Giant Bombcast 02/04/2014 [Premium]

All right, the bomb Cast coming at you today on February fourth through. What do we have in store for the folks? Well, the Vicksburgs are gonna start off a set and then that'll be followed by the Wonders. Geez, that's great. Brad Shoemaker will be here all right, and what's he gonna be doing? All right, that's fantastic. Also joining us later on in the show, we'll have Will Smith. I'm the first guest on the new Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. Jimmy Fallon, I love games and Dave

Snyder. I'm here. Apparently according to Twitter, I still work here. Yeah, I think probably according to our every time BASI employees, you probably still work here too. Every time your website goes down. I still get Twitter's work great. Yeah, tough men. Thanks. Jeff bailed out. He's going to all world hopping crazy looking at video games. Wait our side down side down down? You're getting Are you getting Twitter? Is it right now? Sometimes the fun ones I get now, or people will just send

me like when other websites are down down down? Yeah, can you get that up? I gotta place his Amazon order. I'm the Lord of the entire I got. I got a couple of them. Joke. I like it. That's funny, that's good stuff. You should save that for the podcast I can do. I'm Vinny Caravella. Today We're gonna be talking about all sorts of things. And I am extremely excited because not only do we have, like we said, Brad Shommaker and Drew Scalon, but Dave Snyder.

Uh, you might know from I don't know, what have you done in the past. I put logos on the wall here? Yeah that was you. Yeah, put a couple of those there. Could you cut the transparency part out because it really bugging me that it shows like white through and I keep telling people that I'm not good at logos and they just keep using them. And you were from you were in kninteen The Widowmaker, right, I was, Oh, that guy Rory Schneider or Shider Roy Shider, yes,

space. I always thought it was a Snyder, but it's actually Shider. Yeah, very different. He was in Jaws. He had a good part twenty ten the year remake Contact he was which with I really enjoy hell Miren, like that super hot young Helen Mirren is in Yeah She's a rush a Russian accent. Wait what I believe it's called twenty ten. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, blessed slallables, slallables. Who's that? That must be Will Smith? Mispronouncing Hi hi doing Will Smith? For people who

don't know you may know me from such things as executable. Yes, and he's the founder of PC gamer exactly, look it up. I invented PC gaming. Actually, yeah, it's pretty the first one for that too. I'm not that old vinn for PC gaming. Don't invent PC gaming. I played them one tank platon reinventing PC gaming Will Smith And now you can find him over at test dot com. If you don't know who these people are, asked the guy who asked you to listen to the bomb cast, he'll

he'll fill you in the old times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of remember that time that we that Dave played Grand Frisby five really shit faced and poured tequila in a Tate blind taste test, And yeah, but I did much better after I was drinking, which that was the guys. We can't talk about this, we can't. We don't own those moments anymore. Oh no, yeah, sorry, so you can. You can probably talk about those way. Yeah, yeah, Bun owns that. You guys own

those moments. Well those along to Whiskey Media. I don't know we posted on our website there there are YouTube channel. You don't have to pay for him over there. Wait what I mean? We'll tell us what happened at Whiskey Media. I don't have to remind me of the days. We used to work in a basement, true, remember, and then we moved to another basement. Yeah, it seemed like a better basement, but we were

always sick all the time in that second base mold. And then I built Lego and you built and then you got something called a maker bought and then things went to hell and we wound up here. So what else did you do Drew at Whiskey Media? Or this weekend? Go back, go back as far as transition. That all happened this weekend? Yeah, where were you watching the Big Game? I bet Jude you watch the Super Bowl? Whoa, whoa, whoa? Don't know that was on Fox this year,

not CBS. I'm sorry. I bought a two broke bowls that's on upn ceramic bowls is still emotion over and over again. Would you do this weekend, I bought a over the air antenna. Okay, like wait what like yeah, yeah, which one? Uh? The leaf? I've just got one of those two? Oh I have that. It's like flat, yeah, and it's white on one side and black on the other. It was this on a site called tested dot com last week. I'm sorry, don't

you something you don't acknowledge it, we'll just bleep it out later. Is that you guys? Yeah, it's like that, except it's a lot more charming without a sixth floor. So I looked it up. Wow, and uh, the only channel I don't get is Fox. I guess the superc NBC, so clear out of the South Bay cannot wait for the Olympics. But I don't get Fox, which is what the super Bowl was on. So I had my friend bring over his cable box, which I didn't even

know this works. He has HD Comcast and I have SC Comcast and it totally worked. Wow, you plugged? Did they? Did they encrypt the HD channels though, like over the air one? No, the Comcast Comcast was for a long time they were supposed to not do that. Yeah they do know, yeah they fucking you just get a loop of like a dude that's like, oh, you should sign up for Comcast's serious. Yeah, it's just a dude. Like I used to get regular, you know,

television through the Comcast cable up until until the last September. I had the cable q AM is what that's called. Like, Yeah, that coax runs straight into my TV. And yeah, I got all the local ship. Yeah. And they rolled this out in stages nationwide. It's like, you know, SF got it one month and then like Chicago Market got it the next month. Oh, we got it. But yes, yes they're giving

it to us. Yeah. You have to get Yeah, you have to get like a tiny little decoder box now from them, just to watch the local channels, which I thought was illegal. But no, that the it expired. I'm sure. I'm sure it was the thing that was mandated for a certain period of time. And then fuck the man. Yeah, so you drew you were paying for SD ten, twelve, thirteen channels whatever. Yeah. And then because it's cheaper to do that, get internet. That's

what I have. Yeah, I have the SD package with the with the best internet. Yeah. And then a friend brought over his special boxes beefy, I get nine yeah, and it just worked. Is that that's great? Friend, my friend Jeff, I think it works in satellite dishes. I don't know. Whatever weird thing. Jeff comes over. You get all the channels for free all the time. Oh, I see how that's going,

my friend Jeff. Friend wink mister Wirecause in my Comcast box, you know that little that giant box on the side of an apartment or in your house or whatever, and then you open it up and it's like one wire with like a little splitter on it. One is unlocked. I thought they're supposed to lock those up. I should get in there and monkey ramp blow it out and I'll get he who watches TV sports, right, yep?

The Big Game? Yep, tell me about it. It was going to be the worst Super Bowl game in history because I think the worst margin for a Super Bowl game was forty five points. The Niners beat the Broncos fifty five to ten one year like Super Bowl twenty four John Elway year, right, Yeah, and then the Red Skin speed them. Yeah. It was a real slacking year after and so this and this was almost going to be that. So we would have had a record, but we didn't. So

it just break record. It's just a horrible game. It was, it was, it was actually it was actually disappointing that it wasn't disappointing enough exactly. Peig Manning had the most completions of any Super Bowl quarterback, that's true, but they were all for like three yards. Yeah, there were a lot of little hun nachos. We had a lot of stuff. Let's break it down. What is Jews Super Bowl spread? So I just I just got the Drew's house. Hey, Drew, has it going well? Vinnie?

Yeah? Generally done paroguis every year. It's like it's a Polish dumpling, looks kind of like a pot sticker, but inside is one of two fillings, either saur kraut and onion or potatoes and cheese. I'm on, potato and cheese sound pretty good. So no meat this year in lieu of the potatoes and cheese. I did meat and cheese. I did like, uh, like a lean beef with palapa. No, It's okay, that's what they call me and ice and some cheese. There's there goes lean beef,

lean look out, caravels lean beef. And I made it with gluten free dough wow, which did you bind it real hard? Was there like a girl that you had the jones for? Coming over some some gluten free girls. I'm I'm going, is that girl you are? Yep? Oh wow? So I come over and I'm like, man, I at prose every year at Drew's house for the Super Bowl. Check it out? And then how were they? They're actually pretty good. I gotta told you they're

fantastic. I got a low yield this year because they were kind of crumbly the gluten free dough. It makes it tough. Also, I didn't put any eggs in. I did my weird egg substitutions, so the recipe was like half original and half Drew's concoction. Yeah, but they turned out. I'm I got like a dozen, and I just scooped the filling out the left over field because you should have extra filling right at that point. Yeah, it's still my frage. I'm just gonna just getting you're lean beef.

Yeah, there you go, just throw some pork gander and yeah, or sawdust guacamole stuff. I didn't do guacamole. I don't eat parogui, so what else can I eat? I do? But I'm playing a character. There was mac and cheese. Somebody bringing that? Yep, actually it was gluten freeze. Well wow, a couple of chocolate e treats, like the ones with the like the checks mix and you toss it in the chocolate and then the powdered sugar. Okay, sure, yes, yes, yeah,

uh, let's give it a name. What's that thing called spiders dirty rascal or something like something for dirty Rascal like Jews, party checks mixteen, Choco Rex, Chaco Rex. Yeah, some chocolate bars also, uh? And homemade pizza. I love homemade pizza. Yeah, how much of that? Was there? Three pies like twelve inch diameter? Or we're good like? Uh? Like that? What is that that? That's sixteen? That's sixteen and a order? I know that? Liked exactly. It sounds like a

party. You had people over fifteen people. Do you have alcohol? Oh? Yes, you have cider? Yes? Do you have a kig? No? Would you? They would have? Did the neighbors bang on the walls, ceiling, end or floor? It's the big game? Yes? Yeah, they played at one. They played at halftime liquor? How can we taste so good? Was there ever a line for your bathroom? No? But it was in and out. Did you have a bathroom by the end? Uh? Just you have just one smoking the tub looks pretty right.

Oh I didn't need to hear joke. Yeah sure, you can't back special parrog gros. Yeah sure, it's been fun, but I gotta walk the dog. Yeah. Yeah, so you guys later. Thanks? Say how to brown Liquid? Yeah? So do you do anything video game related? Well? Did you enjoyed it? Regardless of the game. It sounds like a good time for friends, family food. Yeah. Uh, did you do any video game stuff? Not this weekend, but I did play for a quick look last week Black Guards. Yeah you did. Taking place

in the Dark Eyes the Dark Eye universe? Dark Eye? Is it Dark Eye? Is it one of the German ones? Yes? Yeah, I think it is. So it was the they did. What was the one that was based off the Aurora engine stuff? Oh yeah, Dragon sang to be sure? Is that Dark Eye? The one we did was Chains of santitav Yes, that was the adventure. Adventure was based in that universe. Santata have a location or a person's which you used to get your hands really

clean. I thought that was the bad guy from Hell Raiser. Yeah, sure, it depends Yeah, Sanitas German, Santa C, santab something that comes with like two pages of advertisement says that it will kill you well experience. It does treat dark eye. I thought it was the stuff you put in the dishwasher that makes your your glasses rents clean. Sure, yeah, it's better, but it's not good for the environment, don't. That was a that's a turn based hex. Yeah, go get it. It's kind

of ex COMI with swords with swords yeah, and bows and magic. But man, it's it's pretty much when you go to a character sheet and try to upgrade your dude, it's like hardcore D and D. Oh, man, I'm in you are you actually it actually says character sheet, Yeah, and I tell you're gonna say it said buy it, Dave. And it's got your dice. It's got like your hit is not a number. It

is a number. But then it also says like, hey, what do you say your weapon is like yeah, this is like this is like pen and paper German D and D. Yeah, I think you sent me. The wiki article on it was like the most popular fantasy board game in D and D and then went out of the other than D and D went out of business in like nineteen eighty nine and like got one bankrupt, and I was like that stinks. If you're the most popular thing in a country you

still go out of business. Yeah, I got sorry, no wen, I got an orange set and grace what you get? What are you get in that? You got one D six, one D four? I got full sets? Die right. I had one set. And so I've been playing with these like hardcore D and D guys and they come over with like like they just have so much gear from their like childhood and stuff, like all these kind of craps, and I was like, wait a second,

you're throwing like two dice. Oh I could be doing I could be making my role so much faster if I had sure the whole staff you had bought someone we played. I just had like as set. You can but you can go, like you can go to one of those checks mix or whatever the places chest six cho Rock, the place that sells my god. I bought some dollars and you can just buy a sack of like shiploads of deaths eight dollars. They need to be themed towards my character. Yeah, well

you got both. You get the pound to die, and then you got the I pay twenty dollars for a pound of dice when I could pay? But hey, can you can you? Uh? I don't want to out anybody here, but can I hear some of the character names from your group? Sure? There's uh. My character's name is Krell. Okay, he is a half orc pirate. Okay, who uh is? Uh? He's a storm lord Silent, He's a weather domain. And you guys are playing Pathfinder. We're playing path Finder? Okay? Yes, all right? Who

else is there? I want to guess what they are? You don't even remember your team. I can't even blank out. You can't even remember Ian's character's name. Do you have anybody with a name that ends an I? E? En? If my name was Ian, all my characters would always end an A. His are always like John's sword magic or his are always like lawyers that somehow gets trapped in the plane universe. Like that's what he's

playing, like Bill cast a spell? Yeah? Exactly, yeah, James Casino, all right, well, Calvin Kelvin's and Archer okay and Elf Archer? How many dudes during your party? We have four? And then we have a really hardcore DM. Do you hire him? Uh? We did not hire him. He uh weirdly enough is like my neighbor that is weird, super weird is really weird. But he comes like super prepared with the maps your relationship. Don't make your neighbor and your DM. We play for

eight hours. Jesus, he lived right next door eight hours. How do you pay back that child sitting debt? With bluegrass? The currency of yeah, okay, two bluegrass sessions gets he smokes cigars or something while it's happening. No, but it in the garage everybody poker table. Uh, every now we do it in our kitchen. Everybody's got like chips and beer and it's as silly as you. That's fun. But it sounds like, yeah, Drew, So what do you have to say about the Dark Eye slash

Blackguard? They don't didn't do such a great job of explaining like how all the character stuff works, or really how you should upgrade a dude because I was getting XP but I had no idea where I'm putting because there's like five when you going to upgrade your guy, there's like five different tabs, each with a different skill tree. It looked like when we were in Pathfinder, like those skill books, I had no idea where to go, but I liked the combat. Uh, and the story was you know fine. Yeah,

the voice acting seemed totally reasonable. Yeah, you know, it seemed like a fun thing to kind of propel you through the game. So I don't know. If I had more time, maybe I would dedicate some hours sitting down and figuring it all out. Sure, but it's fun to play. Yeah, Dave, you should check it out. I think it's Ripprey. Did you anything else rocking? Oh? Not really, we're chilling. No, then let's go on. It's a mister shoemaker. Mister Shoemaker,

you had yourselves a little little weekend fun I did. Yeah, Oh it did. I could tell you came in this morning. I'll chipper and happy, ready to go radiant? Oh yeah, yeah, Brad's pregnant. It's a super Bowl yesterday, Yeah, the big game. Did you do anything for it? Sat on the couch and drank and but you did watch it? Yeah? Okay, about halfway through I wish I hadn't. It's always the best kind of super slowly regret sitting there. It was just a terrible

game. Moment was over, halfway through there was a there was a moment when Jerry and George came out and talked about why they weren't at the right party. I don't know. Pretty good commercials totally worked for me. Oh, I don't think it worked, but you know it was better than the football game. Like, yeah, I guess that's true. Well, there you go. I guess enjoyment through schadenfreude at the Super Bowl. Yea, we Jerry Sidefeld has gotten old. We bet a lot interesting like like like

there's a not string bets, uh hedge bets or they call it. There's a word for this in Vegas when you go to Vegas and you go to the sports book and you're betting on like I bet that somebody will make a three point shot in the next forty sixty one sixty to one that there'd be a safety in the as the first school. Actually, one of my walls is all that big led screen with all the bets on itself. It's not like a side belt sidelines kind of side. But there's a specific word for

it. People have real gambling problems will know immediately. I can't remember you see did you see did you see Mark Cuban tweeting that he made twenty million dollars off that game. From what, wait, isn't that illegal? Off that game? It was? It was specifically that he doesn't own the Broncos or the Seahawks. Doesn't he? Yeah, doesn't, doesn't he? I forget how it worked out, but it was it was that safety on that first play or whatever. I don't know football that well, but whatever it

was, he had bet like a million dollars on that. Exactly what's he gonna do that? Like that exact thing happening? It was sixty It was sixty to one that there would be a safety as the first score. Okay, do you reach a position in your life you're like, I'm gonna bet a million dollars? It might have been less. The better question is how do you get to that point in your life where you then brag about it. That's probably the same guy. I'm gonna say. It's probably around the

ten to fifteen million mark. You think it's don't really work anymore, and and before you get to hey, I'll pay you to so I can ship in your mouth. Yeah, exactly. I was at Drew the Department in the tub, and now I just won twenty million dollars shift the tub doesn't do it from to make it interesting? Yeah, yeah, I'll give you ten. And I was like, just shit in your mouth right now and then say then the other guy probably doesn't post on Twitter. That's like I

just made ten million dollars off that Super Bowl. That guy just kind of walks away. Invest that what you're saying, is it Mark Cuban. Somebody's shitting in his mouth for seventy million dollars. I'm not saying that you did. But thanks for the update. And that's will Smith Lays and gentlemen you can find and I've seen it. Yeah, brat Shoemaker. What else did you have going on? Oh man? What didn't I have going on? Okay, video games, everything, everything. Didn't do anything this week?

Now, that's great. Did you would you eat? I only ordered pizza one night? And did you order too much? You get a little bit of a bachelor weekend? I was by myself. That's great. I don't know, it wasn't as it wasn't quite as liberating as I thought it would be. Yeah, you're finding as you get older, you're just you're not indulging as much. No, it's not even that so much as it's been so long that it just made me realize how much the other person is doing.

Oh I see, okay, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's all of a sudden, it's like, wait a minute, now I have to do everything. Like, man, I've been living with somebody for a long time, and the magic laundry nomes aren't coming anymore. What the hell? Kind of like they go away too. Yeah, oh man, this bathroom stinks. It was Yeah, it was like it was I guess, just a perfect storm of like, well, this hasn't been done in a while, and this hasn't been done in a while, and there's no

more money in my savings. But I spent like half the weekend doing doing laundry, and of course we're shopping and cleaning and stuff like that. Yeah, but a little time to remember how much you appreciate your love to win absolutely is worth it's weight in gold. It's better than odeeing on pizza. Dave Snyder played I'm sorry it back. I thought that I didn't do anything, but it summed up pretty much what you did this weekend that is just

sitting around playing videos. Okay, so what'd you play. I put a little more time in the dark Souls. Not a whole lot, okay, but the one thing that I did was trying to go back to the asylum. And did you so? Some he had tied on the asylums where you start, right, yeah, and the demon there is horrible Uh th you mean the second one, the one that you fight at the end of the tutorial mission. Oh no, well there's another version of that thing that you fight when you get back, you know, I know, yes, how

did you get back there? So somebody had tipped me off there, like, hey, there's a ring in the asylum. You should go get since you're heading into blight Town and it'll make things a lot easier. Tip. So I started talking to you about it, and I was like, well, I ran around and I saw that crow. Yeah, there's got to be a way to get back there. What am I supposed to do? Yeah? What did I say? And you were like, I think you

actually you wanted to tell me, right, I said. Another friend of mine had had said like, when I asked him what to do is look around? He was like, figure it out. I think I gave you a tip, right, I gave you another hint you started to or you said, you said, like, you'll never figure this out. It's incredibly obtuse. It's pretty let me just tell you what to do. I think I said there's a nest somewhere. Yeah, it wasn't that. Well.

I think it's pretty fucking obscure, pretty crazy. You have to jump off of something onto something else. Yeah, you have to jump off of several things. And that's part elevator down from the cathedral. Yeah. So yeah, you're writing an elevator and you have to step off at the right time to land on a certain ledge. Yeah, that part's not the obtuse part you're frying. You're right, that part is is relatively self explanatory compared to what comes after that. Yeah, and this is not spoiler. You have

to curl up there. You get to a nest, you find like a big old nest somewhere, and then there's a prompt when you walk in it that says curl up yes, and you're like, okay, you do that exactly, and then you sit there for like a minute. How do you do that? It's just it's a button. And then you sit there for maybe thirty seconds or a minute. Nothing happens. So you can hit beads

to get out of it and walk away. But if you wait there for like a minute in one second, then like a birdle come jack crow comes and grabs you and take you back to this island. So so when I got there, when I was playing, the prompt never came up. So I just was like, well, fuck, maybe I have to wait like an hour, so I just left it running. When did the dishes wash,

the laundry came back? Nope, nothing man had to reload. It's just the the insane number of steps between like jumping off the elevator at the right time and setting up to the nest. Yeah, but that stuff is fine for me. It's like if you know where to go. When you look at it, it's like, all right, yeah, I guess I can see how I jump onto that pillar and then run across this roof. But like you're fighting the level geometry the whole way and like mechanics that are

not platform. Yeah, it's like it's a it's a real pain in the has to make that jump and then you have to like roll up hill that you can't run up at one point. But the thing that is good about that. I was just talking to my little brother about this because he was doing it as well. You know, there are items up there. You can see that there's a way to get up there. This is intentional for to put the player up there. It's not a glitch or something like that.

So you're like, well, how do I get those items? I need to be able to get up there. So that drives that whole thing to curl up in a ball and not immediately have a reward for doing so. I think it is the kind of tougher pure. I wonder if they's shortened that because I don't feel like I sat there that long. It kind of just shave me. I mean, it just felt like that for me.

I don't know throughout that whole process, And eventually I just looked up what to do because fuck running around in that area for an hour trying to figure it out. Yeah, but at some point I started questioning It's like, why am I sitting here doing this? I see that this game is so up its own ass sometimes, so I found that as part of my natural like I want to collect all of the dumb shit. No, just because once I was up there, it was like, oh yeah, maybe

there's something more around this corner. Yeah, and then there's a butt the you know, but yeah, no, I totally did you beat the Turn of the Asylum dad. I didn't have time to play a whole lot after he'd beat my ass on as soon as I got think it gonna be pretty that crazy magic attack that hits you like in a like a one hundred and eighty degree arc in front of you or whatever. So he was really tough. I don't remember finding him when I first was playing, and it was

it was I had an exceptionally hard time. You know, getting behind him is obviously where you want to be, right, and that's exactly exactly when you're his big old rump. He dignified rump is when he's got all he's got a lot of dignity things. Yeah, it's always dignity in the backside. And what do you do with dignity? You squish you when you do a sitting attack, or sometimes he just whales his dignity around and hits you.

I don't know if you can get to a bonfire there. But like when i'd lost to him the first time and realized I was gonna have to do platforming, bullshit again. There is a bonfire, right okay, right on the right when you're going on the road, I'll see, okay, because when you're watch when you're okay, yeah, because because when you're run back in there, you know, the floor just collapses when you walk, you know that. So all right, I'll hug the wall next time and

see how that goes. Did you do anything else a video game? A wise? I cracked into Fable Anniversary and what is new in Fable? What's what's cracking in Fable? It looks better? Yeah, I guess they ported it to the Fable one. Yeah, that's the first game. Wown came out on the Xbox right, yeah, g Xbox and two thousand and four. I thought it was an older game than that, but it was like towards the end of the original Xbox, right before the three sixty came out.

And is this is? Is they a face lefter or mechanics? I guess they. I guess they must apported its unreal because there's a big fat unreal engine logo at the beginning. What was it? I don't know. I thought it was head Engine before. Yeah, you know, it looks it looks okay, still have the crazy long tutorial. I just remember they can really long, like when you play as the child. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah you yes, you definitely still go through all of that.

Run Run, Run, Run, Run Run Run. Chicken. Well, you're the chicken chaser, but that's after you chicken chase, Chicken Chase, Chicken Chase, have a chicken chase. He doesn't look much like a chicken chasing Chicken chase chicken Chase. Why I stopped? That game has such a dumb, quirky charm to it. Is it still cheeky? Yes? Like I from what I've played of it so far, I feel like it's the most fably of all the Fable games. But I really didn't play much

of two, so I guess I thought it was the good one. Yeah, can't say that with authority, but like, I guess this one has more personality to it than I remember. Did you play three? Yeah? I remember, I had. Okay, I had a slow through that whole thing. For a review, I thought three was maybe the weakest. Absolutely, I don't think anybody would disagree with that. But I like the multiplayer stuff into a lot with you miss that because you were Yeah, but I

think I trade dolls. I'm kind of into this though, actually think I'm gonna keep playing it for a while. Fable one, I think, I think, I think this first one holds up better than I would have expected. Is it a three sixty game? Yeah, it's three sixty, you know it looks good? Like I wait, this is Fable HD on three sixty? The hell are we doing here? Wasting times? Really weird? Fired up that console? It's been weeks. Well, why they released an

HD remake on a previous gen system. That's where all the people are. But then, let I just can't get another Fable trilogy on the Xbox. Well they're making They're supposedly making a new Fable for Xbox One, but I thought we were talking about video games, not baby toys. Something. Something about this one feels like it's the most free wheeling of the Fables, you know, I feel I feel like the focus was young and young and buck Fable well that, but like the focus was still just on Hey, do

you want to have an angel halo or devil horns? For sure? You know what I mean. It's it's like that game is just like morality slider of the game. You know, It's like here's two versions of the quest. Do you want to protect the farm or or fuck it up? Like just just straight up? Do you want to be a good guy or back too? Yeah, but he didn't play Usually if you sink your teeth into this one, you should prob check out too. I've always thought about going

back and playing two. I wish they had done a PC version of it though, And two I think I think the story continues a little more. So, Yeah, like playing this now because like I think they check of your sister is Teresa or Teresa? Yeah as a child? Who? I think it's kind of the central figure of fable right, uh? Fable three definitely, or at least two. Hell man, I kind of can't remember the fable though. I don't know. Story never seemed like the focus there.

But anyway, I think this thing is maybe better than I expected it to be. That's cool. We'll be doing a quick look at that right. Oh yeah, there should be a quick look up. Not anymore. I didn't really gotta go three sixty out packed those away? Yeah? Did you really go to put them in? Howk I think Jeff got money for this trip? Yeah? Still they're still progies, don't come cheap, still games coming out, all those things, It's true, and as three,

I still got him hunked up in the house. Dark Souls coming out, Yeah, there's a few games. And have you made a progress in Banner Saga? No, no, it's kind of taking that off the table. I tried to play it the day it came out, and it just didn't grab me. I played the multi player version of that game when it came out before it was it seems it seems well made. I want to check it out. Yeah, yeah, you might get you know, more free time. You might be into it, but I don't know. I just

didn't really pull me along. You didn't have a pause. You couldn't pause it, you couldn't stop it convenient times when I played that game. Yeah that one man, honey, you're see if your dad can help see? No, No, that Yeah, I haven't had that. I got it. I'll be there just a minute. So I've been playing some more dark shows and I haven't had to have that excuse. I feel like since I was like twelve, of like, I just needed to hit the same point. I just I just need to go say if I can't, I can't

write. Yeah, I'll be there in like ten minutes. I there's no pause. I care if I don't say I lose two hours. It's only two hours right now. It's getting at anytime. I'm alive. You need to come right now. It's like walking over holding a controller, like making my way over the kid in the car with us or not? Are you? Are you still there? You? Okay? Okay, now I'm really coming anyway. Don't just shot on the floor. Okay, that wasn't the dog. I gotta go. Uh Dave, what's up? Would you play

in the last two years? No, so exactly in the uh uh, specifically to that point. I've been playing a lot of Heartstone because it's the perfect you know, like seven minute game. You asked me this, I know, but they don't listen to that podcast. What's a hearthstone? Uh? Heart What is a hearthstone? Hearth is a is a fire and yeah. Home is where the hearth is. Yeah, and then where's the home. It's inside the home at home is where the hearth is. Yeah.

Uh So I've been playing that, which has been fun. You can take that one Blizzard if you want. That's free. I play a little bit of it. I really enjoyed. I like it a lot. I guys like CCGs. I'm you know, guys down I like CGS. The collectible parts really damaging for people with issues like me, so I don't play those

games. But this one's not so bad. I feel like you get I think that and and Soul Forge have have kind of done that really well, and that you don't need to. It's like Magic where you gotta buy everything and to be good. It's sort of integrated into you. Definitely, they're auto matching stuff is pretty good. The Arena concept is super smart. What's

that? Explain to me what this is? So the Arena is a card game in the vein of Magic. Yeah, and it's from Blizzard, so it's all World Warcraft themed and the basis of it or hey, it's a collectible card game and it's free. It's free right now. It's an open beta. Uh you can. It's got some micro transactions in there so that you buy packs if you want, but there's nothing stopping you from They'll give you quests each day, so you always get like three new quests and then

you can complete those. It doesn't really take very long to complete them, probably about a half hour and then me an example of a quest. Quests will be like win three games as a paladin or destroy forty millions, so like they're all super achievable things that you can do just three like objectives, and most of the time you're completing the quest just as you're normally playing,

even if you're not specifically trying to complete a quest. And then that basically awards you a money system, and that money system can then be used to buy packs which will give you new cards, or you can use it to enter the arena. And what is the arena. The arena is a blind you know, it's like a blind buy in, so you'll pay your money. They'll then give you thirty sets of three cards. Each. You pick one of those three cards because it's out of all the cards you own.

No, it's random, which is why it's great because everybody has the same random cards. Wait, there's no collectible bullshit exactly. Oh that's wait, I'm sorry, I lost the thread. Here. I go to the arena and there are thirty sets of they give you. The first thing they'll do is they just show you three cards. They say, here's the cards. They'll say, here are three cards which one of these three do you want?

It's a fate, you know, what's the value of it? I want you can see all three of them the over exactly, and then you do that twenty nine more times and you have a stake. Uh, not very long. Why would you alternate with the other person. No, you're only doing it for yourself. So they so it's not like they pick one and you pick one, and then you pick one and they pick one exactly. You're just doing this and then you keep playing in the arena with that

set of cards until you lose three times. And does everybody have the same sets of three to choose from when they're in the arena at the same time. Uh, they went through the same process that you did. They may have picked a different class, right, Uh, and they obviously pick different cards than you did. So it makes it hard because you know, like most collectible card games, the cards can go together well as a theme.

Right. You have Murlock Rush decks, which are like if you put all your Mrlocks together, you you know, they kind of have a fast attack and synergize. So yeah, exactly, Verticals the blind the blind deck then makes it hard to do that kind of stuff, and it makes it so they've sort of equalized the collectible side of it, which makes it there's no way to bring your stuff into this correct, What is your money getting you?

Just entrance into the area just gets you entrance into the arena for three till you lose three times depending upon how many times you win before you've lost those three times, uh nets you a better prize Like all card or the prizes are usually crafting material more actual money that you could then go in against the arena and card packs cool and the card packs could be you know, they tend to be better card packs, you know, the more you've won.

That sounds really interesting if you if you bounce out immediately, if I lose three consecutive matches, will the prize pretty much be less than the value that I would have gotten than using that money to buy it's a hundred gold or whatever to just buy a pack. It's one hundred and fifty gold to get in the arena, got it? You will automatically get a pack out of probably pretty sure poopy. So you always it's always in your best interest, at least from what I've seen, to play the arena and do it

interesting. Can you leave an arena, run and come back. Yes, okay, so get out yep, and so it'll be you just go back to the arena and it's like you lost one time, previously you won seven times. Keep playing till you lose. That's pretty smart and it's interesting that what uh, what was I gonna ask? Like, what's the value of

gold? Like what is one hundred and fifty gold? It's like like there's no, you don't buy gold, you just it's you can buy packs, okay, where you could buy an entrance into the arena if I were to, if I would ask you what is the real world currency? Dollars for one hundred and yeah, two dollars. So it's like a couple bucks to play gets you into the arena, gets you into the arena, or you

could just play for thirty minutes and get into the arena. And he's saying, my time is not thirty minutes of my time is not worth so you end up playing and it's totally like it's not cheesy at all. It seems like a really smart system. Down timers. They've count down timers, yeah to play yeah, like eachan yes, yeah, okay, they have they have a pretty clever mechanic too with it. The weird things that they have are you can't chat with the other player. That's nice for the best they

learned that one. Right click your character and it brings up six emotes like what uh like, well played? Is your character saying yeah nice? Or uh that was a mistake? Nice? You just span that one constantly really getting at his head. Yeah, so greetings you know all that? Anybody ever do them? Yeah? You do it like when you see a guy do a really clever move, You'll be like, wells uh do you can you buy new ones? Uh? That seems like something they would find new

greeting stone. Yet okay, none of that stuff. The crafting really only gets you. Like you can disenchant your cards, like destroy cards to make other cards. Uh. And you can also just upgrade your cards to be the like tin foil version of a card. But nothing, it just looks it's ten. Yeah, so uh can you Uh? How is it like battlenet? How do you find your friends? Your friends are on there?

You can put as part of the options to like automatically overwrite the automatching system so that you play your friends, which you may not want to do because they could be a lot better than you. Do you want to tell people how to find you? Or do you want to keep that a secret until you show up and stomp them. I'm on, I'm on battle Mat Okay, it's I want to go play you. I want to go figure out. Yeah you can, you can play me. Yeah, It's it's fun.

Donna Dona iOS devices now mostly I apparently I don't think it's on THEOS. You can definitely tell that it's a well it's on Mac as well well, but I mean it's on the computers they set up front that it would be coming die Yeah, and it's a perfect game probably for like anentially Yeah, I thought when we looked at it in the office we were doing when they first announced the game, that's what it was coming to mobile. I

shouldn't know. It's good. I've played a couple of those games, like I played Scrolls for a bit, which was like mojongs or their their game, and this one, this one's super polished and it looked like even when we saw it. I mean, I don't know if the beta has changed. Must when we looked at it months ago with Rory uh like nice animations, nice chest opening, animation and if you've never played a car game, because it's not like I'm a huge car game player. Yeah, run it's

super easy. They walk you through it in the beginning. And because the like kind of math and stuff in the game is you know, automated through the system, it's it works out. I'm it's especially for a dad. You just play that game like five It's five minutes a game, so I can jump in and then jump out. That's what I've been playing watching Matt play anything that was fun. And yeah, and then I bought I haven't played yet, but I bought Mike mad Might and Magic ten the new one,

so Mike Magic games can go all over the place. What what Might magic are we getting with my Magic ten? Uh? Well, what do you mean? This is their old style like a first person uh party Bass games, which if you ever play through game, Yes, this is the old style like nineties kind of gold boxy, well not gold boxy, but that kind of era of games. Uh the uh what's the other style of games? The Wizardry games or another ones that are like it. It looks

like a basic updated version of it that seems real nice. Does look like they you know, it's a lower price. I think they plan to make a lot of money off DLC stuff and that's how they planned to keep it going. But who's putting those out? You know, I can't remember who did it. I just I was waiting for it to come out. Everybody was saying like, ah, you know, it's not there yet, so I figure out. You know, what was awesome that Might Magic one,

the weird puzzle game that came out on the on Xbox Live. What the heck was the name of that, Brad? It was awesome Clash of Heroes. Yeah, that was a sick yeah game man, Yeah, it was a good game. It was like a puzzle kind of like weird came a weird puzzle battle or kind of weird match up. Anyway, Might Magic ten? Have you played the rest of them? Caught up? I played like six and seven back in the days. I mean, the fun parts with

those games is really there. Super tactic based. It's almost like playing you know, your traditional like Infinity Engine style game, except everybody's there, so you'll normally deal with like positioning and things. Uh. The recent game that would be similar to it is what was the Real Time one that was the indie devs. Oh uh you played it. I know you played it, the dungeon car with the puzzle. Yeah, grim rocks think it was great. Yeah, so similar style games, except uh, these games are not

real time. It's not like but they move in that same jaunted sure like you hit forward, you move forward. Have you seen one step? Have you seen a paper? Was a paper sorcerware and brand, Yeah, which is basically like that Legend of grim Rock, kind of Pools of Radiance Bard's tale style but all black and white. Kind of interesting. I saw like the Legend of grim Rock. Guys are doing like a weird series, serious video series. I mean they're they're making a sequel to the game. Yeah,

no, I know that too. They've been working on it for a while. Yeah. Game was was You should play that game? And yeah, it was good. It's fun. Reminded me a lot of what was the what was the There was a like FMV kind of dungeon crawl like mid nineties. Yeah, yeah, exactly, board with Kirk Cameron. Uh. Oh hell. It had a little green Yoda looking guy that popped up when you when you were about to get killed by monsters that appeared in the middle

of nowhere, but it was all dungeon. It was a kind of game that you like, get out a pad of paper and and like you need graph paper to make a map before. I wish I can remember what it's called. Is a CD game. Let's I'll be playing this week? Anything else going on? Woodworking? Oh yeah, William, we need to just start a woodworking podcast. Well let's talk to Will first, because it sounds like Will may have been digging into some heavy wood. Uh also, yeah,

yeah, some real dig cherry. So Will what have you been up to? Well? I think last time I was on when we talked about Darksiders one, which I had just finished up. That's a good game. It was great. Remember it's really good games. See the sun was a real long time ago. And then then this was the week before dark Siders two came out not so good. It turns out I was a little disappointed. Oh no, no, I've been playing. I played a lot of

Blanky this week. Yeah, what are you playing on PC? So I started out last when it came out on an Xbox, and I played a fair amount on Xbox and got to the point that I could kind of regularly get to the jungle and then started playing other stuff instead, because I mean, I get past the mind get past the minds. So I played maybe for a week. It's the first level. It's the first four levels, thank you very much. Let's say it's the first world. First world.

Yeah. So I picked it back up again, and I can get back. I can reliably get to the jungle. I've built a tunnel now. Okay, yea so helped man has helped me out. I fulfilled all his needs and now I can skip the minds and get to the jungle. And you're playing on whatnot PC? Okay, yeah, the personal computer? Are you doing the daily challenges? And the daily challenge is a strong hook for me, Yeah, because I like the I like the like the way I

played Blanky. I'm competing against myself, right I want to I want to get my daily challenge. I want to get past the minds. That's my goal right now. If I get past the minds, I feel like I'm doing pretty good. If I get past say, if I get to like the fourth level of the jungle, I'm doing great. That's pretty good.

But then it's a real bummer because then he's like, I feel the chill from the I'm like, oh, man, the entrance was just somewhere, just right there, I wouldn't find out what tunnel Man wanted, and maybe this time he would help me. A tunnel fucking tunnel man doesn't show up on daily challenges. It's bullshit. Oh really, no, no tunnel Man

on daily challenges. I don't think it's challenge. So I've dabbled with daily challenges a little bit, and that seems like a great mode for people who already play a lot of Splunky. But if that's all you're ever gonna do, it's kind of a bummer because it encourages you to ignore a lot of major part of that game. Yeah, because tunnel Man to win the challenge, you can't spend any money. It's a difficult enough game that I feel like you should make your own challenge, like you should. You should.

It's like, like I said, it's like playing golf, like you're not going out there. And if I'm playing golf with Tiger Woods, I'm playing against my handicap, not against Tiger Woods. Play golf against Tiger Woods. No, never, I'd be amazing. Well I am will spid So, Yeah, I played played a fairmount of Bilunky. I like that. I stream it sometimes if I'm up and it's not too late, because that's what

you do with Splunky apart. People find this fantastic Will Smith play and they can just follow me on Twitter, right, you should tweet about it at Will Smith on Twitter. And then I played, Uh, let's see my wife and I've been playing a lot of like those kind of couch competitive games like nit Hog, Samurai Gun and that couch Competitive Game. I like that the CCG. Yeah, the CCG. Got it. That's not already taken

by something else. It seems familiar. I don't know why you disputed my theory for Samurai Gun, which is that you and I are too old to play against younger people. Drew. You're younger than us, right, yeah, yeah, so if we can be Drew, then your theory is wrong. You're saying a reaction time is like I played, I did a land party in the woods. What Yeah, I took my corner. Didn't get about you guys. This was a team building exercise. Last time we went

to the woods. I don't know. I think I was afraid we're gonna lose that canoe. That's hey, we were we were good canoe driving. We were fantastic, but I was playing a lot of the Samurai gun with people that were still in their twenties. How did you how did you power the things? It was in a cabin, It was still Internet and all that kind of stuff powered. Yeah, kind of heathen and brought my my giant and he ended my corn getting the hot toup together. No, what

did you get? It was just the three of you? Right, Yes, what did you guys eat for the whole weekend? Because I brought a bunch of assorted meats and then we put them over a fire. Well, that's right, you're a big thriller man. Your company, your company sounds much better than my company. Our retreat. They just go make a sit on blow broken glass for like four hours. Yeah, I don't know. Dave's company just sounds like a bunch of millennials. Yeah, fucking millennials.

But did then when I played that game, I was just I was getting destroyed. I was getting destroyed to such a degree that I decided to just play the game like to fuck with them, and I would just hide. And because I was dying so many times that I would just I would hide as a dead body maybe you need to be a little faster. I'm just man. You got to anticipate stuff. You gotta look into the used to be a competitive quake? Did you rocket Arena Player? And now ten Earth?

That's your bullshit. Any game that I can't like, said a CONFIG two. I'm not I'm no good at But that's not a landpard because you're just playing on your tower locally, right. We were doing that, but then we were also playing other stuff. You played TFC Classic. We did not play Team Fortress Classic. What else did you play? Uh? We played to the wee hours in your cabin in the woods? Did we play?

We played a lot of Oh, what the hell's that? We were just talking about that, trying to think of the game get a little well. We played a lot of Monaco, which is great because I play that game. It's just a wrecking ball. I just don't care who else is playing that game. And then we were playing the what's the game where you

sit you unlock, don't shoot your pants? That's yeah, that's the game where you don't shoot you unlock all the characters and the prowboy and yeah, Risk of Rain, yeah is pretty good, which is a good fun game. Will Smith. Yeah, you play what other collectible couch games do you play? So Samurai gotten nit Hogg mostly right, those are two fantastics. I didn't I realized I meant to back the Sports Friends Kickstarter and then I didn't, So I feel like a bad person kind of. I want to

say, you can't right now. No, the pre orders are closed, so I can't. So you can't pay your way into the I cannot pay my way into the alpha's right now. But I'm I've gotten kind of weirdly obsessed with like nit Hogg especially, game is great. Yes, Nit's fantastic. How is how is Samurai going with two people? Uh? It's it needs more people? Think we three is probably optimal. Four seems like like when I played four at packs it was way too much shit going on.

Could have been because I've never played it before. But like two is two becomes two is like it is like three dimensional nithog basically, so you end up with it's kind of you know, who moves first usually ends up dying, so it becomes who can wait the other person out? And it's it's good. It's good. Like I've known my wife for a long time and when we met. We used to play a lot of like sitting on the couch playing ness and then sixty four games and those games have gone away?

Is it very long? Times? Thank you? You can beat Drew. You walk him on my house and play. We played the original Mario Cars probably new back then. Man. I want that game to have like just moments where it stops the action of pauses it and then asks you, like a random history question, so then I can like and then I can get my win in. I'm like, I could use my brain, I can use my Simy Carter's vice president. Yeah, exactly who did video kill?

I know this one can't be real history questions. It has to be like MTV history. It just kills him and like some brutal, horrible way or gives me a power up. Finish this sentence. Yeah, welcome to MTV News. I'm Kurt, Yeah Loader, you got it and just skiing being like I don't get it. So what Samantha Samantha Tath Tatha, who is the host of Headbanger's Ball Freaking Ricky Rack. No, man, Matt Pinfield, No, No, that was on a how are you? How are you doing there? Drew Yo? MTV blanks. Yeah, they rap I

can't remember who hosted that. No MTVS raps was h lover and and uh and and dre Yes not the doctor. Bill Delny is just like Man about Town. He was on all their stuff. Man about Town put that on a card. Man about Town, Yeah, many caramel Man about Town you're kind of about well if anything else. Uh yeah, So you know, I really love Dungeon Keeper. I have a lot of love for that game. Yeah, And I went and against my better judgment, I downloaded the

iOS. Why Why Because EA has kind of a ship track record lately with iOS games, like they've like the Plants Versus Zombies Two Things is still a little sour. Even though they came back and made it a little bit better after the release, I'm still a little bitter about that. So I opened it up when I installed it, and and it's it's like it has Farmville timers so energy. Yeah, well it's it's not energy. It's that when you mind resources, you need to wait. It takes X number of minutes

to mine each resource. But it's not a it's a it's a macro level of time, not a like here I'm sitting here playing the game for five minutes I can hours hours probably, It's like it's like Tiny Tower style, It's like this will be finished in twelve hours. Yeah, but there's a lot more currency stuff going on with Tiny Tower and this. The upgrade tree

is fiendish. So in order to like, in order to unlock any dudes beyond the first like three or four, you have to upgrade your dungeon heart, which is the you know, the thing in the center of your dungeon that you attack when you raid and stuff. And in order to upgrade that beyond like level three, you have to have fifty thousand of something. But in order to store fifty thousand of the thing that you need, you have to upgrade three other things. And in order to upgrade those, you have

to upgrade two other things. Sound like you're having fun, fuck those guys, how much? What's the best value? I haven't. I haven't. Also, every every single thing on the UI has a plus next to it. You can tap to increase it, and some of it upgrades. Some

of it is using the gem currency. The gem is the thing you buy with money, I think, So you can use gems to buy gold or stone, which are the two resources you mind, But it's it's a. It's a. It makes me real sad because there's a really neat game buried inside here. There's a thing where you can go raid your friends dungeons and you can like attack their dungeons. Like there's a multiplayer component that could have

been fucking amazing. The I'm not gonna ever see that, I ever suggest anybody else played this on Twitter. But white Hot rage about this game that bad. Huh. It's people. I mean, that's like a beloved franchise, you know, well, you know it's I think it's one of those things. I'm not defending it. Don't go not defendingender, not any defense dungeon Defender. This is Vinnie's talking about Dungeon Keeper on the iOS and saying that I wonder if in a meeting it was like the only way this game

was gonna see the light of day. But then put a new ip on it. Man. Yeah, like I'm not defending it. But yeah, like why because they wouldn't have gotten you. Yeah, but I'm not ever going to give them money. I'm so I was so angry about it at one point I thought I might just never give them money again. Hey, Like I still haven't bought Battlefield for Fuck those guys. I'm I'm yeah, I'm you know, you're getting off the EA train, like it's a rain

of disappointment and heartache. Battlefield for I got no problems. You're gonna break your annual Madden. It never crashed for you when that building came down. Yeah's trash. It did crash in the first like two weeks. But you know, I like the game. I thought those mechanics were super smart. Nobody that it's a good game. It's just a fucking smoldering train wreck every time I get ready to go. First month, like, if it worked, I think everybody would be super happy with it. The first month I

thought it was that way. I think it's largely improved, and I bought. I bought Need for Speed that came out with the with the new consoles, you know, last year's Hot Pursuit or Most Wanted or whatever it is. It's like all that EA. They took the stuff that was good about the burnt Burnout Paradise. They're having a tough time. Yeah, like they they they're bad at online is what I think it is. I think they should just make single player stuff that's not connected to the internet like mass Effect.

Yeah, like, well, yeah, I would totally play more mass Effect. That would be great. I got good news for you. Hey what really? Yeah? Really? Wait you didn't know, I don't. I don't. Yeah, they're making it. They're they're deep in the making a new man is it multiplayer only they haven't said anything about what it is because unfortunately it's just Shepherd playing Farmville over and over again, and so it

looks like you're going to be space. He just walked something in his or hurt retirement just at the beginning of like you know, Mass Effect two just has that, and in Farmville just shows up in the coffee sitting there and he's actually in Origin mostly time messages. That's how he's got to beat the Reapers man in a hot Farmville match. Hey guys, since to the update,

fifty five thousand roads still fucking suck. So uh so you know, No, Will Smith does not give two thumbs up for dungeon Keeper on the iOS. No, No, you can get the real dungeon Keeper from goog dot com. That's good old game. Oh no, it is Goog. It is no longer gone gas right, it's I was not it doesn't it's

hard to get running. Sorry, just real quick. Since you mentioned that need for speed game, I thought I saw this headline today and it is in fact true layoffs hit ghost games, oh un announced need for speed title mothballed. Thanks, well so that's pobably gone. Yeah, thanks a lot, So boy news travels fast for all those now life, thank you for it looked really pretty Uh, will anything else going on? No, that's it? I tell all right, Well it's world working. Yeah, let's

talk all right, talk about serious business. You know what's going on, Who's who's building? What? What's on your bench? Let's talking about what's on the bench? Will I am? I had a long, hard talk with Steve Lynn at Packs about making Mame cabinets last year, and he convinced me that was a bad idea to make a mame cabinet. Yeah. What were his points? He said, it's you know, the spawn of Satan. So Norman West are building one. But that's fine, that's cool.

They didn't have to talk with Steve. But I wanted to build a cabinet. And and I got kind of into these couch competitive games, the CCGs, so but they all use analog I like I originally thought that he would be cool to build a cabinet that you can play these games with. Most of the arcade sticks, yeah, are four way or eight way or maybe octagonal, which isn't gonna I guess that's eight way binary. You're either moving

or not. Their digital pads, just like the deep pad on your on your game pad, or their or their leaf switches or whatever whatever it is they are, they are you're moving, yeah, right, or you're either going or you're not. There's no moment slowly and there's no in betweens. So I was talking to the idle thumbs guys a few weeks ago and we were like, we had a dumb idea, and you know, one thing led to the other. And then I ordered a bunch of joysticks from the

internet. Yeah uh, And I found someplace that makes analog, which I think is incredible arcades sticks really, and they do it for evil Just to be clear, they do it for mame cabinets. So you can have a software configurable eight way, four way, two way, vertical, two way, horizontal joystick, so it's yeah, or don't have to like turn restrictor or something like that. It's a terrible just don't. Don't if you want to, why are you railing against the main cast? Go with it.

If you're gonna bank a Maame cabinet, make a four way stick or an eight way stick, or get one that's like mechanically configurable. But the ones that are software, it's not gonna work. Well, it's gonna be an that. It's gonna be a bad experience. You're gonna have a bad time. And I need to have Like then I needed like different control panels, and I gotta like take them all. We got put my track ball controlling on my They gotta put my pac Man one on that's just four way,

and then I gotta put my jous one on. And that's so the same people that make the analog stick make a four way eight way that has a motor that moves the restrictor from four way mode to two. That's awesome. Totally down with that. So you got this analog stick and have it as it works because there is analog control in NID everything. Almost all these said maybe Bari Bari ball has nihog won't let you use the deepado, you can't

use the dpad. I think you can move I don't remember you might be able to You might be able to play anywhere I get with the deepend, but I can't. I don't think it would work well. You can use it. You can move slowly and you you have better air control with the analog than digital, like you have speed. You can there's a because if you think about it, when you play Nihog, if you run in do the duck, then you'll cart wheel if you're going fast, and you roll

if you're going slow. All right, so you just roll all the time. No, you can have without a sword. Maybe pick up we'll have for science. So you you built a prototype. I built a prototype. So I'm building a couple of prototypes. I got the first one done. But I found this analog stick. It's really good. We'll post about it on this untested So are you thinking about building a full stand up cabinet. I want to build a full stand up cabinet. Don't think cocktail would really

work with that? Would No? I want four players. I want like like a four NFL Blitz or super wide fucking big ass care putting in big question. What's going in for the screen? Uh? Probably probably LCD, a big old LCD. Yeah, I think like a big wide screen, probably wide screen, Okay, I don't. I don't think it's a good idea, like for me personally to have to marrow. We get carry a

twenty seven pounds RT around, so you probably make it pretty thin. Then maybe I like the traditional form factor, but maybe it'll be I don't know. I haven't. I don't have to be that deep. Haven't gotten the cabinet. You do want some stability, though, because you're gonna slapping that thing. So I'm talking on a little ap plywood, a little a little I like a probably a half inch for the for the sides, maybe a quarter inch with some lets over the top stuff mostly particle board, particle.

I'm gonna paint it the outside. I'm gonna see a apply with probably so the inside will be the sea. And I think I'm gonna paint. I'm not gonna stand up going with like like a beach veneer applywood on there. You're gonna kind of cheap. No, I wouldn't make something that looks modern. Ok what would a nice little birch beer? Yeah? God, what a hipsterish thing to do? I like, I like, yeah. We

We talked to Tom Sacks a few months ago. For a thing. He's an artist, and he said you should show your mistakes and show your work, which, as a would ward, is that means if you fuck something up, Oh yeah, that's fine, just leave it. We've be at the website school. What if you if you like, need to put a screw into something to hold in a place while the glue is drying, that's fine, just leave the holder. Non buddy, shut up, there's any

more clamps. I built a outfeed table that goes off a swing. That's pretty awesome. That's that's uh, to my table saw. But talk about the mistakes I made. Uh, it's got you know, the table sauce got wheels on the bottom that you can push down, so it actually pushes the table saw up so you can move it around. The problem was I did the measurement for how tall the table saw was while those were down, and I built my entire outfeed table. Yeah it's so that doesn't work.

So I had to actually take the whole thing off and then take the perfect table that I made, like really nice with nice frame around it, and put the actual table on the table saw and cut two inches off of it. If you had a sauce all you could have just done that without having to take the whole thing apart. Now, but it's nice. How wide is your oundfeed table? It's probably like the feet it's forty inches by thirty six. I wish I lived in the suburbs. No, but it's but

it slides stand. That's the whole point. It's like it's two inches up against the wall. Well, so so will in your in your garage? Now? Yeah? Do you uh you have power tools? Uh? No? Not really? Are you mostly handled like hand sauz? And now I go to somebody else's shop. Although for this, yeah, I haven't made

any announcement. I haven't actually talked to the people yet, but I think I'm gonna see if I can borrow time on a CNC router to do this, to do what to do the to build the cabinets so that I don't have to because we're probably gonna make multiples. You're like, this is a stand up full size, stand up full size, So I get a big router. There's a coll with that take to make one couple of places that have ten ten foot by ten foot CNC routers in town that you can either

pay or maybe negotiate a trade or something for time on. So they'll they'll go fast because they'll cut through a whole sheet at a time. Wow, So you can probably, I mean I think I don't. I've never actually used this before. I just watched other people use it, so I'm an expert. I mean you're talking stock that's like seven feet tall, right, yeah, probably six feet I think I think probably four by eight would be my guests if I'm buying sheets, and then ye wait, what do you

design the cabinet? And if you go the same sketch up? Well, although most had style, Yeah, if you don't need depth. So if I can design, if I can get the cab designed to a way that I don't need to like route out holes underneath to make room for buttons or whatever, then it'll be an I should be able to put multiple stacks of the wood. It fits like four inches long, so you could you could

just cut you know, four four sheets at a time. That's gonna go real fast, right, Well, because the signs are the same also, right, yeah, exactly, if both sides of the same, then you can do two machines in four sheets supply wood. Yet the back I can just I can cut myself. I'm not I can do that at tables. I'm not worried about that. That's cool. So yeah, I'm gonna try that. I don't know if it's gonna happen or not, and the inside will probably just be a PC. Yeah, the inside. So we we've

been working. We've been doing a lot of steamo as stuff lately, just kind of noodling that we're gonna shot a video tomorrow. Yeah, tell me the there's not a whole lot of Linux games, it turns out. Yeah, there's like three hundred my that I have, but that's in the weird account. That's respectable. Yeah, that's not terrible. No, no, I know, but I'm just saying that's all of them at But it's all a lot of It's like it's all it's almost all stuff it's been in Humble

bunbles, is what it seems like. So tux Racer, No, no, tux Racer, that's open source. But there's like all the Bastion you want. Yeah, Quake. Yeah. I've been testing the streaming stuff too, though, which is kind of Yeah, that's what I'm most interested in. I was really good. Really, I can't I can't vouch for people's home networks, but on our weird corporate network, and there may be some mintogatting factors or something. But I watched Jeff at his desk the other day

try to stream Octo Dad from the PC down in the studio. Uh huh, it's not good. So Norm had problems with Octo Dad specifically, Like there's a lot of game specific bugs, like like some games, like especially fast frame rate games like Injustice and nit Hog. If you try to stream either of those, then you end up playing it like half speed because it's a sixty frame per second game. Eventually the speed went way down. But also just even in the menus, there was just a huge amount of latency.

Yeah, so on my home network, which is a gigabit ethernet, it's it's pretty good for things that are controller based, like like single player games like Saints Row the Fourth a BioShock Infinite like I went through a bunch of like last year's Triple A titles and that it works great. Meat Boy I could play, but only early levels when you got far enough into meat Boy that like defending Yeah, like that level that Brad played you. I

would never try. I would never try Splunky Daily Challenge. With the streaming, there's just just enough latency. Maybe I haven't tried that yet. That's something I don't have a lot of racing games. Would you say it is completely dependent on your network. Yeah, like wireless, you're gonna have to turn the So I'm streaming at TENNYP. I think unlimited band with is what I haven't said to and I don't. I don't think you can control frame rate yet. But yeah, like the stuff I'm streaming is fine. I

would never play anything competitive. I would never play anything that's like like timing super timing intensive. But if you just want to go shoot some dudes in Saints Row, it's pretty good. And it gets lets you play stuff that's never going to be on or won't be on Linux for the foreseeable future in the living room without having to run the thirty foot h yeah or put a

lot. So I read your article. There's a ride up on test that it also takes over the host machine, right, yeah, so the so it's not like you can play one game on your main computer and one play one game there. It'll show up on your monitor like a normal one and the Steambox capture sound. So you so like the sound gets piped out of the living room. Usually doesn't come out of the speakers attached to your PC. But sometimes it's a little buggy, as if it's playing the game.

Yeah, as if it's playing the game. So like, if you can make it seem like the computer's remote viewing stuff, it's real weird. What were you playing with? Like? What was your control? So I hooked up different Sony controllers. I tried both the PS four and the PS three. There was some configuration weirdness with the PS four. PS three seemed to work okay, but mostly I just plug in one of those Xbox wireless dongles and use Xbox controllers. Yeah, they just plugs in it just to text

the Xbox controllers. It just knows what it is and everything works. Yeah, you get this free. Get this. It's a free download. I am running it, so we're gonna have a video up later this week. The machine I built is an Intel nukebox, So it's uh Intel they call it the next unit of computing is what nuke stands for. And you see, but it's like about the size of an Apple. It's a little bigger than an Apple TV and smaller than like, uh, I don't know.

It's smaller than a cigar box, like a car, Yeah, like a car. It's like a dump truck. Yeah, yeah, smaller than a truck. But it's it's basically a motherboard with a CPU soldered on. It has all the cooling and stuff built in, and then you add either a hard driver and MS added drive, depending on which one you I yea,

which are you know? I'm sad of those little card looking things, and you add a wireless card if you need that, and then so it's like two hundred and seventy five bucks for the box, which is kind of expensive, but it's like a it's a I five, so it's not it's not a it's a has well based I five, so it's not a shitty CPO it has. It has good enough integrated graphics to play pretty much anything that

was available native, so bashion and all that stuff works great. Thomas was alone when it worked, worked indie games, indie games, and then enough to decode the video. The video is no problem. Yeah. Did you try any like source engine stuff on there? I don't think I have yet. I know, probably the most demanding stuff on Linux that I can think of, yeah. I want to say metros on there too, but I could be wrong. I think they have a Linux version of Metric, but

maybe not. Have you gotten your hands on and any of the Steam controllers stuff to have, Yeah, we we did. We've spent a little bit of time with it at CS. Can you talk about it, Yeah, but I mean I don't think I have anything like, it's nothing new to add, it's yeah. I mean I feel like you're not gonna know if that things any good until you sit down and play shitload of games with it. And we had maybe fifteen minutes with Portal one, which wasn't great.

But the haptic feedback is on the so those big circles the controller touchpad things have haptic feedback. So as you get it's not like you just feel a ring around the edge or something when you get close to the edge. It actually pulses as faster as you get further away from the center, so you have real constant feedback about about like where your thumbs distracting or I didn't find

it distracting. I The thing that annoyed me more than anything on is that on the movement stick, you you like, you can't just tap and know exactly where the center is. So when you were trying to do a jumping puzzle in portal, which is really bad experience with the game pad to begin with, Like you you if you were you could never take your thumb off, if you were someplace that moving in any direction was going to kill you. You have to stay relative to where you were, because it stays relative

to where. Yeah, So like it's I mean, they're working on it. I remain cautiously optimistic, but I don't have any you know, we're gonna have to when they come out, we'll get them and we'll spend a sht load of time with them like everybody else will, and and you're gonna have to make your own opinion. I'm I mean, maybe I'll be able to play seven five in the living room, but I don't think so, because I think the UI is still going to be really small and shitty.

So probably. Yeah. Uh, that's why would working project Dave Snyder? What you got on the bench? How's your outfeed table? Welcome to the actually work? Why do you need it? Well, that's what's what's good past the outfeed table. Why do you need a two foot out of feed to? Yeah, I usually just let the board and flop off the what do you what do you table? That's fine? Right, Well, because you got when you do rip cuts. I hear you've got a really long

piece. Well, what are you doing well? I made a toy chest. Nice, that was that was the start, but a whole way more expensive tools to make a like one hundred and fifty dollars to chest. But it's not about it's not about that. Yeah, it's like now you can make it as many toy tests as you want. I said you were doing pocket screws. It was great. I did all that. But that's yeah, but that's easy. That's like you buy your jig for your pocket.

It's not fine woodworking. Now I've graduated now doing like dovetails. Wow by hand. Yeah, I don't give a shit. I I will buy the thing that helps me naked east. So are you doing it with your router? Yeah, I've got a router. I made a router table. Put that attachment onto my Yeah. I've gone with your brand. I've gone deep like you're a paramedic guy. No, I buy whatever whatever. You all kind of mixed stuff. Okay, So do you have all? Right, I've got a rigid table, so which is nice? And then I got

a rigid table. So just talking about this, what uh what is your air filtration system? Uh? That's bad and in fact, I should not buy from that bad anymore. I had noticed that shit. I was just using like a shot back. Yeah, but then I started noticing. I was like, I think I'm getting a cold. Why do I keep having a cold. It's because you gotta wear masks or when you watching the videos online of like, hey, I'm gonna look up this thing. I just

want to see how you do this cut. And guys have like hazmat suits on with ventilation systems and fans above their head and they're like bo and then take it off and oh yeah, I just had to do a little cut on this thing, and I'm gonna do it again, so don't mind the noise, but I'm gonna put on my Cyclone air filtration system. Like Jesus I my dad never had that in his garage. But the weird thing for me is it's strangely like comforting. I feel it's no it's a natural switch

to me to do the all the measurement and cutting stuff for woodworking. After doing web do you guys shop and sketch up or anything. Do you like build plans with a tool or do you just draw? I draw all the stuff, and sometimes I end up where I make those dumb mistakes. But it's been fun. The finishing stuff's been probably harder to me than the spray finish finishing his way fun said, you already had a spray gun, didn't

you, from I have a spray gun. Yeah, because before I gotten into this, I was taking old furniture that I bought at auction, Yeah, and then just refinishing it, uh to make it nice. So we took the next logical step. It's like I want to build, you know, my next one will probably be like a nice coffee table. You guys are just waiting until your dad. It's just something triggers and you're like,

yeah, we should go to the home depot, you know what. Totally, But but the home depot is not where you don't go to the don't go there by screws. Yeah, we should potato, we should really go why we're just going to the park. But it's also weird because like how old that hobby is, Like it's for old men. Yeah, So I now get like seven catalogs at my house because that's how they sell. Or you gotta go to like a swap. Yeah, I gotta go get some

tools, gotta go to the swap. Look at these Stanley planers. I could just fix them up if I have you Have you been to Beef? No, you should go to McBeth. Beeth is the good hardwood place in San Francisco where it's set in East Bay or something. No, no, no, it's down It's uh, it's right at the one on one two eighty split south of the south of San Francisco. It's it's like north. It's in South San Francisco, but not the city South San Francisco, the

south part of San Francisco, the city. I definitely took like an hour and a half trip to go to the hardwood place, and they were They're pretty awesome. Beat's great. It might have been it might have been the one. I love going into those places because you go into those there and you're like, hey, I'm just starting out. I don't really know what I'm doing. Yeah, but here's what I want to do, and I

here's how I think I should do it. And then then like three dudes will come over and they're like, Oh, you should do that, you should do this, you should buy he Born Freedom sherry. They're usually pretty good. They're like, yeah, you just use plywood for that. You don't need to buy expensive stuff. This is a plywood video, or they use the expensive stuff. They've got all the same, they all make the same joke. When you've got your kid with you, like going through the

hardware store, they're like, why did you bring your boss? Yeah, when I went to it was actually kind of a bum when I went to the hardwood place with Max. Uh. There was like the forklift and everything around, and he like looks at Max and he looks at the forklift and he's like, man, if this for fifteen years ago, we'd be riding around on the forklift, oh manmore. And I was like, Oh, that's such a bummer. They don't let you ride the forklift with your kid

anymore. I guess not. It's like kind of bumms like different times. Yeah, at different times, he was kind of bummed. I used to get to drive the front endloader and stuff. We'd go to construction sites, but they don't do that anymore. Let me shoot him down, So but he what's on your bench, I am. I am building this jewelry box. I went in. I should have done what Dave did, but I so I don't have room for power tools. And frankly, I am myself

too dangerous to be around a power tool. Like the tools not dangerous. I'm an idiot. I was sharing will before. I've got cuts in my hand for my hand tools. So I'm doing it hand tools. And then I think I mentioned this before. When I was starting to get in to it, Everybody's like, go my dad, which so missus. My dad said it. I ignored it, and then everything else was like, go buy pine and build something. I was like, fuck that non bon retto,

motherfucker. Really Jesus dude, I'm diving in. So I've been working on that. It's just really hard to work, right, It's like everything. I'm like, boy, when I watched their videos and they're using these tools, it's like knife through hot butter. When I go at it, it's like marble, uh and everything tears out and it's horrible. But I finally have a man a power persevered. I'm on second half of that jewelry box. It took me about a month and a half to do the first

set of dovetails by hand. Jesus, I finished them. Well, this is a month and a half on my dad time, right, so like four every three weeks, so about four hours. And then it took me last weekend from start to finish. I did all four corners of dovetails on

the other one one weekend. I was so proud of. My wife could not understand why I kept walking out with this box and like she just was like that's great, and I was like just walking around this frame, this Marcus and a box to be like no, no, look, just like I get a tweetie like getting in your chair stroking the box, kind of like showing she was on the phone, like I had some problems at home with like her mom and stuff, and I'm like shoving, like slowly moving

the box, but like look at what I made, mom, Look look what I made. And then you then you start saying the worst line ever that you get from being an amateur hobbyist. We're like she's like, oh, yeah, you know, we could really I could make that. Yeah, well I can make that, and then she's like you know, and then you're sitting there and you're like just like being sixty dollars to buy it

your consumers culture. She has said, I trust you to make that call, because I've said it so many times with this boy where it's just like, you know, so, you know, if we were to get a house and stuff, like you know what if we had like a nice new chest of drawers and a bed. If he made a new bed for Max, it's like, would you would you let him sleep in it? She's like, I trust you to make that. I said to Nicole, not just yesterday, maybe I could make a baby gate there you go for the

steps lutton for puny. Yeah, because that's what I want, is to make something that I would make. Yeah, and yeah, sure. The fear with this has always you end up with like the Homer Simpson version of the thing, right, like the the your tongue sticking out and you're having your thumb lined up there and you're, well, so making this jewelry box. It's she designed it, which was awesome. It's uh, it was,

it's it's actually been really great. Like I jumped in way too deep, but I finally feel like I'm getting a great excuse to buy new tools. No, I really think I'm getting better. But having made the thing out of red oak. My dad did a lot of woodworking when I was younger, and so I kind of knew about it. But he was definitely a power tool guy, and like now he's getting actually more into hand tools.

I did not realize how dense and heavy this was gonna be. And now it's like the eighty pound jewelry box that is made of solid oak. I didn't realize what it uh, you know, it's probably like a foot so it stands vertically and then it kind of ope swings open, like two sides open up, the kind of like the room. Yeah, what do you put in there? Your Italian horns? Yeah? Change, Yeah, there's gold. Change from the bottom. The crosses are a little longer.

Well, she wants to like hang her necklaces from it and like have bracelets and stuff hanging up. But she I was like when I showed it, the first one I gave it to and she was like, Jesus, but this is like eight pounds. So I was like, it's red oak, it's it's it'll last a lifetime. Did you put velvet? I think we're gonna put some velvet or felt or something on the bottom. We're not there yet, but you can see if you follow the corners. I should have

numbered them from beginning to end. You can see the worst dovetails down to where I am now. You can see my aggression over time. That's kind of like always starting the back. Yeah, that's your tool organization. It's shitty. They're on my jazz cabinet, like you know, like half of my time is half of Well, they're all hand tools, right, so I organize them. I put them all nice, but I don't have a

lot of room. You have some of those rolly things, like the things you slide into and then you roll them all out a tool roll, yeah, like a leather tool roll for some of them. But like half my time since it's hand tool stuff. I'll work for a day and then I got a oil everything and put it back and make sure Max can't get to it. And then the next day is like sharpening everything again because I'm working because I'm an idiot and working on like a super dense wood and everything gets

dull. So it's slow going. But like I'm learning a lot and I think it's super fun. So I think the hand tools are are I mean, okay, it's hard to cut off your finger with a like a handsall you stop. You really, you're really gonna work at it, but you know you can slice yourself. Chisels they're dangerous as hell. They are super They're a razor sharp and you just never put your hand on the receiving Endea. Do you have a good bench face? I have. You should get

a bench. I've got a jazz machine and I'm scare foot put get it. You need to get a Jauss machine. Vice. That's a bench. Vice. I've got one of those like workmates that they those like pop up kind of contractor tables. Yeah, that collapsible. You know, it's not great, but it does have a has a really shitty vice. The big challenge for me is that I have access to advice from people who are at

a dramatically higher skill level than me. Oh yeah, that would that would just make me not do it. Well, no, no it's not. It's not because the problem is, like if you ask Adam something, he has years of advice, years of experience making things as quickly as possible for film production. Yeah, so he's his answer to everything is just use some lu on. Put some lu on in there. What luan is a composite

material that is incredibly inexpensive, but you can cut it like wood. So like, if you want to make bendable plywood furniture, you can get flexible luan and then just put veneers on the outside call it a day. But you are looking for more handcraft, No, I actually have turned the corner from into just making it. I want to make. I want to make stuff that is uh much more modern than handcrafted. Yeah yeah, No, the mine and my stuff right now is right angle city. Yeah, I

think right angles. I Well, so I did pay which came out awesome. They turned out really did you see him? Okay? Actually no, I saw the real thing. Well maybe anyway, I was like, as I was building those, I wasn't sure if they were going to work, Like, I wasn't sure if they were going to be strong enough to support the weight of themselves without like some piece collapsing or one of those right angles falling. And like once that's lasted a year now Yeah, so I feel

like through the woods blue is strong, glue is crazy strong strong. Well I did, I did biscuits for that. So do you have a biscuit A biscuit cutter? Lingo man no, I know we're all joint. Half of the half of the appeal of this hobby is just spitting the jargon, isn't it's a whole thing. I want to talk about your butt joints in your tannions and your datos and your CRUs And do you have a Japanese hand saw pulse of No, get one of those. I have. I have

a flush saw which is similar. Is it like cut cur Yeah? Yeah, real small curf cuts on the pool, not on the push. Yeah, pull is that's what Japanese hands on. So I've got one of these. So it's bendable so you can cut the flush dowels uff that are great. Yeah, there's a lot of awesome curf. That's a great word. It's a good one. That curf is the thing that is left when you go through with the saw, right, it's the whole. It's the width it gets lost. So like if you were kind of way through a piece

of wood and then pull it up, that would be the curf. The curf is the thickness of the cut. It's yours. Yeah, right, when you if you want to cut on one side or the other of the line, because when you cut on the line. You using one board, you're cutting a board, and you're you're, you know, like breaking down a four by eight sheet, apply wood into nine inch thick pieces, mentioning your stock. Yeah, like if you if I had fund that up, it could have cost four hundred dollars, but if I did it right,

it cost one hundred and sixty. So I love that you're taking all the skill and then you made a tetris shelf. Yeah, and now you're building in our cake cabinet. So it at least stays like the main hobby. Well the next so the next thing is for me is probably like real furniture. I'm gonna have to Like the IKEA crib is going to be out growing in the next year or so. Yeah, that was great, it's the best. I gotta do a post all the kids stuff. But yeah,

I need to make a bed. I think I think I'm gonna make a bed. Would you trust yourself to make a bed? The tetriselves lasted so far, so yeah, why not put those on their side? Yeah, put the mattress on. You guys are gonna get into wood working too. It's fantastic. You try to do them every month. I hear there you go. I uh did a little growing up. I seem to remember a lot. It's probably just like school projects. And I built some picnic tables

for my Eagle Scout project. It's probably the last salt treating I did. What's that you salt treat for that? I don't know what that is. That's a salt treat. Salt treat is lumber that you treat with chemicals to make it resistant to woods and and fungus. I thought that's called no pressure treated. In old days we call it. This is a regional dialect thing the South, we call it salt treat. Yeah, pressure treated where it doesn't it doesn't. You just salt that wood keeps talking. Yeah, sliced

pork where I'm from. Thank you very much. Brad. You're gonna you're gonna get all my middle aged and my preferred use for wood is to split it and then burn it. There you go. I do that. I like. I like doing that when I'm back homing. But that's about it. Actually, I don't even split it. Usually you just put the logs on, just like the slow bird might. Ye. Yeah, my parents have an incredible wood stove spare of the air many did you play any video

games? Uh? So, I turn a decent amount of time doing that stuff in the garage, but I did. Uh, I've been playing Spunking on the Pew the Vita. I do that too. Are we we should be friends? We should be friends. If we're not, because it justsations. I had like four I am notice something like slow down in the frame rate when I got to the ice caves on the veto off. Yet every time every time I make it to the ice caves, I gonna listle down,

which was a little weird. I know that. I know the original developers didn't do that port, so I don't know if that has anything. It was weird because I never thought that game would be like too demanding for like a Vita. But maybe I'm crazy. I played tomorrow Dark Souls is kind of wrapping that up. I think I've gotten everything I want to get out of it. This is my second time through and I was just looking for some stories. Do you play in the PC this time? Or yeah?

This was this was on the piece. Is it less frame rate on the PC if you install the DS fix? Yeah, okay for sure, So d d S fix on the locks the frame rate, but like you go through Blacktown and it doesn't drop down to yeah, I'm in black Town now. I mean there's actually a couple of spots. It's like with the

DS fix stuff. It's been like a rock solid sixty for me right out right up until black Town, and there are definitely a few camera angles you can get where it's like as Yeah, there were some of those boss fights, just just like some of those boss fights got hard specifically because of the frame rate on that. It's it's it's fine for me on the PC. Yeah, really nice. I played some of that. We have a quick

look up. But you're talking about Dungeon Keeper. I played Mighty Quest for Epic Loot, which is going to be it seems like a free to play game. It's available on early Access on Steam now by you be Soft, and it's very similar to build a dungeon to have other people run it and you go out and you run dungeons. But it has a lot of those free to play mechanics in it as well. But it's a cartoony style and

I like it. I like the way it looks. But otherwise on the weekend, actually not too much, just some stuff I've been playing around here for work. You and I both played a little bit of the Sun at Night. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that is a quick look up now. Yeah, that's a wacky one. Yeah. Is it about the

sun being up at nighttime? No? I think the Sun at night has probably got to be some kind of like this, Dave is a alternate history where the Soviet space dog like a comes back down to find Earth ruined by that's stops. Not only that the dog, the dog and the course of returning to Earth. The dog becomes a cyborg and learns how to talk, or at least he's wearing some power armor. Done. Is it made by and the dog is an Estonian developers. It seems it seems to have been

written by native English speakers. But it's a lot of there are a lot of dialogue trees story so it's like you left, It's like Fallout but with you play like a dog side scrolling shooter though that's the Yeah, it's kind of arid of the it's weird. Of the conspiracy theories that exists, that's the only one that I can kind of like, somewhe get behind is still

alive. Know that that somebody died in space. Oh yes, before we got there, Like I was thinking there was a there was a pre Eori gigar and yeah, oh yeah, but yeah before before they got up. Somebody's killed a lot of dudes over the period that like we would know if the Russian facts about the two Italian brothers who had a Ham radio and picked

up a cosmonaut trying to contact Moscow before I think it was before. It wasn't major Tom, you know, it might be confusing that with another story that I think Mario brothers, that Italian brother they were in a pipe, there was a there was a wasn't a sound. I don't worry about it. Let's go get some mushrooms. They are there fast. There was that

crazy there was. There was one rushed space flight where I can't remember what it was that happened, but like you know, one re entry like the the heat of reentry creates the plasma around craft that disrupts radio communications and stuff, and somehow the guy like basically like fried on the way down because he wasn't able to communicate. That's the one. The other one I was going to mention he knew going up that that was gonna happen because he lost some

of his heat. Shill no launched. He's like, this is but he needed to do it for like political reasons because like when was this This is during this Cold War? I think right after Gagarian? Yeah, it was it was early, very specific timing there. Yes, I swear Free Love was probably still cooking on two. Might have been pre Free Love. You guys saw that people think that the Atlanta snow is because of chem trails.

Right, wait, the Atlanta snow. It snowed in Atlanta last week and the fucking end of times down there, is it because of chem trails? They thought it was because of chem trails because that snows are set burns dirty. The snow burns dirty. It turns out they were just using but change, which is a dirty burning fuel and makes everything black dirty. You put a lighter like a bit underneath the snowball. They were saying. They were like, it turns black. It's kem trailing yea, the snow, the

fucking it's it's fucking Obama man. Well, because they've been seating a luminum Sah and Obama okay, are seating aluminum into the clouds right to make it snow in Atlanta, get you sick so they can use it healthcare. Got it care in the NSA and snowden fucker. Yeah, making the snow in Atlanta with aluminum in the time and it's not a oh my god, in make sure you get shut down the roads you can't get clear. They've made Luigia doctor. Tell me about the dog. Tell me more about this dog.

It's like alternate history game. Because I have it does sound interesting. Here's here's the best part I read on our wiki for that game, that this developer is going to make two other separate games that are other alternate histories of like you guys have a wiki. I always wanted one of those. Stay. I'm working on it the office. I'm finally working on it. That's that's the rent. Everybody. Everybody can have one ound to everybody. What's the name of that game? The Sun at Night? Sun at Night?

Is it on Steamer? Don't have to buy somebody's else. H It's it's on Steam, green Light. I think it's for sale on goog dot com, gone and some Humble stuff. Okay, maybe de surah. Let's do news news and here, uh, let's do some news music. We'll do this. Got gorking devils, Bruce. He said, it's not advice, but to you to drink the devils is not adv to you. Live right now. A special treat for you guys who's here. Patrick Kleppick, the newsman, Shytown's own dog Chicago. That is what I know. Keep

getting ready for him, big peck clippics. It's coming at you. That's gross back. Say hi to shot Town. I don't want to say hi to that either. He is a nice dog. He's got a nice dog. Patrick Cleippick, Hi, Patrick, My dog doesn't like the cold. Oh yeah, you do. You have to get a jacket. Uh. The jacket's not really the thing. It's the boots, which I was I am anti dog clothing. I think that you know, it's degrading, it's

degrading. But so then when we moved here and it got uh negative forty she's during one week with a wind chill, and I would take my dog out and she would just sit down and I'd be like, god damn it, Like yeah, it's dog is just being she's just acclimating. Uh. And then we would go and like I'd pick her up and like take her in your spots and then you know, you try and find other dog pee and then you set your dog near it, they sniff it, they pe

you're done, bring them back inside. But then she kept she kept sitting down. And then I found out it's because for a lot of breeds of dogs, the salt that we use to get rid of snow like just scratches away at their skin, right, and as I've heard, also gets in the between the pads on their on their feet too. And then yeah, so my dog was like sitting down because I'm in pain, sir, please please stop drag you can't go on my feet hurt. Have you figured out

a solution? Yeah, you get those dumb boots. And then I just realized that I realized with my dog is wearing a jacket and it's wearing boots. But I'm married, so it doesn't really matter anymore. So who cares? Can you forget about the dog boots? I want to hear about the dog litter box? Yeah, something to those. Can we interest you in

woodwork? Can you keep? Does that work? I think you just take this in the next step and like you wear get big trench coat and put the dog as your head with like a monocle and a top hat and then like walk into stores and have the dog asked these like the bathroom or something that's stick your arms around. And that's where I'm that dogs don't need to

be dressed up and they do need to be the head. Well to sort of to related to that, as Brad's point is that we started getting very desperate in the negative forty degree weather where we would she wouldn't even leave the the apartment. And I don't blame her, like a small dog. It's a small dog. And it's not even that it's just negative forty, Like it's negative forty because of the windshiels. So you have like these gale winds outside of our apartment that like I don't even want to go out in.

So my dog is just like I'm not doing this, and I was like, well this is this is not a long term solution to this problem. Dog, Like we're here. So my mom had bought like I just considered it to be a joke and I just threw it in storage like one of those potty pads, like the little things the patches of grass something does have a little fire hydrant on it. No, but it's got like it claims to have sense on it, but you know, I just feel like that must all just be like a bunch of BS. So I just put it

down in desperation one afternoon. Uh, And now she uses it like clockwork, like every the days that are bad, she immediately goes to that. She scratches it, and she goes on it. And I don't know, maybe it is all BS, but it worked for us. And now like they're I don't have to clean up you're in every every four hours. So does she poop on it? She doesn't poop on it. But it's a

small dog. So when I feel like it's just preparing me for children, Like I'm just getting used to the idea of feces being everywhere, so I'm just acclimated when I make that transition your meals, what is that? What understand? I don't even understand where you go with It's like mustard colored in the mustard phase. I was gonna say it, just throw chili around the house. We started. We gave her chilunch. She learned to unzip her sleep sack the other day, which seems like it would be great, except

now there's access to the diaper area in the nighttime. I'm just waiting for her to painople all gross. It's all great. So yeah, Patrick's Patrick. What else is news? Nintendo announced like a bunch of stuff last week. They speaking shitty news. Yeah, and well, yeah, they've they've been clearly been doing poorly financially. And the big rumor coming out of h and I forget how you pronounced it's like the Nica. I think that's Nintendo

Nintendo. Oh okay, I think the Japanese papers the Nika. I believe that's how you pronounce it, but I might be getting it wrong. Anyway, they had a big rumor that and it's not even a really room with them. They're like, that's like the equivalent of like the Wall Street Journal reporting on something, So you know, it's a rumor, it's anonymous sources.

But they've been incredible with Nintendo stuff in the past, saying that you know, They're big solution going forward is to produce mini games for smartphones. Uh. The idea being that if they produced stuff for other platforms, it would drive sales on their platforms, and WATA had cited in the past that there was precedent for this. This game called Puzzles and Dragons, which I don't know if that's popular over here. Is that a thing? It's pretty

big. I don't know that it's as big as that game is insanely successful, right and it's and it's a free to play thing that's hugely a successful in Japan, but then went on to sell millions of copies as a full

fledged three D S game. Uh, you know where they like, they expanded it out and they you know, they made it into a you know, a bigger, better thing that was sort of like I guess the template that people thought Nintendo might adopt is you know, you kind of catch them on the free to play stuff on iOS and then maybe you you get them to buy it them three ds. But they didn't announced any of that stuff.

And uh, instead they said that they're doing like a there's a bunch of weird stuff, like no price cut for the WU, the game pad's becoming more important, Mario Kart's coming in May, virtual console is gonna get DS games, and they're gonna do something with health. I don't know, it's weird. Yeah, there we go. It's about time. So what does that mean that the WU game pad is going to become more important. Does that mean like that they'll integrate with games better. Yeah, they said

Miamoto is assigned like to come up with a new IP. I mean they're basically I mean, they're doing what Nintendo normally does, which is, you know, they what would be worse if they just gave up on the WU and moved on and then pissed off the loyal customers they do have, or they you know, kind of ride it out, try and make the best of a bad situation, and you know, just silently work on stuff in the background while they have you know, eighty billion dollars in cash reserves or

something ridic It was like that that they can burn through for the next two years until they get where they want to go. Well. And and like if you look at the games that were the big releases last year for the WU, the majority of them did nothing with the game pad to speak of, Like Mario and Pickman. You could both play game pad only or TV only, right, Yeah, Pickman, but definitely Mario Wonderful one on one did some some stuff, but it wasn't essential, right, So I mean,

I I mean, I'm kind of two sides, right. One is that it would be nice to just be able to buy that thing without the expensive ass game pad attached. But the other is that, you know, if that's their differentiator, then lean into it and see what they do. Yeah, totally make that system unique and show me why I need to buy games on there. How is mia motive at this point is fifty? Might be sixty one? Yeah, I just wonder how how long he can want

to keep bailing them out horrible at Samurai Gun. Do you think what do you think his first console was? You got an Xbox One? Yeah? Uh? So did the no price cut or you said no massive press cut on the EU? Was that they can't actually something they announced ers they just didn't need. I mean, they really can't do a substantial price cut without uh sort of you know, like Will said, altering the game pad or getting rid of it. That's the albatross of the WU. Like three fourths

of the cost of the WEU is that game pad, Jesus. Really, So it's you know, I might be hYP hyperbolizing the numbers, but it's you know, it's something along those lines where the vast majority I mean that's we hardware, right, Yeah, look at look at what's in there, you know, we plause. Yeah, look at what's in the console. You know, it's all well it's last last yeah yeah, man selts short.

So what do you think's going on? When are we going to find out anything with this ninten When do you think this strategy affects us as consumers? I could just say twenty fourteen thing ors just like twenty fifteen sixteen stuff. I mean, one of the things they said, and they're like Investor Q and A, was that you know, they they recognize that, you know, having a single sort of you know, they have an intended network ID. You know, Watch obviously is on now on three ds and is

on WEU and have some ways of linking up. But you know, they don't necessarily track all of your purchases in the way that you would like. You know, if you buy you know, Super Mario Brothers on your three DS, you don't that doesn't unmock on your WEU or you can't even pay a dollar to maybe get access to that. And in their Investor Q and A they pointed out that, hey, we need to not do that stuff and do that stuff in the future. But you know, they the indication

from there being that well, that's probably not going to happen. Happen now, that's probably with the next thing. I mean, they've they've you know, they've they've made steps, like their hardware divisions are now they work together. Before the three ds, uh the or I guess handheld and console divisions

worked completely separately. They were different tracks, and now they work together, and you would imagine there'd be a unified ecosystem, but not necessarily sort of the dream scenario of, you know, a handheld with an Apple TV like add on that that functioned as a console. I didn't. Intendo moved slow, but they have a lot of money to burn, and it doesn't seem like a lot is going anywhere. So, I mean, Nintendo has been

in this situation before. You know, every four years you can find a headline that says they're about to go under, So, you know, I it is worse than it's ever been. But I don't know if that necessarily changes anything in my mind that they wouldn't figure something out again in a year or two. Have they ever talked about, like what their strategy was with the two little titles that they rolled out at the end of the year, the Neys remix thing, and the Doctor Luigi game. Like those games just

came out out of nowhere, right right? Or did you guys know about them in advance? Oh? Yeah, they announced any S remix the day that it came out. Yeah, Like, is do you think that's what they mean when they say they're going to do smaller games for the other platforms, Like it will be anys remix kind of stuff, obviously tailored to work with touch controls. But no, I think it's more likely that you'd have

like a Nintendo Network app. And like, let's say, you know, they can't assume you're gonna turn your EU or your three DS on every day, but you're always gonna have your phone. So what if you know, they sent a push notification that said, hey, you know, Doctor Luigi's out today, would you like it to start downloading on your device or your

phone? Like the rumor implied that they would maybe make like kind of a limited version of a game that was saying going to be out on the three DS, like they would make that for iOS with like a subset of the features, or almost like a demo more or less. Yeah, okay, like a demo slash kind of crippled or handicapped version of the game that works on the phone. Huh, and then would theoretically would drive people to go buy the three DS version. I think I had in my mind was like

the fable uh pub games game. Yeah, strategy they need to emulate. Yeah, well, I mean that wasn't a bad idea, it was just a bad implementation. Yeah, that's of sure. Like I like the idea of taking taking parts of the game that I can't like the stuff that works in Assassin's Creed Black Flag where you send your Kenway's fleet stuff. If that should be just a standalone iOS app that I can fire up and hooks into my Assassin's Creed save game, that'd be awesome. Hey Patrick, did you

see anything about the uh the Yamamushi family and there's stock spying thing. Yeah, I think Nintendo is doing like a buyback thing. They they so wouldn't surprised me if the Yamouchi family was you would link to me to that. It says that they're they're thinking the Yamauchi family. Who I you know, obviously it was a Hiroshi Yama his first name. You know, he's essentially responsible for a lot of Nintendo stuff up until Awada took over, and even

then Awada was was still working with Yamouchi. But yeah, I guess it sounds like the Yamouchi family might might sell their stock that they got when Heroshi passed, but that that might just be related to, uh, the larger plan that Awada mentioned to I think Reuters or the Wall Street Journal where he said that they they're they're really interested in doing a lot of acquisitions going forward.

So they intend to start spending the money that they do have because otherwise they've kind of operated like Apple, where they they just hoard it for a rainy day basically, and and and now that rainy day is here, and you know, I mean, Nintendo's a big problem is that they as an entertainment company, they don't have a lot of bets placed in a lot of spots, Like there was a the academic in Bogos had a tweet about it like last week that I thought pointed out how you look at a company like

Disney and you just think of them as Disney, but they're also ESPN, you know, and all these other all these other ventures they've they've they've but you don't think of them. You think of those all those independent entities, but they're all Disney and Nintendo is just Nintendo. So Nintendo live and dies by one good idea and then if that good idea doesn't turn out, then

they have to wait for the next good idea. And so I think maybe part of what Nintendo's play might be is have more risks out there, so if one doesn't work, then maybe they can push on the other. And I think that's where that health initiative comes from, is that they look at what we Fit did, which was they found a way to make fitness fun for a lot of people that maybe don't uh normally engage in that sort of

stuff. And if that was separate from their hardware devices and was a significant way to make money, I think what was it Konami for a long time and maybe even still makes more money from pachinko machines than video games and health clubs. Yeah, yep, yep, And so you have a lot of

companies that differentiate in that way. Nintendo doesn't do any of that, so you know, they don't need to get into a lot of weird stuff, but they obviously need like alternate revenue sources to for for moments like this, let's move on. You got that here, Grand Theft Auto made some some money. Yeah, ships thirty two point five million copies, that's a lot of that's a lot of copies. What was it? Also was the Mao Kart for I think, wow, forty I want to see Mario Karts seven

ships something like forty million or something really stupid like that. When you talk about like a successful franchise or game, they talk in the numbers of like four to five million, right, like shipp they're sold. Like that's like something like this is really successful, Like we did four to five millions to thirty two million. Well at the end of this console generation too, and that's I mean, there's no way to tell if that's sell through, but

like that's whatever. That's enough. They're not shipping thirty two million to just get put on store show. I haven't seen stacks grandst a five. Ye, that's crazy dollars. That's crazy. That's what you're that's where you're estimating. No, they multiplies by sixty fifty, by sixty six close to point eight. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of cocaine. You know, that's that's a lot of that got to that's a goots you. It's a good telling. Yeah, you can

start a small country. The iPhone calculator did it in in scientific notation. Yeah, what's the exponential two point one times? Eat of the ninth, Eat till the Ninth, Eat to the Night. You know who does Eat to the ninth numbers? Rock Star? Rock Star. Wait, if you turn it sideways, it just gives you a bunch of zeros, then it just says boob. Yeah, uh it's a B with a billion. So this was there was this rock Star putting this number out. Yeah, there

was a take to financial call. I think good for the year today. Yeah, see Mary, Yeah, Mario Kart we thirty five point two six. Man, there's a lot of copies of amount. I think I saw. I wish I had a source for this. I think I saw something about a leak that implied like a next gen console Slash PC release this year for GA five. Yeah, that's been that's been pretty rumored for a while. I wo it would be shocked me if they didn't do at least a

PC version. What are what are their DLC planes? Have they announced that? I think they put some stuff out for GTA Online. I would be shocked if they didn't do like another one or two campaigns. Maybe, I don't think the I don't think the episodes for four performed all that well. No, they did really poorly because it took like a year and a half for them to come out and by and no one really I mean, I love that stuff, but you know, it didn't do very well financially.

So I guess I guess on the Take to Call, all the all the analysts were talking about was asking about GTA online, like that's where all the interest is financially really, like, like, how do we still make money from on the part of the investors or the audience? I guess, you

know, making money off the audience for the investors. Yeah, but what I mean is that purely speculative interest or are their actual numbers like are still are there's still enough people playing that that No, it's it's speculative interests. I mean, if you listen to any take to Call, every investor on a year that there is no GTA game, is the first question is always when is the next GTA game? So you know, I think from Take

two's perspective, they would want to push GTA a lot. GTA online pretty hard sort of, I guess, regardless of how it's doing, because that's a way for them to sort of shut those people up if they can make money on that in you know, GTA off years, which you know is probably every you know, at least every four to five. So so they're thinking that there's like call of duty kind of legs on GTA online is what the usters want. Yeah, okay, where's where's Red Dead? Man?

I don't know, man, I don't know. It's got to be somewhere in that one point eighty seven trillion dollars, right, Just buy a team bully to Bully Too. Yeah, that's that's the way when I want. But I don't know. There's been I mean, like there's been Bully Too and Red Dead rumors for a while, like stuff showing up on LinkedIn a number of times. So you know, I suspect both of those exist in some form. It's just a John Marston has updated his profile. Check it

out, Sheriff. After you said buying a team, I now have like a sci fi novel in my head where corporations just grabbed those corporate buses they hijacked the corporate buses and for the employee so that they can put them to work at their company to build France piers. Yeah, lott another bus today. Guys, Hey, Sergey, where you got any any leads? No? Nothing. I don't know the bus goal. I think Surgey is American, dude, I don't know where the bus went. That's better. Patrick

won't tell me about pimball arcade. I don't know. I put this one in here for you, okay, because I've heard you say this before, but it says the pinball Arcade extends the dummss license to get Black Night two thousand, among other tables. Black He two thousand is the best pinball music, the Black Night. That is not just me. That is a scientific very pimball music. Pimball music. Okay, that is good. He is. Do you have no way? Where where do you go? Pin pinball

OSTs? Where do you go together? You go to California Extreme Cats? Yeah, bring her bring your digital recorded to cats. Okay, just set it on the table and play. Okay, yes, and we'll swap tapes after. Do you have one of those hats with the two microphones on the side. I do not. That's amazing. I do not mine has beers in it. Okay, uh, that's great, that's fun. Jeff will

be sacked about that. H The Wolf among Us episode two, Well, when this comes out, I guess February fourth, did you write this headline that's in here, The Wolf among Us episode two to be among Us February fourth. No, No, you can blame, you can blame, you can blame. Joystick was gon. That's great. You'll never be able to deliver, be able to top that that morning show headline you had the one time. What wasn't something like the Wolf among Us has played the Wolf among

Us? Oh? Yeah, that was pretty good. That was yeah, that was I should I should have just I just should just quit. Gone. All right, let's let's move on Patrick. What you got up next? So we were talking about Dark Souls. We did that big that big video, so I've been paying attention a little bit of that stuff, and I guess the team it originally said outright that they weren't going to do DLC, especially for how poorly implemented it was in Dark Souls. You're talking about

Dark Souls to DLC. Yeah, yeah, they said they weren't going to do Dark Souls to DLC because you know, it unbalanced Dark Souls in a really profound way. It's it's it's kind of hard to get to when you have to do it mid game. It's it's really where it's terrific. I highly recommend people check it out. What do you mean you have to like, is there a point where you can no longer go back and get to it? Yes? Yeah, really there's a point of no return. Yeah.

Well does that go for the entire game or just the DLC. What do you mean, is there is there a point where you just just can't get to any of the previous part of the game. Well, there's definitely an end point in the game, But I don't think you're locked out like you are out of the deals because to the process you told me about for getting into the DLC sounds incomprehensible. It's more than just curling up like an egg. Yeah. I didn't even know there was DLC for Dark Souls,

So it's really good. It's one of my favorite boss battles. It's included in the PC version. Okay, but so, what was the story with Dark Souls to a DLC. So, in an interview with o exam I'm not having a chime pronounced. The producer's name says, right now, we are concentrating completely we've got but I think there are next steps, and I we can expand Dark Souls too, And they said kind of after that that it sort of depended on on fan feedback, and I just I'm curious.

You know, Vinny, you've played Dark Souls and you've done the DLC, and I did that too, and I really enjoyed it. But you know, obviously, I think we can both agree that the way it was implemented was pretty terrible. I just don't even know how they go about doing that unless they do it in a I don't know, separate story sort of style, but that seems to go against sort of the Dark Souls ethos of you

know, sort of building out your character. I don't even know how they would handle I mean, I can think of like a couple of I can think of one easy way to avoid what they did the last time is don't require you to like reset the game to access the content. But yeah, they're like a stand and he might not have to reset it, like you might be able to die, come out, log back in. But like the way I think a lot of people access it is like standing the spot.

Now turn the game off, Now turn the game back on. Now walk over here. Now turn the game off. Now turn the game back on. Now walk back to where you saw nothing before. Now there'll be something there. Really, Yeah, that is fucking crazy. You can't do without a fact like it's it's it's ridiculous, like it's it was the one thing that when I was playing at people were like, don't feel bad,

don't even bother trying to figure it out. You paid for this DLC or you know, you got in the PC edition I bought on MPs three, and I was like, if I had bought this and not look this up, I would have never ever found this. That explains though that game partially but kind of. But you aren't. You can pay for the game, but then you're like, I'm gonna buy this DLC because I really love the game, and then never see it. I get what you're saying, though,

there's a weird meta game. Yeah that is that is that game's mo is hiding things. That game should totally be all it's DLC should just be new game plus shit that happens, Like you gotta get to you want to get to the DLC, you're gonna beat the game seven times. That's what I think would like cater to that. How much do you hate yourself? You go beyond DLC. Well, so they don't leave in the door open basically, yeah, yeah, they just it sounds like they haven't really thought

about it, which at least gives me. Well, it worries me because if they just do it later, then maybe they just tack it on. But I guess you could do it in sort of like a Fallout three sort of way, like where they just sort of tacked on the DLC and modified the ending to let you just kind of go back and and access it that way, because the idea of like starting the game over again to access that, I mean no this, you know, I'm speaking as someone that will

play that game once. Uh. You know, obviously a lot of dar Souls fans like to play that game, you know, a number of times to get all they get out of it. But you know, if they do that again with two, then I just can't see myself ever even experiencing it. Uh's what's uh, what's up with the spinal He's in killer instinct? If any man he's a skeletons. Tell me about spineal Patrick, I

don't know. You tell me backstory's skeletons, a skeleton with the sword, and she probably had he probably had a pretty good song on the Killer Cut soundtrack. Probably. I think the shield has a skull on it. Probably not as good as it does it. I'm pretty sure it's a little that's a little morbid, I think so, while he is a skeleton, so it's morbid already. So is he the now default character instead of Jaco? No, no, no, that happened a little while back, though saber

Wolf has been the free character for a few weeks. Now, Jaco is not Spinal. Just are they going to cycle through that? Is that the plan? Yeah, that was always the plan for Okay, it was to trade him out once in a while. But yeah, Spinal is in the game now as a last Friday. Great, he's been patched in. And I guess there was a trailer that came out that implied that full Gore is

probably gonna be the last character. He's not in yet. No, I think they said by March the well, whoever the last the eighth character, this will be in my March. I wouldn't have that community is doing. I haven't haven't been. I don't know. I've been meaning to download spinal and get in there and check it out. And lastly, Patrick, for some reason, they made new for some reason, why is the memory for

all those games you could put on it memory or storage storage? You know, they didn't modify any of the actual internals of how the heart it's still like a was it Tegra three? Yeah? Is the processor the graphics ship? Yeah, well the surface one. That's the whole thing, right, It's like Android based. What's the work? They showing a new Tigra at CS Tigra four. It's better than Tigra three. Oh wow, man, amazing. I know you can make your your Android phone can get even bigger,

hotter. They're also like redesigning or looking at revisiting or doing again. The controller. Yeah, no, they did. There's an improved controller in there. But you know that's like, you know, the bar is pretty low on that, Like that controller was complete dogshit and so you know, I guess an improvement, but then you're also paying more money. It's under in thirty bucks, whereas the I think the original bundle is is ninety nine dollars. I assume you can just buy the controller and and p Yeah,

you can buy. You can buy the old U if you want. You know, it's got less storage, but you can just look at USB or an external hard drive up to it. Are there a lot of games now with power fall leaving? You know, power falls out in a couple of weeks. I think so, yeah, and then the PS four and Vita stuff will be later. People people talking like Chess two is not bad chess, I can't believe. I just earnestly used the phrase chess too without any

hint of it's like three D chess. Uh No, it's just chess with a bunch of we've been working for that for a couple of thousand years. I think, yeah, finally, Yeah, it'll be done when it's done. Okay, do you know if you put worst The first time I saw the words Chess two on on a screen, I died laughing. The Millennium Falcon and like that's chess too, that it goes right from chess to that. I don't know much about it. We actually have a review build.

If you never get Cheff to bring get and then I guess we could slap it on there. I think it's I think it's just chess with weird extra rule sets and stuff like on Poissana. Sure what, I don't know? Castling Castling, Patrick, Castling, Patrick Ing talk tell me, oh man, yeah, I just finished. I finished writing that story. I think it. We'll go up tomorrow. I've been spending the last all most of

last week researching. I'm sure some of you guys saw the headlines like shiver or quake or something, but like I wasn't quite sure what it was because I'm not like a tuned Wait, something like three hundred thousand dollars of actual currency were destroyed. I watched a stream for like four hours, and I had no idea what was going on. But there were a lot of numbers. Max just like turned and looked at me. It felt like a disturbance

or something like only something babies and dogs could sense was happening. Scandinavia sank three inches? What happened? The story starts basically with an unpaid bill. So one of the big things that happens in Eve online is it's called sov War. So it's it's basically, you know, different coalitions uh fighting over territories and when you have territories, you can you know, use that to build war assets and things like that. Now, Uh, in the future

Eve Online for whatever reason, they don't have auto build paid. It's something that they you manually have to do. You can set up certain systems so that they do get automatically paid, but you have to manually go and like set that stuff up every month. And anyway, basically a bill didn't get

paid and then this save this one section of space became open. Now, normally that wouldn't be a big deal, except that if we were to think about this in real life terms, it's essentially like if the US suddenly like stopped at defending Washington, DC. Like it's like when Microsoft didn't tay Hotmail's

domain registrations. Yes, yes, yes, it's it's yeah yeah. And uh, this was in the middle of a like this big stalemate between uh, this one group called the CFC, which is largely the Goonswarm Alliance, which they come out of something awful, and that has this guy named Matani who is sort of this infamous guy. If you remember a couple of years ago, there was a guy that got really drunk, said some stupid things,

uh, and got banned out of the game. That's that guy, and he heads up uh CFC slash the Goonswarm and this other group that they had been fighting against UH called N three. It's like part of like three ends they had been they had been fight. But basically an evonline, when you do softwar UH, if you're if you have enough ships, you can basically have your healers repair the tanks uh in you to use RPG terms, and it's just a stalemate and then you're just waiting for someone to screw up.

And the screw up was this base, which essentially was the capital of one of these sides, becoming exposed, and so that side then had to send in significant war assets in order to protect it. Now, the reason they had to do that was because the moment it becomes available because they didn't pay their bill, you have to set up an item that gains you access

to that that area and protect it for eight hours. Now, related to all this is that the Russians, who are just called the Russians and there and they're they're sort of like this weird rogue element because evonline has this much larger meta game of time zoning, where you actually want to bring in different players who are in different time zones so that when you go to sleep and in order to build certain big capital ships, you have to do that out

in the opening exposed, So you need people in different time zones to protect that stuff, and so you'll employ, you know, people like the Russians. So they put in order to do that, they build coalitions to defend this wow. So they end up being sort of this this weird rogue element, and they're important for this story because the Russians were the only ones awake when this bill was unpaid, and so they're the first ones to realize that it happened. Now, now, what most people do is they just go

and they would blow it up and they would take over that spot. But they don't do that, and instead they patiently wait while the team that didn't pay the bill try to set up their little node that has to go online in eight hours. They wait almost the full eight hours, and then they send in a fleet, destroy it, set up their own thing, and

then that's when the Goonswarm Alliance, who is part of North America. They're awake, they bring all their guys in and then they just start squatting on the space and at that point the other alliance that had not paid their bill then has to just bring people in to try and grab it back and protect

it for eight hours. Now it gets crazier in that when there's a couple of ways that EV Online tries to compensate for these large scale battles, and the primary thing they do is to try and you know, they beef up servers. There's also a form you can fill out that CCP really highly recommends players do so that they can stabilize the servers. Is basically you let them

know when you're going to attack someone dialect too. But then yeah, as will allude to, there's time dilation and in this battle, which I think would have gone on for about nine hours in real time, was slowed down to like ten percent and thus became like a twenty one hour battle as a result, And because of the time dilation, you're running at one tenth to game speed, which means you have to plan out all your moves far in

advance, and it essentially then becomes like this pseudo RTS. And what makes even crazier as this goes on and stretches into like it's eighteenth and nineteenth hour, is that the other side realizes, Hey, we need to get out, like this is unwinnable. The math is against us. And the whole reason that the goon Swarm that something awful guys decided to pull the trigger was because they had spies on the other side that let them know the math worked

out for them. So they just brought in everyone and knew that through war of attrition they could just wait them out, and when when the other side tried to leave, essentially they they I forget the actual term is, but it's basically like these warp bubbles that sticky the ships into space and they can't move, so they're all trying interdiction. Probably yeah, so they're so they're all trying to warp out, but they've all then launched these warp bubbles to

keep their ships in place. They can't leave, and all they're doing is

getting pummeled. And at the end of the this uh huge battle, U seventy five Titan ships were destroyed, which each take a month and a half to build, cost the equivalent of fifteen hundred US dollars if you were to translate disc and the destruction of a Titan is so monumental in the ev universe that when one is destroyed, there are headlines on Eve fan sites like to say, like, oh my god, it Titan was destroyed and in this battle, yes seventy five, Patrick, I have a very important question call

this. Where was kite cold and all of this? Do we know where they were? Do we know where they were? I don't. I don't think they were participating. It was. It was tough once it got started to participate because it sort of caps out in terms of who can get involved, especially because of the time dilation. Like if you're just not there, it's gonna be it's gonna be tough to to make any sort of impact. But uh, yeah, Kaiko is still it is still going there are they

are? They are still strong in the lot of them are strong, but they're still there. So what's the upshot here? So that's that's one hundred and twelve thousand dollars worth of Titans? Yeah, I read it was like three hundred thousand total assets lost in this thing though. Yeah, tons of tons of stuff. Yeah, the Titans are like those are these the equivalent of nukes? So like the reason that people spend so much time building those up this because they are so powerful. They take so much time, and

a lot of wars get settled or mitigated by just pure math. Like if if you're the team that shows up has thirty Titans and you don't have thirty Titans, then you know there's not a whole lot of point in the match happening. So you know, for for this goons Swarm Alliance, you take out so many of these Titans. I think they lost. The Goonswarm Alliance lost fifteen, but the other side, you know, lost like fifty something.

Like when I when I talked to the guy who didn't pay his bill, uh, you know, he said that essentially set back everything they've done for the last six months, and it's you know, it destroys their entire campaign that were they were waging. So did you see what CCP is gonna do about. Yeah, they're putting up They're putting up a memorial. There's gonna be like they're gonna be like a permanent space plaque installed that commemorates this

battle, like a monument I remember in space. Yeah. Not not only that, but they're apparently gonna go and see the area with like salvageable debris from all those titans, oh to be like, but over time the ecouto though, like yeah, like people can go get it, but no, they're not gonna dumb it all at once, you know, I guess for economic reasons, they're gonna kind of dule it out over time. But Eve is basically the metaverse from snow Crash, right, Like, that's that's where

we're at. I hope we're going to go, but it is, you know, there's no sword fighting, I guess, but there pizza. I'm sure there's pizza. Patrick. So it's is this the you talked to the guy who forgot what happened? How do you forget to pay his bill? He? Uh he he went and thought he basically he calls the Evonline corporate interface a sucking chest wound, which is to say that he is pretty sure it was a glitch and that they have a process in place where two other

members of his corporation corporations are like how players come together. Sounds like a CEO passing the bag and then two other people checked it and they they said it looked fine, but obviously obviously it wasn't. So I mean, it was funny like that this Mattani character who we heard all sorts of things about when Drew and I were out there, uh last year. Uh, dude is a notorious shit talker, and you know some of the stuff he says

in my interview, I think, what's the they put their dick. They put their dick on the table and we chopped off and like that's like that, that's gross, just minor ways that Why would you put on the table. I don't know, dicks on the table right now, there's that big wall of monitors and I can't see. That's why you don't get a table saw. That's not all. Oh, Patrick, thank you so much for

sharing. That was a fantastic I can't wait to read that. Yeah, when the story it should it should be up by the time this this runs, and I'm currently editing the I'm I'm getting the interviews together to go up, as as as dump trucks, And then I sent off my rough draft to actually some folks in Kaiko to basically just double check my lingo and stuff like that to make sure I've got it all understandable, but that that should be up sometime. As you listen to this, I feel like a trapped

like diplomat in some other country with kait Ko. Yeah, they've just they've started going on their own. You've never been there. I'm just there. I'm their leader that lives in a different country, exile, ye Patrick, what else is going on up on the site? The folks can go check out. I don't know. I'm gonna try and beat Yama. It's Bilunky. We're on the We're on the road to beating Yama. And then I think, uh, I think that will mark the end of not me playing

Spilunky, but at least me doing it on the site. But I'm I'm considering then spinning that until like a uh, just sort of rolling the dice on different roguelike games, uh, and and trying to I've heard a lot of good things about Binding of Isaac, but I never really spent any significant

time. One is pretty good too, Yeah, nucle Throne's really access so you know, I that seems a little bit less interesting, but because it won't be static, but Binding of Isaac, I know, like folks that like Splunky have put like hundreds of hours into that game, so you know, I only played maybe fifteen minutes of that for a quick look when it came out, and it seemed okay, but I didn't get much out of

it, so I might check that out. So we'll see as soon as I can beat Yama, which I'm close, but uh, you know that might curse me to another month of splunky, which there are worse things. We can only hope. Thanks Patrick, always a pleasure of having your and yeah, and we'll catch up with you. See, I'm sure see it all right, Take care guys, Patrick, Sorry about shit talking to you earlier. Don't worry, you'll still lose. I know, all right, Brad. You know what time it is, Emails. It's time to get

up. It's time to get up. So much to do? Ay, ready to play? It's time to get up. The time to get up. We'll have fun today. If it's Sunday, we go outside, go to the phone for everybodysy, go ride, meet some friends out the streams and slides and have a go with something we've never tried. Emails. Time to wake up, the time to wake up, open your rise. It's a brand new day. It's time to get up. The time to get up. We'll have fun today. It's been training. We'll stick in,

throw up your big chuns and color. Then in emails, bake it game, make yell, I sing, you get to take your thing guns and that's the best day. Emails. It's time to get up, time to get up, so much to do? Are you ready to play emails? Time to get up? The time to get up. We'll have phone today. I'm ready done. Fantastic emails. We have an emails song the Fatures. Brad's a good our shows, he says, emails a bunch really weird questions, weird to be Did you guys just use that one all the time

every time, like you because you show sometime. No, no, no, it's always yours. But before that one came about, we never had an emails music before that. Sure, No. I just played the the riff that that Phil by the way, who is awesome, And I think you should play Quake two with you, right, Dave? Yeah he did. Yeah, he cut out like a little bit from our from our main theme. And that's our interstitial music. Done done. I can't remember how

it goes. Now I've got I've got an actual I've gotten email here. That then is a great segue for before we get to that Drew. Where can people send your emails? BombCast at Giant bomb dot com. I'm sorry, bombomcast at giant bomb dot com. I'm sorry one more time, BombCast at giant bomb dot com. Send your emails to BombCast at giant bomb dot com. Was that BombCast at giant bomb dot com. That's right, Bob,

Giant dot Bomb. Silly Goose. Max Now says, I don't know where he got this, but he says silly goose and then has a fake laugh that goes with it, so he'll just be like silly guess what anyway, I had mentioned an email. This email comes from Aiden. He says, Hello bombardiers, Aiden, Aiden, we want to go with fran Will and Defoe. Thanks that you guys from Australia. He says, hell knows does all the musical stuff. Oh that's a fun been wandering for quite a

while. Alm musically talented and clined each the thought, well, let's crossed my mind on numerous occasions. This is like, Jeff K Yeah. Also, did you read the theme song for the Bombcaster's license from some library? Where does it all come from? So? Yeah, our bomb cast themes? I think Phil has done most of them, build it all? Did all of them? Yeah? Uh, and we've we've kind of tapped him over the years. How many of you had now one for each year we've

had some. He hasn't done every single piece that's ever been on the show. No, but he you know, he wrote the original, He wrote the melody, Yeah, and has remixed it many many a time and reposed we arranged it. Uh. You know, Jeff's got the band and stuff like that. I think he's he's pretty synthy. He definitely Uh. I think he can play a guitar too, plays a bass, play bass. Yeah, Brady, you were into a little you gli oh. I never

got one of those. What what's your instrumental choice? The vocals? The brad pipes? Hey, Vinny, you remember that a time? Yeah song? Yeah? Did it go a little something like yeah this you've been just surrender because of stand my ground. You been just surred because of stand my ground. You better just stround you better track playing it down track FI track. It takes so incredible In school, Yeah, yeah, Drew, you've played the piano for me. Yeah, you've even played Halo on the piano.

Yeah. Do you play anything else? Uh? No, I was in chorus in school, Dave. You've played guitars, I sing Uh. I like to sing blue ground or sing blues music with you. Yeah, and you built your own guitar once I did. Once would working was in early You can batch it barely well, I'm terrible at it. Uh, classically trained oboist for real? No, no, oh man. I played the harmonica a little bit better. Yeah. Can you do you like that? I can play oh Susannah? Oh wow, I can riff man.

I don't have one of those things that goes around your neck. You don't pretty. You still use your hands? Yeah, yeah, I hope you have to use your hands to make the wall. It's important video you play guitar, I do. I dabble in the in the guitar, a little little piano. I played trumpet in the really elementary school. I was the trumpest played trumbo. And if we're going that far back, yeah, what kind of trum polished? Or was it rusty? Okay, I don't know.

It's whatever they get a music store. You probably know where. I'm sure here this whole email has been a set up for that joke. I had to wait. I had to look up Brat played in the elementary school and his mom who I wrote that email? I used Max as an excuse to buy a guitar when he was born. I'm not afraid to admit it, I said I had. My wife had told me, Like a friend who actually plays guitar in a band was like, oh, yeah, he bought like when his son was born, like bought him a guitar for his

birth year and like that that was kind of awesome. I was like, that's such an awesome idea. We should buy Max a guitar, Like I bought him a telecaster because I really wanted to talk about So now you just play his guitar. No, that's keep it. You pre bought a guitar for your child for like when for when he's like if if he wants to play a guitar, there's but how awesome would it be? Like I would be psyched if I had a nineteen seventy eight guitar that was like in mint

condition. My wife up there, I'm not gonna put in the attic. She plays in multiple bands, plays multiple instruments. She didn't do that. Yeah, she bought the Prince of She bought prince no like prince, not like prince, not like pancakes and princes, but like bought like small little prints, like poster prints of instruments. That's say, like beads for banjo, Like I had cars in my room. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, we've got manolins, We've got banjos are all over the place. I'm not

saying it was rational. You're nuts. Where is it in the closet?

Yeah? Just is it like in a box in a hard case? That is, so you're just waiting for him one day to say, Dad, i'd really like to learn how to play the guitar and be like, hey, guess to go to the store or whip this out to be like I am no interest in the guitar and be like, well, okay, you know that's well, you want to check out Dad's and new telecaster twenty twelve telecaster how about Hey, we talked a lot about will you'll like this one?

Drew onto a driving range? Okay, where you hit the golf ball. I was listening to this this morning on the way. Yeah and uh And he said he went and he hit golf balls and he has to like use vision to to kind of track the golf balls and see how far do they go? Right? Getting this right, you have to use your eyes to measure half fall the golf balls, so you just kind of look at the sunne that says like thirty five yards and did the ball go further or

closer than that? Yeah, that's the idea. It seems really inaccurate. Okay, And I said, boy, why don't we just make the put RFID tags and the balls and then have a track how far your ball goes? Yeah, that seems like something Vinco could do. Uh. And we got this, you know from Jake that says last week Drew talked about going into a driving range. I mentioned that already, Jake, but thanks for picking up a slack and he said he had to watch how far the golf

balls go. Said all this ready, and I mentioned RFID tax He's saying, Vinny, and I just want to let you know I went to a d driving range. This is Jake and at the end of at the end of last summer, and the balls all had RFID tags. Wait what did not see that? The balls to stop me if you lose me all had RFID tags. Golf balls, we're talking golf balls all had RFID tags in them and they would get associated to a certain player based on a card which

looks like a credit card. And then when you hit them the golf balls to certain spots, you would get a certain amount of points and it would transmit back to a computer. Hold on, but if it's transmitted to computer, there's an RFID tag. That means it's the fucking NSA can track your balls. Now, Yeah, they can track your balls. They've been tracking your balls forever. Why why would they need to track my balls? Who doesn't want to track Wilson's ball? I'm pretty sure no one. I don't

want anybody balls. I don't love my wife track it weird? Gross? No, they're good. I mean there's the same number of dimples on each one. They're all exactly the same the balls. Maybe you feel if you feel certain anomaly on your dimples and your balls, you should probably get that checked out. Go to the golf pro. It's not gonna fly right, Hey, Tony, what's up with my ball? Let me give a feel out here. No, they feel pretty good, can you? Is this?

Is this one a little bit bigger than the other one? It looks unusual? I know, not as there's a left well, they have to bounce them off the ground to check them, roll around in their fingertips. No, your golf fine, let me check out your putter. Do you even wash your balls when you're at the at the golf course? I try everyone you wash your balls through. I did not know it's in the ninth hole. Usually you just dunk it in there, switch, swish. And

this was a driving range, This was not your house. I would think they'd use radar to track the golf balls as they leave. Yeah, because where you like nineteen sixty, it's Doppler radar. You can tell it follow the path and get like a little map of your slice or your hook or your tags. But that's just gonna tell you where it starts and where it finishes, not the path that used to get there radar. It's all about the journey, then, he not the destination. You're weird. So back

to the email. Was it cool? He said it was awesome. Yeah, he thought it was amazed. Did you have like a print out of like where his like the track his balls took. No, they don't provide him with the map of his ball location. I am fucking the man. Oh, let's let's step this up a bit. In the maturity sector scrowed them. Last week he talked a little about flip flops, and this week we're gonna talk a little more about fuck. This comes from Jordan. He

says, most of them. I spend most of my time in some brown, all leather flip flops, and I would never wear them to the office. But I've always thought they were acceptable for any situation that did not require a blazer. That it's a wide range, like a fancy restaurant to like you're wearing a tux seed, you're not wearing a blazer, he says. He what I'm implying from this is a flip flops are a go. After listening to last week's podcast, I have one very important question. Is it

really true that there's still is such thing as nice flip pops? So, so, here's the thing. I don't have a foot flop aficionado. Yeah, I have been wearing flip flops for many years. In fact, I thought you were like a hippie early when I met you, I was like, you were wearing them all the time. This was the most flip flop unfriendly office I've ever worked in. Yeah, I thought you guys, everybody

has beards, you're all internet fuckers. I thought it was just like live and let Live man las Fair, No but no. Eventually Jeff pulled me aside and was like, hey, we got to talk about the flops. Like, I don't know where yours what can wear? He doesn't wear flip He left his flops in our office when he quit our because he didn't because he didn't wear him. He just walked out barefoot and lose some fancy free You have the advantage Coonts shoes in there too. Those are amazing. Don't

ever talk best pair of bad So what are you saying here? We all as the kind of defender of the flop? Uh, where are you gonna what are you gonna answer? Is there no nice flip flop? I have a pair of nice flip flops that you would wear, So you have dress flop. I've been to I've been to parts of the of the Equatorial regions that are like nice resorts where you go and basically you know you're wearing flops the whole time. Are you wearing sandals? Are you wearing horse or equator?

Equator equine his horse? I believe? Okay, yeah, tropical regions. I wouldn't be prize with either. With you, it's both I we you don't wear flipops around horses because you will lose toes that way, all right, because they step on you when you're not wearing real shoes. You got if you're if you're wearing real shoes. Don't wear sneakers around horses either, Why because they step on you and they weigh thousands of wells I wear, fuck you up. Boots are what you wear around horses. Boots cowboy

boots? No, well, I mean if you're a fucking cowboy, Yeah, of course i am, But you should just wear There are things called paddock boots. There, there are work boots. Any of those will be a sufficient for wearing on horses if you are at a resort. Yes, it is acceptable to wear a pair of nice leather flip flops to dinner. What about plastic splastic flipflops? Also? Okay, somebody's look down their nose, but they're probably an asshole, so you know it's fine. Fuck them,

don't don't wear leather. I'm i gotta come down on the flip flops. I'm gonna say leather flip flops are called sandals. Nope, nope, sandals have a thing in the back that holds the heel on so you don't make the traditional flip flop noise. You're right if you're wearing those, No, you're you. You're out of my restaurant. If you can walk silently in the shoe without having to modify your stride in a noticeable way, it's probably okay. Otherwise, say no to the flop. Okay, there you

go. I'm glad we had you here. I'm just saying, like you likely birkenstocks are okay. But the other thing that you people who grew up in Northern California don't know, is it for a while in like the nineties, you could go into a Sam's Club and buy a pair of fucking Birkenstocks. Well, they're made like right near where Jeff and I love Yeah here,

Yeah, that's world headquarters. But around when you moved to Northern California, if you wear birkenstocks, people assume a lot of lifestyle choices about you that may or may not be true. Like, for example, Dave, would you be interested in a live action fantast mcgorian movie? Absolutely? Why not? Be amazing? Because we saw it already it was. Is it

based on the first one or don't tell me you are bulls. I would if they do that, I'm you know, if they did that movie the way they should do it is as like the Clue movie, Like I want different endings, like how how awesome would that be? Fantastic? I'd love to see it, Yeah, fantastic. What if he Berta. Williams was there, She's on her boat like she's she's got check out? Yeah, oh she did, totally did. Yeah, she's kind of awesome. I love I love the Yeah, I loved her Bird of Williams. Sorry,

I love that. She was basically like, yeah, kind of fucking. I don't need to make video games anymore. Yeah, I got I'm having a good time. They got out at the right time. Once you get boat money, then then who cares? What else do you do? Do you guys know who Miriam Margolis is. She was on Er one year. Probably she's a good wife. Rumor has it that she will be And I don't know if she was that a question. Yes, she was in Harry Potter The Legend of the Guardians. Do you remember who Harriet is? Harry

what? From the Fantastic I must have been the main woman that was walking around that we were to get her head chop halfsome right, remember the weird wasn't there a weird sex scene? Well? I remember that was Victoria Morsel? I think was the actress who played Morsel? Really? Yeah, I think so that's got to be a fake name, right, Okay Victoria Morsel. Okay, sorry, there we go. That's better. So anyway, Dave, you're in. Yeah, let's do it. I but I want

a clue. I want clue endings. I want different endings based on you know, our how our people rece that game. That game had want to sing along, real uncomfortable mixes of violence and sex. Yeah, it was weird. It was a weird game. That was send him by Conrad and he he kind of also wanted to know what other cra games should be made into low budget movies. Half Life, Kings Quest, Kings West wouldn't work well. Police Quest though, Police Quest would be. So who plays the

one of the cops in police Quests? One of the cops? Man John Voight? Yeah, sure, John Voight, he could be just the He could probably also play the villain just like give me that heat, you know, John Voyd with the weird mustache, Like, I'll take that Police Quest. I didn't. I wasn't a fan. Brad. Do you like those Sierra games? Right? Police Quest game, Police Murphy. Text Murphy was a SERI game, right? No, No, it wasn't. It was Access Access Dynamic. Yeah, the links people. I stand by that Text

Murphy would still be a great Tierra adventure game movie. But then again, it's just like, did you see the new Text Murphy game coming out? Wait? What is the same guy playing text? Is he like Grizzled Oldest Ship? Now he's pretty old, he's been years looked amazing. And there's if you guys watch it, Oh my god. The first time I watched I was, I stopped it and I had to show Drew. There's a shot of a dude who looks like he worked for Jeff in Space Egypt.

Like it looked like one of Space Space Egypt's minions. And if you watched the trailer for it, you well see him. I'm gonna go do that right now. All right, here's a there's a quick question. We'll just go around the room. This comes from Matt. Hey, guys, I read a lot of books. Are there any good books about video games you would recommend? Oh, I've read a Masters of Doom. Oh, that's what I was going to say. That's a great game, a great book. We got a good one that that I read that I liked. It

was more it Encyclopedia. It was called, I want to say it was Dungeons and Desktops, which just went through every PCRPG that had ever been made. Sounds interesting and just kind of talked about their influence and how they were

kind of significant. I don't think you could get on Kindle or anything, but it was an interesting read because the guy you could tell he was like a PCRPG nut, and so he broke all the little genres up like into these things, and there were games in it that like I had no idea of, and you know, it really was neat, like just talking about like how important dagger Fall was, you know, Drew got anything, nothing, nothing nonfiction but fiction wise, Lady Player one. It's pretty good.

Yeah, this very video game related. My on that kind of note that super sad true love story, I feel like, is a good book for people who play video games, if you want to depress yourself with whatever you think. I think it's more good for people that are on the internet. Well, like that's what I mean, like social media and video games, Like people of this generation should read that if you're on just in TV. Yeah, that's a that's an interesting book to read. Yeah, Will,

what are we talking about books about video games? Or maybe like if you're way into video games, you'll like somebody take Masters of Doom. You had snow Crash earlier. Yeah, I don't think that. That's pretty far afield of the topic. Uh. That Neil Stevenson book about MMOs wasn't very good. I mean it was, it was okay, but it wasn't really about MMOs. I got nothing. I think Masters of Doom is great. Yeah, I think you should watch King of Kong. Isn't He isn't the documentary?

Isn't he? Kind of persona on Garto? Now that Claying was a huge disaster, I have. I have deep love for Neil Stevenson as a creator of like five of my favorite books. Is one of my favorite I I got no beef. I feel like he probably backed something like lent his name to something. But so did Gabe Newell and a bunch of other people. There are a lot of people were in that video for God gave. Newell was involved in Yeah, so like I, I mean, they fulfilled.

I think their argument is that they fulfilled the letter of the kickstart, right, But but maybe we're disingenuous in doing so. And also the razor Hydra is not very good in my experience. Brad, you got a book. I can't really think of anything besides a Master from Doom off the top of the head. But the reason I would say that one is that I don't want to read books about games or why they're important or whatever. I

want to read about the stories of their making. Sure, like that book is about the people who made Doom, not you know, the game itself. It's not like, oh, here's why Doom was seminole and important in his day. It's like it's like here's human stories. Here's yeah, here's in detail, like the human drama and what those guys were up to that led to this thing getting made. I also wonder if Masters of Doom is interesting to people who live through like the dawn of gaming news coverage on the

Internet. Like if you went into that not knowing who those guys are, probably would be inherently that's interesting. So homework for anybody who's under the age of thirty listening to this is to go read that book and then right back and let us know if it sucks or not based on your lack of knowledge about the context around A lot of a lot of people younger than us definitely know who Carmack is because he's still right, But like you don't. You

don't hear about Romero that much of these days. But yeah, Rash, I can't guess Isa Brash is a valve like he's still around. I can't think of any other books in that vein. I've read some. I can't remember the titles, but I usually don't enjoy them. Usually they're a little the masturbatory and the kind of celebration of something, right, that's the kind of thing I have. I want nothing to do with, and I just want to hear the nitty gritty details of So you're saying there's a market there,

Yeah, totally. Well if the video game tell all, Like, I don't know that the industry is old enough yet to really these guys are still making games exactly like it. Don't get there. You know, they're still the potential to burn bridges and stuff. If you're out there telling all the sordid stories but there's also books that are about D and D and pen and paper stuff. There was a reason one that came out that was called of Dice and Men. Oh that was just waiting to happen. Yeah,

it's kind of an interesting title. But that's really fun to hear that because I also I just got the Larry Elmore Like art book, and it's got a lot of dirt on, like all the Wizards of the Coast and dragon Lance stuff. I was like a kickstart project, wasn't I was? I just got it like a month's great. It's the arts, cool and funny. If you like that kind of stuff the right it needs to be edited by like a real editor. Did any of you read the book the Dan

Takahashi book about the Dawn of the Xbox? Oh? Actually, I always want to go back and read those. Yeah. I wondered if they were businessy or if they were like if it's about the birth of you know the

man. I know the one about the he did too, right, he did one for the original, one for the three six The one for the three sixty is the one I wanted to read because it has a lot of details, talking to like people that worked in the manufacturing lines for that thing, talking about how rushed it was, and like how well, I mean,

supply was really short on that. Well, not only that, but like what the decisions were that led up to them putting that thing out earlier than they should have to try to beat Sony to market, and like how it led to the red ring of death because it wasn't tested properly and stuff. That stuff sounds pretty pretty dirty. Let us move on. We've got some and what this podcast has become, but we have started getting some great

stories. Some of I love hearing stories about other people's jobs, especially jobs we have to interface with the human and we have started getting emails about people who are in the delivery service or is it gonna be as sad as last week's We've got We got them a few, and hey, man, keep them coming. I should say, if you have any book recommendations, say put him in the comments or something of the podcast and check them out there. People will check it out. Let's move on to hear a little bit

more about the working world. Because we got a few, and I had to pick the ones. I couldn't pick them all. Can't pick them all in the interest of time, but lace you could post these. Yeah, it's my Studs Turcle book a great book, but it is a good book you recommended that I thoroughly enjoyed. Yeah, it's a hefty book. Studs Turcle is a dope name too. Hearing your delivery stories inspired me to write

you guys. I did dorg store sales in college for a bit, which was weird, but my clerk stories are probably better, as comes from the nick. The oddest story was my first day on the job at a new store. I applied, got the job, and came in for my first day. I was supposed to shadow the girl had been working in the shift, but things quickly got out of hand. The girls started our shift by turning the drawer over to me. We count out the cash and agree in

writing over what's in the drawer. She had well over a thousand dollars in the drawer, which is insane. While counting, she said she was going to take a six hundred dollars loan out against my register. I told her fuck off with that noise. Apparently her kids dad needed the money, because he showed up with the kids screaming about the money, threatening us both. I implied that I give no shits about your woes and that you're not taking

my employer's money from the register. I proceeded to bring up customers and vacuum the floor. Things got heated between these two, and a customer eventually informed us that the police were on their way. Another round of fighting and demanding money commenced, and I restated my fuck off position on the matter. The cops arrived shortly, prompting the woman to grab a diaper bag from the man

and run into the bathroom. He chased her, leaving the kids in the middle of the store, and pounded on the nile a locked bathroom door. Cops came, got the bathroom door opened, and it was apparent that she had been trying to flush some sort of drugs down the toilet. They took them and the kids and left. She fought like a banshee. I half expected her to start yelling Attica. That left me with my favorite memory of the afternoon. Calling my new boss about an hour into my training. Hi

boss, Yes, it's Nick from the store. Nick. How's it going. Is there a problem? Yeah? Kind of, Bonnie, She's calling. The lady tried to steal six hundred dollars from the register, got into a domestic dispute, had her kids taken from her, tried to flood shrugs to hide them from the cops, and was taken away in a squad car fighting. What. Yeah, I'm going to annoy that part of the training

that happened in the last hour. Yep, weird huh. He then offered to come down, but I told him I could work some pumps, a lot of machines, and a registered by myself. He trusted me and for some reason stayed at home and that was my first hour on that job. Team messed up, But I've been paying the bills as a telemarketer since moving to that town, so this was a huge step up. At the time, Wow, I thought this was gonna be I never thought this would happen

to me. But when he said there was a girl that was training him, yeah, I know that one. Uh. It's a good first day on the job. That's amazing. I really wonder where he works. We got a bunch of these. I'm gonna I'm gonna read two more. The moral of these stories is always that just like I felt, I feel bad when I go to the store, to the to the door to pick up a pizza, and I'm going sweatpants yeah, or flipflight, but everybody else

is horrible yeah yeah, or amazing. Like the best case, we had somebody to say that, like like five out of ten times a girl dropped her towel or something. I'm gonna bet that four of those five times is probably somebody who's telling you want to stay on desperately, like please pick this back, throw the streets. Chris writes in I used to be a carpet

cleaner. I answered a call to a client's home and he answered the door with no shirt on and kind of ran his fingers like up his abdomen, all a silence of the lamb style, and I thought that was a little weird, but I had a job to do. He showed me the room he wanted me to clean. It was a door with a padlock on the outside of it. He opened it and it led to his garage. The garage door had been bolted into the concrete at the bottom, and the only

object inside the room was a stained mattress. The carpet had several dark stains on it, as well as well as urine. I cleaned the room while my partner watched the owner and then we got the hell out of there. This is the story about how one time I aided a serial killer. Oh man, oh my god, I really hope he called the cops. Oh, I thought this was about a unwarranted bedroom in the garage. Yeah, you have to get at it was an unlicensed bedroom in the garage to the

floor. I mean it seems like you could because we live in America. Yeah, I can't do what you want. No that you have to fucking followed the letter of the law. I don't like these stories. You want to freaking me out, Like I'm done after that one you got, well, just gotta drive me now. I don't trust him. Hey, you want to see my my garage that I bolted the door shut and there's a mattress in there. I don't guess what's in there. Yeah, there's this

couple of hands. What is that on the wall? I got a bandsaw. You know, they invented those for cuttings, but now you use them for some magazines over there. And I used to work on a magazine. I don't on this kind of magazine. This is this is not this is not a crazy work story. We talked about dumb restaurants. I'll switch it up a bit. They weren't going to kind of depressed this do a whole letters podcast. I know some of these are so great. I just love

this stuff to death. I was talking about we were talking about robotic food preparers and servers. Uh, and Michael says this maybe one ride in and we did didn't have anything quiet that fancy in the midas Midbass, but we did have a hilariously shoddy replacement. In the town I grew up in Sioux City, Iowa, we have a restaurant called the Pizza Peddler. Give you

an idea about the quality of this place. It was housed in the former town stockyards that a local eccentric had been trying to turn into an entertainment complex since the mid seventies. The same rooms that once larger cows were now serving pizza and also featured an indoor mint, a golf course made of old meatpack

doing machinery. Superclassic anyway, their gimmick was that they fitted a human sized coyote like figure onto a large remote controlled tricycle, then put the tricycle front wheel into a groove track in the floor that ran in a loop around the dining room and back to the kitchen the blood track. This allowed them to

fill the coyotes surfing trade with food. Then humans unseen would drive it out to your table, where presumably you were required to pick it up off the tray yourself, and had also had a fast food speaker belt into it so it could take your order and you could request your check. The human size really Places closed down in two thousand and four when the building was deemed unfit for occupancy, and some local youths then set fire to it a couple of

years later. Allowayers remember as at one place that you really wanted to go eat at exactly one time and then never again. There's a there's a hot dog place in the stockyards in Petaluma. But that's different. That's like going that's like auction food. Yeah, yeah, that's a different thing. This is this is this sounds like beyond imagining what they should have just used a cow. I think that's a little too on the nose. But it was

a pig slaughterhouse. Gross what all right? Gotta die right? This emails for you. This is that is to get you back up pumped again. Ranny about work. How excited you were about emails a while ago. Yeah, emails, you were really excited. When was that like when we started. This is from Chris. He's the guy who wrote in when I was like, oh, my shoulder hurt, and then was like, oh, you probably have the you know, everybody's shoulder hurts after the thing out,

and so he wrote in and was like, uh. I was like, oh, yeah, whatever. That sounds way more serious than when I had said my bad anyway, and he writes in, remember he was a doctor at I think he was actually a doctor out of Walgreen's right. He says, ladies and gentlemen, years ago, I had a girl come into the pharmacy one day that had some problems down there. I don't want to hear this. I forget what was at STD or yees, and then flashed me her junk, wanting me to figure out what was going on. Man.

The state of healthcare in this situation this country is no laughing matter. Say, it was totally dumbstruck. Since then, I've actually had a couple of close calls, but since her, I had been a little quicker to hold the phone before they go for their pant. Wow. So now it's not all bad story? Was she was she wearing flip flops? If she wasn't at the tube? Is? Now? Hey, So have any of you ever seen anybody naked in a work environment? Define naked, unexpected nudity in

a work plus okay, so unexpected no on camera? I did it a couple time that you ever got paid for that? But again, unexpected being in the keyword here. Okay, So like, have you seen below the waste nudity in a work site? We were doing those Games of the Year videos. There were some tight pants. I did warn everybody. Uh no, I had somebody walking on in the bathroom. I forgot the lock ones. Yeah it doesn't count. Okay, that's bathroom bathrooms I'm talking about.

Yeah, it seems like all these people have either nudity or drug use or babies. This is not an office environment. This is like you're dealing with the public. Most of these people are going into somebody's who. I'm just saying, have we all chose and like statistically based on the number of emails you've received and the number of people in this room, but I would assume that one of us would have at some point had a shitty job that involved

us to see somebody's junk. Oh you're saying ever, I think, oh, not right here. You guys normally keep your pants on. I walked in on one of our interns because he didn't lock the door at the bath room. Was he wanking or anything? Or was it just like nobody was? He was? And it was pretty funny because it was just one of those like, oh, never the same, Never look at that man the

same. At one time, I poured beer and bars in college, and I one time had to stop people from having sex in the back dark booth. Wow in the booth. Yeah, you're gonna say in a bathroom, that's crazy in a booth man? Yeah, were you polite? I I walked up. We had a baseball bat behind the bar, so I carried it over there just in case there were any problems. Really, you had the bat like you were just just shoulder like, did you roll up your

sleeves and put that little bartenders the roll with the bat? You don't hold the come out to play. No, you called it low because you don't. You don't want to be the You want to finish the fight, not start it, So you don't. When I when I started bartending that I got the lesson in effective bat use, and it's that you you bring it up, you let them instigate in a confrontation, and then you you don't threaten with the bat Initially you respond to a threat with the bat, so

you're holding it low, holding you hold it out your side. And then yeah, and then and then but it didn't come into play because they the girl was ran off. They was like dicks out and I was like, in the middle of the leave there was penetration, okay, man, yeah, and and and theres no excuse me, like like what did they say? Like the bar and we're fucking ship faced and thought it was a good idea. Oh I thought it was on my couch. What the conjugal visited

a prison? It was a really bad bar just there there no social graces that apply to that situation. No, you can't be like hey, I can't help, but knows you have your dick and your girlfriend this lady. I think that was it a crowded barrow? Is it like empty? It was like it was like the late night. It was like the after after closing, but not liquor bar u probably alternative like early alternative. Maybe maybe remember in Blues Tant Traveler was still alternative before this was like a scene from

singles. Maybe I was gonna guess like Country and Western, Oh they're having sex the Blues Traveler, they probably weren't having a whole thing just got ruined from me. It was probably was really up there with it, probably like ween or maybe stone templed pilots. Yeah, really well, if we will could see some ween. For sure, there was a lot of ween.

Last question here, this goes out to everybody. This comes in from Gavin and he says a question to y'all, you ever wake up in the morning and say I really don't feel like talking to a microphone today, and what do you do to overcome these woes? Brad, I can't say that's really ever occurred to me. Believe a choice. I really don't. Well, he's asking where do you find your motivation? Where do you pull it from? There's ill. Yeah, there are definitely some days when I come in

I got headache. I got a headache. I don't I'm not feeling I'm tired. Mon I'm gonna see you guys, and it's all smiles and I'm like, I got the greatest job in the world. Dave Snyder is gonna be here, Will Smith is gonna be here. Wouldn't miss it for the world. I'll tell you that. Recently, I've had the surprise Mike's, which have always been interesting because yeah, yeah, surprise Mike, Mike Jordan

shows up. Okay, no, because like Jeff is full time on, so it's like, all Will get picked up from my house, walk out my door, and then in his car and it's like, yeah, Mike's rounding. You're basically driving around an ed TV. Yeah, Jeff TV. Yeah, it's weird live streamed uh A and w Hey what did you have with W? I had a bacon bacon cheeseburger with the barbecue sauce and chili cheese fry. They call that a Western Yeah, something like that. And

then uh, you know the room paper float. Okay, it was great. It was superb Do you have time to get home before you know? It was fun? It was good. I thought it was good. Okay, I would I would recommend it. I would go there again. Okay A plus plus Yeah, great buyer, so kind of needs more sellers like this. Do you have any uh? I think I don't feel like you just need to find it. Today I was feeling kind of sick, yeah,

and real tired. But I think once you walk through the door, you kind of you're just like all right doing this, Like adrenaline gets up and you just power through. Yeah. I think there is definitely something to doing it often where it does you know, you're just like, okay, we can do this, Like even if I'm not feeling one hundred percent, I'll you know, try my best and we'll go for it. Yeah. There are totally times when I'm tired. This is my third podcast today.

There you go, just do it. We did two Adam podcast this afternoon. Does that count this too? Or is that one podcast? Two different topics? How many is this? What is it? Is it really eight fifty? This is into five hours? Yeah we should we should? Yeah, sorry, no, continue with your story, but stress it out of it. I'm done now, slow, it's good. Yeah, that's gonna do it. We we started a little late. We started speaking of not

wanting sometimes not feeling up. We're talking into a microphone. Before we came here, we had an hour and a half meeting, a minute long meeting. Those in all hands and honestly, those are the Those are the things that make it. Like those hour and a half long meetings are the things that like I get up and I'm like, oh god, it's that day. It's the call day. I've got two hours of phone calls. I would much rather be sitting with dudes recording video game stuff then sitting here and

talkie talks. But thank you guys so much for coming by. Uh Will and Dave, Dave, you've got here now a regular on the commute stream so folks can catch you over there. I'm a professional podcast. Yes, and you've got Monday through Wednesdays a right look for you. Yeah, check us out at the chef scar and you're working on product and you've got your whole thing going on. Yes, and then Will Hi, I'll let you

pitch some some of your stuff while you're here. We have a site that's like set called tested dot Com. It's a little we uh we we do. We cover people who make cool things and any science stuff. But oh channel too, like that guy, like that MythBusters guy. We we have Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman from the MythBusters on our on our site so nicely regularly and uh yeah, I mean, we make five videos a week about

people who do cool things. And we talked about products, and we today we recorded a podcast about where we talked about True Detective, the new HBO TV show. Was there no episode last night because of the fucking super Bowl? But I mean HBO is not involved in that because it's just was on The New Girl after the super Bowl. They just assuming nobody was watched Prince on The New Girl. Like Prince Prince, I had never heard his voice before, and it's not the same. It's it's very sexy. Blows my

mind. Yeah, he had like a he's saying more he's my Saints row. He had like a like a legitimate speaking part. It wasn't just like oh he's over there on a stage playing he was. He was a spirit selling Jesus. Like no, no, yeah, I mean they're going to compete with Prince. You're not going to change the channel for that. So we talked about two Detective and then we talked about animated moments. So we talk about stuff that we think is neat that's tested. That's basically what test

it is. And where when when is your podcast? Man? We have one on Tuesday and one on Thursday, so ours will be up the same time this one is. It's still entitled The Adams Havoc Project. It's a Q and A episode tomorrow. We take it's like the last hour of this podcast where we took questions, but without all the filthy stories. So you know, you just bring it, you just bring it for this show. Yeah, yeah, well he brought the filth whatever. You just need to

stop writing in Dear giant bomb Cast. I never thought this would happen to mean carpets. Thanks Drew, Thanks brand, thanks for another bomb cast, and thanks we have we have to plug demon Souls. That's right. We Brad has agreed to do demon Souls tomorrow. Really from like I don't know, like one o'clock until five thirty whenever, six five thirty in the morning. That's a heck of a lot of demon souls and I can't wait to

see you after our time. I might bring myself a little snack or something, because we would do well to build a breaking I have seen you had two hours of Demon Souls and you're usually ready to go. Are you just gonna grind? Just go out and grind those skeletons. At the start of the fourth World over and over again. We'll see where it is and we'll have professional prizes at the end of the week. Maybe a little more stuff coming up. Thanks you all for listening, and that's a bomb cast. Emails