827: REVENGEANCE

Happy Valentine's Day. It's a couple of days late, but it's okay. It's fine. We're on the internet. Time doesn't matter. Welcome to the Giant BombCast, Episode eight hundred and twenty seven, BombCast Revengeance. That is that's right, Scout, let's go damp stumble all right, Okay, Scott, it's okay, Sorry, we'll calm down here. Well, can you Scout? Got mad that you blew those petal leaves all over the place? Is that what that was? Exactly? I was trying to do a nice

thing earlier in the week. I made like a bunch of little paper confetti, and then she did not like me. She still did not like it. Can't trust it, can't trust it, can't trust it. Welcome to the Giant BombCast Revengeance eight hundred and twenty seven, powered by Ensist. I'm your host, Jana Cholla, joining me as always co Captain of the Ship and master of Romance, Jeff Grubb. Yeah, come in, lean An, let me give you a smooch. That's what romance is all about.

The smooching. That's what I'm in it for. And I'm happy to report I've gotten smooches in my life. Jan happy to be here. Happy to have you here, sir, And I'm also happy to have the arbiter of smooches on this website. He's not here all the time, but he's ready to authorize the smooch when he has to, like Minatti, smoochie, smooch. I'm a smoochin all right, okay, and happy to have him. Hear his He's gracing us with his presence here to announce the new type of

Pokemon, which is actually the love Pokemon. Jordan Midler, Hello, John, how are you finally made it off the substitutus bench of Games Mass morning? And I'm on the real show. I'm on the main event. I am thanka doing with this guy the story thing up. I did notice that when I asked you here, you immediately were like yes, And like when I ask you you on game last morning, You're like, I'll get back

to you in like seven days. You always ask anything. You always ask me on my day off, and I'm always doing something or other, but I come through for you. Whatever you do, come through. Jordan, did you know that we kind of look alike? No? I mean, according to Jeff jobs actual children. I am a Mike Manorthy, so I've been more honored in my life to be called such bald men are. Yeah, it's like it's like, you know, you get your regular dig lit and then an a Loland dig Lit. It's like, yeah, it looks

the same, it's a little bit different. Jordan's aloan dig Lit middler. That's why they call me. Oh god, could someone please photoshop Mike Dan Reikert and Jordan Midler's gun tree or whatever the hell that is throwing Chris uh As Well, yeah, there you go, Jordan. I'm happy to have you here, sir. I realized I don't know if you and I have had had like many extended conversations, because sometimes when you're on game mess I will just talk to you while I'm sitting here at my computer and be like,

yeah, a good one, Jordan, Yeah nice. Or I'll pull up your news story and be like that's a good story, Jordan. John. When I'm on games mest morning, I'll wait for the forty five minute mark where you and Mike show up, and I'm like, right now I can talk to someone. Jeff can continue talking to himself. That show is just him talking and me going, yeah, you're right, Jeff, You're right. You're very smart, and I like you get it. That's why

you keep get invited back. But when you guys show up as a party, Jordan, for the folks that may not be familiar, tell the folks at who you are and where what you do on the internet. I am Jordan Medler. I am a writer over at VGC. You might know us from all of the news on every website and the entire internet, and that's mostly my boss is doing Andy Robinson. But yeah, I'm over there causing

trouble, making kids cry bro. I'm I'm the one that will say something on Twitter and immediately get a message on Slack being like that's not really VEGC brand. Can you stop making it? Man, I'm gonna drag you into more fights on Twitter. I'm up for it. I'm well up for it. But you know we've got to do it well. Anty's sleeping, you

know, Joan. I have a question when did you guys become all of the news Because I was like early on, I'm like, oh, this site's actually useful for video game news, and I was like all aboard immediately as soon as I started saying it, and now it is like everyone's adopted that as well. It's like this is we got one video game news website we don't need anymore. Yeah. Andy Robinson's a bit of a machine.

Like he did Ceveg, which was an old It was a British magazine that became a website that the bastards that Future Publishing shut down with very little fanfare. Andy then went dev side for a while. He helped make Ukulele and worked at Bamco for a while, and then he was like, fuck this noise. We need we need a website that's like somewhere between urogamer and gi dot bez in terms of the tone, in terms of when where the news

is coming from. And since then he's just been fighting out scoops and then eventually he was like, we need an idiot to review all of these games. And that's where anytime that grub is out for the BombCast and I have to go assemble the news, I pretty much just go to and then like for a spy, spicy life and variety, I'll be like, all right, let's go everywhere else. Okay, who are you blessing? I O Junior from kind of funny. This is a call out post man. Sorry

fights. Blessing is man man. I love blessing to death. That Greg Mallard though, God sorry, I'm sorry to catch up the blessing on that tech and eight ladder. I see his name up ahead. I'm getting there. I'm coming for you, Blessing. I don't care how good you're of that Victor. We should. We should see you guys fight. We should during the review period. I'm blessing kick the shout out at me taking so much that I electrially text him and I was like, oh, yeah,

I've got to go and do other stuff. I had nothing else to do. I was just good. Good move though. That was a good move. Yeah, I was blessing. Gonna know, yeah, exactly, Jordan. I do have another question, why did you delay the switch to because you don't deserve it. You've just been complaining. You've been complaining. You say this new Mario and Donkey Kong game is a lot of shite. That's why you don't get Oh that was dead. Yeah, we'll get into it.

But it seems like the Big End was not super confident in its first party lineup for this year, which probably means that that three D Mario wasn't ready, so when that's ready, we'll get switch too. And these whispers have been kind of going about in the in the professional circles for a few days. Jeff was was all, this the first you've heard of it? Or you know, I started hearing a little bit, but it was from people I hadn't heard from before, so it was like, I'm like,

I don't know. And it was like with the direct happening, I was getting a lot of like extra stuff that it's hard to sort, like sort through, So like I'll check on that in a couple of days and see if that's still happening. Turns out, yeah, everyone's been hearing about it, so it's a bad scene. It seemed like so inevitable at this point, like it seemed like the whole industry had just decided that it was going

to happen. We heard about a reveal and things like that, but no, it seems Nintendo the Z when we all wanted to zag and Mike, where'd you think that's that puts a reveal that is an early twenty twenty five thing though, I mean that's the thing because the rumor was next month and it's like, well that seems pretty early now to do a reveal for this system. Yeah, ahole year ahead of time. I mean what I think, what I really want to know now and other people is so, what's

gonna come out for the Switch this year? Then? I know the Peach game? Yeah, Like seriously, okay, look just tell me. Then it's Mtroy Prime for still a Switch one game? Is that a holiday game for you? Look? They can find things to still make a decent lineup this year. From kind of the box of scraps. It's going to be remake heavy for sure, probably port heavy things like a Pokemon remake of some kind that fire on them, remake that we know they've been working on I

think. I mean, you still have gamest and other Metroid Prime games that you could port, so there's stuff that they can do. But it does seem like we're probably, in terms of first party games, in line for the weakest maybe week is a bad word, but maybe slowest and least exciting

release of first party Nintendo games in a while. I mean, I'll repeat the rumor I heard about Metro Prime Ford that I said on the show last night, Mike, and that's that the people like some people involved say there were assets being made with a delivered date of around May of twenty twenty four, which suggested me that the game was always going to be in a showcase

around June, so the June direct Who knows if that changed that. This is something I've heard quite a while ago, which but I think they probably do have Metro Prime four on which one for this year at this point. If the switch to is really first quarter next year, that seems completely reasonable at this point. Yeah, they put a Metroid Prime and it runs like absolute shat, and then when the console comes out, it's like, oh, this is how it was supposed to run all along. Like I think

if you get a Metroid, you get a Pokemon remake. Like it's not going to be a super strong holiday, But do any of the three have a super strong holiday? Like what are we really looking at? I mean, I guess yes, Microsoft, My they're gonna have Indiana Jones and some other saying so yeah, yeah, Indiana Jones is like December, so that feels like it's primed for a delay. So I'm like trying not to get my hopes up for Indy, But you're right, if that does come out.

That does make it look like and it's decent. That's a pretty good holiday. But uh yeah, it just feels like a transition year. In the middle of a generation for two of the consoles and at the end of another console. So it's fair that they're in a transition period. But yeah, I mean, Nintendo's in a place where they can afford to delay a console launch until they're ready. Right, the Switch is doing great, so why rush it? It's better. It's better than them rushing it, right,

because we don't need that. We don't need the console to come out and be like, oh, where's the software. It'd be better if they wait for the games. It is going to be yeah, yeah, no, that's right. It's it's just going to be a little bit weird, I think because the Switch is starting to feel old, and it is is old. It just is, and I think it's part of It's my fault. I was really rapping myself up, like I am ready definitely were talking

about it's like, oh, I'm feeling nostalgic about the Switch. I was like, go and play some old games because you know, of course the Switch two is coming, and there's just a partments like oh, a whole other year probably still huh hm. Man, I didn't want to believe it when I like, when this stuff was coming to me, where I was like, man, even that first story breaking, I'm like, oh, maybe I didn't read it yet and then got done with our show earlier and

it's like nope, yeah, everyone's confirming this. I'm like, Okay, it's real. The son of a business. Do y'all think, though, like the the four plus Microsoft games that may be coming out eventually to the Nintendo Switch, PlayStation five or whatever will breathe a little bit more extra life into the Nintendo Switch. I don't. I don't think as much as anything

else. I mean, look, it's nice. I don't think assuming these four games are Petiment, Hi Fi, Rush, Grounded, and cecause I don't think any of those are going to be like some momentous thing on Nintendo Switch. It's going to be nice to have on there, for sure, and I'm glad those games will reach new people, but you know, it's it's definitely something you'll scoff at it, but you know it's it's definitely not

as good as one New Mario game. This does mean, though, that if they are able to like cobble together a pretty decent number of releases this year for the Switch. That thing probably does end up catching up to the PS two. Now, that seems pretty reasonable. Kind of that matters, Like I don't know why I care. I just think it's an interesting thing that could happen. Bollatro is coming out on the Nintendo Switch. Everyone letting y'all know, by the way, about that Xbox thing. I'm losing my

mind a little bit on that about you know, other people. We're saying, hey, the Xbox is gonna start releasing more games than other platforms, and everyone starts freaking out, its drawing their own conclusions about what that means,

like Xbox is out of the console business. And then they make a video and they say we're going to release more games than other platforms, and the big takeaway from a lot of people seems to be like, well, this is why you can't trust rumors or sometimes honestly, sometimes I get mad, specifically, well, wow, this way you can't trust Jeff Grubb, And then I get mad and then they bring up like wood Waker from three years ago, which was my fault, and get I get kind of shoot

hot on just behalf about it. It is like it's been an annoying one, especially with the director, to where people are like, yeah, this is like he's covered his ass when he says it was it's getting delayed from this day, and I'm like, I never said it was the fifteenth. I said maybe, but I might know, And it's like, but yeah, the thing of course I come out and say, hey, I heard it. It might get delayed because of the Xbox thing. That is something

I heard. So it just kind of looks that way if you've only half heard everything, which is of course what most people are. They're in that situation where they just kind of half hear these rumors. They're not listening to the primary source of like our show or whatever. So yeah, it's frustrating.

But I have, like every time this has happened this week, like like I go see out there like kind of get I'm like, he's saying exactly what I'm thinking, and I'm like, I just got to stand back and recognize that these people are fighting or imagining a version of me that isn't real. It's a character in their head that says these things I never actually said. I just like it's maybe it is real. Maybe it's out there

and they're manifesting of a different version of you right now. Shit, I don't know, like even like you know, like like you know, you said, hey, they're taught a buck years of War, So what you say is they're they're considering Gears of War even this way, people are like years of Jeff Grubb says Gears of War is coming to PlayStation. It's just like not what he said. Yeah, I remember seeing that that float around, and I'm like, when did he say that? Like I've seen them

all day to day podcast on night. That's how you don't know when when the pop up. You're like, he said it on the March of the Friends and I was like, okay too, that makes it sound dumb. It's Last than the ten Dogs a very cool name. Yeah, I came up that podcast. That's a high quality. Yeah. I literally did do four podcasts on Tuesday that was messed up. You're insane. I don't know. I forgot. It was like I was doing sports with with remap and

then that night I forgot. We were also recording Columbros after Less than ten Dogs, so I'm like, oh my god, this is a long night. We got through it. We did good. How do you enjoy the sports? It was good, It was great. Those guys are awesome to talk to. Turns out, Patrick Kleppik and Robs at me very good at podcasting those boys on what they're doing. Yeah, they know what they're doing. Ye. All right? Uh? Anyone to have any games they would

like to talk about? And by anyone, I mean Jordan, do you have any games you want to chat about? Crew here? Oh? Well, all those games I'd love to talk about. Brother. Let me tell you something, guys, we're not even supposed to confirm we have that game we have. We're supposed to be careful. That demo though very good, though unrelated to what we were just talking about. Yeah that's what you're talking about, Yes, bro, I'm talking about Hell Divers. Hell Divers as

Hell is the is the game over the century in my opinion. Like I finally got to download it and play through that start bit and I was like, this is this is so funny, and this is clearly made by people that absolutely hate Americans. You've got to love that, and the American military industrial complex is gets shot on constantly, and I'm like, yes, what a game. But Yeah, that is very good. I want to play

more of that I've got. I've still got the last couple of things in like a Dragon to Do, I've got more three I want to play like shit is just going but I want to go play. I have played fifty five hours of Suicide Squad, and I want to play more of it. So I want to play more suicides. I think you found the right place to talk about Suicide Squad fifty five hours. Listen. I thought it would be fun for like ten, Wow, how is she still fun in fifty

five? Oh? Man? It's like it's just like you know when you find like a snack or a sweet or something that when you go to the shops, you don't have to think about what you're gonna get. You're just like that's that's a banker. It's never gonna be a ten out of ten. It's like it's like a solid, consistent restaurant. But it is like a really good bag of Doarita was hitting when you were having a Colorado night. Yeah, it's exactly as bad and as good as as every other time.

And just I like the way the guns shoot in that game. I apologize. The guns feel nice and just there's something about the speed at what you're in and out of objectives. Excellent. This is like, this is like the division affication of all games, and I welcome more of it. Which the characters? Do you like this? Because I'm a big fan of anybody with a jet pack, so I kind of like dead Shot. I have played almost exclusively Harley Quinn, and it's not just because I'm a pervert.

I just think her her stuff working for me. Yeah, I'm on both sides of that camp. I am a perv and I do like how she controlled Mike real quick. I mean, did you see those the Mandalorian game news where they they're like making a Response making a Star Wars first person shooter, which we already knew they confirmed that publicly, but yeah, now it's like, hey, it's gonna it's gonna be a jetpack game. You're gonna be able to run around with that. Is that exciting for you?

Oh? That's incredibly exciting for me. Can you tell me about this game a lot of time ago to oh? Yes, yes, long all the time ago. Yeah, but again they did confirm that respond was making a Star Wars first person shooter, but yeah, it is a very like fast, fast paced, mobility based game. It's going to be a respawn first person shooter. So pretty cool. I played Vanquish for the first time not

long ago. Oh you should take some those from that. I was talking to you grub about Vanquish, right, you were like, just like yesterday, you were like, I mean, I want to play Vanquish again. I'm like a fun game. You know what, It's a four hour game, isn't that kind of amazing? Rules? Yeah? I love that. You know what game? I wish. I wish I was playing right now after learning about it about an hour ago. Oh yeah, I think I didn't know about this. I knew somebody was making like a Zoda CDI.

It's bier game. I watched you play this on on professional Fridays. Were you there from the beginning? Mic? Wow, Yes, I the developer, Yes, CD I like CD se ed y Oh, I guess that. I thought that was a goof Yeah. No, yeah, that's how they spelled the name of it because it's CD I. Yes, it's really good. I've barely ever played those games. I think about those Zoda CDI games constantly. I made YTM and d's about the Zoda cd I games.

Okay, that's my problem. So god, they just absolutely like forget about nailing the assignment. I have never seen anybody pick an assignment for themselves and then nail it like they're fucking Martin Luther about to do a reformation, like absolutely killing it with what they set out to do. Like you're at forest level and like the perspective on the top of the trees is all fucked up. It's stuff. The bad animation is wonderful. Oh my god, I love it. I'm so happy for you, Mike play this game. I've

I've already reached out and begged for a code. I'll take twenty bucks if I have to. But this looks like my jam one million. I was having so much bud just watching you play this game. It was like surprisingly

more fun than I was even expecting. Obviously, the cut scenes they're going for what the CDI Zelda game cut scenes are, which is like this really unhinged animation style that the weird way the characters like move like there's a weird physical camera, right, It's not like it's not like cell animated, right, It's like they are doing every hand frame freehand. So it's like they're just going for it. They're like not anchored to any reality. That's great.

And then like you know, the postal, the platforming and the fighting. It's but it's not like so bad that it's on fun and it's kind of bad in a charming way. And then like oh, I'm like, oh, I know what to do with this, so I'll just go to town and get that thing, come back here, solve this puzzle. And it's sort of like low stakes that enables to be like, Okay, well, I know when I get through this, I'm probably gonna meet some other

new freak that's gonna be an awesome new cut scene. And that's like really keeping me going. So I was I was having a surprise and the good time with it. We played it for almost an hour, Yeah, got pretty close to an hour of that, and we didn't intend to play it for that long, and I think we were just like all into it. So it's so wild, like how the original Zelda CDI games looking how they captured the year and like, to be clear, if you weren't there,

it's not like oh that age badly. I remember being at best Buy at the CDI demo station. It's seeing that when it was due it like you know, I was a kid. It's still was like, what the fuck is it? This is wild? Right? Who? Like? This is like? At that point, I'm like, I think I started learning about like a Chinese knockoffs. I'm like, is this some like someone stole the IP and did this? It's like, no, this was fully licensed.

It was wild. I did run a poll to see if the chat new about your themannowdog dot com, and about one third of people do not know what that is. So that's what we're dealing with these days. OK, that's alright, Okay, that was very early, like user created the proto web two point zero stuff hymn d uh something I've been playing before we get to our hot topic here, unless anyone else has anything else up to bring.

I mentioned during the bomb cast that it's rumored the Pokemon Worlds will be heading to San Francisco in twenty twenty five, twenty six, twenty six, twenty six. Oh, I got plenty of time to train then, and then I I downloaded. I downloaded those good old Pokemon because I hadn't really done competitive that much in uh or VGC the Pokemon Old Testament. Yeah, yeah, uh, Scarlett Violet, Scarlet Violet, and then uh, you

know, I hop on the ladder. I just get a hot rental team, you know, from one of my favorite Poka Tube, and I'm like, all right, all right, I'm maxin and relaxing. And then it kind of it opened up to me that I think dynamaxing may have been Dynamaxing from Sword and Shield may have been the best and worst competitive mechanic gimmick in competitive Pokemon. Z moves they're okay, Mega evolution, they're okay. I really like to rastalizing my Pokemon, But like dynamaxing, it's like, okay,

you're useful for three turns and then you're gone. Yeah. I think that the dynamaxon stuff is interesting because I watch a lot of like competitive Pokemon. I refuse to call it VGC for branding reasons. Oh of course, the dynamax in kind of it was really interesting at the start of Scarlett and Violet, just how much it threw everyone off because obviously it adds kind of

endless permutations. But I think people are getting pretty comfortable with it, and considering this is very likely to be a longer than traditional cycle for Scarlet and Violet being the primity game, I think people are mostly happy with it, like and especially in terms of the I talk to some people that play the competitive and they don't have the they don't have the lst of issues they usually have. It's like a post note of issues, not like a comedy scroll,

a christianicho scroll of issues. So, yeah, how are you getting on? What's the metal looking like the now? So I forget the specific rule set that they have announced now, but there are legendaries allowed. And let me tell you, Hifu the water type is dominating these. Really, every single game I go into there is an Ershifu doing surging strikes and I'll have like a focus band and it's like, Okay, everyone has you, everyone's using you the same way, yet I'm still losing to you, even

though I know how to anticipate for it. Now. God, oh, flutter Main is all so everywhere Jordan. It is like setting everything up. Flutter means an interesting one and the end an upcoming trading card game set. There is a special flutter Main card that was drawn by the artist from Breath of the Wild, so that would be a oh, that would be a nice one. I'm sorry, I don't know their name. They just go buy artists from Breath of the Wild in my opinion, right, they probably

appreciate that. But John, I'm going to the EU, I see in London and April, So why don't you come over? Come on? Just why really? This website can justify it? Come on? Yeah, we said Dan to Fargo. We could send me to Europe, right, Come on. The other Pokemon that's a dominating the charts right now. Jordan is for Rigger raff. Oh yeah, and guys are all just constantly so close to saying a slur. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean that's what Pokemon is. It's all just a series of slurs, you

know, like all that Giganta Max and z move. That stuff really threw me off, even when it was just the Mega evolution. I never liked Boom or Alert. Look, I just don't was like, what what is all this shit? What like there's gotta be some stupid gimmick that has some overly long animation frame when it's always just I don't know. I hated all that crap that never did anything for me. I'd be so happy if the next Pokemon doesn't have to have some other new bullshit gimmick thing like it's still

going to have them and the last one. But but Mike, what if you summon your Pokemon and then it has like a crystal hat of like a balloon? Yeah, stupid, bad, dumb hate it. What if I gave you a crystal hat of a balloon? Everything should look like CDI games. That's the only thing I like now, Okay, all right, I don't think I can do that. But someone else can do that, Tim Tweeney, he's working on it. Anyone else playing anything they'd like to chat

about before we get to the hot topic. It's more like a Dragon in Blotcha. Actually, Jordan, you mentioned you got a few things to clean up in Like a Dragon. I just want to ask you, how about how many hours did you put into Like a Dragon? Oh Jesus Christ. I think by the time I reviewed it, I was out like sixty or something like that. Okay, and I've maybe forty Yeah, I've maybe chucked

like twenty or thirty. Subsequently, it's hard to judge the amount of time you spend playing a game for review, because like, some of that will be playing it like a normal person, and some of it will be like speed run strategies where you're just going A to B missing all that shit that you would like to do but you physically cannot. Although should say that gives a lot of time with that, it was just a busy January. So yeah, that's a hot ass game. I really hope that doesn't get forgotten

when we get done to get time. No, I think it's gonna be just fine. Yeah. I feel like you could repush that game out during the summer with some DLC because of the Hawaii setting and like oh summer vacation. Yeah, the Hawaii stuffs hilarious because I had I had a friend who was wanting to do some coverage of it, just like get some videos like decking around Hawaii and they're like, oh yeah, when do you get to that point? It's like, as like eight hours in the game, You've

got a lot of game to play before you get there. It's like such a hard thing to tell to people too. It's like this game rules. It's like, well, what does it get star arted? Okay about that? Do you mean that get started? Yeah? Yeah, what do you mean starting? Yeah? Because even when you get to Hawaii, it takes a while to get started from there. It's so good. It's just so fun. Yeah, I like that game Aton. Yeah, I think Like a Dragon has kind of broken me on like JRPG combat, which I love

and I hate anyway, but they should more more. JRPGs should be like this in terms of their combat. This is just really really good stuff. Yeah. Maybe I'd like that one game that everyone liked last year that I hated, Mike, Well, you stars see of Thieves, that JRPG classic. All right, Jordan, we have you on VCR today because today's hot topic is inspired by you and you had posited on Gay Mess Mornings this week.

Is cloud Strife a popular character? And I've assembled, with the help of the Internet, twenty five options here whether or not cloud Strife is popular. Gonna go through these twenty five We can discuss and deliberate as much as we want, or it can just be a quick answer. But ultimately, Jordan, we will defer to you whether or not we will give you ultimate power here, whether or not cloud Strife is more popular? Did we fight a war so they wouldn't hold over? You're in the clear this time,

Okay, So I oh god, what the fuck? Oh You're smearing all right, well and jamming bye bye. I can't feel it, John, It's this is set up to a dummy battery. I don't know what's going on anyway. Anyway, all right, you heard you heard me, Mike. Anyway, first pairing here is is cloud Strife more popular than Miles Tail's power? Well, at least you look alike. The similar we really have to establish are we talking? Is this well the man on the street and

know who these people are? Or is it if you get a room fill of a housing gamers, who are we voting for us? Like that? That's what's difficult here. It's so different when compared to like my mom versus like even like an average ish gamer. Right, but even then I think I, let's say average purely purely because of like the film. I think Tales like absolutely sweeps this unfortunately, because I hate the Sonic Extended Universe and all that sale within it. But I think the Tales does when Tales was

the first one, He's fine, right, everybody likes Tales like. Nobody has a problem with Tales. I actively dislike Tales. I actively disliked that. I'm right now, I am telling you that I actually dislike Tales, oh Man, not me. I remember Sonic Tuesday. I remember seeing Tales Are the first time and being like what six or seven, thinking well, this is the greatest character I have ever seen. I was a younger brother. So I guess you played as Tales a lot. Okay, yeah,

that's hard. I think. I don't know, Jeff, what do you think I mean? If yeah, again it's tough man on the street, it's gonna be Tails. And I mean I mean, if you if you stick within, like hey, somewhat savvy audience, I think it's also probably still Tales. I think there'll be a lot of people in that savvy audience who like Cloud more. But yeah, everyone's gonna know whose Tails is. There might be some people like I don't, I don't play NERD RPGs.

Even then, obviously they're probably gonna know Cloud is. But Tails is just even a little bit more famous. All Right. The next uh person we're comparing Cloud to character, we're comparing Cloud too is Steve from like Steve Clears. I'm afraid Steve absolutely clear. Oh yes, come on, no, make don't say that I know the name. I think you I think because if you say Okay, well what name these characters? It's gonna be Cloud.

I don't think that's true for like most of the people that are still alive today, Like I think you get a certain age bracket and it's it's every way. And look, Minecraft obviously has been played by way more people than again, like, do do all these kids really go? Like? Yeah, and I love Minecraft? Steve. Yeah, Minecraft, Steve. I don't believe you is a Lethoro meme. Why do you think people were like crying in common when they finally came into Smash Brothers. It was like

the biggest thing ever. Yes, who cares? So that's an interesting point. Steve is in Smash I mean Cloud is too. But I feel like I feel like I've seen Steve in a target. I don't think I've ever seen a Cloud anything other than the game. You're getting absolutely cooked in the chat here, Mike Unit, you fucking grew up. It's a Steve, it's a Steve, It's a Steve universe. It's a Stephen universe. Fuo't I don't agree. I don't agree with it. I think him. I

think Steve personally, Steve, I love clud clude my boy? Is that the mouth or go tea. Was it even supposed to? Yeahs a goatee. That's who all these kids are playing as. Yeah, it's that's bad for the culture. That's not good. I agree that it probably broke Twitter. I just still you asked them to name him. I think most kids will be like, that's the minecraft guy. I don't think that. It

feels like it doesn't count. Okay, okay, all right, moving on the next Some of these, keep in mind are suggested by the folks at home. Next, why are you addicating responsibility for what's happening here? I don't know who the the next person is because Bob's and Doug Nut that's one of the greatest ball players of all time in video games, Bob's and Doug Nut, Royd's or something. I don't know. This sounds like someone that like Don would be telling a story about how he played this game with the

DA and like we, oh, we should played about every weekend. Okay, like someone good is still Dad's lucky charts. That is what all manequins sound like to me for this that's fair. Yeah, people as people like I know that this is a real person. But for the longest time I was like heo, the fuck is Ken Greffy Jr. That's not a real person. He falls into that that cothically for me, Jane is Pablo Sanchez one of the characters that that people suggested Backyard Baseball? From Backyard Baseball?

Do you guys think Pablo Sanchez or Cloud Strife is more clouds? Okay? I did, but but I did see JJ. I think it was JJ Watt, the famous football player wearing a Pablo Sanchez shirt on a Pat mcabee show like two weeks ago. You can know that JJ Watt also has like a Materia necklace somewhere, right, You're right, totally all right. Next character, Krados. This is a good one. I feel like both can kind of be niche ish, right, I think just because Kratos as the

de facto PlayStation man now I think maybe cadries it. He's also been in like more games now like well, okay, wow, there's a lot of weird there's a lot of weird spin offs. God damn it. Yeah, guys, but like he stars in his games, it's probably as Krados. This one is very difficult, actually, I think I think if my mom look at this, you have to like split it into I think PS two, PS three, Kratoles is pretty far behind, but like Sony Santo Monica,

like boy, Cratos is like right up there. But it's like you combine it all together though, I think so, it's like I think when you put all together, probably his Crados. Yeah, Cratos was a popular When I tweeted us, Cratos was like one of the most popular ones that people are like as as as as these people and as Kratos and these other suggestions. I was like, you need to get two thousand and five. I think these were close. This is like the most interesting one so far

to me. I do. I think that's true? The thing right now? Yeah, create this is probably right. This might be at the height of his popularity ever right now, right like I think it's maybe yes, Like I think it's maybe down. He'll for create us, whereas Cloud might live on in a better way my age better. I don't know, all right, gentlemen. Next one is Sonic? Oh is Cloud Strife more popular than Sonic? The Hedgehog? There's like three things more popular than Sonic,

and one of them is Jesus Christ. Yeah, I mean, look, if Tales is more popular than I'm absolutely fucking low to say it, but he has, in fact more popular than Cloude. Yeah, I mean pretty easily too. Yeah, okay, all right, we're talking about this the other day, like Sonic arguably gets on the Rushmore. Is that popular? Not a single good game to his name, but he gets up there like that's not a single gig you got you? People are so wid out with

the Sonic is never good crazy. Yeah, I would put Sonic on the most recognizable rush More. Yeah, dahn Mario. Okay, all right, Next, is this might be similar to credos here master Chief Anymore Anymore show. I don't think it's very close, though. I think it's weird that he that there's a Halo show and it seems like people on Twitter like are trying to convince me to watch it, right, so I think that people on Twitter are like to despise that show. There's a turn grub oh yeah,

like season two is good and you should watch it. I'm like, why are you advocating for this? I'm never ever gonna do that. No, I'm just thought, I don't care how good it is. If that was the if that was the Twin t Tens, the Master Chief absolutely, but like Xbox have beaten us mine into the grounds, like, no one can funk about Halo or master Chief anymore? Is Cloud? Right? You know what's when the last Halo game came out, oldest streamers that were playing

it were guys in their late twenties that were like teenagers. When Halo three it was not young people. Young people don't give a shit about Halo. Yeah. Yeah, the only story anyone's worried about anymore is Cody Roads his story, and Cloud Strife is close to a Cody Rhodes that's rather than master Chief. Master Chief had his chance. I think, yeah, this is this is probably the first one where Cloud actually comes out ahead. Although I like I said, player right, No, Bob Bobson, Doug Nut Definitely

he's more popular. Come on, okay, next character is Pikachu? Okay, no, got did you say that Pikachu doesn't go on the Mount rushmore of most recognizable video game character. I think Pikachu has really transcended. Like you think people look at Pikachu like video game character. Really, Listen, that's not what I'm Okay. If you're saying that, then that's fine. That's a different conversation. It's a video game podcast where even like the people

in the Big Game podcast, forget if the anime or game happened. First, of course it came from a game. The question is who's more popular. It's Pikachu. Of course, I'm just saying he's like, yeah, transcended in a lot of Yeah. If you're saying he's transceatedd that that yes, that's different, that's yes. I'm just like, if we are saying a video and character that's the most recognizable, it's Pikachu. But yes, and that's not even a picture of him from a video game. Even the

picture here is from the cartain. Hey, I just googled and I picked the first row, all right, criticizing you the way you talk just sounds like it. Yeah, I indignation of my voice at all times. Of course, also want to I want to kind of drag one hundred thieves through the mud because of their Pokemon collab. It looks like they just googled. They did what I did. It googled like a picture of Pokemon and then

the first result they just slapped on a T shirt. Oh mate. The meta of the Pokemon collaborative and fashion is so fucking washed that stuff they did with fending and it was literally just like a Dragon Night PNG on a seven thousand dollars bag, like fuck you. Like at least Pokemon Center when they're putting other prod they put are on their T shirts and I was like,

okay, this is fine, I'll buy this. But as you say, those Charlatans one hundred thieves whatever they do like hold you or whatever, like oh yeah, chart is Ard put on a hoodie charge seventy dollars. Yeah. The people that just make a living and just reacting to other people's videos on the internet are like, yeah, that they're taking the easy route. Surprising. Do you guys see that we had a bunch of polls for each of these and do you guys see the results for Cloud versus Pikachu forty seven

to one Cloud? It was all right, Cloud, has Cloud won any of these Cloud beat pops and Doug Nut and that's yeah. What was the other one that we gave to Cloud? Was it a master Chief? It was eighteen to twenty six in favor of master Chief. Oh okay, that's doesn't know what they're fucking talking about. I apologize, but that's chat's for old people. Fill a fucking boomerm this this next one may be another sweep

here because it is Cloud strife versus Mario. No way, Apparently Chad picked a Cloud over Tails, which is they did pick yes twenty five or seventeen? Yeah, absolutely not. I mean I think it. I thought to argue about Mickey versus Mario. I don't think Cloud's gonna have the chain. Sure, Okay, let's change this up. Who is the the highest tier Mushroom Kingdom character that beats Cloud, Like who gets up the roster? But Sto Cloud Stowe beats them, Bowser beats Cloud, Yoshi beats Cloud, Peach

beats Cloud. Don't Toad? Which Toad is weird because like because like I almost anything in Mario Kart is gonna be if you were in in Mario Karta, especially if're Mario Kart eight. I think you beat cloudy. I don't think it beats Cloud. Okay, okay, so right there you go. The the Bowser, Koopa trick Kids or whatever, probably don't beat Cloud. I don't know if I'm gonna say Burdo is more famous than Clo. Okay,

no, no, just Burdo beat Cloud. Yeah, that's what I'm saying I don't think so okay, all right, all right, next one? Next one is my sorry, maybe popular than more popular than Warrior, but not than Luis Wallawig. Sure for the freaks clip. Sure, Next one is my personal favorite? Is cloud Strife more popular than the L block from Tetris? That just looks like a really preemptive review of Final Fantasy se L game L game. Uh, that's not a character with that attitude.

Yeah, if if we're if we're counting, if it has to be an actual character not just a concept. Like no one is putting an L block on their top like five hundred, like they would put yes recognized with the question answer it cloud as the sort of this and indeed every debate cloud Okay, yeah, well I'll give the cloud Moving on. I forget which game he's from, but his cloud Strife more popular popular then Warren from that one

fighting game, Warden, what fighting game is this? Wore something? Warren's great, it's a giant bomb lore, it's a Warren Ohio near me? Like are you okay? Why you just heard a word? And you're like, there's a city near me? Name that because that's all I have was Warren who the fuck is Warren? Okay again, Giant bomb Lord, don't worry about it. Warren from Let's See Deadly Moves, Deadly Moved Moves. I'll I'm you know what, I'm gonna be gracious and give this one to

Cloud. I think it's probably although as as fun as my mammity recalls, I don't think any of the Sadia games were subject to science, So I think I think a little more popular with that. Yeah, in the fighting game scientific community. Yeah that's true, that's true. Next character is Billy Hatcher. Yeah, if you don't like graduations to Cloud all right, easy one, easy one for Cloud olthough kind of looks like him again, Yeah,

but no one that looks exactly the same. You know this could be him, though, right, Slap a chicken hat or a chocobo hat on this guy? All right? Is Cloud Strife more popular than the Red Bird from Angry Birds twenty twenty four? Yes, twenty seventeen. Fu No, okay, there's like there's a there's an Angry Barts theme park, and like Portugal, I think like it's wow. Yeah, Anger Birds had their time. We all got tired of it. Yeah, yeah, but I still

think you show these two pictures. To most people, they're gonna know the red bird more than Yeah, I think I just call him. They just call him angry birds. Though they don't call him red birds. They don't give you a count. The people that say that aren't gonna know cloud stripes. They are fucking Cloud. We're talking about a random person on the street. I think I think I think there's a good chance to know who Cloud is. No fu this angry bird ry the side. It's not a review

of angry birds. I'm sorry, but I think listen, I think it's gonna be Maybe it's close, but I still think it's angry, but angry bird. I'm glad that Jordan's in charge here, exactly fucking Cloud clears and I think, boys, when I'm in when I'm in l A for s GF, we get a mic, we go on to the street and we can do this. We get that's a good idea. Yeah, the ones that are like really contested here. Yes, that's good, Okay, all

right. Next one on the list is cloud Strife more popular than all one Pokemon, No, all of them, all of them, maybe more popular than Tangela is one of them? Voltorb. You know these names. Yeh was a Gen one freak. I had my poked dextree days a week. I speaking to tell you what level every Pokemon evolved level they learned their best to move. Remember, I could tell you when fucking Crabby became Kingler and learned to crabs. There you go already knows you just said the answer for

this one. Yeah. Yeah, I think the average person would know, like most of these Gen one Pokemon by name, Oh, definitely, especially because this was the only that was available when Pokemon Goal was the really hot ship. So I think that's the put over. What's the Gen one Mount Rushmore? If you can't include Pikachu or the starters? Oh, ev no legendaries to be safe, no legendaries, no legend dig Doug or whatever the hell's name is do? I like Cube and a lot the other people,

like Cubane is very popular. Is definitely Mount Rushmore. I mean like PG is like a very quintessential Pokemon to me in a lot of ways. But I think it, Yeah, I think the cut like based on current popularity and how the Pokemon company merchandised them to like old people, because it's evy, it's gang are, it's probably godded dose just in terms of that call. Yeah, that's definitely it. And I don't know, like there's there's a lot of storax Is. Actually would maybe like we're sleeping on Side Duck

though, because I feel like people should be on there. I think Side Store the ones that, like, as a more casual Pokemon fan, I would imagine that Aunt Rushmore be in there, just based on the mess. Like, there's a lot of good Pokemon here. It's way easier to say which one aren't good, like that like the thing of eggs and that mine like and like you know what over there, brother that no one cares about

Golden Goldene was boring because what's the one that's the snake or whatever? The thing that's yes, and then what's the what's the thing that has come backwards? I was trying to figure out how to get you to say that, but you said it for me. Yeah, guy, I'm here for you, Bud, all right, Yeah, and that one rules that one does start Pokemon podcast. I think so Cloud wishes he was a genuine Pokemon Yeah, yeah, sure. Is Cloud Strife more popular than the Dragon quest slimee?

Yes? Yes, okay, yeah, I mean not in Japan. Yeah, I think well, I mean, I play Cloud's pretty poplar in Japan. Also, he is pretty popular in Japan. But I think the slimes like, well, I'm iconic. Right, here's what we have to do. We gotta send Dan and I to Japan and we just ask a bunch of people. Is cloud strife more popular than this slime? Yeah?

There it is. You can get an intended controller that's a that's a blue slime that's like literally just an upturned blue slime with all the sweatch buttons on it. That was pretty good. You can't do that with You can show the slime to a bunch of people who play video games in the US. I think a lot of them are gonna think that's a You're gonna yeah, it's like, that's ridiculous, mainly because of best fucking website. People know what is in the US. I like, I'm gonna show this to my

kid. I bet she's gonna say that's a meep Alright, They're gonna think it's one off Doctor Robotics, bead beans. You go from mean beans. I would have said Pokemon or something, all right. Anyway, Anyway, there's a lot of people would think it's a Pokemon that is awesome. True, it looks like one of those baby digimon. Oh that's a good shot. That's a good shout. The next one is very spicy, y'all. Is Cloud Strife more popular than Sora from Kingdom Hearts? I can just sit

back and let this one happens. I mean, okay, this is another great question of like is it well known or is it well liked? Because no one fucking likes son people, and I'm glad that there aren't like two people in my life that I have to deal with liking sorra a Ton. Yeah doesn't. Sota can't lace clouds boots. People know that, guys, that guy's name is fucking Disney Kingdom Hearts or something like that. People know

Cloud motherfucking Strife as Clouds in Kingdom Hearts and you beat him. That's not It's not Canada. I don't acknowledge Kingdom Hearts or anyone that likes like make them look strong, brother, exactly. Do not show sorta Kingdom Hearts taking damage or holding a steel chair. I think it might be sa. The story is just like, hey, what if we like made Cloud Stripe a Disney character that's like the whole thing here with soa uh sorry make make a

Disney character code word for make them look dumb? All right, gone, fucking gone. What is it about Kingdom Hearts the songs specifically that makes people not just dislike just look at it. It's like just like that Cloud shoes both both Disney and Final Fantasy desire of all the hate they get. So when they when they put it together, like it's just and I am. I am someone that loves both of those things, but I get it,

Like, come on. It was funny when we were in We were in Disney for a Star Wars Jedi trap at some point, and all these sad fucking game journalists were going about being like, does anyone get any Sora pins? Is there any Sora merch in the park here? Like I did get a Kingdom Heart's pin last time was a Disney Sora's face is fucked up that that brings in a significant factor. Though there's merch of Sora at a Disney park, it probably is Sora. It is fucking Cloud. It's absolutely Cloud.

I feel like like those Kingdom Heart games sell okay, like but I have that same pin there. I can't get his face to focus and it's blurry sore, looks pretty good. There is there is the factor that when soda was got introduced into Smash Brothers, people lost their fucking minds. But like, yeah, cover your face, Mike, I don't yeah, I don't know. Well not like that eyes, Like just just put your palm behind the pin and then like come a little bit closer. Cover your He's

gonna fun. Can destroy everything in this office. Watch that's not It's okay, all right, that's not working. It's not working. It's not working, all right, tried. Yeah, I could go either way on this one. This one's hard for me. What's what's Jordan's final What was the arbiter's final decision here? Cloud? I agree that it is like way in favor of Cloud. Okay, the clouds, the Cloud pos It's the Colossum Kingdom, alrightcurate. Next person on the list, is Cloud Strife more popular

than chun Lee? No? No, no, yeah, I think that well street Fighter Two's and the Bones and Chunnley as Street Fighter, like yeah, like I feel like I feel like you see chun Lee and you're like, oh it's chun Lee. Yeah, but do you see Cloud and say, who the fuck is that? I think I think people see Cloud and go off final Fantasy guy, what's his name? That's a good point, I don't, I think because people will see like Chunley is referenced in like

rap songs because of how deep Street Fighter is. NECKI Minage kind of is the tie break and then that's like NECKI Minaje ever referenced Clouds in a song she has not. I feel like I feel like Meghan's the Stallion would eventually reference Cloud. Yeah, Clouds rhymes with a lot. So you guys are like, oh well, street Fighter too was like a really popular thing.

Did you hear about bom Fantasy seven on the PlayStation one? Yeah, but in Final Fantasy seven on the PlayStation one, Cloud doesn't look like this? That could be that? That was this? Is anyone always looked like this? How much? How much Tony porn? Cloud porners think about why there's a lot of stuff of Cloud in his his his costume from Wall Street? Actually okay, all right, uh so where did we land Chunley? I think culturally Chunley. But maybe if it's a gaming audience, maybe Cloud.

If it's like I'm if it's if it's the culture. Maybe chun Ley, I'm gonna formally object. Okay, uh, Mike, this next one may may be hard for you. He is Cloud Strife more popular than Leon S. Kennedy. Oh he definitely, Yeah, Lee, that's not even the most popular Resident Evil character. Really he sure he is numbers real quick on On an archive of our own, which is a fanfic website which has some spicy fan fix, there is fourteen, two hundred and fifty five things that

reference cloud Strife. Now I didn't put in quotes, so it could be cloud could be Strife, could be cloud Strife. So but I did Chunley, and she's at about five hundred. Oh fire, only five hundred. I would like to I would like to break in my assessed trophy of Tarbo Shwan. Famously, the most such video game porn term last year was Chunnley from Fortnite, So all, I don't believe that. How do you know that porn always sends that thing out at the end of the year. It's

the only pr uh. Yeah. I think Kennedy should be more recognizable. I love him, but I think like he's more recognizable than Chris just because they keep changing how Chris looks in every video game, but I think Joe is even more popular. Even then, I don't think maybe resid evil character. Oh yeah, Jill and her. Yeah, Jill's probably more recognizable to most people. The fucking the fucking Big Tet vampires more popular than like any

other resident evil character, Lady Jim Atris. But yeah, this one pretty solidly in the chat pool. Also, yeah, Cloud's more popular. All right, uh a baby's handful more folks. And then we're at the end of the road. Here is cloud strife more popular then Slippy toad kiss, Yes, look at that fucker. Nobody like Slippy. Everybody's like Slippy? Could you just can you just pull together? I like Slippy because he feels like off brand. Kermit has gone spoiled, and that's fun to me.

But I, oh yeah, Cloud's moore Poper Listen, I love me any type of animated frog, Slippy, Kermit, coroapi. Which one? Which one is slippy in the sn s is the bit bet bet gambit? Which one's he? I think it's the first one bit a bit. Yeah that sounds right. That's that's very frog adjacent. Okay, God playing some absolute fucking ass video games, Cloud Strife PS two Baby. The next character is Slippy the Squatter Squidter No, no, Squiter, the spider, Squiter the

spider. I don't know what close d K Country two or three was was with this fucker. I think he's three, but I don't know for three. The Elephants two Okay, yeah, yes, gods we're popular. I do like this guy because he can make platforms in the year out of web so it was fun. Chat's pretty close. Okay, never mind. Who is the most famous of the animal Friends with docu conk Countries? The Ostridge. I think it's the Ostrich. Actually I think you don't. I think

it's I think Ramby's right there. Yeah, it's one or the other. I just when I think those animals, the one that pops my head first is the ostrich. But I know the first one you get is the rhinos. So I bet a lot of people think about right and guard the swordfish. Oh, the swordfishes. Maybe, yeah, that's probably the most popular swordfish probably. Yeah, yeah, that'll be the next episode. Everybody. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna rank rhinos and then you'll get, like Paul

Giamatti, rhino wrestler, rhino wrestler, rhino right up the top. Come on, I think he might be the most popular rhino. It got to be. Yeah, all right, Uh, this is a deep cut. I have no clue who this is. Greg Gates like a un Squadron character, exactly like it. This is a Squadron character. Good on me, We'll done. That's some games mess games mess Jeopardy shot when I was like, oh yeah, who who what was the name of you? And Squadron

character perform? I think this is just me with like an aviator hat. Oh my god, you can you just do a mustache? I keep I keep threatening it, and my friends have like straight up Yoda at me. Yeah yeah, I'm upcit about it because I do want to fast. It's fine. It girls very fast, but they like they got upset and you have a lot of hair. Mike, it's Greg Gates. Is this character's name Greg called the name for a video game character? All right? Next

one is very hyper specific. Is cloud strife more popular than Jury's Feet? No, man knows there's some detailed feet. Mmmm. Yes, well, hey, you know this is the Internet. I'm just waiting to hear what Jordan's gonna Jordan, what is it? Well, I like, personally like Jordan Jordan's men, Yeah, all right, get them. That's how he pretty funny. Actually for audio listeners, Jordan's eyes are bugging out and he's he's pantomiming going, oh the uga. Yeah, his tongue just rolled out

of his face. Conclusive evidence, feet one, feet one again undefeated. There we go, all right, last four? Here is cloud strife more popular than Bubbzy. People only know what Bubbsy is because fucking gaming website is continually bring it up as a joke, and then it's become part of the culture and people have been like, oh, yeah, let's make let's make

another Bubsy game. And then it got to the point where, like fucking when when they did the quick click for that Bubbsy retardans, they're like, oh, this has always been tangible and always I am possibly go wrong. I'm fairly sure that because of where was Bubbsy Sega adjacent at all? It was on both sixteen bit platforms, not really Sega or Nintendo. Yeah, but there's no PS two versions, so you don't know. I think there

was a Jaguar game probably bro. I literally only know. I only knew what Bobbsey wants to start with because of a review from a YouTuber who is now like a fart right psychopath who could have guessed that's most of them. But then it got brought up on American podcasts. It never gets bringing up, bringing up Jesus Christs. It's late as it's late for me, folks. I'll see you later on. It never gets brought up by UK people. It never made it over here. It's like, it's very much an

American thing. But no, it's not more popular than Cloud motherfucking Strife. Yeah, what is your guys? What is the European equivalent? Is it game? Yeah, like the it is the Great Guiana Sisters or something like that. That's good. Yeah, it's it's horfo bothers games like that. Oh zo oh yeah final three here boys, it's Cloud Strife more popular than Kirby. No, okay, Jeff, Jeff is quali from this one. Jeff has been surrounded Kirby. Your kids had the biggest Kirby phase of anybody

in the history of the world. You were just shouted at about Kirby for like two years there. I'm not saying that. I immediately think Cloud is we're popular. I just don't think we can trust That would be wrong. Yes, I think I think genuinely Karby's top ten like so, Yeah, I think Carby wins super Smash brother Well, Cloud is too start time we've used the Smash Brothers argument. Slash Brother's this massive. How much has the

best selling Kirby game sold? Does more than was their Cloud Strafe balls outside of Target? Thank you? Final Fantasy seven remakes sold about five million copies. Yeah, and the best selling Kirby game is probably like at like four or five million, probably three or four five. I think Kirby starts to enter the Pikachu argument, where Kirby kind of transcending the games itself. Maybe.

I still he's still very game heavy for me, He's not in a whole lot of transmedien This one, this one, I would put money on you take it to the street, and significantly more people are gonna know Kirby than Cloud fucking STRIKEE. I think I think you're probably right. I think you're probably right. I don't know if it's like crazy, but you're probably right. I think it's like eighty twenty eighty time that's generous to I think it's generous to Cloud. Okay, okay? Is Cloud strife more popular than

Tifa? Lockhart a popular is an interesting word choice. There now more people know who Cloud is. I think that people who like really know who Cloud is. Definitely like Tifa a lot. God, never mind, you were thinking of the statue, Mike gets all right, we're all thinking of the statue. I'm not gonna say that, not at all. All right, all right, Jordan, Jordan as the arbiter. Where do you land here? Do people know Cloud more? Yeah? People do know Cloud more.

I think that. I think the people rock with Tifa more for obvious reasons. But yeah, I think I think Cloud more. Well, Ben Starr hasn't dressed up as Cloud and he has dressed up as Tifa, So what does that? Yeah? Cloud? They should I where should release Tifa's shoes? I can't believe they've not done that yet. It's like a sneaker collab with someone like that seems super obvious. Make a hundred pairs, make them a million pounds, and they say that some say that some actress stood in

them, and that would be gone immediately. They'll be in my house. Yeah, I okay, Yeah, they should do a sneaker collab. They should they should do more of that gaming sneaker beautiful. Yeah, grub ugs are back hard way. I got to pay attention to the streets more all right, the you last character for comparison's sake, Sean, please give me that clip of attention to the streets more mad. Just the streets are happening, guys, that's the most. That was the most Paul Walker ass Lion

read that has been on this part sometime. Is Cloud strife more popular than this final video game character? And that final video game character is no death it off serves more cunt but Cloud that is more than popular. Yeah, Clouds were popular. Yeah, it's very close. I mean it's not like they put Seff and Smash first, put Cloud first, Okay, and then

you got as a treat. I was showing my partner a trailer for Rebirth the other day and she saw seth Roth and she doesn't know anything about Final Fantasy, but she was like, he's cunting, and that was that. That's all you need to know. Yeah, Like I will say, like I feels like if you were talking about the most popular like video game heroes or villains of all time, you get the sepher off sooner than you would

get to Cloud and their respective lists. Yes, but still, all right, gentlemen, well we've established you don't have to make me do Megan Man, I'm happy. I was really worried about that real quick. So after going through all of that, would Cloud be in the top ten of video game characters like most recognizable? No? Ten? No, it's like, well, how about I mean, top twenty. I'm not even sure about top twenty twenty. I think he's got a good shot. Yeah, he's

got a shot. I mean Spartvik comes on to just how many Nintendo characters that can get in there first? Just how many Mario characters get to get in there first? Right, that's where if it's one per franchise, if it's the main character franchise, he might make it into the top ten even But if you like, no, we're just talking about recognizable video game characters. What about this? Is Cloud Strife the most popular and reckonizable Final Fantasy

character? Yes? Yes, okay, maybe even like j RPG, probably like the most popular Pokemon Pokemon clears. Okay, if we're not counting Pokemon, sure, yeah, that's a good point. Okay, well, you know we should because it is a but that's the thing, Like, it's so funny because the replies to my tweet people were like fucking obviously and other people were like absolutely no chance. So there was like a like a Lettus test that it does in your heart. You're like, oh, well,

obviously it's one of like the one of the iconic characters. But then you go through the audio crew, you go through all the Pokemon that would make it before Cloud, you go through everyone else. It's like, all right, it is hard for because like I was there when Like Fantasy it was the biggest deal ever and like all anyone cared about was Cloud and looming over

Final Fantasy for a long time. Well, folks, thank you for joining us on this week's hot topic of whether or not Cloud is more popular than X video game character. And thank you to our special guest and the inspiration for the hot topic, Jordan Midler. Once again, Jordan, where can folks find you on the internet? You can find me at Jordan Middler on

Twitter. And then for all your gaming news is VGC. VGC The Video Game Podcast comes out every Thursday. Last week we had the Big Ben start on talking all things Final Fantasy eight if that's your vibe, and you can also find me stock in the halls of this website. Occasionally when Jeff doesn't have a guest, it's like, oh, for fuck, it's like forty five minutes to go. Better get me on the morning. Mass should be done with work by now, let's go. Yeah. Yeah, I mean

I literally don't work. I don't work on a Monday, so it's it's time to party. Yeah. I'm glad that I came on on a night where there was just surreptitiously ridiculously big gaming news happening. That was good fun. But thank you for having me, boys, I appreciate it a lot. I appreciate exactly. Get we got to get you on a BombCast proper. Oh sure, I could fucking talk for Scotland and those podcasts go on, they go on, We do like forty five minutes, and I'm like,

fuck me, I'm done with that ship. I'm done sane words like you look back at some of those old shows and those guys would go for like four and a half hours. It's like, don't you guys a fucking jobs don't have places to be I used to, you know, it's someone that used to produce those podcasts. When we're all in person in the stew I was like, man, my butt really hurts. The sweat one must have been fucking like solid against your deck, Like how did you set from

that long? Like said Dick. Well, folks, the most cunty uh person on the BombCast Jordan Midler. Everyone, we'll see the one. We'll see you on Tuesdays. I have a word. Is cunt not that bad? If you're Scottish? I would I would say cunt to my maw. I don't really care. It's like I feel like, yeah, I feel like it used to be a real bad word. And I don't know if I'm just hanging around too many Europeans. That's just that's just Aneican's like the

listen in America. You can never call a person that, But if you just use it in a fun way, or you say serv and cunt, you're gonna be fine. Well it loves that speaking about the sea word. We will see you next Tuesday. Mike, answer the question cloud or Mega Man? Fuck you? I wore Bega Man today and yesterday. You think I can actually answer that? See you next Tuesday for another episode. Of

the podcast. I but Jada Choa. He has been Jeff Grubb, he's been Mike Manata, he's been Jordan Midler, and you have been beautiful. Make sure to just serve it, serve it, and I'm not going to say the word anymore because i feel like I've reached my quota for the day. People are mad about to see you later.