort of a shell game. Yes with you, uh, and

I like the Fonds. Who doesn't know he's great on Children's Hospital. Yeah, what is this podcast? I don't know. Welcome to the Giant House the House cast. But it doesn't matter because property values have gotten such that no one's ever going to buy a home ever again. So uh, it's a fucking nightmare around here. Now, Dan, I'm with you. I'm

still renning an apartment. It's still enjoying the lack of responsibilities. Never never say that, say so, after all, after all was said and done, after my most recent moves and all that other stuff with the you know, I got deep in the finance game, kid, I am paying less for that place than I was when I was renting. Huh, and it was actually like a better like I am, I am saving money and I'm

a house and exactly I'm owning that thing. Theoretically, at the end of this, no one can come in and say those pinball machines can no longer be in this house. I at one point said, then no one else can say that to you. That's true. That's true. I saw my world comment machine guy came down from Nebraska and bought four hundred and thirty bucks. What do you think. Yeah, that's very good. It's gonna bum right joystick. Joysticks are like four bucks. It's okay. He feel like

it was gonna be more so I cut off twenty bucks. But sorry, yeah, that's I bought it. Yeah, whatever, it's Yeah, then if the monitor is in good shape house, Yeah, exactly, you can live in a Mortal combat machine. Actually, I think owning an arcade machine is probably more burdensome than owning a house. Really, So I traded machine has a bum monitor on it currently, but the pinball machine didn't work at all, so at least this one makes noise. You can replace it with

another c r T or go to like Elsie. It needs a part, so the monitor actually talk to you still know that guy who can get you the parts. Yeah, that's how I got the main. Vinny, that story sounds like an actual nightmare, you know. It's thanks for the updated Yeah, so glad I have so like, yeah, you know, it's really really interesting to see every single bit that goes into the house. Like that part is actually like how many times can you see like where every wire

is running your house and every little bit. But you know, it's like it's a new system, so you turn it on and sh it's weird. But yeah, that part was that that's probably the areothing that happened to me so far with the house. And that is uh, that was like twelve hours ago. Has anything been so ruined that it's gonna have to be replaced drywall or flooring or anything. The house I kind of split, so but I don't think so. As far as the check ins today seemed, no,

it didn't. It pooled a bit, but I think I got cleaned up. So Hey, the nice thing is I could just went in so there's like extra bits here. So if the drywall needs to come down and it comes down, or like the floors need to come up, they just went down a couple of like a week ago, so you replace that stuff. But it's been a really interesting and exhausting process. I'm sure houses are dumb, man. You should do what I did earlier this week, just

living a geodesic dome. Really, Yeah, where'd you find that? So? My girlfriend has this amazing knack for finding the weirdest, most out of the way places on Airbnb. I don't know, but we just decided we want to go into the desert for a few days because it was winter, it would being cold, so that would be a nice time to go. She found this place in Pioneer Town, California, which is a town set. Yeah it was. It was founded by by Roy Roger and I think

Gene Autry as as a film set. It was not actually a town. It was just a film set they built to film movies out there. So the town world, the town is now occupied, like people moved into the old film set buildings and like they're like artists living there and ship. But this so this this how this place was like miles off even from the town and this little weird hippie enclave somewhere in the middle of nowhere. A dome

house. Yeah, haven't y no yurt that I was aware of, but it did have Wi Fi, so yeah, hot side no, I mean we had a wood burning stove, so it would get hot if you you know, burnt would but otherwise it was pretty cold out there, but it was middle of nowhere. It was beautiful. It's yeah, the Ford focus. I was driving down like the roads out there very much. Payot, did you consume the amount that I'm legally allowed to disclose on this this company

podcast. You've got a medicinal card for that, I assume time. Yeah, I disappreciate. Yeah, I've got an elbow thing. They passed that in New York, right, Yeah, Coyote told me to find my soulmate. It was great brand I feel like you want to get this podcast back on track. Gentlemen, we have made it to the first break without significantly all right, I'm looking forward to making it the second break without good for us stuff either. Amazing. I'm gonna tell you about my bathroom and the

water damage. I'm worried to my ask it's coming up next time. All right, all right, yep, let's take a quickne We'll be right back as Let's talk about video games please finally, Yeah, it just seems damp in that bathroom is and I'm worried that there's been water leaking. No, No, the walls are fine. The towel ring that came out, Okay, that's no good. How does that water smell? Fine? Fine? I put a new shower head, just had some some people come through.

And is there any visible mold or mildeer? I don't, I mean you brought it up maybe okay on the walls of the ceiling. Is like a little black spot on the wall that I'm telling myself is fine, paid over it. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what the previous owners may him not. In fact, that always weirds me out that that's like a legitimate fix for mold. Is layers. There were like layers of mold and then paint and then mold and then paint on this wall and yeah, paint doesn't

kill them all. Well maybe not live mold, but like when there's this coloration like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It just crazy. Don't buy a house video, yeah yeah, spend all your money on games. That's right. Build a house with games, live outside under the stars, that's right. You and Jesse Ventura, look at him. He's you. You and Jesse in your games. You'll be fun. That's name my auto back Jesse and my games. Are you gonna? Are you

gonna grow out the like bald mullet? Me? Yeah? Why would I go with? Like he's gotten? Have you seen that thing? I mean, the the back mullet dragon a Dragon ag Inquisition is out? Yeah, yeah, they're speaking of bald bullets. It looked like a gray warden Brand shoemaker. IM gonna have to take that one. There's so many people here. I'm just gonna throw out large games that have been released and let you guys jump on them rather than going around the table. Who's playing Dragon Age?

I just keep trying like hell too, But like the frame rate issues, Like during the cut scenes they were just like completely throwing me out of what platform are you going? PS four? So really, yeah, I'm gonna try it on h FRA. Right, issues are consistent across all the platforms differ. The cut scenes run at a different UH frame rate then the game. Right, like you were explain how the PC vers, So the

PC is weird. There's the game is running at sixty and then when it hits a cut scene, the cut scenes, the animations and the cut scenes run out of thirty, but like all the ambience stuff like snow flakes and everything still at sixty. So I think and it's I think it's trying to push thirty into sixties. So it's even getting like hitier and weirder. It just looks like nonsense during some of the Wow, I actually want to see what that looks like. It's weird. That's really disconcerting. And and the

PS four it's just a little hitchy. It's just odd. It just doesn't it's not consistent in anyway. It's like there'll be big action scenes, but it's just as slow as during like a conversation. Do you guys had the audio completely cut out in combat, like combat audio specifically, Like it seems like you'll go to the menu or something. This is on the Xbox One version, and you'll pop back in and you'll still hear music, but no footsteps, no fight, no fighting, no no shooting, any of that

sort of stuff, Like all just dies. And then sometimes you'll be able to pause it again and it'll come back. The Xbox one version is weird in a few different ways, like, well, we're talking at lunch about some of the weird bugs. Like the one that will happen is you'll be in a conversation and then just the character will deliver his line and it's just specifically stick on him and yeah, it'll stick on him, and it's just staring it yea, and not even not even really like an idle animation or

anything, just sort of staring. Maybe he just really meant what he said. Yeah, And it will not advance. It won't advance. Sometimes it'll just hitch forward. But what I've found, at least on the PS four version, and what's very odd is that I've pressed all the buttons individually. Nothing changes if I press them all together. No, it hits hitches towards

forward. In the conversation. Really and this this has happened maybe twice in twenty five hours, so we're not talking about So I watched that happen consistently over the course of like one quest. It was like every single time it had stopped for dialogue or and it's basically any time it'll stoped for dialogue. Like the game just got in a in a way where every single conversation was fucked. You would make a selection, or sometimes the conversation well wouldn't pop

up because it was just stuck sitting there. Sometimes the skip button would pop up if you hammered on X to eventually skip it. Sometimes it would eventually just pop you back into running around the world. You're just missing dialogue or something just for you dance like your your character will This only happens in the middle of a conversation. I'll start a conversation and then the character will just start like pumping his fists and just like floating and doing a dance above.

I didn't see that doing a dance above above the ground a little bit and clipped a little bit. And then when you finish the conversation, oh, animacing, he's he's like floating, just above the air, so falling animation. Yeah, I had a case where the elf Lady was walking around the world like that, not stepping, just like covering, and it doesn't It doesn't stop until you jump, and if you jump then it clicks out.

Why would you want to stop, don't? I went for I went for like a full five minutes, just running across the hair lands, just falling and dancing. The only bug I've had that was real fun was there was a it was up against a big cliff face, and every time I would turn my party around, a soldier would walk out from the cliff, and then as soon as I turn around, he'd run back and clip through the cliff again. And like every time I turned my back again, he would

slowly walk out and then clip back through him. And eventually I killed him put him out of there. I got him stuck in there. So there's one quest where sometimes the guy who's supposed to kill is like not present or clip through the world or something. You have to just kind of quick open world. I'm just gonna quit and come back and hope that it's different this time. Like, yeah, but I've been enjoying. So I got a

message into my tumbler. I think it's my tumbler saying like like, all right, you know broken games or on everybody's mind right now, that's like the big problem in the industry, and like Assassin's Creed and master Chief for getting all this flak, Like why is nobody complaining about Dragon ages it because everybody likes it and they're just giving it a pass. And also it's well so that's the thing. I mean, some of it sounds I read that

and I was like, is it really that bad? But it sounds like you guys are making it sounds like there's some actual substance to the idea of Yeah, inquisition is kind of I mean, there's some jank. It seems like I've never had to reload or anything I've had, you know, everything is just sort of like, well that's kind of funky. But like the falling animation I've had, I've had a crash. I've had a crash to

dashboard a couple of times, you know, couple think of it. The first time much Fast travel to the Hinterlands, it crashed to the PS four interface. Yeah, yeah, the only thing I've had frame rate hitchiness. But like I don't again I don't. I think it's more that it's it's it's more that the other games are probably a little more popular and widespread, sure, and you know the issues are more gentilitating in that Yeah, well,

especially some of this Dragon Age stuff has been fucking bad. Well yeah, you know, if you're crashing out of the game, that's crashing out of the game, or just like dialogue that want advance or quest that you can't finish until you reboot and hope for the best. Like, you know, it seems to have it's issues, but that game is so sprawling and large that different people are going to run into different issues along the way,

and some people may never run into anything. So it's it's one of those things where you know, it's like we can only report on what we've seen, or you know, if there's something we've heard, we can certainly say like passing, hey we hear it's messed up. I would say, didn you say there's a certain NPC that if you talk to them that like spontaneously changes your gender. Yeah, there's no change your it'll change the voice of

your character. It's it's there's like a known issue. They say they're going to patch. It's in this section called Skyhold, which will make sense if you're that far into the game, and if you talk to them, then yes, apparently sometimes your voice will switch. It does change back. No, and there's no way the game doesn't. You can respect your characters in Dragon Age, but you cannot like recustomize the look of them. That game

has got some very uh all the player animations are deliberately masculine. It's something you don't notice until your plan is a lady and she's sitting in the throne like spread arm out like a right look, tell me, like what the fuck? Which is weird for a game that, like I would say, the majority of the characters are like female, Like it's it's like a I think we're in the main character you're talking about specific like they only map the

That's what I'm That's what I'm saying. It's odd that, you know, for a game in which, like a lot of the NPCs, a lot of the characters they drive the plot are winning. It's a game where when you can tell that they deliberately kind of went out of their way to address a lot of stuff that you know that a lot of other games don't, like, you know, there's a trans character and they get into that.

Yeah, but like in this one specific case, you're like, come on, just these animations specifically, like you could I mean, hey, she might sit like that. I don't know, but come on, come on, they could have done better with that. Yeah, I'm enjoying the only thing. I'm pretty early on the combat seems and maybe I'm I was talking to you guys before. Maybe it's just that the game is I'm playing on

normal, man, it's playing on harder. Just doesn't seem very tactical yet, right, They're just kind of holding down, Retrick, I'm playing a maide. You're managing cool downs, Yeah, managing cool downs. And like, I'm not switching the characters. I'm not micromanaging. And I feel like

in the combat that I've played, i've been playing as similar. Also, it's just like, yeah, I only hold down whatever, I only switch characters in that tutorial bit in the opening where they tell you should try switching characters and then I did it. I just have not done it since then. But also, Vinny, we had this conversation at lunch, but you need to leave. I'm just I'm cleaning. I'm momping up don't do it, because don't do it literally unbalanced the game. Those people need my help.

Why would I bend the there can't you go back there? You can go back there eventually. I don't know what this is going to happen, because if you, if you did, a dragon could descend and light those people on fire. Less there is a dragon. There are other zones you get. They also need your help. I don't know. I don't know that yet. Look, no, no one herald should have all that power. You should really move on and find some other stuff to do. Well,

I'm kind of not sure what I'm supposed to be doing it. They kind of just like they were like, oh, our spine network and I'm covered this person in the hinter lands and like we should go talk to them. And on my way there, there's like a billion people with exclamation points being like find my cat. I've got another political problem to solve. Oh this guy's stole my hay and I'm here like I'm part of the inquisition. I guess it's probably my duty to go find your ring and your sword.

And so it's been it's been really interesting being the you know, cop in the Hingeles. But there's tons of stuff to do. I think it's they, like Byoways weirdly had to get in front of this and like issue statements saying like you should really leave this area, like it's a design defect. Like I think they imbalanced the early parts of the game. Uh. I think specifically to how they balanced the normal difficulty level set against how much you

can do in this opening zone. If you do everything in the opening zone that is available to you, you will be like five or six levels over everything for the rest of the game. And yeah, content, Actually I kind of enjoy doing that in some games. I don't know. Yeah,

but yeah, so you should. Also, the other zones are way more The hitche lands are boring, I like, relative to the other zide have you found I mean, is there a similar level of content in all those submis zones all the other zones at least that I've encountered, Like the th

before I've gotten access to. You jump in for about two hours, you explore pretty much everything, accept the stuff like one or two quests or two high level for you, and then you leave and go to the You're saying you do practically everything there is to do there in about two or two and half years, so this this one, Okay, Opening zones the game is not a sequence of hinterlands like zones one after the I'm sure there are probably a couple of them that are that big, but it's like probably it seems

like a handful of those scattered amongst like a bunch of like smaller ones with extremely very like one is set in a swamp kind of Louisiana looking area with a storm raging the entire time. Another one is this really mountainous area in which you have this incredible moment where like there's just a dragon and a giant just fighting off to the right. Clearly not supposed to go over there, but you're just like scaling this mountain at these like enormous creatures or just having

this epic battle next to you. And like the other zones are way more interesting than the hinterlands, and like the story and the plots that kind of play out there are are worth seeing as opposed to just but I'm see you're not gonna do it. I don't believe I'll do it. I'll do it because I'm starting to get a little board kind of running around. Yeah,

and it definitely like you hit those moments. Like I was in the hinterlands for like hours hours just chasing down all these quests and I go talk to somebody and they're like, oh, good thing, you're here, Like let me introduce you to to Bill and Ed and like I have taken all these quests from them already and it's still giving me like tutorial stuff after about like

five hours of doing all these quests in the surrounding neighborhoods. Like you should go see Samantha and be like, Samantha's done, man, Like she's got She's like queen up. She's good, She's good. I took care of I've raised her up to her lineage is, you know, seated, Like you should talk to her because she's a peasant and she needs help. Remember that time that you cleared out the entire Nemesis system and mortor before you had

done any story missions. You know, sometimes they just need to point you a little bit, like don't do this. It's like, got it, You've got a sickness. Man. Well, I think that's what I think dragon age makes. I think it's a design flaw. I think they need to at some point and say, hey, like you actually have to go check out these other zones because there's an act. There is actually no reason. The only reason I did was because someone messaged me when I was talking

about it, was like, hey, you should probably leave. The game doesn't point you out. So I've got questioned two or three other areas I think like the fallon Marsh is one of them, and forget what the other ones are called, like even storm Coasts. Yes, I've got the like I've never been there. I don't know where those objectives came from, but you should go there because you are going to get more characters there. And

I go there. Yes, once you send someone so on the the in the war Counsole, when you send out like one of your three agents like that can go unlock those areas. Once they've done their mission there, then you can travel. So I did all of the available ones of those on

and you can travel to those places. Okay, yeah, so like you'll see that, like some of the marks on your map will say like they'll just be cleared off like you just it be completed, and then other places will say this area is like you know now unlocked, you can explore here. Let me ask you this. When you get to the point in the Henterlins and the story where the objective is just like get enough power to go to val Royo, Like is that are you done? Once? They're pretty

much like if you're once, you're hitting the power levels. Unlike the next thing, you're roughly the level that you should go. OK, And also the main story stuff would advise you on what level you should be that So what we're saying is when I get enough power to move on, I should move on. You should think about it. At least I go check out that area. You can always leave and go back at tip. But yeah,

I really like the world in that game. I didn't replay the Dragon Age, and it's all politics well realize, which I think might turn off some people. But it's literally just class race and like other social politics and ideologies and that stuff all is super interesting. I think, Yeah, I'm in the middle of like you know, it's the primary conflict early on, the fanatical templar slaughtering, the major vice versa. Like that stuff is.

I mean it starts with a like you know, a fantasy terrorist attack right right, and like literally very first thing it's actually hit a start, it goes Yeah, that intro is fantastic, Like it really kicks off literally with a bang. So it's great. Yeah, the game seems cool. Do you watch that loop the guy's marching for Yes, I didn't watch that for a while. It's a nice loop. Yeah, it's a good loop. You know. It's weird. Also, is that on the PS four version

you can't you can't record it? Yeah, when when it's checking for the dragon Age servers or like the oh yeah, it comes up, like you know, with the recording stuff in the PS four at least it'll say like this section is blocked, like you can't record this, and that's only while it's checking for the servers, and then as soon as it connects or doesn't connect to the servers, it says, hey, you can record again. It's just odd. I wonder why they don't want you to record an error.

I guess basically it okay, Yeah, yeah, that hasn't stopped other people from recording other errors. So yeah, and having activisions send out flags for it. Yeah, we talked about that last week Farcry four. Yeah, I am playing through it again. Yeah, I saw you on there. I've been playing a ton of a two. Did you like Farkry three. Yeah, do you want to do more of that? Sure? Dude, we should totally play farky. Okay, remember how remember how you said

The Shadow of Mortor was like a game made for you? Yeah, I feel this is also a game made for you. Really, it is just chock fucking full of distractions. Yeah, there's there's a ton of everywhere, so much side stuff in that game. I almost feel like it's overwhelming, but I feel like it's regimented just well enough that you can tell, like,

all right, this is the next story mission. Sometimes the map gets in such a way that it's it is difficult to actually see, but it's like, you know, there's the secondary level of like, oh, there's convoys coming through to hijack and like hunting missions. There are towers to climb, Oh fantastic radio towers. Yeah, well yes, okay, there are bell towers probably being used for radio. There's there are propaganda posters to tear down. Okay, get a grappling hook. Yeah, you get a grappling

hook and you only use in special areas. You get a wing super can you trip and take fall damage off of like two feet? Like okay, it's a little bit better than that. It is a little bit better than that. I saw a video of someone and co op riding whatever that flying machine is. You can get shooting the grappling hook to the bottom of it, and then just you can fly each other. That's a good idea. Yeah, that's neat. That's like the stuff they promised with mercenaries too.

It's like you'd fly by in a helicopter something that I would grapple hook and shoot underneath it, and it just never really worked out. And you can promised a lot of things and mercenaries to Yeah, well oil Tech, have you guys tried a lot of co op and far cry for because I can do story missions and then is it mainly just open world hunting over and outpost but the outposts necessarily like yeah, story stories. I heard that you can't

do story missions because I'm planning to do that might be true. It would kind of make sense if it did if I mean, not that that's good, but it so yeah, yeah, yeah, you get additional story missions, uh with what was it like the early copies of the game come with like more missions with HRK where you you know, it's like you do stuff.

He's the player too, character you go talk to him. I've only seen her as something the Super Terrible and and you're like, man, they just they really wanted to just make like a Danny McBride character for this, And then that got rolled up the first time and said his spiel and drove off and I went to share and hit save video. So stupid? Is he the guy that's in all the farkright four ads for the DLC with the giant spear gun that just says like, here, look at that dick.

Yeah, basically all right, really, yeah, yeah, that's that's herk Okay, he's he's supposed to be an idiot. I mean it's not, you know, but yeah, I don't know. It comes across I feel like, you know that game. I like it for the same reason that I feel like there's still some residual feelings about how Froccry three stories should have gone for me, where I'm playing it and going like, there's no way this is serious, Like they have to know, right, it's not.

It's not in the same way that Frocry three was. But it's this moment where it's like you're like a twenty four year old kid grew up in the US, so yeah, coming back to you know, the country where you

were born. You moved out of there when you're like three or something like that, no special training that they allude to or anything like that, and all of a sudden, you're like fucking wingsuiting out off the Himalayas and just gunning down tons of fucking people and skinning elephantsigot bullets out of your arm, right, yeah, like like all the shit that you can do as the player character that like you, no one would be able to. Actually the

story. I think the story is really well handled as long as you don't consider like that identity aspect of it, like the unlikely heroes, and I don't I don't mind I like, I don't mind it that much. It's

just it's just crazy. I almost one of those things that like makes me assume that, like none of this has really happened, right, It makes the whole thing seemed like the game will totally work better if you were just like a nameless, silent protagonist with no actual connection to this stuff and you just got embroiled in it, because yeah, it's like, so, why

does everybody pronounce the main character's name differently? Because so he pronounced it is because he was so he I don't know if I'm giving the game too much credit in thinking that it is. In fact, he's American eyes. He is, Okay, so he moved to the US when he was three, okay, with his mom when they escaped the country. So Americans pronounce it a J gale, Right, he will often pronounce it aj gale, but

the Natives pronounce it so at first. Because there's also a couple of like DJ's on the radio, Yeah, that pronounce the names differently, like so like it's pagan men, but like once every two three hours you'll hear somebody say like pagan men or something like that. Yeah, and that really liked video direction. Yeah, that's that's probably just vo direction, but it's it's it's nice if they address the main character's name going back and forth the Yeah,

they don't address it. It's just just left for you to come. Yeah. Do they allude to like what this guy did back in the States or I mean, could he be some bear girls guy or is he just supposed to be some dude that you know, he's just a product of the American education. He just yeah, he doesn't like they don't they had no point and they say like, oh you, by the way, you were especial, especially for here twenty four, but they leave it open to where

he could conceivably be this like super trainer ye would come up. Yeah, So who cares? I think totally who cares, because I think I think games fail at trying to rationalize that part of the player experience and just going the exactly like at no point is that like ruining the game for me? But it's one of those things that like when when I stop and think about it, it reminds me of Far Right three in that way of just like is this whole thing VR, because you know, none of this could be

happening in this person the mysticism stuff in it too, right there? Yeah, this has like you go to Shankra Law in this game, okay, and you have a ghost tiger that you can do. No, no, You're you're kind of like shang Las has seen better days and you're going through there with a spirit knife, a mystical time slowing bow and arrow, and a fucking tiger that you just stick on people and the tiger turns invisible.

Yeah, okay, do you have a name tiger? Do you ever touch like a roast thing on the wall and just go, I want those so that those give you carmon bonuses, those money wheels or whatever are throughout the game is collectible. You never get to actually you never get to like do what you want to do with them. But yes, they are in fact there, all right. I like the rebellion stuff is not bad so far. Like I made my first story choice and like they kind of stick it

to you. Yes, they deliberately make every single story choice fucked. Yeah, Like I had a hard time choosing. I was like, my girlfriend was sitting there. I was like, what do you think I should do? And then when you make your choice the other leader of the rebellion they are. They are really good at making all there's no like here's the good here's a paragon, here's the Redigade, here's the good guys, here's the bad guys. It's just like every decision you make it sort of fucked.

It's kind of it's like you're playing again. Uh so the ending. So there are points in that game where you have a gun trained on someone and you can pull the trigger or not. Okay, I need to see what happens at the end of that game if you don't, okay, because when you do it, just it. I knew. I knew before you said it that you were going to say, I need to know what happens when I don't pull the trigger. Yeah, because I know you, Jeff,

Yeah, you pull the trigger. Considering considering what they did with that, that kind of easter egg, like fifteen minute long, so you're like the you know, fifteen minutes they find the secret second ending that the creative director was talking about another one. He claimed that there is a second secret ending that people haven't it's the fifteen minute thing is is that you're talking about another one. Okay, Yeah, so that's awesome. Yeah, there's a second

one. That's like I think that's what that's like. That's like straight out of Chronic Trigger where it's like like there are multiple points where you could realistically resolve the storyline. So we're just gonna let you do anyway. I think that's awesome. I think I think that's like just really novel and clever and likes a Nister Egg. That's yeah. So the end of the game actually kind of gives away that that ending exists. Well, maybe it's only you

realize in retrospect if you know it exists. But like it's very much like if you've seen the video of like I mean, at the beginning of the game, Like at the very beginning of the game, it's like, hey, wait here, I'll be right back, and the ending is if you wait there for twelve minutes or thirteen minutes or whatever, he comes back and

then the same is never acknowledged then. So so you get to the end of the game and he's like all you had to do is wait there for not listening to us, which is like a funny way to kind of allude to, like, look, you maybe could have done this all this plug shit, yeah, all these ghost tigers, yea, all these ghost tigers. Yeah, that game is just you know, some good, clean, dumb, open world fun totally the way the first or the last one was

like this. So this time I'm going through and doing like way more of the side stuff and you know, trying to unlock the full skill tree because it's like one of tho things where it's like you can't unlock this skill until you've completed two of this side mission type and stuff like that. So I've just been going back through and doing that and just really enjoying it. It's it's a lot of fun. But yeah, it's very similar to farkright three, Like on some level, I feel like I would have been just as

well served by going and playing Park right there. Again, I've thought about doing that actually since they started playing this, like really haven't fun playing it. But I don't like the world as much. Like they divided land masses in the first game with water, or not the first game, but the previous game. Yeah, yeah, like they used water last time to divide

like a lot islands and stuff. In this case it's mountains, and yeah, it's mountains inherently much more annoying to navigate the world because even with like the little helicopters, which generally I think are amazing, Yeah yeah, but those things can't go past certain heights, so you can't even fly over a lot of the mountains. Well, so it's only the mountains that prevent you from getting to the north generally. Oh is that what those are? Yeah?

There there, that's it's blocking your progress like that. Basically there the mountains cut off everything down to a bridge, and so basically you are working in the south and then eventually you get the mission of just like fuck this, let's take the bridge, and then that's the thing that opens up the rest of the world. Plus you can just fast travel the outposts once you're Yeah, you capture room and stuff. So it's yeah, so it's not

that because I haven't had that much trouble. Did you guys immediately change the vehicle controls too? Yes? Like the up to go up? Yes? What is that? I kept it? I don't know whatever, I'm not driving that, understand. I understand why they do it because it lets you aim and shoot properly. Right, what do you mean proper you like inverted control? No? No, no, no, So the default vehicle controls is all on the left stick steer and accelerate, break and reversal on the

left stick. But you need to be able to look out the side window to do vehicle takedowns and shoot people like that's crucial. I don't know. I don't know how. I haven't tried it with the others. Accelerate left, trigger, break and we left bumper? Is you can shoot? You can? What is that game? I was it Lucky and Chase. It was Lucky and Wild, Lucky wild yourself. Yeah, exactly. That's yeah,

aiming is hard. It should come also come with maybe the maybe the dumbest thing you can do in that game, or one of my favorite dumb things to do in that game is you can push right on the deep had to throw a rocket anytime to try to distract guys when you're in a vehicle, you just fucking throw a rock through the front window. That's like, I don't so I break out the window in every car that I'm in and if not with the gun, then with the stupid rock and then you can

shoot freely. Yeah, it's really stupid. The rock thing is handy. Like if you have to kill rhinos for crafting, something like I'll put C four on the ground and just throw a rocket a rhino's face. And that's crazy. If you want to kill rhinos, get the sticky grenades upgrade and just throw two grenades on they stick to the rhino and then you just finished

off with the gun and then skin it and then skin it. So bears if you if I think, if you kill an animal with explosives, the skin is damaged, okay, So like if you blow up a bear, yeah, the skin is not gonna work, Okay, but with a rhino. So that's why I finished it off with a gun, just in case it's three grenades might actually damage. But I don't need that anymore. I got a good wallet. Oh good, because you need four rhinos like this

for this wallet, it's going to require four rhinos. You're only what you what they don't tell you is you're only using the scrotal fold of each rhino. What's a really fucking nice wallet? A million rupees? But so wasteful, so wasteful. Yeah, they don't use a million rupees? What is that? How's that convert? Not? Well, like you know old beepers that are out of date it self for like four thousand rupees or something. So what was the Vietnamese thing? Was that Don song? Yeah? Yeah,

yeah yeah. That game's fun. Yeah, it is a lot of fun. Oh what else came out recently? Grant that Onto five? Anybody playing on the new consoles? Yeah, I messed with it. I think the time about last week. I messed with it, and when like this is cool, and but I have zero desire to actually go back, and I'm gonna get back to it. I just got derailed by Dragon Age and the far prye for now. Yeah, there's a tongue that I'm trying to catch up on. It's like, I really want to play this new Grant

of five. Yeah, it probably makes that game inherently less interesting for a lot of people for now. Yeah, wait for the PC version. I'm more way more interested to see what the modern community does with that game than I am in the higher resversion on the new consoles. Look real nice,

fatrid. I brought my WU on a plane. You sent me a picture yesterday of your we you in the back pouch of the Yeah, well, so I checked to see the what you know, I I checked in the night before and then it said what what kind of plane you're gonna be on? And I've checked online and it said there were no outlets, and so what if there are outlets? No, yeah, it's I've I've checked that like WiFi, stay asked before. And there's why I find the plane because

maybe they changed so uh. And plus I was bringing I wanted to bring out the EU anyway, and I wasn't. It's not it's not gonna fit in my normal bag. It's got my laptop. I'm not gonna check that in. So it's like, if I'm gonna bring this with me, I'm gonna have to carry it on anyway. So so it brought that with me and then fortunately it was a power outlet down there and because that sends that

separate wireless signal. Yeah, I just shoved them with you in the underneath the trade table and I've got the game pad and I'm sitting there playing in attitude different place. So it was ratulations, you've out weirded Stephen Totillo and his whole plane in the airport waiting room. Yeah, you've actually you've taken

it to the next there was. I was. So I was in like group two A boarding, which I was very excited about because it meant I could get my set up all put together before anyone gets on the flight out of the window. Uh no, I was in the aisle, okay, And so so I got that all all set up. The only like weird parts were when the because that the game pad lasts what like three hours like

that, it's like a four and half hour flight. So I got most of the way through the game, the second half of the game that I was working through when the game pad was going to die, and then it came to the point where well, now I need to drop the power outlets, and so then I had to go back up into my bag like get out the second charge on it, and then ask the two year old that was next to me job on the way so I could change the power outlet

put that in again, and then underneath my tray is then now the game pad and the Weiu machine. What You're a monster. It meant I got to finish paying at A two on the flight and that game is unfucking believable. I played, you know, maybe two hours of the original. I don't play character action games, and largely I don't play them because they share

a lot in common with fighting games. For me, in which the ones I've played, it's a lot of like memorize these button patterns, like to do special moves, and I just memorization does not come very naturally to me, and so fighting games don't come very naturally to me. So a lot of character action games don't come very naturally to me, so I've tended to

avoid them. But what I love about being added too is it feels like a character action game made for people that don't like them, And specifically it's the fact that it's a game built around dodging. It's like, you actually

should not be focusing on fighting. You should be focusing on dodging. And because when you dodge, it activates which time and which time is you know what second and a half in which everything moves very slow and you can attack, and at that point you could just spam whatever you want, and you could be doing more powerful moves, but you should always be focusing on just getting out of the way of whoever's in front of you. I've thought that

really freed me up to focusing on just timing based stuff. I'm really good at rhythm games. I really like that, and really good platforming games, so those things are like very timing based in a way that I focus on watching the action on screen, dodging when it's appropriate, and then just sort of matching on the buttons and it all works out. Well. That's what's really great about it is it works for guys like us that kind of have

a spamming approach because I do the exact same thing. I focused on dodging and then I'm just like, well, I'll hit this for a while and some cool it will happen. Yeah, But for those people that do want

to really deep dive on it's all there. Yeah, like you can go to the trials men, you like, when you're just out in space or whatever, the huge list of commands and you can memorize the like okay, so this is a kick kick, rotate around once and then punch, punch hold, you know, like you can do that, yeah, or you can do it the way we do it, and yes, really fun either way. Yeah, just like walked into an all and on meeting, like I found my people. Finally people understand I cannot. I cannot deal with

the memorization stuff. That game is so good about letting you play the way you want to play. It totally applies for both sort of categories of players. And then it's you know, one of the ways I've tried to describe it to people that don't know when to play those games like did you see a Seras Wrath And you're like, man, that game is fucking crazy, but game wise barely like barely A game like Being at a two is like a spectacular playing game that also handles spectacle in a way that it's just so

goddamn impressive. It's somehow manages to be extremely epic and very intimate at the same time, where there's so much going on around you, and yet you're very much focused on like what's happening with you and the characters around you. Like it. The way it manages scale is just it's it's It is literally unbelievable because it keeps stacking and getting crazier in a way that it should. You think you think it's done to yeah, you think it's done. It's

like, oh no, it's not. It's not very successive. Encounter just just ups the bar by by several orders of magnitude. Also, also they

manage that scale on quote unquote old hardware, which is pretty impressive. Yeah, Like and it's you know, it's it's the frame the frame rate, you know, gets a little bit weird when you're exploring around, but then as soon as combat because you know, the game zones off combat, So that's when the sixty frames a second like is rock Saw Like I think it hit maybe one or two like frame rate it took ups the whole game.

But otherwise it is a damn impressive game. That's the only bummer part about playing on the game pad is that it's kind of fuzzy, like you lose a little bit. I think the only place that really suffers a little bit like the world design, which is just kind of open and it's sort of spartan, like there's not really a lot to explore or fight. But like, the enemies in that game are so fuckings are just so ridiculous. So many different kinds, yeah, so many different weapons, all all the heavenly

enemies, but I think are my favorite. Like it just they're just so twisted and just bizarre looking. How many boss fights are in that game. There's like mid boss level size yeahs. And then there's the Giant flight. There are things that it calls boss fights that don't really feel they just feel like longer enemy encounters. But yeah, there's there's Oh god, that game's

great. That games fantastic. It's it's just this really great thing like the sort of quote unquote optional I forgot how you pronounce it, mel i am or whatever, you know what that thing is like little are doing all of those ye me? And that's what I think is great about those because they're just difficult enough that you feel like you can do them, so that even when I do fail them, like six or seven times. I'm constantly to myself, I know, never to actually do it. No, yeah,

they're they're only about the only weird things. I wish they just let you retry them instead of like sending you back to the beginning of that room and then having to turn into a panther and run up. Come on, just let me retry. But there, what's the spout turning into a panther. You don't tap your panther turn into a shoots knives. Yeah, you can't

do that. Yeah. And what I love and because those challenge rooms actually teach you how to play the game, right, Like they they teach you about dodging, Like it'll be like, hey, you can only defeat enemies in which time, so it's like, okay, now we actually have to focus exclusively on dodging, and you take that immediately then into the main game and I'm oh, I'm a better player now. It's like the one where

it's you know, beat all these enemies without touching the grounds. I'm learning how to juggle in the air while keeping or you can only beat enemies using their own weaponry like that. That taught me how to use some of the

different enemy weapons. Some of those are great. Yeah, like the one where it's like, hey, defeat everyone in a single combo, which is then where you learn like, oh, use your guns to like maintain a combo while you're making your way over to the enemy or you know, do the and then I started learning how to use the dash move like the double double forward like toward like it fucking amazing game, Like I don't I don't use the word like fucking amazing lightly. And that that game really just in

every facet just completely blew me away. Just what I really want them to make good ship this year. Yeah, just shame it's not out there on more stuff, you know, like it didn't get out to a wider audience. Not that you hey, I mean I tend to save that game. I give them all the credit in the world for actually seeing something in that game, being willing to sort of you know, put the bill on it, because I mean, they needed games, so obviously they couldn't necessarily pick

and choose too much. But like I'm I'm just I'm just thrilled that they actually put it out there, and they haven't done a lot of marketing for it, but they did put it out there. The people that are interested in to see will to Bayonetta find that shot? Like they don't need marketing for that. I mean, you know, like you could argue that it should be seen by more people, and if they did market it, they

would get there. But you know, like for a sequel to Bayonetta, like that's that's not The attach rate on we you games is such that. I mean literally a Mayor Kart eight is a fifty percent attach rate for the entire console base, like that, Brothers' higher than that even Yeah, I just really I want a Bayonetta three on like new generation hardware so badly to see what just because like you can't top it. I know they can't.

I would if they end up doing. I wonder what the status of that contract, Like what the deal with Nintendo is, if they could go do a bands To special edition they said that, Oh I don't know about that, but they they already said that they would like to work with Nintendo on

another Bandetta. It sounds very much like Sega has no interest. So do you think Bayonetta starts getting integrated into the kind of wider Nintendo family with Like I think with the way this game is selling, like you know, like the real shame is going to be that, like this game is gonna go on to win awards and and do quite well critically, and we may never hear from it again, you know, like just because of the way the

sales went, because of the circumstances of it being saved by Nintendo and brought out in the first place, Like un list, Nintendo was willing to do that again, which I don't I don't see. I think. I think I think Nintendo has done courting the audience for games like that. If if they're like they're, they're just gonna go like, well that people tend to want Nintendo games on Nintendo platforms, We're just gonna go with that. Bandetta

attracts is like a slightly different core audience than like would Nintendo. Eyes On in Bad Times is a core audience that loves their core franchises, and I could I could see them betting if they especially if if ban at the three somehow ends up on the Wei. You again, like the amount of your money you're asking them to foot is is probably not that much relative too. I guess. Yeah, I don't know. Awesome, I just want to

see Bandon and like Spatch Brothers or something. That's what I was talking about. Yeah, I was saying, you know, the same way that I think that was gonna happen. It would have because you know, that's the sort of for it, because everything would have lined up. I guess.

So you can play one. That game. It's pretty crazy too. I've heard that the gameplay tweaks in to make one a little bit harder to play, but I'd like to give it a shot, like I'd have to see, especially because some people said I actually like the crazy and one more than two really fantastic. Yeah, the end of Banta one is I feel real bad, not like you should see if you should see some chapter ten in

Vanitu All that's the when you enter the gates of Hell. Oh and I won't say the opening of the final chapter of Bayonetta two, but it is. I was cackling. I was cackling. It was like, no, this is not You didn't turn this game into this for the next ten minutes to two or you did. Okay, all right, okay, don't stop, please please don't. God what a phenomenal game that is. Yeah, yeah, I love it. I love that Bayonetta one comes with it.

They just put it on a goddamn disk and made it work on the weekend. Yeah yeah, yeah. If you buy the dis version, it comes with it. On the shop, they're sold separately, but on the shop, I think, well, is it so separately? That's basically you have to have an external hard drive for that because Bayonetta two is like seventeen gigs and one I want to say it is like nine or half. That's yeah, Bayonetta two has got me into the disgusting, filthy world of you external

storage. It's messed up. It's bad word, it really is. Because he played like a power power Yeah yeah, yeah, they only put they only put USB two on that thing. So I just bought a sixty four gig flash drive, I know, and yeah, that works, seems to work. That works people, that works, But then you know, a USB drive is going to be slower than a drive. I haven't had any problems, apparently. I was reading you can get like a I'm maybe getting

the like a why splitter. It's a thing that allows you to plug two u as deep into the back of the WU, which then powers it enough for it to be used as an expert. But otherwise you need the hard drive plug ins in the wall. Oh wait, so you have a powered hub you can use a nonpowered you And how does that work with like the wu uh like the adapter for the Smash controllers the game. There's two things on the front. Yeah, but if you have to put both in power

the drive thing, yeah, you'd just be scored. What's the problem which just getting like this is sixty four gig flash if you want to get if you want to get like a terabyte or something, then you're not gonna what's the biggest they have in like a one USB flash drive? That's a lot. I mean how many you get again as you think it is? Yeah, but I have filled up every single console hard drive I have already, right, but I've had to delete several things, yes, but yes I

had to. I had to go buy the disc version because bab, because I already filled that damn thing I want. I had to delete just about everything on my wie you to get me, right, But how much it's alight? Twenty five or seven is already dedicated to And that's silly, It's crazy. I hate it. I've had a new hard drive in my PS four. Not long after I got it, I did that and one tearorbyte drive and that's been fine. I did that week before last. I put

two tearor bytes in. I'd like just being able to jam your own like big ass wamping and hard drive in there. Like this whole this whole like console is having multiple drives attached? Thing is it's just weird? Yeah, it's yeah, like having to having to worry about which device your games go on, like specific games, you know, and what happens if you want to plug that hard drive and like it's it's a little strange. It should all tie it to your home network. Man, you can have your sam

My drowbo. I just want everything in the cloud, man, just everything. Where's cloud gaming? Man? What's the guy car doing? What's David guy Ki up to these days? He's rolling in his money? Yeah? He vatars? You know, it doesn't take a lot of space. Is Captain Toad Treasure Tracker? Okay? I gotta play that this week? Can you can you tell me about it in three minutes or less? Oh?

Probably. It's a pretty simple formula. Hit me, okay, you get three crystals and you get to a star, and there's a hit an objective in every level there's several dozen levels and you can't jump. Can't jump because he's got a real heavy backpack. Of course, it's a real fun game to one hundred percent. I'd love that they gave like a canonical reason why he can't jump. That's great. Yeah, when you go to the end game manual things, it's basically those little puzzle levels from three D World.

It is that, And you know, I think as a main course, it's not quite as great as this, you know, kind of change of pace palate cleanser from three D World it was, but it's still really fun. You know. The review went up. I gave it three stars. I think forty dollars is a bit pricey for the amount of stuff that comes in it. But how long is I heard it? There's like two three hours you can, man, I'm almost one hundred percent through it, and

I can't imagine it's been more than four or five hours. Yeah, Like you can blow through just the levels, like get to the star and whatever crystals you can find the first time that's like three World War three D Land. That's then you've missed, Like you want to get all the green stars, you want to do all that. Yeah, it's we're all like, the really nice design tricks have been like where you realize the forced perspective has been using a super clever way. Yes, and then that's all over the

place in this game. It really is fun. When we did that quick look, that game like came across to me as like a phone game that accidentally got made on consoles. It's it's like, you know so many phone games like Cut the Rope or Angry Birds, where it's like get three things and then move on to the next level, and we've got a big collection. To these, it's get three crystals, move on to the next level, and you can beat it with one, but now you want to get

all three probably be fair. Mario has had that framework for sure with the stark winds and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, well these are more bite sized levels and stuff. It's as long as people know what they're getting into when they spend the money or whatever. I mean, they're gonna have a good time. It's just it's not necessarily Yeah, I had I had always going into that assumed it was like a fifteen twenty dollars down aloadable. Yeah,

it would have been great for that. I've been finding audio it's like forty bucks and on a disc seemed kind of crazy. It's a Nintendo game, so you pay a premium regardless, and you can download it if you want to. It's just on the disc. But I kind of, you know, the way it's distributed kind of implies st something about the scope of it somehow. The fact that it's on a disc. Yeah, like Minecraft comes

on a disc as yeah. Yeah, so yeah, you know that game has been on sale around Thanksgiving, like the you know, downloaded for twenty bucks instead of sixty and it still doesn't seem like a good price. What if I got it for ninety nine cents on my phone? Can you renegotiate how much I'm gonna refinance purchase? You're still paying it off and see if I can. You know, I put the game on layaway and yeah I got. If I can get Equity and Angry Birds, I think everything will

be okay. But working on that, Patrick, Oh, tell me about Game of Thrones. Tell me about the Game of Thrones game. Oh right, I was gonna say, because I don't know whatever is happening in game the Game of Thrones show. Ever, I just I enjoy it very much. But if you asked me to name five characters. I think I might be name five characters. I can't. Alright, you can have you read. Surely you can name five characters. There's nine Catness, Come on,

I want Jeff to name five characters for me. Lady Roland, Donald Catness, Harold, Yeah, or any of them they're all dead. No, okay, Peter Dicklinch what's his name? You know it? Yeah? No, I'm I'm saying, I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm generalizing. There's a lot of character in that series that like, it's really yeah, yeah, all right, little Finger you in it. I thought it was either going to be that or Lord of the Rings. I don't know he's in there, the Lord of the Rings. Okay, Game of Thrones is good. It's

like that good Lord zero. What are you saying? Even, do not engage Manna, I'm gonna let I'm gonna let that one slide because for dan sensibilities, that makes sense. That is a sensible statement. I guess. Just let me let me This bulln't because he's normally so stubborn with fantastics is just a fantastic story. Read the book, the first book, and then I just watched the show since then, I'm just I'm proud of you. I'm right there. I can't even read them. This ground is well trodden.

We's sorry. So does this adventure game stuck the same way all the other Telltale games do or what you can engage that I'm with you. Well, there's sort of like two acts to tell Tale, right, There's there's like pre Walking Dead and then like postwalking like they sort of like turn a design approach after, you know, starting with walking, like the Draft Park

game. I think it was garbage. The Back to the Future games I heard they were okay, okay, charming, sure, yeah, yeah, So the game of throwing this game is odd because everything that has to do with everything that doesn't have to do with the main characters from the show that they're putting in there to like hey it's yeah, bitter Dinklage and it's easier. All this stuff's terrible. It's I don't think it works at all.

It's not because it's shoehorned. It's the the character so too. I don't want to spoil because you've ever't watched the show, but basically picks up it the major event at the end of season three, Okay, I guess, or the season wedding. I guess I gets, so you can say those words. I was gonna ask if the seasons were analogous of the books now, but they're they're they're starting to diverge more. But yeah, not since the first one. Okay, when the UFO landed at the end of season

four, it was like it was kind of a season. The second season was that was pretty much the second book, wasn't it. They started bringing in stuff that's in like the third book. Okay, yeah, but yeah, I think the Red Wedding is like halfway through the third book or something. Yeah, so it's the Red Wedding and then you know, the main arc of season four, which I won't get into, but basically that's kind of it seems that's what the track is going to be for for the game.

So the game sort of sets up a series of characters house Forster, who is involved in one side of the Red Wedding. Their house is impacted by the events of the Red Wedding, and then it's you played this, uh, different members of family and how they're dealing with the consequences, and part of that plays out in King's Landing, you know, where there's a lot stuff going on, But basically, is any of that stuff canonical or are they inventing these characters, Like it's not, it's it's or is it

like stuff that like is alluded to in the book. So it's so it's weird. My my understanding is that it's so you have to follow the lineage, just like the throw The show is an adaptation of right book. Yeah, and then I think House Forrester is referenced in the book, but the game is based on the show, so right, so it is canonical in the sense of the Game of Three. Stuff in from the books that didn't

necessarily make it into the show. But it's kind of there's like a reference to House Forresters like, and there are like references I believe in and I couldn't get this with the rom This is my understanding is there are references to stuff in the books that allows them to make up a new story to tell

that runs parallel. So it's it's not like if you read the books, you know what's going to happen in the tell Tale series, Like there may be references you pick up on and you know this is the whole house we've never even seen before. Yeah, I think, how again like House Forster, I think in Passing Me exactly. I believe it's mentioned as like part of the lore of the world, but it's not like a you know,

folks. So in that other Game of Thrones game they came out a couple of years ago, that shitty RPG, all the characters and stuff that were built for that game were invented wholesale. None of that stuff was referenced in the books. Okay, so this is running more in reference to Okay, I believe so is the likeness and voices of the characters from the show. Is it Thnklage and Lena Hetty? And it is. And that's what makes it like incredibly awkward because it actually, yeah, and it's it's the tell

Tales. It's like the tell Tale style, but with like this kind of watercolor filter applied overthing. And it's very much a filter because sometimes in the cut scenes you will see the filter break and see like the original textures with like the filter on top of it, and it works really bad in close ups where it's just like this chest is just like breaking between the filter and

and stuff like that. I don't think the filter works that well, but it's gives it its own spin on sort of the tell tale approach to this stuff, which it already sort of doesn't work for me that much. Because Game of Thrones is like a gritty, realistic take on fancy. It's part of the reason it probably appeals to Dan versus Lord of the Rings. Like it's it's less fantastic, it's more more stabbing and and it list its sex

than it is like elves running around in the forest setting. The setting is almost incidental to the how many long ass speeches are there in Game of Thrones, Like, there are quite a few, how many of them get interrupted by murder? A lot of yeah, yeah, And you know, because like Game of Thrones, like there are fantastic elements, there's you know, magic and Dragon's ball, but it's not like the focus of the show, Like the focus of Game of Thrones is politics and characters, the like consequences

of like this constant shifting ideologies and such. Hey, sorry, I hate to keep derailing this, but do you think the dragon Age inquisition being so political is a direct result of Game of Thrones popularity? They Well, Vinnie could probably into this better. But I think the dragon Age universe has always been sort of inherently political, like the classes and the hierarchies of this kind

of dragon Age feels like a byware game. Yeah, man, yeah, it's a dragon Age is definitely high fantasy with the elves and stuff like that, and the class stuff is just lifted right out of kind of cookie cutter fan of stuff, yeah, except shifted around, like like the elves are normally you know, sort of like highly respected and in which is like the elves and yeah, yeah, I mean there are no elves and dwarves and Game of Thrones like it's much there are giants. It's it's much more of

the direct like medieval. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. And and the thing about the game is that they they conceive a story in which it doesn't feel like the characters from the show are shoehorned, but like their appearances are so brief that it ends up feeling a little bit shoehorned. And it's also just odd to look at because the characters feel detached in a way that it's obvious that they're doing voice acting and not like performing on the show.

Like there's just well, I mean, we've seen how Peter dangliche is voice acting talents have have been used this year. He's terrible in the game. I'm sorry he is. There there is a there is a reason they're called voice actors, right, and then there are actors. Like it's because they are completely different sets of talents, Like there are people that are crossover. There is I know, but I'm saying there's a reason. I mean,

Destiny was so good. There's just a reason they're called voice Actually, Peter Dinklich is phenomenal in the show, like wonderful, and it just all kind of falls flat. I guess what I'm saying is the larger point is that the stuff that has nothing to do with the characters from the show, the stuff that is just about House Forester and like how you're doing with your own family's internal politics not doing good? Oh man, you're just kidding.

The ironwood business is about to be taken from them, No, to save the family tree? Is ironwood just wood that's harder than regular wood? Pretty much? Yes? Yes, okay, go on, is house Walmart moving in and the well not like wood? This is like all the House Lows was the original. Yeah, there's the Lost of Happening with the Bolton's in I don't like get too specific because it gets kind of spoiler into the show.

But the house they build that you're playing with in the Politics that Happened, they're all super fascinating, especially because it is a house that is like destined for failure, and like the house, the decisions you're making are just

like a bunch of really bad options. Like it's it's Walking Dead esque in that what you're presented with is just like, well, all this stuff sucks, Like you know now that you say that, that kind of makes sense that they went after this property because like, like the Walking Dead, Game of Thrones is a perfect yeah, it's a lot of bad it's happening gray areas, yes, Yeah. And the way the episode plays plays out in the different ways, like it's it's fascinating to watch how much your choices do

or don't play into it because at the end everything is just shittier. Yeah, And and like Game of Thrones plays very much into that Walking Dead gray area of like well, you could kill this guy or kill that guy, and then that's not really how the choices. They're different types of choices in Game of Thrones, but it's the same sort of thing of it all.

You're still pretty much primarily engaging with the games through just conversation trees, and and yes, there is the same kind of contextual action it is or the action is the best action they've ever done in which there's very forgiving among us.

Had some good stuff in it too. Yeah, like they've managed to make the way that the action moments play out are just like I kind of hit right and there's like a big but the way that they aesthetically implement it, you know, you've got like a big swooping arrow, like the kind of looks really nice and it's it's well integrated. It's by far the biggest

budget game they've put together. There's a very distinct moment early in which they have this like really they set up a horse, and they clearly spend a lot of time on their horse tech, like a lot of time because the animations and Telltale games is garbage, usually awful, and the human characters are not that much better in Game of Thrones, but it was clear they were not going to be able to animate horses without like really spending time to figure

out how to animate these horses. And the horses look really damn good. It's good, Like it seems like they spent a lot of time animating these ways us really the important stuff. Yeah, but there's still like moments in Game of Thrones where you'll see a character run away. It's like cut away,

dude, Like I want to see that animation. I was looking into the trailer that they put out today and like just even some of the animations, like the dude getting like thrown down on the chopping block and like him just flailing around. It's like nobody moves like that. I don't know, terrible. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's limitation of their engine or if it's limitation of the amount of time they have to put together those those games. But it it's bad, and it's not.

It's a little bit better here, but it's still but they're still using that same engine, basically the engine they've been using all along for this stuff. I have to imagine that the amount of time they're in full production on each episode is pretty compressed. Yeah yeah, based on it's all not faster there putting those things out, and like you've got to have the thing written and vo recording. When you think about how like how quickly that company has grown,

like they had four projects running simultaneously. You know, there's that studio got big fast. They had to move locations like it got you know, you might you might argue that a little too fast. Bet I bet, yeah, probably mean you know, like those games have been buggy all along, and you know, like you're talking about the filter being glitchy and stuff,

and just filter doesn't even really that good to begin with. I think the filter exists because they wanted to give it a slightly different little shirts. You know, it kind of fits in with some of the more fantastic stick elements of the show. But when it works, it works really well. It's just very clear that, like some of the elements it's applied to, is a filter as opposed to like a natural part of the environment. It's probably a cost thing, like it's it's more effective to do to apply it

that way. But yeah, I enjoyed it. I'm you know, my my bar of playing those as if my wife wants to play the next one, because she drives all the decisions, I will secretly pick other ones if she takes too long and take the one I wanted, is this another five episode season six? Okay? And these are gonna be like back to back with the Tales from the Borderlands. Yeah this I was gonna say. They have been pretty prolific lately. Yeah, it burns us out today. Right,

Well, we'll see. Will they be able to get another episode out within the next month. That's that's the question, because if they can get them both out the start, but like, well, is there going to be that another like two month break between episodes? Again, it's the holidays.

It's kind of a lot too, I know. I'm just it's like last year that was what kind of the kind of kneecap the Walking Dead and uh Wolf among Us, Bold among Us that the space between episodes of waiting did they not stick to a their normal schedule for that stuff, because I feel like with Walking Dead Season two regular, I feel like Wolf among Us and Walking Into season two both and you know it, granted I'm already kind of not into those games, but I feel like those just came and fucking

went. They were like, Hey, Wolf Amonggus is coming out? Did not hear a peep about I didn't even know that there was more than one episode out until they sent like a retail disc of like season one. I'm like, oh, I guess they put out more of these, because like no one was talking about that ship. Hey, new Wolf Amonggus is out, Like there was zero There were people, as evidence by the fact that anyone was commenting on those recaps that I was writing, there were some people

who were into that stae. But Wolf among Us was not a game that benefited from being episodic at all. The breaks between episodes totally sucked all the momentum out of the story. In the middle episodes dragged so much. It just it was a bad It was a bad structure for that game. Walking Dead's problems had nothing to do with the space between episodes. It's that a lot of the episodes were bad. They were just bad episodes. Both of

these seasons started this year, right, yep, yep. Well, so Wolf amongst I wanted they started in December last year, so that, yeah, do you remember when Walking Dead had like an inventory and you were like picking up stuff to put with item A with item B, like would put the batteries in the right and then they were like the conversation stuff is obviously where this is at. So season two Walking Dead has done now right,

Yeah, because everyone freaked out over the first season. I know loved it and you know, one a bunch of awards and it was season three. Season two well received. No, no, it was not. There were people who liked it. There were a couple of good episodes. Yeah, the middle of that season was the best part of it. Like they introduced a villain and see an episode two, and like the payoff for him in episode three was actually it was voiced by Michael Madsen and one of the best

performances I've heard from a semi sober sounding Michael Matson in ages. Uh. But then once they got rid of that guy, like the last two episodes just felt aimless, like there was just nothing going on in them that was interesting. Highs of season two were nowhere near the highest of season one.

Yeah, I mean chief critical, the creative staff of the first season left and they're making Firewatch, right, And that's not to say that there weren't good parts of season two, but like, are you telling me that Firewatch is actually the real season two to the Walking Dead? It's embarking. Hey, now you know what fire Watching finally fucking damn it could have just four words. It only took like four months for us to exlay it to you,

but I did money play Tales from the Worlands. We played the first fifteen minutes of it on the show, the live show we did on Wednesday. I got halfway through it, and then between Game of finishing Game of Thrones before I came out here and finishing Tales of Borderlands, we finished Game of Thrones. I'm gonna play it. It was like shockingly well received. Some people say it's some really nice things about it against the trailers we would

put up on the site. I think we one of our active deck points was like people care about the story and by yeah right, and then would get like an extreme pushback. It's like, no, dude, I like the story, and Bordlands it's like okay, buddy. It was always just

kind of there for me. Yeah, And Tales from the Borderlands seems to make an active attempt to be like we're gonna try and make this for people that maybe didn't care for the story, and Borderlands like get a little bit away from the meme stuff about Borderland's two story is like a little overplayed, but it seems to be less like snarky in that way and in a little more like trying to create some interesting character. It also feel like they're trying

to tell a much smaller story, you know. It's about these characters that are just trying to create a caper, you know, and it's it's a sort of about like it's it seems to be told in flashback to the weird caper they got themselves involved in, but it's not really about like, you know, saving the world or any of that, not not yet. But I think I think it benefits from that because when I saw eighty three, I was prepared to absolutely hate it, and I found myself more interested in

it than I thought I would be. Still probably not going to play it. Uh, I played it when like okay, it's one of these tell tale games. Yeah, okay, all right, cool, I just I can't it's actually it's it's I feel and I felt the same way when that Ron Gilbert kickstarter came along of just like, man, I feel like, you know, we saw a second rise and fall of adventure games for me where it's just like I don't want to I don't care about the second part

of Broken Age. I don't care about like all this stuff is like whatever, just I'm I'm done. I really like I didn't. I didn't finish the first act, like I got part way through its point, like dude, I can't uh, and just that style of gameplay went away for me again and like give it twenty years, maybe we can do it again. Did you did at least get to the part where Alex for Coppolis shows up? No, I don't think I did. I don't know. I don't

remember. Is he a character in the game. He's voice is a character in that game with the name a guy with no okay, but character, he's the guy you unfreeze. Uh. I'm pretty sure that he says his name is Alex. Does he? Yeah? I don't remember that, but yeah, that's that. Acropolis is the Tony Dan's video game voice acting. Was that supposed to be this year? It just got They just got bumped

next year literally today? Oh really? Yeah, man, if you're a backer, you'll get access to a version of it by the end of the year. But the finalized one of the ear with with like an oddly specific message about what they have left to do. Yeah, Like they spent like three paragraphs saying like like, what we just got done doing this, so now we got to go down to LA and record last of the d O

and then these animations are going in. It was just like this. It's like with the way that some of the space based stuff went there, they're in a position where they kind of have to be as specific as they can up. They have so many different projects. I'm glad they would do something. It sounded a little bit like preemptively trying to, yeah, get in front of people going like, why'd you just like spend all the money on hookers and blow? Where's the game? You know? Well, I mean

they've get you know, they've the space Base had. Do you think games get made? Then? You know they had you know, uh, you know another game going to early access like it's there, and you know, weird Spot right now as a company for sure. Indeed, are there any other big games that I haven't thrown out? That's somebody? Or small games? Freeze about three? Three? I love three? What's one plus two? Brad? I'll be out here three. When does twenty forty eight come

to the Xbox one? That's why I want to know about No? It plays great. I was wondering how they would do the thing to where you know, if you slide your finger over the screen but don't let go, you know, you can kind of preview how the tiles are going to shift. But it's cool. It's the right stick does all that, so you can shift it and it won't lock anything in the place with the right side. Use the deep patter left stick to actually move them. But I mean,

it's it's exactly what Threes was. It doles out the achievements like crazy. I played like three games, I got like five hundred achieving points. It gives you a two hundred achieving points playing in snap mode. Don't lie you're a little bit interested. I'm a little bit more. I mean, threes is a great game. Yeah, but I bought threes once on a device that is perfectly suited to play threes, and I can play it while doing something else and having that something else exist in a full screen way.

What if I told you this, Jeff, when I was testing it earlier, I've played Threes on the right side out of the screen, while on the left side of the screen. Was nWo sold out ninety seven? What if I told you I could play threes on my phone while having nWo sold out ninety seven full screen on a TV. Or what if I told you I could play threes full screen on my television using my Xbox One that I bought for money while watching nWo sold out in ninety seven on my phone.

Those are all possibilities. Yeah, exactly. The world is my oyster. I don't need to split screen share time with anything if everything gets its own screen all screen. This is the wrestling screen. This is the three screen howe your yeah masking tape that I wrote like wrestling screen on the TV. Did you see did you see this completely unsubstantiated rumor going around about like a new Xbox one interface coming, No, like to somehow coincide with what I

was ten? Huh? I mean with it? Like, is any part of the rumor like, well, with connect gone, we're just going to move completely. It was. It was vague and I almost feel stupid bringing it up because it was very much like message board scuttle butt style, like I just still got a Windows ten event coming, and like did they do

that all over again? I don't know, like that worked so potably for them last time of one OS if the one one esthetic in OS approach for multiple device, but that it would be what they would be getting away from to a certain extent, because the Windows ten OS is such that you couldn't duplicate it on a console because it is just old Windows. But when you bring up that start menu, it has tiles like Windows eight did in the

start menu. Oh, so you're saying would be a new interface, it would be something okay, there would it would distensibly like you would think that they would that would be their chance to move away. It would be engaged to yeah, to like save face though, like instead of saying like it didn't really work on the first time, you would be able to say, well, we're making it more like Windows ten. We decided to go more Windows ten. So they can't do that because yeah, Windows ten just is

a PC. It's Windows ten is Windows seven with its slightly different start menu. Like you can't make a console look like oh innovation, Yeah, gives me what I'm right. So now you're just getting away from that rade. So they could you know this this they could very well. I mean obviously I think they will totally redesign the UI at something like will it be next

year? Like I don't know. Yeah, hearing you talk last week about about trying to wraankle the party interface for master Chief and stuff like that, and like they I thought the party interface was like Junkson's Day one. Like and they've done work too, and they're still just crazy. You know, it's still they. I don't know if you've seen. They made a bunch of changes to snap interface too. There's that little pop up now do you know what I'm talking about it? Maybe it's a little four away. It

looks like a deepad when you snap. Now, oh no, you do have guy button? Yeah, double tap the X button and it'll pull it up. It's yeah, let's just switch between the two pains and a couple other things. So you be you would you would double tap that button and it would just swap pains, right, yeah, sum that even more difficult, Like what it's not difficult? Why are you snapping to get with? You have that? Tell you have to? No, you don't. I

want a snap option that is never snapped. Just give me a checkbox somewhere that things has never fucking snaps. Just a button, says fussy, And and that's that's that. If you view achievements in the game, you can only view them snapped, and I think that those are mistakes what it made. That is what I'm getting at. The added functionality. They added this little four way thing, the selector, but it's not enough. I can't believe they salvage that view. I didn't know they added that, Like I

I couldn't live without that. I don't know how you would get it. It's it lets you switch between the two. It's context like SNAP, so I could be playing a game. Well that's about example. If you have achievement snap to the right, you could switch between like okay, now I want to switch over to Hulu, like change the Snap application or go back

and forth, you know, or unsnap. Yeah, yeah, I guess like that's the things like since I have connects, yeah, I mean, I don't know if you can alter it from that thing, but I know you can't. But I think you have to go like into the settings to alter that, which is like really goofy thing to go all the way to do that. It seems like a concession to the fact that a lot of people don't have connects now right, Yeah, they wouldn't have to do this.

You can't say unsnap and stuff like that. And I only know about it because I watched the like Major Nelson, like here's what's new on the dashboard update video last time my friend I was playing with that to tell me, he's like he's just but yeah, like I feel like there are too many things that they are just like stuck together with bubble gum and you know it's it's it's a lot of stuff like the breadcrumb trail of like like that that case of like sometimes you hit the B button and oh, a game

is launching. How did that happen? What the fuck is going on? Or you go to messages and it launches the last thing you were in, so suddenly it's launching a game again, and like that that stuff is messed up, just so finding the goddamn settings menu and that thing Jesus like on top of ex useful for that, on top of all of other advantages.

Like that's one reason I find myself on the PS four a lot more, just because like you know, you've got that interfaciated with fat well, that interfaces got some issues, but it's still straightforward, Like it's still pretty quick to get to where you need to go without wondering like what am I doing here? Like, where am I game? So do I need to double tap a certain button to make a thing pop up to do what I want?

Or you know, I feel like that. You know, my suf's been really good with the firmer updates and they have they keep adding like interesting. I don't know if they're useful because I don't know, like who how many people actually care? But like they added that what's on thing, and that rolled out in the US now I think it's only in the preview dash, but now it's like one of the top bar things is what's on. It'll show you like some Twitch broadcasts. But also it's just like here's trending

television. Here's TV ship programs that other people are watching right now, like an NFL game or the oscar. Like it's kind of interesting because you're if it's real data. It's interesting because you look at it and go like, man, everyone watches shit, but Dynasty's on right now? Now, I'm

good, I'm good. You click over this Fast and Furious marathon right that setup like you know the trending television show the Year at the Game Awards, right, yeah, no, that's what the trending television show the House the cards, but you know, like you can see what Twitch channel somebody's watching on the friends list, you know, ye, click through and like go

to that channel. Yeah. There's there's some great stuff. There is great smart stuff with the Xbox One interface, but it's just not quite there for the game stuff. For for some of that stuff like like party could still be smoother, and you know, they're getting into and out of a game, like I feel like they just there. Maybe there needs to be a more prominent notification they're like, hey, you have a hot game running in the background. Yeah, and that sort of stuff. Everything. It feels

like a band aid for interface. It's sort of like but you know, a bunch of committees. Yeah, but you know, I just might never stoke yea like forever. I'll give them at least some credit for like iterating quickly, even if it's not like fixing some of the core issue, Like they have fixed some core issues along the way. But I wouldn't be surprised if after this entire year was spent band aiding the entire Xbox One price wise, like you know, just going after a lot of things to try and

make people happier. If next year was sort of like like act two, which is okay, we sort of gotten ourselves and to be competitive, and like a new inter face would go along with that, just like your way to like completely just reintroduce the machine to a lot of people. Second acts usually pretty dark man. Yeah yeah, I mean if you look at you know, Xbox strikes back the price cut, like the November sale stuff that they've been doing, like you know, like sounds like that's been doing really

really well. And anagotally, you know, there was like a thread on gaff about like post pictures from retail for Black Friday, and it was all these shots of just like you know, Xbox displays with all the bundles gone and stuff like that. We like you take out Bloodborne and like, I'm more interested in the Xbox exclusive. It's going well the bigger you know.

I mean again this is anacotal that like for Black Friday, the big difference is you've got PS four Bundle at three ninety nine Xbox Bundle at three twenty nine. Yeah, you know like that that is a big difference at point of sale. Yeah, yeah, what if everybody already bought a PS four. There's also that a lot of people. There's probably a few more people that could die one. Yeah, that's it could probably self me more than

anecdotally. Okay, it's it's it's a thing that's like, you know, it's a it's a solid reminder that, like, you know, this generation will last a very long time. And as much as everyone is quick to want to write everyone off for one mistake or the other people like oh the Sony fur More thing, they're fucked or this Microsoft thing is they're fuck Like, no one's fucked yet, I still want to play most mess up on PC, Like I think that's the Yeah, I mean long term, long

term. The question is are they actually both fucked right because the systems are not powerful enough or it's just you know, comes down to those big platform exclusives and those enough Like everything that has been multi console I picked up on PC, and I think not have kno gone wrong? Like the PC has been the better version. It's a shame because I want to play that stuff on PS four and Xbox One, Like you know, Assassin's Creeds would be

nice to use them. Well you shouldn't want to play Assassin's Creed on anything really. Also, Yeah, fark arthre was like completely broken from me on PC for like really a week. Yeah, it wouldn't even start well in the sense that the scripting broke the moment that you did the first time. You're actually fully control of the character when you have the meeting with who's the Yeah, peg him in and then the sort of rebels show up and you're

supposed to sprint to this jeep. Yeah, Like, the scripting doesn't go, We just everyone just stands there, and so it's of cool, Wait, where there's like supposed to be should blowing up everywhere else there's a couple of guns going off, and so you would like you a YouTube video of that, like, So then I started running forward and the occasionally some of the scripting would kick in, like the icon like go there would kick in.

So then I'd get in the jeep and then you just stand Everyone just sits there, like the jeep doesn't go, like your gun doesn't come out. So then what I found out was that if so I would restart to the to the previous I go to my last safe and then it would do the same thing would happen. But if I went to reload the last checkpoint, the scripting would kick in and then I would get to the next sequence, which is the driving, and then you get to the stealth and there's

like an avalanche thing that happens there. Avalanche would not trigger. Everyone's just standing around, like clearly waiting for the next scripting to occur. Idle chatter, I don't chatter is happening, but the game's not moving on uh. And then finally I waited about like two minutes, and then the avalanche came down and then the game just crashed. And so then I looked I looked

it up. I mentioned this on twitters, like anyone else running into this is just like some people were speculating because that games, you know, optimized for a Nvidio. I have an ETI card, Like, it's just like a weird part of that. Someone was like, oh, I solve I solve all the scripting issues in the first hour of the game. I just

all tabbing. I was like, that's not a solution. And then I went to the Steam forums and someone had the exact exact same issues I was having, and I tried to go through the intro like three or four different times crash at the same spot. They were like, oh, there was an issue with the game pad support. So you have to play with the mouse and keyboard for the first hour and a half. Then you can play with a game pad and fuck that. And then I bought your egg and

agent moved on. I think you made the right choice. Yeah, I want to go back. I'm sure it's like better. It was just so infuriated for it to be that broken, that's crazy. Yeah, I didn't have any issues of the PC version. Yeah, I'm like six hours in on the PC ID. Any issue I would have an in video, so maybe that'd be too Yeah, I don't know. That's the thing with PC games was on some level you never know. Yeah, you never know what

you're gonna get with those things. But generally the quality of ports is great, actually better than ports are I guess, like, yeah, that's yeah. We've been talking for years about you'd be soft PC stuff being a fucking burning car crash. So it was weird. Like we played the PC version of Unity, which everyone had told me was just hot garbage, like just did not run it could most people couldn't even get it to load properly.

Played it on that like that BFS PC that we looked pretty well, It actually ran pretty nicely like that looks real good key phrase you said, bf BC. The largest problem with the U S S PC ports is incredibly poor optimal and that game run like shit, really just garbage. I mean I couldn't even load it on my home machine. It was like two years old. So, and you know, they talk a lot about, you know, if their CPU bound or whatever that stuff, and you know, maybe

my Sandy Bridge Arab CPU is not what it needs to do it. Yeah, I don't know. Stiller on in their room, yeah, Cyris, Yeah, pull my three dffect ship. Yeah. Well he talking about Assassins Creed Unity being busted. It's a great segue into news and yeah, what's news? All right? What are we in? Week three? Week four of our Assassins Creed Unity updates, Unity Watch continues. Assassins Unity. You should just stop watching tweet of the week. There you go, it's broken.

I feel like this has to be the conclusion of the Unity saga because they basically posted their maya culpa. They're like, yeah, we fucked up. Well, when you have your when you have the CEO of the studio that oversaw the development of the game, say, I didn't know you could have a CEO underneath the CEO. Yeah, I guess like they're not even subsidiaries, they're just what I'm saying, studio, Like this is from your honest blot who has been like been a name since like the first Prince of

Persia in the modern era. Who Yeah, and he's listed as the CEO of movies saw in Montreal. Like how just doesn't mean anything? Stock any he was off mantre. Yeah, right, I don't know if you want to. Yeah, it's a real bear market. It's probably pretty low. Probably get in ground floor. You know, it's the culmination of the years of innovation and work and blah blah blah. Unfortunately, at launched, the overall quality of the game is diminished by bugs and unexpected technical issues. I

want to sincerely apologize expected he makes. It makes you think about that email we got from uh, the anonymous person right again about the quality of Assassins, creed unity and all that sort of stuff like that. Did that person know the game was broken? They blamed a lot. They said that a lot of their issues who you know, who knows it could be shifting to blame was that the test environments the dev kits were different than the retail kissues

in a way that impacted. Yeah, the optimization. I mean that game has issues that go far beyond its technical problems, but but those are significant. They did they that was one of their chief things, like, yeah, this this stuff was different than to be fair, I mean, but the PC version was messed up too. I know that. That's where you're like, well, that didn't I mean, I didn't change, you know. He kind of his hat in hand here with this apology. But the

bigger thing is that they made business changes. They're no longer selling the season pass for this thing. Oh I heard about that. Yeah, do you get a refund if you bother? So? No, no, Actually, this is actually pretty good. They made They made good, all right, as much as you can make good on this, they made good. So

so yeah, the season pass. As as of this message going out last week, the season pass was no longer for sale because all the DLC that was to come with the season pass will now be free for anybody humans the game all or just the first piece. It's yeah, it's just the first So it's the Dead Kings DLC. I'm not clear. The Dead Kings DLC is free for everyone, So that's not so that's not the entirety of what the season pass would have gotten. You know, there's also the downloadable two

D game that they're putting out, the one set in China. Yeah, there's there's like two other major piece of DLC, so season pass owners, so you'll still have to pay piecemeal for that stuff. Yes, one would assume maybe it'll be cheaper as a result or something like that. Okay, okay, So so Dead Kings DLC is what everybody's getting for free, regardless of having the season Pass or not. If you bought the season Pass, which was thirty dollars, you get a free you play point wallpaper. It's

totally sweet. Thirty thirty free you play points. No, they are. They are giving one of like six or seven different other Ubisoft games free to anybody who bought season pass. But it's recent stuff. It's like Far Cry you could get you could get the crew of the Crew. Crew as of that writing was not even out yet, so like they're giving away like the crew. Maybe don't get the crew. I mean no, we don't get the crew. Is anybody another? Yeah? Just like basically playing. Yeah,

it's this endless chain getting your life. So they had their they had their big story about like, hey, we've we've heard some people complaining about review stuff and hang on, let you guys know that it's not getting ahead of ourselves here. Is there more? There are stories yet to come. You'd be soft. It's just been ship in the fucking bed left and right right this season man, So yes, if you if you bought that season Pasty, I love Far Cry, you're gonna get one of the Far Cry

is a great game. That's when it works. If you bought make it, if you bought the Unity season past, you should take a look at Far Cry for Okay, that's the one to get. Yeah, one of the other ones, Watchdogs, Rayman Legends, just the newest Just Dance, Just Dance, the Crew, Assassin's Cream, Black Flag. Yep, it's like all that's not bad, justically all the last like half a dozen,

like Bigby Soft games. If you're gonna give you another one about the big budget sixty dollars games for thirty dollars season pass, like it's yeah, aren't they putting out Anopoly? Can they get Anopoly for so that they got license fees to pay on that? They can't? Right? What about Tetris and they do the most recent Techris npoly guy gets his money, man, Yeah, what did that come out? The Vita three DS? Tetris come, Yeah, I want to get that. What's that called Ultimate? Can you

put ds again? That was great? That's a good versions so good. That's probably ever. I wouldn't say the best. It's pretty good. Next Tetris. What's the other what's the other better version of Tetris? Tetris? That N sixty four Tetris game where you're building all the Tetris trish. Yes, okay, fine, yes, Tetris is kind of cool. Yes it is, but it's not Tetris. Are you saying that the next version of Tetris? You know what I'm saying was it is the next Tetris or the

new Tetris. Tetris that's the title is a friend sixty four? I think it was next Test next Tetris. There was a four player Tetris game. Oh yeah, that was and you built the seven winners of the world by breaking all your lines and stuff. What was the game that broke Tetris? I forgot which one it was, but that's forever. Yeah, like that is a like Tetris. As you know, the Tetris company crackling a little bit here is I think, I think, I think up against your face

a little bit. The Tetris Company made that rule change and it is now canonical. Those those are the rules of Tetris that infinite spins in some games, the ability to flip it off. Maybe I don't know. I think I want to say it flip it off every time I come across it. Yeah, yeah, Brad, what else is going on on this? So here, just as Ubisoft was cleaning up there tree Unity mess yeah, which is not clean completely. Well, so you just like that mold, you

just paint over it. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, just paint over it. And here's the copy of farcright for it. Let's just forget the same happen. God damn. So patch three came out for Unity of around the same time as this message, and Digital Foundry did an analysis of the PS four version then found that performance was like one point five percent better. Yes, so damn all right? Uh, not exactly out of the woods on that one. Yeah, yeah, but they are they are fixing

a bunch of bugs. Purportedly. They also said that the frame rate, like there's going to be a frame rate patch, Well this is not this claim to have covered some of that ground and the kind of didn't. Uh it is one point five percent better now seriously, yep, that's better out runs a thirty one. Can we go five hamps through review scale? Can we go raise the score one point five percent? Not an unill we get

his zero star rating, it's like two point three. So yeah, just as just as they were kind of trying to address that stuff they got out there about the crew because you remember what happened with Unity I do and how reviews didn't post until noon of launched day, and said, hey, we're gonna address that by not sending it out to any reviewers at the time problems solved. They're just saying there's no embargo because there's yea exactly a great reviewers.

Reviewers will experience this game the way it was meant to be seen on full live retail. Basically, they're pulling the Destiny card by saying, like, we're not gonna let you play it early because it's an online game and you need to see it as an online game. No no coverage embargo, just well you'll get it just because you won't have it, which I mean, meanwhile, like the pre orders for that game unlock at nine o'clock on Monday, and I don't know if they've sent it out yet. We didn't

get it, but I can't speak for other outlets. I don't know if it's gone out or not. Meanwhile, the servers are up and live. So if you managed to get a retail copy ahead of time by a retail store that doesn't give a fuck, you can play it. And I've so that's you know, that's where it gets super anecdotal, is you know they've been running betas for this game for some time, and if like, I've had a lot of different users contacting me about the crew saying that they fucking

hate that beta. And then today after I said that, I you know, had to pre order it so we could, you know, post some covers this week, a lot of people said, like, so I got ahold of a copy. It handles like shit, and a lot of people kind of saying that that it is it is not a good game. So what are they saying? That is technical stuff or just the gameplayer or just not a great game. So if it's anything, if it plays anything like the couple of times I played it at Ubisoft Events. The driving in that

game is garbage. Then the car's handle like garbage. Sometimes your car flies across the corner. Yeah hopefully, Yeah, so there is that. I just want to know if it still says Saint Louis in a French way, like spelling out Saint and hyphenating it like they did in the beta, Like hopefully that's still in there. Does the US maps still look like it was

drawn by an eighth grader from Australia? Okay, but I don't know, Like I said, so, like the first time, the first time I played that game, I thought, this doesn't seem very good at all. Then I played it right before E three this year and thought, you know, there's something to this, Like the parts are almost like a car RPG kind of thing, like the idea behind it, the idea is that kind

of fun. And then the beta came out and I saw some of the story stuff about like you know, you gotta take over the gang and your brother got killed and they're they're pinning the murder like you get another Troy Baker voice game and you're just like, look at this, he's in its car, And the story seemed like it like Troy. It made me long for the heady days of need for speed. Most wanted the original one. It was good in a different way than I normally do. Uh, Razor Callahan

is the true character of the adding games. Like these guys just seem like terrible. So so seeing that story mode and like seeing that they had made a Ubi Soft game, like there are towers that reveal things. It's it's a satellite dish you have to drive up to and sync with to reveal jump into a haste with your car, and you can't stealth murder anyone with your car. It's not so so much stealth stop. Yeah. So like they took that design approach, they need to have applied it to a driving game.

They need to sit down in a meeting that listening to twenty fifteen and we put the fucking tower in the game, your fire, fucking fire. They need to sit down and go like, and I think I might have said this like last week, the week before or something. We're like, they need to sit down and go, let's make the next Assassin's Creed game a linear experience and just have it no more open world stuff, or let the open world open world. It's like, you know, you go to

a mission in which they've hand crafted like this an open zone. You can attack it multiple ways, which is what they tried to do with Unity not super well, like there's there are some cool ways to pull off those assassinations we want to but in reality, like to do to start down a couple of smoke bombs just stablish Yeah, that's all you gotta do. This ninety minute mission just took you two and a half minutes. Yeah, it's interesting.

I feel like that. Yeah, the yes, it is. It's interesting that they found a way to apply the ub saw her designed to like different genre. It's interesting that that they are trying to push the limits of the I mean it's also push that and maybe tragic. I mean what's interesting watching what's interesting is watching how far they will go with this. I mean, you know, and you start to wonder why, Like I mean they have a zillion employees, yeah right, I mean, they have like a

trillion fucking studios. It doesn't seem like there's a great reason for them to make every game or the vast majority of their games or don't play in that way. I don't know if you remember the Naro two games, they made less generation, but those games were the same thing. Really, they were open world games. I mean I think I had fun play, Yeah, I remember they being neat games. It's got to be like a focus testing thing, right, Like they just found this formula that they They've got players

that they found that they liked it. People like the idea of a map full of side content. Yeah, they don't do it. I don't know. And it's it's it's really fucking things like handles it well fault no no, I yeah, every mission is a five star man just doing street Unity opens with a fucking chase mission. They took the ratings from the last game and fucking ignored them and obviously win against what everyone must have voted because it was the worst. It's a pretty easy chase mission, to be honest.

I don't give a what's the So what else do they have? So the crew is coming up and then they have a watch Dogs this year, it's the next there's nothing the Division, the Division and Siege. Yeah, Siege probably will not have towers for you, but what if it does. It's a multiplayer games. One of the game. What if one of the hostages is a tower climbed the Hostage Siege was that super short demo where they shot through the Yeah, yeah, like I played that. That was cool.

It was like a multiplayer focus thing. I don't think The Division is an open world game, but who knows. No, I think it is, or at least it's open environment. Maybe I don't. I don't think The Division is a game. So yeah, yeah, I just feel like the stuff they put on paper, like the crew on paper sounds really interesting and it's like and then to hear that it's maybe not executed really well, it's disappointing. But like if you were to give me that pitch, it's like,

yeah, I'm really interested in that. But then that's that's kind of a bummer. Well we'll see. I mean, I you know, by the time you hear this, we should have some coverage on the site probably right, Maybe not coverage on the site, but you know, well we will have played some of it. At least. Do we know which forty seven Ubi Soft studios worked on that game, the crew, I don't. I don't keep track of which studio does. What's that company? It's impossible

Puma made that. Yeah, I just the audacity of the message they put out so to say, are you saying it's apology of the year. Is that what you're saying, because it's not apology. This is about this is that the crew? Yeah about the crew? Yea. The crew will be available to media to begin their reviews when the game launches on December second. There will be absolutely no embargo on any type of coverage once the game is available for seeing. Thank thanks thanks for making that clear, Thanks for thanks

for understanding what the problem was. This may have been a weird extreme, but I feel like this is going to be the game that goes down in history as the last game that people did this for like had a an embargo that was like the morning of release instead of the midnight because a lot of cases is like that's holdover from like like the concept of a game, you know, opening up on midnight at midnight is still relatively new in the grand

scheme of things. It's the thing it was a digital yeah, yeah, you know, like you know, in in the grand scheme of things, if we if we take the entire history of the past couple of generations into context, embargos have always been Tuesday morning because that's when stores opening, they go on sale and you'd have supposed to be the only way to get the game exactly, so, you know, and you would have some cases where

a publisher would step in. Occasionally, Activision would try to claim Wednesday, which was hilarious, and you know at that point you'd go like, no, no, we're not going to do that. Uh. And then sometimes you know, you'd have someone try to push for like Tuesday at noon and you'd be like, why, that's that's not reasonable, Why would you do

that. I think this is a case of just like, you know, you have a lot of people that have been doing this for a very long time, and at this point, like like yeah, if if if like review sites were like people that are super focused on reviews, probably should have pushed back and said like, no, this needs to go up when the game goes on sale. Otherwise I could be live streaming the game and still

not review it yet. Like how that's crazy when you're talking about Yeah, when we had to push back to in the morning show and I had bought it the night before it and locked in midnight's like I can talk about the game, and so I'm fucked. Yeah, Yeah, So it's a it's a it's a weird situation, But I just I look at it as one of those weird holdovers, like like, was Ubisoft trying to pull a fast one on people? Uh? Probably a little bit, Probably a little bit.

Yeah, I'm not necessarily because of that, because I mean I think that they were a little dodgy about when they were sending that game out to begin with, Assassin's Creed usually goes out pretty fucking early because those games for long. Yeah, because those games are long and they're very confident about I think I got it the Unity Thursday or Friday before it came out. Yeah. Unity, we all went out like like yeah, we would get it. We would get a p s three discs that was like not quite final,

like maybe a month out sometimes. And this game there was like it was like a black fucking box. You're like, hey, what's hey, what's up? Statins Creed? Nothing? Rogue didn't even show up until I didn't get it. I got, I got Rogue Dave release I got a day after Yeah. Yeah, yeah. A similar Shenanigans with w W for the current generation consoles, Uh, to some extent, but that's neither here

Norther. I feel like there is some reason for hope like some some publishers are coming down, coming around to modern realities of release timings faster than others, you know, like I feel like Bethesda has been really good about like the embargo was always just like well it's nine am or I'm sorry, nine

pm the night before release. Yeah, and then and you know, like they made that adjustment because people complained and said like and you know, they used to say midnight Pacific and go like this unlocks at nine pm on Steam, like you can't do, and so they made the adjustment. Like that's you know, and that's the adjustment that everyone is starting to make. Really to Clea, the embargo should never be later than the game that was for

sale exactly. But you know, they can set whatever embargo they like if you want to agree to that copy on their terms. And that's where it breaks down. It's just like, you know, do you actually want to

do that? Yes or no? And but if you think about stuff, if you think about a strong franchise like Assassin's Creed, which can sell in the brand right, like why would if you and if you feel like the reviews are gonna be tepid, like why would oh yeah, yeah, no, I mean yes, I mean like Bargaret should do this, like they should push it as far as they came to like there's a clear I mean that's the thing is, like you know, like we don't know for sure

if they did that, but you know, everything lines up in such a way that you look at it and go like, of course they tried to do this because that's their job. Their job was to sell the most motive. They're under zero obligation to send out copies to the media or anybody ahead of release to review the game. And I think it's also like like a bit ties into the way people are digesting game media and stuff like that, like reviews that you know where reviews fall and like the you know, do

you need a mouthpiece a review to let people know about Assassin's Creed? No, not really anymore. Well, then on top of that, like that, the whole element of like a streaming contention, like that's still a relatively

new phenomenon that I think PR people are still training. They had they had an event like the week before release where they had a bunch of prominent like YouTube stream people or whatever go down there and capture footage ahead of time and all that stuff, and there were there were people in the days ahead they were just streaming the game because they made individual right commitments with Ubisoft two.

Yeah they were so yeah, you know obviously with yeah, like you know, the idea the would show positive coverage, right yeah, I mean you know, like like you know, we didn't get a copy of the Crew, but sure enough on Monday, like IgMs like presented by Ubisoft, like look at us playing the Crew video went up you know, so like yes, obviously that sort of coverage is still going to exists of the Crew. Yeah. Yeah, the tires of the Crew. I would love to get

it. Let's get back into that line, that era of previews. I need a screenshot of a new tire every day. Yeah, tune in tomorrow this we're going to show the level four tires. Yeah. Oh man. Also, here's a stone called Steve Auson screenshot. I don't know, Yeah, that's he's in there. Well. Well yeah, other video games still broken. I've heard that, Drew. Do you have another master Chief update for you haven't tried again? Yea, this very anecdotal podcast. Yeah,

my buddy said it's better, better, but not perfect. Well is it still just matchmaking issues? I've seen all kinds of stuff. I mean, it's not it's not like competitive multiplayer is still the focal point of the problems. But I see people tweeting randomly about like, well, co op crashes every time we play at ya, I've never tried cop yet. Yeah, or you know, there were people going around for a while talking about like

campaign progress getting reset. I've ever bet like weird scripting issues and the campaigns and stuff. Yeah, it sucks. What's going on? Apparently, I can I don't get a game machines shipped earlier than everyone thought they were going to, and all these games are rushed. I can say I talked to someone that I was. I was, I'm allowed to allude to the more that's going out in the game, and the game was extremely rushed. Okay, Project shifted around. That game was accelerated in a way that it was

not intended to be accelerator. What the game was going to be maybe you know, not known until a little bit in and the test environment stuff for that game did not reflect at all what happened in the real world in a way that they were just completely caught by surprise. Now, is that is that a failure of their test design or is that a failure of of something I like, like did they just not not play like test it properly?

Person I talked to wasn't quite sure whether they were, like the line of failure was but that when that game shift although that game from start to finish was hot right when it shipped there, it's not like they shipped to in like who pulled a fast one on everyone, like like they did, they had no idea that it was going to be that fundamentally broken like, which which you know, on one hand, it's like, well, great, they didn't trick everyone with like a game that that was like messed up.

But on the other hand, it's like, how did that get out? How did that? You know, like how does how does that failure in the system occur? It's probably partially of column A that it was rushed and then part of column B and that like just the I don't fire. I don't if it's failure in QA, like stress testing is difficult, the stress testing, but also you know it's stress testing, Like you know, it's

easy to look at it and go like it's just Xbox Live. That thing has worked for like a decade, but they have made significant changes to how a lot of that stuff works and suggesting that's a simple process to figure all this ship and it was they would have flipped a switch and be fun. But yeah, it's you know, like it's fucking crazy that that thing is what it is. Yeah, especially because it's it's not just day one,

it's not just two, it's not like the first week. It's like, you know, are we were approaching, we were approaching a month of this game being out, So how long? And Drive Club has been out? You know, like there's another so Drive Club they gave away the first similar to the Assassins Creed stuff they gave where the first DLC that's out, Now that's just free. Doesn't work, it's just free. I have no idea I download it at all. I don't know why. I'm so how long?

How long was better you've got? I do? I put that big hard about a year? And okay, so that's still kind of be the wreck, right, just like like just fucked up functionality. Well, you know, Battlefield was one of those cases where plenty of people were having no problems, plenty of people were having serious issues, so it was a little less I mean, yeah, like when it was broken. It was broken, but you know, they were it seemed like they were getting there the

whole time. But then also with Battlefield, part of it was the PR approach, which was pretending everything was fine, like then everything's cool, even though all these serious problems, like at least you know, with three for three UB stuff like three three for three is now issued like several maya kulpas did you come across as like heartfelt and not particularly robotic even if but there's a lot of well so, I mean, there is some genuine contrition in

this this latest apology. They finally stepped it up to Bonnie Ross, who was the head three four three. Can't come much higher than Phil Spencer. You're getting outside of the Halo group if you go any higher than her. But she, you know, she posted another big, you know, a more general statement about you know, you haven't received the experience you deserve and etcetera, etcetera. Uh, but it sounds like they're also going to give away free stuff. Yeah, I just wonder what that ended. They don't.

She doesn't go in any detail, but she just says, our primary and continued focus is first on fixing the issues in hand. Once we've done that, we will detail how we will make this right with our fans, which I don't I don't know what that would be. Think of a give out. I'm sure it's gonna be something nice. Season past. Yeah, then get you you know free. I mean Halo five is a year away, so I don't know what they do in the interim, Like, I don't think a free TV show is gonna cut it. No, well,

you know they do have another Spartan whatever whatever. That doesn't seem I'm not saying it's a good. You would free Halo Wars as as a good. So what is new in the Master collection? It's I mean, it's just it's Halo two has been done the same way Halo one was the like select the graphic style. Yeah, and then with three and four are also upgrade. Yeah, they're uprest. And then they have the multiplayer like they have every map all those games and the correct physics per game, and it's done

the one, for lack of a better word, executable. Yeah ok. Yeah yeah, Like if it worked like it's supposed to, it's kind of an amazing problem. Yeah, I agree, Like people like Drew and it's some other like super hardcore Halo fans I know, were like super excited. It sounds like a pretty big feat. Yeah, I'm still excited for it. Can't wait to play it. Yeah, don't telling how long that's gonna

take. I mean they've put out multiple patches where they basically said like, all right, this is the one that's gonna fix it, nip, and then that betas in three weeks, right, yes, yea, which if if you think about like all, like you know, obviously it's terrible that people bought this game and they're not having the time they want it, but it's like it's also like essentially this was the beginning of like the pr campaign for right, a little five stuff leak out ahead of time, Like they

just say everything was on fire all at once for those guys. So it's like like, hopefully by the time the Five's beta starts, you'll be able to you know, actually play the Master shipection because you launched that through you do, Yeah, and like I still have you well I guess maybe I haven't tried, but like that Halo Nightfall stuff is supposed to launch through the Halo channel, and when we tried in the quick look, it just said

like you need to buy a master Chief collection to watch this, Like we are launching it from them, I'm talking about I haven't tried it this last time I did, but oh yeah, you sound enthusiastic this Like it's intentatively enthusiastic. It's a huge franchise for them, Like you don't want to suck that one up. It is the It is going to be the game that

a bunch of kids now with purchasing power, grew up on. Right, is there, Like, oh, the first game I played was Halo and like I love that thing, and like you know, it's their Nintendo, it's their Zelda, and like you are introducing and you're introducing concept. It's totally true that I mean that I think came out and what wouldn't it Halo? They deserve better than so like now you're trying to introduce that series to a bunch of kids on a new console, right, and be like check

out Halo. It's broken, right, And it's like, you know, you're trying to leave people into Halo five. That's terrible. Yep, I feel bad for him. Yeah, it's a shame. You know, I don't know what they do. I mean, if nothing else couldn't they just like credit people like twenty bucks of Xbox Live credit or something. Yeah, they could. I mean I'm just trying to think of twelve bucks. Is it really? Yeah? It was, they think it was. It was

five on Origin for like a day. You know what they could you know, what they could do is they could put out an updated version of the Best Halo Game and give that away for free. Halodest not in the package. The Best Halo Game is not in the package. You can update that, get that jazzy soundtrack. I don't know, would you actually trust them to updated at this point everything else going on? And then if you know, if it's free and they haven't directly attached money to it, or they

gonna actually do a good job. I just want to play an up Residents. Really, you give away something you're already made, you can't you can't put new resources behind make good? Right? Or if they were going to do odst as like an add on to the Master Chief collection and now they just say screw it, finish it and just put it out for free for

everyone. Yeah, I mean, here all these unsolved, like you know, they're they're willing to obviously like take some losses, like you know, the price cuts for the console and stuff like, you know, they're in the middle of trying to sell the console two people generally, you know, like bigger issue is that they can't sit around on this. They can't stowe to their thumbs, like whatever they're gonna do for people that needs to happen soon. Well, they've been writing a lot of apologies, so I don't

think they're sitting on their thumbs at least. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, just the larger issue of games shipping broken, you know in an extravagant way that they that we haven't seen in a good long time. Last last year that had a pretty good run at it, how many how many games between but it was like but it was like basketball and it was Battlefield, right, well, it was something that was launch, and it was something that was it was lunch. It was something that was happening where it was

a big deal. And I feel like now it's more like, oh, this is still lappening. How many games have you guys played this year that had multiple hard crash problems like in this is where you had to reboot the system multiple times while playing Throat. The ones that I had were related to that two point er firm where on the PS four but that was it,

so it was kind of Sony's fault. Okay, Yeah, I've had like like multiple review games where I'm just like, oh, hey, here are semi repeatable crash bugs that just seem to keep happening, game stopping and that's the kind of stuff that like it happened every once in a while in the past, but usually that ship was the kind of stuff that they wouldn't let you through sert because of Yeah, and yeah, yeah, when I wonder if like the consoles themselves are slightly half baked in that sense, Yeah,

it's like if like that's the thing that that two point o firm made me kind of realize, like, man, like maybe some of this stuff is just not ready for prime time to begin with, and they're just fucking making it up as they go, because if they can put out firmware that breaks like multiple upcoming games and the existing games and exist and some existing games just

keep functions of the system. Like EA was sending out messages to reviewers saying, don't play the PS four version of Dragon Age and it is broken, it will corrupt your save don't do it two point. Oh, don't do it? Like how does that happen? Like like how right? I had a weird thing with Sunset Overdrive where I downloaded enough to start playing it yeah, and then let me play it and then it said it finished and then didn't open up any of the story missions. While I was playing, I

was just running around doing those trials. I'm like, this is fuck Brad dumb, but this guy kind of sucks. Like I'm just running literally and like no missions. I'm like to the point where I'm like this game can't be this bad. I have to go look something up. Uh, And it was oh, you know first mission here, I'm like, what the

fuck is going on? I did delete it, download it again, the tire game downloaded again, didn't play it, and then as soon as I booted it up, it was the dude being like, hey, go here, we're getting I'm gonna make you a namp and do whatever it happened. You probably could have just a leader to save. I want to just hit start and like closed the game. No booted, like pull the power out, like the whole thing to be like this is, you know, trying

to get that thing working. Try to blow on the disc you know all that ship. Yeah, when I played D four, the same thing happened, and which like it gave me the indicator like hey, you can start playing, which I figured I had that too, where it's like, okay, I'll just jump in and play like whenever the first twenty minutes till like hopefully keep floating or it tells me to to wait. And jumped in and it said like, hey, you need to purchase the episodes. It's like,

well I did, Okay, I'm ready to go. So I backed out, shut down the application, waited for it to finish, jump back in, and it said, hey you should think about personal yeah, you know, and then I started it over like shut down, the machine turned it back on like everything hard, reset and we're all good to go. Lach is a hate thing about my beause I had that problem with resu Gun when they put out that resume on Heroes Update, where it just never acknowledged

that I had purchased that DLC and I could redownload. The whole thing is many times I want I don't know it. The PS four has a function, and I forget what it's called, something like rebuild licenses. Oh right, yeah, get that store licenses. Yeah, store licenses, that's what

it is. But you know, the three sixty used to have problems where you like it would think you were playing the trial version of an xpla game that you had bought and stuff like that that was like user like multi users on one system, and sometimes it would just get confused, like your you're the local copy wasn't but you can. It seem like you can usually just go to like purchase full game and open and clothes and go, oh you got it. Yeah, it would, it would do stuff like that.

But I feel like a lot of developers have been subverting that, like I don't know what the colloquial name for the like play as soon as it's ready thing yea where like like you get that on the PS four a lot where you put in a disc and the bar will fill up super fast when you watch the game, but it's done and send you to an install screen like Destiny did it. GT five does it. It's like GTA five is the most nasty deceptive one My understanding of GT five Did you download it? I

did? Okay? Is this how it works? So when you put the disk in, that bar fills in like twenty seconds. So I downloaded it entirely and as it doesn't do the same thing. Sold. Yeah, it downloads like a six hundred meg file that is the game. And then I'm like that can't be right, so I boot it up. It starts downloading. It starts out the game while that loading screen is on where it's like all that like the character stuff makes it that game loading screen. It took

out that game. That game is over fifty gig and you have to be in the games. Yeah, so you just have to dedicate that. So it downloads enough for you to launch the application, but then it downloads the entire game after you do it serve you ads or something while I was doing it, if if But there it's a case to just keep downloading in the background and not force you to run the games so you can exit out of there. And I think it'll it'll keep telling as long as it's like running

somewhere in the background. I mean, I think Destiny did the same thing, right, No, or do did? No Destiny would do a full install, uh like from there, sure you didn't have to launch Destiny to get the download started. I feel like that, Well, it was during the the initial Like I bought that on a disc, so yeah, I have it on disc. Also. I don't know, I just I feel like I feel like a lot of develop developers are not using that feature as

intended. Yeah, it sounds like Sony requires it for like a QA thing is like, hey, you have to build this in and they're saying like, hey, we're not gonna build you know, we're not gonna We'll do it, but it's not exactly what. To be fair, certain games are not given to that type of access, Like like an open world game, you kind of need the whole oven world. They're off the bat if you're

gonna be able to run around and stuff. But I don't know, I would appreciate a little more care being given to the messaging on stuff like that. Yeah, I like like some of the features of that are interesting, Like you know, Call of Duty when you buy it digitally and you go to download it, asks you if you want to prioritize single hillyer a multiplayer. Oh wow, that was one of those things that so it does that you know, you can pick multiplayer and it'll download seven gigs and you know

it'll download single player in the background. I almost wish you could do like you can on Steam and just say like, hey, don't download the single player because I don't need it, Uh, save me the space, but it will eventually complete the download. Sure. So I'm looking at something here. It is rewards dot Xbox dot com slash my missions. It says,

relive Halo now with legendary rewards. What hail to the master Chief this December when you're you're invited to earn fifteen thousand rewards credits when you pick up Halo games, add ons and videos asterisk from the Xbox Store. Embrace your intersparting with the Halo Master Collection, Halo videos and more. There's no better time to relive the Hailo experience. Claim your reward. I disagree with that. Does anyone know what reward credits are? I think you can eventually turn them

into Xbox Live dollars like thing rewards. The if you use Bang as a search engine, you get like this fake current. It's it's a separate it's a separate program. It's not literally trying to pay you to use Bang. Yeah, the rewards on Xbox dot Com has been around for a long time. Like they they like have surveys that turn into reward points, and you know, if you hit certain tiers with it. I think I don't know, right, it's impressive or it's you know, that's part of the medic

what. But it's karate rupees, so don't worry about it. Okay, December first through December thirty first, So I don't think they're retroactive. I don't know. I just saw that Westland twittered a couple more very quick stories to get through before we move on. Kojima is premiering quote metal Gear online at the Game Awards this week. What do you think that is? I think it's d MGS five multiplayer, but maybe I'm wrong. That sounds right,

that makes sense. I think I don't give a shit Gear multiplayer, like all come on, like another thing called meta Girl, Well that's the thing. The multiplayer in MGS four was called metal Gear on the right. I mean, it's just it's gonna be that again, but better graphics. I mean it's just which it was never good, I mean, having no subsistence for it was never great. Where where is he doing? Did you

the Game Awards? Okay, the Jeff Keeley the Video Game Awards. I'm curious Drew, You've spent much of the last two months playing Medal gear games. Have you even thought of the idea of wanting to play a multiplayer No, no, that's not it pops into my mind. Is like Spies versus Marks. The only I mean, the only thing I'll say in his favor is that I think that the Ground zero is plays better than any Medal Gear game. Yeah, like like buy a country fucking mile. Like the shooting

is competent, the movement is competent, Like it feels pretty good. Rat with shooters and movers is competency. That's that's what we're looking for, not except Meal gear games. In a serious that's saying yeah, I mean yes, when we look at the old medical games, to play that game and just like not even think about like, oh this field's clunky, you're outdated.

Like to just play it, right, I think it. You know, I would like them to go just super weird with it, But yeah, who knows, who knows what it's gonna because this is they don't do that well. Everybody plays a boss or something like that Big Boss Rush. Just thinking of like a little gold statue of Jeff Keeley holding a BlackBerry, just staring at it. That's that's what you win get. Yeah, that's that's your wine. Well great, Uh, last story that I've got.

Destiny patch came out today, Yeah, yesterday, I should say, I'm sorry. We are one week out from the release of The Dark Below, the first expansion for Destiny, The Dark Below the Dark yes, the Dark Below or the Dark Below Underneath. Less interested, but then you immediately made me start wondering what Dark Blow is. It's like, it's a Destiny drug. I'm really curious. We'll give you a Graham for two strange coins.

Those friend prices, yeah, no, friend prices are one strange coming is the only show up once a week though, Yeah, you're we you can farm it, but there's a lot of processing. So that's the only reason I even brought this up because I barely played Destiny in the last month. But this patch basically lops hours off of the end game. Ground sounds like this, It sounds like the thing they do to Wow, you're saying there's no better time to get no better time They basically I mean for people who

didn't spend a lot of time in the Destiny end game. There are a bunch of materials that you have to run around the world finding to upgrade your endgame gear. They have now made it so you can just go buy those materials from vendors in the town. Because it's like when you were getting helium, like ring around. You can buy helium for like an actual pittance. It's like it's not pen band guards pretty cheap, which is like you get

thought that, Yeah, you could get that in there capped. So there's a weekly limit on how many Vanguard marks you can get out of it. No, what Brad is someone who collected a whole bunch of helium? Yeah, I mean, hey, man, helium was a lot of fun. And don't even get me started on Relic Iron. What a good time. Fuck Relic Iron. That's just the worst. I didn't spend as we're like,

I'll come on, I wasted a lot of time. Yeah, it sucks that I but I mean I if I had to put a number on it, I bet I ran around for like two hours cumulatively on the moon looking for that shit. Like I know people who've done way more than that. Because I did not max my characterized at a certain points said fuck this, but yeah, it's totally the it's totally the wow expansion thing of like, let's make the previous content. We wondered if they were going to trivialize

the content, and it just seems content. They just made the ramp shorter. I didn't expect it to happen so fast. Do you think part of that might be driven by a lot of people just hitting a wall and going yeah, I wonder if their numbers are down and this is like a way to get them back in prior to or I don't if I don't make them indicating that the content and that expansion is going to be high level, that's

maybe a problem. I bet, like most expansions just trivialize everything, right as soon as it comes out, Yeah, you'll just get better here, yeah, yeah, in your first draw. I mean, the expansion content has to be leveled appropriately for like returning player, Like they can't say, hey, you gotta be thirty to play this ship because like you know, there's a bunch of people that are just excluded from that, right, But uh yeah, I mean there's still aspects of it that require a lot of

grinding. It's only for exotic weapons that they have reduced a lot of the requirements, which is what fourth the gear that you're using, Exactly, It's it's you know, one weapon, one arm or slot can be taken up with exotics at a given time. So I just, I just I didn't expect these types of changes to happen before new contents start coming out. I know it's when age we live in Jason is distraught by this new I don't

I don't think. I don't think you necessarily have to look at it as like a reactive move, like we're losing people, we got to get them back. It's just you know, we're raping. Yeah, that's that stuff shouldn't have been they have begun Well yeah, yeah, you're right, But then who would still be playing in Destiny? Like everybody would have hit thirty? Why shouldn't exactly? I mean there's no good reason for that, like

out like putting it a bunch of bullshit, grind stop. I'm not saying it's not a good reason to keep saying that, right, it's just you know, that's why they did it, Like maybe they should have put some more fucking missions or another planet in that game. Hey you're in Luck next Tuesday? Three missions? Yeah, problems solid, guys, what are they adding they're not oh these missions are on the moon primarily. Oh great, I'm I'm fuck that game. Decited to play more concent in that game.

Of course you are. I will also bullish whatever you're gonna play that ship. I will also play that. You fucking launch testimony this morning. That's because you said a patch was that. I told you were both fascious about what it was, and then I saw what they did, and I think we both went yeah, fuck, God damn it. Yeah, yeah, I should probably go max that Suros though. Emails, emails, emails, the first email from Charles, I haven't even know where to send them.

God damn it. I was getting to that. I was just going to say that the first email Earl's got summed up almost verbatim at the end of the Broken Games discussion, so I'm going to skip it. It was about, hey games, we're broken last year too. It's not a new trend some city battlefield, right, it's not a new trend. It's just a trend that it's not just the a anymore. Congratulations to be soft. You're

in the big league. Maybe next year, Activision. Yeah, that was a nice reminder that you know this is not a new phenomenon, so that makes it worse somehow. Anyway, bombcastt give on dot com is the email address where you would send the emails? Okay, if you want them to be read, all write that down on this podcast? It was did you write it down? Nd x b R dot M Okay, I forgot the emails. I don't know. I'm glad that you're here to serve as official

stenographer for the podcast. I don't take notes like Patrick does anybody else? Right down the email address? Somebody help? I heard bomb cast bump kit, bump kit, bomp Bumpcast's where you get the dark blow. This is not bombast right part? Okay, Well, since our family style cast, uh, since our first series email got cannibalized, I'm gonna have to start with Paul from Oregon, who says subject line I miss Vinnie one exclamation mark

only one email body, I miss Vinnie three exclamation call me. I wonder if I wonder if you'd like to respond to that? Who is that? Paul Paul from Oregon? Ali Paul exclamation Hi Paul, Hi, Paul, see you in Oregon. No. I neglected to mention that it was also all caps, so oh wow, really meant Hi, Paul, there you go, great, appropriate, excellent. He's in a fred Meyer somewhere here.

Uh. David from Los Angeles. I recently saw the Star Wars teaser and I felt a ton of nostalgia, not for the movies, but actually for the games, which are a big part of my childhood teen years. Games like Expling, Alliance, the Dark Forces series, Republic, Amando, and Cotur are some of the best games and their respective genres. It's crazy to think there hasn't really been a good Star Wars game since the end of two thousand and five, with Republic, Comando, Cotre two, and Battlefront

two all coming out within a year of each other. My question is, are there any Star Wars games you guys want to see made or or Star Wars games played out like World War Two games? Thirteen thirteen Force at least three Squadron? Did you like to god they made a two though? Right? Was right? He was manageable, Mark Squadron? Was I feel like that was a game that is beloved by people that were kids when that came out? Yeah, I was, yes, it was a little bit.

I still pretty great. Did anybody not like the Empire like that. I think that games sort of size. I love, I don't like it was the Empire. It is a clunky fuckings. Yeah, that is what a great name. Yeah, and the out run. Don't don't forget about Prince She's or Oh yeah, I'm sorry they never forgot about She's or the spie Prince She's or his rap album and flooring me. Not to forget about the Prince She's or I would love with Prince She's day and everybody's celebrating, I

would. I would play Yeah, keep going with current gin hof, I would play another one of those. Didn't they made layer right? That team? Yeah, Factor five sucks. That would have sucked. They and there they are no longer five. Last game, Squatching three was not great, that's true. That Leader That's two. One was that the on Foot one where you're like going up into the at s and sah. That one wasn't great. Yeah, it was the There was the like Age of Empires RTS

game that was pretty good. There was Grounds Battlegrounds. Yeah, yeah, Galactic battle Ground was Rebel Assault, what a great game Rebel Assault and uh well the Jeda nin games are pretty good. Yeah, that was another good. There's another RTS was it Galaxy Masters of R three D one? Yeah, Forceman First Commander. Yeah, Star Wars games, a lot of Star Wars games. I just haven't played episode one. Racer. That's good. That was pretty good. That was not a sec bomb the arcade. Yeah,

Racer is fucking incredible. Segon made one where you actually have hy that was Yeah, that's a cool SPI Ridential arcade. I remember the PC version of Racer that I played not being the worst game, and he wasn't. It was one of those things where it's like, man, I got a good three D car. This looks nice. Yeah. Yeah, benefits of that a good sense speed. It wasn't. Battle Grounds? Is that the

front Front? The one that they promised where you can fly between the world and this guy, this guy has included what he refers to as a mini rant about battle Front If you want to hear it, Sure you haven't hear the mini rant. I was hopeful for a resurgence in Star Wars games when I heard about a new Battlefront, but then I heard Dice is making it, so it'll probably be way less fun than the other games in the series.

Those games were pretty much Bttlefield anyway. Well, yeah, it'll probably be more like Battlefield, thus removing a lot of the crazy power trip fantasy stuff from Battlefront one and two and replacing it with completely underwhelming map destruction, tons tons of dust, tons of dustin bloom, a weapon unlocked system that will allow people to put red dot sites on lightsabers, and we'll have and

we'll have space levels available only to people who have the season past. Is this person on the dice team that ran actually got a little bit good close to Yeah? Yeah, I'm still up for game. I'm really curious to see what they do with it. I don't mean take some dust game. I'm most curious about that visceral game. Oh, I'm real curious to see what that's gonna be like. Yeah, that trailer was awesome. Yeah, yeah, you liked it. I don't know. Fucking broad sword shit.

People are super pissed about the light Shut up. Nobody said a fucking word about the double ended one. Yeah. People are saying it's unsafe and unrealistic to have a hilt on a light. Say it's red. He's a bad guy. I don't care about safety. It's a goddamn sword made of light. For fuck's sake, they're already fan edited trailers on YouTube that have like cut out the little hilt and people are your own worst enemies. Yeah, I can't make a jerking off motion big enough. I mean, I agree

it's a poor design choice, but it looks pretty cool. Yeah, pretty cool, And I'd always go back to like there is so much more dumb shit in Star Wars, Like I feel like people get up their own ass, you mean, like most of Star Wars. I feel like you like, like we're like I'm terrible, Like what you know, we're arguing about garbage here, Like of course it's gonna be I didn't say that. Like

the trailer looks pretty good. The trailer looks like something they can finally get this thing back on track, and you go like, all right, cool, and you know who did it? The guy that made Star Trek good again, right, well, not so much that set in one whatever the first second movies also doesn't matter. Is it making the second Star Wars film? True? All right? Yes? Made luper is right? Yeah,

Rian Johnson awesome. But like you go back to the original ones and you have like Chewbacca the Giant, like you know, Gorilla thing shooting a crossbow that shoots a lasers. That's like, that would be fucking dumb. I don't think that was in the movies. He had a crossbow. I don't think in the movies. I think he's a bowcaster. I don't think that was in the movies. I don't think he ever shot lasers out of that thing in the movie. I'm pretty sure that's a video game thing. When

he is, he is shooting his bookster and he's got a bandolier. He'aking and we's a bandolier. He never takes off. He's like his hair is his clothes. Anyway, Yes, more Star Wars. Does everybody feel good now? I mean you can't flow the city in the clouds anyway, that's not real old space. Where are the bathrooms? Just like in Star Wars? Who needs a bathroom? Just like cut a hole in the floor, like where's it gonna go? Who care? Just poop into the sky?

Who cares? Because a ship? Because you're even a ground down there planet is we know it's a giant collective of all the racation. Somebody on the planet becomes, it becomes a layer in the ozone. God, we need more of that's the That's the one with his writing is that when they descend, Yeah, yeah, he's right in the real nuts and bolts. One, it's like where do people go to the bathroom? As these questions feeling in all the lower holes. He's got this whole scene of just like,

hang on, I've got to take a leak. Okay, let's go, and then people are like that totally wouldn't work. That's crazy looking at the lights screen right as they push a button on R two D two and then just pops open. Just pee in there? Why not? Why would he have to run on suffroom with solar powered? What the fuck? That is a great ideas. Robots are people pedroids? See three p are two deep Yep, nailed it. Okay, I got a job moving on two. So unhappy right now? One Auntie from Finland, Hi, I have a

couple of questions. If Internet had a smell, what would it be? I'm gonna say burning tires, dried semen s under a theater seed hugo boss. There's other question? Why why are fantasy dwarves always Scottish because they were that's their class. Why engineers always build turrets they're not in dragon age. Right, Mmm, they're gruff. Yes, I think they're just what's correct, But I think, I think and they're also no way off here. But I think in the Tolkien universe, you know, it is very much

those races represent. Yeah. So wait, the Elves, the fair people of England, the Elves were I think? No, No, the Irish, I'm sorry, they're the fair people of Ireland. Yes, I've met some Irish people. They're not that, they're not that fair, they're not that, they're not that mystical. There here's a pointing. It's weird. So wait, I mean, who are who are the Orcs? Are they the Welsh? The French? Probably? Okay? Actually, isn't that where

like talken like? Yeah, I think that's the part we don't talk about. I'm pretty sure the Orcs are are like Nazi Germany. I thought are supposed to be like lower class like you actually don't think we want to go there. Let's not have this conversation and blogs about that all right? Then in that case, I have to read another email. Okay, uh, Andrew from Maryland? How long do you think the PS three and three sixty

servers will stay up? Also, with everyone's PlayStation Plus and games with gold growing backlogs with these games just become unavailable if not already downloaded through the console. I assumed trophies and achievements from these games would no longer unlocked one's profile once the servers are shut down. I mean, he thinks, you know, he's kind of in a roundabout way saying like how long will the online

services for the old consoles be around? I think this stuff like hopefully when they were building the infrastructure for the current consoles, they were at least sort of thinking about that sort of stuff, and they may not have to shut it down. You can't even get snapped to work right, fair enough, fair enough. At some point they had to slash and burn everything. I'm

sure, But yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know that we lost stuff on the original Xbox when Xbox Live went down with you know, they had that Xbox Live arcade disc that was like you can buy Miss pac Man from a store using this disc, uh and various DLC. I think they charged for them as Halo maps at one point, didn't they. Yeah? Yeah, so at some point I want you want to have it download it basically like the short the short answer is buy a big hard drive.

If you think that stuff's gonna well, I guess you can't really do that on those systems, I guess, but I bet everything. They will revisit almost every UH franchise sell it to you again, yes, in congratulations, probably version of let's do it like God, God forbid. We get into a situation where they are deprecating the previous online service every time a new one comes out, you know what I mean. The first Xbox Alive was kind of like half formed to begin with, so you can see why they

would take that one down. But like, yeah, but at some point you can't keep it all up and running. No, I mean, if you're using the same infrastructure across the board, then yeah, you absolutely can. But there's probably I mean it can. I don't have no idea. Who knows how that stuff works. I mean, you know, anecdotally, I have heard that anecdotally. I think that the PS four infrastructure is maybe too similar infrasture totally with you there, but I mean, you know they

both have commons separate folder on some side. I mean, I still can't change my PSN name, just add it just is that anecdotal Let me change the name. I'll pay you. They know that, they know that people will pay. Just out a field. Here's how I think you can do it in Japan. No, no, no, if you can do it somebody, there is something core to the way the PSN stuff is done on

PS three that makes that incredibly difficult. So on a go forward basis, just create another like line in your database that is current PSN name and just you know, like let people you know just nick names or something. Well they use real name for some stuff. But look, I'm not it's it's it's not worth it for me to explain the actual technical how I have solved this problem in my mind, not not knowing anything about the infrastructure, but

it would totally work. You would not believe how many people I know who get very emotional about wanting to change their PSN names. But I know a lot of Like I can think of two people in this room who have expressed it's a shitty name. I pull it off a poster in my wall, right, I mean about a decade later. It's not it's not enough that we're like losing purchases when systems go down. I lost purchases when I didn't want to use the name game spotting anymore. Suddenly that name didn't fit me

anymore. Well, and instead of actually solving the problem, I just went with giant bombing. So that's just pant forward. I don't know how realistic this is, but then this is I'm just pulling this out of thin air. But if something like you know, the three sixty, I'm sorry, that was that was my Oh my god, it's rubbing on the microphone, still happening. I hate these microphones. If they if they were, we don't have to keep using them. Oh god, damn it all only another

like, sorry, twenty hours of podcasting with these things. Just take your jacket off like I'm doing right now. Ope, this is actually not working because of the way the cables are run. Trap. I'll wear my jacket.

Look, you're a prisoner. All I was gonna say was if they could maybe rig it so that they're like like virtualizing the three sixty version of Xbox Live, you know, where they don't have to believe a bunch of servers running all the time, but they can spin them up as as load increases and stuff like that, like whenever I want to play a wick Fable of Souls yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, just let them fifteen minutes

in advance they get the servers up. But you know, it would be nice if if ins in like relative perpetuity, the stuff remained available the power of the clouds. So yeah, totally. I mean at a certain point, losing access to purchases and stuff like that, and it's one of those things like you know, I think it's like people look at the where Windows is and I assume, like it just doesn't happen on the PC. There's

no guarantee, yeah, that that will continue. The one thing that's different on the PC though, is that you have if there is a passionate enough community, fan bases will figure out a way to make that game right. Like the systems talk too. Again that just recently got like a proper renovation, but that the other Looking Glass games have had fan communities making that stuff work for Well, it's a little harder with player servers, but like they're

doing that too. Yeah, you know, like you can play the Dreamcast version of Fantasy Star Online on like private servers if you try hard enough. It's insane, but you can do it. If you've been doing that, haven't you. I've playing it on the PC. I've been playing Blueburst running a private server that is local to that machine, and I edited the drop tables so everything in the first zone drop spread needles like plus, it's fucking

great. I did that like a year ago. People are sick. I also ran a World of Warcraft private server for an afternoon and it was fun because you could just type you could target something and type slash kill and it would die, and it was like, man, I should be a GM this is fun. Have been. There was I can't remember the name of it. There was a service that you could a very small steam like surface.

We could buy games that has gone out of business. I can't remember the name of a bit of bad like three games from the game gamers Gate. It was a gamer's game. No, they're still around bummer for that.

I can't remember what the it was. But like, I feel like there have been things that have just disappeared and then yeah, but also you know like at some point, like you know, don't we top out on this architecture someday and at some point they have to just say, hey, we're making the next version of Windows for this entirely different CPU that breaks compatibile and we can get there, Like the enterprise concerns would be grave. I think that it seems like they've bolted on, you know, up to sixty

four. What else do they need to do? Though Quake Servers is still up. Yeah, Quake servers are still up. I think I think you reasonably if they could run the three sixty MP three stuff till the next generation of machines, like if it's if the PS four and Xbox for whatever, like that would be a time then I think you'd be fifteen twenty years into those machines that I think that I think the outcry would I think the outcry

would be really minimal at that point. But I think that there's something to be said for kind of the historical for sure, the side of this stuff stuff. And that's I mean, honestly, like if we're getting into the historical nature of games that are not meant to last, and it's to that slash and burn stuff, like we're looking to pirates to save the day.

Yeah, and when we always have been its ads like pirates and hobbyists and you know, people that are willing to be like, well we're gonna dump this rom, We're gonna find we're gonna go bias to tell of you e proms off of eBay and hope that we find the game we're looking for because they're all unmarked none of them work. And then we're going to try to

piece together these weird audio broadcasts that came off a satellite like that. You know, like people are willing to go to extreme lengths for some of this stuff. But I don't know that. I you know, like it doesn't apply to every single game, like you know, it's not like every single MMO that ever lived has an active private server community. Like I think you can technically play the Matrix online, but I don't know that they've actually built

the quests or any of that stuff. Last time, I looked something like like Asheron's Call that Microsoft MMMO like that when they introduced two, they shut down one and the community hated too, right, so they brought to this day to this day like like the ash call community just figure out to way to Oh they did themselves. They didn't micro stuff, Okay, I thought they sorry, no, no, no, the communitys figured out and they

still like an active player base. Yeah yeah game. And that's it's weird because it's like one of those things that is gray area, quasi legal at best and all that sort of stuff. But at some point, like you know, like it's why I don't worry too much about like game preservation stuff in this people are like, don't you worry about all your digital persons? Like no, someone will take care of it. Yeah, it'll get it'll get emulated sometimes. Yeah, I'm pretty complex. Yeah, yeah, three

D things. I don't know how easy that would be. I mean, the original Xbox has not been well emulated. Yeah, did they figure out the Saturn? Yes, I'm not completely, not completely, But it's the games that they can you can view the menu or something like that. You can play Fighters Mega Mix, so it's done, all right. I got no argument against that. It's a car that can stand up. Throw on the car is to put the fucking dude's face to the wheel, one of

the wheels on the car. The pand is pretty good too, because when he attacks, he goes. Yeah, just like like inflatable bear man. That that what a great game. I'm holding out for PEPSI man, we all are. He's only in the Why have the Japanese version fights Megaya? I know? Kind of sucker, all right, Elliott from Hertford. Sure the UK, says I come from the UK, Okay, and as such, I'm not too familiar with such things. All I've heard is that hillbillies

or white trash. He puts those both in quotes, eat exclusively from bad fast food places, love American flags, wrestling and drinking, can be pretty slovenly, and are fans of awful movies. Patrick, They're gonna start talking about you here. I know that's yeah, that's true. I don't know. I'm really starting love the site, and to be clear, I'm a big fan of Dan and his mad cap ways. Sorry. Also thanks me for quote great hosting. I think I lost the subject line Jason, you

write this one? Did you just claim to be from the UK? Yeah? Sorry, man, I think move to get this off. The subject line was something of the effect of like is Danny hillbilly or something like that? Hillbillies and like Western Kansas, that's it's all super rural. I was very much just like there's no class, there's yeah, well so what do you what do you? What would you define a hillbilly as to somebody who does not know? I think I haven't really seen the show, but like

when you see stuff like Duck Dynasty or Larry the Cable Guy. I think those are like parodies that those Billy Jim well just his name, the overall big beard, yeah yeah, yeah, the overalls with no shirts. That's usually number one signifier. Yeah. Teeth, he might have something on. I guess I think one. You're a lot of people are missing one teeth. Okay, all right, as long as it's not like a front stoeth. Yeah. Yeah. I've always seen it as like rednecks for like country

boys driving the trucks and stuff. Hillbillies were like actual like like hill folk. Yes, I feel like Hillbillies a scary ports somewhere it's going mountain, Yeah, like a lot like rocking chairs, Yeah, a lot of rocking chairs. We drove, me and my dad drove to the Jack Daniels Distillery

outside of Nashville. I went through a bunch of like back roads and woods and stuff, and there is a concerning amount of people through the woods there that all they do is they're just sitting on a lawn chair in front of their house just looking at the road. They're not reading anything, They're just looking at a road. Dude, that as a country way of living man. That's that's where there any where there any cars up on cynder blocks in

the front yard. I think they're actually were. Yeah, I'm gonna saying I think my finding hillbilly item is a banjo. Yeah, I think if you annoying hillbilly j yes, yeah, yeah, or you know, like blowing on the jug and a sort of rhythmic okay, now yes, and now we're like overalls, no shoes and a floppy you know, I would say, I would say a fiddle is up there? Okay, not a violin of sure? Have you seen deliverance? Pretty much like that sort of

unnerving cackling laugh. Sure. Maybe a mop pole in a bucket with a string on it. That's a base for the good job. Yeah. Thanks, I really got it, you know, I'm all about that. I mean, most of it was so low my years couldn't Yeah, yeah, it was really I appreciate. I appreciate the hip Tom for Brighton also UK, I have a question for Jeff. Dear Jeff, how does it feel to be nominated for the inaugural Trending Gamer Award alongside four guys with made up

fucking names? Much love Tootle pip. I don't know. So that's so I was a judge for those awards. Uh And when presented with that category, it was presented as like best YouTube Personality and miss YouTube slash Online Personality, and it was not listed as trending gamer I believe. So one of the things you can do is a nominee is if you're not familiar with the category, they don't want you to just like fill in a bunch of junks.

So I didn't write anything in. But at this time, no, no, no, no, this was like them and so I may I'm trying to remember if I wrote my own name in as a joke or if I just in the when I was sending the votes back just said like I almost wrote myself in there five times because I thought it'd be funny. Anyway, see you here's my here's my picks, and then I don't. So that makes me wonder if like one of the other judges picked me because I

think that's funny. So I have no idea that whole thing. Yeah, like I whatever, that category seems like a poor choice in general, whatever seems like a good response. Yeah, yeah, that that thing is is funny and silly. And fan voted, So I don't know, like on one level you look at it and go like, I'm like the last bastion of video game website men being served up to the YouTube kids or something like that. But whatever, it's whatever. I think it's funny that that picture

got pulled. I don't know, like that picture resurfacing yet again. It's pretty fucking hilarious technically, I mean it remains true, yes exactly. I'm as someone who's technically on YouTube when it but but you know it when it came out the other end, it was just trending gamer, which I think there are You know, if that was the name of the category from the get go, it could have come up with five names and they wouldn't have been anybody that's on that list. SIG sixty six, yep, SIG sixty

six, hot trend, It's true. Connor from Syracuse keeps the Game Awards train rolling. I was looking at the nominees and was surprised that one of the categories was the Best Remastered Game. Do you guys really think this is a legitimate category to give out an A War two? And should the Master Chief Collection even be nominated for this category? It also says, where the

fuck is a strategy game? Because there's no strategy game category. I'm guessing that nomination was put in there before anyone really knew with the problems with that there. Yeah, that's yeah, by and large, I think that's that's probably the case. I like standard answer is like, it's, you know, a testament to what happened to this year that there are enough remastered games like that to put in the category. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And you know, then you get into like, is that a trend

that should be rewarded with an award? And I think that's up for debate. But if you're gonna do it, it is what it is. If you're gonna do it, do it well, right. So if you're gonna you're gonna bring that stuff back, just don't do a crappy job on it. Yeah. Sure, it's like Last of Us. That was Last of Us was really good, Like yeah, GT, you could argue isn't even remastered because it's probably a year old, but but that Last of Us was

not especially old. Like they're I mean, they're both like CUSP games, you know, they both got made at the tail end of that hardware, like they're you know, like kind of yes of the best. At some point you just call it fanciest port, at least with like, you know, some of the sony stuff like Flower, like if you'd already bought that game, Like here, here's a fancy that's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think coming up with the categories for award shows and having

them be relevant is difficult, and you know that's yeah. The same time, it is a tad alarming. Remember I have no input on the categories for the number of types of games out there, though. Uh. Andrew from Athens, Georgia has a pretty cool email. When I was a kid, my dad worked as an accountant for Cadbury Schwepps Incorporated what was then the

Canada Dry Slash sun Kiss division. It's quite a division. At the time, a big focus of the industry was Mountain dews stranglehold on Males fifteen thirty five. I remember my dad coming back from a trade show and talking about rumors that Coke was working on an md K or mountain dew killer. The key elements of the recipe were fairly simple. Citrus and caffeine. Okay, the citrus isn't just necessary to copy calf to do. Caffeine is bitter,

and citrus helps mask when you've added more. As I understand it, the recipe Coke settled on was actually an amped up version of Fresca, which relied on grape fruit juice for its citrus. Now they use bitter orange juice to cut costs, but it still has twice as much caffeine as a coke. And what and what is what drink are we talking about? I'm not clear who put out what did Coke put out in the nineties? Similar to Mountain dew? Are you are you? Are we talking about surge? I don't

know, Okay, yeah, yeah, Surge is a Coke product. Because ship this maybe another issue where the subject line might have clarified this. He does not mention surge in this in the body of this thing, but I think that's what he's talking about, drinking surge right now. I don't like I'm having this. I'm having this another kind of surge. I kind of realized it when we were most of the way through that can last week. I don't like search, I don't hate Surge is really ineffensive for the most

party, Like what if you just drink one can? Of it. It's not the worst. It's I think it's because I only drink diet sodas now and that's the that's the sweetness profile I'm looking for, Like surges too sugary, too sweet, Like I just don't like it. Benny hasn't heard of it surge before. Never it was nice the late nineties and like now it's kind of this novelty thing that they put it back on Amazon, so everyone's like a late nineties and maybe late nines. Like the only caffeinated like thing

was Jolt. I feel like when in the nineties that was more. That was actually like late eighties, early nineties was more that was in junior high when when Jolt Jolt hit the scene. Yeah, I like that. I was on I was in junior high when Jolt hit the scene, and it destroyed my ability to process caffeine in a way that like nothing like right it

could like sodas don't amp me up at all. To the Jolt was like a big deal, Like kids were getting high on jilt, Like you know, gotta get these kids off that Jolt and now it's just you know, they were definitely like scared, like you know, you're kids you're getting ahold of it. Doesn't isn't isn't jill whole thing like, it's one milligram over the limit. There was not like it. I don't think another big was a limit. Really, they probably lied and said there wasn't. I thought

there was one. Caffeine and sugar. It just always kind of double the caffeine a regular cola. It was. It was kind of their thing. And yeah, I mean because it wasn't. The flavor was not mass like you taste it. It was like, yeah, sure enough, we'll get to the search can. It's orange juice concentrate is one of the top ingredients. I like frasca, Like a really heavily caffeine as a fresco would be pretty good. I like the m DK. Yeah. Do you remember DNL

upside down seven up? Yep? That was really stupid. Yeah, that wasn't really stupid. That was really stupid. Some people wrote in about Okay Cola. I'm not sure where that's from. Yeah, I'm not sure what territory that is. I don't think it's here the sub brand of Okay Cupid. I just liked the idea of a mountain dew killer. Sure is that what they're talking about in Demolition Man. Yeah, okay, yep, absolutely not a shiny game m DK yep, yea. It is indeed a buyower

game. One of them was Zach from Kansas City. I just listened to your latest podcast and you had an email talking about Double Fine and them canceling a game. I've heard that two out of three games and never see the light of day. Where does that game go? Sure, some assets might get reused or tools repurposed, but is that the usual course of action? Do publishers ever demand the assets and tech? Do they have contracts forcing them

to wipe the drives? Just curious and wondered if you guys knew anything or if any developers out there can spill the beans. This is first specific games. Well, it started because Double Finne had those layoffs, because they had a publisher cancel a project. I think it probably depends on whatever contracts, like, you know, whatever, you know, whatever deal they did. Sure, I feel like all of those things are none of those things.

Yeah, It's like there's a couple of high profile cases of like I mean, you know Copernic because is probably the biggest one where Rhode Island was trying to auction off the assets or the work he'd have been done. What was the the what game? Did Disney cancel? Pirates and Care of Pirates? Yes, that's game that Who was making that? It was the Turrok people. Yes, uh like that Spiracy Entertainment Like you played that, right,

wasn't played? Pirates seems cool? Yeah, I don't know how much of a slice it was, but like they Yeah, they showed that off at a pre E three event and Pirates seemed good like that one. That's another one. It was like open world sailing, like you know, you look at Assassin's Creed. I bet that a lot of people that worked on Pirates when fucking Black Flight came out, they were fucking pissed, like god damn it. Yeah. Some of that Pirates stuff I think ended up in Infinity.

Okay, I remember correctly. Some of the character stuff from that Brothers in Arms game that they never made that Furious four games, so that stuff ended up in battle Born. Well, oh right, that's that's a different that's gearbox canceling. It's its own project, its own project. Well, I guess you'd be seft would have been Does youse have owned the Brothers and

Arms franchise. I don't know because it was shown it at press conference, right, I don't think so, I don't know who knows, but yeah, I always'm always curious about Yeah, I think that's such a case by

case basis thing like hard drives or tape backups out there. Yeah, so if you're curious about, like what happens when games are over, when they're done and shipped for a while, my job was to go to the central directory where everybody checked in their code, copy the directory listing so you would see where every file was and then print that out as a physical copy of the directory tree and files and stuff. Then put that in the binder along

with DVD uh backups of all that data in just a giant binder. DVD DVDs. Wow, how many DVDs were talking at the time, how many created DVDs. I I can't remember the size of the of the games, but it was like, yeah, bindery DVDs. It wasn't like, you know, entire volumes, because I always assume, I would assume the work in progress build and all the assets must be way bigger than the final Yeah, final product. That's not that's not like super long term though, because

dvdrs are not permanent by any means. Yeah, I mean you copy it to other stuff I have. We have some DVDs burns in the early nineties, the nineties, there are still you know, ver work. It varies by the type of disc and stuff like that. What is the half life of a DVD the I will have some CDs act I guess, not DVDs. But you know, I have some review copies of Sagasin games that still work. Fine. Laser Rot man, Yeah, laser Rot's gonna get them

all. Laser Rot will get us all. Eventually. Hesitate to even bring it up. But I know a developer who I would love to talk to you about this on the record, who hid Yeah you know what I'm talking about. Which talked to that person? Should he had a significant amount of work that had been done in the ceiling of in the ceiling an old office which is still there and occupied by other tenants. No kidding, like that work may still there be we should move on, that would be. Yeah.

So like I think tape is something that you can want to keep around in perpetuity, but we should follow up on that story sometimes, uh man, I am just all over the place with these emails. But this week here's one that I didn't manage to get the cender on. I could read it anyway, though, go for it. I don't know. Okay, they're from Toronto. Can tell you that there's a chain here in Toronto with a secret menu, and then they pasted a link to restaurant called the Burger

Priest or the Burgers Priest. Although I don't know, I don't know how secret the menu is. When the address is slash secret menu, it's just like, yeah, that's like that's like them from the capitalize on the concept of a secret menu. However, the item, one of the items that he that he describes sounds kind of crazy. One of the items on the secret menu is the Tower of Battle. All the Tower of Battle is two beef patties with cheese, a portobello mushroom injected with cheese, and then deep

fried lettuce and tomato, two grilled cheese sandwiches as buns. It sounds awesome. Why is it called the Tower of Battle because they're the Burger Priests all, you know, maybe all their religious themes, all names, and a cheeseburger in which the patties were replaced with grilled cheeker. You know, maybe the burger is man's attempt at building too tall a burger. Okay, God is going to smile for trying. You eat it and can no longer speak.

I reached the point in my life where I don't I can't do like competitive eating or would you call it or would you call it frank eating? You're eating your comfy competition days, or I refuse to believe that. I know, like I kind of keep seeing it's still I know, I know, like I could enjoy it. Are you still doing the annual KFC bucket? Like it's not that appealing to me? Are you at least training max to following your footsteps? You gotta find your own way. Yeah. Some

people do ballet, some people do stunt eating. They're not a stunt eating like stage dad, I'm not gonna for you. I'm not gonna force that on him, but like it's bummed me up. Was at a restaurant recently and they had their like stunt food and usually it's the first thing to go like oh, thirty dollars where they're like, you know, sixteen pound burger, Yeah, bring it on, I'll do it. And I was like we don't think a Turkey club. You know, I just don't want to

do this to myself anymore. Was it? We went to the there was a Raman place. Who went to Dan and I in La and it was a you that got the spicy the super that was Timur Summer slam yea their spiciest bowl of ramen, which was gigantic and basically just bright red. Uh. And he got I'm gonna say, like a quarter of the way through it before he had to throw in the towel. His entire face was just

completely everywhere. Did you win anything? If he If he didn't, I don't remember on the wall and my picture on the wall in a restaurant, the most prestigious surprises, the things they were like a bunch of the twelve year old girls like had done it and they were up on the ball. It's like tim it had to be bad though, because I've seen him do a bunch of like crazy competitive eating things from like putting like fifteen of those heads in your mouth at one time. And you know, I got a

skin off your time. I got the ruck to do it, I got the rum And there was one step above the normal level of spicy, and there were like three more levels but to get to where he was and that was even almost too much. Yeah, yeah that was real bad. Yeah, I'm with you, like I kind of it's kind of sad, like yeah, like I go to like a like buffet or something now and it's just like the joy is gone. Yeah, your body no longer wants it. Yeah, like it's just like I'm not gonna eat until I throw up

anymore. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know if that happened. I know, I don't know what happened. Like it used to be a man, I never throw up. I never threw up from it for other reasons. Yeah, I just feel real sick. Yeah, it was definitely like, oh I did it to myself again. But yeah, it's I just does New York have CC's pizza? Uh, we have, we have real pizza. But I know what CC is really good? I mean, do you have it as an option? I don't Old Country Buffet?

Yes, yes, I think that. Okay you do. Okay, maybe it might be like an upstate but I feel like that's not a thing that's in New York City. No, not in the City's a big place it's like the palms another yeah, buffs while island. Yeah, I don't know. It was kind of kind of like a sad moment like where it's just like I just want to eat food. I think it's got to the point where, like I knew I had to function with kids now, Like I couldn't just go home and lay down and be like, oh yeah,

that was awesome. Now it's like I have to be ready to get up and do other stuffy Dad had his burrito tonight. I mean, I don't you know, like like eating just a normal sized portions okay, well slightly above size, a normal portion like a fast food thing does not lay me

out. No, no, no, I'm talking about like you're talking about like going I'm going to like the Chinese food buffet, and oh yeah, I've been able to do that now, Like you know, like you used to go to like a mo ongoing and barbecue and you know, like you get like five fucking bowls and it all be beef or all be you know, meat, like no, no, nothing else in it other than the hot oil and meat, and you're sweating and you're just I got to get

through this so I can get another one just can't get kindn't And there was all you can eat pizza place. Yeah that was that once once once a week, we'd like inflicted all you can eat pizza on ourselves and you were getting like pizza with like bacon on it and shit like that. What am I supposed to get? Alfredo pizzas and stuff like, I'm just taking something

slightly less greasy. Perhaps you're slightly less greasy. I mean that I used to be like I could still eat really quickly like that that skill that's not a feed, but of the quantity, Yeah, the quantity is gone. No, I can still put down a burrito. And for me, like like that sort of transition came with this realization of just like maybe I don't actually care that much about food. Oh like you're just not enjoying it.

So yeah, like it's just maybe I just don't I love food and it's not I'm not I'm not like in a point where it's like, oh, you know, I want to have better food. It's like just like you know, like I kind of came to that same place where it was also like going out drinking or getting a drink, like I don't want to get sick anymore. Like I want to drink, I want to enjoy it, but like I'm past the point where I can wake up and just be like what did I do? I don't really drink very often anymore. No,

no, no, And it's for me. It was just like I mean, so, you know, I had a friend who was a bartender, and you know, like we wouldn't hang out when she was working, and you know, some other people we would all kind of hang out around a bar, and like, you know, it's just it was what it was. And we spent a lot of time drinking and got a lot of free drinks along the way, and that was a lot of fun. But even that wasn't necessarily like my heaviest drinking phase. But I just got to a

point where, yeah, I don't know what it was. If it was a feeling of like I'm not rebounding from it like properly enough. I think it was more just like circumstances changed. Everyone kind of grew up, and no one wanted to hang out in a bar anymore. I got a mortgage now, No, I had the mortgage first, Like I did everything in the wrong order. Look at me, I'm a grown up now. The mortgage came when I was at my drunkest. Probably that's how that's how you

ended up with the house. Yeah, it's like whoops. But I feel like I'm feeling like it's like one of those things that they, like you read about like heroin users, right where they can build up a tolerance and then the danger is, you know, going on, coming back on, and I feel like my stomach's gonna explode if I, like you guys want to go like a Chinese food buffet, like yeah, let's fucking get down, like right, and then he's going, there's yeah, explode Like I

can feel it sometimes even like I'm a d like a little grilled chees sandwich with some fries, beaning like I'm stuffed? What happened? If you want dessert? No, you've gone soft? Really you think that you actually are maybe not eating as fast as you think you are. I think you used to because like that was always the way to cram in the most food was to eat as quickly as possible. I see four I've seen that dude to eat like I just can't. I can't even explain. You can stilly pretty

quickly. And I think that the scary part is now I see Max just like I have to literally teach him about choking. Imagine trying to tell somebody about like Max. He puts like a whole salami in this matter, right, and it's just like you have to chew Max, is you're gonna choke. He doesn't know what choking is until he's like, I can't breathe remember that time you couldn't Breathe eat so much? Max eat? His daddy says, not as ye, he's as soon as man. Yeah, suppressive stuff.

I never forget seeing you go at a burrito or you know, just any handheld item. I get the ship in before. It's never steal it. It never touches the plate. I just never leaves your hand on the like you know, if you can't put it, fall out of it. Yeah, like I cambur it down. Yeah exactly what you put it down, it falls apart. Yeah, you put a hamburg exactly, It's it's never gonna be the same. Well, see, so you want to solve

that problem, don't put as much bullshit on your hamburger. There's nothing to fall apart. It's just meeting fun exactly. You can say, I can set a hamburg after the day and and get right back to it. It's not a problem. But I still, yes, I find I had a burger and fries the other day, and I find I don't know how this happened or why this happened, but I find myself eating all of the fries before touching the hamburger. And I don't know why I did that when I

was a kid all the time, I don't know what change like. And also I don't use ketchup on fries anymore. Yeah, I stopped doing that. You don't know why? Just man, no, God, I think I think at some point, like I just want and salt. Just give this. I just want salt here. We shouldn't invent at this table. We should invent hamburger edible hamburger staples so that like you can staple, they go to the bun to the patty to keep that ship on so it doesn't

slide off. It's like what they do with the toothpick. Yeah, but who wants Yes, it's like a twizzler or something, a sharp twizzler like a sugar Yes, twizzlers terrible. How about a piece of like beef jerkee or something that. Yeah, I am together. It's just something like a stable door and it's like, but it's edible. Yeah, yeah, I'm in. Yeah, slap it on Kickstar sand from Ohio. Last email, you have to make an impossible choice. I can't do I it's it's impossible,

can't You must choose? All right? You will be cursed with either having to fart very often, as in oh no, like as in as could ever imagine such a faith Wait, we got to hear the other. Let me finish the let me finish the email. You will be cursed with either having to fart very often, as in several times per hour in a manner imagine God, just kill me now, several times per hour in a manner that is easy to hear but not our but not outrageously so, and

the smell of the fart is odorless. It's just like, hey, let's have a part. Maybe maybe he's like, maybe these are impossible good choices, Yeah, this is actually all right choice or a million dollars, or once per day you will have an extremely deadly but mostly quiet fart, but everyone in the room will be able to smell strongly. Can you schedule when

this happens? In both circumstances, you have little control over when the farts happened, but you can be have a small amount of control when you can feel it coming on. Also, what's your favorite final boss in a video game? The multiple loud under less farts? Yeah, yeah, wait, so they're just they're just loud, but you can't hear them. I'm sorry that so they're loud but you can't smell. That's yes, well, you know the emails that they're audible. Loud is different. It says not outrageously

here that needs to hear. In that situation, you would have to like warn people, like if I'm on a date, I would have to start the first date by saying, listen, I'm gonna be farting this whole night, but don't worry, it's not gonna smell. And that's not the best way to start a day. That'll totally put every one of the ease. Yeah. Great, But but then would you have to like like preface that you're going to just let one rip like a real loud ripper at time,

You're just gonna get up and leave the room like a gentleman. If you're problem, I don't know this is this what like the knife in baseball bat like conversation is degenerated into it this pay like we're just kind of getting down to that level. I don't know, we haven't had one of these in a while. Parts speak for themselves and we don't need to do any further talking. Also, Psychomantus is not a final boss. It's not a final final boss. Oh shit. And what Bison? Motherfucker's show is better than

Bison and has got a cool hat. He does have a cooler with his mask, and the mask is done and Bison is a much better fight than the show. Con that's true fights? Does it? Does it count the final level of Doom two? Sure? Yeah? Yeah, like that's yeah, the icon of sin a Hitler. Yeah, that's gotta be way up that good one. I really not a final boss, Virgil end he was a really good fight. Mm hmm. I like the end of Acarina of Time quite a bit. Oh yeah, wait, wait back and forth or

fighting fake out of Like this was kind of underwhelming. And then oh ship, although Windwaker Gannon was really good. Yeah that was good. Uh. I didn't hear anybody make their impossible choice. Oh, I think I'd probably go with the one big loud rapper. Yeah, me too, smelly one silent but very deadly smelling. Oh yeah, just blame it on somebody else. Yeah, that's not even a choice. I thought it had to be really loud. You just carry a dog around all the day. Yeah,

that's say. It's the dog. That's the that's the old caravel logic that I've been missing, because who's gonna be like, I guess if you're always surrounded by the same people to be like, ah, you know, that's there. It is twelve o'clock. And then he added again, because I feel like that fucking happens anyway like that, that's just life. Yeah, once a day, and I think it was once a day. Yeah, like you're gonna have a big fucking nasty part once a day. There you

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that's right, Yeah that's coming up. The voting is still open. I guess what is happening this week? We have got a whole lot of heavy lifting to do one Game of the Year production, so I don't know what's happening with like daily content. We'll have some quick looks. Yeah, we're looking to get into some stuff. Some stuff will happen. Fucking Guilty Years coming out? Okay? Is that? Damn Japan? Are you? Are you gonna take the plunge? Yeah? What about? Hang on? What?

What isn't there another fighting game? Who? What's the full title of that thing? I thought that was coming out here this year? It is, but it's looks in Japan like a week or coming out here. You're that serious? Huh? All right? That game looks pretty cool. Yeah, that's the one with it like Fox three D. Yeah, yeah, they're crazy. It's a really cool. Look. Yeah, that's a really

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