Giant Bombcast 02/17/2015 (Premium)

Mmm. Hello, It's Tuesday February in the seventeen twenty and fifteen and you were listening to the Giant Bomb Cast. I'm your host, Brad Shoemaker, fresh off of honoring our fine nations presidents. Uh. The only way I know how how was that, which is by not leaving the house and playing video games. Work. Nice work. Jeff Gersman, Hello, have you

put away your collection of powdered wigs? Yeah? I did. We set them on fire this year that you know, like every what was it every eight years you have to burn this and get new wigs to retire them a little, a little piro in your President's Day celebration. Yeah, so this was I heared out to be our burn year. So weakened the whigs. Next year, new wigs. Yeah, observing custom, Washington brewed his own beer and burned his own wigs. Yes. Uh. Drew Scanlin, have

you drafted any articles of Confederacy recently? I have not. Uh, and uh there's a lot out there that he's fixing. So you know I did draft. I did draft a joystick diagram this weekend. Okay, well, that's that's the next best thing. I think that that's that's going that's going into the Constitution. Okay, Article Amendment two amendments. Uh, eighty nine, Dan, right, because that world Rod too. Yeah, is there eighty eight amendments? That's not right. No, it's definitely not not that

many. That was inflated for comedic value. Okay, I got it. Yeah, okay, man, he said eighty nine. But really they're like twelve twenties prohibition was yeah, oh yeah, yeah, we should know that danger. Hey there, explain to me the concept of checks and balances in the context of the US federal government. So one of the three branches of Congress rights checks that say things that they want to do on them, and they got to pass it around the room until everyone mix sure that all the

wording is fair and balanced. That's m that's where that term comes from, basically how I understand. So yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's how I understand it. So yeah, okay, yeah, sure that works out. No, the bills, it stands on Capitol Hill and sings the little song and well and that's what the justice like the thing from the Metallica album cover. That's why she's got scales. She has to put the check in one side. That's why it's unbalanced because the check isn't in there right right,

and then and then the country works. They have to move checks from one side to the other until the scale is exactly balanced. We all know what's going. All of those things become laws. And the Metallic Metadical album, Uh no, I don't think that that's a really good album. Fell Oh yeah, okay, all albums great. Okay, dude, that just like almost thirty years ago. Oh yeah, yeah, really good album, though. I think they're done putting out good albums. That's Magnetic was really

good whatever, not with the way it was Mastard couldn't tell you. Fucking the race to the loud, the loudness race death. Magnetic is a pox on modern society. They should recall it. I download my unmastered take that I stole from Guitar Hero. I like this new character a lot. Was that actually that actually happened? Right? That did actual? Like the cuts? The cut and Guitar Hero actually was like more more dynamic, right than

I think? Well, I think super compressed album version. The way it ends up is because games like Guitar Hero and and the Rock Band have to work with stems of the song, right, so they're basically abling people that are nefarious and shady who like to steal things out of video games, or just cool people that would do cool shit with stuff to get at those things and then mix it at they see fit. But also like the developers of those games are doing their own mix right, Yeah, I didn't even think

about that. Yeah. Yeah. And so they're not bound to whatever whatever whatever shackles were placed on the song Clears Revenge. In the prison that is the studio, they don't have any checks or balances there. Nope, no, that's for sure. No, they have assert it lawlessness. No one in the certification process gives a fuck if it is redlined or not. Yeah, it's just the way. It's basically the wild West in the recording studio. Does it crash, No, sure, all right, it's in.

Maybe they might this popa roach song. Yeah, it's in gross. No thank you, hey man, you gotta take the go with the band. No thank you? Makes this country great? Is that, everyone's got to say. Even Tony Hawk had a pop popa roach song. And two, anyone can start a band. You can start one right now. You can start too. You guys want to be in a band yes, okay, we're in a band. All right, great, awesome, We're an awesome band. It's called Guns and Roses two. Yeah, yeah, Roman Numeral

or we're going to marriage de alright class Guns and Roses too. A friend of mine was actually in a friend of mine was in a band called Nirvana. To you the sequel for a while. Oh man, all right, every band you apply that too, it's gonna get progressively less funny. But yeah, totally, yep, it's really good. Uh did you live? Oh god, did you spend your three day weekend listening to Papa Roach? Jeff? Of course? Yeah. I mean it's just like p roaches on

all the time. Jacoby shattucks. That's good, Kobe. I don't know. It's fairy tipped to just hit stop after Guns and Roses too. I just told know how it's gonna get me better than that. What did you do this weekend? We got three days off, seventy two hours. I don't know. I hung out, I did some stuff. It was Valentine's Day. That was cool. It was that went out and had dinner and and that was an experience. Yeah, kind of dinner, so fancy dinner.

It's hard to find so I you know, it's I wanted to go to a restaurant and you look at the menu online and go like, this looks like a cool place. Then you get there and they're like, here's our Valentine's Day menu, because fuck you right, like, here's what we're making tonight. There's a zillion people coming through exactly, yeah, and I

totally understand why this should do that. But when I made the reservation, they did not have their Valentine's Day men you posted and that was a little yeah basically, so you walk in there and they're like, you want some apples and some vodka? Like not really, but I mean what else do you have? What if you put the apples in the vodka? Yeah? Sure, I mean whatever you need to do to get through. So it

was a rude surprise. I mean, you got there, it was it was unfortunate, you know, fix them in you Yeah, well no, it was not like prefixed like pay this and choose one of two things. But it was like they had eight things instead of twenty. And it turns out the stuff that they cut where all the stuff that we would have wanted to eat. So whatever, whatever, not that big of a deal.

And the grand scheme of things I eat every day. Yes, as it turns out, so when one when one food experience goes bad, there are plenty of always more for the following day. Your your body has been nourished, and you've moved on with your life. Yeah, to what I've moved on to? Debt or Alive five Last Last Round? Yeah, that just

shut up in mail? That did I put that in? So that's actually that's the retail version of a free to play a game or a free download that will be going up today or has not gone up yet or is up soon or whatever. That's called Debt or Alive five Last Round Core Fighters. How many colons are in that title too? I think I don't know, but I want to say that's free on PS four and you might have to pay a fee to play it on the Xbox One. I don't know what

the fuck happened there. But it's like a four character version of the game if you get it that way, and then you can go pay four bucks to add characters to the game. And so does the retail one just come with everything? Yeah, the retail is just everything. So it was if you want to buy the story mode for your free version. You can give them thirteen dollars or whatever they like. It's they've split it all up piecemeal

in really weird ways that assume that you want any of that. Batier Japanese fighting games not really the area that I expected to expand into free to play, and yet it seems to be happening. Well, I mean just I mean, I think I think you're being a little rough when you say B tier. Come on, considering techn is a free to play fighting game, or or there was a free to play Techen. If you want to tell me the Soul Caliber is a B tier fighting game, I agree with you.

What what I've got some bad news about teen? Okay, go on, uh, I don't think it rates anymore. You might be right, I mean, Technic is really good, but like I'm I'm okay, so Caliber. Let's let's get this out of the way. Yeah, Soul Caliber one's an amazing game. Then they made like nine more and they're all sucking lame. Five wasn't terrible, Okay, one is the best one way? Hang on? They made a five? Oh yeah, yeah, but the

one after the Star Wars one it was all Yoda waiting. No, it was Yoda and Yoda there's really Yeah, there's soul caliber after the one with the Star Wars characters, yea and the completely forgot it's better than four, it's better than four. It's uh, I think one, three and five, But like no one cares about soul caliber and instead I care about So that's okay, Yes, I care. I will look forward to your performance at EVO. U. Techn is infinitely more important than soul. I'm with

you. I'm with you. That's that's with you on that. Uh. But Tech and Techen's well, I was about to say Techen's best days are behind it, but I don't know if I want to go that far. I don't know. I was always want to see Tech and seven it's it's coming out in Japan pretty soon. Here in Arcades, there's always room for a new technic game to be great, and I have I have loved techn

at one point in my life, but it's been a lot. I think techn is so setting is what it's ways at this point that like, yeah, I mean there's only so much they can do, That's what I mean. Like I like techn Yeah, did like said, did you like Tech and Tech Tournament too? I thought that was really good. It was okay, Yeah, that was fine. I thought it was one of the better ones in recent years. Yeah, I thought that Teking five and six were we're okay too, you know, like that stuff's all right, It's just

it's not grabbing me the same way one through three did. Uh, you know obviously, because that's when it was new, when you were like, fucking this is insane. Yeah, would you take a new techn over a new Soul Caliber. Oh, I'm not interested in a new Soul Caliber game. They they shot their wad, They're done. The thing's done. Man. It still flows so much smoother than Tech. I mean, I love

like all the characters they added. It's just like weird jokes and they added all their creative fighter stuff that I think is pointless and like it's just not It's it like as someone who has played a lot of fighting games for a lot of years and taking some of them seriously, Like that was never a game I took seriously. Soul Caliber won the Dreamcast might as well have been a party game because it was so accessible that anyone could pick it up and

enjoy it. I think that's why I liked it, because I've always liked fighting games, but I've never been like an EVO type guy. But with soul Caliber, I felt like you could just pick up a controller and match buttons and Max he's can do yeah, or you could learn and like, Okay, I'm gonna learn every stance and it's a rugie and every single move and go through all the tutorials and stuff. Like I thought it was great,

super cool shit in that game. Yeah, And soul Caliber on I mean, soul Caliber on the Dreamcast is like lightning in a bottle, Like it's fucking insane, like going top to bottom all the stuff they added to it, like it's it's Namco at the top of their fucking game. Going going to my friend's house the night the Dreamcast came out, when he brought it home and hooked up and played. So that was like a defined that's like a top ten defining moment in video games type of thing. But there's

a added line relationship between saul Caliber and Golden Eye. Oh what's that where it has that kind of thing where it's like it was that dorm room game and it was like people that had no interest in fighting games were like, oh yeah, we played a ton of it, and like they're still weirdly all right at Soul Caliber in this really insane way, and you're like, what is really And they never went on to play much of anything else in the genre. It's no button masher. They're like, if you know what

you're doing in Soul no one should be able to beat. There's absolute skill involved. Yeah I'm not. I'm not discounting any of the fighting systems and all that sort of stuff. I just think as they tacked on stuff over the years, they got further and further away from the things that made that game great. I would actually still rather play Soul Edge than anything than Soul Caliber two on. I go back to that thing, and I fully agree

with everything past one being a shadow of totally. Like they're actually in the history of video games. There's no game I've played more than the first Soul Caliber. I bet yeah. I played these. I played for like four years. I played it nightly, like it was a dorm thing. It was in the high school. It. See. That's why I'm saying that. That's why I say there's that dotted line to Golden Eye, because Golden Eye was very much that dorm thing for a lot of people like you.

You hear from people that don't play video games at all now and depending on their age, obviously the yeah, oh yeah, but I used to play Golden Eye back in the day. I used to play Soul Caliber all the time. Like it's the exact same sentence, exact same tone of voice. Oh yeah, bro, that exact I think maybe now, maybe probably these days, I don't I'm not hanging out on college campuses as much as maybe I used to. So I can't tell you why not. I just don't.

I'm not in a band anymore. I might be able to help you with that, really, Yeah, all right, talk later, Okay, I'll get on yack yack. That's where they all hang out. I'll tell you what staircases they're getting high near. It's a it's a low k okay, all right, ya yack. It's a location based a bulletin board, so you load up your phone. It will give you everything people have posted to the service within a certain radius of you, GEO locating you where you

are right now, where you are right now. So like right now, I can't post on the same I can't post to the same people that see things when I post from home because I'm not home. Okay. So you could travel to a new city, say San Antonio, and say where are the cool places to eat? And then the people that use yik yak because they're all assholes respond like your mother, and you go like, this is a great service. This is really very informed the human condition. I'm downloading

it right now. Are they the ones that told us to go to that bar? For now? No? That was that was? It was a courtney. One of our moderators say, she mentioned it by name, and then maybe I misinterpreted the name and by the time we ended up there it was not she said it was. She said, there's this place and they have fancy old sodas and candy, and I really wanted to go, and it was in this mall, and she said the name of a place that I'm pretty sure it was the same as the name of the place we went

to, but that's not what it was. So something got awesome translation or there are two places with the same name, and we were there at night, so they weren't. There was just a box, no fucking idea. Okay, I remember having a good time. You don't remember anything stops for getting some great photos Yeah, some fantastic photos I loaded up ye yak for where we're at right now. Yeah, So it's it's big on colleges for

people to talk about how high they are. Basically, it's like people going like I'm in this class right now, but I'm so stoned, and then you could post replies to people and it's all anonymous. My boyfriend is my best friend. Do guys get bored when that happens? This Tuesday is Monday as fuck college bars. Any good spots at presidio for me to smoke my bong with two g's boy. Yeah, yeah, I gotta go in to download this app right now. Yeah, it's excuse me, it's pretty great.

So I'm yeah, what were we talking about? The youth man, the kids man there yak and getting high and Saul caliber so Saul calibers whatever, and techn could again be great. I think it is. I'm at.

I don't I disagree. I think that, you know, like as of as a series gets further and further locked into its ways, like, you know, the best techn can you hope to do is to continue to appease the base of tech and things and maybe bring back some people that have elapsed and and but but at the same time, like techn is still gonna be techn that you know, it's still gonna be a four button system.

It's still gonna be like, you know, you can't get too far away from that because at some point you're no longer making techn And I think that that's I wish. I don't know, I don't know what I wish, but like Mortal Kombat is really the only franchise that is like totally said fuck it and thrown away everything multiple times. Yeah, for the for was it, five, six, and seven, for those three games on on PS two and Xbox and GameCube, it was all three D spaces and stans changes

and all the stans is all a crazy shit. I think that would end a fight in the middle of the thing, like kicking someone into some Grand Gear ship. Yeah, sure, yeah, it was stuff that was like I don't know, at the time, I remember we're thinking, like this is really amazing that like all these systems seemed really well thought out. And yes, when you're standing here, the red light turns on on the on

the UI and you know you can kick him it. But in practice, like those games were not especially fun, so when they threw it all out for MK versus DC and then hone to that for MK nine. Like that was that was where that series got got great again. Sure, what's the kind of the tournament scene stance on tech and these ideas tech and even show up at EVO in a substantive way? Yeah, I think it. I think it absolutely does. Like like you don't hear much about. I mean

we could go look at the EVO homepage. They have a list of games posted already. Yeah, that things in July again, Yeah, always what do they gus? What do they play? What techn do they play? Because street Fighter Cross well that's yeah, no, I mean they might play that technically a street fighter game. Yeah, I think it's more of a

street it's a thing. I mean yeah, it is a little more street fighter E than TECHNI But isn't that the most recent techn that came out Well it's not a tech tech all right, what's the most recent technic game that came out tech? Probably? Yeah, yeah, I think so. But let's look at the list here of games that are going to be at EVO. That' be teckn Tag Tournament two. Yes, seven is a way is off right? Seven is out in arcades like what right this month in Japan?

Sh Yeah, there's like one arcade getting at the end of this month and then the full rollouts in March. I guess is how it's gonna go. Okay, So here's the list according to the logos on here. Ultra Street Fighter four, Super Smash Brothers for we U, Killer Instinct Ultimate, Marvel Versus Capcom three, Guilty Gears, Exert Sign, Mortal Kombat X, Super Smash Brothers, Malay Uh, Persona four Arena h Ultimax, and Tech

and seven. Okay, so they'll they'll play in Tech and seven there even even being the new Tech and still at the very end of that list and the Mind Game. Yes, yeah, there's way setive. You just you just reminded me that I forgot to buy Guilty Gears on that flash sale this weekend. What was it like twenty five or so? Like twenty four dollars? I think I finally bought the Jackbox Party pack ten bucks. Yeah, pretty good deal. Yeah, that seemed like the right price as someone who

never has enough people around to play that game. I figured this was the right amount to pay for something that I will never actually have. Ten dollars is a good what if price? Yeah, like what if I need if I need this, Yeah, but I'll have it. That is exactly. It was a speculative purchase. It's a DA whatever whatever based on DA five then yeah, character and like more swimsuits and running on PS four Xbox one not I've not seen much volleyball, but there's one level where a bunch of

pumpkins fall down the stairs little balls. Okay, I don't know the fus going on in that thing. I got sad while I was playing it. I actually think it's like a pretty good game. Just DA five in general is a good game, alright, you know, like DA has always been kind of okay. Once you if you you know, once you get past this kind of skivier nature of it, you're like, no, whatever this, you know that stuff's dumb. But it's still a pretty decent fighting game.

But I got sad because I started worrying that this might be the last time I get to play as virtual fighter characters in a modern game. Sarah and Akira and Jackie are in it. But why would this be the last? Because is Sega ever gonna make a new fucking VF How many versions of five have they put out. They put out quite a few, at least three. I want to say, yeah, yeah, well there was was a five VO and then five final tuned. Is that what was final tuned

was the last one? Which one was the like kind of stripped down downalytable version, remember that? Yes, yeah, they did that. I think that that was final tuned. I want to say that was the one where it's like, Okay, this version with these balance changes and updates is not available anywhere else. It was like an XL The only way we can get it out is there is an xbla thing and we'll put it out that way.

And you just wonder with like, you know, the way Sega's focus keeps changing and going further and further into digital things and not physical things, like you know, it seems like it would be expensive to make a new virtual fighter and do it in arcades the way that they need to for the Japanese market to matter. And yeah, like the they even have the people that you would want to do a new VS. I mean VF five was amazing, you know, it was a great what it was. Yeah,

so I don't really know what the status stuff. Cut tons of staff since then, they have, but I don't know how much those cuts were in Japan. You know, it's like they cut the US staff these days. He's not at Sega, hasn't for a while. Did even work on five, I think so, I don't know. They might have brought him into look at it and go like, yeah, that's totally yeah. No three buttons, good going, not four smart that's all you need. Yeah,

that's how you make a VF game. Yeah yeah, so yeah, so I got kind of bummed out, but then whatever, I'm still I'm looking forward to playing some more of this for at least a little while. Yeah, I might download it too. If it's yeah, like those characters are like the four. It's like it's like hoyabusa, ya, it's Tomi and all right. I don't know, but I almost think I know who those

characters. Sure, yeah, I take care. Yeah, I forget which four they are, but yeah, it's it's four characters that you look at and go like, yeah, that's probably those are probably the main characters from DA Sure, yeah, I don't know. It seems all right. It's weird the disc and manual are both covered and like like the printing on them is like this like beaded up the water. So it's like the disc just looks wet, and you're like, what the fuck are you doing? This

is disgusted. When you opened it and said that, I thought you meant that the disc was literally wet, like when I got sent to you in the mail, and that sounded way grocer. No, that would be way grosser. But you mean the video game wet? That would be yeah, yeah, fucking disgusting. Just just apply water like Handy included water packet. Yeah, it's sprints, sprinkles, WWF. Sweat is included in this package. Maximum sweat. Uh yeah, wait two we two eighty three this year

and that's coming right, we will see that's the stay tuned for. Yeah, it's all It's just a ninety minute thing where they're like, we've got it right. Here's wet too. Yeah. Finally, Jeff, I want you to tell me about the order. We'll talk about it next week. I know, I'm just saying I want you to tell me about it, man, But it's not coming out to Friday, which I didn't realize until that's a weird day. Yeah, and the last day or two we'll have

a quick look up on the site later this week. I thought it was a Tuesday release. Questions answer, it's not the first Sony first party Friday release, right since the PS four came out. Weren't they did toying with that here and there? Famous was a weird day, wasn't it. Yeah? I feel like there's because and the same deal, Like there was a bunch of infamous stuff out like way ahead of time. Yes, because copies

got out. Yes. Yeah, we were talking earlier and you were surmising that even with a Friday release, the copies are probably getting too stores on the schedule that they would for a Tuesday release. Seems like it would because because there are gonna have separate trucks, right, uh go to distribution where I I don't know, and you can't get all that. You couldn't. You couldn't. You couldn't schedule it for the following week's delivery because it might

not get there in time. Yeah, but sure enough, there are lots of people streaming and posting videos of the order. Yeah, I guess what happened. Someone posted the full game. I think there's like multiple playthroughs out there now. Yeah, it's like there's in fact, there's a guy posting a play through, like getting all collectibles and stuff, so if you will see every pixel that there is to see of the order, which is nice because it's out. There are fewer pixels to look at the games because it's

all letter box. Yes, cut all that stuff out anyway, quick look and review forthcoming. We can't discuss it here though, Uh there's anything else? Uh no, that's that's pretty much shit. I doubt. I don't know why. I don't know what. Hath the fuck? I download a DC Universe online. Oh yeah, you mentioned that, thinking like I was gonna play it, and I was like, no, I'm not gonna. They put out a bunch of stuff. They put out another piece of like

another so they it's it's free to play it. But they put out their DALC for like ten bucks a pop, and you get access to these you know, mission whatever these missions are and stuff, so that that it's showing up back in the news. Maybe go like, oh maybe I'll take a look at this. And I downloaded it and haven't actually run it or anything like that. I played some super Stardust, Yes that's the same game. Yep, So it seems I don't know who, like, who's who are

they trying to trick? Yeah, one, well, I guess it's not available on PS four, so why not? That's the thing. I mean, it's like, it's nice, it's it's here on PS four. Yeah. This is the first Superstar Dust for PS four. Oh you said it's not available on PS yeah, because it came out until it was as three launch game. Yeah, I got it. Okay, so I got the

one hand from a sort of added some modes. I mean it's yeah, it's got like exactly the same game, but it is the sort of thing where you're like this this could literally be the same boss fight and I don't even remember, you know, form like a preservationist kind of perspective, like it's nice to have it running on more platforms, but at the same time, like would it have been hard to just make a new Superstar Dust game. Maybe? I don't know, Like what is superstart us to this point?

Like, you know, they stuck to the tenets of it the same way, like if they when they departed too far from what Geometry Wars was, it actually made for a lesser game. Yeah, I don't know. I like Geometry Wars three, it's not as good. Yeah, that's then you are literally agreeing with what I just said. But it's not bad,

like in its own right, it's pretty good. Yeah, like what we were saying when it came out, you know, like if this game there's any different name on it and Geometry Wars didn't exist or whatever, like you think it was pretty good. I enjoyed it for a full three days and intend to never play it again. Did you do the like single player adventure mode thing at all? I started doing it. I kind of like that, kind of got to a point where I'm like, I'm good. I

mostly like that thing. Yeah. A few of the levels had some issues, but I mean it was really challenging. YEA like that. Yes, it's quite tough. Some of the level shapes not so great. Yeah, the ones where you can't really tell what's around the bend pretty rough. Yes, Yeah, some of use do givable and that's I don't like the boss fights. I don't like this structure of like, ye, keep it alive for as long as you kind of can, because you need to milk as

many points out of it as possible like that. I don't know that weird kind of a backwards built sort of thing. Sure, that didn't really, I didn't really do it for me anything else. No, man, no, keep it a casgy this weekend? Yeah all right, what casgy cash? Hell of cash. I think people actually say I kept it cash. I'm sure he would be proud. Uh, Dan, Yes, what'd you get up to this weekend? I kept real busy. Yeah, yeah,

just the usual running, writing and drinking stuff like that. Played some games, okay, Uh, Mainly I focused on Grow Home after hearing about it last week my gambit worked it. You I heard it up on UPF. I was just like, fuckers, play this game. I downloaded it. Yeah, all right, you're getting there. It wasn't a hard sell at all for me, Like I love games like that, and it was just kind of a perfect game to play through it, or the five hours or

so I played over the weekend. Yeah, I just love how how kind of stripped down it was. It's it's just at its core a platformer with an interesting, unique control thing, and then it actually does a good job of being kind of nerve racking, like if you haven't activated the teleporter, where you're really high us and you're like trying to crawl out on this thing

and like stretch out this little vine thing. It's terrifying because if you fall, like there's real consequences, Like I gotta climb all the way o, it's like another five minutes to climb all the way up there again. Yeah, and trying to gauge stuff like I wonder if my jet pack has enough power my jet pack plus my flower that's half done or whatever, if I can actually get over there. Yeah. I had a great time with it.

You do find yourself pulling a lot of desperate maneuvers, like if you miss a jump, You're like, oh, what can I grab on the way down to try to minimize the damage here. Yeah, And it can get funky sometimes, like when I was climbing on the vine, sometimes the camera would get really weird. Is the worst thing about that game. It can be kind of spotty, whereas like the movement is goofy, but it feels intentionally so and and you get used to it. But yeah, I

like the character. I love the look of the world. I think it's great. Yea, yeah, yeah, it's fantastic. Look did you do what you got all the crystals? Right? Did you do all the other thing that? Like, oh yeah, when you get to your ship. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I made sure to do all the crystals before the other thing you do at the end, because the blast unlock you get with all the hundred crystal makes it like it basically trivializes the rest

of the stuff you have to do. Did you get alle hundred crystals? No? I meant like early eighties right now, I think, Yeah, is getting the crystals what unlocks your abilities? Yeah, so like at ten, twenty forty sixteen, one hundred do you unlock new things? Which a lot of them are upgrades for your jet pack, you know, things like that, which helps a lot. If you've not seen the game, we have quick quick look of it. But if you haven't seen it, it's

eager basically growing a giant bean stock basically your space ship. Yeah. You have to plug in vines that are shooting off the bean stock into these like energy islands, and like the first one will be like plug in four and then plug in eight or something, and then each time you hit that, the like core vine gets closer to the spaceship. Okay, along the way, there are crystals to collect. Yeah, yeah, we talked about it

a bunch last week. Yeah, it's it's funny, like it's it's really cool when like, you know, you're looking for crystals and then you just stumble like accidentally, like the ground will collapse, and then you're in this cave and you look around there, Oh, there's like five crystals in here. This get these amount of stuff to discover in that game, Like they

do a good job of tucking things away. Yeah, yeah, no, just I love the whole thing of that game is that no one knew about it, and all of a sudden it's like, oh this is out and it's like, oh, this is cheap and really cool. Yeah. It kind of made me wish there was more of it, you know. Yeah, yeah, happily played more of that thing. Yeah, I hope it sells well because I mean it really seems like a cool passion project for the guys that made that. Totally you'd be suffering, uh yeah reflections. Yeah.

Outside of that, played a couple more rounds of Evolve. I think, oh, yes, yes, we need to talk about Evolved. Yes, I also have played some Evolved. I've just forgot about. I too have played a fair amount of Evolve. Yeah continue, Oh you know, I've yet to do outside of the Quick Look we did. I've yet to do one where I just like staffed the room full of friends that are playing it or whatever. I've only done strangers. Yeah, same here so far.

Uh yeah, And you know what, I I think for the way I've been playing it to where it's like if I just have like thirty minutes to kill and yeah, I'll just load one up real quick, and I don't see if I get the monster or whatever, I play one level up a class or something. Does it mean you only want to play the Monster? No? No, actually, uh yeah, It's been my first choice, probably more than anything I'm hitting in the direction it is more fun being

a monster. More than that. I have got a perfect win record with the Monster and a perfect loss record as a Hunter. That's one of the cool things about being the Hunter, though, is that you feel like you actually did get a victory if you take down the Monster. I would like to experience that feeling, Like we we beat Vinny as the Monster in the Quick Look, but that was kind of you know, that was sort of

special circumstances. Yeah, but I just the game balance, like, as as a new player, it feels so lopsided in favor of the monster. Well, I mean, it's all about catching him quick. Seems to be one of the best ways to actually win as a hunter, because because once the monster gets to level three, like, it's insanely powerful. Yeah, yeah, so I mean you gotta get him quick. But I mean that's hard enough as it is, you know, just getting them trapped in the

arena or finding him even at the very beginning. But yeah, I mean the way I've been playing, I'm not sitting down and playing four hour sessions. I think I'd get tired pretty quick of it that way. But just playing, you know, the couple things I played over the weekend, you know, here and there, I enjoyed it. Did you feel like you were like forming proper teams with random players or is it just a fucking mess? It seems like most people get the gist of what to do. I

don't see a lot of people breaking off and doing their own thing. Like, you know, whenever I check the map with the touchpad, it's like, Okay, everyone seems to be going in the general right direction, and the trapper generally knows to throw down the arena, and yeah, whoever's doing support is usually you know, shielding someone everyone's kind of playing their class.

Yeah, I'm finding people, Like the first night it was miserable predictably, you know, like it's like trappers missing the Monster and like healers not healing, like tot'll end up going like, you know, because the game will naturally weed out people that don't like to play that way because they why would they keep playing it? Right, So maybe it ends up self correcting it. Yeah, I got I got on a couple of teams yesterday when like,

yeah, everybody's doing their thing, but even still fucking Monster. Like I I have had multiple experiences like the first time I played the Monster, I had like ignored the tutorial, like barely knew what I was doing. Got fucking worked before I even hit level two, Like I was down to

like a third health or less. Yeah, and then I just evaded them long enough to hit level three and came back and just romped them, you know, Like it it feels like I don't know the skills of the barrier to entry basically is so much lower playing the Monster, and like it has to be to some extent because you're playing alone one versus four, It's it's all on you. So I just wondered, like, you know, if you're having these pickup groups that are going okay, but I wonder if they

were actually tight, if they would be going way better. Yeah, it's possible, I'd imagine. And again I haven't really played anything like that outside of the Quick Look and of course different circumstances there. So I gotta prefer it that way though, because that way, like killing the monster is in actual achievement. Yeah, you know, it's like actually hard to do. Yeah, I mean, it feels good whenever you win as the hunter,

for sure, it is. But if if you need, if you should have to get like a group that you know together to pull that off. Like that's kind of a an imposing proposition for a lot of people. To rad pointed out, I spent a little time with the Evolved iOS that it's a match three puzzle game like puzzle Quest from the makers of w W E Supercar. Wait, it's really same studio, did it? Oh wow?

Okay? Had daddy? Yeah daddy. But like there's these there are points in there where you're supposed to be able to unlock things in main Evolve, the main game from that app, and it's like you you bought some of them and I bought someone it's like progress towards getting two percent accuracy. Like it's yeah, it's it's very unclear as to what the actual benefit is from playing that rather poor iOS game. How do you fuck that up? That

thing is? Don't don't forget that? Think is you? You sucked that up by like everyone, Like there are a zillion puzzle quests knockoffs these days. The bar has been raised. Uh, and this game, you know, it's like you have your four abilities or four sets of abilities because you have the four characters. But the balance of it seems to be shifted in favor of like, well, we would like it if people paid some real money to buy boosts, because that thing is I think is rotten with free

play micro transaction type stuff. Yeah, so it seems like it is pushed in that direction, like you should pay ninety nine cents right now to restore everybody to full health. Okay, no stuff like that. No, I don't I'm making that up. But it's similar. It's the spirit of it that's not. I'm not willing to do that. Not for like a companion

app. The companion app should be the sort of thing that shouldn't have any of that shit in it, because it should be a free thing that is like, hey, you're gonna get some benefit and please buy our main game. It should be like the thank you for buying our sixty dollars product. Here's something you can use to level up a little more quickly. Or you could be playing this because we shipped it two weeks before the main game to get a leg up on the competition of oh god, please pre order our

game today. Like it should be a marketing thing, not a not a like a cost like a like a revenue generator into itself. I think it's super crass in a game, in a game that people have been like like widely targeting as being super crass with it's it's additional content. I'm I'm I'm of two minds on that stuff. If you guys kept up with that, just the yeah, the huge hubbub around. I went and looked at what

they're actually selling. It doesn't that much different than a fighting game. So there's the season pass which gets you like more, which is actually it's actually more characters, yeah, gameplay stuff. Yeah, which that's fine, Like I said, fighting games sell characters. After the fact, all the time.

It's not perfect. But like the big headline that generated all the outrage last week was like like, oh, we've all just like like a big deluxe edition doesn't get you this one hundred and thirty dollars a DEALC or whatever. It was like, it was like, here's all this DEALC that you have to pay for on no matter what, and it's all like weapons skins and monster skins and stuff like that stuff is cosmetics, cosmetic stuff, which

is insane. But like, on the other hand, if you want to make the argument that Base Evolved does not have enough monsters and enough hunters in it, like, I'll totally listen to that argument. The other part of their argument is they say that all the maps will always be free. Yes, there is that, which I guess that's something we don't know how many

maps they intend to make, so that could be jack shit. I mean, I'm looking at in the game and it's not like hurting from maps out of the gate from what I saw, yea, and it seems like it has enough care. I don't. I don't know, I don't. I don't like it enough to care about any of this. Well, I kind

of I think there's something there. It's kind of fun, I think, But at the same time, like you know, when you say, like here's one hundred dollars edition of the game which they add on Steam, like the Monster Pack or whatever that was, like it was even more than plus season past. It was ninety nine. Didn't they have like one hundred and forty or one hundred and thirty dollars one? I thought they had like the PC Monster Race one maybe that was that was one hundred dollar one. I

think for pre order. Understandably, we've all lost track of all the faund there's a spreadsheet going around. I believe it. I believe it. Yeah, And it's you know, like I don't know, man, Like it's it's frustrating that this stuff happens. At the same time, like if they want to sell a bunch of dumb cosmetic shit like go for it, who fucking cares? Like we need to get to a point where people stop feeling like they need to own one hundred percent of everything for a game unless they

really really really like it. Yeah, and then in that case, maybe spend the money if you really like it. I don't know, but fucking skins, who gives us Yeah, but where where I do have a concern just you know, look at what they look at what they put on the

disc. It's it's twelve Hunters and three monsters, right, and you get one monster and four Hunters out of the gate, and it takes fucking forever to get to any more of that stuff, Like you have to play a ton of matches right with the assault guy to get the next assault guy.

It's like, you ship this game, and when you think that's a good thing or a bad thing, it seems like the ramp is so slow that you could argue that like it makes the you know, if they had an ability to unlock some of that stuff, like people wouldn't potentially pay it. That's that's the concern though. Did they artificially inflate the amount of time it takes to get the new stuff to make it feel like the game has more value? What I'm saying, I mean they they control all those numbers,

like they ship. They shipped a game and locked two thirds of the gameplay variety behind this insanely slow progression. Yeah. I don't think that has anything to do with the the DLC or the payment options per se. I just think that's a bad choice to me. I think that's that's poor design.

I don't know. To me cynically, I look at that and go like, well, they thought maybe the amount of content here was questionable, so they've artificially extended out how long you'll be playing the game to get to the later stuff. But I didn't think that's more likely to lead to a case where the people that are on the fence about that sort of thing would just stop. I think I would play it less if it was a quick ramp to unlock everything, because it is a fairly slow ramp. But I really

like unlocking those new hunters. So when I see that, like, oh, I need to start using my Arc Minds more to unlock the next assault guy or whatever. You know, I really want to get to last Verus. I like seeing that progress, you know. I at the end of every match, I like seeing how close I'm getting to the next one.

And if it all unlocked real quick, I don't know if i'd feel pressured to play it seems like maybe, like that's a weird way because you have to level up every single one of your weapons to watch the next guy. Fucking Arc Minds suck, Yeah, the idea that you would have to go in and try to use them as much as possible to level them up,

which seems at some point like to be a detriment to your team. I can't you know, maybe I haven't played enough to like speak to the balance that say that that that for certain, But in my experience, the arc minds have not been my first choice of weapons, or even even if they're useful, like maybe you just don't like using them, you know, yeah, like like having to use all the abilities when some of them may not

be. Really just that call of duty thing where you know, there was a while there that like it got to like, well you have these weapon challenges to unlock this stuff, and like, okay, well now I need one hundred pistol kills, so I'm gonna go into every game with this pistol and even though it's not the best way to play, I need to get this stuff. That's why they don't have multiplayer achievements and Call of duty games, because it encourages people to do dumb shit and and not play well.

So, you know, like it's it's sort of that's somewhat related. I guess I would say I don't know, have you unlocked it in your characters? Yeah? Which ones do you have? I've got as far as the monsters, I've got the crack in and then I've got Lazarus on the medic I've got the second assault guy. I think his name is Markover maybe that's the first. I've got the second assau Yes, yes, I have that guy. And I'm about to unlock the robot guy on the support or I

think it's Support. But yeah, there's the robot game guy named Buster announcer or something. I do love, like the intro to the game, just this fucking motley crew of like like here's every walking cliche we can think of the stuff into the space ship. You know, it's like like here's your Australian big game hunter with the handlebar or like you know, walrus mustache. Like here's your crazy Piro guy that just wants to burn everything. Like somebody's

got a cigar. I'm sure somebody has a cigar, you know. Like that was fun. Actually that was fun. But you have to pay a two ninety nine to get the right I mean yeah, I don't know. Like the DALC conversation has been going on for as long as there's been DLC at some point, at some point, like you have to look at it, well, I don't know. I look at it as an extension of expansions for PC games when they would sell these forty dollars add ons that we're

often not worth the money. Sure, at least now it's piecemeal in a way that like, you can get the things you might actually want to use instead of being forced to take on all this shit. But you know, the littus test for DLC has always been are you happy with what's exactly in the base package? And in this case, I can't say, because two thirds of it I can't play right now, you know, right, Like I the default assault guy seems cool, but I would love to try the

other two and see which one I like the best. But I'll probably never see the third one. But hey, when they eventually release one more, you could just pay to get that phone. And maybe it is kind of sleazy. Yeah, it's I don't know, I don't, I don't. I don't love the way that strut that game top the bottom just seems really awkward and off to me. Kind of a shame because the base game, like the core concept, is kind of cool. Yeah, it's maybe it's

been fun. Maybe it doesn't work as a sixty dollars concept. I don't know, it's it's a weird thing. It is. Indeed, you don't understand it esports. Yeah, that's right, Yeah, that's the fun. Maybe you should listen to a few more shout casts and then you'll please Man, we're open source around here. It's ice cast all day long. Yeah, Like their attempts to try to like promote this thing as if it were some kind of esports thing before it's even out. Are they still doing that

though, Like they were doing that, they might have backed away. They were hitting that pretty hard. I don't actually know it packs a while back. Yeah, they like announcers announcing it golf matches or something, right, that's fucking dumb. Yeah. My feeling on that stuff has always been like, you know, let the community decide if this is going to be a

viable esport. Like do your work obviously, like you know, make sure you're making a balanced game and that everyone benefits from that, the casual players to the people they would be pros. You know, Like at some point though, it becomes a matter of like are you going to devote resources to like a spectator camera that's good, or a announcer position sort of thing that can connect to a game. Just just scope that out and do it later. If your game takes off, like don't when you launch with all of

it, your game looks fucking needy and set. Yes, that's an incredibly discerning audience and they will get turned off super quickly if you're trying to shove it down their throats. Uh you know, kind of have to let them decide. Yeah, uh so you're gonna keep playing Evolved Dan here and there,

you're not super I like the game. I've enjoyed my time playing it, but yeah, it's not gonna be every night thing if you if you want to group up, I would, like I said, outside of the quick look, I have played it, like like you said, only played it with Andos, So yeah, we should try to do someday when you know people that we know that have it. And yeah, I get a game. I feel like I feel like we should give it its due in a weird way. It's like I should play this the way it's supposed to

be played at least a couple of times. Yeah, yeah, I got that out of a quick look yeah, and then you know, like hear and Mary talk about it a little bit, and she was talking about like how they seem to be making a whole lot of videos for it over a game spot because that's they you know, it's a big release, that's what they do. It sounded like they were maybe getting a little a little done

with it. We'll burn out. Yeah, yeah. Even looking at a pre release, I was like, I don't know if this is gonna have legs beyond a month or two, but we will see. Outside of that, I can't talk about details yet, but I beat the new Kirby on We You. That'll be on next week's podcast. I'm talking about that. We'll have a technical knockout or oh, oh, there you go, Drew. He you see that segue he did there? Hey, oh that's that's a poorly time segue because we have to take a break right. Oh boom,

damn we're back. Hey Brad, Hi, Hi, Hello, how's it gone? It's going? What are you doing? I don't know sitting here in a while, since we're Jatt sitting here behind this all this equipment, much flashing lights, feel so it's intimidating. All that horsepower between your legs. Dell PC spread this thing up running Windows seven red line. This mother just about on five. Wait, no, this thing's running XP because

it still running XP. Yeah, what was the deal? The Vintage, Like the control surface for the tri caster doesn't work on anything about caster. It's the main mixer, the sir. Yeah, yeah, so we're stuck on XP here. It's a good operating system. Still churning with Audacity. Yeah, well, I mean so Adobe Auditions installed. I got my workflow. Yeah it works well enough. Audacity's only crashed once since since I've been doing this. Okay, Uh so we'll yeah, we'll check out the new

Kirby game at the end of the week. Yes, like you said, quick look. Yeah, we'll have a review up tomorrow and have a quick look tomorrow the next day, you know, right soon, And then you beat Tyson on your first day. It's done as predicted. Who predicted that? Me? You did? Yeah? I think you just said what would you do if you beat him? Yeah? But dude, I knew what was going to happen. Predicting. Yeah, but you have been trying to

beat that guy on a shitty HDTV while drinking in a bar. I've also tried it while sober on an HDTV, so you know, remove the latency issue and sobered you up. I don't, I really, And I had a feeling that it was just gonna happen. I felt like even with the CRT thing, it felt like I still had as much trouble reacting to Tyson's uppercuts. I mean, it's if it's a change, it is a minute,

little change. But yeah, I guess you can't argue that I've spent you know, years trying to beat this and then I do on the first try when I do it here or two like, yeah, it is literally a menute change. We're talking about frames, we're working on milli seconds here. It's well, the real tests, Tyson, that's what matters. That is, I guess every frame matters. The real test will be when I go to soda Popenski's and I try to get that free bottle of champagne and

get my picture up on the wall. That's a bar. That is a bar that yeah, it's named after Popenski from Why are they still allowed to go under that name? Why isn't Nintendo stepped in? And because they weren't aware yet, But you know, Dan's continuing his streak of destroying businesses and other other fly by night operations, which Flam has only gotten bigger by outing them on the internet. I brought up Soda Popenski's on my first BombCast and

it they're still doing well. Side, I have an un good authority that employees of Nintano of America listen to this podcast, so dear, oh my goodness. Well, yeah, the authorities maybe need be on their way. That bar that has nothing to do with punch, Yeah, yeah, you can still do that. I got any has public exhibition of a video game That sounds like a crime to me. That's a rebroadcast NFL events, you know. Yeah, they better hope they don't upload YouTube clips of those video

games over there. They're super fucked. Also, it doesn't offering a prize make it a contest by Yeah, it's like gambling and a contest by by us. Watch. I guess I've also talked bars into showing wit or Eat pay per views. Uh, that's probably legal to right, but we did the room. I don't even know if she's talking about Oh I don't either. I mean back before I work, Yeah, back in Kansas. If Nintendo comes down on them. They should just change their name. The vodka

drink nskis Yeah that's also. Yeah, there you go. But yeah, I'm gonna try to do it there sometimes in the near future because free bottle champagne. Oh why champagne though, because that's celebratory thing. Well it is, but nobody because then you can shout I'm the shamp champ and then pop the bottle and pour it over your fucking head. Okay, yeah, all right, only if you open it with a sword though, yeah, saber it opened the weight of some kind of can bottle on your head and go

I'm the best. But I've seen pictures of that place, and nobody in their right mind in a bar like that would be drinking champagne. And prior to doing this, I think this is part of the uniqueness of that And I just really want my picture on the wall there. Well, actually it already is because there are only three pictures on the wall and I was there for the third one. So in the background of the third one you see me sitting at a table. But no, I want I want to be

a front and center there. I want that chance. So that's a real honor. Oh ya, I should be proud. I gotta have goals the background of that picture. So yeah, we'll see if I can do it on an HVTV. I think I've got all the patterns down as much as you can with Tyson, and you know you can do it. That's the thing. I think that was the biggest monkey on my back is just being terrified of him for twenty five years. And now that I've done it,

I think I might be able to do it regularly. I can't believe you did it in one you and Jason, seriously for like over a week. You said a week, but no, I think it's been over week of you guys testing and trying to get that set up. This is exactly how I hope this would go down. This is I hope it's just like go through all this set up this fucking rig and roll like it's cut. I think it's coming at first, ans to one project onto a crt uh directly

and split that signal and go into all our modern video equipment. Yeah, what did you do? What did you do to split the thing? How is how is the nes out putting? We'll start at the front of the chain. It goes you know what I should just do a video about this. But like it's it's split out at the source, so it's video signal comes out of the composite, video splits out of the NES to the TV and then to our series of boxes. So Dan is not getting anything from

our video equipment. It's just literally a piece of metal splitting a video signal going into that. I forgot the TVs used to have video out. Four Hollywood lawyers got a hold of. Was that was that why that started? Like most check that t most most new TVs don't pass like any kind of decent video signal out because of piracy stuff. Uh all right, yeah, I'd be curious to see that stuff. Yeah, yeah, I'll do it. I know something out of it, even I got something out of it

if nothing else. I mean, that's honestly. I love this outcome. That was so much fun. That was super fun. Well, the first fight I got within I got to the round three and I got within like three to five punches of getting a third knockout on him in one round. You think that was the best you had done to date? Yeah, to date? That first one I did was the best run of tyson I had. And then I was just way too jazz that I don't even started.

Like, I was like, all right, I need to check some audio, and then you played it for a second, You're like, oh no, I'm doing too good yet. Yeah, I try. I stopped. I took a dive because I couldn't do it until we were filming. But yeah, and then I got I just got like physically, like my body just felt like just electricity was going through because I got so close, and so I was just way out of it for the next like several fights. And then I got back on the zone. And uh yeah that was a

hell of a thing. Yeah. Yeah, I'm still feeling real good. That'll be up on the site by the this. Yeah, that's compressing right now, Premium members, nothing else. Now. We have a good setup, reliable set up to play old demanding games on. So I'm gonna take that game, that all that stuff home. That's my Nintendo. I'm taking it all home, plug other consoles into it. Oh sure, Yeah. Yeah. We didn't want to do the retron for this, just in case

that kind of weirdness. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to as real as it could have been. So well, congratulations, thank you. I'm feeling real good, excellent, Uh, Drew, yes, play anything. I played that hot new release Halo two. Oh yeah, yeah, Alexis came over and we played the master Chief Collection. Local co op. The work was functional. Yeah, uh, I mean local co op. Yeah, local co op work. Hasn't it looked like two years you guys stayed up

whole night doing that. Yeah, and you were itching to play it again. Yeah, you know, it looks good. They did a great job, you know, right, I guess Yeah, you guys hadn't gone through the whole thing with all the graphical right improvements. Yeah, and they've those new cinematics list. Yeah, those are some really nice CG cut scenes. Yeah, so it all all worked fine. Yes, there have been some scattered reports of the single player stuff in in that game being iffy, but

I've not tried it. Uh co op across the internet, Yeah, I think in a lot of cases that it was just campaign issues that were still related to some kind of okay, but even like when you're back, when you're out in the menu, there's no indication that there are two controllers plugged in, so we had to just like hit start, And I think this is co op and just like hope it's like that, UIs. It's it's not just the matchmaking stuff, it's the whole interface is just bad in the

game. Or is that more of the falls of the console. It's the game? Okay, uh, it's yeah. You know you have like on the right side. It's like, here's where everyone would be if they were in your party. But sometimes I show up, sometimes they don't. I don't know. I haven't tried online in a long time, but I haven't heard great things. Well, get to that in the emails. Oh great, cool. I hadn't talked anybody that had played through that entire redone campaign

yet, I've played through the entire thing. We got to I think we got some new mumbassa all right, but yeah, it's it's great. I love that. I love that first part of Halo two. Yeah, with the kind of the what is it with the arbiter going on trial and all that stuff? Oh actually, yeah, we got to the first arbiter level and then stopped. I've seen was it Halo tooth people were complaining about basically

the insertion of load screens. You know what I'm talking about, was that the one that was designed basically to never hit a load, m or am I mixing up my halos? I think you're right, because I think the cut scenes were supposed to be to cover up the loads. Halo one certainly had loads. Yeah, I can't remember if we I was just wondering if

that bothered you as a purist. It bothered me because the load times were long and they were along Like Alexis even commented he doesn't have an Xbox One, and I was like, yep, this is pretty much part for the course for the Xbox A lot along load times. It has a lot of rammed to fill. Yeah, and that thing I don't know, man, all right, so I had to I had to clear space on multiple PlayStation

befores this week. Yep. Speaking of loading things on the drives and stuff, go get that there, go get that too, terabyte man, free yourself. Is it as easy to switch it? Yeah? That's full? Oh wow? Is it as easy? Because I swapped out hard drives on PS three and that was surprisingly really somewhat easier. Four, it's not. It's very easy. Oh wow, that plastic case just comes right off. It's a user accessible screw you just fucking go And do you still just have

to buy like a normal laptop as long as it's like good. There are so I guess there are different sizes of laptop drives that vary by like a few millimeters, and like I guess the biggest laptop drive won't fit in there, but most of them will. Okay, if I wanted to get like a two terabyte, I'll just I can show you the one that I got. Yeah, I mean, are they cheap? Though at this point I assume getting like two terabytes than that bad ninety bucks. It's nothing, all

right, yeah, all right? Yeah. And then the big chunk of my weekend was spent sitting on a on a porch watching a lady with a dog walk by. Dog pooped on the sidewalk and she didn't pick it up. So then for about four hours we just watched and see if people are stepped in the dog poop. That's yeah, that's really fun to big old pack of Madelo and had myself a time. She said, a big portion of your weekend was devoted to this, and I was sitting here thinking what

the fuck? And then it all made sense. Yeah, and well, so I think what we hypothesized was it was such a large amount that it was like popping up in the people's peripheral vision, so they would see it and avoid it. But you should have gotten out there cut it into chunk spread That happened on its own because it got kicked, Okay, so then it kind of gets spread out a little more. Uh. And then once that happened a couple of times, then we got some serious steppage. Nice

Drew. You want to know the best possible place to do that? What's that Bourbon Street in New Orleans? Because I believe I told the story on the power Bomb cast because I was down there for Rustlemania last year. And there's a lot of drunk people in New Orleans, and there's also a lot

of horses. Cops ride horses, and horses poop a lot, and sometimes right there on Bourbon Street, and it's we spent numerous hours just leaning against the bar, drinking hurricanes and waiting for people to step in the horsepoop. Horse Poop's weird, man, there's a lot. Yeah. I put a video on my YouTube thing of de Wu superstar Drew McIntyre and his date coming real close stepping on that horsepoop, and that would have been real funny. But it's a good time. I saw a girl angrily throw her beer at

the poop, and she almost stepped in it. She stepped over it, and we all like you know, yelled like oh you know, and she turned around and was so disgusted by the giant thing of poop she just threw her full beer onto the poop. I've never seen anyone throw beer at poop. Then you run the risk of then you run the risk of splashback with poop infused beer. No, no, she she was a good like three or four feet away. I think she was saying, what kind of dog

were we talking here? I don't know, big dog big. It's a lot of poop, Yeah, it was. It was a lot. I should have run out there at some point and replaced the poop with a sausage Mad magazine style, or like anybody the rubber one, like the little curl up. Yes, y'all got fake poop. That always weirded me out because it's like you look at it and you're like, sausage is tasty, poop is not. I'm so I'm so conflicted. I don't know what. Yep, that was Mad Magazine, right, I'm not making this up. I

think it was Mad magazine. Are you sure the Cracked? I'd swear it was Mad that like every time there was poop involved in an illustration, they just had a giant sausage link instead. Am I making this? Subscribe to Mad for like twelve years. Maybe it wasn't what you're talking about. Maybe it wasn't. I don't know. I didn't National Lampoon, I didn't read Cracked. I didn't read National Lampoons. I had Cracked like Mad and Cracked when I was kid. I didn't subscribe to Cracked, but I would pick

up Cracked from time to time. See Vester P. Smith was an all right guy, really, the janitor. I always just assumed he was a poor man's Oh yeah, I mean he was. I guess that was the point. Yes, Cracked was definitely the poor man's Mad. Even when Dave Burg jumped fucking ship from one to the other, You're like, mana, did that really happen? Crack didn't have the fold ends at the end of the issues exactly. The weirdest thing about Mad for me was that I'd never

bought it. My cousin, who was a good bit older than me, had a bunch of old issues. Those are the good ones. So yeah, so I was reading like Mad from the seventies, like Mad from before your time is crazy because like all the political jokes, all the political shit just went completely over my head because I had no idea what they were talking

about. Yeah, what was the demographic for that? Because I remember being like eight and nine and reading Mad magazine and getting like Ducacus jokes and stuff, and like, I guess I gotta figure out who this guy is, Like is it four teenagers or people old enough to follow politics? Like it seems like it's so ju ni to you, buddy, Yeah, it is fair. It is fairly driven on to eighty Okay, I don't know. I feel like I learned a lot about politics and stuff by virtue of it.

Yeah, Mad certainly commenting on it. Yeah. Yeah, I think between like Mad and Letterman and Conan, that's like, as a child, that's all I know about politics, just through those you're really Mad in the nineties. Yeah, I probably read Mad from like nineteen ninety to two thousand maybe, and crack, I bet that was really fucking rough. I was a kid. I don't know. Yeah, fair enough rough all Like did just did the quality go down the hill. Yeah, look like because I

I ended up. I was. I was reading Mad in like eighty four and stuff like, yeah, I was. I was. That's about when I was like they were putting pac Man on the cover and shit. Uh And it got real fucking terrible near the end of the eighties. But again,

you were getting older. Yeah, that's that's true. Like it was, but it was definitely like it was one of those cases where like my grandmother was getting me a subscription to Mad every year, and I probably got it into the nineties, and I think about it, I was like in

high school at that point. I was like, I'm just I mean, I'm still reading these things, but I'm just knocking them out in like two minutes, and it's gonna like this is tur you know, maybe when you ask who what's the demographic from Mad magazine, maybe it's like kids, it's eight or eighty. Yeah, right, it's one or the other. Like

you turn twelve and you age out of it. But yeah, like my grandmother and you know, just by having kids that were older than I was, like, yeah, there were a ton of like sixties, seventies or just early fucking issues of Mad, and like the trade paperbacks and stuff they would do as well, like a lot of those the super special editions or whatever in the books. Yeah, the books, the books. And I'm

trying to remember. I think my first issue was like the Michael Keaton Batman, like the first one, which that confuses me because I was born in eighty four and the movie was like, what eighty nine? It was like fucking five years old reading Mad Maggots sounds about Ryan Okay, yeah, I remember liking a lot at five. Yeah, yeah, like I definitely I distinctly remember doing most of my Mad Magazine reading on the floor. Yeah, so yeah, high terrors. That sounds about right. Well, maybe not

that young. Yeah, getting my diaper change. They're still making what right? I wanted to see what Mad Magazine in twenty fifteen monthly anymore? Because not ACTI like a set number of like really issues per years. Last time I was looking at it, it was like eight issues a year or something

like that. Press. I'm not really sure where it's at these It was the was the founder of the thing, William Gaines kicked off a while yeah, a while ago, yeah, yeah, like a spot stuff yeah five versus remember being really excited when Mad TV was Yeah, that's right, and really unexcited watched it. It was like, man, this is like the Mad magazine. Integration is shaky at best. Yeah, the company is a

rung below. Remember the first episode was like Gump fiction and it was Forrest Gutt mixed with pulp fiction, which I should have been the right age. I was like nine or ten when that started, and even I thought it was way too just low brow and easy, because like I was a SNL guy. Sure, I was like, man, this does isn't matching up that st now at all? Yeah, No, it definitely didn't. Yeah, there probably will not be a Mad TV fortieth anniversary special probably in the

future. There was like there were people on that cast that were super fun. Yeah, it was like they launched a couple of careers, didn't they voice of Vamped and Meddle or Solid to Phil Phil Lamar was on that show before he got heavy in video game acting, the guy who got shot in the face and pulp fiction. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's right. That's where I learned to Phil Lamar was Man TV. I watched that Saturday Night Live forty Yeah I wanted to, didn't, but fucking twice in

one month. I have somehow been vexed by not being able to get a ticket chord cutter. It went from it went from the most worthless network to like, suddenly I want to watch stuff on there. Pay a buck and a half every month for the opportunity to occasionally watch television. Yeah, it's it's not. I'm not like, I'm not like a militant chord cutter or something. I just don't you should be. I just don't care. I don't care enough to get cable. I watched the entire thing, which was

like a half hour kind of best of thing. There was an hour red carpet thing and see the best of thing. Yeah, there's like a half hour, and then there was the red the red carpet thing, which was the most self indulgent piece of shit, Like I didn't go on to watch, almost turned it off watching fucking Matt Lower Well that's all red carpet, Yeah exactly. It was just like why the fun would they do this fucking dumbass red carpet bottle? Well, I mean it's a special event. Let

them have their list. To me, it was it was the perfect example of like the thing that happened to that show and everyone talks about it, like, man, it was on the edge. That ship was out there, man, chevy Chase not not ready for prompt I played. Man, those guys were all crazy. Here's our fucking red carpet special with Matt Lower. Fucking we're just saying I got two corporated or something. Yes, okay, totally. It's the fucking softest show in the land. Like there's you

know, there's no edge and set it a lot. Maybe you find something like you know, in the back fifteen minutes, someone accidentally slipped some onto the show, so that Kyle Mooney and Beck Thennett stuff is usually pretty good. The weekend depth they stuffing jokes, they're saying it's not good. Yeah, yeah, I'm just see to it something looking to it for some kind of counterculture. It has not been that for I wouldn't. Yeah, even when I was growing up and it was you know, Ires and Farlane stuff,

I didn't even consider that. It didn't seem like counterculture to me. Like that said, the original cast was counterculture, Yeah, yeah, I mean there was certainly edged to it in the nineties, I think, though I don't and maybe it was just because the Internet wasn't the Internet yet. I mean that might be now. It's just like everything is so in your

face and so filthy. I just don't see the current show as being that crazily different than you know, the early nineties that I started watching on you know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't really keep current with it. Yeah. It was Norman attend Norm was there, managed to weasel his way up front for the fucking goodbyes at the end. Yeah, just standing there staring at the camera or everyone else is hugging and talking everyone, Norm

just being Norman clapping. Ah, he was. He was a weekend update anchor, the best weekend That's like, that's like that's like being a ring bearer, Like you get to you get to take a ship to the undying Lands at the end of your life. Yeah, eventually. Yeah, and I wish him well on this journey. Colin Quinn was there, yes, yeah, the same deal, making fun of how we mumbled all the time. Victoria Jackson was there, just not on anything, shouldn't do anything.

Yeah, I saw a picture of her. She was clearly in attendance. Oh wow, not recognized. It's that Conan was one of the only big names that couldn't make it because he's filming stuffs in Cuba, which sounds great when he went to Iceland a few years ago, it's incredible, it's really good. Yeah, So should I seek out that show if it becomes available? No, yes, you know, no, because like it's it's they

don't. They don't do any justice to the bits of Like the new stuff they shot I think is interesting and some of it was funny, like this, They did a new celebrity Jeopardy bit that I thought was pretty good. But did they they did they prerecord all the skits? No? No, no, they're always alive. Dan Arod got out there and did Bassematic again lot yea the very first I will I will pull up as good as the original, of course not, but hey, great, I'll pull up a

video of that for sure. Whole thing, all the live bits have the feel of like, hey, we're not on a show. Oh, it's like it's our funny this we rewrote all these jokes to fit this corporate uh picnic that we're doing. You know. It's like, you know, they're they're all referential to the show itself. It's not like here's current events, what Ridge or anything. It it's fun for what it is. It's a

it's a fun look at the show. One of my favorite sad moments was during the red carpet thing where they're interviewing Acroid and Jim Belushi and it's Matt Lowerd trying to ask questions about like legacy US now and near one of the originals, and they kept trying to turn every question back into like, yeah, we're just you know, we're still doing it. We're still traveling around the country. We do the Blues Brothers together live, you know, all

over the world. It's just like they're trying to show this sad fat Blues Brothers fifteen. And then they went out and actually sang a song and we're fucking too. Yeah. Yeah, Like if they do this every night, you think they'd be a little more fucking on point. I mean, we got to just be someplace in Reno or something could be fair. I think they were, you know, like everyone seemed to be getting drunker as the night went on. Also, it was three and a half hours fucking long.

Yeah. It got to the point where like the jokes about how long the show was were too long. Like everything like it was just like, okay, you made too many of these. Now, it was intense. At what year was it that Eddie Murphy decided he never wanted to be funny again? Yeah, it was so it was. I mean after post Nuttie. That was right around the time, bever, those Cop three came out like Boomerang? Yeah, what was that Vampire one? Yeah? Not a

not a terrible movie. Well, the thing is, you watch these old clips Eddie Murphy, that mister Robinson's neighborhood and the Gumby stuff, and he was fucking hilarious. He was so on point. That's so young. He was so fucking funny. And then there's just this point where he like, just like when he came out to do his thing, it's supposed to be this big thing. Eddie Murphy's back didn't even attempt to be funny. He's like, yeah, I think it's cool. That's some stuff I did thirty

five years ago. I think you know it's cool that people still care about it. Cool. Thanks, like, you used to be the funniest dude in the world. What happened to you? I remember? So he did.

He was on Inside the Actors Studio some years ago and I remember watching that and a big part of what he had, you know, what was driving him at that point, Like it kind of puts some of it into perspective, was this feeling of just like he really likes putting on suits and all the makeup and costumes and doing voices and like disappearing and not being a part of a scene to the point where like you can see like, oh, well, clearly the Clumps is exactly what he wants to be doing because

he can put on this giant fat suit and just disappear into these roles and orbit and not be Eddie Murphy playing a role. But his stand up was Eddie Murphy being Eddie Murphy, and that was enough to be fucking hilarious, raw and delirious, and like that was him not playing a character. At some point he probably got tired of doing it. Yeah, he was so good though, he doesn't feel like he has anything left to say, yeah, that he wants to say in public, doesn't have anything left to prove.

I mean, he's doing well for himself, yeah whatever, But yeah, it is, Yes, it is kind of frustrating, Yeah, because it's one of those things where you're like, man, imagine if we had another ten years of Eddie Murphy doing Eddie Murphy stuff, wasted, natural talent, slumber, more flubber. Uh, but you know it is what it is. Yeah. Robin Williams, he was in the Nutty Professor that was

about no. He said flabber. No, nob flabber was originally a Jerry Lewis thing, and then they made a Robin Williams Okay, Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm thinking of Nutty Professor. But I said flabber. Anybody see Pluto Nash, You know I missed that one. Weird Yeah, all right, now that our comedy Symposium has come to an end. Yeah, it's it's a weird show. Like, you know, there's so many montages

and stuff, but like they don't show full sketches or anything. So like, as a show on its own, it's not really telling you anything. It's just like, do you care enough about these people to see them introduce montages or no? And you know, I was. I was happy to have watched it, but I'm not gonna sit here and tell you it's a great show. See the highlights. Yeah, someone did tweet me something that

sounds really interesting. I didn't know that Jay Moore wrote a book called Gasping for Airtime, and it's about his time as a writer and just struggling to get stuff on the air, which I know Larry David always did too. I didn't know there's a whole book about it. So I just bought that and I'm really looking forward to starting. I keep meaning to read the one Big from New York Life fro New York is one of my favorit book I've

ever. It's fascinating here in stories about like you know, Oden Kirk, like rooming with Chris Farley and him coming back from benders and stuff, growing couches and it's it's a fascinating books. Is that just a straight up tell all? So yeah, it's so they got everyone that's ever mattered, and that's not like the way it's written is amazing. Is it's chronological and so like you know, from seventy five to eighty it'll be like, okay,

here's Chevy you're writing a few paragraphs, and now here's Laurie Newman. And you know, it's just written from everyone from writers like Michael o'donahue and stuff too. Oral history, Yeah, yeah, exactly, And it's all people get out there and say, yes, Chevy Chase is a fucking terrible person, like basically everyone think basically everyone has. I don't think anybody needs to

say that at this point. I think it's just like if you're the specifics, because it's it's one of those things where it's like you always hear that he's a fucking awful, awful person. And it was weird seeing him on that show. I mean, of course, he was, of course terrible. He did not look great and when when they interviewed him on the Red Carpet, he just couldn't really talk well, and like he's in his seventies,

you know, is he in his seventies? Yeah, I think he's like seventy one twenties and seventy five makes sense, it's been that long. Shit. Yeah, yeah, he got very ununny. I haven't seen community, but I've never seen Chevy do anything funny and quite a while. Yeah, he was, you know, the right man for the for a very specific chunk of time. Yeah, all right, well I'll check out the highlights in the meantime. What if we check out the highlights of the news.

Sure, yea great, let's talk about the news. I forget who mentioned the Bethesda E three conference thingy. Yes, but let's talk about it. Bethesda is having an E three conference thingy. Yeah, yeah, Sunday they're doing Sunday night events. Yes, I want to say, like Activision has done those. Yes, I think so. The last Sunday evening before E three event that I remember was the big Connect unveiled the Microsoft thing. We had todcast, the crazy Space Wizards. There was the Middle Gear Theater

thing that was a Sunday when that was ages ago. That was I mean, that's before my time. I think I would have loved that. It was just two oh, there was that two thousand. I think, yeah, I should bring in that DVD. I've got the Japanese DVD that's got like a ton of footage from that screening, like the first like the first

US screening of the two thousand MGS two trailer. I can't imagine. And it's like that's like all the you know, it's all the greatest hits of Ziff Davis back then, like filing and for the camera going to see the trailer and stuff. It's weird. That's weird. But anyway, Yeah, like Bethesda clearly has got a lineup of sorts that they are so confident in that they are going to have their own event. Yeah, which immediately leads one to think of the word fall out. Sure, or at least it

does me. Yeah, yeah, it's gotta be right anyway, they don't announce whatever Bethesda Game Studios is making it. Think, yes, I think they absolutely will have to say what what is coming out of that studio next, whether it's fall Out or not fall Out or something else. Fucking just tell us. Yeah, it's been ages. Well, you know it's like a game of that magnitude. Oh yeah, you know can command a certain type of stage and there are fewer of those stages left. Now, that's

that's yeah. Jeff Keeley's not on television. Sure, they're only twelve Game in Former covers every year. But also, you know, you don't want to websites are not big enough to just like we were gonna do, like oh we put a lot for on the IGN homepage for a day like ya. But also you don't want to announce, you know, two years before

release or something. And if this game, you know, for whatever reason, whether it's like ambition of design or just moving to new consoles or whatever, Like, this game is clearly taking longer than the last couple of games

they did. Yeah, I wonder if it's just a tech thing of like, well, you know that engine that they were running all those games on was pretty jan Yeah, but I've always thought maybe that maybe they're jacking it up and like just rebuilding everything, or maybe it just took a long time to get that jan Kiss engine working. Except the lease, they don't run

into the problems they've run into in the past on consoles. I've always you know, a lot of people always like blame Gamebryo for the extreme jake in their games. Yeah, but you know, that thing is an off the shelf engine. I've always suspected that it's all the crazy stuff they add to it. Oh that is causing all that stuff, you know, like just having to deal with thousands of ais running around independently at all times, like stuff like that. Whatever it is they're doing, it's you know, it's

crazy. Yeah, it's ambitious for sure, but yeah, it will be there. Yeah. So here's here's your open platform to speculate on what will be at this thing. All right, I'll run down for you exactly what will be at this thing. Battle Cry, yes, they're free to play game ye. Doom yeah, Doom ask to be there, the Fallout,

Slash whatever. But as the Game Studios is doing, yep, Dishonored to Yeph and Elder scrolls online for consoles because it will ship on June ninth, and it'll still be relevant enough for them to talk about it on their own stage. If I were building that production, I would open with I probably opened with a Doom gameplay demo, yeah yeah, and then I would then I would get battle Cry out of the way, then the Dishonored or Arcane

whatever. Yeah, then whatever, yeso stuff has to happen close the Fallout. Yeah, that sounds good. That's how I would do it. Yeah, if all that stuff is there. Sean Elliott from Arcane was on Twitter kind of pointing people at this thing, which immediately led me to think, Oh, whatever they're working on is probably gonna be there. But who can say. But you know, that's a hell of a lineup that's easily too.

Yeah. Two Warriors zero Prime Yeah man, uh yeah, if if they hit all those high notes like that is easily a lineup that would support their own external event. Sure, yeah, totally what do you think the odds are that they are adapting it tech to run open world Skyrim style games. I have heard from people who would know in the past that that is a damn near crazy pipe dream and will never happen. It'd be so cool

though year and would take a decade to actually make a game with. All Right, well, okay, what if there's a new id tech engine and that is going to be the thing that unders it brought on the like the very top head technical guy from Critech, Yeah, a few months or a year ago to basically become their new kind of architect for stuff. Now that John Carmack has gone so like, yeah, it could be Yeah, I mean maybe it is going to become like something of a technical yeah wunderhouse.

Well, ay, what do you do with it now? Maybe you like, what do you you know, are you going to double down on this this weird ass engine you've been using for a while and bring it forward onto another generation of consoles or you know? It is this delay explained by all

the technical like behind the scenes work this kid that's getting done. I stumbled into an interesting Twitter conversation a week or two ago involving Carmack where somebody when someone was like, John Karmack is awesome, and you responded, fucking a.

Yeah, that was basically what it was. Somebody who had been at id for a couple of years was in an interview for you know, whatever they're doing now and kind of name dropped him and tweeted at him about, you know, like, oh, I was very effusive about you being my idol or whatever, and his response was like, sorry, working on Doom

wasn't a better experience for you, referring to this new Doom. And then like people responded to that, going like oh god, is like Carmack is admitting that Doom is a train wreck, and he was like He's like like, no, sometimes a good thing comes out of a crucible or whatever. Yeah, but but he, you know, being pretty plain about the fact that that game has had kind of its ups and downs. Sure so far, but you know, they showed a quake con last year and the response

was very positive. Yeah, so the three seems like it is high time to show off whatever they've got with that game totally is rage dead I probably, Yeah, I don't think it's ane. Yeah, it didn't do great, it didn't it looked so Yeah, it sure did. It was brink Bethesda. Yeah, yeah, that's not that. That's right, that's right, that's not going And they're doing that dirty Bomb game now, which was a great name. It's great names, a great name. Very excited when

they got that name back. Yeah. I actually liked Rage a lot until the ending. Yeah, the last mission of Rage is a huge fucking bummer. But it's terrible. But I mean, I think the game itself plays really well. Yeah, Like the shooting fundamentals in that game, I feel like are way better than a lot of people gave that game credit. Yes,

and it's one of the most gorgeous games. The last town of contest, Like a lot of the stuff you were doing in town, getting the stupid glave things, and just like a lot of the periphery and Rage wasn't worth it. You're you're you're not wrong. Like it had some definitely some kind of driving. It was sort of open world, was kind of interesting to look at and drive around a little bit. You know. It was a good show piece for what that engine could do in its own weird way,

but it did it didn't make for a fun video game. Yeah, I think the game was at its best in just the pure shooting sequences, because I mean I still really good at that. I like building the little turrets and stuff that would follow you around and help you out. Some of that stuffs cool. Uh, you know the world and maybe not the most inspired. Yeah, not of an arid desert, you know, very boris land. Uh. They're streaming that event live, okay, Yeah, so

everybody would get to see it as it happens. So don't worry if you can't make its probably most people you could see it anyway. Remember when Sony Online Entertainment got sold and became Daybreak Game Studio and the old days, Yeah, eons ago, when they were weeks ago, wasn't Yeah something like that, when they were talking like this acquisition or this kind of transition wouldn't really

affect the projects they have going. It affected those projects, did it, or rather the people working on them, as as a large number of them have been laid off. Yeah. A bunch of people working on h one Z one they're kind of zombie Survivor game. And also a bunch of people working on ever Quests next. Yes, yeah, we're made redundant, which is kind of concerning because every quest next sounded like it had some really cool ideas going for it. Yeah, you know, who knows stuff and all

that. Just yeah, there's a lot of that voxels. Yeah, I love voxels. Oh yeah, you know, I love vox I do know that about you. I don't know, like, you know, it's not my genre, but I think h one z one always seemed like a super opportunistic, creepy project that was like them going like, we want to get in this space. I don't know if it's a creepy but opportunistic, sure, yeah, yeah, but it seems you know, like a lot of people streaming it and stuff. It seems fairly popular. So it seems like

their decision paid off. But maybe their needs for that game changed maybe, or maybe they needs for money changed. I don't know. Yeah, you know, uh, you know, they put out a statement like that people were let go from both San Diego and Austin, you know, alignment of resources, better positions, newly independent studio for future growth. You know, it's kind of standard corporate speak, yeah about people, uh losing their jobs.

But sucks, man. Yeah, it's a bummer. Well you'll see what happens, you know with their output from here and what they've got going on. So I feel like it's been a super strange studio for a really long time. I just I don't don't feel like they've I mean, I'm sure they're like quietly like doing just fine with stuff like Planet Side and DC. You know, it's like we don't hear about that stuff that much. It's funny, like kind of off to the races with it. Now it's

it's done, it's out, it's it's going. It's funny when you would stop once in a while and think about how many games they were actually running at one time, and it was a lot like the station passed used to get you, like, I don't know how many gets you. Now it's like, here's fucking access to forty games, right, here's like eight different name of moos that we're still running that you forgot about. Yeah uh so yeah, yeah, condolencess. People who lost their jobs with it, well

see what happens there. I suppose all right, it's time. I'll all right, I'm strapped in. Hold on your butts. Okay, it's time to talk about Peter Malinew. It's time to talk about Goddess. He's a British man. He is he. He loves his dog. He loves his dog. He made some video games that were really good. He did. He's his name is synonymous with hits like Populous. Uh huh, Syndicate sendicate the movies. Sure, Fable, Dungeon Keeper, Yeah, Fable, Little

Ladder Day. But yeah, sure, I think Fable's pretty good. Uh, Fable two? Get some other stuff here and there? All right? Okay, Peter mal new crowdfund of the game called Goddess. You remember that crowdfunded it? Yes? It Kickstarter? Due? Yeah, kick Goddess was a straight up Kickstarter Okay, uh you got remember Curiosity, the dumb ass cube that we all tapped on way too long. Twenty two cans, Yes, twenty two Cans was his independent studio that he went to reformed rather after

you left Microsoft. Did we all play Curiosity Cube? I did? Yeah? Did you really play that thing? It play? You boom to be fair. I liked the idea a lot. I liked the mystery of the Oh yeah, yes, yeah, that was a great certainly got everybody talking and tapping. But the payoff was the al Capones vault of video games. Inside It's just like, here's three empty bottles. And all, we're all Heraldo. I'm just putting that phrase in the podcast description, but yeah,

you know, your curiosity happened. And then they ran the Goddess Kickstarter and it was basically like, hey, I'm gonna make another Populace was the gist of it. Thinking a god game with a bunch of grandiose promises about was his studio twenty two cans say we're making this? Yes? Uh? And you know they made a bunch of grandios promises about connected multiplayer and one big war old and blah blah blah, you know, PC version, Mobile version.

I don't remember the promises. I didn't follow the kickstarter teo. Mart I just remember downloading the first build of it that was available on Steam and thinking, this is barely again. It was very shaky. There was very little there. Uh Anyway, Anyway, the reason this is in the news is that it sounds like there is still not nearly as much there as there was supposed to be, or even as the development team would like there to

be. It's good that they're dissatisfied, because I imagine the players probably aren't. They're satisfied by the product either. Yeah, there have been some rumors going around about kind of resources running low, morale running low in the development. Some statements have gotten out there that kind of don't paint a it feels like it's it seems like a lot of current and former twenty two canzers.

Yes are speaking to the press anonymously. Yes. Forgive me. Forgive me for being all over the place with this, because there is a lot to parse here. Because part of the issue is that Mall News seems to have gone and begun a new project off to the side, and some of the people who were working on Goddess have now moved on to work on that. It's called the Trial. Uh is it? Is it a shareware version of Goddess, like a trial addition, I don't believe that's the case. Well

that's a problematic. Yeah, So so some Goddess team members of you know, producer Jemma Harris is named I have Oh I'm sorry, she departed the team, and then other members of the Goddess team have moved on to the Trial. That in itself doesn't bother me, because like, if he's if he's like mister Molly, you big old idea man, that he can just deliver a document and say like, this is what I think should be in this game. Make it. This is my part of Goddess. Go yeah,

okay, well tell tell me if this bothers you, okay. Core designer Conrad Nazinski made this comment about the state of Goddess to be brutally candidate and realistic. I simply can't see us delivering all the features promised on the Kickstarter page. A lot of the multiplayer stuff is looking serious shaky right now, especially the persistent stuff like the hub world. Goddess is rather confused right now. It plays like an ongoing persistent game without real endpoints, and yet

it's divided up into discrete levels. This is one of the big decisions we will need to make in the next couple of weeks. And again, realistically, I'm having to ask myself, how good can we turn what Goddess is right now into a good, complete experience, rather than how can we deliver on the Kickstarter pitch goals. Yeah, we are in the process of reevaluating the big picture direction of and end goal of Goddess. It's not an easy

or straightforward task, but I'll let you know when I can. So like on its own, no problems with that, right, that sounds like games in development, like shit will happen. It's only when you take it in the context of we set all this shit in order to raise money from the public and did it in an extremely public way, and now we're backing away from it, that it becomes a problem. Like they they both launched like a really crazy and not a legal problem, and it sounds like they have

no actual you know, to you know, kickstarters fail think things. Yeah, yeah, there won't be any accountability there that I'm aware of. But that's what I wonder about with with kickstarters. Let's say they just don't make the game and they don't ever release it. I mean, is there any like they don't return the money, like did they money and what happened? Yeah? I mean so it's so basically that is just something you have to

worry about when you back in your kickstarter. Is not pre ordering a thing? Yeah, so there is a good charity. That's why they have the risks and challenges section of a of a kickstarter. Now they didn't have it originally, but it's like, Okay, what are some things that could come up? They could totally derail your project? And they have to be like, well, I mean we've scoped out what we think the size of this thing is going to be. But it could always you know, we could

encounter weird bugs. We this could happen, This could happen, This could happen. Yeah, it's a it's a donation. Yeah, it's a donation with rewards for for backing it. It's not a pre order. But you are not guaranteed anything. No, no, no. But in this case, they ran a highly publicized promotional campaign with that stupid cube app. They traded on the kind of legendary name of Malannu to further hype this thing up, right, Like, you know, they kind of put a lot out

there in good faith to get people to to contribute money these things. You know, I think there are plenty of people doing right by Kickstarter and and you know, putting out their games. Stuff gets delayed because that that just happens. But like people are raising money and turning out products and making good on their goals and some some good games are coming out of it, and more over a lot of types of games that wouldn't get made otherwise. Yeah,

but but for Molineu and the people at twenty two cans. The only real consequence that they can possibly face is damage reputations, right right, you like severely damage reputation. Well, I mean, if you think about, like, you know, the kind of the joke that has surrounded Malaneu over this, you know, over this last generation or two ever since the first fable, i'd say, yeah, you know, like before that, before

that, before like at least as far back as Black and White. Oh yeah, I remember, I remember a huge outcry over Black and White when it came out. Yeah, yeah, I remember being severely disappointed. I really liked what it was. I still think it was an an okay game. But it's like, this isn't at all you could pick up the bills and fling him into the ocean yep when they angered you. I mean, his reputation is already like pretty tattered. This seems like it's been like a

running gag for a long time. But you're at that point now where it's like the gag hasn't necessarily been funny for a while, and now that you can kind of like backtrace this into people giving them money based on which is not probably not too different than what Maman who has been doing his entire career of going in there pitching his game to whoever holds the purse strings at a Microsoft or and EA or whatever, promising them the fucking world, and then

you know, pivoting three or four times over the course development. It's like the Rock Paper Shotgun interview makes it sound like that's how he's conducted himself this whole time. The only difference now is that it's he's conducted it in a very public way and secured money from individuals out there that are getting kind of taken for the first time, where someone like EA probably got taken a handful

of times. It doesn't surprise me, though, because I have never met anyone in this industry that is better at trying at selling you on his vision or like his genuine enthusiasm for something, even if like like I didn't really like People three that much. I didn't even finish it, Yeah, but I remember like interviewing him in like twenty ten for it or whatever, and

like he is one of the most naturally charismatic talkers I've ever seen. Like you just want to buy whatever that guy's selling because you believe that he believes in that project. And I expect that he probably fully does. Yeah, I have no reason to doubt that. But you know, like like I don't think he's up there trying to go like no at all, let's get on money bull Yeah, but you know, I think it's that. But you know, dreaming big is one thing, but then going and executing on

the dreams is quite another. Yeah, you know, and he may not be able to hold up that end of it as well. You know, I feel like buying large the games that he's been associated with haven't necessarily been bad. I think Goddess Is is a pretty bad game right now. I don't know if it would never be good, but like, you know, the stuff that Lion had did, the Frog stuff, like generally speaking, you know, whether it's true to the original vision or not, Like the

games are still pretty good. Yeah, and he's tried a lot of shit, like like a lot of new ideas have come out of his games, whether they worked or not. You know. So it's just one of those things like this thing just becomes nasty because it's happening in public, because Kickstarter

is involved. Well, yeah, it's happening in public, and also people's like a lot of individual people's money is on the line exactly as opposed to a big facefus corporation, which can you afford to write off losses and stuff

like that. And you know, granted probably most people put in like fifteen twenty bucks or whatever, it's not going to ruin anybody, but it's still you know, I think I saw Chris Kohler from Wired put it really well on Twitter, I think, where he said something along the lines of basically, Kickstarter is not a pre order and Kickstarter creators should be held to account or not like mutually exclusive ideas totally, like you should know going in you're

not necessarily going to get jack shit out of the money you put in the Kickstarter. But at the same time, people who promise things and get a bunch of money for it should be accountable to that to some degree. Yes, you know, absolutely so, I don't know, we're does that leave us like the Kickstarter free money train I think is super weird? It always

has been. Yeah, it's yeah, I mean we get I am constantly inundated from people that are in desperate points in their Kickstarter campaigns just trying to get people to write about it. And I was like, no, yeah, it makes it. It makes it hard to the point that like, even if there's something you see that you think looks really cool and would like to talk about and put eyes on, like you kind of can't. I

can't, you know, It's like I can. You know. It's like I've become a fairly decent judge of pre released products over the past couple of decades. I've seen a lot of them. But even still, just like watching someone's pitch video, You're like, I don't even know if this is real. I could be a hexan mod for all I know. I'd back that. Yeah, it's a miss. This whole thing is a mess. Yeah, and this is not even And then didn't he give multiple interviews where

each one he said, this is my final interview. I think I think they're released two where he said I'm done talking about there was there was the now from this Rock Paper Shotgun interview, which I have not read and its entirety, and I believe the interview he gave following that one is the one where you said I'm done. I'm want to say there was at least one after he said he was done. Yeah, that's the one with the Guardian. That's what I'm talking about. Well, no, maybe you're right.

I don't know if I can't keep up with the bread crunch trail, but I don't know what is It's like they you know, he's he's been out there talking about this stuff a little bit, and like, you know, the time frame that he gives for god us coming together into something resembling what it's supposed to be is quote months and months and months. So well that's not years and years and years. Well it could be. I guess it could be get enough months together it turns into years. Wait a minute,

I don't want to alarm you. He's fun in me here. Uh yeah, you know, there's it's in the wake of that interview, it turned into a whole different, ugly thing. Yeah, that's gotten even nastier and became difficult to keep track of everything that was being said. At some point interview. I would be curious to which it's it's. It seems it comes

across as extremely standoffish. Uh you know, go over to rock paper shot, going to read it's it's it's interesting regardless, I'm not gonna, you know, weigh in on there's the total appropriate or not, because I don't

know I don't. I don't really know him Alan. I don't know either the parties involved, And I would be interested to hear if there was an audio recording of that, if it actually is as tense and crazy as the text the texts scrant transcript makes it sound, or if they're like they've known each other for a while and on some level they're kind of fun and but kind of serious, or you know, whatever it is. But I think it's hard to kind of weigh in on that without knowing that piece of it.

But regardless, I mean, yeah, that goddess is not a quality product at the moment, and you know, will it ever become one? Like I don't think so who can say? And who knows what's will become of mal New's reputation well and career. But like you know, if you look like you talk about his reputation, but like you know, it's not like he was gonna like how many companies would be willing to like do business with Malan New, you know, post lion Head and stuff like that.

I mean, he probably wouldn't start his own company because it's not like no one's lining up to give him enough money to start a new studio and fund a whole new project. At this point, he's done it enough times to enough different companies that at some point they're probably like, you know, and that's we like Peter, We like that he you know, he's he's a great face for this stuff, and we can bring him out and do this, but the some of the things that come along with it maybe not worth

the investment. And and you know, at some point you gotta get out on your own, because yes, it's the only way it's gonna go, right Yeah, but you know, after this hubbub, like, it's hard to see how he could turn into crowdfunding again. Totally exactly, Yeah, I mean, yo, yes, I mean, who's gonna back a Molan

new project again after this? Right? That? That's your you know, which is why it's doubly crazy to hear that he's starting up yet another new project right now, right right, because because a thing you said you were going to do wasn't done yet, and be where's the money from going to come from for that? But who knows? Time will tell. I suppose not much to do if you back to got us at this point, but sit back and wait, Yeah, I guess, yeah, it's crazy times.

Yeah, uh, you know what else is crazy? Sony says, the Last Guardian is still in development. Wasn't there. I saw a bunch of tweets recently saying that yes, trademark ran out again or whatever, but so yeah, I was. I was about to put that story in the list of news for this week, but then Sony had just followed up. So yeah, the big headline was like, oh, Sony, let the Last Guardian trademark lapse. It's it's done. I feel like that headline is

popped up like every two or three years. All this was different because they've always renewed it, but this time they basically abandoned it. They had like their two month window to renew it or whatever, and someone forgotten did not I forgot to say, no, we're still doing that. So yeah, they Sony came out and said yes, A, yes, we're still making the game. B It was an administrative issue or something to that effect that

supposedly allowed if the trademark two laps. But that's kind of all there is to say there. It was a good twelve sixteen hours of people going ape shit, like oh God, they're finally killing it, and then here they come again saying Yep, we're still making it. It'll come out. Fucking what is it? Who's making it? I don't know. It doesn't matter. It matters insofar as I would like them to release it so we can move on with our lives. It's like it's just straight up Duke. It

is absolutely Duke of them forever. But hopefully this will be a good game. I don't know. I'm gonna guess it'll be out by holiday. Hopefully every game is a good game. Never like they never ever want a game to be bad, Yeah, because you know, every if more games are good, everybody benefits. Like it's insane for people to go like, why would you want it to be bad? Like, you don't want it to be bad, but if it is bad, you might as well at least

derive some entertainment value from its release. So this is the Duke forever or Chinese Democracy of the industry, right, sure, kind of. I'm gonna guess I think it's hard with this one because I feel like they haven't shown enough of it. For there's only status for a handful of trailers. Because he had Duke had a bunch of E three trailers come back like what ninety seven or something. Yeah, I mean Duke was in oh what was it.

Duke's in development for god like twelve years or something before it finally came out over fourteen. I want to say, like, this only got announced five years ago, six five, six, two thousand and nine is when it was announced. Seen, it feels like we've been living with the Last Guardian a lot longer. Yes, yeah, all you're saying Holiday twenty seventeen, that's where my money's gone. I can bet twenty seventeen, Holiday twenty

seventeen. I'm not gonna make a bet for something that might not happen for years and years, because who knows it will be out in calendar year twenty seventeen. I would I'm gonna say twenty sixteen. You sound really confidable about that. Oh, I would say twenty sixteen if I had to, if I had to put money on it, that would be my guests, because they have to look at you have to look at the timetable by which they've been talking about it as a thing that like, oh no, we're just

waiting to reintroduce it. We have some stuff in mind like that. Look at that dev cycle, like that was Day one twenty sixteen makes sense. I mean, you know, re announced that the three released this holiday is not out out of the realm, and I think it could be out this year absolutely. Yeah, I like that. We all seem pretty confident though that it'll be out within the next couple of years. That that's good. I don't think it's every coming again. All right, Drew's the one in

the center here, Okay, that would be really disappointed. Yeah. Again, we don't know enough about it. I guess on some level, but is it even that game anymore? Because on some level you're like, that's what I'm saying. I want the people that made Eco to make more games because that was a legendary game. Blah blah blah blah blah. And then

but is it still that No? Well, so I was gonna say, like, you know, uh waita said Fumi Toda, who is the kind of the guy the director has in the past, said that his contribution to the project was completed quote a long time ago, and then he gave an interview in December. I guess, so far as he's concerned, it was a persistent world god game where you tap on the collems to make dots appear, and he was like, fuck it, I'm making this other thing now.

So I guess In an interview that he gave in December, he said that development of the game was moving forward under quote completely new conditions. So whether that means it moved from PS three to PS four or it's referring more to the group of people working on it, right, Yeah, point Sony steps in and says we've put a lot of Yeah, Buckethead comes out, yeah, and says we've put a lot of money into this project. You need to step the fuck aside so we can do our jobs. Possible,

Yeah, maybe, very possible. I mean when you think about like, you know, it's just a japan studio, just like a lot of the stuff coming out of Sony's Japanese arm has been weird lately, you know, you look at the earthquake. You know, it's like all kinds of stuff that has happened over those last five years or however long it's been. Yeah, I mean I said it would be disappointing if it didn't come out, and you said, really, Uh, to clarify, I have abandoned any

expectations that the game will be good. Yeah, I just want to know what it turns out to be, Like, it would be very disappointing to never see an end result from yes, like at some point it's more of a historical curiosity or a novelty, yeah, than it is like, Oh, I think this game is gonna be amazing and like the like the you know, kind of creative embodiment of one man's vision or whatever. You know, like this thing may have been deluded eighteen times, and this one you

hold hands with the monsters. They're combining both, Okay, but when the monster gets to level three, man's just gonna hold both of his hands unbeatable. Yeah, you know it just it would be nice for there to be some kind of coda to this dumb saga. I do like that we still have these mythical beings. Yeah, you gotta have at least one that didn't give it time, you know, Matt half Live three. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that video games continue to be difficult to make. You want

to put your you want to put calendar year on half five three? Nope, Holiday twenty seventeen, nope. Fucking come on, man, it's gonna be a big holiday. See Valve. Valve doesn't give a shit about holiday releases. Twenty seventeen calendar year. I will agree with you that twenty seventeen seems like the right year. Okay, all right, but it's twenty fifteen now right, Yeah, yeah, that's fear. Yeah, I'm gonna say twenty seventeen, cool with you? Cool, all right, okay. And

it will not be announced ahead of time. It will just come out. It's gonna be bro home. We're gonna get a press release and then like a week later it's out. Seven will just get like an email from Doug Lombardi saying like, hey, half Live three's out. I don't know. That'd be awesome. I would love that. Are you guys? Are you

guys sold on it being Half Life three? I think it'd be way funnier if they just finally put out a Half Life two episode three four same source engines because they did say it was going to be a trilogy of episodes, right, did they say? I don't know what they said. I'm positively announcement. There's a specific talk from people at Valve where they use terms like episode three yeah, and I want to say that. There was also a specific talk after that saying like yeah, the episodic modeling. Oh, like

they had said publicly like we're not going to do that again. Yeah, maybe not interesting, Okay, I don't know at this point. That's a hard paper trail to especially like the reported stuff and unreported stuff. It's like all this stuff in the middle, like it's a lot of weird ship that's absolutely true. Also, I will say, just like Duke Forever and Last Guardian, Half Life three is more of a curiosity to me at this point that anything I actually want to play, absolutely just like I will play it.

I'm curious to see what it is, but kind of don't care anymore. I'm not a yes, I want to believe I have a healthy, distant respect for Half Life that is completely detected. You want to make it so good, you want to make another one good, you want to not make another one good. I don't care. Yeah, make it. Do what you want to do, do something. Half Life one hugely important to the history video games. Half Life two a very good game that is consistently

kind of overrated by everybody except for me. Physics, it is important. The physics of Half Life two important, but like it was not a fucking ce change the way that the Half Life one was no Like Half Life one was like, here is a structure that you have never fucking seen in the first person shooter before. Guess I don't know, Like here is an entire new way of telling a story in this type of action game that has never been done. At the time, I had the fucking went for it again.

Maybe it's just a virtue of me not liking the game that much. But at no point playing Half Life one was I like, this is driving things forward. I was just like, man, it's no okay, shooter, Sin did it? Yeah, I want to talk about a game Sin. Look, I love Sin. Come on, I can't it Jeff, alright, fair enough, But yeah, I don't know. At no point playing Half Life one was I likely did I feel like the whole time playing Half Life two, I was like, this is amazing. Yeah it was.

I mean, yeah, it was a really impressive game, but it was more incremental than the first one, you know, in terms of kind of what it added to the genre anyway, But I forget the genre, like I think Half Live two is importance has nothing to do with shooters and all that sort of stuff, Like yeah, whatever, it had this open world vehicle bullshit, pacing stuff. It's it's literally the physics. It's what that game did for physics that then everyone did in every game after that.

Like, that's the stuff, uh that that is important about Half Live two still, and I'd say that stuff to me in two games that that followed, I'd say, that's more important than what Half Life one did. Are you saying without Half Life two, there's no psy ops? Yea all right case, just make it sure here, Okay, now I hear what you're saying. Last already out, that will come out sometime. Let's move on a four. Yeah, all right, our last and most important story.

I want to hear each of your hot ideas. And I know you've been sitting on for years for the following ips GEX an acronox or fear effect. What is the second one? You've never heard of? An acronox. It's a real time strategy game that I on Storm. It's an RPG, it's a JPG. It's uh so, Tom Hall, one of the guys who made Doom left and went to Eye on Storm was the RTS Didion Storm.

That was God's Dominion Storm over Gifts seven. I believe just read all kinds of weird shit about if you dig in to that Dallas Observer article from years ago, right, uh, an Acronox was Tom Hall's kind of love letters to Japanese RPGs built with the Quake two engine. Was it PC only? Yes? Okay, everything he just said explains why I have not heard of that. Did it? Ever? It never came out on an I don't

think it did. But yeah, they basically gets on sixty four, the Predio game that eventually came to other They made numerous GUS games, but only only one in that Secret Agent GEX entered the Gecko. There Graham in one, or just a girl that looked like Heather Grahm. They never selling it, and there's a girl on the thing. Danta Gould was the voice of GEX. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was on numerous systems. He had sunglasses. Yep. He was a Gecko. He was. He was

the Geico Lizard, but a video game character. You know. GEX was a platform. The mascot also ran yeah in the area in an era that was rotten with lover post Bubsy world. Yes. Uh. The reason I bring this up is that Square Enix is out there taking pitches for people's ideas about what to do with these properties Gus versus air, four skaters, five pitch m They don't meet, They don't mention any any cross licensing, trans media opportunities. I gotta stay with N square. So you might be uh,

might be sol on that one is there? Does anybody want new Gux games or even fear for that matter, Come up with a great new guess idea and maybe they will. Like Fear Effect is a thing that, like at the time, was very interesting and had an edge to it that a lot of games didn't have. But I remember it's marketing campaign was Yeah, I don't I know, I know very little about Fear Effect. They were playing up the sex angle, like, yeah, elevator scene, all that

sort of. All I remember was their shitty marketing campaign. I don't even know anything about what the second one. I think the second ones where they really ramped up that stuff. I think. So, I think you're right, But I feel like there's nothing to pull from all right, mean whatever, not to say there are no stories and things to that game, but like making a new Fear Effect, like you might as well as be starting

over. Yeah, I feel like the brand affinity is barely there. I feel like it would be like when they made spec Ops the line and it was like, do you really need spec Ops on there? It would be a lot like that. Yeah, whereas like Gus, everyone knows Gus's staying gould Up too. I don't know. I don't know. That's a good question. Is he still on Simpsons? No, he's on there for a long time writing. Oh I think he's long gone from that. Okay, so he's pretty good live. Yeah, I've seen him. He's good.

Yeah, he's maybe better than a lot of people give him credit for. Uh. So there are a lot of steps in between here, but but generally, the idea is your picture idea to square. They put it up vote if it gets enough attention and they like it. What wait, they're building some kind of fucking reality show around this bullshit They're they're putting it in front of the community to vote on, almost like a steam green light type thing. From the sound of Okay, Gus crash lands on a planet and

a spaceship splits into a bunch of different parts. How h he came from the planet Gexitron. I'm liking this and uh, he has to go around uh and find a piece of a spaceship and then find an elevator, and then that elevator takes him to a different plane. So this is a reboot to reimagine going going back to the origin story of the lizard. Yeah, I can't tell if you're referencing Pickman or grow Home because both of them kind of have the similar brand new No, if you fall down, there's a

hot tub. All right, if you fall down, there's a hot tub. I'm in. I'm sold. Is it limited? Yes? The hell are you guys talking about tomatoes? I would probably take Guts and just insert him into a pastiche or a melding of a ton of different Final Fantasy games, like re envisioned Final Fantasy stories, but have guts somehow leaving his way through the cannon, inserting himself into these situations. And why is cracking about how dumb they all was? That always was like it was kind of media

parody, always the guess gimmick or was that only later on? I feel like one of them he was one game specifically, I think was that it wasn't always it was like surfing through tannels and stuff and like getting inserted them different movies and stuff. Yeah, okay, Yeah, so I would I would do that. That That is my pitch. All right, So that's the Final Fantasy seven remake we get, yes, exactly, you you re you redo a lot of Final Fantasy seven assets in New High Rez. But

it's for a fucking guess game. Like they put the full budget they would put towards an actual remake of seven. But you have to play a game I want to fucking twenty minutes summon animation that at the end of it's just a bigger lizard. Well, unfortunately for you, squar is not willing to

put any money against these ideas. Oh fantastic because once you go through yeah, like what, once you go through this process of having the community vet your idea and then having them sign off on it, and you actually get to the point that they're gonna let you make the game you want to make. Yeah, you have to go crowdfunded? Fuck you wait? What off? Yes, if the response is good, then it's onto crowdfunding, which

no doubt begs an important question. Why ask gamers to pay for a game to be made if it's using our ip Well, because it was still we're too scared. Well here's the I mean, yeah, so well, because it will still be the responsibility of the independent developer to build the game, and the developer will still be the key beneficiary of its success. I don't

know if you guys care about percentages, I can keep going. On the business side, We'll still take five percent of net crowdfunds raised, assuming the initial target is reached, and we will also distribute the game when it's done. For that, we take the standard distribution fee of ten percent net sales revenue, but will also charge a ten percent license fee for the use of the IP And obviously we'll have more involvement in the direction of development because let's

fake it. Sorry, let's face it. We want to make sure the game that's released is the game that's promised. So like I liked it, it's written in a very standard language of like, let's face it, this thing's fuck. Let's face it. We're being crazy. Let's face it. We want to taste at the front and the back. I mean, the way they sum it up is that that means the developer will keep eight percent of the net revenue from sales of the game. And who knows, maybe

we'll be interested in licensing a c quel as well. Who knows. Wait, so do you pitch the idea and they develop it or do you have to have a development team ready to make the idea? No, I think that's all on you. So like, if I want to do that, I would have to have a developer pitching stuff. But it's not enough. Like this is this is like the equivalent of like them doing g DC meetings but doing it on their fucking message boards. But you still need to develop

the game yourself. And best case scenario, I get twenty percent, which is like you get to use the guest's name. They're skimming, they're skimming five percent of the crowd funds and then they're taking so specifically those three ips where they just like use those as examples of just like we have a lot

of fucking dumb ship. Oh, they specifically list out those three ips Urban Chaos, and they say, we have more ips than we may open up in the future, but we'll start with these and see what the response is. Like, So, what is your favorite lapsed IDOS franchise and the like see come Back Kane and Lynch. There you go. By time, they made a third one of those, they do backyard wrestling, They did doc

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. No, no, no, don't want to bring the i CP out of retirement and want to care about legacy of Kine anymore. Uh, I don't do. They're still doing that. They made something like weird multiplayer Scotty is said in that universe is yeah, never gonna come out. I think I think it's like still in beta. Okay, I'm not sure specifically. It's a weird thing. You know, the Genesis version of Strider two. I think that's technically oddos a

US gold or something. Is that the same game as the PlayStation Strider two? Okay, because the PlayStation Strider two is really good. Yeah, that was an arcade game. Originally it was like all kind of official and on the up and up. This was like they licensed out and had some other people make it. This like the Snake's Revenge. Yeah, okay, Yeah, this is an odd thing. Yeah, that's a really weird, really curious, really weird thing for Square to do. Yeah, really curious to

see what games, if any, come out of this this thing. I should let people do, like a New Day of Sex game. People might actually want that. Yeah, that name is probably way too too valuable to just turn over. Well, what I is, what I was getting at there is that they are probably doing that and should just fucking do that maybe, if I mean, assuming they already are, like get on with it. Oh well, it's probably happening anyway you would think, you would think.

But at the same time, it feels like that enough time has passed that they like the heat they gained by that games, that last game's popularity isn't there as much, and I'm like, what three plus years since I came out, like they'd be able to rekindle some of it, like all right, day sex that last one was cool. Well, you know, they did Thief in the interim and that didn't go as well. So right,

Uh, we'll see what happens with the stuff. But if you have any good ideas for these properties, you can email Collective at squaredash innex dot com with the ideas. Meanwhile, you can email BombCast at giant bomb dot com if you have any emails for this podcast. I had to like that one. Yeah, if you want to. If you want to pitch the following ips, send us your ideas, for which you will surrender to crowdfund money for t n T. Send us for pitches some of your ideas for

which you will surrender in on all ownership exactly. We own every email, the kind of stuff such as this one from Jason Halo mcc still broken. Frowny face. What do I do with my Xbox One? Not play fucking Halo? Yeah? If you bought an Xbox One to play hold Halo games, you fucked up. They make machines to play those that may and that it may in fact be the case. Here hey bombcasts Jason from Illinois. Here, I bought the one to play the Ship out of Halo master Chief

Collection. You're fucked up all right? Sadly that game is still pretty broken and at this point I don't even want to play it. Is there anything coming out soon that is worth playing? Or should I take the loss and sell my system? Did you play Sunset Overdrive? Yeah? There's some good games out there, some more promising looking games coming. I mean, you know, if you if you're that big a Halo fan that you bought a system to play old Halo games, you probably want to hang onto it for

New Halo for less than a year when you can play. Yeah, New Halo is my is my feeling, especially if you got it at the discounted price. But who knows. But yeah, you know, I mean you might as well have a console, right, Yes, you might as well have the console. Five percent of games are coming out on both consoles these days, so you might as well have one of them, I suppose, and get your Halo later on. There's not a lot of eventually in that

response. I guess that, yeah, there will be a Crackcown eventually, you could play Cold Decept. Those forts of games seem to be going pretty well. Phantom Dust Anthom Dust just coming. Sorry, Phantom Dust and not Cold Aceept same thing. I don't know, I will both come out. What are video games? We're confirming here exclusively an Acronox is coming, but mayan Acronox. Did you see they canceled the beta for the next patch for

Master Chief Collection. Did you see that they were offering a beta for They see that they were looking to beta tests, so they were going to members of the Xbox Preview program. Yes, they have now canceled that initiative. They will not be I don't know, they will not be beta testing the patch, like when when they said they were going to beta test a patch that looked bad somehow retracting that looks even worse. I don't even know what, Like, what the fuck is going on over there? Got me?

Man? You got me? I bet most of the three four three is very hard to work on ALA five right now. Yeah, they don't have time to fuck around with those ship. Who knows what is happening with the game that already came out and was busted? Hey, anybody fixed that yet? Fix what? And the Halo? Yeah, I mean the beta went well. We're working on Yeah, with the multiplayer beta was great. We're working on the old one. We're like five months. It's away from content

complete, like all the old ones, they're all broken. What then not do the work? If this game's all one games of the year in their respective release, it's called Bungee. I leave us alone. We're working on Halo. They want to answer, they want to return my calls. Yeah, what a surprise. It's a deplorable situation. Uh. Mark from Moncton, New Brunswick monkedin. Yes, how you say that? He writes down about Mortal Kombat tens, brutalities, babalities and fashion trophies. Yeah, I

like everything this guy is proposing. Last week, you guys talked about Mortal Kombat. I'm sorry, did I say ten? I don't remember, I say X. Okay, last week you guys talked about MK X, and the ensuing discussion got me thinking. One brutality is maybe lame, but if they use them with the X ray feature, you could see each bone individually break and explode into nine rib cages. That would look cool. Yes, but only if each bone somehow miraculously transforms into a rib cage. Oh.

Absolutely no, I think that's that's the whole point here. You're getting like, yeah, three or three to five complete skeletons out of each character at some point. That's value minded. I like that. Two. The faction rewards will probably be stuff like backgrounds. But what would you like to have? I'm thinking the characters could wear a crown like in Mario three d land or they bleed gold blood or something. I want custom fatalities like design your

own fatality. No, like like faction specific fatality? Oh oh you like the exclusive ones that you can only use while your faction is ahead or whatever? Yeah? Interesting, any character could be in any faction, right, yes? Okay? And three, considering the last MK game had babalities and this one takes place twenty five years later. Could it be possible that some

characters got babalified and that would explain why they still look so young. If any series was going to do something that's stupid, they would do that. This character got turned into a baby in our last game and is a full is a as a young adult again. Would be way more into the idea that you do a baybality to old ass Kung Lao and he turns into MK. Yeah, that's also pretty good. This is the series that took a guy on fire in the background on a bridge and turned him into a playable

character, Blaze. People did that Blaze. It was all like the horn Buckle fucking ship, what are you talking about? Like the name of that that was there was like the other Luke Kang. It was like, it's just names Hornbuckle. Everyone knows that and like no, no, but they the guy on fire and the bridge on the pit two back there. It was in one of the later ones, like Armageddon or something, there was a character named Blaze, and I think his like official lore as he was

that guy that was on fire back. Maybe it is. I mean, fucking mocap was a character, right, yeah, meat, they took a glitch and turned her into a DLC real character, that character, and I love how that series does stupid shit and just with a smile on their face. It's the best. Yeah yeah, some of that stuff. All right, sure, it's a great series, Uh neil from a town in Washington that I'm going to pronounce yallop? Sure did you get that like that?

Probably don't wait? Uh wright Son about car hacking Comma airplane Quality. Regarding last week's discussion on what to call hacking your car, he suggests ebreaking as in b r okaka. All right, yeah, yeah, that's a good one. Also, I wanted to let you know that I've shared the podcast with quite a few co workers over the last few years. We work in

the aerospace industry around Seattle. Next time you get on a plane, you can rest easy knowing your standard of quality and dedication have inspired and motivated us. All right, great, thanks for that frightening uh Josh and Athens Georgia. Right, there's a lot of great airplane museums up there. I believe it just take a few more days, do it? Josh and Athens,

Georgia. Right. Son about Trusted reviewers, Dear Bomb guys. For a long time, the Bomb crew solution to review subjectivity has been that gamers find one or more reviewers whose opinions parallel their own and rely upon their views. And with the crew all chiming in on the BombCast, that was easy to do. I found that guy on your staff. But then you vanished Vinny

to the barren wasteland and I am once again runnerless. But the splitter jib on, have you guys reconsidered a staff take section on reviews where we can see what game of each of the I'm sorry, let me try it again, where we can see what each of the staff thought about any particular game they've played, summarized in a handful of sentences. I mean, isn't that

what we're doing on the podcast? Kind of yeah, I think he's asking for something a little more formalized that would kind of I don't know, this comes up every every few months or years, you know, It's like something that would kind of sit alongside a main review kind of yeah. I mean, we have the ability to do that in the system right now. It's just it's not really a priority at this point. We have At this point

everything we do has an opinion attached to it. Yeah, uh so, like that stuff kind of gets out there and the quick looks and yeah, across the board, and in a lot of cases, getting that stuff out there in the context of a review in a timely manner is not really life possible. Yeah. Yeah, you know, like we don't we get a copy. Yeah, more often than not we get one copy of the game before release. And you know, even if we had him, a lot

of people don't have time to play through the game. It's not like the old review crew days were like four people who could play a whole game before you know, it gets to print or something. Games were shorter and those guys had a month to fuck around to do nothing before they had to go to print. Yeah uh so it's a nice thought, but it's pretty hard to pull off. Anthony in San Antonio writes in about John Romero's eBay activity.

John Romero is advertising his eBay listings for metal CDs and seventy eight hundred games via Twitter. What the fuck was advertising? Because I just went and bought all that shit. No, I didn't, but that's pretty awesome. I would buy some seven months from John. I might go look at the stuff Romero is selling and see that's that that makes me feel more than a little creepy. But I I don't care. If you go to his profile, can you see also what he has bet on M I don't know,

it'd be fun. I don't know. He's what has John Romero bought from eBay? Sure? Also, why why would a guy like Romero want to get rid of seventy eight hundred games? It seems like something you'd want to hang on to promise doesn't need him? Yeah? Maybe? Uh? Johan and Sweden, as a question inspired by the Quake live segment on upf Yes got him thinking, did Jeff ever play the id cross Interscope collaboration map where you got doctor Dre and Eminem skins and music to use? Yes, because

that was some magic cross media strategy was considering. It was the fucking considering. It was fucking the year two thousand and cross media was barely fucking invented. He's really riled up about the subject. Yeah, it's yeah, I am too, we all are. How did they distribute that thing? Was just a free promotional thing, and the Eminem model just had was giving a middle finger. The whole time with one of the holding the gun. Was

it like a Chronic two thousand and one thing. There was just different music that would play different spots in the level and you'd run around and like, I just forgot about dre in the background. Actually I was playing on that level at some point last year that the map was ported to, like Xenotic and some of these other source port games, uh that that are based on those engines, And you can still get in there and do and then load it up. All right, maybe I put play it at n Io Quake

three. I forget exactly, but but at some point I was on that map and it's not a great map. No, does it have any custom art? Like does it still? Yes, it looks like the streets it has billboards for the album and stuff around. Okay, well ableast they went all the way with it. Yeah, No, it's it's it was a really fucking weird thing that they did. What was the music included? Was

it just straight up cuts from the album? Cuts from the album, like like shortened, looped, and then like if you ran into the club in the level the song was playing, and you know, as you ran away from it, it would you know, fade out magic, pure magic. I would love to know how that thing came about. Yeah, who was running interscope at the time, Jimmy, I mean I figured big quick guy. Yeah. I was gonna say maybe his kids were in the quake or

something. Who knows. Looking forward to quake by Dre, it's gonna be very huge. Yep, weird stuff. Uh, Kyle, Yes, traversal in open world games, you're not Kyle. No, you can't fool me, Sup, bomb squads up? You know. Oh, I've been mostly playing open world games lately because every game is an open world game lately. How do you guys feel about fast travel? In terms of game design? It's convenient, sure, But in games in which getting around is actually fun.

I find Farkry four it's buzzer to be fun to fly around in, for example, I rarely use fast travel. Do you think fast travel is overused and gives developers an excuse to have a pretty bland open world At some point it just removes the open world element because you're only going to mandated locations. I think, you know, like he brought he brought up Parkry four, and I think it does a good job of there's enough stuff off the

beaten Path that you can't just fast travel too. They're like, you know, I use fast travel, but I also use the buzzer a whole bunch. Yeah, you know, the little locations that are marked on the map with collectibles and stuff like, they do give you some incentive. Yeah, it's to roam around. But I still fast travel like a mother in that

game. I do it in everything, and I can believe in their skyram or fall out or anything, as long as you go by the rule of like, well, if you've gotten there on foot or via vehicle or horse or whatever it may be, then yes you can travel there. But yeah, give me stuff off the beaten path, so I can't explorer, get on the horse and red dead and look around or whatever. Dying Light is a weird outlier, yeah, recently in that it's an open world game that

does not let you fast travel, I found that to be frustrating. I've kind of come to appreciate it in a way. But I'm like MAXI level on everything practically at this point, and I'm just fucking booking through the city anyway, so it kind of doesn't matter, and it lets you run into a lot more of the little like kind of ambient events that happened and stuff like that. I get why you would not have it in a game like

that, and also why that could work. The world map in that game is kind of small enough, that's not really the end of the world. Also, the game is designed in such a way that you don't really need to go back to that area you started in. Then there's no reason to

do it boring entire map traversal. Sure, I'm trying to remember. Could did Bullie have a fast travel because I remember liking spending a lot of time just kind of like biking around that talent and stuff because it was small enough and there are all these fun little ways to get around, and I don't remember. I don't think it did. I feel like I just rode my bike around a lot. Yeah, you might be right. I think it's great. I'll take your forward for it. It's great. I don't think

I'm ever gonna played at this point. You never played Bully. I've bought it twice. I think it's so good. I went on Steam and then I think I bought it again on three played the Steam version recently, and the controller stuff is a little weird. Some of it it might be a little hard to go back to. I thought repeatedly about like playing it on the site or something. The three sixty one is really good. That's when I went back to a couple of years ago and played through again. Still

good, I've got that one, bullying bread. I'll keep thinking about it. Watched fucked up, That's what it was. Broke, was it? Yeah? See I played. I remember reviewing the original PS two one when it came out, and then not getting scholarship edition right away. No, I think I reviewed the we one of that, which whatever, and then a few years later it's like, you know what, I just want to play the three sixty one, and so I guess they had ironed out whatever

was sucked up about it. So yeah, I probably played through that like three times. It's great. The early parts of that game, we have to go to class and stuff like kind of dragged for me going back to it. I kind of like the novelty of these stupid little mini games and stuff. Yeah, no, like like I thought that stuff was fine. It was just like they kind of hammer you with it up front a lot that I don't want to do this right now. Ye understandable. It's charming.

Yeah, I'm probably not pronouncing this right, but Jacob from Poland, that's probably not not familiar with Theatan's now it's of Polish, okay. Anyway, trying to get about Game of the Generation M. I've been waiting for a year now since Driving game M. Yeah, sure, don't stay tuned. I've been waiting for a year now since current gen began. But where

is Game of the Generation? I know Jeff will probably pick Burnout Paradise, but I would love a legitimate discussion or premium video thing where you discuss and maybe play contenders for a few hours, simply best Xbox three sixty game, best PS three game, and best game of the generation Red Dead Redemption. I don't think we would do best Xbox three sixty, best PS three whole specific game. Yeah, you would just cram it being the same game.

Yeah, sure, you just lump we in there. Sure, P three and can Yeah, and you can kind of always like for a multi platform game, you would just defer see the best version of the game. Yeah, which in a lot of cases, you know, the virgins are pretty similar anyway. Yeah, I think we would have to drop like handhelds and PC discussion just in order to because hestablished some parameters, PC is two fluid, you know it. You know the boundaries are weird there, and the

handhelds overlap and have different hardware. You know, it is kind of a three console race at that point, I think this idea has gotten a lot more interesting since Dan shown up. Well, I would say, with a bullet and no pun intenda there Red Dead And then that's why you want to do it is specifically because you have like a fucking some assistance in this BULLSHITD Dead camp. It's great on team Red Red Dad here. I would have to go back and look again, but I'm pretty sure. Yes, the

only thing that comes close to me is the Galaxy games. I just kind of care there. But yeah, but yeah, Red Dad is my favorite game, but I will back it is. It's just a great game. That's I've heard tell of the posterous I've heard tell of you not being a big We've actually never talked about. Yeah, I've been not a big fan of Red Den. Yeah I've heard that. Yeah, cowboys dumb. I don't know, like the coolest thing. The guns are lame and all that.

Games you just slow down time, shoot guys on the head off off of horses riding horses wasn't funnies brownies on a wall and some guy did a bad thing. You gotta go find where he is and shoot him to death or like time up and put him on a railroad track. It's it's incredible, and then go play poker. It's it's the coolest shit. I still think it's the idea that like playing poker in an open world video game, but it fits so well. But that put that town what is that town

called? That's on like the marsh, and like it's such a fucking perfect like Rogues Gallery one up in the northeast, den of iniquity, like that little yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I can't like, like, I like honestly can't really have this conversation with you because I was so put off by that game I stopped playing. It's the perfect place to play poker in a video games exactly. I normally don't give a shit about these little side games or whatever, like, oh you can do this, dumb there,

you can bowl in GTA four, I don't care about that. But playing poker in a saloon and Red Dead like just felt like the right dan like looking around all the dudes around yet, like it's just full of scoundrels, liars, dice and you take a whiskey shot crashing through billboards in a car. I mean that was all right, Yeah, the driving the Carbon X twelve. Let's not let's not have this debate. Actually right now, you don't felt good the feel of a plastic guitar in your hands. Oh yeah,

that's all right, the feel of the drum sticks. You've got no argument with Burnout or Rock Band of those games great games. Yeah, I know Red Dead like but even both. But if we're having this conversation, it's like it's we Sports. It's wait, we're talking about our personal I don't think we can defer to like we're talking about personal cultural impact here because we're talking about game of the generation, like we want to do separate personal

lists. We Sports is an incredibly important game, but like I wouldn't put it anywhere within a mile of my top ten. Yeah, it's totally different conversation if it's personal or if it's because yeah, we Sports is a age your contender. If we're talking about just the gaming lands, like huge respect for what they did with that thing, but like I would not go back and play it. I did not play a lot of it at the time, you know, like I played it. It was very interesting, but

a lot of that it was really cool at the time. I ended up playing quite a bit of it. We Bowling was just a go to you talk about, like dorm games and stuff. So I was in college when that came out, and that was the thing we did all the time. It is just we would get we would get crowds in my apartment that would just go back after the bars and we would all take turns playing we bowling. Yeah, the bowling in the tennis both. I feel like we're just

like the like holy crap. Yeah, well those were the proofs of concept, like this ship works. Yeah, it was perfect at hiding the weaknesses. It was Nintendo Land didn't do well enough, which you could tell they thought it was going to do that. You remember that E three where it was like most of their booth was Nintendo Land. This is not going to be you know, I mean that the deeper, the deeper problem there is that we U Gimmicks doesn't have the pick up and playing us that the version

did. Yeahs, so you could tell your grandma like, hey, all you gotta do is swing it like a tennis racket, whereas like the Weu, it's like, well, you could manage your inventory better on the screen if you're playing Zelda, like that doesn't really work. Yeah, asymmetric multiplayer Grandma, I'm the Gumba. Yeah yeah. Red Dead has the most atmospheric

open world ever conceived. It was just riding it just like, yeah, watching the sunset and stuff while you're doing the hunting steps riding your horse, and the music is perfect. Like I felt a little weird about how much I was enjoying and like exploring this fake landscape. Yeah, it's like I should probably go outside and look at the real like feel some real sunshine. I'm with you. That was like Sex and the Mercies. But this is

so well built. It's one of those things that seemed really pretty. And then everything about the gameplay just put me off from minute one, Oh it gets good, and got two point where I was like, well when does it get good? Because I put I put hours into it. You you upgrade, You're shooting pretty fast to the point that you're just like six guns and guys off a horse is left and right and so much side quest stuff

is really good too, Like I love the hunt and stuff. That's the other thing is that, like this, it's the one and only time, like even counting GTA five, that rock Star has like really filled an open world with a bunch of really cool stuff. Yeah, like rocks, rock Star might be my favorite developer, but the only game of theirs that I

have loved enough one hundred percent was Read Option. Did every single thing you can do in that game exactly rock Star San Diego then, or what I'm saying, Like, you know, I adore, like you know, GTA five. I think it's a brilliant game, but I don't want to do every little thing in that game, you know. But Red Dead It's like I want to be in this world as long as you will give me stuff to do it this world. I did exactly the same thing. Everything that

there was to do in that game I did. I remember getting back from a trip and walking to the game stop to buy it because I don't remember why exactly I decided to walk and getting that and Alan Wake, yeah, same time. It was like an April or May release, that's right, yeah, twenty ten I think it was. And then and then getting back to the house and going like, all right, I'm gonna play both these games. He's both. I hear, they're fucking awesome. They look great.

It's over two man. I like Alan Wake two. I don't like, there's some cool stuff in Allan Wake, all right, Jeff, Alan Wake. I would be more likely to go back and give Alan Wake another shot than read Wow, that's crazy, tea. Everything about the handling of the weaponry and everything about Red Dead was just that setting, Like, I mean, are you not like an old spagetti Western, Like I know it's not, Yeah, I like, I don't have any particular reverence for that

kind of like cinematic tradition. But even that, even even I I would be more likely to watch movies than play a game setting it because of some of the things that happens with when you get guns that old oh okay, and and some of the stuff that goes into that. But it's never like Deadwood or anything or never that's such an adherent of the head shot. I'm amazed you're not more interested in No, I mean the thousands of headshots you pull in that game. I am good at head at shooting things in the

head. It does not mean that I think that it is enjoyable or now do it from a horse. A guy beat me at poker in that game. After a long game, I tied him up, put him on the back of my horse, took him to the most like bear infested part of the woods, threw his tied up body on the ground while he was alive, threw bear bait on him, and then rode away as bears bait. That is a fucking great game. That's ridiculous. But none of that's like part of the game that's awesome. I just decided to do that. Dude.

You do a lot of that shit in that game. Yeah. And that's the thing is the actual like game stuff like this, the missions and stuff, even the ship in Mexico that people seem to hate. I loved all that. Sho thought Mexico was fun. Like that's not That's not how I played GTA at all, like any of Like I'm gonna go do something random, like I got that. What I'm saying, you don't have to go looking for it though, it finds you in that game like that.

That's what I mean when I say I think it's the only game that rock Stars made again, including five GT five that like has interesting dynamic stuff going on in it all the time. Yeah, I'm not talking about this random

stuff. Like it's not like GTA where you're just putting in a bunch of codes, like, oh, I got all these weapons and I'm writing a hovercraft around like not like that, Like stuff like I was pissed that that guy beat me at poker and that the tools are in the game where like if I want to feed him to bears, I can do that, or like you've picked up a wanted poster and the guy you're going after it has

given you a bunch of trouble and you're like fuck you. Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's and the actual story stuff, not just the random stuff for the dynamic stuff. Right. I love the story. I love the story missions, all the side stuff. It's just it's a fucking damn near perfect game to me, one of the best endings ever all two games. Yeah. Yeah, it's one of the few video games stories I really get.

The way the way the last forty five minutes to an hour that game is handled is is a fucking masterclass and how to end the video game. Oh yeah, which is something a lot of people don't do very well. True, Apparently we need to revisit that idea at some point. Now we're good based on Allen Waite Game of the Generation's right, all right? Uh, here's an email from D. M. Stern. I hope he doesn't mind me reading his full name, but I love it when people use their

initials as their name sounds so official. It's a dudgeon master commands respect. He's writing in about The Great Gianna Sisters. Okay, just follow up on the last upf The Great Gianna Sisters was developed by Rainbow Arts in Germany, but although folklore has it that Incidos sued them, more recent researches revealed that the developers pulled the game voluntarily and there was never a court case. Rainbow Arts later got in similar troubles over their horizontal schmupp pardon use of that term,

katakas did that ring any bells? Ka kim I'm sorry ka ta ki s yeah, which Activision claimed was too similar to our type, which they had the home computer rights to, and it was to fate. When Activision's original porting studio were unable to complete the C sixty four version, they gave the work to Rainbow Arts, who develop a new port in just seven weeks, allegedly using a lot of the Takas code. A code as base makes sense. Yeah, for a strange Factor five did that game relative to the

Amica version? Weird? Huh? Well, Fact five is also a German developer. I wonder if there's yeah cross pollinations. Okay, so I was looking at Factory five. Anyway, he ends with. For a real strange artifact of the eight bit piracy scene, have a look at the Gamer's Guide.

It was a discmag published by Swedish group Triad between nineteen ninety and ninety five at the very tail end of the C sixty four's life, and its main function was to rate and rank cracks from all the different groups still active on the platform. Cracks were scored on timeliness of release, size and number of files, with extra credits given for added features like cheets and high score

saving or bugs of the original game fixed. Of course, this was accompanied by pages upon pages of greets, rumors, interviews, scene news, and bickering news. Oh, it's the best threats and bickering. It sounds outstanding. Yep, we should go back and find that. Yeah, I would like to see that. I'm not clear if I assume it was a print thing if it was put out in the early nineties. Oh, I'm sure it had to be. I'm sure it was practually a Property four disc that

you would download. Oh is that what disc mag means? Yeah? Oh interesting, Well man, I missed out. It's fun stuff. Chris from Wyoming right son about Clash of Clans and vape culture. Oh boy, one circle, yep. I follow up to Warren's email last week about his vaping whale for Clash of Clans brother in law at my job. I recently visited a Virginia site and where the team sorry this is a little messy, where the team would do two things on breaks, one vape to play and discuss

tactics for Clash of Clans. So these may be related in a weird vaping makes you want to play Clash of Clans nanobot transactions. They live way man, if only. What was more distressing was being in the South and working with a bunch of guys who shortened the name not to Clash but to Clan. Oh. Very often I would walk into the vape has to hear I got this mint juice and we need more warriors for the clan. No, surely they're aware of what they're doing. Right after work, We've got a

clan meeting. Oh dear, I bet you do. Evan's the betsy. Did you wash your bed sheets? What? Why does it do anything? I brought my vape juice though it's bana banana bubbleberry. Man, it was a funny meal. Uh okay Anthony from Waterloo, Ontario. What she says is nowhere near Halifax. Okay, so you know good to know goodnesscape if I wanted to. He's writing in about an idea he had whereby Majora's mask is the fish of the Zelda franchise the fish pH yep, oh no,

I already don't like this. Greetings as sorted bomb folk. While reading a thread about last week's podcast, I saw people obsessing over the Majora's mask discussion, and then spotted another comment about you guys mentioning fish on another bomb cast. The stream's got crossed in my brain and now I can't help but think they are kindred spirits. Fish is a jam band? Actually he wrote fish are a jam band? But fuck that is he British? I always know

it's from Canada. So yeah, he's part of the commonwealth. Sure Fish is a jam band who've made their name by psychedelically riffing on established scales and covers of well known songs, with a feverish cult following. Majora's Mask is kind of a series of riffs and experimentations on various existing tropes within the Zelda franchise. They're both super trippy and are probably greatly enhanced by the use of recreational substances. Do you guys see a valid point of comparison? Am I

getting high on my own supply? On an unrelated note, with Demons and Dark Souls being so popular, I was wondering if anyone had any interest in revisiting another from software franchise, Armored Cores. I remember being absolutely baffled by it, but maybe I was just missing something. Did you guys ever have any interest in the Armored Core franchise? Is now the time for a return? No to both things, he said in that email. No, I

can kind of get down with the Major's Mask being he trippy. Every Fish live song is fourteen times longer than a full three day cycle in Majora's Masks. Every jam band sucks. You're saying Fish is better than Major's mask sounds like you get more value. I don't know, no, I'm just trying to say that there's never been a good jam b Major's mask I got last week was Hella, honey, Bruh, Sticks and stems, man, I don't know what any of that says. Sticks and stems. I don't like

any of those, yep. I don't think I ever played Armor Corps. I could never wrap my mind. Let's just I mean, I think you know, just insert name of from software game here, all of them. Chromos I like Chromhounds, likes a little bit I played. I remember me and Brian Eckberg being kind of into Chrome. Is that game? I forget why. I feel like there's just you know, like Mecas Sault was a good met game. Mac Warrior two was a fantastic met game. Oh yeah,

crazy Ivan, Crazy Ivan, have the Iron. I don't know what that is. That PlayStation one game? Yeah? Yeah, games, yeah, games, it's weird. You have to you have to distinguish when you were talking about met games, whether you're talking about like just an action shooter or a game where you're basically playing a walking fucking tank. Right, You know, yeah, because a lot of those MET games are basically sims for

machines that don't exist. I like to battle tech a lot, go and get cockpit low frame rate, but fuck it, you're a weird cockpit. It's back when the idea of playing a game against like eight people in the same room with you was insane. I'll sell you a T shirt, yeah, battle Tech Center. I would play a MET game if it was all metal gear solid branding and you could play as different metal gears against each other, but you did partake of anything with the metal Gear brand. I don't

like acid. I don't like metal gar ass. What about metal gear branded acid? No? Wait, all my illuse nations guaranteed to be based on metal yourself did? It's gonna look like those the weirder MGS three trailers. Oh, like all the symbols and stuff like coming out. Yeah, the peace sign and the hammer and sickle and halo jumps. Yeah, it's just

gonna look like that. Okay, No, it's gonna be like that first Fan of Pain trailer where they didn't say it was metal gear Solid fires flaming whales, and I don't want to envision oh man man using psychedelic substances huh of any kind. Yeah, I'm not really a drug guy, but yeah, metal Gear Acid. I don't really want anything to do with any kind of online metal gear stuff. Yeah, I don't really. But whether you're piloting Metal Gears or not, it's just not no story based, story based

met game like Crazy Ivan but with metal Gear. Yeah, all right, what's the FMP metal Gear Rising too? Is just you are the metal Gear Okay, if you are as Metal Gears got a sword, now that's true. Yeah? Wait, there's a third metal Gear game. No, I don't believe the rumors. You've been lied Tolo wants you to believe. You should come out with a game called metal Gear three that I would play. Yeah, that I would get excited about, even though I would would know

deep down I was being pandered too. But it's still get excited. Mark from England straighten. They should come up with a game called the Real metal Gear Solid three and it's just play right after two? Yeah, bills in the gaps between two and four? Isn't that just four? Fine? Whatever?

The re release four as the Real metal Gear Solid three Eat Old Things, metal Gear Solid four, Metal You three Old settings admitted, Oh yeah, yeah, okay, all right, absolutely, it's largely accurate, but it's a lot of it has to do with the weapon reinvolved in World War two games. It's much like to hear the ping when you ride out of bullets the reload time, but the real times just too long. I guess I don't know. I don't need an automatic weapon and everything. Were you

big on that stupid PC game? It was the Darkest of Days where you're it's basically time cop and you're bringing like, no, that game's a pilot sho oh no, he yeah, he loved it. Yeah, I have a big Darkest of Days guy. I mean you're saying your problem with older stuff is you know, old weaponary, So the Darkest of Days was old settings with new weapon. I mean that does solve the problem. You're right, Yeah, A ray gun some of my favorite quick looks. Ever,

I don't think i've seen that. I've never seen it. Should go back and watch it, even though I think it was recorded directly behind me. Mark from England writes in with an email entitled straight out of Giant Bomb, in which he wants to know just a quick question, what is everyone's opinion on the Straight Out of Compton movie in light of the recently released trailer looks

really good. Yeah you think so. Yeah. Yeah, there was like a leaked trailer that came out of some Ice Cube concert where he showed some bit of it different from the trailer. Yeah, it was, Yeah, I was. It was shorter, it had some of the same footage, but that that was like a month ago or something like that, and I was watching that and that was that was where I was like, Oh, Paul Giamatti's playing Jerry Heller. That's fucking perfect. Oh Jesus is it.

It's perfect. Yeah, it's so perfect. Oh my god, sign your life, I mean your name on the line. Right. Yes, they should get someone who looks like Paul Giamatti and then shoot reshoot that video totally. Oh my god. But like like like a shot of the set, yes, while they're shooting, right, Likes just a scene in the movie is just them shooting that video. Yeah. Oh that trailer is really crazy. You watch that thing with some knowledge of like some of the things that

befell NWA and and their members during and after the group existed. It's like, man, they're covering a lot of fucking weird ground there. I want to know if they're going to address doctor dre hitting d. Barnes in that film somewhere. That's what I want to know. That's that's too deep a cut for me. I'm sorry, all right, I think you're alone in this room. Fair enough? Now? I do. I do like the casting choice of ice Cube's son, Yeah, affecting what he is ice Cube?

Did you? Did you watch the trailer? Yeah? I did, because you see I was watching it right behind Jeff. I'm like, man, that's good casting, right, Yeah, you're almost like, fucking is that just ice Cube? But what's going on? Yeah? It's pretty good. More emails. There's like two more emails. Yeah, I'll see you, like two more emails. Uh. Daniel from Los Angeles has an email for Dan. Has Dan been to a roller derby match? I've never been, but something tells me that he would enjoy it a whole lot, you

know, I have. I went to one of Minneapolis, and I was all for the idea of like, yeah, this seems like something that some silly, campy kind of sport, kind of fake thing, whatever the hell it is, switch sports entertainment exactly, And so I kind of thought that, like, yeah, it seems like a fun thing to go drink beer out or whatever. And I went and it was way more confusing than I anticipated, Like they have all these weird rules and stuff, and it's not

skate past the people. You get one point per person you pass, and then you put your hands on your hips to signify the end of the jam. What. Yeah, it's a weird shit like that. Yeah, it's super confusing. You don't know anyone's story and you have to jump over a fucking alligator the fu. Yeah. It got to the point where I had to just stop trying to figure out what was happening and just wait until someone would trip and be like, whoh, they almost fell off the crowd,

and that would be exciting for a second. But yeah, I saw it once and I was like, yeah, this is not the one guy had to move where he would like he would like jump, he would land on his back on top, somebody would fall in, and then his move was to just shake. That's pretty funny. He was like an older dude and he was just like that was the most devastating, like signature maneuver in the

history of the sport. When they tried to like spice it up and really take on wrestling, and they put it on syndicated TV that literally if there was a tie, the tiebreaker involved alligators like live ones. Yeah. Is there is there like central roller Derby governing body? I think for those like you know, back when there was the t Birds and all those sorts of teams and stuff like that, it was all kind of one you know,

one show, one touring company, whatever it was. But now it's you know, people are just doing roll Derby on their own on the side, just fucking around. Sure. I did like a lot of the creativity and like some of the names the girls gave themselves, Like most of the names were pretty funny, like good puns. Yeah. Yeah, so hang on, if you pass somebody, you get a point. If they then pass you, do they also get a point? No, because you have to be wearing the helmet to score. It was like a star on it.

And then there's like blockers or something. It's diffusing. Do that'd be great? How violent does it actually get? Like it kind of okay? But you know it's not like written into the rules that you can like throw an elbow whenever you want. I mean, you're not gonna punch in the face and stuff. I mean it's worked. It's not real, like it's you

know, like, yes, you can elbow whatever you want. Roller ball, Yeah, exactly, Okay, oh there should be a roller ball league, should I was surprised when I went to my first monster truck rally that like that's worked too. It sounds like they would have these little races and between the monster truck parts where they were like heels who was like, man, Kansas City sucks, Oh you hicks in Kansas City. I'm from Missouri. And then like the Kansas boy like would make a super dramatic thing at

the end to beat the Missouri guy. Like they would have this work stuff. I don't know if the actual monster truck stuff like whoever smashed the most cars or however the hell that works, but like the weird but the race, yeah, I'd be a bunch of dudes on ATVs with like a very clear heel and a very clear baby face and it came down to those two at the very end. Terrific. It's weird. It sounds about right. Can we just say a good guy and bad guy? We should Nope,

none of us are wrestlings. We shouldn't talk their talk talking about face and heel. Fans say baby face and hell yeah, the asshole ones like the scumbags, Yeah, say good guy and bad guy. When it comes to wrestlers, dude, basin heel are not Jeff endorse terms. I think that, you know, there's a certain amount of like I've definitely seen wrestlers bristle at people who are not wrestlers using those terms. Healing, face and heel are commonplace enough now, Like, Okay, I know wrestlers. It's a

weirdly old school thing that is no longer a thing anymore. But I think there are lines you don't cross, Like, you know, I know wrestlers that they refer to everything as a gimmick, like if I'm picking out my phone, like I let me pick up my gimmick and check this, or they'll call a chair agammick, let me sit in this gimmick here, Like that's stupid if you're not one of the boys or whatever. I think,

even if it's silly, but that is a thing that wrestlers do. But I think for a fan, I think like face and heel is acceptable without being a total ducee fan. Yes, yeah, I don't know. Yes, I fall into that trap sometimes and I always feel like an idiot when I do. I don't talk about like work rate and stuff like that, like I think those are like kind of that's even that's not even real. Okay, learn something new every day. There are a lot of asshole racing

fans. Actually I just learned multiple things because I also just learned what it means to work something or for something to be worked. Well, if it's real, it's a shoot. What it's a shoot, or it's a work because you are shooting them straight, or there's also such thing as a work

shoot, But when is it ever real? In wrestling, Let's say let's say me and you were wrestling a match, Brad, and let's say you you hit me with a potato, which means you hit me with a punch that was a little too stiff, so you really kind of like your potato to me. It turns into a shoot. If I throw you one back, that's called the receipt. If I give you a receipt and then we start potato when each other back and forth, then it's a shoot fight.

Then we're really fighting. So at a certain point, at some point, you go into business for yourself. Okay, the combatants get angry enough at each other that they're actually it's on at the level of like a national level, like woe, Like you're not going to see that much. Okay, somebody gets a receipt or something's too professional. Yeah, pretty much like you're

not gonna see straight up shoot fights on in the big leagues. Any of the times that blood appears in the ring or those are the results of people going too far, and that that's called if you're bleeding, and it's not if you're not juicing, you're not getting color, if you're not taking your gig out. Go on, dude, I can't do this anymore. You're asking me questions. You're just making shit up this point. I swear to God all this is real terms. I know exactly what he's saying. I

know I hate myself, but I know exactly what. If you bleed, and it's not if you're not juicing, not getting color, that's bleeding the hard way. So let's say you potato me after I potato do you, and you give me a receipt back. If I'm bleeding out of my eyes, I'm bleeding the hard way. Bust them open hard way. That's not me getting color. That's hard way. Oh boy, is like a capsule. No, it's blood. Like they take the gig the razor blade out,

it's that's where you're marking yourself up. Yeah, they usually take it out of the wristband or the refereehance it to them or like guys like Rick Flair would like keep it between their teeth like crazy people, old school guys. And you take it out and you just uh so, let's say you hit me with a chair and I'm supposed to get color and Drew, so you hit me with the chair and I go, I fall down and you

it's kind of a misdirection thing. You parade around the ring with the chair or whatever, and you get everyone to look at you, or you yell at the crowd while I'm down there and the camera's not on me, and I just take the I take the gig out and I get some color. I just I just do a little cut my forehead and cut your own anytime, blad it's happened some old wrestlers And look at their fucking foreheads. Look at the dusty rhodes, like the scarring is real. It's taffy. It

just looks like taffy. Now keep in mind, now this other little thing. Take about forty aspirin before the match. See your blood's really thin, and maybe a bunch of beer. And so that way the things. It doesn't cause a lot of pain, especially for these guys that are on a bunch of pain bills and shit like that. Don't take forty aspirin. Uh no, no ever, but yeah they cut it so it doesn't hurt him

much, but visually it adds a lot. Look at old Ric Flair matches, old Dusty Rhodes matches, like those guys are, they're getting a lot of color. Okay, So it's not just something that happens incidentally, and it can it's rare. I mean like last night on Raw Roman Reins got a cut and he was bleeding in his mouth like that was just the thing that had rated PG. Now, no point do they induce bleeding. There's

except for once Sam Punk and a cage match for Jerry Lawler. I was there live, and when Lawler whips him into the ropes, you can see him very quickly, he just he gigs his forehead very quickly, and so yeah, he bladd there just because I think it's such an old school thing to like bleed in a cage match for Jerry Lawler. Yeah, so that's the only time that PG era I've ever seen an actual blade jobs. But yeah, it's whenever you see like the Crimson Mask, the Crimson mask is

all from the Crimson Mask. Yeah. Man, that's you're cutting your for it. I hate myself. I assume these guys have to be well at least in that era, well, maybe not tested all the time for yeah, oh wait, are you talking about like for like STDs and stuff. Bob Orton, Randy Orton's dad was positive for hepatitis C and bladed in a match involving the Undertaker. Undertaker is fighting Randy Orton, and Randy Orton positive

PHEPS. He comes in and blade, so he was bleeding and they had not informed the Undertaker ahead of time that he was positive for eptitis and Taker was piss up. Yeah I do not blame him. Yeah, yes, yeah, we wrestling. It's the best fucking stupid. It's a bunch of carny shit, has been, always will be. Wow, it could be a billion dollars public company. It is still a bunch of fucking weird Carny ship. Still. I mean they're they're breeding it out. Over time,

there's less and less talk like I was talking about their gig anymore. For the record, I never used their servitor. I just wanted to sound like as much of a wrestling dude that's possible. Came in Andy for Game of the Year when you like dropping all that lingo in the video was keeping a kabe? Yeah, exactly. We have to stop this, Joseph. Let's move on. It's the last email. What have we become? I can go for a hour. Wish I could answer that question. Alex from Vancouver

sends our last email. It's to me, Hello, Brad, I think you should do one of those outros where the theme music quietly and gradually creeps up at the end while you're saying that's it for the show or that's going to be it for the bomb cast. I like that idea. It hypes me up and stuff. I know you will take my podcast audio editing advice into great consideration. Yes, Alex, perhaps I will BombCast at giant bomb dot com is the email address we send the emails, and that's gonna do

it for the show, all right? Thanks for being here everybody. I love this song. Yeah, it's Yeah. It's been a great podcast and stuff content on the site I'm sure will happen this week. Look for it, a man, stay tuned for some stuff to happen. Yeah. Facts is a little ways off, so we'll be back with another regularly scheduled edition of the Giant Bomb Cast next week. Yeah.