Giant Bombcast 09/23/2014 (Premium)

M M. It is Tuesday, September the twenty third, and I think that means it's fall now he's fall autumn, thank you? Okay fall? Whoa? But just why don't you count how many Americans are in his room? I just found out that you guys spelled pajamas differently. How do you do? Yeah, p y j yes, yeah, pajamas hi jamas hi jamas? Is that like t y r e? Yeah exactly? This is nonsense. Yeah, yeah, really, I know a tear weird. It's

I know. I just wish they gave me a book. When I got my VSA, it said, this is all the stuff you need to know because pajamas just blinds your use of the letter you is about to go down. Hey man, I've written stuff about call of duty. Okay, wait, that's gotta you look. Medal of honor, Medal of honor. Oh, the Irish have invaded the Giant bomb cast. He's up. I'm Brad Shoemaker. That's Daniel Dwyer. Thanks for having me up. That's sweet Daniel, Daniel. Oh, Daniel by this is great. First Don gives me

a forty of mickeys, so I feel like I'm in Ireland. And now you're talking like my mom the boy first forty, my first ever forty? Really? Wow? Did you drink off forty of them? He bought two of them? He was like, you could have two during a wrestling paper view. But that's fine, that's two and then a bunch of beer on top of that. Yeah, but you weren't going to visit a cemetery with somebody after the fight. I had to make sure I was sober. That's

the other Daniel Young Ricord. Oh, yeah, that's me. I Hello, Hey, you're scandaling rounding out the cast. Yeah, d three over here standing standing with arms folded authoritatively at the end of the table, kind of doing a flying V here as well. Yeah, which people listening to this audio only podcast. Yeah, so yeah, Jeff's Jeff's out this week so or today. So I brought you in Danny from Thanks, we'll see warming. Yeah, I'm from game Spot. One of those people who don't

know who I am. He game spitting games Yeah, game spot game spit. That's not we don't call it gamespit anymore. Here from all one day, Dan talk about F one for the next two hours. Hijacked this podcast. Now do I talk to you about wrestling. Wait you ye last night and let's forget about brod. We'll just diagram. We'll make this like you've got you've got your own podcast for that onst oh Man to see uh start us drive an F one car or have Kimmy Reagan in in the ring.

Dude, we were watching yesterday and Christian really basically looks like Sebastian Fattle. That's the guy who showed me the picture of Oh, I don't know who the all that guy was happening. Brad's god over here shaking my head. I said no, and you're just continuing or advertising our premium podcast. It's as right, Wait and the odds supposed to go at the top of the Yeah, there's enough ads already. Man Siles Life, Danny Life's okay,

that's great. D A great weekend. Actually, I wouldn't love traveling. Last month I was a game's calm and then pass its right, and then I did this half marathon things. So this is the first time I had like an actual weekend to myself to enjoy myself. Then did you enjoy it? I did? It was a new affex to an album came out? Did that come out? Yeah, wow, okay kind of it's now legally streamable. Okay, Ali should and you, yeah, I want to hear it. It's good. It's the first and thirteen years. Yeah. It

counter slide projects. That was cool. I read a graphic novel called Sex Criminals pretty crazy, and I played some video games. Really yes, wait a minute, we're only like, like, did we have some minutes into this podcast? I can't talk about video games? What else is on the Q sheet? Bro? Well I could. I could just go to my this chrome, know and look at the tabs that I've got open from before

the podcast. Boy, although I've you know, since I took this podcast over, I've never bothered to open a web browser on this studio machine before. I don't like where this is going, don't know, It's just it's a deep rabbit It's a rabbit hole with no bottom that we could tumble down. Right if I bring the Internet the Internet, we just speculate wildly. If the Internet becomes the invisible fifth chair on this podcast, We're done.

No, Yes, I had. I had a forty over the weekend because I feel like me and Donna are involved in this sort of long running culture exchange. Because I gave him the figs on upf How was that you? Yeah? Okay, well the fig roles they're like this, it's basically a fig Newton. Yeah, they're good. They're good. He never had figs before. I thought they were sticks. Yeah, remember what you thought figs were sticks? Yeah, and now I keep hearing about how they're just like

a bunch of dead washs or something. And now that's great sticks, you ate them. Yeah, but you people keep tweeting me like you're eating ruin? Yeah, what's the dead wasps? Nonsense? Well, I haven't really done the research, so I can't. The theory being that wasps die inside of because they're you know, they eat fruits. It was like a drastic park situation. Yeah, they die inside the fig and then the pig. The figs get picked and then ground up into fig Newton's. But like there

are tolerances for that kind of stuff in every field. Oh yeah, like you are allowed point o o o one percent of rat feces in Yeah, you can look it up, like the FDA has regulations catch up, you know, like here's how many like rat droppings and rations for arsenic levels? Yeah. Wow, Hey, we had like taco bell Yes, yeah, probably that was probably mostly it's like point five percent. And then the actual meat is just faces and arsholes. That's fine, delicious faces and assholes.

And no, I didn't just have talked about I had to talk about and KFC since we went to the not Kin Taco Hut, but just the taco Kin taco. I got a big bowl of macaroni and cheese with Myotkin taco, like the finally guy and mart of combats too. Ken Taro was buddy, Okay, you just got mac and cheese. Technically all got coleslaw, which was from the KFC. That's true, that's true, and of course not chose Bella Grumde. I've never gotten that. It's pretty great. I've

only got normal nachos cheese. Yeah. Yeah. How did you feel after that incredible meeting of culinary Uh? Pretty good? After forty Mickey's oh god, and really firing on all cylinders and as much America as you can how American pro wrestling fans do things. He was literally working stars and stripes pants wait from the rubble, the same pants. It's not just from the rumble.

Many for many occasions, twenty pairs of stars and stripe pants because you wear I have one pair now because the last pair got destroyed after years of being caught on fire. Getten bicycle belt for two gears. I think I was telling Drew about this. Yeah, I ran down the street in college with lit Roman candles in the pockets and they they burnt through. So I burnt my thighs and they destroyed my pants. Yeah who saw that comment? So yeah, excited by one when everskuy I wear the USA pants and any

forever life events, it's important really only of American heroes. Yes, yes, no, no, they're come in handy wow. Whenever I skydive is a sentence that not many people can say. Truth and Racord can. It's thrill seeker. Yeah, and everything is up food. I don't have a conclusive answer on the wasp isshue. I'm gonna go ahead and not eat them until I get a conclusive answer. I found I've been eating wasps. I'm during that upf you feel, Buy a fig and open it up, and

if there's no wasps inside, you could be fine. And a fig it's just like a normal fruit thing that looks like an apple. Do you look like an apple? It's kind of a it's a tear drop shape when it's like brown and leathery like a pair. More so, they're small like a prune. Yeah, they're kind of the size. I don't think've eaten a prune and like a big raisin. Be carefully, we'll be tell you if you ever tried to, if you never decide to sample a prune, doesn't

that make you all crappy? You should? Yes, tread lightly. I would say, like two prunes and you're good. Oh it's a diuretic or something. Is it's a diretic tea or laxative? Makes it crap? Yes? Yeah, if you if you were to say, like sit down with a bag of prunes and just snack. Oh yeah, because prune juice is like that could just water. That could go poorly. Okay, you might regret. That sounds like a challenge. I wouldn't know. Oh my god,

sounds like it sounds like premium content prune challenge. I do it, sucking, let's do it. Oh my, I wonder how big? How big a bag of prunes can you get? A costco? I totally do that's fine. Oh my god, I don't like what I'm not even the one offering myself up for sacrifice. I don't like where this is going. I love four prunes. If you eat half a jar mayonnaise just a plane No, absolutely not. Wait, your problem is that it would be plain.

I think I think he's allowed to eat it on whatever he wants as long finishes read upon amount of mayonnaise. No, I'm not doing that. I used to dare my friends, like, buy a five pound bag of hot Tamala's and eat it all in like thirty minutes. My friend did it once and then just puked up. Just this absolutely, Mike, Oh, I never even told my triple mac and cheese story from college. I don't know that it's happening. It's happening. I thought I thought that. Okay,

So Kraft macarunn and cheese is objectively one of the best foods. Are we talking about Kraft Dinner? He is the most like that. You're talking about the Blue Box, right, Yeah, that the classic Blue Box, which is the standard things. It's it's the greatest thing in the world. And I would always experiment with it and put just like way too much butter in there, and it was super good, but there was always a finite amount of that cheese until after I did this. The powder you can buy,

yeah, the powder you can buy separately now. But I thought, like, well, man, when I put a ton of butter in, it's great. What if I just put a ton of cheese in? And so before I went to the bar one night in college, I bought three boxes and I took all the powder from all three and put them all in one thing of noodles. Wow, And I ate it and it was super cheesy and super good. And I got to the bar and I had like one schooner and just puked up like Nickelodeon orange, like fucking disgusting. Like

I tried to get to the bathroom. I think I mostly got in the bathroom, but it was like Neon orange bullshit all over the bar floor. Tell you about the substances you're putting in your body. I just I flew too close to the sun. You know you're not the chorus of mac and cheese. I guess that's one way to look at it. A wax stomach. Hey, Danny, you are free and clear to talk about video games now. Oh my god, let's move on. God. I was already

feeling ill before this podcast. I figured out how I can enjoy playing Destiny because I don't. I'm a sociopath, Brad, I don't like that's not true. I don't like playing with other people that much. I never got Borderlands so much because I don't like having to like when I okay, when I played World of Warcraft, I basically soloed. I did really slow.

I enjoyed the exploration and enjoyed the sort of lonely progression. I love games like Fallout and Skim because I just enjoy being on my own in those worlds and experiencing Destiny. Great game, you know, okay, you know, not a great game. It's it's pretty, it's all right. I think it's I think it's good. Whatever, it's you know, it's prelimited, but whatever. I can see why people would like it. Who playing groups.

I don't necessarily do that. But I figured out a way of actually enjoying it, and it's I did by accident because I was listening to if x an album and I went, I'm gonna play some multiplayer because that's brainless nonsense. And I went into the Crucible for a while and leveled up, and I was like, oh, now I can like do all those missions in the single player like slightly, I'm slightly like over levels for them and it's really fun. So this was before well before you hit the level cap.

Oh, I'm like level nine or something. Yeah, that's how quickly I got bored of Destinate. You played that game for like a whole day though that was on someone else's on the internet. Was Yeah, that was annoying. I had to restart when I started. That's a shame. So it is. It is kind of an interesting system that they've got where you can you're gaining the same experience in both modes, you know. Yeah, whether whether you like Crucible is basically just straight up you know, traditional Bungee

multiplayer or you're doing the PV missions that it's quite a novel. It's like it's like a weird experience the first time you actually because you know, there's a little fan fair when you level up, you know, it's kind of a flash of light and level up on the screen or whatever, and like that happening in a multiplayer match is like kind of jarring, yeah, because you don't think about gaining RPG levels in a deathmatch scenario and it happens ready

to be quickly considering you're basically just doing more player which, like you know, you're guaranteed a certain amount of points in every game if you're playing to a reasonable level. It'll always get captures, you will always get kills every now and again, or at least assists. And they're pretty forgiving about that stuff as Yeah, and loot drops at the end or really hopefully Oh yeah, sorry, sorry, Yeah, I think a number of teammates will get

loot at the end of each match. Yeah, is it? Is it more than just the guy who gets first? Oh, it has nothing to do well, ostensibly, it has nothing to do with performance. Really, you're talking about the dropping. Yeah, no, it's totally I really I've gotten I've gotten a lot better. It's crucible, like I was finishing last for the first couple of days I was playing it, and now I'm coming in toward the top and then totally the same ana gootally anyway, totally the

same loot trop rates. I'm enjoying it a lot more as well, just because I think the genuine shooting in the whatever campaign or whatever Destiny proper is I find quite trice. Not really, it's not that clever. It's like the alb and stuff. It's it's weird because the AI gets a lot more active on the higher difficulties. Like I'm I'm pretty deep into the end game.

I'm almost level twenty five now. Uh. And when you start doing the heroic like strikes some stuff, Yeah, you're doing level twenty four type missions. Like the guys move around a lot more. They take cover a lot more often. Like some of the late game enemies have stuff like jet packs and they'll go flying all over the place, like they're guys with shields. Not not energy shields, but like literal shields. Yes, I like that stuff. And that was in Vain No, that was on Yeah,

yeah that sounds quite cool. But yeah, but you know, the stuff starts getting a lot more, a lot more interesting. It just takes so long to get interesting. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. There's a grind, and I know absolute inevitably be a grind in that game. That the game is a bad grinding it is. It absolutely is. Like I it's not defensible, like the game as as the endgame currently sits, like, there's no way you can defend it. You can just like it or not.

Yeah, you know what I mean it's like, I I gotta like it. What's that don't eat? Yep? Exactly? Do you like this country? Hey, look, I'm sorry, I didn't know Pajamas was about that way. Grand Christ America grinded, relieve it something like that. Yeah, I've I've gotten really into the Destiny end games since the last podcast for whatever reason, Like I had never ground. Can you say that ground ground

for loot? Yeah? In Diablo it's a past tensive grind. So yeah, Like I was never the type of person to run, you know, the same dungeon over and over and over looking for loot, but for some reason in this game, I just keep coming back to play. You've run the same dungeon. No, that's not the same thing, not even really the same thing. That's every game of Doda is completely different. Do you like the Ablo right? I do. So there's a certain part of you

that enjoys repetition and progression. Yeah, progressing in Scalan Doda and you're progressing in acquisition sure, right, sure, But I mean Destiny is a situation where by the time you get to the end of the game, by the time you had the level cap, you've seen all the content. Yeah, basically like I had a couple of strikes I hadn't done when I finished the story. But like, if you decide, if you commit yourself to engaging the end game in Destiny, you were going to play a bunch of content

you've already played over and over and over, and that's it. Like that's

all there is you can play. You can keep playing Crucible, or you can keep playing the you know, the missions that are in there, and they get harder and more interesting to play, but it's all if you've seen I feel like the sort of grandiose talk that was about this game sort of it was not particularly good for it in some way, or maybe I was wrong in how I perceived it, but on the scale of like is this a you know, very linear shooter with a sort of tight enough campaign too,

this is getting towards an MMO level of like do you remember that feeling in Warcraft? Whereas no matter when you were playing Wow, you always felt like there was nine hundred times more stuff happened. Oh that was like that was amazing, Like the poll of World Warcraft was it just felt like there was limitless possibility, like you could receive felt endless. Yeah, like you couldn't. Yeah, you totally did not know where it would end, whereas

Destiny is like you were running through the same area as everything. That's fine, that's the game that they made, but it wasn't the sort of experience

that I was expecting. Perhaps, I mean, there are even a lot of little things they could have done within the framework of what they made that would have made it better, and like different game modes or something, or you know, even even having you spawned in you know, there's only four major maps, and even having you spawned into each map in more than one place. You know, it was supposed to starting in the exact in place

every time you go down to a planet. But I don't know. At a certain point, I just was having so much fun shooting stuff in it and grouping up with people and playing the harder and harder missions and like, yeah, technically read about the sign it plays really well. And then once you once you fully decide to learn how the endgame works, like you can kind of see a logical progression to it, even though some of the drop

rates and like the way the loot works is kind of bullshit. But you know, if you start grinding Faction rep if you look at like, okay, I can earn, you know, a hundred of the Crucible currency a week, one hundred of the Vanguard currency, you know, from the multiplayer and the single player, Like you can see where you could come out the other end with all the loot that you want and then move on to that raid, which sounds like that raid sounds like what Destiny should be, top

to bottom. Yeah, Like I understand, I certainly understand siloing off some of the best content for like the really hardcore endgame people. But the design philosophy is I haven't seen it, you know. I've been kind of avoiding

specifics about it because I want to figure it out myself. But a lot of the design philosophies you hear about in there, where they're like real environmental puzzle and like multi stage boss fights where you really have to coordinate with people, and they're like interesting dynamics to the way the game plays, like some of that stuff. Yes, really, Yeah, there's like four bosses. It's like a traditional MMO raid where they're like different wings to it with a

boss at the end of each part. And again I don't know a whole lot of the specifics, but there are different Yeah, it's it's a whole new map. It's all new bosses. But it's even a lot of like again like environmental stuff, you know, like oh, you have to activate three separate points on this map and hold them for x amount of time to get this door to open, and stuff like that, like just stuff that's not in the campaign at all. Yeah, it's like I really want to

play it. I mean, can you save in the middle of it? Or is it okay you can't. Yeah, they're doing the MMO thing of the fire team leader that goes in, like you just have him be the fire team leader again or her? Do you need to you with that same fire team Yeah, well I think it's just the leader. I'm not positive, but they stressed like make sure the fire team leaders there because these raids

are like, wow, they're like MMO raids. They take Yeah, I mean the first the first group to crack it, it took ten hours. Wow, that's kind but that's you know, it's all world first, like yeah, you know, nobody's done this before. It's and I think they

died like fourteen hundred times or something like that. In the final analysis, it was like when MC became was this massive thing and then suddenly people were doing it like in another time once went right, It's yeah, it's totally I mean, in fact, like I had heard this before, but I became acquainted with the term farm status as we were running a heroic strike the other day, where it basically means an encounter is solved, right, Yeah, like it's farmable. You know, it's like, oh, we know

how to do this, We're just gonna go in and do it. You know, this is not super challenging now because we know what the particulars are, which at a certain point just makes it start feeling like a job, you know, yeah, because it's like, oh, I'm gonna go raid tonight to try to get loot. But that also feels great because it's it's the thing that used to be like instrumentable. It's and then suddenly you're really good at it. It's not to jump off immediately. But I was playing

Phoenix Rage, which is that meat Boy. Well, I'm not sorry, I don't want say it's not meat Boy game. It's it's it is the easiest comparison something meat Boy, where the level that you think is completely impossible, suddenly you were burning through and that's a really powerful like feeling in games totally, Like I think you know as as you were right, it does kind of make it when that stuff you reach that point, then it's all to bay get into the next one and doing it again, right, But

that's great. And then you know they combine that in Destiny with the carrot

on a stick of better loot at the end. But I don't know some of the some of the requirements for that stuff are so rigorous that like I really want to play the game and get that stuff, but now other games are coming out that we need a review and cover and stuff, and all of a sudden, like I had all these ambitions for what I was going to do in Destiny because they've got the weekly a lot amount of currency you can earn and stuff, Like I was like, man, I love this

game. Of course I'm going to earn the maximum on both sides this week. And like we're I think like eight hours away from the reset right at the time this recording, and I'm not even like halfway there. Isn't that big DSc happening around Christmas time? Yeah, the first expansions coming out in December. You're going to be playing nash on your Christmas break. That's what's gonna happen. Man, you're saying I'm not gonna get to play it until then? No you Yeah, maybe, man, maybe they'll chop off.

Like the people I know they're on they're playing non stop every day, Like I can't. I can't keep up with that anymore. Yeah, you don't need to either. I feel myself falling behind. Mind though, I know there are people that I was playing with they are now like three levels above me. So I don't know just well, I mean, do you know how the endgame works? Any of you guys know? It's some crazy thing where you have to do math associated with your gear or something that's kinda not

exactly. I mean, there's no maths, there's a real math ata. Has anybody hit the level cap? No, man, I'm talking the wrong group of people. What's the highest is twenty five? Twenty is the cap? Well? Yeah, but then you can do all the crazy stuff yellow numbers, and so I believe the actual hardcap with gear is thirty. Okay, I think the highest anybody's gotten is like twenty eight that I've seen.

There might be thirties out there now but yeah, it's you know, it all comes down to that stat called light that they introduce on end game gear. But you know, at that point you are literally just hoping for good drops, you know, so you are not leveling out. Well, no, you're not listen to your XP turn into some other kind of current year that turns into modes of light which you can spend on, like mostly trivial stuff that doesn't really matter. Cool, it's all trivial stuff that doesn't say

that what is life does matter. Whole life is a lie. Now you're you're earning the marks that I was talking about by playing multiplayer and the strike stuff, you know, like you can you can spend those on on gear that is guaranteed to level you up. But we're talking like, god, I don't know twenty hours, I am never gonna get that stage. I'm okay with that. I'm just estimating. I don't know. I've played a bunch and I have like a decent amount of that stuff, but not enough

to buy what I really need. I wonder what assigning rewards to the multiplayer does for people in terms of the way that they think about it and approach it, because like if I if if that had been there for Halo three, I don't know if I would have played a lot more of it or a lot less of it. I bet it stops people from thinking that multiplayer is a waste, yes, like absolute, from thinking I could be leveling off. Yep, it's that's like that? Or does it put a cap

on it? It's like, you are you need to play so much of this it's it's worthless to even start well. From a broad perspective, it's nice that you can do either one. You know. It's like, oh, I'm tired of running strikes, so I'm gonna go play some crucible right and always feel like you're making some meaningful progress. But the way they have divided those two things, you earn different currency from the two sides, and

they can't be combined. They can't even be spent at the same vendor, So in a way, you're still kind of working against yourself when you switch from one to the other. Like if you truly want to minimax your gear, you'll focus on one or the other and justus do that, right, Like they want you to be invested in your character in that world, like this is a game, this is a ten year contract doctor, they can't have a bungee, Like they want people to be invested in that ecosystem as

much as possible. It's like it's like all that Halo stuff they're doing with the crazy Halo app and like they are so into just you are a Destiny player. Hey, when Call of Duty comes out in a couple of months, you know you're gonna want to level opped up that and they're probably gonna shoot at a bunch more extrallentle bits on there. Like I bet the first weekend the college comes there, they'll be like double XP land on Destiny or

some sort of them. That's all. That's all activision kind of working against itself though, But oh yeah, that's good pointing. You know, I don't know a Call of Duty's gonna sell to the people it sells too, and that'll be fine. I mean, Destiny almost appeals to kind of a different crowd, right, And I think first person people people I know who are really into Destiny or not, people I traditionally think of as a big Call of Duty. How many teenagers? You know? I know tons of

people that love Halo and Call of Duty. You know, I don't think they're exclusive but I don't think they're selling Destiny too. I think they're like, maybe I'm super being reductive about this, but I think they're selling this to kids, like not to two younger players really because this is their IP. It's like they grew up watching their older brothers and sisters nain games like

Halo Called of Duty, and this is their IP, their first. They're like online connected worlds, like all these post Minecraft kids who are like turning thirteen, fourteen, fifteen. It's going to be around for ten years. Nobody says they're gonna make three games on a ten year deal unless they're targeting young people who are going to have money by the time it's over. People gonna buy into it and stick with it. Yeah, like maybe they're not

going to target, you know, people in their late twenties. And third, if they think it's going to be like a ten year thing, everyone's gonna get married and have kids and get all boring. Destiny is not a game to play if you have responsibilities. Also true? Yeah, Like that's absolutely true. Either is dotat, Either is video. Yes, there you go. That's why I played a bunch of indie stuff this weekend. Yeah, I felt a little bit better about Yeah, like what Never Ending Nightmares

is that? That was a kickstarter right, Yes, And I should say upfront I actually did drap money in on that one, all right, full disclosure disclosure was that the don't tell me I think I got this? Was that the Retrograde guy. Yes, Yes, Matt Gillenbach. So he made that game Retrograde, which was a sort of a like bullet Hell you could use a guitar. Yeah, traditional scrolling shooter totally bombed. Yeah, he walked on it for about four years maybe longer. Five did not was not

commercially successful. And he's an interesting dude who kind of like I've like I have done videos about mental health and stuff like I have a history of the depression and OCD and whatnot. He's clearly had his own stuff as well, and after that game tanked, he had a kind of a pretty bad dark period in his life. So he's come out with this game. It's out on Friday, I think, really the final version, Yes, dusted. I'm not actually sure how much may I talk about it, so I'll just

keep it pretty vague. But it's basically like a really well drawn have you seen any art first? It's like sketch art, but it's fantastic. I think it's kind of monicomatic black and white, yeah, and then there's there's like elements of like red coming through, and the interactive stuff is in color. It is one of those games where you just need to put your headphones on, turn off the lights, and just run with it, like a sort of a if you're like picking up a movie you're not really sure about.

And I don't really think it will necessarily be to everyone's taste, but the people that resonates with it will resonate pretty hard. Like it's the imagery and the like. The sound design is great, the music is great. It's all about repetition. It's never ending nightmares. You literally like are going through sort of similar areas. It's like repeating and getting worse and worse. And it's one of those games where I feel like at moments I was like

I stuck. It keeps repeating itself, but then you're getting more and more tense and more and more freaked out by the experience. It's very effective. It sounds kind of like PT as far as like the repetition and just doing things over and over and very unsettling or whatever. Is it that same thing to where you're going through the exact same environment over and over and certain elements

are changing. It's the yes, exactly. I'm getting worse. I'm getting individuals because they're sort of, you know, it's cartoon sketch kind of stuff, very minimalist, very well drawn, but when they do something that's really kind of quite ghastly, it's really quite ghastly. Like there's there are I don't want to say, I feel like there's a game people who's just play and not not not even watch a trailer, just kind of check it out. What is it though? Is it an adventure game? I mean,

how are you so it's a two D Get reductive here? Okay, it is a side scrolling it's an adventure game. I guess you're controlling this one individual who's waking up in his bed and is walking outside the door, and you're basically moving from whole way to room inside of this house, presumably his house, looking for his sister, who he's worried is dying. He's got asthma, so you can't really run that long. There's a there's a hardly

any buttons in the game. There's one to interact and then one to basically run. When you run and he starts like wheeze and stop. And there are certain times in the game where you have to like avoid elements within the world which are trying to hurt you or whatever, monsters or stuff like that, or the darkness, which is another thing. If you go into the

darkness, it will kill you. Wouldn't say you get like you pick up a lamp a light and you can walk around with that, and the light stuff where you pick up an axe and you can use it to break down the door. But those interactive points are quite few and far between. It's mostly about the sort of empty space between them and how you react like to that. So it's it's it's a linear I think there's something like I don't know how many of the nightmares there are, but they I have been.

I've gone through like processes where I'm inside of this house for quite a while and then something awful happens to suddenly I wake up in a different environment, and then I'm in there for a while. And it's a hard game to sort of It's it's unsettling, and I'm only about halfway through at the moment, but I've I've enjoyed it because it's just like these types of games don't come around very often where they're not necessarily just trying to entertain you constantly and

you know, fancy explosions or even just like placate you. Like this is a game that has been very much made in his image for to express how he feels about something, so you can sort of like whether or not you

actually like it or not, it's kind of secondary. I feel like it's it's you're really what you're really like exploring it to to get something back out of it, kind of like stuff like Journey, where you know you're going to set aside a couple of hours play this thing and then go all right, yeah, I mean from that, it's kind of an element of the otur about it, right, yes, Like like you know, it's the output of one person kind of like all of their sensibilities and and and feelings

and hang ups and whatever kind of man in this thing. Like that's you know, not something you see that much games because they're they generally require so many different people with different ideas to bring about. And I appreciate love it, especially because I'm definitely an advocate for people talking about mental health issues or talking about their own experiences, or at least like opening up to it.

And I I am very happy that And this is the reason why I because I tend not to throw money behind kickstarters because as a you know, working in the games press, it seems like a little bit of a conflict. But for this one, because it's so dear to my heart with that sort of stuff I was, and because he had had such a failure before and this game was barely funded like it got I think within the last twenty four hours. I remember the day, I remember the push for it, yeah

before it did it. And the hope is that perhaps this will help people come to terms or start a communication with themselves about that sort of stuff. And as a game, yeah, I found experienced one so far. Anyway, I have to check that out. Yeah, I paid the kickstarter just well, don't I'm not. I'm not getting any money from it. I'm not getting any money from it. Good, you're playing the game video games. So it's out the backers. Now, I assume I don't know.

I got a copy because we're gonna maybe do something on it. Okay, we'll see maybe someone else will. I'm not reviewing it, all right, I pay Phoenix Rage as well. Yeah, yeah that's great. Yeah, I've had my eye on that. I've played in the packs. Uh, it's absolutely you know, the meat Boy comparison to spot On. You know,

it's not a clone, but there are some more elements. You're your sprite is tiny, tiny little dude running around these big kind of labyrinthine Yeah, two D platforming levels, a lot more mechanics in terms of being able to like you can double jump and like a dash and stuff. Right, you guys paid this at all? It's not it's is it the meat Boy developers? No? No, no, no, no, okay. And I bet I bet the developers are sick of people saying meat Boy there easiest

Touchstone. It's maybe my guy from Brazil. I think I think that's the case. Yeah, and PC. I'm playing on Steam on PC. I think I think it's only out on PC. At first, it's a two D control, a little kind of thing that almost looks like a square. It's way faster though, and you if there's a start point than an end point, and if you get to it and it's difficult and it starts out at the start, being like, you know you will die and it responds

you instantly. It's I'm sold already. Yeah, that sounds great. Time. You can tell he's been making this game for a while because it feels like that. And I played End Plus Plus as Packs Ease, Our Packs Prime. I just love these games so much. Real difficult to d Like one little level and then you're on to the next one. You're like, god damn it and you put it down and then you're like one more.

I mean, there's there's there's nothing like that super hard game that controls exactly like you wanted to, right, you know what, you know what I mean, like when you never feel like you're fighting the controls and then everything is your fault exactly every time you die, you're just mad at yourself, right, And it's not easy to do. And that's why Super Me Boy it was probably so successful because yeah, you never felt like it was the

game letting you down. And this one's called Phoenix Rage. Phoenix Rage. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna get that. Yeah, I think at the ni Yeah, okay, it kind of looks like a little Sonic dude. Yeah okay, yeah, yeah, I need to check that out. But yeah, I'm also not sure if that's out yet or if I should be talking about it. Sorry, really did when you came in here? Yeah, hey, let me talk you about that new rock Star game. You're gonna whoa just like just jack booted thugs coming here, Noir club us and

drag us out of here? Oh? Is that it? Pretty much? What am I gonna have to do to convince you to play Destiny with me? You're not Are you ever even gonna make it? In the level cap I played with the Nest. With the Nest, I played with Alexis a little bit okay, Yeah, I've been playing with him so yeah, he's got like three characters based on different friends he has that are at different levels kind of smart. Yeah, I guess he plays a lot. I don't know. I yeah, I don't know. I mean, if you're not

down for that lud grind, like you're not, I'm really not. You're not gonna get anything out of the end game. Even in Wow. When I got to like level forty five, every rolled Yeah, that's That's the weird thing is that I did the same thing. I played a character like up to not even sixty, like right year sixty when it first came out and then started another character Like, I had no interest in grinding gear and attunement and going to raid and stuff. But I mean, this game is

basically the same thing. But for some reason, I'm totally into that stuff. I don't know that just that raid sounds so cool. I really want to see it. We will see look it up on YouTube. Is the internet. But I need whatever probably scree shot and jomp on it. I need whatever Looke comes out at the end. Drew, Yes, Hello, Hello, what's up? Oh you know do huge? Yeah? The Huge? Yeah? Such as game wise, I think it's just been you know destiny. Yeah, how far in are you? I'm like ten? Really?

Ten? Yeah? Sure, like the bungee guy. I thought you would attack that vigorously. I have been, Yeah, I just haven't had a lot of free video game time. That's what happens when you do other things with your life besides video games. Yeah. I eat Greek food. It's pretty much all. I did this again. I went to a Greek festival morning at night. Just non stoff, you never never ceased putting food in your mouth. Only the only real big point of interest what Greek food.

Did you eat? It was at a It was a It was a fundraiser for a Greek church. I don't know. They just it's free. They they do this every year. They invite you and you go into their like church, their basketball into their basketball court in their church. Wow, they have food around the outside. Do you just pay like seven bucks per item? Load up? Is it just hummus? They have uzzo? Oh so good? Why was there a basketball court in this church? We you

never met a church? Yeah? Are we doing America? Yeah? Okay? On Michael, Jordan's so popular, it's actually the second Coming of Christ. Whoa Hachimio? Ali? Juan was Judas? I don't even know who that is. I think you're you're officially more American Ryan. I only know who's which. Jordan was not in Oh, Jordan's not in jams like any of them, any of the jams. Jordan. No, he had his own Players Association license or whatever. Really he would always sell his own game.

So that means like business wise, that means if you got the NBA player license like that included everybody but him. I think so, because yeah, the Bulls had like Grant Pippin. I'm sure Jordan was in one of them. I mean maybe later on, but I mean, if we're talking Classic NBA JAM and then Tournament Edition, I'm almost certain he's not. I thought it was. In fact, Shack was only in like one of him. I think like Tournament Edition. He might have had his own deal too

for one of them. Maybe we got him in Europe, had the International Michael Jordan Rice. He had Chaos in the Windy City and Supernintendo throwing flaming basketballs at bats and a hunted house. That sounds all right, he gets like ice balls and yeah, you just don't get those anymore. That's really terrible like that. I never read Michael Jackson the movie What was it that gis game? Yeah, gets Moonwalker nothing, but imagine if like Mighty Cyrus

put out a game which she was knocking in buildings the thing. Yeah you're yere, Paris Hilton's Jeweled Jam. I saw. I saw a headline yesterday the Kim Kardashian game makes seven hundred thousand dollars per day, per day, hugely successful. Seven hundred thousand dollars per day. Yeah, fucking scoops. Huh. Yeah, that's where all the celebrity the pop star games are showing up now and that makes sense. Yeah, and I know what we know

what Don's I'm playing on weekend? Yeah yeah, Spice World on PlayStation one. Just reminding me of all that absurdity. Now, dance Beat, I wish that stuff was still around. Man, what was the worst one? There was never any like boy band like n Syncer Backstreet Boys existed, but there was, but there was a rhythm game. There were some board games maybe like board games and stuff. But do you know about Mavis Beacon is not a real person. Yeah she's not. No, No, that persons

not existing. Are you just now finding that out? Yeah, she's a character. I was more of a typing of the dead guy anyway. Typing the Dead's awesome. I love I bought the Dreamcast keyboard for that. It's so good. Yeah. I even liked that new one kind of yeah, same thing, it was, okay. Speaking of weird old nineties PlayStation one games, Dan and I recorded a behemoth of our feature demo Derby. Yes that many many Xbox were PlayStation one games. It was a PlayStation underground thing.

So it was a two disc which like that you haven't seen the feature. Dan and I take old demo discs from like the magazine days and just pop them in and go, what's this. Ye jam packs like toys, r us and pizza head disks and stuff like that, and people have sent us a ton of them. Oh yeah, we have a giant stack and this one was a treasure. Like I remember most of those we used to got just we're just trailers and stuff. A lot of them are. In

fact, there are a lot of videos. There was a lot of It was like it would be like four videos, like eight to ten demos, and then there was a whole disc on this one of like documentary features, which was the most fascinating parts. Yeah, they're very nineties. Keep seeing that frame grab of Shoohito sheet of floating around. Yeah, discovered what game was that that he was? He was like, he's talking about ap Escape Connected producer at that point, I think, I think you're talking about ap

Escape. Okay. I saw in the background, I couldn't tell what it was. They're interviewing people and they're describing things that they think are cool as diesel and that games Dieselow's pretty sweet. All the sas were spelled disease like news and reviews and every single like menu screen just look like a vomit of a trapper keeper head vomited on and there was a whole thing with like forty products, like here's a crash Bandicoot turtleneck. Yeah, it was awesome late

now he just really were a tragic time for a culture. Yeah, I'm loving that feature. Yeah, that was the best one. I'll check that out. Yeah yeah, but I really like seeing that, you know, just in case you didn't think shoe was legit. Yeah, the man totally climbed through the ranks. Do you remember we were talking about stunts on UPF that like a car game. So somebody tweeted me apparently done. Matric was like, wow, guy, okay really yeah yeah, so he made his

way through the run. He found it. Yeah, he founded a I cannot remember the name of it. He founded like a small studio, you know what, I'm small. And that's how he got in the Developer when he was like nineteen or something. He's like cliff Zins geeks. Yeah, and then they got bought by EA, like pretty quickly. I think that's how he got into EA and kind of went from there. So crazy,

everybody's gonna start somewhere. Where is he now, zinga? Oh yeah, running zinga all this fine zinga products that you hear about flipping his hair over his zinga. All right, he's up, Hi, you're ready to keep talking a bit video games and other stuff like the ones that Dan Reichords has been playing. Oh yeah, I've been playing an awful lot of Super Smash Brothers for three DS. Right, but I can't talk about right we are squarely getting into that period of the time, or of the period of the

year. Now, yep, so that has taken up most of my time. You can talk about the content that was in the unfinished we posted. That's true, we had that. Yeah, yeah, but I mean you know that's on the site. We've got We've got that unfinished, and then that same week we also played a bunch on on Professional Friday. Yeah. Yeah, So there's there's a good bit of footage of the three guess version of Ye Smash on the website. It is. But so you're playing the

full version now, Yes, I've got the review build. Yeah. Games, games are just about to start hitting fast and furious. I'm I'm I'm fairly deep into the shadow of mortor Oh really, I just kind of talk about that and talk about that either close. It's one of those where, you know, the the bargo falls at such a time that it's like if we'd had a couple more days, it might have been able to you know. Does that come out next week? Uh? Yeah, up, yes

it does. I can't talk about fates forever. You're right, I'm not gonna allow you moving on Forts out on is soonish horizon too. I think it's your I think it might be the same. It's next week, as I think it. I think Forts and the Shadow of Mortar are the same day. Uh and then yeah, words in it after that, that's the last day of September. I believe the silly season. Yeah, and then like god Drive Club and Alien Isolation and I said, Overdrive and Duty have

fun with that, you guys Call of Duty? Oh yeah, nice Later and trying to think October was super heavy. Well, in fact, like October the seventh had like five games or something, but they've all moved. Uh yeah, that's November. Unity and Rogue coming out of the Road come out the same day, delayed being if it happened in the last like five days, then okay, hopefully based on my comments on the legitimacy of that

Irish character. Wait, Patrick Karmick, what I played the trailer for Assassin Screed Rogue to my family when I was home in Ireland, okay, and they laughed three seconds in okay? With his accent? Is there is there a prominent Irish he does not send? He's also wasn't born in Ireland. From what I talked to developers, he's estranged father was here. So I don't even know talking about the voice, actor or the character the character.

Okay, So I don't even know how it's got an Irish accent when people in Ireland are trying to do an accent of an American person. This happens all the time, it does. Yeah, can you humor me? No? No, come on, just pick a state. There are something we already gave you, our our finest irish. I didn't I do like a really bad like New Yike one before, like a cartoonish like I can do mine. It's like whatever John Oliver would try to do like an American voice

like I did. It's southern. I did the House of CODs one, Yeah, but I can't you did that was a pretty good one. House of CODs. What was it was like the time I got done. But but I mean even even his accent in the show was such put on, you know, yeah, like I'm from that region and like, come on, man, nobody talks like that. It's like Carnetti in the Wire right with little Finger doing it. Yeah, oh yeah, I can't. Well, that's why I'm going to Kansas with you for Thanksgiving so I can figure

out. You have people in Middle America speak finally, learn a lot about Middle America and East and live and love and die. But if Don is any stable, then I guess we're just gonna have taco about in forties. And I mean we're gonna be drinking. We're gonna be drinking with my dad. So I mean we are certainly going to be going to talk about like three in the morning, like pretty much every night. That is, every single time, three in the morning. Oh oh yeah, this is the

one right next to the rebel. Still there's still time to a board. No it is not. No, No flights are booked. Cost flights almost cost as much as my flights home for Christmas, Mike's record family Thanksgiving. I can't wait. Okay, all right, we wish you the best. Maybe we got some plans I will you know, I'll pray for you. Got save your soul. Thank you? Uh Dan. If you played in the games, you can talk about. I'm still working through Rogue Legacy,

Okay. I think I'm at the point now to where I'm about to beat it. I've eaten three of the bosses and even going down through that like hell area or whatever. Now I'm kind of tromping through everything. But like I'm wearing all the like you know, gold farming stuff right now. So I'm sure once I switched over to the ruins that were for combat and stuff, I can probably just like Vampire and stuff like that. I don't have Vampire on. I just have all the like Sage Cape and the Sage Sword

and all the gold stuff. So like my dude is literally gold and I'm getting like twenty five twenty six gold for every coin, which lord ten Yeah what's the Sage stuff too. It just it adds ten percent gold bonus from the piece you have on. Okay, So like if I have a Splunker or whatever and all this Sage stuff on that, I'm just making like crazy money. Yeah, and it's I almost just don't want it to end.

I'm just having so much fun with it. It's a great mindless thing for like, if I'm just watching something on my laptop or something, and the cross stuff on Vita is fantastic. So I'm doing that still, going through mettal gear, keeping up with word Drew's at yep, so doing that on my Vita. Other than that, just drinking a bunch of beer. I drank a bunch of beer with Daniel Dwire Andrew this week. Yeah. Yeah, it's karaoke when I fun. You are always welcome to come drink with

that, all right, you come on out likes for humoring. No, I mean that I'm get drunk. Uh, I am looking at it about two and a half weeks of bachelorhood. Okay, right now, you can find things to do if you like. You can. You can fill that with this in the other other half is out of the country for a while. You can fill that with radio Gaga. Did you do Radio Gaga? We did Blinded by the Light, right, we did? That was fun. Yeah. I picked a really high key and then had to stick with

it, even though my voice went off at the first first. It was great, and so I don't know, and I guess in England whenever went like karaoke in London. It's like the sort of Japanese style where you get a booth and you like a bunch of people chip in and you you sing with your friends. Two. I'd never done the open mic thing before, just in front of a bunch of people. Where'd you guys go? What's it called encore karaoke lounge? Wait till Kansas? When we go to the

Red Balloon. It's a bar used to be called Dirty Herveis. It is where my mom and it's where my mom and my dad met. Like my DNA is just in those shitty you know, pool table karaoke stage. Like I literally wouldn't exist, Like anything that you've just said in the last of his DNA is still on the pool, Like every sentence is worse than the last. No, I literally wouldn't exist without Dirty Herveys and Shawnee Kansas. I just can't stop hearing that right out of Switzer. It's my favorite bar

in the world. We also went to a bar before that. It was showing movies. Oh Cozy car Yeah, on the wall on the TVs. It was just showing movies and then like every once in a while, tod be like like two seconds of hardcore pornography, and then we'll go back to the movie. And so they air like old seventies movies and like old seventies commercials and stuff, and so you'll be watched like that's the things you take

people that don't know what the gimmick of this place is. And so you're just watching like all these old like silly commercials and things like that, and then it's like dap, there's a money shot for two seconds and then up back to This thing isn't like vintage seventies porn. It's like modern internet cozy Cark with a k K o z y huh. It's right around the corner from Soda Popenskis and Oncork Carrier. This is becoming one of my favorite corners

in San Francisco. Like I feel like I might have ended up there one night when I was in a state where I wouldn't really remember being that this sounds really familiar. It's called a record district. It never leaves hastily renamed once I'd become mayor. Yeah, it was great, God, yeah, oh god, I think I'd be a good that's dan Rycord. That like that sound. That really is your ultimate destiny is I think? So I can already picture the campaign things. I'm gonna run on the shut up everything's

fine ticket them. I don't that's get a lot of shut up everything's fine. I'll know that you'll get a lot of traction with that. Just do it on the Jose can sego as a small penis ticket that that that might get you some mile. Yeah, okay, that's good too. Would you would you want to be the mayor of a big city or would you go to like small town Midwest? I My lust for power knows no bounds. Okay, President, so you're going all the way to the White House?

I probably could. Yeah, Yeah, I think I could. I take it. Just if I wanted to get something done, I usually get it done. So all right, I just right now, I just kind of want to play games and just drink beer. So I'm doing pretty good, right vote. Yeah, you just seem to be accomplishing a lot on that front. Yeah, so you know, but that was a great weekend. That was fun. It was that plays had the perfect mix of people who

take this way too seriously I'm like, are they just like performing? Yeah, that's like going somewhere and singing and being part and just drunk lads singing like rap songs with lyrics they really should not be singing. Yeah, it was like you could never tell. It was like a real mixed bag of people getting up on the stage. That. Those are my favorite kind of bars, just like just every kind of person like you'll you'll see the red

balloon it is. Yeah, I've seen people get slammed through tables. I've seen knife fights. My dad is always excited when he goes out back to smoke because every once in a while he'll see some frogs fucking back there. He'll run into the barn. There's some frogs fucking back there. And then people go out there and to smoke and watch frogs. Fuck. I guess what you do in Kansas. I kind of tell you excited. I'm for

Thanksgiving. I think I need another break. Oh boy, wow, you'll hear a lot of stories about that place when you're there, Dan anything, there's a lot of unrepeatable ones. I might just watch. I just wear google glass and twitch. Oh yeah, that'll go over great. Do you think anybody out there knows what it is though, no, like they have Google Fiber there and no one knows. Yeah, I hate it because I want that so bad. And I talked to so many people back in Kansas

and I'm like, you should get this. Like, I know my internet works fine, which somehow my dad's actually signing up for it now, which I can't believe. So what is your dad gonna do with gigabit fiber? Well, I can I can answer that question. Oh boy, I don't think you need to stories. I can't say you're right. I'm just gonna stop that, right, you absolutely cannot. Oh boy, all right, Well if that was your weekend, yeah, yeah, you know, for

me, it's pretty much just been grinding in Destiny. I'm deciding, Like even now, I'm sitting here thinking it's like, all right, I have I'll have like three or four hours after I get home before I go to bed. A multiplayer match is like ten to fifteen minutes. I get three marks, I need like sixty to hit the cap for the week. How much time is it gonna take? Has this taken out of your like Doda? Dude, I've barely played Doda since Destiny came out. Wow? Yeah,

I finally did play a sum this weekend. I'm starting to get back to it a little bit. But no, I haven't touched Diablo either since Destined. I mean they kind of scratched the same itch. That's the whole thing. You know. It's like they both you know, for better or worse, Like one of them gives you loot kind of fires the dopamine response

way more often than the other one. But I mean, maybe this is some weird Stockholm syndrome, But I kind of like that about Destiny, that you don't get cool stuff constantly because every time there's a drop, it's like a big deal, yah know, even if it turns out. I mean, they've got the whole thing where you have to decode items. You know, you get the encoded items, you have to take back to town, get your ends right. Yeah, and half the time those turn into some

bullshit that you don't need. And take him to decord Cane yep. Yeah, you sit a while and listen to him tell you that, hey, this is for a class that you're not. Uh yeah, a lot of people are upset about that. The purple drops that you decode, Like I actually have the stats here. I don't know. If anybody's interested, they can be yes. Okay, So some some group on Reddit actually did I

think this is just an anecdotal survey. You know, they haven't been data mining or anything, but they kind of did their own their own research, so like they let's see, Oh gosh, I copied and paste of this and now I'm trying to parse this is some real information. Sorry, I'm trying here. Uh okay, So, like for green ingrams, when you take them to that guy to decode them, U seventy percent of the items you'll get out of those green ones are green. Uh, this is based

on their stats. Seven percent we're blues out of the greens. And then they got no purples or yellows, which I think is not even possible. The blue ones gave twenty percent green items, seventy five percent blue items, and four percent purple. But the purple ones only give you a third or they they only give you a purple item the third of the time. Wow. So, like that's what a lot of people are upset about, is that the there's even this. There's even a legendary ingram account on Twitter that

just mocks people. Thought it was pretty good. Yeah, because you know, like it's two out of basically two out of three items you get out of the legendary ingrams are going to be green or blue. So it's like you see one of those things dropping them a mission and you get super excited, and then you went back to town and it's like, ah, yeah, it's very frustrating. It's like the opposite effect of like random new drops are, like if you get you know, an unknown in some games and

it could end up being something incredible. It's like the absolutely it's it does feel a little bit abusive. I still remember when I killed that dinosaur and strangled the thorny that raptor and it dropped apart. Dude. I also got a purple and strangled forward. I think it was from a pirate though, somebody on a beach, and it was even like the type I was playing a paladine, and it was even one And it was even a one handed mace, which is exactly the type of weapons I was using. Wow,

at the time, I think my next I was so freaking excited. Mine was a one that was crossing the road. Yeah, I just hit it's just to hit it. Yeah, And I dropped that. I love that.

I love that brief like second and a half or two seconds of like dawning awareness where like the thing that's happened in front of you hasn't fully registered, like the magnitude of what just happened to the odds that you just beat, I haven't really sunk in yet, and then all of a sudden the flash of like, oh my fucking god, like you know, and then you start jumping out of your shair, and then you realize you're in your room alone. Yes, yeah, and then you have your life back to

tanaras. Yeah. Yeah, So I'll probably play way more of that than is healthy, but not before we talk about some news. Yeah. News, Uh, the Tokyo Game Show happened. I did, uh do you guys had a bunch of people over there. Yeah, I see, he went over. I saw Mary Peter trans Yes, seeing a bunch of like drunken drunken jr. Line photos from them. They seem to have fun. Yeah, Peter got back today, Mary's sletted office. Jack. It seemed

like there was a lot more news at TGS well then previous year. I'm going to say the opposite, really, I mean, maybe you know more than I've seen. I don't know. I know they had the indies on the regular show floor this year, which apparently was was decent. Should be. I guess I only pulled like three stories and they're not even the biggest stories really, So hit me if you know anything else based on game spots coverage that I missed, please please feel free to chime to make some mombargoes.

Oh yes, but the biggest one by far to me is the Square n X was out there talking about Final Fantasy fifteen. Tessa, you no Mourra is no longer the director of Final Fantasy fifteen. I didn't know that. You didn't know. You didn't see that, dude, I thought that was a huge thing, Like he is he was getting drunk with DNA important. I mean, have you guys kept up with the development of that game? Like, does anybody know what the nobody? Just a bunch of blake

fucking stars. I thought you were video game professionals. I'm not a big Final Fantasy fan, but that trainer made me think I want to play that. I still need to watch that watch it. But I saw a lot of people saying that it's basically like a character action game at this point, like, yeah, and it's it's like a modern day and setting. Yeah, it sounds like it bears next to no resemblance to any previous Final game. He used to be another game. Okay, so this game. To

put it in perspective, this game was announced eight years ago. Eight years ago. This is approaching Duke Nukem Forever levels of development. Hell, the JRPG of Duke Knukem Forever. Basically it was announced so when the first announced Final Fantasy thirteen, which in itself was announced before Final Fantasy twelve game.

Yeah, they announced it as the big kind of cross media like multi tiered strategy of There was f thirteen, there was f It was Final Fantasy Age To thirteen, which is gonna be a mobile game, and then Final Fantasy Verses thirteen, which is gonna be this game. It was being directed by Nomura, who became kind of like the rising star of Square Enix after Final Fantasy seven came out. He created the Kingdom Hearts series kind of like, you know, he's the director of those games as well, So it's at

a certain point. He was the director of Final Fantasy Versus thirteen and the you know now announced Kingdom Hearts three. Uh so ff thirteen verses has drug on for years and years and then when did they rebrand it? It was last E three, right, Yeah, it was allowed the past three and it was two years again, it was the it was the E three before

the concerts came out. Yeah. They made a big splash at the Sony Conference again, Yeah, by rebranding Final Fantasy Versus thirteen as Final Fantasy fifteen, which looked like, I feel like the numbers on the sequels getting completely absurd. It's an online game that's mimo didn't come out yea twice yeah, kick, Yes, they put it out like three years ago and it was terrible and they shut it down and completely remade it. They need this one to be good, and it came out and was good, and I think

I think the current the new fourteen is doing pretty well. Actually it's it's gotten a really good response for people. Right. But anyway, yeah, like so, you know, this game's dragged on and on and on, and he's also supposed to be running Kingdom Hearts and they finally came out and said, hey, he's not the director of this anymore because we need to

put this out. Oh god, before it sinks the company. The new director is uh Hajimea Tabata, who is the current director of Final Fantasy Type zero, which I think is what ag to thirteen termed into Wow, what a tangled fucking web Final Fantasy thirteen has woven? Yeah, that, you know they pay some lip service to, like, oh, this allows Memoria to focus his full attention on King of Hearts three. Uh, there's a demo of Final Fantasy fifteen coming out with Type zero, which is coming out

in March. Oh wow, I guess look forward to that. That's kind of it, you know, But I mean it's it's kind of like the end of an era, right, thirteen two come out? Yes? Three? Yeah? What? Yeah? Yes? That was Lightning returns. Oh boy, yeah yeah yeah, I haven't I don't know. I liked thirteen. I used to kind of came up to an extent, like I used to be cognizant of when Final Fantasies were coming out and stuff. But I think you're right, it's just so convalid. Just my eyes just glaze over

you. Okay, fine, Final Fantasy things. I mean to me, like the idea of a numbered fifteenth sequel in the series is completely absurd. It's kind of great though, because no one else is doing this, Like that's throwing convention to the to the wall. And the other cool thing about it is like, I know that this one does look like if you watch the trailer, it is very character action. He does look different. But like for people who really like enjoy those games, they have been evolving quite

a lot. Like you know, they change up the settings a lot, They change up the like era and like trying stuff like the mechanic wise, they change up the bottle system, sometimes for the batter, some of the times for the words. Sure, so there is something to like. It's cool. I like that. I don't play those games very much, but it's kind of cool to exist because they're they're just different at least. Yeah, I guess I could kind of agree with you. Do you know I

want to play a cocter Action five. I mean, I'll give it a shot, But like, I don't know what even is that series anymore? What's your favorite one? Probably six of the modern ex between four and see? Oh, like what is that like? Post start with seven? Nine? Up? Nine? Yeah? And what kind of arbitrary cut off is that? It's like, let's start with the last of three PlayStation three. I mean all those seven, eight, and nine are basically the same game

tech wise. Yeah, I mean, let's start with seven. That was the first one with HAVV on a disc, right, Yeah, I don't even know ten. Probably ten tends great, But then I went back and played the Hi remake of ten, and it's kind of hard to come back to, right, So I don't know if that's just rose colored glasses, I it's I mean, overall, it's easily the two on the supernos that

came out here. Uh, but you know, I think a lot of people would argue with the Final Fantasy is a series that's kind of lost its way at this point, so eager to see what that thing is if nothing else, Never know, Two meters Boot was pretty good. I think I think there's some footage of the demo from TGS out there, Oh, so you can look around for or maybe that was just in that trailer. I'm not sure, but you know, I guess we can all try it out

next March. Before March, PlayStation TV will be out in North America. Anybody gasp? Sure? Yes, thrilled we capture Vita footage? Yes? Great? I mean this is the Vita TV. This is the thing that you know. Jeff has had a Japanese version of this for a while, but because of the way that PSN and accounts are regional locked, it was not super useful to us. I think is the problem. Okay, So I think there's something like seven hundred games that are compatible with this thing.

Wow, although I don't think that's There aren't even seven hundred games on the Vitas so I think a lot of those are like PS three games. I forget what the breakdown is PSP. Yes, they talked about games are going to be I think there's a big list out there of compatibility stuff. The biggest problem with this thing. I mean, if anybody hasn't seen this, it basically looks like an Apple TV. It's just a tiny little device. It's since under the TV hockey puck kind of yeah, slightly different shape.

But but you can you can play Vida games on it on the TV. But you can't use the Vita as a controller. What what. I think you have to use a dual Shock three at the moment, maybe also a dual Shock four. I can't remember if you can use both, but you cannot use the Vita as a control mechanism for the games for Vita games, yes, meaning that anything that relies heavily on the Vita is kind of unique stuff. You know, the touch screen, the rear touch, like it

doesn't work on this thing. It seems like a lack of four sights kinda you know. I mean, there's probably not a great solution for it, but yeah, you're right, like it would be nice if I mean, you know, I'm a little I'm thinking a little self servingly here because this is this would be our avenue to start doing Vita quick looks finally, but there will still be inevitably the games that we can't run on it. But that thing's coming out here and on October fourteenth for one hundred bucks, so

the same price. Yeah, it's I think it was one hundred in Japan as well, So I mean it's kind of a weird hybrid product. I don't know how much demand there's going to be for it. But you know, is there any word of Europe at all? Not that I saw, No, just North America. So I assume it's gonna be like crossed by to where like if I have rogue legacy on Oh, this thing is just like this thing just takes your PSN account. Okay, so any of I have on there, I still have on any game you own on a Vita,

you can play on this. Does your KIDNT need to be on? Assuming it is compatible? What's does your VDA need to be on? I don't think so. You do not need to own a Vida to you? No, no, no, no, this is a This is a box that access is your PlayStation all right. This makes a lot more sense than because no, no no this yeah, this this shares all your like PSN credentials and stuff. Yeah, so maybe the Vida just is not compatible.

Is a Bluetooth controller It's possible, or they should just call it the PlayStation box or like ps store box because the Vita stuff is kind of well here, it's the PlayStation TV. Okay, it does not have to Veta brand on it. Can you do saves through the cloud? Like? Could I do my legacy Vita save on there? As well? Maybe? I'm not sure how that's why I would do. That would make sense if you've already got it ONS four. Yeah, I mean, if you already own a

PS four and a Vita. I don't know if there's a ton of use for this thing. It's ice hockey and run out of pucks. Yep. I mean again, I mostly bring it up just to say, hey, hopefully we will do some Vita quick looks finally, because we still have no good way to see there should be there should be some games that will work four. Yeah, but again, anything that relies heavily on the view the

new games work for it. I don't know, you know, they're I think they're gonna be actively bringing games to it, right, but when a game comes out like launch Day on Launch, yeah, who knows, it's it's hard to say. I'll take whatever I can get at this point. Ye, with that thing. Another release state Blood Born. Anybody who's excited for Blood Born? I am. Don't tell me, it's just me. You like dark Souls? Yeah, I'll watch people play that, Yeah,

watch internet streams. Sure. Yeah, I am super fucking excited about blood Moore. Did you play it in packs it all? I played a D three and it's not the same content, Patrick get his butt kicked. Yeah? Oh yeah. The backs demo was way shinier. I mean it looked a lot better, Yeah, ran a lot smoother and stuff. There's all of the off screen in the world from TGS for people to drip over a

Yeah, I take a look at that stuff. I mean, that game looks really good, you know, just the idea of like the guy who directed the first Dark Souls and Demon Souls making a new game on on the PS four. You know, they've never been the most technical accomplished studio, but still that's a pretty powerful machine as consoles go. Yeah, seeing what they do, you know, and they've got really strong art design and stuff, so seeing what they do with that on a new console is really exciting.

And it's February sixth, it's the day after it's out in Japan, so no lengthy wait. Yeah, really excited about that. That's all the TGS news I've got, unless are intrepid game Spot correspondent. I hear you can buy underwear in vending machine. Yeah, yeah, tell me more. I've never heard such a tall tale. You've veen to Javan right many times? Okay, I've never seen that couple of times? Got done? Have you been to Japan? No? Gone in a couple of weeks though?

Have you not been the worst? No? What? Even then? Ireland? Japan is like your next door that's like you're in next door. Yeah, it's right there. It's the nearest island to you guys. Yep, I can see it from the beach in the sunset. It's right across the Pacific. Just a quick little boat right. Yeah, how long was? Do you know what the flight would be from Ireland to go? It can't be that bas Australia. I'd probably be eighteen airs maybe Jesus, I mean

that's like ten from year. Did you get the flower right over the No, that would be ridiculous. You'd go over a lot of the A lot of the airline routes from here to Japan go like up towards the North Pole and that's how very close and then back down. That's how we gets from West coast from Europe. They all go over the top as well. It's like thirteen eleven eleven hours. No, I never been always wanted to. Yeah, you guys, when you guys doing the ride, that's you know,

that's not for me to answer. Never bring that up again, okay, Uh yeah, like TJS got weird, you know, it became somewhat irrelevant at some point. Japanese development has had its own right problems in the past. Yeah, I mean there's there's interesting stuff there, but for the expense and time commitment of a trip to Japan, like there used to be a lot of stuff. Yeah, and it's uh, you guys need to go to games calm. That's I don't know about that. I don't know

about that. Why would you not want to go I've been in Germany. I didn't. You went to Leipzig. It sucked, right, it was miserable. Actually, I mean there are parts of Lipsick that were really nice or like a part was that there were part there was that room, there was that bar. The hotel was fairly miserable. Uh. The square where that church is, there's a church that was kind of foundational in Eastern European okay, like or I mean sorry, the East East German independence movement.

There's a really a nice church in Cologne. It's nice and it's the oldest. It's probably true in the world. You should do it. The sick video content you could create. Yeah, you're probably right. You know, maybe every time you guys have gone abroad somewhere be at Liverpool with our Iceland it's always sure. I mean that was one of the problems with Japan was that you can't film anywhere really, like every store operator like like try to

take cameras and arcades and stuff and just not having it really. Yeah, is pretty strict about that street pretty bad as well. I think you would refine more or less on the sidewalk. It's the worst shot, I guess. But just about any business we went into, it was kind of frowned upon. To be Yes, a lot of cross arms. Uh yeah, trade Chris are weird, you know, like going to them is a pretty significant expense in more ways than one. So I gotta know what you're getting

out of it. But maybe, Yeah, I can imagine your europe European tour. Europeans want out of the Liverpool video. It was quite popular, It was brilliant. Yeah, oh imagine Dan in Germany. Yeah, I love these are all great ideas walking. We would love to do all this. Don't get me wrong, Okay, you would love more premious descriptions that

went what needs to happen for this to happen? Yeah. Now, if I'm not the business guy, now I feel like I'm We were watching that pay per view last night, the WW thing on the network, and they did that nine ninety nine commercial, like fifty times the work. They're like ninety nine, don't it cost nine ninety nine? Yeah, like we know, we bade it. We're watching it on the network. Are they desperate? No? I thought I read the numbers are not where they want to

It wasn't where they wanted them to be. But they're they're doing okay, and it's not going away. I mean, you can't go back to the old pay per view model now and expect to sixty dollars a month from people every pay per view total, it'll do fine. And they are shoving it down people's throats every two seconds the nine ninety nine price point to the point where like fans are chanting nine nine, like bringing their own nine ninety nine

signs and everything turning into a meme. At this point, it's a weird thing that it might be working, but it's especially weird to be advertising it. Yeah, like you said to people who already signed up for it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know it'll work. It's gonna be around for a very long time. So ye, well I want to Formula one network. Yeah? Is there where I want this to succeed? So that is there? Is there a single organizing body that can make that happen. They

could, but they're very stodgy. Yeah, I can see that. The F one Formula one seems don't take this the wrong way kind of seems like an old man's sport to me. How dare you? I mean, there's an old man running it? Basically is how this is breaking down. Vince mcman is like seventy and he put together they lived longer over there. How old is he actually, I don't know, he's pretty old these in his

late eighties. I'm saying, Vince, it's not a pretty chicken and network was just it just seems like an organization that would be slow to change.

It's a it's a very stuck in its ways. I can imagine between like the amount of current deals they have with different television networks around the world and the fact that it's an organization that is exists globally that it's probably there's a lot of logistic issues happening between making The rights are all super weird too, and it's the entire sport based on rights like they don't I don't think they are not much money at the track, Yeah, for that stuff. Spashroom

buttle don't come sheep. No, well, a little bitch for this year he's gotta get paid. Wait, why he's not. Oh it's the only name I know. Sorry, now who am I going to harp on go for? Can we go buy ashi? Alright? Okay, no sorry, Pastor Maldonado. Yeah, okay, that's that's a cool name. Yeah he's a great driver. Okay, yeah, all right, one final story. He couldn't get to F one if he wasn't. I suppose that's true. Yeah, he need his government to like pay a load of money at F

one and something. What hogwash? Sounds scandals? All right? Uh so we did that quick look for warlords of dran Or Ran dran Or according to griss Waters, Okay, he would know, yep, if anybody would on gosh, I guess I went up over the weekend, right did? Yeah? Yeah, so that's fresh. I mean, Rory's been checking out the beta for that thing they've got. They're doing a culling of user names.

No, like a giant scythe is just is descending on the on the I'm trying to help me out with this analogy here, the Great Cerebra, the Great wheat Field, so he's fine. So last okay, okay, the the the great expansive field of how can I I'm flailing here the pasture of the old, the old wild characters that have been put out the pasture. Scie is going to come down and reap their user. I've got nothing away

with words, okay, So so sho be a writer. So if you had, if you haven't logged into any character in World of Warcraft, any given characters since November thirteenth, two thousand and eight, when the new patch comes, there's so there's new patch coming, like directly it might be me prior to the do you have a do you have character? Yeah? Really? Huh? You played well a torn shaman. What's what's called? Well?

I think I think carefully before you put that name out in public rights, Giant and Shaman, because because when the six point two patch rolls out, Uh, any of those characters that haven't been used in that period of time, the name is gonna be up for grabs again. Huh. I had a character I called Andrew WK on one of our surives. Cool, he was a human? Did they let it go? Yes? He was?

I feel like, wasn't there a point maybe it was early on when I was first playing, Like, I feel like for a while they were policing like goofy fiction breaking user names. But maybe they I'm sure. I'm sure like everything else, they slacked off or they lightened up on Maybe your name is Andrew WK though that's just maybe it was just Andrew an apostrophe in there. A friend of mine worked as a games master desert really so like solving in game is a web master? Yeah, okay, yeah, which

was a really weird job. He said, like ninety nine percent of his day was when people were needing and greeting at the end of raids and just raid bosses. Raid master's just going nap. I'm taking it. Wait wait, how did how was he involved in that? Was there a dispute? So he worked for a Blizzard? Oh I know that. I'm saying that, like, oh people, did the players feel like in power or to escalate that customer service? Yeah, it says if somebody took something that they

didn't deserve. All the tickets were basically all based on like he said, like we've recorded an interview back home, and I'll be up inside I want to hear that. But yeah, he's it's It was mostly like human disputes that would happen in the real world, like abused and harassment. Obviously something that needs to be dealt with, but like, yeah, he said that

was easier to people. People like getting pussy with each other over who gets the drop, seems like something that they would be like, Nope, working out among yourselves. That was really like mostly no kidding, that's hilariously a couple of dozen those. I would love to read some of the messages that came in. Holy shit. And then the rest of it was just racism. Yeah, probably obviously because the Internet, the Internet anyways of the Internet.

Thank you. I you know, I feel totally suckered in by this. I'm thinking about spending the fifteen dollars just to get back in there and just sign into my stupid character so that the themes don't get taken Bye Bye Destiny, even though I yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I watched, you know, I sat for that quick look and came out of that feeling like maybe I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. Do you usually go back? Oh? I haven't been back since Burning Crusade. Oh watched,

Yeah, I haven't played any of that stuff. Okay, then you've made a conscious decision. Well, I just you know, I moved on with my life. Dude. BC was like two thousand and seven, six I think six seven. It came out in No. Four it did. It came out on the November thirteenth, ten years old, and two months. You know your history Half Life was on sixteenth Half Life two m Yeah, yeah, I know. It's I just kind of I played too much while and then I said all right, I'm done, and I was truly

done. Huh. But yeah, I don't know from what I saw that quick. Look, I don't know if there's anything it's gonna give me back in I can't speak for you guys. What about you done? Yeahs, you know it was a good game. I have not felt the draw to go back, really. I just I don't like the idea of investing that much time into a game tour, like, like I'm talking hundreds of hours. I love a good thirty fifty hour game. We've put a couple of

hundred into both Borderlands games. But there's just so much out there and I kind of want to play everything, and I have a frame of reference for everything. So the idea of sinking hundreds of hours into Wow, just seems like it's not gonna happen. See's good that you're realistic about it up front.

Yeah, I just I know that in order to see all that stuff, the investment would be huge, and it would come at the expense of I wouldn't get to play all these other games, like I want to go home tonight and play and never Running Nightmares and Phoenix Rage and you know, like I want to play all these games. Has there ever been a game that you've spent in a Nordon Meda time first one? Okay, well not the first one, but yeah, during past one, probably like five hundred

hours or something like that. Wow. Yeah, it's a lot. But I mean that was over the course of like years and years, and it was just a staple of the dorms and they did every day. He didn't play that to the exclusion of everything else, though, Oh no, I played everything. Yeah, sky Rim and fall Out. Running sky Ram probably good ninety hours. Fallout it's probably around eighty and ninety. Yeah. You know, I do all the side stuff and go for all the achievements and

stuff, but once I'm done, I'm done. I don't really make another character, I'll do the deal, so I can't believe it. For the second week running, I'm sitting here thinking, man, I should be more like Damn, because I like that you're reasonable and then like realistic about it up front, you know, whereas like I'm the opposite of like I'd get into Destiny and I'm like, I'm gonna do everything in this game. I'm

gonna get the platinum, I'm gonna I'm gonna grind the end game. I'm gonna level all three classes up to max, and like a week and a half later here I am going like I don't have time for that. No, like Destiny, even I will, I'll beat the story, I'll get to level twenty, I'll do a little bit more to see how the loot system works and everything past that, and then I'll move on to Mortar or something. Yeah, let's see, that's the smart way to go. I

cannot rational measured man bad, That's what I am. And I'll tell you how many games I've sat down and looked at the achievements where trophies, going like I could do that, I could get all those Yeah, but do you do you feel regrets forever? Like doing that it recedes very quickly. Yeah. Then for the first a couple of days, I'm like, man, I wish I'd had time to do more of that stuff. Hey, you do you man? And then yep, there are some like that last

Devil May Cry, the one that anintin theory did. Yeah. For some reason, I think I was like sick for like two weeks, and I was at home right when that came out, and I was like, I'm going to get all a thousand achievements in this and I beat it like seven times, like even on the modes where it's like Dante dies and one hit and all the other guys are really hard, and like I got every single thing, and then which one was DMC the Yeah, I actually like that

one a lot. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great game. All right. Who wants talk about emails? May Yeah? Okay, well that was rhetorical question, because we're gonna talk about emails anyway, even if ye too bad, too effing bad BombCast giant bomb dot com except no substitutes. Send your email to that address, that address alone, bodcast com, Get the funk out of here podcast Giant Bomb, and I'll sift through your one hundreds

of emails every week. Okay, well I should do is actually email all the all Tap one ones, the Bobcast okay and vice versa them and wrestling stuff. Do you guys have any email address? Do you take emails? I think there's one that goes to Alex. Yeah, I think it's power BombCast. That's something that all right, well, let's just get all the emails out there. We'll be confusing at all BombCast Jack All right. Chris from England, Hi, guys, I just watched the TGS Final Fantasy fifteen

trailer. Like I said, I should have done that. I haven't played a numbered Final Fantasy games since ten and while I think the trailer looks cool, it's hard to discern what this new game actually is. It appears to be some kind of watered down character action game. I know Final Fantasy has had many spinoffs, such as the Tactics games or Crystal Chronicles, but if the gameplay of the core series has changed so much from the traditional term based

style, what even defines a Final Fantasy game now? Is it even still a jerp ps I'm from the northeast of England, so or your usual amazing English accent will not be appropriate here. Please look up the Jordy accent before mismershing my people with your Cockney nonsense. Also, jerp is not a typo. It's how all the hipcats say at JRPG outowed these days. Grace, can you favor us with your rendition of a jority accents? Captain's from Newcastle?

That sounded a bit well sh actually yeah, yeah, that's on Dune. No Newcastle, Sunderland. Come on, England's not that big as it. It's pretty big. Yeah, welcome reading Rainbow. I'm terrified to the accents because it's on then, it's on the internet forever a practice. That's whatever, man, you just gotta own it. I wonder, I wonder if he wants Oh well, Mite, you could do a company one as long as the stands lot com supposed to be in Oliver and it's fine.

That's not terrible. As real as the world's foremost authority on British accents, I can tell you that that was pretty good, Thank you. Does Ireland have regional Oh man, Ireland's insane? Is it? Like every county is slightly different? I had I had a friend who could not understand my uncle's accent. Really because he was from Westmeath and nobody knows what I was, like, what does your uncle sound like? Oh? Like, I can't even do it? Come on like, I talk like this and I'm from

what I'm from. Okay, if I was back home in Waterford, I'd be talking a lot faster like this, okay, and you'd probably be a lot harder than his stand. But you've done that at a bar before. Ever. Yeah, I got a couple of drinks to me and there's another ice fill there and I started talking like it's all faster. Yeah, I can attest. It was hard to understand the rich for the lack and all that. But then I used to live at Cark. Cark is down to

set West. They won't talks like this, and they at the end of the sentence it goes up really high. I'm butchering these by the way. And then in Dublin they're living like North Dublin. They kind of talk like they're like they're trying to perpetual sneer. We're shamous from what's the starry shame is he's from North Doblin, Okay, I think he's from Randler or somewhere. Okay, Then if you're like in the country, like if you're like

Donny gall or somewhere up somewhere up north. Yeah, he might talk a little bit softly. It wasn't a little will too like Daniel o'donnald you talk like that. And I'm not going to get a tour of all these places when I go to Ireland with him, I'll bring it anywhere you one, Okay, I want to I just I want to meet your uncle now. I want to hear yeah, or just get him on the phone, you know, skype him in next week. Sure, that's he's from Westmead,

my friend. I'm not sure if they have internet or indoor plumbing. I'm sorry, I can take the piss out him culture you're not. Well, yeah, you just have to do it in the outhouse. Oh damnas damn as is the name of the bar that I'm going to. And well there's a lot more going on with the out house. All come full circle. That's is that the one in the middle of the field. Yeah, it's in a corn field. It's b I ob usually sit on your cooler or say no more, not on this podcast. It's probably save it, okay,

yep, yep, save it. I'll save it. I you know, I don't have an answer for his question. Like we said earlier, I don't know what Final Fantasy is at this point either, and who knows? That could all be stuff that they've just stripped the UI out of. You never know. Sure like it looks cinematic for a reason, because it's a cinematic each trailer yep, you know it looks like a final Look. It's a bunch of you know, Final Fantasy asks looking people in it.

I guess all having some Final Fantasy asked stuff. A lot of spiky feathered hair, yeah, backflips, how many belts? A lot of zippers and buckles yeah, yeah, monsters, jackets, monsters yet nice cards team so many as the person buckles, teens saving the world the video game, you know, I mean the idea that Nomura is not going to be on Final Fancy games from now on, Like that alone gives me some hope, Like

he's just chuck. He's done the character designs for the last like what eight of them or something close to it, you know, welcome some new blood on that if nothing else, all right, how about an email from DC, the person of the District, David Cool tired. I didn't say it's just signed DC Daniel like this. About a year ago, my sweet old

mom bought a set of yoga videos on a recommendation from friend. She's never paid an ounce of attention to wrestling, so she was fairly confused when an hour later she got a phone call from an exuberant Diamond Dallas Page personally thanking her for buying the program. Not knowing who he was, my mom was fairly confused to be getting a random call from this crazy sounding guy. But the way she tells the story, he was super excited to explain his history

and how he ended up doing yoga after his injury. YEP, I guess he just randomly calls people up to say thanks and get them engaged in the program. Sounds like a class act. He is. He is so awesome, he is. That's how he personally sold me on it. I was at a bar before mcfoley's comedy show a couple of summer slams go and DDP was just standing at the bar by himself. I was like, when I got a beer and I was like hey, DDP, and he's like,

oh yeah. I was going just like lights up immediately and I'm sure he's got marks coming up to him all the time, but he acted like he was actually like really into the Conversation's cool, and I said something like, yeah, I heard you're like teaching yoga or something. I was like, oh yeah, bro, let me tell you about like oh it's great. It's not this hippie dippy crap. It's not this period. And I was

like, Okay, that sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. And so yeah, he personally sold me on the DDP yoga program and I've been doing it for like three years now. Like he is so excited. He should be excited to tell his story. He is one of the few happy post wrestling career stories that's ever come out of that industry. And not only is he himself doing great, he's helping the hell out of Scott Hall and Jake the Snake and all these other guys, like it is a very positive thing

and he's he's fantastic what he does. Yeah, that does not surprise me at all that he personally calls it's a feel good story. Yeah, but you're not seem in Simpsons or Ringo Star Like forty years later is like writing back on March, so like all that, that's it's not what he's doing. He's just making good on everyone who's ever bought one of his DVDs. I think he's pretty quick on the draw with that stuff. He's not waiting forty years. I mean, he's he's gone all in on this business,

and I think it's doing really well for him. Oh that's nice. Yeah, all right. I could not care less about wrestling, but I like hearing stories about wrestlers. I can't explain it. That's the thing I was home for last time. I was in Kansas City and my aunt was asking me about DDP yoga. I don't think she even knew that he was a wrestler or something. She's like, oh, yeah, all my friends at

work are doing this DDP yoga thing. And I was like, oh, really, Like it's like d I d I pe like it's some sort of like spiritual Yeah, oh DDP Yeah, yeah, I've trained in DDP. Yeah, it's spent five years in India. That's awesome. That's great to hear. Yeah, that's yeah, that's fun. Also, if you ever tweet anything about DDP yoga, DDP will probably either favorite it or retweet it, but then add on all caps bang at the end of what you said I did not right, Yeah. I think he says it just like that

every time he doesn't. Yeah. Yeah, you at DDP yoga and then hashtag DDP yoga. That was a good hardy bang. Yeah, that was a good one. Charles has an email here for Dan and Drew. Yep. Dan and Drew should find this information interesting since they were curious to know if bananas came from trees during a demo Derby Weird Fruit Facts with Dan and Drew. The yellow banana fruit is a berry, but the quote unquote banana

tree it grows from is actually an herb. What everything is lies fits other fruits that are berries, oranges, cum quats nope, watermelons, pumpkins nope, avocados nope, eggplants, tomatoes, and more. No, all berries. A strawberry is not actually a berry. Yes, it is an aggregate fruit. What the brownish spec Yeah, yes, the strawberry is the click bait of the fruit world. The brownish specs on the outside of the strawberry

are individual, tiny fruits that each have their own seed. The red part of the strawberry is called a fleshy respect fleshy receptacle and isn't really a fruit? Botanical classifications are weird? Is that that time? We like find it that tomatoes are why you say it like that? Did you say it that's slowly because you thought that's how we say it in America? No, it's not azy. Okay, get that, Get that fleshy receptable away from me.

Aren't they fruit technically? Yeah? Well that was what we all know. They're really That was the only weird fruit fact I ever knew until now. None of that makes any sense. Banana tree is nerb. I mean, have you ever seen what a real, like a natural banana looks like? Like? It looks nothing like what you know as a banana. You know. It's one of those things where they, you know, selected agriculture over thousands of years. Really, is that sticker? That's not what they

actually weird? Yeah? No, no, they selected and bread for that. It's a desirable traits by the show up and super Monkey Ball that way, yep, very desirable. Good play super monkey Ball. Yeah you PF, we should do the monkey target practice many games. Yeah, that one's awesome. Let's do that next to you, PF. Come on Man. You can't you can't tip your hand. Oh yeah, I mean maybe we'll

do it. Sometimes that will never happen. Yeah, okay, Eric from Sweden, if you want a pac Man two Boys, you gotta go watch that Demoya. There's a lot of that in there. It's real good. Maybe I will, But first we need to advise Eric from Sweden on his upcoming trip. All right, he says, in a couple of weeks, I'll be visiting San Francisco for the first time in my life. It will

also be only the second time I'm in the States. Do you have any suggestions for things I should see and do while I'm in there in order to experience proper American and or California and the culture. Yeah, second, any second? And tear of Ball. There is a can Can Taco and then hood Slam is the first Friday of every month. Encore, Encore karaoke. The place cross from Taco Bell sells forties for pretty cheap. There's a dog there. Wish I hadn't. I'm just gonna cut this dog there. Feel

I feel bad for Eric, I will say. Somebody else wrote in asking about good burritos in town. Head to the mission and go to Tacarea Cancun or Lattakaria. Lat Takaia was actually named the best burrito in the country. Yes, what's actually try that Laakorea and the mission literally the Takaia. Okay, so you know it's good by the part station, uh sixteen mission, think it. It's not right by there. I want to say, actually, I think that might be up closer to the twenty fourth Street station.

They have the most mind blowing case adia really maybe one of the most mind blowing things I have ever eaten. Latta Area. Yeah, yeah, they're not been there. They're flower case Adio with god I can't remember. I think I got it with Carnetas like they you know, they cook the case of you heavily with lard. It's one of those like you know about that. Oh yeah, you don't want to eat it all the time, but holy shit, I really want one right now. Holy shit. It's huge

to get there from it's huge. You take the bar out from here, and then when together on the box go to Ten Peaks, awesome, it is like it, you know, that's pretty out of your way though, Okay, Twin Peaks. I like Ten Peaks, Alcatraz tour was great too. Yes, spoke ahead though, yes you have, Yeah, you have to book the ferry to Alcatraz ahead of time. But the Alcatraz tour,

like the recorded like the headphone tour, is actually fantastic. It's because it's it's like it's all narrated by former guards and prisoners, and like you're in like, for instance, you're in the room where one of the escape attempts happened, where they're talking about how they got their hands on some grenades and dropped them down through a hole in the wall as you're like standing there looking at the holes of the shrapnel damage to the walls from the grades, you

know, like it it's it's all time. Super well, it's a really interesting thing. But also a night tour at Altraz is creepy. I really want super creepy. They're stopping soon as well. They only do them during the like one half of the year. Okay, yeah, you need to the hell of view of the skyline in the city, but also it's just being out there in the dark is kind of when is the guy coming here?

Uh? A couple of weeks. A couple of weeks, he says, A couple of weeks is when fuck the fans five bro etic justice. So boys time they've asked the fu Oh yeah no. But even when it's not an official the fans event, there's a lot of the fans. Chance, don't bring your kids. Yeah yeah, also cycled to Saucelito. That's a nice one. Sure, it's all right. Across the Golden Gate, it's a lot of stuff to do. You can go past the Giant Bomb.

Where are the old Giant Bomb offices over there on Bridgeway? Okay, yeah, to cross the street from a wine bar, yes, great, and a seafood restaurant, the seafood restaurant and Saucelito on Yeah. All right, here's an email from Honk, right, do we have that one here? Did you have that? All right? I'm gonna give you like five seconds. You better make good. Okay, I'm gonna that is not a honk car related I never get to use that thing again. Also not a

honk that's stop the boner sounds. That's why the icon, besided is is an erect fallace. Yes, Honk asks not just said it was not about the money, but puff Daddy already explained at length that it's all about the Benjamin's baby Benjamin's in Sweden or in these yeah, in these troubled times. Who can I trust? Weird al m, it's about pentiums people, right, I guess you're right. Uh. And then John John has A has the serious equivalent of that question, which is, what exactly does it mean

to say Microsoft bought mojaying for two point five billion dollars? I mean, where specifically does that two point five billion end up? I mean it gets split up based on the ownership of the company. You know, I don't know specifically what that stuff is. I saw. I saw some kind of speculative figures. It seems like Nacha is by far the the majority owner,

something like one point four or something. The figure I saw was that you owned like seventy percent of the company, which means like quite literally, he gets seventy percent of the of the two point five billion. And then you know it's like the community manager. I forget that girl's name, what's your

name again? She's probably like sitting on at well. You know, that assumes that she had equity at all, you know, at some point type of company he's that made sure that happens probably, I mean I read that they were up around forty employees at this point. Okay, so I don't know, but you're you're right when you're talking about that much money, like a fraction of a percent is like it like a life changing sum of money. I am happy for him. What that lettery road where it was basically

it makes like for someone like creative minded, that way makes complete. He's very humans washing his hands. Yeah, he's like, I need this, Like I was never comfortable with this. I never really wanted this, which you know, a lot of people would roll their eyes with that. I'd say it kind of like i'd say if somebody who likes making stuff to be like, I'm sure he's very happy with his success, but to be labored creatively like that that you're stuck with this thing, right, must be quite

difficult. It'd be cool though, if he if he puts some of that to use, you know, even if he's not gonna be out there making new games directly. Like you know, when he was kind of flippantly talking about funding seconds too, Yeah, like he kind of already could before, but now he could do it without any risk fund like you know, you know, programming schools for kids in this home country, or you know, yeah, yeah, well we'll see all of Africa, yeah yeah, or

you know, maybe he'll just vanish off into the either who knows. It's weird. Yeah, success has its has its bad sides too, guess. So all right? Brian from Schaumburg, Illinois wonders. I've often wondered do any of the crew have pets? Since I didn't really know, I came up with some good guesses as to what pet each of you guys would have. Jeff as a cat named Cat. Jeff didn't buy or adopt this cat. It just showed up one day. I feel like that's cheating because that

totally happened. Did it really Jeff had a cat that they called cat. I think it might have been a roommate's cat or something at the time. I don't think it was directly his cat, but it lived in the same place. Is dead now not venture. Guess Drew has a bearded dragon because dragons are cool, so our beards. True. I could see you with something like that. I could see you with a lizard. Yeah. No, you seem like the type of person that would keep an exotic like a

tarantula or snake or some kind of lizard something weird. So yeah, I don't know. Reptiles don't really do it for me. Yeah, I think they're cool. I'm with you, Pat, I'm not really sure totally with you. Apparently he thinks I have an elaborate saltwater fish tank with many rare fish and expensive corals. Tracy Morgan basically is he Oh he has like sharks and stuff. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, oh I would do that.

I love aquariums. Huh. How they sound like so much work though, I actually did have a s like the little uh the tiny sharks that you can actually buy from the pet store. Wow, they're dwarf sharks. Yeah. I had one of those as as a kid. If I was fabulous, Yeah, if I was fabulously wealthy, like notch wealthy, I would put in a wall sized aquarium. Yeah, and pay somebody to come in and maintain it. Yeah, just happens. You get it big enough that you can dive in it. Wow. Yeah maybe, depending on what's

in there. M hmm. I think their aquariums are really nice back backdrops, you know, for soothing. It's not snufflake. Dan, don't go in there. Yeah, Dan shouldn't have pets. Yeah, I've learned that numerous times. I keep wanting to people, you know, we we still get the emails. Hey asked Dan about blank and I keep wanting to ask you. But I'm worried that there's some kind of it's not a collective. In fact, it's not overt cruelty. I don't I don't think you would

do that, but I could see there being no avocation of responsibility. No, no, I always if I was an asshole, I would have pets, because I don't I'm not responsible enough for that. Basically. There's one time in college I was watching America's Funny Home Videos and I saw some clip where a dog was running to go catch a thing and he hit a dude in the nuts and it was really funny, and I was like, that's hilarious. Dogs are great, and so I went on Craigslist and I was

like, yeah, I'm gonna find a dog. And so I got a dog, and then I went to the bars that night. Yeah. I fed him and everything, bottom toys and everything, and then I woke up hung over the next morning. It was like nine o'clock and he was like howling, like wanting to go out and I was like, oh, fuck, this is gonna happen a lot, isn't it, Like like several times a day. It's like I don't know about this, And so I gave

it to someone on like Facebook or something like the next day. And then like three years later, when I had an actual place after college, I was like, I got a backyard. Now it's now it'll be easy. You know, it's got a fence and stuff. You can running around side. I can just go out and play, fetch them mylocks or whatever.

And then that turned out to be too much responsibility too, so I gave that away within a day two when my mom works with And then when I was a game in the warmer in Minnesota, I thought like I'd always grown up with dogs and they're pretty high maintenance, and so people were telling me they're like, oh, cats are like so low maintenance, they're super great. And I was like, okay, I'll try a cat. I've never

been a cat guy, I'll get a cat. So I got a cat, a baby cat, and named it Macho, a kitten named Macho after a mister Savage, and it was pretty cool, you know. We was

pretty low maintenance. But like I traveled twenty four hours later. No, I made it two months and I was tired of like, you know, I was traveling for work and stuff, and I was like, I gotta find people to come like check on the cat a couple times, because like, if I wanted to, I could just like leave it and have a self feeding thing or whatever, but like I don't know, I actually care

and don't want the cat to be like neglected and stuff. So I want a friend to go play with it and feed it and make sure it's got everything. And it was just hard to set that up and everything, and I felt like I was inconveniencing people. So after two months, even a cat was too much responsibility. So I gave it to Tim Terry of Game Informers. So Tim still has Macho it is he still is he still Macho?

He's still Macho. Tim didn't change the name. Uh So, Yeah, because of all these experiences, people keep telling me not they have kids. Yeah, they have laws in like most states to where if you have a kid and then you just don't want it, like you can just drop them off at a fire stations. That's a rule. It's called like a safe law or something. Yeah, this one then the road for me, that just breaking me out when I first saw him. That is that is

something that that is a possibility. Yet, So if I had a kid and then like six months later, it's like this is hard work. I just take it to the fire station. I'm good, No sweat, darkest conversation that we've ever had with you, just really saying something. Steve Jobs was an adopted child. Look what he did. It doesn't damn a child to like what do you have against Probably wouldn't have achieved what he did if he wasn't. Actually, yeah, that was a big driving thing. Sure

yeah stay there you go. So yeah, it could be uh you know, I mean there are more formal channels you can go through if you would like to put your child up to do that too, I would be leaving him in a fire station. That's the thing. It's like I love dogs and I love kids. It's just like it turns out there's like responsibility and ship that comes with that, and I don't ever want to have responsibility.

Should try to fish if I may twelve months would have fish. Kids are probably okay, uh yeah fish, you had to clean the tank and crap. I don't want to. I just never want to have any responsibility to do. I mean, a kid. A kid is higher maintenance than any pen ever. I've heard that, but you know what I thought, you have to say that. Well, I don't think that he is fully grasped. But who he is? Okay, maybe a horse. I am smarter than my dad, and he had me at twenty and I turned out fine.

So I'm thirty, I'm ten years smarter than he was when he had me. So I do fine, Wait, but what age did you stop learning? I got I started getting stupid or in college? Okay, probably around like two thousand and two, like you know, age eighteen nineteen. That's when I heard. What if you've actually regressed below aged twenty levels? I might have. I haven't had any responsibility in so long. Have you ever crapped yourself? No? No, no, not even in the drunkest

No, no, no. Maybe I was a baby. Probably certainly the baby, yeah, pretty much, certainly. I mean you have to ask my dad for confirmation. Babies have a really hard fun keeping it. I had a low tolerance. I gotta build it up. I gotten on our toothdache, dad, So I actually picked that bottle of Irish. I do think if I had a kid, if by some stroke of misfortune, I had a baby, Wow aboard, No, no, no conversation, that's not that's not what I mean. I think I would get my ship in

order and I would do just fine. I actually think I would do pretty good. I make it out of the conversation. Just goodness. I think i'd be a good fun I'll put it. I'll put that out all right. We don't ask that any more questions. Oh, you haven't been on since he started here? Have you? And I would be Wow, you're coming home with creative? Yeah, we see plenty. Should pretend that. Oh boy, let's move on. What do you say? Sure? Any works? Nathan from Olympia, Washington. He says, Hey, have any

of you ever been on a dating website? Oh? Boy? Opened up Pandora's box? What man? I feel like I don't even need to read the rest of the email. I for what used to go first? What did? I actually haven't so I don't have nothing to contribute. What do you do if you spot somebody you know in person, especially someone you have always wondered about dating, would you try and contact them and go on a few dates. Please answer in complete sentences and cite examples. Don't think is

where that email gets really weird. No, I've seen that even recently, like on tender and stuff. You'll see it's like, oh, there's that person I've worked with or something, and I really I typically have a policy of just swiping left, which means saying no, yeah, because I don't know, that's just weird, because I mean, if you know him in person and you're interested, you just tell him in person Naska or whatever. So as yeah, it's just weird. I don't know. I don't do

that as an addend them to that. If you do see somebody you know and you're at a bar and you've had a few drinks, don't just turn it off because you're probably slighted bright and then it might be something you wish you ender them just for the last Well you still, I mean, I haven't used that thing, but you don't. There's no obligation, right, Oh no it is not, but there's a but there's a knowledge there. Then Okay, there's like a you both saw it. Yeah, okay.

I feel like I feel like the dating world has moved on. Yeah, I'm falling behind you. Think hmmm, I think that's uh, I don't know. I guess it all depends on the relationship you currently have. Well, if you have a relationship, oh with the person. Yeah. Oh, like if you see somebody like how well acquainted your ex on there? I've seen that before really. Yeah, but I've always been friends of my

exes. Like we usually give each other advice and stuff. When I'll like break up with the girl, Oh so you on any good okay, Cupid dates, whatever, and like we'll give each other advice and yeah, I hear. If you say you're a marine, you're a marine. Have you ever lied Internet? I can't. I am really bad at lying. I can't do it. So it's all one hundred percent true. So do you mentioned two world records? I don't think I do. Wait, how many do you still have? I think I have one active one Mario one?

Yeah. Nice. Yeah, girls are real impressed by the fact that I've played Mario for fifty straight hours. But that goes along way. Oh man, doesn't do you ever worry about I mean, this this gonna sounds I hope this isn't too self adgroondizing. But do you ever worry about somebody seeing you that knows you from the internet. Absolutely not like I don't know. I've had girls message me being like, oh hey it's Dan from John Bam. I'm like, hey, what really, that's nice since you came here.

Yeah, yeah, well I had a couple times a game in Former two. I don't care. I mean, the thing is just don't don't do things like that. Don't put things on the internet that you don't want see. I'm not that's That's not what I'm getting at. I'm saying, like, with that weird you out at all? No, And they usually make a joke of it if they're messaging me. He's like, oh, I hope you don't think it's weird, like I's some crazy stock or something. I don't. Don't. Don't bother me at all. Okay, fair

enough, Yeah, do you disagree? He seems to be pretty deep into the game on this, and he's deeper than me. Okay, So how do you feel like I missed out? Like none of this stuff, None of this stuff was a thing when I was at night, very long time since I was on the market. But man, this is ridiculous, whole new world out there. It's so much easier nobody talks to each other face

to face. I know, but that's Here's the thing with online dating is that, like, and I was talking to Danny about this last night, is that let's say I see a cute girl at a bar or whatever. And I've never been the guy that like goes up to a girl to bar like pick up lines at by your SHOT's like it still that feels sleazy to me? No, no, no, I never was. Yeah, It's like you could talk to a girl at a bar for like three hours and all you have to go off. I was like, okay, I find

them. Attraction's like, oh, we're talking, but like there could be huge, crazy deal breaker things about just very core life and philosophical decisions and

that you're not gonna get to in that conversation at the bar. But the way like, okay, cubitas set up, just from five minutes of just looking at the way they answer questions or how a profile set up or your match percentage or whatever, you can learn way more than you could after like four dates of just someone he met out or whatever that doesn't have a profile, and just weed all that stuff out. It's fantastic. Now I'm sitting

here trying to think what Dan Richard's deal breakers are. They're actually they're pretty No, no, no, not consumption I told any of you, I don't know. I don't know. I'm sorry I brought it up. I'm sorry I included that email. No, man, mind going some really dark places. There can't get worse. Oh boy, yeah all right, Colton from ames Iowa, be kind cold, Hi bombers. My wife loves the show Total Divas. Does that mean she's a fan of pro wrestling? No?

Is that are those iceling divas that he's talking about. It's it's like the Bell of Twins, and I actually I like the show. It's just it's the one that like tells you that John Seen is crazy. Yeah.

Yeah, so you see, like it's not just the devas because like a lot of them are dating superstars are one of them is dating a news So you know, Nikki is dating John Cena, Breeze dating Daniel Bryan, and you get to see them from time to time and in the context of this relationship, and obviously a big chunk of it is kind of reality TV up or whatever. But then some of it is just like, wow, this is crazy. It's just We're seeing Daniel Bryan go through John Cena's crazy mansion

for the first time, and it's illustrating how different their personalities are. But no, I think it's a brilliant move because it brings in a ton of people that wouldn't ever watch wrestling or know any of these characters. Like I've heard my mom and my sister talk about the show and they don't watch wrestling at all. And so if even a fraction of that audience goes and starts watching raw because they want to see, oh, who are the Bellows fighting

or whatever, brilliant. Just bring in as many demographics as it can. So, but no, just watching Total Divas is not I mean, you watch wrestling. It's a reality show set around the world gay wrestling. Was that it's a gay way, Yeah, yeah, could lead to Yeah, they'll put it on the network then after season two and yeah, get them back on. Get those numbers up. Somebody asked, who you gotta grow

out our audience? Yep, everyone does. Onward and upward. Uh do you guys remember last week when we got the email from a guy who was a programmer in a non video game field. Yeah, yeah, and he wanted to get into programming games. Got a ton of emails, Oh, recommendations, yes, cool, and they all say the same thing. Really, It's crazy how in lockstep all these emails are to the point that I just like, I pulled two or three. I don't know if I'll read

all of them. A couple of them are quite long, but like scarily similar in a lot of their recommendations. Let me this one. This one boils it down pretty well. But but the points may it are, like I said, pretty universal. Uh. He asks me to read this, And honestly a lot of these people are you know, they are employed as programmers at game companies right now. Uh, this is for ay who asked last week how to break in video game programming, and he just straight up

and enumerates this like a programmer would. Step one, if you've never programmed a game before, program a game to supplement your portfolio and get a feel for what's involved in game programming. Step two, apply to companies. Why is somebody calling me on the phone right now trying to read this email? Declined? Uh? Step two apply to companies. Step three, don't screw

up the interview. Step four prepared to take a pay cut. Huh, which was Yeah, that was a pretty universal theme the pay cuts as well. I'll, i'll. There's a more illustrative example of that in a second regarding drew speculation about whether the tests are the same as non game industry programming tests. There would be a mix of written tests and in person whiteboard questions. They try to find out one what you know and two how you think

through problems you don't know. The answers to the questions can be specialized. Here are some freebies. Explain what a dot product is, what's a cross product. Here's a whiteboard, write me a linked list. Cloud asked what if I want a double linked list? What if I want to delete elements in the middle of the link list? How would I minimize the size of the linked list so it fits in cash? Shall I go on? I'm

kind of curious. Yeah. Three, here's a whiteboard. Write a function that takes two rectangles to find as two pairs of points and tells me if they're intersecting right. The same function for two three D boxes. I like hearing this stuff because it demonstrates just how far from you know what we experience as game players. The game has to come from you know. Yeah, have any guys in anty programming? Very little. I was a CS major for like a year before I realized really, right, so you'd want to

see in Joba or yeah, see see C plus plus. Mostly this was ages ago web stuff language called processing some people. Some people said make sure you are proficient C plus plus because it's still pretty weid spread. Last question he gave was how might you figure out if a polygons concave or convex about a polyhedron? Oh? Boy, the hang on, there's a much longer one. That's like it was really interesting, I thought, but it's super long. I don't know if I really need to read the whole thing,

but I'm looking for there. Another thing that came up over and over was certain times of math you really need and I can't find it. It was a lot of like matrix stuff. Yeah, I can't remember all the terminology. Oh that's yeah, yes, be well versed. If you can see, if you can see the code, you got a leg up eat the blue pill. I mean it was you know, it was the type of math that helps with you know, tracking data in coordinate space three D stuff.

But this I found this, This is from Ryan this is actually a good, good example of how this stuff goes. Last Momcast, you guys briefly touched on this, and I had a little bit of input. While I myself I'm not a programmer, a friend of mine is. When she graduated college, she shopped her skills around to a lot of different places, both within the game industry and outside of it. The three places most eager to hire her were Boeing, a second big corporation, and Cryptic Studios,

the developers of her then favorite MMO, City of Heroes. From everything she told me about the experience, working at Cryptic Studios was basically her dream job, since she had been playing the game for several years and the position they were offering was exactly the one she was looking for. But compared to Boeing and the other interested corporation, the pay was an absolutely miniscule fraction of what

she would be making anywhere else for doing half the work. Ultimately, she went with Boeing, and of course, City of Heroes development team went through several waves of layoffs before having their game unexpectedly shut down in the middle of developing a new expansion. We talked about this recently since the podcast brought up, and she basically just wants to warn people away from working in the game

industry unless they're pursuing some sort of independent project with a small team. Programmers and artists are just too disposable at every major developer instead of changing this at all, a quote unquote difficult employees are easily replaced by one's more desperate for work. As all her opinion. Obviously, he knows it's unfortunate, although you know that squares with most of the reality that we hear about. It's

unfortunate, but it's how the industry works right now. If you want to be a programmer on a game, your best option is to make your own small team and do it as a side project while you have a more stable job keeping you alive. Wow. Yeah, do you ever feel like we're warning people away from this type of work? Yeah? Kind of. I mean we got an email this week saying, like, how do I get into games writing? It's like there's not a lot of work to go around.

Yeah, and there's less all the time, and it doesn't pay well. Some things long and hard, you know, I mean, you know, that's the type of thing people do because they love it, just like

making games. Yeah, I mean making games I think is a far more abusive line of work in terms of lack of job security, seems like it, and horrible hours, you know, like the you know, we might we might work extra hours around the fourth quarter doing reviews and stuff, but it's nothing compared to the crunch horror stories that you hear trying to ship a

lot of games. I mean, I wouldn't warrant it, warn't anyone against it, as long as they're realistic about you know the fact that they're aren't that many jobs out there, right, they have fallbacks, and they have like a college degree or something like that. Oh, I think they're they're are you talking about our line of work? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you know it's worth of shot. But I mean, so much of getting

into this type of work is right place, the right time. Yeah, Like on top of having the skill set, I think it's one hundred percent persistence. I think that's yeah, that helps certainly, But I think I

think you're my my situation, it was definitely both. It was a certain degree of like trying to do it, but like like you said, like it was a shot right at a certain stage, you just need to cash your chips and gets head out and right, and you know, there's there's no prescriptive set of steps to guarantee easier to get into this type of work. You know, there are a lot more jobs to go around in game development. But yeah, like the threat of constantly having your team downsized after

every project ships and that kind of thing. And unless you know, unless you're at a valve or something like that where there's relative stability, it seems scary. But you were shaking your head about what that the oh, I just oh, yeah, I just don't I don't like the idea given up. I don't like the idea of like, you know, I know, yeah, no, I just think that anyone can do anything as long as

they're persistent about it and really just bust their ass. And you know, if you don't get the first six, seven, eight jobs you applied to or whatever that. I don't like the idea of just you know, calling the day and tucking your tail between your legs. I think it's just a reason to work harder and get better, and I tell you, get where you want to go. I had tried for five years and moved country.

By the time I decided I was done. Really yeah, So like I was done by the time the game spot hit me up, I'd failed to get the job twice previously, I was moving to the Middle East. I was, I was five weeks away from doing it as when I got the email. So like, I'm in a weird situation where for me, getting out of that was definitely the best decision for me at that time, because I'd spend so much time and energy trying to break in and then I had

no idea that you hadn't. I thought you just sailed right through. I was because I moved to London so I could try and get work at games by UK. Applied, I interviewed for one job and I lived in Irelands.

I failed to get us. I didn't get interviews for the next two I applied for and then the last time they just emailed me somehow, some way, yep, somebody, somebody listened to those old doncasts and heard those phone calls or not bombcasts, I mean hotspots excuse me, so like its podcasts from a different life in that situation, both scenarios were right, like it was good to stop doing it because you could keep doing it, like

you probably know people like I certainly know people who have been trying and trying and trying who are way more talented or it just it was the wrong time and it hasn't red worked out for them, right, and you know at least have a plan b Yeah, yeah, I mean, Dan, I admire your spirit, yes, and I you know, I would agree with you if we existed in a perfect meritocracy. But you know, there are a lot of other mitigating factors. I don't can't impede somebody's progress or enhance

it. It's never gonna hurt someone to to not give up within within reason. You're right as long as I again, like I was out of college and working at fucking at Garment GPS doing texts report and I was out of college, I already been reviewing games for five years or whatever, and I kept doing it. I kept reviewing it in my spare time. Yeah, because it's like, no, I don't want to do fucking tech support for

the rest of my life. So like, I spent all my free time reviewing like every game that came out, and I did six hundred reviews for free before I ever went to game informers. So I mean, I don't know, I just think that if I would a cash in or whatever, then like what I guess, I'm just you know, I graduated college and I'm working tech sport for the rest of my life. So yeah, I just I don't know. I feel that with enough persistence, there are there

are exceptions, but most people can can get whatever they want. Certainly it certainly can't hurt your chances. Yeah, no, it will greatly help your chances what I mean. Yeah, Yeah, but yeah, this, you know, this line of work is weird and changing and shrinking, and you know, the the YouTube stuff blew up for a while, but that stuff

seems largely kind of entrenched at this point now. Yeah, like it seems like breaking into that field even if yeah, it would be pretty dodgy with some of the very established but even companies are size are having trouble, like

game Spot having trouble getting seen in that area as well. There's gonna be success stories though that that you know, there's going to be another like you know, Pooty Pie or Angry Joe or whatever that gets really huge that that is just starting like just making an account right now just because he's gonna bust his ass and put out good contents. There's gonna be other vectors for that.

Yeah, that's the bigger thing. You know. It's like when people ask us about getting into this specific type of thing, you know, kind of more mainstream games, writing and press and stuff like, not a lot of positions to go around. You know, it's really hard to it's feeling a lot less mainstream man. Yeah, sure, right, yeah, it is what it is. You know, it's uh editing, you know, worth doing. That's if you love something that much. It's never read that

much effort to do it anything. Yeah, it's like you were gonna do it anyway every exactly. Yeah, that's kind of how I got into this. It's like I wasn't really doing anything else and it's kind of spent all my time paying attention to it. So here we are. That's uh, that's kind of good for emails. Emails alrighty god, nobody said it, didn't you said? I guess I counts. Yeah? Those are a short podcast? Is this? I feel like I feel I feel guilty all the

time. How long has we did it? It's only two hours? Well we could just talk about something else if you want. Bride, we're right here. We're all friends. Okay, I can talk about my hard lenses, right. We were talking about contact lens. Your lenses. Oh yeah, I've got my glasses on because I've only got one pair of left. Yeah, you were start talking about context. I think you can you have dailies, right, yeah, where you can get two? Yeah, okay,

I said, I've I've worn monthlies for several months. But yeah, I cleaned him. That's he's not good. Like sleeping in him sucks. Yeah, oh I could. There's no way I could when I got twelve hours. The things feel like they're going to crystallize. They even still make the breathable ones that you're supposed to be able to sleep in, I think so. I think they do, but they never worked for me. Yeah, I can't imagine that. That's the worst feeling. Yeah, Like,

why do you need to see your dreams better? I think it's just laziness, right, It's like you put them in and then you don't have to take him out. I tried them because I was going on long backpacking trip, but I ended up just taking dailies. God fiddling with contacts out in the woods worst, So I didn't want to have to clean him my hands wouldn't be clean anyway. So I brought a bunch of that what do you call it? And sanitizer, yeah, and the sanitizer stefka uh and then

just yea did that before I put him in. My eyes stung a little bit. I had one pop ash onto my lid when I was playing on goal and in football, so I had I had hard lenses when I first started wearing them in sixth grade, and the idea was to keep my eye from changing, to keep my prescription from getting any worse. So they like, you know, sort of suck on your eye, keep it in that shape. But they're really uncomfortable because, as you can imagine, from being

a hard piece of plastic in your eyeball. And one time I was on a trampoline and I guess that landed on my face somehow, and it broke in my eye and actually scratched my cornia. Oh yeah, I have a fortunately eyes heal real quick. I have a kind of similar story. Yeah, yeah, there we go. I was there was a something breaking and me getting hurt. Okay, I was in college again, A lot of these stories come from college. I've settled down a lot since then. So

I was I know I used to be. I have settled down significantly since college. I was kind of a maniac. But all that stuff is on your YouTube John now. Anyways, there's a lot of that bullshit. You can just look at it now. So yeah, it was probably like twenty two, twenty three, and as soon as I hit twenty one, just like the bars and everything was just like all the time and Lawrence so like

Mastery, which is like the main line of bars and Lawrence Kansas. Went to some bar and we were getting a taxi to go somewhere because we're all drunk, and I was an idiot college student that used to be like drunk and be like, dude, let's steal this eyehop carpet and New Love an eyehop carpet in their apartments. Likeway, it was a pretty cool carpet. I returned it when I moved to Minnesota. I thought, I look here, here, here's carpet back. Sorry, I threw up on it a

few times. Yeah, But we were waiting for this taxi to show up, and we were in some weird lobby areas some building, and there was a frame like probably like a foot by a foot and a half. This frame picture. I forget what it was. It was something silly or stupid, and I was like, oh, I should steal this and put it up in my apartment. And so it was a glass frame, and for some reason, there was also a chair out on the sidewalk. And so

we're waiting for this taxi. I'm holding this frame. I don't want to get caught, and there's a chair down there, and so I shoved the painting down the back of my pants and it's super uncomfortable, and then we're just waiting in the taxi's taken forever, and I was like, I'm gonna

sit down. So I sit down in the chair, forgetting that I have a glass frame painting in my pants on my ass, and the glass just shatters and I get a bunch of glass in my ass cheeks, and I was like bleeding through my pants and stuff, and so I had to run into some bathroom. I'm like a pull glass out of my butt. I just went home all drunk and just sat in a bath Unless you're drunk, so you're bleating faster. Yeah, it was just a bad situation for everyone.

Really. Wow, I was almost hoping you would say that you continued on with your night, I know, but I think it was after calling. We're just trying to get burritos or something. But yeah, yeah, they are the only barrier to him going out again. Was that it was last call. It's like, yeah, probably, I probably, I probably would have. Yeah, It's like the story of Sean Bean getting stabbed outside a bar and then like sewing himself up and just going back in and ordering

another drink. I was like, who is this? No Sean Bean, Yeah, Sean Bean, the actor. Yeah. Really they was in a bar in London, wasn't it somebody That's cool? He got into a knife fight, or he wasn't in a knife fight. He had a knife pulled on him and then he caught his tom open. Then he looked into the back of the kitchen, wrapped it up and I don't know what I'm were in his hand? Cool? Yeah, he was on a date. Would like something? Yeah, okay, that he was on a date. Beautiful

lady. He was all right, it was yeah, and some guy tried to harass her. He stepped in and then the guy pulled a knife. Excuse me, I'm Aleck Trivillian. Yes, And then he went back inside and ordered another point. That's cool. We should all be so bold. Give any injury stories. Brad, I've been run over twice Jesus, Yeah, no I can't. I've lived boring life. Run over by what a car? What? Yeah, you've been like over by a car? Yeah, hit by a car at speed? Well, I've been over the top

of them, but you haven't been run over. How fast means you go under the way. That's another American thing. You know, you get you get quote knocked down right in the UK. Yeah, let's you say knocked down. Yeah, we get hit by a car. Okay, okay, if you get run over it that means you physically got there's like a speed. There's like a couple of dozen people in San Francisco who think I've been rolled over by a car because I've been saying for a couple of months.

Yeah, how fast was were they going? Oh? Gosh, miles and are I don't know how many cars? Second moments was the bottom? I was about thirty miles and there maybe, But you went over the top of a car. I broke the windshield, broke the side in mirror. Wow, my because I hit the corner of it. So my my knee a busted in his door as well, and then I went over to the top and lon dented a car door with your body. Yeah, they have my

knee broke windshielded my elbow. And then when I landed on the ground, the guy got out of the car and went to beat me up because he thought I was going to run away and leave him with like the insurance what yeah, but my friend pulled him off me and then what the constable shows lots of adrenaline involved. I said sorry, which I shouldn't have said.

I so I ran across the road of dead looking but he also was driving way too fast in town and went around the corner without without indicating rind things. We just drove past. He had his wife and like infant shield in the back of Well, it was all a bit messy. What was the resolution? I caused something like three thousand worth of damage to his car and I had bruised tendons. Really, yeah they did. They told me to go. I was like, I feel like I'm fine. They were like,

yeah, just give it. Give it at twenty minutes and about twenty minutes time, I was like weeping into a friend's like arms when they adrenaline ran off, but yeah, I was all right. Well, yeah, look across the road. That's intense. Hm. Be careful out there, Yeah, don't be an idiot. I think a Morrow of Valdi story. I think I need to go lie down though. Yeah. Yeah, thanks and Destiny. All right, I'm gonna go get into a prone position and

rack up some crucible marks. Wonderful. Yep, thanks for joining us, Danny. Thank you always a pleasure. Welcome back anytime. I'll but didn't talk too much as you talked too much. Should have talked a little bit more in your uncle's accent. But other than that you were fine. All right, Thank you guys, Dan and Drew. That'll do it. See you guys next week for another Giant bomb cast. M M