Giant Bombcast 09/16/2014 (Premium)

Mm hmm. Tuesday, September sixteenth, The day's come, the day I's calm true. This is your part Tuesday Breaking Home Dan. Yeah, it's our new theme music. That's pretty good. That's yeah. We're we're shopping it. Yeah, I mean I think we nailed it. We're working all yeah, Okay, maybe first day, Kip. Yeah, come, I'll send around the mix down and we can I can look at it. I want to bump into my car, make sure it sounds tight, and I

I've I'm talking with the Rick Rubins people. I think maybe gonna get him in here for a little. He just wants to lay on this couch and we'll not wear shoes for those productions. Okay, sure, get him in here. I saw a picture of him the other day. He still got the beard he got old. Yep, he is like old man old. Yeah, he's still got in the beard and the long hair. He's still like a weird looking dude. Yep. Absolutely. Welcome to the job Bodcast.

Yes, your weekly update for all things Rip Reubin. That's right, we nailed it. His work on Let's work with jay Z yep, his most famous work of fall indeed. Yeah, yeah, it's a podcast. It is a podcast that is accurate. Jeff Gerson is here. Hello, you're scandal in this here. I am Dan ragerd is here. I'm here. I'm bred Shaker. Hi, Jeff. Yeah, I think that we need to declare moratorium on pre podcast burritos. Uh. I've been thinking about it, okay, for like the last hour, since since we went and

got that burritos, since we finished those burritos. Yeah. Yeah. He's also always eat lunch at like two four. Yeah. I don't know what's up with that. I don't get hungry until I barely. Sometimes I don't even get hungry until six or seven. Yeah, yeah, I even how you guys do I even ate breakfast at a normal time today? Like eat? I normally don't eat breakfast, and that's doubly weird. Yeah, Like you don't wake up hungry, Nope, as soon as it clicks over to

noon, I am starving. I wake up with a feeling in my stomach that if I were to eat this early it would probably be bad, like it might come back, yeah or maybe something. I don't know. I often wake up going like I don't oh, the last thing I'm thinking about

his food about energy drinks sometimes. Yeah, yeah, we should switch over to my dad's diet, which is he wakes up and has monster energy drinks and cigarettes until about seven thirty or eight at night, and on his way home from work he gets like twenty dollars worth of taco bella, eats it all and then passes out. Wait, he eats once a day. Yeah, at night first weal Yeah, first meal, first and only meal. Yeah, cigarettes and energy drinks until it seven or eight nights paleo, Right,

so I think that's what he's going for. Yeah, yes, ancient man survived. Yeah, so you're it's monsters and foraging for taurine. Yeah, means cholupa M. Dude. Wow, that's I don't tell that's all I can handle for this week? Do you save the rest? All right, we'll get back to that weekly. Paul reichord minute. Yeah, wow, that's I don't smoke. Yeah, I don't know, you know, And I usually will have one energy drink a day, not several. But what's his energy drink? A choice? You know? Rock star? Yeah,

yeah, just plain right. Maybe it's monsters. Yeah, I think it's just came up twenty seconds ago, said because yeah, every time he comes to town, he's like, oh, you gotta go to the store and make sure you get a bunch of Monster energy drinks. So I always have to like stock up before it comes over. Is like a specific flavor of Monster Green, the green one, the green can. Yeah, the Monster Rehab, which is their knockoff of Rock Star Recovery, but as tea

in it. So it's like a morning thing that like a what are you what are you rehabilitating? Exactly? You're hungover? Ass Okay, I think that's the kind of implied doesn't work, yeah, sort of, yeah, yeah, So that's kind of the only energy drink that I drink anymore is rock Star Recovery, which is like the ten calorie non carbonated lemonade flavored because you're hung over every day, yes, like every day. I don't even

I don't have the drink anymore. I still wake up going better. Not anything, no, No, it's it's uh, it became like the last effective energy drink for me at some point, and so I drink those. I usually I will stop and get So that is the thing is like I don't necessarily eat what would you you would call a breakfast, but I will stop at the gas station more often than not. Okay, and get get that in some kind of breakfast bar, like a cliff like yeah, like

a cliff bar, or like a power bar, cereal bar. Usually not a cereal bar, because those are just candy at some point, like it's just it's all too much fruit and nutbar. Or I'll get trail mix. The other day, I got some peanuts. Peanuts are good for you. This is why you should listen to me drive into the office. You could. You can hear these game time decisions being made. Yeah, as I get back into the car and go, I got peanuts. There is there There must be like a mixer app on the phone, right, Yeah,

that's how broadcast out of the phone. You can also listen from the phone, so I could listen to your commute while I'm on my commute, I think, so yeah, wow, Yeah, it's heavy. It's a real nightmare. It's Steve. Yeah, I don't think I'm ready for that. Nope, I don't talk so much anymore. So it's really just you'll listen to music here you flip around satellite radio and basically do you ever listen to the god? What was it called? Was that X? Rated station.

They took it off. It's gone. They took it off. Since when did you give me that ride? That was only a couple of months ago. Yeah, so you can still get it on their app. But yeah, I guess that company decided they wanted to go solo and now have an app of their own. They want you to pay a separate monthly fee to listen to, so lucrative is their business. So why there? So it was adult radio run by a porn company. So where was it just interviews

about the porn industry or no? So this is this form has been going for years and years. Playboy Channel had something similar called Nightcalls, and it was a video show and people call in. Truckers mostly truckers love satellite radio. As it turns out, truckers are the kind of the early adopters of the satellite radio world and there's still a big part of it. Truckers also

love pornography. Yes, truckers are also they are on the road and lonely, so truckers will call in to touch themselves while talking to a lady of porn while driving a truck and she will say things in a porn like nature, whow I mean maybe driving a truck. I have no idea. This broadcast on the radio, satellite radio. So you hear the truckers station.

Yes, they're callers, they're grollers to a call in radio show, and so she's saying, like the stuff she's gonna do, and he's like, no, I mean it's ostensibly it's like a I mean the one I heard was almost like a call in advice show. Yes, so yeah, there's some advice, but sometimes it's just like, what are you wearing? What do you want me to be wearing? Like you, I'm a bunny suit. Bunny suit, And then that sounds fascinating. It is incredibly fascinating.

I found it horrifying and and and also severely horrifying. Yeah. Yeah, but sometimes you'll get like ladies of porn who are of note hosting some of these shows, and people will call in to go, I love all your movies. Good impression of peorgn thing. Yeah, and those are always fun to hear too. So yeah. So at one point we got the Playboy channel, and don't I don't subscribe to it. I don't get it anymore,

but they used to. It was a video version of the show, and they would take calls, so it wasn't truckers at that point, I guess. But you know, people would call in and they'd be like, I want to see your boobs big better, so the camera would oblige. And it's a it's a it's a nightmarish form. It's a nightmarish use of technology that I can only support. And this is a company that makes money

and sustained itself. It used to be Playboy, and then it was Vivid, which is renowned, and I believe they have gone off of the satellite radio airwaves to their own website now where they're selling memberships like you would to a porn site for example. Porn industry is really trying everything to stay you know everything we're making, yes, and everything went bad for them. That's that's the bottom dropped out of porn at some point because the way the Internet

is gone for them. Yeah, they kind of have to figure out new revenue streams. It's very rough. Satellite radio is such I think this video

game shit is weird, man, Yeah, it's not get started. Satellite radio is just so weird to me because I mean, yeah, it's behind a paywall, so obviously they can run whatever programming they want, it's mind a paywall, and then on top of that that channel and like the Howard Stern channel and Oprah are behind another paywall three dollars a month or something like that, wait on top of the existing fee, even even when you had it or yeah, okay, yeah, I'm just paying for some premium tier

of service. Yeah exactly. So I think, you know, because Howard Stearn's contract was so ridiculous when they signed him up that I think that there was just like the fees they were currently getting, they wouldn't be enough for them to pay him, right, so they had to they had to do that. We all realized they could get away with doing that and did it or whatever it ended up being. But but yeah, it's just I guess,

you know, the delivery mechanism has always been so sanitized. Yeah, you know, under the it's still the hospices of the FCC or whatever, even though it's like it's like logically, I know, A, you're paying for this and B it's coming from a satellite, so you have to have like specialized equipment you can hear it. Yeah. Yeah, Like the idea of a radio station playing like X rated content is It's like it's hard to process fucking amazing when you hear it coming out of the car speakers think hard

to think about, Like if you can hear the worst shit imagineable. And I'm not even talking about the porn stuff. I'm talking about the rap stations. Yeah, some of the shows they have because they'll they'll do mixed shows just like any other rap station would, and it'll be like people in the studio saying whatever, but now they can really say whatever, And you're like, that is maybe the most ignorant, homophobic, racist thing I've ever heard

anyone say. And that was one sentence. Experience it live. Every week dj K Slay finds a new way to make you go, man, I gotta fucking stop listening to the hip hop. This is fucked up. If they ever given Uncle lukea's own show, No, he may have had one at White I know actually he was on regular terrestrial radio in Miami. He may still be. How did he contain himself? You know, Uncle Luke

is for the children. Okay, the two Life Girl always were That was That was the secret about that stuff is like no adult has sex like that. That's only something kids want to hear about right. Yeah, I really like satellite radio, but it's also frivolous and stupid, Like you know, I don't know that i'd recommend it, but I got when I bought my car, it came with a subscription, and I was like, yeah,

I like the idea of uncensored. Actually it's been really nice. It's gotten me way back into rap music in a way that i'd kind of fallen off just because it is. It is uncensored, and they are they are kind of out there playing whatever. But there are plenty of like the pop stations. It's not like they don't just curse on every station. They denote like these are the explicit lyrics stations, and it's the metal station, and these

two rap stations and that sort of stuff. But if you go to the pop station and a song with cursing happens to be popular at the moment, they still play the radio. Aren't there even I think it's bullsh Are there even like stand up comedy stations and those are on sensored too? That sounds

awesome. I just yeah that stuff. Yeah, if you were a trucker and you were in the car all the time, stand a stand up comedy is weird to me because they always they'll they'll play full sets, but it's a lot of just like here's track nine off the CD and then track eight off of this other guy's CDs. It's like all backs of things you didn't even hear. Yeah, there's stuff like that as it happens, where you're just like this, I don't know that that's the best way to digest that,

but it's not. It's not the worst thing in the world. They have like five comedy stations. Is there a wrestling one there? So there are sports. There are a ton of sports things, and I keep hearing that there is some show on there that is a wrestling show. There's not a station, so you can't just go to one where it's like, oh, here's Austin Jericho, Ross's Pipers, like all there's like that's all.

No, there's no one that's all. So on their their online side of the satellite radio stuff, they have like a thousand more channels because it's the Internet and who cares, and for that stuff they actually have gone out and licensed podcast content for some of those. So I think like comedy Bang Bang is on or or was at one point on the satellite radio that way, So there's no reason they couldn't do that. But they're not devoting actual satellite

bandwidth. It's not coming off the bird. As we say in the satellite business, what's the bird the satellite? I know you're hip to the lingo. It's coming off the bird. Stupid. Oh man, we gotta we can't see the bird from this part of the sky. We gotta cut these trees down. You gotta paint the bird. Like Grandpa's growing up had like the traditional style of satellite dish. Yeah, the kind you had to like a root in the ground and it was like eight feet across. Yeah,

you know what I'm talking about. That's awesome. Those things are awesome. And it was like you know, motorized, so you had like you know, pointed at a different bird. Yeah, you'd have to hit You don't have to hit a different bird, right, you just paint a different bird. Yeah, Like you were you were literally like dialing in, you know, making this up, but like US East or whatever, you know,

it's like coordinates SAT SAT Star Galactic or whatever. And then you wanted, like you know, once you hit that satellite, you just said like I want like Trance pondered nine, right, and yeah, it was bizarre. Did you watch like raw satellite feeds using it? No, I'd I'd never messed with it too much. I didn't want to screw anything. I never I never really got the opportunity to mess with one either. And that's I mean, that's I feel like I missed an era of television that was really

magical when that stuff was just unencrypted out there on the area. Because in space, I got the sense that even they didn't know what was going to come in over it, you know, right, yeah, like you could get a book, like there was a company that'd be like, you know, here's the TV guide for satellite TV. But it was this giant thing that was like I don't know, point the satellite at Texas and then you'll get this and you know, like, yeah, all that stuff is so

crazy. Like we had a satellite TV for a while and when New Year's came around, we just would watch the ball drop at nine pm. If you got the East Coast feed and they go to sleep, it's great, the hell of a night. And yeah, you were you were a real helly and worship. Yeah, jeez, yeah, you've got you've got like whatever the modern equivalent is, right, I've direct TV, which is the tiny dish. Like those things don't move to they Nope, they don't need

to. There are synchronous yeah, multiple birds, yeah up there, so you just like find the one with the best line of site. So it ends up being that you depending on what programming package you want, you might need a dish that can hit multiple birds. Okay, so if you want like all the Spanish language stations, you need an oval shaped dish or something like that because all the soccer and and Spanish stuff is on a separate soccer

bird. Soccer bird. Yeah, fascinating. Yeah, man, that ship's in space, wild and wooly world of satellite television, and it's not like you used to be. Oh but what is That's that's a good point. I want to be in space. It's like sweet okay, yeah, I feel like we should launch a satellite. You got to spare two hundred grand. You can go buy a ticket on Virgin Galactic. That's it. I think that's what it is. Yeah, it's not that bad, is it?

Like hundred thousand dollars for a thirty minute flight. I thought it would be millions to go into space. Well no, no, I mean, let's not up and running yet. Is it space space or is it like you're really high and technically in a different like stratosphere. It's low Earth orbit, I believe, So is it see stars? I mean, is it might not even be that? Actually I'm not sure. It's very low. So you're not out of the atmosphere. That's a good question. I'd have

to look that up. Yeah, that'd be a rip off. You're weightless, You're definitely weight you are weightless. Yeah, okay, but I want to be out of the atmosphere. I want to look and see just nothing but black and stars and stuff. I don't know that, yeah, and be floating. Think you might be. I remember reading how High You Go and being slightly disappointed that it wasn't high. It's like eighty thousand or something. Yeah, I don't know, one hundred thousand. Yeah, I don't

know. See if that stuff ever even happens, You guys think Mars one will happen? Was that the reality show? Yeah? No, reality show? What's that? They are doing a reality show where they pick like colonists and send them to Mars. Who's talking about doing this? Is this like an actual TV station or a crazy Dutch billionaire. Okay, all right, it sounds about right. So wait, is he funding this and trying to

like and then privately do this. I think he's he's he's privately funding the start of it and then is hoping that the reality show catches on and then that will uh feed the mission. I mean that would be the most even the most popular reality show going wouldn't necessarily generate the amount of money required. Well, that's the thing is, like even the most popular ones, like when Survivor was a huge d like, the production cost couldn't have been that

bad. It's just like, hey, let's get twelve assholes and put them on an island and point cameras at him, Like, you're not sending people to Mars, Like that's way we're expensive to take it to an island. Yeah, but I'd watch the hell out of that. Sure, I'd be on that show. Yeah, i'd go to Mars. Would you be the first guaranteed? Yeah? Not coming back? You mean you mean according you

mean according to the terms of the way these people are doing it. Yes, Like they're just saying we're not even building it into the mission plan to get you back right. Okay, So you're going to be famous on the show, but you're going to die on an alien planet in the contract. What's wrong with that? Be the first person to die on another planet again, like I said, I would do it. Elon Musk wants to die on Mars. Really, Yeah, that's why he's building all them spacecrafts.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with dying on an alien planet. I mean, you've you known't done it. You want to guarantee it plays on you, Like seriously, what I said. You want to guarantee your plays in the history books. That'll do it. Yeah, you will never be forgot, especially if it was like something really dumb. What Yeah, Yeah, it's just like salmonella in space. Sure, aid, would you get a Wi Fi connection? Is that possible, because like satellites are still during the same

universe right as Mars. They're really far Mars is really far away. Yeah, the rovers get a data connection like they send him, but but it is not fifty six k there's an eight minute there's an eight minute lag from from Earth to Mars. Yeah, you try to join a counterspects here where you get kicked them? Could I stream the WA network from Mars at like one frame every nine minute, but a buffer for a couple of weeks. Yeah, just hit play, then hit pause, and then I walk away

and come back to my legend's house episode. Yeah. Like, oh, I've clicked to play on the wrong thing. I'm trying to think of what you would eat on Mars dirt. It's a bunch of rocks. I mean, I mean Dan specifically, I had to bring a lot of astronaut food. She's probably travels. Yeah, I would think she's with his astronaut food. Is it actually it must be good enough for you? Probably? Right? It propels out of that can in a way that would probably be pretty

awesome in space. Is there no video silly string? Oh that'd be great, I wonder, Yeah, pressure ized containers. I don't know. It's calls for an experiment. Yep, let's go to space, get it up in orbit. Yep, let's make it happen. Dan ivied and the astronaut ice cream. I think I haven't like dry and weird. Yeah, I think I had it when I was a kid. I like it, is that good? Is that the same thing as does dipping dots? Or is that? No? I scream of the future. Okay, yeah, I've

never I've never had either. I'm just both they're both great. Yeah, it's been the ice cream of the future for like four decades. When I went to Space Camp, that's what they had, yep, but not actual astronaut ice cream. That too weird. Let's all go to space Okay, Yeah, the Space Camp is awesome. I also went to their sister school, Aviation Challenge, just like Space Camp, but for fighter pilots, which was better. Who I would uh man? Were they both full on camp

commitments? Yeah? It was like a week okay, yeah, okay, challenge just sounds like an obstacle course. Maybeation Challenge had a room full of uh cockpit mockups of fighter jets that everyone got in and then dog fight against each other or something. Yeah, so that that's called that's called Magic Edge. Is the jet fighter version of Battle Tech that's like commercially available. It

was. It was in Mountain View and it was yeah Alabama. Okay, so there was like multiplayer dog fighting in these enclosed cockpits that would raise up.

They wouldn't do full three sixty, but they looped around so far enough that it sort of felt like it and It was awesome, but they wanted you to wear a jumpsuit, and they were all very much like talking to you like they were real fighter pilots and not just dudes that work at this fucking jet simulator place or whatever come up and click their teeth at you know, you know, I'm probably not. You aren't dangerous that some actual valcomer's

doing. Now. Yeah, he's trying to get that off the ground again. I don't think I don't think Madge is open anymore. But Brad, I go skydiving every year. That's how can I convince you to go skydiving? I feel like Drew's done it all right, Okay, waited to tandem or static line? Tandem tandem? Okay, Jeff, you ever done? No? I want to convince you guys all to go static line. Is the first five times I jumped, I went by myself, which I didn't

even know you could do, and it's terrifying. And now I'm only doing tannum for the rest of my life. Of course, you found a way to subvert the rules of sky It might be so No, it might be some weird Kansas po dunk place I was going to or something I just pull this thing here, you'll be good. No, you don't even have to

pull anything. You do an eight hour class and then they attached like a big gass rope to your shoot and to the plane, and so you get up like it's it's a low jump, it's like four thousand and five thousand feet and they open the door and you have to grab the strut that's connected to the wing of the plane and you ship me out to the edge like

you're fucking Steven Seagal. And then you look at this dude of sitting in the doorway and he's like, all right, let go, and you let go and make an X with your body and then the thing pulls your shoot for you. So there's like no free fall really, so it's like seven

seconds of like holy shit, what's going on? And then there's the shoot and you float down for like you know, ten minutes or whatever, Whereas tandem you get like a two minute free fall, which is super awesome and you could pass out and shit your pants and land on the ground safe right, Like to only do tandem like static line, no, it sucks.

So tandem are you to the point where you just jump out with the shoot you have to do like within a certain amount of time, you have to do like X amount of tandem jumps, and like now I'm at the point where I've done it enough to where you get like a log book and it's like, okay, so this time, now you're gonna be checking the l termater and you're gonna be you know, pulling the cord instead of me.

Like the first time you do tandem, they're gonna do everything, and then they just give you more and more responsibility until it's like, all right, I want to jump out of this plane by yourself. Yeah, so I haven't done that yet. I don't know if I want to. I kind of like just the not responsibility of tandem and like its just dude, you've done this ten thousand times. Make sure I don't die. Yeah, you

know, how long is it the free fall? I usually do fourteen thousand foot jumps and it uses like a two minute free fall followed by five to seven minute to cent. I think, what's going through your head during during the two minutes? That's the thing. It's everything's going through your head on the ascent, like as you're on the plane, because that's when it's just all the panic or you're just sweating. It's like, oh god, oh, let me make sure I'm strapping all right? Okay, does this?

Okay? This, it's fine. How many times you jumped to okay, like you're you're panicking. Then the second that you kind of roll over and you start falling, your brain just just adrenaline just straight through your brain, especially like the first hundred feet or so where the the wind resistance hasn't caught up to your body. Yeah, and that's just feels like you're falling. But as soon as you like get a speed and you reach like equilibrium,

then it just feels like you're a wind tunnel. Yeah, you just kind of yeah, and you don't have a sense of like it's not like you're falling off a building where you're seeing stuff relative height, you know, like right, it's just like the far West getting closer. That is that when your terminal velocity, when feel that point of floating. Yeah, okay, I'll tell you. The weirdest part for me, so I went with my brother and my sister and my mom. The weirdest part was seeing other members

of your family leave an aircraft. You get the video and stuff and do like frame by frame and like up there goes. You know, my girlfriend just fell out of that thing. But the cool thing is that now you can say that you've taken off in more planes than you've landed in m which is fun. Yeah, that's true. You should always do the video though. Yeah. Yeah, they have like the wrist mounted stuff or whatever. So I've got like clips like my sisters and my ex girlfriends and stuff,

just like falling out of planes and looking terrified. Yeah, it's pretty hilarious. But you guys have fun with that highly recommended. Brad, you're gonna come enjoy it. You're coming, Brad. I'm good right here. Jeff, can you be convinced? No? No, no, Drew you out for it? Yeah? Okay, sweet, he's already done it. Yeah, it doesn't count. We gotta bring rookies in. Oh, Me and Jeff will just hang back and play video games. That's right. I'm playing

for the twenty six hundred. It's basically the same thing. It's it's exactly the same experience, but with more adrenaline. Yeah. Oh, Jeff, Hello, Hi, Hi, what have you been playing? Oh? Well, have you been playing? Since we last talked? I had played all of Destiny or the vast majority of Destiny. I did that too. I played Destiny until it said you can see credits now if you like. Well, that's right. They don't make you see the credits. They just give

me the option. And then played a little bit more and wrote that review and stuff. That's primarily I also played a lot of Destiny. Yeah you too, Yeah, yeah, how far interview you guys? A little fifteen? Okay, I hit so I just got to Venus. Okay, that's halfway point ish. I guess I'm a few missions to Venus. Yeah, I hit twenty last night. I finished the story last night. Yeah, I have begun these slow climb toward getting enough gear to go see that raid

that is. I really don't like the way that they've built that stuff. Yeah yeah, I mean the like post twenty like hope you get some drops end of Destiny. It seems really it feels it feels very uh like I almost want to call it antiquated, Like it feels very like original Wow release, like gear up in a tune for these raids that even at max level you have no hope of surviving in unless you do all these other like required

things, right, Yeah, the right gear or rent or whatever. It's like you're basically grinding content you already played over and over ad nauseum until you get the required stuff to go see this new content. Right, whether you're you're grinding out currency to buy those things from the shops or just hoping that you get drops, right, Yeah, you're you're kind of either way.

So I I still I still have three strikes I haven't done yet, so like if that's new content, but other than that, yeah, it's just gonna be either playing Crucible, which is you know, at least inherently repeatable in that it's multiplayer that's that's accurate, or playing missions that I already played in the course of doing the story. I think I would probably rather replay missions than play the competitive end of it. Yeah, I definitely. I

haven't really decided yet. I Mean my experience so far is that getting the gear you need has been easier in the multiplayer, Like it's been dropping faster from me there. Well, so I'm not at twenty yet, so is the deal Like the XP bar is just one after certain points based on gear, so you still earn XP after twenty, but it doesn't go to a level anymore. Every time you would hit a new level after twenty, you get what's called a mode of Light, which is just a different currency because

there are something like eighteen different currencies in this game. That's the thing, is I keep collecting all this stuff, you know, I'm picking up all these weapon parts and these like spirit blooms or whatever, and yeah, and all this stuff weapon parts are used. You will find weapons later on in the game, or the higher end weapons that you know how you can buy upgrades for some of them. Yeah, some of those upgrades will require weapon

parts in addition to money. It just seems weird that I'm you know, I'm level fifteen. That's not crazy far. But I've played a lot and I'm going to all these shops and there's like usually one row of stuff where I can buy stuff. It's either gray or green, and you don't want any of it, No, it's all sucks. And then there's all this other stuff that like I don't know what this stuff is and I don't know how to buy it. Yep, you know, I always have zero on

the vanguard points. And like I've been playing a lot of multiplayers, I'm a crucible. Don't accrue those until you hit level eighteen. Once you hit level eighteen, you start accruing Vanguard points and crusp points. Why, what's the explanation for that. It's it's completely opportunity in the beta. You actually got them immediately. I don't know what the fun the reason is for that. It's been sane. That seems really dumb. Yeah, I feel like

a lot of the progression and stuff is well whatever. I think Destiny has a ton of problems. I'm with you and I at the same time, I can't stop playing it. There are very interesting things about that game, and I think it is, you know, a lot of the same way we talked about Diablo three, but I think less, so I think Diablo three is better. It is a podcast game. It is a It is

a voice chat. Get together with your friends and you're just having a conversation and you happen to be doing this mindless shooting task along the way, Like, oh, well, we're playing the strike that we've done eight times already, so we know exactly what's going to spawn, where and when, so we barely have to think about killing it and we could just like chat about our day at the same time. Yeah, I'm playing it the exact opposite. I am fully in paying attention to the game, and I'm playing by

myself. Really, yeah, are you liking it? Yes? And I think number one, I think I have a high tolerance for repetition and slow things. But also I think once you get a sense of like how like the game's scope, every little change, like a different weapon or something,

becomes a big change. So that if you kind of if you if you're playing, if if you feel good about the game, and then get to a point where you unlock something, it's exciting, no matter how small in the grand scheme is Yeah, I mean you get used to the set of weapons you have and then it's like, oh I got an auto rifle with this and this and it has twenty extra points of damage like that. Yeah, it is awesome and it's real pretty. Yes, it is a really

nice looking game. The art is fantastic. I ended up because it was the one version they didn't send it to us. I went in and picked up the Xbox One version of the game to give that a look, which, I is, have you been playing on that Xbox One? Looks fine? Looks right there with PS four like it doesn't you know obviously wouldn't wouldn't have a huge difference, but but yeah, uh I got to play level eight on that, and then we played a little bit of PS three as

well. Do you summon your ghost without the track pad? The back button or whatever they call it? Now, that's one I at least everything about the Xbox that it's options and menu. No, no, no, it's options. On PS four, that's it's options and Sarah on play states menu and something else on Xbox two squares on top of each other. Yeah, I still don't know what that button is called. I mean this yeah, this generation gave us the death of a start button. Yeah, I got

plus in minus on will you Oh that's right? Actually, well I think didn't they put start back on all the in addition to plus and minus. I don't know the three DS has started. It's all needless change for the sake of change. I don't like it. You know, we got to a point where it's like, why hit start? I mean you just hit A or I guess X or you know whatever. It's something to pause with. Then they should have a pause button. That does bug me about.

Destiny is not ever being able to pause, and it's a nonline game that's you can't pause in World of Warcraft either. That doesn't make it right, but that's that's where they're coming from with it. At least. Yeah, you know, just kill everything around you and then go find a corner. Yeah, or back up twenty feet because the game has really harsh or like agro tethers or whatever. When the guys will run back and reset. That's

fine. If I need to go to the bathroom and I can kind of like figure out like, oh, okay, I'll wait until I get to a place I can stop, and then I'll go to the bathroom. But if the doorbell's ringing and there's a pizza there, it's like, well, I can't just wait thirty seconds something important like a pizza coming, yes,

don't plays Yeah, but also a worry about that pizza. Even even the strikes, unless you're doing really badly, aren't more than twenty thirty minutes, Like nothing is Nothing is a huge commitment in that game, as I found, I got to a point I was really enjoying everything about the game, and then at a certain point their style of storytelling kind of caught up with

me. I think it's about halfway their venus where I was just like, I am killing robot after robot after robot, and then you're scanning something. You're telling me the Vex are especially bad, but you're not really explaining why. And it's not because shoot them in the stomach instead of the head, right, that's it gets them somehow more evil. They have a confusing weak point. That's why they're such a galactic scourge. Yeah, oh no,

the Vex. Right, But you know, they start I won't spoil anything major, but like you know, they start laying out, here's what you need to do to make things better, and they don't really say why and who who the people are? They're telling you this is of little consequence. Yeah, it's it's And then you want to believe that they have written out well fleshed out things in the lore for all these different factions they because that's

you expect Bungee Games to help that. They definitely have, because all the grim Ore cars on the website have all that lore and none of that's that long though, well it's not, but it does make the paragraph right, but it's not. It does give things more context though, like it makes you like it. It explains who the awoken are when you finally go and meet them, you know where they came from and why they are the way

they are and stuff like that. Yeah, but instead you just get stuff like we need to go kill the kel, right, Like what's a kiss? What's the kell? So like, shut up, just go kill just shut up. So apparently the fallen the way apparently the fallen are called the fallen because they're they they are of an alien society that was once like you know, like solely focused on honor and family structure. And they are all from different houses, you know, okay in the in the traditional sense of

like in a house is a very large organization. Yeah, so that's why you go, like to the house of Winner to kill their kell, because the kell is But how the fun do you know about any of that stuff? Like, yeah, how is that doll? Mean you don't and it doesn't matter. That's that they they have. They have fucked it up on

two fronts. They by not explaining it, and also even if they did explain it, who cares, Right, Well, it seems like it's sort of stuff where like at the bare minimum, though, they should have put a mass effect style codex in the game that had that information there, just to be able to read it all in the game. Just a terminal in the town they can run up to and look at your ship. I mean, they wrote it. The text exists. Text exists, it's just not

available in the games. Build a fucking robot that you can walk up to and then hit X on the robot and then the robot says, here's your cards. Do you want to read them or what? Right? But I have to disagree with you though when you say who cares? Like I would care if they made it more clear why everything matters? You know what I want to know. That's the thing that I wouldn't reddle the cards. It

didn't help. It didn't make me go like oh yeah, like you know, it was one of those things where it was somehow even more frustrating because it's like this is still like two paragraphs, like what is this? Is there a novel that came out before the game? No? No, No, that was their mistake, see that all this information would have been out

there. Yeah, at least a graphic novel. Come on. It seems like there were always defenders of like any game lare even if it's like you know, the Gears of War as a stupid ass story, and there are people that just like love the Gears of War lore. Sure, and I'm super surprised that no one is defending this. Like I put out a tweet over the weekend about Destiny's narrative just being super stupid, and not one person disagree, like normally any other games. I like the world they've created.

I like the idea. It's the story that, like the narrative stress the events, the events that the events that transpire in Destiny the video game are convoluted and like barely coherent. Also to that point, though, I'm not hearing anyone saying that this world is stupid, right, No, I mean I like that the aliens there's there's it's a nice looking thing, like conceptually at a top level, you're like, okay, well you know, I mean at his top level, it's like, well, humanity is up against

it and there are multiple alien races vying to take them out. But I love I love the idea that it's set in our solar system. Yeah, I think even that humanity has been beaten back to the last corner of Earth because like, yeah, there's neat stuff like at the top level because like how often in Star Trek do they ever go back to Earth? Like almost never, and when they do, it's awesome. Yeah, it's always fucking

crazy. Like my favorite mission, or one of my favorite missions of the First Mass Effect, which is weird to say because it was like a throwaway games, but it was awesome. You went to the Moon. You went fucking Moon and I was like, holy shit, I'm on the Moon.

Yeah, just like where are those astronauts walked that one time? Like like you don't get a lot of that in sci fi space games, you know, so to set the entire thing there, even if you know, even if they contrived, like oh, the Traveler just terraformed all the planets. That's why you're able to like grow farms on Venus now, Yeah, like it's all ultimately kind of similar terrain with different color schemes, but still the Venus. Yeah. The idea that you are on these familiar locations and stuff

like gives it a groundedness that I've found like really appealing and stuff. Before the game came out, I thought that it would all like I didn't have a good sense of like how everything fit together and all the art and everything in the vague sense of the story that I got was all very disjointed, and I thought it would kind of persist like that. But actually, like playing I don't know, maybe ten hours of it so far, it all

seems like a nice cohesive world that I like being in. It's just not much is happening in it, right, It's and that's that's the biggest problem. Is it like every character at every turn, Yeah, exactly where's your commander keys? Like, where's where's the just the bit part military player. Yeah, so they kind of throw a little hail Mary towards the end. I mean, I think you saw in the quick click where there is there are a couple cut scenes towards the end where a couple of characters they never

even name are introduced very briefly. But yeah, there's there's very little, like dramatic stuff going on. Every once in a while, there will be a mission that does something different than just run here and then scam something and then mission complete, like I just did one last night on Venus where you're storming this just giant alien ship and then I mean it's cool, like it's

it's a huge, like kind of set piece moment. And then at the end, you you fight like a very defined, like boss type character and it's it's more than night. That's slightly larger than the other nights. I know she didn't, I know, but it was like definitely, like this is the guy you're coming after. It's not just scan this thing and shoot waves until we tell you. It's like, it's like, here's a guy.

He needs to die. I felt like I was doing something like storm the ship, kill this dude, not just wait around until Peter Dinklin gets board. Sometimes they do give gravitas to a certain mission. It's like, oh man, this thing has not been around for millennia and you woke it up and then it's memories tilled you go to this place and this is a big deal. But like they just barely mentioned that. Yeah, and you're supposed to remember that, and they don't hammer at home, like like the

ghost isn't telling you multiple times why this is significant. Like like many things with Destiny, they sort of sort they're going in the right direction with it, they just don't go all the way. Yeah, you know, like it needed more of those side missions with the game with with missed opportunity at every single turn. Yeah, you know, like the it's combat, but

it's it's combat that is in service of kind of nothing. It's like these amazing environments that you end up like running through the same areas like too too many times per environment. Right, just spawned you in at different parts. Yeah, that you've done so much help not starting at the exact same spawn point every single time you hit him map. Yeah, that that that actually would have helped. There was there was another side mission I did on Venus

that similarly like gave you an objective. I think it's the one where you're trying to reclaim the academy. If that shocks somebody's memory, you you end up just going underground into this facility that's like been dark because nobody's been there for centuries or whatever. But it's a process of going in when it's dark and like turning the lights back on, and you know, you have to

fight ways of enemies that show up as you're doing this. But it's a it's a place that you only go for that one mission and then you never

see it again. And I was like that felt unique and it had some sense of history to it, you know, where you're saying, this is this old academy that has all this kind of stored knowledge you need to reclaim, you know, like giving some kind of like world based or fiction based like reason to do what you're doing and showing you something new like that went a long way after I had been doing the same mission, you know, three or four times in a row, even if it's silly, right and

like flimsy, there wasn't that much to it, but by comparison, it was like, this is like a revelation and like from a gameplay, like just a level design perspective, like when I got there the first time, I was like, oh, okay, there'll be some variety to this game. This one's kind of corny, but maybe they'll you know, maybe they'll

have some cooler other stuff. And then you get to the end of the game and realize, like, no, the Sword mission is the only one right right that has anything like large, like dramatically different that I just did that one. I was like, oh, this is great, neat change of pace. Yeah, I would take is there on Reel's part? Nope, Nope, to know like Halo type thing where you're like escape of blowing

up thing. I do think the last mission is sort of cool, Like visually, I won't say much more about it, like the final confrontation. Well, everything in the last twenty thirty minutes of that last mission looks different and interesting. There's some there's yeah, I'm but at the statistically there's some really great looking stuff. But the whole time I was there, I was like, how did I get here? And why am I here? And what is it I'm doing? Like yeah, it's just it's just also vague,

you know, like getting to Mars was. I think getting to Mars was when I finally gave up on that stuff because I was like, Okay, Mars is where it all began. It's where they found the Traveler. It's where they say I need to go to fix things, Like, surely I'll get here. There will be a cut scene, they're gonna fill some details in, and you get there and they just tell you to go off on a fetch quest without telling you why or what it is you need to

get. And also, by the way, here's this whole new faction called the Cabal that we've never introduced that are kind of the most interesting look rights in the entire game. And also Cabal implies some kind of organization behind these dudes, like who are they and what are they doing? But like they never even take two lines of dialogue to explain, like, Oh, these are the guys you're up against now right, here's why you're fighting them,

here's why they're extra bads. You need to fight the cabal. It's like, okay, well, yeah, it's yeah. It just it just feels disjointed, Like it seemed like there was so much there and it doesn't doesn't all get filled. It seems like a game that at some point they went like, we gotta ship this fucking thing. Start cutting. Maybe maybe it's hard to you know, speculate too much about that stuff, but yeah, but at the same time, yeah, I'm with you, Drew, Like

I like the way it plays so far much. I want to play more of it, but I'm thinking about it right now, want to go home and like just run something strikes Like, I'm kind of with you, you know, I think the combat in that game is interesting, and the weapons themselves are are are pretty good, but there's just such a little variety between them that that's kind of ruined it for me. It's like there are four primary weapons game and you end up with kind of you know, like they

s around the sliders on the weapons a little bit. Okay, well I'll end up with an auto rifle that isn't very stable, so it kicks up a little bit more. But it's either you get one that does or doesn't. And that's the machine guns kind of the same way. Either you get one that is accurate enough for you to do dirt with or one that's all over the place and you're like, well, fuck this thing. And you know, I didn't necessarily want to just use an auto rifle in that game.

I use those a lot in shooters and stuff, and you know, I thought the hand cannon was fine and all the other stuff, but the drops and the damage numbers dictated that I was going to be shooting an auto rifle for the large part of that game. I guess. I guess that means it's truly random, because I actually did not get a decent auto rifle until level nineteen. I'm I'm not saying that like that's that's everyone's experience, but I think it's just it's the case that I kind of no matter what,

like there are four weapons. Well that's what I'm saying, Like, yeah, like I did I couldn't use the auto rifles because I find what three secondaries? Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty happy with the amount of variation in the firing characteristics, and you know, between those and the unlockable kind

of secondary abilities, I felt that stuff was really really weak. Sometimes you'll once in a while you'll get something like I got I got a pulse rifle at one point that A was a blue and really powerful, but B had a thing where it took a big chunk off your grenade cool down with every kill. Yeah, so I was having greades available every twenty thirty seconds, throwing grenades like a month. I'm just maximizing grenade cool anything that has like

what is strength? No, yeah, discipline? Well yeah, I like, I see where you're coming from. But at a certain point, like you'll start sacrificing better damage on weapons to keep putting stuff into discipline. You know, Yeah, if you're fine with that, then that's fine. Yeah, you know, I guess, I guess it's cool that it allows for that. But yeah, if you were just a slave to the damage numbers, it does, you know, it does dictate how you play a lot

by just what you've got. I just didn't have I didn't have any characteristics that mattered enough for me to want to keep. Yeah, you know, at the end of it, like it was just sort of the you know, there's one gun I ended up with that is a pulse rifle that you get the unlockable stat of ken fire in full automotive, and that's on multip full pulse rifles. It's not just yeah, okay, I've got that now. That just got the first one that has that. That's something you can

toggle on and off. Nope, or it just becomes an auto rize. So it's not an auto rifle. It's it's basically multiple bursts, says you hold down the trigger. Yes, so it's still a burst rifle. It's just auto firing the bursts, which is not Actually it doesn't seem like that would help. So Yeah, So that that was the most dramatic, like this thing behaves differently, thing like that. That that one thing is probably

the closest they get to the like the borderland system flute. Yeah, where the guns and borderlands can be completely batshit crazy, right, And I guess I don't want them to go that far because I think they need to keep it grounded within their fiction. And that makes sense that you know, weapons fire a certain way because that's the most effective way for them to fire.

But it needs more than it has. Yeah, they need they need to find a middle ground on some of that stuff because like, oh, I reloaded the gun and well it vanished to cram one more bullet in the magazine this time, Like that's not barely meaningful. I got one that was like the bottom half of a magazine does more damage than the top, and I was like, that's cool, but like that just means the numbers go up.

That doesn't you know, there's nothing I don't feel it in the weapon, Like firing a weapon should be awesome, and they they have a good baseline experience for that stuff, but the upper tier and even you know, you go look at videos of people firing exotics and stuff like that, you're

just like, this is the same shit. Yeah, let's just a better and more accurate powerful It's not like you pull the trigger and like everyone around me knows that I have something fucking insane because listen to this thing or look at the bullets coming out of this like that's you know, if it goes back to the very first time that when I went to Bungee and they were

showing off the game. They are actually not showing off the game, but talking a lot about Paul McCartney. Like the story they told was like one of you know, and I've got my gun, and he walks up and sees that I have this gun. It goes, that's a cool gun. Where'd you get it? And we have a conversation about the gun. That's not possible because none of the guns fucking matter, Yeah, you know kind of. It's they they've failed to differentiate those weapons in a meaningful way.

Uh And and that's that's my problem with it, is because you're just you're just on a difficulty ramp and you're just equipping stuff to make sure the numbers stay in line with the raising damage and HP numbers of the enemies. And

then I got to twenty, I'm like, I don't know that. I'm yeah, you know, I still I still have friends playing the game, and I'll probably play with them some here and there for kicks and stuff, but like my own personal drive to get beyond level twenty and see this other content and stuff like that that they're rolling out, uh, like between the way they've built that content and kind of just like the the nature of that game, it's really not inspiring me to want to touch it ever. Again.

Sure, yeah, that's valid. It seems like a lot of people are going that way. Yeah, but a lot of other people are leaning towards you know, it's just it's a fun game to just kick back and play. And yeah, and but I'll probably do some of that, you know. We we've got a little time here before something else big and reviewee comes out, so like I'll kind of fiddle with it here and there and in my spare time maybe, But yeah, I don't know. It's it's

not necessarily going to do the daily story mission. No, probably not. It's it's it's just like, overall, I think that thing's just incredibly disappointing. Yeah, and that's that's something I think is separate from a review. You know, I don't think that's necessarily fair to weigh against the game.

But when you look at the expectations, and you look at the game they were talking about, and you look at kind of what what they were capable of in the past and all that stuff, everything that Bungee theoretically could bring to bear on a new ip on a on a first person shooter, on a something that is taking these online things that you know, Halo didn't necessarily

tap into. It just feels like they've bungled the vast majority of those in a way that you go like, well, you know, you could turn this around, whether it's with a second game or you know, I mean, obviously they're going to keep working on it and keep you know, making changes and making updates and stuff like, it's one of the things you look at and go, they could eventually get there. But in terms of just like I feel like, you know, I'm not even like a necessarily huge

Bungee fan, but I respect what they do. I respect the worlds they've created, I respect kind of how they approached that aspect of game development, and I feel like none of that shows here in a meaningful way. You know, their logo looks like Bungle exactly, yeahoo follow the money man. Well it's yeah, and it's just I don't know, like it just feels,

like I said, I missed opportunity all around. It was really interesting to me to see like the reactions to this, and maybe it's because you know the way they kind of didn't let people play it early for review purposes or something like people had already played a chunk of the game, so we kind of skipped the early part where people hadn't picked up their pre orders yet

and they were very angry that reviews were middling. But the reaction I've I've seen from this, like I was kind of expecting there to be you know, it's like there's a there's a an ardent, very diehard Bungee fan out there, you know, like those people exist, and you would expect them to kind of come out of the woodwork on something like this, and they're

not. And more than anything, I've gotten reactions from people that have been like very measured and saying like, well, I think I like this game more than you do, but I cannot disagree with anything you're saying about it pretty much where I'm at, like, yeah, I am, I am really really enjoying what I'm playing of It's probably it's one of my favorite games

of the year, just because I like playing what's there. Yeah. At the same time, especially coming out of the beta, like the beta was that revelatory moment of like now I know what this game is and you start filling your head with ideas of what it could be based on what you've already

seen. Well, I think I came out of the beta going like, boy, I hope the game is more than that, right, right, And then it kind of wasn't seeing that one Earth map and thinking like there must be a ton of these, you know, like you're gonna go to like every planet that is possible to walk on. There are eight planets, right, maybe not? You ask plenty of moons? Yes, yes, when you start throwing in like m that stuff that wouldn't help. No,

more would not be help. Well, more would help once you get to the end game and you need to keep grinding gear more with yeah, with with me, I mean yeah, it would take better gear. It would take like more care put into the story around them area that wouldn't They wouldn't totally fix what is lacking in the game. But like if they put out DLC and it's just like here's one new area and one new area is worth

of content? Yeah not enough. Yeah, there needs to be a like a I feel like there needs this game needs a direction change at this point to kind of put it on track, Like if they really want to be serious about this thing being the biggest thing going in video games and this huge tenure franchise, like all the other stuff that they' talked about, all of

this stuff that Activiss talked about. You think you hear the numbers get thrown around, whether they're true or not, for marketing or not marketing and sold in Yeah, sold in about you know, probably sold I'm so I'm sure it's selling out just fine too. Yeah, because it's it's running damn near on a post and it's not a bad game. There are just unfortunate and kind of bad things throughout it. Uh yeah, man, it is just a it is a mysterious game. Like I just I play through it and

just go like, well, how did this happen? Like how did this? How did this particular game come to be? Because you look at this stuff and go like, it's it's pretty apparent that like the story is barely existent and and you know, the mission design is is like highly repetitive and that sort of stuff. You just want what where did it all go? Yeah? Did they underestimate content generation on the new platforms later after we've done

the network code? Yeah? Maybe yeah, maybe maybe they spent so much time building the engine and throwing it all away and building the engine again that at some point it was like, we can make four of these and that's all we got time for. We'll hope for the best man. But I don't know, because I really like the game. But yeah, it's making me think of a bet, it's it's reminding me what I imagined it to be. I do too, I will, I will eat up whatever content

they put out. I mean, the deal is coming out soon. The first first one's in December, yeah, second February. I think, probably

don't have a lot of time to make adjustments there. But well, more to the point, they're putting out updates now, like they've been rolling out like mechanical and fixes and mechanical updates and fixes since like the day after launch for two days after and then they the first raid is up by the time you hear this, which is a six man thing at level twenty six, Yes, six man thing, which none of us probably will be seeing for

a while. Something to shoot for them. Yeah, So I mean, and they're doing their you know, they had a unique multiplayer mode that was only up over the weekend and has gone now, so more of that stuff will probably be having that that that mysterious vendor showed up for a couple of days and now he's gone. So you know things will be evolving and stuff. One more vendor that you can't buy stuff. Stop saying that awesome. Well it's uh, let's let's sit back and take a little a little break

and I'll say this ponder. As I was reviewing Destiny, at one point, I thought to myself, Man, I really wish I was playing Diablo three, something I could not imagine myself saying in twenty fourteen. Yeah about video games. Yeah, I was playing with a friend yesterday and we were just talking about, like, while we were playing Destiny, talking about just how much better that lute system and Diablo was. Diablo is just you feel

like you're making these huge steps forward at the right increments and everything. And at one point we were like, wait, why aren't we just fucking playing Diablo, Like, let's just play Diablo. So when you say that you play Destiny and it just makes you want to play Diablo, what would you say if I said it's the exact opposite for me, it makes you not want to play Diablo. Well, no, I'm not saying that, Like I would go sit down at Diablo right now and think, man, I

should just go play Destiny. But that's like a Destiny is the better playing more like immediately satisfying lute game for me right now, really like I enjoy I enjoy the act of killing stuff in Destiny more than I do and Diablo. That makes sense. I mean, there's it's a little more involved,

there's a little more blow gil I guess is the right word. I mean, I still have to aim and shoot something, you know, yeah, but I guess, like I think my thing there is that like it's the aiming is not difficult, like it's not head shot, not stop, but it's you know, it's fun to hit that jump boost and go flying over stuff and kind of get around corners, take a cover. You're worrying more about the level. What's that You're worrying more about the level of the monsters?

You mean the math layout? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, you're using the terrain, You're right, that's I mean, I think those are things that you are just different between a first person shooter, right a top Like if you stripped the loud out of both of these games, like the same would be true. It's it's more about having fun playing the game, you know, and some of that.

For me, that the best part in Destiny is is when you have a full game of people and you are just rushing forward fucking shit up like that is extremely fun and Destiny, yeah, that is. That is the best Definity has to off totally, like like playing the strikes on a high difficulty or whatever, like it's you know, to coordinate a little bit, it's

or just all shoot at the head. I mean it's it's like yes and no, right, I mean, I'm really I'm so curious to see how their raid uh stuff is designed, like yeah, because I wonder I would just wonder if it'll be dramatically different from what they've had so far, specifically because it's they're all six player, you know, so is it just gonna be six different people shooting the thing in the head? Like I want to see if the bosson counter stuff, because it's supposedly it's all new stuff.

It's not like bosses that you've already seen on a higher level or whatever. It's supposedly like entirely new levels and bosses and everything. But like I wonder if there's you know, it's not like this game has the Trinity or anything, but doesn't require six players. Yes, okay, yes, well I don't know that they would stop you from going in with less. But this

sounds like it's so fucking hard. But if everybody isn't properly geared and you don't have enough people like and it does not might as well but does not have match makes right, So you have to get people to go into friends. Does this game ever scale? No, well, I think based on your party or your level or I don't know about party. I know that, like you know, because you go into a mission and it says,

guessing these minions grow stronger. I don't think because every story mission and everything just says like or every mission before you select, it says, this is a level twenty two mission. Yeah, there's a level six mission. Okay, so I can as a level nine I can hang with the level ten mission by myself. Yes, yeah, totally. But if I brought more people in, it would be way easy. Yes, because it would be

the same mission. I believe, because I mean when you because you go into a mission, you can pick the difficulty level and if you bump it up. The wording to Heroic, The wording says there will be more enemies and they will be more aggressive. Okay, so I think that's how you make it harder. I don't think bringing extra people in it like automatically increases the number of monsters or whatever. But it's part of the part of this

feeling. Maybe that even the highest default difficulty in Diablo, I think is like piss easy. Uh yeah, that that being expert. I think it's what is a normal heart expert or what's there at the beginning. Yeah, like I was playing Expert. I got like around the end of act one, and like I think I I died to a nemesis once because those things are super hard, and I think I died once when I was kind of half paying attention to the game. But other than that, like it's just

kind of been a k wall. Yeah, it's not a different man, so like in that sense alone, Like I actually die in Destiny occasionally, and it's it's a little more demanding. At some point, I well, you know, I haven't been playing anything past level twenty that much, but at some point in Destiny I kind of stopped dying. Yeah, because it's just like you just get a good sense for like this is what I need

I need to back off. Sure, Well, I played through all of Mars on hard stand behind this truck like it because it got super easy. I got a little over leveled for stuff, and it was I put it on hard. For the rest of the game. I stayed pretty much underleveled for stuff, and I wasn't doing Like at one point I was like, oh, I was like two levels behind. I was like, well, I'll go gain one level in something else or a strike or whatever it was.

That's kind of the weird thing about being able to level in multiplayer and and you know, repeating strikes and stuff like that. You know, I like, I did the same strike with you know, two different groups of people. Yeah, I played a few matches multiplayer in there, and then all of a sudden I found myself like three levels above the recommended levels for the story missions I was on. Also, I don't I don't know how I feel about the multiplayer in that game. I keep trying to like it.

I tried at one time and got my Yes, that's the biggest problem with it. But I keep trying because my experience and other people's experience that I've talked to you so far is the best way to get the post level twenty gear that you need to keep leveling is to play the crucible stuff. Well, is there any balancing that's keeping like level twenty four twenty five guys

from being way overpowered most of the most flatin the damage. Okay, but I mean the building modes on Final so far, they haven't turned on any sort of Okay, well, I noticed there's one on the crucible screen that you can't select yet and on the far right option. Yeah, that's just is that that's not because somebody said there is a mode in there, the Key's Iron Brigade. It's the thing they turned on during the beta. I think they say it is keeping October. Yes, French Iron, Iron something

Iron whatever. There is a multiplayer mode that will take the level differences into account. So that's not. Everything that they've put out on Final has just

been flattened. Yeah. So I was playing the Xbox One version and I went and played some of that, and I was like level six and I was killing level twenty four guys Like that's not you know, and they don't have like their super advanced abilities or whatever they do, so they that is the sort of thing is like, you know, if you haven't, if you haven't unlocked like the melee attack or something like that, you know you

you won't have it, but like super charge thing or whatever. Yeah, but I don't think you can even get into the Crucible until you're of a of like level five or something. You don't have that stuff. Okay, yeah, yeah, you've got the basics, but you know, like your

weapon characteristics come in any any unique stuff on like reloads or effects. There are differences between the characters, but not in terms of just like but also like you know, like you're not invincible in that game, like you you know, at level twenty, you know, fighting level six monsters like they still do damage. They don't if you just stood there in front of them,

like they would kill you. It's not like wow, where all the level enemies just miss you or right, yeah you still take yeah yeah, but yeah, Drew, I'm with you. The first match I played at that game made me think I never wanted to play the Cruise again. Yeah, like I had the worst fucking experience I've been getting. I've been getting better at it, but it hasn't necessarily made me want to play more. Yeah, I'm kind of with you, Like I had the last couple of

matches I played. Uh, well, depends on which mode. Like I'm playing Control Control, it is very long forever Control Control is easily like a ten plus minute thing. I don't know what the timer is on it, but I want to say fifteen. But the the just the DEATHMATCHI ones are way shorter. But yeah, for me, Yeah, I've been getting a little bit better, you know, I have to start finishing more kind of

like middle of the scoreboard, let's post with the bottom. But the number of ways that you can get one shotted by things in that game fucking staggering. Yeah, like people's special ability shotguns, sniper rifles, fusion rifles, like certain grenades, Like it feels like there are so many like rocket launchers,

melee will kick the shit out melee if it's charged. Like there are so many ways you can round a corner and be killed in one hit by something that it becomes like you started, I started feeling helpless at a certain point. And yet you know, like if you're not using anything out of the ordinary, it still takes like a full mass from an auto rifle right into someone's head to kill them. So that's where it broke down for me

was I went in like I really liked pulse rifles. I was getting a lot of good ones in the in the story stuff, so that's just happened to be what I was using. And it's yeah, it was like damn near impossible to kill anybody who was moving around properly because if you miss, like one burst on that thing, you have to reload and then they kill you. It's a weird thing because the weapons that are good or the most fun on the PV side maybe are not the best for killing people in multiplayer.

Yeah, I found myself only really having success with the auto rifle. Auto rifle by far has been the easiest to kill people with. For me. The Scott rifle is okay because it kind of reminds me of like the DMR or the battle rifle. Yeah it feels just like that stuff. But yeah, like it leads you keeping one of every type of weapon in your inventory, even if they're like like I went, like I said, I

went levels and levels without a good auto rifle in story. I didn't find a green shotgun until I was like level ninth, right, But you still hang on to that stuff because you need it for a multiplayer because some weapons are just inherently easier to use there. It's a weird system, ye, having the gear sort of come in and sort of not. But like I said, I've been getting like, after six or eight matches of the of

the Crucible, I've gotten enough gear to almost be level twenty one. So yeah, so Drew, you don't feel like the Halo multiplayer has trained you for for this? Does it feel different enough to where it it's not h Well, yeah, my my experience would indicate that I think I'm pretty good at controlling it and moving around the map and stuff, because do you think it feels the same. It feels like Halo to me. Yeah. The movement not exactly the same, though very similar. The jumps are similar,

the you know, does not feel like I did. But I think maybe you just have to play it differently from Halo. Uh, you know, maybe not rely so much on guns because Halo was all about guns and the map size is pretty Yeah, yeah, that much. I don't feel like there are nearly as many open spaces as there weren't Halo. That's true. It's a lot more alleyways and hallways and lots of things extract obstructing line of sight, right and stuff like that. Yeah, it just feels balanced differently.

Like you said, you know, like you can't use your side arm type stuff as much because you'll just get wasted by whatever power they have charged up at the moment. Right. So yeah, the tactical decisions you're making, yeah, if you still have like holdover from Halo are going to be incorrect. See, you just have to think retrain yourself. It seems a lot I'm it seems a lot more based on burst damage and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean that's it's not like you can't get better at it

if you right put enough time into it. But if you want to put enough time into it is probably the big question for most people. Yeah, but anyway, Yeah, it'd be interesting to check back in with that game every couple of weeks see what if anything they've added or changed. I guess, like, you know, it seems like their their rollout plan has been like they kind of said, hey, this is coming to September, this is coming October. Yeah, but it's like it's a playlist for competitive multiplayers.

It's not that different, you know, like some of it is more important than others. They put it at raid is obviously right. Yeah, they put out an event schedule. It was like four events in September. It was that Salvage mode that came and went, which I played a little bit of that, The Raids coming out this week, and there's two more things in September, and they didn't have descriptions on those, but they had different icons. One of them had a yellow icon, the other one had

a red icon, which is probably more crucible. Yeah, but I don't know what the other thing was. There was a Queen of something was what they called, right, that's the she's a character. Yeah, yeah, she's in one of the cut scenes, but I don't know what that would be game wise anyway. Yeah, curious see how they take all the feedback into effect. You know, there is a really strong foundation there if they, you know, take it where it needs to go. Yeah, So

it was that. That was pretty much your week for games. Yeah. Yeah. I ended up devoting a ton of time to that, and then I was out of town over the weekend and so I didn't really get too much time to play much else. Cool. How's your deck? It's good. I got a super rare pro Cody Rhodes that I'm now leveling up mustache Cody Roads face mask. Yeah, wow, mustache. So I'm leveling him

up. And then I have two super rare Vince mcmah I'm sorry, mister McMahon's, and I thought, what the card says, Yes, mister mister mcmon is the character if Vince McMahon is the man. Okay, yeah, wait are you saying, like when he's in the ring, he goes by mister McMahon. When he's on TV, like when he is said on Raw, he is mister McMahon. When he's sitting in on like Investor, you

know, stock shoulder things, that's Vince mcmay. Yeah. Is that just a show of respect by the other wrestlers, No, that's that's him branding his character. But that's how he's he's seen as respected by all the wrestlers because he's the guy. Usually they call him Vince because he's you know, they still will call him Vince okay, but authoritatively, the character trademark is mister mcmackons. The walk is so good. It is so good when it

was the last time he actually wrestled, though, see him punk. I want to say probably about two two and a half years ago. Wait, isn't he old VNS? Yeah? Yeah, it's like seventy what or sixty nine? Actually? Yeah, what's wrestling in his late sixties And it was a fun match on that dude's cut man. Yeah, just kick your fucking ass. That's scary. I don't want to run you too. I don't want to meet He was very pleasant when I met him. He was super

nice when I met him. Yeah, all right, he held the elevator door open for me. All right. So the dumb thing with the cards in that game is like you have to feed other cards to your cards. So I'm getting mostly junk cards from winning exhibition matches, and those go to feed these cards. It's a little perverse. I think they're training. You're

training is the term. Mister McMahon just munched on cards. Yeah. So I have to level up both of those mister McMahon's to their maximum level before I can combine them, and then I must level up the combined card all over again to get the maximum stats out of it. I can combine them at any time, but it would have a lower theoretical maximum. It would be a less useful card. We're past the point of less useful cards. My eyes are blazing over It's stupid, though, No, it's not fun.

It's you know, I was in an airport for an hour of this morning, you know, like it's I suddenly feel way less of a sucker being into the destiny Luke Grind. It's I mean, yeah, like it's not you know, you're you're you know, at the end of a match, you get to pick two cards at random, and they're usually just garbage that you're just then going and clicking to make Cody Roads eat them. And yeah, it's it's something to do when you're waiting for the thing you want

to be doing to be ready for you to do. You know. It's not like I'm not sitting here going like this is a hot video game. It's like, this is a really shitty part of this airport. They confiscated my face soaked because it was over three ounces. What a bunch of dicks. Guess all feed this Heath Slater to Natalia because that needs to be a

higher level card. It's yeah, it's it's it's barely a game, but if you need if you have an incessant need to click on things, and a lot of people when you're getting increasingly fed up with Twitter for just being like a waste of fucking time. This is a waste of time that at

least isn't like actively fucking abusing you as you use it. Uh, well, maybe I shouldn't go that far, because it is asking you to spend money, or it is saying like, hey man, why don't you give us twenty five bucks and you could buy up really high end card one card. That's that's a lot for one card. It is a lot. That's a lot of money for one card. Is a lot for one card.

A pack of six cards that are lower tier than the one you would be guaranteed to get it for twenty if you get an entire character makeover in five Doda for like ten bucks more than that, that's yeah, but does do those? Is that on a card that when you rotate you tilt your phone, the guy on the card moves a little bit. No? Yeah, well then just looks like garbage to me? Is ww Supercard a better game than Doda too? Yeah? Yeah, that doesn't work on me. It's

freer, right, it's freeing. It's it's better than actual wrestling, because that's so fucking bad. I have two Alberto del Rio's in my deck. He's not even with the company. It's chaos. So the message remains for another week. Don't don't play that. Don't play that fucking thing, all right, you know the game whose name I've already forgotten, But like, you know, you could do a lot worse than to throw your lot in with w W Supercard. Alright, it's a ringing endorsement, a ringing endorsement

of like, you probably don't play it, but I don't know. Do you like to watch numbers go higher? Sometimes it's better at destiny than that. You could just do that. Yeah, I tap that and started the stop watching and watch it. Okay, where's our where's our mobile port of progress question? Yeah? Exactly. Why doesn't that happened to yet? So that I had that moment this morning, I was just like, I'm just basically playing like a different type of progress quest where I'm just tapping on these

wrestlers. Then the cards dance around and I'm skipping all that shit because who fucking cares? There should be an auto skip for that stuff. Just let me grind at the goddamn cards. How is there not like the animation you have the tech past, all the stuff, oh like fire Emblem and Advanced Wars. I always turn off the like battle animations. Just show me if I want or not. Just hit the numbers against the other numbers and tell me which one was bigger. The other thing they do is it's the best

out of three. You go through three matches with your deck or whatever, and even if you win the first two, it still makes you do the third, Yeah, which is really stupid, you know, because you've you've already won. But I think at some point they're like, well, you would get cards too fast if this was all as fast as possible, and maybe that would so let's make it more of a pain in the ass.

Yeah, that's that's my guess is they said like, let's make it more of a pain in the ass, and they've succeeded that things are pain in the ass. Well done. Two k. Yeah, if you've got an hour to kill and you literally have nothing better to do, it's a great way to get rid of an hour. I get right on that. So

is drinking. I should point out, Oh yeah, if you need to make an hour disappear, yeah, or several several Yeah, actually, you know, it could be tricky if you just need to make one hour disappear, drinking might not be the thing for Keep turning up the bottle until there's nothing in it. Yeah, keep tapping the bottle could be fine until it until it appears to be empty. Oh man for scandling, brad, Hi, did you plent anything besides destiny? Oh face forever? How's that going?

It's good? Yeah? I got the daily challenge for el Rock. Okay, I'll complete. Does that mean that you now own that character? No? I just got a I got a currency bonus for completing or for winning five matches with l Rock, who was free last week. Have you put any money into it? Nope? Do you take I'm not going to. You're not gonna become one of the converted. No. I kind of like just uh doing the daily challenges and getting the currency and then spending that

currency on characters. Okay, that's kind of my trajectory. Okay, So as as the free characters have been cycling through, I'm determining which ones I like, which ones I don't. I really liked out Rock, so I might buy him because I have enough currency to do so. Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about that it's the league model where where the you're earning currency that you might actually spend on something you need. Right, yeah, as

opposed to you know, I'm not hats. Yeah. Well more to the point, you don't have to buy characters, so hats for your swords. The sword needs a hat on it, it does, man. Yeah, sword is extremely red. Hey two dollars for it. I feel good about myself. Yep, all right, Well do you ever want to hunt? I'm always there, I know, although I've barely played since. I played enough to get through our last recreational match in the last weekend. That is

its destiny, NonStop siren call. So video games are back. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Did that? I uh had people over for football watching, made some carnetdas to put on nachos, dual layer nachos. Who were you watching? I watched a little bit of the Raiders okay game, but then the main game, but everybody came up before was Niners okay, Bears. Oh the Bears win. I saw Patrick getting getting very sucked. I saw Patrick getting very excited on Twitter. Yeah, it's a race to

the bottom. See, it didn't even suck, didn't even suck because the Niners lost. It was just a bad game to bad game. Yeah, it happens. I think the Niners got like one hundred and eighteen yards and penalties against them, so like the Bears didn't win, it would be shocking. Yeah, it was football, but the Natos were good good. I also went to a whiskey tasting almost by accident, Saint George's and Alameda Awesome. Their warehouse or that they do all they're distilling in and the tasting is

at is on a well. Most of Alameda is a decommissioned naval base, so it takes place in an airplane hangar. Uh So it's all the whiskey that they're making. Yeah, okay, Yeah, did you make sure with coke? No? Okay, it's a bad way to taste the whiskey, you monster a good way to taste the coke. What do they make? They make so there. Their most popular brand was Hanger One vodka vodka right, Yeah, it wakes a lot of sense because it was made in a

hanger was made in Hanger one. Yeah, I've heard great things about that vodka. Yeah, I've heard of the vodka. They do a lot of infusions, so like you can get. But so they they sold that brand like four years ago to some other company, but we're still making it for them. But that contract has since expired, so now they are no longer making Hanger one. They're all just making their own weird stuff. So they come out with a single malt whiskey every once in a while, and it's

they don't make very many bottles. It's not very expensive, but it's super rare. Is it a Scotch style whiskey? I don't know what single malt implies. I'm not sure it means it's from one batch, not multiple batches. A blend. Yeah, okay, so it could be any style, right, Okay, So I got on the list to get a bottle, two bottles actually, uh, and I went over there to pick one up, and I went my buddy Wayne, who was buying one of the bottles

off of me, and then we were there there. Uh, we were there, and they were like we wanted to tasting, and it's just sort of you just walk in there and pay fifteen bucks and they give you a quarter ounce of like five or six different uh things that they make. Okay, so we get, oh gosh, what do we do two different kinds of gin, which were really tasty. I like gin, but like it's it's different. It's like super tasty gin. It's not it's not just gin.

No no no, it's not your typical like Christmas tree in a bottle. No no, what else? A a pear brandy And it's cool because like you you walk out there, you can you can see pass a tasting room like there they're stills and stuff and they're he's gorgeous like brass uh monstrosities. Uh. But out in front of those worth forty three thousand pounds of pears in cardboard box smell is incredible. Pas It said something like forty pounds

of pears go into each bottle of pear brandy. I should have them come by and take the pears off of the pear trees I have because pear it's it's like you buy it into it. You go, man, this isn't an apple. Yeah, it's better, no, softer, it tastes better. It's mushier and gross. I mean, a fucking apple would be like this pear nitro. It's like a nitro pear. That's what an apple is about. Extreme pears. Juicy bear jelly bellies. It's one of the best

ones. That's pretty good. Jelly beans are gross. What are you saying jelly bellies are gross? Yeah, they're all kind of they're just it's that kind of chewy food. Is just like I don't like gummy food jelly because starbursts and jelly beans that's all the best. But the starburst is all right. Hang on, we were talking about fruit, yeah, and now we're talking about fruit flavored candy. Do you actually like pears or do you just like the taste of pear. I like the taste of juicy pear of jelly

bellies. I have eaten pears when I was a child, and I remember liking them. Okay, you've at least eaten real pears before. Yeah. Yeah, I like said like ninety seconds ago that you like pears, and I took it at face value. If you're handing up there right now, I would eat it and do it, Okay, all right, but mostly you get a pass them. They're disgusting. That's ridiculous. Pear brandy, pear brandy coffee liqueur. Okay, that is so, I don't remember the

mix of stuff. No, no, no, no, that's any one of these things is fine on its own, but going from gin to pear brandy to coffee liqueur or whatever else, you should have just like had them set it all up and then just went all right, and then taking like a paper cup porto and then just chuck like, thanks guys. It's a great way to make you know, what's really fun is when you make friends enough with certain like a bartender, that you just hang out when the bar

is empty and just have them fuck around and make stuff. Yeah, and come up with dumb names for it. Uh. They had a spiced pear liqueur which just tasted like Christmas was awesome. Uh, their absence, which I had had before, which is pretty tasty. And finally the their rum. So apparently I like rum, but apparently most rum is made from molasses,

which is in turn derived from sugar cane. H But I think they start the process when they're doing the rum with molasses itself, hanger, Or think George's takes the sugar cane while it's still kind of green and then makes it from that makes the rum from that sugar cane. So what ends up happening is your rum. It's white. Yeah, Uh, it tastes exactly like a dirty martini. What Yeah, how does that work? I have no idea, but I love dirty martinis. Yeah, that's a very salty

thing. Yeah. Uh, it's really strange. I'm not Yeah, I don't understand that process. It was really good. But I need to go to this place that sounds awesome. Yeah, it's great. And it's over over the bay in Alameda, all right. Yeah, those Chevy's there, they got everything. Dah Pinball Museum, wow, which I've not been to. Yeah, yeah, that was that was fun, excellent nuclear wessels Daniel. Yeah, so Drew drank and an airplane hanger. I drank on a

battleship all day on Saturday. Which battleship? Would this be the USS? Jeremiah? Okay, somebody said it was a cargo ship, but it had a big ass turret on it, and battleship sounds cooler. So yeah, I mean it's a ship if outfitted for battle. Yeah. Yeah, it was called Bruise on the Bay. I guess it was like the eleventh time

they've done it, and it's great. You buy like one fifty five dollars ticket and then from twelve to five you just walk around on this battle ship and you have a cup and there's a billion brewers there and there's no line and you just say, hey, give me that, and you point to a thing and you just get the beer. It's no extra cost or anything. They had food trucks going to buy this so good. I should have gone to that. Oh my god. It was awesome, absolutely loved.

And Pedaluma they have a chili cook off. But then also a bunch of local brewers show up too, and you can kind of just yeah, just kind of drink that sounds even better. That sounds really good, and you can walk around and go, yes, I would like to tast your chili. I don't know if it's any good or not, and then get a bunch of people's chili and then go now, let's go outside to where the beer area is and then let's walk back inside and get more chili. Wait

a minute, we need more beer. That sounds great. Kansas they do there with barbecue La Barbecue Battle where they have all like midwestern yea barbecue thing. Might that might be the best sounding thing yet. So there was like a ton of people set up on a boat just with beers. Yeah, it was a truck yeah, boat drinks. Yeah, drink it on a ship. It was just super cool. Yeah, definition those are boat drinks. Yep, those are boat drinks. I spoke to I spoke to younger

Dwyer about this event. Yeah, he said. So the cup I'm trying to remember how big he should it was. It was like it's maybe half a normal old cup. So could you go out to a brewer and like have him fill it and just like chug it and ask for another one? I can say with certainty that yes, you can't do that, all right, especially when there's only an hour left and you want to drink a lot more beer. Okay, you can definitely do that. I'll try that green

one. I'm going to that thing next year. Oh you should. It was. It was fantastic. Yeah, that sounds fun yep. Outside of that, I tried for a long time to not buy Rogue Legacy on PS four because I played a bunch of it on PC. I'd already played a ton of it. I was like, I do I really want to spend seventeen bucks? And then I was like, well, I'm starting to get some actually use out of my vida lately. I got the sixty four gig cards, so now I can just load up whatever I want and it's awesome.

So I put Rogue Legacy on there, and the cross save is awesome, and like playing with the PS four controllers grade and I just I love that game so much. And it's the first game in a long time time that really hits that sweet spot of like you say you're going to do one more and then fast forward four hours and you're still playing because you kind of get you've played it right. Oh yeah, you get in this loop to where it's like, Okay, I'm gonna quit playing and go to bed once

I have one good run. I'll have a good run and then I'm done. And then you do a good run and it's like I got like three thousand gold out of that run, Like I gotta go back in and see what I can buy with that. And then you're back in the game and it's like, okay, well, next you, good run, I'll do it, and then you get a bunch of golds. I got to do that. So I just would do that like thirty times in a row before I went to bed, and uh yeah, with the cross safe stuff,

it's great on Vita. It's that's just a fantastic game, and I'm glad I bought it. The game. It's probably the best version of that game. Yeah, if you never played it before, that is definitely the one to good. Yeah, but just easily when my favorite games the year, so mainly that Destiny, a little bit of Time Force, it's been the bulk of it. Yeah, yeah, excellent. Well, like I said, it's pretty much been old Destiny all the time for me, So let's

not talking about Destiny anymore. Cool unless it takes this lie top forever to wake up, it didn't. Wait, it's four guns, four four guns, four guns, infinite variations. No, no, something is that not convincing? No, not even a little bit. Man. Oh, the coolest part about Saint George's as they have the old squadron insignia still up in the Do you have to do? You pay like an entrance fee? Yeah, fifteen bucks to go in. No, not to go in. Just

you just if you just wanted you just see the place. If you happen to be in Alamaa, which is why would you? Why are you an alimated? Where is that? Maybe you live there? It's across the bay. Oh okay, it's not Alimated is not an actual wait yeah, oh yeah, Alimated Island. I was actually looking I lived there, actually, I don't think when I was first it kind of is it's like a landfill. I thought it was a like archpelago or something maybe, but it's it's

hard to tell because there was a big navy base or something there. For like the whole like west part of the island is all like this old abandoned thing. Its aircraft carrier. I wouldn't. I mean, the ship already sailed, gets a ship. But uh no, I don't get it. What are you talking about. I mean he already crossed this point where it's no longer an option, got it, that's what that means across the rubicon. Yes, okay, I mean you already you know, you're already living

somewhere else. But I would not recommend living there. Your first time here, it looked like it's just a hell of a Communey. Yeah, it's just very isolated. You wouldn't get much San Francisco living out there. That's back when I thought I would drive. But I just saw my car this weekend, so that's not going to be an option number free. It's great, not having a car. I love that first time since I was fourteen fucking parking tickets anymore. Yeah yeah, and I was never using the damn

thing anyway. So this is great realizing your car got towed and now you're five hundred dollars poor yep, and having my roommate. All right, let's talk about the news alright, of which there isn't much, okay, but there's one one news, one piece of news. There's one news one two point five billion dollars the cost of a well, I didn't tell you what I'm selling. I don't give a fuck like you give me two a half billion. You have whatever you want, two point five billion dollars my dignity.

You got it. You're left arm stealth bomber, Sure you do it. Maybe you can afford a robot, yeah exactly, you're left wint well, you're left handed, left handed fuck it still alright, a lot of money. I don't know. I would think about it. I do it. It would depend on how much of how cool robot arms are and how much there you go. Oh, he doesn't know half about anymore. Coming spoilers though. How about Minecraft? How about Minecraft? I think I would

sell you Minecraft for two and halfllion dollars. Yeah. I think that's the price of a stealth bomber, is it really? Yeah, one stealth bomber like a B two or well you know how expensive those washers are. Yes, and like it's and that's what he's gonna do with the money. Yeah, go buy a stealth bomber, fly around the world so nobody can track

him. Yeah, him about mine and tweeted him their petty concerns about Minecraft case of nuclear war, which is especially weird because Nach hasn't even been making Minecraft for like two or three years now. Is he still making that weird space game where he reprograms whatever? He killed that? Yeah, that was shelved doing actively working on it, being really ride Minecraft to Microsoft and then saying fuck it, get my own boat. He's been doing all kinds of

weird stuff. I was saying, one really big hat, that's what I want, Like a mountain sized hat, like the world's biggest hat ever. And then he lives inside the hat. I would form a like a hat palace. Yeah. Yeah, he's got enough of a hat mercenary army. Yeah. Lately he's been streaming himself attempting to recreate Doom in some other language or some other development environment. Yeah, which recently led to the John Carmacks

tweet of the week. Oh John Carmacks tweet where I saw them they were having exchange on Twitter, where like Notch seems like slightly dour kind of guy, like his online persona. I feel like it's very serious, maybe as

a result of all the shit he gets over the game or whatever. But I felt like he was just like very excitedly tweeting at John Carmack because a bug that existed in the original Doom also existed in his recreation of it, because he'd like used the same techniques for It's not like he was copying source, he's recoded, he's redoing himself, but like he had used the same whatever technique it was to to to the level of precision that the certain bug

showed up, and like CarMax seems super impressed, So I thought that was funny. Anyway, Notch's exited the building, as have the other two founders of mojaying. Yeah, Microsoft taking soul ownership two point five billion dollars five billion dollars. So it's assumed that the people that were actually developing Minecraft that were not those founders would stay the end continue working on Yeah, I think so. One of the one of the other Mojen guys wrote a little bl

I post about the acquisition. Yeah, and they said, you know, yeah, we haven't hashed out exactly who's going to continue and who's not, right again notching the other two. Yes, I had the conversation, Okay, we'd like to hear it. Yeah, I want to hear the actual it's it's tweet of the week, not paraphrase. Conversation of the week. Marcus Presson person person person. So, I think I finally figured out how doom rendered sprites. This is going to be painful to reproducing web gl without

clipping them on CPGL. That's what it was. John Carmack, I can't remember my John Karmick voice, just you know, whatever comes to mind. Verticals fan rendering was good for CPU, but all GPU implementations converted to alpha tested textures. Yeah, Marcus person. I ended up making a x x normal slash distance shape and near slash far shader for segs and comparing in the sprite shader. Of course. Uh. John Karmack says, this is like

serious any stimulation faithful bugs. I never had so much reverence. I never had much reverence from my old code. Usually happy to diverge and then it goes on. Yes, all right, it's like those emulators you know where you're Yeah, yeah, what do you call the cycle cycle accurate or whatever? Yeah, it's like reproducing the bugs and weird ship. This would happen on the real thing, right, Yeah, some emulators get too good.

Yep, in a way, are you know, preserving the sprite flicker and the slowdown and games and stuff like like when I did like Mega Man nine and ten on virtual consoles, sort of like that you turn on the slowdown, excepted in this case as a result of math and not like trying to appeal to people's nostalgia. This kind of makes sense. I don't remember the details. In the originalists Karmac, later versions clip sprites into each In later

versions clip sprites into each subsector and drew everything back to front. Original doom avoided to overdraw at all costs, but as levels got more complex at same screen, rez became better to do. Painters al goo I believe that's short for algorithm. Sure, I don't know if I don't know if this conversation is why this was going around. But there's an anime to get floating around

right now of how Doom draws a scene like you can. It's just a real fast animation of like it draws all the faces of the map in in the order that it does and then lays the sprice in the UI over. It's kind of cool to see anyway. Microsoft, now one's Minecraft, Yeah, Mine, Minecrowsoft, Yep, yep, sure, minecrafts aft on one more time, my Craft, Mike, Microcraft, okay anything, No, damn it, No, none of those long term strategy. What do you

think? I think that they continue to sell Minecraft. I think they maybe prioritize updates on non competitive platform you know, so PC and Mac continue unabated, you know, mobile like whatever. Maybe Sony updates get a little slower slower, but maybe not. I don't know, Like they've like Phil Spencer already got out there saying like, yeah, we have no plans to just continue the game on any other platforms, right He even used the word PlayStation.

Whoa But you know four J did the work on both those, so it's like at some point why not just have them continue to do those all the code, those console versions and keep them in sync if you can't. And my understanding is they sell plenty of those skins, yeah, that they put out right, so like there is reason to you know, support those things and keep making that money. Right. And also I think that, you know, you end up in a situation where, like, you know,

Minecraft as a brand, it's absurdly huge. Is so huge, yea, it is so huge, it you know, it's it's easy to forget that, like, you know that stuff like that and stuff like Angry Birds like matter on a scale that we have seen we don't or we don't see very often in this business. And it's easy to write those things off because they're not necessarily for the same people that are playing Call of Duty, your you know, all the other stuff that we think of as as console games.

But like they are pac Man like in their nature. You know, Minecraft is huge, even more pervasive perhaps, you know, I think nothing is more pervasive than pac Man. They wrote a goddamn song about Oh I suppose that's true. He had a serial, didn't he. Yeah, they Saturday Morning cartoons. They are a Minecraft serial yet not yet. Fuck that Microsoft would be a company that would be in an even greater position to exploit the mine ip across licensing and stuff like that. Like they've done the Lego

style sets. You know that there are figures and all the other stuff that are out there for Minecraft. Yeah, yeah, there could be more. Oh you know, yeah you read about you know, like oh, than somebody's your friend through their kid a Minecraft birthday party, or I made you a Minecraft cake yeah, or it's like this kid asked for money to spend

on Minecraft server rentals instead of any other video game for his birthday. I mean, yeah, it is. It is a bona fide phenomenon for a certain generation and still is, you know, it's it's it feels like Minecraft kind of came and went with a lot of people like our age. Yeah, Like there was talk about right Minecraft cool, talk about like not being for people who play Call of Duty. Like I feel like those are the people that I heard about the game from first, you know, like people

that we know our peers. I mean I like a right, I like both of them. But then it but then it like took root with like a younger generation in a much in a much more like fundamental way as opposed to like here is this interesting cross platform thing that lets you build stuff. You know, It's like, here is this like endless world of possibility and creation that is coming to define video games for people who have never right like

really played them before. You know. It's like this is the first thing that you really have experience with and it's all you care to play. Yeah, And and along the way, it's making all these other games with their set content and set were olds look like state and seems totally totally like irrelevant

or archaic. Yes, at a certain point, and I don't think that's the case either, you know, but from you could see from that perspective of someone going like, well, you know, I got way into Minecraft as a kid, and all those people are going to grow up to develop games that are very unlike the things that we see it at sure, and they are all of them, I guess, And like the words that decided to get into game development, right and like the word Minecraft will probably always

stir like some pretty deep like nostalgic feelings of fondness for those kids. Yeah, even if they grow up like the A lot of the people drawing parallels to Lego, like to Minecraft as the new Lego. I feel like that. I feel like that's a convincing argument to me. I guess so, I don't know, I think that's like sad on a level because you're replacing

physical, real things. Yeah, I know what you mean, But I guess more in the sense that like Lego is no longer just a thing, It's an institution, you know, sure, like it is an enduring brand that manifests in so many different ways, Like They've got there's a movie kind of well, Disney is more like character driven and like they make certain type products, but like like it was all over the place. You know, it started out as a toy, whether it was a physical toy or a

digital one. Yeah. I think if I had a kid, I can't think of any series or game that I would more prefer him or her to be into. I mean, there's absolutely nothing objectionable for kids at all. It's just pure creativity. Yeah, you know, like I would, I would be thrilled if my kid was one of them that, you know, was just making amazing creation. You know. I think you end up there's a dark side to that though, with that game being online and so many

people getting on shared servers and building together and stuff. I'd be plugging all the tables twenty five. It's smart smart, yeah, yeah, in terms of the people they might meet doing that stuff, and also like the you know, the potentially exploitative nature of the stuff that happened with server mods and stuff, yeah a little while back, you know, and people charging for that kind of thing, because you know what can happen when the credit card

falls into the wrong hands. Yeah, young impressionable hands. Yeah, but sign up for giant bombre but yeah, you know, like a like people that are questioning, like what the strategy was behinds move or whether it was really worth that much money, Like I'd feel like, are not really grasping

the full scope of the cultural significance. Yeah. It's one of the things where it's easy to look at Minecraft now from like the inside looking out or whatever or you know, whatever we whatever, wherever we are, and you go like, oh, Minecraft's done, Like that was like years ago. It was like no, like Minecraft is still very very much now. Uh And in a mainstream sense, Yeah, And I think that meant that makes

it makes sense for them to pick it up. The amount of money, how they make that back, Like you know, I don't I don't necessarily know about that, but I think you think they ever go to a Minecraft too. I don't know. I mean, you know, can you do that? Absolutely? Yeah? I mean why why would you? You know, there are things you know obviously you could what if you made the blocks

smaller and the fidelity of the worlds thus became greater. I mean, you know, there's like maybe that's not an improvement, but it's a change you can make that would you could sell a sequel on that con I guess when I say can you do that, I mean like, I mean more like his Minecraft as a concept, more singular than something that you can just iterate with a numbered sequel, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I think that it's you know, like there's no lego to by comparison,

there's no sequel to that. I think you spend it out in another way to think of it as more like, we've made changes to Minecraft that are now so sweeping that it is no longer compatible, and thus we have had to make a Minecraft two point zero or Minecraft two or whatever you end up calling it. I think that would be I could see that happening, I guess, But I think you know, it makes sense for their existing user base and everything if they just keep expanding on what we've got, but you

know there are limitations that come with that. Sure, Yeah, it just it would it would just indicate kind of a crass attitude towards the game itself to just immediately turn around and like here's a sequel and then, like, you know, eighteen months later, here's Minecraft three. Yeah, that would be shit. I would assume. I would hope they're not going to go that route. Yeah, but you know, I think of it more of a as a service, yeah, than as a product individual product. Yeah.

Do you guys read the personal note that Nach put up about it? Yeah? I did, Yeah, Yeah, and it's it's largely what I thought he would say about it. You know. It was very much just like a look, I've not been working on this thing for a while, you know, like you think, you know, you think about ten XC, like he was working on that that kind of got shelved. Like Scrolls wasn't exactly burning up the world. It wasn't like he was out there making

Minecraft level hits. Also ran into that legal trouble around Scrolls because all of a sudden he was a big target because he was making all that money, right, and you know, I has just endured, you know, as kind of the face of this thing has obviously reaps huge benefits monetary and otherwise, and you know, the fame and the stuff that comes with that isn't

all positive. So you know, I can't blame him, Like I guess, like as soon as those rumors got to a point where it's like, oh, this actually is going to happen, like I kind of said, I think I might have turned to you and said, I bet there's no pretension clause and out, yeah and done with this ship after after reading what

he wrote, that makes total sense. Yep, Like I don't know if maybe I didn't know enough about him as a person, but and like it's it's easy to look at something like this and like your gut reaction is like oboo, who you just made a hundreds of millions of dollars or he has been for some time, right, Like, yeah, I'm sure it's very tough, but like you know, on on kind of a human level, like being in that kind of spotlight for that long, if you're not the

type of person who can handle that, and a lot of people can't, Yeah, like it could be very difficult. It can be a very negative thing. You know. It's like the world is not all about how much money you have made. You can see one if you have made that much, right, Like you know he's said in there, like I'll go back to dabbling with like game jam type stuff and making whatever I think of, but like if it gives the impression of becoming the successful again, I will

probably abandon it immediately. Yeah, Like it seems like he's just gonna go desert Island it somewhere at this point. Yeah, that's that. I think that makes sense, you know. And and Minecraft is so big, it's so much bigger than him. Are any of the people that have been working on it now that you know? Why not? Yeah, you know, Microsoft is in a position to make that spend and uh, you know, as someone who doesn't necessarily play Minecraft and doesn't have a big affinity for it,

I'm kind of just interested to see what they end up doing. As kind of like the you know, Stewards or you know of this thing. It was just like how are you how are you going to do right by these millions of people. It's like it's not even just what happens in the core game, it's like what happens to mine con Does that happen again? You know, do you start getting intother media with it? Yeah? Like where's the Minecraft movie? Like, I'm sure that there's some sucker idiot out

there that wants to like option the film rights for that thing. If they haven't already, Sure make a fucking Minecraft movie, because I'd be stupid. You know what's insane. If you look on like the Kindle store, there's all these like independently made Minecraft novels and they will be at like number one, like I think, like the number one selling kindall item of like last year. I want to say, is a Minecraft like then licensed unofficial?

And I've looked into this stuff a lot, and it's like some of these things are like thirty three pages and I mean huge font and stuff, and you look through it and it's just it's just nonsense. I mean it's something that was just clearly thrown together and you know, based on some like Minecraft lore or whatever. God, I forget what the guy's name is. There's some sta No, there's like some I can't remember, just a google like

Kindle Minecraft book. Yeah no, and they make insane amounts of money where you'll see they'll have thousands of reviews and stuff, and kids seem to love it, and it's like, oh, I about this for my kid, and yeah, he loved reading about Minecraft stuff. And these people are just crapping out these twenty thirty page minecrafts. Minecraft is largely deservings of its success, but like if the cottage industry around it, like that sounds like horribly

pandering and exploitatives. Yeah yeah, and like there's even like huge like print screen screenshots in these books, so like there'll be thirty pages and then like there will be twelve giant full screen screenshots of like hey, here's we're all there's scrapers, you know. Wow. Yeah, it's insane. I'm like a kid's book. Are you sure that stuff is not licensed? Because it

seems crazy that they would allow like the art and everything it. It certainly doesn't look that when I've looked at like the publisher information and things like that, and I have not been able to tie it to like mojang Er Minecraft or anything. I would love to know those specifics about that, because it's it's pretty fast published author. Yes, absolutely, yeah, maybe they're just

writing unofficial Minecraft lore. I don't know, fan fiction like the Kindle Store is the Kindle Store has made fan fiction business point that yeah, well, you know, I mean they're very scary. The famous story is the Fifty Shades of Gray was Twilight fan fiction until they like changed character names. Yeah.

Yeah, basically stuff that stuff swild. Yeah. I saw a news report about a like very pious, like deeply religious, married couple who began a side career writing like body romance novel nice like I'm not gonna say X rated, but it was very very much seemed like, uh, it's kind of counter to their lifestyle. It was very much like supermarket checkout line style bodice ripper type stuff. They're making insane amounts of money, great, like

six figures a month fuck selling ebooks. Yeah, insanity anyway. Minecraft Minecraft Yeah yeah, yeah, you know it's it's I don't know that tagline. Yeah. If not Now then win, right, If not Microsoft, then who? Yeah. You know, I'm like, like you said, Minecraft is by no means done, but at the same time, like, now, somehow seems right for this, like I don't know that I think so, I don't know, but in demand of this kind of price, forever

right with it? Yeah, although you know again they maybe weren't selling specifically for the money, don't. Yeah, And I think that, you know, it ends up making the future of Minecraft like maybe a little precarious until you kind of see what direction they're going to go in. But I feel like it was kind of there anyway. Yeah, you know, it's this established thing. It's been around, Like you have mod makers that have made all these unofficial add ons to Minecraft and kind of like made it weird on

the PC because different servers will be running different shit. That's a bad thing. It's just you know, what is Minecraft, and then you'll get a different answer from different people to bring on which which flavor they're playing. I

wonder, I wonder what the reporting hierarchy is here. Do you think like the head of mojaying ports Spencer, But it is definitely underneath like the Xbox unit, right, I think all the CC game stuff that goes through him now as well, Like I think all of it is checked into one. This thing is not big enough to just be kind of a free floating satellite of Microsoft, right, Like it needs to still be under the auspices of the Game Division. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what a crazy story.

Yeah, I thought, Yeah, it really is like they were already making so much money that you kind of never even thought that, like, why would they do it? Already doing that? Well, but well it's like you know, at some point you run the math and go like, well, who knows how long this monthly sale rate will go? How long with these I guess? But take this lump sum and punch out? I guess.

But I mean they've they've made over one hundred million dollar or is at least the last two it's not three years running right, Like they across the point of not needing money anymore a long time ago. Yeah, well, I don't know. I never went to any of those weird packs parties that they would throw. Oh you didn't know? So I went to one? Yeah, oh I did. Yeah, Yeah you were there. Yea. It was just like creepy dance club nightmare. Yeah. It was fucking insanity,

like a World of War tanks party or something crazy. I've never been to one of those. Oh yes I have. I went to one of those, one of those two this those whirld of tanks parties sound like those things are scary. I went to one and I was like this is not Yeah, yeah, the one too, Like I had a thousand pound cake cake. It looked like a tank. They had that too at the one I was at. I don't know, that's a regular thing. The giant the giant tank cake is a mainstake. The Minecraft master p on top of

the cake tank. The Minecraft party was like an order of magnitude bigger than anything sucked in University of Washington students to come party with. Yeah, whoever it was at Chi was playing, which is like a huge name in that in that world, and I guess if you were part of the press, you could get up like a on this sort of yeah uh and look down upon the sea of humanity. Wait a VCI is this like a concert?

He's a DJ of course. Yeah. So when we were leaving, Patrick and I were just like, hey, you want to just run in the middle of that for sixty seconds and just to see what what happens in the middle of those things. And we did and it we just got sweat on. Yeah, that was like two minutes before we left. It was fine. We jumped up and down while you guys were doing that, we were like, okay, we're good. Sure. While you guys were busy doing

that, I went and met notch. Oh yeah, it's friend. Our friend Daniel dragged me over and like we infiltrated the crowd of like thirty people that were like clustered around him everywhere he was trying to walk. Ye, So I can't think of it. If that's the kind of lifestyle that he's

got, I don't know. At some point that's actually sound. It's kind of grotesque, the sort of thing that it might be nice to just be able to get, Like, like it seemed like he couldn't have walked through his own party because there were so many people just like crammed around him at all times. I don't know, that's that's our one. On one hand, you're like, oh booho, you've made too much money. Sure, but I like it's a it's a very real Some people would eat that up,

you know. Yeah, yeah, some people would would very much be into that. But that's that's not everyone strange story. It feels like, yeah, it's I mean, it's just just like a singular thing. It's just like it is unique in the history of games, Like it's you know, even well Black Man was all made by one guy, you know, oh yeah, but he didn't make billions off of he did not. That's

like Doom was big. You know, they bought Ferraris or whatever, but they kept kept making games at the same company for another fifteen years or whatever. Like this, this one thing blew up so big that you know, h it's crazy. We may never see It's like a game I would have really liked to have seen ten XC comes market. Yeah, like that really likes in that sounded so yeah, far flung and insane. It really likes the sound of that. That that I would have would have liked to have

seen that. Yep, absolutely, yeah, Uh well that three maybe dead? How much Terrare is selling for what's the bird Man? How much can I get Daisy four? Get star Bound for a song? Yeah? No one nis, no one is talking about star Bound anymore. They hasn't hasn't star Bound didn't The updates like really slow down. That may have been the case. I have not been following. I thought I saw recently somebody saying that the game had not been proceeding like they had hoped. Anyway, that

was the big story. Yeah, A couple other things kind of happened, Okay, a little bit. Uh, Smash Brothers for three DS got out early in Japan somehow, yes, uh, and people start streaming it of course off three DS. Uh. You know the same company that makes my weird Vita capture rig that works also make aid and after market add on O. Yes, that makes sense. I've seen three D streams on on Twitch before and kind of wondered how that was happening. But that is how that

is happening. It's nothing earth shattering, but you know, they've definitely started confirming some of the character leaks and stuff. It's gonna be spoilers here, think over my ears, Like, it fucking blows my mind that people consider characters and Dispatch brothers to be spoilers. But I'm not saying that's the first time I've heard that. I'm saying it. In fact, I'm saying it

blows my mind because of how many times I've heard that. Not a lot of vast majority is the stuff that leaked before, though, right, okay, it's this list here. Yeah, It's just it's basically just confirming all the leaks. Probably, I think it's just there's that appeal of like you're just playing around, you know, you don't know who the unlockables are, and all of a sudden, it's like, oh, a new challenge. Are around to see a silhouet? It's like, oh God, who is

this? I am not at all saying there's that. There is that that's experience lacks value like that the surprise of that isn't inherently like valuable, but it's But I'm saying, how the fuck do you? How the fun can you be interested in this game and make it to the point where you unlock that stuff yourself without ever hearing about it? It's incredibly and everything you cannot exist on the internet and social media, so talking to like minded people and

like not just stumble into that stuff. Brad, are you telling me the duck hunt dogs in here? I told you the duck dog and hunt Dog was in there like last week confirmed though? Or was that that was from these streams? The duck hunt Dog, the duck hunt Dog is in the game. Yeah, that is definitely in the game. Okay, so is mister Game and Watch Game like him. He's been in before. Yeah,

so was Warrior. Yeah does he still have the fart attack? I didn't look at any of the footage, Okay, I'm just looking at Patrick's on the side here. Do you want here, Here's Warrior. In the previous game, he was in Brawl and he could write a motorcycle ont Gannendorf cool, doctor Mario cool, dark Pit, Dark Pit from kid Chorus. Yeah that's stupid, Okay, something you fall into. Yeah, that's a stage. It's true, it's a playful character. It's really hard to see it

coming. Uh Ness and Falco. I know some people are gonna be really happy about nas Falco. I don't like I don't know that earthbound. Yeah, yeah, I never really liked him as fast. Who's Falco's right? Wait, he's Flying Fox. Has Falco been in before? Oh? Yeah? Yeah? Really yeah, I think Patrick links to the wrong Falco page. Did he link to the band? No, he links to the fist, but he linked to the fist of the north Star character, who is also known as the Golden God. Oh okay, but anyway, Rock Day

Standard. Yeah, that would be a good inclusion as well. Anyway that you know, that's about it as as of the story four days ago. Yeah, nothing okay or shattering, but at least you know. Yeah, and they got that demo out, I guess Platinum Club Nintendo members got codes, and then it went up for everybody else. But it like it's one of those things where like I just feel like Nintendo doesn't understand what demos are supposed to work or something, where's like, you can only launch the demo

thirty times. Yes, well fuck you. That's always been talking about that's always been sober diet. What why? Who does that serve the already limited the number of characters that are in this thing. It's not like it's like you're letting me launch the full game thirty times. Yeah, it's Nintendo. It's Nintendo. What else can you say? It's the it's Nintendo. Bulling of the week. Oh Nintendo, You're so crazy. It's Nintendo. Brought to you by Don Carmack. Uh. Yeah, that game will come out.

We have a quick look up or excuse me, an unfinished. Yes, have a near final version of the game. It was a bit choppy. I hope, I hope it was not final. Yeah, yeah, it's in some room for improvement there. Who remembers achievements me? How do you feel about your game or score? I think I'm at like one hundred and forty thousand something that is respectable. I used to be a super obsessed with the college. Do you have just one fifteen? Jee? Okay,

that's yeah, that's intense. So I'm a little over eighty. They were gonna be able to use it to unlock things. I got a free copy of Fusion Frenzy two one time because of my gamer score. What they had they had one game so low that we're sending it to you off die. No, they had a promotion in like two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight where they're like, hey, we're finally gonna let you use those gamer points and like the top of the top, which I was like at

the top it was just a copy of Fusion Frenzy too. Yeah, awesome. Yeah, well, your life was never the same. I'm sure nothing was the same. Uh. They're bringing gamer score somewhat back to the four on the Xbox One with the October updates here in that preview program. Yes I am. Yeah. So you're talking about the leaderboard. Yes, it's cool. Oh have you seen it? Yeah? You did? You pull

that previous so it's right on the front page there. It'll just be like basically, it's a leaderboard, a rolling leaderboard of the last thirty days of an amount of change. So it's like this person has earned five hundred and sixty points over the last thirty days and he's in fifth place on your friend's side. So it shows it shows their total score and the next with that

a big plus number of points they've earded. That's it's it's yeah, that's a decent way to surface that stuff that Actually, this looks like something they really needed right from the beginning. I'm looking at this. It's the home screen, Yeah, like it is. You don't have to click through a friends fund there man and launch a friends app anymore. It's just you know, pins on the left, home and then friends and then store. They added friends as one more like it used to be on the three sixties.

It's just these are the major categories. You should be able to get to them in one button breaks. They've been making smart updates to a lot of that stuff. That's a lot of the lists and stuff that were there before launched that they then took away at launch, probably because server load returned of just like here's what your friends are playing, here's what's popular right now. Uh, Like they've been they've been seating that stuff around the dashboard in ways

that are intelligent. Yeah, and the whole thing just seems like a smarter way for them to expose, you know, the mountains of data they get right on who's planned what? Sure? Yeah, they are collecting a whole bunch of shit. Yeah, they've still got all that stuff with like the achievement tracking at the dashboard level, and even like the stuff inside that. It's like data inside data inside data on that thing. Yeah, there could always be more. There's never enough data, that's true, I yes,

absolutely, and an API. How about while we're at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm still spending ninety plus percent of my console time on the PS four. Yea, That more than anything, has disrupted my achievement point game. Yes, certainly, but if you know, if they keep doing care, if they keep doing stuff like this, Like the PS four is way better than the p S three was, but it's still there's some areas that it's fairly lacking interface wise. Oh yeah, yeah, the

interface on the p S four is not great. It's it's it's it could be better. There are features that they still have not implemented obviously. You know, there's tons of stuff, and you know a lot of it is you know, like we often end up just playing and covering what we're sent, which is mostly PS four. But like, if this stuff kept keeps going this way, like they've been improving the Xbox so much, I could see wanting to spend more time there just because it's a more pleasant thing,

you know, yeah, I think you know. For me, it was like, uh, and I ran into a situation playing Destiny on the Xbox One where you know, on the PS four the party defaults to friends all only, so just right away, anyone on your friends list can join in,

and that's kind of how I prefer to play it. It's like I'm not the inviting type because I think that commits me to play for a chunk of time and I might not have that time, so I'll be like, ah, you know, if people want to join, then you know, it's on them if I just go, like I gotta go because they don't know you anyway. So so on the Xbox One, it's just it's a button that opens the party app and then I I'm not sure if I can set up a party that just lets friends join it if they want to,

But I don't know. No one joined my game. When I was playing Destiny, I was an a PS four party yesterday that had been left open, and somebody from my friends list joined that I don't know. Yeah, it was weird, on the opposite of you. I want a group of people that I know, because people that have people that I don't know, we're scary and I don't want to have to I mean, yeah, I

don't. I don't, you know. I was not voice chatting and stuff, so it was just like joining it, join up like the games, simple enough that, like we can just run at things and shoot it. Like there's an arrow on the thing, just run that way and shoot everything. Yeah, don't I don't want to massively over leveled guy to join though. Yes, that's no phone at all. Can you kick him out pretty easy? Yeah you can, so you can politely ask him to leave,

you know. The guy quit and sent me an apologetic message right after because he joined, and people I was with like, who's that? Do you know who that is? I was like, I don't know who that is? And he was like and he ran away. My favorite part of that specific session of Destiny though, was that I was playing, Uh, here

is a thing that is great about the PS four. You can plug a nice headset with a microphone into the controller and everything just goes like you can you get the game audio sounding really nice through those headphones, and you also do the voice chat through the same thing. It's really easy to switch between like the output to headphones, chat audio or all audio. That's easy. But the one thing I'll say is that the endgame Destiny voice chat is nowhere

near as good as the PS four party chat. Oh really for quality reasons, but also in Destiny you can't balance the game audio and the chat audio, so like I couldn't hear people talking over gunshots and stuff. Okay, but then we just went and made a party and that lets you balance, like, you know, chat louder than game type of stuff. I bought those the PlayStation Pulse or whatever said one and it's got a just an easy little thing on the side that's just chat and games. So it just one

button. Freed, was that the one that has an app on the PS four that you can launch to do stuff with? Not that I'm aware of. Okay, Now there is a Sony headset that might be the like Elite Pulse. They put out a new a new headset after the PS four came out. All right, it might be one. Anyway. The whole reason I bring that up is that I was in a party. I had the headphones on the game audio was coming through the headset, so the room,

the living room was quiet. Yeah, and the sun went down and it got really dark in there because I hadn't bothered to stand up and turn the lights on because we were in the process of beating the game. Yeah, all of a sudden I glanced down below the TV and the connect was on. And then I looked down further and the Xbox One was also on, as if to say, Hey, you haven't turned me on in weeks, maybe you should give it a shot. Hey did you say Xbox on?

Yeah? Say it? Did you say it with you might have said it something? Something something I said must have like triggered that is on things eight hay se Re experience has been very much like that. Like I had a split second of terror where I was just like that, they're fucking watching me, Like somebody has rooted this thing. It was like spying on me through the fucking connect. It was a weird It was a weird thing. It was a plaintive cry from my Xbox One. But yeah, I hope they

keep updating this thing. Yeah, they've made a lot of great updates. You know, they've got like a site like Sony does also I think where it's like user voting on feature requests and stuff like that. So it looks like they're actually paying attention to some of that stuff. So that's uh, it's cool. Yeah, good stuff. Uh. And finally, on a somber note, Douglas E. Smith, the creator of a load Runner, has passed on. Yeah, which, you know, not a lot else

to say about that. Some Runner where gosh, there's a lot of versions of Runner out there, ton you know, the modern ones that Tozie Games put out are good, but they're not the original. I would go back to the Apple two. I would go back to like the Atari four hundred eight hundred. I don't have either of those. That's there are there are ways around them? Yeah, that's so that's the game load Runner is is the game that I first ever got, like one fully hooked on, like

had that experience of like oh shit, the sun went down. Yeah, uh that that kind of hit me like around fourth grade. It was basically the summer that I stayed inside playing video games instead of riding bikes. So it's the game that made me fat. Okay, it's the Yeah, you know, I made hundreds of levels for a load Runner. Yeah, it's a it's an incredible game, always was. Yeah, it's good stuff.

And yeah, it's it's it's sad to see that he was, you know, he was relatively young at fifty three, but but it's still made me think about like that awful inevitability, you know. And a couple more decades passing, you start seeing, you know a lot of creators of yeah, seminal arcade games from like the seventies and eighties are starting to get up there

in years, you know. Yeah, it's crazy time marches on. Yeah, definitely, Yeah, it's uh. Meanwhile, Ralph fucking Bear still doing it at ninety two, fucking a still going more machine than Man the Godfather. Yeah, uh but yeah, condultis to uh to Douglas Smith's family, sad news. All right. You know what else said? Emails? Emails, emails? What could be more depressing than the email segment of this fucking

podcast? That's a that's a good point. What what is more more ready reminder of man's in humanity toward man than the collection of emails that we get every week jombie movies. Are you saying that the people are the real emails? Yes? Right, yes, BombCast A Giant, bomb dot Com. Yes, okay, I can relax now you just tens up every week. I think I got it. I'm on deck to say it. It's like three. I mean, if you want to say it, you're welcome to say it. It's I don't know, sounds like an Ed McMahon style,

just like bomb cast A Giant. Yes. Yes, I liked when he said yes, yes, and you nailed it. Emails. All right, let's get a couple of token video game emails out of the way as usual before we before we get on with the real business. Uh leave from London, England. Man, boy, great, these are all great. No, he didn't say away. I should have just let you think he said away. I don't want to misrepresent him though. Uh. Master Chief is the traveler in Destiny is his subject line? No, Hi, guys.

Destiny features a huge mysterious sphere, not unlike the one scene in Halo four. Is there a chance the two were meant to be tied together at some point, or was Destiny meant to be Halo Online? The Destiny teaser in

odst suggests that it would take place in the Halo universe. Could it be that the traveler in Destiny was intended to be master Chief, having arrived on the planet in Stasis the Halo three ending, But that theory kind of gets a little all over the place there when you start tying it into Halo three. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm looking at our resident Halo expert. I

have no idea, I don't. I think that game is so different now from then what it probably was to be when they first conceived it back in those days, that it's impossible to tie that stuff together, probably right. Also, does bung you own that ip Destino? They what are you? Which one are you talking about it? Does Bungi own Halo? No? Can they put my tree Chief in a game? Ope? No, That's

what I thought. But I think what he's saying is, you know, this would have been before Bungee pulled their insane stunt to get away from Microsoft like that, Maybe that theoretically they could have made that game while Halo. Wow, we're still affiliated with Halo to the degree, Like originally the plans could have been for whatever became Destiny to be a Halo product until they got the hell out of there and we're no longer able to make Halo products.

I don't remember when that happened. It was was six, It really was it before Halo three came out, because that came out, No, seven, didn't it? M Yes, gotta be after that. I remember it was on a podcast in this room. Okay, that Bungee went independent. How about that? Okay, it was way later than Halo three. No, that would have been before Halo three, a Bungee splitting off to join Activision. They are you talking about them? Did enjoy that? Joys like

getting away? But when they when they bailed on Microsoft? Yeah? Oh yeah, Well anyway, rather than and hanging about when things might have happened, uh, I don't think there was. You know that there is that teaser in ODST that people went back and found years later. It's cool, it's cool, but I don't think they're just don't. It's just like a poster on a wall and destiny is coming and it just shows like the Earth at the little orb next to it. Really yeah, it's yeah, It's

just like artwork on a wall in an office building or something. But I don't think you have to look at that and say, oh, they take place in the same universe or anything like that. Yeah, I mean, if anything, that the storylines of Halo and Destiny are directly in conflict with each other because they both take place around the same time, different aliens, do they Yeah, is there a year attached to Destiny at anything? They just say centuries in the future, like they say the Golden Age lasted for

centuries and blah blah blah. I mean, maybe the Master Chief was that was the end of the Golden Age because they the whole, the whole beginning human City is New mombasas maybe, I mean, but the impetus of the whole Destiny Timeline is the first man to mission to Mars, discovers the traveler, right, so that stuff es from their good point, I bet.

Yeah, there's no way to know. Who knows, I mean, I've I've heard it has been ages since they have been working on Destiny in some form, even if it's just like thinking about and concepting what it might be. Uh So, Yeah, who knows what their plans were? Yeah? You know, Bungee has a love of themes and a lot of the themes crossover. Yeah, yes, like you. You can kind of tell a bunch of game surprising lack of rampancy in this game, but they at least

set the stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. It can still come back around it will They set up that AI. Don't worry the second mission they're talking about, Oh, the war mind from Earth is still here. He's still alive. Yeah. They even refer to it as a heat. Yeah, it's like we're gendering our ais like their people. You're gonna make that thing go crazy, and aren't you or fight it because it's crazy. Yeah. Actually there's still time, so crazy, still time.

Yeah, let's see. I had one other one in mind. What is a sphere but a revolved ring? Wait? Yep? Whoa yeah, oh yes, indeed it took me a second to get what you were getting at all. Right. Brandon from North kakil Aki wants to know if we think that Microsoft is just buying Mojing's customers or if that's one of their goals. Do you think that Microsoft buying Mojing? Sorry, let me start this over. I always feel like if I read and strip over a typo in the

email, people are just gonna think I can't read. I mean I can't, but yeah, no, there are a lot of typos in these emails. True, do you think Microsoft is buying Mojing for the Minecraft ip itself

or for the crazy installed base. Minecraft is already installed on about a bajillion PCs, So if Microsoft builds a really cool client around it to make it easy for modding or player matching and keep that Minecraft community really happy, then they could easily Trojan Horse and other games for Windows Client or something of that nature. Am I a crazy person or does this make at least a little

sense? I think all things are possible. Yeah, when it comes to that, like when you're spending that that amount of money, I'm sure they'll look at every facet of it and go like, ah, this is one

potential future for this. Yeah. I mean, at the same time, they would be insane to saddle like if they were to come out with a new version of the Minecraft client and saddle it with something as ponderous and like poorly executed as games for one as Live was right, Like, that would be totally ludicrous, But they could you know, or you know, but what if they ended up making something it was actually really good? That's what I mean? You know, it could take many forms, but that's certainly.

You know, they've got the attention of a very large number of people now with this, who will probably be there for whatever comes out that says Minecraft on it. Yeah, so that could get out there. I guess, Dan, what do you think while I'm finding the next email? I think that Minecraft is a real big thing and it's still gonna make a lot of money for several years, and yeah, it's smart to pick it up. So I don't know if there's anything more insidious than that or anything.

I hope not. I don't think it has to be insidious, you know. That's that's the thing is. You know, there are things they could do around Minecraft that would yeah, like better modding tools or you know, whatever they want to do on the PC or something like that. Like if they if they wanted to get serious about games on the PC. Again,

that might not be the worst way to start. But obviously they're playing with fire when they when they do things to a community that dedicated and that large, especially because they're not dedicated to Microsoft, they don't give a fuck about any of that stuff. That Sure, I just want to play Minecraft. Sure, that's a tricky Okay, we don't usually talk about kickstarters, but this one's important. Okay, public service announcement for pinball levers from Nolan and

Maine. The Pinball Arcade, the totally awesome multi platform collection of virtualized classic pinball machines, is trying to kickstart the considerable amount of money to buy the licenses and virtualize the most successful pinball machine ever in the Adams Family. And I had no idea the Adams Family was. Is that a legit stat the most successful? It was an extremely successful pinball everywhere. Everyone loved the Adams

Family table, but I didn't know it was like the one. The Adams Family licenses were apparently even more expensive than the Terminator two table, which is in Pinball Arcade, right, yep, it is uh And they've also got as a result of a successful kickstart. Okay, so yeah, they've been kicked start Generation was another one. Twilight Zone. I guess the estate of mister Julia. He's talking about Raoul Julia. Yeah, and the owners of

the Adams Family license were tough negotiators. So where T two was roughly sixty thousand dollars, the Adams Family needs ninety thousand to get made. Probably know what they've got in the most popular pinball machine. Yeah, sure. I wonder even who even owns the Adams family at this point. Yeah, it's like probably some snack food company or something. It just seems like one of

those properties that ends up in the ownership of Yeah. Yeah. Uh. Anyway, he just says, you know, I was hoping you might help get the word out or at least talk about the table. I always remembered it being pretty damn cool. Lots of neat gadgets, uh, and it's hard to find in good working conditions these days. I haven't seen one since it was big in the nineties. They're they're still I'm sure they're out there. If it was there it was that popular, they're still around. But

I just it's a it's a good machine. I don't remember whole lot about it. I just remember liking it a whole lot. Yeah, it's it's a it's a lot of fun. Yeah. I think of that era of those types of machines. I like Twilight Zone more. But yeah, how much is it to kick start the guns and Roses one? Was there really an GNR? When did it come out? Like the thing the plunger is it's a gun or is it a rose. I think there's a gun and a rose. It's like two separate things. Yeah, yeah, I should

see that. It's like use your illusion type. That's when pennball machines. We're getting pretty laborate. Yeah, yeah, you right away if I remember correctly. I haven't seen one in a while. Man, I want to if anybody in the Bay Area knows where one of those can be played, I would like to chant it out. In related news, our break room now has a Star Trek the next generation table in it. Yeah. Have you seen that yet? I have not. You should go take a look.

Yeah, is in working order? It works right. There was a post it note on it about the right gun being faulty. Yeah, okay, what does that mean. There's there are launchers a little rotating turrets on that tape. Okay, yes, yes, and the right one probably sucks. That makes sense because I I dropped a ball in the left launcher and it worked, Yeah, but I didn't hit the right one. It seemed like free play was maybe weird because the score just kept going up and up

and up, as if like the Resilient Balls credits on that game. When I wanted to just I probably should have just turned it off. It has I think it has buy a ball like okay, insert credit for a fourth ball. Yeah yeah, yeah that stuff like be somebody had just hit the way. It might just be that hit the button a zillion times, and it's got an LCD screen in it. Weird, which you said is kind of like a thing that some people do aspgrades. Yeah, that's weird,

like color mods and people the stuff that people do. Yeah, where did those machines come from? Here? Yeah? Who buys? I know where they I know where they came from many years ago. I don't know if that's still like the same guys still that. We had a guy that I think we just called the arcade doctor right as he had a name I just remember as Jerry and Jerry. Yes, this guy would show up and either fix machines and he'd fix it or occasionally he would like take one away and

replace it with something else. Yeah, okay, a guy named Jerry. In fact, then there's there's only like the one pinball and like two arcade maybe three arcade games here at this point. But there were a lot back then, weren't there. I had like four or something I thought it was more than that. I don't know, I thought that flecks on the stuff that we just had. That's right. Some of those machines belong to you guys. Yeah, so like like your blizz machines that wasn't mine. That

was the Office of Blitz machine. We had that Neo Geo Force lad that was Jerry's. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, it's nice having some Marcade games around. Yeah, it's fun to listen to anyway that kickstarters out there. If you want to see the Adams family in the pinball arcade,

and you do. They've made good on their past kickstarters, But putting that stuff out it's a little weird if you're the sort of person who buys the season pass for their their seasons of tables and because then you're effectively buying the table twice, oh, which I have done. Yeah, and that sort

of sucks. At a certain point, it seems like you wouldn't want to do that again until you just you know, just wait and kickstart tables that you want as they happen, I guess, but yeah, I mean their production process must be super ironed out at this point, Like, yeah, you can probably back with confidence on that one. If you're into that, I keep meaning to check that thing out. What does that on? Because like I've played everything that's on everything. Yeah, this is different than like

the zen pinball thing. Yeah it is. Is these are all real pinball machines, not stuff that they're just making up. Uh, it's it's all. It's on PS four like, yeah, it's on PS four, it's on PS three, it's on Vita, it's on that's PC, it's on iOS. Yeah, it's all over. It's play well because like I love the zen pen it does play well. I think well, I think it play is way better than the zen pinballs. Yeah, and it's got like

a two one and everything. Yeah, I think you said thought the iPad version is still the one to good, right, I still like the I like the iPad version a lot. The PC versions good. I just I just plaid is the right like layout? That's that seems like if they're on the go, like it's it's a really good thing to play on the air plane. For example, what's the name of it, the pinball Arcade?

Okay, I'm gonna get that. Why aren't you playing that instead of devid a supercard When you're waiting for your plate because I've played so much of it and also, like i've I've kind of taken to play it on the PC. Okay, which is high res looks better than that's our stuff? So does I have good leader words stuff like Zen? It's not terrific. Okay, No, it definitely not as good as that stuff that's great with it? Yeah, I will say in Zen's credit, I mean they don't have

the nostalgia factor. I will say that if they're gonna make up tables, at least they're kind of doing some wacky ship that you couldn't do in a real table. Yeah, it's kind are they're taking some kind of a plice to see them like stretch creative like Sonics pinball. Yeah, just like that. Thank you, Dan. I'm thinking too, all right, Louise has a question. It's terrible. Yeah, Sonics pinball is fucking hot garbage. The movement is so it's funny. It's funny you mention that because crew Ball

you want to play this pinball game crew Ball? Crew Ball ever come out on turbographics. Now that was all alien crush And I was gonna say I was thinking about Devil's crushing? Were those games in good? There are? Right? Okay? I was never a huge fan. Wow of those Motley Crue and Cousin Roses both got pinball huh yeah, didn't kiss? Also, oh there has to be a kiss absolutely, you know. Yeah, they never make a journey table or they just had to be satisfied with the arcade

Arcade game poison. Whatever happened to the Metallica car Combat game that I heard about? Like that got killed? It did? Okay? I remember really wanting to play that. Was that just gonna be like a Twisted Metal clone? When when was this happening? Yeah, I want to say like early two thousands, maybe even late nineties. Yeah, I remember I really wanted to play. Oh my god, that fucking who was making this? I don't know. I want to read about that, that's huh. I want

to see footage of it, the GDC post mortem on that one. I can't imagine development for PS two Okay, yeah, I can't imagine that. I'd have been ending up on Unseen sixty four dot net, which is a pretty good site for unreleased games and stuff. So much concept art here. Black Label Games was working on it. Are you playing like as Hetfield and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they should have made a zazy top one with all of their cars. Yeah, yep, that is James Hetfield

with a mini gun. Yeah it looks like it. All right, I'm kind of glad that never came out. Well woe Crush Hour came and took the wind out of its sales. Yeah there's there's more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a cuts. I think that there's a video of this game there, but I think it might just be the like opening cut scene or the trailer they put out to announce it or something. But yeah, it's out game. Man sounthing awesome killed into the officially killed in two thousand

and five. Oh well I was around for a while. All right. Luise has a question. Can you explain your website? It's a website above video we have we have a video for that. Oh you know, yeah, well that's true. Would you have an actual video for that work? Where can you find that? Searching the video search box video thing? Colin, it's a website, oh that video? Yeah? Oh you mean the original video? Yeah? Yeah sure. If you want to know about our

premium offering, yes, premium. I think that's more what he's getting at you know, yeah, they're there are resources on the site that should fill in those questions for real. Butm dot com slash upgrade yep, yep, he's got a pretty good animated But I just good animated. I just I just like the email and I wanted to see joke answers it would get. My name is Luise. I came here across your podcast and may looking for stuff to listen to during a twenty three hour drive from Michigan to Texas.

Boy, good stuff. Thanks. I recently subscribed to watch Drew play what seems like is his first video game ever. Actually, I'm sorry, I forgot that. When I pulled this email earlier, I forgot he had already subscribed. Can you explain all those other shows and videos that come with subscribing? Is there any important giant bomb lore I need to know from before June twenty fourteen. No. By the way, I'll probably listen to the commercial

filled podcast anyway, because those are hilarious. Farewell small businessmen. Yeah, I don't know. I think the thing that we keep in mind is that we haven't really given up on any ideas. We have a big I have a big document of like all the all the PREMIOUM stuff we've ever done. Yes, and I'd like to go back to a lot of it, For example, Giant I'm unplugged. That's a great idea to tap into more.

There's been a lot of people talking about that lately. Internally, it seems like enough people were saying it out loud that it said someone's eventually going to will it back into existence. I just said it on a podcast, so and I interested swollen. I don't like saying things like that because then everyone's like, oh, is it gonna come out? And I don't know when we get you know, when we do it, we want to make it good. So I think we kind of have the next one somewhat planned out,

right, if we're thinking of the same thing. I can't remember, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It could be like you know, one off ye sure, yeah. Like I it's hard to even figure out how to approach the backlog of premium content if you just subscribed. There's a lot of people on the boards that you know, are talking about kind of what their favorite pieces are. So I mean you can go in the conversation on that stuff. Yeah, you can go into the subscription

tab it's it's called subscriber. It's like, if you hover over the videos tab, you click subscriber, which should really be premium. I need to talk to the engineers about that and change it. I think we can just rename it. Yeah, I talked to him about it. It was like, yeah, break much stuff anyway. You can go there actually break a bunch of shit. Yep. Yeah, you can go in there and you know, click back and through and stuff and you're weird stuff. Indeed,

if there's a lot of comments on it, it's probably pretty good. Yeah, that's a good barometer, I guess. Yeah, and they're you know, they're various posts or are real bad. I was gonna say, like that Metro Quick look, I love that. Whoa did you watch it? Yeah? People really like that game. I don't. Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, I'm mostly with you on that. And yeah I don't. I don't I read those books. Oh wow, yeah, okay, well, yeah, I was not in the mood to play that

game that I know you were. I think that came through on the video indeed. Yeah. But yeah, there's you know, there's some chatter on our forums. You know, somebody might even make a topic if they want to help this guy out, help Luis out. I believe that topic ard he's still there. Okay. Yeah. When I was making that sizzle real ah okay, I went through all those and like picked great, great, yeah, yes, that is your best place to start suggestions. Ted has

a baffling question. I mostly reading it because I don't know what the fuck he's talking about. Japanese bath culture documentary. Hey guys, a while back, either Brad or Drew mentioned a documentary on Netflix about Japanese bath culture, not me. I don't remember saying that either. I am leaning more heavily towards it being Brad who mentioned it. No, anyways, I can't seem to find anything regarding it. Any chance you remember the name of that one,

The Japanese bath culture. Can't bathtubs? Well, he's probably talking about public baths. What is like a public bathroom? No, more like a group Jaccuz, it's like a giant sauna. Giant Oh okay, I'm not a sauna, but it's a giant hot spring type thing. Okay, it's a cultural thing. Oh boy, I don't remember any such discussion. If anybody does, I would love to know about it because now I'm disturbed that we might be like talking about things and then immediately forgetting about I went to

one in Costa Rica. Yeah, I went there's the one in Iceland. Yeah, Patrick and I went to m Yeah there is that. We watched that documentary on giant bomb dot com. Uh, just talking to a friend recently who just came back from Budapest. Apparently public bath through a huge thing there. Oh really. Also I an't go there, so I guess like everywhere has public bath except here. Wait, like at the Gin. No, it's usually I think it's usually based on thermal heat, like hot spring

type stuff. I think like a natural hot spring, think like you know, like a jacuzzi, but a whole pool like a giant temperature. Is this like the thing in Dante's Peak that the skinny dippers got burned in? Kind of Okay, then I know what that is. Okay. Yeah, there's that film degree coming in handy. Yeah there are you That seems intense. Yeah. Yeah. Also when Chris Browsing gets trapped in the tunnel and is uh it gets a compound fracture in his arm. Yeah, that's that's

real. That's real scary too. Yeah. And when that was it? Was it a guy that jumps out of his jump into a lake or something and everyone dies. Are you thinking about in volcano when the fireman jumps out the back of the subway train melts. Yeah, that melts, and that was super intense. That is volcano. That's volcano. There's another one where I think old people jump out of their cabin into lava, or they jump out of a canoe into a burning lake. That's batteries not included. A

movie, good, lightful film. It's a delightful film, is it like? Because I remember liking it as a kid when I saw it in the theater, me too. It was a delightful film, but i'd I haven't seen it since then. I don't know if it holds up. I don't know if it was good in the first place. I don't know. Kids kids don't have taste terrible. I don't know what that is. I caught it on TV as a kid. I think it's like your house gets struck

by lightning or something and then all your appliances try to kill you. Cool. Yeah that happens. You know it's not good now short circuit mm hmm. I tried to watch it a few years ago. It has not held up. Well, if you're an adult, Ali cheating, she's she and that. Yeah that sounds all right, Stefan need change color. But is that the one? Is that the one with? Yeah, that's okay, making sure I made a sequel, yep, all right, yep, Devin,

I watched those movies all a lot. Devin from Olympia, Washington has an email that he describes as not much of a question. Great, last night I had a dream that I was a getaway driver for fifty cent in his gang. Would you play a game where you were a grunt in fifty cents Gang Empire instead of being him? Yeah? It was Blood on the Sand was told as members of units, and you could be Lloyd Banks could be the game. Nope, nope, Tony Yo young Buck. No,

Young Buck was out at that point. It was was djo who kids really? Yeah? Was the game ever part of the unit? Yeah? There were, yeah, kind of not naturally, but they put him with g unit when he first got signed, all those marketing things. Yeah, and then then they immediately started yeah beef, and and then the mixtapes were good

okay, and then game got out. Yeah, there's a whole. It's kind of like kind of like Drey and Stoop Dogg were never like they didn't come up together exactly, but they both signed a death Row, so all of a sudden they were part of a crew. Well Dre was death Row a time, but yes, more or less, yeah he was. Yeah, but yes, all right, Uh, fifty cents kind of like done right, just put an album out. Really, I thought he. I thought he took all that vitamin water money and just like bailed. Yeah,

you know, it's it's I mean, the album's not good. It seemed like g Units getting back together and young Buck is with them, and I don't I don't know that anyone wants that. I certainly don't. There is a bar two blocks for me that is constantly playing the entire first Unit album Weird Yeah, which I'm trying to remember what the hell the name of it was, but they will play it from like track one, two, track thirteen or whatever. Why not from like two thousand and one? Jeez?

Yeah that's uh. Yeah. I feel like fifty cent just at some point became like a weird mockery of himself or something where it's just like I don't know, I felt like I saw him spending far too much of his own time making fun of people on Twitter, Floyd Mayweather for not being able to read and stuff. Yeah that was just like, yeah, fifty cent that's you don't like it just became like it used to work for him when he was very popular, to start feuds with people and then use that to sell

records. But now it just looks like this desperate grasp for relevance. Sure, yeah, I just yeah, I don't think he has probably not a lot more fifty cent games forthcoming. Oh yeah, that is unfortunate, but you were probably right. Doesn't have his skull either. Get yeah you never got the skull. Yeah, never got it back. Uh, Pat says Dan does yoga. Dan seems to hate anything fancy in quotes, but during upf he showed an advanced knowledge of yoga. What up with that? I've

done yoga for years? Go on. I think people might think I'm more closed minded than I actually am, Like I would give them that I don't

even know it's uh uh yeah, no, it's uh. I always assumed it was a just kind of new age hippy hippy, you know, bullshit stuff, and I hate that stuff and certainly there are classes and stuff that you can go to, and they're big on the spiritual crap or whatever, which I hate that I just quotes while you hold poses, yeah, and the chanting and the alms and everything, like I don't do any of that shit. I do it well, honestly. The one I've done the most

is DDP yoga, which I actually do like a lot. But I've gotten a tons of Diamond Dallas Page, Yeah, Damon Dallas Page. Yeah, the Namas day Cutter, but no, I've gotten to tons of like actual classes and stuff. I just signed up for like a thirty day pass for like a hot yoga thing in San Francisco that does not sound fun. I'm looking forward to trying it. Regular yoga seems fine, but like the hot version never done. There's one up in the Richmond that I signed up.

How hot are we talking? I think they bring it up. It's over a hundred I think my room. I want to say, oh yeah, is it purely just to make you sweat muscle relaxing thing? Like what's the point. I don't know. I've asked people to do and some people swear by it, and some people say it's just like you feel like you've done more at the end. So I kind of wanted to try out personally and

to see what I thought. But yeah, I mean that's you know, I'm not gonna like act like I'm too cool for this stuff, like oh i gotta play up this character and I don't do yoga. It's hippi crap. I know I do that like I do yoga and I meditate and like I you know, so yoga is no anime, is what you're saying. It is no anime? No no, all right, So yeah, I know it's it proved itself as a really good workout. I lost like thirty pounds over one winner doing it, and uh yeah, it's it was.

It's been more effective than any other workout I've done. So you think that the DDP yoga is a good entry point, I think it's. It's it's a fantastic one, especially if you're gonna do one at home. Like hearing

you so hearing you describe DDP yoga and how he renames the form. Yeah, part of actually, like, as someone who likes wrestling, I still find that really corny in a way that it kind of I find it it sounds off putting yeah, and I do too, Like whenever he does some of those dumb names or whatever, I think it's cheesy and stupid that instead of warrior, it's you know, it's like, oh, but drums up in the touchdown and like, oh, instead, uh, was it a

child pose? It's get down in the safety zone, and it's you know, he does some of that stuff because it's just it sounds like it's trying a little too hard to be like yoga for dudes. That was the original The original name of it was it's y RG. It still is YRG. It's yoga for regular guys. And he used to be really bad about it,

like in the mid two thousands. It was just like, hey, you know, we're gonna get a bunch of hot chicks and we're gonna show a lot of cleveand like he classed it up a lot like what the one I do. He calls it yoga for regular guys and gals now and it's not like a TNA type thing where I think he was trying way too hard at first of that stuff. The whole thing comes off as like, ah, this is for guys who are not scaring their masculinity and worry they're doing

girly stuff. I think he still tries to do some of that stuff. But from what I've seen of that first one, I've never actually done the original one. It's way better now, but I mean there's plenty of actual classes on there. You find it's hard to like achieve like a good form with a video when you don't have someone there going like, dude, your back is not It does help, like if you're doing like a pose or something, you're really doing it wrong, it helps if there's someone to come

over and do an adjustment or something. And also there's something to be said about just variety, because like I've done every one of those DDP videos like probably thirty forty times each phone. When they like when a class introduces you to a new one, you're like, oh I how do I Okay, we're doing this introvision thing and now I'm upside down. I holy crap, I didn't know I could do this, Like yeah, whereas you know what you're getting with a video series. So yeah, no, I'd super recommended

anyone. I've recommended that to anyone who's asking about it. Yeah, well great. Harvey from England says, lads I want to ask you about the ever present to please adjust your screen brightness until the logo is very visible mini game that preludes most games nowadays. What constitutes barely Does it mean invisible? Almost invisible? I ask because I set mind on destiny to what I considered barely visible and found the game really uncomfortably hard to see. What sort of

brightness do you run games at? And why do I have to decide? I worry I've selected too dark every time, impairying my experience. I feel like I end up usually choosing one higher than they probably want you to do. I have stopped taking their recommendation about that stuff. I tend to go a little brighter than they like. Yeah, I think barely visible means things that you would expect to be barely visible. This is what they will look

like, I always suggest accordingly. I always took it as like, move it all the way to the left as dark as possible, and then just do one pip at a time. The first time you see that far left one, and that's how I read it. But then I always find that too dark. Maybe make that a comfortable brightness. I feel like I'm turning most games up one notch brightness wise on my TV that I have at home. I mean, I canna understand. They don't want it to look too

blown out, yeah or washed out. But if you can't see stuff, well that's a problem. Yeah, So I've stopped ignoring that stuff. Those things aren't I don't find those things quite as overbearing as the uh like the little kind of the tweel little graphics you get on like a lot of iOS games when you boot them up, of like a picture of a head with headphones on or whatever. Yeah, Like, I first, I don't know why you should wear headphones. I don't know why that you. I don't

know why that runs me the wrong way so much. But like if it fucks snobby, like our music is so good, I really appreciate it, you have to be wearing head especially because if it's a game that I remotely care about the aesthetics of, I'm gonna put heaphones on anyway so I can hear it. But it's like, don't tell me to come on, just be cool. Yep, that's all. I never wear headphones. So I mean an other are right now putting soundtracks. O god, I am.

It's a fucking nightmare. All right, Brad, you son of a bitch, says Ryan. M h that checks out. On un professional Friday, you mentioned you didn't like Majora's masks. You said you didn't want to redo the dungeons after setting the time back to day one. I just look up the time to beat the game, and I realized I was trying to convince some guy on the internet to play a game. I like, I don't even love it. Oh god, what am I doing with my life? Oh god? See exactly, like Ryan, bullshit? Ryan, Like,

more generally, Ryan, you've taken an important step. Yeah, here exactly in the discourse around our hobby, like, just let it go. Spot the end of the world. He should go post in the metro quick Look thread. If people don't like something you don't like or that you do like, I salute to a salute your progress. Yeah. Also, that game's bullshit. I didn't enjoy it that damn. Also I didn't played like five minutes. I didn't know. Oh, I played through the entire first dungeon.

Okay, one dungeon. Think I got like, granted this was what that was a nineteen nine No, this is the decu Like when you're a little. I don't know, dude, it was foot fifteen years ago. It's so good. I remember being close to or at the end of the first dungeon when like the tim or ticked over. I remember finding that game to be like the only the only thing I remember about it these days is I remember that game being an overbearing hassle, yes, and not worth my

time. That's how it felt to me. Was like feeling like I had to do everything on a schedule, Like what, no, you do have to do it on a schedule exactly, log book, Okay, the mailman's going to be here at this time or whatever, and so there's this kind of like test or whatever trap. I'm done fucking writing down when shit happened.

Yeah, I like writing stuff down with like like FEZ. I had like a whole notebook full of like trying to decipher and alphabet fes was the game of the first game that I took notes and in a very long time. That was That was fun in that case, Yeah, But but I didn't feel like I didn't enjoy a feeling like I had to like hustle to get things done. Yeah, in that game, because I like the prioritization you have to do. I'm not about living my life on some games schedule.

I don't even fu all schedules, man, Allifield, excuse me time, Ellfiel, excuse me. The strange coin vendor is about spawn in the tower, so I gotta go. What's that from its destiny thing? Strange coin? I don't think Yeah, they they, I think I mentioned earlier. They there was a that's the weird guy you're talking about vendor, A previously unknown vendor showed up in the tower for like a day and a half over the weekend. I've not seen him yet. Babba Doors mask is one

of the best all the games. Well great, no oh yeah, oh no, we're doing it wrong. Let's just just let him have it. I don't care. That's not even you guys are in a minority on that. Fine, moving on, I gotta go to get a haircut. Let's keep this going. Uh Ray wants to know about being in the game industry as a programmer. Well, yeah, let us enlighten you as as a group of accomplished video game programmers. Allow us to hold forth. I programmed Tapper. I made I think I know a thing or two. I made

a car that farts in a little big planet. Yeah, I made some end plus levels. I'm pretty sure I did some kind of uh elimonade stand type game and basic or maybe it was Pascal I forget which Yeah, that's the time I made a couple of games in processing. Yeah. Yeah, I'm in college all right. First off, I'm a huge fan of you guys in the bomb cast coming out every week is one of the best things ever. Currently, I'm a software developer for a company in Corporate America.

I've always had the dream of working in the gaming industry, but never realized how to actually break into the industry or get a job in that field. I realized if I'm going to do it, now is the time. I would have never gone into programming without games. My question is what is the best way to get into the gaming industry as a programmer. Any advice would be awesome to hear. I would probably start applying for jobs. Yeah,

with your resume and samples and that's stuff. Like, you know, hopefully you have some stuff that you've programmed right for Corporate America that you know overlaps is impressive and has like a little bit over that. But just have a huge portfolio I think that goes for so many different well, you know, also, I think a lot of you know, once you get to the interview process, a lot of it is just about what you can do on

the fly. Yeah, most of the most of the coding jobs I've heard about have some pretty crazy like whiteboard based, right, like questions they come up and you know, like you're just like, here's part of the as part of the interview process. I'd be willing to bet that the tests they give programmers for game industry jobs are very similar to those they give non game industry program maybe, yeah, to see if you have the chops as this

kind of appropriate. Maybe. Yeah. Obviously if you're coming in something more specialized like graphics or networking or something, it should be a little different. But but also there's so much there's so many free rogy resources out there at this point, like you could probably just start thinking around in your spare time with like game type of projects. Yeah, you know, I don't know what to build up in what languages in vogue, Yeah I'm not. Yeah,

I mean, obviously we're not the authorities on that. The only other thing I would say that's kind of unnerving about the whole thing is that, Like, I very much get the sense, and like I would love to

hear from some actual game programmers about this. And it's not a knock against your profession at all, but it very much sounds like good coding in other industries is a lot more comfortable than it is for video games, you know, like more reasonable hours, not insane crunch every six months or a year, like I think, more reasonable pay, definitely better job security. Yeah, you know, I don't have to worry about getting laid off every time

you ship a big project. But yeah, that's the thing. You know, you're not working on something that you're passionate, you know, probably designing like some banking system is probably not. I've definitely heard nearly as coders on games that don't give a fuck about games. Yes, yes, ever hear about that too. Yeah, but that's kind of the opposite. Yeah, this is obviously guy who loves games and wants to work on them. You

would have one up on those guys maybe, ye, who knows. But yeah, if you're a coder in the industry with any thoughts on this, you know, I love to hear about them. Yeah, maybe some commenders can jump in the comment brother out some professional advice. All Right. I don't know if Dan, if you're getting excited about this or whatever, but you're effectively the reason that this email came in. This email is pretty good. He asked not to mention his information, so I won't even say his

name. Hello, bomb cast, former Disney employee, regardless of the bomb cruise reverence towards Walt Disney World. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to mention. The subject line of this is down with Frozen. It's a vicious cycle. Every five years, a new Disney movie comes out of the same caliber as Frozen, and Disney shoves it down everyone's throat. Frozen is a

filthy, infectious disease that is destroying Disney from the inside. The fact that Dan hasn't been exposed to the abominable operation that is the Frozen brand brings great hope to me. My girlfriend, who performs as snow White at Walt Disney World is losing shifts because Frozen character haven invaded the parks. Meet and greets

with the original Disney princesses are being replaced with Frozen character. Meet and greets, rides and areas of park are being completely overhauled to a company the spread of Frozen's plague. Walt Disney is turning over in his grave vomiting while Frozen continues to leech off the soles of the masses. I don't think that's true because his head is frozen somewhere. Yeah, you can't go to the theme parks now without a cast member shoving a paper Frozen character on a stick in

your face. It takes every ounce of my strength to stop myself from ripping it into little frozen pieces and pissing all over it. Love the podcast, thanks, ps. The movie was okay. I mean, kids seem to like it a lot, right, sure that wouldn't it stand a reason that it's a big attraction at disney World and stuff. Yeah, and whatever, it's gonna be big for a while. And they don't just you know, get thrown in. Well you think I think Tangled was frozen before Frozen was

frozen. Yeah, well you gotta make yeah, okay us wisdom? Yeah, finally some of that corn. Also, what is hey? I don't know. Finally the sunset. Finally, this earthy Midwestern sage has graced us with his knowledge. Duck duck grade, duck Hey, that's Minnesota. Somebody wrote somebody. Somebody wrote in somebody wrote in last week vehemently defending that name that Nope, I did not. Nope, I did not not in this podcast. Oh boy, Uh, this is a long email, but I

thought it was kind of interesting from justin. I don't know if it's pretty long, But do you want to know how he skipped his entire senior year? Yes, I figured you would like to compare notes of high school or high school. Oh, I actually went to all starts classes in high school and stuff. Yeah. On the last podcast, Dan was discussing how he was able to sneak past multiple courses in college. I found it absolutely hilarious

and we need to hear more. I had a similar situation in high school that allowed me bought me to bypass nearly every class for the entire year. After my junior year, my mother had to move my brother and I to Western Washington for a company. Unfortunately, in doing so, nearly all of my required credits I had accumulated did not count at my new school and instead got lumped in as my electives. This created a scenario where I got multiple

classes of the same subject for different years. I think he means it at the same time, as well as the fear that I would have to be there an extra semester to meet the requirements. While seeking a way around this mess, my counselor advised I reached out to the teachers and see if they would allow me to complete certain course material to allow the credit. All right,

So he rattles off some of his strategies. I started in my history class, of which I had three periods in a row from the same teacher of freshman, sophomore, and senior. He gave me a short quiz on world history and geography and gave me for an A for two of the classes. I had a short conversation in Spanish with my Spanish teacher, which resulted in an A for two semesters. As I have been speaking Spanish since age four. My math and geometry instructors just had me do their course final,

which earned me a B in both of their courses for two semesters. Piece The gym teacher gave me an A and everything because I played football for him and boxed as an extra curricular. My English teacher had me take a word comprehension test and then I asked that I write book reports in several different books, all but one I had already done and still had because of our senior presentation preparation. My entire senior year consisted of one semester of current world issues

and one year of remedial science, which I slept through. I also had to take two trimesters of welding due to my racist counselor, but neglected to tell me culinary would have been a valid occupational course. I guess she thought I needed some good manual labor. I graduated on time without a single person knowing my name. Yeah. Wow, So that's solid high school man to get those skills that early. His was a little more technical and a little

less I don't even know what the word is for what you did. Didn't speaking of high school. So I was in the gifted program, and you could do independent study, so you could basically take anything you're passionate about. And so, like I want to say, junior year high school did the

pro wrestling industry. So basically I would go to like independent shows and stuff, and I worked as a ring announcer for a little bit, and i'd be backstage and get them ice when they got concussions and things like that, and so like three of my hours every day were for the gifted program and so it's just I'd just be reading about wrestling crap or watching wrestling during that. And then senior year I got into video production, but like two or

three months in I got kicked out of the video lab. Like they wouldn't they would banned me from the video lab or whatever because I was doing a bunch of films on my own that were deemed too you know, they had cussing and violence in it and stuff you know sometimes and they're like, oh, you can't do that. And so I didn't tell the principle that I

wasn't allowed in there, but I wouldn't allow him the class. And I worked at the AMC Theater and at Funco Land, So just three hours every day at school, I would just drive five minutes and I'd either go play games for free at funk O Land or I'd go see movies for free at AMC. Just for the whole senior year at high school. Yeah, I ended up stopping. I didn't go to regular school up by after like November

of my senior year. Ended up doing independent study, which ended up me actually not doing any thing until about three weeks before, maybe about a month and a half before the school year ended. I was like, oh, I should really do this stuff, and then very quickly banged out what I needed to do and ended up graduating like two weeks earlier. It's a good feeling. Yeah, go into all my classes. Jerk. It was a good feeling too. It was a good feeling to get one over on a

system that is solely built on making money off of your attendance. Absolutely, yes, that was That was my impetus for no longer contributing to their fucking bullshit machine. Yeah. I was only in school for like three hours in the morning my last semester, just enough credits and then kept the hell out of there. One of those two was the journalism, which produced the school

newspaper. Yeah, meaning that every like two weeks, right before the deadline, we all ran into the computer lab and wrote articles as fast as we could. It's just like real journalists. And that's exactly I mean, it's probably the most realistic prep you could have done. We actually somebody brought there then nude Nintendo sixty four into that class. We played Mario Kart for quite a bit again, journalism preparing me for my future livelihood. I suppose because

I was such a cool, rebellious kid in high school. Whenever I was skipping class and I got one over or whatever, I'd get in my car and I always had it cute up and debitof the music Volume three. I'd start playing the Degeneration next theme song as I drove to go play Sambade Amigo or whatever. But like, and ironically, it's like, yeah, this is like rebellious, Like, yeah, I'm skipping school. It's like just listening to wrestling theme songs to go play video games. I just slept in.

It was way more fucking awesome. Well excellent, all right. I pulled so many emails and I don't know which ones I want to read. Keeping going suspense right, Yeah, everybody's super excited right now. Man, I don't even know what the next email is gonna be quality listening material.

Yeah, uh, poor Xbox one sales business on other sorry this is from Christopher and Toronto business insiders often discuss how the WEIU versus the we confusion contributed a great deal to Nintendo's fallow from Grace, not to mention the DS three DS, two DS and now new three DS fiasco. How much of the poor sales of Xbox One do you think can be attributed to the god awful choice of the name Xbox One? Like, I don't think it's a little bit bad. It's nowhere near as bad as we It didn't help, Yeah,

certainly it probably didn't help. But Microsoft went out there and bought dedicated shelf space for a lot of their stuff, and you know, got it in front of people as the end of the three sixty naturally fell to the background in a way that the Wei was so popular still that it didn't as readily fade from shelves. Sure, so, yeah, I think that's not really the same situation, right, I Mean, it's not an amazing name, but it's kind of the same as the three sixty. It's basically just

Microsoft counterprogram I think for their original vision for that platform. Yeah, it is the perfect names. When I was there as they were rolling out the name, it was like it made sense. It's like, oh, yeah, if they want to be the one machine sheen in your living room for all your TV and also other shit like of course, of course, but I'm a little biased against it as someone who has to say the name Xbox one dozens of times per week and occasionally differentiated from the actual first Xbox.

Yeah, yeah, stuff like we'll still run into those situations, but we're gonna get to a point here pretty soon where you can just say that Xbox, right. But you know, it's just like with the three sixty, they were also counterprogramming Sony in a way. You know, three sixty happened because there was a place with a three on it coming out. I think that was a great move. And in this case, it's like, oh, they're on their fourth one, but this is the only one type thing,

you know, or or the number one. You know, it's kind of an obvious response to what the competition is doing. Yeah, the Xbox Dreamcast. Now you talked, it's called the Xbox four. Let's just skip ahead, right, Yeah, I mean you can do that. It's not illegal, Like who cares. Also, the mpds came out last week, and I mean, yes, the Xbox one is doing poorly in comparison to the PS four, but they're both still selling faster than their predecessors did.

Yeah, so like, yeah, relative with the competition, it's not selling nearly as much. But like I doubt they see it as an abject failure. You know, they're out there making it happen. Yeah everyone is, yeah, well well most everyone, most everyone. Me and Captain are yeah yeah, getting it done. Oh boy, all right, last email for now. Chris from Wyoming, subject line grocery store. I saw two people buying chocolate milk, chocolate nest Quick and nothing else. Does life have meaning?

No, they were putting the next chocolate nest Quick in the chocolate milk. I think that's what he's getting as the assumption. Maybe they add regular milk at home. They're just like, we need to switch everything over. Now need nothing but chocolate milk. You need to turn that regular milk into more chocolate milk. Would it just be a super chocolate if you put like I guess that you could look at it that way. Sure, at some point, you're just delue the nest Quick with chocolate milk. You know,

m h. You're not adding chocolate to milk. You're deluding chocolate with milk. And at that point your life has ascended to a level that I am unfamiliar. I guess you're right, But to answer your ultimate question, no, I also get Strawberry life does not have meaning. It's just a slow, inexorable march towards oblivion. Yeah. Whoa, yeah he's ready for haircuts. I might not get a haircut at this point. I think I changed my mind. Good call. Also, I want what do you have to

live for? Man? Nothing, I just let it keep going. Yeah. Radio Lads got a pretty good episode of nihilism. Yeah yeah, the most recent one. Oh yeah, really it involves street Detective m Yeah it's nihilist. Yeah. Oh yes, the strictly speaking, he is a pessimist. Oh okay, I like Radio Lab but I couldn't really do it find the editing and the production to felt this version is just the one guy, just dad. It's not like I just really I just want to hear the

discussion and the information. I don't need to hear like the background sound of the place that they're investigating for like twenty seconds. Yeah, this is much more like this American life. Okay, well that's good to hear. Also, I want to reassure our pal Hambo from Scotland that I am still receiving his emails. Okay, I just haven't caught my breath yet from the last one. That I read smart, but I've got him message received as Yeah,

those those will probably happen at some point. Also, he has been a foot in the comments yeah here and there. I admire his spirit. Wish party with Hambo. I don't know, man, just make it to the oblivion that much faster. Okay, fair enough, I mean all right, well we'll go put those plants together and conclude this podcast. Thank everybody for listening, Thank you guys for showing up. Yeah, anytime. Not like you had a choice, I mean kind of do Wait what are you

saying? No favorite what we make? You can't say that if you don't have like a big I just carved it into this desk to like slam into the table. Now all right, well, all right, well we will get our knives ready. I've got a whole desk ball. I know there's yes, there's quite a selection choose from. Well, get our knives prepared, and we'll be back next week. Premium content. H