Giant Bombcast 05/17/2016 (Premium)

M m hey, I hello, is this microphone on? It is now? It's the Giant bobcast. What's today? Somebody held the outday Tuesday seventeen, twenty eight days to three. Oh god, I don't know. Yah, punning that out there, jerk. There's a there's a monitor in the engineering pit that has a literal countdown with a volcano about to erupt in the background. It's just it's gonna burst forth a bunch of salty tears and sweat and blood and other fluids. It's gonna be great, but accumulate in the

run up to E three is fun. It's all right. I like you three a lot. It's the happiest place on her Brad Shoemaker Danny old wires here, Hey, what's up? Thanks for having me second happiest place on earth. Yes, Ireland Dance. Do you want to come to the Odwire Nation? What do you got there? It's a new convention I'm putting on. Yeah. It's between kind of funny live and twitch con O'dwire Nation. Get your tickets now. It's just getting drunk in a pub. Okay,

okay, so cool. It's gonna be corn beefs there. That's like an American thing. How it's like, what wait, really, corn beef hash is not an Ireland It's just so good. Sure, it's it's like not that good. It's corn to beef. It's corning like something you do to the beef, Like it's corn a verb in this instance? Or is it corn and beef? What is corn to me? Like you put it in a husker or what it's like ruining it? It's delicious. This is how

do you corn? Something is a complete guess. But does it involve peppercorns? Maybe? Maybe it doesn't have that sort of texture. Oh like those little peppers in there. Yeah, okay, I think it's what you do. It's a parts of the caddy you wouldn't otherwise ease to make it at it. That's it kind of comes off to me as I'm not a big fan of corn beef. That's so good. I love it. Give me a nice it's spam esque, Yes you had I've never had spam or corn. What but their meat? You love meat? I get real meat.

I don't get to be out of a can for once. I'm out of my McDonald cannot I'm on his side for once. I cannot agree with Master read corn beef is definitely real neat. Also, spam massubi is the way to have spam. Ye, spam? What massoubi? What does that mean? Is that like a susi Japanese preparation. Yeah, you basically make sushi out of spam. It's basically spam sushi. You could get it at any seven eleven in Japan and it's amazing. Oh wow. Okay. And and

in Hawaii it's all over the place. Yeah, put it with some rice, roll it up with some some seaweed. Okay, it's it's not all right, some some sesames seeds. A you're gonna get that in Hawaii? Oh maybe? Yeah, yeah, you're going Hawaii. I'm going Hawaii. Maori what whoa? Man? That's right Tomori. That's how they say it

in Hawaii. Yeah, that much Hawaii? Do you speak? I just realize that I didn't know what I was trying to take a guess, take a guess, but like, it's what what do they called the language? It's aloha? And you know, take a guess of what the language is called. Yeah, it's not Hawaiian Eese, is it? Hang on? Hang on? I'm not trying to be stupid. Here. I'm trying to think there is this is great. I don't there's a drink that could help you out here? Oh oh the fucking Hawaiian punch. Oh Hawaiian? What

did I say? Wait? What the fuck did I say? Said? Hawaii? Do you speak Hawaii? I think I was trying to say, like Hawaiian eese or something? Did say I know Hawaiian? Yeah? Sorry, I don't know what the fuck happened there. Hawaiian. Yes, I'm familiar with that word. I know Aloha, right, I know aloha right right, that's two things. Mahalow okay, mahalo is melee khaliki maka okay ohana man one. Yeah. In some territories, okay, what's what's what

did you say? Like family, it's okay? Iwo jima, that's that's not at all completely different party in island midway, Yeah, yepal sure, man. Everybody getting hell out of here this week? Yeah, Jeff, Jeff is off doing E three things free, E three things I should say he's doing. Yeah, Rory's bouncing something. I don't know, Rory skip town. You're getting out of here? Yes, man, it's just gonna come here. This is yeah, it'd be me Dan Rager, Jay's Nace

Dragger. They're putting out a bunch of hit Man DLC. It would be great. I gotta have something to do. Yeah, we only got one shot at that last one and it didn't go so well. Kill the guy. That's true. You really screwed it up after that target. Die. That's all that matters. How's it going, Danny, It's gone good. Yeah. I had a great weekend. It was really sunny, and I spent all day in a room trying to make it as dark as possible. That's exactly what I did too. It's a great way to go. I

felt like I was fourteen all over again. It's like a so good, gorgeous day outside and here I am being a total dirt eye. I like just playing this hell shooter game. Do you have blackout curtains? No? I do not, hon just treat yourself. I don't want to do that. Black blackout curtains are a gift that you give tears. That's like that, that's too close to like college down, that's too close to like Wall

the War Cross like it's like a classy way to make it. Titch Black at twelve in the afternoon classy supposed to like as opposed to like putting tinfoil or cardboard up on the windows. Oh, I get the cartains for at least they're actually curtains. Okay, terrible. Yeah, my cats would freak out. That would be too much. Cats like it in the dark, Yeah, but not when it's like perpetually dark, and then they are in hell. They might as well be playing Doom themselves. Yeah, yeah,

doom. I hear that's good. Yeah, you want to jump right in. We keep playing. It is so fucking good. I cannot believe how good is Yeah. Pause for me, still look quite used to that yet. My favorite part of the past couple of episodes is you guys reacting to it. It's so weird. I think like some of these guys had like forgotten that there ever was segment music, or like I think Dan said he had never heard it before. No. Never, I don't think Dan's listened

to the podcast. I don't listen to any podcast never have. That's fair. I will not hold that against you. It's a big commitment. Yeah, I'd like to commend you, Brad on your audio mixing for the for the ads. Oh yeah, yeah, I think It's really good. The way that the music comes in, It's just the right level and yeah, little fade in some auto ducking. Yeah, I was thinking I might buy

a mattress. Really that effective nice. Some smooth jazz on there this week, dude, is good enough that I wasn't mad that I had to restart the whole game twice. I don't know what was going on with you. Yeah, but that's actually reached out to me after I tweeted about it. It's thought I was in developer mode or had enabled cheats or something which I had not opened up a console or anything. Uh. Yeah, sorry,

that's what I do. I'm a great hacker. No, but does that seems to think it's because my girlfriend was playing on her Steam account on the same machine and somehow like her file was showing up a slot two and mine was slot one, even though it was on different Steam accounts, and somehow that made something weird and it flagged them as cheating. And so yeah, it says like, oh, you can start this file right now, but

everything you do is going to be flagged. Any snap map stuff you do, you know, like you're not gonna be able to get the achievements or whatever, and the only solution, it seemed was like I uninstalled the game completely, reinstalled it. I played another couple of chapters again for the second time, and then got the error again and then had to do all that bullshit again to leap my saves with two different folder and all this stuff, and but hears that I can do it now, right, so like it's

just the same. I'm going now, it is just the same. I had the same, Like the first thing I will look like the second thing I did Friday morning after you come out was pulled the console down and type in god, because why wouldn't you did? I didn't try that one. I mean their achievement names, Like there's an IDKFA achievement names. One of their achievements is called IPX setup dot exc's so good, and I feel like that embodies like everything about the spirit of this game, like it is.

It is really such a sublime throwback to the first two Doom games, but also like incredibly modern in like a way that I didn't think it's software head in them. This game has like no right being as good as I'm like, I can't fathom like the bizarre run up to this thing like like working backwards, like you know, most recently it was they're not sending out review

copies, like that's the bad stuff. And then multiplayer Beata was like, oh, you guys are making like a Halo thing for the multiplayer was not amazing, and like, you know, walking back a couple of years, it's like, you know, all their big names have gone totally. I mean even when you think about the trailers that were shown for this game. Yeah, the gameplay stuff demanded backlash, there was to the glory kills. There still are, you know, even post release, there's been major bad

I've seen a ton of people laying about that. Oh yeah, I mean I am. I am as big a doom purist as you can find, and like, I feel like it fits this gamely. I love of the gameplay and it like especially because you can speed them up to like three x or oh you can't. Yeah, is that just a setting? No, it's a ruin that. Yeah, there's a ruin that. Oh no shit, Oh that's cool. No, No, I want to say that.

I think they are super super cool. I like them a lot. Another thing that you may not notice is, well, so the glory kills of people haven't played it, or the kind of the canned animation mainly executions that you do when you like whittle a guy's health down or whatever. But they have gameplay benefit because they drop health, you know, and like health is up and down like crazy in this game, like enemy attacks do a lot of damage, which is like a one of the many ways in which they

have sort of modernized. I don't even want to say modernized, because what we're sort of used to with games like this or just modern games across the boar would be it like a new Doom or a new tomb Raider or a news or Thief or whatever is that you you get these old games that are they make the game for the sort of modern version of what that is in the genre, right, and then they take sort of staples from that old game and inserted into a modern game, right. And that's kind of what

like Doom three was in a way. It was like, okay, first person shooters in aay sort of linear you know, atmospheric games like Half Life and Half Life too, So we're gonna we're gonna make like a Doom version of that, right, And that's what kind of Wolfenstein was as well, which is like, Okay, we're gonna make a greedy, bombastic first person shooter, but it's gonna have all the sort of Wolfen signed tropes in there, and it was a fun game. We're really good guns and stuff.

But what Doom is is almost like the inverse of that were. What they've done is they've taken the Doom classic games of old and they have solved the

problems that we're in there using modern gameplay mechanics. So in a way this feels like like down to like the way the flow it has feels so much like it to the point where it last night, I remember, you know, there's a certain stage where there are just red barrels everywhere, and I was avoiding red barrels and I was like, I haven't avoided red barrels since Doom one and two, like that's in here, or I haven't like gotten lost in a map and had to go back to the stupid wireframe thing,

or I haven't like searched forever for a yellow key. And it turns out all that stuff within the confines of this game is as fun as it was to all of those years ago, and I don't know how they did it. Yeah, I feel like I feel like I'm playing this going like this has been as good as it was twenty years ago. All this time and

nobody was doing this well. I think the maps are a huge part of it, because those maps are great and kind of sprawling and a lot of again they're complicated, like the paths overlap each other if you have to go to the map and think about where to go in a lot of cases, and then and the map itself is actually it conveys a lot of information cleanly. You know, it's pretty easy to tell where you are and where things

are above you or below you. Yeah, even though you get you get some levels where there are like five levels to the terrain that's stacked on top of each other in the map initially is just like I can't parse this, but like it's actually super easy to pop in and out and like look around and trying to figure out how to get the secrets and stuff like that.

It's like fun to explore a first person game, which I can't. Like, I feel like I'm so burnt down on first person games that they're playing them for twenty years or whatever that like it's so surprising to play a game like this and actually, like it was one stage, I was just lost for fifteen minutes trying to find my way into a place, and it was fun. There's something pleasant about it. It's because you've gotten so used to

super linear first person shooters in the last couple of generations. And also it is to feel open is incredible. Also it was telegraphing things to you, right, yelling to think at all, right, there's there are no NPCs will follow over their head in this game, you know. Yeah, and like and and in those games, like as as much as their linear, like you're also just doing one thing, you know, just shooting everything that

gets in front of you until you get to the next story beat. You know, Like this game has backtracking, It has moments of like quiet, yeah, you know when you've killed everything and you're just looking around the secrets are trying to figure out where to go next. Really well hidden secrets too. Yeah, they are really fun to get to, like navigating the environment

and like really beneficial secrets as well. So it's not just like collecting dolls or whatever so you can unlock you know, stuff for for multiplayer or whatever. But uh, yeah, more importantly, it's like weapon upgrades. Yeah, like they're there are like upgrade systems on upgrade systems in this game. Like it's crazy and it seems like maybe too dense at first, but it

all feeds back into like what you're doing and feels really good. Yeah, it's it's like which were used to upgrade systems adding such a piecemeal bullshits and so many whereas this feels like, you know, a way like Unreal tournaments, probably more so than than Doom or Quake. All those guns had like alternate fire modes that you're basically just unlocking alternate fire modes for all these games,

and they're like just like those old games, they're awesome. Yeah, and and and the challenges to further upgrade all that stuff are like things that you have to think about and like strain to do. You know. It's like I gotta th that was like like you can stick these little rockets like the old fire and the machine gun. It's like you can stick these little

rockets, guys. And the challenge to get the like mastery unlock on that thing was like successfully stick four imps in five seconds and kill them with those girls. Like it's hard stuff, you know. It's like really thoughtful challenges like having to like lure a hell night over next to a ledge get through

the week there, and they do the death from Above swing. So with the glory kills, I didn't realize that there's like it seems like there must be at least six or eight different animations for each enemy because on what side you're coming from. So it's like all like all four sides like overhead, like if you actually duck down and hit them in the leg, it'll do a different Like they're really Yeah, there's tons of them. It's also all

the chainsaw kills, which are great. Yeah, that's when they just put their hands up in an X to try to block it. It's like, fuck you, I'm just sawing right through your arms. Yeah, Like you know, the kind of the viscera of the melee stuff is fine upfront, but like what it serves in a gameplay sense is what actually makes it valuable

to me. Yeah. Yeah, Like there's a huge risk reward of like, well I staggered that guy, Do I run in there and try to get the health when there's like ko demons on either side of It's just shooting stuff is so much fun. Yeah, and the glory kills keep you in there and don't. It's that whole problem with the early games where you were

constantly looking over your shoulder to where the nearest manufact was. And they do have manifacts littered around the arena which help out, but you know you're because the next glory killing you do, we'll give you that a little bit more health. And what I like about the difficulties is that the higher difficulty you go with, the less health you get off one of these guys. And it's constantly, like like you said, it's like your your health is like

a heartbeast. It's just like jumping up and down and you're hoping by the end of the last enemy is falling that you're still standing there. But if you're not, unlike so many other first person shooters, jumping back into that arena is like super super fun. It just depends that, like whether it's still fun after like eight hours, hours, ten hours. That's why it

didn't bug me that much when I had to restart. It's like, well, you know, if I had to watch some like fifteen minute opening cinematic and then go through a bunch of slow, bullshit tutorial stuff, I would hate it. But no, that game starts right away. First five minutes of that game are Yeah, maybe the best first five minutes I've ever seen

in the video game. It doesn't wait, fie crazy what they did with this game, like, especially after Doom three took itself like overly seriously, Like this game's got the perfect amount of reverence for its own bullshit, you know. Yeah, Like I'm just it's it's in the intro, so I'm just gonna say it. But like what they do with the Doom Guy and this thing is fucking hilarious because they frame him as this like this divine crusader, you know, this like this like avenger that's like you know, like

exacting justice on all these demons or whatever. You know, Like you wake up in this like inscribed stone sarcophagus and you step out. I guess you haven't even seen this. That's that's the opening scene of the game. You like, like you like sit up on this stone sarcophagus and kill some shit. Walk in the other room and there's the Doom Guy armor like enshrined in candles and pentagrams and all this ship. When you're seeing holograms of people like

bowing and worshiping to your tomb and stuff. God, Like they take the the ultimate generic video game protagonist, Like he's so generic that all anybody ever called him was Doom guy, and they and they build this insane tongue in cheek mythology that is so awesome. It is incredible, Like they lawed him as a demigod almost like the you know video game culture has and then has.

Like my favorite thing was to the right of him is this like perfect Doom three esque screen which you see a lot of in this game, which says like in Hell Invasion, yeah, like like demonic Invasion, yes, perfect. The writing is so ridiculous, yeah, unsaved, which I love because that implies that there's a same level of Demonic Invasion. I just hit a little little story beat kind of thing where you know, you get the little after images, the little holograms or like here's what happened, and here's

where the echoes or whatever. He's probably what you need to do next. Like there was a scene of a demon like dragging a corpse off and the computer AI voice comes in and it says that demon took your key card. You should go get it. What Uh, it's man, it's so crazy. So how much have you played? Because I'm on the level seven or eight, I forget, like I'm I'm taking way longer than I should get through it because I'm playing on ultra violence, which seems like the way to

play, Like that's it's it's fucking hard. Yeah, I mean, you know it's not unmanageable, but you'll die a few times a level. Uh. And also like just I'm obsessively going after every secret in every level, like it's so much fun to try to sing out. Like it's weird because one of the first suit upgrades you can get is a thing that just marks every secret on your map. You know, it's like, well that's within

a radius, well yeah, near it fortal market for you. But like initially it seems like, oh, that's just gonna lead me by to the nose to everything there is to get, but like it turns out knowing where those things are doesn't really help because it's actually figuring out how to navigate the environment. And like, okay, what what weird unconventional series of like climbing or platforming or like what switch do I need to find before I can actually

get to like security station? You have to like power down stuff. It's it's almost like little level design puzzles like wow, this didn't look like a jump I could make, but like I actually there's a room you get that gives you a ton of air control right on the double jump, like after your second jump, because you get a double jump at some point, and then when you get this room equipped, you could pretty much strafe in mid air or the double jump. You can like like move completely to the like

like really juke over to the left and stuff. And then they start throwing secrets at where you at you where you like have to do that's awesome. You have to like hit a bounce pad, fly across a chasm and then like sort of juke left in mid air into a little cave to get a secret and stuff like it's it's super satisfying or any of those abilities like something that you would have to use in the earlier levels. Like you mentioned backtracking

before, but it's like can I get these during one play through? Yeah, you can go back. You can. Yeah, you can get them all up front, but you can also go back if you the levels are isolated, but you can go back to MISSIONSSI Okay, yeah, but they don't force you to. It's not like you need that that double jump in order to to get some stuff, and like Metroidy like that, it's gotcha. Yeah, I've I've finished every level with like one hundred percent of the

stuff finished in that level. Awesome. When I moved on, man, it's just it plays so well, Like the combat is so much fun, Like it's so nimble and motible. It's like, what you weren't supposed to be that good, dude? What the hell? The multiplayer stuff and everybody was lukewarmed to it and then it's like, well, single players probably just like all the hallmarks of a game that would have had trouble, Like this game has been stopped and started how many times? I mean it'd have done

this with I mean Quake four. I feel like it's still having recovers from Quake four like this kind even like the I forgot the John's game. But the guy who was in charge of this to creative lead was also the lead

on Quake Live, Marty Marty Stratton. Yeah, so I was super surprised to see that he was involved in this because, like my fear was like if you go way back in the history of the Studio, Like I think Quake three is the last thing they did that was universally agreed upon as like this is amazing, right, like like Team Arena was the expansion for that and nobody like that. Yeah, Doom three like very divisive game. Rage, same thing, Like a lot of people are pretty down on Rage and

that's all they've put out for the last like fifteen years. Right, So and then to see like oh John Carmack left and all these other people left that were there back in the day. I mean Wolfenstein didn't even come anted

him, right, what I means right? That was that was machine so like like it felt like just everything was working against this game being and like setting aside, like how seminal like Doom and Quake are like the part of me he wants to say, this is like the best thing they've ever done, Like it's it is crazy how how well put together it is. How do you think you do that? Like when you want to introduce something to to your new Doom game, like weapon upgrades? Yeah yeah, like h

Doom doesn't have that and freak out on its face. That sounds terrible, right, Yeah, Like like a Doom game where you have to upgrade all your weapons, But I don't know. Somehow they make it work. They just make it fit into the like the combat framework and the way the levels flow. It seems like they have a very strong and I haven't played the game, but it's from hearing you guys talk about it, it seems like the developers have a very strong idea of what the character of doing that is.

So I read Time, or I think it was Time that did an interview with Marty Stratton, like like you said, the code and the code director, I think, And so I don't know if you've seen, like this game was in development for like eight years, like they basically had a big part of a game that they completely flushed down the toilet and he talks about that stuff, and some of that footage got out, and if you guys have seen in, it basically looks like of Duty with demons, like

it's on Earth. Yeah, it's on Earth. It's like it's all it's all brown and beige looking and with like aim down sits and like your protagonist just looks like a modern military type person. And yeah, they made most of that game and the gretty reboot right Doom right, and then like three years ago. He said. They stepped back and looked at it and they were like, well, this is okay, but it's not doom. So

they flushed it. Oh that's beautiful, and then like it literally sounds like they just sat down and said, like, all right, what are the tenants of doom? Like what does it need to have so be good and be doom? And it's just like, you know, make it fast, like the guns awesome and fun and like you know, you don't have to reload and pam yeah yeah, yeah. Like I think that that alone is just like that embodies like there's no recharging health right right, Like yeah,

it's like health packs and no reloading. Like it's just a like I feel like the you're gonna be putting on a weapon off grades forever by accidents with the arbut no constantly. But that's like that's an interesting thing, right, is that they decide, Okay, we're not gonna have matic facts or we're not gonna have regenerating health. But like, how do you make a game

in twenty sixteen with that regenerating health? Because I think if you make a game where you're hunting from medipax all the time, you're going to run into the same problem that like so many games to try and be that close to what their original source material was. Is that Like it's great for the people who are having this wonderful nostalgic throwback, but it's not really that right, Like hell up to solve a problem, right, So like, so how

do you go back to that and not have the same problem? I mean, and they fix so many problems with like creating that game for twenty sixteen, Like even backtracking through old environments isn't really that fun. But because of the mantling and because of all this crazy new motion stuff they've added to it, they've taken the sort of I don't know the essence of what Doom is and added in things which I mean, the original Doom didn't have a jump

on them at all. Right, so but they've count look up no, right exactly, Like now it's crucial to look and kind of see what you can mantle to. And there's a lot of there's a lot of really subtle environmental touches. Like you'll notice they're green lights on just about everything that you can mantle onto you, but but they don't jump out at you as like here is the thing I need to press X or the space bar on. You know. It's just it's just it's very subtle that it leads you around.

It's it's really affect. It's those nice nostalgic touches, like the doors. Some of the doors make the exact same noise. There's a lot of sound work in there. There's a lot of like the kike emons, like when you hit him with a rocket and make the same little weird, little croaking kind of screech sound like the funko pop things and they go. There's there's a lot of really good sound design in the I Love with later on and you're with your rifle when you're shooting, it actually shoots like to the

beat of the music. Yes, it's like that intro like that he cocks a shotgun at the same time, like in time with the intro music, like they fucking they fucking late title card. It it's just like doom. It's like pentagrams with fire and metal. And then he cocks the shotgun at the end as like the final beat of the of the music, and he punches he punches the elevator screen. Yeah, which is the end of every Doom level is he punched the elevator all the times. It's so emblematic of

what Doom should be. Like you're you're like grandfatherly administrator comes in over the radio. You're fucking Atlas figure. Yeah, chimes in saying like we're gonna have to work together to solve this invasion. Just listen to me and do what I say. He just fucking punches the radio out of the way. It just walks off, and then he tries to give you that like orb thing pretty early on. This is super important to take care of this crucible.

You're gonna have to remove the filters of this this like thing very slowly, very careful kick and again all that stuff again like ties back into the way that they like deify the Doom Marine and the course of the game as this like mythic larger than life figure. It is incredible, like some of the even some of the flavor text later on, just the little like diaries that you pick up and stuff like that. Stuff is so dumb and it knows it like it knows it, and it revels in how dumb it is.

It's incredible, even like the music is dumb, but in a great, way great, it's good. Yeah, yeah, it's even perfect. But even my girlfriend was sitting there saying, like, I would never listen to this music, but it's so perfect for this specifically. Yeah, even just like the atmospheric steff when you we're looking around for secrets, just that slow like reverb in your head sounds really good. Yeah, totally totally get

a lot. Yeah, and then like like at the end of it all, like just the the individual combat encounters are like some of the most tense and exciting that I've played in a shooter in like a fucking decade. Like that's bad. Like there's a good pacing, like there is that it's like you get that left, you get that bad. Sure, Yeah, there's a lot of up and down for sure. There's definitely times in between fighting that you're like, you know, it's quiet, you're poking around looking for

secrets and stuff. But like, the enemies are so mobile in this game.

Like every enemy, even if it's like a big ass pinky demon that looks like it should be moving around at five miles an hour or whatever, like those things can jump like a story high and up up like effectively, like every enemy in the game can follow you anywhere you go, and like they do so very aggressively, like they're like I was reading in that interview they had they had created that system for Rage where guys could kind of like

climb up and down on platforms and stuff. But I don't remember it standing out and really being meaningful in that game. But I guess they look really good. Yeah it looks neat, but it was just like, oh, well, they're all just going to shoot at me with these hit scan rifles anyway, like who cares. But with so many enemies in this game that have like melee attacks or like projectile type stuff, like the way they move around the environment means you can never just kind of post up behind a box

and shoot at it totally. Like it's so they're not like the cleverest things in the world, but there's enough of them in there in enough variety, and there's enough weapon variety. And also one of the brilliant things that's about this game that again Harven's back to the older games, is that ammunition scar scarcity, which hasn't existed in FBS games. I feel like for the longest time, by the end of any of these encounters usually just you're down to

here. Oh shit, I have to use this gun. I hate using Yeah, but you know, they're not the cleverest thing, but that sort of rock, vapor scissors combat stuff. They don't need to be particularly clever, Like it's just fun, like trying to get a bet of heights you're away from some of the imps or whatever. Yeah, and they found ways to make all those systems work. Like initially I saw that the chainsaw had fuel on it. Yeah, fucking what good is a chainsaw that you can't

just use forever? But then it turns out, you know, like expending chainsaw fuel guarantees you ammo pickups back, you know, so you're kind of it's just like leap Frog and like, well, I'm out of gun Amo now, I'm gonna whip out chainsaw and get gun ammo back and then I'll

have to find more chainsaw Ammo later. And it's just like it works, and in a weird way, it's actually made the chainsaw viable, like piece of tech, because in the original one, chainsaw was like, Okay, I'll wait till I get like the damage boost or whatever, and then I can go kill everything, whereas in this one it's actually a useful weapon. It's not just like a joke. Wepp and like the Gauntlet in Quake three or something. Should we talk about multiplayer? I haven't outside the quick like

I haven't even tried it. I haven't touched snap map or the multiplayer. And like even if those things weren't even in this game, Like the campaign alone is so strong, like I would recommend it without reservation to anybody who wants to play a fun shooter, Like it's it's that good. But I don't know. Have you have you gone online? Up? Yeah? I played a bunch of Debate and I played last night maybe an I are a multiplayer and it's it's like fine, It's like it's fine, Like that's the

thing. It's not like it's terrible. It's just doesn't feel a lot like Doom to me, yeah, or Quake or any of those games that from the id lineam characterized the Doom original multiplayer. Well that's the weird thing because

like Doom had four player multiplayer, but it was so rudimentary. It was so primitive because it was like basically the birth of deathmatch, you know, but all it was was just, oh, four players can run around on the story maps and shoot each other with a rocket launcher, which of the time was plenty, you know, but like Quake was the game where deathmatch

actually came into its own yeah in the I games. But then it's weird because they integrate Quake things like the quad damage back into this game, and it's just right is in this as well, but like you know, this has load outs, like you're limited to two weapons at a time, Like it feels like it's designed much more for people who were into like Call of Duty and Halo and that kind of thing. And it's all team based stuff as well. Right, every mode is a team based mode. Like it's

it's not it's not like offensively bad or anything. It's just not what I'm looking for out of out of its software multiplayer game. But then I'm the guy that would rather go set up a Quake server. I just played a Quake one anyway, so I'm probably a weird outlier. But maybe they're working on a Quake game. Yeah, Like so they didn't want to use all those ideas on this one, so they use all then God doxy sounds really

good. That's the thing. Like it's it's it's so improbable that like you know, Bethesa came in and bought it, and like they are two for two now on rebooting classic ID franchises in like a brilliant way. Like I'd never finished New Order the Wolfenstein game, but I played like half, probably about half of it, and like that thing completely different kind of game than than this New Doom game is, but like like a fantastic, like pitch

perfect modern re envisioning of Wolfenstein kind of thing. Yeah, it felt true to the original but also felt like a modern game, right, and it felt like a unique game. Yeah, frankly, yeah, you know, it felt like I mean it basically felt like a Starberries game because so many of those guys left Starberries still to make that, like it have those touches, like their storytelling touches on it instead, and like stealth that actually worked.

Yeah, totally not not in Doom. No, no, no, no no. The other thing to mention, I guess is that you're all playing on PC. I'm guessing. Yeah, so I'm playing on PC two, but obviously we had the PS four and Xbox One versions in here as well. This game looks amazing, yeah, really even on even on that like sixty frames a second. I mean they do this thing. It's a very thing actually, where the textures sort of float in and out of quality,

like they don't have that pop like unreal engine stuff. But like sometimes everyone's in a while age rice or like great, Yeah, I guess it's probably closely too that, but it's solid at sixty. Yeah. I ended

up switching to PS four even though I wanted to. I would prefer to play it on a mouse and keyboard, but my age and GPU couldn't hack it all right, and those new cards need to come out already, but you know, I needed to check out console for review stuff anyway, And yeah, it fucking looks incredible, Like like it's it's really crazy to see Uncharted four and this game come out in the same week and like like utterly put the lie to the idea that we need new console hardware immediately. You

know. It's like, dude, these games, these consoles are just now coming into their own and like really putting out some impressive looking stuff. Uh, it's I am fucking flabbercast, right, this game came out as good as it did. It had no right yeah to be this to be discod

and we're now talking. It's funny like you mentioned quake three, right, like or Quake four or quake five, whatever it how they call us this quake probably this day if they ended up doing that, like my my anticipation for that has been totally reset over while it was a better week ago, because I was like, I would have played and you probably would have been the same rut. I would have played a Doom game like it would have been fine. The nostalgia would have been enough. Yeah, But at the

same time, the expectations were low. The expectations were low. Everything was working against this game being any good at all, much less like better than I thought they were actually capable of thinking. And the thing that surprised me the most is that not only was I sort of like an hour in like, oh, this is the game they made, but like four hours later I was I was getting increasingly impressed. But yeah, and I've talked to

Peter about it. He's reviewing it, and he's he's pretty he's completed a single player. He says that like later on it sort of overstays its welcome a little bit, and then the end has a really good crescendo. But like I've already like played so much in this game, and I would happen to go back and restart from the start on totally. It's I'm actually thinking about doing that. Maybe, like when when I get a better video card, I might do like a night They've even got like a kind of a

roguelike mode in there. There's rama, there is a Yeah, there is a single death version of nightmare difficulty, which is higher than the one I'm playing. Oh wow, where like I need to look it up. I didn't read the description. If I remember an original Doom, nightmare meant your health was always ticking down and you like constantly had to find health pickups to

stay alive. And I don't know if this has that, but but yeah, like one death end you're done, it drops a skull yeah where you are, and I think, yes, it will show you in the level next time, if you do another run, you'll see where you died last time. Yeah, it's it's really something. I have not been this impressed with a single player first person shooter, and I can't tell you how long

I have it. Yeah, Like I'm not a big FPS guy, but this is a totally that it sucks in Yeah, it's like it's like I feel like some people like these games fine, and then then you know that's

totally fine. But like the serious stams of the world, you know, like the Heart Reset, like you probably a Shadow Warrior, Like you can think of all these games that like harken back to that era, you know, and they're saying like, hey, we're an old school shooter, you know, like they've always come like this close to doing it for me, and I never quite get it or it never clicks for me, And like it seems it just seems really appropriate that this is the one that finally totally

nailed that style of game in twenty sixteen. Probably do, Yeah, they do. It is a guy will. It has earned the rices to caught itself. Yeah it is right now. I am like dying to get out of here and go and get back to it, like that's all I did this weekend. Stopps okay too, Yeah, what exactly. It's a weird thing. It's like it's like I think, Dan, you basically said it was like a little big planet for Doom, right, Yeah, somebody's gonna

make a working calculating and it's kind of appropriate. Like I mean, we saw some just real basic stuff that people would whip out in like a day in Uh, we're shooting galleries and we're shooting galleries and stuff like that. But like Danny, you said, you found a map that was like full of musical instruments. Yeah, there was like a music maker. So the maps you can have up to four people. I think they're all co op

no matter what. And they have a bunch of different archetypes from point to point, like single player experiences or co op experiences, to like wave based modes, to just like random soundboxes and one. So these aren't multiplayer maps and not sorry no, okay, I think you could make like a Hord mode kind of thing, right if you want to take I think you can set people to like different colored teams so that maybe you can set up a one v one v one v one. Ok I'm not sure, but most

of the archetypes are sort of allong the co op lines. But yeah, I found I found a bunch of musical ones. I found one that was just like straight up level Lord style like disco platforms with Funky Town playing rudimentally in the background. And then I found this other one which was just a co op one that had like almost like a big style keyboard in the front that you had to activate by like pressing the US yeah. Yeah, And then there was a drum machine in the corner which was like pulsating, and

I had like a four track drum machine. And then in the other corner was just a massive cowbell button so I could just all make music together. Yeah, so it's it's weird, like kud knows, you know, someone will make one one eventually, and all somebody will do maps have already been made as well. That's great, a head no idea. It was so fully featured, I guess. Yeah. And the Snapam thing itself is it's it's not that difficult to use. I made a single player level relatively simply.

I did the whole spawned like one hundred you know, red barrels and a bunch of cacademons and see you have the framewory handle and it sounds fun. But the one thing I'll say is that on Sunday, so we got it on Thursday and on on Sunday, most of the popular and featured maps were the same, So I'm not sure if people are really using it yet. But like you know, like this first. Yeah, exactly like you, Like Brad said, like this game, single player and owner is totally

worth the absolutely the thing that you should be there for. I did. They said if they're doing like actual mods, like are they just gonna open up? I asked them about dash and the sort of kg response was we're

hoping snap map will facilitate dash. That's the wrong answer. Yeah, So, like Doom is basically the game that created mods, and they've been they've sort of answered all the other questions with like the menu system has so many things that fans would ask for, Like you can strip the hood out, you can change the crosshairs, you can get rid of like the the glory kill highlights. You can do so much. You can you can set that the field of vision to one hundred and twenty if he wants as well,

which is totally the way to play at your fish eye on right. So they have a lot in there. But yeah, he was very much like, yeah, is there a Christmas Doom checkbox? Oh god, man, I have been trying to find the Christmas Doom wade that I had when I was like fourteen for a very long time, and I can't all they had a little Santa hats on and they threw snowballs. Can you can you imagine if like just on Christmas Day that just clicks over the saw God would be

so good. Like even not to not to just keep you know, harping on this game, but like the little the little classic map interludes in every in every level in this game, like are weirdly satisfying to get into, even though like half of them don't even have enemies in them. That's kind of weird. Yeah, but but yeah, like there's like a little snippet of a classic Duom level in every map in this game, really, and like and and you just literally open a door, a secret door and walk

in there. Yeah. So like being in this like lavishly detailed, like twenty sixteen like beautiful looking game and looking through this door and just seeing Doom the weirdest contrast of just like, man, look how far we've come in twenty plus years. It's the same thing with Wolfenstein the new ones, where it's like, oh, I'm looking up and down with this like perfectly detailed gun, but it's these you know, blue chunky walls and these idiot guards.

It plays a check in on the ground. Yeah, it's a it's a very good game. You should play it. Yeah, there's a lot of goofy like these dregs in there as well. Yea yeah, I feel yeah, like, oh, there is a skyri at easter egg of of a sort that you can find. I will let you guess which one it is. It's the worst one, yeah, but oh really, oh god, but most of them, most of them are pretty good. Like there's

there's some like yes, oh yeah, that one's pretty good. The sheer number of people tweeting me that I had to die in the lava on the foundry stage, I was like, Okay, I have a pretty good idea. What happened here that fell in? It's alright, that ruined it for you? Yeah, Like no one actually explicitly spoiled it for me, but the number of people enthusiastically tweeting me, I was like, okay, this can only be one yeah, yeah, and and again before we move on.

I just I can't stress how much my favorite thing about this, even though it plays so well, is just how how little it takes itself seriously, Like, yeah, how how tongue in cheek it is about its own legacy, and like what they do with that is just brilliant. Dude. There's a commander Keene Doll yeah in one of the levels. Yeah. Wow, yeah, it's it's good stuff. That's all I played all weekend, Drew. Yeah. Uh, but then I'm charged. Yeah. I also

a pretty good game. Yeah. Yes, how deep in are you chapter eight or something? Okay, you're right around where it's really starting to pick up. I think, yeah, I it's interesting. We were talking about modern level design and leading you a certain way. I'm kind of having a tough time with the level design, like I keep getting lost, uh and just kind of frustrated. But it's like, I don't know, it's okay. Uh, Like I'm okay with it just because it is so pretty to

look at me, you know. I hammer I oh, I'll jump this way and I know I won't make it, but I'll die anyway and it'll restart me and I'll I mean just in terms of like looking around the environment and saying, like what is the next hand hold on the stuff like that. It's it's interesting like that game, uh, Mirror's Edge to some extent, Like when games do that, you start to rely on that and then

you like your brain loses the ability to solve problems. Yeah, so it I kind of had the problem with The Last of Us, where I guess this is sort of in the same ballpark of that feeling is in Enemy Encounters. I was having a hard time because I was playing on a normal difficulty and so I thought it was easy, and so I didn't take it as slow as I could, and then I ended up dying a lot more than when I bumped it up to hard and started taking my time a lot more.

So I'm just having some time to adjust, But I like the game a lot. Yeah, I had kind of a similar experience with that thing, where like the disconnect for me is that I stopped trying to think how I would do something, and I start trying to think what do they want me to do? Ye, Like what did the designer of this want to lead me toward? And like that's a different question than just like how would I approach this problem? You know, like it definitely leads to some dead

ends and stuff, But yeah, did you play through that? Yeah? I tried to complete that and do them over the weekend and failed on both agains because I kept jumping from one aga. Yeah, it's a good problem to have. Yeah, I'm almost at the end, and yeah, this is like I enjoyed the third first in action games. I'm not a huge, huge fan like I enjoyed Arya. Two was was wonderful. Three he was fine. I sort of banced out on it. But this is incredible.

It's weird, like since four came out, like this groundswell of hatred for three has come out. Hatred. I remember when it first came out, most people were disappointed that I talked. I was disappointed for sure. I definitely see some people maybe they're lunatics here and there, like literally calling that game garbage and stuff. You know, it's it's still that's just dumb

internet hyperbole. It's a really good game, but it makes me second guests liking it at the time and thinking like you should go back and play it. Maybe it really was a tree rick. It just didn't do much to top two. You know, there wasn't any big step up really, I didn't think the set pieces were as good. Didn't really do anything control or gameplayer or certainly story wise. So yeah, and two was such a huge step up that you know, you can't expect that every time. But then

Ford did that again. Yeah, yeah, just need a little bit of time. I guess I finished four since last week's show stuff later in the game. Super happy with gameplay wise? Is it like I kind of mentioned my review that it kind of stays a little over lawn of that stuff, Like, Yeah, it's pretty much exactly what you like. In fact, I feel like almost everybody could agree on exactly which parts it is that are superfluous. There's like there's like one firefight and one climbing sequence too many.

Yeah, and I think I think everybody could point it exactly which too. I think I might be in the middle of that, right. Yeah, Like it was very much like, oh, I thought it was going to end this chapter, but there's actually two more chapters and it's more of that stuff. And then, can I say, withouts spoiling anything, because we talked about the wonderful the Easter eggs and Doom unshotted form may have the most pitch perfect, brilliant Easter egg well I have ever exag I got a bone

to pick here. I know what part you're talking about, and it's awesome because everyone said it on Twitter for a long time and it goes so deep. What is one of the defining characteristics of an Easter egg. That okay, that like it's hidden. Okay, yeah, one thing that you can't, like, an integral part of the story that you can't skip past. I see every don't think Easter eggs Easter egg but like Easter eggs early in the game. No, it's early in the game. It's are we talking

about something different? Like? Okay, wait, if you haven't played un chart at four and you don't want to know what this is, turn it off. I'll turn this podcast off right now. Okay. All I'm gonna say is how appropriate you fight like a cow? Fight like a cow? What you any of you? Oh? No, the hell are you talking? No? No, I am not talking about what you guys are talking about what happens in the third chapter. Yes, are you talking? I'm

talking about the Monkey Island reference. Oh I didn't get that. Oh, oh my god, I've ever played Monkey Island. Oh my god. Okay, we're talking about totally difference. Okay, do you remember this is so fast forward thirty seconds? If you haven't seen this, do you remember the painting of the one pirate that they don't know who it is and he doesn't recognize the monkey stage. Do you remember that that's guyber straightfoods? What?

Yes? Is it? But is it like a stylized like super realistic like barroque painting looking and they keep going back to it, and like Nathan that one says says, oh, that's the second biggest like temple I've ever seen, which is that's the second big monkey head I've ever seen. And when when you have actually find that another painting of him in that big room, it's like gu and then it's burnt off the rest of that's crazy. That's

that's really good. Yeah, I had no idea. And he says, oh, he looks younger than the other pilots are pirates, which is a whole guy with it. It's and they keep bringing it off. That's amazing as a massive monk out and find us like the best Yeah, as as piratical as this game is, like that that that's super appropriate. That's that's

good stuff. Yeah, I am super glad to have played that game, like the way they end it and then like end the series, you know, yeah, saying like it was the last one, Like they do a really good job with that stuff. I'm looking forward to that. I think I have a a when it comes to story. I think I have a high tolerance, yeah, for for games going crazy places, right. Uh. I didn't mind the Blue Guys for example. Yeah, not saying it

was the best part, but whatever. Yeah. But I just I think, like, just like The Last of Us, like this game ends in the context of characters and how they end up and like, you know what their development is like Yeah, right from a character standpoint, they end both of those games extremely that's what they do the best. Yeah, absolutely, Uh. Also done playing in Charted games. Yeah, I saw that they're making single player dealc for that thing, and I'm like that story or what?

Yeah, that's I figured it has to be something in the vein of Left Behind, because yeah, I don't know what. I have no idea what else they would do. They killed it with left Behind, so yeah, that's true. I mean, nothing was amazing and unexpected. I wonder if it's like some you know, Sam backstory thing, like oh it was this crazy Sam thing from ten years ago. Yeah. I just I find like, like, generally, with a well written character, I don't need

to see a bunch of prequel stuff. You know. It's like, if you do your job well, and you write the character and characterize them and I get who they are, and I don't like, I don't need to see what made Sam who he is because I feel like, what if what if you could see dark Vader as a little kid? He built three? Did you know that way? That explains everything? Yeah? I know,

that does explain a lot. And he got real sad. Yeah, he was mad animals due, it's not it's not U and you've been playing anything else just those two. Apart from those two, I guess the Overwatch beta wrapped up last week? Yeah? Or is it should be known Overwatch because that is a one to one for what the final release of that game is as far as I know. Oh really? Oh yeah, that's it. That's all the maps, that's all the heroes, that's all the game modes,

that's the whole ship. Okay, that's fine. I liked that game a lot. Yeah. Watch is a fantastic game. Yeah, so how you feeling about it? Because you didn't I didn't have a chance to play this last beta, Okay. I was trying to power through Uncharted at that

time. Yea, I like it. It's it's really good. I mean, it's that thing's well put together for sure, so many layers to it, Like I feel like exploring all the other characters that Like, today they released the Genji and Hanzo animated short, which looks amazing and like, now I want to play both of them, Like I hardly ever play Hanso or

Genji is it isn't like hand animated. Have you seen any of these incredible just it made me immediately think of the t F two shorts that they've done in that in that style, yeah, very similar, like sort of Pixar esque video game, like all of the characters within the levels that are in the video game. But they're really good, Like I'm it's just their way up, like trying to flesh out this universe, which you know it was

basically untouched via the games themselves. But it's cool. Yeah, there's like a whole mmo there that was going to explain every these people are and stuff. But I was just gonna say that, like, yeah, keeping with the theme of this being a new better TF two. Yeah, so they did new better shorts to go along. It's it's been interesting seeing the sort of reaction to this, considering how much beta there was for the past six months to see everyone get their hands on it. During the public beta,

was was really something else. They put out numbers they hit almost ten million players. Bet what. Yeah, it's nuts. Whoa, it's crazy. Granted it was free anybody to jump in, but yeah, you know it's that you got us feel for Battle Born a little bit in terms of like last time as well, like that's that's that's a rough one. Dan. Dan gives no quarter. Really not not a good video game. It's no, it's no Overwatch anyway. I mean they're different beasts, pretty different games.

But it does feel like that is now the first person that is going to be like it's obvious now, I guess when when you look at it, it like that's going to be the Heartstone, that's going to be the World Warcraft, that's going to be the next big first person. I'm not sure about the sport angle on it to people, barely honest, but in terms of like just playable, like the ability it'll be that that Team Fortress

big game for like the next two or three years. It's one of those great games that you can just turn on, hop in, yep, hop out, And I think Heartstone is another one of those things so just play one match and then I mean it turns into seventeen. I don't know. We talk about this little bit too, Like, I it's great. This is my like kind of just knee jerk sort of impression of this game. But it seems like there are enough characters and enough like abilities that could synergize

well together. They're like in an esports context, like you know, building an optimal team, like having heroes that work well off of each other,

like could be kind of a big thing. Yeah, I guess the one thing I worry about is that like esport level skill usually imply usually like they create like a widow Maker at an esport level with the same character could be op in a way that like on a public server, they might not necessarily like some of the stuff you can do with her with like grappling into the

air and firing from there. Like the high level play has gotten so good at that, you know, if you're good enough to do that, right, Yeah, maybe we're able to get that kind of play deserves to be highlighted. Yeah, I guess I'm just not a fan. I'm not a big esport watcher anyway, even in CS, which is which is a series. I love playing st Yeah, I just I've never gotten into shooters specifically

as a resporting Like we've talked about that before. Like it's just something about that perspective makes it hard to get a good sense of like what the overall flow in the matches and kind of see things from the bird's eye view that a moba affordsh Yeah, excited I forgot to come out, yeah real soon, like yeah, two weeks I think we were talking about on on upf Like what does Blizzard do after this? I mean like obviously it'll take all

the genres or done sports games, Like it'll take a while. You know, it'll take a while to get this game settled. And obviously like they support the shit out of their games for a very long period of time. But like that's not gonna take the whole company. You know what if they took over Watch and made an mml oh Man that seems like that idea hose some legs. Yeah, I mean, maybe they do take another swipe at

it, Like, maybe they do take another swipe us. Like all they've been doing is looking at like growth areas and then taking advantage of them, right, Like the strategy stuff was kind of on the back of a bunch of strategy games. Going back again when StarCraft hit, I think maybe Dablo is probably just on its own, Like heart Zone was very much like looking at a genre, it was ever expanding, Like it's kind of what Blizzard does, right, Like they look at a thing and say we could do

that better, and then they come in and do it better. Yeah. So I don't really know what's Yeah, what's the next natural fit? But you would never have said that first person shooters were a natural fit totally apart. Yeah, okay, all right, yep, blackthorn Wheel, Yep, yep, point that shotgun right behind your head. We allow any rock and roll racing while you're at it, yes, please? Yeah, an actual one? Yeah? Do you ever played the Russian one that was? Yes?

I think we. I think Jeff played that on the site one time. Yeah, so I think we look at that thing, right, was it a quickly before they yanked it off Steam because were like Slen, Yeah, yeah, that thing's ridiculous. Uh Dan, Yeah, you've been playing anything that A lot of PACARSS three D in class Royale as usual. But I also just bought until Dawn. Yes, I've never I've never played before. A lot of people like it a lot. It's a really fun one

to play with a significant other. And Amazon had it for like half off, so yeah, one ahead and bought it, and uh, starting that tonight. So I'll give some impressions next week. Probably a big horror game, are you Space Piece Terriff? Right of course? Of course, right. I'm not a big horror movie guy. Horror games. I'm up for anything, really, But I think just recently, you know, Bianc and I played through Resident Evil the remake, and we love that so much and

like we want to do something like that again. So I've heard that Until Dawn is another good one of those, and you know, past the controller back and forth for you know, each character when they die or whatever. So yeah, I have no idea what to expect going in. I heard it's got Heavy Rain style action sequences. I like heavy Rain a lot. I like things where choices matter, and I've heard that it is certainly the case of this, So yeah, I've got than in like heavy Rain.

Yeah, like the decision, the decision feel like they matter a lot more in this than they do. Cool, Okay, like Heavy Rain, it felt like you're just kind of taking a box and then the story moves on anyway and maybe something will change later, whereas like this game literally put down

the controller and heavy Rain and got the same outcut right right stuff. But like the what can happen in Until Dawn branches dramatically, like in terms of who lives and dies and what scenarios you see play out after cool and stuff. It's it's yeah, yeah, I've got high hopes, so I'll start that tonight. That's super good. I'm totally downloading Pocket Card Jockey for the

plane, are you? Oh yeah, okay, oh yeah, wait, that's the that's somebody somebody wrote in I don't know if this is true because I tried to google it and couldn't find anything. But somebody said there is a phone version of that in Japan, really, because we were talking about that released. Yeah, I don't know if that'll actually come out here and I'll see that totally working on phones, but what's it on? Yeah, it's weird. I would like a phone version, Yeah, I would really

like one. It's a weird game. Horses and Saltaire. Okay, there at last, Bucket Card Jackey, you're playing that also? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good. That's what fell in. Yeah, I did, but I got rid of Clash Royale. I think I did. Yes, I'm still clean. Man, you aggressively uninstalled that game. Still clean. Come on up to Arena six. It's fun up here. I also deleted that game over the weekend and then made it about twelve hours and

then reinstalled. Good man, good man. I didn't want to be the last man standing here. All right, it's bad. I've got a pretty good deck going right. Yeah, are you running? I got the Hog got I got a Giant, I got Minion, Horde, Freeze. I'm not doing Freeze. I got Fireball and Arrows, a lot of you know, basic cards. I don't have any legendaries or anything. So good Yeah, doing? All right. They're finally nursing Freeze, are they tomorrow? I think this week? Yeah. The duration, yeah, it's gonna be

shorter durations. Okay, fuck that card. You should probably install it. Yeah, you're right, you're right. It's a bad game for assholes. Somebody somebody tweeted somebody tweeted to me about that game, and I'm paraphrasing here, but they said something to the effect if I have never played a game that made me want to do violence to other people. It's the fucking emote, it is. The emotes are the worst thing, pretty bad and just

like you know, just the normal fucking pay to win bullshit. Like I don't think I ever really had much fun playing Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. My My ratio of playing it to having fun with it is abysmal and it's really bad. Like I hate almost every minute I spend with it. It was super addicting and it's like, Okay, I'm getting an influx. That's kind of cool, but man, this is overwhelming because all these

people have, you know, some much higher levels shit than me. But it always keeps you right at that level of toward, Like you never feel powerful. You never feel like, oh I just upgraded my Mini and Hord to the level nine. Now when I fuck everyone up, it's like no. Then it just gives you harder people and you get beat by assholes all the time, over and over and it's the worst game. They laugh at you the whole way. Yeah, fuck that game, how much? It's

great? Now we're talking, do you know what, do you know what your dollar count is at? I'm probably I don't think i'll be spending much more. I was gonna you don't think I feel like that's the upper bound of good taste with this game. If you're gonna get much past that, you're like, I think I'm done. I still have like forty five thousand gold last me for a while, yea, and like thirteen hundred gems, so I should be all right. Wow, it turns out it wasn't violent

video games after all that made our children. Yes, it was. It was it was people paying money to be better at a game than you and then laughing at yep, oh my god, fucking spamming the crying King of mote as fast as possible as they beat you. Oh it's bad, It's really bad. Yeah, bucket card h jockey. Yeah, that's that's fun. I'm getting what was it? Eight dollars as bad as Dan made it sound. No, okay, what all? No, it's not Look at

our quick look and look how what ship is in there? I know you oversawd that, you but you, but you got to watch me explain that. I had to just go through the text. I was not really watching your I tune that out, like, but no, you admitted into your but the gameplay and stuff you got to watch the gameplay, which when you just start from scratch and it's trying to explain all this Gidey up meter and

unity power and all that stuff. It's throwing it out at you really fast and without having a person explained to you, like Okay, here's what this does and that does. I also maybe I'm just stupid because it was really confusing for a really long time. But once you figure it out, it's it makes sense. It's cool. Yeah, I didn't think it was that bad. It's like, okay, you're you're simming like a horse race, right, but mainly you're just playing Solitaire for the most part as fast as

possible. It's and the unity and power and the Guide up meter and the mood and the comfort zone forecast and all that stuff that like, that's the stuff that I was like, wait, if this was just Solitaire or like one or two systems, I would give a comfort zone forecast like it points forward or back. So it's like, okay, I want to beat forward

or back, so I'll draw in that direction. But what that means as far as like okay, is a good thing and we want to be Yeah, because you get more unity power in it right right, unity between. But then you get more unity power if you rub the Gidea up meter when the horse is in a good mood. Naturally, where do you rub the horse and the Gidea up meter in the button? Where's that? It's in the top right of the bottom screen, right next to rub it. You

should all be ashamed of this conversation. You Pokemon aspects. You can create these, Yeah, yeah, because there's a growth mode. There's a growth mode and a mature mode. And growth mode is when a horse is like zero to two or three or four years old or whatever, and that's when you're building up their stats and everything during while they're growing horses juice and then yeah, and then you bring them into mature mode when they're not building up

their stats anymore. But you can try to like have them win a bunch of awards and stuff before you retire them. And then you can breed your horses like your best horses. You can try to get them to do stuff and then to have a baby horse come out that we'll have good stats and bread and characteristics from their parents, like oh, if it's a tight right turn and I'm on the inside of the last whatever, I get more giddey app unity or whatever. So giddey app unity makes the games it wasn't made

though, Yeah it's true. Yeah, actually yeah you put it that way. Is there is there a ship to glue button or glue faggery button? No? No, But do you think you can retire to tire? Okay, you retired? Yes, go to the farm, send them off to the pasture. Yeah, sure, it would surprise me. The game starts with your your character getting trampled to death, right yeah, yeah. What does the guy say, something like bad news, you're dead or something.

Yeah, like you wake up in the limbo basically, and it's like, oh, yeah, you died. Okay, didn't expect that from the Solitaire game. Pretty wild. I like, yeah, it's cool. I'm gonna have to check that at some point, but yeah, not a lot of time, baby and stuff. Kind of want to plan a charted kind of don't like. I've kind of played that game an awful lot, yeah, over the years, and it's it's a weird one because yeah, I like

to watch people play those games, not necessarily play them as much. I watched two because I edited the video review and just recorded all the cinematics. I do that from the main menu, had no interest in and charted before that. But just watching the cinematics for that video review and then editing it, I became an under fan. But you never actually played two. You never actually played two. That's good stuff. Yeah he was a big deal.

Yeah, four is really good. I don't know that it's a big deal in the same way, like just so much has changed since then, so many other games have done similar things. One, three, three for me is like, you know, it's a big, like you know, action blockbuster, like a popcorn flick, and it never really drew me in in that respect. And it sounds like four is taking a lot of cues from like Last of Us, and you know there's a deeper character study,

more in a serious narrative. Does that sound yeah right, yeah, interesting narrative. It's not just serious and nothing, you know, it's it's propulsive like it really it's like a paid shurner. You know, it's exciting and you really want to know what's gonna happ That's that's that's what I need. That's what I'm looking for. It thinking that that's serious and you were going to climb and climb and climb to get there, so shit to shit like

fall out from under my feet whenever, not once, not once. Yeah, they actually really drilled it back on that one. Do I drive vehicles and stuff? And is that really fun to do? Yeah? Okay, why you don't think so? But I really I've never liked the vehicle part. Just know this. When there are rock slides that you can slide down, you can also slide across. Oh you will have to do that. It does not make any sense. Yeah, you won't think that you'll be able to do it, but you can do it. You can even you

can do it straight. Drake could do a lot of things that normal people can't. Yeah, like ignore gravity. I'm writing down when he's got real confidence in his hook rope ability. Yeah, extremely strong hands too, like forty feet and just grab a rickety boarding fingertips of steel. Me. It does make me want to like get good at rock climbing. Yeah, you'll be just like Nathan Drake. Ye, the world's the world's greatest solocal timer

record for sure. Absolutely, him and Tom Cruise and Mission I possible to All right, that's the that's the games we've been playing. I'm gonna go sneak in five minutes of doom while will you take a quick break and we will be right back. How the hell did I forget to talk about the most important topic of the weekend? Clee he may m boo. Yep, that's the one I play. That's not what I that's an animous fact. That was not what I was. It's coming out on go on Thursday or

something. Anime fighters, dude, it's really good. It's like a non traditional anime fighter. Yeah. Yeah, who's in it? Give me one name I will recognize. Oh, I can't remember. I wish that's an anime lady dude. She played in San Francisco not so long ago. She didn't. She's not a real person. Is she flew in all the way Japan? That's not true. On a concert. There is a fantastic post on the Giant Bomb forums about a guy who went to ask concert in Texas.

I believe didn't she play the war Field? Here? Yes, played the war Field? The war Field. I want one of the multi color like uh tidy posters from like the seventies. Was Gucci was playing with her? They're really good live. So I learned from this post that the music is all live. It's only Miku and her vocal like friends. That's not like what they did with the guerrillas, where they would have the like cartoon things, but there was actually like an or whatever was back there saying,

except there's no one singing. Right, it's robots. It's just like Matt Cross plus. Are you saying a robot camp sing? No? Perhaps what robot wants to express itself creatively? Can drive cars? Yeah, robot race? Wrong podcaster? No, sorry, the topic I had in mind. Twinkle and Drew's eye. Oh I know, I think he knows where this a tear coming from. We need we need our annual Eurovision report. Oh, I believe I forgot to ask. I wish I could give you a

full, a fuller report, but I only saw about an hour. Yeah, man, how what? How? What could be more pressing? I had had birthdays to attend. Okay, I guess I guess that counts. Yeah, why didn't you wanted to treat yourself on your birthday and hang out and watch your a vision? Yeah? But yeah, yeah, scheduled things before I knew this. Yeah, that's a shame. Anybody catch more.

I didn't watch any of them any so I can't, like, you know, our internet was out like a Friday night and then most of Saturday morning, and I'm so sorry. It was terrible because everybody was tweeting about your vision and I'm like, I want to watch. But it finally came on as the last act was wrapping up. But I got to see the highlights And did you watch the voting round? I watched the voting round? How did that? I heard it worked differently, I think so I watched it

last year, I think for the first time. Yeah, the same, like straight up like American Idol style. Okay, I mean that that's my reference because I'm a big American Idol American Janat justin timber Lake as well. That was that was great. Wait did he play? I think he did play. I didn't watch it. He was actually there. They like Israel words of encouragement during the voting round to like all the participants. It's like, okay, the first year that it aired in the United States, technically,

oh did it? Yea, I will go TV. I watched the Swedish stream because I watched the Norwegian one. But yeah, like JT came out with like fucking headphones that had JT on the Great Okay, watching a line. No, he's uh. I think he's touring Europe to promote his new movie Troll. Yeah, I think so. I think that's the reason why they brought him there. Okay, anyway, but yeah, the voting stuff was just like, you know, they play a clip and it's like, okay, text this number for Norway. I don't know, and then

I'll the scame in anyving countries, but for Norway I probably probably. I saw one screen grab of a guy who looked straight out of Castlevania, and I was like, yep, but looking dude, god weirdal with the red tunick and the long hair. He looked like it looked like a guy from Lords of Shadow. You get at least one Castlevania character per your revision, and I've got to watch that thing next year. Apparently there was a in the semi finals naked man with a wolf. I saw, Yes, I

saw that. I saw fred grab of that too. I was intrigued. I saw the cost player from Germany. She's like, ah, yes, some of the costumes they're like really like extravagant, not to mention the production value. My god, like it's really impressive. Yeah, it's fun to watch you guys U. There's an animated gift going around of a crash zoom that happened during Oh is there one of the performances of that like puts that old Sony press conference to shame. Man, it's crazy. You should find

that Like that one's really impressive. That's the lower third day US as well. Looked like the text from Dark Souls. So every time they like how the new presson come up, it was like, oh, it's a new boss because they just had crazy d and others. Yeah, well I got I gotta watch that thing next year. Yeah, man, we said that last year. I know every year and then there's something going on every like we get a lot of requests to live stream, live stream it and and

uh yeah, which you can't. We can't do that. We can't rebroadcast somebody stuff. We could do like a screening room like we used to do with movies where we want to sync it up. It's like you can overlay this yourself or whatever. Right, it also gets like all those different streams are like, you know, there's weird delayed between all of them. Yeah,

that's the problem. But yeah, like we can only do that with video game press conferences, because they were already promotional in nature, and it's not like, you know, yeah, generally, man, I just want to watch your revision. Yeah I don't want, I don't know, a massive dinner. But this as somebody who grew up watching this stuff, this

has like totally jumped the shark. Like there used to be a sincere heart beat which ran through this, which made it even more awful in that, like you would watch the Eurovision and you were laughing at everyone else, but you were proud of your own country and you were like you were like, they're all stupid, weird Europeans doing their weird European thing, but our one,

our one's are like a real ballad and we're gonna win. Whereas like like and everyone had that where like they hit, there was like a pride in their own in their own act, and slowly but surely every country decided, oh this is kind of terrible, and like started promoting silly acts. So is it just who can out weird? Who know exactly? Now it's

just this ridiculous. Like when Lordy won, it was like okay, we've we've we've you know, crossed the rubicon now this is just it was like the Guara looking dudes from Yes, they were a real Baton or Norwegian. Yeah, there were popular metal bands in Europe and probably metal circles over here. So when they won, it was like, that's crazy. And at one stage we put in a like a like a hand puppet of a turkey. It was our entrance one year, but like that was at hand puffet

Dustin. Now Dustin is not a very like double person. Yeah, he was used to host children's television but like Arlen one of for a couple of years in the nineties, and like it was the genuine it was like winning the World Cup. It was like a genuinely like prideful national moment. And now it's just a circus freaks. Is it just too self aware? Now? Is totally that's too bad? Yeah. The introduction a guy made whoever was on stage m seeing made a joke about after this, now I can

eat carbs again, and then immediately started talking about war. Yeah. Well, I mean the song that won was a Ukrainian song should be giving out to Russia, right, Oh was that that I saw? I read an article about that before the event that like like a lot of like the Russian judges had already vowed to vote against her basically because it was like it was very explicitly calling out, Yeah, it's something that happened. I believe in

the forties the song is called yeah sort of thing that one won. That's okay. I think it was last year where two years ago when Russia it was right after Russia like invaded the Ukraine and then the Russian contestant got massive booze. Yes, but they I think they tried to hide it somehow. I don't know. Chickens coming home to RUSI your origion is still weird enough to me. Yeah, uh that I that. I still love it. I'm just better because we're not winning anyway. Yeah, your time will come

back around. Missed the House Yon days of rock and roll kids and apparently the river that the British commentary is is fabulous. But we have no way of watching that over here. So sorry to everyone on Twitter who said you should watch that. That's a shame you can't. Kay Walks next year for sure your vision all right? He wants to hear about some news I do. Let's do with the news I got, I got news, Okay,

Dammy knows. Yeah, every week, although I won't listen this week, maybe I will maybe and hear how lovely you sounded, uh River last week, like no tail, the ships a long time. Yeah, our lives are just trickling away before our fight. I guess the breaking news, yes, yes, at the very end of the last week's show, we barely the bomb cast catches the breaking news before they stopped podcasting. That one.

Maybe not so much. It's it's a crapshoot, but yeah, we just barely caught the full on cancelation of Disney Infinity like moments before ending the show last week, so we kind of basically just knew it was being canceled and that was it. That was all we had heard. So yeah, there was there was an earnings uh call. I mean this, I don't even know if we'd addressed that last week. I think that was part of the initial kind of Twitter information that was going around. But Disney's earnings like they

missed their earnings target. They were now in overall and and Bob Iger kind of got on the phone and not happy talked about that stuff. But that was like overall, not necessarily for the Yeah, that's the whole company. That's the whole company. But you know, I guess as a result of that, they're looking to slash and burn and that was like, you know, like such an aside project for them. Yeah wow, Well I think I think it's just you know, it was like modestly prof able and not

like you know, the growth line that was just going straight up. So that was not enough for them to to keep pumping money into it. But like a bunch of information has come out about like oh, you know, they they ordered way too many toys that ended up not selling. It was like they made bad bets on how much manufacturing to do. Was it like a you draw tablet things that was similar to the warehouse filled with things?

So one one Patrick Klevic at Kataku has written Yes of YouTube dot com that's written, Uh, he wrote a pretty in depth story as he has want to do about some of this stuff, and like, uh he talks about like I just to head over to kotaography you want to read all the nitty gritty details. But he talks about some crazy stuff with like not exactly in fighting, but some kind of friction between different departments of Disney something like that.

Like that is a massive project, Like, not only do you have the game and the toys, but you've got all these brands. Everyone has to work together so well and this thing work. The crazy thing is they're all part of the same company, and from the outside looking in, you're just like, oh, why wouldn't that all just be puppydogs and roses? You know, like apparently like the leadership at these different divisions has different ideas

about how these things should happen. Frozen people way too yes, yes, such, yes, very chilly on this whole thing. You know, there's some some examples in here of like, you know, kind of minor Marvel characters getting shoved in at the insistence of Marvel, and like toys being manufactured for those and nobody wanted those characters, so they didn't sell, so they lost him a lot of money on plastic goods. There for the examples of like which ones those were, uh, oh gosh, I'm looking forward in

this. I think they referenced the guy the blue the blue guy from Guardians of the Galaxy. I'm trying to find his name that movie. I don't remember a blue guy. What blue guy? He's he's kind of a side character, I know, the Doctor Manhattan. I started, I started watching I started watching that movie recently and didn't finish it. Now I feel like

a crazy person. The first one Galaxy. Okay, I think you and Me are the only Marvel movies I've kind of like, I feel I feel like everybody in the world is in love with Guardians Galaxy and just didn't it fun. Ben Diesel is a tree. He was one of the better parts of that movie. Actually, I feel like I feel like that thing is a series of like the flattest one liners on on Earth. It was none of the jokes that thing for me at all. Trader was really that's uh.

Fattista is good? Yeah? Who was who was he? Dave Batista? I mean wrestler man or whatever they heard in tattoos, like the convicts guy. Yeah, ok, yeah, what's his name? Shit, it's a krock Knack or something. No, God, what the hell is his name? Drags? Yeah, scracks. Yeah he was all right, I

was a wrestler. Oh yeah, I guess that makes sense anyway. You know, like like they talk about like you know, you've got you've got lucasfilm with Star Wars and Marvel with all their stuff and like Pixar and just like the number of different properties in this thing was crazy, and we all have a lot of good stuff going for them. So they feel like they can drag, they can pull punches or pull their weight around, right,

I think they I think Hulk is another Uh let's see. Yeah. Yeah, one of their sources said, I wanted, yes, I would buy that one. Expectations for Hulk were so huge they produced two million toys. Unfortunately, as the story went, they only ended up selling one million units. So like they just basically ate a bunch of money on toys that didn't move. And uh, he gets into a lot of detail about what was in the pipeline for the stuff, sorry, and trying to find it.

So I'm sorry. Sorry. In fairness to the games, it always that stuff always looked effortless from the consumers. Yeah, it looked like everyone was working together to be on this like interesting project totally. But like the way the story breaks it down though, like when you look at some of the stuff they could have done and didn't write, like, it kind of makes

you realize how how much that affected the product. You know, they had already come out and said there wasn't going to be a new boxed game this year, like they were going to kind of take a year off and focus on three point zero, which they had already put out. There were plans for a bunch of Rogue one stuff, a Star Wars movie from the end of this year. We're gonna make it in There were gardy wetted joint. Yes. Yes, indeed they were working on a line of twelve inch figures

that we're gonna light up and stuff. No, not not feeling it so much on compatible with they get like twelve Yeah, they would, they would. I guess they would touch the portal and do stuff. Imagine a twelve inch Well, I have Mega Yarnioshi. I have two Mega Yarnioshi's. It's close to twelve inch. Okay. One box one that reminds me Beata Breakers was this weekend too. I ran that. Oh how did that go? Not as many old guy winers this last year, but still too many old

guy wainers. They're cracking down. I counted twenty six before nine am. Did you yeah? Wait, were you just like on the route or did you run it? And I didn't run it? Okay, I was observing, just hanging out, Yeah, looking for winers. Looking for winters were morning drinking. Oh yes, excellent barbecue, good stuff. You were barbecuing while people were wieners were walking past. Hang on, wait, what do you what do you grill at nine am? Sausages? Okay? Yeah,

sure, breakfast. I had the best thing because like that was that's an early race. It starts at eight o'clock, so you're done and back home and it's like eleven o'clock and I don't have to feel bad at all about Like I'm gonna get a shiploaded taco bell and just play Doom the rest of it, and I feel great about like I'm all sore. I did some ship and I'm just playing Doom and eating tacos. Yeah, it's a pretty

good day. Yeah, solid. I wonder if you could wonder would you like to make eggs on a grill, just like throw a skillet in there? That's what you could do that? Yeah, yeah, kind of smoke them a little bit. Sure, huh we do that camping breakfast grilling. Yeah, that sounds all right. Or take a take a bunch of bloominum foil, make a bowl out of it, and throw a bunch of chopped potatoes in there. Uh, and then maybe maybe you could thrust some eggs

and some cheese in there and throw that on the grill. Yep, grilling's pretty cool. Yeah, those figures are really nice, Like I actually like collecting them. The games are not bad either. I like getting into that toy box stuff whatever. But yeah, yeah, I'm really I'm really bummed. Yeah, not only for you know, the game and like, you know, the figures that I may or may not have been looking forward to, but that was a that was a really good team of people as well.

Yeah, totally, And well you definitely won't like this next part then. So, like I said, it sounds like Rogue one and the kind of twelve inch figures were the big plan for this year, but they were already working on Infinity four point over next year, and it sounds like the big thing that was going to have that the series really always needed was a story mode that would bring all those properties together, and that was that was

the hardest thing. Like we actually did an interview with A with JV and I kind of asked them, you know, what's what's it like to work with all these different ips, and like everybody you know wants their ips in

it. But they don't want them to interact, right, Uh, you know they don't want you know, Ray from Star Wars hanging out with you know, Elsa from That's exactly what the story says that, Like, yeah, they were basically forbidden to have like a main story mode where you could just like, especially if you've got a bunch of figures left over from the old game and you can't take them into the main mode of the new game, Like that's a like basically you could only take them into toy box,

which is not you know what, if Sorrow was there, would that help? I don't think that would help anything. I wonder if Nintendo has to put up with this type shit when they do like Smash Brothers. It's like, oh, well, you can have solid Snake, but he can't talk to Yoshi like everyone well known. Yeah yeah, Smack Brothers is the utopian melting pot of yeah, dumb character mashups like that. Likes all equally stupid.

Most of those came from Nintendo proper, right, I mean, I mean Final Fantasy Care some CAPCOMs and there I feel like the powers on the other side of that relationship, whereas they're bringing in games into a Nintendo property, whereas like Man Star Wars can do whatever they want. Yeah, yeah, and Marvel and yeah, these are huge, huge things. Yeah, I'm sucking Konami doesn't even make games. Pale in the next one was a snake wasn't in the most recent smash. No, he was just Okay,

yeah, that'll that'll never happen again. Yeah, that's kind of a bummer to read for really people that were into Infinity. It sounds like they were moving in the direction people wanted it to go in terms of like you know, you and old figures for new stuff. Yeah, and just like super surprising. And then from a consumer standpoint, and it seemed like they had you know, the biggest like mark a share. You know, it's like from like Skylanders, you know, but Skylanders was geared towards a much like

younger age I think, Yeah, I go to yeah as well. Yeah, I'm just wow. Yeah, like some of that inhere, some of the quotes in this, Yeah, it's like, you know, it's it wasn't you know, it was making money. It wasn't making like the kind of astronomical profit that Disney wanted. But it's not like it was an abject failure, you know, like they kind of pulled the rug out from under

it. I didn't expect it to last this long, I guess to someone who doesn't understand business too much, like if something is profitable in any margin, why would I mean, I'm sure there's a reason for it, I just don't know what it is. Like, why would you say you're not making enough? Person? It's all about return on investment, you know.

It's like shareholders look at that and say, like, well, you're getting you're getting X out of what you're putting into this, But what if you could you could be getting five x out of what if you use these resources to those same resources into something else. So in terms of their video more and in terms of their video game business, they've always licensed out their stuff.

So this is basically a way of like, look if we're spending all this time and resources trying to make these games in house, and like Infinity

was one of the few things Disney we're doing in house. They licensed out everything from their mobile stuff to to you know, look at the Lego Lego Star Wars stuff, the battle Front all right, completely like battle Front to come out and obviously had a mastic success just before them like actually sold ten you know, probably the millions and fourteen, right, it's crazy number of coffees a battle So if you're doing dash and I mean, they could probably

license the stuff out to Lago or something like. I mean they have they're in this Toys to Life space the Star Wars stuff they don't have, so maybe that's a way of getting that in there. But yeah, you know, somewhere somebody said, hey, we can probably just you know, I don't know, figure it out some other way. It's so sad though a lot of people. It's unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, conduless to the three hundred or so people that they said, we'll lose their jobs, yeah,

over the stuff such as the video game industry, I guess. Yeah. It kind of drove the point home because there was an EA earning call the same day or was it the next day. It was right around the same time last week, where yeah, they mentioned that battle Front had done like these enormous numbers, and it's like, you know, that's a low risk thing for Disney to do, just to license their stuff Outlet just make a bunch of money on something they don't have to do anything on. Speaking of

kind yeah, I probably do that. Yes, and I guess Disney's Chinko Machines pulling out of the three now makes on more sense as well. Yes, yes, absolutely so, Yeah, that's uh that ya rings call happened. Not a whole lot of huge news out of that. There will be, it's vague. There's there will be a new Battlefront of some sort next year in twenty seventeen with quote bigger and better worlds. But they didn't come out and say Battlefront two. So maybe it's not a Star Wars Battlefront.

Oh they can't. Yeah, Lord of the Rings Battlefront go, No, you want to be Treebeard? Actually I could, I could. Maybe I could maybe get into the idea of Battlefront as they catch all term for, like we're gonna make a dumb deathmatch game out of this unlikely property, either Scooby Doo battle ye, like here's Harry Potter battle Front or whatever. Two Broke Girls Front. I know, I know a guy they could talk to

you, World War one. That's two real Star Trek Battlefront beautiful. Yeah, So I think I think I saw elsewhere that I think they're gonna start drawing from the new movies in this next Battlefront thing. But I don't know if that's a full sequel or a giant expansion or who knows they I don't know if there's a delay or if this was already known or what. But there there's gonna be no NBA Live this year. It was coming out early

next year instead, and they're dropping the year number from it. It's just going to be called NBA Live. How many years have they been trying to reboot? God like you sucked or not come out for like the last seven years, hasn't it? And there was like that crazy NBA Elite situation where that ever came out. Yeah, they recalled it like yeah, manufact it and then recall it like a demo went live and it was so fucked up or something like just throwing the towel at some point. You're not good at

basketball games apparently. Yeah. Well, the NBA Live will be out early next year. So I hear it. What happens? I hear Steph Cary broke the game recently as well. Yeah, starts up sounds like an ongoing process. I heard him in lebron or shooting now. Oh yeah, yeah, who's the best of all time? Yeah? I guess, Uh, let's see looks funny. Yeah, I mean he jammed from space. You can't can't get much higher than that. Uh, let's see, no new need for speed game this year? Great, says Jeff when I said in

slack is there anything else from EA earnings everybody cares about? We have satiated, that's noteworthy. The need has been and then uh, and then lastly, I don't know if I think this may have been floating around already, but maybe the earnings call kind of confirmed it or whatever. But the uh, the Visceral Star Wars game that Amy Hinnig is working on is not coming out until twenty eighteen acording to this year, which yeah, like, well

they did, but that's like that's like nineteen months away. It's a long time. She's what we could allow. Huh. Well, I'm assuming that game will come out on the first of January and twenty eighteen. But yes,

you're right. Isn't it crazy talking about Uncharted through the lens of like with all the stuff that happened during this development and like all the stuff about Amy Hannig leaving as well, I mean how they like basically rebooted the game and totally yeah, and it's it turns out it's probably the best story. And yeah, I mean, you know, no, no disrespect to her whatso, no, not at all. Obviously she pretty much made the series what it is. But yeah, super super curious to see that game that

she's working on. There that's gotta hit out of the EA stuff. Not a whole lot of like big big bangers, but they expect meres edged this out twenty minute copies. They don't think they mentioned that one. I don't

know how that's gonna grow. Yeah, that's that soon, right, Yeah, I think we all realized today that it's like, oh that is out just stront like Home Front was a huge like oh god, right, that's still a game and that's who's publishing Deep Silver, Deep Silver okay right, yeah, Austin is playing that now we didn't we don't have it in here, but that is coming out this week. I guess the Beast Cast will

have some impressions that this week. Let's see. Not a whole lot else going on last since last week, but the two ds is eighty bucks now eybody, Wow, that's all right. I'm always surprised when I see one of those in the wild. Yeah, although it usually is you know, kind of the age range that I think they marketed it towards. You know, it's usually like a ten year old kid old one, yeah, might

buy on eighty bucks. Yeah yeah, that's I mean, that's you know, that's a pretty pretty cheap buy in for like a huge library of pretty good un it's still shaped like a cheese wedge. Yeah, it's the same

same design. Okay, it's just like a plane. Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah, we like lack of portability would kind of trip me up on that, but I mean I get it as like if you're a parent that doesn't want your kid to have something with hinges that they can break in hand for whatever, it's like, oh, here's sure, yeah wedge thing. Yeah, the or they don't want their eyes to cross, like the jerk, all right, right, the jerk. Yeah, Steve Martin,

here's movie. No, he's not a classic, he's an American comedy classic. I'm a rock sane. That's where my Steve Martin comes in. Now, Yeah, had a big nose. Hilarious. That just robs I mean, doesn't it? Isn't it? U? All right? That's all I got for news. It's kind of a slow weak other than the Disney stuff. Let's move on to emails. See Jason moving his hands and the mixer in advances some some fucking production right there. It's reading reading the temperature in

the room on BombCast at giant bomb dot com. I have pulled some emails. Let's read a few. Uh, John in Pasadena. If Elon Musk's hyper loop between San Francisco and LA actually happens and there's an affordable thirty minute option for you guys to get down to E three, do you think you'd all take it? Yes, or but some of you still prefer the traditional

fun and convenience of the drive down. Also, assuming it's not cost prohibitive, do you think you'd actually end up going down more frequently to LA for work or otherwise. I've been reading up on that thing recently, and I get bummed out of how long it's going to be until it's ready, because I want to take that thing everywhere. Yeah, like that thing is super It's like a newmatic tube at the at the bank or whatever. I want to ride in that exclusively. And self driving cars, yeah, well,

self driving cars are happening. That's that's yeah, that's a foregone conclusion that will arrive. I don't know. I don't know, We'll see a couple of years. What self driving cars like, how it's getting there? Don't How long will it be until I can I guess we can buy them? Or is it gonna be like a service? I mean there are some on the road right now. Tesla straight up put out a firmware update for some

of the cars that added self driving to it. Yeah, well, how long until Okay, I'm at a bar and I want to get home and I can just get in a cart instead of an uber you get like, yeah, what's the robotic cab operator from two shows up? The Johnny cab? Are we talking about like three five years? Don't No, I don't know. I don't know that sounds. I've definitely estimates like five, like ten years or something. Yeah, and you could own your own private one

and it would just type. So Yeah, it's like babile, isn't isn't isn't some kind of legislation gonna happen. Have to happen at some point, I'm sure a lot. Yes, Yeah, once those things actually go wide, it's a wonderful feature. Yeah, Like they ran some hyperloop test last week. It was successful. But then I looked at it and apparently that test was only like a tenth of the speed that the actual thing needs to

go. Yeah, they did that in Texas, right, Like they built like a little like test course, I think something in Vegas something just to prove that like the tech worked or whatever. Yeah, was it at a to Vegas. They said they could do it in twenty minutes or something etimes really because you're going I didn't know what the top speed was. H Yeah, like this test they did zero to sixty and like one you don't hit Enny on the rail doing the first one, and I was going off the

rails. Is gonna make for some some YouTube because it's isn't it Maglev? I thought it like doesn't actually it's into contact the rail. I don't know, Yeah, it doesn't contact anything. How it can go so fast? Right? Wow? But the proverbial pay are you gonna be able to like sit up in that thing? You're gonna have to light down flat the concept look like you're in like one of those like recliners. It's going back, but your legs are kind of bent, like you know those mattresses were can

press a button and it folds up. It's like the halfway point is what it looks like. Okay, so it's not like a lose you or anything like that. You don't need to slining, but your legs are also up, but then they're bent down soling. Okay, sure, uh sounds they did that in a James Bond movie. Sent a guy from one place to another in in a in a like an oil an oil line or something. I think it was a Dalton one. This guy, I don't know. Let me know when you get there, Dan, Okay, Yeah, is

there a tell Del Taco on board? Oh? I don't think. I don't think you want to eat Del Taco with seven hundred miles an hour. I can don't take take my word for this or on this. I'll be the Neil Armstrong of that boy, not jos Bettle Grande everywhere. Oh no, del Taco. I don't know what there is. It's called's one one giant leap for dance. Colin. Yeah, uh to answer John, And Pasadena's another question. I tried to avoid La whenever possible. Oh yes,

yeah, outside of the three, it's the worst city. It is actually the worst city. I think. I don't mind this, it's interesting. So it's okay for about a week out of the year. I mean the experience of La we have sucks because it's like just South figaroa hotel to a convention center. Yeah, God, Venice, I lived there for four years. I'm good and your phil Although I lived in my own bubble. It was a bubble within a bubble, all right, Yeah, college town,

Oh fair enough. Yeah, it's just it's getting around more than anything. Yeah, that does it to me? Just the people try not to generalize too much about that, but there is there is an element of that. Yes, yeah, I mean, dude, you even San Francisco. Yeah, oh I know. Yeah, people here suck too. Maybe it's a California problem right now? Was there once? Uh? Let's see. How about Gabe from Toledo, Ohio. I'm very excited about the upcoming live streams

of the bomb cast as part of this. Have you guys considered live call ins to the show? What could possibly go wrong? Yes, we have considered that idea, but then we considered what could go wrong? Dismissed it summarily. No, we we've talked about that stuff, but yeah, I don't think it would never be as simple as just hey, we're gonna have a phone here and you can call it like that is a recipe for disaster. Yeah, we did probably have to bring somebody in to monitor them.

Yeah, we need to screen them as well, because go wrong a call screeners sounds so professional, Yeah, but required for something like that, Like we had BEFO we're doing. We did that back at Whiskey. We had it. That wasn't their job. We just grabbed. I was just say, we're gonna have to get Dave's sister back in here, answer the phone, like you know, whoever was people? I think, can you help

us make sure this person isn't a lunatic. I used to work at a sports TV station and we had a live call in show once and it was about like just local Kansas City sports and stuff, and we had a Kansas City chief on. I can't remember what his name was. I think he was kind of a lower on the totem pool guy, but he was dating one of our anchor ladies. But that was like kind of a you know,

low key thing. They didn't really publicize it. And so it's a live call in show and we had no delay or anything like that, and uh, so this guy calls in. He was like, yeah, I got a question. No, you know, I heard a rumor going around town that you two were fucking around. And then she they were both on the a. Yeah, she was like interviewing him, not as like hey, I'm your girlfriend, but so she looks like deer in the headlights completely

and he thought they were talking about like the Chiefs defense. He's like, no, I don't think we I wouldn't put it that way. I think we got a good team, we got some good leadership, we got it. She's just like a got got got Oh you were in the room for this was in the control room. Man. That was not as bad as the Jared Allen, the Jared Allen hot sauce incident. You know Jared Allen.

So he started this goddamn restaurant in Kansas City called Club sixty nine because his number was sixty nine, and the commercials and suffer like wind him dying, I'm sixty nine him And so he's just a huge dipshit like Jared Allen's a giant. Didn't claim to fame. He was. He was on the Vikings last I remember, but then before that, he's on the Chiefs. What is it? What is it with Kansas City sports figures being giant asshot? I don't know, okay, but so yeah, I'm in the control

room. This is a live thing, and our anchor who's there kind of hosting the show with Jared Allen it's from Club sixty nine or whatever, and they had like, it's like, okay, we've got four tickets here we're gonna give away for the Chiefs game coming up this Sunday, And so we're gonna do a call in trivia thing and Jared Allen, I don't know if he's fucking drunk or what. He's like, No, we gotta do something

hilarious, like some jackass thing to give away these tickets. And the anchors like, oh, well, we've got the trivia ready to go here Jared, He's like no, let's like, uh okay, whoever we'll put this hot sauce in their eyes gets this ticket. And some drunk girl runs up on live TV and like pours this hot sauce and rapaul and just splatts it in her eyes like and like, Jared Allen's cracking up, and they had to give her the tickets. We kind of away from the rush to the

hospital. Why did you should have a tape delay? Why did you leave that job? Man? This episode plenty of reasons. Oh boy, uh, Kansas is great. He's been there. It's great. It's just off the rails twenty four or seven. Mental you used to have very specific look at you saw that the record tour of it. Y yeah, today, answer this guy's question, Jeffill. Jeff will often talk fondly about the like the voicemails from the hot spots way back in the day, Like you call

that thing? Oh yeah, I got on a couple of times. I called it in a bunch of times. There was I actually do remember a live one at some stage. It might have been game Spot or I might be super early Giant Bomb because Vinnie was the was the screen screener, and because I guess I was a user for a long time, so you knew I wasn't gonna be a total jark on it. But yeah, I remember like like like one thirty in the morning, probably Ireland time, like quivering

Irish voice talking to it was Ryan and Jeff I think about something. So they did it. One might okay for some charity thing or something, But yeah, emailing in MP three's. I mean that's a pretty big caught off technically for a lot of people as well. I think if we were to do it, we would have an actual phone number, right yeah, oh yeah, we would have to be that dumb. Jeff thinks we might still have that phone number from the hot spot, like that's probably still within possession

of the company, So we might look into that. I don't know, Uh, you know, we're not gonna We're not gonna do anything so crazy that it like jacks up the audio version of this thing or whatever, like in terms of playing around with the live format, but we got some ideas. I'll go as far as it saves. We're actively looking into it. Okay with that, all right, that's that's the only teaser you're gonna get.

That sounds good. Uh, let's see Ben from San Diego that sorry, that is a concern though, when you go to a video podcast like messing up this the format of the show totally. Yeah, I mean this thing we are very cognizant of that, and things still has to work as an audio only show. Yeah, it is. That is why, well, that is why we did not put a program feed in this room.

So that we can't see which camera is live not only or that or just obsessively like seeing trying to find out what you look like or like you know, or or even worse, having like a feed of the live chat and here. Yeah, utterly disastrous. Yes that too for the quality of show. And that would that would just be distracting, and yeah that that is not going to happen so effectively. It is like, uh, we have behind the scenes. We have been practicing doing the live video for the past

couple of weeks. Yes, yes, there are and ordered video podcasts. Hopefully we'll never see the live Yeah, well it didn't do my hair, yeah, and so and we've been using this room audio only for ever since we've been next. Absolutely the goal is to you know, carry on as usual. Yes, there happen to be some cameras here and stuff. That

is a challenge I can appreciate considering what we do in the lobby. Yeah, you guys will move some more of a podcast ish kind of for we came the other way, which was like kind of required when you've gone, because we bring on people who aren't in front of camera a lot of the time. They were like editors who also bring on our microphones. Thank you

so much for I really appreciate it. So I was like, yeah, I'm trying to break away from Nash because you have this you know, projector presentee sort of vibe when you especially when we had the couch the way we had it with people around in front of camera. So yeah, that was like creating like the intimate setting is just so important and people facing each other, yes, that sort of chats. Indeed, God speed, gentlemen.

It's a tough video production problem to solve. Everybody's looking at each other. Fun though, Yeah, it's like it's all fun. All that sounds cool. Thank you guys, do a good job. Thanks all right. Ben from San Diego so to No announced a few weeks ago that the New Zelda would be the only game at their E three booth. What I'm wondering is which version are they going to show. If they show the WEU version, they will be premiering the game on defunct, underpowered hardware and could potentially give

a bad first impression. If they show the NX version, however, not only would the game footage have to show at least some of the nx's features, but they would also have to bring some form of an NX prototype to the show. Which scenario do you think is more like devin it, I don't think it. We I think yeah, I think it will be the WEU Yeah, but you're right, I mean, yeah, they would be keeping it could be PC's under a constant, you know, in a podium

right with what is the controller though? That's the thing. Yeah, like there's a Xbox three sixty. I think they've already confirmed this no matter what, they are not cheaping. Yeah, anyway, they said flat out already that, yeah, the NX would not be there in any capacity, so it'll be has to be the Wuvers. Yeah. But then that that raises

the question of like how different are these versions actually going to be? You know, if they're willing to look at Twilight Princess, they're willing to debut the game on the wear, Yeah, exactly, Like I'm not expecting to be that different, right, or you say it'll look way better and then your imagination fills in the rest. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, how many we use are they're out there? Well, they sell like twelve million of those things or something that's like or twelve I think. I

mean if that thing's coming out on both systems. I've got one, three, three of those twelve. Uh, you know they're go they're gonna want to sell a bunch of the WU version to WEU owners, right like they're not going to sell millions of an x is on day one, you know,

like they've got to sell that game to an install base. Yeah, they don't want to look like they are completely forgetting about They're not xboxing, right you although, I mean, you know that'll be that'll be basically the last game they put out that have they said that it's going to be a launch title for the NX well, because we may have a situation where this comes out. I thought they said it was shipping simultaneous, Okay, yeah, mark for both systems, I think, right, yeah, so it

is like literally a Twilight Princess situation, right yeah? Or actually the GameCube version of that come out at the same time or was it after? I think it was this oh you know what, maybe it was like if it was after, I think it was like a couple of weeks, right, it wasn't it was a lot. I think it was like not only like just a little bit after, but also like they didn't make that mini Like I remember the GameCube version of that game was like hard to find it was.

Yeah, huh, it's it's a weird It might have been December. It's a weird thing for them to do twice. Yeah, they're a weird company. Yes, that is, that is for sure. Uh. David from Calgary writes in about that poop question from last Oh god, I missed this. Yeah, yeah, would you definitely missed out? Would you think I think it was? I think it was. Would you touch poop for twenty dollars? Yeah, oh you were here. You can do it for free every day. I think I can get twenty dollars every time I touch

ship. That'd be great. David from Calgary writes in something that he says has always stuck with him from his engineering university days. Listening to your earlier podcast segment about touching poop, I was reminded of a conversation we had with our engineering friend who now works at NASA. Her title is actually Mission Controller Wow. At the time, we were sitting around and playing football rather than studying for finals, when the topic of smelling poop came up somehow, and

she pointed out an obvious but horrifying point about the issue. You know, smelling something, this is this is quote. You know, smelling something is a heck of a lot worse than seeing something. See something, you just have to have a bunch of photons lighting up cones and rods in your eyes. But in order to smell something, parts of it have to literally reach into and deposit physically into your nose, and then as part of that chemical

reaction, some of those particles then become part of your body. Oh god, wait, we actually had this discussion Dan on an episode of Middle You're scanling, that doesn't surprise me. So by that logic, if I were to fart and you guys were like, oh, that's a stinky fart, don't you guys would be part my farts at that point, like your atomic makeup would very personally infinitely small part of this would but it would cycle out.

I don't want to finish that sentence. It would it would cycle out of your your person at some point, at some point, Like it's not permanently. It's not like a tattoo like my Parson's part of you forever. I mean, we're already made of the farts of everyone who's lived before. That's true. So I literally passed the sewage truck this morning and had the thought that if I was trying to not breathe, and I smelt it, and I thought, is this going to be in my body for like weeks?

Now? Can I get rid of the smell? It's just going to be lingering in there. I think there was a good tenth of a mile during beta breakers where I was farting every step. Did you talk about before after? Did you do your do your two plates of chicken? Off? Right over? Whatever it was? What was your pre what was your night? What was your rights for the night before? I watched Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Juan Me, my girlfriend and Tim Terry.

We ate two full new these are all new boxes and things. Two full things of pringles, one full thing of cheese it white cheddar grooves, one full big box of cinnamon powdered doughnuts, and I think two or three pints of Ben and Jerry's. This this was your pre race regimen? Yes, good God? And also beer. Wow, that's impressive. I mean you burn calories on runs. You gotta yeah, yeah, you gotta put

them in burned clean calories or something that I don't know. That was after going to the Tennessee Grill and eating a bunch of shitty food there, good shitty. Here's the Tennessee Grill. It's not terrible down the sunset. It's a good, unpretentious diner, greasy spoon plays great. It's good stuff. Good, yeah, Tennessee. Williams. Yes, good stuff. Matt from Illinois right soon says in Capcom's latest fiscal report, it was brought up that

quote. We also possess vast library of content in which there remains multiple IP that have not yet been utilized to their full potential. These issues we will handle moving forward. I totally did not see that, but I'll take his word for it. Jason, I don't recall Capcom fan Capcom fan follow their financials or anything, but I don't know the man. I want to rescue Rangers. Let's bring so yeah. So yeah, that's that's basically his question.

He says. My question to you is one, what if any, what if any Capcom owned ips would you like to see brought back or further further utilized to their potential? Two? Do you think there could be any chance that Capcom would take a chance on a new Beautiful Joe game. Nah. No, those were awesome, but I just don't think they ever sold that much, I think, which is a shame. They were. Yeah, they were real good. But Dino Crisis Okay, all right, the

third game was real bad. It's real bad. They should make Resident Evil good again. M I don't disagree with you. I also don't know that it's within their power to do that about a corpse. It could be a return to form. I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. Oh man, every every attempt at bringing back Final Fight has just been sad. Street Wise, Yeah, it's terrible lost planet, and we don't want lost no, no, no, dark Void. That was also not great.

Command on Section Z. Anybody that street Fighter platformer? Really? What was that street Fighter twenty ten? The Final Fight? I think so? Yeah? Puzzle Fighter? Yeah, actually, Chippendale would be way out there. Chippendale and puzzle Fighter. It might be my actual two choices that would I would love a new puzzle Fighter Trojan Okay, yeah, that's not bad, all right? Yes, best answer, Maximo, Just one pile of rum for your mouth and my mouth. Ghosts and goblins, I mean Dead Rising

man. Yeah, I like three. I don't know how well three did, but I would Three's good. It was a good game. It was a real launch title. Yeah, yeah, but I actually thought it was like more fully featured than you expect for a launch title. It felt like a real video game to me. My worry was it looked too serious and those early trailers, but it was still goofy as super tongue and cheek for sure. Yeah. I don't know. I can't come up with much else

that they're sitting on that. Yeah, I don't know where like the license is line to mean perfect, but you know, it's like maybe another comedy might be something, but like you know, that's like a beautiful Joe situation where like people that played it love it, but it didn't sell that much. Yeah, and also the people who created that are long gone at this point, surprising. What's that Dead Rising? Yeah? Yeah, I would

have said this Wikipedia page here, I would have said duck Tails. But remember when everyone got super excited when they announced that duck Tails, and then it came out and everyone's like, no, we're good. I don't think it wasn't terrible. It wasn't bad, but like it came out and just like no fanfare whatsoever, like no one gave it once it was actually out. Yeah, you're right, yep, that totally happened. I don't see anything else on there. Drew on a Musha I guess, or Dragons Dog

One Dream. Yeah, dragons Dog most seems like a game that did not fulfill its potential, like everybody talks about like, oh, there's something really good there if they just expanded on it was that one watt, Well, we'll see one dream Godanda pretty soon, Godhand. Wasn't godhand them? Yes, yeah, there we go. But that was the published Flock Flock Flock, the River Flock, the cheap game with the UFOs weir Cheap. Yeah, there was a bunch of those came out all at the same time.

I got that out launch and have never fired it up. It's fun. I thought it looked ghost to Trick. Oh yeah that was Yeah, that really popular in something. It's adventure gamy. It's not mean, it's not exactly like but but they're both kind of adventure game type. Never played that thing. Yeah, it's good fun? Is it only three dys yessation Vita as well? Fun game, all right, Dustin from Saskatchewan writes in question targeted to Dan or at least I am targeting in it Dad. Okay,

this is he dustin the dresses to everybody. What are your thoughts on people who brush their teeth at work and shared work bathrooms. I'm currently in a bathroom at work, sitting in a stall, pooping and writing this email thanks, while a guy a few feet away brushes his teeth. I understand that I'm doing the dirty or of the two acts, but somehow I also feel like he's somehow grosser for it. What do you guys think? I feel like it would be more acceptable if it was a single person bathroom he could

lock everyone else out of. Yeah, he's brushing those poop particles directly into his There was a MythBusters about that. It's it's not bad. Uh. Yeah, We've got some of those single person bathrooms here where, so I don't think brushing your teeth would be a big deal there. I don't hate

it when people do it in the multi one. I hate it when people when I go to the gym in the morning, they fucking sit there with a tower around their waist and they're naked otherwise and they're doing all their shaving. They've got like a fucking blender and making a protein shape. They're shaving and brushing their keith and all this shit like they're doing their whole morning routine at the gym. And it's like, I just want to watch my hands

real quick after that poop. Let me get past all your ship here. But you're probably asking me as the flossing thing, right, yes, yeah, yeah, that was yes that I stand by. You were doing that today. I did that daily flossing at your desk. I can't I can't get behind it, I ask my girlfriend. Am I crazy? I hate to call you out in a public forum here, Oh go ahead, It's funny. We did it on a fucking panel once. It's not like I'm flicking stuff. It's not like food is flying out of my mouth. If

you are. If I can, it goes on my tongue and then I swallow him. That guy's not getting shaving cream on you, but his ship's taken up a bunch of space. And the only thing separating me and is dong is a towel. That's a totally different thing. I'm fully clothed and I'm flosting at my desk, totally different things. I mean, technically is only like two layers, I guess, But my pants aren't just gonna fall off while I'm flossing. You never know. I mean, it isn't more

proof articles on your home toothbrush because that sits there all day. Particles on a tooth brush, no fansac you know, brush your teeth on the toilet. I don't brush your teeth on the toilet, No, No two for one, you brush brush you teeth and shower a lot of time? No, yeah, let's they have a lot of time in the shower for brush teeth in the shower. I often brush in the show. Yeah, toothpasted in there? How many times you apply toothpaste to your toothbrush once done in

the shower? Suppose like a brush with Maybe you have shampoos. I often floss on the shower for particles that go flying everywhere. Flossing vigorously, me too, But it just goes on your goddamn tongue or the roof of your mouth. Would you ever see anything fly out of my mouth? Call me out right then, I'm not you know not, you know, it's worse than that. People clipping their nails on the bus. I've never seen that. But oh yeah, that sounds fucked up. I can't get behind that.

That sounds gross. That has happened multiple times, super gross. Can't do it? Like what type of people? Uh, I don't know in this people are like kids are like adults. Okay, not wearing suits, Okay, Clevener's toes. That's pretty nasty. Fingers, I haven't seen the fingers. Fingers. I can't remember who, but somebody used to clip their nails here. No, somebody did that. I can't remember who it was. You never get them. They always fly off, always always lose one.

You can do it over a trash can, and like nine of them are gonna go flying. Yeah, that's the truth. That's disgusting. I walk into my shower to do it, even if I'm fully closed. Yeah, just to the nails, just just to make sure. Yes, Sometimes I hang in the airlock. Sometimes I hang my hands out the window because it just goes down. Seriously, the backyards. You can't control the angle though. What if they bounce back into the window then whatever, It's still

less than if I try to do it over a trash can. I think the only solution is to go all the way out to the landfill and stand in the middle of the garbage and do it there, because then let's go swim in the ocean and do it there. You go, just do what I do. Use your use your teeth, baby. Yeah, yeah, I think people doing that, like are your teeth even? That's strong. I've tried to do it. I don't know how people do it. You get it on the you get the corner, and then you tear it technic.

That sounds like it would just make it so jagged so it gets caught on like clothing and stuff like that. Does not do that sometimes, Yeah, there's a scratch and he's sucking dirt and stuff onto they want to put that near mouth. It's poop. It's true, there was probably poop. Projects points build up yourmmune systems. Yeah, just just like licking the baby. Don't think the baby probably not. Uh, let's see shake it. Don't do that either. No, no, no, we've been over this.

Carson from Maryland. I'm playing through Uncharted four right now, but I haven't been able to play the New tomb Raider yet. How does Uncharted four compare to it? It's they're pretty different. Different. I can see why people would want to compare the two three person tomb rating action treasury stuff, but I don't know. Like when I remember Woman Charted first became a thing, it just felt like, oh, they made their own off brand tomb Rador game. Yeah yeah, like I get dude, if you will,

sure, I feel like I'm charted. Especially this one is way more story focused than tomb Raiders, Like tomb Raders has its cut scenes and stories, like I don't remember ever giving a ship. The new one had a pretty pretty sand good story component. I played through that like four or five months ago when it came out on PC, and I'm trying to think of one thing. There's a guy with glasses and maybe a shipwreck. Yeah, there's like a secret of immortality and a hidden city and Siberia Creek. Man,

I don't remember there was snow. I remember, yeah, yeah, I thought, well it was better than I expected. I'll put it that way. And I don't remember anything, but I think I'll remember I charted for is for a while, like yeah, so yeah, I think there's way more of a narrative. I think it's more linear, you know, like there are some Yeah, it's per linear yeah, I mean there were those bigger areas we were driving around and stuff where it's a little more open,

but the new Tomb Raider felt much more open than not totally. Yeah, good on them for for you know, putting their own I was gonna say, making a different kind of game, but you know, it's it's at its core kind of the same kind of game. You know, you're still climbing up sides of cliffs and doing some shooting and stuff, but like areas, it has a different feel to it. For sure. It's all on locks and weapons crafting and like side side mission type stuff. And yeah,

like you said, there's just kind of big open areas. And I I think Rise of the Team Raider is a more interesting game started four Constant really, I just totally I really liked that game too, and and just you know, more variety and more interesting unexpected stuff than like, nothing compares to the Spectacle and and Charted for like it's it's it is like, but there's some pretty good spectacle and yeah, yeah for sure, but but again they

found a different angle and I think I liked that control better and just the gameplay and upgraating stuff. Yeah, yeah, but I found that that stuff was more engaging to me for sure. Uh. Let's see Eddie from Maine. So apparently when one does a Google search of street Overlord, the third search suggestion after Street Overlord Strong and Street Overlord eBay is stree Overlord giant bomb. So how does it feel to be leading the charge on street Overlord been

associated with street Overlords? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're probably you're definitely now, yes, now that I don't remember what you're talking about, you right about that? If I wonder if they're giving the full image when they're doing this, if copy, if copyright infringing dick pills is the worst thing that we are now associated with, I think that we will risk pretty easily. I'm rather proud of it, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah, it took a lot of work to get here. Yeah for sure, we've

Yes, we did some Muslin. Yes, we've been. We've been building that brand recognition from months. Now it's finally off. I should yes. Yeah. Half the reason I keep pulling these emails is because I like saying the word street. It's so dumb. I don't know where that came from. Let's see Dave from Colorado wonders if we want to weigh in on the

upcoming San Francisco soda tacks ballot issue. What what? I shit? I didn't look it up because I mean I am I am broadly familiar with it that I didn't look it up because I figured this would be more for me. I mean, I guess I could guess what it is. You can you can you can definitely guess, or I could just pull it up right now. They taxing soda? I mean, yeah, I think that's the gist of it is is uh yeah proposal. I wonder if that San Francisco

soda taxing. I mean, there's twenty five cents in this office in the minorn wash, right, have no miner wash? Yeah, And if you go through do you ever do that prime now thing where they deliver the groceries to you? Yeah, it's fucking three dollars for any twelve pack of soda. So I always just were like twelve twelve packs and get literally hundreds of sodas brought up to my apartment, like build a table out of those things or something. Seriously, like if it's this huge part of the corner of

my kitchen is just you know, hundreds of sodas. Did they have to carry them up? Uh? They do? And sometimes I feel bad, like well, like r what yeah you tip them? Yeah? But yeah, sometimes it'll be like pouring rain outside and it's like some twenty year old girl like carrying up a million things, like all right, I'll go down there and help. Yeah, like that's do you know if they're are they like not actually task rabbitting with that service? But is that generally how those

deliveries happen? What do you mean? I think they imagine Amazon? Are those like contracted they work for Amazon? Yeah, Amazon employees. Yeah, the Bays horror Baby, where's the place down by the dog patch? They've got a huge like warehouse there, and so they like every you can track the delivery and it always starts from that second baby or whatever place. Yeah.

I figured they were just kind of exploiting cheap contracts labor. Right now, they're they're especial like Amazon Prime employees like everybody else in the sharing economy. But they get tips, yeah, yeah, because that's included like in the total. So I threw a bunch of stuff in a cart and apparently you've got to get like you know, twenty dollars worth stuff. But then my final total would like bottling fees and tips and stuff, is like an

additional ten dollars. And at that point I was like, okay, but if this isn't worth it, but but especially if you, like you don't have a car, like my option if I want one hundred and fifty sodas is I walk down to Safeway and how the hell do I carry home? Imagine the beautiful future when this is all done by tipless drones just carrying like thirty six cans of beer. I'm up for that across like the sky and you just shoot them down down. I got excited that I saw my first

drone on Beta Breakers. There's a drone flying above the park and I was like, oh cool, that's an actual drone. First drone you've seen. Yeah, and you live in San Francisco. Yeah, I got excited. I mean we've had them in the office. Oh yeah, A little like, okay, what point is it not just an RC helicopter? Though? I see That's why I great angry at these things because these have been around for years. Yeah, Dan, you had one? I did, Oh,

the one that came with call of duty. That's that's this thing was way the fuck up there. Control helicopters look way more awesome than these things. Okay, it's harder to keep in the air. Wind messes with them way worse. I've broken so many remote control licopters, that's true, that's terrible. I think. I think the actual best thing the drones have been used for is like news reporting, Like they've sent drones into like kind of destroyed, bombed out urban areas and Syria. Yeah, here is the like

video. It's a way to get you know, like some meaningful footage without putting camera people at risk and stuff like even for even camera people in domestically are way at risk because they don't fly high enough to be able to land the helicopters if the roters go because there's that technique you can do. You should know about this if you're like high enough. But they only fly like five hundred meters. They're not thought high off the ground. So if there's

ever like a technical problem. Ty Roush for video producer for games, but I used to work as a camera for some Texas at TV station, and he says, if one of those, if one of those goes down, they're done because they just don't have enough time to like fix it. So news helicopters, news helicopters. Alright, that's yikes, that's rough, all right. Two cents per ounce is the proposed soda tax. Okay, I don't drink soda, so I don't care. I stop drinking souta last month.

Yeah, it's great at twelve etnesota twenty five cents something like that. Is that a thing that's going through or is that something that's being debated. Looks like it's coming back up for vote. It was defeated once. Why is it a hampening to stop people drinking sodas? Are my energy drinks? Is gonna be okay to get more tax saw that shit about it. They're not going to allow fucking candy and chips and stuff in San Francisco ending machines

on like official like official state buildings and stuff. They can't have like kit cats and stuff. It has to be fucking salads or whatever. I think I think to get too political, but I think the thinking is that people who drink a lot of soda are unhealthy and thus attacks on the healthcare system. Yeah, so tax to offset that, I mean, yeah, you guys have a massive, like the biggest obesity problem. You guys, what is it you? Maybe? How long have you been here? Two and

a half years? I did, Yeah, I see we're doing the parts you like. You do have a massive problem in that area, certainly, and a massive problem. That's a good point. Damn all right, problems inism. We kick your ass at that. They're letting lebricorns fucking everywhere. There's your poorly informed political minute, yes on your podcast. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be exactly sixty seconds long, because that's all anybody can tolerate.

I mean, sorry, uh, we kind of covered this when we were talking about Doom already, but I pulled an email from Allen in Philadelphia asking about I'll just read it and if you guys have anything else to say now that, against all odds, Bethesda has successfully made Wolfenstein and Doom relevant again. Is it time for Quake to come back? Does it development? Or does another studio take the reins? Like I kind of got last time that happened that they gave a dude in their studio. I didn't work out

too well? What quick four? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, how far? It was like a different I guess it wasn't once Bear and I got and yeah, comparity touched this, wait for it was just like a weird sequel to Quake two. Yeah, we're gonna jop your legs out in strogs and like space cyber zombie bullshit. I mean, Quake Live did not take off, Like that's it's weird because it ran that same time a really cool idea. Yeah I'm a little dope if I really liked it, but yeah,

it just didn't. I think there's a few people that still take it pretty seriously. Or they didn't shut it down. No, they changed the priceing model all the times it's free to play, and then it went to a charge based like thing, and I think it's it's on Steam now. It's not like web web based anymore. But I mean, I got. I got kind of embroiled into discussion on Twitter about this right before the podcast, and people are saying, like, what part of Quake do you even

reboot? You know, like because like Quake two is its own thing with the kind of the space zombie stuff, but then like what, like what the fuck is Quake one? Like that is the brown that is one of the biggest messes in terms of inspirations and like different aesthetics clashing and something good

was that. I know, I love it for that, but like medieval makes it's like partially medieval, it's somewhat love craft in there's like a bunch of weird futuristic like gothic looking stuff like metal And also if you read actually found the scans of an old PC gamer that I have still have a copy of my parents' house where it's like way before Quake came out and they were

still talking about it. It was like this Norse RPG that they were like it like they had all yeah, like when they were making Quake, they had all these grandiose designs on it being like a role playing game and you would have the Hammer of Thor and that would be like the gameplay would vollve around the hammer and all this ship. You can like find that article out there, and like the final game was like what was that? Total mess? Lovable mess. That's what I want to see rebooted. I want to

see a spiritual successor to the first Quake here. That'll buy us. Though, people that could watch the video podcast, we know that brads were in a quick game. Ah yeah, it seemed appropriate today that did I have a doomed question? Yeah? Do you see their butt holes? M they never really stay in one piece long enough to get under there and look to be honest. Yeah, what if you were NVR, Yeah, then you could really really get in there. Oh, you know what, there's a

model viewer. I unlocked the imp. Oh, but you know, the camera controls are kind of shitty. They don't really let you pan down under there, or if they do, do they turn off the model Like yeah, iff you zoom in long enough. John Romere's face blocks the butt. Okay, that's where it went. Uh, let's see question from Scott. Do you guys aside from Dan, really hate Mario Party or are you just doing a bit. If you really hate the game that much, then say

fuck you Dan, no more misery. I know it's a popular feature. But so we're endurance runs and you stopped those. Uh yeah, that last one. I will have meant that that last one, man was Yeah, that was that was rough. That was a true endurance test. Yeah, even for you. I still like it, but man, that was almost five hours of It was the longest one and the least fun one. Yeah, that was a wrong choice of map, yeah, yeah, which every one of my Twitter was like, Oh, the ice one is the best.

I can't believe I'm saying this, and it will never fucking happen. It will never fucking happen. If you're listening to this and you think this is a ray of hope, fuck you that I almost no, I'm not gonna say it. You want to go back and play the fair squarter map. I don't want to go back, but I wish we should. Wish. I wish we could do it over. I wish. I mean,

Brad, there's a lot of people out of the office this week. If you just want to do one on one and we check out, we can't do it without Jeff, like we would have to be a legit competition and internationally sanctioned Mario Party. Yeah, I don't know. I'm always gonna wonder what the default map in six was like. Once we run out of Mario Party games there everyone has a different map. So we go back for round two and we do different maps every time. Let's move on to the next

email, please. I actually remember playing Mario Party with my brother and sister and having a good time. I don't think we haven't played fifty turns. Yeah, yeah, I don't think we did either. Really, Yeah, I can see how it'd be a lot better doses. Somebody else emailed a video in that's just every mini game from Mario Party nine on YouTube, and that video has almost a hundred million views on it. Whoa, it's just every mini game end end, like an hour and a half one million.

Yeah, it's got like ninety seven million views on it. Yeah, just like fucking what happened here? That? Like what? And every other video on the channel has like four hundred VideA They were like, I pulled up a bunch of other Mario Party videos on that channel that have like two three thousand views on them, and here is this one mini game compilation. It's super confusing. It's the weirdest thing, all right. Uh. Last email comes in from Nick from of all places of Germany with some more fun facts

about the Apple River debauchery that we talked about last week. Dan, you said you'd spent some time on the Yeah, somebody there's Apple River and Apple Valley. Well it sounds like Apple Valley is the town okay, the one I went, oh wait, one, I guess, but there's Apple Valley Minnesota. You know same, Okay, Valley in Wisconsin or Appleton the Apple River. Appleton is also in Wisconsin. This says Apple Valley is a southern suburb of Minneapolis. That's Apple Valley. Yes, yeah, okay, all

right. He says that river is not located in Apple Valley, voted one of the best places to live in the US just a couple of years ago. But it's actually located just over the border in the garbage fire state that is Wisconsin. Hey, it seems like a good state. Just fine. Back, The Apple River has a quite storied history. What started as a family friendly tube and down the river quickly turned terrible as people use it to

get wildly drunk with little to no police intervention. Also being based just across the border in Wisconsin, where fireworks of all sorts were legal, not the case in Minnesota, where you can only get sparklers and shitty fountains, it led to all of the best slash worst kinds of entertainment Imaginable Drunk, overweight Middle American rubs would partake in such fun events as firing Roman candles at campers who were tenting on the river banks, throwing half empty beer cans, at

children getting ridiculously sunburned as they got too drunk to remember that water washes away sunscreen on their pale bodies that have been inside for the last nine months of horrible winter, and people exposing themselves following the rule of you never want to see the people who want to show. The river ends up being filled with garbage, not just referring to the people floating down it with beer cans for

all of the lowest level beers imaginable littering the sides. My favorite band favorite. My favorite brands include Beer thirty that rainy bells smelled, Beer Colon thirty with the slogan It's always beer Thirty's an ad from that, and Beer Ice, which surprisingly was from a different but equally terrible company. Those are two beers that I really want to Somebody send us some Beer thirty or Beer Ice also used fireworks, big lighters, and drug paraphernalias strown about the river banks.

That's it's exactly what you'd expect from a state park in Wisconsin. That's that stuff's uncool. But man, would it be awesome to shoot off fireworks from an inner tube in a Yeah? It ish Okay, that sounds like, yeah, we used to go. We used to go being yeah done in like a Milwaukee area around summerfest time. Yeah, it was debaucherous for sure, but I think like that was the right place for it. Okay, the Midwest is pretty cool. It's Yeah, this sounds like there's not

a lot to do there. Well, maybe there is months out of the year. Yeah, you're gonna go out and you're gonna have a good time to be able to stir crazy when you get out. Absolutely, what were you shooting fireworks at just you know each other? Yeah? Probably, okay, probably probably people sometimes, Okay, alright, I don't remember. Yeah, it's also drinking going on. Neither neither does your pearl Loster don't he doesn't listen. That's good, that's a good thing. All right, it's

all the emails I got podcast Johnny Bond dot com. Uh now what now? What do we do? What music should we go? Comes next? I guess we should go. Did you want me to play some music? Look at emails at F one dot cool? Yeah, yeah, that was that where your emails go. Yeah, what kind of emails do you guys get? Emails about cars? Are they all about F one yeah, mostly. Yeah, we're right, we're yeah, we're sort of bizarrely on point for a F one podcast on a video game website. How long do you

guys go and soft cutoff? Yeah? Yeah, the hard the hard graft comes from waking up at five am to watch a race every two weeks out. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah that was this morning. Yeah, we're coming and do it in the Sorry not okay, that's even worse. Sunday Sunday, Sunday Sunday, that's terrible. My brain is just say, I forgot what numbers for today, bright kids, Just DVR that thing? Yes, do that? No, because I wanted to wake up and play doom

that. Oh I did that this morning too, and I'm gonna go do it again tonight. Kind of finished that thing. Yeah, whoa, Hey, it's doomed time. We're being played off here on the Giant Podcast. We're gonna get the hell out of here. We'll see you back here again, same time next week. Bye.