Hey everyone, It's Tuesday, November thirty, twenty ten, and you're listening to the Giant Podcast. I'm your host, Ryan Davis, joined by Vinny Caravella. Hi, how are you? Jeff Gerstman late to be here? And Brad Shoemaker, you had all that time, you had all that lead up and all do you think it was high? And hello? Alternatingly, they both took mine. Jeff was looking at sensed, looking at his phone in his uh Soviet Union hockey jersey. Heney Marshall drank milk and pepsi in
real life and added it to her character. She just likes doing it and thought that would be a thing. I'm gonna open this and see if it tastes like hold on context. What I got this can of milk iss here that was sent to us from Korea and says the translation here says, uh, milk and coal accommodation that somehow doesn't curdle the milk. And of course I'm reminded of right. And then Viney and I were looking at you like
I. I tried it a few times. I tried drinking milk and pepsi, and so the first couple of times I tried it, I was like, this is all right, and I had one more time. I was like this is ef and terrible, and then never tried it again. Terrible. I don't like it. A creamsicle is about as close to that is.
It sounds like a distant relation of a white Russian to me, oh man taste anything like I'm kind of I see that, but I also kind of getting like root beer float, but like like a clear milky beverage in this can kind of a kind of right going to be both clear and milky maybe like with cloudy. It's like I should say, yeah, like I melted. Well, it's like some you know, gastronomical thing where it's the and it's it's you're saying, they engaged and air compressor and some liquid nitrogen.
It's exactly what I'm saying, like like if it's if you're deconstructed root beer floats, some kind of molecular gastronomy, molecular manipulation going on here. I steel himn't have to try milk and pepsi again. Now after this this is milk is so we made by Yeah, we wanted you to take a classic, a favorite American staple and deconstructed. What have you made for us today? Right? And Pepsi? I poured milk into this pepsi and I had to spit it out over here with this is this pepsi? Is this
store bought pep have to let this the milk over here? We have a delicate candied pepsi corn feet and on the side we have milk three ways, these milk pearls and a nice cream phone. It's fucking phone my face with that. I still I didn't watch any of them that I found myself reading the twitters of the Voltageio brothers over the weekend, though they don't tweet very well. Maybe they should join the protest or whatever. They're not the protest.
The celebrity vicar, Well, how you doing? Welcomessip, it's post. It's post American Thanksgiving and post Canadian Thanksgivings. Yeah, it's long, but no accurate, accurate. I'm just saying anyone driving for accuracy and always that's just that's what this podcast has always been. It's the truth. I think it's more preth Canadian Thanksgiving. At this point, you're winding back up from the one. It's still post on the court it's still posts. School
starts wrong, prove me wrong, pre post, bring a coupon? What a cupon? A coupon? Although a coupon cup cupon coupon. Yeah, I left on my cupons in the wash. Can't help you. Sorry, Oh yeah, we did that. I thought I was gonna get a way more done on the game front, and it's just Assassin screed. Brother, I just playing that. I was dead wrong. By the way, I did not put it in twenty three hours before. I saw somebody in the comment saying that it was confusing how the game clock works, so that you
might be reading it wrong. Yeah, I was reading it wrong, So I was. I was actually twenty three Apparently I had stopped playing that game around eleven eleven thirty for like a week. Uh, and also was twenty three percent done with the game, So getting weird confirmation on that. So now I am. I was seven hours at that point, so I must
be near twenty three now having gun and you're you're guilt yet. Oh man, they're they're great, those guys, they are a great they are Oh man, they are Like it's such a stupid mechanic because I feel like it is everything that is that that game shouldn't be. But it's so much fun. It's like smart bomb. It's yeah, it's push this button to destroy everything on screen, like all right, cool? And I love it because
it's like every time just running after a dude. You know, he never puts his hands on his knees and pants, but that's what I feel like after it's just like, oh I missed the jump. Just I just kill him and they just who snap your fingers. Yeah, he's a little eagle car. Yeah, and he is. He is down there, and it's so it's so gratifying, like, yeah, you thought you were gonna get
away. This guy has been tailing me for the last two hours, hiding invents and with haystacks, hang out in these doorways and haystacks and just jumps out of waiting waiting. Just I didn't use those guys a whole lot because I always had them out in the field doing dirt. Would I would always keep like one or two dudes around just in case I wanted to to get nasty. But is there any goal to leveling them up out in the field
other than become more savage? But when they're fighting with you, right, yeah, so if you ever use them, yeah, exactly, well they but but what you can also send them as they level up for the field stuff they can take on, I can take on more responsibility by themselves. There's a percentage to the you're like winding ratio. But all of all of the field work is experience and money. Yeah, so by money, get money, which they top out a level tens, the experience becomes useless at
some point you don't need money ever. Yeah, So that's so now at this point, I'm kind of there, I like, turn that corner right now, I'm just collecting tons and tons of money. So now I just have like three dudes all and that arrow strikes. It's so it's just so like there's definitely like whole missions where I was like, man, I just don't want to I don't want to sit here and watch this guard pattern and figure out what it's just fun. They're all dead, uh, and I
especially like it. It's it gives you a satisfying sense of power in that game. So you're just like pointed a guy like I want that guy to be dead now, and then just out of nowhere comes these just your savage ass crew of assassins riding sometimes riding on a horse and just jump off. They get on the horse and ride away, like all right, I'm out. And the greatest thing is is, uh, you don't you don't take any responsibility for it, like you could walk right by, or sometimes I'll
just walk in. It's like I'm just gonna stealth kill when he goes because they don't even see me. Yeah, just like tink tink tink. Uh. And then I kind of do like the walk over and like totally role playing, like, well, what happened here? Terrible? Did you use the crossbow a lot? I'm starting to now as I'm getting lazier and lazier, and that's just kind of I'm starting to use poison more too. I didn't use poison at all, and I didn't buy the crossbow until after I
beat the game. Yeah, I'm just getting tired of sneaking around, so now I'm just like as close as I can get without being detected and picking off these and the poisons great because it takes them a while to kind of register, so I can hit them with poison and kind of run to the other side and they flail around and it'll attract the other guys to them, so get fast Poison. I got it. Those shop quests are hard. I think they must just start dropping stuff later in the game because I spent
way too much to complete one shop quests. I got the fast Poison. That's it so far. And I've been I bought all the treasure maps and was looking for stuff, and I know that they give you some stuff from the missions, like yeah, like like the rare stuff that I needed for the shop quests I was getting from the assassin missions from sending dudes out on
that stuff. Yeah, so there's that. And then also the carriers that are just the dudes that just start taking off running down like I always saw one of those guys through the entire game, So I think it's a late game thing. I'm starting to get them now, but now I'm getting them more frequently. They have really good stuff on them. Yeah, and they're also great for your assassins. Just like, dude, just running a one after them for like I don't know, thirty seconds would be like, ha,
just kill them, kill them. It's great. I had trouble to starting between Pito Pickpockets and the courier. The curriers don't show up in your map, so there's no the little pickpocket icon, the little money bag shows up on your map. Curiers don't show up in your map at all. So when they just do starts running weird, takes me a second because sometimes I've done got pickpocketed. They don't pick pocket you nessarily, we'll just see
them kind of running rooftops or just those guys though. It's so fun to watch them because I literally I just wait for the guards to pick them off the roof because they'll just hit the rooftops and then I'm running their guards. It's just like, what are you doing? Like you're supposed to be up here, and they just dropped to the ground and I just load them like I don't even chase them anymore. That game's fun, and I'm spending way too much time. And I had a sack of games I was supposed to
were you supposed to be playing? Well? I had the Saboteur that's okay, you're good. I also had Downstairs Inferno. That's not it's not even a game, is I don't think it's this year's Sabatar is not even a ten game. I don't can't remember we had that conversation last week. It's definitely okay, but it's one of those ones I kind of wanted to check out it was on sale, and especially after playing Asassins Creed Brotherhood. You extra don't want to play the Saboteur. I didn't, and I did.
And then it worked out that you got so that and Dante's Inferno and Borderlands. Oh yeah, you were having on about I was just clearing my throat. Oh is there something else I'm forgetting? It seemed like it. It seemed it seemed like a pretty pregnant little We were supposed to play a buch Porderlands, and then Vinny didn't play Porderland. I did. I kept missing you. I think because I saw you were so he didn't send me a
request, and because you were playing Assassin's Creed the whole time. I didn't want to interrupt. I saw you playing Borderland, about jumping in there. I don't think you get to guilt him then if you didn't even send a friend request, well, because he is, if he's knee deep in and he's not gonna like poke his head out and realize it's like, oh but we had made plans. Well we didn't have a we had a play date. We did we know, Yeah, we were talking about finishing Borderlands,
just sitting there waiting for anything. I did check you out a couple of times, and you like, oh Brad signed off like nine minutes ago. I figured you were still going through the stories. I was, and I was. I have not played any multiplayer and Assassin's Screed, and I don't know if I have an interest in doing it so much because you'll be able to watch other people play some assass Greed brotherhood maybe this Thursday for Thursday, So do you play? Points can unlock the harle Quinn. But there's a
pun on there somewhere, like hell Quinn. There is the Hello Quinn because the Harlequin was the pre order bonus. So the Hella Quinn is like a weird another Harlequin, a demonic version of the Harlequinn. So so riddle me this, mister Davis. Yeah, there's there's no there's no functional difference between anything. But why would you want to stand out? Why would you want wouldn't? Yeah you wouldn't. Don't you want the money? You wouldn't stand
out? Oh, there are the other because Quinn because it's there's eight players, and yeah, there would be other player looks different, but the world is comprised of those eight models, and so if you pick Hello Quinn, it'll make Helly quinns around. Okay, so he didn't realize that. Can you be a Haystack, No, that's not one of the playable characters. You can be Haystack the rapper though. There's a wrestler. No, that's Haystacks Calhoun, uh something, So yeah Calhoun, that sounds like a reasonable
wrestler. Last name. Uh anyways, GNT screed brotherhood Thursday. You brought a book, you brought a clip, GBTNT you have a book coming out? That's it? Anyways, keep going steam sale nothing, nothing, nothing, a busy all of the uh, Jeff, I heard you talking about it a little before the Black Friday, Cyber Monday stuff. All of the sales. And I don't know if this is a bigger conversation about the state of this year in video games, but like nothing, well I didn't think
of anything like there was. There were a ton of great sales happening, but there were all for games that we all already own. It was like need for speed and fable and fall out, they're all in for sale, and we're like, I'm like, fuck, yeah, if this had happened like a month ago, I would have all these games for super cheap, but already it was all the stuff we were already required to play. Yeah. Yeah, I did miss the need for Speed one on Amazon, which
I thought was just insane. I mean it was like, what was it was bucks? Yeah, barely two weeks old. Some of these sales are kind of frightening. Yeah, uh where it's like, what are you trying to recruit? What are you quick waite? These games already like dead in the water soon after release. It has to be more of like a lost Leadershi. I hope that's the case. Well, I mean it's it's no really, like the Black Friday thing is some sort of a justification for that,
Like you do lots of ridiculous sales during that time. You give away copies of Dance Central at an old Navy. Yeah, what like if you bought twenty five dollars worth of stuff, you got to get Dance Central at at old Navy, Like you know, he didn't get a connect supplies and you didn't get to get a connect. But yeah, like so that shit happens on Black Friday, Black right, It's crazy, it's it's, you
know, an aberration. But what's what's like more telling is the way that like Amazon is giving them out those ten dollars, fifteen dollars, twenty dollars get certificates every time you're just buying any random game. Yeah, the fact that you know, effectively, I you know, I had a bunch of games that were brand new that cost me forty or fifty bucks instead of you know, the requisite sixty. Speaking of buying games, he won want to buy a copy of Grant raise my five off of me heym. I just
came to mind too. But I bought that Collector's edition because I knew it wasn't gonna come on time. So some weather problem. Yeah, well you've got that. Now you've got that limited edition. Yea that sweet key chain. Dave's got one. Yeah, I don't think Drew's so interesting. I'm trying to think of other driving people. Brad, I got, I've got all I need. Sixty bucks flat no drift, Yeah, there's a whole
drift section. I did put in some times drifting over the break, So I was I was gonna play that as well, and then didn't come just kind of Amazon, but whenever it got my ten dollars fifteen whatever, they want to throw the Amazon just like, hey, I like you for buying games. Here's another ten dollars. So I also got a copy of Enslave that showed up today for five bucks or something. So yeah, they're the Grand the Turismo stuff I got. And then I really started looking heavily into
buying wheels, uh, racing wheels. And then luckily I think you came over and I'm like, what were you? What are you doing? Somebody you know like you should get this one from Yeah, this one from Germany works on everything. You're like, no, but it's only like two hundred and fifty. This one's got the fluid ball bearings and it's kind of a lot of money. I kind of I don't know, I kind of feel
like on Grand Turismo. I haven't played yet, but I kind of feel like it's almost like a street Fighter where you kind of want the stick, right, you want to almost bought another stick they had those those arcade pros. Go back and consider how much the you two on on arcade sticks that and how much use they get. Let's talk about the specialized hardware purchases. Yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah, I but but no string wheel got purchased. No, no, But I'm still kind of like, I
don't know. I feel like I'm gonna put it's gonna bring his in for for the show on Friday, and you can mess with it then and make your decision then. Like I don't really drive much like I don't. I don't have a car, and I like I every time I get behind the thought of you behind the wheel of a car its weird than me. Yeah. I need to practice, and to practice on the Nurberg obviously. Yeah. And the grand reason what it is not is not the driving teacher that
I want you to walk warm up on before before you start. No, trust me, how jo lock damage on this hunduc Because how would one prepare for the mean streets of San Francisco? I mean crazy taxi? Right, Like, don't only that's the only choice. Just don't drive a stick. Yeah, I'd probably be my first. Well, I mean what video game was preparing? Ridge? Is her? Okay? Pretty much? Vet? Yes? Vet? Actually Vet would be perfect. So I haven't come back
to a driving desert desert bus. I vet your selection laden. Al Right, guys, I'll see you next week. Gearing up nice fully worked chet sound like a real door, right, that was all my I like how you let the door handle like pop back up, as if you had to sort of smack. It was very convincing. Thank if only there were some like coconut halbs you could use for your footsteps. You're not wrong? Uh what we're talking about driving wheels and arcade stake. Well we'll go, We'll
good collective. Thank you Dave again. Excellent Dave impression, excellent throwing of the boys. Thank you. I believed it. That's when I spent the break time. I believed. No games, just working on looking in the mirror, working on your Dave impressions. See no, no racing. We always purchased. But I'm still Did you play any grand Utta Stone? Did my online interaction tell me about? So? I feel like this. Let's let's back the story up a little bit. Sure, Drew and I went
to Uh, we got contact, you got contact. We were invited to a Rosetta Stone event last month. Last month, last month, we were invited to a Rosetta stepped a pr agency that that represents certain other game entities.
Okay, all right, like people within our within our business. Yeah, I guess we got on the mailing list for Rosetta Stone, right, and with the thing was said to he said, Hey, we're having an event San Francisco, and I like half jokingly forwarded it too, I think to Drew Drew, because because Drew uses Rosetta Stone, he's using using it to learn German. Yeah, you know, he's serious about it. So I'm like, hey, hey, if you want to go to this Rosetta
Stone event, they're gonna show off the new Rosetta Stone. And then he was like very very He's like, yeah, I want to go to this. How do we like, let's how do we set this up? What do we do? And then I was like oh and then like the week of he's like, well, what are we trobably doing this? All right, Drew, if you want to go, let's go. And then you tried to get me to go, and I said, I have zero business. I have used Rosetta Stone before too. So Drew and I went and
it was great. I really like the new version of Rosetta Stone. Showed off that new version of Rosetta Stone. I'm gonna shill right here for Rosetta Stone. Thank you for inviting us to the event. And it's a great new product and the one of the greatest things about it. And I tell this because the PR Agency wound up contact contacted us a review. We're qualified to review Rosetta Stone anyway. But you know, like we're using it and
that's great. And we've got a copy of the Japanese one. Yeah, yeah, you got me that copy of the Japanese one, which has been sitting in front of my TV for at some point. I do kind of want to you know, I've talked a lot of game about like you know, I would specifically because I thought you would. That's what we were, you know, that's when we went to the event. We were like, oh, you know, like we've been talking about maybe learning Japanese or whatever.
And they're great here too in Japanese. Uh. So I've been I've been using it for Italian for a while and uh one of the new things it's new to Rosetta Stone, And would be like if I was just using it for English. No, my Italian is terrible. It's it's not good at all. Uh. And but but you have enough that you're able to critique some of the translations in Assassin's Creed Brotherhood. Yes, like La France is not Montreal, which Montreal is way funnier. Yeah, oh I did.
I did the like where Montreal did not exist until the mid sixteen hundred, sod up I did. Okay, uh, well part of France are you from an Assassin screed? And Etio answers Montreal. He's posing as a French, true, but in the Italian version, but in my kame he was stuck in al to ears armor, so he was not posing as a French. True. Really didn't change. I couldn't turn it off. Oh no, like it you'd set it would go back to pick plane cape or
something like that. But he would never change out of it. So when I got to the missions where he was supposed to be disguised, just like the play, it's just like just was broken and I could, like you couldn't figure out what was going on for a little while. It's like, wait, why am I said? Part so unders us on a new thing is all this online stuff and they showed us a little bit of this at the demo. But you basically sign up for appointments, you schedule an appointment
with a real teacher, like a teacher. It's online, so they give you a list like when do you want to sign up? And it's an hour long uh and they have videos. It's terrifying, but it's great. Uh. So at the end of like your coursework for like the first chapter or first like unit, Let's say you schedule a thing and I'm sitting there. I'm like, my wife is sitting next to me. I'm gonna do it. She said you should totally do it. I'm gonna do it tomorrow
morning. So I did it and woke up and it was about twenty eight twenty after nine, and I click it ROLLO. Sitting there in my pj's. My wife's sitting next to me because she's excited for me. I'm nervous. She's like, it's be awesome. I don't want to do this. I'm terrible. And I put on my headphones. I put on the headset and it's a loading bar starts going because it's getting near, and this little video pops up of this woman who looks as if she's of let's say,
like Middle Eastern descent. I'm like, oh, this is gonna be weird, and she did like Italian at all. And she goes, Hi,
welcome to Rosetta Stone. I'm your counselor guide, and we're just wanting to go over a few of the rules for going into this, saying I'm like, okay, the little prerecorded video, you get the four starts, and she's like, you're gonna stay in the English the entire time and try not to if you got to take a break, you use the mute button, stuff like that, and if there's anybody else with you, please be consider it, because you're supposed in groups of other people, Please be considerate.
And then she goes, did you get all that? Yes, great, and then I'm gonna push you through to Maria, your teacher, and then it goes off for a second, and then Maria comes up in the corner and she's like Jovin said, and then I freaked out. It was just like old It's like, uh, but it was, it was it so I was the only one in there, so uh. But at fifteen minutes one on one with Maria, and it was it was fantastic. It was great, and I was super nervous and fidgety, and she couldn't see any
of that. She just heard me in that set. But you know, I just holding you didn't have a webcam set up as well, dyln't let you, and there was it. We asked about that and the thing like no webicons. They're like no, no, but they so they were just getting the voice. They just getting voted I see her, which is important because she's pantomiming a lot of stuff. Uh yeah, but man, like that that learning and language with with human contact is the way to go.
It's the only it's the only way, right. And like the fact that they've added that in and there's more online stuff like that is like a huge step for that product, right, So like I can reschedule I could do that every day of the week if I wanted to. Well, it's crazy that that it's just part of like the software package that it's not like it is it is. It is an online you can buy just the CDs or you can pay the subscription fee for I think it's like fourteen months, is
like one hundred and fifty bucks or something like. Okay, So so after that, I was blown away. I was like, that was fantastic. That is if you're gonna learn. It was terrifying, But that's what you have to go. You have to interact with somebody at some point. And my wife was like I want it. So it was like, great, let's go look and uh yeah, we're gonna sign her up for her own because I was you do it. She's like, I can't, don't want to do it. Well it just want to do it on your account.
Yeah. So is there like persistence with that stuff? Are they like tracking like level four? Yeah? Yeah, well yeah, I'm now I'm on you the damage yet as you get the red dot. Uh no, But but they do have like little achievements that come up in the corner that are just like Vinnie's completed an online lesson, like Sherilyn's completed getting started, and like little things that like kind of tick up at the bottom. There so all sorts of weird online stuff that are made the product better, but that
one on one interaction is freaking terrifying. And I was doing on language or I'm slightly familiar with, like if I were doing the Japanese, for get it. I mean they are patient and everything, but like something about second language, like as an adult interacting with people scares the crap at me. I just feel like I'm the worst. Like I'm talking like an idiot. I'm talking like an idiot. You I know, you're the most patient person
in the world. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I can't even imagine what this sounds like to you right now, like all my like it's like, oh, like okay, yeah, all is good? Is it? Is it going to be? Okay? Sure? Yes, did your prepositions? But anyway, yeah I did. I did a bunch of that and uh I barely handle English. It was a lot of fun. So there you go. Get think about Rosetta Stone for your second language needs, if
you need terrifying experiences. It's It's really the only way though, Like Red Brad said, it's the only way, because you when you do the computer stuff, it's like you're speaking to it and like you're saying something that should be that You're like, well, this is right, and the computer's looking for an exact string of words and stuff, whereas what the person They're like, yeah, okay, see where you're getting up. But here's how you should really do it, you know, uh yeah, I don't know that.
That's probably the most fun game I had. Brother heard was great from my heart rate going. You say, sounds get a fantastic online experience. I did. I don't play online games, but I might go back for Moretta Stone. Uh. And then so that that was pretty much my thing. I didn't did not leave the house is Drew. Do you know if Drew's using the new res of the stunt, it's funny. He's worried that the installing a new program will override his progress and in his old Rosetta Stone.
Okay, so he has to see if he can import a save basically in a because he's pretty for your character. Yeah, and you kind of get all the gold and stuff you want to see if you can import as the level because you don't want to grind at the beginning of stuff. Again, it was like an extra ten bucks. You just serve a transfer, so that's change your name. Yeah, uh, it was fun. I
don't know. Uh. And you know, I talked to my my mother in law, who's actually a second language teacher, and she's Rosetta Stones put us a lot the work. Oh. I bet she's probably hates that they've added this element to She's super nice and she was just kind of you know, she was like, oh yeah, you know, I'm glad you're using it because you know, it gives me a great perspective on you know,
what's new in it. And like, you know, I talked to a lot of other teachers because she does like, uh, like what are those things called like big summits or whatever like that, And they talk about, you know, schools that are shutting down their second language program, and they're like, well, we can buy copies of Rosetta Stone and give those to the kids, and and it's like, is that a good idea or not? And she's like, Okay, interesting, interesting, chagrined to hear that
it's not entirely awful. Yeah, well no, not right. I mean, she's just curious. She wants to see what's going on. Well, if you want to do that, fine, Jeff, Hi, that's hello, that's going it's going all right. How was your break? I don't know, it was all right? Did you do uh like nothing? KNA, I don't really do. It's the best kind of Hey, Brad, all right, what's up? I did some stuff? How you doing? How's your break? It's pretty good? Excellent, it's some food. It's
gonna do it for this week. Tradition you should be a table of food that you ate from this weekend. That's right, that sounds. That sound is appropriate. Kiss. It's my more that even just summoning the idea of it has made this room to smell like a Chinese restaurant. There was a whole pig gross there, so you were there, Yes, you made a whole pig Thanksgiving? How many calories? Strongly? It's a Turkey holiday. There was turkey there? Okay, all right, there was. There are
two turkeys, actually two full turkeys there. And actually the family Thanksgiving thing that I had to not go to was the like four turkeys and two pigs. Wow. Really, it's like one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty people, which is why I don't go. Oh wow is that? Where where does one hold something like that? A park farm? It's a lot of food though, yeah, and it's not a lot, not a lot of leftovers. Yeah, well for that many people fight for it. How
could you pass off a plate like that? Oh well we did, just like me and my parents did dinner on Sunday. So you didn't go to like the clan meeting like whoa, No, I did not. I think I turned Thanksgiving. There's other reasons. The food is great, but there's conversations rough. It's rough. You end up leaving with a lot of pamphlets. All they can do is talk about the forty nine ers. I just don't want a lot of white knuckle bullshit. Do not bring up the Raiders.
So true, so true. You were not interested in leveling your Grand Wizard? Sorry? Max levels? Oh my god, you know what we're talking about. Jeff, Do you have any games to talk about? Yeah? Yeah, I did before all this. Yeah, now I have to apparently leave welcome in this building, change my name. I played Tron Evolution, the video game, the video game, the official video game of theficial video game of the movie, Tron Legacy. Yeah, of the brand Synergy.
Yeah, because Jeff, I think we agree in the cards Morning, those are both terrible names. They are Evolution Tron Legacy. I don't think which is really yeah exactly. I think in a lot of ways, they're, you know, if they don't want to call it Tron too, because they don't want to imply that you should see the first movie. Because I feel like they're going out of their way to make sure the people don't see the first movie. How about Tron two point Oh yeah, that's already taken
by something else that was terrible. So uh, anyway, I remember when it was supposed to be true. I was about to say, like, like, looking back, maybe that was still the best choice. Maybe that was still the best option. Anyways, Tron Evolution is actually set before the movie, before Tron Legacy, Tron Legacy, but after after Tron. So you would say it's like the bridge the evolving of Tron. Yes, the evolution. How much Tron is in Tron Evolution? How much actual Tron isn't
character? Trond's name Tron, No, the actor Bruce box Lightner. That is a video game. It's a great name, Bruce box Lightner. There's not a lot. There's not a lot, But that's not I don't think that's because of him not wanting to do what. They actually got Bruce box Lightner for it. Yeah, but the story is such that I don't think Tron will be in the upcoming Tron Legacy. Tron is not you know,
are you saying he's not material too? I'm saying it's called Tron's City now, like it's all Tron, So you don't need Tron, got it, got it to necessarily Tron. The character is not what this is about. I thought you were gonna say they pulled a Morpheus in the Matrix online kind of thing. Anyway, moving on, Yeah, so it's it's it's the events that are leading up to the new movie, like set like maybe like five years after the old one. It is like eighty nine, like seven
years after the old movie or something like that. So basically twenty years before the new film, and you kind of you know, like the whole all the trailers and all the stuff is that you know, is that Kevin Flynn Jeff Bridges's character has disappeared. He's been gone for twenty years, his son has grown up without a father, and his son I'm just gonna walk in there and he's gonna say, how do Yeah, maybe I don't know what the tri I'm paraphrasing the trailer. Yeah, pretty good. That's that's I
believed it. Yeah, total was exactly where you were, both Bruce box Lightner and Jet Bridges or whatever. That's my fully work shit Bridges Jeff Bridges, so his name is Sam. Not that dumped all of that Tron two point stuff, thankfully. Yeah, you know whatever anyway, but I don't think it was. But it's funny. It's the same concept that it's still like fucking son of Jeff Bridges coming back? Do you? I mean,
what do you do? I know, I know do with that? And also this is a virus involved, because what do you do with that? It's like the virus in a computer worm lookout? Because yeah, you have to have simple concepts that can be understood. Yeah, I mean, it's it's kind of easy to make fun of the grand sweeping concepts. But I actually I found myself really appreciating the story side of Tron Evolution for kind of setting the tone for the upcoming movie, for for letting you know why there
is uh and this is stuff. Most of it I'd kind of picked up, but it was it was nice to see it kind of spelled out a little more explicitly and kind of get the character motivations of why there is young Jeff Bridges and old Jeff Bridges and stuff like that. Where has Kevin Flynn been for all these years? Uh? Stuff like that, and that is explored in the game. That is the crux of the game. That is that is Yeah, that's cool. You know, the events of the game
are are are all about that stuff. So it's you know, there's a virus that is set loose. It's basically, you know, it's it's a big race war. Really, the world of tron is a is a race war of the kind of regular programs that are referred to as basics and ISOs, which are programs that evolved out of the Sea of simulation, which they don't have any users, their userless programs. What are the purpose they serve? So you have to kill them, all right or study them. So
basically it's like the Basics versus the ISOs in a lot of ways. And you know, it's it's racial tensions, is kind of it's it's basically how this stuff plays out. And uh, you know some of the programs, some of the basic don't want the ISOs around, so like, are they bad? Dude? Not necessarily, but you know, when a virus breaks out, it's very easy for someone to blame the ISOs for it, really,
you know. So it ends up being like kind of an interesting story and it's kind of the sort of thing that now I'm it left me more interested in seeing the movie. Tell me more about the Sea of simulation. They don't really get into that. It's it's it's that's something that's in like one of the files you unlock. It's not a key thing. It seems like she's already important. If that's where all of the ISOs are just popping out of. Well, so by the time you get there, the ISOs
things has already happened. This isn't like that's not key to the story. Okay, So that happened in something called Tron Betrayal, which was a two issue comic book series that they did. There was also leading up to all this stuff. Get the impression that they planned a lot of shit to lead up to the movie. A pan media event, yeah, something like that. So I ended up ordering a copy of that because they did that over the summer or something. But then they released two issues, but both the
issues in one thing. It's like, well, I'll just get that. Can you get it on like your iPhone or something digital? No, at least not that I could. Tron did not work on my kindle, that's for sure. So I have a physical copy of that thing coming. So the story side of it's interesting, The gameplay side not as much. It's it's kind of split between your kind of traversal sections of wall running and wall
climbing and stuff like that. And the camera works not always great and and it's it's satisfying in parts, but generally just kind of and then the combat is not all that great either. It's really defensive, like you kind of have to be blocking all the time, and if you're blocking, you'll you'll block any normal attack with like a little bit of block damage, but you can always counter or perry off of those attacks. Like timing based's count it's
not even timing based. It's like as soon as you get hit with a disc when you're blocking, it goes into slow motion. You just hit X and and he'll attack. It's some kind of like one hit kill after that, or it's a it's a more damaging attack than your standard disc toss, so it's it's beneficial to it. And the other thing is that they present
you with a lot of different enemies that are weak to different stuff. So they give you these kind of different heavy attacks like a bomb disc and a heavy disc and a stasist disc, and then present you with the concept that like this guy's week to the stacist disc, and they tell you that once. So it's like, all right, well what about Ranto? This guy again? What was it week? You guess I don't even remember. I don't even remember. There's no like encyclopedia or something, and no, you
there, you mean a tron cyclopedia light cyclopedia. That's right? Breaking off? Man, fuck you guys. Who's gonna push stop on this podcast? Now that Ryan's gone? Guys, I'm still here. Whoa, I didn't actually leave the room. Wow. I know you, of all people should probably not be surprised by that fact. It's I'm weirded out. So uh yeah, there is there is some in game stuff about the enemies and stuff that you can actually view it from in the game. Do they explain like
why there's different discs? I thought the discs were where your identity live. I kind of always was confused by the purpose, Like they're supposed to be your identity disks, but then you can murder people with them. All yeah, well, you know they're useful as a weapon, But then why would I have four different identity discs? You don't. It's it's different programming that
you encode onto your existing disc, programming inside of my program. Yeah, basically, you know, I mean, because I think about, think about go back to the original Tron. Think about when Tron went to go communicate with Alan one. Yes, he got things encoded onto his disc that would help him defeat the MCP by a user, by a user. This is the same type deal. So as as you play, you level up, except for the fact that, like everything about the technology in Tron is kind
of horseshit. Yes, but putting that aside, Okay, putting that aside and coming with me on this journey. Buy into the tron ship here for a while. All right, all right, fair enough, fair enough. You level up, which they call versions, so you become like version sixteen and version seventeen and all that sort of stuff. No, it's no hacking,
mini games, no debugging, nothing like that. And you earn megabytes for leveling up that you then spend to upgrade your dude, and you get programs like health ping one point zero that in multiplayer mode will slowly restore your health megabytes and eighty nine. That's that's a lot of space. Yeah, absolutely, I had like a five megabyte hard drive. Yeah, you're getting like, guy, four megabytes a level here. By the end of it, you are an MFM hard drive of Porno Gifts. That's pretty much what
happens. Yes, dialing into a BBS get a virus. Yeah, so you're you're updating your character kind of as you go and buying these upgrades, and one of the upgrades you get like pretty late game unless you well so it's actually persistent across multiplayer and single player. So you would actually probably have a better time playing the single player if you played a ton of multiplayer first and leveling up your dude and went into the same and winning the single player
like level sixteen or seventeen. When you bought the auxiliary power for the Stasis disc. Oh, because I'm assuming it drains some kind of well of something every time you use it. Is that what you're saying, Like using you can't just spam right, Yeah, yeah, but it's fairly easy to restore that stuff. But there are passive powers for each of the discs that you can buy that when you So when I have Stasis Disc selected now, I
turned invisible, which is handy. You don't actually turn invisible, it's just like all your tronness fades out and they can't see they can't see you. So the awesome and crazy thing about this is you can just do it mid battle and you stop moving and don't get hit for a while. Just they all stop moving even after if they're they've already seen you. It's not like if they see you they keep attacking. You can just stop any fight at
any time I wanted. They just stand. Yeah, someone will kind of walk around a little bit, but for the most part, they just all just freeze. But your health doesn't regenerate. You have to you have to run over pads, right, yeah, but you can walk slowly in this state without coming visible again, So it gives you a chance to kind of punch out of any battle and go refill your health, which there were just some some checkpoints in that game or messed up at lower levels because you just
don't you don't. It doesn't feel like you have enough health to deal with the number of enemies they're throwing you at any at any given time. So it leads to you having to play overly defensively and just sit there and block and block and block and throw the stuff out. And it's it's not that's a really odd designed well because the game doesn't scale right to your light.
So yeah, I don't think so opening it up for this online or the multiplayer stuff to come back into the single player less must be a weird design issue to deal with of Like, well, some players are going to be leveled seventeen when they come to this. Some people are going to be leveled
two. Well. The weird thing is, you know, when you first start the game, I don't even think you have any of the secondary disc powers, Like heavy disc is the first one you get, and maybe you do start with that one, but I want to say you get that at like level two or something like that, so you can conceivably start the game with all four disc powers if you which you normally you know, you know, if you just go hit go, you're not gonna have So I don't
know. I don't think they change the game up for that stuff. But but I haven't gone back and played more of it after finishing it, so I don't really know how it begins again. And there's no kind of like matroity style, like you need to use this bomb disc on the just linear running way through? Yeah, super linear. Yeah, so there is a multiplayer. There is multiplayer. Yeah, they are talking about the multiplayer.
Are you talking about multiplayer. Yeah, I'll talk about the multiplayer. It's uh, you know, you have your persistency that you level up but then off. Also you kind of build load out slots like Call of Duty and you kind of slot these perks or whatever they call them. They're not the perks, disc mobs, disc powers, and you can slot three of those onto your game memory managers. Yeah. Yes, you put KEM two points its dost six point two two on there. It's a great game. PC
dust man myself whatever. Gross, Yeah, weird. They got weird utilities with that. That ain't cool. IBM International Business Machines. Yeah, so they've got you know, death match and team death match and zone control modes and some of the games have are are big enough maps for you to use the light cycles. Oh yeah, the light cycles so you can takes. Yeah, and there are pads little spawn tanks so you can get in the tanks and blow up light cycles. Can you pop that light takes, light
tanks, tanks? Can you pop that light cycle anytime you want? Not the single player, No, no, no, not at all. It's it's like a level. Yeah, it's like you're in a specific section and the single player all the light cycle stuff is just set piece racing get here before time expires type stock. But in the multiplayer, yeah, you can jump out of it at any point you'd want to jump out to control a node and then hopping your light cycle because these maps are really big. I
think light cycles are great as a thing. But if there's one thing that they've proven time and time again with all the Tron games they've made over the years and with all the you know, just fan made light cycle stuff, is that you need an overhead view. You need an actual tactical view of what the fuck is going on, especially because they're supposed to be really fast.
Yeah, so when you get that behind the back view and you don't really have a view of the map, you have no idea where other people's lines are, and you go through your own teams lines, which I think is kind of a weird thing. I understand why they would do that, but it just ends up being the situation where I feel like I'm never able
to really actively de res anyone in multiplayer on a light cycle. If it does happen, it's because I've been alive for a while, so my lines real long, and they just happen to run into it or something like that. So so that stuff just it's not great. The thrill of actually being in a light cycle is still kind of cool, and you can use the bumpers to do like the ninety degree turns and stuff. But you also have analog yeah control. Does that mean you can make like les with your line?
Yeah? But like the coolest LFE cycle stuff is actually in the single player game. Like there's just one part, like the first part where you get into a light cycle is you racing down a building that is collapsing, and it's fucking cool. It's just like, whoa, man, this is messed up. There's just recognizers everywhere doing bad stuff, and realizers never get used for good. They only ever, only ever show recognized, only ever
show up whenever when the bad things going down, there's a recognizing. Every happy to see a recognizer. No no you oh think god the recognizer here. Oh fuck, we gotta get out of here quick, down this building. Yeah. But it's so it's it's definitely got its missteps. You know, there's there's some stuff in there that that is often baffling. I mean a lot of the games stuff that I saw, it's just it's it seemed
very highly derivative of either Assassin's Creed or Prince of Persia. I get definitely get a lot more Prince of Persia than the Assassins create off of it. Well even just even just the way you were describing the combat of stuff. Yeah, now that you mentioned that, that probably sounds more ass but it's not one hit kill counter stuff like like Assassins that would actually be that was gonna say that that would make it if it was more like Assassin's Creed,
that would have improved the combat probably right. But but yeah, like the linear nature of the acrobatics and kind of what I've saw a scene of that stuff where it's very level based, very much like you have to trigger these things before the next door open, like those sorts of puzzling elements. Yeah, it's it's got some really cool moments and some moments that I that I've found to be a total drag, Like I think it ends up being kind
of a wash kind of in the middle. If you if you do really like Tron and care at all about the story of Tron, I think it's it's it's pretty cool worth checking out for that stuff. Like I could see someone checking it out for that stuff. But if you're just like I want an awesome action game, this is not an awesome action game. Very good, maybe not the legs on the multiplayer that will keep you coming back to I don't necessarily think so's it's it's uh like that stuff's okay. It seems
like what I saw of it seems sloppy, like it did. You know, you want a multiplayer experience that's either like fucking super precise and high speed like Call of Duty or you know, Battlefield something like that, or you want something where it just looks cool as shit, And I didn't feel like I necessarily got either of those out of the Yeah, the Tron multiplayer, Yeah, it's one of those. It's one of those things that it was,
like we were talking about earlier today. It's one of those games that, like, two weeks after this comes out, it's gonna be a waste slam, like who's gonna play? Like, who's who's gonna like this? This is not an addition to the game that's gonna keep people from selling it back or or anything like that, Like if if that's the business reason, So I'm definitely curious to check out that single player. You know, yeah,
I think it's it's worth seeing. Like, it's definitely like and like I said, like a you know, I kind of had a rough idea of what the movie was about, but coming out of the game like, oh okay, because that kind of this is happening and here's why and and this is this is all that stuff, and I found that all to be like super interesting. I can't wait to talk to you after the movie comes
out. It'll be my first three D movie really. Yeah. Ever, I mean of the modern every current of the non red Blue Glasses, How does how does how does having played this game make you feel about the Pirates of the Caribbean cancelation? The same guys making it, same studio, Yeah, same studio, but I mean there was different people, so you kind of assume that there is common leadership at the top and yeah, common culture
to some extent. Yeah, I don't know, you know, it's it's it was funny because it going back to like E three, when you looked at the two games, you were like, Pirates, Yeah, Tron, I don't know, we'll see about We'll see about Tron. Tron could be all right, it could be pretty bad, and it turns out as it's about as in the middle as you could get. But but Pirates was the game that, like that demo looked cool. You're like, oh, man, okay, this is clearly if they can make a whole game like this,
then it'll be okay. But my guess is that the rest of the game was not looking like that or something so unfortunate. Yeah, yeah, all that Pirate stuff is is unfortunate. But you know, Jeff Krishman, do you have anything non tron related to bring I ended up watching tron fucking tron hole, buying comic books based on Tron. Yeah, this was at one point I was like, man, it's I have I have had so I think it was like the first week I bought my laptop, someone sent
me a page, like an instructibles page. I said, here's how to make like an em or like el like electroluminescent clothing, like here's how to put tron tubes on a jacket. I looked at it and said, that's awesome, I should do that. And it's been bookmarked ever since and I've never done it. Maybe now the time time we're gonna go to you, like scratch off a lot of like Glow in the Dark, watch Hands or
something. No, I don't know what it is. There's like specific tubing snakes, you know, crack and then yeah, we used to have those at the roller snakes that you cracked those A lot of cracking snakes is some sort of like Long Island drug reference. We go crack some snakes, a little snakes, bring a coupon, bring cop'ren go crack some snakes and talk to the visible man. Put it on the pizza. Put it on the pizza, Pippen. What else I play? I don't know. I had
a play in a bunch of black ops. Mm hmm, shot guys. That's yeah, that's that maintained. Yeah, just play more Grants Roismo. Oh yeah I did, Actually, yeah, I totally drive. Did I did play probably about four hours a grand release something like that. Kids getting excited about driving, Yeah, that's always good for America, none of none of us, none of us getting excited. I was excited. I still I'm excited. I was excited. And then parts of that game looked real
weird. Yeah, and I don't know what's going on with that music. But yeah, I don't really like any of the menu music. Basically any part of that game where you're not actually driving seems like it was made by crazy people, Like it was made by people that haven't played a game in about six years. I don't know what's what happened with some of that stuff. And again I have men you and just like I found at one point,
I was looking at my car in my garage. It was my sick ass starter civic that I had spent a munch of money on to get it up over two hundred horse power. Was still white. It was still white. Nice uh, and I made my guy blue again. Also, I had to start all over Becau. Apparently their online servers were on fire. I heard that that was a big part of why we were having so much trouble. Yeah, yeah, quick, look is is? Well? Also your time is Your time and date were wrong, so so obviously why are
you trying to eat the correct time? Anyway, So in the garage there was a button marked to share with friends, and I thought, well, cool, I totally want to show everyone on my friends list my ill ass civic. Yeah uh, and then I hit that not I didn't really know what it was gonna do. It didn't really say anywhere like what this did. I was like, sure it, you're gonna share with friends. Check out my ill last Civic. But once it was shared, I could no
longer drive it. Oh you gave it to a friend? No, it's shared. I don't know what they were seeing, but I don't know if they could drive it, or if they could look at it, or what the benefit of sharing actually does that part? I don't know. But it deleted the car. No, but the car was basically there, and it was but it was, like I would say, it shared with friends was lit up and I could not get into the car. Give somebody else the
keys. I don't know. I don't know. So then I was like, well, all my other cars are not good enough to win or even enter these races, so I need to get my Civic back. So I went back there and hit share with Friends again and said like, do you want to stop sharing with Friends? I said yes, and it would sit there for about let's say thirty seconds forty five seconds to come back and say
the upload failed, like great, thanks, and I that enthusiastically. Hey, hey buddy, the blood failed, like the upload of your preference. I don't even know. I don't even know it was the most bizarre, and I'm like, what does it even happening? So I turned it off, and then you tried it a little bit more the next day and was able to get my fucking Civic. Once I stopped sharing it, I could get into it and actually drive it. It's like and and then then I
unlocked the NASCAR stuff, and it's just like this zombie Jeff Gordon. This this game has kind of everything in It's got like cart racing, it's got Nascar. There's some open wheel stuff in there. I guess drifting. Yeah, there's drifted races. There's off roads boardings. Yeah. Uh, there's a two D fighting game in there somewhere. Coop Cooper's got a biplane, yeah, exactly. There's Diddy Kong Racing. Actually just unlocked Diddy Kong Racing.
I don't know how they swung that, but it's in there, Red Dot Sites, Car, Zombie Mode, Tron. So it's just like like at some point they just said, let's put everything we can think of in this game. Yeah, and like at one point maybe someone a long boy said, shouldn't we make sure like it's all awesome? They're like no, but it sounds like stuff. It's pretty awesome. It sounds like the wheel, the actual behind the wheel when street racing. The premium cars or well,
whatever I drive, I don't drive from cockpit view. I I don't like it. So I did hear that's kind of, uh, kind of a set state of affairs for people who like David says he loves cockpit view, but like on those non premium cars, that's yeah, that's kind that's pointless, kind kind of ship. What do you get? You don't get like custom cockpit art or so you don't get any there's no cockpit view standard cars. Yeah, I think I don't want to. I'm not sure because
I haven't played it, but that's what sounds. Yeah, that's civic that I have does not happen. It's just like floating cam. It's just lumbercam. Yeah. Yeah. So they've got like bumper cam, hood cam, you know behind the back back like chase view or whatever. But you wouldn't want that. Yeah, so it's like they don't they don't have that.
Like at some point, I guess, I don't know, I questioned the decision to go for quantity over quality because it really seems like that's what they did from from looking at all the stuff that's available, and you look at it and you're like, it's kind of overwhelming because they're like, man, there's all these menus, and there's like five menus too many for every single option that I want to do. But man, there's a lot in this
game. But then you kind of get to it and you're like, well, I don't really want I don't really want to drive a NASCAR uh, Like as a half asked kind of side thing, like people that want NASCAR will go buy the NASCAR game, and there are games out there that do off road racing better, you know, So it's like, why would you turn to Grant Resmo for all these specialty types of racing When you've got like dirt or when you've got you've got like that style, Like like those games
dedicated to that style of racing are almost always gonna end up being more satisfying, I think, than than something that is spreading itself so thin. But does anyone ever bring that that quite the same level of Like I think a lot of people would argue that, you know, stuff like dirt is fairly arcady. I think it's as far as as far as the way that they represent and because the thing about Grand Treisma has always been just like pure simulation,
like this is just this is like driving the car's flight simulator. I feel like it's probably best when you're driving actual cars on the actual courses. Yeah, not the like for that. Yeah, it's probably unmatched, but well in terms of console games, like E Racing is probably is probably better. I still know. I still agree though that you know, for Grand Tresmo, what I would want from Grand Tresmo is closed course, like fucking high end cars. Yeah, like that's those are those are the factors well
from what I sell. And you guys were playing in the snow, it's like if you compare that to something like dirt right, and it's like those guys understand that, like they want to get their cars dirty. There's gonna be mud flying everywhere, there's gonna be stuff on your windshield, all sorts of all the stuff you want from track deformation. Yeah, and like when you guys are on the snow, it really did look like, hey, we're making a sim here, like flight simulator, and we're not really worried
about that stuff. We're more concerned, We're less concerned about what it looks like we're more concerned about putting time laps on or something like that. You know, like we understand that you're gonna be basically getting too if you get too close to the ground texture, it's gonna look weird. And we never
expect you to do that. And like the puffs of snow that were coming out from the car, and like you said, like other games that focus on that stuff are gonna model that stuff, and that's all we're gonna do. We have to make their dirt and mud look great. Our game is called dirt. Yeah, we can't not have good dirt and that stuff looks great. And even stuff like a motor storm like that stuff when you're that's super arcadie, like you're going through mud and stuff that looks great. I
mean storms, this the motorized storms. I don't know how the handling was, but it looked weird. It looked it looked like something like it didn't necessarily feel like I was driving on snow. It was. It was a little slippy or a little a little looser or something like that, but it didn't feel like a true off road racing game. I don't know, I don't know Dave's been playing the shit out of it for for review purposes, enjoying Simy's really enjoying the part where you drive the cars, but but not
so much. And I've got my copy and I don't want to jump into it soon. But it's kind of one of the reasons why I'm stilling the fence of that wheels like I kind of and maybe this is idiotic of me, but I kind of feel like I'm just not going to get the proper experience if I don't for some reason, like they're forcing me to be like, no, this is the same game, Like this isn't you want to enjoy this properly. Still, I've always just felt like wheels don't go far
enough, like they don't feel like in games like that. When I've driven with a wheel I just feel more detached from it than I would with a controller, because it's like they get some of the feedback in there, but it too, you know. Then then all of a sudden, it's like,
well, now I don't have any inertia, you know. Now you know I'm not in a moving car, and and this I don't I don't feel I'm not getting the feedback through the pedals and the wheel and stuff that I would necessarily get out of a real car, to the extent that I would get it out of a real car, right, So it doesn't feel like it's a Yeah, it's just like it uncanny valley of driving controllers or something. The closer they get, the more you just notice, like it
doesn't feel right. Then you're just noticing the interface. It's like it's it's with a controller. It's kind of more visible, right, like even though more to play everything, it's more abstracted. But like that doesn't I saw I saw when I was looking about getting the wheel stuff, I saw somebody who had said they had mapped the gear shift onto the right analog stick for
a grant Roismo. And that's pretty genius. That sounds like a great idea because that's the thing like with a I hate shifting on the shoulders, I kind of climbing up with stuff. Yeah, but maybe on the thumb stick it will be fun. I don't know. I think different people are gonna want different things out of a racing game, and I think there's a real specific crowd of people that grant Raismo is exactly what they want. But that seems like now more than ever that seems like a narrow group. I think
that UI stuff is a real turn off. It's crazy, is baffling, like just just nested menus and just just like the layout of menus on the screen. Like try to go to the options menu sometime and look at all the wheel stuff. Yeah, and look at they set it up. It's like there are different options on just like main menu for controllers or whatever, for every type of wheel. They officially support player one and player two, so it's like I need set player two's Logitech G twenty five settings, and
that's in there as a separate old menu. It's like, why not just have like wheel settings and then go in there and pick which type of wheel you have? All the very stuff when they shouldn't, and they expose it when they should. Yeah, it's yeah, it's very weird. It's weird. Installing weird, a weird thing to critique a game on, but something that was I think pretty noticeable. Yeah, I'm just like I don't know
where to go. Also, the installing. When you start the install, it says this will take about twenty minutes, and it says that for about thirty minutes. Well then the fact that it never loads. It just installs. I think it's kind of funny, like like I watching that quickly. The feedback is even if you do that, install, like every loading screen still just says installing, right, so it's like installing more after. It's like they never wanted to say it's a trick of the minds never say loading,
and they never can complain about load times. It's just in stall salt snakes standing they're smoking a cigarette. You don't even know it's done. That if they just had solid snakes and they're smoking a cigarette, that if they've just been a car spinning donuts. But sometimes it seems like the screen just hangs yeah, and it's just like, why I assume this is loading?
Not kind of the major loads. It'll fade out to that like transparent GT logo, but no progress bar, right, no progress bar, nothing like that. It just kind of sits there for a bit. It's just like, hang out, listen to this smooth jazz. I'll get some Boston Ova for you and then later that's that's probably the thing that bumms me out the most about the jazz is like I actually like the jazz is great. This is bad jazz, you know, like you don't like smooth jams. No,
not at all, Like there's really great jazz. I like JA jazz. It's my favorite jazz. Japanese jass, smooth j jazz, smooth j jazz. It's it's so j smooth j jazz. It's Japanese smooth and it's Japanese jazz. It's like the worst. It's literally, yeah, j smooth jazz. And that the new cartoon cat that Paul Abdul's are rapping with. Yeah, and she Scatt that's out arrested jazz is in. It's just like it's it's really elevator music. It just sounds like the I would say this.
I think it sounds like what I would expect to hear, like in the lobby of a high end car dealership. I don't even like it. Yeah, if I if I walked into the Jaguar dealership think in San Francisco, it's kind of what I would expect to hear. So like, I think I think that it matches that it it fits the car catalog vibe, that that they kind of want that whole game to give off. That doesn't make it not fucking really terrible but it's but it seems to like some of
this stuff has been in previous grand Urismo games. But I feel like even with like Prologue, like they rain it in, they rain a lot of that stuff there sure and make it like relatively easy to get around and relatively easy to Like. The car catalog thing, I think worked a lot better even in prologue than it does here here. It just doesn't. It's like the car models. It just takes so much time to appear and all the stuff, like you just sit there and notice like every little thing, because
it's it gives you plenty of time to notice it. You can't stream any music off here or hard Driver didn't see. I'm like, oh, I don't know if this certain specific games actually do let you. I think they do let you pull your own music for the game. I want to say, I saw that unlock that that's for. I've heard some stuff about the Japanese version having also completely different music in it. That's that's par for the
course. The middle, it's the best. The best music the Grand Riismo has ever had has been the car wash music in the Japanese version of I want to say the first Grand Rearismo that's been the best they have car washing in this, but it's they need to bring back the original car wash music. I'm unfamiliar with this. What do you do during a car wash part? It's it's been well actually in the first car was no, that'd be good. But no, they have their own car wash theame I got,
No, you did not. This is not a first person car wash. In this they actually showed dudes wiping your car down real quick, like you can also change the oil. This show got changed. I don't know. I didn't change it. Well, did always change your cost money? Yeah? Cross when you've washed the car too? Any any headway on the head tracking stuff it's in there, I didn't get anything. I didn't turn it on. Online reports from people say it's not so hot, but I don't
know. I haven't tried that stuff since E three, where I didn't necessarily think it was all that cool. I can't wait to dig in. I want to check it out. You can't turn with a move controller. No, no, strapped to the top of your head. God no, Well, I mean even just like turn the like I'm holding a steering wheel, but I've got two move controllers in my hands. Don't move your feet. Yeah, hunch did Treo is gonna drive this car? Yeah, I don't
know. I'm still very curious about it. Back Grand Reason. Do you think they'll make another one? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. There's some quote like the week before that this had actually shipped, where dude from Polyphony it was saying, yeah, we're thinking about Grand chrismas sex, Like, no, you're not. I mean, don't get to I bet this game sell as well. I mean it's gonna again. I have my copy sitting there ready to go. It's a I bought two
of them. Yeah, and you know that's huge and I bet it's it's really big in Japan. I'm sure it's huge in Europe, and uh, I bet it'll sell decently in the States. So I wonder what they probably has the best name recognition of any yeah, racing game out there for video games. Yes, it's not like there's a ton of competition for serious racing games either. So you know, if you're any kind of racing games, that's true. Yeah. If if you're like sitting there going like, well,
I don't really care about need for speed because it's for kids. Yeah, then this is kind of it. This and forts and are all you get, so but pick one or the other. My wonder is will it will it sell? What they think it will sell? Like I think we'll do fine, but I wonder if it'll sell. I think I don't even know what they're what they would think that that game should sell really considering how much times, what kind of costs are there to years of development. I
don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It kind of doesn't matter. I don't think that you can I don't know. I don't quantify. I don't think you can think that way. I think when you're talking about you know, kind of a prestige title like this, this is, and how long have they actually been working on it, Like it's been six years since the last game. But it doesn't mean they just like one week later went like all right, let's go. It's not like Full Team ramp
Up for six years. I'm sure there's probably like some dudes sitting around thinking about like when this PlayStation three comes out. You know what, I don't want to do this BMWs. I like BMW's two. You guys want to take some microphones out and put them under BMW. Let's school. Let's go to BMW town. All right, So what we also like like audies? You want to take some microphones out put? Yeah, let's do. Let's go buy some outies. We got to like GT four forecast. It's a
really good microphone. We need new microphones. Those last microphones we use our shot and then it was like a year ago. They're like, we can't record all these cars. We recorded as many cars as we could, already recorded a bunch of cars for with our old microphones to just use those, how would we just bring those in? And how's it? How's our copo guy doing? He's doing? No, seriously, how's he doing? How many cars has he done? Fine? Like you know, we've only got
the one guy? All right? So all right, so we're just we should have a meeting. We can't. We can't put cockpits into all of these games. I think it's okay if the car logo license plate on this car looks like it fell out of a PlayStation two? Who is going to fight me on this? You guys want to ship this game? Right's let's go with us and we can. We can do these cars. We can we can ship this game which like you know, a decent amount of cars, or watch this, watch do the import thing? We import all the
old cars from all the old games. Boom yeah, or we do that? Do it? Do it? Go go go, I want to go test have some more outies. Absolutely scene our little play the development of granting there SMO five. Thank you for joining us. The preceding was the work of fiction created by people with multiple religious flatures. Breast Shoemaker Borderlands, Borderlands talking more like moorder, I got nothing. What's up with? My girlfriend calls it boring Lands. She hates it, really she does not. It
doesn't seem like a game to watch. It can't be a pleasant game to watch. It is a punishing game to watch. It's it's a pretty awesome game to play until the end when it fucking suns. You experienced the full arc. I know why that it got like, man, I love this game, but oh it's now. I agree with everything you said about that game a year ago. Yeah, dude, that the rack Hive and that final boss I had left off somewhere in New Haven like rust Commons a couple
hours before the rack Hive. No thanks to Vinny, dude, I made it out made it through the end of the game. I could have. I't. I didn't want to interrupt your your plowing through the story of that game. Uh yeah, Me and a buddy from back home played through the end of the regular game. Yeah so Mark, Yes, okay, opened uh opened the vault? Yeah man, Yeah, that you might at the
end of that game is pretty terrible. That if like if I had been you, if I had bought that game when it came out and played all the way through it, and that's all there was, Like I've got four DLC packs to play, right, Yeah, but a lot of the promise
of that game. But yeah, it's when that game was new. If you got to that point, that was all there was, and it was either play through all of it again by standing still, by standing still and pushing the trigger over and over again, two consecutive losses at the end of the game. That's all you do. Yeah, just so much room for improvement. Yeah. So you still have all the deals? Yeah yeah, so makes me feel make me feel good about playing the deal. So well,
you're like level twelve or something. Let's do bring me out all right, I don't even can you do that? I'm pretty low want to finish the game. Let's go. Let's go finish the game. Let's make an appointment. Okay, message me, I will okay, I'll send you an invite, can play, you can play through. I still need to finish Borderlands man too. I heard that game is pretty good. It's not bad that there's a lot of room for improvement. Should they make a sequel?
Are you playing solow Lo? It was answered the question I have a soldier soldia, friend had a hunter the bird. Everyone has a soldier. Yeah, I've got a soldier, I think, Yeah, Drew's got a soldier. You got a soldier? Like lots of soldiering here, but so so Yeah. I mean, I guess since since that my speakers going hammer great, uh, since that Game of the Year edition is newish, Yeah, I guess, Like how to play the DLC is kind of a pertinent topic, and also I need to know, so tell me, well, I
mean, you mean, like, what order to? I mean I think you could totally just jump into it now and play through whatever you want to. Yeah, any order you want, Like it's not like General Knox is right after the end of the main game or just a sort of doesn't matter. Okay, like it's it's all separate enough to where you could play General Knox without having finished the main game. But General Knox was the last one that came well Cloud the last the General Knox is the one they positioned as
kind of like the continuation of games. That was the one that had the level cap raise and all that stuff. Yeah, but at the same time, you know that stuff scales, so you could kind of play it whenever. Uh. And in addition to that, the way they've written it, all those things kind of take place slightly out of fiction or something like that. Like they're all set as like goofy stories that you're not really sure where
they take place or when they take place. They all kind of are I guess they do kind of mentioned like it's after the vault has been open like stuff. It seems like a yeah, that's a completely fictional sidebar. It's like they kind of have story. Yeah, none of the story stuff matters in any of that stuff for for the most parts, So we say that about the main game as well, but yeah, kind of it's kind of just like Level Up Quest Shoots. Yeah, now that the main game,
like you're fine to play any of that DEALC in any order. But if if someone said, like I didn't want to finish the main game, I wouldn't play all this stuff. Like I wouldn't be like, oh, you did it wrong. It's it's fine, but to some references to uh, you know, late game main quest stuff are made in some of those DLC packs, but not not references that actually matter. All right, So that was your whole break. No, I played other stuff, but it's all
stuff that's been discust to add nauseum. Tell me, yeah, you like it. Thanks for teaching me how to drift, man. I can totally play that game now. It's awesome. I beat some of Jeff's times. I'm so excited. Great, oh man. And also there's like you and maybe two other people on my entire friends list who are still doing the events
that I'm doing now. No, like I would love to see. I'm sure he has got their internal data of like here's all the people that started the game, and it's like, what is the number of people that have completed this event? Yeah, because I checked, I've got like close to the thirty people and my friends list playing that game. Wow. But I'm like level seven as a cop and it's you justin uh, like maybe one other dude, yeah, and Rich on the leaderboards and me, and that's
it. At level seven. That's not even like halfway through one half of the progression. Yeah, that's crazy. I think it's you know, hopefully it's because people are just really digging the online because the online is really good. Well, it's also like the that single player is structured in such a
way. I've only played a couple of hours of it, but like between the like cop progression and the racer prog and it would be easy for you to like get half a level up in cop stuff and decide, all right, I'm just gonna go and do some racer stuff while so I got yeah, I'm like level ten and both. Really I decided to just like I'm just playing straight cop right now. The cops, I think, at least at least kind of like right off the bat, like the equipment is like
the EMP and all that stuff. I know, you get some of that stuff as a racer, but it's a lot a lot heavier. It's just it feels more like burnout when you're playing kind of It's it's like stop the car. How do you stop the car? Wreck the car. Okay, all right, yeah, oh I played, Okay, I know how to play this game. Then we're good. Give me that heavy and also I get to drive the Crown VIC and more than anything, I love driving that
fucking that interceptor beautiful car. Yeah, I think I was mostly driving a three seventiesy cop car. I think I think effective for taking people back to jail. I think, yeah, yeah, I don't have to got to kill him a body bag, knock them off. This this bridge, not online, really is a lot of fun. I wish that you spent less time. This is like a common theme in driving games now, way less time and menus than you do. I feel like the time that you're not
racing in that game is excessive. Yeah. The menu for the career stuff, I feel is is not great because it is so focused about beating your friends times and stuff like that that you know, if you don't want to do that and you just want to like finish events and all that, and it's it's not always easy to dig through the map and go to the ones you haven't played. And I wish that there was just a here's what the next thing is? Yeah, yeah, play next makes you miss Burnout Paradise.
Yeah, anyway, Uh, Dead Nation, let's talk about dead nations real quick. An he played some Dead Nation. Yeah, I don't know anything about that nation. It's it's house Mark. It's out today. It's house Mark, the guys who did Superstar dost HD. It's on the place. I don't know. Actually, I don't think so. I don't remember seeing any three option. This game is not run it's sixty frames a second like Startus did, so I don't know if it would really lend itself to
so much. It's a top down little joystick zombie shooter. Uh, and it's pretty good. How is it different from Burn Zombie Burn? Well, that that is a super like cartoony arcady sort of high score chase. And this is like kind of like lightly story driven. Is it like like a level based with like like level based and with a like sort of character development progression, so like comic panels or something. Yeah. Yeah, it's like like graphic novel looking motion comic stuff. For the story. I mean,
the story is basically whatever, it's did you get zambies? The whole thing feels like left for Dead. There's like boomer ripoffs and stuff like that. But from like a top down Yeah, but from a top down perspective. Alien Swarm is that the PC one was the game. I guess it's a little bit like that, like that graphic style that was like yeah, yeah, yeah that that game is like scenario based, though this is very linear.
Go through level one, the level two, it's but it's got two co op online, which is cool and like the persistence of leveling up. But yeah, like you you basically unlock lots of new weapons and a bunch of upgrades for them and different pieces of armor and stuff. But shoot the hell out of some zombies. Yeah, but a lot of the particulars on the combat design are really off putting to me, like the super far out camera, like everything is really small, but everything's also super dark, so
it's really hard to see what's attacking you and where it's coming from. Zombies man, Yeah, you know, I guess you canna wear flashlights on their head. Yeah, be ready, unless they were miners before. Yeah, that's a different game. There there are let's see, there have been Hasmat zombies, cops, zombies, clown zombies. I think that hast still sound like Left for Dead. I know, it all feels like you end up in a carval at one point, and that's where the clown zombies come in.
Like for five dollars sale, I didn't have that. That's cheaper than this. We should just play that. Yeah, hasn't I don't. I don't really for super cheap A while ago and I still haven't. I left it. Did Two's really good? I know I should know it again? Too long ago. I did that. I did two after our board land. Yeah, it will play Fable two. No, I don't want to do that. Oh yeah, and then I got Oh I got all the nomes in Fable three? Did you god? Fuck that game? Never playing
that game. Someone say that if you wait like twenty minutes or sleep for the eliving or twenty days or something. I saw that, Yeah, you would get all the people back. Did you up getting people? I think I had to the houses as well. I didn't manually make my guys sleep over and over, but i'd certainly like passed a few days in game time getting the nomes and nothing ever happened. There are still dead bodies lying all over the place in the world. Not only are no living people come back,
but you didn't get that in yours I got. I got like, it wasn't until after you mentioned it, because I didn't really have any for one thing, the expressions in Fable three are fucking useless and dumb and right, So so I was like, I have no There was never any any
reason for me to go in do the interaction things. So I hadn't even really noticed that my world was kind of depopulated until I was like, Okay, I'm gonna you know, I'm wrapping up some of these achievements, so I want to go and make friends with twenty people and you know, have six wives and murder two of them and do all that weird stuff I could. Eventually. It was just that they were the population was so thin. But no, you did have enough people then, because I have no one.
Yeah, literally don't. I couldn't find six women to marry if I wanted to. But there are dead bodies, there are corpses of townspeople. Ever, let me let me spin you a tail. Then you'll you'll appreciate you'll appreciate this. So Wednesday night, last Wednesday, right before Thanksgiving break, next morning, I was going to hop up nice and early and get in my car and drive Fresno California for my annual Thanksgiving celebration with the family.
So I had popped in the Fable three having I believe maybe the day prior, having bought the U the Understone, Yes Understone Quest pack, which is part of the Day one d C. It was already in the download that you had to get on Day one, but which like kind of the worst thing about what that pack represents is missions that you can grind on so you can get the last of the emblem, the Guild seals, the Guild seals that you need to unlock the chests on the Road to Ruin or whatever.
Uh So it's just like and it's it's the shitty like arena and shooting gallery things that were built into Fable two, but they turned them into a seven dollars DLC pack and you can go through and you can go repeat the uh the stuff in Rever's mansion. Oh, it's basically as like a repeat Gladiator. You can play through all those waves of like arena cover again.
So it's it's in that context, but it's it's the Wheel of Misfortune and it's just like and it's like the fucking the tower in Fable two where you would go through the arena and then here's a different arena with a different type of enemy. It's kind of crazy that they want to charge you money for the privilege of doing that stuff repeatedly. There is okay, but there is actually a good quest as part of all that. The under City quest is
a good quest that's actually good. So that part that's kind of like the part of it that justifies any of it. Anyway, I was just playing some Vable three by myself and one John Vignyaki decides to hop into my game. He had been playing Fable three as well, and he needed to get married. He needed to do all that stuff, get married and you know, a kid and started partnership and all that jazz. So I'm like, we can we can do that. We can work that out. We'll get
gay married and we'll adopt a gay soon and it'll it'll be great. I need to adopt a son anyways, because I already turned the orphanage into a whorehouse in my city, so I could not actually have an orphan I could not adopt an orphan because there weren't orphanages because I did that. Anyways, so we're running around in my world for a bit, and I was kind of experimenting, like, oh, let's let me go on one of these under City Let's go on the under City quest and see if you can actually
tag along. And he could, so that's kind of cool. You don't need to buy the DLC. If you have a friend that has the DLC, you can still go on that mission. And that's why they put it in that mandatory down. Yeah, everyone has to have it right, right, so it's a yeah, like like that part I didn't, That wasn't so bad. So we go through some of that stuff and kind of reach the point we're like, Okay, there's nothing else that I can do here
and in my city. Oh that's when we reached the point where I'm like, I want to let's go adopt a kid because he needed to have the the pregnancy achievement and I needed the adoption achievement. So we're like, hey, let's quit out of my world and I'll go join your world and then we can do these things. So we we get over there and we take care of that business, and they're like, Okay, let's let's go do some quests because I still need to grind out some more Guild Seals and I
had some other stuff. So all right, there's a mission out in in Aurora. So we we go out to Aurora and we do this mission out in the dirt. Find a bunch of those shadows and sand furies ladies, desert Ninjas, the desert Ninjas, and we were like, all right, desert Injas are dead. We accomplished whatever stupid task we need to do out in this pit. Let's run back. So we're running back and there's, you know, there's one of those big fucking doors where it's clearly like you're
running down kind of a short corridor and then there's the big door. But you're never actually supposed to reach the door because it's the load point before you get into the next zone, right, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's a load box or whatever. Yeah, it's like everybody get the
door and then fade to glowed scene screen or whatever. Well I made it to the door and through the door, and then I started falling into so I'm like, oh, this is I'm trying to tell like I've got Johnny on my head, said, I'm trying to try to tell im like, oh this is I'm gone, this is tea what and then he's and then the next thing I hear is like, oh shit, I fell into this void? What the fuck is gone? I'm like, all right, yeah, we're both We're both here. This is this is bad. And I'm
like, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna quit out of this. Let's start this up again. You can invite me again. And then I hear him on his end say do I want to save yes? Oh man, oh man, And I said, and I'm like, uh, all right, let's try loading it back up. Johnny like not not not kind of reviewing my hand to him at this point of what I think has just happened, what horrible mistake he might have just made. But sure enough, now
is he falling now? Every time he loads up his game, which I should also mention, he was in the like king state, and he was he was on track to have the good ass ended he was. He was like doing it. He was in there, he was in his zone, and he'd put a lot of time. He said that he had put like, you know, thirty hours into his game. And it's got to be something can record. He's got to be able to like load everything every time, every time he loads it back up. When he hits pause, he
gets the abbreviated pause. Men, you not the oh the like like the little room he change your sound settings? Yeah, like the one where it's just like three menu options, So he can't so I can invite him into my world still, Yeah, like I can load up my game because since I was in his world, every time I load up my game, I'm just hey, I'm fine, everything's cool over here and in my albion.
But since he is constantly falling and never on his solid surface, he can never pull up that Men, you should like invite anyone into his constantly tumbling through a void? Can you kill him? I feel Can you can get to him? Can you jump in there with him? No? I can't get to his worlds Oh you can't join it? No, because he's constantly
falling, he can't. Yeah, why don't I feel like? This was the part where Rod Sterling comes in and deliver some kind of little monologue about like maybe he'll reach a bo I felt so bad because I was, like, I just witnessed and was party to the complete fucking ruination of something right. John Vinyaki's Fable three game, which he had clearly poured some serious time into It's weird. It's weird. You can't be some way to like fast travel, right, If you can't get that many do anything? Man?
Well, sometimes I don't know. Sometimes it maps to the deepad right, maybe if he waits long enough something, I'll map onto that deep I wont if he'll still be like accruing money, yeah, just falling right, totally, can never spend this lass, as you say, there's that's your O
Henry story for sure. That's basically what happened to me when I was reviewing that game, when I got stuck on that part where the enemy fell through the world, and I quit out to get back into it because that enemy had to die for me to progress, And it saves everything, every single variable about the state of your world. Like a game that prone to being that flaky should not preserve itself exactly that that. It's like, I feel so bad, it's got to be so terrible. No, he's fucked.
He could solve the problem by just not playing the game anymore. What's a real bumber, Because he was like super close to the end and he was going to close the deal he wanted. Yeah, he wants achieving points or even just the game wrap up. That's only an extra ten points to save everybody. That's not a big deal, But like for me to get that would be I wonder if I could get that finishing the game alongside someone else. Yeah, can he can he jump into your game and just beat it
again or something? Well, and then he can't jump into my world because my rod already happened. I'd have to join his albion or someone else's albion. So the only way he can play that game now is through somebody else with that character. With that character, that character only exists as someone else's co op companion. And so in order for you to join his game,
he asked, I haven't checked in with him. So this was last Wednesday, and it was the last meaningful video game experience I had conference him in get some call him on the phone and find out what's going on. Also, let's talk to him about Tron. Let's get this all out of the way right now. Yeah, do you play poker too? Right? Do you play? My girlfriend played it? Oh? Scary him? Should played like? According to steam stats, almost ten hours of poker nuts while you
were playing? Uh, I was playing Borderlands, Boring Lands. I was playing Boring Lands. She was getting me all the sea up, she got me all the t F two items and all the two of the achievements. She's a good poker player. It's a good poker player. You don't need to be a good poker player to play that game. Well, it's good enough for that game. Yeah, you can. You can kind of push
around that a yeah, probably, Actually she was. Yeah, I was actually so proud that she was figuring out how to game achievements because god, what was it others achievement for going for winning after like going all in three times in a row and winning all three times, and she was like, it doesn't matter what your hand is is if you just go all in on the first hand, then, like like everybody, the rabbit will always like to fold and ball, you know. She was like figuring out, like
trick it into make it like letting her win this. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's it's super simple behavior. If you re raise, they fold like most of the time pretty much pretty much. That's my experience was sometimes they don't and then they go oh, but then it's like whatever, I just lost another ten thousand. Yeah, So that's My only complaint about that game was like, yah, I got to a point with that game where
I was wishing that you could skip the dialogue. It didn't seem like that was uniform because I was kidding every button I could when I was doing one on one, Did you try the right mouse button? You know? I didn't. That's what they were saying. And they said when they said right click, they meant like the you didn't actually try every button. I don't know. I were correctly. I probably did try every button on the mouse,
though, So they do kind of repeat themselves a little. And even though I turned off the the bleeping, some dialogue is still I would get that occasionally, like like randomly weird, like it wasn't I have an on good authority that the patches fourth filming. I would imagine some issues and imagine that that would benefit from a patch. I wish you could see your dude, and I wish you won stuff that like lute that you can play on because your dude is garden free. Yeah, totally, God, think about
it. Think about it. I blew your mind. If they had just leaving. I'm no, I'm in here all by myself. Was the surpri it's just been Brad doing all these voices. He is the master. Wow, Michael Winslow. If they had just named your character Gordon in that game, and I had all the characters just address you as Gordon without ever saying Freeman or anything, do you think they could have gotten around paying the licensing?
You should just put a crowbar up on me. I don't. I don't think that that the Valve people would have hit them use the heavy if they had sneakily tried to get Gordon Freeman into the game trademarks in first name. You know who they're talking up. No Freeman Saint's game. Ain't Freeman there? You go done? Put in there? It's better. I think he's videos gonna go make his millions writing dialogue for poker games. But then Jonathan Freak says, that's why they call me number one on the page.
Brad, do you have anything? Oh, I'm good. I mean, I played a lot of stuff. I want to hear about epic Mickey Sols moving. I was we did that quick look, we did that quick look. That was the last of the epic Mickey that I played, watched the epic intro. I was then in Fresno. Oh, you were decidedly an epic. I like the Hampton Inn I was staying in. That was nice, but bring a TV. No, wait, do hotel TVs let you hook up consoles now at the Hampton Ends it does really Yeah, fucking HDMI
up in there full hook ups. TV was a little dim which out full internet too. Wow, welcome to the future, Hampton Ends. I cannot recommend them enough. The room was huge. That a nice LCD that I get hooked shit up to. Wait, don't you have a family you can stay with? There was other family that was staying with that family. There's only there's only one bedroom at Grandma's house other than Grandma's. I don't want to sleep in either of those rooms, all right, So Hampton In that's
cool. Hotels sometimes fun. I spent more it was. It was nice, but I brought I brought a bunch of game stuffing like, man, I can get some some time in here. But it didn't work out. Although I did set up. I did set something up, and so there's wired internet in the in the room as well as wireless, but it's like
fucking put pass codes in kind of stuff. So consoles don't know how to deal with the wireless and the wired was just the one jacket was too far from the TV I had my laptop hook up to that anyways, So I spent probably more time hooking up figuring out how to share the connection from my laptop to the wireless adapter on the three sixty clone the Mac address. No, No, I didn't have to do anything that crazy. Last time I
was in a hotel room that had an Xbox in it. Yeah, I spent a good forty five minutes going, I'm gonna get this fucking thing online. Fucking what you What you need to do is you need to define certain the router and DNS settings as being the IP address on your laptop, as well as what the actual router is from the connection you're hooked up to. You plug those into the right fields and you can make some gold pretty easily. So I was just cloning the Mac address and then disconnecting the laptop from
the hotel wireless and connecting the Xbox. It was working, but not Yeah, like they had a bunch of ports blocked on their end that was not gonna let So I got this working and like it says like, yeah, you're connected to Xbox Live. But yeah, that's that's where I got to. You don't want to use this as a playing connection. And I mean from the performance I was getting my laptop, I'm like, okay, yeah, this is this is high speed. You know what I actually did?
I think I did pull it off, but the situation became they had parental settings set on that Xbox, so I could not recover my profile. I wanted the achievements of the game bad through all that ship. I like, I'm to cover my profile on this machine and then I'll usb it out of here. Key stir it. No one will ever know. But it was not meant to be. You can put it in your butt. That's what I said. It's keys. I just want to make sure the function at
home't understand what keyster means. All right, that's a that's yeah, that's it. That's it. That's all. That's a podcast that was and that was thanksgiving that that I finished that fable book. Another whistle, bad whistle though, call yeah, I'll try. I think, what's what's what's the what's the bad whistle? Is it? Is it? Yeah? Like stars lower than that those? Yeah, that's your just it's a whistle. Sigh. Okay, yeah, there it is, got it. Uh it's a
bad whistle. Yeah, Now, I was trying to stick the assassins on that, uh that book. You know. Would you read some Assassin's Creed fiction, Yes, I bet there is no hesitation. Would you buy the limited edition of Sturgo Hoodie? No, an, there's a bunch of there's a bunch of comic books. It was there a limited edition Assassin's Creed Brotherhood in the States, Yes, okay, with a jack in the box like a doctor head in a jack in the boy, come with like a map
and all that nonsense. I don't know. I didn't it. I saw I was looking up some stuff and it might be just in Europe. There was one with like cards of all the dudes like you know, in the database and stuff. They came with all that stuff. Anyway. Yeah, what but that fable book? Uh? Oh man, that's I've read some video game based books fiction that one. I can't really recommend that. No offense to the author, you know, but the material does not lend itself,
you know, she may still take offense. I don't know. I mean Peter MULLINEU No, that's under his pen name I do not mean under his pen name Milo, do not mean no offense to Peter Monon. You mean much saying to the author, uh that that that fiction just is not what you want to write, like a serious book about there. I don't know. It's weird if Peter Mulneu hasn't taken maximum of Fence from this podcast
by now. Oh, I love Peter munt Think there's anything else? No, I hope not, because I think I love Fable two and I think Fable three is the sequel or the next game. You guys are the guys that spend all this time talking about liver spotted balls. That's how how many times do people talk about farts in the Fable book? Yeah? How many heads are? How much? You're asking? How much? How much farting gets done in the Fable book? You know, I don't think there's that
much. That book is bullshit. It does not stay true to the Fable fiction ads. I understand it. It's not cannon open with a wacky mishap involving a bird. Yeah, is there any shit? I Fable three there was no ship. There was there was still a bird. I can't remember now that's true. But Fable two, there was oh yeah, Fable two, there was shit I can't remember. I forgot about the open table three, totally forgot about the whole crazy Chicken opening. I'm a crazy chicken.
Yeah, I got a shit all something that's opening. I remember that intro when you're pretty excited and you're like about all the adventures to code. I wouldn't be offensive. Somebody talked about liver spotted balls. That's not offensive. For a man who will put farting on somebody's head in a game, it sounds like party, and I think I would not be surprised either way.
But I enjoy his work, so I would. I would be entirely understanding if Peter Mullien chose to take offense at the things that we have said about him and his games. I hope he doesn't take it personally, and I did hope. I hope that. I also hope his balls do not take it personally. It's as balls. I gotta watch out. Yeah, they're they're the vindictive one. I think they'll fall in one. You don't want to hit your wagon this death training, don't. Yeah, don't get affiliated
with this. There really isn't. There's not an old sun of news. They're gonna take Halo stat tracking and stuff off for for Halo Wars stat tracking, uh, December fifteenth, so it seems kind of soon squeeze in the last of your twelve. The studio that made it has been dust for a year. But man, games, like what the lesson two years old?
I wonder what the CNC four state of things is like right now? Then Music Factory State of Things is one of the seasons Freedom Williams and Freedom Williams wasn't even in the it was never really in the group, like the second Wilson Cole like Freedom Mums is just there on a couple of songs. Yeah really Yeah, I was his associated Freedom Movements with Museum. Well the second album for scenc Factory, he's not He's not there. It's a dust pretty
years. Yeah, they're transitioning the forums over to Halo way point. So yeah, there was some outrage from people that still was were forming a community around Halo Wars, which I say, again, don't hit your wagon to this death train. But yeah, I don't know, like almost like a multiplayer contin like people are just play a multiplayer people. Yeah, they're still like yeah, Halo Wars all you and it's motherfucker that I die weird.
I refused to believe that there is a significant number of people that are left to be outraged at the idea of of that being shut down. But sure enough there are some people that are, but enough are pretty unhappy about it, enough to start a petition that's it. Doesn't take that, man, I think I think people have started plenty petitions about me about it now. Yeah, yeah, you you're a jerk. Yeah, it's not making all those petitions. I signed both of them, signed like seventeen accounts. Double
Finn has announced their next downloadable game. It will be called Stacking, and it involves Russian bricking BMX bikes. It involves stacking a grip. You totally stacked your huffey into that dirt mound. Yeah, hell is stacked. I'm not familiar with this colloquialism. Don't lie to me. I'm not familiar with this coloquialism outside of you saying the words stacked that way, fucking stacked. I enjoy started my own petition to have more of that in there. More
stacking. Oh yeah, Russian nising tells. The trailer for it it's got a crate, you know, double fine. It's got a crazy art style. I'm not sure what the game is about, but it's got a crazy art style. It's all You're trying to do a fat and table top over the sawhorse that you stole from the construction site. You you can't get it up, and your pedal fucking hooks the fucking sawhorse. Actual thoughts relevant one conversation. It's got like a vintage look to it. I like it very
much. Did this sound little warm colors Assassin's creedy? Like? Didn't? I read that you can only interact, well, so you can like you can either. I thought it was more you can either stack inside other characters are over them. I forget if you absorb them or they absorb you. But you can only do it if they're facing the other way yet, so it's almost like a backstab. Oh okay, So then I'm also hoping that this was gonna be a cup stacking like a speed stacking simulator. No speed
stackers are contense, dude. This is gonna be the year that I buy cups from the toys r us go go on YouTube speed stacking, go into official speed stacker set go on YouTube and google yourself some some speed stacking videos.
Stacking nuts. Oh my god, it's the craziest speed stacking. It's like they're taking like red fucking solo cups, but they're especially designed for this act, and it's it's them taking them from a single stap and then making a pyramid out of them stuck quickly in less like second, like like literally the hands just blur and then there's like this this pyramid and they bring it all down and they put it all back up, and it's like they have
these whole routines where they're moving the cups around really fucking fast, literally that fast, and no, no, go watch it, go watch it is. It is fucking out of cut. Their full competition New Years probably for a while. Yeah, they're like national championships. How do you beat? You go faster? How you fucking faster? Speed stack? Do you think they like high speed film judge these things, like well, it's like down to middle seconds. That's the only way you could beat somebody's time. Like
there's no way that they every finishes a photo finish speed stacking. How many cups are an official speed stacking set? It depends on I think it depends on the competitions, on your weight class. This is true. I thought it was traditionally a three two one pyramid. I could could be a four three two one. Imagine they are multiple Okay, yeah, all right, I'll give you that. All right, So you want to open with a
nine stacks, well, yeah, pyramid exactly. So I was kind of hoping when they said our game is called stacking that it was it was gonna be a RPG about speed stacks dot com. Oh boy, I love how they're just throwing caution into the wind over double fun. No that I don't think they've taken all the limitters off of their madness. Oh, I don't know. I feel like they're the game stacking. I love it. I think this sounds amazing, But like, who who with like any kind of
marketing influence on them? When the name of games stacking like what sounds think it should be some kind of puzzle game. Yeah, but I think it's the best sounds like some Yeah, exactly, it should be called like cup trists. Yeah, I think I think the cups. I think they need a better name. I think they need someone. I think their ideas are genius. I think Causal Quest was a delightful game, great art style, good sense of humor, and I and I'm loving what I'm seeing of this.
But Costume Quest was a terrible name for that game. I think Stacking isn't equally probably did okay, though, you know, it's like downloadable games. The people that are typically buying downloadable games are a little more wired in than the average consumer, so they're a little more likely to know that Double Fine made it and care about that fact. Sure, sure, so I think that that's that's I mean, the Double Fine name is is the thing
that's selling there for sure? Yeah? They you can still have better names. Stacking is a great better names. I think it's ballsy. I think it's risky. Yeah, it's a ridiculous name. Three six or ten cups? Okay, ten cups? Ten cup, I'm looking at a ten cup right here. Nineteen eighty five? Is he is official date? It's it's is that when it started? Or was that like the Standing Day nineteen eighty five? I was hoping there was like something appeared on the Tonight Show with
Johnny Carson. Wow. Wow, So I was hoping there was some kind of like like like standing record from the eighties or something. These were weird. Nobody has ever beaten the that's before where they were doing drug testing. So Stephen Puragana is the two thousand and eight, two thousand and two thousand and ten world champion. See, you can't beat that overall champion. You don't beat last three years. Last three years, he's been holding it the
fuck down. I need to watch the videos of this. He's gonna win forever because no one cares about speed stacking anymore. Three three three three six three cycle? What's the cycle? Take it up? Taking individual doubles, team relay? Oh my god, stacking mats. But yeah, I was doing Christmas shopping last Christmas at the Toys r US and they were selling official speed stacking kits. Really, there's fucking cups. Wow. New rules as of April twenty ten, oh patch came out. You are no, I'm
sure you are now allowed to double down stack for any stack. However, the first two stacks must be down stacked with two hands. Do you know what that means? No one handed down stacking. Obviously, I'm going to use my mind and assume that means when you go down with the stack, building up sacks collapse. It's clear collapsing your stack. Yeah, because that's part of its building up. That's the impressed with Wow like that, that's
a bad one. That stacking trailer remind me of Peb winter Bottom. Sure you see what you mean with that vintage. I'm gonna make my speed stacking game a reality and call it Stacking two. I think there's already. I feel like I feel like there's been a wee wear speed stacking game, something with speed stacking in it. Really, Yeah, I feel like this has
been covered in video games. I'm not necessarily you know, I'm not saying there isn't room, Jeff for your your bold new Facebook based speed stacking game. I'm called Stacker two, but it's gonna burn off fat well. I love the first Stacker stack or two. It is gonna be even better. Uh, Spiner Cell six, they're gonna make another Spoker cell and there's gonna be some free it was flash yeah, and there's gonna be some assassins.
It's gonna be DEALC for games. Games that you like, there's gonna have some deal See games you probably don't like, they're gonna have delC two. Can I pay for them with my sometimes you'll pay for sometimes will deal say they're doing for Yeah, first aass crazy free. First it's free. It's a new mode and I think a map or two y a map new mode stab. Some dudes, guess what there's gonna be future DEALC you're gonna have
to pay for what? Just letting you know. I know a guy inside the organization, and he told me that some of the deals, yes, some of that downloadable content or DEALC as we like to call it, will be for free. Some of it you'll have to pay an additional charge for. You can't have it both ways. There there's I heard spinter Cell Sex was gonna have you play support, and here we have Assassin's Creed with DEALC.
Two ways, two ways took me just enough enough time. Yeah, I bought my I wanted to play a game with my brother, my my dad, uh for Thanksgiving from here and there in New York obviously, then Monday night come I was a game. I chose. Its probably a pretty good game, right. You have to have two brothers with one father and
uh yeah, sometimes weird stuff works, that weird family stuff. Yeah, I had to uh my dad when he I had given him a gold card count, you know, like a thing for you know, it's like the holiday gift. No, no, like, So when I came to to buy of the game, so I was like, oh, she had some points? What you had to buy this? What? I'll just come on, I gotta put my credit card in on this thing. It's already got
something on that I don't know. And at the time he was huffing and puffing himing, and I bought a card on Amazon was reading him off the number by the thing, and it worked out perfect. It could not have been easier unless he had just bought points. Uh, you mean at my other brothers. It's all in that group chat. Other brothers are big, just fucking fucking it all out. Basically, as I'm trying to read him off the letters on this SEW three, We're just like, do you have
to add points to get that next ladder? What are you doing? Anyway? That's that's my downloadable DLC story. That was the game. I comment. I think they got bored after a long Well, yeah, I don't know. If you guys playing an online against teams, are you just doing like the blitz mode kind of stuff. Yeah, they don't do a great job. I guess if you just kind of jump in there explaining exactly what
you have to do. Uh. And for people who aren't very familiar with that style of play, they're all, you gotta build turrets and you save your money and upgrade. Complicated anyway, all right, guys, let's talk about some new releases out this week. Epic Mickey Disney Epic Mickey for the Nintendo Week. Yes, quick, look of that, available on the same
holiday your loved ones. The Epic Mickey again, going back to terrible names for things Epic Mickey Disney, Disney Epic Mickey Disneypic Disney's Epic Mickey Disney. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I especially don't want Walt Disney's Epic Mickey. Oh yeah, it's it's anti semitic, so you definitely all want that one. It's horrible, It's horrible and nailed, nailed, which is which is what I know. There's a TV bananas and a TV and bananas and a weird FOV. It's super fastn't. I didn't feel the FOV as
hard as you did, but I kind of see what you mean. What's yea? As they pull it out and the game of the game of Facelift. They pulled it all top. Yeah. It kind of feels like how it should feel. It like you know when burnout, when you turn the fov, when you hit boost. Yeah, but instead it has it all the time. It's just like, what why I would I'm a bug. Eleen nailed nailed an ai l apostrophe. Quick, look up on the side of that. Nailed d by the time you're this Xbox labricade this week Unbound
Saga man, Yeah, it was a game Voster Foster still exists. Foster. Sorry, Folkster, you're right, you're right not to be confused with Frogster. Yeah, or Frogster will to be confused with frogs. Those guys are just bootleg. There's a new speaking of which one Foster like they're they're doing a whole of things. They're doing like a crime Craft expansion. Yeah, there's the working Craft. We got an email from a guy at at
Voguster. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, hey, I know you guys still working on have said things about our games in the past, Yes, we have. It was actually it was kind of a plea for some coverage. There you go, there's there's a new crime Craft AFT thing. Available. I felt a little bad are happening soon. So if it's similar to original Crimecraft, I have to say. Legally, I'm obligated to say, I do not recommend that you get involved with They have since then, they've
made Crimecraft free to play and all this other stuff. Was the last time you logged into crime when we did that quick look probably that's uh yeah, well then I logged in again when they call it dapb pow boom. If you want to start a petition, here's the address. There's a global agenda that were the dick suckers right they were? Yeah, yeah, there's the
ones. There's the bad people PlayStation Network did right? Or yes, Dead Nation get rising with a different game, Dead Nation game that Brad was talking about earlier. We got a quick look probably from last week. Right, Mmm, I'm not in jury duty. I will review that game tomorrow. A couple of crazy ps one Japanese imports on the PlayStation network Block Kids and
days Amon plus those both sound great. Choose one of eight cartoon characters and bounce blasting Batterer way past an array of formidable fortress like block barriers in not to his revolutionary three D twist on an arcade classic that's block kids block, kids block, hids block hids, b l O c k I d S block kids block, kids blow, kids blow kids got it? And days da z A E m O N days Amonmon. I feel like I need to get smart da z a E m O N. I get some more
of that to finish a shop quest and assessments. Creed Brother like one more crazy Japanies games. I don't know, Hey, I don't know, man Uh. We don't know what's coming out on Game Room this week, but we know it could be. It could be Amadar, could be Twin B. Fucking poo Yan peak is in there. People are actually fucking super goddamn pumped up about poo Yan. I've heard a lot of people getting rowdy about you know, what's fucking sick fucking game, Fucking poo Yan. Motherfucker.
It's not bad, you know, it's also a sick fucking game, Fucking Amadar. What about food fight? What about fucking food fight? It's a fight, is gangsters? Fuck? It's in there. Fucking chefs are falling in holes, watermelons are fucking infinite fucking food fight unless they hate their chefs. I hate those chefs. Those chefs are fucking cocksuckers. Unless they fuck it up and have eight way control the arcade game, whether I believe it was a forty nine ways. Oh okay, so it has is more than
just the eight way movement expect to expect from games. So you will need to use the analog stick to do that. And if they fuck that up, they're gonna suck that If they fucked out up, I'm gonna suck that up. If they fucked that up, they've already fucked that up. The worst done like a month ago. Hopefully that was the lastly they didn't suck that up. Was the latest time they could have fucked that up, and they have most assuredly already Hopefully they did not suck that up. Also,
am I missing an Action aka Russian Attack two? Yeah, I'm not really familiar with with that game at all. I don't know. They just might not have come out of here. TWINB is good. Just take two TWINB games in there, right, and it's also off the wall, Walker and Warlords. Yeah, I think I think Walker is another one of those games that didn't actually come out. Yeah, yeah, Datana twin be. Yeah. Yeah, food Fight, man. A lot of people are talking a
lot of like like positive things about Sunset Riders, don't. I don't have like the nostalgic thing for Sunset Riders. I didn't encounter it until none of their kids that hung out. I've ever had a Sunset Riders machine. So it's good. It's good. I mean, I played it, and I think it's cool. But it's But you want to talk about fucking food Fight. The peas fucking suck food Fight. Like the shotgun of that thing.
They don't go anywhere. There's no distance on them. Food Fight came out well before any of the people listening to this podcast came out Food Fight. I know I have a food Fight T shirt. I saw you buy it out. You were there when I bought it. Boy, that food Fight t shirt. We played food Fight and then you went and bought a food Fight shirt. And also I bought a Warlord's shirt. It's our twenties ex hundred version of Warlords. Pretty good it is. It is not paddles.
Yeah, it's a paddle game. That's where it's all going to fall apart though in this translation exactly, So yeah, we don't have paddles, so that'll be funky. Did you make a thing? Could you make a USB adapter to play someone? Actually? Three someone issued some kind of weird controller four the three sixty that has a paddle, a paddle thing on it. I don't know, so I don't know what the compatibility is with it. Warlord Money games. I still have one of those USB two PS one controller
adapters. Yeah that when when the dual shock was still the best thing that you could do for a food fight. Food food fight. It's watermelons last forever. I think that's all I have for these digital releases except for Nintendo products. Jeffy want do you want to handle that? Yeah? Yeah, do you have them? I sent them to you. All right, Your phone's on the table. Phone is on the table. That's code. My phone is on the table. Everyone can checking my email. How do I
whistle? You know, last last week you taught me drifting and that worked out pretty well. Your tongue pretty amount, dude. Like I know, I understand the mechanics of it. I just can't make it work like I can almost. I'm not even gonna make lick your lips. Lick your lips first. I don't want to embarrass myself, so you feel like I can, Like, I know, you have to kind of just move your lips around until you find out. You know, it's a good whistler, Rory,
he's a good whistler. He's got a strong whistle. He's got a good whistle. I've got limited range with mine. Whistle with your hands. Can you do that? I understand how that works, understand corners. Yeah, I wish my mom would do That's like that's like the ballpark whistle, right, yeah, Like that's when you want to be heard. Yeah, that's when you're going from volume. Wow. I've been trying for years not and it's always followed by somebody's name, that big loud whistle. Yeah,
that's it exactly. Do you want to hear something about some ds I wear? Jeff Gershman with the Nintendo downloads for this week, the week of November the twenty nine, twenty Jeff, I've been taking it away. Cave Story from what nasally this this email client on the iPhone is dogshit ready to eat ten plus one thousand intentity aside points. Cave Story takes you into a rare world. We're a curious race of innocent rabbit like creatures called again can't get
the texts duties to sol Mimiga run free. You wake up in a darks and I was scrolling back and forth. And that's even worse. This is horrible. Mimi, God print these out, prik these out. Let's just read this. We know what cave story is. It doesn't wrap like it doesn't wrap. Everybody knows what cave story is. Om cave story. And I'm here to say and this is a bummer. This is the one like
serious dsy ware reliefs that actually matters. You wake up in a dark cave with no memory of who you are, where you came from, or why you're in such a place. Uncovering Mimiga village, you discover that the ones care free. Maybe you got my saying that right. So don't are in danger at the hands of him, A Nigel scientist. You only hope rests squarely on the shoulders. I'm a quiet, amnesiac boy who can't remember his own name. Take control, learned the origins of this world's power, Stop
the delusional villain and save them. Wait this came out a really long time ago on we wear Really I'm sorry, continue, Yeah, we need a quick look. Yeah, you guys did a quick was probably within the last year Forensic. But I'm saying like, yeah, it's been a forensic by two tribes. We're going to war one player, ready to be for everyone two. Forensic is a unique puzzle game that dazzles the eye, teases the brain, and it keeps you coming back for more. Wait, it keeps
me? What? Coming back for more? Okay? What do you think I said? I was? I was, I wasn't sure. It takes only minutes to learn, but months to master as you devise new impressive play strategies to push your brain to its limit. A win months, compete against your personal best, and climb through seven levels of devotion from Newby all the way to Forensic. Master Forensics. They must have four puzzle enthusiasts of all ages. Care how old you are? Which ages? All of them?
It's a lot of ages. I'm not gonna lie. It's every age spotted challenge from Big John Games. It's Big John Stud's game company. He's pretty Yeah, he's driving a big rig. I like to make its downludable games. The ladies love it when I reel in with my Big John Games, King of the Road with Your Big John. In Spotted Challenge, players race the clock to find hidden objects in cleverly arranged scenes. The puzzles are based
on the popular Spotted book series published by Capstone Press. See how many Objects you can Spot in ten different puzzles. Vibrants make spotting objects fun and challenging. Players use the stylists to tap on the hidden objects and also to navigate the extra large play areas. Spot hundreds of hidden objects in ten themed puzzles, including outdoor sports, board games, and Fun with Food. Fun with Food players can compete against their friends using the pass around play feature. Up
to four players can race to find ten objects hidden within a puzzle. Each player has to spot the objects and then pass it on to the next player. See you can get the best score. Find objects fast to score the most points. Three levels are difficult to easy, medium, and in soon provide lots of replay value. That is the lengthiest description for a photo hunt photo hunt Big John's photo Hunt. You won't have to look long to find my Big John's photo Hunt. I tried wearing that shirt to school, and
they may be turning inside airport. Maybe we're undo we wewear anywhere, We're under wewear. Report Mania first flight from Lemon Games is like before it got really manic. We're just we're getting into the psychosis is a prequel to It
takes like twenty years before. Airport Mania is the first flight, so you see him get out of cadet school and all that stuff, and it's Lemon Party, Lemon Games, Lemon Games one to four players, radity for every one five hundred WEE points at your bags for a troop to the skies. In Airport Mania, travel through eight a music airports while you lay a variety
of planes, purchase upgrades, and avoid delays. Stand your toes as some planes carry precious cargo and we'll need to land in a hurry, while others might need a trip to the repair shop. But with good planning you're sure to make it to the game in time when you need to Challenges, whimsical characters and a fund that'll put the smile on your face. Airport Mania is one flight you can't miss. Can't and I not miss any of my flights.
You can't miss it. You miss out the fight. Whatever, it's a the later flight, this one you can't on miss h B Arcade disc golf. What is the HB stand for Hullabalu? Are you suggesting that HB and at hullabaloo is two words stands for handball, handball, arcade, disc goll How about Hanna Barbera Hanna Barbera Arcade. It's from HB Studios Multi Media, so stands for Hank Bazaria Wonder four Players. He's Hank Bizaria Wonder four Players, rated E for everyone one thousand we points. I don't know if
it features this voice talents. If it didn't, it's his company. He doesn't mean he wants to read. H B Arcade Disc golf recreates the popular disc flinging sport in the comfort of your own living room. Playing the game is as easy as tossing a disc around on a beautiful day. What did I just tusk? I bet it's actually cheaper. The goal of the game is to put the disc in the basket and the fuse throws possible. Disc golfers have three different types of discs at their disposal went out on the course,
a driver, a mid range disc, and a putter. Also, there are three different types of throws available, forehand, backhand, and the hammer throw. The forehand and backhand throws change based on the handedness of the players, and it can be used to draw or fade a shot. While the hammer throw it's less about distance and more about height. At the end of the round scores nortality to the player with the lowest score is the winner, like regular golf, like non hb arcade disc due for this is what
Hank wanted. Cave Story demo version. We don't have to read this from this iss. This already came out, just available as a demo has zero points. Does it say if that's the we wear version? I guess it would be because it's the sexual Yeah, this is the way where there's say anything about I think it is an updated graphics version of Yeah, they kind of remade it for the week. It's got to be that for I believe
it is that or something similar to that. I'm gonna it. So the full version of Cave Story is available for the week for twelve hundred points. But now this demo, it's the exact same text from the DS on. We're not going to read that virtual console. Are you ready? I'm ready? Magic Drop two it's Magical Drop two for the Neo Geo, originally in D four enterprise one to two players, rated T for mod suggestive themes and nine hundred week points. Magical Drop two is a puzzle action game, at
least by Data East in nineteen ninety six. The rules are simple. Control of the clown, control the back of the balloons that appear on the screen. I'm gonna stop you right there asking me to control the clown that's trying. You have to control. If you don't control the clown, the clown is going to control you. The clown does what it was away speaking to Ryan. You are talking to the Ryan in there. Talk to Ryan. There is no Dana. If you line up through your arm balloons in the
same color in a row vertically, they will burst. Some balloons feature you feature unique characteristics. Special balloons. They're full of nitrous ribbed. What's the suggestive material in here? Why is it? Clown? It's anime, ladies. I think special balloons which come in all four colors. Oh pop, every balloon of the same color. Arrow balloons burst everything in the direction of the arrows facing Brainbow balloons have the same effect of special balloons, but can
be thrown against a balloon of any color. And then there are bubble balloons, which simply get in your way. Oh, I get it together. These provide you with great chains and combos that make up puzzle games so much fun. Choose between versus CPU mode, full of battles and a host of comical characters, and Puzzle Mode, where you'll enjoy a one player challenge. Both modes support player versus player action, meaning you can have a great time
together with friends. Suggest that I feel I feel now. I feel really bad for the people who have to write these all of a sudden, because Magical Drop is an okay neo geo game. Yeah, but but that description descriptions and I just got an email. The moon can Hatchling and Lil Ragnaros are now available for your World Warcraft pet store ten bucks apiece The Tiniest fire Lord, Little Ragnaros, The Tiniest fire Lord. Ragnaro's the Dreadmaster of all
fire elementals. We're returning Cataclysm to a vengees defeating the Molten Core, and what a better way to hit in the battle with a miniature version of the fire Lord himself following your ball. Little Ragnaro's just like his full scale namesake, burns with constant fury, not to mention flames, serves a handy cooking fire, and it comes to up with the legendary hammer soul for us. I'm afraid that if we don't stop this, he's gonna keep reading everything as
the fire. He has no need to walk from place to place. He just submerges into the back below the world service when he's not walking, remerers, when you stop now, we don't have time for emails. How about, oh man, how about how about a real time check of my jury service? All right, I'm about to find out. Find out as we speak you needed to be at oh save for another day. It looks like your numbers, John here, and let's see if there's one too. You
know what I do with those things? Ignore them? Really, you've never done it. That's why he's being called for your case. Well, shouldn't he be serving me papers or something? He's not to say, he's not serving you getting served the cloud. The cloud's gonna get served by speaking the right of the cloud. Here's your papers, your service. No, it's really right. All right, Let's let's squeeze in whatever emails that we can hear. Bomb cast at giant bomb dot com is the email address as well
as the email address email Mike Voight from Washington. Hey no, Mike, well you just said it wrong, and Mike m I k e voit. Hey bomb cast crew. Do you think that a successful film adaptation of The Dig can be made? If any care about the thoughts? Jeff Gershman thoughts asked me about the film film version of The Dig. What do you think
about the possibility of there being a film version of The Dig? I didn't actually think you would ask me. The Dick has kind of a crazy story that does a step Spielberg, That a man Steve Spielberg's LucasArts the Dig. I don't know play the Dick. Tell me about the Dick. It's a goofy sci fi. It's pretty goofy. Didn't play The Dig? Was the Dig super short? I played a kind of recently, not so many years ago. Wait, I'm thinking about Loom. I think Loom was like two
hours long. Yeah, this was more the Dig was was? I remember also highly chastised for being a lot of flash but not much gameplay. Yeah, yeah, that's that's kind of high. I remember as well. It was very India together with Loom, and they asked me about category. I don't think there was ever a pin that said asked me about the Dig,
though that's true, there was not. I feel like the Dig has been made, you know, there is there's some version of a movie that closely resembles what the Dig set out to close enough you're saying, yeah, all right. This next email comes in from Cavan in Bloomington, Indiana abond Casters.
I just noticed that there are now three Need for Speed Hot Pursuit games, the first being Need for Speed three Hot Pursuit, the second being Need for Speed Hot Pursuit too, and the third being Need for Speed Hot Pursuit. Why is this crazy world we live in so backward? That's pretty good. That's a pretty good observation. I'm actually excited that none of those games
have the exact same title, like that makes it okay whatever. And I was also recently reminded of the fact that the first Need for Speed game this goes back to the Hot Balloon Hot Air Balloon conversations. It is full of hot air balloons, but also it's called Needs for Speed, So so even even at its beginnings it had a weird basis and they shed that road and track license real quick, Like, those guys, what are they giving us nothing? Cars? We can make three DIO games without them, and they
were wrong. The countdown began with Need for Speed Hot Pursuit. It's basically him advent calendar for twenty twelve, Like we're just counting down when Need for Speed Hot Pursuit zero hits worldwide? All right? I called it, Bring a coupon. Next time you come for the Invisible Man, bring up fucking coupon. Nextino comes in for Ryan James bossa Hey bomb squad. I got a question for Jeff. I'm here, what is the better early nineties dance
hall classic, snows Informer or any commoses? Here comes the Hot Stepper. I think if you're judging it by it's dance hullness, Hot Stepper has to take that. You're absolutely right, Yeah, Now overall, overall, I prefer snows Informer. It's a better song. Unless you're making a movie trailer, then Hot Stepper there there's unless you're working on Ready to Wear. He's
also has a song called the Lyrical Gangster. Yeah, like the other part of his most well known songs like well, let's spin that out movie something that's probably the thing where I say I'm a lyrical gangster that one time repeatedly in my song Yeah Yes. Tyler from Austin's Call of Duty, Black Ops, Splitter Cell Conviction, and Alpha Protocol all used the same storytelling device where a character is interrogated in a dark room and then they flash back to a
mission. I was just wondering if this had a name, none that I could think of. But I feel like this is trimmed enough that we need to need to take it to the crowd more than just like a flashback. But it's this very specific situation, the interrogation flashback and then derogatory flashback. There needs to be a better name for it than that. But that is we can establish that that's what it is on a clinical level. Is that
interrogation flashback, interrogation flashback. It doesn't matter. We didn't apport Manteau though, because because every time we've done that it just leads to bad pages. Nas Khan is bad. Is bad. It's a bad name for a thing I don't remember. We need to come to terms with that out that that's not that's not That name is not catching on. What's wrong with it? It doesn't make me sense. I don't even I don't even remember what it is. I don't remember how nostalgic it's. Yeah, it was patterned after
retcon, but it doesn't know. It doesn't follow the same internal logic. That's the problem. And I think it described. You're right, I can't old. It's like, is it like remakes of old games retro driven by your nostalgia? Is that what it's supposed to be. It's faux retro, like somebody name a game in that three D game heroes like faux retro. Okay, it's not really old. It just looks old. Does a Scott Pilgrim downloadable game? Yes, I think that's what it means. I don't
remember. That's that's why I'm saying, wename that page. That's that's what I'm saying. Interrogation flashback. That's a good point. But even still, let's let's make I still think interrogation flashback is a valid that's a concept, So jump on it. So everyone race to make that, and then the mods will have to delete ten copies of it. Well, we got to do something for the mods. Yeah, you're right, Oh, okay, this is a good Emails comes in from Elvin kickerbe kick Abe kirk Abe.
You're right, this is a good email. Iven Kirk and b He's from Norway, so his name is fucking spelled real weird, all right, dear Bomb. I go to the Kirkybees all the time. They have half off apps after nine pm. Dear Bomb casts. In your last show, you ridiculed the idea of going trick or treating during Christmas time when you were talking about the forthcoming Christmas theme DLC for the game Costume Quest. However, however,
this is actually an old, albeit diet tradition here in Norway. Where are you as on Halloween put out a disguise and then knock on doors and ask for candy, often having sung a juel Tide themed song. If you want to no more, go Google or look up the word jul Buck on Wikipedia. So if they were too, if they were to tie it into Norse tradition, which honestly does not seem outside of the realm of reason, something that the guy has a double fun would do, then then it creates
some sort of hook for that stuff. Speed stack as speed Yeah, that's also a thing. Also last week and I got a bunch of response from this, but I will credit this Tim hibs Uh, we were talking about how Dice had got a credit on Need for Speed Hot Pursuit. Apparently they made the world. Probably they made the environments of Need for Speed Hot Pursuit. He made. Wow, what they made the world? Apparently like the courses, also, like at least like the environments, at least like what
the look of the world was like. They made that stuff. I don't know if they That means they were just like turn for turn, but our assets presumably some amount of design assets. But there we go. Do you think do you think that means that not all of Criterion was on this project? I have no idea. I don't know. I don't know what. I don't know what all the criterions working on Black two. Who knows what all of Criterion is this at this point? I don't. I don't know
how big that company is. I don't know how the teams they have internally fair enough, it's all all black Box. It's all Blur. No black Box is different Blur, completely different, Blur gut sold off something they are and something for sure. That's it for emails. Thanks everyone who wrote in bombast dot com just work on getting that name. Flashback, turning flashback. I'm gonna look at look at the punster. Would you mind bending over there.
I'm trying to come up with the name for that thing, aren't we interrogation flashback? Yeah, yeah, that's gonna do it for this week's addition, Back in the Saddle. I don't think two days off counts as being out of the saddle. I feel pretty out of the saddle. I got back in the saddle pretty easily. All the back pain and kind of wait, just fell right back. Yeah it is. That's sort of feels like being in the saddle. What do you want? What are you we're talking
about? That's gonna do it for this week's edition of The Giant Podcast. Be sure to back in next Tuesday for another edition of The Giant Podcast.