874: Gravy Train

Hey everybody, It's Tuesday, January twenty first, twenty twenty five.

Welcome to the Giant BombCast, Episode eight hundred and seventy four. I am your host, Jen Ochoa.

I also have zero fear up in this house, joining me co captain of the Ship.

He's strutting into the podcast actively. He's got a fantastic mask on and he's yelling at the top of his longs jeegrun.

I am just saying that logically, every person who knows about Persona does know about Metal g but not everyone that knows about metal Gear knows about Persona. So if you just think about it.

That's right, that's right. And he uh, joining us as always bad boy of games media playboy pog slammer my Minati.

Who it's me. It's Mike Minaughty. I'm doing great. Nobody was mean to me on the internet lately.

How about you, Jeff?

Shoot, no, dang it. No, they definitely are.

Man in the podcast world. He is not in Ray Mysterio Shadow. We have turn Riker. Yeah, he get people mad at you.

Yeah, I'm just I'd be myself usually.

Really Yeah, all right, you seem worse for wear.

Yeah, li'sten I'm all right, yeah, it's pretty easy to toune now, Like I wasn't even think about it, and then my brought it up. Really, I'm mad at Mike.

Possibly because I don't mind people do it to me. I get very upset when these fucking shots. Sorry, but I really don't like them do their thing with Jeff. So sorry.

Mike's very protective of his boy and I, but he touches my gravy train.

I mean, my best friend.

I have a question. What is a gravy train?

Is that like when people you're in the money, but what is it? Okay, yes, but excellent point. What was it before we started using it as like you know.

Okay, it's like a sushi boat thing right, like where it's like, now here comes the gravy train to grab the gravy white while it's here.

It's gravy from the gravy capital of the world wherever that is via train literally, and when it comes in it's a big deal because it's like, oh, we're going to sell the gravy.

It would be.

No, no, I don't think so.

I wanted to be well in the way that we're using it today. Dan, it's a metaphor. That's the way correct. I understand that, right, but the etymology of it.

The last time I heard that term was I had just started the WAE and I had to call Scott Hall to get him ready for a we're gonna have him and Nash on the podcast because they're gonna put the nWo in the Hall of Fame. And I called He's like, I'm gonna tell you right away. I fucking hate podcasts. I don't want to do this fucking podcast. Only reason I'm doing it is because they're gonna put

Oh yeah, funny enough. That's what we all say to each other before starting any podcast, right, it's the gravy train. I now want to start an American food chain like Greb said, where it's sushi boats, but it's just a gravy train.

Yeah yeah, just a little toy trains going around with like you know, overflowing gravy.

Like do you have like bread and as the boats you can dip and then you don't even have to worry about the gravy as it goes right.

And then it's like you can't you physically could not double dip. I suppose you could double dip into the next solve double dipping.

Yes, I don't care about double dipping. I'm fine by now.

And you know what, I don't really care that much either, but I care enough when I'm around other people. I am impressed that you don't care. At your house when people are around, You're like, no, I'm double dipping. This is my stuff.

But I've never thought about double dipping.

I think as long as you say, hey, I'm gonna double dip, then that's fine. Yeah, like the unsolicited double dip to the universe. Yeah, hey, is this.

An actual Phoenix down moment? Or does everybody else never realize this? Because uh so, I was thinking about Tony Hawk a lot, specifically Tony Hawk's Underground and the bad guy in that game is named Eric Sparrow, And only like yesterday I realized those are two birds deemed last names.

I did not get that either.

It is one of those things where it's like, I definitely you have realized it multiple times in my life because I keep forgetting it's like, oh yeah you do, Eric Sparrow, So this last time, no, I was aware.

I mean I didn't get miles per hour until I was working a game Informer and Tim Terurry made a reference to it.

Yeah, I was like, thirty, See I got that one because the cartoon brought it up. Specifically, you need.

To bring things up otherwise it's hard to understand that.

Yeah, sure, yeah, that's that's what we do on podcasts. We do nothing but bring things up.

Yeah, it's just it's a bring things up mechanism. It's the whole thing.

Yeah, we're not yes ending here, we're bring things up in yeah yeah, yes and then pivoting. By the way, what's that final Fantasy seven rebirth concert?

Did I ask for what you guys were doing yet?

Yeah, we're not there yet.

That No, I just I didn't realize that was unstructure of this show.

Do you know that I always saw people just started bringing ship up.

I didn't realize that. Like a first, I was, yes, what do we do this type he does?

If he doesn't he doesn't want to yes, and us. But he's gonna bring things up all the time. I was always talk about it.

Why are you gonna change this? Talk about it? Just talking? Yeah, it was great and.

That's actually the jingle premiering. Uh, Mike, I'm sorry for cutting you off. I now apologize you do you? I never feel free to bring stuff up.

Didn't Chris Bnadi get in a fight? What?

No?

Something?

It was fun. Chris was on something. But it's it's so funny on something. No, not like medically.

Creationally. Yeah, it being my two brothers tripp to Cleveland. It's so funny with them because you know, like to that. To me, it's like, yes, it's fun. To them, it's like, oh my god, I'm getting away from the kids. Like you know, they love their kids, but it's very exciting to have them come up and ask, you know, for a glass of water or for fifteen other things every two minutes, so they get very excited. We went to a teeki bar first in Cleveland called Porko, which by incredible,

He thought that was very.

Funny, very excited about wiener Art. They disappeared for a bit and he came back and he was wearing like a Gandolf the gray hat with the restaurant's logo on it.

And we're like, hey, Chris, that's interesting. He's like hah yeah.

Then everyone's like especially because it's free ha, Like like Chris, why is it? That's a joking. Later we're walking to the concert, he doesn't get like, Chris, did you steal this hat? He was like, yes I did, oh yeah, But he's like, look I tried to buy it and there's nobody there.

Doesn't mean you, I know, court in the land, Jan would convict this man.

All right. I mean, Chris Manati is an angel as far as I'm concerned.

I wonder if he wants me to share the story. Jeff asked, how was it going?

Did you see the headlines? Just says the Manati brothers got into a fight. So now that's all it's gonna be about.

Man, that is not.

No.

We we just laughed at him a lot. He was getting having a good time. It's fine, have you I know you haven't. No, I don't think so. I don't think so. Chris was the one who was like athletic, but he has even less of a killer instinct than the rest of us, so he didn't get too far.

Sporting killer, I think is one way to put it.

Yeah, yeah, right, So, yeah.

Mike, out of your three brothers, who is the muscle.

I mean, I guess Chris, which is the problem because it's, you know, a sweet boy. He would have heard a fly, but he's definitely has the most muscle.

Are you the brains or are you the heart? I'm the goober, Yeah, the one most important? Yeah, goo guys somewhere.

I didn't mean to start the podcast on a damper bike. Kind of need a Googer transplant.

Oh sorry, buddy, I got extra.

Turkey.

Yeah, what what is AJ? Then Mike.

The order brother, he's the he's the driver. He loves the dry.

All right, another important organ.

Yeah, he's mostly he's the most responsible one, kind of annoyingly. He loves following the rules, and Jeff knows that I love following the rules, right, Yeah, yeah, I think Dan learned this too recently. A j loves the rules so much, gets gets very anxious if we start breaking them up.

Bit.

Luckily, he had also been drinking, so he mostly found Chris's theft funny. But yeah, shout out to my brothers. We had a good time at the foul Fancy Civic.

Culture where so music was good.

Yeah, so I would be clear at this Fall Fantasy seven concert, we stole nothing.

Okay, you would never steal from the Square Inex Corporation.

No, no, no, the restaurant that you know charges you twenty bucks for a beer or whatever.

That's fine, but yeah, go live? Yeah, uh are you fucking me off?

Jeff? Are you really mad about the theft.

Oh is that what? Oh?

No, no, Yeah, the concert was fantastic.

It was just specifically songs from Seven Rebirth.

They played my favorite, that's that fight's song with the Valkyrie in it, just like you know, flowed really well. They do the thing where they play all these montage from the game, which the you know, it's like you know that means cutscenes, but a lot of times it just means the battle stuff without the UI. I'm like, man, this fight system looks so good. I would have played more fancy seven Rebirth or Remaker, hopefully that third one

God constantly thinking of mel Gibson.

I'm constantly thinking of me. The Schwartz be with you.

Yeah.

Yeah, concert was fantastic. We just had a great trip in Cleveland in general. I know, Jeff, you're doing some some some some family stuff. Oh you had a good time though. Yeah.

Yeah.

It was the kid's birthdays. We did some stuff like that. It was a good time. Yeah. Yeah. We just got a bunch of presents and got Dan's weather became our weather. So it was getting cold, and it's gotten colder.

Is it negative thirty three, because that's what it was last night?

Is that the real feel?

Or actually the shoot was negative eighteen? The fields like negative.

We are getting there. We're getting pretty close. We're like negative nine right now. And uh and it's supposed to get colder, like they canceled school today and tomorrow because of the of the cold.

But what did I actually say instead of mel Brooks?

I'm sorry mel Gibson.

Yeah, I was wondering you always, and then were.

Bringing up base balls, and I was like, I had spent a long time since the host baseballs, But I don't remember mel Gibson in that.

That's funny. Sorry, Jeff continued, No, it's all right.

It was fun. We had We had cake and pie and other various frivolities.

It was a good time, lovely, lovely.

Uh.

I guess this is kind of related to playing. But yo, I went to a top golf over the weekend to celebrate a friend's birthday. We should go, Oh, yes, we should go.

It's just a good time, right, I would do that.

Yeah, I had no idea that they had games, and yeah, they have sonic, they have angry birds. I'm terrible at it, but I eventually got the hand of it. Good time, Good time. Also, it's a fun little mini game to try and hit the person driving the little cart around collecting all the ball.

That is an incredibly like It's just like when they put one of those flies on the inside of a yarnal to try to get guys to aim better. It's that for golf.

Are they protected, like do they have helmets and stuff they get there's like a cage.

Oh okay, okay, I wouldn't want to, Like, I'm not.

Trying to murder something.

I don't do that.

No, of course not. I j.

Bod I yes, I just like got so spiffy in there. And you have like, you know, a waiter, and it's just like you're playing these these fun games and you're you know, drinking. Every once a while a nice person comes up and asks you want more food or to drink. It's just very pleasant.

It is very pleasant.

It's the ideal form of golf. I think, yes, oh absolutely.

Also, you know, I kind of this is just me being foofye doofy, But like I take an issue with golf courses taking up so much land, but like a driving range that's perfectly for exactly.

Yeah, yeah, you put that like they're just gonna put it in the parking lot that's already there, which is something that's happening not too far from me. So I'm pretty excited.

To tell you.

Yeah, there's already one in Cleveland on the other side.

Yeah, the other side of the city. Yeah.

Yeah, it's been there. It's very nice. We get time there. I definitely want to go back.

Yeah, but I think we'd have a ball of a time. Is that the phrase balls? But the thing that they bring out of my mouth the mood down is the people that go to top golf and take everything too seriously.

Yeah, it's funny people take even that seriously. That's incredible pop golf. Yeah, there are a lot of there. You know the floor we were at, because it's I guess most top golfs are like at least three floors. The floor we were on several other birthdays celebrating, but then like two groups next to us on either flanking our party, they all brought their own clubs, and like it's eleven o'clock in the morning, people are already getting a little a little bit buzzed, and I'm like, y'all, y'all are

They would be destructive to the top golf. Actually, yeah, I've never been. Can you walk me through? Like, so you go there and they'll like just give you a set of clubs? Do you have to rent them? Like how do they work?

There's like a set of clubs, like just like how bowling balls are to the side at a bowling alley, and like they have the whole range that they got drivers woods, nine irons to like whatever is the lowest number of irons. And then they have two specific clubs for for top golf itself, which are just like bigger driver clubs. And then yeah, you just take turns, can you.

If it's a driving range, why would you go with like a lower club, Well.

The driving range, you could practice any shot you want for a closer one, ok.

Yeah yeah, yeah exactly, because you know they'll have targets across the field for like you know, distance and stuff, but they also have some closer targets in case you're trying to work on your different swings now. But the I don't understand the tech of it, and I'm assuming each individual golf ball has some type of tracker on it.

Yeah, they all have some kind of yeah exactly hire thing or whatever, because.

It's insane how like I will miss the ball and I don't know where it went, and then like I'll look at the screen below me of like, oh, it's tracking it, and like, oh, it went over there.

That's cool.

But the Angry Birds implementation, it's like kind of goofy, but it is very fun.

I was gonna ask, is there a thing like when you get a strike or a spare and bowling and there's like a fun like you know, anthropomorphic pins being you know, acting out of skit.

Is there anything like that?

There should be?

I really love that noise.

I watch animations like that for fun in my free time.

Yeah, that's my anime.

The top Golf is all the other sports too, right, Like I want like baseball dry like like batty cage version of golf, giant dart boards, like like human sized dart boards.

Basketball thing. We're all just trying to make three point shots.

Right, yeah. Gun, Oh my god, I would let y'all, uh yeah, gun human dart me like via catapult like mysterio. No. I would wear like a velcrow suit and let y'all like jump on a catapult to launch me onto like a dartboard. I was.

We went to a a thing like it was the last fourth of July. I can't remember, but they had like a kid's play area and one of the things was put on a velcrow suit and get launched up at a wall.

Yeah.

And I waited a line for a long time. I actually met a giant bomb fan in that in that line, and uh, and just got the kid in there and just basically just tossed her at a wall. She had a great time, loved to.

Did the GB fan bring their own velcro suit?

No? No, they weren't taking it quite as seriously as sum. There was definitely some people getting very competitive. Yeah.

How's everything else going, gents? How we had a long weekend? Yeah? Yeah, I feel rested.

It was necessary. Yeah, I don't know if I feel rustic. So it's like one of those things where I'm like I let things pile up over the holidays so bad that I'm like still kind of unburying myself from that, and it's causing like stress, so I feel like, oh, if I try to relax, I feel bad. So trying to get over that hump. But the three day we can helped with that. A lot of that stuff is mostly taken care of. So yeah, feeling good.

I had a day that was very I guess busy technically, but very relaxing, and that they readed the tow up the carpet and put some new floors in here, so I had to come in here and like take everything

Yeah that's great. I like everybody gets rid of carpet for hardwood floor.

I have a room in my house that has like a hard floor that I desperately want carpet in, and I feel like I'm some kind of weirdo.

Carpet's an old thing now. I feel like people don't like carpet anymore. I mean, like, but when you're looking for houses and stuff, it's always like, yeah, like real estate people are always like, oh, this is all hardwood, this is allems. Like you can tear up the carpet, you know, Like I think, like generally, why I.

Feel like a freak, Like why if I like, still you are, yeah, you are, You're a pervert. Carpet's gross. Yeah.

People always put a rug on the hardwood floor, which I have, and but this one back here I just put down recently and it's so cozy and company the kids came and like play on it. So yeah, I'm like, you still get the benefit of like a nice.

So I don't want to talk about that anymore.

I wish that I like college football more because gosh, Ohio State, he is winning things just right, Like gosh, I love all these other sports, but all the it's always teams that lose all the time. Why don't I just become an L s U fan, then I could be happy when they do things like when yeah.

Is it is it like because you know Youngstown or where'd you go to school?

You sound y s U?

Yeah team, but.

It was a different division.

No, no, of course, right. But it's like you guys were just like just out of the orbit of Central Ohio enough that you guys maybe weren't in.

It of people here, who are you fans? I'm always surprised.

I don't know.

I think I just kind of like don't respect college football.

Yeah, because they are they are getting paid, so they aren't people. In Mike's opinion, there's always a little bit of it.

It's like, oh, yeah, taking this really serious, right, It's like I'm not going to the high school football game too, but whatever, right, Like it's fine.

Uh yeah, I don't know.

I guess I just rather get invested in the pro stuff, even though the Browns are freaking terrible, but whatever, go Bucks. I guess.

I lived right by the football stadium. It was where my apartment was, and so Saturday, I think was game day, and every Saturday I would fucking wake up hung over because Friday night I'm out all night and I sleep, don't set an alarm, and then I wake up. I'll know it's football season because I wake up to a formation of fucking jets flying over my apartment. I'm thinking I'm getting bombed every Saturday morning.

Terrible, Yes, Jesus, yeah, yeah. How many times in your lives you have? Have you, guys thought I think we might be getting bombed a.

Lot because I live Because I live in California, I feel like, you know, I'm closer than everyone else.

That's the thing that saves me is that I'm like, wait, oh, buddy, what's to bomb this place?

When I was in Colorado, I wasn't far from Colorado Colorado Springs, which is like strategically super important for a lot of stuff. It's like where the Air Force is based. And so there's definitely times where I would like hear something like that is not a normal jet, and I would look up and it's like, oh, that is a stealth bomber. But I wouldn't think we were getting bombed, like they're going to bomb somebody. All right, cool, we're.

Good zero for me. I've never thought that you have thought it?

No, just about it. I thought you said you just don't getting bombed. It just woke you just said in the story.

Oh, because basically, shoot jetter flying over my house and I was hungover. I didn't know I was discobopulated, So you thought you were getting bombed, I was saying for comedic effect, I didn't shoot think I was getting bombed.

Mike, you lied to me anyway.

I Uh. I was at a at an album release party on Friday, and I was feeling socially awkward. So I went into the kitchen of the place and my friend was there because he was working the kitchen, and then he just offers like, hey, jan you want some jungle juice?

No.

Then I'm like, where where do you have this jungle juice stored? Friend? And he opens up the fridge and it's a walking fridge, pulls out a giant vat, he gets a comically large whisk to whisk it and then, oh, boy.

I don't know it's been a while speaking about hangover.

You don't you don't want to ever clear and that he said that there was too much tequila in it.

Uh, and it was masked by all of the fruit juices. Yeah, yeah, that sounds rough.

It's great.

Anyway, whatever, happened to tilaquilas in the cabinet, I think, Okay, I wouldn't put it past.

Oh yeah, yeah, hey, speaking about descending back into madness. I didn't get a chance to play too many things over the break, but you know what I did see. You know what I did play the game of witnessing people. Go google Gaga for Pokemon cards.

Oh, we were at a shoot store.

Yeah, what was the venue?

A Costco?

Okay, so there's two kinds of sickos, Pokemon sicicos and Costco sicicos.

Right, people have graduated from being like Target store stands to Costco stands. It's very weird to see the production. Do you think it's the Costco guys. I don't know if it's related to the Costco guys. Yeah yeah, they're

I mean, I am curious, like when you realized what was happening, So keep keep going with that in mind.

I was looking at like because they were long boxes, and then I was thinking like, Okay, this isn't food, this isn't clothing because why would people go to Costco and like line up for clothing? And there were no samples of course, so I'm like, all right, what are they? And then I started looking at the fucking nerds and I'm like, this can only be for one thing. This can only be for one thing.

And then like.

They was.

It was a stink line like.

A Golden Idol scene.

Barber Jan talking about the new hat that Pokemon or Pikachu has or whatever.

Yeah, they form a line, they queue up, and then the first person in line there's a giant stack like a palette of Pokemon cards, right, and I noticed that what it is and he is I this whole stack from top to bottom, trying to like jenga Jenga piece which one which two boxes he's gonna fucking take, and then everyone behind him is groaning and yelling at him.

Yeah, I know, I've been many fun though. But he said it was a one fifty one set. I'm like, oh, that sounds pretty nice actually, but he was.

He was insane because so many people had camped out afterwards and gone to the food court, taken up all the tables, not eating anything, taking up so much space for the people that are like trying to like have a quick snack or meal with their family, and they're like ripping open these cards.

And just trying to wait to go home.

Huh, couldn't even wait to go home. And then and then I saw a guy that I recognized that was early in the queue come back around to uh to check out, and then they told him like, no, man, you can't, you can't buy them. You were a hit your two two boxes per limit, and he was freaking out. Oh no, he was causing a scene.

Hell yeah, the average around.

My age mid thirties, right, yeah, mid thirties.

So is this a nostalgia play?

Yeah, definitely, Yeah, yeah. I think I think of the people that you're describing as they sound healthy and normal.

Yeah, yeah, I will say I did see a couple vapes afterwards, of people carrying their Pokemon cards and vaping afterwards.

I'm just not smoking cigarettes, so yeah, help, Hey, things are going great across the board. What the hell?

Anyways, I felt like I should get a part time job at Costco so I can pill for these cards, just because I think it'd be hilarious. Also, like a lot of them were.

Uh.

One guy pulled out a scale for his cards to weigh them.

Yes, like some packs weigh more if they have the right card.

Incredible, right because like I guess, the rarer cards are a little thicker, right, the foil the foil, yes, so that they were weighing cards. And then I swear to god, I saw so many eBay apps open just waiting to also sell, like the whole boxes and everything, And there were plenty of like parents that also just bought into the hype. And you know, when you see a line, you just go after it. Also, sure right, you don't want to miss out?

Yeah, ah gosh.

I Pokemon cards are a problem. Just play the And the thing is that that bugs me the most. I bet you ninety percent of these people buying all these boxes have no idea how to play the game.

Oh there was sure scalpers, right, which you know I do. I like scalpers at least because they helped me feel like I have a real job, which is something.

I remember that week that the PS three and the we were coming out, they're like a week apart, and I was writing for the paper, and both nights that they were coming out, like the night before I went to Walmart, went to best Buy, I went to Target, to all the lines and went down and was like, I think I shot a video like interview and everyone asking, and it was something like ninety eight percent of people were there just to sell them on eBay, you know,

Well, talking about paper cards to paper Mario, Jeff Grubb, you've been playing Paper Mario thee thousand Year Door, Yeah, I was.

I was thinking about my good friend Mike. You wanted me to finish this game, and I'm like, you know what, I do enjoy it, why don't I go back there? And as soon as I picked it back up, it was to get onto the train, which turns out to be like kind of a mystery, a bunch of mysteries. There's a detective, and I'm like, well, had I known this, I would have been back here immediately. It just continues

So yeah, that's definitely one of go ahead chance.

Sorry, I think I got to pick this up. Now, I think I got I've never played Paper in Your Door.

Oh you never played Janet.

It's so good and you know that chapter structure like so yeah, sometimes it can be a little bit like, uh, you know, kind of like up and down, up and down. But each chapter does a pretty good job of switching things up, and some of them really switch things up, like this train murder mystery parody moment here right, which again is just sort of really well done and it is a lot of fun. Relatively laterish in the game, I'm trying to think, Jeff, well, what else do you have?

I don't know there's I think there's just this and then and then one kind of thing after this, one chapter after this.

And then lead ish.

Yeah.

Sure, there's like the pro wrestling section, which is incredible.

Oh yeah, I love that.

Yes, yeah, where you get your own little baby Yoshi. It randomizes the color of it, so it's very exciting to see what color you get.

What what's Mario's wrestling name?

Oh the Great, the Great Gonzales.

Yeah, yes, it's great.

It as gray as the baby Yoshi like only knows him as that because he's born he's the Great Gonsolate, so he after the entire game, we'll call him Gonzale.

To play this remake because I played with that. I only went through the one time, and it was like five years ago. I feel like I kind of want to play it again.

Oh, it's so really good.

It's so freaking good.

Like playing through, I'm like, oh this, you know, it was always either this or Mario RPG is my favorite, and playing both of the remakes and I enjoyed both of them, I am like, no, it's thousand year Door. This game is too freaking good.

All right, Hey, question for you boys, what is the best fake wrestler name.

Fake wrestler as in in a movie or TV show? It's Thunderlips, right, Thunderlips is good. Captain Insana, Captain Insanos. The Kevin Sana was a wrestler in The Water Boy, right, Like.

Yes, Boom is.

Good and really the way he sells sells show.

Yeah, it might be Bones. What's the name of the guy in uh gosh, the freaking weird comedy with David Arquette and.

Ready to Rumble.

Oh, he's just like the King, right he's it's Oliver Platt, which was the weirdest.

Yeah, God, that movie sucks.

I love Oliver Platt.

Jimmy King, Jimmy King.

Okay, that's that's the Have you seen the.

Clip of David Arquette on Nitro eating ship through the gimmick stage.

No, it's incredible.

I probably saw it at the time and GDP.

Are climbing the like tron to do a spot and the stage was gimmicked because they were going to do a spot where they fell off and fell through the stage. When David Arquette was supposed to be in that spot, they just told him, like, hey, go out through the tron and just take a rite and go over there and then do whatever. They didn't tell him the stage was gimmicked, so he just ate ship through this like wooden stage that was gimmick to like shatter and everything.

Cat hole.

Yeah, that's a yeah, that's great.

There could be there could be a at least caught again hole.

King of the Ring, Ring of the King. I don't know read forget the name of it. Yeah, it's a very generic name.

Rumble Bone Saw is very good and that's.

The best casting, like weird past his prime macho. Yeah, that's great. That's like rap album era macho man.

It's a good line.

Read oo he's ready. Yeah, I feel like there was no direction, No, Raimy just let him.

Cook and he was the good guy in that scene because Spider Man got homophobic or something, right.

Ye, right, yeah, and then his uncle died.

He let it happen.

He let it happen.

Spider Man hel.

He has heal moments.

Okay, definitely.

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking about going back to games, Jeff Grubb, You've also gone back to Star Wars Outlaws.

Yeah, yeah, I'm like, so, I think I've been mentioning the last couple of weeks here on the BombCast that was having a hard time focusing on stuff and starting up new games, and I'm like, I think, really big part of it is there's so a handful of things I want to clear up from last year and keep playing. And when I was like super honest with myself, it's like the one I want to be playing the most of Star Wars Outlaws, So I've gone back to that.

Do you think this game would have performed differently if it wasn't tied to Ubisoft?

Yeah, I mean I do think there's a Yeah, ubi Seft's just having a thing right at a moment right now where, Yeah, people hear that name and they have a certain idea of what those games are going to be a lot of times a correct estimation of what those games are going to be, and they're burnt out by that, and they don't trust that company, and they you know, think that you know, I could just wait a little bit and get it on sale and then that's what that

Yeah, it's fine. Everyone's just going to start charging one hundred dollars for games and that's going to save everything.

Man, we'll talk about that in the news.

Yeah, motherfuckers. If you missed it. Last Friday, we did a charity stream for La Wildfire Relief and Mikey you put on the rundown Bowser's Fury.

Yeah.

Yeah, you know, it's funny because you know we did that race, but the race was just to beat the game, so we all did that also, me, Jeff, Dan and Sean. That was just such a fantastic time. That was one of my favorite dreams we ever did here. Obviously, you know, doing it for a good cause getting to hang out,

I feel like it was easy to forget how good it was too, because I don't know if you were like me where it's like it came out. I heard it was like a five hour thing. I played through it all in like one or two sittings, loved it, remember loving it, and then I didn't touch it since then. So it's been like since it came out that I last touched it, and it's like immediately been like, oh, right, this is I want this to be the blueprint for every Mario going forward, and.

For me personally, like my association was with Bowser's Fury became more, oh this is the game I got in trouble in the tend with because I said how many catch shines were in it and it wasn't supposed to write, so like you know, the meme became reality there a little bit. So it was nice to remember, no, no, this is actually a very very good game. It was worth going to Nintendo G four.

It'll wait for me.

It's a game you did your time, Mike, It's good.

Yeah, exactly right, Yeah, you've been rehabilitated. I think for me it's always a reminder of assessing games in the time and then assessing games years later, especially once you start getting out of the generation that it's in. It's a very different thing. It just is. And what I want from a game when I am like reviewing it and recommending it to people and I know they have to pay a lot of money for it is very different.

Is, so grab you're doing these reappraisals, now is it time for Red Dead two?

For you? I will always be willing to reappraise something. Like I said, I did do that one stream where it's I went in there and immediately had a bad time again.

But I would say don't stream it because I've considered that several times as I started playing it again, like oh, maybe I'll just stream some like Bounty Hunts or something here. But then the second no, this is gonna be my playoff line.

So there is what's his name, the guy that sits on the exercise ball on YouTube. He did Abe Newle, Yes, Gabe newele I can't I can't remember his name. He started ball media someone in chat will help me remember. But he did a Red Dead Redemption two video not long after I did my story on Gamespeed explained why I thought it was a disappointment, and his video was like, point by point, like all the stuff I was feeling. He did a great job, Naked Jaki, Thank you everybody.

Yeah, big Naturals, I got it.

Grub, thank you, thank you for understanding.

I think it speaks to how good of a game Bowser's fury is because when you three and Sean get into the competitive mode, I noticed a little bit of tension and salt building up. But I don't think there was any real tension or any real fury or hurry amongst y'all. You all were just enjoying the game. It was a race a bit, that's it.

I would have played it probably a bit differently, Like if we weren't racing at every one of those islands, I would have gotten all five of those yeah coctibles and stuff like that. But like it was a fun addition to it where it's like, am I gonna waste the time to find these last two cat things?

Or do I need to fucking move here?

Like I would do this exact race again with this exact same Yeah, Like I feel like that's it feels ever going to me.

It was so much fun and it was a good time because of that, Dan Reikert, you had to play Crimson Skies.

Yeah, So I won Bowser's Hurry, and so we got to pick a classic retro.

Game to play that we hadn't played before. So I played.

No, I lost, and Mike gave his punishment homework Assignment, which for those who didn't see it, the punishment was the winner got to pick a game that the three losers had to play that they had not played before, and the idea was, it's a good game. It's not like a Blake Club type thing. And so Mike picked Crimson Skies for me for the original Xbox and it's

To bring it through a canyon.

Lure this enemy ship into a canyon where we've got a bunch of anti air stuff going off. And you can also get out of your plane and take like you can go to a friendly zeppelin and take over the turret on top, you can switch to the turret on the bottom. Like there's there's robbing a train, there's like kind of trials of you know, flight and combat.

And stuff like that. There's just a lot of a lot of variety that I.

Don't think I would have expected in this, like Xbox era you know plane game. You know, I grew up on a combat on PlayStation, which are great games, but this has a lot more variety than that, I think.

So, yeah, they're making an adventure game. Yeah yeah, not like but like adventurous game, not adventure the genre.

Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like it's like Sky Captain type.

Of Indiana Jones.

And yeah, that's one things I always liked about.

You know, there's so many, you know, games where the setting or theme is sci fi fantasy, modern warfare, and this one has that very pulpy nineteen forties adventure film kind of thing, and you know, like the music does that so well too, just the way the radio chatter is all the late you know people, toxic catchers that specific feel very well. And also lots of turret sections.

I thought Dan.

Would like that.

I love a good turret section, even like it's just got those dumb little missions that I'm sure we drive some people nuts, but I love where it's like, all right, follow this plane that's dropping weather balloons and you need to shoot all the ones that don't have a blue cross on them, and so it's like you have a time limit and it's like you have to kill nineteen of these things and you can't hit a single blue ones like shooting gallery stuff. But it all controls well.

Good glad for having fun with it. Now you can join me on my yelling crusade to get them to make a new one, because the game like this, you know, this keeps all right surprisingly open like you talked about, but one like a really big, continuous open world and with monographics, got that would be incredible.

Yeah, I see you two have also banded together to also play Donkey Kong Country Returns HD.

Yeah, I stand by it's one of the best platformers of all time.

Oh, I mean two D You know, maybe I'm enjoying it.

I never I didn't play before.

This is my first time going through it, and I am having a lot of fun with it, especially you know, in like original Donky gunt Country, you get to a mine cart level and you're like a little weird, like, oh god, it's gonna maybe be a little annoying. Mine cart levels here are really fun. I like the angry Bird style rocket barrel levels even more.

Yeahs like flatty Bird where it's just a lot of like tapping.

Yeah yeah, sorry, yeah exactly. The flappy bird style thing there is really good. Yeah, it's just kind of really all together. Saw it Sometime I'm I hate myself for this. I have this problem with.

It's a big problem.

But like, I have more fun if I don't care about things like getting the Kong lists a lot of times.

But I also can't help I pass up on the puzzle pieces.

I mean, I when it originally came out one hundred per the game got all the puzzle pieces and stuff. This one, I'm just doing Kong letters, but I can pass up the puzzle pieces.

Yeah. So like again, it's because you know, you can get to a pretty good flow state here, right, especially with the rolling and I always love that Donkey Knng Country move where you can roll off a ledge roll in the coyote time.

Right, So that's fantastic.

But you know, so I kind of hate that I'm on a roll and then like I see a letter and I like stop and kind of like looking around.

I only get the letter and I kind of want to just keep going.

I think I know what you will say to this, but I think I'm going to say this. I don't know if I've ever thought this before. I think it's the best Donkey Kong game. I know you're gonna say ninty four, You're gonna say ninety four.

I'm okay.

Anything with Donkey Kong in the name.

I think this is a Donkey Kong. I think even amongst the country games to two the two two is my second favorite.

Sure, I don't think it's a ridiculous thing to say that. Oh yeah, I could see this being a person's favorite for sure.

Okay, yeah.

I think it was also came out at a time where it's like now, it's an embarrassment of riches in terms of great two D platformers, like especially like the NDCE and stuff that's'm playing like Celeste. Again, there were so many but I remember when I reviewed this a

Yeah, you're right, because for a while it was you know, it was almost like tabbooed to make a home console two D platformer games from one of these big companies, and Antito was doing it a bit with like new Super Mario Brothers. Even then a lot of that stuff was more for the portables, So yeah, we had a new Super Mario Brothers. We but yeah, something about Donkey Cutchry returns. It was like, no, we're just gonna make a lot of these, and in fact, for some franchises,

That series just went back to two D or micro games.

But I am glad that they did eventually get over that kind of you know, being afraid to make two D games thing for a while there.

We and especially this one, like coming out on the Switch makes sense to me because like as great as it was on the Wei, having to waggle to do the role and that's a very frequent thing you have to do suck. And then three DS was better because you don't have to worry about that. But it's also tied to the three DS. So it's like, this is one that I want on my switch. I wanted to be backwards compatible and my switch to I want to just be able to play this game without doing waggle bullshit.

Yeah. Yeah, that's the work that I kind of want them to do with a lot of their games that are stuck on these sword consoles, is just get them set up for the long term on the switch and that'll be good. And yeah, seeing that for Donkey Kong is is fantastic. And they made a big point about, hey, now all the Donkey Kong Country games are on the switch. I you know, I think they're going to do that with a lot of franchises.

I still haven't beat Donkey Kong Country three. That's the only one I e beat. It's I've tried it so many times. And some of the level design and a big dumb baby Kong. I hate that stupid Kong.

I hate people.

I don't like looking at it, look at that in Wow Wow.

Dixie is great.

Love Dixie. Fucking dum Baby.

Fuck that guy. Big people hating Kongs.

You see, like some people are really upset about the new Donkey Kong.

I love that.

It's awesome.

I love it.

It's been this since like the Super Nintendo, you know, like let's let's get Donkey Kong in there.

It makes up a little bit. It's okay.

Well, I like the Donkey Kong Country designs, but like Rares like talents have never been character design like kind of going back to a different design is fine. I love it.

I love Rare's dumbass characters.

Just everything just has big eyes, a lot of cash with eyes.

Yea flower with boobs.

Uh huh.

Giant thing of poop, the giant thing of poop.

Yeah, well there's no way to transition to Dark Souls three, so Mikey tell me all about it.

Actually, I've been picking up a lot of dung piles in that game. Yeah, I've been kind of working through the Dark Soul series. Started three up a couple of weeks ago. I was always looking forward to this one because I knew it was gonna be, you know, a little bit faster paced, a bit a bit more out and ring like and always I like the slower pace of Dark Souls one is fine, but I was excited to do something that was gonna feel more like Elden Ring doing my deck Bill. So I'm doing a lot

Lovely, Lovely, Jeff Grubb, I have no idea what this is that you put on the doc here, this looks like an acid trip sound self a technodelic de.

Yeah, that's an acid trip. Oh, so it's okay. So I was at my first E three. No, couldn't be in the firs. It was an early three. Early VR stuff is getting shut up now, I'm saying that this might have been a GDC, and it was like there's a weird person who had a VR headset say hey, come, come, like uh meditate with my VR our game. I'm like, okay, let's go see what this is about. And they put me in like the development kit one Oculus rift headset thing with the like really bad screen all that stuff.

Sure you didn't just do d MT.

No, I'm not sure. Okay, what's definitely possible.

It's a drug. Things happened like what he described.

All Right, I'm looking at images on the Oculus web page and yeah, it looks like a one visualizer.

I would try this.

You should.

Yeah, if there's a way for anyone to try. Yeah, it's very neat. I think you would like it.

Should I have marijuana first?

It helped me.

Okay, the cops got disappointed. Your dare camp counselor would be dandy if you tell.

Us, Mike, we're gonna have your brother sent to prison for stealing hacks yep, all right, the mini family.

In front of us speak about getting into a flow state. Dan reichert, have you edited a flow state while playing Clone Hero?

Oh?

This has been interesting.

I saw, I think, I said, Steve Saylor posted like an Instagram story and I saw them playing like on a modern TV and console with like these sharp looking guitars and like, what the hell is that?

And I messaged him, was like what guitar is that?

What are you playing?

And he told me was the the PDP riff Master, And so I got one of those. I got the Xbox and PC one, and god damn, I I well, my first thought was like, okay, back in the day all my rock band and Guitar Hero stuff was on Xbox,

Here's a David Bowie pack.

But I didn't I had like one hundred songs or something, and then shout out to NICKI telling me about Clone Hero, and Nikki also sent some links that were very helpful at making that work easily, and so I immediately there's you know, led Zeppelin, all the stuff that like you wouldn't normally find a guitar here or I mean, I don't know how legally all is or whatever, but there's stuff like guns and roses, like I don't know why they never put appetitpe for destruction in uh in rock

Yeah, that's my question. Do you think it'd be worth the price?

How much is it?

And I think it's like one hundred. Do you want to hear something? I mean, if you want to play it is really solid.

It is.

I like it better than the old It's wireless, got a dongle, and the cool thing is it has this like flip down thing where like the whole like kind of fret bar or whatever you want to call it. I'm not a musician, Uh, flips down and so you just fit it back into the box or I've got a thing here. Yeah, it's it's nice, Like it's a really solid guitar.

I've done this same exec setup but for DDR with step Mania, which is an app you can download that's basically just clone Hero for DDR. I basically have that set up on this computer all the time. That's that's the way to do it these days. Yeah, because the community sport is off the chart for all these things.

Yeah yeah, so really really enjoyed that. So it's great to have that grub.

I've seen a couple people streaming that washing Machine looking rhythm game.

Yeah yeah, yeah one. I just played that at Yeah well and games done quick.

Yeah yeah, I need to figure out a way we need to get sh that washing Machine setup at home, because you would be I'd love to, like you have the camera set in front of the or behind the screen so you're like you're staring at the people as you're doing the rhythm game. It'd be great, it'd be that'd be my whole job was really fun.

It was great. I was like really getting into it, dancing like there again, I have some video, Chris, so I'm sorry. A J got some video of us, so I'll see if I can share that.

Anymore.

No, that's right, myma is what the washing Machine game is called apparently, Okay, okay, yeah, it'd be a nice top down view for a stream, just like it is a top down isometric game that I've been playing called super Vive. I saw someone chatting about this on the twitch chat last week while I was talking about Marvel Rivals. Supervive is a isometric squad based battle royale. If you look at it just from screenshots or the trailer, it'll remind you of like a DoD To two, perhaps a

Oh yeah, this is the one I wanted to get. I'm getting it right now.

It has guns and swords.

Yeah.

It is a Metroidvania, which, boy, I've just been lousy with metroidvanias lately, between the dominant collection and this, and.

It's an embarrassment of riches out there right now.

It is, and it's one of my favorite genres I never get tired of. So whenever I hear there's a good one, I jump in and uh, probably a couple hours into this one. Very good so far, so square and circle. You can map to whatever weapons, so guns, swords, things like that. So like right now I've got like an assault rifle thing and I just have like the sword on x or sorry, I'm playing on Xbox, so X is my sword, b is my guns? And then why is this like spirit sword? It's almost like the

And so the sword is going.

So there's like two different bars. There's your health and then there's your Lux bar, which is like your spirit sword thing. And if you get kills with your standard weapons, your guns and swords, you recharge your lux energy, which is like your MP. If you get kills with your lux abilities and sword and all that stuff, you get health.

But sexual twenty twenty five game, which yeah, it has been a lot of January releases here, which has been nice in a way because it has been letting me kind of play some odor things there. But yeah, we'd like to check out a twenty twenty five metro Vanya, especially before the deluge of big releases starts the next month.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, god, this just does look like Game Boy Advanced Castle Vanya is where they're like, here, we have an idea for an enemy, how can we do it in two D? Here's a big cat I don't know, just have its head beyond this plane and the rest of its body be in the background. And I love that shit. I love the way that stuff looks.

I think you'd like it.

And there's like some little puzzle elements that like, I haven't really seen as much in Metroid Veniens, where it's like there's.

A UV light will kill your spirit sword, So you have to.

Find ways to like, Okay, I'm gonna stick the sword, because you can stick the sword and walls in the ground and stuff like that. So if you throw in the ground, it creates like a bubble shield around you that'll guard you against projectiles. If you throw it against a wall, like let's say you're jumping up towards a wall. If you hold why, it'll throw the sword in and you'll like get to use it as a platform. So the sword is pretty versatile. Like let's say you're about

It sounds big. I think I must have played this in like a steam neex fest last year or something like that, because it looks familiar and sounds familiar. I bet that's what happens. So yeah, I'm I'm ready to play this. I think I heard or saw Patrick Kleppik talking about it as well. Uh and so like this morning' like oh yeah, I should ad that to the list, and then forgot. So I'm glad you brought it up. I have now added to my account. I'm gonna download on Downloat on the steam Deck tonight.

It's fantastic. I've only played it on the steam Deck.

It's greatly more games should have spirit swords. Spirit swords, yeah, like a gigantic one following me at all times that I'd feel safe.

What about my soul caliber like swords that have like goopy eyeballs and stuff. Yes, I like that.

I mean if if you have the souls of human beings in there. That's that's good. I can handle that.

Will I get corrupted? Or am I already corrupted?

I think the fact that you want you want one of these swords means you're already corrupt.

But so Jan is sigfreed right now. I do want to see what Nightmare Jan looks like. Oh guys, we aren't ready for that jungle juice.

Let me tell you, oh boy, to give me a couple of months, I'll show you all Nightmare Jen.

Yeah go back. Yeah, we'lcome back to working at the coffee shop. And that was Nightmare Jan glowing us.

Let's give me one of the people you know, pushing the kids aside to get a box of Polkemon cards or whatever.

See, I'm reformed. I could have just jumped the line and stolen those Pokemon cards or jump some of those nerds.

Let's make a Scared Street a miniseries with Jan talk like performing Pokemon nerds.

I'll do it. I'll do it because they finally need it. Go outside, stop trying to make money selling cards, and go get a blue collar job. Goddamn it.

Hell yeah, I'm watching.

All right, friends, We're gonna take a quick bricky break because that about does it for games. I like how quiet it is right now. It's about to get so fucking loud with video games soon. Yeah, February is right around the corner, boys. Uh, and the news is right around the corner as well, and we'll hear about it right after this break a break, Jeff Grubb, I actually have the first news story today. Yeah.

Please.

Due to social obligations, I helped chaperone a high school dance. Okay, and yes, no, the DJ was taking requests.

Oh and I ask Googly Moogly, that thing is juicy.

I asked him, Hey, I think it'd be hilarious if you put on the macarena. Oh yeah, And then he said, no, I am not going to play the makarena.

What a funny tuddy exactly, like.

God, love the power that they wheeled over us.

Yes they do.

They love it is that is their throat, right, that is their court, and they love to tell us no. Yeah.

Like I think we were at some bar in l A. And I think I went up to the DJ and requested a song, and I got the vibe that I had violated him by requesting a song.

So I don't think I trust DJs.

I don't. Yeah, I think I'm I'm coming to your side on.

This, and in general, if somebody says they're a DJ, I'm instantly like, all right, that's right, putting yourself down here, and you gotta climb out of a hole there.

You know, I want to be careful because I you know, gosh, I used to go out so much. I like, get friends of a couple of DJs, and they happen to be listening.

Listening to you.

They're better than jugglers, but they're but not much DJ asked tits just perfect. No, that's very different kind of DJ we're talking about. Yeah, j is art, Yes, yes, yes, yes, uh yeah. Anyway, I was very offended, and then I high school dances are terrible, even witnessing them as an adult. I guess I should I guess I shouldn't ask, But are just so curious how you ended up chaperone high school dance social obligations.

Mikey Uh, all right, that's the odd life I live anyway, Jeff grab the actual news.

Yeah, yeah, my first news story is, uh, my kids now say the word clipbard instead of clipboard. Yeah, so they they love it. Actually, they love saying clipbird. They're out there all the time. They got a little favorite, big red dog, Yes, Clipberd, the big red dog. They love many things, tiny little things. They have a mini locker now for their toys, and they have many school supplies and they take all their kids their toys to school and they use all the many objects and stuff

Now we do too, and so wonder all of it?

What about mini mouse?

No, they've never heard of her. That clip show someone put together of the voicemail dump truck came out and I think that was one of the conversations they slept.

So where that's going from.

Yes, I said someone should make a clip show. And then someone just edited a clip show and it's out there. It's pretty good show.

To you someone that did a good job.

It's ct lens with a Z at the end on YouTube. So yeah, shout out to them, all right, news I Hey, the switch to was announced. You know, we'll go over the basics again. Real Quick showed off the form Factor and new Mario Kart. Mario Kart had twenty four places at its starting grid, so people are thinking maybe there could be twenty four racers instead of the twelve that were Mario Kart eight. The system itself is bigger, The screen is bigger, it has a smaller bezel, It is

Can you do a layperson's explanation of hal effect? Is it's something I hear a lot.

Yeah, so, I mean, basically, it just uses a magnetic field to tell where another magnet inside that field is, and it just it's one to one every time. It's more complicated than that, but that's the layman's explanation. It uses magnets.

We'll never know. Another explanation of Hall effect is when you just keep a toothpick in your mouth and you throw it dramatically for cool effect, to be the bad.

Guy and you get up.

Yeah.

I wasn't sure if you were going to go with Scott Hall or Hall of Oates, but okay, similar to I always go to Scott Hall Skall Hall. The Switch To trailer has seventeen million views already, which it reached faster than the PS five reveal video. If you want to take anything from that. I think it has fewer views than the Switch one trailer did at this point, so who the hell knows views are free? It's not like you can tell much by that. And now Nacon

I'm excited. I think people are getting all up in arms about the lack of a fun gimmick. I think we will have.

We will have whatever happened to fun Nintendo guys.

Oh my, I am I am actually starting to get a little tilted from because.

It's a crazy thing. It's a crazy thing to say, like right, I mean, of course it was going to just be the switch to, and they already are putting in probably more weird, little gimmicky things. I thought, I don't know what people wanted, but also like what was the real innovation with you know, yeah, the switch the home console of the Porpo thing. Things that really mattered were like innovations and software like Breath of the Wild doing what you know, crazy things you can still innovate

Thing before that you liked.

I I agree with the you know, Alex Perry, I saw him post something like prior to the Switch, the hardware gimmicks that Nintendo put into their systems were like an obstacle. It's something that you just had to deal with to play the great games, you know, the game pad, the we waggle, all that stuff. It's like, it's not what made them great. It was just like all right, Like I saw my Donkey con Country Returns. Yeah, yeah, great fucking game. I just had to deal with the

It's also just like a failure and pattern recognition that because this was never going to be the system that was going to be weird again, because Nintendo does one thing over and over again. They released the NES, then there's this Super Nintendo. They they go, you know, had the game Boy, then they had the game Boy.

Advance sequel systems when it hit, there's a sequel.

They always do a sequel system. To their heads, there was the Wei, there was the we, U was the ES, there was the three DSIX, there's sixty four d D like the children won't stop talking about. Yeah, the Big Natural is the system.

Uh and uh Tetrosphere with big Cat.

That's my favorite mod. I don't know that the first Tetrosphere, Big Naturals mod Jesus.

Uh.

Yeah, this was always going to be the switch to fallow up. It was always going to be the game Boy advance to the game Boy. So uh, people like taking this and extrapolating as creative Nintendo is dead are weird and wrong and odd and I don't know what's wrong with them, Like, like, let's wait a little bit before we declare that to be the situation.

I mean, a couple of seconds of that reveal trailer showed the new joy Cons being used as mice, not directly uses mice. Well, like alluded to Yes, suggestion.

Just just wait, y'all.

We we got a trailer that barely showed anything. Just wait till they actually show stuff off. I'm still a proponent that those joy cons will be used in a dumb optional way to control your Mario karts.

Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna got You're gonna be annoyed by something about this system without a doubt for sure. And then uh, and then they'll have fun little side gimmicks similar to street Pass that we don't know about yet. That stuff will still happen to I'm.

Assuming that the joy cons, since they are magnetic now, they will only latch onto the like switch itself.

Right, what do you mean, like I suppose to go?

I mean, if they want to do like a lavo gimmick type thing, they could conceivably do weird accessories and stuff like that, the wee golf clubs.

And stuff like that. You just had to have the base things also have the other end of that magnet.

Again.

Yeah, it's kind of have that. I think we I forget we saw it's gonna have another one of those like mid connector shells that you can use as a controller.

I just want to be able to slap on weird stuff magnetically to my switch to.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there will be a lot of that for sure, some of the other like you know, we're in the puddle news area where people are only fixate on the stuff that really scares them. And right now, one of the main things for that is the sort of tongue that sticks out of where the joy con connects to that little connector slot, the extending slot that is inside that little the hole where the joy Con

It would suck if it broke. H let's you know, see if it breaks.

Yeah, that's where I'm at. Yeah.

I feel like every time I disconnected the when you would attach the little like side gimmicks of the joy con to play like you know, Snipper Clips or Mario Party, you know, it always feels weird pressing that little button, like like there's like a crass like I don't like that sound at all, but like it's never actually broke anything, yep.

Yeah, And I my assumption here is they've tested this and they it probably will not break. It's not gonna be that thing.

I understand people being like skeptical and work because we did have the joy kon drift issue, right yeah, Hey, an issue like shows up that would suck and we should do something about that. But I'm not like, you know, watching a video and trying to pinpoint what I think the next red ring of death is going to be, right.

Yeah, And I mean Nintendo knows that part of their core audience will be children that maybe may rough house with their switch.

So yes, yeah, that's why I fad too. It's an outward facing little thing like that. It will be a great focus for them, being like what about kids? They will do that will if there is a point of failure, it will be something like drift inside the system, overlooked, cheap component, takes time to fail. It'll be something along those lines.

It'll be the kickstand.

It'll be the back of our kickstand, the back of our stand.

Yeah.

Okay, so Nacon between April and September, I've like thought about this a little bit more because I'm like, they'll just they'll skip summer if it's not coming the summer, so it's either April, May or in the fall. I guess why wouldn't they release it in summer, Like, I'm trying to think of the reason I felt that way, and it was just a gut feeling of it's a bad time to launch a console. It doesn't make a ton of sense. But why did I feel that way? I don't know.

Summer vacation people aren't home.

Maybe, yeah, I think so, But I think before the switch doesn't matter, Maybe the switch two doesn't matter. Yeah, it's maybe it's even the kind of system where like a family buys it on vacation and takes it to their you know, the their bungalow, their Airbnb, their room things out that there. Yeah, the rooftop parties that they're attending. So yeah, April to September does still sound plausible. I think I would probably lean closer to September though, if

May June hopes personally, but you know, I hope anywhere in that window.

Yeah, I feel like September just because that next direct where they're going to talk about the switch more will be in April, and you want to give people enough time to get their pre orders in and everything. You think June would be too short of a turnaround time for that.

No, I'm ex again. I think I think May is possible. Like I honestly like if I had, like, you know, do the chart it out and be like the bell curve. I think, you know, the fat part of the bell curve is May. That's like the most likely it's going to be May time. It's going to be May. And then June I think is is quite a bit less likely, but still likely. And then I think, you know, July, I just I just can't see it launching in July. I guess that's the thing. Late August September, that all

I think there's also a third game that has been canceled, the Horizon MMO or that's.

Yeah, that is the latest roomor I can't confirm that. I don't know, but yeah, that's that's definitely just popped off today And apparently.

That was like, that's different from the Gorilla made her online Horizon Survival games somehow.

Okay, yeah, nc Soft Horizon m m O RPG. Okay, yeah, that wouldn't surprise me. You definitely don't need that. And whatever Gorilla is working on that is a crazy thing that they were that they were doing over there. But yeah, I mean, the live service stuff has fully fallen out over at Sony. They're not in love with that concept anymore. What I did here is if these studios were to try to pitch new games, they definitely would not get

That's so frustrated because, like I mean, two years ago, they were so loud, but that was the strategy, that was it, That was the gravy train, and to pivot so hard from that is got to be incredible whiplash for these studios. It's still just so shocking that, in this desperate pursuit of line going up, you just hit your wagons whatever the trend is right now without any thought of, well, trends are trends that they're called that for a reason. They don't last forever. How long is

There's an ip and a buzzword. We got it right there.

Especially when a studio like Blue Point that was specifically so good at doing the thing that they were doing these amazing remakes, you know, oh, does a studio have to do that same thing forever and ever? Yeah, hey, maybe not, Maybe they could try something new original live service. That was the pivot for them again in this time and age. Yeah, where the game takes five, six, seven years to make and you cancel that all down the drain.

Oh, for sure, like this, especially Blue Point, who has done like really great work helping remaster stuff to like make them make an original or I guess it's something based off of God of War, which they've worked on, but like to ham fits them into like all right, kind of make an original game that has to make us boku bucks. It seems like a waste of that studios talent.

Yeah, and its like I might just mentioned it the frustration, I mean, because it's the way this stuff works is you know, people's one chat's like how much blame does Jim Ryan get and the way it works is like Jim Ryan's not sitting around being like, here are my creative ideas for this studio and what they're gonna make. I have the right ideas, and I'm going to go tell that studio what to do. I want a God of War online live service game and you're gonna make it.

So yeah, now those are some real days gone.

Yeah, yeah, they sure are.

Uh.

You know, Microsoft gets so much of the attention right with like, oh, Xbox is in big trouble. The failures there are you know, pretty pretty loud, uh, And we see the consequences of that, maybe more immediately. But PlayStation just has so many of the same exact challenges and again it's pretty loud too now with what happened with Concord. It is just it's it's hard over state kind of the impact that one games failure is going to have on you know, PlayStation and even the industry.

M hm. What does this mean overall for Marathon though, because that is still being pitched as like a games or a live service game, right.

Better hit. There's also rivers that bungees making a mobile too, right, So I don't know, but I feel like there's so many of these boy that game better hit moments in the industry right now, right, I mean absolutely if it would be soft and Assassin's Creed Shadows, yes, you know, it's like that with Grand Theft thought six, which you know it'd be weird if it didn't hit, but boy, it better hit.

Mm hm oh man, imagine what what world we're gonna be? And if somehow Grand Theft out of six had like a cyberpunk style launch and it was just everything was on fire and international news stories be a rough place, yeah, it would be bad. Yeah. I mean, I just think that going forward, it's gonna have to be like these companies are just gonna do more cost cutting. They're probably going to cut more jobs while they try to figure

We could we continue to spot this spiral of fewer and fewer games coming out, which specifically for PlayStation and Xbox is gonna be a big problems. That's that's the only differentiating thing now is these exclusives in a lot of wayspecs. You know, in a world win a switch to it's gonna be able to play a lot more of these third party games that you wouldn't necessarily have

Yeah, it's uh, I think they're just against the wall, right because they need to find new people to buy five hundred dollars consoles and they've sort of run out. Uh, you know, we we buy a lot of those, but that is not a growing market, and so spending a lot of excuse me, a lot of extra money making new games to entice people to buy that console. What we just said, well, new people aren't buying the consoles, so what are we doing this for. It's it's tough

And well what the studio I thought that I heard that one she was fired and that two they're closing Bio Where Edmonton because the game was woke and sold bed.

Yeah.

So this reporting initially came out of some online weirdos who immediately used it to lie that say that the studio was closing down, And everyone I've tried to like talk to about that says, I, No, there's nothing to that. Bio where Edmonton was a reportably going to close down in February. According to online liars, people who are their whole job is to grift and make people mad about wo can get paid money by doing that. Why would they have a reason to lie about such a thing.

You're gonna get sued.

I'm gonna get super plagiarism.

Yeah, because of your big story, except that you said was it'sae. I've been deleting a lot of comments on YouTube, Lily, and I'll tell you what. Keep making them chuts originally so much joy to delete each of every one of them.

Man, Yeah, that's right, all right, some more stories here.

Analysts hope GTA six will cost as much as one hundred dollars. Uh, basically an analyst put out some two

We're cooked.

This is like, this is not not ay charging more for your product. I get it, But that is the fundamental issue is all these games we continue excuse me talking about every week are very expensive and they're competing with TikTok, which is free and online and mobile games which are free, and that's what's really taking all the space out of their rem So what I mean.

There's so many games where clearly the problem is like if people don't really want to spend so many bucks on a Star Wars Outbaws right, or even like you know, like a foul Fantasy sixteen, it's got These prices are kind of tough, right now. I get why these posters and developers can feel like that, like, let's be generous to say the eighty dollar thing at least, because these games are just getting so ridiculously expensive to make, but to expect to just raise the price and there not

Yeah, yeah, go ahead, jam please, Well yeah, when you just look at the field and look at uh, the people, that kind of lapsed from regularly buying games, and you look at the one or two games they play a year. Most of the time that one or two games they play is on their phone, and it is a free gotcha. And sure they are spent. They may spend spend money on it, but I know a couple folks that will get hours and hours of entertainment for free from playing

You say future kind of just sounds like now. Yeah, but again, like you, hey me, I hope people understand just because if Grand Theft Aisle six gets away with that, that does not mean you are going to get away with that.

Yeah.

Yeah, Assassin's creen shadows one hundred dollars because GTA six did it. What No, that would never that would never be seen in the same way ever. But I mean, I think it just overlooks the reality of selling things to people, like the GTA six will be one hundred dollars. There will be a one hundred dollars version of that game, and all Rockstar has to do is give you a few things to make you feel special and make you

Yes, yeah, all right, okay, Mike, I will give you one.

Thank you.

I don't have a cat, but it'd be nice.

Man. Fortune is really three million, okay, jesus. Yeah. So GTA six will do a ton just out of the gate at one hundred dollars. So yeah, they will do that. But it's like this idea then that that should just be the default price. It's like, no, no one is actually having that conversation, it's too flexible the way that we viewed the cost of spending on video games, because we are so used to sales that we are always

Is there a game you would pay one hundred dollars to maybe play? A week early?

I remember the conversation that I'm blessing and Tim had over a kind of funny when Tiers of the Kingdom was coming out, and it was like this was like weeks early, maybe months early, and they were talking like what price they would pay just to be able to make sure that they could play Tiers of the Kingdom, And and the price for that got up to like one thousand dollars, Like like like if you had if you had to pay a thousand dollars the only way

Now what I pay a thousand dollars to play it a week early. No, No, not a week or a hundred dollars to play it a week early.

No.

I think there's occasional times where I might have considered one hundred dollars to play something a week early, but in these days probably No.

There's definitely time my life where like I was just like, WHOA, I could do this early. Wow, that's a crowd you know, I'll pay for that privilege. That's that'sfinitely a thing. I think most people get a bit over when they're older, and time just starts going by in the bleak of an eye. Anyways.

Yeah, in like Colonel Sanders mentions that this is something worth considering as well. You charged one hundred dollars for a game in the United States, that game is going to be one hundred and fifty dollars in Canada. And how do you present that to people? What does that look like? Really? It looks kind of insane and like this industry has completely gone off the rails, and it already does look that way in many cases, but there's

Had it right the three sixty era.

I'm fine with Michael Transactions.

Is all right? Yeah, yeah, let's see here, Jamie h Christmas. You just dropped this one. Okay. Reflect Or Entertainment had some layoffs. Yeah, I don't think layoffs are going to slow down. We had that. We did. Just talk about that Dragon Age story. Why well, I don't think buy where Edmonton is closing. Pretty sure it's not. That doesn't mean there will not be any more layoffs at e A. E A probably will have more ways. So all right,

Uh.

And as part of that, Marvel Snap got caught up in it because Byte Dance couldn't publish stuff in the United States or something. Again, none of it really made sense, but Marvel Snap going offline surprise the people making Marvel Snap to the point where now they are looking for a different publisher. So they're like, this will never happen again. We don't want this to happen again, so we are going to try to leave Byte Dance and find someone else.

Something pretty stressful few days for him one at second dinner there. Geez.

Yeah, it's not like, you know, going twelve hours without revenue is like an easy thing to go through for any company. But this is the free to play mobile game where you're always trying to keep your momentum. Any sort of speed bump like that is going to throw off everything for you. And now it's like their revenues might come up short for the quarter because of this. It's yeah, it's a tough situation. But yeah, I don't know. TikTok's back, Marvel Snap is back. Nothing matters, So I

TikTok's not completely bad.

I don't really, I stop checking. I don't care anymore, all right. A new ESRB ratings suggests a classic Well, Resident Evil is getting an Xbox Series and PS five re release. This is rising in Evil six. It got an M rating from Yeah that's the face, there you go, that's the sound. Yeah, they called it a classic in this headline over at VGC.

Yeah.

This game came out for the Xbox through sixteen PS three in October twenty twelve. It was then ported to Xbox One and PS four in March of twenty sixteen. So this game already works in a pretty good state on Xbox Series X and S and the PS five. What this suggest is this will now get a native version on Xbox Series X and S. And although a PS five version has not been given the s SRB rating, the assumption would be that would happen as well. What do you guys think this is like a full remaster?

They don't want four level Like, no, it's I played through this.

I played one of the four campaigns, like maybe in the last two years with Kayla, right, yeah.

You streamed it with Kayla. I remember watching that and being like that, this is the way for me to engage with this game is watch Dan and Kayla play it.

Yeah, and like, I think she's beating every Resident Evil, but that like the Cores series, and I think it's the only number Resident Evil I haven't beat, just because it's like it is way longer than it needs to be. And as much as I love big stupid action, it's not really what I want from my Resident Evil. And it just felt cheap, like I don't know, just something about controlling it, Like those games are always so tight and this one just felt like a B game.

Basically, we don't need any one of these.

Yeah.

I've been getting so into Resident Evil lately though, and this is like one of the once I ever played much because that demo for.

It was so bad. I'll played with you were bad.

Yeah, I'm like, I'm kind of happy I'm like, I want to play this shit. I want to see what's going on with Resident Evil six. I definitely don't think that this like bes anything in terms of like the full blown remake or the number of entries coming out. I think this is just, hey, we can do like a little bit of something something here to release a PS five and Xbox series and probably a switch to the version of this very likely.

So I did six come to switch one? I think it might have.

No, I don't don't know if it ever did. Five, did it five? And four did?

That's the thing, like, asides from you know, just the backwards compatibility with the PS four version, I don't think this has ever really been Oh there's a cloud version of shit?

Yeah? Wow.

Honestly, if you're illegal.

Maybe the timing does make more sense for what you said, there's like a native version getting updated for switch to, so they're like, well, why don't we just do it for everything at the same time? That might be of what is happening here.

Right, Yeah, I'm still so curious to see what the next remake is. We're probably gonna hear about it RESUL nine f ust but you know, cause it could be five. It could be Code Raka, could be zero, could be one.

Again, the rumors leave off. Did I think the last round of Remembers was Code Veronica? My last rumor sived.

Code Veronica Positive, which is I think the most exciting one personally. But we'll see. Well, it was so confusing because Reside Will six so really well for some reason, even though everyone said it was bad and I never knew anybody who played it, I always every on's while I'm like, I think they're just lying. I don't think that's true. I don't think resid six is the best receival game. I refuse to believe that.

It's a tough, tough one. But yeah that I think Resident Evil for Remake is now on its way to beat the.

Fastest selling one. Yes, it should be so good.

Uh yeah, Okay, so there's some mix up. I think Sean's saying that the Reduvil six on switch is native, which you know it was a three sixty game. Why wouldn't it.

Be Yeah, gosh, okay, man, I didn't even know it was on the switch.

It came out in twenty nineteen, according to the AAH Sound under the Radar.

Okay, yep, all right, Resievil seven is the club version, think you show Yeah.

That's right. Yeah, I guess last. I think you're right like that. It's like this is not part of what they're doing with the numbered remix, but I think this is like this is what sex is going to get as part of that process, right.

Yeah, they ever think it gets a remake because like maybe it's a we make good thing.

It could be a pretty extensive remake. I don't know.

Okay, well, you know, not never in the history of the world. But I don't think it's like in their cards at the moment. I think you.

Exhaust all the other options stres Yes, exactly.

Maybe you do it like a fourth or fifth Resident Evil one remake before you get that again?

Why remake only the DS version?

Yeah?

Okay, we go game the Game Boy Color one.

Yeah, remake Residentval Guidance, Yeah, perfect, all right.

PS five Dinosaur Horror game is skipping a PC release to avoid sexualized mods.

What Yeah?

Since there?

Dinosaur Horror Game Code Violet will be released exclusively exclusively for PS five this July, and the developer stated it doesn't want to go to PC due to concerns about players creating sexualized mods of the game's characters. Someone on Blue Sky pointed out that this sounds like a Tim Robinson sketch where he's like in the room trying to explain, No, you can't put it on PC. They're gonna fuck the dinosaurs. We just can't do it. You see a dinosaur, how

So question if people are wanting to fuck the dinosaurs, why, why does that hurt the game makers?

I don't know. In fact, and if history has anything to say about this, it is it only helps the people make Yeah.

Yeah, problem really you know? Yeah, I mean maybe they're puritans.

I don't know, they're lying. Maybe they just don't want to it sounds hard to make a PC part. They'll just say this. It sounds nice, right. I think we respect our actors or whatever. That's what it's about.

I don't know.

Dan, just like cap Cover six, it one's lying.

I'm gonna say that. I don't think we need to respect dinosaurs. Yeah, what are they gonna do?

Go fuck the dinosaurs? I don't care. I'm not judging.

If you said that on Blue Sky, you'd have at least five replies, being like naturally.

Yeah, I've definitely noticed more of that since you said that last time. Destroy the discover tab please. Yeah. It is like you just can't find the balance of social media. It's either all people trying to destroy everything all the time or yeah, yeah, they.

I'm afraid we might have sailed past.

Yeah, we definitely pasted the honeymoon period there.

They said, I will punch a Nazi in the fucking mouth. Don't come after me.

Yeah, there a new feature we've got cooking you stupid bitch.

Yep eat ship all right, no nightmare, Nightmare jan after all the Nazis. Hell Yeah, Team Jerry Brake, Team Jerry, Team Cherry Jerry.

Team Jerry way ahead of Team Tom right now thinks everybody Team Team Jerry breaks Hollow Night's silk song Radio Silence.

Yes, it's real progressing and will release Mike. You're right, everybody's lying. They're just out there lying.

This thing's going great, everybody. Yeah, I'm still I'm pointed out a little bit of hope for like, this thing's gonna show up, but that switch to direct as maybe a switchhoe launch game.

Then if it's not there, I'm gonna be like something's wrong.

Wrong.

I mean just to like give the timeline again. The game appeared in the twenty twenty three Xbox Summer Game Fest thing and and if you if people remember a whole bit with that, the gimmick was everything in this showcase will be out within the next twelve months. And I think since then every game that was in there, a lot, most of them got delayed, most of them

That is not hate you grub because anytime I see Silk Song, I don't know what it is. I'm like, what are we gonna hear about Spoon Heaven?

Well, how do you think I feel? I didn't know in the first place. I'm like, I think it's called spoon Heaven.

There's no spoons, there's no heaven.

What they can come from.

Place?

He has a need all. I think that somebot needle turned to fork fork. There was between there. Yeah, it was a spork period. That was the gradient, and then we just got the spoon of it. I mean, look, this game has a lot of hand drawn art, so maybe the scope of it is just difficult, and it's just difficult waiting on all those assets being made right. Skill maybe got a little out of control. I don't actually think there's this game never comes out. That would

Yeah, I think that the uh, this just happens with indie games. Like you said, they have they put out a game, they want to do the follow up, and they just put so much pressure and perfectionism on themselves to get everything right. And really these days, when you have a successful indie game, that thing just keeps selling and it keeps funding all that development, So you can take your time. There is no reason to rush it out. You can make Delta Rune parts over the course of years.

You remember Haunted Chocolate.

Ear take a break, Haunted Chocolateer Exactly, let's go. I want to go. I just want to keep working on Starty Value, and I can because the money keeps rolling in from that first game. My needs are met and I'm not some crazy person that has to always be growing. I could just fund my life, work on the projects I want to work on, and at my own pace.

Maybe they got to redraw all the assets because people keep calling it Spoon Heaven.

Maybe we should probably rework this whole thing.

Think anybody at that studio is aware of Jeff calling the game?

Yes, there is no way, Yeah, tem Cherry, if there's a team Jerry, if if there's like at least one Spoon Heaven reference in that game, Like I can't.

Even cause the game to take another six months.

It's worth It's.

Worth it because just because every time we bring it up, someone like on Twitter or Blue Sky or someone will mention spoon Heaven. It's it's over brothers, So yeah, I think they probably know about it. Let's go spook all right, last story here, Mexico tariffs could lead to fewer physical game releases and increased software prices. US President Donald Trump proposed twenty five percent tariff on imports from Mexico and Canada.

Now, my eggs, yeah, right, And this is a just.

A crazy, stupid thing. It won't benefit anybody. It's just it's just a tax.

Uh.

But they do this because then it's they can have these flat taxes that everyone has to pay. And they're like, oh, well that will make it up when we cut the taxes for billionaires going forward, and or so won't. But that's the plan, and we all have to pay for it by spending more on games. And really they will

Yeah, no, I don't even care if he is. I'll fucking punch him in the face.

It's it's a it's bad it's just a rate of shit. Sorry, everyone who's feeling especially targeted. Trans writes to all y'all out there. You know, we got some emails later, but I don't know if we'll get to all of them. But someone mentioned like, you know the parasocial relationships. I know that you know these sorts of relationships. When you listen to a podcast like this and you are, you feel like you have a home like Sometimes they could

I need to go take a quick bricky break to go punch some people in the face. I strongly suggest y'all go do that as well, and we'll be back with some emails. Emails. Bombcastagiant bomb dot com is the email address to send your emails to. You can send an email about virtually any and everything. And I got to give a special shouts out to y'all. We have actually had a flood of emails come in. Uh people listen to the show.

Hey, I appreciate you. I appreciate you.

For sending a shoot email in and having a question and sometimes we may not be able to get to it, but I appreciate it none the less. First email is about Mega Man. Emailer rights in and asks, hey, dudeers, I just got into the Chinese handheld game over Christmas and got my AP and ver Nick up and running. One series I've always wanted to play but never touched is Mega Man. I was wondering if Mike or Jan or anyone else had recommendations for where to start, whether

Game never mind, just just a liar and he loves the Steel exclusives.

Everyone yelling one line, damn.

Give me them sclusies.

So you don't know what that exclusive means?

Oh? Oh not us?

I yeah you j.

I am a big core Mega Man guy first and foremost.

I know, you know, it depends how good your ANYS games you want to play it an nes Mega Man game five doesn't get talked about a lot. It's a bit easier than some.

Of the other ones, though, I think if you want to, like, if you're dipping your toe in to Mega Man, I'd say two, But.

Guy, I would to I like three more than two. I think that five is a little bit more first time friendlier. Let mean, you have the chart shot, you have the slide I love too. I think you better ultimately, but five is also very good and just a little bit easier. But hey, look, you could also just go and play Mega Man two. Understand when you play these games, they're like, look up the bus order.

We all do that.

It's fine. You don't have to go stumble in the dark through that stuff. Mega Man X one also still just very very very good. Megan x four is the other X game that you should maybe check out, but don't sleep on.

Legends.

Mega Man Legends is still just very pretty and unique in a lot of ways, a ton of fun to have with Legends. The Bound Network games are very good. It's very very different different thing though. Yeah, if you are into turn based or RPG games, maybe that's more of your flavor than Definitely try the Battle Network series. Like Mike said, it's very different. There's not a lot,

In order, all right. Next email, Grubbery talked about this briefly before the break comes from Josh in London. Hey BombCast. Back during the holiday season, while wrapping presents with my partner, I put on the Giant Bomb at nights stream segment when the whole GB crew was on the couch. My partner was curious about each GB cast member, so I gave her the rundown on each person, their role and

Know you exist.

I am a real human being. I exist. Anyway, Do you guys have any one sided Pronthesi's polite parasocial relationships with any of the authors, filmmakers, podcast hosts, or general online slash media personalities.

Yes.

The irony of this email, Deepening Deepening said paranormal relationship is not lost on me. From Josh in London, I'm.

I would be very curious to hear the rundowns like the back of the box, like here's the deal with my.

Level?

Yeah, the best of what he does?

Like who is telling you for us?

Who is the Mario of the team.

I wanted to be like the X Men trading cards that had like like fighting ability and power level and things like that, And then a little.

Blurb Yeah, yeah, I still have a ton of these kind of you know, parasocial relationships.

Yeah, it just it happens. There's something inherently wrong with that.

It only gets wrong when the people start being like weird about it, right, and we all know the many ways you can be weird about it, especially like the food YouTubers. I watch so many of those guys, right, and they put out multiple videos a week, and I'm just constantly watching them, and I know the way they

Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you, Mikey. You know, I've talked openly about how my life is kind of a mess actively right now. And I do appreciate there being people out there that are concerned over my well being. And yeah, if if you see me, say hi, I don't fucking mind. Let's let's let's stop and share.

And I think you know, we definitely don't mind. I think you know a loss concern usually for parasocial relationships is they just can't be your only relationship. You know, a positive relationship in your life is positive, it's stable, and it's meaningful, and we could be positive and stable in your life. It's like, do we provide meeting I think only to a certain extent, Like it's only going to be so much meaning What you really need is someone in your life that you could talk to and

Yeah, take a cooking class. I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, cooking class.

There you go go do things, Go out and go do things.

Yep. Yeah, that's that's a key takeaway. Go out and do things. Also, if you're looking for a community. Enjoyed the Giant Bomb discord, Yeah, it's exactly.

You can get those meaningful relationships still as part of this and yeah the discord. Uh, you know, hit me up on Blue Sky. I'll respond every once in a while.

Yeah, Jeff, you would just be some weird do I knew from the internet?

Ye?

To me, Now he's your gravy train.

Yeah, it's gravy train.

M So they call me.

Have you know how they have chocolate fountains? Do they have gravy fountains?

They have cheese? Some places will have cheese. Golden Kral is a chocolate and cheese in the past.

A gravy volcano so much more interested in a cheese fountain choco.

Yeah. I interact with most people that interact with me on Instagram also, so if you like a thing that has Scout in it or whatever, or my dumb memes, then well yeah, well let's hang h Next email is about the Bowser's Hurry stream. This comes from Jerry and Wisconsin. Hey Bombers. The Bowser's Hurry stream on Friday was fantastic. Congrats on raising all that money in such a short amount of time. I did think of a question at

Dan is weirder and worse at Mario than Mitch. Jerry Wisconson, very good, very good. Wow, Dan, come on, you you got last in the race. You can speak last.

Don't worry well, three D World is, of course a Maine Mario gave. You would have to be associopath to not understand that.

I can't speak loser. I'm sorry.

Okay, So Bowser's theory is the more interesting conversation. I should not already rope down into it. You have no hesitation saying that Bowser's Fury is amazing, but three D World is.

It's correct game.

I think they're both main but Dan really.

I would consider I mean, look, if I was, it's weird because it wasn't a standalone thing. But in spirit, to me, the main line, the three line is moving the series forward. It's that line of like not spin offs and stuff. And I feel like Bowser's theory is the natural evolution of the series post odyssey.

Why is three D World not a good evolution?

That was a sad thing? It's for four players. Look, we've been over this. It's it's not it's part of the.

Three D part of the same thing, four player multiplayer focus. U, you're kind of isometric.

Multiplayer in three D land? What's why is isometric weird? Well, it's just like, it's not the stated it's not the evolution, it's not the next step past out. So things standard but also pushed forward by being different. That's correct.

Well, don galay, Galaxy too. Galaxy Too is main line and that didn't push forward.

That was just an eclus it. So so you can't be an evolution, but it's the line, the main line.

It just goes like this, So here, okay if I so it's kind of down here Mara one two through Superintendent. We got a little bump in the line. Oh yo, she's ying, Okay, gonna keep Oh sixty four, Wow, we're three D Now we're really going up. Oh so he's got a jet pack. Oh no, he's in space and we got gravity. Now he's got a hat.

And now.

I didn't know you're here to speak so eloquently about it. Make a bunch of sounds.

The man he's like, yeah, watch a master. People aren't coming to you for these Yeah. Oh yeah, they're both mainline games about the Fury. I maybe used to be like, I don't know because like the pack in playing it. Now I'm like, no, this is one of them.

Got that hat.

This is just what he's gonna hat.

Now if you say it like well, now he's got a hat, then it sounds like it's important.

It was important. Now he's got a cat suit.

It's so funny, how jovial and chummy these two are in person.

Yes, they're right.

Knives out right now.

I love it because I keep bringing up this thing that I've been proven correct about, and it keeps coming out.

And I were just at the museum where you're proven incorrect. Mode did that twenty years ago, and it was it was mistranslated.

It was twelve years ago. I'm about thirteen year old.

All you asked him about was the Yoshi's Island thing, which we're not even talking about now.

Let's ask Hi about three D World next time I see me about ask about three D World.

You definitely, Dan, Do you really think there is a chance in hell that sha hear me most I say, oh, yeah, that's not a mainline Mario game. Whatever he thinks that means. He's gonna say that's not a real Mario. We've been with everything in the past.

Yeah, yeah, ex what are you.

And every reasons? Weren't his kids anymore? And I do disagree with him about.

That all right. Speaking about Chakerama Mooto next week.

These Mario races, if he still gets away with all this, damn it.

Somebody's got to do something.

Mike, I get shoot worried about you. When you get worked up, sometimes I feel great. Oh wow, definitely are the George of the team. Uh from Seattle. Uh writes in about favorite game directors, Hey duders, first time, long time. I've been thinking a lot about leadership recently and how important it is for games, for any project to have a clear and strong vision and have some someone at the helm who can see it through while also having a keen understanding of limitations. Who is messing with the

Kajimamoto, I really like Sam Lake.

Yeah, I don't think.

I don't know if anybody's infallible. I think everybody making games is so complicated and so dependent a more than one person that everybody could have a disaster in them or a misstep in them, right, I just I do think that there are just personalities that are well suited to it. Like I chatted with Corey baurog Barlow excuse me like an E three way back before that God of Worry boot came in, just like from talking to him, like, Oh, this guy really knows what he's doing. He seems really

Yeah, I think Josh Sawyer recently, you guy that did the New Vegas impentiment and stuff like that. Yeah, sure, after playing Pentiment and kind of like paying attention to much like I allow him on social media. I don't know. It just seems like he has a pretty good idea of like what he wants to make when he starts

Fantastic next email comes from Matt k and this may tickle Mike's fancy here Matt writes in about Star Trek. First off, I fucking love you all. Going through an extraordinary rough patch right now, and every one of you is feeding my heart. Now, why the fuck aren't we drowning in Star Trek game? How has Telltale never taking up the ip. It's just sitting there in RBG, a grid retyle for jan Base tactics game, a city builder, a third person adventure game. Anything, we have nothing. So

You know what's funny is I forget if it was actually tell Tale or of one of those, like many Telltale spinoffs or successors. They made a Start Trek game a couple of years ago. It did not get very much pressed. Oh but that happened, and I heard some people say it's actually good. So look that up if you're interested in that. There's also like a Star Trek four X that happened a little bit ago that also went super under the radar, if it might even be by the stillaries people, right.

So maybe try that.

Star Trek's always been weird because it's such an omnipresent IP and it's a popularp that was a very passionate fan base, but it's never quite popular enough where people want to put like Star Wars Jedi Phone order.

Money into one of those games something like that.

Right, there's like a world where you make a mass effect style game, but it's just a Star Trek EP and it would be incredible, and instead we get, you know, Star Trek as a co op shooter, kind of like Gears of War, which I liked that game no one else, No one else did, though, I.

Want to play that game about the one that you play through with your brother.

Yeah, it's fun and stupid. It's stupid for sure, but it's kind of Yeah, it's kind of fun. I kind of want to go back because there's like say a Genesis and Super Nintendo Star Trek the next generation in the Space nine games play.

Well.

Okay, so I had never seen Star Trek as a kid, but I'd seen all the Star Wars movies, and so I remember I went to my step grandparents house and they had a Super Nintendo and all they had was tiny tuons bust or Bust Loose, which I loved, and these two Star Trek games for Super Nintendo.

One of them was like.

Starfleet Academy or something, and like, not knowing anything about Star Trek, I was like, okay, cool, I've seen space action. This is gonna have laser swords and guns and cool shit. And you play it and like you literally are in like an academy learning how to be a Star Trek guy. And then when you go down on the planet or whatever, you're like walking around to computer terminals and it like

Very confused as a child. And that's the thing with Star Trek.

It's the best when there can't be action in Star Trek, and the movies always beer into that more, but it is usually it's the best when it's not about that.

But that's why a Telltale game actually makes sense for that, because it's like you want to make faced with like challenging choices.

Yeah, yeah, you want to be doing like difficult diplomacy and philosophy and explorations and science stuff, right, Like there's so much too, Star Trek. That's always been difficult to make one kind of game, and they succeeded, right, Like they did make a Star Trek first person shooter, a Star Trek Voyager Elite Force, and it was Raven Software back when they were very good that kind of stuff, right, Like they did Jedi Outcasts and that game rules.

The Leaf Force is fantastic.

You know, it's a shooter, but it's a very fun one with all the Star Trek flavors that it has.

There's good Star Trek games out there.

I don't know if we're ever going to get that kind of ideal, perfect Star Trek game that we've always.

Wont especially right now.

Star Trek's weird because it's both thriving because there's a lot of shows, but also kind of in a weird place. I think that section thirty one movie is going to do poorly. That direct the video one that seems very dark and strange. So I don't know, I used to be such a Star Trek guy.

Friends. Yeah, I kind of maybe need to catch up and get back into it.

Yeah, we Surgeon came out. The Surgeons came out last year.

Oh yeah, just came out last year and I thought I should play it because it is very next generation code. That's definitely what I'm the next generation in Deep Base nine. Those are my big Star Trek highlights.

One day I'll get into track Mike one day.

Yeah, I want to do a D based nine podcast.

Some day.

We can do next generation podcasts that be next generation, next generation.

Oh my god, see Deef's space.

Mitch jan.

Works on that one.

Next email comes from Phil and Calgary. Hey guys, it's a Mount Rushmore dips.

Oh rook, before you do that? Can we do a Star Trek Bridge Creuse stream?

Oh?

Yeah, the VR one.

That game is actually really good. That actually is a very good startup game and one of the best VR games.

Still.

I think we have to like always make Dan the captain and just see what happens. Yeah, it'll go great, it'll go great.

Uh, Barbecue Ranch or one and.

Two barbecue I don't like, but I feel like ketchup has to be there.

No, I barbecue ranch Buffalo.

See, I think of buffalo as like a glaze than a dip.

It can be a glaze, you know, like like what about like a buffalo chicken dip? Right, I don't have that that's a put the chicken.

In the choke dip.

Yeah yeah, French on Cao ranch caso, Buffalo said buffalo, So I mean no, no a buffalo ranch. No sorry, barbecue ranch, Buffalo Caso.

Okay, Queso is a dip. That's a dip.

That's a dip.

I think the rest are sauces. Well you dip you dipping sauces though, yeah sure, but but but but if you're staying the mountain rushmore of dips and you put up a bunch of saucers, like.

When you get nuggets, they ask you, like what dips you want, and you get the sauce I want.

I think Okay, hummus is a dip. Yes, okay, I think Lolcamole is up there for sure. Okay, salsa.

No chunks, no, I mean no chunks, of course it didn't no no, no, no no.

With with salsa.

I just put my chip in there. And if you don't get a curved chips, like, fuck it up. Just get a straight chip. You dip it in and you just want red wet, you don't want chunks.

I hate everything. He just said. French onion dip is can we get that one on the never try to.

Should we just try and like bring everyone together? Seven layer dip?

Never try to? Never tried. There's too many. There's some weird stuff.

And I like lasagna, but Lasia repeats layers, right, I think those are seven unique layers.

In that I'm not trying seven.

If you throw like a little bit of herbs and ranch, you can call it a ranch dip. So I'm willing to like getran ranch dip.

Yeah, but rich always has herbs and were talking about.

Right, I know, but there's like for the ranch dip. There's just they put more herbs in there. Mike, I don't know what you want from it. But I don't know what you want from it. It's just that they should be disqualified to this conversation. And everyone loved keso, so there are a lot of stuff out of this ebo and.

I have been unimpressed.

Pass fail brother, that's.

That and everything.

Okay, I guess the different schools in Kansas.

Dan, you can definitely help out with his next email. Okay, this comes from Daniel from Long Beach. Hey, dudeers, it's my fortieth birthday next month, and I want to go to Disneyland and eat the foods I'm local, so I know my way around. We're good on that. My girlfriend and I want to Disney bound. So my question is what characters should we dress as if you.

Have time functioning an adult, functioning adult in society.

Just the guy who has to dip his chip into the salsa, right, doesn't get the chunks and weird, that's what adult.

I literally get extra chunky salsa.

Wow.

Does that have extra red wet, isn't it?

Yeah? Where is your red wet isle? Can you show me where the.

Chunks to get to the red wet? You don't get red wet without the chunks. You just don't eat the chunks. It's like the skin on the.

Bree Oh my god, what wait the wax? I don't really.

Oh, here's delicious cheese in the middle surrounding poison. No, that's not you could eat that ride It's fine.

Red Wedding is my favorite Game of Thrones episode, by the way. Yeah, if you have the time, here's some characters we've already dressed up as. Captain Bucky Kyle Ren and Captain FAsMA, a hitchhiking ghost and hat box ghosts Mollficent and Dragon Mollificent. Love you guys and Dan definitely had the neurovirus at the end of last year, and not just some bad poops.

No one around.

We got sick and I ate a vat of weird meat and cheese. Thanks doctor, Doctor Disney bounding.

Uh, Mike, you got any suggestions?

Yeah? Uh Daniel Hay, mister Lee from Long Beach. Uh, God me gosh, there's so many possibilities. I think all the record ralph ones are always kind of cute, right, Uh, Venolope and Record Ralph even when they get fixed. Felix in there, you do Felix.

No, you should do Record Ralph and Captain Felix because they are actually in a relationship not very healthy, and record Ralph there? I like it.

Get weird? Do some Uh what would be a good? Like more obscure one? I mean at which the most.

Racist Didney character goes that, Yeah, is there a song of the South one?

Yeahs over great?

Yeah, okay, a big hit?

Yeah, I would, I would. I would advise against it. Actually, Sonny Eclipse and Instruments as always go.

As the rescuers. The two mice that's solved.

Their names are Bernard and miss Bianca.

Okay, I'm sorry. Says Ja Ja gavor yeh uh Eva Gabor is John.

I think that's I think that's Josh, and I.

Think no, we got it now with Bernard and miss Bianca. That's that's that's the correct answer.

Good job, Jen, All right, there we go. Uh. Nextxt email comes from Pat in Quebec uh and Pat writes in about GDC, which is coming up. Pat writes, Dearest members of the Large Explosive Clan, I'll be going to GDC in San Francisco for the first time, and I'm looking for tips from local for some locals. What does he quit? Essentially San Francisco thing to experience for someone who will be there for a couple of days, Sea lions, floating prisons, quaint neighborhoods. I'm also a coffee weirdo. I

I was thinking about that. Was that the game where when they announced it, the guy was like I crying because.

Of Like, no, you're thinking if you're thinking of Nate Fox during the infamous Second Sun reveal, okay from Sucker Right.

Yeah, yeah, I think this guy just came out. It was very intense about private security and stuff like that and your public yeah, your public presence online. So okay, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I don't know. Hey, playing Watch Ducks too though, playing a game before you're going to the city, that is a good move.

That was the That was one of the only times.

It was the first time I was playing a game in the city I was living in, because I remember watching Talking Out while I lived there, and the same thing with Spider Man, Marvel Spider Man when I lived in New York, and like that one.

You can imagine that happens to me every day with Cleveland.

Oh, it was like World War two in the mid the World War everywhere games.

Yes, I may regret offering this, but if you are going to GDC I don't know if I can just blindly throw in Tam and Lucy into this, but I will guide a tour group around, Oh my god, Jan and we will go around and have a fun time. We'll just consider it like a Giant Bomb community meet up. If you're going to GDC, all right, if you already live in the Bay Area, get fucked, okay, and I'm gonna take you to my favorite places, which are not

Baby, Tommy's joint, Tommy Tommy's joint.

That's awesome, right, Yes, get some Tommy's rum punch Jeffortaria style meat.

Just yeah. Are you gonna go to the Walt Disney Family Museum?

Yeah you go, okay?

Well, Contraz is cool.

Alcatraz is cool. Makes you think of the rock Yeah, Honestly, the faery building is very pretty. You should go there.

Yeah, exactly, the cheesecake factory that Jeff and I like.

Yeah, I guess you can go there. You know you have to. Yeah, Okay, I'll show you a good time. I'll show you good time.

I'll come up.

If you don't want to join the jam tour group at GDC this year, I'll make an excel sheet have some fun places for you to go to, and I'll include if you don't drink or smoke or want to have a fun time. All right. Last email of the show comes from Jordan Jay from Chicago.

Folks, you're gonna skip this email where so once they fuck with you? To me, that's the most that's nicest, same thing that ever said. You don't have to read it. I'm just joking. Please keep going, all right.

Well, Alison from Alabama had said in their email, PS, Jeff Grubb, I fuck with you.

Yeah, let's go Allison?

All right?

Uh, Like you read the PPS on that one real quick too.

PPS.

I can never remember how to pronounce ahago, so I just pronounce call it asciago instead.

Thank you.

I read that.

I was like, this is important, It's really good.

Uh. First off, Jan, Nikki and Tam y'all good after hearing you explain yadada mean to the rest of the crew, I was concerned for the level of whiteness and your surroundings. These words I am not allowed to say parentheses. Fellas are so translucent you can see the mayo they ate for lunch.

All right, Lauram, Yeah.

Nikki is the only one that can say that word. They're saying it in chat.

Uh.

They got you playing frisbee golf. Yet I'm trying to see some brown activities in this bush, and I mean, what call that hockey shit?

Agreed?

Anyways, I rank them based on whiteness, Oh sweet. Number four Jeff Grubb is so white. He is down nothing better than his self aware white. He's a neighbor that winds up at cookouts and birthday parties. We need Jeff Grubbs.

Yeah, that's happened for sure.

Number three Mike Manatti is so white it's cute. He can't help it and he can't deny it. Real talk. Do he like chocolate? Because I see my man laid up with a beautiful black queen passa to each other a top of a lotta bed sheets.

Hell, yeah, black folks, that's pretty good.

Yeah. Black folks love Italian food and they'll eat that Disney bullshit up too. I'm trying to get my boy. I'm trying to see my boy get Hella Nasty and add Mike Methadi to the aliases.

Oh fuck, I just read the next one.

I have to die Number two Jeff Baklar coworker number one. They bespelt your name Dan Dan Riiker. Shit, I don't know, man. There's so many dance stories he tells, and not even halfway through I think I would have been shot. He is the type of guy to go to the South Side and either get his pockets ran or escorted out of the hood by a top hitter. Dude is white Jesus with severe ADHD. You'll either bring forth doom incarnate or trip into the solution to the world's many issues.

Chicago, Jordan Jay, you have just crushed it.

You take Look.

Mike can't say his favorite rapper is Lynn Manuel Miranda and not definitely.

Jo said that not that, buts and cracks.

Uh labar what Lamar?

Lamar Lamar?

Who almost said Kyle Lamar?

Kendrick lamarck.

This I regret trying to defend him. Sorry, everybody you like.

Oh man, oh my god, I'm it's cute. It is now my dream to make Mike Manati's description happen.

Yeah, I want this to be real.

It's good.

Yeah. God, remind us to when we do our our catch up with the with the Jeff backlaw on voicemail dump truck. We got to remind him of what is the co worker. I don't get the coworkers, like if you have a black friend and they think of their the white co worker as just coworker.

I was wondering if there's more to it than that. Okay, it's just that.

Yeah, okay, okay, No, he is coworker and I've gone on with my life now.

Man.

Yeah, yeah, oh boy, thank you Jordan for for a fantastic email. Oh god, thank god I wasn't lumped in with the whites. I want to know where Lucy ranks on this list. Frankly, Oh yeah, bumps it up right right? Yeah, it's a different kind though, right, different kind.

Different more white than white. Yeah, it's weird.

I haven't been shot more.

Yeah all right, Uhanta white, Yes, thank you, signed Guy Bovesy. That's what she waits.

Is there no white?

No, it's not no, it's like instead of vanta black, which is like that black, the blackest black color that they've ever created. Yeah, Fanta white.

Oh man. I like, I don't know if y'all ever came across this on TikTok, but there was a hot minute where uh, there were these before and after photos of like before my black girlfriend or before my black wife, and it was generally a glow up because a white dude would just go from schlubby to having style and god damn do I need to see there with Mike

So someone did mentioned having Mike recreate those scenes, so we can just have them do that for you and you can splice those in, oh boy, and.

Then speaking about Blake Club tomorrow, Dan, you got a new blight.

I'm holding Drake of the ninety nine Dragons game. I've never played. I have never seen an action. I've heard it's great, So I don't know why we picked it for this or why Alex Navarro picked it, grub.

I got a wig in the mail, Is that all I need?

No?

There should be like a leather duster coming as well. Then you need to wear oh and a let's call it a shirt. Yeah, I guess that's what it is, a shirt, and then there should wear the leather pants that you had for termin it term donator.

Okay, if they do not arrive today or tomorrow, should I just do leather pants.

In the wig and get moving?

Yeah?

Okay, yeah, well keep what's holding up the mail?

There?

What's going on?

It should be like I ordered it right away all the same time there today.

No matter what, we will start this tomorrow. I could wear the terminator jacket needed. Uh so yeah, that is starting tomorrow. And then once I'm done with this game, I'm off Blake Club playing duties for a full go round. I think we're doing the biking round right after that.

Right.

Also, stay tuned this week beat for BCR. We will be doing twenty twenty five Fantasy Critic Draft with the whole gang who won.

Twenty four.

Records were lost. There was a fire.

How did I know? Wait?

How was it that Mike won a one off stream and got to give us all punishments? And I want a year long battle and I got nothing?

Okay, you're not wrong. We definitely need to find something that the winner should get.

It's just not.

Retroactively like a get out of jail free cart, no club.

It's just a dumb thing you said.

No, I mean for last year, like a retroactive like I need. I need just Benmomi, are you gonna.

Gave up? But just money?

Uh? Also, Dan, I think you were the one that decided we should give out punishments.

So yeah, and I stand by that, But I should have won something. Oh Jeff, what are you playing Griffin Dango?

Yeah? I got it downloaded. I want to stream it. I do, so I will have to find time to do that. I'll probab. I'll probably try to start.

This week though.

That would be excellent.

Cool Okay, Well, yet, love folks should have lost it sounds.

Fun, folks. That does it for this week's BombCast. Despite the state of the world being on fire, know that we are here for you, trans writes, God damn it, We'll see a week four another episode of the Giant bombcas. I've been Jan, he's been Jeff, he's been Dad, he's been biking. You at home, I've been doing Okay, go drink some water, but go outside, Go learn a trade, perhaps, go.

Contribute to the world in a positive way. Punch someone in the face that should be punched, not just cuz all right.

Also, don't don't.

Report Chris Manatti.

He's a father. Goddamn it.

Yeah, leave him alive, leave him alone.

Fine, I was joking that did it happen?

Oh, there you go. He was joking.

Counselor, coworker, coworker,