Giant Bombcast 05-24-2011

Everyone. It's Tuesday, May twenty four, twenty eleven. You were listening to the Giant podcast on. I'm Ryan Davis joining me in the room. Here in the zone, mister it's the no Spin zone, mister V calla spinning. Stop spinning that chair here, Jeff Gersman back from Los Angeles, which is the all spin zone. Put it in the food zone. Uh And Brad Shewmaker fuxing with his phone. Put it down. Now, let's do this. Let's give down. He's trying to buy a pac Man Championship

Edition d X was out for his Windows phone seven out. To be fair, I assume that he is making E three appointments so he can keep that phone up for the entire podcast. Actually, far as i'm concertually now, I'm looking at pac Man Edition d X podcast is over seven dollars? Really? What seven dollars? Is it? At least d X? It is d X. I get blown for seven dollars? What? What? What? Like? Poorly? Wait? Why would I buy that when I could wow? He c Yeah? Why why are you cle clipping so much?

Why is the why are the mics so hot? If he wanted hot mics? Why would I buy a seven dollars version of pac Man when I can get fable coin golf four ninety nine. He answered your own question right there, or a bunch of gamer Wait, Jeff, get for four ninety nine. You don't want to know. It's a dirty look. That penny makes all the difference. Yeah, all those gamering games started coming out on the phone, literally literally, pall three, you've been you've been using that Windows

Phone seven phone. It's dumb term to call it, but I'm not gonna call it that Windows phone seven, Windows phone seven because Windows phone seven is like the platform that's that is a different you're using that Samsung. Yes, this is a Samsung Focus Focus. Yes, so it is a Windows Phone seven phone. Yes, yeah, that's correct. What's the hand set? Is that what we like to call it hands Yeah, that's what we like to call it. I call it a hand like cans you like to call

How has your experience been with that Windows phone seven hand sets? It's okay, it's by default, it's faster and I guess than therefore better than my iPhone three G because my phone three G is unusable as videos they are if you're if you if any got an iPad two and now he's just using that as though it was his iPhone. It doesn't work when I hold it up. No, it's my ears. No good for topic skypone that thing,

and you're probably good it's only Wi Fi. I just I haven't bought any games on this thing, and I probably should have to get the full Windows phone experience. But when it's phone seven, yes, but it's hard to one of those phone seven hand set experience. It's hard to. It's hard to buy games for a phone that you have to give back. It was it was like Windows Mobile before, right, Yeah, it was Windows Mobile six point five, Windows Mobile or I think wind Moo as some people around

here would call it. I've seen I've never heard it set out loud, but I've definitely seen Windmow written on Pilo. That was. That was way more like a business focus thing, right, sure, yeah, that was. That was for like getting exchanged support your hands Your Palm Traio had windm on it. My Palm Trail didn't Harbor Master to put Boom two on your right, No Kuboon two. I wanted a different your hand sets, the one with Katie. Yes, I see, I just find Yeah, before

before Brad had that phone. I had it over like around Christmas, and I bought a bunch of games on it, And now I keep wanting Brad to stop using the phone so that I can start using it again. I keep specifically because I bought all those goddamn games on it. How much how

much money would you say you spent on Windows Phone seven games? Probably like fifteen bucks or something like twenty maybe, I don't know, Like, you know, I was like trying to see if this thing was gonna matter and if we should care about it for coverage, so you know, I wouldn't buy a bunch of games, got a bunch of dumbass mobile games and gott a like real ass achievement points out of it, So that kind of felt good. But then I was like, this Crackdown game is garbage. Yeah,

I don't want to play this doesn't. Will has another Winner's Phone seven. He keeps threatening to bring it in so that I can play my games on it. So play your games on that, and I'll continue not really liking this film, yeah, because I did. We need to. You know, It's like there are new things branded game Room coming out on it, and I feel this weird, which every time one of them comes out like, oh god, it is one of is one of them? Sunset

Writers? No, yeah, I didn't think. So it's never coming out, come out. It's never coming out, Jeff says it Writers is never coming out. How awesome is that? Wait till there is any kind of game room initiative. At E three they announced their big Classics initiative, and the first game out is Sunset. And I'm saying, I'm saying that Microsoft has lost E three. I know we don't like using those terms, but

what if they come out on a horse? All right? If Jay Allard comes out on a fucking horse at the start of the Microsoft talking this to make this even more impossible, come out and I'm back to lead the tribe, lead his tribe to the promised last on a horse, and to begin with Sunset. Right, I would follow. I would follow Jay Allard anywhere that's right, even to a Burger place in Seattle. You see, you didn't see that you were gone last week? Someone someone took a commando picture

of Jay Allard at a Burger place in the Seattle to us. Yeah, I love that we get these. This is not the first time someone has sent like spy photos of Jay Allard, so it didn't make it up on the side. Is that on the j Alard page? Probably? I haven't looked at it, but yeah, is anyone at all surprised that he's meat? No? You couldn't see him being a vegetarian. I could, but

no, he needs the protein muscle masked. I don't think he's a particular He's not very well built to go to snowboarding as often as he does. He was clearly in a like prist post snowboarding look of like scruffy beard with a weird tan line around the eyes he had. Yeah, that's sounding Michael Stipe esque, you know you when you describe it to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of kind of not as gaunt, okay, but yeah, a little stipey, like a healthy Michael healthier Stipe,

right, sure? Looking for still around Michael Stipe? Yeah, okay, all right, I'm still kicking around. It's still a bad really fake care of all. How you doing, I'm doing all right, fantastic. I had this crazy thing like somebody I think it must have been my wife or somebody or I had had dinner with some friends last night and somebody was talking about E three and I was like yeah, and they're like, yeah, so that's like, you know, what are you doing this Friday because it's

pretty much like weekend after that? And I was like what, that's not true. And then the sudden like flop sweats, like oh my god, really like checking my watch, checking calendars, like is that really? Is it really that? It really is? Yeah, two weeks, but I don't think it's like that. I think there's this Friday and then by next Friday we're pretty much leaving for E three. Right, that's I'm definitely Friday,

So I'm getting ready now. I'm now I'm kind of in like the E three mode, And so that's terrible for work because that means like everything else suddenly just takes a back seat, and it's like all I can see is yeah, like like right there, and it's like, well, we saw a ton of other stuff to do. There's a bunch of other work that it needs to get done, and it's just like flying by me. We'll get it done, we'll get it done E three. And then once

that's over, it just started thinking about the next D three. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to not just really immediately start thinking about like a year, we're gonna have to do this again. Oh it's not that hard, but it's like, come, it's hard for me to focus on what needs to be done, and I just want to go to E three. You just want to pull that band aid off. Oh that's not even a bad

Like I'm kind of excited for E three this year. I like where our housing arrangement, Like once that stuff all starts working out, it starts to get more exciting, once the pieces start falling into place. What's once you get some of like the core logistics out of the way, you can actually start thinking about the show and not just the oh god, are we going

to even make it there? Right? And like all the like the way gear and we have all this stuff because like you know, E three is what it is, and by the end of it, you've seen a lot of cool stuff. You're really tired, but you do see a lot of awesome stuff. And this year I think is shaping up to be a big

question mark. And I'm kind of glad to see the motion stuff not popping up in weird ways that I haven't seen a lot of like invitations to be like come on to our move event or are a connect eve ent or even like Nintendo is going to have something different that might not write the move Yeah. So like that's what for me. E three last year was like just getting ready shielding myself for all like the motion stuff. And that's kind of

what E three last year sticks in my mind. Does So this year is I mean, well, I mean it panned out fine, Connects sold, well, well we'll see if there are games, right, So this year I'm really cure to see how it all goes. I think it's gonna be some awesome games there. And Jeff, how's it gonna go? It's gonna go all right? Okay, great, there will be some awesome games there. Uh and I know you're not gonna see any of them because I already

saw them. Sorry, but uh, I think I'm gonna hopefully. My My goal for this E three is to leave really excited about the coming where video games are going next six months, Whereas last year I left E three with a kind of like dark heart, being like, we'll play games anymore. This is well, this motion stuff is a real big bummer. This isn't what I signed up for. Oh, let's just you're just get through this. Close your eyes wake me up when we're past, like Ohio,

and like I'll wake back up and let's play some more games. So now I'm excited again. Did you play some games? I played Ellen Noir, which is the dinner party game. Le Noir is that Eleanoir diner party game. Dinner was fun. It's a house of prime rib nice. Yeah, Frank Adams, Yeah it's good. Oh, okay, good you hang out with Frank. I just wondering, like, who are you hanging out with that they're talking about E three. That's never a good sign, jailer.

It's like, I gotta get on this horse. See if it's then you lean over go. I think this guy behind us is taking a picture smile. Uh. Yeah, that was good. That was finish it. That was also good. No, if the game is long, Brad, that games long. Yeah. I thought I was chewing through and I just made it pass the homicide desk really, which is a weird which is a weird staggering in that game because it's like you go from traffic is is well, if you start off, you know, on the beat, and that's just

tutorial stuff, then traffic is super quick. Traffic three cases, it's pretty fast, homicide goes for a long time. I'm still I'm still neck deep in homicide. Homicide is definitely the longest desk in the game, Oh is it? Because that's not to say that you're close to the end. So it's weird. So you go from a homicide to vice, which seems like it seems like a step down in terms of like movement within a police force. You know, you're like, you think homicide would be if somebody dies,

you're you're on the case. Vice is like liquor and gambling and all that stuff, right, drugs, prostitution. Yeah, I would. I have no idea how police forces work, especially this is work in the forties, But like that's a that's a good question. Do you know is there any difference point vice and advice? Because they call it advice in the game. The advice is when someone asks you like, is this guy dead? Hey, how do I how should I take I can't date girls? And

then should I take these drugs? And then he says yeah, and then you gotta call vice? Yep, uh no, Yeah, I noticed that. I thought vice. I don't know how its name, but I thought vice was like the vice squad for like these are vices like these are. That was my assumption, and then they started calling it advice. Did you get so? Did you get into vice? At always? It just started

and then I turned it. This is fun because it's in Hollywood, for one thing, so that's where all the extras LEAs bags are, okay, but yeah, it's it's all kinds of hooking and drug running and mob stuff. And I'm sure people die though, Yeah, so that's not homicideide. Also it's funny. Actually, he's probably like a jurisdictional yes, yeah, arguing because coming straight from homicide, like you start occasionally when you know they're the basis of the case is like you know, drugs or the mob or

whatever. But then somebody dies. Then like people you knew from the homicide department come in, they're like, all right, this is our case now, and there's like, yeah, there's a little bit of like infighting. It's pretty you see a little bit that even when you're on homicide, like the last the last homicide case, when vice swoops in, Yeah, so

you start you start seeing that stuff pretty early on. But I do appreciate the like sticking with a partner for all those cases because I like that partner relationship where you start to get to know each other and get to know each other Rusty. I could not wait to get rid of Galloway. I fucking hated that guy. Which one Rusty Rusty Gallaway is the homicide. Yeah, but you didn't grow to kind of guy's a dick. He's a partner, though, What are you gonna do? Is kind? I agree to like

him though. Yeah. I liked having him by my side. I liked being the good cop back because he is a poor law man. He is a terrible man, but he is. But he's a pretty good partner. He's a good bad cop. He's he's the guy that you want there to talk about, you know how he's gonna break that guy's fucking job. He doesn't give him an answer. But that's not even the guys the first place. That's the problem. Man. He doesn't even care if he's got the

right guy or not. Uh did you ever strand your your partner? Do you not wait from to get back to the car. Yeah, they'll just warp to where you are and get didn't do that. Well, here's the thing is I never drive. I never I never drive back and always make them drive so one time I got, you know, leaving the location, got into the car, was like, yeah, you drive, And I was sitting there for like five minutes, and I don't know, dude got stuck on stuff and didn't make it, couldn't find his way out. I

don't know the only time I've had that happened. Well, yeah, that's when I stranded him. All Right, I guess I'm gonna drive this time. And I get to the location and then like as I'm getting out of the car, he's in the car somehow, and I'm like, oh, okay, Well, apparently there are all kinds of technical problems that I didn't run into too. I mean, aside from like the crashing and the overheating

is like the headline thing. Sure, I've read all these anecdotes about like some guys said he was investigating a house and then all of a sudden his car was in the living room and stuff like that. That seems like it warrants investigation. You should look into that. That's traffic. I really didn't run into any of that stuff. It's crazy. I've run into a few weird things here and there, but nothing that's really ruined my experience. I'm

actually really really enjoying that game. It's a bad traffic behavior has been the oddest thing that I've seen in the world. Guys turning into you, Guys trained to me, or just like when I'm having my partner drive and it's it's during like a dialogue sequence. Sometimes their choices are a little crazy. But my second time through, I've been driving less just because I did it

all the first time. And you're right, like Galloway actually was driving in the last case I played, and like he straight rear ended the guy in front of him at the red light and immediately reversed and ran into the guy behind him and then drove forward again. Did they ever address that though, No, there's there's no like, Okay, this guy hit a cop car, let's get out here, and and you're driving. Yeah, when when you're driving, if you do stuff like that, yeah, they'll get on

your ass. But for everything, but when they're driving, even if someone runs into you, like if someone like you're saying, cars turn into you or whatever, it seems like that that should be. They always blame it on too much. But it seems like sort of thing where you should just be able to jump out of the car and arrest that dude. Like if you put the siren on, they'll kind of get out of your way. Yeah, a lot better, guys, But that's not even why you're out

there. You're you aren't beat cop anymore. Yes, that's for an officer. Yeah, I just flee the scene. Yeah, which is why you just beat the crap out of the guy, like like an you get a cop would. Now, it really does. It really does a pretty good job of making you not want to drive like a jerk by by dinging you for points. Yeah, you know, that's the best practical reason not to

drive. But also like guys will kind of jump out of the way as you're driving, and uh, you know, you just I don't know if they do a good job of making the atmosphere where you don't want to do it. You just don't want to drive on the sidewalk, even if it's the shortest way. You're fucking g man, Like you couldn't be more like tight wound and straight and narrow of an asshole and kind of a dick about it about you know, following the rules, Like it's so not that character

to just go plow through pedestrians. I feel, but they also make the pedestrians a lot more nimble than they aren't in GTA, so they get out of your way a lot. I will say this about that game though, when you play it for stretches, I think that's a game that is probably best played and kind of like case a little shortcase things you play it for a bit, especially if you're doing a lot of the side stuff, that game becomes a lot of just drain pipes and running out like you're constantly just

running up drain pipes, like chase people down like you do. Like the sidecases are basically two things. One is a shootout and you just kind of like you pull up and it's like guys are inside and they set it up with a nice story and everything. The setups for those things are actually better than they should be. Yeah, they're nice, and then set them up and they get you in the action really quickly. But this just shootout right, you kill three doubts or it's like chase this dude, and like climbate

drain pipe. Si. They were like an on foot chase. Sometimes it's a car chase. Yeah, sometimes chase. Yeah. Maybe there are three I should say the third one is probably the card chase. But at some point it's just like sitting next to my wife and she's like, this is a drain pipe one. It's like, yeah, it's a drain pipe one, because it's just like, shim me up the drain pipe, chase the guy down. Sometimes you tackle them, but but they but they decide.

They decide whether you're gonna tackle shoot a guy like when you're chasing a pillectric gun, or shoot him. So you can't pull out your gun at any time and do that kind of like halt thing. You have to have to be part of. Yeah, because at first I was like, man, I'm just killing everybody. Hope, I'm not doing this wrong. But I think it was just the side missions I was getting. But that game, uh, it's it's captivating. I don't know, something about it really is

sucking me into its uh, into into its whole atmosphere. It's just such an elaborately detailed world. I mean, there's so much there to see and get your hands on and just really get kind of down and dirty with. Yeah, I really really am enjoying. I actually really like the kind of the mechanics of the puzzle solving too. The false clues maybe are a little annoying once in a while. You know, I'll pick up everything ever a little bottle, but I'll tell you usually right away, and they're like,

I've gotten better. My my, my pro tip is skip the bottles. Will skip bottles, brushes, skip hair brushes. Always pick up picture frames. A picture frame will always be a significant clue of some kind. Yeah, and if you flip it over all the better. But I don't also always look at newspapers. I don't know if yeah, I don't know if we have this conversation last time or two weeks ago, but about feeling kind of like you'd get ahead of the game in terms of clues and stuff like

that. And you're right, you don't like all the character seems smart enough to be putting together stuff as you're putting it together. It does, in fact smarter than everyone around him in some cases, but but not so much where you're making logical leaps that don't make sense. And I really feel like there's never a case where I want the guy to say something that he won't say, like, oh man, all the evidences points of this just have

this line of dialogue, and I feel like that doesn't come up. If anything, it just remains so gray until certain points where you're just never even quite sure this is the guy I should be convicting or not. But let's just get him in the My chief really wants a conviction, so let's pull the trigger on this, particularly when you're gonna throw the dolly stuff. Yeah, particularly like that, that whole that whole sort of justice swings fast and

hard. I love I love him, I love the captain for young fel. He's got so many amazing, like biblical retribution references in everything that he says. Yeah, it's a real have you gotten have you gotten a really bad rating to on homicide where he choose you out? Oh my god, I did. It's terrible. I felt awful the dressing down you get from

that man, Oh my god. Well, so I was afraid that it was actually gonna have a material impactually, because he pretty much he pretty much tells you like or he told me, he's like, you two go out there and bust street crimes until you know, in my good grace, is enough to get a proper case. And I thought, oh shit, that I fucked that case up so bad that I'm literally gonna have to go like grind out some open world stuff because I have not done any of those.

Yeah, because I'm because I'm never driving, so I'm never seeing them because I don't want that game to be open world. Well you can just pick those up later on that free room stuff. Yeah, want to? You know, I know, I know there's other ways, but while I'm playing the story, I was like, I don't want to. Yeah, sometimes I feel that way too. Fuck around with any other stuff. I'm on

a case I should go take care of. Have you ever just hit the power or done the quit one time when you just know you fucked this up so bad? Actually one time because I accidentally hit the restart oh the option which actually restarts the case, and I was able to kill it before the restart affected the save. But you never did it just because you're like blown in interrogation. So but I mean I was, I hit restart because I had blown that interrogation. So this this was compounded. It's a very good

game to live with your consequences. But there has definitely been once or twice where I'm just like, I'm fucking this up so badly and I got all this evidence, like I'm really good, but I'm terrible at interrogating, and it took me a while and I would say a tip and then maybe you guys can back this up. It took me a while to realize what lied out and true really mean in terms of the gameplay mechanic, Like what's the

difference between doubting somebody and lying and again and lie? They make pretty quickly lie. You have to have evidence to back it up because, like you know, some of them are hard where you're like the body queues on. Some of them are are great and so over the top. You get the shifty dude who just literally starts looking side to side like up and down. But some of them are not. They don't later on in the game.

They absolutely don't telegraph the answer through the body movie. Yeah, so a lot of times I just want to doubt it, and then you get that bad music and you're like, oh, man, man, I I just came to live in fear of the four notes wrong answer jingle. I was just like, I still haven't decoded those. I now know when to listen to the you have all of the evidence music, cue oh when the music stops the last there's that hand, there's that little horn build. The right

answer is like two notes and ends of the little chords. Yeah, yeah, but the wrong music answers so and when you get like two of those in a row, it's just heartbreaking crapping this up. I think the wrong answer one isn't like a minor key. Actually you definitely know you definitely have like kind of an unpleasant sound too. It's like, uh. One criticism, I will say that game is the performances are so good, and when you get people that are really going at it, and you get those weird

characters that you're like, I know this guy from something. Yeah, but you get really good performances, and when you get a guy going and they start yelling at each other, it's really good. But then, since you can choose the questions in any order, the next question can't start on that kind of high tone of them yelling at each other. So let'll be screaming at each other, and then the next question will be like, well,

so tell me about this other thing. Uh, So there can be sw yeah, but overall, I think it's pretty awesome and pretty convincing in terms of like what they've been able to do with which essentially is a it's like an FMB game done in real time, Like you're basically choosing it could be FMB sequences that paused and you're like truth lied oubt, Like okay, but doing an FMV game of this scale would be prohibitive for all kinds of reasons.

I don't know. I don't know what it took for them to get all that, but I'm talking about in terms of like the amount of video you would need on the disk and how long it would take to place.

It's more of a concern of like then you can't have action sequences, then you can't have stuff that isn't just entirely Yeah, I'm not saying it is eight colors, it's right on two segads, but I mean, like, you know, fifteen years ago this would have been done in FMB for this quality, and it's great that they can do it without it, and it is completely convincing and really hat hats off to that. Still still completely yeah, still you know whatever I am six hours in, eight hours in it

never gets old. Yeah, completely, like still every single time, Like that's a real person. Yeah, look at that guy's actual face. Look at how he's a mooting. Yeah, I like it I like him a lot because you realize how how managed your expectations are as far as like facial

animations go in video games. When you see that stuff, you're like, oh, wow, like what I what I accept for facial animation in most games is so far below what they pull off here and grand you know, it's they can only do it because of the technology, but it's incredible. It's a mind blowing I did have There's a user on the site who is also a game developer who hied in about if any reason one last week that was asking about if they could apply this technology to like unrealistic characters, like

if you could do an alien or something like this. This guy's take is that they're generating the actual three D model of the person's head from all this data. So if they're gonna do like an alien or something like that, they would have to go in there with like the facial prosthetics and the makeup on too. Like wow, really, yeah, you can't do it after the fact, Well maybe, I think I'm sure they could probably modify the

process some kind of hybrid kind of. I think the point is that you don't need the level of technology that they have to do what you want to do. Well, it's the fidelity, like when you're talking to those people there there are great things that of like you know, I move and and cheeks and stuff like that. That for me, it's always the forehead creases because you can never get yeah, because you can never do that that end

end certain kind of asymmetrical mouth movements. I don't know how they do it, and it's it's I guess they put out enough videos, right, I'd probably look at you know, exactly how they do it. How they do it picture two high definition cameras. I was gonna say, I could just watch this making eyes. I kind ofn't want to ruin the magic though I skipped all the still completely impressive. It's still totally impressive because again, like

it touches a part of your brain that is like basically subconscious. Like it doesn't matter how they get the result, it's doing it when you see it in action like it, and it's still impressive to think, like, well, that guy was just sitting with a smock on in this weird white clean

room with thirty two high definition cameras pointing at him. How did they then like convincingly bolt that head onto this dude and make it move around, like and get those people to like put on good, realistic performances in that weird,

clean room. That's being able to coax those performances out of the huge testament to the you know, the quality of the actors that they got, and I have to imagine, you know, the direction they were being given there, because yeah, that's that seems like a wildly uncomfortable place to try and like put in performances. And the other part I think we may have mentioned since you kid, you were never playing against anyone else, like you're

in that room doing that performance. You know, I don't know that you've even met these other actors, but you're still able to do From Heroes, was in there play of each other? An Grunberg, Yeah, yeah, the part that is consistently on the jewel from Dexter really Yeah, he's like he's a bartender. It's coming to me, Yeah, he's a bartender. Fu Yeah, yeah, yeah. You would you would think, like I'm a first outing with this, you'd run into like five characters like we are

breaking this technology. It's really hard to do, but there are so many people are just everybody will tell you what's weird though? Our kids still a little Kids don't work right. Kids and teams don't work quite right. The casting couch girl was pretty effective. She was good. There was a daughter there is know which one is. She's weird. I don't know what it is. I suspected her, you're weird. I think it might be you. Also, that game is really dark. That is some dark ship.

I don't know if it gets darker advice than it didn't homicide, but that is. At some point though in the Homicide, I was like, Okay, it's just always there's a lot of dead naked women macab more seedy, sinister. Okay, maybe some real it's real dark stuff going on, a lot of violence gainst women in that game. A lot of you touched her head and then turn it over and it's a vast broad underbelly and forty.

I guess it's kind of the trade off with the realistic faces that they when they just look beat up and massacred, they also look kind of realistic, So you're just like black eyes and swollen and bloated corp. It's the hands that always get me. It's the part I don't like. Rings are the rings are missing. I don't like that part at all. Yeah, that's kind of gross. It's think of just like all that skin tearing and what

you're seeing there. It's it's gnarly. Homicide is interesting because it's kind of a self contained story arc it wraps up. Is that unique to the rest of it. I thought I would keep going. Okay, Yeah, that's like a natural break point. That's that's the intervision. I like that. The action is very fast change one before then. PS three also does have

some weird streaming and stuff when you're driving around Like I was driving. I was driving real fast in one of those cars and all of a sudden crashed into an invisible wall, and I was like, what what happened? And then then suddenly it drew in the barriers. The PS three version is by no means without fault, but it's still better than Okay, it runs better than the three sixty. Yeah, uh, more so than I was anticipating.

But kind of sad. But the only thing I was gonna say about where you're at now is that you're moving into a part of the game that starts to tie up, like the little news ever cut scenes, the flashbacks between cases that you've seen practically every time you finished case, like all that stuff starts coming together, like bringing all this weird warbacks like his war wartime flashbacks and stuff like that, that that all comes kind of comes together.

Uh yeah, it's cool. I haven't found any of those movies fit reels yet. I didn't find a single one throughout the entire effing game. They're very very well hidden. They're all on like rooftops. What is it when you watch it's just you don't watch anything. It's literally just collectible. You just pick it up and it's like, oh, you're it's just like the hidden badges. I don't know, that's some DLC thing that I didn't mess with, but it's like it's the it's the it's the pigeons of it's the

GTA four PA. So it's not literally just actually watching them. Oh yeah, yeah, it's not missing any content. Someone hoods me up with the Naked City Code and that has like that badge challenge. I know that's not part of the main game, right. I do find that, like there's no reason to jump in out of the cars, especially with the smart trying to drive a lot of them are faster and handled yeah, but like there's no, I don't know, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of incentive

there to have you. I'm sure you've ranked up enough to a lock. Some of the hidden cars I found them also rememb are really cool. They're like a lot of weird like forties concept. Yeah, sports like that's cool. But but then I just ditch them, you know, like I drive around, just ditch them. But they're fun to drive if they're different. But there's that one mission where you are where it pretty much forces you to drive a different car. It's a chase mission. It's it's during homicide.

I won't get yeah, but yeah, so there's there are moments where it the game itself is like here, drive this car. I just mean in terms of, like you know, you can get in any car you want. But that game is not an open world. That's not no, no, no, Like it has some of the open world drappings, but it doesn't detract from the game. But there is all that stuff in there, which is just kind of never. Also picking up other guns always like guys

go down in like one or two shots with it with the handgun. Never really unless you just wanted to spread a tommy gun. I just need to or you just need the distance of a rifle even so, like the target is just that little painted ball all you can kind of wait wait until you get the rocket launcher. Railgun is sick, wait wait till you're taking down spank dealers. But I do like it, Like it's kind of the same thing as Red Dead, where like that was the drug a GTA three y'all

sank, Yeah, spank. I do Like he shoot a dude and it's like two hits and it's like he's dead, Like we're not. We're not going to just so if you get him once, he will fall down if you get the main body. I like shooting off hats though my hat comes off all the time. Yeah, I bet it does, just flies off anyway. That's la now air out now. The only like action sequence that I've seen so far that I felt seemed out of character and a little odd

for the universe. But it's like one of those like, Okay, in a video game, this is acceptable, but you guys have established this this this world so well, so much better, so much more realistically than that I come to anticipate for most games. That it threw me off as the balance beam. Yeah, I'm just like, this is super corny, super gainy. They can also lose my hat during those oh yeah, yeah, you always do. It's weird too, because it's like it's like Prince of

Persia early Prince of Persia style. Yeah, it's weird, like why is this year? Yeah it was. It was really strange. But it's basically like that one time and then it's never there again. I've had two. There's one other time actually, but I've had two. Yeah, it's infrequent. Yeah. Also, some of the animations when you're unfolding letters and then folding them back up and putting that like it just looks like it's in reverse whatever. Well, they're just those are just so they're so deliberate, those

animations. You gotta put the evidence back so the officer can bag and catalog it. That's true. I love the corner. I want to play as the The corner is great. Yeh, mal, you gotta have a good corner. You're gonna do a ple cop proceedro you gotta have a good corner. You gotta have he's yeah, he's I can't so, yeah, he's he's just he's he's pretty much because you know, on homicide there's always a dead body somewhere. He's just always at that scene. I love seeing him

there. It's like my buddy, the only one I can trust. Also, R and I is way too chipper. They're always way too happy to help you out. With Officer, I mean, he's a very polite guy. He's not a polite guy. He's like he's like two talents. He is either talking or just screaming. I feel like phone he's all man and please, yeah, but he's always yelling it phelps bad two four, seven, five, twelve, isn't it? Oh, twelve forty seven. It's good because he says, I think it's twelve forty seven. I'm not sure.

My favorite moments are when he like when he and Galloway are both like on a phone or on the radio somewhere, like reporting something. So he's just here just like all this police chatter. All right, Galloway bashed number, and then I'm on the phone talking to R and I or getting messages. Yeah, they do it. It's a it's a nice world. And

I like the foot chases. I like the animations on that. Stuff just looks real, yeah, real, real, sharping the camera shake the way that it's it's almost like handheld camera following you when you're doing the on foot chases. I was tapping next to go faster for a while there, but it doesn't do anything. Now, I'm just hold that right trigger, go man, big caravella. Yeah, put anything else, man. I jumped into a little bit more of the Witcher one, but two is installed and

it's real. Uh. I know I should write, just just do because the Witch two so good. It looks so good. Yeah, it looks so good. I really don't think you're going to be getting much out of it. I bought the Witcher books. What the hell you should just you should just uninstall the Witch two, like right now, and just says wait until new computers come out and its Witcher three, like that'll be the time

when you can catch up. Yeah. I really don't know when I'm gonna get to it, especially at this point because when we come back from E three, it is this game on in terms of tons of really like five big games when we got back. Yeah, but which or two? Like July is it's sad for their July and August are both pretty wide open right now. Catherine still August end the July. Okay, so I'll just say so Which or two is installed, and they booted up every once in a

while just to look at it. Uh Birthday. That's a great looking game because it really is fantastically and Which one doesn't look that fatially. Animations aren't as good. So it reminds me of what I need to get to. Uh. That's another like super dark and really well realized universe that, like what they've done in The witch Er two is is damned impressive. They don't waste a lot of time either getting you looking at some nude ass polygons.

Oh yeah, you want to see some naked ladies, It's pretty you can't. I will say Advantage the Witcher. All of the naked ladies that I've seen in that game have still been alive and writhing around. Still a lot of violence against wimmen though, So you got that part for the course. In both of those games, I will say, Eli, which Which or two? Seems like there is a learning curb, conserting and maybe some difficult ellieen air easy. Yeah, and I you know, I was worried that

I it was just me being bad. But the Which two is fucking hard. The combat is very unforgiving. The combat is really weird in that game. It's, you know, it's everyone has to make decisions about what systems they're going to put into their combat, and it's kind of nice that someone's out there making some different decisions. But tying your ability to cast spells to your ability to block, and then making it so you eventually can't block because

you're out of vigor. Yeah, crazy, Yeah, And it's it can be super frustrating too, because it doesn't give you a ton of room to make mistakes. It doesn't, and it doesn't necessarily give you a great handle

on the combat up front either. It's just you know, I haven't playing with the game pad, which seems like the kind of the way to play it, and you know, it's just it's it doesn't even tell you, like, here's what the spells do until you try to catch here's well even even then, like I you know, like it's never told me for some

of them. Oh yeah, yeah, it was doing that. So I kept dying, like that first combat situation where you have to get down to the balista, and I kept dying there over and over again because it's like the first real combat, and you're like, what the fuck am I doing wrong? Like how am I not right? What do I need? And if we need to like very carefully pull one enemy ad time, deal with him, then sit here and recharge, like it's basically what I end up

doing. And I was like, clearly, this is not how they intend for you to play this game, is it. And I never found a better way to deal with that situation. And you know, it's like even in later battles, I'm still kind of like running circles around guys as I recharge and just try and as soon as I recharge enough to go in and there and hack at him, and you know, i'd roll out of the

way and block one I can and stuff. But mainly I just figured like, well, this one shoots fire, so that's probably the spell for fighting. Uh. It seems like shield shield was always my go too because there's

a shield. Yeah, yeah, alright, one of those. One of those is a shield, and it basically allows you to because probably the problem with that game is the animation and the interrupts is you will be like mid like casting animation or mid like even just like swords swing like you're in the middle of a combo, it's easy for another enemy, like at your side, to just step up, step up and and knock yet that that combo.

This basically well. I definitely like. The first thing I did as soon as I got some points to spend was get to the point where I can parry from any direction. That seems like a key skill. But when the game didn't have that, I was like, man, this is broken. I don't even want to play. Then I went in and saw the character tab and went like, okay, eventually I'll get that. Okay, good, all right, great, But yeah, it's it's it's it's not.

It's it's not. It's very unforgiving, and it's alsort of just not very good as far as combat. The combat very specifically, it's the only thing about that game, And it's weird, how much better every single other thing about that game. It really seems incredible. Yeah, like A like all the dialogue stuff, it's really well done. I thought, you know, it's like the voices aren't always great, but they're I like them just the same. The core is solid, and the core characters, I think

the voice work is good. They bring good characters, some good, some good, like kind of moral choices you make a little early on, and yeah, a lot of like true Gray, which which I think is is rare in those sort of like conversation driven and a lot of like you know, Vinnie and I played a little bit further during the quick look stuff, and there's a even even very very early on in that game, you know, they're there are full kind of quest paths where you don't have to find

anything, where it's not at all about combat. It is like negotiations and researching and and all that kind of jazz, which is cool. Paying hookers pay yeah, well not even paying hookers, but bribing hookers by doing favors for them, and then the hookers do something else for you and then yeah, not like that, but also like that, Oh it's not and that's particular. So I got like basically like the first black smith that I could find, and then recrafted my Witcher's sword, right you gotta get Yeah,

you gotta do that because I left it inside of a dragon. Oh no, the dragon's back, dragons back, look out for that dragon. Uh. Yeah, that's that's a that's a really cool game. Yeah, I want to play it. I gotta get through. Also, like that was another game where yeah, that was that was a game when I started playing it and there was all this stuff about tell me what happened and all this

other stuff, and I saw that it had an import character feature. Yeah, I was like, man, I don't know anything that happened in the first Witcher, Like, oh man, what am I gonna do? Universe? This game definitely drops you right into that too. Yeah, but it's it's I guess it's you know, it's most like a storytelling thing, Like then you go on these four tutorial missions that tell you exactly where you're at

and stuff like the whole prologue I thought was really well done. But even like, but when they first present you with the prologue, it's it's not clear that that's what's going to happen. So I almost stopped and just went like, I should read up on what happened in Whitcher one, because he's asking me a much questions about what happened and I don't have the answer to

any of those questions. But but even beyond that, like they don't tell you how the Witcher got into this position where he is an advisor to the king or right, what the fuck is a Witcher. Yeah, that these are all these are all things that maybe the game it eventually kind of explains it. And if you get into the journal, like the journal very explicitly says what a Witcher is, so it's it's in there, but the story

probably could have been a little more forthcoming with that that information. And I feel like that's kind of that game's whole emo is like, yeah, it doesn't explain the combat very well, and there are things about the back fiction that that aren't very explicit, but eventually, through illusion and implication out you'll

figure some shit out. And you know, it's like, you know, the Witcher has amnesia, so it fits, Yeah, he doesn't remember something he doesn't remember, so you know, at something they'll explain that stuff. Which one he starts off he doesn't remember anything either. It's bad bad brainbox.

Yeah, which er one also has not really explained much of it either, which is making it more frustrating because they figure like I'll play through the Whitcher one and like I'll be all set on this universe and it's just like, no, I'm your Witcher, like you're in Witcher World. I guess

they're based off a short story, so that's that's the book. Well, look at this way, by the time you finish the PC version of the First Whitcher, there will probably be a console version of Which or two if you want to go that route, but I guess you won't be able to import. So yeah, I mean that PC game looks looks phenomenal, looks quick. I'm kind of glad they I'm playing on high on ultra of the frame right it started to take I can't play above low at home, so

I'm I'm stuck. I'm playing on high. It looks great. Well, it's and it's you know, it's kind of the thing that we've been looping around here and talking about of like, you know, we need PC games to step some shit up, like a game steps some ship up that game. Yeah, like you couldn't make that game look that good on a console.

They're going to bring that to I assume two consoles at some point, you know, all the native game pad shit seems like it's like, okay, well this makes far too much sense here for them to not do esventially. But if they do, it's it's gonna take a hit Nintendo launch game for their new concert Which or two bring it the UI is gonna make way more sense with a touch screen in there. Alchemy way easier. Just drag the potions over to that those slots. It sounds like the subject matters right

up Nintendo's alley, so exactly. Naked Bitches, that was right Reggie's Alley. That was pretty much all I played. There's a lot of L one hot new releases. Yeah, well one hot new release and then one release because of a hot new release, because of a hot new release, Jeff Gers, When you were in Los Angeles all last week, yeah, City of Angels. So I didn't play L n nor I lived. It's actually

have a sealed copy of Lnoir at home. You know that I did not play over the weekend, Santa Monica, how much do you want to talk about what you were doing in La? So it was like a pre show week for E three stuff. So I saw a ton of stuff related to two E three games that will be shown at E three, demos that will be given in theaters at E three. You've done E three already. I have seen a significant percentage of the games that will be shown at D three,

but you cannot talk about most of those until three three. Yeah, yeah, what can you talk sonic generations? What can you talk sonic generation? What is that? That's uh, the Sonic that Jog game, right, but what is it? Is that a compilation? No, it's not

a compilation. It is, but it's got the Green Hill Zone in it, of course, but it's actually you know, yeah, every but it's so it's basically like the demo they were showing they finally brought back the Sonic of my youth that I love kind of again, yeah, all over again. It's like four except except that the physics are bad. I don't dude,

Yeah, I don't even know. So the demo every other song of the Hedgehog game for the last decade, the demo there were show is like you could choose between old style or new style, so it'll be kind of like two games in one in that sense. And the old style is you know, it's old Sonic. He doesn't have the homing attack, he can do the spin dash. It's basically like Sonic two move set, but all new graphics. You know, it's not the same levels from Sonic Too or

anything like that, but it's the same basic idea. The camera does some weird stuff like if you're running through corkscrews or down things that a camera will you know, tilt in ways that it wouldn't have been able to do on a Genesis. Wait, so it's is it two D? It is a two D. I mean it's not. It's Polenal graphics, but but it is. It is a two D. It is a classic Sonic game. That sense, all right, it'll just do some camera tricks when you're in

you know, some some situations where you're not controlling anything. So the retail disc games is most of a Sonic game. Yes, this is a disc based game. So then they have the other, which is the new style, which is basically sonic colors. Like that's hyper homing attacks. Sometimes it's behind the back. Sometimes you're grinding on rails, all that sort of stuff. Like I guess, yeah, like it, I guess it looks okay, I don't know, like like it's it's you saying you've lost the ability

to to think about the Hedgehog game. It looks totally pointless. Like I left kind of going like why does this even exist? Actually had to ask, I was like, so what does this mean for Sonic four? Like you already kind of tried to make an old new Sonic game. What the fuck's going on? Presumably there's at least one more episode of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sonic four was Sonic four episode one, and they were meant to be like at least three episodes of that, I guess.

And and the guy doing the demo was very quick to say, like, oh no, no, Sonic four, that's still on. That's you know, that's a that's a different game, because the physics are all different and all. This is just like like a different thing. I was like, so wait a minute, to which I kind of wanted to say but did not. It's like, so everyone complained about how horrible the physics were in Sonic four, so instead of just fixing that for another episode, you're making

an entirely different game. What the hell's going on? So I don't know what they'll charge for it in the end, but you know, it's it's it's disc based, disc based Xbox PlayStation three. I imagine it's we So I get a pos. Maybe I don't know, So it's the generation stuff because they're like two styles. I'm supposed to like, yeah, yeah, it's like they designed two Sonics, Like there's the kind of chubbier looking original Sonic and yeah, like there's Sonic and then there's another Sonic. So I

send us an email. They were losing their minds over it, and I'm just like this, I don't. This just seems stupid and and yeah, I basically says, I was like, I'm not I'm not going to fall for this again. It stormed. I haven't necessarily fallen. Yeah, i'ven't fallen for a Sonic game in a pretty long time. I've been pretty good about I said, good day making this, Yes, exactly. Uh, So I can talk about that. I think I can say I played days. Let's skip that. I don't. I don't really know. It's got

kind of hard to keep a lot of that stuff straight. But okay, uh but I can't talk about by Shock Infinite. All right, do you want do you want to talk about BioShock Infinite? Yeah, okay, I want to hear about BioShock infinitely. Tell me, so, tell Vinny about BioShock. Tell me about BioShock. So, I think, barring any sort of actual announcements of new mind blowing products at E three, I'm pretty sure

that BioShock Infinite will be everyone's game of show the bold claim. Yeah, there was some other stuff that I saw that week that you know, it look pretty cool. You know, you got your sometimes the notes you don't play right. Definitely saw some some cool stuff. But that game is pretty awesome, pretty awesome from the demo they gave and granted, you know,

so it's very guided demo. I got to mess around with a controller and verify that it was in fact interactive, but it doesn't necessarily I mean, you know, like they played it in a very specific way for a very specific reason. So how much can you actually talk about it? Like whatever you played? Yeah, whatever, So did they start you off in that early portion? Again? It was it was it the like the horse and then the whole the crow juice and all that stuff. No, not really.

This was more designed to show kind of how the moment to moment combat will work and kind of show some of the powers that Elizabeth will have. What's a moment to moment combat? Like what will happen from one moment to the next while you were playing? Yeah, features moment to moment yea like always like there's a pause and then you select a new guy and then like also include graphics, you know, because there are there are mechanics that game.

There are things in that game that you know, look kind of crazy, like you've got your hook so you can kind of grind on the trolley, like the skytram rails and and all that stuff, and you know, ostensibly all the while you're fighting. But you know, the game's not all

about combat. The game is really about a battle between two factions on Columbia, and that's the Founders and the Vox Popular and they're they're kind of each run by an individual per and you'll interact with the leaders of these two factions. I guess. So, do you know if that conflict develops only in accordance with the flow of the story, or is that any kind of like a like a back and forth like well, that conflict has already kind of

started going, but I guess you will. You and Elizabeth will prove to be the catalyst that kind of kicks it into high gear. What I mean is I mean, I hate to break it down in such mechanical terms, but is there any kind of like a territory control or is there a I didn't see anything like that again, will of the people meter or anything crazy like right right, it didn't seem like that was necessarily a system, but

that it very well could be that that I don't really know. I mean, it wasn't really BioShock first one, pretty linear game, right, very storage. Yeah, I think that this game will end up being very story driven and very linear in the end. But that's not to say you're not making choices. So, but it's not necessarily like very clear kind of good guy bad guys stuff. And he's even Elizabeth, who's been you know, living locked up in this tower then has only just recently escaped and started to

kind of figure out what her weird abilities are. She's not necessarily there saying like, oh, make sure you do the right thing. Like she's just like, this guy's about to be executed, and yeah, you can hit A to stop execution, or I could just fire my gun to stop the execution, but who knows what that's actually going to start. So what they

did in that case was hit the button too. So they actually have a timed kind of timed stuff in there where the prompt comes up and says hit A and below it it says stop execution, and there's a meter filling up around the button, so you really only have a brief period of time to think about if you're going to stop that execution or not. When you stop it, you know, it's it's like literally like Booker to Wit going like,

hey, don't that guy. I didn't do nothing. Then it returns around and goes, hey, it's that guy, and they started basically coming at you, and and so it'll end up being stuff like that. Like one of the examples that I guess wasn't in the demo, but they were talking about I guess being in the full game or or something that might show up in the E three version of them. I'm not I'm not really sure. Is that. You know, you see like a dentist being tossed through

a window and he's got like guys kind of beating him up. You could just kind of walk past that and let it happen, or you could save him, and then I guess if you save him later on the game, he might actually just be yanking out the gold teeth of dead bodies and comes up and goes like, hey man, thanks for saving me. He has some gold teeth coat. Yeah. Yeah, So it's it's that sort of situation where they want to make it ambiguous about you know, what your actions

are and what's really the right move. It's it's it's more about it's more about Booker and Elizabeth and you know, their relationship and and making sure that they escape and you know they'll have to make some some tough choices along the way. I guess. So, what's that combat? Like you shoot stuff? Is well left your zooms in right, No, it's so the stuff of the combat is I mean, obviously you know you saw him in the previous video that you would get hours sort of like the the BioShock stuff,

except you know you're shooting crows out of your freehand. Deb's yeah, so you will have that. You will have guns, you know, pistol shotgun RPG like guns, guns, weapons. But then Elizabeth's powers end up factoring into a lot of that stuff in what could be some pretty interesting ways, like with you, like, yeah, with you. So it's it's not

an escort game. They're they're They've been very clear both times we've been out and and talked to them about it, like this is not one big escort mission where you are making sure she doesn't die, like she doesn't have a gun and won't be shooting, but she can kind of take care of herself.

You know, you'll see her like kneeing guys in the growing I guess, And basically her ability is to kind of open tears in space time or you know, or something like that, so you'll see objects in the world that are not part of your world, but you can still perceive them. So in this case, after he's stopping the execution, everyone tries to jump you, and it's it's you know, there are a lot of guys, and so you look around and you'll see like a kind of fuzzy barrel full

of weapons. And when you look at these things, you'll say, open tear. And then in parenthses weapons. And then for one of them, there was actually kind of a trolley like a tram or whatever coming in on these rails and it was not it was not phased in, and you know, you could phase that in and its description was cover and you hit that, Uh, that's the one they chose in the demo, and he just

kind of calls out, hey, Elizabeth, open do this. She brings it into this realm and then it immediately knocks over like four guys who are running at you, kinda so it's, uh, you know, she's not necessarily comfortable with her powers and doesn't know how to use them, so you have to make a choice. You can't do both. Oh so you're either getting weapons cover. Yeah, so you kind of have that's it, you know. So you and I guess as she gets more powerful, maybe you'll

be able to open two of them and encounter or something like that. Yeah. So one of these guys eventually gets to this big flare launching contraption that calls in a fucking zeppelin that comes in is just like raining down rockets, and you know, on your position, it is ridiculous, and it just looks great, like this whole thing is just like you know, granted, it's just like vertical slice, like not no real indication of how the final

game's gonna run or anything like that. Uh, that was an Xbox I believe, No, No, you know what, it was a PC with an Xbox controller. I think when we went out there, that's what they were showing it on. I'd assume it was still that anyway. So you know, now you have to deal with this zeppelin and you're kind of left with more choices, Like there's another kind of barrel of weapons, and there's also a turret, so you could call the turret and control that instead.

He just jumps on one of these like tram rails, and you know it's like you just have a hook so you can attach and sus you're on it, you're gone. Like it's so fast, it's crazy how fast things move.

I mean, you know, it's like you're used to this kind of like almost like methodical pace of something like BioShock, and just to see like this huge environment like super vertical and just be like I'm gonna go, and then you catch that rail and you're just jamming and you're fighting on the rails like you're shooting guys like all the while, you know they're kind of chasing

you, so you're turning around and shooting at them. They aren't coming in on other rails, you know, they're jumping from run rail to the next to try and get to you, and eventually kind of makes his way up to the zeppelin, which he's already fired a few rockets at so it's already

kind of on fire. Gets on the zeppelin like mows down the guys that are on it, and then the demo ended pretty much by him just jumping off the side of this zeppelin and there's just being a rail way at just falling for days and catching this rail so you can just seems scripted or he

just like caught I mean it was he positioned it and caught it. From what I could see, you know, you could see little icons showing where you're gonna land or or you know, if you jump right now, this is where you're going to kind of go if you want to connect from one way l to the next. So there clearly is a system there to let you kind of do that stuff at will. But that said, I mean the actions of this demo, but like, make no mistake, it was

very tightly scripted. Like like talking to them afterwards, it was like, yeah, there were like three spots in the demo where it could have gone horribly wrong we would have to restart, but I nailed it. So like you know, he had played that thing one hundred and fifty times and literally like you know, blow up and like the character jumps off. You don't control you control that, so I mean, and also you didn't have to go up there and do that. You could have phased in that turret and

and done that. So this whole time you're you're trying to get to this guy calm Stocks place. He's the leader of the Founders and theoretically he'll the idea at least is that he'll be able to help you with Elizabeth's powers. And the kind of the catch on that is that Elizabeth has been protected for pretty much her and time o life by this big thing called the Songbird, this big creature that you know, if you had to, if you had to pick out one thing in that game and go, that's your big daddy.

It's kind of like that, but it's a giant, giant mechanical birdman. Thing is huge and crazy looking. We've seen like, yeah, there's been there's been some stuff. Yeah, the kind of glimpses, yeah, Songbird it's crazy, Like, yeah, it's awesome. It looks really nice.

And the demo actually ends with Songbird kind of coming back to take a no, to take her back, and I guess the ideas that the relationship they are is supposed to be kind of complicated, like, you know, he is jealous of her not being in her tower where she belongs, or has been programmed or you know whatever whatever. Songbird ends to be yeah,

if ever right. Yeah. So the other thing is with Elizabeth's powers is you know, you're kind of on your way to to Comstock's place, and she sees a horse that is basically still alive but not doing real well, and she takes off and runs over there, and it's kind of like flipping

out about this horse. I have to say that, out of everything that has been described about the world of BioShock and fat, for some reason, horses on your Flying City is the fucking weirdest thing, Like, yeah, why like and like, and of both of these demos that they've shown so far, horses have been pivotal yeah in in them, which is even better. Wait, dying horse. So I'm telling some of this stuff out of sequence. It's not necessarily in the order that had happened. But so she

finds this horse and is like, no, there's a tear here. I can save it. But you know, she's kind of new to her powers. She's not real comfortable, so she's trying to tries to open a tear to maybe whin this horse was not so beat up and on fire or whatever the hell has happened to this horse, and ends up opening a tear and all of a sudden, you were in the early eighties, like really, and there's a movie, a movie Marquis that says Revenge of the Jedi.

A Tears for Fears song is playing, and there's a cop car screaming up the streets in your direction, and there's a close like they closed the tear. So it did not explained that this is even the same universe. This could be whatever. Well it's implied that this is all time based, that it's not necessarily well, I don't know. I mean, it could be it could be other dimensions. Well it's in some dimension where it came out as Revenge of the Jedi instead of Return of the Jedi, right, so

or you know, like we don't. This is like BioShock is such a weird you know schism or like you know, fractured timeline. I was like, was it like recognizably times Square or something like that, or it didn't look like it didn't look like any specific area. It was just dark city Street wasn't implied, but it was. Yeah, and it was just like the future movie theater off to the right. Yeah, no indication of it if it was a sky city or anything, because it was just nighttime City

Street. What the fileshot for me? That BioShock for me, I was always like that kind of fallouts, that like, oh, this is at some point in the past things went left instead of right, and like, well, is it's so far in the future that it's the past again. Well, like it's like a it's like a, isn't it just like things went differently? Yeah, things went bad so far in the past that things never fall fall fallout is alternate history from like nineteen fifty on world, different

stuff happened. And that's kind of how I always felt about BioShock. It was like, oh, you know, like it kind of went like this similar alternate direction, so like except that every should have never gotten except that everything that's happening. I mean this this brings up some some different shit as far as kind of overall like BioShock universe continuity. But you know, the original bios are the first two Bioshocks are pretty much taking place completely out of

sight of the rest of the world. No one else, you know, we don't have any any evidence that anyone else in the world fucking knows that all of this crazy shit is happening. Yeah, the only connection of water there's a plane, because that's how the dude gets there. So I know

there's at some point we know that there's still planes. Yeah, but like, yeah, you open up a riff like that and tell me, like this nineteen eight it could be the future, Like I have no idea when that sky city is supposed to be happening is happening in a very specific time. It's yeah, yeah, they did date it, but but like so it's in like an actual like nineteen yeah, it's it's the teen space Okay, it's like, you know, they invented into some World's fair or something,

this American sky City. But then that American sky City decides to launch an attack against China, which point the US has to kind of disavow. At that point, it just takes off and disappears, and you're an ex Pinkerton this booker to wit guy and someone comes to you and says, hey, I needed to find this girl. By the way, she's on Columbia, and by the way, I know where Columbia is. So have they ever said that this is in the same universe as BioShock and BioShock Rapture style

BioShock, or if they I'm not sure. If they've they've kind of come forward. If it is, it would be before those events, thirty years before the events of Rapture. Yeah, I didn't know. That put a hard day down. Yeah, well, I mean it. Yeah, it's like they are trying to pull a very specific kind of esthetic tone for that much as they did with with the original Bioshop. It's just it's it is more of that turn to Centu, but it's gays in New York. It's

that kind of ship. At one point, there's an Abraham Lincoln gag in there, so there's some Abraham Lincoln exists in this universe. But there's also like mechanical horses and stuff, right, like there's there's yeah, I mean technology. It's it's technology to run wild, which sort of like how Rapture was. Right, it's, you know, these guys left to their own devices without the limits of morality or whatever. The hand of the man coming

down the great chain. They picked it up, and that's cool. That's that's exciting because I had no idea what that game was shaping up to be. Uh, you know, I thought I had a pretty good idea, but after seeing some of that stuff, I'm not even sure anymore, like it's I think at that point, like once you show something like that, yeah, like that game can go anywhere. David, Are they talking about dates for that next year? Okay? Sometimes I don't want to know anything

else. That's it. I don't you know too much already. That's yeah, I'm good. Just let me know when it's done. It looked fantastic.

It's like the characters and stuff just look great. The interactions. There's a bit of downtime at the beginning where they're showing some kind of exploration stuff going through this kind of abandoned store looking for money and other stuff like that, and you know, the interaction between Booker and Elizabeth just seems really genuine and interesting and also like that that part seems really dynamic, where you know, they've kind of lined up a bunch of things that might happen if you're

standing in the right place. And Elizabeth gets to say a giant, funny Abraham Lincoln head and puts it on oh and makes it and I was like, oh, I'm gonna be fourst coorse, oun't you you know. It's like it's just kind of funning around in the downtime, you know, and also like Booker will kind of talk to himself. It's not like full on silent protagonists. Like he's like opening up cast Red cash registers and go to a scratch okay, picking up guns and talking about Roscoe's you know, like

that sort of stuff. So he is a character, yes, okay, yes, what I care? Do you think it'll be? It's a really good character name. Also, yeah, I like it. So I keep thinking of Ellis de Wald from Beverly Hills Cop three. It's okay, I think somebody will be shown that off at a press conference this year. I think that'll be an on stage kind of like I can't imagine. I mean this, this demo that I saw was going to be shown in a theater at every half hour, so right, okay, yeah I want to see

it. Yeah we can. I have very excited. I have asked some questions about how can I make sure that the rest of these guys get in to see this demo? And they say, I just let us know. Oh man, I don't know if I want to see it. Now. What's after a description like that? That's just you know, that's that's he knows now enough, Brad now knows that it'll be really good. Yeah, And that's that kind of kind of we had good reason to suspect before it would be good. It's time to go in a blackouts. It just it

looks fantastic. And wait, I can't I can't underscore that enough that it just the interaction between the two characters just seems like it is on some real next level type shit looks really nice. I especially have the regrettable experience of knowing everything about BioShock before I played it, I mean everything. Yeah, so I really want to avoid that. I think they're probably gonna do do

a little better about this stuff was the case. This was a case of like people pirting the game and these broilers on forums and stuff like just like three days that stuffs hard to you know. But yeah, just in terms of like, you know, I think this is the right amount of teasing to say, like, by the way, she is capable of some weird stuff. That's what things are going to have in this game. That's this

You won't expect they're showing that eighties stuff. Now if they're willing that the thing they're teasing with, what did they give you any sense of like how deep into the game you were when they showed that that was like a third or halfway somewhere on there. Okay, it wasn't necessarily late game stuff.

Okay, but it wasn't necessarily first five minutes r either. Right. Well, the whole thing is that she will, you know, she will develop over the course of the game, Like she has a very kind of defined arc that you know, by the end of the game, she'll be a lot more comfortable with her abilities and a lot further along. So theoretically she won't be accidentally opening portals to other times. So I'll do it. Yeah,

what else you see a bunch of other stuff. I feel like that's gonna be a really hard game to start covering at some point if if it does get that crazy where you just I just think that, you know, it's like, well, you figure, when did the when does that game come out? Like when do you shift that game next year? Is it an early twenty twelve or is the mid to late twenty twelve. I think

that's that's gonna determine how many more times they show it. You figure they show it here, then it's like do they do anything new for games? Calm, Like, I don't I almost don't think they need to because that's still relatively close. Yeah, but two K likes showing off their games a lot, and this is this is not rock Star, this is two K. Rock Star will always play it super close to the vest UK, will always trot their shit out. But two kPr does not run irrational. Irrational

has its own PR. But two K can still run that stuff out. I guess they just maybe are can do it. They have to do it without irrational people. I don't know. I don't know what that relationship is like. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't either, but I bet they have a level of control over how that game is exposed that would prevent people from showing it too frequently, or or making sure that new

stuff gets generated specifically to show. I think they could get away with like two more pieces of two more chunks like this, like the first one they put out. In this one, you know there's significant ship it, yeah, significant bits. Well it sounds exciting. I'm excited. Brad Shoemaker,

you play anything other than replaying El Noir Man, Yeah? I mean I don't fault you, so, yeah, I I restarted after playing the PSGRE version that you gave me last week and then my three sixty versions showed up, so I was kind of re catching up through those first three hours or

whatever. It was interesting just seeing uh, you know, some stories playing out ever so slightly differently, or or like oh I found this other piece of evidence and that makes like this part of this investigation go a lot more smooth. Yeah. Definitely had that experience too, And I find that I'm really good at at collecting evidence and I have about fifty percent or slightly higher success rate with the interrogations. So I just have to roll with that stuff.

Yeah, why are you laughing just breaking down your stats of like, oh, yeah, well, because they tell you all that shit. When it's over, it's like you found x out of x pieces of evidence and you successfully got through these interrogation points. It's like someone sat down and said, we like those CSI games where we're gonna make a really good one. It kind of it kind of is way bigger budget. It's it's like they took the CSI game and then added Phoenix right to it. Yeah, and

then said it in nineteen forties. I can't wait to start playing that game. I'm gonna start tonight. It's neat. It's pretty neat, yeah, which is like the funny thing is like, as soon as something like this comes out, like the bomb cast, email just floods with people being like, well, what do you think if they set a game like this in this universe that I'm like, I don't after playing this game. Guess what, I'm not gonna want it to immediately play this game again, right,

Like the idea of like, well here's a hot idea. Everyone should jump on this, Like no, don't, don't do that. Everyone keep going and trying other shits. I want to have multiple experiences, not just like, yes, this one was good, but I could also see this one

being handled really badly. This game could have been complete shit if it didn't have you know, the development time, the technology and everything else that they polished to detail, like the kind of period appropriate setting and everything, like all the research they did, I mean a lot about that game could have been extremely awful, ye, all of it. Yeah, the the you know, ambition does not necessarily equal aptitude, definitely not, but in this

case, they pulled it off. Indeed, I've been I've been playing through the New Red Fashion game, which I'm not yet at Liberty to discuss oh Armageddon. Yes, uh, how appropriate. Notwithstanding the quality of the game, though, I have to give an a plus or five stars to thhq's effort to get us that game this early. Yes, Ray and bravo and well done, thanks Neil. Almost never get games. I mean this is god three weeks that's that's a week of B three, or almost three weeks

before that game is actually on shelves. We got a retailed disc that will play in pretty close to it. Do you think it has something to do with awareness of like, well E three is coming up, and we understand it was a bare disc and a sleeve, so it's probably just like, hey, we got these in which I think it's very specifically like this game ships the week of E three and there's also no One's points. Yeah, we're in a weird we're in a weird bind with like there's three games or

two two Infamous, Infamous, Too Infamous, and this. I think some of those ones the week of the week right after that week, isn't I thought that was like the twenty first they push it. I don't. It's it's right in that wheelhouse. There was. It was because the following week is like Alice and Duke's Duke and child of Eden. Oh really, yeah, what did that happen? I don't know, but that's that's that's when. That's what's the end of the It's the end of the quarter. It's

coming out the fourteenth June is the end of the quarters. So everyone's got a pump stuff out of necessity those but these don't feel like your usual like end of the quarter pumps. You know, this is all like relevant. I'm listening all games that I am very eager to see and play all that stuff, and we definitely need to cover all of that stuff. But three, I'll say that maybe I'm not so interested in anything that Alice has to

offer. I'm saying after seeing it playing it, I'm I'm definitely eager to play some Alice like you guys have seen more of it than I have. But I just I don't know something about that. I don't even care, actually doesn't. I don't even care about the original like I have noah, no fondness for the origin. I never played it original, but the new ones. Yeah, well you get to play the original again with achievements.

I'm not I probably won't. They've got yeah, it's actually part of the part of the New Alice's achievement set has achievements for Old Alice in it because it's part of that whole online passing. Anyway, I'll be good on them for you know, like we will review and quick look this game before E three because we can, because they make we can do. So. Yeah, does it take place on Mars? I can't answer. I can't answer. Are you waiting for Armageddon or has Armageddon already occurred? What can you

tell me about geomod technology? Break stuff so too much? Someone someone wrote me in some form somewhere. It's really specific I know, and said, Hey, isn't Red Faction Armageddon just Epic Mickey but with guns instead of paint, because like the whole thing is you have the break stuff gun and the build stuff gun. Yeah, so it's just like paint thinner versus point. Hey, you know what, Epic Mickey was great in concept, It was

just in mechanical execution that was the problem. So yeah, sure, it's it's like I can confirm that the break stuff and remake stuff aspect is in the game. You're willing to go that far put your neck out like that bold of you so, uh, I mean, I figured I should do my due diligence. I never I never got around the playing Gorilla a couple of years ago when it came out. Really so I fired that up. That's a good game on the PC. It's fucking fun. Yeah, I

get's stupid, stupid, awesome, excellent fun. You can get a little along, and I can some stretches could get I barely made it into the second kind of zone or whatever, and I can already see how it could probably get pretty repetitive over time, but it still remains fun. But man, just run around blowing shit up, Like just the way stuff explodes in that game, the way the explosives work, the way you're like, I'm

just gonna run this truck into that building or just something what happened. And some of the weapons later on are actually where they think you get, like the nano gun or something, and you're literally just like the synec Yeah, even just even now, just getting to throw a light dinner but a gun, think about it, think about it throwing like three sticky charges inside of building its strategic points, and the sticky charges are favorite awesome. It's good.

Their technology for some reason works really well straight. Well, that reason is probably they're very smart guys working on it, But like you expect something like that to not really work and then consistently keeps working, and you're like that it seems kind of natural. That has weight, sure that should even just like the stuff where like you put a hole in something and it takes a little while for like the structure for like, yeah, the load that

that has put on to the rest of the structure. So you're like, they did not employ they did not hit it with a sledgehammer for a second, No civil engineers were employed in the making of this game. Like, they did not you know, it did not test for structural integrity on this stuff, you know. But it's funny, like you can almost there are moments in the in that game and in Gorilla specifically, where you can see the game like crunching the numbers of like collapse. Should this thing stay up?

No? Up? There goes? Yeah, no, that's gotta go. And the thing I really love about that game too, is like it consistently works like that, right, But I always would find myself surprised that I was underneath that building as I was using a Oh yeah, I did take this beer out. I've noticed that no, no, oh, I should have been on the outside. Wait does that end up killing you? Or yeah? I noticed that he has like the strongest skull in history.

Can get Yeah, you can have things bear quite a bit of weight. On topic, it's when those towers as big towers just comes back the smoke stack. Yeah, and it just thinking of a specific encounter or something where he had knocked down a smoke stack and it was it was one of those like you only have three you have two bullets and three of these challenges containers or whatever to knock down. This tower just came down and one of those Yeah, just like like okay, I blew a hole out of it,

and I'm kind of looking at it. I'm walking around like I don't know if that's gonna do it, and then oh eight, it comes on my skull. So did you guys all finish the story in that game, because I mean looking at the size of the world and the number of missions there are, and you know, it's kind of a one track experience by the end of it. By the end of it, it was like I was

a bit of a drag. I was wondering if they could keep the momentum, and so there are definitely mission types that you just kind of don't want to do, like the hostage rescue stuff later on like that. That's that's a game that you want to kind of just play on Easy. Yeah, It's it's a lot It's a lot more fun that way. I've never seen a game so universally thought to be the best Uneasy, Like everything I've ever read about that game on every forum and everywhere it is like just played on

Easy. It's kind of like it's just it lets you focus on the parts of that game that are that are really well done, right, It's kind of been more unished where you're just they built a great engine and some physics stuff and then you just want to go and play with all the toys. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean Mars is probably it's it's a tough environment to keep visually interesting, you know. It's like you're moving from one arity

to the other. It's the cars. Everything is red and now everything is kind of a grayish red, you know, and you see a lot of the same like structurally, like you see a lot of I'm sure all that stuff is very pretty fab It gets recycled pretty rapidly, but it's it's honestly, it's the wide open spaces in that game that and you know it's kind of part of the thing that makes it feel like Mars, but you know, it just kills the pace on on Gorilla of like, fuck, I

gotta get all the way over this other place and yeah something because there is there. Yeah, really super late game. Although yeah, all this should be like a I know, it makes getting over those like a halfway at most kind of thing. Oh that's a bum. There's no fits. I forget the jet pack. I forget some I remember being one of those things where I got it and I was just like, man, this is pretty cool. This would have really made the everything I just played and the handbook.

There's like air vehicles as well of some kind a gunship kind of looking thing, and so there's no fast travel or anything. I think you can fast travel between bases Baska, but it's one of those games where it's weird. It's like, I feel like it's even a dated mechanic now where you're like building up faction rep Point. I kind of enjoy like I and like

Infamous, I conquered every single territory there was to conquer. Yeah, like like I've set out in in in Guerrilla to do that, but some of those mission types up but random like like wanton destruction also contributes to that number. So that's pretty cool, right. So yeah, you get to the point where there's almost like you've kind of destroyed all the easy stuff and it's all of a sudden like, oh, now I have to go rescue these guys and it's mission I really got to go way out of my way to

find anything to even blow up. Yeah. Yeah, it pitches you a little bit at the end that stuff, but yeah, it's having a lot of fun with it so far. I need to find a way to play PC game on my TV. It doesn't involve moving the computer. So are you playing on a PC? Yeah, I'm playing the PC version. It looks great. I mean that was gonna be more questions, sixty sixty frames, like maxed out everything. We are really just in that point of like

is it the PC version or the console version? I remember it wasn't Red Faction in the game that was like kind of broken on PC. I think I remember there being a lot of issues. So I ended up buying that on PC on some Steam sale or Yeah, I had an immedia immediately regretting it because it just didn't run right. And then you know, going to like the Steam message board for it, and it's just full of people bitching out how fuck that game is. And it's like, oh, Volition came

out and said they're not gonna make any more patches, guys. So if it's broken, it's still broken. It pulled out a patch when I started, and it's it's totally been fun since I started playing it. I mean, I have a different computer now, so maybe it wouldn't be an issue. I mean, but if I had had the Xbox version, I would have played that, right, But I happened to have the PC version. It's not like I've taken a stand here or anything. Yeah, regardless,

we need to find a solution. You guys, doings of your carrying into the table. I had to take away a thing from Vinnie, so breaking the table, carve into the table anymore. It's like he's bored in Civics class. No prison visit you want to come to and put that on my desk? Are we getting very in very different game? Different? Yeah? I mean it's a you know, this is not open World review related at all to say that it's a linear shooter. Oh yeah, you tell me

I don't blow stuff up? And I understand we've seen it. I can I can see the like losing the open world element after remembering some of the things about the open world in in Grilla like that that could help that experience. All you gotta do is tell me where to go and shoot my gun. Give me up. I'm fine. Don't you don't even tell me what what I could pick the blow up be like in this mission? Go there, blow up? Okay, got it great? Are there people underneath that

building? Fanats that helps? That's that don't make things? Makes it more fun for me? Stick like that? All right? So any ideas about my PC? We gotta figure this out as it is right now, just hto two. Layout of my house is not such that's at all feasible at all at all, not at all across the room do they would have to go out of the room the computer is in and down the hall and across like two footpaths by bireless HDMI. So that's the thing. I mean,

I know that technology. How would you get the controller put too much latency? Or how would your keyboard and your mask can us communicate again, that's the problem. I think you need to get a Shuttle PC and put it into your living room. I think you need to get that computer another. Buying another computer is given is admitting defeat. Basically, I don't know compute

in the living room. That's also not going to happen. Well, then then you're not gonna play games in your living room and then get a new TV and put that into your computer, make your little room in computer rooms, you're gonna have to get something and put it somewhere else. That's w was selling like forty inch TV at ten adptvs like three fifty four hundred dollars recently, like the house brand. I just done the just buying one of

those. I'm just putting next to the computer for stuff like this. But you basically, it's not the TV. It's not just the TV. Yes, because sitting at a desk and using a game pad is not very comfortable or it's very awkward. It's nowhere to like put your hands. It's I just like my couches. Couches are also pretty cool, you do. I mean you're talking about pretty much using a controller from because using a keyboard and mouse on a couch and it sucks absolutely. I hate using I hate playing

games on my couch gas that are made from PC. I play on a monitor at a desk with Masse keyboard and that's it. But like this game, the mouse movement actually feels kind of bad in this game. It's very clearly made for a console. Yeah, in this I think you gotta get you gotta get that computer close to your Smith drilled a hole between his office and his living room and ranch cable and got the wireless three sixty. But he also owns his house. But yeah, he's able to do that.

Even if I owned this building, I would not. This is just the layout is just not suitable for you. Go out a window, coming man, HDMI cables in the walls, Hdmi over electric lines solution anyway, You just run HDMI in the walls, they make little plates and ship your house. Well yeah, if you did though, if you did that, I

was always afraid. I was just talking to Will again about this about if I were to buy a house and do that, then, like, are you the dude twenty years later who has like HDMI ports were like or like you'd have s video ports basically like today or something like that, and be like I just it was cool at the time, but man, I don't know the track. Yeah, no, absolutely, because I think fucking wires

are incredibly dumb. It'll it won't be long. Remember like we used to have wires is everywhere like physical like like a piece of metal thing that you would use to connect devices together. But weird. I don't know if they do that. Why didn't they just use wireless? It doesn't make any sense. Mean, wireless HTMI has been around, like they that worked, but the latency is just the latency playing a game. There's a lot of wireless

wireless television, but I couldn't play games on it. I think the thing is, though, you'll always have wireless and then it'll always have a better thing over wired, so until it gets such a diminishing return where like, yeah, you're over your wireless HD man, but I've got wired you know, Hologram whatever, and like, oh well when that comes twenty one sixty over wires, over wireless, you're still only running. Wait is that super

high vision or I thought that was even higher than that. It's probably exists already. That's just it. You're not gonna see anytime. I'm telling that Buddy Smart captured gear anyway. No, it's like it's theoretical right now. It's like, No, they've made screens for ADP. They actually in Japan. It's like one of those things where like they made make the standards for HD in like nineteen sixty seven, early eighties is when HD was developed. But no, I mean like n HK set the standards for ten ADP in

nineteen sixty seven. I'm sure about that. I'm pretty sure it was the early eighties. No, I've looked. I've looked extensively into that. I met, we made out about it, But I don't know if Jeff would be into it. Whoever makes out the most wins, I'd be into watching it. I don't know anyway. The sadly, the review embargo for Arbageddon is even passed the next podcast and then we'll beat three, so well, the last you'll ever hear about Red Faction on this podcast. That's unfortunate.

By the time we get back to a podcast and aren't talking about e three things that that game will be ancient history. Yeah, but look for a review in a quick flo sweet I went to a parade on Saturday for what to watch? It not your reason? Oh why was there a parade? It's the fucking the Luther Burbank Rose Parade. Happens in Santa Rosa every year for like the last one hundred and eighteen years. Wow, who's Luther Burbank. He's a horror culturist who lived in uh or the Santa Rosa area.

It's just just north of Pedaluma, where I lived. Did he found Burbank beautiful downtown Burbank? No, he grew Roses. I saw Gallagher at the Luther Burbank Center when I was in junior high. That fucking terrible. He didn't blow your mind with this is cat now it says bat Occasionally I had to pull up the plastic sheet though so close. Yeah. Wow, it's like graduation present pressive. That's cool. That is a unique experience that people have row. Right, is he still alive? Yeah? Him and his

brother hanging out with Michael Stipe or are they seeing each other still? And then like one steal the auting like that? I think real Gallagher, though, is has gone like super duper crazy. Oh yeah, it was always a little but like he's lost the comedy bit. Yeah. Now it's just like scary, tragic, kind of just still wearing the hat storming out of podcast the most tragic part. The suspenders were pretty trap. No, I don't think he wears the hat anymore. I think he's just celebrating his extreme

baldness with the with the curtains hanging down. No, no ze, do you get buff or something? You know you didn't care to top again doing cycles of the juice, staring each other really intensely for hours of the time. Pete ninety. Oh Gallagh, she's watermelons. Now he just uses his

fists, doesn't even need the hammer anymore. That's what they should do in BioShock, Infant opens a rift and Gallagher jumps out and just smashes all your enemies, and you can summon Gallagher the next final fantasy, My protector Gallagher Gallagher. That would be an awesome movem flying up and there's a million tiny watermelons spinning around him. Sorry, guys, I can't talk about this is the direction final face he really needs to go in like someone bad like eighties

and nineties comics to like do their bits. We took it in a different direct, but we'll just take us, like you know, Kingdom Hars was good, but working with Disney was such a pain. As we find Jeff Doneham much more receptive to our ideas. So here comes Stephen Wright when his racists, he puts people to see character. Here comes Platypus Man. Oh you never watched Platypus Man. I think it's his real name. I don't know. This is this I'm going through my like comic relief stuff now right

now, summoned Kevin Meaney. You go through comic release? Are you like watching the old tapes? Yeah? So by my marathon of comic relief, like man Whoopy Goldberg was everything in like eighty seven and eighty eight. She was pretty sure it's crazy. She was all right, yeah, not bad. Rob Williams always kind of weird, and Billy Crystal just never could just never good. Billy Crystal always poison. That's what I learned from watching all

comic relief. Billy crist is the new Bob Hope, and Elaine Boosler is still kind of hot. I can't tell you why, but still throw it at her if I could. I'm with you. Yeah, all right, let's talk about some or Judy Tanuda. Sure, yeah, I was married Demo Phillips. We had this conversation. You were talking about your hate of Judy Tano. You can't even pull the name for Judy Tanuda. It was it was Judy with the accordion, all right, I looked it up.

Incredible, Judy ten eighty defined in nineteen seventy nine first demonstrated nineteen eighty one. Well, what's the HK thing? It was? That was an HK in nineteen seventy nine. Oh well, okay, then they were they were doing crazy hds W. Yeah, British, we're doing it like the thirties. Different different TV standards have been in development, yeah, consistently in many countries indeed. Yeah, all right, yeah, that's the case in Elie Noir. Break the HD case. Uh screen, Let's see here. What's

going on news? All right, Craig, Hey, what's going on in the news, buddy? What's up with the PSN? Still down in Japan because the Japanese government won't let them bring it back up until they make it ser Yeah, until they tell the Japanese that we're going to happen relatively shortly though. Store still down, store still down? So like, does it still lock? Up if you do the Ellie Noir store and stuff, I'm afraid to do it week, but they are. Was it this week that

they were supposed to start publishing stuff again? Did they have a schedule, don't know. Yes, they were going to roll stuff out like like three times a week until they're up to date up. Okay, I mean there must be so much stuff backlog at this point, that much stuff. It's only three weeks, four weeks. Now, what do you try to say? You know what I'm doing? PSP Remasters This was announced over the weekend from from Sony. These are going to be uh PSP PlayStation portable games that

they're gonna basically port up to the PS three. So Sony was like, we made all of these games, we thought they're kind of cool, but no one really paid to play for them, or you know, to play them. So the controls and put them out again. Well, they're doing a bunch of new art too, that's right. Weird thing to me is that they're paying artists to make new assets for this stuff. I wonder how

much of it is actual, like full on new art. How much of it is like we up resident and cleaned up the textures as best we could capcom put out shots of Munster Hunter video. Well, if you're gonna do a games that way, monster Hunter is the one you do, and the Monster Unders the one you actually pay real attention to. In Japan, Yeah, yeah, that's where the starting the video that came out of Japan and had straight up side by side video comparisons of the two, And it's pretty

clear aspectation on the PSP is not sixteen nine. I think it's something little goofy. Sure at sixteen it's close. I'm pretty sure at sixteen nine. Don't make me pull up Wikipedia again because I think we can capture it and it gets a little goofy. But I think it's because the games don't spit out full screen through the TV out on a PSP. We have to do something weird with them that way. I don't know. Four ADP doesn't count.

Its Modern Warfare three trailer just debuted, would you or debuted yesterday? Would you guys think of that? Pretty cool? Looks it's great the guns. They put a three where there should be an E. Did they? Did they really? Apparently? Oh that's in the teaser trailers. I mean that's I didn't watch they're exactly like the teaser trailers for Modern Warfare two. I don't think I watched those either. You you did, because we we

framed by framed that ship. Yeah, think about how much has changed in the two years from us framed by framing the Modern Warfare two trailer to what you're not even having watched any of the four teaser trailers that they have put out the Modern Warfare three. Do we discover by going frame there's rushing at the end, there's there's all kinds and there's rushing at the end of these ones too, all the like it's all the night vision, the night vision

wire wire frame looking stuffy. Yeah. Wow, they really just did that again. It really did that again. But it's four different course, but it's it's four different trailers, one for each retail in which the those videos going through the system. Yeah, with different different names. At that was me putting all those up and going like, SHOs, just bring these together to one trailer. Even that's too much work. That would be even more

work, Yeah, in a way. Well else again, right, uh, folks, you're talking about reboots of Karmageddon and the legacy of Cain word coming out of the idos slash Square Enix camp. Who I guess there's a countdown. Karmageddon is not a Square Enix project? Is it not that that

they had the license to it? Because they bought SI they have potentially sold the there's an update to that story that I believe that I believe the word is that they may have spun Karmageddon out to another developer or another publisher. Like the right's not necessarily like hey, we'd like to do a Karmageddon, but more like a hey, we're never going to make a Karmageddon, so

we'll sell it to these guys and they will make a Karmageddon. But like the domain was registered Square, so it's it's still kind of up in the air just to what that stuff's even gonna that being as most tell you, man, I could not imagine a company like Square putting out a Karmageddon that is relevant in in this day and age, because for that game to exist, it needs to be so far gone, so messed up, over the top crazy, and that's just not a game that that I think Square is

gonna make. I was just gonna say as much, I don't know what to make of Square in twenty eleven, at all. It's a it's a yes, like like the the kind of the fallback. You know, Japanese RPGs that have been their bread and butter for ever don't seem like they really resonate in the West anymore. And the games still sell, but yeah,

they're not necessarily like bring in new people. They're there, but then just like the new decisions that they're making about like, Okay, we need to be Western focused in some regards, so we're gonna make these odd acquisitions like it. I think it's just you know, if if that was still the

IDOS name and all that stuff, it wouldn't seem weird. It's just that since they bought Idos and now you know, all that stuff has Square's name on it, then it's like, to be fair, there's a lot of village too courtesy of Square in X and you're like, what the Idos would do weird shit all the time too, So yeah, to be fair, they were like the European Square. As much as I like Karmageddon, I don't know if I hoped if somebody tries to remake that game. I think

it was such a product of its time. Did he developer attached to it no such a weird The things I liked about it were I think locked in that yeah, you know it was. It was it kind of its time, like like very specifically, like you know, here's a car game where

you're just run over a bunch of dudes. Well it was like the cars would get all mangled up and like for for a computer game at that time, that kind of looked cool, but like now people could do that real well anyway, games I'll never played that game was that It must have been like mid nineties, early to mid nineties, so like sort of doom levels, but there were three of them. Two was like ninety seven or something, ninety six ninety seven because I looked I had I had a dedicated three

D video card in my computer at that point. Who colored lighting? Yeah so yeah, so all the sweet particle effects that I had in Karmageddon too. And it was a dopey game but you're still racing, but you were. It was a weird game. It was weird game. It's no Quarantine. Just keep saying that over and over again time anyone's listening. Someone made new Quarantine. Then we have something That's what I'll say. It's a legacy

of Kane though, that's a that's Silicon Knights originally. Yeah, it used to be, and then they sold it the first one, the only the first one actual. Yeah, and then Crystal Dynamics did all the soul Reaver games, right because then it was like it turned into like an actor person action game. Yeah, there was a Legacy of Kane, which was where you were playing Kane. It was top down, yeah, looking PlayStation game as Kane. I assume that. I assumed they just gave up the IP

in the publishing deal for that. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think they have any I mean has made future games in that series. And yeah, everything else was made a bunch of those Soul Reaver which is like the spitoff you're playing is razz yell, like Kane was the bad guy, and then they pulled it together and then they just do like Legacy of Kane two or something like Kane Defiant was the like weird team up where Kane and Rosil are in it together, but it's not as good as those other sul

Reaverer games where people are freaking love didn't. Amy Hinnigg of of Uncharted Fame worked on a bunch of the soul reaver stuff or some of it. I'm not sure, some portion of it absolutely, yeah, yeah, like people like those. I never played any of that stuff, but STL. River seemed to be like pretty well, yeah, definitely. Those were some some neat games in their day. And then a Coujie the Heartless came out and he were like, what good on Richard Rowntree? Yeah, playing a Cougie

the Heartless? That's right, Hey, Joe, this is Richard Rowntree voice of a Cougie the Heartless. What if he still has that? We gotta I hope, so get ahold of get ahold of Joe Field or we're gonna find out left a voicemail was left for him by Richard Rowntree, Yeah, to promote, to promote the Heartless Richard Rowntree of shaft yea for those not not wondering, Oh that Richard rash Tree. Those those folks googling it at home. That producer Richard Rowntree. He may be a producer. He could

be. He's clearly a multi hyphenic triple threat. That's right, all three of his fists. Warner Brothers did a good thing and stripped away any sort of the combat pass requirements of Mortal Kombat until Sony gets its shipped together. There's a couple of T and T is too late. Yeah. No, well we were still able to get through it because we were three day pass within that. Yeah, we were within the trial pass thing. But I think there's probably still room for a PS three specific Mortal Kombat TNT. I

think you will think you will have to fight Vinnie for that. Oh no, I think there's room for it. I might have mentioned hopefully we'll be around in business for a long time, so there's probably room for it. Might have mentioned to those Sony guys, we should come back now that works back up and play some MK for TNT. Wait, we can. We can celebrate the true return of the PlayStation Network once the story is back up. Yeah, proving no good deed goes unpunished. I saw people giving a

Boon shit on Twitter. He was reposted that just like like like owners of the Xbox game, We're we're giving him shit about the fact. It was like one guy and I can't two guys and I can't imagine. Oh, because they feel they feel that they should have that they should get that that perk as well, but like, who's buying that game used by probably already bought the new copy, Like, what do you have to worry about? I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. It's ridiculous. People,

people are crazy. I have to imagine that guy was sucking around because I can't. I'm out. I can't imagine a world in which someone did not seem to think so I guess not. But well, maybe news will be coming soon. They've been they've been patching that game without patching it. They can, they can hot fix it and change balance on the fly. Yeah,

I wish I wish there was some kind of notification of that. There's a way to check the version number in the game, but basically you can just go to their official site and like they've been posting in the boards whenever they change stuff. So it's just like, all right, Shank Songs, Life Recovery doesn't do as much and Kno's Upward Ball does this now, Big Kung Loud nerve coming. I don't know if all yeah, I think it's in the list. They like posted their most recent patch notes, well,

the passiones. They threw out pass notes. They threw out a patch like on the twentieth or nineteenth or something already. So I know they have more in the works, but and they actually have a proper patch patch that I guess we'll fix fix the matchmaking stuff and some of the other issues they've been having. But so maybe there's some stuff they can't hot fix with regardless of character baut I couldn't. I couldn't get a ranked match going to save my

life this weekend. Yeah, yeah, that stuff just doesn't work even on PSH three. Just no go. Yeah. I guess that tournament came down to a fair amount of Kung Loud versus or something. I'm not sure. Yeah, he's definitely a favorite right now there there. Ed Boone has come out and said that, yo, these costumes are coming soon, but no levels. Yeah yeah yeah, so costumes like the pre order stuff, Yeah, they've said that those are coming eventually somehow. So here's money. He

was. His thing was like, to the people who are going on eBay and paying crazy money for these costumes, stop it. You're not gonna need to do that for much longer. And a similar thing should be extended to folks who are paying crazy money for the La Noir preorder cases on eBay, because the game itself even says, hey, those those pre order dl C cases are coming soon. Check back to the Social Club soon. Yeah, so don't pay like thirty bucks for a case. That's crazy. You're crazy

person. So here's my MK theory. They're putting out that Arcade collection collection. I bet if you buy that you get all those costumes. That would makes sense. That would be pretty cool. That would be one way to do it. I think it's either going to be that or they'll just patch man and go here you go. That's one of those two things. You don't think they're gonna three fighter it like two or three dollars a half. I think they may eventually get to that point, but not with these pre

order costumes. If I had to guess, yeah, I would love to see you know, just like contract verbiage concerning like you know, after set amount of time, like what cames do you do with that stuff? Like if if they if it's specific, like no, you can't sell this directly, so okay, so we can do stuff where if we want to pack it in or just give it away, we can do that. That's you know, our prerogative. But you're gonna give it away. I didn't even

think got to write that into a contract. Boon, damn it, boon a boon. Oh what else is going on? Valve ain't going to E three, which I don't go to three of course not. Of course, historically they've been there all the time. They practically every year. You don't remember when let's face took the stage. I mean that they never have a booth, but they have almost always had a little meeting room where they're showing live two. I sat in one. I never took Valve appointments in the

three, so I have been to a bunch of them. You're still working on episode two? Yeah? Or episode three? Yes, no, we're still working episode two, episode two so yeah, I know it's the best terse Valve pr emails, that's all of them. Yeah, but this was this was like, hey, guys, there's been some speculation not going don't

worry about it. Stop asking. Bungee kind of said the same, the same thing, yes, but they were Yeah, it was it was broader and we're like, hey, we're busy working on our hot This was like, no, we're not good, yeah, stop it. You're realized we don't need the three right now? I really want to pull it up because you realize that people can just launch Steam and it's like, as far as we're concerned, it's E three every day if we want to put out new

information right just on the front page of Steam. Hey, guys, do to two's coming. We have a better E three, say guys. Still, we've been working on a new action half Life this whole time for half Life one. That sounds good. Hey, Drew special going on? You got a message? What's the message? Say? You gotta do the the Ellen noir that he's hovering his finger over it. Just let that one. It's the only one there, all right, buttons to further interact with objects.

He's okay, he has delivered very deliberately unfolded it and he's now looking way too close at it. Hey, I gets spin it, you get turn it a little bit? Rotated? Rotated, You gotta rotate at the corners. Oh he does hold it like this. Yeah, you didn't rotate it. You didn't check to see if there's anything on the back. Short comments you also you have to make you have to make some sort of comments.

Yeah, well this changes things. I have I have the actual valve email right here, all right, what is what does the valve pr email say concerning valvety three? I quote, Hi, lots of folks have mailed asking about appointment times, et cetera with valve stop line break. Well, we're not showing any titles at this year's show, so no appointment is needed. Thanks, it's the holy bite. No he doesn't even say E three in that email anywhere? Oh god, I just closed it. Or does

it just say show? The subject line is E three couple and making any possible, So you could just okay, cool, but you can't because you have to see that. I love it. Oh yeah, there's all this business about firmware frying systems because of ellen ware. Guy's got debunked. Yeah. I kind of said, like, no, if we thought maybe it was that, but no, it sounded like it was just weird, like support que speculation. Have you guys gotten the new three sixty update yet?

Yes, you hold it. I think over the weekend they're rolling it out in waves. Oh is it it's not for everybody? Is that for the new disc format? Yeah? I guess it does that as well as ads, PayPal support for buying stuff. Well, that's kind I think it's mostly for the disc format. But they're putting that in there because it was ready or something. But yeah, i'll take that. I think I pulled it

out on a last Friday. Actually yeah, it's they came out last week at some point, but they're they're rolling rolling it out over like the next couple of weeks or something. So, speaking of I have not turned on

my Xbox, I don't know if I have it or not. Speaking of Xbox stuff, there's a thing going around now where like a very small number of consoles are incompatible with apparently not this update, but actually a previous update, right, and they're like straight up giving out brand new consoles to people that hardware thing. But they didn't they didn't clarify what the factor low. You can test it by putting the game in. The effect is that it

can't read discs anymore. Uh, And if like any yeah, like any retail Xbox have you? Have you played an Xbox game in the last week or two? No logs a bit, I mean in a while. The last thing I played was was Clash of Heroes, and uh, that was just downloadable. Give it a shot. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think they even said if it's older new consoles, or it could be anything. It almost sounded like it was the model of DVD drive that's in

the console is causing this, yeah or something. But yeah, like, no matter what kind of Xbox you have, if this happens, they will send you a brand new that's two hundred fifty guess to replace it. So if like a million people going, oh God, I hope Xbox is broken, just give me a new Xbox. Yeah, I should try it. So I've got that oldie, oldie one that I mean, I've got the s but I got that old one that I keep it in the living room.

I think hasn't played a game. And an Australian newspaper has revealed that the penguin is going to be in Arkhamas City. Who did who said that? The son Harold yield this hot piece of video game information unemotionally this game will be banned in that territory. So hey, we've got a picture of what looks like the penguin and what looks like a big tough dude with penguins tattooed on his pecks. It still looks tough though it's a Will Smith.

Mmm. No, neither neither mhm. But he's got a great big sword kind a belt sword belt. I hope that image has been painted for you. Yeah, he's also bald, all right. Batman Arkham City is a video game. Batman Arham City's video games coming out. Also, they said Catwoman will be in it, So Penguin Pet cat Woman gonna be in well, I mean Catwoman was in the demo they showed months ago. We've also two Face I can't remember who else was, yeah, showing off in there.

No though that's new, if it's even true. I mean, they ran through so much pantheo at the last time. I'm like they kind of had. I don't know. I don't know that individual character reveals are particularly meaningful for Arkham City because I just expect, yeah, a lot of them, right, There's only so many to go around, and and they did so many the first time that I have to imagine they will hit some of those a second time, or at least, you know, change the role

that they have. No Joker, skip the Joker out. I think I think we'll see the Joker again. What I bet you guys want to lay down some money on that. I bet that the Riddler will be will have some sort of impact on it. I bet that mister Freeze will be in it. You know, I would put money on that. Yeah, I don't know about that one. You don't think mister Freeze will be in it? I didn't say he won't. Yeah, that's quite absolutely believe mister Freese

will be in it because they tease him in the first one. Well, what kind of context you mean, like do you want him to appear like in that there's a boss? Do you see a model of him or just like Freeze was here somethings from No No, I you actually see him? I think. Isn't he kind of like a mega villain though, like there's only there's like tears of Batman villain right is very clearly like he's up there

with like he's up there with a poison ivy Freeze. Yeah, okay, m like Freeze is sort of like primary antagonist, kind of like I work alone kind of thing. Well, more like he is at the top of the food chain of Batman villains. Sure, I mean I put him up there with the penguin like he is. I see. I just think it's like Joker than Penguin than everybody else, like who cares to me? To mean, that's that's no. I think we're always this kind of starting.

Joker so far above everyone else. Clear, but I think, you know, Catwoman, her role is just so weird anymore, she can't count her as hero or villain. But I mean with expanded role for Riddler, obviously the Joker is still the main threat. Yeah, is still in fact threat to I mean two faces who is big and the first one at all? Uh? I think again they have like Harvey Dence like a cell or something like that. That's right, So I mean that's the thing. I mean

they did a referenced stuff. I mean everybody was like touch there still around. Riddler is bigger this time, like two faces there just yeah, just kind of seems like a big one to cram into that already pretty heavy line up. I think Freeze is tough because there are new mechanics you have to add for Freeze because of all the ice stuff. I don't think they were both. He put them in a specific room where there's the boss fight will

have slippery floor. Then like dude shooting in with ice, didn't you fight him in the first game? You know? Definitely all you saw was like you saw the outside of his cell and it was all frozened up, like I don't even know that it said mister Freeze outside of it. It was just a damn it. That game is awesome. Who is it? There's someone you fight then in like like I think you fight and there's there's there

an electric guy. There's a dude with electricity. I can now. There were just those floors in that one cell area where Harley Harley Quinn is in a cell, and there's there's four corners to the area that you're in, and there's almost like a little coffin like setups or whatever that keep like opening closing as a guy keep moving between something. But remember mister Freeze Freeze definitely

not in the first time. Yeah, I remember them very deliberately teasing that he was in this version of the the universe, but or that he had been kept in Arkham at some point. Anyway, is this an unprecedented Penguin design like this like buff that's not the pa Wait no, that like Penguin Okay, yeah, Burgess Meredith. Yeah, he's he's got the monocle, he's got the sneer, he's got a little bit of a point of nose. Yeah, okay, yeah, not not unprecedent yet not not the d

I thought you were saying. I thought you're saying the big buff But like that he was like a physical freak. He wasn't just a squat dude. Yea, like the deformities was was that like contrived for the movie? That just and they made him more of a horrible freak. Then he's not part of the like Batman necessary because like old Batman TV series, they darkened him up severely for the Batman was just kind of like an aristocratic, like mobster

kind of guy. Yeah, all right, kind of everyone like sort of all Batman villains were like, they're kind of games that have slight eccentricities and then they make them super fucking dark and way crazy. This guy looks egypt supernatural Egyptologists coming in. Yeah, absolutely start bringing supernatural and weird high science fiction nonsense. Cut man. I want to see Batman fighting MegaMan villains? Was the game wins Just as long as you fight air Man first, everything's

cool. Then it finally provides the answer to that question, where does he get all those mornful toys? A right on moving on from news from from that No guts guts man, he can throw stuff you race this week Dirt three coming out for PS three and three sixty. Quick look at that? Quick look at that in the can? Up up now, probably up now. It's it's the game's out now, so might as well. Sure? What the hell? That? It was good? I want to see more of it. What do you think of it than any I think it looking

at it. I think it looked really good we saw. I really want to see it on a PC. I don't think I really spend it much time with it on the PC apps and budget on three sixty and it looks gorgeous on there. So it's one of those like, Hey, I kind of just want to try playing with a racing wheel, but I don't want to buy one. I need to borrow it from somebody because I just want to see what that's like. Dave bring his in Live show or something.

Don't buy a racing wheel. Yeah, I really want to buy a racing No, no, don't buy a racing racing don't buy a racing wheel. Hang on by a racing cheers. Don't buy a racing cheer. Okay, yeah, yeah, buy the big metal frame. Don't buy a racing get it's fourteen and something like that. I would buy a d box seat before i'd buy a racing wheel. I like it as somebody who doesn't drive like I just like want to play around with the gearshift and all that stuff.

And I could probably just buy a car for cheaper at that point. Yeah, yeah, burn it out in a parking lot. Don't buy a racing wheel. When I finally buy a new cars just coming into I'll just let you borrow my old one that was real give I'll give you a couple of thousand here. This is real fun. I'm with him. Don't buy a racing I think buy a racing I think that I was real close to buying a racing wheel. But don't buy a racing don't buy a racing wheeling racing

wheel? Thing is they they're not How often do you even play racing games and not enough to wheel? Well? They maybe they're more fun with it racing. Here's the other thing. Hey also racing games. That the whole not notion that racing games are somehow more fun or more realistic with a steering wheel is a complete fallast. It's a complete fallast. Because it's not like it's none of them behave like the steering wheels in actual cars. Yeah,

well at all, it's just another contrivance. It's like it's it's you're trading one for one. Doesn't all slightly more realistic. But we say that can't learn the switch gears to our k will play hard driving and take you how to drive a car. I think, well, here's the problem. They don't make them. You can't buy one for like the PS three to three sixty and the PC can only buy a p S three and PC or for

the three sixty ones? Did no? They they're still just like I heard that too, and I looked them up and unless somebody has one, hey, i'll talk to date anyway. I don't own a racing wheel. Don't buy then? Yeah five dirt three mayboy? See the things are like the three six the connect racing wheel. Did you see the ads for that go up? No? Like there a physical wheel that you hold the pictures like

an invisible wheels. It was like for like fourteen ninety nine. Maybe somebody mocked it up, but it was like I didn't click through the link of the Amazon page, but it looked awesome. Wow, they can distribute that digital. That was actually just a link to the Rebecca Black Friday song anyway, because that we're calling it now Black Friday song. Yeah, that's many Black Friday songs in a racing We're even how do we even talk about that?

We're talking about new releases three the Racing don't buy a Racy Wheel. Dagger Dale is out this across the three six NPS three. If it's gets out, I don't know. Story is still not up. I don't even I don't thin Daggerdale's coming for PS three, even if the store is back stuff. I think they've kind of said even stuff like this is gonna go out at some point. I can't look really interesting. I kind of want to. I was gonna get a knife controller, a dagger controller for that

game. That would be a reasonable purchase. Well, how many games does he play where he stabs dudes? A lot? But is it realistic? Would you really know how to stab a deal by using dagger but it vibrates? But buy a dagger wheel? Yeah? Would you learn how to really use a dagger wheel with a dagger wheel controller. It's not a matter of trying to learn. I have to use a dagger. Uh yeah, it's not a lot of new stuff coming out right now, but hey Dirt three

or next week or week after that. Oh yeah, week of three Miles that come out last week. Buy some games that Smiles two x that might be coming out. I bought it today, so it is out, so something has to happen. I didn't think that that was a real game, so I didn't list it. Yeah, no, that's that came out on

the Games on Demand. It's it's crazy. They're selling the Japanese version of that game for thirty dollars on Games on Demand, totally untranslated, sort of like Sony has done with like the achievements of Japanese, like everything it is. It is not an English game, but they it's a cool idea because, like, you know, if you were to buy that game and import it and have a Japanese three sixty and all that crap, like you'd be spending kind of a lot of money. But now you can just get it

for only thirty dollars. Of course, you could start to make the argument that it's not worth thirty dollars because it has about as much content as a ten dollars as like trouble, which is Neo or something like that. It's a downloadable Japanese side scrolling shooter. Does this version of Death Smiles have yet another set of achievements separate from the Japanese achievements. No, no, these are just the Japanese achievements. Okay, So so now I can I can

finally live the dream of having Japanese achievements. Yes, on a non Japanese xbox. And the only way you can tell what the difference between the girls that you're playing as is that it list their names and their ages. The oldest one is seventeen. You can tell because the rubs are the biggest. Actually, the fourteen year olds are maybe a little bit bigger. It's a great fucking game. Maybe we'll do a quick look at that, because it's so high quality, we should do a quick look at that. Yeah,

we wisul do a quickly of that. Yeah, it's it's it's kind of that's a real picture. Put that down. It's like it's not invisible. It's just it's translucent. I think I think, I don't know. I think that's to show you that it's invisible. No, it's it's a shitty thing. I don't. I don't know. I don't even he's designed something designed to try and keep your hands in the coal. You're stupid to keep your hands at virtual ten and two. Now you've got a plastic thing.

You could buy this either. You guys are just fucking wet towels the wettest. All right, let's let's take it to emails bobcast at Giant Bob dot com, Scott, that's the Maryland rights in the safe fellas. After playing Break for a few weeks, I also don't like Break, But I would love to hear you guys voice down. Man, this guy's in Bethesda. You can't say that sort of stuck. It's the way you wrote the emails. You wrote it around him is like it's a great game. It's the

greatest game I've ever played. Well, yeah, I wonder how much of the Bethesda economy relies on be as the soft works. But I would love to hear you guys speculate as to what would have made it a more enjoyable experience experience. I found the fundamental flaws. Most of the time you are not shooting people, just bots, which we all know is it is more fun to shoot people. Yeah, well, I mean, the big problem with the console versions of that game is that it is exceedingly difficult to get

into a game with all humans. You actually had to play a little bit of the PC version post review, and it's a better version of the game because it has a server browser and you can just go fund show me the game with the people in it, not the robots. Yeah, but then at that point, you know, that doesn't suddenly make it an amazing, awesome game, Like it still kind of has a lot of the same problems. It's just you know, at least you're not dealing with shitty AI.

I have not played Breaks since before it came out, and kind of I guess the feeling that I had was that there were some neat ideas that just it's it's a new enemy terror story game. Like if if that appeals to you, if just saying that is enough for you to go, oh man, then yeah, you should probably get a brink. But it seemed like it had some inventive ideas that it got beat to by about a year.

Maybe that's that it's that it in such a way that like you could not still excuse the other weird rough edges that that game had and as a lot of them, that's my games pretty messed up. This next email comes in from random three D artists. Uh, finally, last week I solicited some anonymous emails from game developers. Really yeah, they wanted to let out some stuffy Feel free to go and build an Gmail account and send us crazy emails

if you still care too. Did we have a specific question that we were putting to them or was it just wanted to tell us some scoop. I just wanted crazy stories. I wanted crazy development stories. We were talking, we we got something in I can't the context, but I think they the request was just what are you're crazy? Shit? So who doesn't? So this is this is concerning because we're talking just about asset generation last yeast week.

To answer your question on development costs, if an artist creates props, as long as they are what the studio needs, it's cheaper to fix than to make them from scratch. You want to build up an archive of chairs, boxes and cakes quickly than edit it later. When it comes to the more complex work such as program code, you can fix as few You want to fix a few errors as possible, so hire less people that make that

are more capable. As computer software, hardware and hardware becomes more powerful, it's a mistake to only rely on outsourcing to do the job of one well equipped, experienced artist. A good example of speech Tree. You can hire thirty artists to make trees, or hire one and buy speed Tree. It's a battle of using resources properly with limited time. So it's a big push for Speechree in there. Huh that from random three D artist at SpeedTree dot

com. This wasn't the guy in Bethesta, Maryland, wasn't No, this was Hey, this is an anonymous random person so they think we talked specifically about that last time. So that's interesting about the fixing and generating, right, right, So it's kind of interesting too. What's it like the argument here? It sounds like it's kind of like, well, both for when it's appropriate, like you know, procedurally generate stuff or you know, outsourced

stuff. Yeah, I mean there are plenty of games that outsourced tons and

tons of assets. But you know, you want your your main characters and you know their animation routines to look totally sweet, so you're gonna you know, really spend a lot of time and every on those, So yeah, it ends up being that situation where you know, yeah, if if you're hiring relatively unskilled labor to generate a lot of your assets, you have to expect that, you know, some of that stuff's not going to come in how you want it, and if you have the time, hopefully you'll be

able to fix that stuff without just dropping it into the game and hoping for the best. But yeah, yeah, that's speak greets Uh Dylan in Queens, New York, Hey bomb cast with with E three just around the corner. I was curious if there had been any thoughts on addressing the nightmare that is covering the event. It would seem more and more that it's become hot nigh impossible for you guys to get excited about the games that are shown when

you're too busy getting caught in this endless clusterfuck every year. Perhaps just send out an army of interns to walk the floor while the crew just hangs out at a bar and does a live cast, or make Patrick do it. Either way, godspeed and good luck. Uh talk to fair amount about that today in the office of out how we're gonna do it? Want to go to the floor, yeah, I want to go see stuff. I want

to want to go shake hands, don't want to hide. As as demanding as E three can be and as infuriating as just the machinations of the whole thing can be, still, I honestly feel like we are probably like one to three years away from just getting our own booth on the floor and doing the NonStop please visit us. Yeah, yeah, it's a three. I

feel like that's where this is headed. Yeah, it gets because those are the I think the most frustrating parts are the communication aspects, the miscommunication aspects to kind of like you know, setting up, you know, getting all that stuff, showing up at an event that you were told you could bring cameras to you like that guy can't get in here, especially with this camera, or like, well do you. I just want to cover your event, That's all I want to do. I just want to cover the video

games. Yeah, like that's I don't want to I'm not here to by your goddamn open bar and a cheese either. I just want to not here to take up space and like just say no next time it's okay, yeah straight up, yeah, don't say it'll probably be okay and then have it. Yeah, exactly, that's a nice dream, except when the person that you booked it with is not the person who agreed to with the go. So that's what I'm saying. It's like, that's it's so much fun.

That's a really frustrating part is like the communication and miscommunication part and just kind of like in the end, we really kind of just want, like Jeff said, you just want to see the game and stuff like that, and you know, sometimes you can't, and sometimes there's like maybe we can, And then for every time there's a maybe we can, it means we're probably not seeing something else that because we're standing around waiting to see like while they

go check. And then it ends up being that situation where you've seen the game and now you're like, so we can get the interview that we talked about for this right, and then everyone looks eat, everyone goes, oh no, I mean hang on, if you can hang out here for forty five minutes, we can get you an interview. Like all right, well, well we've got three other things, but we're doing print first. It

requires it's just weird, unbelievable flexibility on everyone's part. Everyone. It's easy to kind of complain about how some companies handle this stuff, but is, yeah, is they've got billion different people beating down their door saying like I'm not saying it's easy on their part either, but it's a a lot of

thinking on your feet. It does. It does get really hard, especially like I said, when you're like when at E three, when like minutes are becoming accounted for and you're like, the longer I spent here means I need to get to this other place, you know, but this other appointment or something, Uh, it gets really taxing on your nerves. I kind of I like you three more because it's a lot easier at E three to

cut the non essentials quickly. That's like, oh we can't get direct feet all right, Oh yeah, guy is still gonna be another five minutes before he's ready to go. Well we have another appointment, see you later. But there's also like E three, I also feel like is a very a lot of politics and becomes very apparent very quickly of like, well we're giving

it to this guy, We're not giving it to you. Like I remember starting out like years and years ago, going around trying to get like asset discs or get in to see stuff or whatever, and it's like if you had like some exhibits only badge its like forgetting at least. Yeah, and it was like weird cases where like in some cases like I could get an asset disk and you couldn't because this was even before I worked at anything.

Yeah. Yeah, it is just like showing up at E three, you know, Like I remember even being at a publication where it was like, oh, they are these guys at the booth, you know, aren't giving out BANDA tapes to online broadcast. It's like we can you realize we can take those tapes also, like we can use those they know. It's sort of like a television especially because I mean I'm sure there are a lot of temp employees at this thing. Yeah. Well, it's like they're just being

handed down. They're being said, this stuff's only for TV guys. If they don't say they don't say broadcast on them, don't give it to like they receive one set of instructions and they just stick to it. Yeah, And that's just how it works. It's less of an issue. Well, there are still issues with with that stuff. It's not as smooth as that specific issue doesn't seem to happen much crazy. It's a giant crazy machine run by a bunch of lunatics. Yeah, and you can't expect you can't expect

everybody to be on the same thing. Definitely, just just that's why you have to think on your feet and just roll with everything that happens. Everyone is all either like super wired on caffeine or something or completely tirely hung over

and or sometimes both or both. It's it's yeah, and also you see but then I feel like you also see within the industry, like while you're there, and I really don't mean this point that at anybody in particular, but it's a huge industry on both ends, and there's a lot of like bad behavior on both ends. On the press side, you got you got a lot of jerks and idiots who are there to just take advantage of of of like the hospitality or or like don't shoot this, so don't shoot this,

please put your cameras away. Every presentation starts with like no cameras allowed, and then a very bit like five people camera. And so you really can't blame people on the other end for for being like this is a closed booth demo, We're not inviting like everybody in because you get people who are just like, you know, you want to play along. It's gotta work both ways, and so it just makes it harder on everyone at that point

to be like, yeah, it sucks. And and then like you know, sometimes we'll just be like people will like accuse you of different things just because you have a camera and being like are you filming that? You're not filming that, or you're doing this, and it's like no, like really, all I want to do is played straight, like I just want to do my job. It's any not talking about anyone specific, You're not filming that all. That's what they do. They film it. They tell you

they're not filing light. But it's like like, yeah, it's it's that stuff. When it starts getting like weirdly personal, like that's when it's just like I know it's yeah, to the point where the people think that you're lying or that you have various it's like I really don't want to see your game that badly. Yeah, like this is this is not how we operate. We're not just like here's cland this dime like that. They just want to take advantage of you and they'll soon you turn your back, they'll film

it. Like no, it's like a you overestimate the value of thirty seconds of footage of your fucking video game. I don't care what game it is. And some of that stuff gets really weird. That stuff can get really frustrating. But E three itself, you see a lot of cool stuff. God man, this podcast was getting really dark, and I think it's as much bitching ammonia. I have to say, I think we all do. It's it's for fun at the end of it, chick and take him as

al burritos. It's what HE three is about. Oh I didn't get one of those last year. You're gonna get it, and you will get it. You will get it, all right. I'll fall asleep and it'll end up in my head. I mean. But at the end of the day, it's not where you're that's not where you're worried about it coming out of You really do walk away and you see some cool stuff at the end of

the day. Uh. And it's a privileged thing to see some of photo for people, it's really exciting, and it's it's weird because it's like I kind of feel like i've seen a lot of I don't know. I count it as this is my fifteenth consecutive E three. How many three's ever been? I think seventeen. Yeah, so this is my seventeenth or whatever. But yeah, it's at some point, at some point it just switches,

you know. You go from like preparing for E three to just fucking autopilot, and it's just like, just give me the list of things I need to write, give me the list of places I need to be in a win, and we'll do it. Like. Things will come up that get in the way, that make that I'll practically impossible, but we will do as much as we can with what we have. And that that goes for if you are a staff of thirty or a staff of seven, you know it's my eleventh. I think ninety nine. And I don't think I just

showed up agin until two working E three. Working it on either end, it's I think everybody has a little dread. I don't endy. I don't envy the developers or the pr oh Man. They've got a way worse than we do. Yeah, developers have to stand in one spot and give the same demo over and over. I'm sure they're excited to show in their game like that part is awesome. But I can always think back to E three from two years ago. It was the first year they were back on like

the floors. M yeah, but was that like the weird like still kind of meeting. But it was like there was the there was Santa Moniki year, and then there was the meeting room year. No, no, because that was the meeting rooms year. So this was the one where the Microsoft press conference was at the West Hall or whatever it might have been. No, because this and they were all still in the meeting rooms at the Convention Center might have no. No, No, this was this was like the

first full return to proper E three, like both both main halls. Anyway, I will always remember, like end of the day, last day, we go to Konami and there is this dude in the Konami booth who I have seen the entire show running past the Economy booth. He is standing in the Konami booth running the demonstration for Karaoke Revolution for for Karaoke Revolution for the Wei, which they had just rebooted and rebranded as just Karaoke Revolution after going

through like shitload of sequels. Previously on like the PS two era, and you know he's got like a five song demo of this Karaoke Revolution game that he has clearly been demoing NonStop for the past three days, and over seeing him end of the last day and just beam like, fuck, you know what, Jeff, we need to go and play a song and completely fucking blow it out. Will be his last demo of the whole show, and he will be at least somewhat redeemed. We will not let him sing.

We will both sing. Yeah, we will sing. You could just stand there, sir and watch us have a really good time with your game and sing our guts out to whatever dumb song is in this. Yeah. So I know, no matter how bad E three might go, at least it might E three wasn't that guy's E three. So I will always hold that my heart and uh know that, know that. So, Yeah, we're we're heading down soon. Nah, I'm going down next Friday and securing the

location the house, change the locks. Yeah, and then we'll have that roll down shortly thereafter and then and then the three will happen or not. I think I think our goal is just that, you know, we try to get as much coverage as we can, and if you don't see the coverage on the site, it's probably because something bad happened or we got stone walled or whatever. So that's why we kind of can't make That's not entirely true. There's there's actually a ton of stuff that we pass on. We

do. We do run a pretty heavy filter, true. I mean, right, there's there's a lot of stuff we're kind of saying no, thank you too. There's some stuff that I saw last week that we're not going to go see again, right, And that doesn't even necessarily mean that they are bad games. It's more just I saw it were time. Time during

E three is so high pressure. It's it's really also kind of like it's I understand why it exists and it needs to exist, and it's you know, everyone can come together this one time and everyone can see everyone else's ship,

and that's an important thing for an industry. But it's kind of a really awful place to go and look at games as as far as like your condition, the condition of the person that's showing you the game, how many other things you were seeing during that time, like the things that can just get lost in the old brain bucket are are numerous, so I was thinking more. I was thinking more of like Mother, It's uh, it's kind

of the rise point. But what I meant in terms of like the coverage stuff is like it is not a place to try and do a quick look, expe or direct feed of anything. That's why like most of that stuff winds up being interviews and like the production team, everybody just scrabbles as much

be role as you can. The classic example of the wretched E three demoing environment for me was trying to see a new SIMS game, which is like, you know, Sims, pretty steady, sedate series, very detail oriented, and I was standing there trying to get the demo of this game next to a speaker taller than me, like booming like the latest like the latest Maddened soundtrack or whatever was coming out of anything. It's just like it's the

worst possible plays to try to absorb information about a game. I remember we tried to what do we do? We did like a fort demo or some something. I didn't have a tripod and didn't have a monopod. Was it forts to it was like four to two or something, and I just wound up having to hold the Remember was it in that back room? Yeah, yes, you act third twenty five thirty minutes. I just kept talking the end. Uh So it's a lot of that kind of stuff. And you

know, it's getting weirder and weirder. I think it's it is back to

pretty much just E three, Right, it's weirder and weirder. But you know it's like I feel like we get the access we need to the games that we care about, you know most p but then when it doesn't work out that way, then it just feels yeah, it's it's yes, it's yes, and like you know what, that's just that's just us when when a big thing happens, like no, your place, like like yes, when it's when it's slow, they're your buddies and they will set you up

with access. But when it when it comes when it's USA todaytime, I'm sorry, you're you don't rate quite the same way, which is always always kind of weird MA out between like the eusiest press and then broadcast, which you know, I don't know, I just want to be labeled as broadcast. At some point, I don't know, we started our own channel somewhere. It doesn't even have to get Yeah, we're broadcast. Yeah, we do public access. It's cool, right, isn't there some union you can

join? You can start we can start doing that if you wanted to, if you want to start doing public access, Like is that like would that make us more broadcast than like I don't even yeah, I don't even want to think about does that even still exist? Yeah? Probably access? Yeah. Yeah, So like there's weird. That's just weird stuff like that. That's the part that's always weird. Yeah, that's that's I mean, that's kind of been the weird fight, you know, since I started doing this,

well, it was in the mid nineties. It was it was versus online thing of just like and there were Japanese companies that wouldn't work with online because they assumed you were pirates. Like literally they were just like like Square didn't want anything to do with you for you know, until about nineteen ninety seven, and then they were like, oh, okay, I guess I guess this is still even then even then, it's super crazy Square. It's

still kind of super crazy, just in a different way now. But I remember like the height like of early aughts Square super craziness, you're just like, what do you want? Was that when they wouldn't even cover games when they were released, like yeah, like there was a while they didn't want you putting up footage of games or taking your own screenshots of games after they

were out. It was like and and you know, it's like you hadn't really gotten through those battles enough times to really know to just say you're out of your fucking mind and just do it. So it was, yeah, those are those were days when like constant threats of like, we will not work with you anymore if you do know exactly, yeah, NonStop. Any any Japanese company was all about threatening to cut you off any chance they got

yea, and a lot of the US companies also. Yeah, it was just it was everything was for a standoffice as things can get now about like

footage stuff. Like to me that that viewpoint just seems like very old school, like outdated, like someone who someone who is not out there in the field understanding how things actually work now, they still think like, oh, you know, no, you guys can't put up take if you if you're gonna take screenshots, you can only take twenty Like all right, what like, I don't want to take any screenshots of your game, so why don't

we just start there? Yeah something like and you have that concession. Yeah, I feel like I just say before we end this, some companies are really awesome. Yeah, some companies do a fantastic ut lately. They have they have great assets, they have they have like all their information they're put communication. Uh, they go as far as say there are great people in

every company. Yeah. Yeah, Sometimes it's just sometimes sometimes sometimes the wheels need a little I don't mean to make it sound like all these companies are bad. Like sometimes it's you walk away like that was perfect, that's really weird. That wasn't Wow, I got all the access that I wanted. It was super quick. We'll be able to turn this around. There'll be a great piece, it'll be super smooth. And yeah, sometimes you have to fight for it. Sometimes it's still worth diff to fight for it.

Yeah, you know. And sometimes you fight for it and don't get it, and it's like I don't I don't understand, Like it's not I don't I understand the notion of not wanting to spoil things story related to this game or whatever. But yeah, so sometimes stuff it just seems you're basically standing there saying please don't cover this game, Like Okay, that's what you really want, we can help with that. That takes literally the least amount of effort from us. So if, in fact, if that's gonna be your

approach, let us know up front. It'll be a fun one. It will at some point at yeah, in about four weeks. Yeah, you know, I really I usually really enjoy all the press conference stuff because it's kind of passive. Yeah, that's just like when you're there, you're like, those are the exciting moments. Yeah, there's the buzz, there's the we don't know what's going to happen when the lights go down and then they start showing games and like, you know, like it's it's always the most

exciting about E three is the sheet. You don't know anything about it. You're sitting a seat and some dude it's like, I'm gonna tell you all about next year. What do you get you get down to it? E three is about three hours long. Yeah, it's those three price coneens because they always end with like you can see more on the floor and it's it's like it's like, oh shit, they just announced the PlayStation four and oh shit, Steven Spielberg and oh my god, stuff tag guns. They're amazing.

Did you say it's four hours on three? I said three, but I mean it's about seven if James Cameron's there, you know. Yeah, no, I think you can. You can substract that would be SAFT press conference out there. I hope they knock it out of the park this year, I really do. Joe McHale is really gonna bring it this year. I hope it's teaming him up with Jamie Kennidates. It is finally the I

hope they just closed with Michael Jackson again. Just bring that back. Of course, has a lot to answer for it obvious Obvio's getting out ahead of E three. Yeah, exactly. They're gonna have their thing on the second or whatever. Right, Yeah, it's yeahs open to the public. I couldn't really get they're doing parties, right, which makes it sound like like when they first said that, I was like, so you just want like people to show up at we should gets around the country, you know,

to one of those interview with the people who go to it. Yeah, exactly, like its press conference, you're going party. The only question is Why are you here? Why are you here? I thought this was like a rally for something I don't know. I was told I was going to get a free copy Solid four. I was told that they were going to make another DVD with reaction shots of people watching a Metal Gear trailers, so like a show and be a part of that. They might actually be doing

that. That's when they announced that stuff. That was the first thing I thought is that they were trying to recreate those moments and they need to bring the public in to make it happen again because the press is too jaded. That DVD is pretty awesome. I have to say. That's still that is still the defining moment of every three ever to me was the Metal Gear Solid two trailers. I never went to most of those comedy PROCs. I didn't make it to that thing. Yeah, but even on the show four that

DVD, like what a piece of fucking wankery? What just but indulgence. But again it kind of speaks to just how like significant metal of Solid furs. The further around that first trailer, that first three they showed it out was like nothing I have ever seen before or since. At that show, I mean, I Killzone two. Yeah, still still still still beat the because that was not real. That was fucking smoken. But then you weren't

really sure not a gear was pretty clearly a real game. You could see the scenes that indicated that it was actually I remember, I remember for years you would walk past the Konami booth and there would be this fucking sea of kids sitting cross legged in front of whatever giant screen they had that was showing

the nine. It was always made it so much fun to have exhibit or badges because you could just walk around the night before and hope that they were running their trailer loop or at least look at all the signage that was going up as they were building the booths. But while I trying to act totally not exactly act like you're not paying any attention to it, I'm totally union. I'm just just standing here. Just look, I eat a sandwich hanging

on this boss. I'm not trying to look at all of the signs on these kiosks, not all writing down the things we need to go play tomorrow. And the security guard that will not take any of your over our bullshit. I always found they would take a surprise. Yeah, it's just like, oh, yeah, you know, where's your booth us here Southall I don't know. Well find it? Shit, Thanks, thanks dude, I appreciate it. Hey, have a good night. Go back to this un

air conditioned convention center hall. Oh god, that's why you don't get a booth working in the hall after hours and the ac dies. Just that standing air. It doesn't help. If you're working in a fucking plastic box, yep, that doesn't help. So the combination of freestanding still convention center air booth funk. Well. I'm not saying let's build a plastic box to work out. I'm saying let's build a live set. What if we do that?

Anyways? What if it just at the house. We build a plastic box to work out, only if it has like stickers of my face that we can put on it. I'll talk to Daniel, I'll see what we would get. But we can get mocked up before the show. Rice, big stickers of our faces? Want big stickers of Tim Tracy? I think, yeah, he's been thrown those up all across Williamsburg. All right,

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