Giant Bombcast 08/05/2014 (Premium)

M M. It's still Tuesday somewhere, and that probably means that you are hunkered down somewhere listening to the Giant bomb cast. I'm hunkered in a bunker. Perhaps, yes, I don't know. Did did the bomb go off? Perhaps? Is it? Is it post the apocalypse? Maybe maybe the people who live in that or work in that, like seed Vault in Iceland or wherever it is. It's a bunker, maybe they will listen. Do they have a hard line down there? I don't know. Are they getting

internet down? The internet has no it cannot contaminate plants. That okay? Yet? All right then I'm aware of fine for Scandling, Yes it is I. Hello, true Scandlin, that is you. I'm doing all right. I'm doing good, too good. It's good to hear it. Jeff's out of here this week, continuing to trek across the earth in like a robe and sandals, just on his vision quest. Yes exactly, but in his stead friend of the site and other ja Yes, Jonathan Tiberius Drake.

I it's awkward because I don't so, I don't. I don't think he talked to you, so, I mean he he wanted to give you a shot of host in the podcast, but he texted me and he just says it's not working out. So he called me to be like, hey, until I get back, and you just like, fuck go watch Brad because all they talk about is fucking Doda and eating people, and I think it's

just we need to go kind of stem that. Okay, look, Doda, I can understand as being somewhat objectionable, but what do you got against eating people? Come on, I mean, I don't know what the differences between those two things. It just seems like cannibalization of one kind or another. That's very fair anyway. No, hey, guys, what's up. I live in San Francisco, and I'm glad you're here to clean things up. Yeah, I'm here to regulate here to clean up this city. I'm

Warren Gy and this ship. Let's do it. Yep. Yes from Boston, warrenying from Boston? All right? Oh yeah, are you asking if I'm coming from Boston? Yeah? I flew in from Boston at one point, and then I've been here since that point, and now I guess technically live here. I moved here too. I know you drove here, like god damn maniacs. For clearing that up. We weren't sure where you came from. Now it's weird back at this fucking record guy showed up on the

doorstep one day. We don't know where it came from. He's been living in the office. Dropped him off. Yes he was. He was outside in a wicker basket, swaddled in blankets. You know. Jeff called me when I was when I was not not employed for a very brief period of time between the jobs. I wish it had been longer. I could have used a nap. But the he called me and he said like, hey, you know you should come. You could just come work at the site.

He's like, because if you don't, we're gonna have to have to give Record a job. And I was like, well, don't do that. Whatever you do, people are gonna be so mad. Don't give Record a job. He's crazy. He's crazy person who hates all good things. And then uh, and he only speaks in declared his statements. I know, for softening of that way. More things than I don't like that. I'm a happy fellow. I find that hard to believe. I love things.

What do you love besides wrestling or hotdogs or Budweiser. Well, you got the big bullet points out of the way. I like video games, That's true. He's got real fun. He's got you there. Yeah. Yeah, so anyway, but yeah, I'm glad it worked out for both of us. Dan got a job, and after a brief stint of running Iron Galaxy for three hours, I decided to move to California. You pulled him back up out of the muck. I was like, what is even

going on in here? Company is circling the training people screaming at each other, and Dave Lang just throwing basketballs out of his office. Uh yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't take the man decide to get out. So I came out all the way across the country to California. And what are you up to out here? Man? I don't even know working for the man, I'm mostly working for a man. He is a man. Uh No,

yeah, I'm working at Sony now I work at PlayStation. If you did not see my wildly successful tweet about it, lots tweet, lots of retweets. Twitter campaign's promoted. Was it a five hundred five star? No? I don't think. Where was the hashtag? The hashtag was I don't know what is the greatness of waits now? So I'm great is the Drakes? Uh so? I? Yeah? No, I'm working out on the third party side over with Adam at PlayStation and we're making Sea a friendlier place

for games big and small. Are you helping to build the list? Uh? That's still yeah, maybe a little bit. If you have suggestions about games uh that should come to PlayStation, you should tweet at me at Geo Corsi hashtag building the list. Uh no, yeah, I'd give a company Twitter account to you. Yeah, I us, just us. He doesn't know I have the password. Uh no. So I yeah. I work on the same team as Geo under Adam and we are building lists. I'm

pretty much all I do all days build giant lists. I'm in charge of portfolio strategy, which I believe means make a giant list and then say does this game go on this list? Okay? Then out there and make some deals it, make some deals happen, acquire some content, get some games in that's the plan. Yeah. Do you ever played Mount your Friends? I watched you play Mount your Friends Bring Back. It was pretty amazing. We might need to es RB wise, might need to take the dong quotion

down a little bit. Oh no, they have a they have a WorkSafe version. The dong jiggle was a little extreme. Do you want me to just tell you what it is. Yeah, it's pretty funny visual, but put like hot dogs on the do and they put him in like a business suit with a giant swinging zipper off the fly. That's good. Yeah, yeah it works. Yeah, we'll talk to Geo about porting that game over. But yeah, that's uh, that game is really dumb that you played

so good, but I really liked it a lot. Also, this dispense was really like like palatable. Yeah, when you guys first started playing, I could hear it, like knuckle he was straight up like fuck this game like the suit second you booted it up, and then after like two minutes, everyone was on the edge of their seat freaking out. It's genuinely fun. Yeah, I mean the amazing thing about it to me was, and this only became apparent like halfway through, but the potential for fucking over the

guy who has to go or the lady has to go after you. Yeah, you know, it's like, oh, I'm not gonna make it to the top. But at least I'm gonna screw over the next person, make a giant impediment. It had a Yeah, it had a very quap feeling, but but like with more fucking with other people. Yeah, more of an actual game. Yes, there's actually some finesse to it too, like like sort of surprisingly uh, like swinging the limbs around and all the weird

stuff of the act. Get something, you can get better. Yeah, you could get good at that game, if like whatever that means. So that's my main goal at Sony's, just to get really good at that game. What's the name of that game? Mount your friends, your friendship it do it? I mean, that's how you can establish corporate dominance in there. Yeah, you need to just walk up to Adam one day and just challenge him. If you say, mount him, I'm going to throw this

microphone. I wasn't gonna say it. It's right there in the name of the game. You're right, You're right, it is in the name of the game. I mean, big guy, I could probably jump us. True, I could probably literally climb on give you a piggyback. I could climb on Adam boys and he probably would, like groot style, just sort of be like whatever, he's a he's a strong guy, he's a jolly mountain, and I'm like a tiny man. By comparison, I'm slight,

so you're average size. Yeah. Sure makes me feel good about it. I know you haven't been there that long, but are you feeling pretty free to go out after kind of whatever game catches your eye? I mean, if you've gotten a sense of like, like, how how wide a net are you gonna be able to cast on this stuff? Man? I don't know, okay, I mean there's a ton of days for that stuff.

Yeah. It's also like, it's not like all video game related things especi in the fact that we put people up on pedicals and make them the guy like it's always a team sport. So like there's a ton of dudes who dude develop our relations, which is like the smaller indie games. And there's dudes who do you know, publisher relations, which is like big corporate publishers. And there's people who have these accounts all under them and are managing the

flow day to day. And I'm sort of just like another voice in the room saying that seems cool. I would say, maybe it's worth this to our platform and I try to work with the teams to put together the value for how much that could be worth. And so far I've done that a few times. We found some pretty cool games, and you know, games comes coming up hopefully have some cool announcements, but largely right now it's like just figuring out what's going on, like drinking from the fire hose and finding

out about games that are not announced yet. And I haven't actually met with any publishers yet because we haven't had the opportunity. I have had a few phone calls. But we're all gonna be at at games Colm and I'll be over at TGS and I'll be at PACK. So all games big and small, Yes, all games big and small are kind of in my world a champion. I'm not necessarily that me saying I like this game means it comes to the platform. But I can go to the guy who's responsible for it

and say, like, this game is really great. Let's go to talk to Adam or you know, the other people in the other territories and say let's get behind No Man Sky or whatever it is, right and sort of see those games a little bit if further advanced of when they're announced are confirmed and say, let's make sure this comes to our platform from PC games to

Vida or whatever. Right, if you're E three was not already shadowy, it's gonna be all shadow all right, just nothing clandestine like back room deals, smoky speakeasies. And so part of my gig is sort of like the product evangelism at all. So like, hey, what are cool things that are happening on you know, so many platforms that we want to go talk about to publishers and developers wagh in advance, so they build games for them.

For example, like hey, we maybe talk to some people about Morpheus before we annouced Morpheus, right, so they start building experiences for it down the road, and then how do we sort of turn that ship and then talk to consumers about so he'll still see me out there talking about whatever weird stuff we have from like sort of the platform level side, and then like talking about our great portfolio better on PlayStation, the greatest console ever invented in

the history of video games, full stop. Now that's some evangelism. Boom, that's why you pay me the big bucks. Your tailpr I was coming here. So let's hope we get out of here alive. Are you going to Are you going to games Com? I am going to games, come leave Games? Are you just are you just resuming your travel life like right where you left off, going to be a little bit more calm. No,

I bailed. They actually had a Latin America trip this past week where they all went to Mexico, and I got out of that because I was just like, I need to find an apartment and like get my car registered and like survive as a human being. So I built on that one. But yeah, I'm going to be on the road. I'm leaving on Thursday for Games. Comm'm there for a solid week in a couple of days,

and then I'm coming back, going to packs and coming back. And I would be in Tokyo for like two and a half weeks in September doing like TGS and then publisher meetings and then Sony corporate meetings while we're there. So it just goes to show you can take the John Drake out of the road, but you can't take the road out of my butt. Yep. That's what roads pretty much, It's the whole hot rod, hot wheels track. I don't want to talk about, Okay, traumatic events so yeah, I'll

be flying a lot, so you'll still see me in the skies. I'm still the captain. This guy's next. Yeah, we'll forget video games. Yeah, man, I want to hear about your relocation effort. Oh it's been. I want to hear about the wild and wooly world of trying to rent in San Francisco. It is legit. I mean people think, you

know, so it is. It is a liberal, elite city, right, so people in where I come from, like the flyover states in the middle of the country think like people say it's really bad to try to rent there and the market's rough, but they must be exaggerating. They're all just

whiney people who cry all the time. And I will tell you no, it is like stupid expensive and makes me so sad and I carved out, Like you know, they say, basically, you should you know, be willing to spend thirty three like a third of your take home pay, so not your pre tax payer you'r after tax pay on rent a month. Like

that's the responsible adult way to do it. You divide your annual income after taxes by forty kind of comes out to the number you should spend a month in rent and I was like, you know, I'm gonna round that up to like a solid forty percent because it's an expensive market and even that, looking for a two bedroom, two bath apartment with parking for my car, I know, well, so I but I work south of the city, Like I worked forty minutes south of the city, and there's like a there's

not a shuttle that goes there. You can take the caltrain down and there's a shuttle that comes every like thirty minutes. But it's like even my commune could be like twenty five thirty minutes or it could be like an hour and a half depending on if I hit the shuttle at the right time. So I can't. I mean, I'm not that kind of guy. So I had to find out always one parking spot, and I just bought a car, so I had to find a pot spot that my car wouldn't be like

destroyed because it's not my old truck that I've had for nineteen years. But the so yeah, looking around, man, I I you I just kind of carved out like what neighborhoods I want to live in, and from what I could tell, the place we got, which I'm really excited about is

pretty great. Uh, and then everything I did, like comparison shopping and see if I had buyer some morse was either like I could tell immediately why this place was cheaper, like, oh uh, this place looks really nice in the photos, but uh, there was a decided to try to murder me on the way in. So that guy being the doorman probably means I don't want to I won't survive here forever. He's like, it was like

the rogue legacy of apartments and topical that's what I'm playing right now. And then or it would be a more expensive apartment, like we're talking about apartments that like I would I would limit the number to be like six thousand dollars a month in rent, to be like, fuck it, let's just see what six thousand dollars a month looks like. And it would carve out like a first of all, I'll carve out like a third of the apartments for

rent, because they're all like eight thousand dollars a month. And you're like, that's not a number that thought, that's a crazy amount that doesn't exist. That's one hundred thousand dollars a year basically for an apart, what are you talking about. I'm not an investment banker, I'm a human being. And I found one that was like, oh, it's like fifty five hundred dollars a month. It's in Soma, which is kind of close by to where you guys have, you know, your studio, and I was like,

Oh, it'd be nice to kind of live down there. It's by the ballpark, it's a lot of new stuff. Fifty dars is like way too much for me to pay in rent, but like, let me go click through and see what the pictures will kind of nice. I'll click through and it was eight hundred and sixty square feet, two bedroom, two bath, which means that every room on average is like I don't know, size of closets. Yes, it's like this room, it would be the biggest

room in the house that we're in right now. And this room is basically, you know, graduated closet. So you will go there and you'd be like, I'd be paying a thousand and two thousand dollars more a month in rent for half the space and terrible. So I'm living in Noeh Valley, which is like sort of the suburban urban. It's like close to the mission, but it's a little bit more suburban Warman neighborhood. And got a really great place to the cool landlord. And it's a you know condo that we're

renting, and I'm teching about it. So live in the city for a year or two, be a little young and irresponsible and spend too much money, and then you know, three or four years from now, maybe move out for the burbs community. And yeah, but right now I feel like it's the time to be around people and have fun in the city. Yeah, it sucks here, Yes, like California live to It's like cold all the time. Cold, well, relatively speaking, it's cold all the time.

It's i mean compared to Boston. Bear in mind, I know it's hot in Minnesota. Will come on, it's like sixty degrees here right now. Yeah. I drove. I drove up from my last day. I drove from my LA to San Francisco, and I got out of the car and shorts and a T shirt because this was wh when I left, and it was like it was not it's not cold in the grand scheme of cold, but it was cold for like the beginning of August and summer. Want

to hear is Whims. I went to the beach yesterday. I read down there, and I'm down there in my damn swim trunks, laying on a towel like you do when you go to the beach. People are wearing fucking coach and park Is. They're wearing like park Is on the beach. Yeah, I was the only person like laying on the sand, just hanging out on a beach like a you know, normal dude. And they're all wearing idiot clothes. So I'm born exactly. I'm born and raised in the Midwest.

I understand what cold is. I'm not saying it's cold in the like the scope of human experience. I'm saying for when I hear about like the sunshiny state of California in the summer, I would expect to be like seventy five. This is perfect weather, and it's like, no, it's beautiful outside. But it's not like it's not summer. It's like a beautiful springtime all the time. And that's okay. You even been to the dark side of the moon, come on, I have not, But I don't know

what that is. I mean, the other side of the men work gets all cold and foggy. I mean the moon, the actual moon where it gets real cool where the transformers are right, yep, yeah, that's have we not learned our lesson from Age of Extinction. We don't go over there because that's how transformers come and they mess stuff up? Is that where they come from? And the transformers? I think the second one didn't the second one have a moon? Didn't it open with a moon thing? Saw that

trailer where the Apollo landing like secretly found some transformers stupids? Yeah, I mean yes, I mean we could. You should love it. Yeah, you can basically say stupid things. Brad whoo wo woa, whoa, whoa. I'm an adults, adult things. You are goddamn lying cartoon robots for little children. So California lied to me. It's a little colder than I thought. I'm just ignoring you now. There are no Domino's pizzas anyway.

The other are not one. There's one in my hood, not down where I'm knocked down where I'm I'm currently in corporate housing while I wait to move into my fathers many chains. No, it's and that's largely I'm cool with that. Like, I don't really ascribe to the the Dan Record Jeff Gersman diet of only garbage chains or why do you think they got that big? Because they're the best. How companies work? You know? If you still yeah, if you stop interrupting me before I'm about to sort of agree with

you, giant corporate fast food. No, no, I'm gonna stand up for him. Listen, because if anybody needs defending, it's giant, multibillion dollars. Listen, help and Keller. Here's what I said. I said, only eating that stuff is not great. But I was like, what I was gonna say, is I appreciate a late night online ordered pizza tract pizza when I feel like it. Like I'm like, sometimes I don't want to call like the regional Pizza Plus and see if it's okay or not.

I need to have like guaranteed middle quality but consistent pizza. And I couldn't get a pizza, could get a Dominos pizza. It saved me for myself. But then I found a pizza, so I was okay, I don't du it. California is known for its pizza, is it? They have like that salad bread bullshit, But it's not really pizza you know, like like Wolfgang Puck bakes a flat bread piece of bread and it puts out on top of it. Like, that's not a pizza. Man's a raw quail

egg in the middle. Yeah, this is just tough. There's no sauce. This sometimes like a white I'm like, it's a white pizza. I'm like, oh, it's bread, and he's saying it's bread. Right, Yeah, we sort of imitate other pizzas. Yeah, that's but like but like inaccurately, well, well they they failed to fully match. It's a it's a deconstruction man. Yeah, uh yeah happen. California is good for We'll see Mexican food, sushi, Asian food. Yeah, pretty much.

Sunset where I live awesome. I've not had any sushi yet. No, I've had sushi in the Sony cafeteria. It was okay, Yeah, it was pretty across the street has pretty good sushi. I wouldn't that's pretty good, didn't you guys say any hand of all? I was, yeah, say, like, you know, conditionally, if you sushi on five minutes, notice it's not that bad. Yes, compared to like seven to eleven

sushi, which is also pretty good. Sure, Okay, pretty is it modifier in that sentence that I'm not sure I agree with, but it's sure. So yeah, it's cold in the summer, it's insanely expensive. There's no water to be had anywhere, just except for an UCLA's campus. Would you just covering that millions of gallons wa Welcome to Paradise. It's fantastic here,

gorgeous, isn't it. Yeah, And so that's happening. And I live here now and I still but so like I'm here all the time, Like this is like it's not like the first time I've seen you guys or done you know, the bombcasters are hung out and I'm never anywhere from more than like a week or two at a time anyway, So it still feels like this bizarre business trip where like I just assume all my stuff is back in Boston because it's all like a storage unit somewhere and that like I have

two suitcases and I'm living out of suitcases, and the only differences I go to the same place every day, But I could be consulting on a Disney game or making a mobile game or something. That's what it was like before. Trapped. Man, you don't get to go back. It hasn't settled in and for the next for the next six weeks, like I'm not here, I'm gonna be in Japan and Germany. So when will it feel like I live in San Francisco. Probably when you go visit Boston. Yeah,

like I'll just go home. Oh no, I don't have a home. I'm all alone, but except all the people who are living in my house to live there, and I have a guest room there, so like I don't know, maybe it'll always feel like I have Maybe I feel like I'm bicoastal, like I have two homes. Did they did they leave your bedroom just like it was when you went off school. They didn't want touch it.

So all your stuff on the made in an office? Okay? But the but my, the pizza place that I went to consistently in Boston did tweet a farewell to me and found out through the grapevine that I was leaving and literally tweeted like, I don't know how we're gonna meet our monthly numbers with you not in town. Man, that's a hell of a pizza place. And they don't tweet like like I was like, oh, weir I don't know. They had a Twitter acount. I give him a Pinocchio's pizza

in the Harvard Square. Wow, and they live the last week before that was like the three hundred and thirty days. It looks like incredibly long time. And they and then I came in that day to say goodbye. I went out to dinner with like a net and a couple of guys from Harmonics and we went in and they were like beside themselves. Wow. It was like the best worst feeling I am. I am. So it's the most

sad I've been in the leaving process. Whether the pizza guy was like, we're gonna miss you, and that's like, I'm gonna miss you, and then I left. So you know that is an East Coast pizza joint. Yeah, I don't know if you get it like that out here. No, they don't take their pizza seriously enough. I've heard pats Okay, first of all, that's how you say that word that. I don't care if that's how they say because it's like it's spelled pat x I right. I

called him on the phone one time. Come on, I don't know, you can spell that a couple different ways. You wanted to be. You watch a Voice Little Star. They're both deep dish places. Yeah, but the Patchies is like in No Valley. Try place out in the way home and see there's a little star in the mission, isn't there? Okay? I thought there. So I'm gonna search pizza and yelp at some point.

Okay, eating some pizza. I'll let you know how it goes. Okay, but I hope John Drakes Pizza Minute, Pizza Minute, we should do that. Yeah. I will call in with the Pizza Minute every week. All right on the BombCast. All right, Well, we're glad to have you out here. I'm glad to be. We look forward to never ever seeing you because we're always traveling. Yeah, it's hard to come down here in the middle of the day. Just call you up sometime, be like,

Hey, are you coming to San Francisco anytime soon? Nope, Okay, I'm here before eight am, and if you want me before an am, I'm here. Otherwise I'll be out in the middle of no I'll come meet you for a pink berry at terminal two. Let's do it. That's my jam. The best part of this process is that I get to fly Virgin America and I get to go out of the cool terminal term. Although terminal three, I don't know if you've been through there no branded ye to

be fair, you have to fly United to this. I'm gonna fly United a lot. Apparently was United suppose like the United hubs, So you kind of have to a bunch of times. But that's not a great terminal. Well, so they just remodeled to water. Yeah, there's there's a wing of Terminal three that's better than Terminal two, now what I know. So I know people listening right now probably are as interested as they are when you

talk about DODA. Yeah we're talking about talking about talking about airport terminals. But literally is the most exciting thing is the giant self indulgent cast. It's so it's all I care about. All I do is I want to have Admiral's Club next to a Pinkberry, next to a pizza place, and I would literally never leave the airport. I would just sleep there. I was just blown away that they have like like not just water fountains, but like

water fountains intended for filling up a water bottle. Oh yeah, like that blew my mind, Like, let me let me change the mechanical fixture here, so like right, sure, you can fill up your disposal water bottle you've emptied out before security. And they have like as many power plugs as

there are seats over there. It's the best, like it's crazy, I suppose, is the only place that I found what I like to deem the perfect bathroom, which is uh, you walk in and it's it's a it's a zig zag so you can't see in, but you don't have to touch any doors. I can get in. They do like the roundabout thing where you know, you go around the pillar if you're coming in and effectively like the revolving door of not having revolving exactly. Then you go in and the

toilets are auto flush. Then you go over and the sink is auto auto water. The rare thing is auto soap dispens me up, but SFO has that, and then auto drive, the air blades, everything is automatic. You can go in there like and not touch any You don't have to engage with any other person's filth. The only bathrooms i've and I've looked, the only bathrooms I've ever found, the dude, this are in sfl Are. You Howard Hughes. You can cover your so like, that's that's the funny

thing. Tune in every week for Druce Scandalon's bathroom minute. Yeah, that's it's pretty much every half an hour from one. I can tell the but you can cover your hands and paint and go in there and literally not touch anything. Yeah, like yeah, Blue Man Group could use that bathroom till well, they're they're dorks that Blue on it. I thought I think it was like they are dorks. No, No, they're Yes, they're good. What Blue Man Group. Yeah, I don't know anything about that.

I don't either. I auditioned for the Blueman Group ones, No you didn't, and for Stomp. I got pretty far on the stomp on ones when I was in college. I can see that I was a drummer. You are, yeah stomp. When I was nineteen, I got to the last round of callbacks for Stomping. It's a very dance bass. But the one that they're using like trash, candlids and all things are crazy found objects.

There's a whole solo where you had to you had to learn a solo of the guy who just almost like if you take your two hands like in a prayer hands thing I will describe because we were doing radio uh, and you like sort of rub them back and forth, like you're almost like you're rubbing a stick that you'd rub if you were starting a fire. If you get it, if you get it going fast enough, you can actually get it

clapping. Okay, got it. And there's this dude you kind of relaxed the Yeah, so you gotta let them kind of slap into each other. And there was this dude who and you can probably find on YouTube who is crazy solo. He would like start kind of clapping and stomping his feet and then he would just thing where else. Sudden he'd be going incredibly fast and playing like thirty second notes with his hands in front of his face. And they were like, you have ten minutes to learn this, and so I

learned it and it was like super cool and fun. And then they're like, now we're gonna do dances with trash game lift and smash into each other. And I was like, this seems incredibly dangerous. I am not coordinate enough for this. And then I didn't get called back after that round, but yeah, stomp, I almost dropped out of school. Oh your life could have been so different and went to become a professional drummer, and instead I make video games for a living. What a mistake. Instead you're here

working for Sony talking to you, living in our fair city. Yeah, on the giant bomb cast could have still happened. Ye could have made a stop still time man, could still happen. You got you got a lot of good years ahead of you. Yeah stop call me. Yep, I'm looking to get out. Yep, we'll wrap you. Have you had any time during all this insanity to play video games? So just in the past, I'd say, like week and a half, Like, all my stuff is packed up, So my PS four, my xbots one, and my

PC, all that stuff is packed up. I had my Vita, but then I forgot the charger, so my Vida died uh and I did not have a cable for it, so I basically no way to play games for like a week and a half. And then I stole a PS four from work and took it home to my corporate housing. So in the past week, I've and I got a Vida charger. So I'm now playing Rogue Legacy Excellent, which is so good. Yes, it was your first time,

did you play the PC version? It was just it's my first time I didn't play the PC version, and it is really hard, yes, and like brutally hard, and like from the art style and the look of it, I knew it was kind of like a rogue light or a roguelike uh. And I was playing, I was like, oh, maybe this will be like difficult at some point, and then it was like immediately like nope. First room died and I was like, oh, oh okay uh and

second room died and I'm like okay. So so I played that for like two or three hours and I didn't get very far, but I really liked it, and so I'm gonna put some more time in that this week. And then I played Guacammelee Super Turbo Championship Edition. I had somehow missed Guacamlee the first time around, and I really liked that game. It's cool,

super charming game with a great little art style. So I was basically browsing the PS four store and just buying things on our platform, with some of which have crosses, yeah, getting them indies and so yeah, my vida. I've been playing also the God of War collection on my Vida because I'm trying to support them first party titles, and I think that's it. Otherwise, I went and saw a human baseball game in Whoa, I'm Friday Giants

game. I went No. I went down to LA for a Dodgers game Dodgers Cubs, because I'm a Cubs fan, and we took a bunch of people out of Vinyaki was there. A couple of people came out for Andrew's birthday. We went and saw the game and the game was a blowout. I was eight to two. It's always fun people leaving in the seventh inning. Yeah, so it was kind of great. So we were in these box this box area wasn't like a fancy box seats, but it was like

this just separate floor where they had a different bars. People were pretty hammered and after like six inchs or seven innings, like the score was pretty insurmountable, like the game was pretty much over and people and that level they had they had waiters who would go around and once a while they'd stop by and ask if you wanted, you know, drinks or food, and you could order from them, or you could go by yourself at the stands behind you

and they had menus in the seats of like, hey, here are the things that are behind you if you don't want to turn around, cause do that fucking lazy h And at some point, like the seventh inning, people just started being like, well, this game is boring. I'm gonna make paper airplanes. And so this entire section of the stadium started making paper airplanes.

And it was so quiet. People were so uninterested in the game that literally there's a paper airplane that hung and you could actually just hear this ground swell of like cheering and suspense and excitement, and the things landed on the field and people went fucking bananas. We're screaming and high fiving each other. It was it was incredible. So you know who threw the errant plane?

I do not came from above us, Okay, but there was like there were probably about forty or fifty airplanes thrown in about anything and a half's like grounds for rejection or something like interfering with the It's hard to spot somebody throwing I mean, they're not dangerous, they're just you know, they're flowing out there. And then uh, and then we saw fire, the fireworks on after the after the game, so it was their loss was it was the Dodgers loss. So it was like, yeah, it is the Cubs we're

talking about. I'm sure, No, it's not. It's surprising they won. So it's Friday night fireworks. They have them every Friday, and it's like, win or lose, we're gonna shoot some fireworks off got blown out. We don't give a shit. We blows the stuff up in the parking lot. So that was fun. And then I drove back and listen to this terrible show and I feel the shows on my drive. I couldn't play

games because I was in the car for twelve hours. So yeah, I haven't played as many games i'd like, but I'm playing a couple of games. Oh and I'm also weirdly playing Asassin's Screed four again. I just like I had that. So that was one of the disks that was like in my office when I got there, you just like find yeah, random four games like Stuck in the couch cushions. They're like, here's a welcome pack of like a very random assortment of games, like some Japanese games you never

heard of. And Assassin's Creed four got a four one and you're like, okay, uh. And so I took it home, and I had only really played it like trading controllers off on someone else's profile, so I didn't have a save on my profile. So I just started a new campaign was playing through it, and it was like one hundred percent islands and stuff like that. And that game is still fun to kind of like the exploration and and like getting stuff in that game is still way better than the actual mission

to mission stuff a lot of the time. But I'm you know, I'm playing through it again. I'm enjoying it. Assassinated an awful lot, Yes, almost immediately, and I shot an iguana excellent, killed an iguanna with a gun, which is like just so overkilling. Also, those guns are sporting, Yeah, they're not. Like it's not like a twenty two rifles. Like this is like basically a hand cannon shooting a thing. It's the size of a love of bread, Like it would just explode. Like there's

no way that things survive in a piece. It's usable. Come on, Assassin's Creed, you're supposed to be historically accurate. Get your anatomy done, your animal anatomy, So are you? Are you forbidden from playing games on any other platforms now or through. No. I mean I research, man, Yeah, I gotta you gotta play everything, so especially PC games. I'm excited for my my tower to come back out so I can set that up and my TV because I don't have a TV, so that would also

help. I didn't even know you had a PC. I never thought of you. I always assumed you were just like a MacBook and done type of First of all, how dare you? Second of all, I just played games on your rock band. I only played games that are supported by the rock band drums set uh and the stage kit. The No, I have a PC, and I mean I don't plays many PC games as they do

console games. I prefer the console experience. I think it's nice to have an ecosystem where a lot of my friends are organized in a way that's not at the whims of Steam being up or down? Or are you just talking about Doda for hours and hours and every status that day you post? So? Yeah, but no, I play a lot of PC games. We were you know, I was making Chroma for a while game and but you know, I play a lot of everything. I'm supposed to just kind of

play everything. So I've still sucked down the web of or down the well down the funnel metaphors doesn't matter. I have an English degree. It's fine. The I'm licensed to the I'm still stuck in the world that I you know, my game of the Year for twenty thirteen, Pegel two Man Call The Call of PEG two is strong for me. I know anybody who was still playing th that I knew the first of all, there's two dealc packs though, Carlor. Yeah, there's Jimmy Lightning, who's the multi ball guy

from the first one, Jimmy Lightning. How could I have forgot? And and there's Yes, he's like the skateboarding hamps. Yeah, and he has like a Figaro mashed up with dubstep music thing. It's incredible. Uh. And then there's some fairy flock girl who's like causes everything to be purple purple pegs. And I believe that game's coming out on other platforms too, but

right now it's on Xbox Ones. That's where I saved. I'm trying to fully complete it with every trophy, uh and achieving in that game, so I'm still like grinding through pegl but it's like, you know, it's a three minute game, but it's basically a mobile game on my Giant TV.

But something about the sound design and like the pace of that game is weirdly relaxing, where when I cannot sit down and play a game for two or three hours, when they get into a game, if I have like twenty minutes while my girlfriend's doing her hair, I'm waiting for something to arrive. Like I can bang out a couple of rounds of pegel Too and feel like I've accomplished something with my list. It's really well produced. I mean, it looks great, you know, and I feel fanfair. Every time you

finish him a match or around is fantastic coming. I feel legitimately a little dumb saying how much I played pegel Too. And people are gonna be like, oh, he's what kind of games is this jerk gonna go out and get if he's like still playing pegle Too for all these months, But man, it makes me happy. It's so getting them big hug. Yeah, every time you finished the level, it's like my mom spaghetti. It's not the best saghetti in the universe, but when she makes it, I'm pretty

excited about it. Feels like home, PlayStation home. Nobody feels comfortable there. And yeah, and if you leave it on, you know, you can just fire the Xbox up and be in there in five seconds. It's all I use my Xbox for. Yeah, I literally use my x play peleton once four getting that feature huh r man so zooms pretty nice. Oh interest should tell somebody's down there. And I like that. People will now thank me and Adam like I think they added three D ray support the other

day. Yeah, I got a bunch of tweets being like, thank you so much for this speech. And I've been like, guys, I've been here for two weeks. I'm excited. Thanks for moving those system notifications to the other side. It's casey big three D movie guys. I don't know, but he's excited about dumb you know, tiny edge case features that he's like been petitioning for via Twitter or something like that. That's just how good you are? You just came in. You kick the door down. We're

like three D right now. Yes, it's like this package sing by the door. Do you no one think to take this outside? Take it outside? And they're like, oh, kid's done now, No, that's not at all how anything works. It's like years of planning and execution by smart people know how computers work. And I'm assumed guy in in office being like, I have ginger beer in my office. Would you like a ginger beer? That's my role Pegel two. Well, great, we're happy to have

you here. I'm happy to be here. Are other people playing games? That's my question for you, brother the host, than well for now, shit, keep it up man. You're you're like the secret shopper of podcasting. Yeah, never blew your cover as soon as you came in. Yeah, but I'm walking. I'm like, Hey, I'm seventeen. I want to buy cigarettes. Here's my idea, says I'm eighteen, give me cigarettes. I'm gonna need to see what happens, see a second form of identification,

sir, I'll have that. Give me some cigarette. I'm fraid I can't help your. Secret shoppers are the ones where like they go around the store acting like they're shopping, but they're really looking for there. No, No, they're judging the performance of like the retail staff, Like they're in there to see what the customer experience is like, yes and nothing. They go in and complete transactions. You know, like they're paid to go in and buy specific items and come out with them. This is a true story.

When I get got laid off from my game industry job, I was looking on Craigslist for jobs. That's where I found Whiskey Media. And when I had Whiskey Media open in a tab, I had a few other tabs also open. One of those tabs was secret super really Yeah wow fun. Yeah, it does sound. I don't think it pays super well though, No. Zero. It's literally like you're filling out a survey and I can say for an intern ship t shirts. Yeah, I might be crazy,

but I want to say I've seen that. It's like, you know, you get like thirty or fifty bucks to go into a store and do it. How you get a discount you do for Target, I'm sure maybe they'll let you keep whatever the items are that you have to buy, so it's like legal shoplifting. It's like, hey, I only made fifty bucks a day, but I got this deodor in this panty. I want to make

sure. I know you're gonna ask peop about games are playing, but I was to make sure I like put a little bookmark in your ear right now, we at talk about Matt Keesler at some point during this Oh god, just because I now I'm as co worker and have you been playing is Matt Kessler video game? Have you have you been playing? I mean I've actually spent all day playing the game. And is Matt Kesler? We can come back to it in a different non John drink, Yeah, I heard you've

been playing Matt Kessler. Simulator twenty fourteen is literally the most surreal game I have ever played. It is like Sweary made Matt Kesler. Wow, he is a human being, is basically a sweary real life Okay, now that you're getting the around the clock treatment, he's an It's a waking nightmare. I think, Oh, I think. I think that Adam Boys hired me as like a third party verification source, like the guys are coming from the uend of like certify elections, as like being voter fraud free, to be

like the things this dude says are so crazy. I need someone from the outside world to come in and verify that I'm not losing my mind. And in fact, he is crazy. I feel he's a crazy persons. So like I would say, no fewer than like half a dozen people that I follow on Twitter that work at Sony at this point, like tweet quotes out of context from him regularly, like on a regular, almost daily basis. He's like a sound bite machine. If the business that he represented he makes

making sound bites for was nightmares and confusion. And it's incredible, Like I am becoming familiar with people at Sony that I didn't know based on retweets of them quoting Medcastler. He in so he's not. I don't want to spend I don't want to die too much into his personal life because it's his business and I only want to capitalize on as much as it benefits me. How much he eats fruit, So he doesn't eat fruit at all. It was just like a thing that he's like never so like he makes Dan Reiker look

like the Phantom gourmet, Like motherfucker eats everything compared compared to Kessler. But he doesn't eat a lot of fruits. And I will not go into detail about him trying. He's trying things now. I think it's great, but he literally at some point Adam was looking at me and then he was looking at Kessler looking at me, and he goes Kesler, Have you ever had a raisin? And he's like, maybe when I was like three years old. I don't know. Maybe I've had a raisin. I don't, but

not since then. I don't think. I don't won Yeah, like I don't think I liked it. And he's like, so, you've never had a raisin? He goes, well, I mean other than in a cookie trap, but that's the only time. And I was like, I'm sorry, did you just say cookie trap? Like that's like a common cause he goes, yea, you know, it's like when they give you a cookie and you're like, oh, delicious cooking, and then you bite into it and you're like, oh, there's fruit in here. I've been I've been

tricked. And then for like an entire day, he was responding to everything I said with game respect game, no matter what it was. I would be like, yeah, I also, you know, I also had cereal when I was little, and like had cheerios without milk, and I think they're pretty tasty. I like cheerios and he goes, yeah, game respect game, and I was like, no, God damn it, no,

game does not respect game. You don't talk. Stop talking. But he is a Yeah, he's he's an amusing but weirdly insightful and knowledgeable and kind of awesome person to have on a team. But also like the things he says for entertainment value alone are worth probably two times what I think they're paying him. You should, you should try playing DODA with him. Sometimes I can only imagine he's hilarious something else it really yeah, he really is.

But he's like Dan Reicherd if you took all the snark out and like any opinion about something that you thought was valid and just made it only polarize crazy opinions. Sure, but said with his certainty and same like sort of like gut gut instinct that Dan has. Okay, but he's never had fruit. Really, he's had like three fruits yet he had Oh god, he ate a banana. Yes, he ate a banana, and he was and he apparently he was quoted as saying I ate it. And then it was I

didn't really chew. It was just sort of gone. It was like eating a ghost. Yes, yes, that was recounted to me. I was like, what the fuck does that mean? The story? And then I believe the last story I will tell? And I told him I was gonna talk abutim before I came on, so he should not be offended or I don't believe so. At least it doesn't report to me. So whatever, uh is he They said he's gonna tryng He never orange juice. He's gonna

try orange juice for the first time. And someone said, oh, you're trying with pulp, and he goes, what is this fear factor? Go meet this guy? Yeah, it's basically like eating purred cockroaches. You know, he's incredible. So he used to get sandwiches for people, a giant poland he's an account representative. It's sounding. You know, we gave him games. We gave him the best possible start. I think, you know, it's worked out pretty well for him. It's obviously the natural career trajectory

from sandwich pick up to third party account management. Yeah, you know, but he but he knows things about games that no one else. I mean, he's really like is inside that system in a very special way. All the time we spent like idiots eating fruit in our lives, he's just dedicated to learn about video He was busy playing Persona or yeah exactly whatever or Doda hours and hours and wait till, just wait till I heard his his like

massive presentations that happen, They're amazing, seen one. I've seen the campus there, I've heard. I've heard great things about his his like video game school. I bring him up mostly because he's like he no former filiate of the site, and like he's actually like a really sweet good dude. Well, friend is a strong word. I think he's a person that you're aware of because he's also crazy. So you want to keep him in arms lane because he might murder you in your sleep. Oh, I don't think he's

care well, I don't think he's capable. He's threatened. He's threatened your life a lot, specifically you. There's a lot of beef. I'm not sure he's ever eaten beef, but he's one side of beef. We need to talk later, doda, doda, life threatening. We should anyway, we should discuss this. That's all made up. But Kesso is a good dude, so anyway. Yeah, but he doesn't eat fruit, and he's weird as hell, and he sits down the hall from me and says crazy

shit about this. You hear it drifting down the hall. Yes, I walked down there and within five minutes I always walk away being like god damn it and just walking out the direction because he's fucking crazy. It's great.

But he's amusing. So that's great when he works there. When we first went there, like a month after he'd started, he was like he was like quarantined, like on the other end of the office because we were in the bullpit there, you know where or the bullpen where like all those guys, all the like third party people are yeah, and he wasn't there, and we were like, well, we want to see you, want to say, hide Kesler, And they're like and they're like, oh yeah,

we'll take you over there. And we walk like a good like ninety seconds to the other end of the floor and there's like an area where there are no desks are occupied except for him. He's a laptop. He has moved into the center of things. So yeah, when I heard that he had been integrated into the group, I was like, all right, he's moving on this social experiment. Yeah, well see how it guys. But yeah, he's I'm excited for him. He is single handedly makes work working at

Sony worth it. Every day I go in and he says something, and I go, yep, that's the right place. This is the right amount of like Morning Zoo show that I want in my day. That's fantastic. Yeah, he's a good guy. I'm glad things are going well for everybody. Yeah you can say that, Drew. Yeah, hello, Hi, Hi, what have you been up to? Well, things weren't going so well for me and Dan record earlier today when we played pine Wheel pin Wheel? No you guys, did you guys ever watched pin Wheel? Pinwheel?

What hell is that? Back in the day, that's pin wheel? Let's move on. I want to know. I actually pee all. I could remember the show, Okay, I think it was like I think it was on Nickelodeon. I would have seen it. Yeah, I think it was some kind of variety thing. They're in the Roundhouse. I don't actually when House was on Snick. It came on after It's Clarissa and then Roundhouse. Yah, Saturday Night Nickelodeon. Are you Afraid of the Door? It was like it was like t G I f but it was Snick. It was

Saturday Night Nickelodeon. I wasn't watching Nickelodeon at that point, thank you. And it was like ninety two ninety three when you were a child. You mean it was random, stimpy. Yeah, it's good stuff. Okay, Brad's fifty five years old. Ye that's right, Okay, don't forget. Yeah, like it my day. Drew brought up Supermarket Sweep, which was a genuinely and mean Yeah, that was fantastic. Was more. I was

more like like doubledare You can't do that on television. Okay, Roundhouse was that it was before that, Actually Roundhouse it was way around that same time. Well, yeah, you can't do it that television round House. Do you remember what would you do with Mark Simmers? Yeah? That was the best because kid, Yeah it had the giant roll or the pie coaster yea,

and the pie Flinger. Yeah, but the best was when a kid would just put a coin and do like a random door on this huge wall and you'd either get like a water bottle or a gorilla hand would just put a pie in your face. Yep. It was great. It's your dream, your dream. It was a fantastic show. Yeah, no, that's that show is pretty unstoppable. But I can't believe you never can't. We never really watched Snake. Never watch all your Fraid of the Dark terrifying show?

Is that? Like, is that like a PG version of Tales from the Crypt? Yes, the same concept. Yeah, like kind of serialized. Yea killed the clowns and but it was like it was like Goose. Yeah, but it was like it was like single vignettes, right, it was like yeah, like Twilight, Twilight sometimes an episode, but yeah, standalone, no continuity, nope, zero experience. What was the not Supermarket Sweep? What was like was it it's not shop? How you drop it?

Drop? Came on after Supermarket Sweep on Lifetime. Yeah, stories, I don't know, because those two shows are in a Lifetime Viewer, and those two shows they're incredible. You just go right to the turkey section of Supermarket Sweep. Load up on turkeys are the most valuable, Grab the inflatable green giant. You're set. Yeah, that's what you do on Supermarket Sweep. Yeah, I don't know. Supermarket Sweep was a lot less interesting after

somebody theory crafted it to death. Just how many turkeys gonna fit in my card? I win? It's like when the guy broke Uh, it was the the Noammy's game pressure. Yeah, so I figured that out. Like mathematically, he knew that the like patterns new whendo press the buttons card counters. Yeah, but then so you can break the meta in Supermarket Sweep when you find something flexible enough to cram in between the turkeys, string cheese.

The meta game exhausting Frozen Frozen peas new meta. So either're all flexible to fit in the crevices. I know. Tell me what video game you were gonna, Oh, Penwell Partywell Party, yes, also known as pine View Drive, similar clothes. Yeah, oh, it's a horror game, self professed. It's fifteen dollars on his team out now, don't buy it, all right, it would feel terrible quick look up now, Okay, oh god, how much is it just you guys suffering through like really bad UI?

And how much is actually the game? It's not. There's like no ui. There is no ui. The game is you're in the mansion and you find keys and open doors and spooky sounds happen, so it's like haunted house. And then you read a boring diary entry and fall asleep. Yeah it's so boring that you fall. Character falls asleep for you as a player falls. Yeah, So it's just a boring horror game. Yeah, I

mean, there wasn't really any horror that happened. I mean, I guess it would be spooky if you went into an old house in the woods, but like there weren't any specters or crazy monsters or anything. Or it's like gone home but garbage. A painting got creepy for a second and then is it And then there was a key on the floor. So I'd like more like a borer game. Oh that's why they made you the host of this ship nice bread for now. Uh what prompted you to take that one instead

of leaving it to young Clctic because we never horror stream today. Okay, so it was just like, hey, let's find something on Steam. Times it comes to that pretty much. Sometimes chefs out and I'm doing podcasts. I've got some other stuff I'm working on that that needs a little more time. Yeah, an, he teases, you want to give I'm personally fairly excited about one of the things that you're checking out. Oh really, yeah, but I don't know if you want me to say what it is or

not. All right, I'm trying so all right, Well, I'll say I have been wanting to play Star since that's the one. Yeah, so kind of wasn't part of it, so it word of it exists. It was it was inexecutable for a while, right where you could load up and then walk around your ship in its hangar. Right, it was just like a customization build out for your ship. Barely that. It was more like, look at this model. You you bought this dulation. Yep, here it is here. It is virtual physical glory. Yep. Uh. Now

you can get in your ship and fly around in the hangar. That sounds super dangerous in space. And uh, you can also do a sort of wave based thing. Okay, so what's not multiplayer in any way? It is, but only if you are in the first like thirty thousand people or whatever. Okay, that put money into this thing exactly. So it has not rolled into me yet for the multiplayer and I'm waiting for that to happen. Did you did you? Did you bought into this or did you didn't

get in touch with them and they liked press access or something? Correct? So what was what were the pricing tiers? Like, like what's the amount of money you could pay money and like own star citizen you get like whatever that even means there's a low one. I think it's like thirty bucks. You can own it and when it comes out, you get it. You get a ship. Just here's the game. Yep. Get in the alpha

or the beta. You can pay a little more. I think it's like forty five bucks to get into the alpha, in the beta, the beta, I don't know. And then it goes all the way up to like ten grands. Oh yeah, no, I've heard of people putting ten grands into the thing. Yeah, it's the world of like, never put a ceiling on how much you'll let a free to play player pay for your game, because they some of them will pay ten thousand dollars and take their money

and it's like they just come out of the new ship today. Yeah, it's like the the they call it like the Racer Class or whatever. It's like a really fast ship. You can use it for running blockades or whatever. Ninety dollars. Wow, what comments below? You just bought this? It's great? What what are you doing with it? Like, you don't even know if you like this game yet? Out it's barely a game,

like can you at least take any fair? There's some pretty awesome stuff in it so far, and the manual is And I'll say, as someone who like professionally looks at games in like a pre alpha stay and decides like if games will be good when they are finally done down the road, I think this game has a ton of promise and looks really amazing, like Pitch, the pitch sounds incredible, and I would definitely wrong, no, and I would definitely put in like forty five dollars to be a part of that process.

It rolls out. But in this period of time, investing like hundreds or thousands of dollars into a game doesn't feel stupid. It just feels premature. It's like, yeah, maybe you will be obsessed with this game, you want to do that, but right now, like why why why? Now? It's very wishful. You can't do anything. You're really banking on this thing not turning out to be a disaster. Yeah, but yeah, if it makes people happy and they have the disposed income, go with God.

Yeah. I mean, can can you take any ship that you can buy right now into that dog fight module? Do you know if they're even ships? You can't even do that with I hope it's the case. I think I think there's like they they ship comes out and it can go in the hangar, and then after they do more work on it than it can go fly. I don't know. I haven't following it too too closely, Okay, because you can't because you're not in that part of right. Yeah, I think I can go do free flight. But I was actually,

uh, we're reading the manual first. It's it's intense. It is more on the side of hardcore flights. Sure, but it's like you can dive that deep if you want to, Like you can reroute power and all this crazy stuff. Oh yeah, why are your ship differently? Yea power from the engines put it into shields exactly. You can also do that with Elite Dangerous, which also just entered beta, if you start messing with that. Uh. Yes, this is this is like a straight remake right of the

original Elite or is it kind of? I think at this point it's hard to remake that game, but it isn't being something more because it's it was just so old. But yeah, yes, it is a space I believe the original Elite guy is working on it, right, Okay, yeah, sure, I think that's the case. I will research before I do the quick look, but yeah, I'm looking at that one too. Try not to get them confused. Similar type of game though, right, like kind

of sprawling space expiration and trade and combat and exactly. Guys, we're going to space this year. It's time, like we're all gonna go to space. Yeah, one of these games we're going to space. Yeah, I think so, I'm into it. There's there's that stuff. There's no man sky like something has to come out. Let's fucking fly around space and just want to fly around in space forever. Always go back to Eve and we'll play some more. There's so quick quick did not want to do that.

That's like E's eva's like the paper pushing version of space flight. We just talking about a game where you fucking rewire the wiring in your space ship. What are you talking about. Eva's like joining the Space Navy and then getting a desk job, getting stuck behind a desk pushing a pencil. Watching Dan play World of Warcraft has made me really want to get into EVE. Yeah, haven't tried before. Yeah, I mean I've always wanted to get into

EVE. I just don't have the the the inclination to devote the time to it. I think if I was on a desert island and I had nothing to do, I would leave. But I have other things in my life. All Let's be honestly, if you're on a desert island, you have internet connectivity, you should get off the say hey, somebody come give me Sang the boat. And they'd be like, oh, that's such a weird LARPing thing to do. Too busy, too busy trading all these space rocks.

They're being devalued as we speak, No man's an island. That's how I feel about Donta too, when I see these people playing and not having fun, but like dedicating their lives to it instead. Fucking hateful game. Yeah, it's like, oh, I love to spend like two thousand hours finding out if I like this game or not. But I don't have two thousand hours. Let me save you the two thousand hours you don't it keeps playing it. You're literally the biggest advocate for DODA that I know. That

you and Mitchie are the two who love data so much. Talk to Kessler about it sometime. I try not to ask him how friendly a game it is. It's not friendly, but why do you play it then, because I have to. Man, let me introduce you to Pegeltwo. Take you down to Pegeltown. It's like the exactly the opposite of Doda. Oh man, the anti Dodae Antidota. Oh that's that's pretty good. I'll give you that one. You might have stumbled into that one, but I'll give you

credit. That's cool. That's pretty good. Is a poison and Peto is the end? Oh boy, well, Drew, I'm I'm excited to see you play Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous. I want to know more about those. Yeah, me too. Space games. They're back, Yes they are. I hope they're not out yet, but they are coming excellent. I also been playing a little more Hearthstone. Okay that the new thing came out, so curse next rest or something? Yeah, Iracus, Yeah, next

next round, block based expansion. I get that reference now. Yeah, do you watch one of the Yeah, what what did you do? Gargy thing is water creature? I mixed those things up. I've not been playing the new content, but yeah, seeing that come out made me go like, oh yeah, I love Artstone. So now I've been waking up and playing at him a bit nice now that it's on iPad. I keep thinking about it. Yeah, it's great. I don't know. I got like

one match into the tutorial and PC. You know, it's just like this spot for me. I like the tutorial. I got one match in the competitive play and got whamped so quickly that I was like, Okay, this is one of those games. Can't do it. Get out. I was getting whamped right after the tutorial where it's like play play the are you talking with the other people or okay? I was just playing against like you know how you can unlock other characters. Yeah, so I play against the warrior

to unlock him. Nope, not unlocked the warrior that hates you. Yeah, he's gonna mess you up. So I skipped him and went to like the uh Shaman, yeah, and somebody else and beat them. But yeah I can. It's got a really good, a really gentle first ten percent curve, and then it spikes pretty quickly after to like but you know, it's because it's like secretly a hardcore game wrapped in sort of like understandable mechanics, which is right, which is great. Uh I And I think I'm

gonna play a little bit more of it when I get. I really like, I'm very anti iPad games where you have to be connected to the internet because I am ninety percent of the time playing an iPad game flying, yeah, like in an airport or like internet, and I love I love tablet games, but like I just can't play games that are offline, offline forbidden, because like I'm can't com the Internet. I had the same experience with

plunder Knots. Did you try that? No, it's it's from Oh my god, I'm I'm mixing up the lineage now it's it's still in Job's Crew. They did star Hawk war Hawk. What were they Lightbox before light Box Interactive, right, and I think they rebranded they became a different but they changed their name or whatever. And I'll move to iOS. But like that seems like a really cool It's like a it's like a space pirates game.

It's like it's it's in space, but it's super kind of piratical. You know, you're practically flying a skull and crossbones on your spaceship, but it's all about like spaceship combat and loot, you know, like looting stuff and getting better gear for your ship and everything. But yeah, like it requires an active internet connection. I don't know I'm saying that that's a bad thing, but for me personally, like I just right, it's like, oh yeah, I want to you know, I'd play that game on the bus

several days a week if I could, but you can't. So it's kind of what they got a cramp our style. They also released they being stone Blade Entertainment released an update to their Ascension iOS game for the module Rise of Vigil, which is my personal favorite module for Ascension. The card game mine too. Yeah. It's quite good. Yeah, but they're also still making soul Forge, which is also still going strong. So I have three three card games. I paid a card games to be going at once. Yeah,

so I just defaulted Hearthstone. It's pretty Yeah, it is that I still do like in person Ascension though quite good. I wonder if they're ever gonna make a physical Heartstone of any kind that interesting like that seems like idea. Is there anything preventing it from being physical? Nor someone call there you go, he's got the capabilities. Indeed. I also played about the first ten minutes of the swapperm. That game is so good. Yeah, I really want to play more of it. I like the art style of that

game a lot. Yeah, it's so good once you get later on at presenting these puzzles to where you walk into the room, you look at it and you see like, okay, there's a red light here. Have you got into the light stuff? Like this light lets your beam through and everything. You'll look at it and you'll look at it for like ten minutes and try to wrap your brain around it, and you'll think this is literally impossible, like this must be a broken puzzle. There's no way this is gonna

work. And you just sit there and try everything for like thirty forty minutes, and then you just have that moment, that like aha moment that like the best puzzle games like Portal and stuff will give you. It's I have no idea why people didn't talk about this game all the time when it came out, because it is so so good. It's a really horrible name. Yeah it fits. That's what you're doing. You're doing swaps between your guys there. I found I found it kind of intriguing the first time I heard

it, the swapper. Yeah, it was like, what what are you swapping? I want to know more that the question piqued your interest yeah, uh, the regardless. I like it. Yeah, I want to play more. Maybe I'll play that. I'm a great looking game. Yeah. Is it on Beating now? It's coming out on is it too? That's that's this week this today. I'm literally every time we say something I am, I'm googling it on my phone and be like, can I talk about

this? Does it exist? And you place your clones with the touched thing on the Vita? I don't know, it seems like that'd be a nice utilization of that hardware. We use joysticks? Well, yeah, I was playing with a mouse and keyboard, right, Okay, so ye see the mouse, So yeah, I could see the sticks working. Well, I'll probably go through it again on pis four. Actually, I want to play it again. Cool, Daniel, Yes, what are you playing right now? I played an awful lot of Last of Us this weekend? Ye oh,

yes, how'd you like it? Still an incredible game, Still one of the best games I've ever played. Still still trucking with the single player. I'm doing a single player, but most of my time I was I was streaming with my sister until like five in the morning, playing multiplayer,

and it was incredible. It's so good. I've never even tried the multiplayer before before this weekend, or before we did our quick yeah you and I basically had our first real experience with the multiplayer in that quick look Yeah, and watching you play it, it was like, Okay, I really need to give this a shot. This actually looks super different than like the standard multiplayer shooter, and yeah, I expect it to maybe stream for like an

hour or two and give it a shot or whatever at home. And then my sister hopped on. We wound up playing and getting on Twitch for a while, and god damn, it's so much fun. It's supertense. It gets that kind of tense like almost like stealth elements down that like something like Call of Duty with a quick responds and everything you don't really get right.

I mean, you know, it's third person, but it turns the it turns the kind of really fast paced running gun action of something like Gears on its head, because like you spawn with your default load out with like seven rounds and you're going, yeah, that's it. Yeah, which you know, I like Gears, but I was never too huge into it. I'm not big into the third person multiplayer, but I mean this nails it right, like like there's no like you don't have a side arm with a limited

AMMO or anything like between your two guns you maybe have fifteen shots. Like yeah, you've got to go around and scrounge for like the same type of crafting. I mean, basically what I like about it is if they they find a way to graft all the like the really like the scarcity of the single player stuff, the survival elements into multiplayer in a way that fits even

though you're still bound by some of those crazy kind of restrictions. You know, it's like, oh, I have to find leads and alcohol and rags and find a corner where nobody can see me and craft the stuff because I

didn't spawn with a Molotov cocktail or whatever. You know, maybe I should, maybe I should boot into and play some multiplayer because I played the hell out of it on PS three, and I legitimately like i've I've seen it in the office and I've played a little bit in the office to like see how good it looks, and it's amazing, And if you have a PS

four and you haven't played it, you should definitely buy it. I couldn't bring myself to go back and play it again, because I don't think like I can go on that emotional journey again, Like I think it'll be too intense for me with the limited time I have right now. But the multiplayers something I didn't dig into a ton on PS three, and maybe I should go in and play because I love the mechanics of that game. I could actually like, I love the way that it plays. Yeah, did you

that could be a good way to do that? Did you do Left Behind on PS three? Oh? Yeah, okay, see I hadn't done that before, so that's I'm totally new to that. I think I'm a couple hours into it, which I hear it's only like three hours long, so probably getting close to the end of that, and super impressed by that. Like I ignore a lot of dealc stuff usually that's really story heavy because there's not a lot of video game lore that I really give a shit about outside

of like metal gear and stuff. But the Last of Us story is this great, and so I really have liked, you know, seeing you know, at least pass with Riley and everything, so remastered is is worth it, even as someone that you know, I played the hell out of the original ones. So yeah, yeah, you know, if you're into the multiplayer, all the extra maps are in there and stuff, you know, like it's it's kind of all the content there is for that game yea in

one package. So it's it's a pretty awesome. Yeah, and it's doing. People seem really excited about it. People seem super into it. So I'm I'm glad that there's another not a Dog game out there for able to play. It's awesome. Ye So yeah, that was the main game I played. Other than that, I just read some books and watched Guardians with the Galaxy. Yeah that's good. Everybody else see then, Yeah, it's

real good. I saw it two weeks ago. Disney showed up some people up here and then I saw it as yeah, oh I missed that. That theaters weird. I was still in Seattle when it come back. Went down, but should have come back. Like I looked at the invite. It was this was for like a press event. They were showing Infinity I think, yeah as well, but they were announcing their comic cons. It was. It was a kind of a press thing. But I've been to

that Dolby location. It was just called Dolby Labs. Yeah, it's like a Dolby screening labs. Like I haven't been there in years, but it's like a it's like a just like a part like part Delby Museum, and like, yeah, it hasn't changed in years. Yeah, it's like kind of old. And for some reason, like the pre show they had, they gave Vin Yaki, who was texting hello by the way, uh he, they gave him a microphone and literally it sounded like he was piping him

out of like a single mono speaker under the stage. It was super garbly and I was like, isn't this the fucking Dolby. And so the movie started and I was like, if this movie sounds like it's coming out of laptop speakers, I would be super happy. But then I was super loud and defending it was great. How big was the theater though, Like I can't imagine that forty people? It was a little and I really wanted the only thing they would have made it better, and then I and then I

got a rocket raccoon figuring afterwards. But the only thing I would have made it better is if we could have had at any sort of snacks inside, but we could not, so I was a little like I watched garden Zi Galax this weekend with some popcorn and a soda, and I was like in movie heaven and watching at that time. I really appreciated it and I had a good time the entire time through. But I was like, really hungry. You were there to watch a film? What were the seats like?

Fine? Okay, yeah, I mean like fix not rolling shows. They were boys, they were not I wanted a couch experience would have probably, honestly, I've been I've been away for a long time with them with no snacks. I saw the only movie I ever seen like that was Spider Man three, which everybody hates, so it's like whatever, but I saw it at uh At. So many pictures in there, like Executive Screening Room, which is again like thirty forty seats, and you feel like somebody when you're

in that thing, you know. Yeah, it's like important people see movies in here. This is where like a small number of VIPs come to the upstairs of the Kabuk. They're not watching a movie, they are screening it. Yes, so that movie is really good. Yeah, people should go see it. Yeah, that's fun, really well cast. Everyone put the roles really well. So I hear Vin Diesel is the Tree. He's the Tree. He's pretty great. Now. Dave Bautista is uh drags, the

destroyer and as crappy of an actor as he can be in wrestling. He was really good that role and he was maybe my favorite k fantastic. No, he's the guy. He's the big muscular guy of the Guardian. Really the non human that's a professional wrestler champion. Oh he is, he's not no longer as he came back. Is he making a Dwayne the Rock Johnson the like transition. Well, he's trying to the world. I mean this this role will probably be like the his like I mean, it's probably the

biggest role he has. I mean, and he'll be in sequels and if they're ever in the Avengers stuff or whatever. Yeah, he doesn't really do that much in the movie Caught Like. He's not like some crazy overpowered like, he doesn't have superpowers. He's just like a melee combat kind of guy.

But he delivers some of the most deadpan like. One of the things about his like race is that they basically don't understand nuanced idioms or subtext, so he just responds to a lot of things to like that will knock over my head. I will catch it and they're like, no, that's not over your head, Like the joke is over. He's don't worry about it. There's a lot of a lot of banter with Dave Batista. Yeah, or maybe that's just how he is. I don't know. It could have

been all ad libbed. He might just not have gotten the joke. He's a big dumb guy. That's what I've been flying. Yeah, so there's that. Yeah, good movie. Well great. I'm not a big comic book guy. I'd never heard of those characters before, like the trailers and the casting started, but man, I went in not knowing much, and I really liked everything about it. It's the first summer movie that I've really enjoyed. There haven't been a lot of great, big movies this summer.

It gets crazy now. Ninja Charles is next week. Dona A Plan of the Age. I did see that. That was pretty good. That was real good. That was so serious. I mean, like like explosion movies. Why, I like, it's so serious, But it's about angry monkeys. That's what's so awesome about those movies. Yeah, you're not wrong? Is it very straight faced? That's all I got? All right? I called Zodiac, motherfucker? What on the phone? Why would you do that? Wait? He has a phone. He tweeted his phone number and he

said he was taking calls, and I called him. Was he streaming the calls? Uh? No, I think Jeff was teld me he just gets burners or whatever and occasionally like tweets. Is fine, ever, said, I guess Ryan apparently called him. Yeah? Yeah, so does he speak in all caps? Uh? He seems to be that guy. I mean, I mean, he said he was very drunk. He sounded pretty drunk. And we talked about how is okay, no accent. We talked about how both of our dads are postal service guys okay, and we talked about

how cool Jack Bower is. And it was a very pleasant conversation with Zodiac. Motherfucker. Yeah, that's super weird. He didn't believe it was me at first. He listens to the podcast then yeah, and then I think he realized it was me. Is he in the Bay Area? Is that confirmed? I think he's in Detroit or something. Okay, Yeah, yeah, but I would say you should just hang out with him. I bet

we'd get along. I would watch hang out. He got mad at me about my terminator opinions with Outside of that, I think we would get along. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I prefer to live and let live as far as terminator preferences go. I'm not going to condemn you, thanks, Brad. I'm not gonna respect you either, condem yeah, sure, all right, Well brad Man, I don't know he's been playing, Bradda, have you been playing? Bring it up? It's not just that? Is

it not just that that we had our our entrance into the creation? Yes, you know about it. I watched the stream. Oh that's right, Yeah, you tuned in for I watched you playing mediocre Doda. Oh come on, I mean, I can't tell. I just I saw people clicking around. We went clicking on things and getting their right clicks on, and we went to a third game talking about the right click of this character, and I'm like, guys, this is doors we went. We went to

a third game. Yeah, I saw you tweet We're going to a third game and off caps. Yeah, because we were. We were coming off of a seventy minute game that ended in a bass race that came down to a margin about twenty seconds. Wow, so that's dota. Imagine putting seventy minutes of your life into something and having it all decided by like one possible misclick. Yeah, wow that sounds Did you win? It's incredible? Yes we won that? Wow? Oh great, Then it must have been really

rewarding. It kind of was. Did you feel like everything was for nothing except for that last click? It was, but we were already down a game and the best out of three, so if that game going south, that would have been it. So we're fighting for our lives, you know, and then and then having it be that close, like I had wides to stay, end up, walk around the house for like ten minutes, get a drink of water. I thought I was gonna throw up, like

I sincerely, I thought I was going to vomit. Do you ever catch us? Do you ever catch yourself in the mirror in that state and just think about it? What's never? It's never. It's never like that when you're just playing pub games like with friends or whatever. It's like, how we lose the game? Whatever? It kind of you said that pressure of like at least a thousand people they were watch a lot of people watch in

the tournament. And then let's also like we're fighting for our reputations are on the line to some extent, Who are you who are you playing against in this? They were all they were all up a team from Square Nex Montreal who seemed to have played quite a lot of DODA because get back to work, because they were rotating and smoke ganking and running an aggressive trialane like they knew what they were like you're saying there, they played a lot of door

together. They clearly have played quite a bit, whereas you guys are like a hot we play together here and there. And also we did not practice at all for this thing. Practice, man, but it is double elimination. Oh we're now, and we're down to the lower brackets. From what I heard about the record, but the the international that doesn't keep you out

of things at all. Sometimes when the lower bracket come all the way back, Oh yeah, which strikes me as not how most sports I think we're well, you know, it's you know, most sports don't have a loser's bracket where you can come back at the top. For professional sports, yeah, you know, only the good ones lay sports. I understand every park tournament, I ever went to head double elimination. I can't believe you countered

me saying most professional sports don't have is with the pog tournament. I went to head double elimination. I was trying to think of what reminded me of double elimination tournaments. Doda's back in poc form. Yeah, okay, all right, I played POGs. I don't remember there being enough structure to have a tournament of it. Yeah, Like like trading card places would always have tournaments and stuff. There's always the I forgot what they would call the surface.

There's always some plastic thing with a wizard with an eight ball or something. And then you put the one guy brings his poks, the other guy brings his pocs, you put him in the pile. I think it's the same amount of POGs, like fifteen and fifteen. But what's the problem, John, image? Is there something you'd like to share? Pass image of Dan record show to a magic tournament with pugs and just like slamming magic decks over and over again. Let's have people be like, that's not what we're

doing. I'm not a dork. I didn't go to magic tournaments. I went to pog tournaments, John's Power Rangers POGs, My Wrestler POGs. Wizard in an eight ball, by the way, is exactly what would be on a slammer. Yeah, yeah, And I had a really cool slammer that I had a rubber backside that smells like bubblegum. And hang on, can you mix POGs? Could you like play wrestler POGs against Power Ranger puss. You don't have your POGs, don't have to stay injurniverse park POGs. Oh

yeah, there's no continuity. There were the happy meals that came with Power Ranger POGs, which was just the best thing. And so I had all those fucking cardboard like, I don't have a I don't have a fucking clue how you play? Don't us at place we should last some pos? Yeah, I'll bring my POGs. I don't play POGs with you. For the uninitiated, how do you actually plays the way you do POGs is? Yeah, so I bring my fifteen POGs or whatever. You bring your fifteen fifteen

am down on the dumb thing with a wizard. And these are, to be clear, about a one inch a little one diameter cap, but they're they're the actual POGs themselves are like thick cardboard, right, yeah, they are. And so they'll have something on the front and it's almost like like a baseball card. There's like an image on the front with like maybe like stats of some comic character or some horshit on the back, and they're slammers. So i'd have my slammer, you'd have your you get your fifteen paper

discs fifteen. I mean, I'm just as sure it can be any and then maybe and then you're you're you're you're slammer, which is made out of something more dense. Yeah. Mine was like hard plastic with like rubber back, with like little divots for your fingers something. You could really hurt somebody with it. That sounds like, oh yeah, that sounds like a prograde slammer. It was a good slammer. Yeah, not regulated right, well

yeah, maybe when you get straight out of the carbon fiber. Yeah, industrial design of Some people had metal slammers, I remember, And then you would have to have slam it onto the stack because they would all be stacked facing up and you'd slam it on. And so some people would go like straightforward and try to hit it like at a certain angle. Some would turn their slammer sideways and throw it down that way, and whatever one's flipped up

or flipped over, right, you get to keep those. And they actually they banded at a lot of schools because they considered a form of gambla. His kids would bring him and play for keeps. Yeah, you lose the ones that you lose. Yeah yeah, I mean that's if you were a serious the way the way the game, the game just works out, like whoever collects them wins, but Marble, but in the in the meta game, like you would just keep the ones you actually won, right right right,

these are mine. Now, get out of my get out my playground. Yeah. And then the kids had hundreds of the like they had remember kids bring tubes as long as their legs yea to school? Yeah, I mean, Zuka, if you ran low on POGs, you just go out and buy more. Yeah yeah yeah, pieces of cardboard. Yeah, I can't imagine. They were they were sexually pricey. No, they were a huge fad, so like they could charge. And there was Trove TV that was the other one I've never heard of that. I had a lot of

Trove too. Were they compatible? Yeah, they're just fucking cardboard. No reverence for the sports that you didn't want. The name originates from Pog, a brand of juice made from passion fruit, orange and guava. The use of pod bollock has to play the game predated the game's commercialization. It actually originated in Hawaii in the nineteen twenties or thirties, and possibly comes from Menko, a Japanese car game very similar to Pugs, which has been in existence

since the seventeenth century. This brought to you by the Pog Minute, uh, sponsored by Wikipedia. All right, so Dans, so we got we got hang on to the plan, John Drake's Pizza A Minute for scandals, bathroom a minute? Yep, Dan records Pog Minute. Yeah, yeah, I like pog corner. Yeah, if I can, if I can come up with a thing, we're gonna have like four whole minutes of content the Doda hour every week. Okay, there you go. Yeah, so you

were playing Doda, yes, and you lost this tournament. We're in the lower bracket and this is how long does this tournament go on for? Another week? Is it all weekend days? It's probably gonna take at least a month. Okay, so it's a video game, have fun getting to hear about it. I was surprised though, like I didn't actually know that many people who were in the tournament, Like I thought to be more personalized that

I've crossed. I knew you guys. But yeah, once we opened up some ups, and you know Kessler's on our team, right, Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, you should ask him about it. I know he's I know he's affiliated with your team, but I assume he just sits in the base and yells things about fruit. It was a fun time. Yeah. Yeah. Once they opened up sign ups, like who, a bunch of people came out of the woodwork from different companies that we didn't

have any idea played Doda. I'm psyched for that. That's a weird game. It's it's like I was meeting, like I met a couple of producers on different games at E three that came up to me and they were like, hey, you know, senior stream, I also love Doda. We should play something like Magic the Gathering or Dungeons and Dragons where it's like, oh, when you know that that, when people know that you are part of their thing, they can come up to you and not be afraid of

saying Doda. If you were single and you met a girl at a bar who you were like, let's say marshallly attracted to, and you find actually played Deata too, would you propose her on the spot? No, you know you don't think so, like that wouldn't be your life bond that you'd be like, we are clearly compatible because we both love this game play. But I'd say, what's your position? Are you or like a two? That's such an intimate question to ask. Is a pickup line? Yeah?

Yeah, she told me. If she told me she was a one good game, we'd have to No one gets this joke, but you so, I hope you're enjoying it. Yeah, okay, uh yeah, it's you know, it's it's it's immediate. It's immediate and unending conversation topic at that point, because you could talk about Doda for years and never run out of the thing. So you're saying it's good hogs of our time. Yes,

okay, exact it is exactly as complicated as POGs. I am going to show up at the next international with Doda POGs okay and just be like, Yeah, I'm here to play Dota. I don't know how it hasn't happened already. People sit down and be like, we're playing Doda. I'll bring these POGs out and they're like, what, I don't need a computer, don't you understand? With like icy Frog and we've invented this game. He was playing with POGs, Like bullshit, it's like analog Doda. Yeah,

icy Frog? Right, Freezy Frog? No, Freezy frogs? What you call him? Goddamnit? Ice Frog? Ice Frog? Yes. And then I also have been playing a bunch of Rogue Legacy, okay, even though I got like halfway through it last year. Uh, and like I wanted to finish it, I just got sidetracked and and it seemed like a good excuse to get back in. I want to say, for anybody you're listening to this, who was making a cross save compatible game, Uh huh,

look at Rogue Legacy. Yeah, it's pretty great. Like it actually works yep, like should like I feel like I feel like that stuff could have been a lot more standardized by now than it has been, like some games make it like so the reason this one is so good is that every time you fire the game up on a new platform, like again, a system you haven't played it on before. Like the very first thing you see the second you start the game is like, hey, you're saved on the system

and is blah blah blah. It's like it's not as old as the one in the cloud. Do you want to just pull down the cloud one? And you hit yes and it immediately loads in your game from the cloud, like no having to like hunt through options menus and find like a sync option or something like that. It's just like very in your face getting your progress up to date. Like I've been playing it on two different PS fours and

a Vita and it's sync by progress perfectly every time. And I think that most people the use case is probably a PS four and Vita, right, Like I think you and I are in like the rarefied era of like I have a PS four and my girlfriends apartment in my office and in my apartment, and I have two Vitas that are in my office, and and like the idea of like I need cross save to work on these five devices,

like most developers are probably coming. I can be like yo, sure, but yeah, but the idea of being on a poppet, you know, right out of your right outo your Vita as you're leaving the house. Totally. I mean, that's you know, that's the one The one thing you have to keep in mind is that unless I guess this would work over three

G if God forbid, you have a three G VTA. But otherwise you have to remember to think you're saved, God forbid what like, It's like it's some sort of crossed to bear to have, I mean, connectivity on your device. It's a great feature. There's a reason there's people. There's a reason. There's a reason all those discounted bundles they were pushing were three G models. I can't find a Vita bundle. I had to steal one

from the eye. No, I think they all sold through. But but yeah, yeah, when they did that, when that Walking Dead bundle came out for a big discount or whatever, they were all three G models.

That's nobody bought those things. But point being, you know, you have to remember before you walk out, like if you didn't be if you didn't save, or if you didn't think you're saved, and you were like on the bus and you're like, oh shit, all my progress from last night didn't cary over because I forgot, but it's actually funny that you can use the cross save to circumvent not having cloud saves, Like, I mean, you should have PlayStation Plus anyway, because it's pretty awesome, but it's worth

the money if you didn't. For some reason, I think crossa has worked without it. I have, and you can seek saves between multiple PS fours with the cross ave things. I would never know if it worked with that because I can't imagine a world where I didn't have play Station Plus. We're a great feature. You should definitely go spend money on right now play Sation Network Store. Yeah, it's actually pretty that's the shill in me, man, I don't. I also just don't know the answer to the questions.

Also, this is kind of nitpiggy, but I don't think Rogue Legacy looks as good as it should on the Vita. There's some weird scaling going on with some of the sprites and the text and stuff, where things look like chunkier than they should in some spots or some of the text like kind of it's it's hard to explain. I don't really it's not Alias exactly, it's just things don't look scaled right for that screen. I have not seen that where it doesn't look as sharp and as nice as it does on the TV.

But well, that, well that part's probably category true because well it's a different you're saying, it's in a way that looks like it's it's not like an optimization issues like something's wrong, something is, something's a little offen. I haven't experienced that, but I believe, but it's it's it's by no means a reason not to play it on the Vita. Go play games because it plays well. It's good video games platform. It's a good video

game or whatever platform specifically sounding. We're all about peace, love and video games. And here maybe I guess turn on those lava lamps. Man, let's do this. Oh yeah, how do we not have this lava lamps on it? It's not nearly hot on how we got this far with them our lamps on? They are fully powered up. Yes, okay, by the time we end they may be bubbling. All right, Great, that means we can talk about the news. Is there any news? There is

news this week? A lot of it is sony oriented, So I'm shit can't wait to hear how sidestep that I can't wait to hear exactly how glib you are about these topics. Uh, but we'll get to that stuff. Yeah, all right. To my mind, the biggest story of the week was EA access. Uh huh yes, Uh, so EA is rolling out. If you guys didn't see the story, he is basically rolling out, Like I mean, it's very rudimentary. But the comparison being flung around is

sort of a Netflix style subscription service for EA games. Yeah. I think that's probably an over in concept simplification. It's it's it is a it's it's a it's not all a card. It's just you know, flat monthly and then hey, you get access to these games. But to start, it's only four games. It's a few from fourteen Peckel two. Two games already worth It's worth like five games though, right A fef of fourteen Peckel two, Madden twenty five and Battlefield four are the first games only on Xbox One

at the moment, and it has not rolled out yet. I think they're just now announcing it. Yeah, I assume they were announced at Games Got my surprise, dy annouced so early. Yeah, I don't know if it was about the leak or something, and they're just like, hey, we gotta get this out there. Looks like so it is, Uh, it's four ninety nine a month, and you also get subscribers. Early subscribers also receive a ten percent discount on any end all quote unquote e A digital content.

Yeah, on the Xbox One. It's pretty cool, which shadow that. Yeah, Yeah, you know, I guess if you were if you buy a lot of if you're buying a lot of EA games, like they may pay for it. Yeah, it would, it would come close. I guess. I don't know. It's like, it's great that somebody's trying this, like the terms of this specific implementation or maybe a little iffy. Yeah, to the point that Sony basically came out and said, yeah,

we didn't think it was good enough to have on our platform. I believe this statement was that the value of the consumer is not We evaluated the EAAXO subscription offering and decided that it does not bring the kind of value PlayStation customers have come to expect. Yes, I did not issue that statement, or you're doing it. I just remember reading it on the website. We don't. Yeah, they talk about you know, PlayStation Plus memberships are up more

than two since launch PS four blah blah blah. We don't think asking our fans to pay an additional five dollars a month for the EA specific program represents good value. So, you know, terms of that stuff being, it's still being hashed out and hopefully that offering will improve, because like, I don't know, are they saying this is a trial run for these four games, like this is a beta and they're going to expand it wider or so.

Actually I had missed this part, but yeah, it says that apparently they rolled out a beta version to a quote small number of Xbox one owners the day they announced it last week, and I'm guessing that's mostly like from the tech side, to make sure, hey, they're actually giving access to people who are paying for it or have permissions because yeah, you got you got to get the hooks into the Yeah, it was not like that from what I I don't know for a fact anything, but I would guess it

was probably you know, a few thousand people, not like tens of that's right, right, very small scale only on Xbox One. Yes, currently as of know, you know, that could change. Yeah, so when you could circle back arounds like hey, we became a suddenly we think it's good value now. And you know, they didn't say anything about whether this would come to Origin, where they obviously have way more control over their stuff. Yeah. In fact, they have all the control over their stuff.

Yeah. On Origin, when you say it like that, it feels like it would be I mean, like in some in some respect when you when you phrase it that way, you sort of think of it is like it is like the PS plus of Origin R right, where it's like, oh, if you sign up for PS plus, you get free games every month that you get to download and play. Uh, and you know there's some

general like discounts or appropriations for other pieces of content. Uh, And you think like on Origin, the excess would be exactly that, right, Like on Origin you'll get some free like sort of legacy titles you could to play and some new upcoming exclusive Yeah, because they do. I mean, like Rickert was looking at all those old Commanding Conqueror games a few weeks ago, like they have a lot of they had a lot of legacy EA stuff on

Origin that they could be rolling that would makes sense access to. Yeah, I mean I'm excited to see people testing the waters here like even if this particular offerer is not super appealing right out of the gate, but who knows that, or who's say somebody else won't come along and make it more competitive. You know, for me, I already owned those four games, so

sure, you know, value to me was not immediate. So I'll wait to see if they keep announcing cool games that are in that like play as much as you want rights as an individual consumer and not as like an employee of a large organization would be like, oh, I would consider checking it out, but right now, like I have all four of those games, I've played them for hours, right and so also the biggest thing that gives me pause really is that it's it's being implemented in a publisher specific way and

not a platform specific sure, because you know if if all of a sudden, it's like movies offt has one and Activision has one and and you know, you name it, it could be a lot of subscriptions stack and all of a sudden, yeah, that's a lot of whereas you know something like you know, like with a Netflix subscription, you're getting like a probably as

much content as like a normal working person can watch in a month. Anyway, it's not like you're going to Universal movies and boy the universal like you're not, You're not You're not subscribing to Netflix and who Lou and renting movies on iTunes and like blah blah blah, like you're you know, you can kind of pick and choose one or two or the services. Yeah, And it's like putting a cable package together. It's like what you end up bundling

content. And the one thing about EA is that the content they're bundling is very specific, and a lot of consumers do actually know EA like outside it, like you know, law consumers might not be super aware of every detail of like what Usoft does. It doesn't make like, you know, like they made another Rabbids and Just Dance and Assassin's Creator all the same company, but like EA Sports is EA Sports. Yeah like that. It's very like in in the commercial and in the game. In the game, I understand.

So, you know, we'll see if it works. I don't know, it's an interesting it's an interesting thing. If nothing, Yeah, yeah, curious toe where goes? I wonder if this means anything for the design of the games themselves, because like now they have an even greater incentive to make the games have a longer tail. Yeah, like more DLC and stuff.

It's kind of similar to like a PS plus thing, where it's like, you know, they gave Don't Starve to everybody with PS plus, but now there's a big add on coming out, and all those people might buy that out on because they are to have the game right. Yeah, it's hard to say. I guess it'll depend on how well this thing goes over time. It's an interesting evolution of the consoles. Yeah, you know, it's good to see people trying stuff. Speaking of trying stuff, how's that

for a segue? If you're going where I think you're going, I'd say C plus B minus. Oh, come on, PlayStation now is now in open data bar to your now now punning and it's did anybody else tried now? Yeah? Yeah, I A you're giving it a shot. Yeah, we messed with it on on Professional Friday a little bit. Probably do a

video, yes, oh yeah, we totally need to do that. You should sit down with the We have like eighties seven days left on the rentals that I've got get that video done, because ninety days is the longest increment you can buy rental time for these games. Yeah, that thing seems okay, like it's I was way down on the concept of like kind of streaming games I've been burned by on Live before. Yes, exactly, like since

that stuff was first talked about. And even when they were showing now at I think it was CS they were showing it where they were like, all the reports coming out of CES were great, Yeah, it looks great, it plays like very snappily. But they were like, oh, the servers running on is down the hall. Yeah, and they're like, yeah, we'll all the way down the hall, right, you know, like wait, wait, that's not like, is it just an HDMI K It's like

a really long SDI that doesn't count. Yeah. I think the actual tech is a thing a lot of people are skeptical of, and I hopefully that's what the beta like whatever whatever you think of the you know, pricing or durations or any of that stuff, which I know they're still kind of tweaking and seeing it. Yeah, that's kind of where people are getting hung up. So you know, I'd say, if you have if you have PlayStation

and you have the PS store, like go brows. If there's a title and they're like, it's cool to at least see the proof of concept, Like this tech is really working, and that guy Kai crew is like really made some good stuff. Yeah, it's from from what I've tried of it. I mean, we have insane internet in the office here, so that's a little hard to judge. But I did tried it at home on like my Comcast is also a pretty good at home Yeah, but it is a

consumer package. It's nothing out of the ordinary, at least for this area, and it was basically just as good at home as it was here. I mean we played Dead or five, which is like, you know, super fast, yeah, kind of demanding game, and the inputs feel good, you know, it doesn't feel like it's super laggy. Yeah, you can kind of see some video compression if you get right up near the screen, but it works. I don't know why they're calling it a beta.

Honestly, they're taking people's money for it. Yeah, well, I mean that's yeah, but this one, this one very much. It's in the store, you know, it's like it's like it's one of the three major headers in the store when you launch it. Right now, it's a big initiative and there's a lot of games you can get, but yeah, the pricing is kind of the thing. Everybody's like, I don't know, So I'm gonna roll away from this microphone now, you say, what everything?

You want to go to the bathroom now, it's probably your best day. I'm happy to hear the feedback. But yeah, we you know, we looked at some of that stuff on the show, and uh, what is it. It's uh, it's the the increments are for four hours, seven days, seven days, thirty days, and then ninety days, right, and you get it all like pretty much across the board. It seemed like the four hour price was like half as much as the seven day price,

you know, which seems insane. It's like, why isn't the four hour price like ninety nine cents? I mean, what game are you going to do the four hour thing for? I don't really understand, right, I mean, even like short single player games, that's going to be at least five to eight right probably that's I mean, that's basically like a paid demo at that point. Pegel two, Yeah, you get one hundred years of Pegel two. Man. I mean, the intense seems pretty clear to me.

It's the you know, it's like, oh wow, seven days is a way better deal than four hours, even though it's twice as much money I get it for, and like, you know, what's the increase in you know, was that by factor of like thirty or something in time? And then and then the other thing which I had not seen is that I think the most expensive week game we found was Farming Simulator at like twenty five Yeah, yeah, yeah, for three months. My understanding, I don't

know if this maybe you can speak to this. My understanding is the publishers are the ones setting these prices. Is that that sounds possible for the company? May Dudo runs as literact. It's in and office directly next to mine, and I catch like every fourth word he says when when our doors are both open. So I've overheard a lot of pssstup, but I'm not intimately

involved. You're sure that that's right. I'm twenty five percent sure that someone had said those words in some order, but I don't know if it was yes, no or no. Okay. That's there. Also Farming Simulator. I love the idea of being a couple of months and it actually just being like one season. So you have to keep extending from a CEO crop like

it's all real time. I got to reup for fall. Yeah, we did these crops, but I'm gonna I'm gonna take my rental offline, let a bake for three months, and then in spring, I'm gonna go back in there. I gotta, i gotta re up for the harvest. You know. But like, seriously, I wonder if you could do that, Like if you paid for seven days and you let your subscription last, would it keep going in real time and then a week later bought it again,

would your plants still be the shit? We got cicadas in the fields. Yeah, you've got to maintain that. I have no idea. That's a really interesting question. I mean, I think the difference there would be if whether or not the instance that you're spinning up on like has a save files sociate with it, or does not have a save file social with which it must right, it seems to be tied into your account, I mean, is when you launched the XMB, it's got like a stripped down version of

it, and you can go see your friends list in manage save. Even the trophies are popping out. Yeah, the trophies get sinked. You can see those on the real PS four system interface. I mean obviously the save is sticky for now. Yeah, because I'm in the ninety day rental period, and of course you know you're gonna you can't like erase your progress every day. Yeah, you're gonna keep your safe between consoles while the rentals active. I mean, yeah, the question is once your rentals over, does

that stuff still stick around? So to your point about why it's abate, I think it's a bet of for the questions that you're asking, like, are these the final prices? Are they it's the final model? Are we working with publishers that you know, make adjustments, are listening to consumers? I think the answer is from what I've heard again literally mumbled through the wall of my office, it's like they're legitimately like curs, Like no one's ever

done anything like this on this big of a scale before. So they're just interesting those prices mo. Yeah. In fact, probably taking the story I'm looking at here, they took it straight to him and shryer probably yeah. I control up yeah and asked if you know, hey, the price is gonna come down, and they said, yeah, this is uh jack jack

Jack user user, I don't know if those buster my neighbor Jackie. There you go, okay, glad you're here to get our pronunciations right when you pick up because his like his mouth is obscured by the wall of the office, like Wilson. Yeah, yeah, he I basically live in Hume from and I'm basically okay, Tim to man Taylor, that's pretty good. Yeah. Anyway, he said, you know they took it. They're taking in a lot of feedback because people were kind of raking them over the coals over

the stuff. And he said, yeah. As a director, result of the feedback, we're going to soon introduce titles starting at one ninety nine sure, uh hope to offer users a wide range of price points shoots from encourage our testers continue to tell us about Right, So I will rephrase that last thing as like, hey, if you have feedback about this, or if you're really excited about it from trying it out, but would like it to

be different, like send constructive feedback to people, like tweet at PlayStation with constructive feedback. If you're just screaming like I'm out of it, it's like no one's gonna be able to hear you, so try to be you know, focused, constructive. I know that the team working out is working really hard on the technical side and on the account side, so I I'm hopeful that we can make PS now a really cool thing. Yeah. Yeah,

it's probably the first step in that process of making sure it works. I will say the hard part was the tech, and it seems like the tech is in place, like that's solid. Yeah, that's good to see. The rest of it is the rest of its fluid. Although I was I was gonna say, like I said, forming simulater, it was the most expensive thing we saw on the video, But like I'm looking at this now

and apparently one Fantasy one twenty thirteen is forty nine ninety nine. It's like the only reason at that point to get that is if you don't have a PS three. Yeah. Yeah, Also, there will probably be an F one game out for the PS four soon, so maybe just wait for that twenty fifteen. Some of that stuff is insane. That's crazy. That's the price of a full retail game. But yeah, it does. It does seem like it's fluid, and again, the pricing stuff is those are things

that can be addressed through businessing. I don't know through the tech which is which seems to be on point. I don't know anything about what's happening next with that at all. I just know that those guys are good guys. Hopefully people will get a service that they really want. It's okay, I'm not gonna hold it against no keep asking me this question. I will. I'll find new ways to say I don't have an answer. Hey, when's the PlayStation now? I'm gonna get better drinks. Why does it suck so

much? All right? And then also I want to talk yours a little follow up. They were kind of needling up about why it's only PS three games on there so far, and the response. We are also currently considering measures to offer original PlayStation PS two NPS four titles in the future, but at this time only PS three titles are being offered, so you know, I mean, this's basically kind of like everybody expected when this was announced.

This seems like the way to solve the backwards compatibility problem. Gonna play smugglers run my PS four. I guess you could do that. There's there's a lot of good PS two games out there, It's true, Yeah, I guess The biggest question for a lot of people is if there will ever be a way to kind of authenticate previous purchases with this thing and just play versus and you have to use your PS two discs. That would be the dream, right if you should put it in like a like a legit retailed disc

and play the streaming version like that would be amazing. It would be you know, they're able to charge you for it, that's the thing, you know, And like, I, you know, I can kind of sympathize there. I'm sure they're a massive R and D and infrastructure costs associated with this thing. So my job is to do what you're doing, which is like I walk around the office going like, but why can't it be this?

And then you speak for the users ninety five at the time, they're like this really simple reason why, like that would never ever technically work, And you're like, oh, okay, but everyone's in a while they're like, oh maybe, and that's it's not a conspiracy. They just they just have a little laminated P and L in their in their wallets and the like, yeah, do you know, and there's no business works and I'm like, no, I just want stuff to be cool. I want cool things.

Make them. Yeah, so yeah, we'll see where the thing goes. But you know, kind of like the A access stuff, like it's cool that somebody's trying this. I pick a bad week to come on this podcasts a Sony topical week for Yes, apparently it's it has been going that way, Sony Man. They're good people. Yeah, they things. Really, it's really on the up and up there. You are mad at me for saying something that I don't realize I said in the past ten minutes.

They're all good people who I hope no that I've only been on the job for four weeks. We can talk about the PSN hack again this week. Oh yeah, yeah, one's my one's my settlement coming in. Fuck you did that last week. I listened to that podcast. You know my identity was stolen. I could prove it. Yeah, okay, your identity Dota two Master Brad Shoemaker file for a credit If that were my actual identity, it'd be fine with it. They did a Dota two credit card, would

you sign up for? Uh? Didn't they do one for They did one for League? You earn they really? Yeah, they're killing League sponsored visa card yeah, and it gets you like end game like in yeah credit Riot points you only you can use it for anything and then you buy well there's but there's you can only spend spend it on league stuff. You know, it's just the one. No, no, no, I think it's no. It was a credit card. Like if I had the star Wars.

I have my star Ward card and my my American Express for star Ward Hotels, I buy a burger and then no, no's what I mean. I mean, I'm talking about these Yeah, I'm talking about the rewards can only be spent on league. Yes. The reason I say that is that if it were a Dota card, that stuff would come in as Steam Wallet funds, which means you could buy anything Dash money, anything on Steam itself game wise or on the Steam market with that credit. So that would be a

really used credit card. Yeah, yeah, that would be it would Steam. It would effectively be a Steam credit card, even though it's a Doda on it, which like that would actually be super useful. You can have that one game, kick that one over the fence. Who's to say it's not already. I wouldn't be surprised. They got economists on staff. They do what's the details of the GameStop one? Aren't they announced? So that's what it was? Was that what it was? Doing? A credit card?

Yeah? And I heard they have like crazy rate. I didn't see that story. Is that yeah? Worth talking about? Yeah? No, why don't you bring up the PSN thing again from last week instead of doing your research for the news. This is why I'm in charge of the BombCast. Guys. Remember when TSN was down for like two months? Two months? Did not work here? Then? Remember when online only games came and went in that two months. It's okay, Drake thinks way better now,

I think so. I am not even joking. Things are way better. Things are good. I'm gonna get yelled at. Don't even say anything. Oh, I'm sorry, whatever it is, what it is, break, I really wanted to play so calm that week. Just just acknowledge that you would have said these things anyway even if I wasn't here. Maybe stop twisting the knife. I don't really like socom. Well great, oh boy, let's move on to cheer your news, shall weep? A new guy who's

ready for their weekly check in on the business doings of Krytech. I thought you said this is gonna be heavier bred because I think this is I think this is like it's happy if you want home Front too. I think this marks like the the one month anniversary of talking about Crytech business stuff every week. Deep Silver bought cr R no Deep Silver to not buy Crytech. Deep

Silver bought home Front from Krytech yep. Okay, so you know all the previous troubles where people making home Front too in the UK, We're supposed to be not getting paid and people started leaving from that studio, and then then Crytech was like, hey, we're paying them again, but a bunch of people had already left. Uh. I don't know if this is the cash infusion that Crytech was talking about in that statement, but they sold the home

Front rights to Deep Silver. When I when I saw that story, my first thought was like cool, that sounds like home Front, will you know be coming out? And that game looked pretty good. When I saw three and come Front two starring Johnny Gett yep, and then and then like b like cool. I hope that gives them some more runway to figure out whatever transition they're going. Yeah, because Crytech is kind of in a weird spot take them at their word on the like weird transition a being coming up,

you know, content publisher. Yes, I guess so. I mean they're doing all those free to play games that I had never heard of before E three when they had a big booth showing all those free to play games, which was kind of shocking. I was like, Wow, you guys really diversified in a rapid fashion. Yeah. I haven't seen him yet, and they've got that thing going on. But then like they're their main graphics guy

left the cry Engine team to go to software. Yeah, and this this strife is happening in the UK, Like who knows what's going on that come. But anyway, it seems like home Front will happen. Ye, Deep Silver will will it into me gonna mess up Philadelphia? Uh yeah, everything I've heard about that game sounds cool. Uh yeah, I mean I Jeff with Jeff's not wrong that it's like it looks very much like Crisis three but home Front. But like, and that's not I don't think that's a bad

thing. It was. It was fun, fun to play when I saw it. Cool, So hopefully it'll be great. I believe in Deep Silver they do good things. Yeah, you know, they've maybe doing a few questionable things with the Dead Island property here and there. That can be your opinion. I'm okay with that. I'm excited for Dead Island too. They did your job. You didn't say it's for four out there? Yeah man, that game was good. Yeah man. So yeah, well, you

know, we'll see where the stuff goes. But it seems like it's at least in progress. It's a development. But then more Crytech News really headline Crytek USA's leadership quit last week. Yeah yeah, so yeah, they they have clothes to their Crytek USA studio, which I didn't even know they had. And if you guys were familiar with that, yeah, what is I don't even know what they're Texas, No, no, no, they were making They're making Hunt Horrors of the guilded Age, which is the four player

co op shooter like Left or Dead style. It was a D three Okay, it just says this story just as Texas. I'm not sure which city they were in, Texas, yep, but I guess it was a thirty to thirty five person studio and the bulk of the studio is now gone, including the leadership left and they were moving development of the game to Frankfurt,

where Crytech is based and the lot the basically the line Texas. The line that was going around that was kind of getting everybody up in arms was the Critech was basically saying like, yeah, we're moving development, but we're giving everybody the chance to come continue working on the game in Germany. Okay. It's like, yeah, great, I'm sure everybody will just uproot their families from Texas and head over to Germany. A man had moved to Germany.

Yeah, but you're dre You're you're you're Drew. Yeah, you're crazy. Fair point. Yeah, So this was I guess this was actually all in the wake of this. This Texas studio was also not getting paid at the same time as the UK studio, but that was just not making headlines. And then I didn't. I actually had missed to this detail in the in the home Front story is that they've also closed the UK studio. They're actually moving development of home Front two to uh well not home Front two because that's

the Deep new Deep Silver studio right home Front the Revolution. No, yeah, I mean Deep Silver is forming this new studio to continue working on that game. Right that made up made up of former Critech you came play, but it wouldn't be in Frankfort. Oh no, I guess stuff in Germany. It doesn't say where the Yeah, I mean their Coke Media is like based. Yeah, but I thought they were building a new studio in London

to do it. That may be the case. I'm not seeing where the new studio will be here, so maybe that will not be super disruptive for those people. But yeah, you know, ongoing saga. Hopefully good games come out. People land on their feet if they're leaving or or having their jobs. Yeah, I did say that. The story I was looking at did say that's a bunch of a bunch of the people in the from the Texas studio that we're just place. I've already found new jobs elsewhere. Yeah,

that's good, so you know, see how that stuff goes. I remember meeting hivat Yearly Yes se him, ye, head of head of Critech CEO. He's the guy, yeah the Crytech is one of the early brothers. Yeah, uh German. And I met him at that Crisis Too event in New York. Yes with you, yes, And I said nice to meet you in German, and then he responded like, assuming I knew German. So they're like, it's just a paragraph you of German. I'm like, I did, That's way too much for me. I took two classes

and literally googled how to say nice to meet on my phone. This is my concern with going to Tokyo. I've been listening to immersive Japanese in the car, really trying to like not learn Japanese. That's never gonna happen in battle languages, but just get like to the point where I can say thank you very much and like excuse me, or order food and not feel like a total idiot. No, I literally don't have anything here. I started,

I started like yesterday. But all I'm concerned about so whenever I've gone, I speak a little German, a little French, litle Spanish, like enough to go to these countries and have like to order a sandwich or whatever and ask what the bathroom is. And then I go there and everyone always answers me back in English, and I'm like, look and tell like, I know that I suck at this, and I know that you know I suck at this, but can you like just point and not be like it's

over there, dumb American, which is basically what they do, and so that's I think it's that issue is the tone, like it is like an eye rolling like yeah, okay, you tried to speak our lands. Yeah okay. I mean in Germany it's usually just like we all speak English. I don't know why you're speaking Germans. I had that experience in Germany, and it was a very business like like that didn't even acknowledge that I tried

to speak German, like they deficiently answered and gave me the information. Sometimes you also get people to just want to try out their English on English. That's true, that's true. But I'm Japan makes me more nervous. I feel like there is the place where I am most likely to think. I am saying like I would like to order some sushimi and in fact be like your mother is made of automobiles, something completely random because the pronunciation is so

important, and I'm just like never gonna get there. The crowning sheet achievement of all five of my trips in Japan was the time that the maid tried to come into the hotel room and I politely asked her to give me five minutes. How did that work? She understood. I'm trying to remember what five is in Japanese and I can't remember. I was super excited. Can you say that now? I'm not going to Yes, but no, No, that's four? Damn it? Go what No? I was go?

Oh? Go is right? That's right? Got okay, it's confusing. Go means five and I can't keep it straight. Yes, literally go in English? No, man, Sky is coming out on PC? All right, in case you were worried, I kind of shocked anybody what was like in any way and doubt of that because nothing doesn't come out on PC. Oh, yeah, that's true. I thought the wording at the Sony press conference was console exclusive, right. Isn't that how they phrased it? Right?

And when I think that's the difference which you were thinking, always means when you say it's a console and right when you say it's console exclusive versus a console exclusive, right, like it's exclusive to our console in the world

of consoles, versus it's exclusive to consoles instead of PC mobile. And or maybe the wording may have been like will I don't know, we'll ship first on PS four or something like that, but it was not the definitive like this is a PS four game type of language that you would expect if it was just a PS four game. Yeah, but you know, people people were still not people are still squeamish about the idea that it would not come out on PC. Sure, but it is glad that it is. Those

guys are really awesome that games would be fucking amazing. Yeah. This uh came out of Edge magazine. It will be out on PS four first exclusively. We'll not ship on PC the same day. Any idea about the delta I'm trying to find. No, they didn't go into details. I'm trying to find the quote about it that's shakeout it is. I'm not saying I'm not saying the quote. But they did say that there is some small exclusivity window before it will come to PC. But I don't think. I can't

imagine it'll be super long. Yeah, just get a PS four man or is there's that? So Sean Murray, Sean Murray, our our friend overt Hella Games, was talking about it and it's kind of interesting. I mean, he says, he says, unlike most games, the actual hardware really affects what we can do in terms of the richness of the worlds and things like that. It isn't just adding a veneer of resolution or extra anti a leasing options. It has a real effect on what we can actually do in

the universe. So that did be more charming by the way he is. Yeah, he is like such a joy to talk to because he's like so like, That's the thing I love about those guys is they're making one of the most incredible looking games ever and they're so super humble, yeah, and down to earth about it. I've never met him in person, but watching interviews with him makes me nervous because I'm like, this charm is gonna crack

at some point and he's just gonna like stab a hobo. That's what I kept waiting, Like he's just been bottling up how nice he's for years and he's actually hates things, but he just seems like the best due yeah, or just like oh, they know they're the ship and they're doing amazing stuff. They're just this is just some kind of act to like make everybody love them. Though. I think they're totally genuinely just like kind of charmingly nerdy,

like really hardcore tech and like a tiny team. But I don't understand. Yeah, I mean they're so experienced, and I get how they've they've built other big games, both as Hello Gains and before, but like but like, man, it's it's just not that many people and they're making a

lot of a lot of stuff. My understanding when we when we met the initial four person team way back in like November, when they were first coming around pitching this game, like I remember I saw you that week and you were like, I can't tell you what I saw, but if blew my mind. It's the biggest game of all time. Yeah, that was fun watching people speculate about because it wasn't just us. Everybody seen that. Timo was like I was like I showed oh yeah, let's yep. Keep telling

yourself then. But my impression when I met the four members of that team is that they were all coders, you know, like whatever else they were doing, Like everybody was like programming parts of that game. It's not like, oh, I'm just a design guy. It's like everybody is in there, and you know, like they were talking to Y three on our live show about like you know, they're reading a lot of academic papers, like they're on the forefront of a lot of this type of content generation in the

way that they're crazy sig graft ship. Oh yeah, yeah, the way that they're automating a lot of you know, they're you know, obviously they can't hand make millions of planets. I saw a cigarette video to day that was high definition SloMo video of a plant, and it is the video was silent and they in the room had a loudspeaker that played the tones of Mary had a little lamb, and they were reverse engineering the sound in the room

that was causing the vibrations in this slow motion camera on the plant. And when they when they like reverse engineered it played Mary had a little lam like they basically from the visual only from seeing how it it made the plant leaves move, they could tell exactly what the tones were in the room. What it was incredible. I don't understand video, no, no real time. It was like they studied the video and they like basically rebuilt the tones,

okay from just like the way it disturbed crea. What is that? What is science? How does any of us make any sense? They're they're they're they're generating, they're judging the song from the visual data. You're a CIA agent on the other side of that glass is our two KGB agents and they're discussing their plans right also captive, no, no, you're spying on them. Oh through a window. Through a window. Also, like right in front of between them is a plant. Okay, so you film that plant.

Why am I filming the plant instead of trying to get if you have this special awesome stuff. So you take the video of the plant, run it through this craz whatever crazy algorithm, and from the vibrations in the air that have moved the leaves of the plant imperceptibly, you can then extrapolate what

sound was happening. So they have their backs to you, they're talking towards the window, and they're talking about this is plant in front of them, and from seeing how the plant was moving, you can basically tell what they said. Oh weird, right, to be fair, two way conversations maybe a little more high resolution than all. Yeah, like, but but thats actually explained the concept of simple melody. But that was good. I just made me think of sneakers immediately. Do I kill them? Yeah? Do

I get them? Sure? Yeah? Okay, you kill them? Not not really relevant to this anil, But if you'd like too shure, it's going like a pretty cool spot. Pick him up and put him in like games By anyway. Yeah, don't fret that game's coming to It's gonna be so good. It's coming to Peace Space. I just I yes, I hope so yeah, damn it. I'm not counting on that game to be out this year like and Started. Isn't either like maybe Elite Dangerouses or First

Best Hope perhaps to go to Space. But I bet those other two games are ways off. I'm more I'm more curious to see if that game ever comes to Xbox, which game No Man Sky, because a lot of things would have to happen for that to happen. You know, they'd have to at least give it an exception on their dumb parody release clause, if not just retire that thing completely. Also, you know, like Sony would have to allow that to happen in some way, like business wise. I'm not

I'm not asking for comment, I'm a shrugging going on. I'm gonna say anything. I'm just that deal was done before my time. I'm just you know, I'm excited for No Man Sky. Yea everything, yep, just hold a banana in front of his face, so eventually give up. Any pointed out, don't make me eat another orange, but another ghost. Another thinks they're ghosts. He's the best. It's quite down Tom. I said he's the best, Like he's gonna listen to this pod. Threatened to throttle

him before I left the office because he was driving me crazy. I want to keep that animosity up. Philadelphia game stops are now fingerprinting people who trade in games. Yeah that's crazy. Yeah, that's the things pawn shops have done forever. Okay, well but they're that's the policies. They don't want to become the pawn shops of like stolen games being traded for spoiling the story. Damn, yeah, that that is the that is the case that you

know, making sure they're not Dan record. I've never stolen a damp thing in my life. No, but you are you telling me you never game stop? Yeah? I did work. Are you telling you never traded in a game? You got to get a different game? You never traded in the review copy of this Someone threw your way back to gain stop? No? No, okay, no, we weren't allowed to. I mean, I know you're not allowed to that's why I'm asking. Yeah, no, I never try to catch you in a lot. You give all your games

to Amazon? Yeah, yeah, there we go Amazon dot com. And what did you just buy with your trade in money? Sucking Drew with his he's got this crazy Jedi trick to where he, uh, he can make me buy anything. Apparently he made me buy this book that I don't even know what it's about, huh about Old Man's War? And then you just made me spend two hundred dollars this morning on a Savio Vega machine or a sauce lito maker or what s saucelitoca Savio Vega? What I'm guessing it has

to you have to be talking about suvid Yes, that's it. Yes, but even fucking I'm I don't know. Sato is a place wait can't wait to get. Salvio Vega sounds like the dude who played like role from Street Fighter combined with Vega the careac crac crac A couple of beers. I'm gonna saucelito me a couple of steaks. Uh No, it's some crazy thing you put into a pot and it magically makes like you know, what's sueven on

this podcast. Here's why it's amazing, though, is because I've always wanted to make just tons of meat at home and eat it for all my dinners, and I never do because I'm afraid I'm gonna kill myself. I try to cook meat because I don't know how to cook. But Drew told me, you just throw it in a bag and a pot and you throw this magic wand thing in there, and then it makes perfect meat. Yeah.

I'm just gonna eat nothing but meat. You're aware every night, You're aware that it's not gonna have any like it's I'm gonna describe it in a negative way. I am pro suvie, but I'm describing a negative way. First, it's gonna be basically like gray, like not colored like a steak on the grill colored. And then you'll cook, you'll cut it, and it'll be perfectly temperature. I don't give a shit what it looks, okay, because it's not just what it looks steak. It's not just what it looks

like. It's not gonna have any of that nice like see her on the outside. You know, I think I'm not a picky guy. I just like to eat it just a big hunk of meat. I think you'll live. It's edible and it's meat. I'm gonna like. I mean, if you want to see her, then you see it. Yeah, that's all you gotta do. Yeah, that sounds confusing. You just actually buy a blowtorch and see you serious? That sounds like a great you can do that. Yeah, I'll do that. You just you know, throw it on

a skillet for like ninety seconds. You have some sort of like the money you paid Dan back if he dies in the first six months. He's trying to check in some creative way. Yeah, we we rented him on PlayStation. Now it's like we got ninety days to see how he works out. You're digging now, this podcast got real mean since Jeff left, trying to invite more guests on the show than just give him ship the whole time. Oh I don't given Sam Common this kind of ship. Yeah. Oh yeah.

That was kind of the long and short of the story, though Dan Dan had it that like the game Stop actually put out a statement saying like, yeah, it's a process we've recently implemented in Philadelphia at the request of the Philadelphia pd UH also put into place on other parts of the US, depending on local or statewide second hand dealer or pawc. It's just it's just kind of existing pawn type stuff. It's like pawn laws being applied to a

story with freight ends, just regulations. This is how Home Front two will start. Yeah, it'll start with the game starts regulating and then they'll turn out it was all was it North Korea in that game? Yeah? Yeah, they'll come in, they'll say we'll remove the game stop fingerprinting thing. Everyone's like, yeah, great, corn in and they're like, oh, it's a slipper slope m And that's how you end up with Italitarian states and hovercraft guns. I think there were some flying guns. That sounds good.

I remember all right, last story bio Shocks coming out on iOS. Yeah, I am very skeptical. Yeah about what about how it plays? Because you've got your two thumbs doing your lateral motion and your looking motion, and then you got to shoot and you got plasmids. Yea, it sounds like a lot of things for your thumbs to do. Who's got two thumbs and a portable copy of bottle Shocks? This guy? Goddamn ye I think they?

Yes, I agree with you. I think you have to like move your thumb to press the shoot button, which is weird or or yes, what I would do? You have a second joyce stick on your right thumb

that you moved too, that is also look and shoot. So whenever you're on that second joystick, if you are shooting, and you can like constantly shooting, yeah, to totally redo like the whole ammo that that would be tough, Yeah, because you'd be shooting before you even lined up your shot, like you'd be wasting, Amma. You'd be lining up your shot with with the non shooting joystick and then you just go walk no your look. I wonder if you could like paint targets and then shoot. I don't know.

Let's see, I don't want to play BioShock on a tablet. I don't I want to play BioShock on a controller on a tablet, So that'd be fine, like just like I want to play it wherever I want, because it was fine. I like Bioshot. So so shock News got to play this thing. I saw a little hands on site. Wasn't it announced like three hours ago? Yes, it was announced. It was announced yesterday.

And also they kind of did this thing in disservice because they were teasing it for the last couple of weeks, going like BioShock is back, like when Tony Hawk was like, we're making a new Twitter account, like be making something new, what could that be? And then hey, it's just part of the first game to iowas. Thanks. Hopefully some people who didn't play BioShock will get a chance to. Yeah, I don't know with one

of the best games ever play. But anyway, I mean, if you can read the Shack News right up if you want to see they describe their controls. But they did say it plays okay with touch controls, but they said it plays like you would expect if you use a Bluetooth controler, so that there is that if you want that option. But apparely, the graphics have been noticeably downscaled. Yeah, they had to take out like reflections and shadows and stuff like that, Like you know, there's water. There are

a couple of screenshots in that story characters light. Yep, it's just basically unfinished swine with no game. Plus it's just a white white screen. That's why the controls. Who's being mean now? What to who? It's not somebody not in this room, but okay, that might be listening to this Who whoever made this game port iOS kelvin sad somewhere because of you. Yeah, man, it's gonna come back to haunt you someday. Sure, my defty business with them? With who you keep saying them like, it's I

don't know who you're talking about. It's not making the eyos splor No, I'm talking about future games. I have no problem with the BioShock iosport go crazy, all right. Well, with that out of the way, I guess I don't know what you were. Yeah, it's it's a weird release, and I wish they hadn't built people up to think that something new might be happening. Although I don't know that I want another BioShock game, I

M I don't know ever, like not for a while. I don't have to call it BioShock like I I was kind of bummed at first, and just BioShock Infinite being BioShock like. It seemed like that could be a new ip just as well. But yeah, sky City USA, Dan Record Cruising USA, BioShock Infinite cross over, Okay, into it. I'm listening sky Hooks, Bikini Modles waving flags. Let's do it, all right? Wow,

where were you making the game? Okay? Kind of crash catch all right, that's all the news, really not positive news that you sort of led me to believe. It's all the news that's fit to print. Well, that's what I had to work with. You know, I don't make the news. I just read it. But you know what you do make? What's that email emails? I don't make those either. Oh I just read those. Man, What do you even do? I'm just kind of

a mouthpiece, you know. Put some words in front of me and I read them out loud, yea such as, oh man, there's a lot this week. I don't even know where to pick or where to start. How about Wow? This guy? This guy included a explicit instructions in all caps, bold italics, red colored text. Wait did you say these are their emails? Okay, thank you, thank you, Drew Music, I need to hang out. It's okay. I'm just triple checking what I can't

read. It's color coordinated. Not exactly read the red text, but after the blue text. Okay, I can't read his email address or the name of his firm, who ever firm? Okay, weird. Okay, here we go see a lawyer. Hello, most esteem jianbombcast crew. In your July twenty nine, twenty fourteen podcast, you talked a short bit about when The Rock tried to change his branding to just Dwayne Johnson but was not completely successful in doing so. I would like to point out that my full name

is Cameron Dwayne Johnson. Holy shit, my middle name is from my father, Dwayne Johnson. No, not the wrestler The Rock Dwayne Johnson, but a much more formidable opponent, Dwayne Johnson, certified public accountant. Back when The Rock was trying to rebrand, one of his representatives actually called my father and tried to purchase his domain name www dot Dwayne Johnson dot com. Amazing. Apparently they did not offer enough money because my father still holds the domain.

See my email signature, blow is evidence. As promised, I will not actually say the name of his firm or any of the contact information, and you can probably just go to Dwyne Johnson dot com. Well, now, I don't know what's at that site, but I read the email as written, so I think that's fine. I don't know, I just think it's kind of that's cool, It's kind of funny. It's great. You know that joke hinges on saying the name Dwayne Johnson dot com. What that

said? He shouldn't have sent the end. Uh yeah, how we get there? Wait? What is what's happening here? Just building relationships, building value, Dwayne Johnson, A little little brush with the rock. That was his catchphrase when he was a wrestler, building relationships, building value, stone cold. Here we go with emails. I'm just fighting an accountant right now. I'm talking. Yes, great, you want to No? No,

I give you a minute. No, No, it's great. Multitask Okay, here's an email from Brian, subject line THHQ st up with them? So what's up? What's Q? Your t h Q? Where you ATQ? What's up? Liquidated assets? So that's actually the question. Okay. Today, while browsing the Xbox Marketplace, I noticed the Red Faction was on sale, and that got me wondering, Now the THU was bankrupt and dead,

who controls the menial shit like sales of their digital content? Is it some sort of debtor consorum that controls thus ruins like a puppet trying to finagle the last few dollars out of its remaining franchises, or is it the individual company that bought the Red Faction franchise, did anyone even bother or perhaps a shadow THQ skeleton crew operating in a storage container somewhere in Nevada being forced into

slave labor until their debts are paid. Saudis, First of all, if you're gonna work at a storage container, you should be on a boat, because, like being Nevada, the storge container just means you're cooking. Yes, you probably wouldn't last time long, or you have arcade machines. Yeah, either way, I thought everything got bought up, you got it out.

So the answer is like someone owns whatever you're thinking about from THHQ, and it's probably a combination of those things you just said, which is like specific EPs were bought out, Yeah, moved over, like Crytech took home Front, which then now has been sold a deep Silver. This is why, like making video games that have come out in the past, it's actually really difficult sometimes and then there's some sort of debtors consortion for like remaining IP

that was not sold up. That's why I read this email, isn't I

could have googled this probably don't. I don't know the answer, but I can't remember what happened to Red Faction because I know that was one that seemed like it was not really a lot of interested parties in that one, Like if you remember, THQ itself had made a big show of saying like we're going to retire Red Faction for a while, this is no longer a priority after that last one tanked, And I don't know that anybody bought that one up, So if it didn't get bought up, then yeah, I don't

really know how to answer that question, but it may have gotten I think Norriic Games bought most of the remaining THQ stuff. Yeah, and I think that I thought I thought I saw a story and this is I have no edit. It's true out that the Nordic Games is like publishing things under the THHQ name. That's kind of weird or like they were able to do that

if they wanted to. I don't know. It was confusing, that's a little but these things are like this is where like doing quote unquote like news reporting about an industry is really weird because like that information is not all really transparent and easily available, and also to be completely fair to the end user of a game, like it doesn't really matter ninety nine percent at the time, you know, but if you're really into video games, you know,

sometimes the ins and outs of the business side can be kind of fascinating. Oh no, it's it's it's an interesting topic. I'm staying like the information is like, oh, let me just go like find that on business Wikipedia, where like all these things are reported by I don't have any reason to tell you, you know, right, as long as if you're paying your money and getting the product that you're promised in return, that's kind of the beginning and the end of the transaction. Yeah, I'm just looking. I

don't see anything about like a clear answer your question. Yeah you check, John, I thought you were still look at Daye Johnson Dwayn Johnson has no idea he did all the book keeping for It's not it's not asked Dwayne Johnson dot com. It's not like he's gonna give you anything you want. I'm sorry I was not asked, Dwyne Johnson dot com dot somebody has already signed up for that now exactly in the last five seconds. Uh. Jack has a simple question. Hello friends, if I have children. Am I allowed

to name them after all the different Mega Man bosses? Yeah? I mean allowed is the wrong word. You're allowed to probably legally fucking don't. Yeah, services, especially if they're girls, you know, I guess Calash woman. I don't was there can only get around to having a one of the newer ones splash one. I didn't realize that. Jeez, flash girl, I think it was a woman. Yep. Uh, still don't do it.

It'd be kind of cool. I am not crazy. Uh. In June, THHQ, the trademark for T was acquired by Nordic Games, and they said that they would be publishing games under the teaching Wow, I didn't know that a story I'm polygone by Charlie HALLI said that, Wow, I am not making that up. Nordic Games like it is t HQ in a in a manner of the name, which which means, I guess if you have questions about about a piece of IP that has not been clearly stated,

I would go as I guess. So yeah, they kind of like when infagrams became a tary way back win and like if you want to know if you should name your kids after the Mega Man crew you should talk to Nordic Games or Dawyne Johns. He can also help you out at g of COURSI building the list of help him. Yes, they will take your kids away though if you name him something weird, well they's. There was a there was a family in Australia that named their nude Warren daughter Tallula does the hula

from Hawaii. That was the full first name. That's Australia and I'm gonna make you from Australia. There's a kid named turrok to win that tur Rock competition back in the day. There's a kid named stone Cold. I know about that. You can do that. That's those are cool names. Rock and stone Cold, Yes, tur Rock. No one is listening the kid

named tur Rock stone Cold Rock Dwayne Turroc Johnson. I would watch. I would watch The Hunter, Dwayne Johnson riding dinosaurs and in business business casual casual Fridays. Holy shit, wow Wayne too rock Yeah, joke of the show. Hey I did it, Bill writes in subject line doing my part, Hello Giant Bomb crew Sands, Jeff. I thought I'd give Brad a slight assistant his hosting duties this week. The email addresses BombCast at giant bomb dot com. Damn it, I need what is it podcast? Bombast? We've

all have been doing the show for like eight thousand. I don't pay attention to that shit. I didn't have to say it. It's bombcasting child. Thanks Bill, that's an amazing troll. I remember that. One of these days I flagged it because I knew I was gonna forget all Right, Taco Bell fire sauce. Yeah, Taco Bell fired the sauce. No, no fire sauce. That's their hottest sauce, right, isn't There isn't a tear above fire? Right? No, No, it's just fire. They have

a regular hot right mild fire. Oh, there's no medium. They have the green Verda stuff. It's so hot as medium. And then fire is hot, okay, fires fire. This one goes to the left. No, it's hot, it's fire, but call it it is the spiciest. They call it fire. But it's hot on Taco Bell branding. So fire is fire? Can you live moss the dance? Okay, we're gonna allow me to reiterate what David has to say. Fuck you Dan, Okay, that fire sauce isn't free. We have to keep track of that stuff.

If everyone just takes thirty packs with each order, that shit will run up our food cost. Let me ask, what's use Tyler, Use one per item so you can taste the food, you monster. Tyler. His name David, same thing, the same David. Do you have a button on your little register there that charges me for your fire sauce? No? No,

no, David doesn't. It's the middle man here. I can take as much as I want as a paying and loyal Taco Bell customer, right, And I'm not gonna feel bad about David probably works at talk about Corporate and he's look at the overhead cost of all the time. And here I am extolling the virtues of Taco Bell on this podcast, on my Twitter all the time, because it is fantastic food. You San Francisco, Now you were surrounded by the best Mexican food in the world. I'll say this,

I have had some fantastic Mexican food here. That burrito from Las Campanero's thing was great. Taco Bell is still maybe the most would have ever had say it the two words out loud. You should not say, Davie, it's right, you're a monster. I can't. Don't. There's not much really anything better than Taco Bell. I mean, there's a really good food out there, and San Francisco does have amazing burrito I mean maybe maybe if it's

fourth meal and you're really running out its fourth meal bread. Okay, I guess if you're eating if you're watching Star Wars at three in the morning.

There's not a lot of other options. The question is whether meals one through three or also talk about Yeah, you know how good it is if you had the actual like fourth meal drunk in late night Taco Bell and you wake up hung over in the morning because nothing's better when you're hung over than Taco Bell, and you realize way too much because you were drunk, and you've got a shipload in your fridge and it reheats so good it was never cooked

in the first place. Yeah, cooked a perfection. So so you've eaten fourth meal of course, yes, all right, that's every time me and my dad are drunk, he just immediately wants to go through it. We get like taxis that take us through Taco Bell all the time. Clarify you're not drunk driving. Also, we will taxi or uber through Taco Bell that has happened a lot. And White Castle he does white castles in Minnesota. That's amazing. Yeah, I can't all right learn new things every week.

Wow, Hey guys, this is from Cody, long time listener here. I love you guys. I just watched The Last of Us One Night Live and it was fantastic. The talk the Last of Us One Night Live. I guess I could have brought that up in news. Actually, they did a stage reading of like the scenes from Last of Us. It wasn't like it wasn't like all the cut scenes, wasn't I don't think all of them. Did it tell like a kind of a complete story, though, Like,

could you follow a narrative? If you had? It might have been all this, all the cuts if you hadn't already played the game? Did it kind of like flow as a story? I think? So? I didn't. I didn't. I didn't watch it. I was out of it. Yeah, I still need to go back and catch it. I was we I think we were POD? Was it the original actors? Yeah? Yeah, it was the voice actors and all those guys, but blocked out

as a stage production. Wow, with little sets and they even Neil Druckman from from naughty Dog wrote a short little like epilog scene to take place like a few weeks after the end of the game that really they performed exclusively for the stage. It was like Jeff Keeley hosting like a combination behind the scenes look slash live action play. That sounds really cool. The whole thing. The whole thing is up on YouTube. Yeh, can you watch it? Cool, super intense. Yeah, I mean it's you know, it's also

like just a smart piece of marketing for this remastered edition. Yeah it is. Everybody's already talking about the game again anyway, but like it regardless of that new version coming out, Like it's just it's a neat piece of fan service. Yeah, all right. Although I will I will say much like the uh the Steve Aoki concert that they did on Twitch, the Twitch chat of that was imare because all Twitch chats are basically waking nightmares pretty much.

It's like, oh, this is great come by people being like just cursing and screaming at each other. The best is I watched so I watched that Steve Aoki like the first concert they streamed on Twitch, and it was just people doing the little like dude with two arms, dancing emotic like emoticon tesselated for an entire line, and everyone's just posting the same thing to be like I'm also dancing, and I'm like, no, you're not, motherfucker,

you are at your keyboard. We're type with your fingers. Yeah, that kind of chat is weird to me because, like, I mean, chat is almost a misnomer because you were not having a discourse with anybody, like scrolling so fast. You're like you're like screaming into a wind tunnel with like

thirty thousand other people and nobody can hear what anybody else is saying. You just described the Internet basically, I guess so, but this is just it in like kind of something just still like hyperactive form, the Taco Bell chat of internet chat. Yeah, traded goodness, diction, yep, perfection. All right, So yeah, he he loved the one night Life thing and we should all go watch that. Was that the gist of his No,

no, no, it's just the leadend. The talk of the movie has me worried, though so much of the characters identities are tied up with the wonderful formances of Troy Baker and Ashley Johnson in my mind. I love Mazie Williams and Game of Thrones. She's the one that was cast as Ellie in the movie. A yes, but it just isn't quite the same. You know. Previous video game movies have been based on games with far fewer lines of voice dialogue and lesser narratives in general. How do you think this is

going to be handled? Is there a right way to handle it or just something that I'll have to get over Let's get over. It's tough. I don't know. Yeah, I mean I gotta hurt a game, I mean just play well. A movie gets well, you know, I can kind of see where he's come from. I mean some of it, it's practically

a movie already. Yeah. Some of it depends on what they decide to do with the movie, you know, Like is the movie just going to be a retelling, like not word for word, because the game is much longer than a movie could be. But like, are they just going to lift lines of dialogue from the game and kind of like tell the story point for point and beat for beat or is it going are they going to try

to turn this into its own thing? I mean, it'll have to be streamined a little bit right like it, so it can actually be a linear narrative that makes sense, but and they'll be choreography instead of interactive moments which dan to dance. Point like, this is not going to take away the game you love and the performances you thought were great. If you don't want to see this movie when it comes out like whatever two and a half years

from now, and I don't know they announced the data or whatever. It's a ways away, I think, right, Oh, you mean, just like how a Terminator two was the last Terminator movie ever made and then nobody ever watched. If you want me to bring it in, I didn't. I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't see those at all, Hunt, those don't exist to me. Was it the point? Did you actually say Terminator through is up better movie than Terminator two? In one?

No? No, okay, I'm with him on two. Sure, I'm totally movie ever made. He said to Terminated three is better than terminatir one? I did, okay, I just I mean, like, I bring that up because, just like you suggested, I looked to Terminator three and I was like, I don't want any part of that, so I just

show it chose to never watch. I just remember there being a reaction at some point when you were listening to Dan and you were kind of like yeah, yeah, and then he said something you went like fuck no, like abandoned him. It was like you were towing his wrath, and then instead of just pushing his raft away, you like blew it up on fire. Uh in this in the river of the story. So yeah, I mean, if you don't like, I mean, the game is going to be

great, and play it remastered, it's great, go by. It's not going to combine to lead it off your system. If you know the movie comes out, it's a program I'm proposing I suppose though, you know, if you if you like the game that much, you probably want to check out the movie and see what it's like. But you're enthusiasm for something to be to hopefully be good, should not preclude you from wanting it to be made right. In the worst case scenarios, the thing is not good or

not even good. It's it's not even wanting it to be good. It's one to be exactly like the other things that you like. You know, like let's see let's see who else the cast, Let's see who the director is, Sam Rickey, isn't it? Isn't that I missed that? I thought it was like him sitting next to Neil Druffon? Was the photo I saw from comic Really, now I'm gonna go look that up and make sure I'm not making news that sounds crazy. I don't even know what that would

be. Uh, John Jake exclusive news on Twitter. That's my fear right Last of Us movie? The thing we're streaming this live? Just no going back? Oh my god, what's gonna happen? Uh see, I'm worried I'm gonna clicking the wrong thing? Is there? Cast rumor as fucking man live? Googling? Anyway? Yeah? Whatever, Well, let's see what the other particulars are besides you know who the cast, and yeah, we'll see who writes it and in what style they write it and what kind of

story they couldn't try to tell? You know? And if it sucks, who gives a shit? Last of Us is still great? Now you'll always have the game. Who would you cast as Joel? I think Brolin's gotta be the go to, right, really, Josh Brolin? I got to see that? Yeah, yeah, the guy for that because I'm shuffle's kind

of an old character. He's like mid forties, right, Yeah, well, I mean he's probably like at least mid thirties because he was a father with a like almost pubescent daughter before the outbreak, and then you jump ahead twenty years, so he was like mid thirties in the beginning after the outbreak. Yeah, he's okay, you know, hey, man, I got

you Sam, pretty great hair. Doesn't mean you're in fifties, all right, he's producing in that trap Okay, Okay, he was on stage, but yeah, that's why I misunderstoodble Okay, Tomakam was a busy week guys. Yeah, I like that choice. That sounds he'd be good. Yeah. Sure, he's gruff, he's taskiturn or he candy. He's an alcoholic. Yeah, he gets in a bunch of fights and stuff. Hear about it on TMZ. Yeah, wow, Dan's hero cool, gets some fights,

drinks too much. Something to aspire to Dan's been talked about TMZ. That is trip. We'll talk about that later. Uh, speaking of public figures to aspire to fuck, jose Canseco just ask Dan Reicher that the hole email it might as well be It's from Michael in Kansas City, jose Canseco

was a dick. Dan can tell you this. Every time I hear that roid fueled, talentless mush mouth talk about baseball steroids or dissing my hometown Kansas City Royals, I think to myself, what soul sucking demon gave jose Consaco the right to live? Then I remember that Dan wrote entour book about raising more money than jose Can Saco. I wrote two chapters. Okay, a

lot were contributed from Kasey Malone and friends. In the A I failed on the chapter I was supposed to did this is this is the greatest crowdfunding endeavor that has ever been endeavored. My question is Dan anymore plans to fuck with jose Can Saco, especially now that you're in the Bay Area and to the rest of the Gabon crew and particular celebrity that has wronged you that you'd love

to get back at. I have not thought about further Conseco stuff because I think I man, I probably got as much out of that as I could. I got he wrote the foreword to Air Force Gator two, and that got me on ESPN, which probably sold a few more copies than I normally would have. And then I made more money by making that crowdfunder that was way better than his. That made me three thousand dollars and got me in a lot of trouble. And then the book itself didn't really sell. But

the whole point was it was a crowdfunder. Sure was that made me a lot of Wait, this guy wrote the forward to your book. Yeah, they were once best friends. No, I always thought he was an idiot. At no point during when didn't he wrong you? He never wronged me. I think I think I think his Twitter feed was classified a crime against humanity. His Twitter feed is terrible and it always has been, And so I would constantly reply to him, just be like, you're you're a fucking

idiot, Like you're an idiot, shut up, no one cares. Everyone thinks you're stupid. Like I was just brutal to him. It's just over and over, And after doing this one hundred or two hundred times, he suddenly starts responding to me, and he's saying, like, Hey, Dan, I see you wrote air Force Gator. How many copies an Air Force Gator? Sell? I was a New York Times best seller? And I was like, okay, here we go, let's do this. Like okay, I start, you know, talking to him. So yeah, of

course their first getting the seals about his book. But so I'm just egging him on. I keep calling him a idiot, and I keep calling him idiot. He's like, hey, man, just you know, trying to help out a fellow writer. Man, it's tough stuff. If you ever need a professional New York Times best selling writer to help you out, I'd be happy, bro. And I was like, all right, fine, what do you got And he's like, oh, I'll write your forward for your next one. It's like, okay, I'm writing air Force Gator too,

right now, how about you write the forward to it? And then I it was a it was a total joke. And I remember I was in Boston, I think, for something, and I got I remember being in the hotel and I got an email from like his agent, and it had the whole forward and it was written by Jose and Saco and it's in the book. And as promise, I put it in, didn't edit for spelling, I didn't do anything like he wrote the forward of the book.

And I don't call him an idiot. And I just kept riding that out and he did his dumb crowdfunder and I did my dumb one and mine blew. He made two hundred ninety dollars. I made like three thousand, three hundred or something. Yeah, he did, yeah, the very first one. As soon as I front of Jeff Gersman one hundred dollars and I think you and my mom were two and three, he texted me, and I was like, done, this is so stupid. Yeah, you, Jeff

and my mom gave me my first three hundred dollars. And I don't have a lot of disposable income, but what we do have we like to spend on the dumbest things possible. I appreciate that. Did you did you pay him, mister Conseco? No, he offered to do it. I just wanted to call him out. He said that he offered to write the ford was okay, fine, idiot, do it, and he fucking did. All right, your life is amazing. Have you ever have you ever met

him in person? No? I want to. Actually, I saw he was in town and recently I tweeted him to see if he wants to meet up, but he didn't respond. I would argue that you should not be co located with us. I would would he would say that's probably a good safe bit. Legitimately, if he wants to meet up with me and Conseco. If you're listening, don't cut Romo rate anytime anywhere. Conseco, Me and you, We get Drew Scanlon, we get Jay Snace Straker, we

get some cameras. We might usus up. Home run derby me and you at actual home run, actual home run derby. No, you pick the picture, you get fast falls. I might get underhand. That seems pretty scary with fastballs. But yeah, home run derby me and you, stadium of your choice. Let's do it. Conseco, start the hashtag, everyone tweet Jose Consaco, Consaco versus Record fourteen. I'll do it. I will have a home run derby against that man showing the conversation arm wrestling competition.

Seeing the question really becomes being on the show and having you asked me all those questions during the news portion and Dan doing this, Who will keep their job in San Francisco longer? Because I'm trying to do it in good faith and I feel like Dan is fighting to lose his job at this is this is a rough town to be unemployed, and I'm just telling you you don't want to be out of work right now. My rent is over like the median income. My boss was the first one to fund this project. It's

true. I think I'm okay. Yeah, well I would say you're okay is probably overstanding. Well, I feel like now it's a good time to read this particular emial. Former Baseball Player Sucks At Crowdfunding now available on Amazon dot com, Airforce Skater and Airforce Skater tam Yeah, it's called Former Baseball Player Sucks At Crowdfunding a time travel adventure. You couldn't call it Jose because I could get sued. And also I use the small penis rule from literature

to make it so I couldn't get sued. Have you heard of that? Michael Critton needs to do that. If you say someone it's based on a real person, if you just keep repeatedly saying like they have a small penis, they can't sue you because they would have to go to court and the guy would have to be like, yes, your honored. That was clearly meant to be me every part of it, because no guy's gonna go on

court and see like, yeah, the small penis thing is true. So every chapter jose Ca and Psycho goes through a different time period and his small penis gets him in trouble. So this was a rule in the prompt that he sent around. Yeah, it has to be a different time period and it has to revolve around how tiny jose can secus I mean former baseball player's penis. It's clearly been missing out on this literary Realdom masterpiece. It's Amazon

dot com, all right, were you bought the CD machines? It's enough self promotion from one podcast, although I feel like I'm just feeding the beast at this point pretty much. But here's an email with subject line Dan, what is up with you? Seriously? What's your fucking problem? Sincerely John D from Chicago, a long time listener who's considering unsubscribing to the show. If you don't get your shit together, Well, John D. It's John Drake, isn't it. He's got a lot of It's John Drake. This

email writer's full of good ideas. I don't know who it is, it just says John D. You know, it's not like there's a picture from Google Plus or anything that like might identify this character. Oh, it's probably John Drake. He's sitting right across the table for me. I actually got through this entire email and like was like this got problem. And then I

looked up at the picture. I wrote an email after driving for six hours and the last three hours I was listening to the BombCast, and I started listening to Dan make declarative statements with no sense of potential compromise or any sort

of nuance or thought to what other people think about things. Uh, And he says phrases like Taco Bell is the greatest cuisine in the world, and you know he knows that's not right, but he will defend it like subject subjectively, subjective, okay, but so talk about being the best cuisine in the world, my favorite, my favorite. That's a different thing. That's a different thing. I will you can submit to that. Came back from that taco truck the other day, raving about that. It was over the

moon about that breed, but desert I on situation. I can have a Taco Bell, or I can have that taco truck. I'm having Taco Bell and it doesn't bother me that you say you would do that, But when you say categorically you know this is a better I'm not. I'm not that dumb to say that, because I realized that that is just a personal preferences that I grew up with, and this is what I like and know, and you can admit that likely a wide overwhelming majority of people would say that

that's a crazy thing to say. I completely understand that. All right, this is good. We are all growing as people. I'm trying. I wanted to send a provocative email in to get this out there, man, because I feel like you can be better. I believe in you. I am so sort of I actually don't believe in you, but I hope for everyone else's sake that you for as many of what the fuck is wrong with you tweets and stuff as I get. I'm happiest fuck all the time.

So I'm not changing any Taco Bell, but you make everyone else hold their face in shock and horror affecting never change. We just want you never That's my point is that I'm ting a great time all the time. John. We just want you to actualize the best version of yourself. Everyone should be like me and then everyone could be happy. Wow. You know who else said that. Nope, not gonna. I can't go on, John, Nope, Dan record Taco Bell, Taco, I got some good So what's

your fucking problem? What is your problem? How did this happen? How did you? How did you happen? Weird? I don't know. I was a weird kid and I'm a weird adult, and I did things in a certain way but always worked for me. So why would I do anything differently? What's your problem? John? Yeah, just let him be d r. Yeah. You have been caught inside the gravitational field of his personality. You're around him all day too much Stockholm Syndromeholm. I'm not trying to

make him be a different person. I'm just trying to temper how being himself affects other people. Maybe it doesn't affect me. I mean that is That's literally the craziest response, perhaps not the most egalitarian way. It's so, I'm fine, it's fine. I don't hate what I do, and therefore I should not whatever. Fine. I regret even trying to make inroads here. Let's move on. People have tried for years, John, We're moving on me at the same fate. Why why do you do this thing?

I can't believe an email with the subject line the long pig is actually going to be a refreshing change paste from last conversation. But let's go so sad. Good morning, says Dennis from Australia, the wrong time of day. In a recent episode, Drew mentioned super tasters. I am one, and life can be hell. I can't eat chocolate, coffee, anything bitter really, which people are usually okay with. Don't like melons either. This weirds people out a bit more. Then if I mentioned that I like my steak

well done, they think I'm a lying madman. Chefs will come out of the kitchen be mad at me. It is my curse. The iron taste otherwise is just too sharp and ruins the meal. All right, Ready for more? Yes, other food facts, he says. So I think that was the end of his super taster experience. It's gonna yell some food facts at yep. Sounds good. I've recently read an article about how the more closely we are genetically related to something, the better it tastes, which explains

why pork is so amazing. Okay, okay, so because I am genetically close to a pig, it tastes good. Genetically. That's what he's saying. Okay, all right, I will continue. Some are super intelligent. Some monkeys have to be like super tasty, right, I'll be the idea. Probably, Yeah, I saw a temple of doom. Can't you can't eat a monkey burger? I'm sorry? Why? Because I said so? Are they endangered or not? I don't know, not in good taste. I'm gonna finish this email. You also spoke about long pig. In a

visit to Papua New Guinea some sixteen years ago. I met some old people who could still remember eating people. They said it was just like pork. Okay, all right. Did you know that in some tribes in Papua New Guinea you can earn respect by breeding a hermaphrodite pig and feeding it the people have a great day. It calls into question everything you said before. I don't know, man, I just I just read them as they come. All right, there's a lot to unpack in the email item. But that

would imply like tex bolls can't taste good. I mean, like you couldn't taste as good as pork. Yeah, I'm not better than I don't know whatever. I'm not sure what's up with that? I'm not related to fucking pizza, am I? And that's the most delicious What if you were man? I would eat my I would eat my family. It's the classic. That's the classic. It's the classic pizza the hut conundrum. Yep, if you're made out of pizza, would you just dying on yourself eat himself to

death? I don't know that I'd be able to resist. It'd be pretty great, all right. Uh? Joe from North Carolina wants to know is PlayStation Plus kind of scummy? What here amount? I think? I feel like that's kind of a loaded or abrasive question, But this is the kind of feedback I'm saying doesn't sound but he's got a yeah, but he's got he's got a legitimate question. Okay, is it just me? Or is

PlayStation Plus actually a raw deal? As far as subscription services go. Having to log in to claim my free games and then only having access to games I have claimed instead of the entire PlayStation Plus catalog is hugely inconvenient. Can you imagine if Netflix worked like this? I give so many credit for being the first to implement a subscription service that people actually care about. But when are we going to stop fawning? Okay, this is this is this is

where he loses me. But when are we going to stop fawning over their scummy policies. It's clearly designed to keep people logging into the PSN store and keep us giving the money even during times when we aren't actively using the service. Games and movies are different. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what business realities may or may not exist around that setup. I'm like,

whether you have you like opt in or not? Yeah? Yeah, Like I don't know if you know, if maybe who knows of developers are getting a cut of every like fake sale that happens, you know, like maybe maybe maybe developers being paid in a pre rated fashion based on how many people actually download. I don't know. I will say that I forgot to download

all the PlayStation Plus games in June and ever created it ever since? Well there you go, yes, here, go on your phone, yeah, and set up an alarm I should, and then just go press the four balls press. The problem is those stupid games roll out over the course of the month unless that's changed. Oh man, you have to log in a play stage Puss like three times. I know, I can't keep up of that. When's first coming out? I keep talking for that. I don't

know. Brady at least got Powerfall and Strider, right, I got those, those are fun games. I miss h I think it was. I mean I was trying to and like Pixel Junner, Pixel Junk Shooter Ultimate or something like that. That just PS three in June. Now those are PS four games. Pixel Junk was PS four Ultimate. It's like a repackaging of both Pixel Junk Shooter games into like one God damn it. Yeah yeah that was June. That was two months ago games. I know, I totally

wanted to play through trying again. I would say that what he describes is like potentially could be phrases like minorly inconvenient. Yeah, scummy. I think it's it's a weird word to use for like, I don't know. It's like, I don't it's it's available to you. It's not exploitative or anything like that, I don't think, which is a way. They're not not in the way that the word like scummy implies. But it is, you know, it is. It does happen, you know, you do,

you do miss out occasionally, and it's kind of a bummer. I thought there was a way to set it down though, but I guess I'm wrong. I don't think so, but I mean there are at least a lot more convenient ways to do it now then having to fire up your console. Sure you know you can do it on your phone, that you can do it from the web and then tell it to download from the I think because I think I pushed it so you're gonna have it ready waiting when you come

home. But you do still have to manually go opt into it, which is kind of it's something you can forget to do. No, maybe that stuff will change. Is some fair critique post posted inside of some pretty victuality language. But okay, that's interesting, all right. This was a great email from John. Is it another email from me? I don't remember writing No, this is joy. I still haven't decided if I should be reading people's full full names or not do that if you know them last Initially,

I've been skewing towards just first names. If you know them. I think it's okay to do it if you want to call them out, But if you don't know them, I think it's first first name and location or first name an Initially, if you want a John yeah, bays is the subject line like baes b a y s Okay, please rank the following bays. San Francisco Bay, Green Bay, Bungling Bay, Michael Bay, Cheddar Bay. What's Bungling Bay? Raid from right on Bungling Bay. It's an old,

real old video game. Okay, I've never played it, so I'm gonna put Bungling Bay at the bottom of list. What's Cheddar Bays? Believe Cheddar Bay are the biscuits from Red Lobs That's what I thought. Okay, then that's number one. I've never had those, but somebody was Multiple people were giving me some real shit on Twitter the other day for admitting to never having eaten the Cheddar Bay biscuits. Oh they got cheese and seven it sounds okay, yeah, yeah, it's worth on the Red Lobster just for the

biscuits. Jeff was telling me about I cannot remember if it was Chick fil A or bow Jangles, where I think it was bow Jangles, where somebody had gone to Bojangles and gotten the Cajun filet and put the chicken filet part of the Cajun filet into a Cheddar Bay biscuit, which is ambitious, which, not even having had the cheddar Bay biscuits, sounds like something I wouldn't mind trying. Also, can't you just buy those things? I can't you,

like just buy the biscuit and the frozen Nile. I think they might have like branded stuff now, should Yeah, they should make some cash money. Green Bay's last, because the Green Bay Packers are the worst. Okay, in my mind, Michael Bay is a close fourth. Wow, he made the Rock Screw. Yeah, It's also made four Transformers movies though, yes, did he do the fourth one? Yeah? Yeah. I like San Francisco fairmoun because I lived here. It's pretty good. I like San

Francisco because it was in the Rock. Sure does that mean it's subservient to Michael Bay in your mind? No? San Francisco is pretty cool. Is that is a nested Bay hierarchy? Yeah, that's the thing is it's like four A and four B San Francisco, San Francisco Bay is A is a necessary but not a sufficient condition of Michael Bay. Yep. So, yep, okay, I follow what you're saying. Yep. I'm forgetting one. Oh that game I don't know. Yeah, Okay, that was it.

No, I put bunkling Bay at last. Sure, okay, hell except cheddar Bay. Great weird prompt, super weird prompt. Oh you know it's just emails? Why Okay? Zandra from San Jose says, Hey, guys, ask Dan why he needs to wear glasses. For the record, his time on Game Informers Replace has left quite an audio trail of idiocracy over the years, So prepare for lots of these sorts of emails. Yeah, there's probably at least a couple grand hours of these type of stories. Grand do

you mean like two thousand hours and hours? I don't know that that works in a nony thousands of hours, probably at least numerous hundreds of me saying

dumb shit, I'm gaming former. Okay, So the reason I had to have lasic and also now have to have glasses in contacts is I had normal ass vision, and then in first grade, for some reason, I thought the idea of glasses were really cool, that it was like some cool like almost like superhero access for They're like, I'm gonna put these things in my face and I can see really far, and I wanted them even though I could see fine anyway, yeah, So I purposely bombed the eye test when

they came to my school, and I just bombed the funk out of it, like, you know, just like i'd see a giant ee. Man. You know, I just bombed the hell out of it. And so they gave me prescription for these strong glasses that I didn't need because I was seeing fine, and I just had to force myself through like wearing these glasses as much as I could or could tolerate for a long time until it just fucked up my eyes. Enough are we talking like yours? This is like

first grade? Man, I don't I just remember, like I wouldn't wear them all the time because it would st hurting my head and I just couldn't see, Like, can you go back and read my email again? I feel like I feel like it's, yeah, this is real stupid when everyone everyone who was like, wow, that's a really harsh thing to say to him, Like just read after this. Maybe if I have one regret in my life, it's it's maybe doing this, because this is your one regrets

I can see have any other one is a pretty big deal. Yeah. Everything else. So as I got older, it's I had to keep getting progressively stronger and stronger contacts and glasses to where I was like, like my contact prescriptions I think were like negative seven, which we have contacts, you know, that's pretty damn strong. And so I couldn't see shit. And so in two thousand and seven I got LASIC and then all of a sudden,

I've got twenty fifteen vision. It's a lasers in your eyes. Yeah, But then it turns of my eyes were still degrading, and so now they're getting down to the point too where I work contacts and glass. Again, it's nowhere near as bad as it was before lasic, But yeah, I basically fucked up my eyesight real bad for life because I thought it'd be cool to have like cool things in my face that made me see far.

Wow. Yeah, that's I guess that's the one regret. It must be hard to be a doctor and be worried constantly, like you know, like basically being a veterinarian, but for creatures that can talk and lie to you like pig, a pediatrician must just be like, I don't know, this kid could be making all this ship up, like you know what, I know he's I'm gonna guess that the majority of people aren't out there like working against their own self interests. In the doctor's office, I thought I was

gonna get me a cool thing. I'm guessing most people actually want to get better. Yeah, yeah, in my mind it was it was an improvement. That's like, that's like those uh, that's like those HD glasses that they were pedaling on late night TV for a while there. Yeah, because those see the world in high definition, strangely similar to the gunner Yeah, like glass. They're basically just like tinted orange glasses or whatever. Or the X ray ones from the back of Mad magazine. Oh no, those work.

You're right through a lady's dress with those things. Thinking about that X rays are clothes based rays. All right, well, I'm glad that we've documented another chapter in the Tale of Reichert. God damn it. It's just like this whole site is circling the Reichert. I would say, drain, but that's giving you too much credit. The year productive member of society. It's like like Slough, it's working out sam as Brad. Okay, someone

needs to be the voice of negativity around here. You're too fucking optimistic for how crazy you are. It's like you're just like happily crazy, and everyone's like that's cute and adorable. I'm like, no, he's gonna destroy civilization. Someone speak up, be the voice of reason before we're all fucking destroying. We have a great responsibility here. And then Jeff is just like just happy enough that you have paralleled diet and wrestling interest. He looks pass everything

else than a microphone. The people can Jeff enjoys watching the world burn enough to let this happen. Should get Matt Kessler and Dan Reichet, or try foods in the or try before and yeah, that's not that's not a bad idea. I would watch that video serious. You can come shoot at our office. We should we should do that. I would do that. Think about doing the record, I would do that at Artbeat. All right, Lee's got a question. So I was having a conversation about gaming with a

co worker and I mentioned that I don't like multiplayer at all. I think it's a waste of time. I'm only interested in single player. When I play a game, it is to escape from the real world, not to engage in it. I find the concept of being decimated by a twelve year old to not be very fun, so I just don't engage in multiplayer. My co workers said that I was the definition of a casual player, and I felt really insulted, and in my mind, casual gamers are people that

play online poker or puzzle games on Facebook. Afterwards, I was mad because I let the term casual get to me. Am I casual because I only like single player games? Or is this guy at cock tard? What in your minds makes a gamer casual or hardcore? So much hard polarized language. Please, for whatever that guy is or is not, please don't use the word cocktard. Yeah, I mean, how about you just not give a shit about a label, like just playing this stuff you like and who gives

the fu there is that? But also, yeah, that guy's kind of being a dick. Yeah yeah, I mean there's plenty of really hardcore single player games like Dark Souls is a pretty serious one, so isda Well, I thought that's a multiplayer. Oh he's single player? Okay, yeah, the all you know, like a legion of roguelikes out there. Yeah, I mean, and any I mean, I guess like his high level definition

of like casual being mobile and social based. Even in that context, there's like core mobile games and sort of like light you know, fun like fun mobile games that are not as hardcore and their mechanics. I don't at the end of the day, like how much you play games, probably it finds what kind of gamer you are, not exact kind of game you play. I guess you know what I mean, hardcore game crush players. Yeah,

all fucking day man. Sure you know, like if you really want to put a label on people to play games like that, I would say they're more mainstream than casual. I guess mass Yeah, sure, you know, Like casual apply to that context, isn't really a pejorative the way it is this guy is using it? Well, no, And I think that's I think that's the thing that bout Dan and I are briskly out a little bit,

is like I just don't really accept casual as like an insult. I don't know, Like there's plenty of games I play casually, Like I played pecal Too pretty casually, and I've played a lot of Pegel too, but I play it for like five or ten minutes at a time. I had really good time and then move on. Sure, I don't know I think it's just play the games you want to play. Yeah, no, totally, I totally agree with you. But he's not being that word you said,

But he is being a little dismissive and a little silly. And to speak to that point, I just want to put this out there. If you are arrogantly looking down your nose at other people because of the games they do or do not like, or like, how good you think they are, adam or something, you might be an insufferable person. Yeah. Yeah, so think about that. Super shitty to tell other people how to enjoy things, says ironically, after yelling at Dan Record like Taco Bell. All

right, I did it for comedic effect. It's worth we know what your intent is. Yeah, trying to say the world. Okay, I like your Lex Luthor. We got no wait a minute. That took me a second. There's a wrestler named Lex Luthor, isn't there Luger? Yeah? Wait, they wouldn't have called him Lex Luthan. Is that what you just said? Oh? For once, I was not making a wrestling that was

That's what that was where my mental disconnect came in. I was like, he couldn't not be talking about a wrestler because it's always talks about books. Yeah, so there must be a wrestler. I thought there was a wrestler name that because he wouldn't ever talk about something that wasn't wrestling. That was a Superman reference first time for everything it was Lex Luthor was the villain after that Superman flot after after Scotty too hottie there also he couldn't be a villain?

Was that a fun loving guy? He does the damn worm? Was that? Was that attitude era? I can't remember when Luther and Grandmaster sex A. I didn't Frank Cristopher. It was going so well. I was trying so hard not to. I was supposed to be a ball. Scott's too hot. It's like, I don't really care about wrestling, but that's the dumbest name ever. All Right, uh Abby from Cupertino. This question has been bugging me, me, I eat my entire life. Let's try

to get through it today. All right. I think it's a pretty obvious question. When you guys eat food that is served in an edible container, like a soup in a bread bowl, a taco salad served in a Christo rtea bowl, or an ice cream on a waffle cone. Do you guys eat the container? I'm just gonna stop you here. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, I argue. I don't eat all of the container all the time. I don't need an entire taco bowl all the time, but

most of it. Yeah, oh yeah you do. Yeah. I always eat the container, but I always feel weird for doing so when I see people tossing the bread bowl, tortilla bowl, cone, et cetera. That's ridiculous. Am I weird for doing this? I need your expert, expert food knowledge. You've come to the right place to help me validate my existence. Yeah, I know those people are the weird ones for throwing that stuff out, literally throwing food away, like delicious food. You just name three

things where the point of the dish is the thing to eat. Also, you're talking to Dan Rager who wanted to eat the corn for the corn based did not actually want to just hypothetically. I want to know, I want to the my that was when I wrote that anmail. It's just be like someone should have said, no, don't do that. You can't eat them. Because saying you can eat them in scare quotes, all he hears is I can eat them, and he's gonna eat forks and he's gonna die.

I'm not gonna feel bad about it. Yeah, you're eat a waffle cone. Of course, that's the whole point of the cone, is that it's as delicious with the ice cream inside of it. That's crazy question. Oh, I love this question. This is a great question. Bad that guy's been carrying that around his hold man. Just you know, it's just like what games you want to play, you know, eat the containers you want to eat? No, no, Brad, No, people will start eating

styro FuMB and they'll die do that. Yes, you can't styre fum. It's made of recycling mysterial. Wait, no you can't. No, No, what I was going to ask him that? What is that? What is that? It's it's sort of it seems like styrofoam. But there's like some kind of edible packing material out there. You don't what I'm talking about? Also made of corn probably, okay? Yeah, like packing peanuts might be wrong? Yeah, go ahead, how about how about edible underwear?

Do you think that falls us and so in this category? No, that's just like fruit rollo's shaped like underwear. Who's that fun? For I don't know, guys selling you the underwdt's save that for later. He's making cash money, all right. I like Anthony's totally interesting question, which is the

subject line of the email, but it really is. Let's pretend for a minute that every video game ever made had a documentary film crew filming the development process from this moment of conception all the way to the developer's reactions to how the finished games were received. We probably won't go through all of this, but what would be your top three choices for games with must see documentaries and

why? The only game I can say I would pick for sure is AKA Enough Time, because I think it would be super interesting to see a development team tread new ground like that, going from top down two D games to three D world on a relatively powerful new machine and having to completely rethink art, dungeon and puzzle designs would be really cool to see. I find that

shit fascinating, et cetera, et cetera. He mentions a couple of other games in that vein for me, Like, for one thing, this question is basically impossible to answer because I would watch or read every single fucking oral history of a games development. I could get my hands on, like as long as it was no holds barred, and it was all the really juicy shit, you know, the arguments that happened in the fights, and like

the drama, because I'm sure it all goes on. The early stuff is the most fascinating to me because they're like solving problems that we are very familiar with, but that they are not so like Super Mario Brothers, like designing the jump and like on top of an enemy to kill it is have you ever think, have you ever have you ever read where he got the idea for the side scrolling platform? It was it was sitting on a train in Japan, Yes, and watching as the train went by, watching the mountains

scroll through the window. That's awesome, And like envisioning visioning a character jumping over the mountains as they were passing by through the train window. That doom.

But but yeah, like for me, yeah, someone is in a book that's Masters of Doom is a good book, Like it's uh, that's the type of the type of thing I would want to read about because that really gets into the personalities of people making the game, you know, and like how they may or may not have been compatible and like what clashes went on in terms of like major decisions being made and people people getting in fights. Clover, Yes, yes, Clover, I'm sure it is a fascinating

tale of adversity and the triumph of the human spirit. I want to watch something about people making like modern modern arcade games, like past the point where arcades were like the thing that we were all going to as kids, but to the point where you're still making like a new arcading crisis for yes, and you're like, what are you thinking, Like where do you think this market is? Is this like your dream because you love time crisis? Is

this the thing you've been you're being told to do? Like I'd let the mindset of that up, or like how much you push innovation, how much you're just making like a thing to take dollars from people? Sure? Sure, I think Too Human would be real good. Yeah, Yes, So

that's exactly what I'm talking about. Like I'd love to hear all the big talk, like early in development about how this is going to change everything and this trilogy is just gonna, you know, narrative experience is going to be like you know, then follow it as the reviews came before that even there was the big blow up when the first E three previews were getting out there, Dennis Dyak kind of lost a shit about it and then the review stuff

and you know, yeah, that'd be the number one any any develpment process with some kind of drama going on behind it, super fast spoilers literally every well, that's what I mean. That's why it's like, that's why I'm saying I would constate crises all that. I would love to actually be the fly on the wall. It's probably the most get to hear all that stuff. It's probably like the weirdly most positive like happy dan Ker World swirling around

the most negative like fighty sad dan Reyker World. Like it's all I'm just think of all in terms of dan Rikers. I don't know, have a fight sad world. Deep inside your turmoil, I can see it. It's like that downburst that you described, but a microburs in my heart. It's your Skyrain bucket in your heart. No, but it's like all every development process is full with like all this drama, and it would be sort of

interesting, but it's also like it's just exhausting. Oh, I'm sure every day, like I I'm trying to envision it, like it would not be the sanitized like you know, they did like a little behind the scenes for you know, The Last of Us or a bunch of a lot of games get that treatment these days, But it wouldn't be the like publisher sanctioned like Soccer in Version actually documentary y yeah, like at a bare minimum, like VH one Behind the Music of Like, you know, it's been twenty years

and everybody's at least speaking candidly. Indy Game the movie is pretty fascinating. Yeah, any game Indie Game is is kind of one of the closest things that I can think of to that Broken Age has some moments. Yeah. So I once the other half of that game comes out, I hope that they sell those documentaries because I want to buy those and watch them. Yeah, but I just you don't want to watch it until the game is done.

Yeah. I wish there was a lot more of that. It's hard because it's like you talking about behind the music as a as a comp for and it's like, you know, you're talking about telling the stories of people

plus there. You know, let's say three manager publisher people from like a record label, right, and so telling the story of like how eight people saw the world and like the and the reviews there in a game, it's literally you're talking about sometimes two hundred three interview r Right, It's like telling

the stories that happen inside of a group of three hundred people. Is like, Hey, why don't you just do a documentary on like the year of height your high school graduating class like four people And you're like, oh, that's incredibly complicated. How do we make sure of thee getting there? Said? I saw a documentary on the crew of the USS Nimits. That's a

lot of people think that. That's the point I think is that you'd have to you'd have to cherry pig like a handful of personalities to focus on and like you know, you have to build a narrative and it's called carrier. Yeah, I believe it. I mean, but that's my point is you're you're building a story. It's not like you don't then learn like the story of this game. You learn like the people's perspectives who you share select out

yep. I would also say building the bastion, Yeah, is that the time when you gave those guys a camera and they fold themselves were like, you give that camera back. No, no, they still and apparently they've been filming. I don't know if that I really I'm sure it's not fascinating stuff. I'm sure it's not the case. But I love the idea that they have filmed to this day, that like they've finished a whole other game tapes. They've been buying more and more tapes. They're like they've got a

huge tape budget. Yeah, they filmed all of Transistor. They're filming whatever, They're doing nothing. They just they just they just will never stop filming until we ask him for the camera back. In my mind, Vinnie just actually has a spam filter stead. I probably Greg has been emailing him at Sam, you never posted anything. It's really fucking weird. While we're shilling

documentaries, I watched there's one that's new on Netflix called Particle Frenzy. It's about the uh, the completion and the activation of the large Hadron collider okay over like four years. Like if you're at all interested, then one of those things where their constant being like this might destroy the universe. No, no, no, they that you know that was a bunch of bullshit. There was not I doubted that it was good. There was no validity to

that. They spend about thirty seconds on that. Okay, but it's it's super interesting to see because you know that's cern is like thousands of p and Switzerland working on that stuff. So seeing seeing inside that world was was really cool. Was the one that just came out about baseball but the only independent minor league games I saw. I forget the name of that thing, but I saw that described Yeah is in Oregon. Yeah, yeah, I saw

that. I wanted to watch that. Yeah, really really good artisanal baseball in Portland actually locally, locally sourced. Uh. A handful of more emails? Really, I could weeks just stop, no, do whatever you want, then keep going. I had a lot of emails this week. I feel like the volume of email is increasing. I judge it by the number of pages in the in the Gmail interface. Yeah, it's like six pages

of emails this week. It's a lot. Yeah, apologies to well, I should say thanks to everybody who writes an apologies that I can't read everything. But we would need an email only podcast for that. And now that I've said it, fuck, don't do it. Everybody's gonna ask for it. Do it daily stream where you read email. Several of these that I pulled actually are sort of Jeff appropriate, So maybe we'll hang on to those. Yeah, we can rull over, but I feel like we should finish

with an email called Barkerville. Yes, let's dig in, Brake, I need to hand you hold of something. Did you ever, by the way, watch the video we were talking about? Yes, okay, yes I did. It was pretty great. So you know what we're talking about, the song and the beautiful concept Rice. It is so beautiful. Drake is holding in his hands the book. Yes, Yeah, that book showed up in the mail a couple of weeks ago from discoverer Trybomb, user of tests.

I ract sent that in. I'll let you thumb through that, but I'll read this email first. Uh. This is from Joe. I intended to send this email after watching the Vinivania when it happened, but totally forgot until the upf last week. Barkerville once the largest city north of San Francisco and still preserved as a tourist location. I live about an hour away from it and worked there as an actor. An actor. Yes, it was

one of those cities. Awesome. We should go there. We should go play that song in the middle of that town that if you want to talk about unraveling in the universe, let's go do it. That's the singularity, playing with forces you don't understand. Dan asked if the book was a D and D module, and that's not far from the truth. For the people that work there, everyone has to dress in period appropriate costumes and serve various

roles. He spelled roles with two l's, but I think he made they serve roles when they are playing roles day less total is it to think? I think he means the other kind of roles and as a role, Yes, they play their parts. They are playing parts. Yes. Aside from civilians. The town is a fully functioning blacksmith general stores, restaurants, bars, a theater and stage that has live shows, and many other period attractions.

Next time I get out that direction, I'll be sure to send you guys some candy and trinkets from the various stores, including a job breaker about as large as your head. Wow, that sounds good changed his own. Our town also has a yearly fair in celebration of the town called God I Can't Read. Our town also has a yearly fair in celebration of the town founder Billy Barker, called Billy Barker Days Days Day. He says days. Due to our proximity to the city, it more or less gridlocks the town.

When is it? He doesn't say, when's Billy Barker Day. He doesn't say, But you can go to Barkerville dot c A to get more information. Get in the car, We're going to Barker. Oh, we should go to Barkerville. It's only like an hour away. It seems totally doable. He just He's included a sizeable map that I guess I'll like tweet out or something. It's a photographic map with man. This book is Barkers by the way, such historical locations as McPherson's Watchmaker, Goldfield Bakery, Wendell

House, ce Strouss Dried Goods, historic Chinatown. It was a it was a mining town. Yeah, there are a lot of Chinese people. A gold mining town. It was part of the gold rush, Eldorado gold panning. Yeah, that's wow. Sound like it sounds like Barkerville's health in place. I this book. Fresh beef and pork were so important to the carnivorous miners. That's a weird description that they were willing to pay the outrageous price

of fifty cents a pound. Men men with a ranching background found settling cattle, a cook away to prosperity, then digging and cold gravel too, slaughter house to supplyed Barris retail out. This was beat Yeah, Barkerville, what the Barkerville? I was flipping through that thing and I just landed on a random page that was talking about hurdy gurdy women. Yep, why did you see that? I think I scam passed. Okay, they were like a

Dutch. I believe they're Dutch immigrants who were basically indentured servants to a hurdy gurdy man. Man the Xbox game is about. I guess it's not it's that wasn't Madam Fanny's Ben Dixon Saloon and boarding house. I believe that was a separate and that was a separate, respectable establishment, well respectables, let's say things you can take back, but yeah, it's pretty nuts. Drew's legs had given out finally, all right, Yeah, Barkerville. So we're

going to Barkerville. Okay, next time we get a chance, we'll go to Barkville. Alright, you're in. You live here now literally, whenever you want dood dreck, you live here. It's to Barkerville. Barkerville, like, right now, let's go get dinner. I don't know about they got functional restaurants. I don't you know, they might not be open. You know, it's kind of sounds like you are some fair weather Barkerville, you know, pretty much, goep on, pretty much, go to bed

the sunset Barkerville. You know, if the sunrise comes early, gonta, get this wow, get that breakfast, stick to your ribs and go to Barkerville alone. The mines like Vinnie Caravelle before me. I will go to Barkerville. I will, I will slay. I'm coming with you. We gotta go at night. That's the one that's when it gets dangerous. I really think the streets of Barkerville or oh god, you're right, yep, that's when they come out. The best part is that is Barkerville is an

old timey town in costume for us to go explore. And then at the end of it, this is just a taco bell for damn man, I'll fuck it. Let's just go to a video tour. Of Barkerville. Yea, whenever you want. You guys, got premium member. You need to get something to right, that's true. What else are you're doing? It's come on, man. Content has been flowing like wine around here. I watched it work, but we will in fact look into our bar Parkerville.

Visit there go from the near future now that John Drake is local. For now it is my job. From what I said, we're excited to have you here, and I guess that's gonna do it this week. Got anything you want to plug before we boot you out? PlayStation no? Yeah, go, I don't know. No, it's go buy a PlayStation four if you don't have one, Yeah, get ready for destiny. I can buy the bait. It was great as an impartial third party, I can.

I can endorse that for you, that recommendation. Give you your money after the show. It's a pretty chip. Another check cleared. I don't have any money. I pay rent in San Francisco. It's a pretty small console. All right, Well, thank you guys. I guess that's gonna do it. So come back next week for more of the giant pomdcast. Oh

is this close to excellently drinking my contacts. Just a second ago, you put your contact You took my contact out and put them in the diet mountain dew, and I went to go ship it, and I realized, I is there just water in that cup though? Or is there mountain dew left? But but you're throwing your contacts away. Yeah, they're not the disposable though, you're not. But my point is you're not putting your contact and they can have diamond dew and then gonna put them back in your eyes later.

Even with your nightmare affinity for chemical based foods, that's a terrible fucking idea. Go blind. No, I'm not gonna do that. Okay, don't do that. I'm not that concerned for your health and safety because like, do what you want. But that seems like a really bad would have been really gross. I drank QUI time, it would be weird. Yeah well sure, yeah, okay, as gross is drinking a lot of diamond and dew with contexts in them, like it's what I coke is fine.

I Coke's natural organic comes from the ground, the aspartame mines of I'm gonna go with Nebraska. Let's pick of a state where you're from. Not Nebraska you're from. I was gonna say Oklahoma, somewhere in the middle there that like vertical stripe, not Texas, not the Dakota is somewhere between Bible Belt. So yeah, sure, like the notch of the Bible Belt. Tornado alley, Well all right, yeah, do you ever have a tornado a thing? Yes? Yeah, oh yeah, I've seen yeah, yeah,

I've had a couple of crazy tornado all right. So they're not like earthquakes here where it's like, have you ever felt one? I mean, everyone that's lived in Kansas or down there I said a million times of having to go down to their basement. Yeah, and uh, you know, warnings and stuff. But yeah, I did see one tornado in college, and you're supposed to go to the basement and sitting near the wall. We went up to the top floor of my dorm so we could see it, and

we saw it taking shingles, lot roofs and stuff. These are the life choices that I question. Yeah, then there's I should say this other story for when we're on sometime, but I think we just like you haven't cut right, Come on, this is gold, this is gold. Do you want me to tell anyone, Is anyone comfortable? Is anyone uncomfortable? I should say with anything you just said going in this podcast, No, I'm more excited about this conversation than all the weird things you made me talk about

in the past ten minutes. Then consider it's done, So I tell the weird Yeah, technically not a tornado story. This is a microburst story. Are people around here are familiar with those? The way weatherman I always explained it in the Midwest was it's like, imagine there's a giant bucket of water and the clouds and then all of a sudden, someone turned it over. That's the weather man explained it to five year olds. So yes, the

meteorological technical Yeah, like water bucking the sky. There's a whole bunch of water in the sky and imagine it all gets dumped out at once and the water hits the ground like crazy, real hard, and then all the all the air was like crazy, Yeah, like a tidal wave of air. Yeah, it's crazy, but it's similar to tornado. It does the same type of damage. So there was one night at the bars in college and Lawrence, Kansas, and we're just getting real drunk, and we started talking

about Star Wars, and I realized that the sultizing. I started realizing that it had been a long time since I had watched like I think Empire and Return of the Jedi, and so we're just talking more and more about Star Wars. I'm getting drunk and more excited, and I'm like, tryd I just want to watch all the Star Wars movies tonight. And so at two o'clock it's the last call. Already super wasted. I realized I was going

through a kick where I was making a much of black and Tans. So I had a fridge full of guinness and harp and I just went home by myself and I was like, I'm just gonna drink black and Tans all night and watch the entire trilogy. And this is already at two in the morning. I've already just wasted. And I just sit there and I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna hunker down, put on some pajama pants,

gonna just watch every Star Wars, well the real ones. And so I sit down, I watch all the New Hope, watch all Empire Strikes Back. I'm just I'm real, real drunk, and it's now what's six in the morning. Oh boy, probably close to that. Yeah, and then I get I get to the end of Return of the Jedi, so now it's like eight. Yeah, it's like morning morning. Some of the window.

I was just like black in there. I was like sitting there drunk watching Star Wars eight in the morning, and it gets to the end of a Return of the Jedi, and it's doing the part where they're cutting back and forth between like Luke in Vader fighting and you got the stuff on the

moon, and then you got the big space fight. In the middle of the big space fight, you know, with Akbar and all that stuff, I'm hearing these sounds that are just crazy, and like I thought my speakers were going nuts, and I was like, I don't have this good of surround sting, What the hell is this? And I mute the space fight and then I just hear crazy shit happening outside. I opened the door. Just imagine this. I am blindingly drunk. I mean, I'm probably like

twenty something beers in at this point. You haven't slept. I haven't slept for five hours. Yeah, more than that, I probably like eight it well, actually probably got five or six. Yeah. Yeah, I opened the door and the first thing I see is like this roof like across the street like getting ripped off, and there's just like trees are falling down and like just shingles are flying through the area. And open the door and like the sky is like this crazy brown purple mix and like it just looks insane

and there's just wind. I have no idea what the fuck is going on. There's sirens going off, knocked out all the power in the city, like, but I mean that's all it happens over what your DVD player. I still eventually, like that night through all these parties with camp fires and stuff because there's no power or anything, and they're just trees down everywhere because

they were knocking down power lines. But just imagine that moment of insanity of me, that drunk opening the door just like crude, just hell and all this stuff happening. I can just shut the door. I was. I could picture You're just like calmly shutting the door because and I just went and sat my bed wasted. This can't actually be happening. Good night. I was like already on the bottom floor. So it's like I guess it just goes sit in my closet. I sat in my closet tell Armageddon stopped,

and I think I can't remember if I finished the movie. Here you watched Armageddon too, Yeah, yeah, Oh that's the that's the biggest question is if she went back and finished the rest of the movie. I actually don't remember if I did. I just remember that moment distinctly. I just like, what the shutting the door. You're like seeing the like the half the roof fucking come off in that state and having no idea any of this was

happening beforehand. You're you're a unique and specially human being. It was crazy. Yes,