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everybody it's tuesday may 20th 2025 welcome to the giant bombcast episode 891 i am your host jan ochoa joining me captain of the ship he's a master of improv and he's training to be a mime as we speak but he's gonna break his vow of silence to deliver the news co-captain of the ship jeff
Jay, you're really good at timing out that YouTube thing. It faded in perfectly. I'm really impressed. Good job, buddy. Thank you so much. Speaking about timing, he's the master of all time. He wears 12 watches, but you can't see them. Guess where he's hiding them? Dan Riker. I usually wear one watch, but I'm not now because this is when I charge it. That's a fun little anecdote for folks.
Speaking about charging up, he's constantly charging up because he's constantly low battery mode, but he's exceeding the battery limit that your phone automatically sets you to. Master of energizers. Energizer batteries, he's our own bunny of the team. Jeff Bacalar. Oh, that's me? I'm the battery guy. He's the energy guy? That's the funny part of the intro. Damn, why do you charge your watch during the waking hours?
Um, because it does the sleep tracking thing now. So it's like, I didn't, I used to do it when I slept, but then it's like, you do it when you're awake now, uh, so we can track your sleep REM and all that. So Apple's position is like, There's going to be a point where you can't use this and that sucks. I mean, you're going to sit down at some point during the day and I don't want to charge it when I'm up and moving around. I'm missing steps that I should be tracking, you know?
That's fair. Thanks, Jim. Glad to be here, bud. And I'm glad that he's here and that he's on our team now. He's the bad boy of games media. He's overcome with the power of music and anarchy. Mike Minari. speaking of bunnies give me a moment the zootopia 2 teaser trailer dropped i'm watching this there's a snake now no i think the cops are bad in this one they're chasing they're chasing the fox and the bunny girl oh never mind now i'm into it um
Mike, uh, Lilo and Stitch update. I heard the live-action movie's good. Oh, good, because I have to see it anyway, so that's great that it might actually be good. Have to? Um, you know what? I'm going to say yes. I think I was going to have to. I think have to is the word. Is it a gun to run situation? Um, no, but, like, the nephew-nieces want to. I do like Lilo and Stitch. Like, you make a live-action Snow White.
It's like, well, that's not even real to me. That's elaborate. What do you mean it's not real to you? That's just not a real thing, actually. No, the cartoon is hugely real and incredibly important. It's never been more real. Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, but I don't, like, that's not a part of my personality, the way maybe Lilo and Stitch is. If that sounds like a bad thing to say, but true nonetheless
Hey, Ohana means family and family means no one gets left behind. I had breakfast with Lilo and Stitch in Disney World and it was great. I'm not attacking you. I'm trying to be on your side. I'm just excited about the sausages I had at Ohana. Which means family, if only someone's forgotten left behind. I'm sorry. I think we should start a movement to just transport all of games media events to Hawaii. Oh, sure. I'm sure I can go there. I've never been.
Oh, there's a Disney hotel there. Hey, wait, you've never been to Hawaii? No. Yeah, I've never been. No. Well, no, Jeff, I understand, but Mike finds himself at Disney 11 times a year, and I'm like, Man. That's why he hasn't been to Hawaii. Yeah, I get it. They do more things than just one place. Just go west. Go west more. Between a couple trip things that have come up recently, I'm learning about his very specific travel requirements lately.
Oh god, I won't go see the Juggalos. Oh my god, now I'm thinking of three different trips. Three different trips where he's like, actually, no. i have some housekeeping um i want to bring up so first of all obviously the biggest of thanks to everyone who's who's gotten uh um up and supported what we're trying to do here no what do you mean
I was just making a joke about you saying nice things, and I pretended to be stupid. It's the joke. Oh, God, I got it, I got it, I got it. My bad. We can try that again later on in the podcast. We'll circle back. So, uh, I've, uh, been messing around and up in the guts, uh, as it were, of our, uh, payment systems, whatnot.
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That is the housekeeping PSA for the day. Take it away, Jen. Thank you for keeping the house, Mr. Bacalar. That's right. He keeps the lights running. That's why he's the battery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, how's everyone doing? How's every- our thing? was yesterday a three day weekend Or am I imagining that? No, that's next week, maybe. I guess we don't know. You were at the full day yesterday, Jan. I know, but I was here sitting at my desk.
Yeah, what the fuck's a weekend, Jan? You'll have to explain. Yeah, I don't know what those are either. It turns out looking for new apartments in San Francisco is dog shit. You're moving. That doesn't seem fun. You know, housing is tied to someone's employment, not my own. Otherwise, I wouldn't have one. So, yeah, I gotta figure out how to move all this shit that I've accumulated and this couch.
Is it heavy? It's heavy, and also it's missing the footy pad thing. Oh, that's better to make it so you can move, yeah. Do they have furniture repairmen? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a repairman for just about anything. I'm going to look up the yellow pages for that. Reupholster. Honestly.
Well, I mean, yeah, you probably ought to just look up furniture, and I bet Furniture Repairment will be right there. But yeah, people fix things, if that's the question. Well, yeah, actually, that dovetails directly into something I was about to think about, was that my cat, It's been very good. Not.
destructive or anything but despite the fact that we put big ass scratch posts and stuff right next to this nice couch we have in the living room it really likes scratching the nice couch and so like what happens if it just rips up the back of the couch? What do you do?
It just does. You own a cat now. There are things to do there, but you got to try things. You got to try a bunch of different things before you find out what the cat likes more than the couch. Okay. Shit. Yeah. Okay. That's the one complaint otherwise has been delightful. yeah um if you yes for that sort of thing you can definitely get something reupholstered if that if that's the concern or whatever yeah you can fix furniture that way just add like it's like
like, stem cells where there's, like, just furniture cells that will, like, spread and just form whatever. Like, the animal machines. No. Yeah, like, the animal machines. It's just cloth. Oh, that will match the previous cloth? Well, they might have to reupholster the whole thing. I don't know. It's going to depend. I don't care about this anymore. I've watched Minecraft five times in the last couple of days. Wow. The game or the movie? The movie, yeah. Oh, no. Big important question.
Do you resent your children? this is like one of the ones where i'm beginning to get there yeah i got pretty high tolerance for most of their bullshit in fact i end up liking most of it even like the dumbass youtube videos that's just nonsense or created by a computer somewhere i'm like yeah this is like sort of a punk rock version of YouTube. I'll watch this. This It's getting to be a bit much. It's Jack Black. I like Jack Black or have in the past. It's too much Jack Black.
I want to paraphrase this tweeter. Not paraphrase. I'm just going to quote the first five words from Jeff Gerstmann on Blue Sky after seeing Minecraft. It isn't a bad movie. Do you disagree? I think it's, um... it's so forgettable forgettable that it might as well be bad uh like it's just nothing matters and then the only times the only time anything happens that like the kids are quoting
It's just Jack Black sort of yelling something or singing a song. That's his thing. This feels very much like the Pixels movie, right? Yeah, that's right. Yes, that's a good analog. Yeah, although I think there are people who like Free Guy. That's not Free Guy. It's fine. Yeah, where like I don't think you would call pixels fine. I haven't seen pixels, no. Right? That's Sander, right? Kevin James fucks Pac-Man or something like that. It's most Kevin James movies. You can't fuck Pac-Man.
Not with that attitude. I mean, there are things you can do, but not fuck. Okay. He has a son. There's a Pac Jr. How do you think that happened to him? I'm saying a human person couldn't fuck Pac-Man. Why? Well, you know, it's terrible that Mythbusters ended, right? So, like, we could check this out. I'm just thinking about that show, The Studio, where they're talking about fucking the Kool-Aid guy.
Is that the new one that's on Apple? We cannot go back into the Kool-Aid man discourse because I still haven't been able to get over is the Kool-Aid man the Kool-Aid or is he the pitcher? Here's the catcher. i think honestly honestly okay i mean that's like the same thing with the regular show like is benson gumball a gumball machine or is like he's a gumball machine
Sure, okay, so why can't you apply the same logic to the Kool-Aid man? We got there eventually. No, because, like, the Kool-Aid man, shouldn't he be called, like, the pitcher man? I bet you are just splitting hairs here, brother. You can film in a way that I am not okay with. You can film with whatever. Yeah, that's true.
It's fun to see what the auto-mod catches when we're doing this podcast. Dan's out yelling, a human can't fuck Pac-Man, and Cat Powered and Chet says, Yeah, because you have to make love to pass.
man they did not let that through wow anti-romance youtube here my office door closed on me so that's the kind of podcast it's been so far here my favorite thing about pac-man to make this about video games again is that they made all these weird pac-man spin-offs like miss pac-man professor pac-man like super pac-man or whatever and none of them are called pac-man too then they made this weird game for the super nintendo and genesis where you kind of like
Poke Pac-Man around for a slingshot to make him solve puzzles And that's called Pac-Man 2. Yeah. That's one of my favorite things in video games. The whole Pac-Man lineage is real fucked up. Because you had a very clear, you know, Pac-Man vs. Pac-Man. And you have all the 3D adventures. You have these weird side-scrollers. It's just all over the place. there is like a segment of video games especially the earlier ones where it's like the idea of one like called like two
is weird. Like, Tetris 2 is a really strange idea. I mean, like, puzzle-type games, you know? Which I would kind of throw back in. I guess it's just more of an arcade game. It's a maze game, right? Yeah, but Tetris 2 is a very weird one. Yeah. It's like a concept. You can't have a sequel to a concept. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. Tetris is like a set of rules that make a game that should never change. Tetris 2 has all the bombs added to it. It's just not bad.
Tetris. I mean, it's Tetris, but not as good. And it's definitely not Tetris 2! No, yeah. Give me Tetris Attack, which is actually just paneled upon Tetris Sphere. Oh, we can't talk about this here anymore. I'll throw my decadent blender for tetrasphere. And that's stuff you can catch if you watch live. That was on the pre-show. I guess it comes way out of place if you didn't hear the pre-show. Yeah, but you said it so everyone guessed it.
All right, I guess let's just go ahead and talk about video games. Drew Carey said that. That's a Drew Carey tweet. Yeah, that's a Drew Carey tweet. Oh, gosh. Speaking about twos, Capcom Fighting Collection 2 came out last week. We did a quick look of it and a UPF where we played a lot of Power Stone 2. Uh, gents, I understand that a bunch of you have played this. How are you? Are you digging the collection?
i love it it's a bunch of bangers it's like there's a ton of good games in there and they did a great job of making sure that they're easy to play get in there and have fun and that upf where we were bouncing around between a bunch of games was a really good time. There have been some aspersions cast upon Power Stone and its ability to convey fun. What is happening? What's this anti-Power Stone 2 contingent coming out of nowhere? What? Wait, wait, wait. Is this? I gotta ask. Is this?
like the smash community like hating on powerstone powerstone is more fun than smash Okay, to be clear, but you don't have to say that because it's not the Smash community, so calm down. I'm just saying. We're talking about that. He's ready to expulse, Mike. All right? I do think Power Stone is not a game that you're going to be playing for eight hours the entire night you're hanging out with your friends.
uninterrupted but the fact that it's part of this compilation where you can bounce back and then it's like alright now let's go play more Power Stone I think it's like the perfect vehicle for a game like that where it's like Okay, like we've had our time doing a one-on-one fighter where one person's playing against one other person.
But we're all kind of sitting here. Let's get all four people involved again. Let's go back to Power Stone. It's kind of a good balance. The whole package works really well. Power Stone 2 is the four-player one, but Power Stone 1 is still 1v1. So, you know, if you need to have that.
It's there too. And yeah, if you want to have the sweaty fighting game experience, there's games like that here still. Capcom vs. SNK 2 is just one of the best kind of pure... pixel 2d fighting games in that like original street fighter 2 lineage of games kind of like that
It might be my favorite one up there with Third Strike, right? It's still so good. I've been playing a ton of it. I've been doing ranked matches and mostly losing but still having a great time because the game just feels so good to play. all the different grooves like the different ways you can kind of play the game and the different ways you can set up your team where you could have just one character who has a ton of health and power or you could have Three where it's spread out more.
so i'm just fighting all sorts of interesting teams it is an old game so there is a meta figured out so sometimes you're gonna come across people who are just doing like sagat and blanca and you know uh bison or cammy or whoever else is supposed to be very good but generally people are kind of messing around a lot i think and playing more interesting characters I'm doing silly things like a level 4 Shinokuma, stuff like that. It's been really fun playing online.
I was surprised by, was it Project Justice? And what was the other one? Project Justice and Plasma Sword. And they were both Dreamcast, right? They're arcade, but almost all of these games were on Dreamcast eventually.
It made me think that Soul Calibur is my most played game ever, the original Dreamcast one. And it makes me think, man, if I would have branched out and got some more fighting games on Dreamcast, I probably would have been all about those games. Oh, yeah. I mean, what a good system for fighting games. Absolutely. surprisingly fun like it's just oh yeah Capcom had been making fighting games for some time at this point.
so even when they were experimenting even when they were going 3d they were really kind of crushing it across the board uh yeah i want to play more of the of all those games yeah and plasma sword is really easy kind of pick up and play kind of like soul caliber in that sense where you can't kind of mash around and cool stuff's gonna happen
project justice is a little bit more complicated but it's very silly also it's all like high school students and their teachers beating up each other there's these really silly team-up attacks like one of the characters is the school's nurse She has all these like chiropractor moves that she's doing with grapples and her specials. The guy who plays like Ryu looks like... A middle-aged math teacher?
So that's fantastic. Oh, the guy with the shoulder pauldrons and everything. I love pauldrons. What's the one with the Star Wars Voldos? There's two of them. That was Plasma Swords. Oh, that was great. I like that. Prince and Saturn. Saturn and Prince. And yeah, they were just big sillies. and that's the game too where the lineage was Goes back to it maybe being a Star Wars series and then that didn't happen. So you can find all these. Post Terakazi, they were going to try it again.
What's that? Yes, yes. I think Terrace Gossie happened instead of their attacks. Well, Terrace Gossie was PS1. I'm trying to think timeline-wise. Yeah, yeah, but there was a game before. So this is a sequel to a game called Star Gladiator, and that's the one that was going to be Star Wars. And that's a PS1 game. Got it. Exactly. For whatever reason, the first Street Fighter game I ever played was on the PS1, and it was Alpha 3.
And my main was Rolento, the guy with a pipe. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's he from? Is he from Alpha? I think he's from Alpha, isn't he? I thought he was just from Alpha. He's not from like Final Fight or something like that or whatever. Okay. You know what? I'm looking at images right now of the first Street Fighter. I don't think I've ever played this game. Is there a more forgotten original game? Oh, yeah.
That's right. It's never in these collections, it feels like. It's a completely different kind of game in a lot of ways. It's like you only play as Ryu, and you kind of go through a couple of fights. You can be Ryu and Ken, and it's basically a boss rush, and you can 1v1 those two characters. The physics are... Really weird. It's not a pretty game. It is in the Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection. It's not fun to play now. No, it was Street Fighter 2. It is the all-time best.
sequel leap ever it's it's like in any medium like anywhere like any the gap between Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter 1 is like you can fit the rest of the world inside of that I was about to argue Terminator 2 being but here's like Terminator 2 is the best sequel but Terminator 1 is still really fucking good Yeah, exactly. The chasm isn't as deep. It's a different thing, yes.
street fighter one i think i've only ever played uh on a dos version on my computer 30 years ago uh or something like that so i i want to i should track down like the actual like arcade cab it's weird because it's not this good game but it has this really interesting lineage because all the people who made that quit
went to SNK and made Fatal Fury. The first actual sequel to it is Final Fight. Like, Final Fight was, I think, maybe going to be called Street Fighter 2 at some point. Then you actually had Street Fighter 2 after Final Fight. so it's this bad game that just like spawned all this great stuff Yep. I didn't know that. Yeah.
I didn't know the Final Fight thing. Yeah. But Relinto actually is from Final Fight. Oh, okay. Yeah, a lot of those Final Fight, because Final Fight's in the same universe, so a lot of those Final Fight characters eventually show up in Street Fighter Alpha and 4 and other games. Oh, Mike, we have so much to talk about. Explain the whole history. We've had all this time now. Street Fighter Alpha 3 was also awesome. Yeah.
just really enjoying that upper yeah i did run into the problem as a kid and then we kind of like uh buffed up against it in the quick look of like all the isms in in uh those games are just like we're super confusing the same but yeah
like you got to just kind of ignore it until you understand it right because it doesn't like for the way that we're playing it it doesn't actually change all that much at least that seems to be my interaction with it so far so i kind of just like pretend it doesn't exist for the most part. It is intimidating at first.
If I had had a friend that was really into it and could just have told me that back then, I bet I would have been really into it because I loved fighting games a ton as a kid. But then, yeah, the isms and the grooves and all that, I'd see that and be like, what the fuck? I don't understand what I'm doing here. Yeah, and Capcom vs. SESICATE 2 is intimidating, because it's like immediately, here's six grooves!
here's 30 characters pick one or three of them now pick the ratios for them it's like what is happening i want to just do a hadouken yep yep exactly uh speaking about doing a hadouken uh and the grooves The Rhodes generally have a lot of grooves. There's nothing with a Hadouk in there, actually. No. We got the grooves, though. The groove is in the heart, just as well as Roadcraft seems to be in Jeff Grubb's heart.
yeah yeah so i've spent some more time with this uh this is the game that is making me continue to think that my cpu is fried i did update my bios and everything and it just won't work until i restarted my computer today but whatever uh it is there's a lot of cool stuff going on in this game so as a reminder i talked about it last week it's a construction game you you control a bunch of different vehicles but it does some cool stuff where it's like
it's not all on you uh part of it is like you can set up some routes for computer controlled trucks to like take some other stuff while you're working on either something else or maybe to clear the way for them as they're coming down the road. There could be something in the way. And that gives you a lot of reasons to be in the cool vehicles.
It's not just about like you hauling stuff the way that mud runners or snow runners was. It's like, no, that stuff is being hauled right now. And if you don't go over there and like open the fence at the easy side or.
clear off all this debris on the more difficult side they're just going to get stuck and you're not going to be able to complete this mission so it's like okay great uh that means i'm gonna go get back in this bulldozer and i'm gonna use that to clear all this stuff off the road again and that's like the game finding a way to ensure you're in the most fun vehicles most of the time and also
like i think it strikes the right balance of making sure that you're doing all of the stuff required to build a road versus Bypassing that to make sure you're getting back to the fun as quickly as possible. For example, there is a segment where you play as a truck with the crane and you got to pick up all these big heavy slabs.
And I started doing that last week and I finished it this week and it was cool because it's like, okay, I actually do get to control the crane, move it over. I can lift it up. I can put it down, move it left to right laterally. I can extend it. I can drop the rope. I can control the length of the rope. So I have full control over this crane. And I'm going to pick up these slabs. And I just kind of had to drive them across the street. Put them in my base. And now that they're in the base,
they can, at that point, magically teleport to all your other bases. So it's like, okay, I got to do some fun stuff. and now the game's going to make it also pretty convenient for me to re-access those resources when i get to the other side of the map it's like shit i wish i had that stuff well now i do so it's pretty wisely designed in terms of that stuff and then
i'm like i keep playing the game and i'm like this would be pretty fun multiplayer because there's just like everyone could be doing their own thing and working towards a common goal and i think they really emphasize that with this one so i'm kind of excited to see how that works
So that means I'm going to make you all play at some point. Okay. I'm looking at screenshots of it, and I might as well have just typed, make a Jeff Grubb game into Chad. Oh, boy, yes. It really super is. And it's like, you know.
I do like big trucks, I've found out, sure, yeah, but it's really the physics. Anytime you have a big vehicle that has to move through mud and get around trees and things like that, And I could see how the tires are sort of like slipping and sliding and then catching the mud and how the mud gets deformed because of the tire interacting with it. That's just my shit, and this game is just all of that.
I can make it sound more sensual. I mean, there was something that triggered me. I was reading an email, and then all of a sudden I heard you going off on mud in a way that fell. I haven't played air. any of these games yet uh somehow i want to play this one I did really like that one part in Uncharted 4 where I had to winch a jeep. So do you think, based off of that, I'll have a good time here.
It's based off that part of the game. They basically just took that and made that a video game. You are gonna win so much shit in this game oh my god you know i i feel like we we've made it a point and a goal to try and make some of mike minati's dreams happen like being a skipper on like the jungle cruise Jeff Grubb, do you want to drive a big-ass tow truck?
Yes. I want to make that happen. You should do that cross-country to get out to SGF. Start driving now. Can we get one of those ones that looks like Mater from Cars? for him. I would do that. I'm fine with that. There's a little crane, tow truck crane on it. Yeah, please. When I was 18, I made a commercial for a tow truck or a big rig company, and I was supposed to go out to this truck lot, and we had to get three trucks together to have them all do this thing for the commercial.
And two of the trucks didn't show up, so I just had to sit in a big rig for like three hours while the driver listened to Christian rock radio and talked to me about Jesus. and that's why some tow trucks have like a crucifix in the back exactly that's right yeah yeah uh speaking about driving a couple of us have played deliver at all costs
Quick look now on the site. There's a winch. You can do a winch. There's plenty of winching. There is? Yeah. You've got to get a blueprint for it and build it. um yes i unlocked the doors the door thing that's where i'm at i think i unlocked one more thing since then but that's the first thing i unlocked and i'm like oh i get it now this game's gonna be
Fun. Like, it just does fun stuff. The door thing's hilarious, because, like, yeah, that's the first thing you unlock. And I've yet to find an actual use for it. By the way, this is delivered at all costs. The quick look is up now. You're driving around, you're delivering stuff kind of like isometric, almost like GTA style, you know.
It's very, very fun. With a ton of destructibility. Just driving straight through buildings. The moment I saw that, I'm like, I'm going to like this thing. Yeah, it feels so good. But the door thing, yeah, you unlock a thing where on your company car, if you hit circle, It opens up both the doors and the hood. And your hood. And the only thing I found to do with that is like, if I'm driving by a sidewalk and someone's walking, I'm like, this door's checking me, you know?
It's like hitting them with a seven iron. They just go flying. Which it rules. Watch the quick look. There's a mission where I have to deliver a bunch of stinky watermelons and keep a bunch of them in the truck. And I went back to it when I had upgrades. And so I had spike wheels and things like that. And I don't know how many fucking times in this quick look, I would just go up to a car with my truck full of watermelons and... shear the edge off the car and then the driver's corpse
would fly into the bed of my stinky watermelon truck. I don't think they're supposed to die. They're supposed to stand back up. But since they were like rolling around with all these watermelons, there's just these bodies freaking out in the watermelon. It was incredible.
Watch the quick look just for that. It's a very good quick look. Basically, you get bombed a million times while trying to deliver a trampoline to a Navy base, I think. It's just a bunch of really wacky delivery missions where it's like,
The melon one is, oh, this guy's trying to sell these stinky, shitty watermelons to like a tiki bar. And they're like, we don't want these. They're stinky. So you take it, you spray them with pesticides to get all the bugs off them. And then you paint them green. And then you drive them back. And then there's another one where it's like. A guy wants to impress a girl with a fish he caught, and so there's this giant swordfish, and then you also paint the swordfish, and it's alive on the back.
Thank you. Painted swordfishes on the back of your truck just flopping around like crazy and you have to drive through like stinky fish barrels to feed it so it doesn't die or whatever because it's alive in your truck bag yeah it's just freaking out in your truck um oh man it's just so silly and fun the destructibility is great like
I always hated in games where it's like any driving game where it was like, you know, one of the GTAs where you hit a light post or something and the physics are too realistic and it's like, I got to get back up to speed and all that.
This is, you're just plowing through shit like crazy. It makes me think of like Geomod Red Faction stuff or... I mean, Blascar. Blascar, yeah, Mike brought that up in the quick look. Yeah, it's totally that. But yeah, super, super goofy. I mean, if there's criticism I'd give is that like... There's some pacing stuff. I'm pretty far in the game now. I'm eight or nine hours in. And there's a lot of story stuff. And the game is quirky. I like the whole presentation.
But I don't like the story enough to dedicate this much time to it, you know? That was going to be my question, Dan. Like, it starts off with quite a bit of story. Like, once you're in the game and you're driving around, it's the game and you're driving around. But there are the segments in between some of these missions where it's like... we're gonna you're the character's gonna be talking and he's gonna tell you what's going on you're gonna have to go talk to other people as well
and i'm like so that doesn't sort of like fade away it kind of maintains at that level if anything it's kind of been doing more of that uh where i have started playing it a little more as like a podcast game you know where it's like i'm listening to something or watching something in the background because like
i don't know the the presentation i like the story i'm not super into it is like a quirky 60s you know like some alien stuff some like you know paranoia government agent type stuff but it's i don't know it's it's not the strength of the game the strength it all doesn't matter right it's all very very silly to the point where it's obvious that none of the story matters yeah it's just where every every mission the fun part is like okay what is the gimmick here like yeah yeah parentheses positive
so it's like okay delivering a fish i'm getting bombed on a golf course um you know just like having to drive this car into a volcano that type of shit you know yeah the goofiness kind of reminds me of like thug one and thug two of like hey this is a very off-kilter mission
And then I do enjoy the driving. Mike, you said something interesting about like it being isometric and like kind of enjoying that view more because you see more. And I guess that's never clicked with me with like isometric driving games. I haven't really clicked with them in the past, but for whatever reason, maybe it's because I can crash through everything in this game and not get really penalized. It's great. Right, right.
Oh, go ahead, Mike, sorry. But yeah, like isometric, it's like it has that vibe, but really it's more of a top-down thing. It's like the old GTA. It's in between, right? It's kind of in between because there's a bit of a slant to it. Yeah, there's an angle. It's like you squint and it's... Yeah, it's RC program if you squint at it, right? You can choose if you want to do like kind of like tank perspective controls or, you know, just like...
What are you guys doing? Default tank controls. I mean, I love the old GTAs. I love RC Pro-Am. I'm used to that. Are any of those original GTAs worth Revisiting? I never checked them out. I would just play Chinatown Wars. Because that's like, that's one where they kind of were informed by all the stuff they did with like 3 and Vice City and San Andreas.
but it goes back to that top-down perspective, and it's got just a lot more going on. It's awesome. I think it's one of my favorite GTAs. I never played those Hotline Miami games that are, again, more inspired by the original GTA. It's a little different. Pretty different.
straight up action games, right? Yeah, it's not driving around. GTA 1 and 2 are like transformative for me I mean just the openness of it and just the tone and it had a fart button I was I was in yeah very transformative I remember writing GTA 2 and just being like this is awesome and then me and my friends have been like
I can't wait for them to make this into 3D. And we basically described GTA 3 to each other. And it was like, then they delivered. It was awesome. There are some other... uh gta inspired games that have come out recently american fugitive and i think i just call it grand theft horse but i don't think it's actually called grand theft horse but red dead redemption Yeah, exactly. There's another top-down one like that that are pretty good. I think it's from the American Fugitive.
So I'll look it up. I might check out Chinatown Wars. It's solid. It's so good. I remember playing that. Play it on a real 3DS or DS because you do need to use the stylus a lot for some diffusing bottom games and stuff. Yeah, what was the PSP version? I got City Stories and Vice City Stories. No, but they ported Chinatown Wars to PSP. Did they? Oh, wow, okay. And I don't think it's the ideal way to play it.
Yeah, probably not. I like it on DS, yeah. I played a ton on DS, yeah. All right, all right. I'll go dig out my DS. speaking about quick looks that we did for games recently we also did a quick look for doom the dark ages mike minotti i understand that you have now been playing doom the dark age
Yeah, I have been. I played Doom Eternal not too long ago, just about a month ago, getting ready for this. And it is so nice that this isn't just Doom Eternal too, and I like Doom Eternal quite a bit. But I love that the mechanics here are different, that you get the shield. And it's not just a gimmick, parentheses negative, it is a core part of the experience.
doing the shield dashing blocking stuff and parrying stuff and i i get like some people are being a bit snarky like oh i guess we're just gonna put parries into more games and make them better and i'm like
Eh, kinda! You don't have a problem with it! Give me a parry in burnout! Especially when it's very generous in Doom the Dark Knight. At least on the default, that parry is easy to hit. And you can even, like, there's a slider for the parry time you can just mess around with it but yeah it's very generous it's not necessarily
about the hardcore there's that one enemy in doom uh eternal that like was one that had this parry windows like the only way to really attack him and it was pretty rough it was kind of unforgiving it was a tough fight i liked it but i think it It ruffled a lot of people's feathers because it was very difficult. And it was very rigid with the way you had to fight this guy. But Geo Eternal had a bit of that. Where the specific ways you had to attack certain enemies was.
Very rigid like even those those flying orb guys is like you're supposed to shoot a rocket in their mouth And that kind of gets them in one hit and the glory kill thing which was cool. That was so much of doom eternal like glory kills are almost omnipresent almost oppressive just how much you were depending on that to stay alive and here at least you know Unlike in the first seven levels, I just did that first big dragon riding one.
I feel like there's a bit more jazz in the way I can play it, a bit more freeform. And by the way, flying around on a dragon in that level. It's really cool. I like that a lot. There's some rigidity there with like, oh, there's an invisible wall. Or when you like lock onto an enemy, you sort of just like somewhat awkwardly snap into place facing them. I also didn't really care because it looked really cool and it was really fun. Do you guys find the dragon and the kaiju segments?
Does it break up the pacing too much? I like how it breaks it up. Yeah, the pacing needs breaking up. Yeah, because, you know, Mike, I was watching your stream and you were talking about Doom Eternal getting some flack for the super long levels. And I do feel like when I get to that Atlan, that mech level, it's just like, okay.
Last one I did was a big, you know, scouring all the environments for every hidden thing and everything, whereas the Atlan one was like, I'm just going to step on everything and shoot everything with a giant turret. Like, it did feel like it broke up the base in a good way.
uh mike i understand you have also been playing doom is this the 2018 or the original original this is the og doom um first time or not first time i played it you know back then for sure and you know it's important to everything
But I realize, I don't think I've ever actually played through Doom. And I've played other... these retro shooters getting remastered on my switch i did uh quake that way i did off truck one that way are you doing the the new releases the doom one and two uh i can't remember if they have a subtitle it's just doom one plus two i think yeah so like recently they like re-remastered these games on everything
That's awesome. It's not very expensive, and it has Doom 1, Doom 2, and all sorts of these other episodes that got released for it. I'm like, oh, let's play Doom 1 on my Switch. That would be kind of a nice...
i'm looking for something to play while i'm watching youtube in bed at night right um this is something that i know is relatively breezy it's not gonna have a lot of story that i need to listen to doom one still is a ton of fun and these remasters are uh great i i love these things and i love
just being like i'm gonna map quicksave to up on the d-pad and quickload to down on the d-pad and like i'm gonna save scum like crazy and just play through as much of this game as possible because who cares i'm having a good time Yeah, I heard nothing but good things about that Doom 1 plus 2. I played a little bit of it and was like, yeah, this is impressive. It is Night Dive, right? I think Night Dive did those, yeah. Updated those, yeah. That's just solid work from them, as always.
right and again like i'm like on the third chapter of doom which i think was like there's three chapters originally i think there's a fourth bonus one i might play too Then there's all of Doom 2, and then all this other stuff. So like Final Doom and stuff on there? I think it has the chapters that comprised Final Doom. Final Doom is like a fan thing, right?
Yeah, it was originally actually. It was like a mod thing that got turned into an official thing. Right. But there was like two times where John Romero came back and made more level packs for like a 20th anniversary and then a 30th anniversary or whatever in those.
are in here so there's just a ton of doom but even like the old stuff like these og levels are still really fun you know there was something about just playing this game like man this was important wasn't it you kind of get it there's even a part of me that Because, you know, back then... they ported doom to everything and all the ports had these caveats and blah blah blah and we joke now about all this thing can run doom but there's still a part of me that's like wow
this thing is running doom perfectly and i shouldn't think like that i just i remember how bad the super nintendo port was even right like the 32x even the 3d version 30s is pretty good to start. It's interesting, yeah. The 3DO one was... terrible and you would have thought like that would be amazing and it's the gba one is kind of like weirdly good but still a bunch of those caveats yeah right so there's one plus two that's uh i forgot the night dive did that that sounds awesome
it's awesome it's great and these games are still fun to play and they're just kind of breezy and still interesting and obviously historically important i think everybody should play them yeah um I, in my basement, after emptying out my childhood home, I got that. I found that CD. Did I tell you guys about that? The CD with all the wads on it? No. No. So I had I guess from like
EB Games or Babbage's or one of those fucking... Give us Simpsons Watt or whatever? Like what you have on there? No, it was like a retail thing that I guess back then like you could just get away with with selling at a store and no one would really like say there were no rules in the 90s yeah it was the wild west back then we were all kids we were all just kids back then
And exactly. I wasn't born yet. Exactly. Well, now you get it. And I found the CD and it was like this really weird cover jewel case with like this like skull on it. And out of the skull was like the logo doom. And it was just like. hey, bud, how would you like 10,000 wads for Doom? And you're like, you know, I guess I'm like maybe 10 or 12 at the time, and I'm just like, fuck, whatever this is, I need it. And I found the CD, and it's in the basement now with all the other...
We should do a stream where we go through some of those. Right. i'll need a cd drive you can get like a usb cd drive for like 10 bucks for 58 cents i bet yeah it's crazy what's the wads i remember like i think this is the first kind of form of rebellion most people from my generation had. Was just wads or AOL flash games. where you killed barney the dinosaur sure it was like it was our way of being like i'm not a child anymore this is for kids and everyone's like yeah we know what's your problem
Well, he should die. He's like, are you okay? He's like, no, give me like 10 years and then I'll be okay. Right, because it's this weird thing. That was not an autobiography right now, I swear. No, we all did it. We all did it. I did not. I never turned my back on Barney, goddammit.
You know, I always bemoan the fact that I never got to grow up with PC games and I missed, you know, Half-Life and all this stuff when it was hot. And now I'm thinking like, I wonder if I am kind of to blame for that because I never had a computer that could play anything. My stepdad had an old Packard Bell that was not powerful, but it would have been able to play. I had a CD-ROM. I should have been able to play Half-Life on it.
But he never trusted me with the computer because he said, oh, it's going to get a virus. It's going to get a virus. Can't put no games on it. It'll get a virus. And then I used to always think of it like, oh man, he didn't know anything about games. It's not going to be a virus. What's wrong with him? But then I realized the first thing I think I did with his computer when I got it, when I was allowed to use it, was I went into Microsoft Paint.
And I made like a triangle like warning symbol thing with a skull on it. And I typed like. Warning, warning, serious virus detected, you know, contact and whatever immediately. And then I made it the desktop wallpaper. And I got home from school and the geek. squad was there and they were like It's a wallpaper. Something you made in paint? Yeah. Look, it was like 1995. This is the greatest prank you can play on a boomer ever.
Oh, boy. The Geek Squad. Do you think your stepdad ever realized when they're like, it's a wallpaper, that it's like, oh, this was a prank, or did he just... No, but he realized that I was, like, screwing with him or something. It was like, well, he can't touch the computer anymore. Out there, yeah. And then he switched it to a Star Wars First Contact Borg screensaver that he bought.
I wonder what the first reaction was when told it was a wallpaper. He was like, okay, and? Maybe I am to blame for that. No, no, no, no, not at all. It's a good break. It's me, hi. Yeah, I'm the problem. It's me. Okay. Games are getting weird again, and I am so excited for that because Dan and I have checked out a demo for 2RT. Tell me about this. I'm so excited. I hope it's good. This starts with one of the best.
opening songs of a game and i realize that's not a common thing in games but all games should have like a sitcom style opening Yeah, the premise of this game is you are a teen. You just turned 13 years old and your arms are permanently stuck in a T-pose like position and that opens you up to a bunch of moments of hilarity and embarrassment.
Like, for instance, your mom has to make you a very special long spoon so you can eat cereal. And how the game works is... or for most of it at least in the demo is you will use both analog sticks to control different appendages in the initial game you were kind of just like using uh your your arms to like
pour a bowl of cereal. So there's also kind of hilarity that ensues because this is from the Katamari guy as well, right? Keita Takahashi? Yes. Keita Takahashi. And this has his DNA all over it, parentheses positive. Because... God, it's so fucking charming and it's so fucking fun. I want to befriend the dog in this game. The dog is so helpful. The dog helps you go to the bathroom because you can't wipe yourself. Wait, what does it do?
The door shuts and you can't, you just kind of press buttons to make bathroom sounds and stuff and then... I can't remember what it does Like a plate of spaghetti? No, I think something more friendly than... The most artful way you could have asked that question, Mike. I appreciate it. I'm getting Octodad vibes from here to show. Okay, I'm going to go rare fuddy-duddy here.
I like Octodad because it's got this kind of goofy physics thing going on with challenges tied around it and everything and I love Katamari. I just love the actual act of the rolling the ball around. And the personality, obviously, and the music. This game, the demo, had the personality. It's got this great song and stuff. It's got this great look and everything.
I just feel like the gameplay itself is very simple in a way that like did not like after like the fourth or fifth little vignette of like Okay, move the analog stick to move your face towards the water. Move the spoon towards your mouth. It's like, okay, I get it. Is this just going to shuffle me from just like...
goofy vignette to vignette without, like, I love that in WarioWare when there's, like, a challenge and a speed to it, and, like, I just feel like the game part of it was not really grabbing me from what I played. I love the tone, love everything. It seems like it'd be good for kids, for sure. It just...
I didn't feel any kind of like gaminess or challenge or anything. Yeah, I wonder if it opens up uh more game elements later because like can you guys describe like just a little bit more what the gameplay actually is so it's like let's say when you're making cereal it's like okay so the box is over here the spoon is over here And so like each analog stick controls an arm. And then like, I think it's the bumpers are like grip. So like.
You move the left arm to the serial, you hit LB to grab the thing, and then you're analog sticking like... pouring the cereal in the bowl.
And then you're doing it. Is that like, as you're doing it, it's like something with one arm, it's affecting the other arm because it's kind of like T-bosing. That's the thing. It's not really like, you know, when I think of like Octodad, it was using the physics and stuff to like, there were real challenges. Like, how do I get this thing over this thing? How do I get over there?
this just feels very, it almost feels like quick time events in a way, where it's just like, now I do the thing with the left arm, and now I'm doing the thing with the right arm, and there's no real, I didn't see any real fail states or anything, I'm just kind of like, Kind of interacting with this kid as he's trying to get serious.
you know it's like i love the concept and everything i just didn't find it that fun to play you know okay yeah it uh and we're all anime experts here but it does feel like a slice of life anime uh type of dealio where you're kind of just like inserted in this kid day. It is stupid charming though. It looks really nice. I accidentally put a hat on my dog and now I just want hats on all dogs to be honest.
Yeah, the demo is pretty light in terms of gameplay. Dan, did you figure out what the coins you were collecting do? Okay. No, I have not. There are definitely other outfits and stuff that you can unlock, but I didn't really play enough to get those. So the game's called Tuity, and it's out May 28th. Does that release date sound right to you? That sounds about right. Yeah, there's currently a demo out on Steam right now, and it's one of those dealios where your progress carries over.
Awesome. Oh, good. Yeah. Do you think you eventually unlock, like, S or P? How do you S pose? He's doing the Egyptian thing. That's offensive. it's not even a week but that's bad um Time to get 25% each, boys. No, people can't see what I was doing with this bottom arm. That was crazy. It was more like a C I was doing. Mike, you were just tutting, right? The hit dance. Okay.
I can't believe this is what takes him down. Oh my god. Oh no, I want to see that. No. It's that channel. No. No. No. What a disappointment. Egyptian dance. Okay, yeah, we'll wait for you to figure out if it's offensive. It's a betrayal. AI says whether Egyptian dance, particularly belly dancing, is offensive is a complex issue with very perspectives. That's not what I bet. So you would all be happier if I was belly dancing.
And that's why I'm continuing to make the argument we should sell crop tops in the
the giant bomb store. Agreed. Agreed. I have heard that that would be a smart idea to make good crop tops for our stuff. Fantastic. Fantastic. Speaking about weird games, um i've been playing a little bit of this not enough to be able to talk about on the podcast but i picked up promise mascot agency i tried that Yeah, it's made by the developers of Paradise Killer, which was like a sleeper hit from a couple years ago, banger of a soundtrack gang.
And from the early bits that I've played of it, it seems like it is kind of like Shenmue in the sense that you were just doing miscellaneous chores in a zootopia like town but instead of animals they're all Mascot for various things.
I was uncompared for, like, I watched the trailer, and it looked like, like, I am a big mark for mascots. I think mascots are just the funniest, greatest thing. And then it's just like, you're driving around, it looks like this, like, open-world, silly delivery game, like, delivering alcohols with mascots and stuff. And I played it. It felt like a visual novel. Yeah.
There was a lot going on. This is where, like, the paths split, where, like, Dan may be less interested, and then, like, the freaking me is like, all right, give me some more text. Yeah, I played, like, 20 minutes on a flight, and I was just like, when does the game start? And I eventually just gave up on it.
Yeah, I'll dig deeper because I kind of want to do a quick look for this. Yeah, I've heard good things about it, but I also heard maybe it's not for me. I mean, it's overwhelmingly positive on stage. People seem to love it. I was like...
trying to like figure out what it was for some trailers i'm like is it like you know a physics thing where you're driving around with these mascots they're bouncing around yeah i also i wonder like when we're when we're saying mascots do you think that's something universally understood do they have mascots in europe surely yeah yeah well yeah mascots that like dress up for football games a man in a suit like is what we're talking about shooting t-shirts out of a cannon
Right. They have a Disneyland in Paris, they know. Yeah, but they don't call them mascots, right? Yeah, that's not, we're talking like a sports team, right? Yeah, yeah. Like that Simpsons where Homer becomes the isotopes. I don't know if football teams have mascots. They have belligerent fans instead. No, like soccer football. The real football. The real football. Yeah. You should, though. Yeah, I know. We should lend them slider, Jeff. Ryan Reynolds. Just a big mascot, Ryan Reynolds.
I feel like I've seen that creepy fry dude in Europe like twice now. Love that dude. Yeah, the Palm Fritz guy. Yeah, the stone fucked up fry dude. Yeah, he's like, give me some fries, man. I love that dude, yeah. Japan has tons of them. Yeah, I was just like, I'm like, I just like want to see some fun mascots. So I just Googled Japanese mascots and I'm not disappointed. It's like, it's incredible. Famous.
European country, Japan. There was a really fucked up poutine guy that I saw in Montreal. His name's Jeff Grubb. Describe this for the audio listeners, please, because I'm normally a big fan of these guys. But what's happening here? Is that a sumo man? He's got like, he's like crying tomatoes. He's got like a hot dog belt. His mouth is like, he's got like a french fry beard.
Um, delicious. Lettuce and cheese are coming out between his eyes and mouth. It looks like nonsense. It looks like the best Canada can do, honestly. Oh, no. How dare you. I'm not hating America right now. Let's go, everybody. Come on. All right. And last game on the docket here, speaking about weird games,
Dan, you've been playing Skin Deep. Yeah, this is a game that I think I have a similar feeling as I did with like Promise Mascot Agency where it's like, no, no, this is more, my problem is more that I suck at this one because like, I heard it was like a funny, immersive sim. That triggered something in my brain where it's like, ooh, I really enjoy Dishonored or The Newer Prey. I think that's really cool. And the idea of that with comedic elements was really cool to me.
And I believe that it's in there. I think that I can see enough of that game. I played maybe a couple hours of it, and you can see, like, all right, it's giving you a bunch of tools and locations and kind of setting up the dominoes where you could make some funny stuff happen. But I suck so much at it because there's definitely a stealth component and I suck at that.
so i feel like nine times out of ten my encounters with enemies would be like oh they see me and i throw pepper in their face and while they're coughing i try to hit them with a stick or jump on them and subdue them you know but like
I think that's a meat problem. I think there's really interesting things like to kill them properly. You have to like take their heads off and like shoot them out of an airlock or throw it in the trash and basically send their heads into outer space to otherwise they will like suck back in and come back to life.
But yeah, all the levels I played were like, you're trying to get these keys and save these cats. And there are definitely a lot of tunnels and stuff where it's like, oh, this soap dispenser thing you can activate and it'll like... cause a cloud of flammable gas and then you can wait for someone to run by it and you can throw a lighter at it and it explodes like it just Seems like all the tools are in place for someone with more patience and skill and stealth mind than me, you know?
I just, myself, just kept getting caught and getting frustrated. I get this. Immersive Sims are definitely the genre that often make me feel like, oh, I'm not creative sometimes. I'm just like doing the most basic stuff every time.
And that's not a great feeling when you're like, oh, obviously there are all these tools here I could be using, but for some reason I'm just not making the leap to use them in the moment. This one has been enabling me to do a little bit more of that just because it's like, wow, pretty clear and I'm a little bit better at stealth so like that has opened up some possibilities for me which I can take my time and I think I just like the way it presents itself as
here are some like really fast quick levels and we're not gonna like put you in a level for forever so uh if you came up with an idea last time we're gonna give you a lot of the same tools this time go ahead and try it on this round instead and that's worked i want to spend some time in skin deep uh just because i just like how the presentation is when you save a cat and it's just Yeah, cool cats for sure. Yeah, this might get me to convert.
to being a cat person or not completely a cat person but like just chill a little bit chill bud Dan, the humor is not, like, a turnoff for you? Because I don't think it's, like, wacky internet humor, but maybe it's adjacent to that. No, it doesn't lean too hard. It's not, you know, like, oh, I can't ask Cheeseburger. It's not that. That's so funny. No, I think that's a thing again with kids, by the way. No, we buried that. We buried Cheeseburger Cat.
i thought we cut off its head and separated it from its body and put it in the desert yeah nope nope we did not bury it it is alive and well yeah because uh what the kids are into now is brain rot and brain rot and uh i can has cheeseburger the venn diagram is almost it was the original skibbity toilet wasn't it when you think about describe that describe that was probably sure uh brain rot sort of is a catch-off uh descriptor for like Basically,
Memes that people, you know, age 6 to like 20 like. So like if you said brain rot to dib, would he know? Yes. 100% is just a phrase the kids know now. He said something about Italian brain rot, which I thought was sick. Yeah, someone in chat just said, I googled it, Italian brain rot is a viral meme. Ballerina, cappuccino, stuff like that. characterized by absurdist humor. This is not very helpful. It's like they all realized
Italian, a lot of Italian ends in like vowels and they're all just sort of doing like, cappuccino, ballerina, up and up. They're just doing real. Is that like when I say the video game Killzone is pronounced? Killzone! Why did I get in trouble for the Egypt thing? Look, look. Honestly, sometimes he'll come home and he'll say something. And you know what? It's funny. It's funny. Okay? It's funny. Sometimes it's funny. A lot of times it's...
it's like eye roll inducing and I'm just like, I'm like, you know what? I'm glad you motherfuckers never going to own a house. No, it's funny like you know I think it comes from... It doesn't come from a bad place. Right? I think it's just that. And it's like. You know?
compared to like what we were doing like it's like oh everyone's gonna go to school and quote austin powers the thing with the kids like i mean it was on kind of like rapid fire for us too but for for for dibs like age group right now it is like four day intervals and it's gone forever we had a good six months of doing crotch chops and suckets right it's all we had yeah i think it went longer than that it did it was a few years actually
And then again in 06 and 09, but yeah. We quoted, we had a freaking ace attorney pet detective, and we were saying, all right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Mike, what was that? Can you repeat that? You conflated Ace Attorney Okay, someone needs to make i think i think that's not right then i finished like nah i got it you could just slip that by huh it scared me i was like
Oh my god, oh god, oh god. Okay, I got this. Podcasting. That first Ace Attorney had a really problematic ending. It's a big problem. Even when I saw that when I was 12, I was like, this ain't gonna happen. I was like, I don't know, yeah. What is my gonna be doing? I'm 13. Edgeworth. Edgeworth is cut.
all right chicken jockey sorry my kids have been saying that non-stop for the last week yeah but we might have to explain to them that that actually isn't a joke but that's not gonna help that's just gonna make no more No, it's not going to help. Because again, like, half the things we were quoting from movies was just like, Jim Carrey said something fun, in a funny way. He said alrighty then, he said smoking. Alrighty then, and that's still harmless.
I don't think kids today will understand the power Jim Carrey in 1994 had. No. But they're exposed to him in Sonic, so that's the onboarding. Sure, but has there ever been an example of an actor in our lifetime that dominated a period of time more than he did? In our lifetime? Specifically,
Specifically 1994 Jim Carrey. Well, like, wait, Will Smith had a real good run there for a bit. Okay, 1994 was Ace Ventura, The Mask, and Dumb and Dumber. And then, like, the next year... was freaking batman forever right so it was just unstoppable for a bit there right now it's the it's the top nothing beats it
uh folks that about does it for game talk uh look forward to a couple more quick looks popping off later this week in the meantime we're gonna go take a quick break and we will be back with the new I feel a yearning. A yearning to sit in some bleachers, drink an alcoholic beverage, and down some glizzies. Perhaps not nine of them, but I also have a yearning for the news.
I also have a yearning to know how much deliver at all costs is, Dan. Yes, I forgot to mention in the quick look and during the conversation earlier that it is free at launch. I saw the chat saying so on the Epic Game Store if you want to check it out.
should be free on epic games for like a week yes i think check it out now seems like good one check out for free that's uh apparently did that before uh so that's that's pretty cool um that they were trying to do that that's like the kind of thing where it's like
Here's a free game that came out a long time ago. I'm like, I'm probably not going to go track down Epic for that, but in this moment where it's free in that first week, where it's like, oh, I should act or else I'm going to lose the chance, that actually does make me more likely to go there and get that. Yes, you should do. Mike Minani, uh...
Randy Pitchford correspondent, can you please tell us what's happening on the streets? Yeah, I was like, you're talking about the Randy Pitchford thing, right? You guys didn't know what I was talking about. Randy may have had his don't you have phones moment here. What was that? That was when everybody was really mad when Blizzard announced Diablo Immortal.
Because they did not announce Diablo 4 yet, and people did not want to film Diablo game. And the guy was like, don't you have phones on? Gotcha, okay. What was the Atomorth-Microsoft deal with it thing? Do you remember that? Yeah, he got kind of reamed for that, and that was a real unfortunate thing.
You know, the whole, like, we have a system for our broke gamers. It's the Xbox One, right? Or the Xbox 360. A lot of people can use more media training, it turns out. So Randy's right. It was interesting that, like, he... this tweet happened a week ago but it's just picking up now where he was like promoting borderlands 4 then some some person just like hey randy this game better not be 80 dollars don't take that risk blah blah blah
And Randy responds, A. Not my call. B. If you're a real fan you'll find a way to make it happen. He starts doing like a whole back in my day I paid $80 for starfly for sega genesis and worked you know five jobs and walked 15 miles and snow you know that thing so um again it's like happened a week ago but everybody's noticing now and they're uh yeah it's getting out there and it's just it's not a it's not a great look let's say
i mean because like 80 price tag we were talking about this somewhere else maybe it was a game last mornings or whatever but it's like every every single one of these 80 games are going to be under even more scrutiny because people are going to be looking for reasons to be like you know tell me why this thing's worth 80 And so if you give them a reason to be mad instead,
that's just going to like poison everything for you. So like these things that could be small or be ignored in other circumstances, In a moment where it's like now you're charging $80 for your game, people are going to make a big stink about it because they're mad. You are bringing the impulse bifurcation as close to zero as possible. And that's not great. And there's something really...
toxic and maybe even problematic about trying to leverage a person's perspective of themselves as a fan with their ability like how much they're gonna pay for something No, true Scotsman would miss out on Borderlands 4. I don't like commenting on anyone's appearance.
or body shaming here oh but but go ahead and do it i'll do it here the photo floating around with this quote of uh if you're a real fan you'll find a way to make it happen someone someone in his camp needs to fucking fix his suits dog like i hate to be the menswear guy on like blue sky and twitter but like Homie, fucking unbun your shit. stop looking i know that he wants to look like a magician but stop looking like a magician john goodman in season four of righteous gemstones
And, like, the thing is, John Goodman pulls that shit off. 100%. He's Randy here. 40 years older than that. Oh, no. He looks like Brother Love. And again, Brother Love pulls that shit off! It's like he doesn't know he's wearing a gimmick. No, he doesn't. Yeah. And he lives it, brother. So, yeah, of course he's not wearing a gimmick. That just is his life. The Bruce Prichard of the games industry. Yeah.
All right, back to body positivity. There we go. Other news. Nintendo has filed a new trademark for Sings. 2007 ds adventure game yo hotel dusk room 215 oh my god so nintendo nintendo filed a new trademark for hotel dusk room 215 in japan which is raising speculation about a potential remake Whenever these trademark things happen, I always point out, sometimes there's just a lawyer sitting in a room going through paperwork and being like,
i should take a look at things we should renew trademarks on it's been it's been a long time and we like have to do that we have to be on top of trademarks because that's one if like you don't use it you lose it so uh a lot of times that's what happens but hotel dusk does feel like one where it's like i bet they wouldn't take the time to do that one unless something was actually happening can you just I'm going to get my hopes up.
uh the game's coming back yeah absolutely i um thank you i hope last windows with it because i never actually played that the sequel so although Because these were the games where you played on your DS like a book, and I really liked that aspect of it. And you can't replicate that on a Switch or whatever, but still. I guess I'll take it.
Yeah, I wonder if they would just, like, do a side-by-side on the horizontal screen. It'd be weird. There's that one puzzle where you had to close the DS, and, like, I didn't realize it, and I was stuck for a very long time. Yeah, I... We should do a, um... some sort of retrospective on that kind of thing because like or like hitting the reset button on x-men on the genesis when they're like you have to reset the machine
in the game that's all they tell you but you're actually reset on your actual genesis to make it uh there's like 10 from metal gear solid we could do between i love that um either way okay so maybe a little bit more smoke here is that Sing, the developer C-I-N-G, has recently worked with Nintendo to bring back some other games, which is its dual collection of another code, and that's another code recollection.
which was two games they released last year, I think. I think those were also... Were those DS games? That was Wii. Wii, okay. Uh, well, either way, they've worked together before to, like, bring some other games back. There's a possibility here that maybe this is just Hotel Dusk. Those are DS games, my bad. So, yep, they're also DS.
all right so yeah there's some evidence here that they've done this process before with the studio with one of their games so i think it's worth getting your hopes up for at least a re-release a new hotel desk we'll have to see another update the first another code was ds the second one was we so okay there we go so both right yeah All right, we've got a whole parade of Nintendo stuff here, and then we'll get into some Sony news after that. Nintendo tap.
samsung to make switch to chips and a move that could ramp up production really this is just notable for two reasons one by going with samsung as opposed to what everyone else does which is TSMC, the Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturing company. Everyone else kind of does their chips for them because they do have the best technology.
by going with samsung they are probably going to be first in line have most of that production capability dedicated to the switch 2 which is why because of this people are predicting they're going to have 20 million units by march of 2026. they should be able to get to that huge number pretty easily because of that. Also, Samsung's technology being a little bit behind does indicate here that there is a lot of room for an improved Switch 2 at some point.
So if people are the kind of people that are waiting on the sideline because you're like, I know they're going to do a Switch 2 upgrade or one with a better screen or an OLED. i think an oled with a smaller nanometer process all that matters is it's more efficient so it'd have better battery life that's all anyone needs to know about that
That seems very likely at this point. If you want to wait on the sideline until there's a ton of Switch 2 games and you're going to get an even better version, I bet that happens within two, two and a half, three years before we get something like that. Alright, Nintendo confirms previously expected Switch 2 feature won't be available at launch in its early documentation. Nintendo said the Switch 2 would support VRR variable refresh rate on TVs, on displays, when it's docked.
they have removed all references to that and have confirmed that that feature will not be in the switch to at launch When asked if it would come later, they said we have nothing to announce. So maybe they could update it. There are some concerns with the way that the dock actually works. Some of the components that are in there can't handle VRR for some reason.
That seems possible. So maybe it never comes to the docked situation. It does still work in handheld mode. So this is like the equivalent of G-Sync or FreeSync, if those are terms that are more familiar to you. basically just makes your screen update at the same rate as your GPU. So the tearing and the jittering that you get from a lot of games running at bad frame rates isn't quite as bad. In fact, it's significantly improved.
Um, i don't know do you guys do any of you guys even know if your tvs support vr i think mine does but it's just like every time i go into an options menu now there's an ever increasing amount of features that i don't know if i'm supposed to turn on or not it's like frame generation FreeSync, I just don't know what's good, what's bad, what's taxing, what's for lower-end computers, what's for higher-end computers. I have no fucking idea.
I just keep thinking of the Indian movie or Bollywood movie from a couple years ago. but that's rrr oh yeah that's universally good yes yes one more refresh yep um yeah so i i like vrr is one if like you can support it or if you do have you should use it it's it's pretty cool
But a lot of times on TVs, like you turn on one option and it makes another option that doesn't work because it's like HDMI 2.0 or whatever. So it's like, you can't have, 4k with dolby vision and vr are on at the same time it's like why the hell not but then it's like i i think it was doom or something i was trying to play recently and it's like you know okay ultra performance performance uh balance quality i get that and then like above quality there was like
DLAA or something, and it's like, is that better than quality? Because that's, like, I don't know what that is. Yeah, it's very confusing. It is silly that all these years Everyone, all those menus just assume like everyone's a developer. Yeah. For the longest time. It's like, you know what SLR3v2 is, right? Oh no, just V1. Sorry. You're out of date. it's crazy i agree and it's now yeah it's a real thing now yeah it's um
Yeah, those graphics options have gotten kind of out of hand. But, you know, frame generation, if you're on a high refresh rate monitor, you should use that. I think it's pretty cool. What's high refresh rate? It's 60 high or not high enough. Anything about 60 pretty much. Yeah. probably 120 and above would be really good if you're getting those kinds of frames anyhow if you're getting like 60
60 to 90 turn on frame generation you can get 145. Is there ever a reason to not have like DLSS on? Because my understanding is that it's just something that like oh it can allow like lower end computers to run things at decent frame rates but if I have a higher end computer Do I turn on DLSS still or does that degrade the quality? Well, no, if you're using DLSS in quality mode, you're going to have an image quality that is basically indistinguishable from running a native 4K.
Sometimes it's even better because it's using data. from a 16k version of that game that's the way they at least did it at the beginning it might be different now but they would just train the way the game should look at 16k and so it has all this like like metadata about what it needs to do to get to that point
And it can sometimes take stuff from like a 1080p image and reproduce it in a way that's even better than native 4K sometimes. You know, one day I bought Starflight for Sega Genesis for $80 and it just worked. I had to wait for an update or worry about this. Alright, Nintendo will be attending Gamescom 2025.
That's, you know, I guess maybe I'm asking this because are you guys ready to go back to Gamescom? I think it might be the same time as The Gathering, so we'll see. Okay, well, obviously I'll keep our priorities straight there, yeah. I'm up for either. Nintendo, I think, will be at the Gathering of the Juggalos as well, I'm sure, though. So, that'll be fine. Um...
Nintendo wasn't at Gamescom last year. They'll be here this year. Obviously, they got a Switch 2 to sell. So, I guess the other question would be... Do you think as we get later into the year, Nintendo does have any other, like, one more game left for 2025? Do you think it could just be Metroid, right? There will be at least one exciting thing, I think, that is coming out at home.
I don't know if it's Mario time yet. I think maybe next year is Mario time. They're going to have Pokemon ZA Legends or whatever for long. No. I mean, in my brain it's not, so it doesn't count. Yeah. It's very big man. Not anymore. It's like 1998. No, it's arguably one of their biggest things. No one's heard of it.
Pikachu's a bigger mouse than Mickey Mouse sometimes. They won't hurt you if like every month I tell you how many more copies Pokemon Legends EA sells than Donkey Kong Bonanza. Well, I believe it. I just don't care. Now wait a second first it's not real now you don't care what what other mental gymnastics do you perform to keep perfect Dan world going the Riker DNA is strong in my brain that being said i would love to go back to gamescom I would too. Gamescom, if you're listening.
i'll go to gamescom i wouldn't want to do like we did gamescom straight to london i came home for three days and then went to seattle and at the end of that i was feeling kind of rough i did all that but right before that i was also in japan No, right after that I went to Japan. Yeah.
Didn't you guys, like, watch wrestling in London or something? Yeah, I went to Wembley, yeah. Way back from Gamescom. They're all fantastic trips and I wouldn't change it, but it was a lot of travel. You wouldn't change anything about the Germany trip, Mike. Huh? Even your racist outbursts? Oh, give me a break, racist outbursts. I was more talking about how a woman's form is similar to a soda bottle. There were numerous things that led to him being banged.
about her format olives but the colors of her clothes are being misconstrued in here how could it ever be red that way mike right exactly it was red it was just a red dress It just reminded me of a Coca-Cola bottle. Look, we'll have Bailey on the dump truck. We'll hash this out once and for all, I'm sure.
Red Dead Redemption 2 is reportedly coming to Switch 2 as Take-Two commits to Nintendo. There it is, Red, right there. That's a game that looks like a Coke bottle. Take-Two committing to the Nintendo Switch.
Switch 2. That sounds great. That obviously doesn't mean GTA 6. It means everything else, right? GTA 6 is not going to run on Switch. No shot. Is there any world in which some Rockstar Social Club thing will let my PC save of Red Dead 2 go to Switch? Because I do want to keep going with that at some point. That sounds like something that does. I would like that. Yeah. I've been meaning to go back to that once there's a lull.
yeah i think that that would probably make a lot of sense i'm just glad that i have dan on Team Red Dead Redemption 2 is good now. I mean, I... I'm not suddenly, you know, waving the flag. I think he says it's a good game. I think he still has a lot of, like, issues. All of my frustrations stand still. I'm just, like, I've made peace with it in a way that I wasn't at launch, you know?
And I do enjoy it more than I enjoyed it at launch. You admit it's a good game. That's the important thing. It's a well-made game. It's very... Yes. We'll see. I think really this is just indicative of a lot of third parties being like, we should at least be testing the waters with the Switch 2 to see how things do.
I- third party games will probably do better on Switch too than they even- did on switch one right just at least out of the gate i would think so um because yes so many of them are just gonna run really well but the switch one there are a lot of ports that weren't great even sometimes then they would still sell well like mortal kombat 11 right did really well on the switch even though the game looked like ass on there and here that Shouldn't be a problem.
I'm just going to be curious to see which of these right away do well. You can see Cyberpunk, especially. Cyberpunk's going to crush. Cyberpunk's going to probably do very well. I hope Hitman gets a little bit more juicier, but Split Fiction immediately does very well also. So it's going to be interesting to see. Just how quickly those floodgates open. Like, I'm almost a little bit surprised it's not more right away at launch, even though it is a pretty good amount.
Yep. Yeah, I think a lot of developers are probably like, man, had we been here for this launch, we probably would get a lot of shine. And I think the ones that are going to be there are going to do very well. Um, Alright, so let's shift over to some... Well, God, I'm not doing that on purpose. Let's shift over to news from ShiftUp. Stellar Blade sequel quietly revealed by developer ShiftUp. Stellar Blade has sold over 1 million units, and ShiftUp...
may have already revealed plans for a sequel. The developer's recent presentation hinted at Stellar Blade 2. slated for release before 2027 alongside a pc release and platform expansion for the original game so we're going to do a lot of stuff with that i start that stellar blade game i played about i don't three or four hours i thought it was pretty okay it was pretty okay indeed yeah yeah quite a bit of fun so i'm
once this PC version hits, I'm probably gonna really play it on there, and then I'll be ready for a sequel. Sure, why not? I want more character action games to just keep thriving over there. while everyone else seems to be moving in the direction of FromSoft. I'm very happy about that. I love FromSoft and FromSoft-style games. But character action games should not be deprecated because of that. So I'm glad Shift Up is keeping it alive. It's a lot of work.
to uh look cool in a souls game but in a character action game like this you just look you just can't help it yeah yeah I'm still a little weirded out by Starblade. I, like, do like it, right? But there's... It's not even... Even though it's out... of, you know, that discourse that happened, which was mostly stupid. I can ignore it.
There is still something just- When I look at this game, I look at this character, it's still a little weird, I have to admit. I look at this character, I look at this game, and I have no problems. I'm definitely with you, Mike, where it's like, okay, like it's so in your face. But I mean, I'm so used to that from games for my entire life that I built up this thing where it's like,
I'm just going to put that over there. That doesn't matter. Whatever. They're being egregious about it. That's a video game. No, it's fine. I played plenty of ASX. Anyhow, I'm sorry for even bringing this discourse up again. I guess there's something if... it's the weird way that the king doesn't act like this character is uh like the most beautiful person in the world that is the weird part about it i suppose i don't know yeah there's not like that laura croft level of like
mild self-awareness and winking at the camera even i don't know no there's there's absolutely zero self-awareness you're right that's that's this this is them being like this is what video game characters should look like and not acknowledging way yeah here's my pitch they should call the sequel stellar blades and have a stylized two as an Okay. I'm okay with that. Thank you. Thank you.
Uh, alright, so that was a, uh... game that was you know exclusive to ps5 for a little bit so let's get over some other playstation and sony news bungie pulls marathon gameplay after art plagiarism plagiarism storm and says it's reviewing all art so Things have kind of gone south for Bungie in a pretty hard way since all this marathon stuff happened. First, the game was received.
Cooley like I mean look like yeah, just like there was a cool reception is what I'm trying to get hot Cool is better than Luke warm, right? Because lukewarm means it's kind of cool. No one likes lukewarm stuff, though. Like a cool thing, like a cool ice cream thing, which is good. Yeah, lukewarm is always like, yeah. Okay, well, that's the noise I think people were making for Marathon. Room temp, room temp. That works, that works. I mean, but wait, people like rooms to be room temp.
People are nonplussed about the negative of them. There we go Uh, either way. Uh, people were not happy or... Listen, they weren't disgusted by Marathon, but no one seemed that excited about it. Then... Uh, there was, uh, this problem with the art or someone, an artist on a blue sky.
was like, hey, it looks like they're using art that I made several years ago, and here are several elements that I put in there as signatures, including the comic loss from Control-Alt-Delete, as evidence that this is my stuff. And Bungie was like, yes. You're right. We have stolen your art. We apologize when we're taking it out and we're going to do a full review of all of the art in the game.
And while this is happening, people are also hearing that this is destroying morale at Bungie, a place where morale was already pretty low. Because now this is all people are talking about. No one's really talking about the game itself. And when people do talk about the game, they often say something like, oh, yeah, but I'm going to play Ark Raiders instead. That looks like fun. And this is a game that has to do well for Bungie.
just has to that's where they're at so this is rough it's so rough with these free to play free to play live service games this game's gonna cost 40 it's it's hard because people do just kind of look for a reason to not have to care because they can be big time investments they can be big monetary investments and there's already so many games like this you can just play fortnite like you know a concord it's like the moment people are like
the narrative of oh this is this looks like you know a poor clone of guardians of the galaxy well that took off and it became a joke and i was like yeah and you know people when people play that game like yeah the game's not that bad but i don't know the vibes are off
and this feels like you know the test being received kind of not lukewarm whatever we said is one thing but now like the stolen art thing bad vibes reports of the culture and like just like again everybody there feeling kind of weird
it's just you hear marathon right now and you're not thinking about excitement even like you know i always thought that this game was probably gonna do well because it's a bungee and shooting in a bungee game feels so good even that isn't really giving it much juice people like yeah i guess I guess this shooting feels good, but you're not doing a ton of it and it doesn't feel as good as maybe you would hope for a Bungie game. It seems like we're maybe...
Maybe I'm overreacting. We kind of maybe are approaching a disaster here. Yeah, like, I like the art style and I've really liked, you know, the feel of Bungie games and, you know, from Halo to Destiny and everything, but, like... When I see it's PvP, it's like, well, I'm just not interested I'll try it, but I am not interested. I never played The Crucible. It's even a weird PvP thing, because this was the first time I played an instruction shooter when I did it.
so i don't know i guess i thought they would be more fun but i was just running around weird picking junk up fighting a lot of kind of easy battles against computer opponents and there'd maybe be one team fight and around you know and that's gonna go however that's gonna go and then it's over and i'm supposed to do it again and i just you know did not get the loop oh yeah that's i was trying to think of which ones i've actually played and like exoprimal was one right
No. It's not? Okay, then what... I don't think it's an extraction shooter. What extraction shooter would I play? Tarkov. You probably have not played an extraction shooter. Did you play... What was the Call of Duty one called? Was that the DMZ mode? Yes. Yeah, I think I tried that once or twice. I was like, I don't enjoy this. Yeah, that would be the one. You probably haven't played Hunter... What's that called? Yeah, I know, but we're-
I was legit getting that set up on my fucking parsec machine the other day so that we could play Hunter the Reckoning. What the hell? Hunt Showdown? Hunt Showdown. Yeah, that's the one. So those are like the big ones. That and Tarkov. So you're probably not. Probably have not played them.
There was one other thing. A former artist, I think, I think they worked as an artist. At least they claim to be on social media with saying things like, as a former Bungie employee who's worked on Marathon, I feel for those still at the studio. but working with engineering and marathon leadership was extremely toxic and humiliating. I won't speak about the rest, but Bungie leadership needs to be gutted completely. It's like...
Can we corroborate exactly what this person is saying? Not necessarily, but this is the conversation that is happening around this game instead of, hey, what about that marathon? It's just a huge uphill climb for a game that just cannot afford to have an uphill climb. Everything has to be going in its way for Bungie to kind of keep operating as it is, and this does not feel like that's what's happening. Does going free-to-play at launch help it at all? It won't help.
I don't think so. Maybe a little bit, but... Maybe, but it just sounds like as an extraction shooter, that would be a hard thing to pull. so and gosh i forget where i saw this but i saw floating around there maybe this isn't true at all like but for marathon to be considered a success has to be one of the top five best selling games of the year or something like that and like oh
don't know about that but it feels like a tough thing to pull off uh correct me please there's absolutely no single player you're constantly driving in a squad for you right right right and it's like this thing where it's like maybe when they greenlit this game at the time it made sense because it seemed like extraction shooter was just
gonna be like a fortnight thing where the battle royales are taking off and there's gonna maybe be five of those that make a lot of money so let's be one of the extraction shooters that makes a lot of money and maybe that pool is even smaller than that battle royale pool was and you're also still coming at it
Too late. Um... but like what happens if this game doesn't do well it's not like they can just pivot and make a destiny three because that is going to be such a hard thing to do this is the pivot like this is that this is the pivot Yeah, I think we're in the moment of the pivot, right? Because Bungie has also pulled away from doing Destiny updates the way it was doing for Destiny 2. It pivoted away from that and they're doing more frequent ones, but they're smaller.
So overall, there's less content. They're trying to like still make it feel like it's alive. And that's something that they're, maybe they're pulling that off. Maybe they're not. but it's not like turning Destiny 2 into some big thing again. And then it's like, okay, well, while we're doing that, let's get marathon ready, and that'll kind of pick up the torch and carry us forward. The reality is, what I've heard is,
If these two things do not do as well as they possibly can for Bungie, Bungie's in a lot of trouble. What exactly that means, I mean, I think... i think sony playstation studios maybe kind of brings it more into the fold and takes it over completely in some ways which i don't know maybe long term that could help i have no idea
I'm seeing now, real quick, I didn't realize that Ark Raiders was made by the same team or similar team as the folks that made the finals, and now I'm even more interested in it. I didn't realize that either. Yeah, that's... Yes, Embark, but I can't remember the guy. He was the former chief technology officer at EA. He came up through DICE. and was i think he's like primarily one of the people primarily responsible for the frostbite engine
And he's the guy that made the choice that all EA games have to use the Frostbite engine because they own that engine. So it's very funny that he got to leave and go work and make a game in the Unreal Engine instead. And everyone at EA got stuck with his decision. But yeah.
So there's a lot of like, strong like technology like our technology technological background at that studio because it's a lot of like former dice swedish devs that just know that technology backward and forward so their games will look cool and can play really good i'm excited to check out arc rate The finals had one of the best grappling hooks. That's a good one. uh all right sticking with playstation for a couple more stories here neil druckman is working on a second
unannounced game at Naughty Dog. Okay, buddy. Yeah, well, exactly. Neil Druckmann revealed he is working on a second unannounced project on Naughty Dog in addition to Intergalactic. confirming the studio is developing multiple games. Despite past struggles with managing multiple large-scale projects simultaneously, Naughty Dog now has several directors on Intergalactic and Druckmann is taking a producer role on another game.
basically just said that he's going to be mentoring and producing on this one he's kind of you know the way miyamoto kind of oversees zelda still from like way far away no Miyamoto but he's definitely trying to take that role and that lines up with what I've you know kind of expected and kind of heard from him the way he's talking to me he sounds like he does not have another
long-term game that he is fully responsible for directing in him yeah he's like you know how quick you can make a season of prestige television yeah exactly i think he's got a taste of that and he's like this pays really well and it was way easier and like when i mess things up there isn't like a concerted effort of people trying to track me down they just go complain on message boards over there so it's like it's gotta look pretty appealing but this is
probably last of us part three because even if he's not directing that they definitely have to attach his name to it and they definitely have to get kind of going on that by now right i i think it's uncharted oh i would prefer an uncharted at this point I would prefer you or something new. Dear me, Jack, and Daxter again. It's just not happening, Jan. Please! I said please! Oh, well, this is the real world. You know? Nuts.
i think it's uncharted because like that would be one where it's like sure i can like oversee some other people actually making that game uh there was also that time when uncharted was maybe gonna get taken over by another studio at playstation and and then uh naughty dog stepped in like no thanks we want to do that so there is still some desire to have uncharted be overseen by naughty dog and this would make this sounds like the way to do it to me but
I don't know. Have any of y'all been watching the newest season of The Last of Us show? No, I haven't watched any season. Neither have I. I can't do it. I can't watch it.
people love it but I just can't do it I've just noticed a very vast difference in opinions versus games media people and then just like general media people covering people reacting because i'm curious people in like you know that just normally only cover gay or not games uh movies tv shows and stuff they're all very positive on it they like it a lot they like it a lot while a lot of uh people in games media are like kind of very down on it That's probably like the people who have like...
played those games versus the people that haven't. You think that's what that is? I can assume that's what it might be. Man, I know some people doing some fucked up timeline with this stuff, man. They're like, well, I played the first one. I watched the second season. Then I'm going to go back and play the second game. I'm like, hey, whatever. You do you, you little freak. I'm not going to tell you.
But, but, so, Jen, you're saying you noticed that, like, games media people are less hot on it, is what you're saying. More critical. Yeah, more, more critical, and, yeah, yeah, picking up. Someone in capacity, though, hates things. Are they, like... Is it a criticism that like... I think Chris... Go ahead, sorry. No, you go ahead. Is the criticism more like, oh, it is off from the scale of like a prestige television show or is it a failure to adapt to their liking like
What is exactly the criticism coming from? I think it's more so the latter in that it's like a failure to adapt the existing source material. And I mean, like, gang, you know, it's completely different timelines where you can only cover so much in a seven to eight season. uh of a show versus like a 30 40 hour game um so i i i don't know if it's a game of trying to please too many masters or Perhaps games media people may not like TV.
Yeah. I don't. Yeah. There's some nitpicking that probably that is probably just happening because the people have an idea of the way it should go. Yeah. It's like what happened with like Lord of the Rings, right? Yeah. Who are like, no, this isn't my Lord of the Rings. Where's Tom Bombadil? Everyone should just watch the rehearsal. Just watch that. Yeah, for sure. But I've not met a normie who has seen The Last of Us on HBO and been like, meh.
Like, universal acclaim from the normies. You know, but the normies, like, we're still halfway through season two, right? Season two over. No, one episode left, I think. Oh, yeah, that's like the thing happens right away. What do you mean? No, the thing thing, like from 2, the game? Yeah. Yes, we know what the thing is. Oh, the thing, okay. I don't know they got there on the show. Yeah. That happened pretty early in the game, Dan, remember?
Oh, they're in game two now at this point. People love, people could, I mean, to see people pop from that. from only absorbing the narrative through the TV show has been very enjoyable. I'm not saying that the normies that are watching the TV show are... Any less toxic than... Say it, they're beneath you. They're beneath you. No, no, no, no, no. They're not even people. What I'm saying is when The Last of Us 2 came out and then the thing happened and then...
the internet was digesting the character of Abby from The Last of Us Part II. There was nothing but vitriol and venom. for what felt like years even though it was like a couple months of discourse here the thing happens and everyone's like man i really like caitlin deaver she's great Oh, so there's not the backlash against it? Yeah, because the gamers were very mad about that. There is, but it's more so people are like, oh, I'm sad that actors may not come back. Oh, sure. Yeah, but the TV
You don't have to play as the woman. That's the difference there. In the video game, they're like, I have to play as a girl now. You also had to do that in the first game. Without looking, what year was Uncharted 4? Go. Oh, wait, um, 20... Probably 16, I know, because it was the year Overwatch came out.
What? I said 2016. It's 2016. That's the year Overwatch came out, and I was very conflicted because I liked both those games a lot, and I had to pick a game of the year. God, Overwatch 4 is so good. I can't believe it's almost 10 years. That is wild. insane because that game still looks there we go oh i reviewed it i gave it five stars nine years to the day almost nine years to the day that is banana i always say it's underrated somehow i think uncharted flag it's really good
i maintain 2016 is the year that video game graphics ended like that's the year where it's like it doesn't need to be any better than this and all the developers like yeah we agree because if it gets better than this it's just going to be more expensive and that's it that's the only difference was this the one that Jeff Keighley took Kanye West to play?
I think it was. I don't remember that at all. Is that where he blamed George Bush for killing black people? No, that's Hurricane Katrina. No, this is the E3 where everyone found out Keeley was taking Kanye around and took him into the Sony thing. And so once that got tweeted out... outside, because it was right across from our war room, and every fucking games media person on the planet crowded around outside the Sony room to see Kanye West and Jeff Keogh.
2016 might have been the same year that Kanye West should have ended. Yeah, probably. They did in a lot of ways. All right. Jade Raymond has left Haven Studios, the PlayStation-owned studio that she founded. They were making fair games that once had a dollar sign at the end of its word. Now they've changed that to just an S. Smart. Because they're cowards. They don't believe in what they're doing over there.
so we don't really know exactly what happened here but there is a bit of a timeline that has caused some speculation uh this game had some like external tests done in recent weeks And then she left the studio a few weeks later. Oh, okay. So people are trying to put two and two together there. It's like, maybe Sony's not happy with this game that, you know, it bought the studio for.
And maybe she's leaving because she's like, okay, well, maybe you do want different leadership. Here you go. Jade Raymond is, you know, she worked at Stadia. I never shipped a game there. She has not shipped a game since like. Assassin's Creed Brotherhood or something like that? I remember she came to Game Informer back then. She was with Splinter Cell Conviction, so I don't know if she was actually on that or just kind of representing it. Yeah, totally.
um so yeah and this is just weird but like fair games what do we think the fate of that is boy we're not sure about marathon um look and these games can somehow be a big surprise hit if they come out and people Really fall in love with them. They're actually good games. All that stuff. Fair game seems to have a lot going against it. Yeah. I guess.
Do you guys have, like when I say fair games, does anything come to mind? Do you like see any screenshots or gameplay? It reminds me, for some reason I keep thinking of Radical Heights every time you say Fair Games. It doesn't look like Radical Heights, but it is what I think of when I hear Fair Games. It's the dollar sign. It's the dollar sign, I think. What was the other Lawbreakers? Okay, I'm sorry. Lawbreakers. God, man, lawbreakers. Lawbreakers, wow. We should study lawbreakers.
Why did Sony think it was a good idea to make, like, three or four of the same game? Well, that was their whole strategy now, because, you know, for a while the strategy was, Uncharted 2 was a big hit, let's just kind of make all of our games like that. And that worked for a while, but those games keep getting more and more expensive to make, and the returns aren't that great. And all the real money was being made by Fortnite.
so the strategy was now let's just make a lot of live service games and then some of those are going to hit and that's going to pay for everything else it seemed like a bad idea but at the start hell divers 2 came out was a pretty big hit it's like okay here we go and then concord was such a flop that it like undid the goodwill of out divers 2 and then some And, you know, then the stuff's getting canceled, like the Last of Us factions.
so you know desperate for money is why they're doing it uh and it was just kind of a shotgun blast let's see which of these hit but the bullets seem like duds in the chamber right now Isn't it just insane? And I feel like... Everyone sort of knows this but maybe doesn't say it out loud where like these three to seven ten year roadmap decisions get made at a time where like you can't make that decision because you don't know what is going to happen
Next month, let alone the next decade. I would normally agree, but I disagree in the case of the next news story, which I'm fine waiting for. Well, I think on an individual developer's case, it's not such a problem. Like, so when Hideo Kojima says his next espionage game, Phyzzant, is five to six years away, it's like, yeah, you probably should make another one of those. And this is his, like,
I'm very much going back to Metal Gear. And that's not the business I'm describing. Jim Ryan in charge of PlayStation, going to all his heads of departments and saying, let's come up with a plan for what the future PlayStation is going to be. so we can grow it beyond where we are. You're like, okay, well, let's keep everything that we have the way it is.
the new strategy is well this trend of live service games looks like it's really good let's throw everything into that and then by the time they execute on it here we are five to seven years later and it looks absurd It looks completely, and it's like that's gaming's biggest problem right now is, well, there's a lot of big problems, but one of its biggest problems right now is it's really hard to plan for the future because we are a fickle audience.
it does tend to spend a lot of money but uh there's no guarantee that you're going to be able to capture that even if you put all of your best efforts into it and make a good game like say a concord And meanwhile like the games that actually are hits is the French Inspired by JRPG's turn-based game with... Single-player. There's too many of those!
Right, but when it was incepted, I'm sure it was like, oh, we got a gamble here. There's a risk here. Yeah, those are people that were sick of doing stuff.
like we're describing at Ubisoft it's impossible it takes too long to make a game you know people will be like well why doesn't other you know like movies and TV have the same issue because you can do that so much quicker and like there's a there's a novelty aspect of games where it's like it's software plus art right like you have to have both those things and that makes it a little bit more challenging than
let's just tell a good story and if we tell a good story we'll be all right like you tell a good story in games you have to do a lot of other things right as well i was gonna ask has there been any consideration uh on if any of these games are fun to play Yeah, I mean... Yeah, I don't know. I think that they are, uh, putting there's a lot of things they're trying to consider i'm sure that's one thing that a lot of people working on those games do care deeply about
But, you know, there maybe is an equal emphasis put on, hey, what's the business model? And maybe that's a distraction. Maybe that's a problem. I kind of want to take all of you and police lineup style. Play the trailers without any logos for Concord. What was that, Ubisoft? X Defiance, or the other one? Sure, let's throw X Defiance on Watch Dogs 2. Let's throw some fun ones. but like five second clips from these things where it's like we should be able to know if this was like
That would be a good thing. Concord would be easy because it's all like crazy aliens and stuff. But if you show just like a clip of gameplay, I might not know if it's fair. I might sneak in some Zootopia in there, guys. Okay. Just for my kids. Is it the newest colony scene? From Zootopia, the nudist colony. Yeah, there's a nudist colony in Zootopia. The animals don't wear clothes in that one.
Either way, Vincent's coming out in five to six years, according to Hideo Kojima. He's done a pretty good job at, like, sticking to around that time frame for his games now. I mean, you know, we don't have a large sample size between Death Stranding and Death Stranding 2, but five to six years seems to be something he can stick to. I mean, the Metal Gear tended to be about three years apart. It was like 98, 01, 04, and 08.
And then Bigger Captain for 5. But yeah, Death Stranding is a bit more spaced out. How much of a real game is his Xbox? weird project no idea yeah I don't know there was that leaked thing a while ago of just like and it looked like you were just selecting options? No, no, there was a fucking, remember that leaked, like, iPad thing where there's, like, in the reflection you could see, like, some dude in his boxers, like, watching this?
and it was like Margaret Qualley walking around with a flashlight and it was clearly like a survival horror thing. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, okay, yes, yes. That leaked and that was out there for a little bit and it looked like a real survival horror type thing. Okay, all right, well maybe it's a real game. he's making that as well that that's got to come out between now and fizzing though so
I want him to keep making games. I like his games. As part of this, he talked about like, hey, would you ever do a movie? He's like, yeah, maybe someday I would direct a movie. It's like clearly he's still just focused. Yes, a movie that he says would be like an homage to cinema. would be Mike really liked that where he was like on the Columbia set and like it's like oh I'm gonna bring in cinematic elements to my game
He's talking about his notebook full of ideas that he's going to give to his studio after he dies. So that they can do nothing but make his ideas. Because no one else has ideas. He has the best ones to be there. And then Kojima has a USB stick. With game ideas that he's going to give to his studio after he dies because he doesn't want Kojima Productions to fall into disrepair without his big brain.
Uh, again, Mike likes that. Did you not see the next story, Mike? I didn't know I was on this list. That's actually the last story. There was one out between that. We'll go back around. Just admit he sucks a little bit. These games are good. I refuse to. He sucks in a way that I love. Yeah, sure. I want to get on board with this, Mike. I think it's about time that you and I colluded on something. Yeah. I feel like we're like the always sunny bunch and now we have to like
go against the other people here. It's a five-vote system now, so Jay, I'm just going to come down to you and say whether or not he sucks. A little bit. Just a little bit. We cannot vote on opinions, number one. We're not It's a coward's way out, number one. Number two, like...
Yeah, Mike, I'm with you. There is something inherently kind of annoying about him. It's getting annoying. It was cute for a long time, and sometimes it wasn't cute, like, but the whole quiet has to be naked because she's a plant thing. Right, so now you lost me. I don't even know what the fuck that is about you. You are ashamed of your words indeed.
Yeah, so it's just sometimes sometimes he kind of sucks and I just think games would be worse without I'm not saying we should cancel him. He could keep making games and they're probably gonna be good but we don't he doesn't have to come out and like step in shit and shove it our face and we all have to be like ah this is great too it's all great if he couldn't back it up it would be obnoxious but he's
I wanted to hear more of Bacalar. Yeah, because the irony of Mike You know, saying we shouldn't worship false idols. this bitch loves false idols yeah yeah he prays to the mouse does he not um Which is an inherently contradictory sort of philosophy that you maintain, so you don't have to just deal with that on your own time. Yeah, I'm with you. Like, look, I agree with what you said, Grubb. Without him, games would be a much worse place.
a much less weird place. The thing I like about him the most is that everything is just so weird. And the fact that the weirdness permeated mainstream gaming in such a way, I think a lot of that is to be celebrated. At the same time, this whole, like, I am video games is very annoying. And I don't like that. Okay, okay, all right, all right. Here's a reach here, and this is where I stand on the subject of Kojima. I think Kojima is the Tom Cruise of video games.
Go on. I get it. Yes, I get it. Go on. I want you to unpack this. Where he is annoying and like there are things of like, okay, yeah, we get it. You stand for cinema. You stand for this. But Tom Cruise is movies. Yes.
true. I would argue Tom Cruise has more movies than Kojima has more video games. We're forgetting the other thing recently where he, like, was talking about how great the early reviews, like the internal reviews, pedestrian into our It was like bemoaning it like I feel like I maybe failed as a creator cuz too many people like this Mike Mike don't you see this is the best thing you have to offer is this.
I'm eating this up. I'm subscribing. I'm going to runtimebomb.com slash join. This is amazing. I love this for you. I was so excited when I got to tell Mike the sentence he said about his movie was going to be an homage to cinema because I knew it was just like bad. Because it's insane. It's like a movie. No one should gaze their navel in a way. Everybody know would say that. Yeah.
there's tarantino syndrome all over my man for sure it would be like a parody of tarantino yes more than i like tarantino and i like tarantino i think the tarantino comparison is great because tarantino makes a lot of very good stuff And I also think he kind of sucks a lot. I think Terry Gino seems way more insufferable than Kojima. Like, if I was in a room with Tarantino, I'd probably be so annoyed so quickly with Kojima. It's like, hell yeah, that's Kojima.
Is this blasphemous to be like, you know what? It's such a stupid analogy. Okay, anyway. Is this blasphemous to say that, like, uh... i don't understand everything kojima does but i'll let him cook in the same way that i don't understand everything david lynch did and i'll let him cook yeah but that's a disservice to david lynch i think david lynch fucking more hardcore. Kojima would love that you just compared with David Lynch. That's definitely what he's going for. Um, I think...
Like for me, you know your four-hour cutscenes and all like the navel gazing is just too much It's too much to bear. I just can't do it Um, I, I, I don't want to travel that far inside of anyone's asshole. And, um, I just, I'm not, skimming of assholes please i want to you know rub up on the surface you know who else is getting up there other than like kojima druckman maybe but like
at surface level. I think we do kind of crave these idols for lack of a better word for sure right you know we have miyamoto and that's one of them for sure and like we have people who are desperate To have that themselves, kind of like a Randy Pitchford, right? And it's just, it's not gonna happen. Who also has USB stick?
Give me a family you know talk about a nice fucking guy shit that's the ideal right this guy that clearly does have the chops and then it's also just nice and fun and has a sense of humor about himself clearly always taking those pictures with him at the coffee and
he's like yes i really like twin peaks i'm not gonna hide it here it is i was trying to make stuff like that it's like yeah this is a down-to-earth guy i love that sam like just shows up everywhere yeah he's the best he's the best good dude what a dude
Um, oh, Sven from Larian, also a good callout. Cool fit. Yeah, I think that's when we're going to become more and more of a name. Like, right, I bet they're going to really cook with whatever that follow-up to Boulders Gate 3 is. And then Jack Stinch says Tommy Tallarico, of course. I don't even know that, bitch. What's happening? Why am I blind? I'm blocked. I don't know you motherfuckers. I do to you bitch.
Injustice 3 could be in development according to a multiverse data miner. Probably. NetherRealm has done two Mortal Kombats in a row. For a while there, they were alternating. So they probably retreat back to Injustice 3, let Mortal Kombat sit on the side for a little bit, and then go back to Mortal Kombat. That just kind of lines up. Mortal Kombat 1, I think, did well, but there was kind of like...
Almost infinite growth of Mortal Kombat where they kept getting bigger for a while and 11 did really really well yes and then it plateaued and it plateaued a bit with one and some of the decisions they made they weren't super well received by people
So, yeah, like, we don't need to jump right back into Mortal Kombat again. Go ahead, do Injustice. Those games were very popular. It's kind of been a surprisingly long amount of time, because, again, they did do two Mortal Kombats, and where one was Injustice.
2017. I got so bummed both times they announced Injustices because it's like, oh, that means it's going to be so long for Mortal Kombat and I don't care about Injustice. Well, you got two in a row now, so here you go. Take three. One for me, one for you. All right, that does it for the headlines. Jan, the show's back over to you. We're going to go take a quick break and we will be back with some emails right after this.
These are the... bombcastagiantbomb.com is the email address to send your emails to and now i can read them again so thank you for all of that Uh, random shouts out to Chuck Towski. Just, uh, just cause here's, here's like a, you know, Chuck, here's 35 podcast points. I fuck with Chuck. Whoa. Yeah. That's all. We're paying him with podcast points.
I mean, that's all we're getting, all of us are getting paid in those for now, anyhow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm losing dollars in a while. Yeah. As well as the coasts ever sponsored the Gathering of the Juggalos. Because they can do magic, the gathering of the juggalos. Actually, you know there was a Venn diagram there. I'll get in touch with someone. Maybe we can make that happen. Will you go to the gathering then?
Mike, have you done research on The Gathering? I haven't done research yet. You said you were going to research. so like so you guys are doing this running gag for a while and there's probably it's like i need to put my foot down this is like a start of a new relationship with us and i gotta make it clear like You know, if I say no, that means no. That's kind of right. And then, like, before anything even happened, Dan, very sincerely, was like,
oh, Michael, if you really don't want to do it, it's fine. I'll drop it. And I was like, yeah, I don't want to. They're like, yeah, me and Jeff might still go, though. And I was like, immediately. Well, not without me. I'd rather
you're somewhat interested I would implore you to look it up and I watched several videos of people that like don't know juggalo stuff that showed up and know what's this all about and it's like everyone's super welcoming and nice and everything like yeah it's gonna be a crazy environment I'm gonna do some research interesting and nice
Everyone send your positive juggalo stories and video clips to Mike Minotti. There's going to be a wrestling bear. I know Willie Mack. He'll protect us. You know, like... It's like a three or four hour drive from where I... I googled mapped it already. It's like... I would be outside Columbus, I'm guessing.
We can just hop in the minivan and just go out. And stream the drive out to the gathering. Fuck yeah. Do a Mike Tyson run. So I fly to Grubb's house and then we take a road trip. So we fly to Cleveland and then we go to the gathering. Alright, okay. I feel like Backlars is not even acknowledging when we talk about this. Backlars doesn't say anything. What the heck?
Backyard, can we put like some incentive on one of these things where if we reach a certain threshold, you have to go to the juggalos? I'm sorry, I'm bears. I'm just being business Dracula at the moment. Forgive me. Okay, that's what it is. All right. He's just pretending. Yeah, I'm pretending. You're right. I've got the mortal up on my fucking... What is this? No. He turned out so hard. Me and Jan are going to fly out to Cleveland.
We're all going to do a road trip down to the gathering of Juggalos, and we will do a hell of a, like a feature length, maybe, the documentary travelogue of us. at the gathering. It'll be an homage to cinema. I'm going to be Mike McQuanchy, so we'll have the Quanchy makeup. Grub will be...
And I'll just be straight up juggalo and we will infiltrate the gathering the juggalos We'll do the bomb cast from there. We'll do voicemail dump truck live. We'll just have juggalos ask us questions We're doing giant bomb from the gathering To be determined. We're running with the hatchet now, Bacalarso. We only need three votes, Bacalarso. No, we need thousands and thousands of dollars. That's your problem. It's not his problem anymore! It's all of our problems!
We got the votes. We can probably, if we can do this, we got the votes. That bit sucks. I love it. That bit sucks, by the way. We can get a sponsorship from Faygo. Do we think that bit sucks? Let's vote. The bits suck, yeah. I vote the bits suck. I don't know. I've only seen The Gathering through the lens of very disappointing and upsetting documentaries. Sure. And I just feel like...
I'll just correct the record. Yeah, like Vice went there one year and was like, oh, buddy, you ain't seen nothing yet. Let's run a chat poll. If it came down to, hey, we're either going to Gamescom or the Gathering of Juggalos, what would our audience that we serve prefer? Because we listen to you, folks. You're a guy. Yeah, I just want to send you, Dan, by yourself. Well, I need you in the film.
I got to end the last poll. The last poll, by the way, is who is pooping? That was from the first break. 15% said baccalaure, 3% said baccalaure, 4% said baccalaure, and 77% said baccalaure. All right. Well, no, I wasn't. I don't poop afternoon. Everyone knows that. If anyone from the Juggalos is watching, we'll do the... I'm truck on stage. We will do it on stage at the gathering. Giant Bomb at the gathering. I'm glad you booked us. Yeah, I mean, Jan, you would go? See, here's the thing.
What a confident yes. No, no, no. Here's the thing. I love how we're asking for Mike if he's okay with it, and then it's just an assumption that I'm just going. Damn his name for shit. Damn his name for shit. We've established the mic as a travel baby. Jan is gay. I think I'm just gay for shit because it's the only option sometimes. You have the cameras. You have agency here. Don't do an option now.
Don't change things now. Say no, Jan. Jan, I went to tailgating in Philly with you and it was a delight. We got it. That's true. Well, that's actually not that different. What do Jekyllos eat? Food! Apples, nothing but apples. It's nothing but fun, okay? Oh, man. The Gathering's out to an early, largely... Yeah, dude! We're listening to the audience. It's growing.
Running on Twitch. Twitch will have our backs. Twitch is a Gamescom crowd. VGC will cover Gamescom. You'll get the news. We need to go talk to clowns. Hey, Mike, if it helps, I can send you a video where at the, uh, 22nd mark, there's something that appeals to you. Is it a Mickey Mouse? No. Is that a Mega Man? Is that a Mickey Mouse? It's not a Mega Man. What if we can convince the Juggalos to let Mike perform the gamer rap?
Yeah! I mean, I do have one degree of separation from the actual Insane Clown Posse. I could talk to Willie Mack and get us in touch. You could get in contact with Violet and Jay. I could pretty easily contact with Insane Clown Posse. here's the thing it's like the trip that really matters to me that i need to do is to see the penguin Tolkoto at the El Paso Zoo. I'm absolutely going through that.
So I gotta make sure that happens, and I'll pay my own way to go to this fucking zoo to see my penguin child. that i'm very excited about i can post pictures of it now by the way i think it's got a clear uh book of health yes yes tokoto the penguin penguins rule too i'm so happy it's a penguin that's been named after me Well, think about how many little jugglets could be named to all code if you go to the Gathering of the Juggalos. It's true.
I was going to say I'm a little concerned that I don't see as many brown people, but I guess a lot of people are wearing makeup, so I don't know. That's right. That's what it is. I had a brown friend that was into ICP. That's the first person I knew who was in the ICP. His name was Mattoon. Okay. And introduced me to all of it. I'm looking up who's playing at... Okay, so... Who's playing? Oh, the only ones announced so far for the legendary stage are the Insane Clown Posse.
Oh, they're going to be there? And, uh... Weegee Mac, he's a magician. Some call him a magician, others... Oh my God. Crazy. I don't know guys. Maybe in my twenties. This is like 29, right? This is too goddamn fun. We have to do it. I think talking about it is way funnier than it'll be more excellent. I disagree. It's in Ohio. It's in Ohio. Bacalar, what are your thoughts, Mrs. Dracula? I mean, you know what I think. Are you pro this? No. Are you pro this? Like, I don't think this would be good.
For our website? I think if you want to go, I think I'd watch it. At least give me a Jan. And also, it's in Ohio, so they're already right there. i'm gonna go here what do you mean right there we have the votes i know a three-hour drive for someone in ohio is nothing yeah so mike grub jen and dan yeah so me and jen We do all the fucking week's content from there. You can do it quickly. Okay, now wait a second. Let's back up a bit. Here's timeline an afternoon, maybe
We're going to stay for a week. It's August 13th to August 17th. That's too many days. We're not going for the whole thing. Staying on like the juggalo campus or whatever like in a tent. Wait, I will stay in a tent. We will befriend Juggalos and stay in their tents. I will absolutely not. Oh my god, it's the 25th anniversary. Their tents. Is it a circus tent? We will find one. Hey, I'm... Grub you first.
I googled Juggalo Campus and the first thing was a reddit post. Have any Juggalos attended college? CLOUD COLLEGE! I'm just going to say this. Based off of the parts of the internet that we all appeal to, I feel like we'd be some high rollers over there. I think we'd be welcome with open arms. I mean, I can legit reach out to them. And see if they want to have us do like a live podcast. PUSH THEM! The clowns!
Think about it. You could do an acoustic version of sending the quans. Why can't we go to Hellfest? Why is that not a thing? Because this is way funnier. That's true. Thank you. These are the emails for the show. You just have to see the vision. I promise it'll be good. Oh, I see the vision. I just don't want to put on the glasses. He hates the vision. All right, sometimes...
Fargo fun. We'll go nuts at the gathering. This is not Fargo, buddy. This could be better than Fargo. This could be better than Fargo. This is not Fargo. It's Faygo. Very good job. Like, I heard it. Thank you. Okay? Thank you. Yeah, you know what I'll go Yes, it's happening! Can I reach out to the Juggalos? You can reach out to the Jokalos. What do you mean reach out to the Jokalos? Remind me reach out to insane clown posse.
Email the insane clown party is a very fun idea. I will. I fucking will. I don't know what you're expecting to hear back. They don't even have a lot of announced acts and stuff. They do comedians. Let's see if they want to have us do the voicemail dump truck live. Oh no. Oh Jesus Christ. Q&A style juggalos. Our second lost episode. I think that's the kind of news we don't want to be making, man.
All right, our first email comes from Tonka. Good afternoon, Duders. Tonka Toy from Gloucester, England, here to say our annual cheese rolling festival is upon us this coming Monday. YouTube it. and was wondering if dan likes cheese so much would he chase a wheel of double glochester down a steep hill i show speed entered last year and it ended up in the hospital
Oh my god. Also, is there any weird annual traditions in your area which you could partake in? Many thanks. Love you a long time. Yeah, the gathering of the juggle. No, I would just buy cheese at the store like a normal person. Okay, you wouldn't roll after it. No, that sounds dangerous. This is like what I want to do. I want to go to the cheese festival. I'll do that too. Send me everywhere with Jan. I would love that.
Yeah, this is, we're going to have a badanza of a time. Yeah. I'm in one of those small towns they have, like, you know, like, For the holidays, like Memorial Day, we have parades. But all the parade is, is we get all the kids and, like, Little League teams to walk together. And then a bunch of, like, every fire truck in town goes and blares their sirens. And we're like, this is a good time. This is nice. I'm glad we shut down the roads for this.
Yeah, that's what we pay taxes for. Parades. Firetruck parades. This whole gathering of the Juggalos has taken a long, long time. So we're just going to breeze through some emails. I have an email address for the clowns. That was fast. I hope we do a voicemail dump truck behind the chicken wire from Blues Brothers. Oh boy. That's good. Oh, they're smart businessmen. If you get the ICP VIP experience, if you buy it.
You get a VIP experience laminated pass, an ICP cartoon amulet, an ice hatchet man cooling towel, and a six inch hatchet man magnet. They're fucking monetizing their magnet bit. Yeah, of course. Why is it a six-inch magnet? I don't know, but it's the magnets-how-do-they-work thing. They've monetized that. Of course. These clowns. They know what they're doing. There are no clowns.
Wow. I think I intro'd Grub this podcast as a clown. And here we are at the Gathering of the Juggalos. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I got more breaking news here Thursday night. We have to be there at least because there's the Faygo Armageddon. It allows you to come on stage during the climactic conclusion of ICP's performance on Thursday night.
to partake in the childlike euphoria of Faygo Armageddon. If you have never experienced the chaotic Faygo-fueled madness of hundreds upon hundreds of Faygo bottles being sprayed in all directions during the finale of ICP's show, here's your chance. Each ninja that purchases the Faygo Armageddon will also get a gift bag with a Faygo amulet. Back away from that one don't worry about it There's a big arm again Saturday night, too. Okay. So we can go to either side.
What are they doing? I think it just connected the dots there. Mikey, what if Faygo Armageddon is like that one episode of Rescue Rangers where it's all soda? You know the Soda Cult? Ninjas. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Why would a white rapper want to use the word ninja? Instead of... I'm not going. Yo, somebody tell me you got that. Somebody tell me you got the most purest. that was like Winnie the Pooh doing something bad no
It took me a second when I got there. I've never actually heard an ICP song, so... So good. They're not the only white rappers that do that. A lot of them do. Really? Yeah. It's more businessman, huh, Dan? Okay. That's like a carny carny rest again God damn it! Okay. All these other emails are very serious. They have fresh drinking water at bottle fill stations. That's great. We're not going to talk about the Juggalos anymore for a bit. Or Clouds! Or Faco! you're on clown cool down
Okay. So funny. Second and last email of the show because of timing and just the length of all the other emails are very serious. uh thank you everyone for the love that you're showing um let's see uh the bathroom fabric that looks like a loop is not a loop It's a long towel, kind of like an overhead projector. Old people know.
Yeah, but why does it... Okay, I'm sorry, finish it. Imagine you could use a cloth towel in a public bathroom and be confident that it has never been used by another person. That is what the cloth track provide.
a long towel is removed and washed regularly if you get to the end of the track it must it must be reset after removing and washing it don't you use your head don't be a dan yeah wait well that tracks but also where was this where was this from again we talked about this last time because they used to be at like schools and i saw one recently at a bar and my brother was confused and just immediately ripped it apart thinking it was like you know
hand towels that he should throw away. And then they had to go get normal air dryers so it's just like a comically long towel yeah i guess i didn't know that i thought i thought it was a very short towel that was getting reused constantly but don't you think that there's okay i guess i thought it was a shorter towel too too but i my assumption now is A lot of places don't actually wash it. They just turn it back or whatever. When are you the most clean, though? After you've lost your hands.
Fair, alright. Well, it depends when some people wash their hands. Like, what step of the activities, you know? Well, I don't think people are coming in wiping their hands on the towel and then washing their hands. Yeah, but someone might not wash their hands but got a little trickle on their fingers and wiped it off on the towel. Sure. It's a risk. It's a bathroom. all right well dan's not talking because all he can think about is
I'm looking at the Faygo Armageddon. Let him do his thing. Let him do his thing. He's fine. He's fine. Jan, wait. Jan, after this goes off the air, can we have a bonus post-live thing where we watch the commercial for this year's gathering? Yeah, I guess so. Okay. I'm excited. We'll all watch it together. Okay. Alright. bombcastandgiantbomb.com is the email address to send your emails to we normally read all of your emails or at least a good chunk of them but uh we were sidetracked today
But send them in anyway. I love them. And if you want to shout someone out specifically, I will try and relay that info to the proper parties. What do we got going on the rest of this week, boys? We have hoping to find time to record a demo derby. What the hell is that? Yes, hopefully a demo derby going up this week. We got Bailey on the dump truck. We're going to be mosquitoes for UPF. There is a...
asymmetric Mr. Mosquito-like that's coming out called The Mosquito Gang that we're going to play one versus four on Friday. Morning mess. What am I missing here? not much yeah like we're gonna get a couple more quick looks into the can where there's a bunch of games we want to do those for so yeah plenty of stuff happening um as we like go
Oh, yeah, Black Club. As we go forward, we'll be doing more fun, some random stuff, like maybe some streams during the day. Right now, we are still figuring a lot of stuff out and kind of figuring out what we can do with the capacity that we have. So look forward to more. yeah yeah uh in the meantime 707 exit flow is the phone number to send your voicemails to you can i don't know calling about Daily or whatever you want. Perhaps.
Uh, gang, that about wraps it up for the show. If you're watching live, I guess stay tuned because we'll go watch the Gathering of the Juggalos video. Yes. But until then, gang, he's been Mike, he's been Dan, he's been Jeff, he's been Jeff, I've been Dan, and you went home! Chardbomb.com slash We need the monies, please. Time off. Go. Send us to the Gathering! It's called Gathering, Paul. We lost people. I think we start talking about it more. All right.