Oh Friday. Oh my gosh, I love you so freaking much, Friday. How's it going everybody? This is the BombCast Revengeance. Do the echo with my voice please right now. Thank you? Echo echo, echo voice echo. Oh sure, yeah, yeah, that's my job. You just found out about it, but that's what's gonna happen. Welcome everybody to the Giant BombCast Revengeance. That's right, it's Friday. It's time for you to get just another second helping. You went back up to this the bar.
You're like, you know what, it wasn't blowing in another plate, But here I am, and I'm loading it up with just olives and onions and maybe banana peppers. Saved it at the end. Yeah, saved it with those banana PEPs. Uh. Jeff Grubb is here. How are you? I'm good? What's the What is like? Is that like your would you consider that a meal? Like if I woke up in the morning I had like a bowl of jalapenos, I would consider that breakfast. Sometimes it's just
the ramblings of a psycho. I don't understand. Never said it was a bowl of alps, like a small ball? Is that small? It's so weird. Oh my god, we must pivot out line. All right, Well, no, I have a question. Are they fresh or pickled? Listen, I would love them fresh, but they're pickled, Like come on look at me. Oh yeah, he would die if he ate fresh alpinos like a bowl of them, like a bowl. Yes, I would just I would eat one occasionally, but like, yes, it would kill me.
Could you imagine going to a diner and then one of the items available for order is fresh bowl that's so weird. I've had like a little like cup of holopenos delivered to my table before, as like like like there's nacho chips and there's salsa, and then there's a bunch of like a nacho just sliced, and then I'll just munch on those. Okay, I was gonna say, you're not supposed to do that. That's there. They're garnish. They're garnished. They're not like okay, yes, but they're really tasty.
Well yeah, sure, no one's gonna argue with you there. I won't, and neither will Nikki Grayson, how are you true? I'm good. I'm good. I'm hanging out. It's freaking Friday, dude, you know and that's huge as a person who loves Friday it's already Friday. That this is the first short week in a long time where I've thought it's already Friday. Yeah, it's not like I used to be like, short week, give it to me. That's awesome. It's Friday's gonna be here before I
know it. And then that stopped happening at some point, and this week it came back, and I'm very relieved. They're the best. They're the best kind of week. I am a pro four day week person. Pass it around. Uh turble Sean, how are you. I'm hanging in there, Jeben. Very busy this week. Yeah, tell us about your week? Uh, Jan, where are you? No, I'm getting everything done,
you know, everything's being taken care of us and everything. But I'm just like, how the hell does Jan do this on top of everything else he does? So yeah, I'm yeah. Well, I want to extend our our our gratitude to you because you really are helping us out in a way that, uh, I'm not sure we can really put into words. Keeping the website on somehow, keeping keeping the lights on, keeping the plates spinning, keeping the drinks filled, and keeping the jalapeno bulls filled up with
for that that shit that was my writer, Thank you. Just like, imagine you're at a party and someone's just like passing that around. You're just like, what the fuck is wrong? Would you share? I would keep it to myself. I wouldn't pass it around. So strange. Speaking of eating stuff, guys, I went to Korean barbecue after our LA excursion, and I gotta say, like, that place was really good. And I don't think the place I went to here was at the same level, but
it was like maybe ninety percent of the way there. It's still fun because the think about Korean barbecue is it's a good time because the cook cook and have it on the table. That's satisfying. Here's the thing, Okay, I get home from LA and I say to Stacey and Dem, I'm like, yo, we gotta do Korean barbecue. Just like take your jacket off, Like what do you do? Like like like, no, it's two am, but your jagging out. Let's go, I don't pants on.
It took like two weeks, so maybe three weeks to finally round up the crew, and then we went out with another family that we're friends with and everyone was like very They were like, oh, this sounds exotic, like Backler is gonna show us a good time. And here I am feeling like I got a lot of pressure on me now because I'm gonna have to like be the jan where I'm like telling everyone what everything is and how we have to cook it. It was a lot of pressure. It was a lot
of pressure. But I think we killed it. The only thing we fucked up with. And I knew this was gonna happen because my buddy who I went with, his eyes were way bigger than his stomach, and I kept saying, like Jake, I don't I don't think we should order that much, like you're this is like for a small football team and it's just like seven of us and we over ordered. It was fine, but I some
of that game. Yeah, here's the thing, friends, when you when you over order at Korean barbecue, you still have to cook everything before you take up work. Yeah, you get your own fucking left of so you're not hungry anymore and you've got to just get in that grill and grill it's still just like you know, forking and stuff around full two. The smell is making me nauseous as well, but here we just flipped the head and
put it in a little to go back. I went to the Korean barbecue place once and they brought us the wrong like, they brought us an extra plate of brisket. Oh, and they put it on the It was a situation where they're like, here's the meat. Here. It goes on to the thing, and then we like started to cook it. And then they came back and they were like, is this y'alls? And we were like,
I don't know. You brought it to us, like I don't know, And then they were and then they like talked amongst themselves and they're like, oh, no, this is for a different table. So they picked up the whole fucking heating element out of the table and then they threw it away in front of us. They picked up the whole fucking plate and they threw all of it away. It hadn't even finished cooking and they just tost it. It was that's a crazy I was so upset. They're like,
not for you. They didn't even bring it over to the other table. No, then just threw it away. We'd rather see this. You get a three piece of meat. Oh my God, that is very weird. You know, it never went back there because we were all mad. Of course I would never can't be rewarded again, you know. Wow. All right, so that was my Korean barbecue story. I'll be back at that place because it was I think it was pretty good. All I was considered
being in a suburban Jersey. What else friends, what else we got cooking? I'm with Sean where it's like, boy has a lot of work this week. They're just kind of went on stop. I'm like, I like, here's my problem. The week starts out. We're in that meeting and like Jan Sick, Lucy and Tammark there, they're busy there. I think there are stole on breaking. I knew what was coming and I was like, oh, okay, I didn't really notice and I didn't think about it,
like we should do all this stuff. And I'm like, oh, we should not have planned to do all this stuff. I should have planned for way less of what we had planning for. Because I'm like, oh, mag, I'm jumping from one thing to another. So yeah, at this point, I'm like I'm gonna go get on the steam deck and just lay on the bean bag and play a video game for like two hours tonight playing a video game. I've been doing a lot of that. What have
you been playing? You play? You heard of his any game? Pickman four? Oh? Oh, I heard of that? Yeah? You see over there? Yeah? Wow, he triggered. Wait, time out. You can't just trigger the thing after someone just breaks up. He's doing it again. He's triggering everything. Wait, I don't. I didn't know you trigger stuff on this man. He's triggering everything. John from Maryland asks, actual, we'll get to that genuine you call me by surprise. When Nikki,
Oh my god, Jen, where the fuck are you? Jen? You can't be that sick. Enough is enough? Anyway? You know it's Friday. Nikki brings up Pickman four, and all hell breaks loose. Listen, you're playing Pickman four. Yeah, so I have never I played Pickman one when I had my GameCube, and I didn't like it because I was
afraid of the bugs on the TV. Expect you to say that there, Oh man, there was Nintendo fucking loved a bug in the early two thousands when I when I didn't get through Metro Prime either, because you in the first level ofmentary prime when you're on the ship, you get through the you go through the whole fucking thing, and then there's that big bug in the tube that you have to shoot. And I got there and then I started screaming, and then I turned the GameCube off and I took the disc out
and I said, Mom, we have to take this back. And then we took it back and I got a different game, but I'm playing Pickman four. I downloaded the demo while I was in New Zealand, and I was like, oh, I'll play the demo on the plane on like one of my flights to determine whether or not I will like the game. I got thirty five minutes in and I passed out in the middle of playing it, and I was like, well, if that means that it's not for me, and then all you guys were talking about it, and I was
like, Okay, I'll give it another shot. So I replayed the demo earlier in the week and I had a blast, just like was like it like it all clicked basically immediately, and I was like, okay, I'll buy the full game. Bought the game, and I'm having such a good time. It's like it's so it's just fun. It's chilled. The pacing is really good. The speed at which the game goes from like oh,
nothing, nothing bad is happening to you. Everything is on fire and I need to like put this fire out, and then it's like, oh, you put the fire out, easy piece. But it's like they're stress somehow they found a way to like like make faux stress, like, yeah, it's stressful, isn't It's like once you realize, oh I handled that, Oh that wasn't so bad, but oh my god, all this stuff is going wrong, and they like even when they get to the point where like
later in the game there's like this more time segment. They got rid of the most of the timing elements here, like the day style ends, but they're not trying to rush you through in a thirty day segment. They have something like that later in the game. And even that, it's like you could work yourself into a shoot thinking that, oh I got to get this stuff done, but you're gonna find out like, oh, I could actually get through this in about half the time that they give me. So yeah,
it's it's really neat. And I think there is also such a big one of the things that pushed me away from it, especially when Piman three came out, was I was like, I don't know if I have the bandwidth mentally to manage all of the things that I thought that the game would make me manage. But so much of Pickman four, I don't want to say plays itself. But they have, like they have so thoroughly sanded the
edges of this game. Yes, like the fact that I can open the map and be like, Okay, I don't want to I physically don't want to hold the stick to walk to here, but I can go over there. I can just go over there, and then I'm just like okay, well the game will take me over there, and then I'll do the thing that I want to do, and then I'll tell the game to take me
back to this other place and then it'll do it. It's so nice like it it feels it's a very considered experience and like I feel like I'm being taken care of as the players, especially like having just hopped off of Pokemon Violet because I finished that up also earlier this month, literally on a whim. Yeah, I was like, it's like, what if I finished this game that I literally got ninety eight percent of the way through and that game
fucking sucks. But that game like has no there's it doesn't for many reasons, right, Like that game was not ready to come out when it came out, like obviously we all everyone, yeah, like I don't want to relitigate Pokemon Scarlett Violet. But even from a conceptual perspective, that game does not give a shit about the player. It doesn't feel like it does.
Pickman four very much cares about whether or not I'm having a good time all playing it, and I can feel that and I appreciate it and I'm really having a blast. And the thing is like with Pickman, uh, there's an evolution there where it's like they kind of got to that point over time where they're like, actually, that is going to be our new north Star.
It was not always what the right the hallmark of the Pickman series, the thing about like going to the map and setting away point and your character's just running there. They came out with that for Pickman two, and when they had you have like controlling like two different characters at once. Yes, you had to send one character over there, and you could still control two characters to once. In this game, one could be og and one could
be your character. You never have to do that, not really, you can if you want, if you like wanted, like, oh, like I'm gonna go take care of all these things at the same time, that would be nice. Well then do it and pickman two. You had to do it, and so you were managing all this stuff, and so they're like, well, we got to give you ways to be able to manage
two things at once. In a way that felt very like we are going to specifically challenge the player and what they're capable of, even if it's a player who might not necessarily feel capable of that thing. You know, it's a game. Eventually, you're gonna get good enough at it. This game is like, No, the fun thing here is the loop. It is looking at what's ahead and being like, I can't wait to get that thing. I see it's a giant thing over there. I can't wait to have
enough. Yeah, that can walk through water and go pick that up and then come through here. And that that big ambastard over there that shoots fire, I'll attack him and he'll be dealt with. And like, I just have this plan in my plan in my mind. And now that I'm here. I can't wait to just do this and this and this and this to accomplish that. And then once shooes you do that, you see another thing and it just strings you along by the nose. Yes, And it's so
it's so it's expertly crafted. Each of these spaces is so like lovingly considered that at Nope, it it's like it kind of feels like, you know how in Breadth of the Wilds when you find a thing or enters the King, when you see a thing and you're like, oh fuck, I can't wait to get to there eventually, And like sometimes you like try to make your way over there and then you get distracted. Right, sure, Pigment four is not the scales not there, the scope isn't there. You're not
going to get distracted. But each of the things that you will find are so thoroughly worthwhile. The first like I pulled a game Boy micro out of the fucking ground. Last I lost my mind. I was like, this is the sickest shit in the world. I didn't even think anybody know we's talking about this guy. The worst game point into ever made. That's the weirdest one. And then I was like this is so sick. I'm gonna put it back in my little in my little spaceship and then they're gonna It's
like, it's so cool. It just it feels lovingly considered. It feels it's a very warm game, and I really appreciate that. Yeah, like I speak about it, it's that that actually makes me want to like maybe think about possibly maybe doing something. Yeah, well, like the demo is the demo. The demo is good, and it carries over to the main game, so it's not wasted time. So if you end up play liking the demo, well then you just carry that save over into the game after
you buy. And if you don't, well no, no, you know, no skin off your ass. Yeah, yeah, the demo say skin off your ass. I think that's really good. I think we should more people should say it. Yeah, if I would have been afraid to play this game if I didn't have the demo straight out. So, like, if you are like I don't fucking know, just like do the demo like in them, like you can complete that, you'll know immediately if it's for you or not, because the lou is very simple. Yeah, I think
at least the first thirty minutes. By the after that first thirty minutes, the tutorialization up front might make you feel like, oh, it's going to be talking to me like this the whole game. It's like, no, once it gives, once it presents you the loop, it's gonna mostly set you free to enjoy that loop. Mm hmm. Yeah, it's a it's
a really spectacular game. Yeah, I really enjoy it. And it's uh one of the easiest games to one percent, not because the difficulty levels loon, which you know it is, but just because it's so encouraging in one of making you want to play. Yeah, it makes you want to just like see that next thing, and it feels manageable. Honestly, Like the two best games the one dred percent probably came out this year, Spider Man two in this Yeah, like just so easy to do both those games.
What is it? What is it about Spider Man two that made me be like, yeah, I'll fucking do it all of it. I think I think it's mostly a them responding to the criticism of Spider Man one being like, no, man, I don't really need to do fight five crimes in every single one of these blocks in your entire city, don't be crazy, And they're like, you know what, you're right. We're gonna give you like maybe ten of all of these little tasks that we built for this game,
and once you do that, you're good. Now you could like we'll have some other stuff for you to do. But once you've done that, you know, yeah, we realized that this stuff's not gonna be fun the thirtieth time, but it's still fun the ninth tenth time. Yeah, the ninth or ten times hits. Yeah, exactly. And also there's like a bunch of the side quests are really good, so you're encouraged to go explore, you know, like the music side quests and our thing is freaking awesome.
Yeah, yeah, that's all that stuff. It just like all feeds back into itself. So I was a little more down on Spider Man two than our people, but I didn't like just exploring the city was actually my
favorite player of that game. There's something about that game that I think they really did find ever since Morales, they really did find like a good groove of not overwhelming you and it. I mean, there's definitely more stuff to do in two, but it still feels peppered in uh careful enough that it isn't this thing that you just roll your eyes at, right, because it's because a lot of times it's like, Okay, I got into a side
quest and now it's like its own little mini campaign with its own rewards, but like you feel like you accomplished something in the fiction of the world. Yeah, I would have going through a little museum that teaches you about music, and it's like, fucking Christ, this is this is awesome. This is all like actual, real, true ship and I'm having a great time. The rock Steady Batman's did that really well? Moving into where you're like,
oh, I mean Riddler trophies like changed every trophy writ large. Yes, absolutely, Yeah, you know so I think that's like, uh, you know, taking the best kind of uh notes from from that implementation and making it work. Yeah. Like I'm still playing that game. I still think. I still think it looks so goddamn good. It's ridiculous, Like it's weird. I I play it sometimes like far away on a on a TV, and then sometimes I'll play it like right in my face and it's
just bananas, like when you really just get stuck. I play it high a lot, and I just feel like, yeah, that's what I was getting at, and you're just like looking at it and you're just sort of like, oh, is that like the reflection of the Yeah? Cool? There was there's a shot where my spoilers sorry, Miles gets a new suit he's get in the Spider Man game. Was it the daft Punk suit he
has? Because that's pretty cool? The daft Punk suit is good. No, when Miles like gets his his his suit, his suit, that is like he's like, I'm gonna go make a suit his final story suit. There's a bit where where he's got these fucking ugly ass Adidas forty x's one of my favorite shoes, but when he puts his weight down on the on his feet, the shoes compress, and I was like, you motherfucker. Yeah, what kind of budget allows for that? Yeah the hair suit whereas
hair is out for some reason. But yeah, that game looks unreal. Like if if video games always looked like this, I would lose my mind. Yeah, it's like, oh they almost can't Like, yeah, the world couldn't handle it if they all looked that good. But that's like the thing, like these days we get to a World place. You're like, man, I can't wait for that next generation of consoles where ever game's gonna look like the Last of Us part too. It's like, oh, homie,
you oh, you don't get it, do you. It's not you. It has nothing to do with the power. It's the budget. It's a budget. It's the budget, like they had the budget to make that look like like that on the PS four. That's the difference back then. Then. That's not going to suddenly change because we have more powerful hardware. It's the budget. Yeah, what uh, what else does anyone playing?
I I know, I know. We could say we're playing Prince of Persia and yeah, nothing about it. We could say that, yeah, we might have might have some extra codes that we'll be able to get you. So okay, yeah, it's maybe the game that we will talk about a lot here in the next couple of weeks. But that's all we can say right now is that we're playing. I guess we could talk about like,
hey, it runs nice. They confirm that themselves. It runs great everywhere, and guess what, it runs great everywhere, So yes, confirm what they confirmed publicly already. You can kind of not worry about that, so wherever you are planning to play it, yes, you're gonna be fine, but that's it's been taking up a lot of my gaming time. That so, and next week will be able there you said next week, I think the next I couldn't remember exactly when the embargo was. Yeah, it's the
eleventh, so oh perfect. We could say, I'm just looking at like what we can actually say, like all the things that are in the green text columns and green uh yeah, PCR. We'll talk about that on the next week. Could be like we'll do a review for the next BombCast Revenge, so totally. And the and the cool thing is like we're all playing it on different platforms I feel like, right, like so so that's cool. It's it's film, Steam and PC and I'm playing out on the Asis
rog ally things like that. So yep, we will. We'll have a lot to talk about that with that game. That's not gonna be the first big game of the year, and then it's kind of going to start up again here through January and February. There's a handful of games that will be popping off, like a Dragon Wentz Tacking and it's like twenty six I believe Yeah, twenty six damn crazy. I know. It's like it's like they
haven't stopped, you know. I think, uh, I do think, Like there is this weird thing that happens at the end of a calendar year where I just sort of like look back and I'm like, I'm looking at my list and I'm just like a sorry, guys, you didn't make it, Like you just just didn't just couldn't help you out. You know, I couldn't. I couldn't touch you. And now that December is January, you are no longer qualifying for my time, and it's fucked up. Like
I've yeah, I gotta change that habit, I think. But that's because Sean decided like he's fully one. That's exactly why I'm embracing that. I'm just like, nah, So if I have like no or yeah, if I have nothing lined up, if I have like just intense downtime for whatever reason, like if there's a lull in the summer or whatever, I'll go back and I'll see like, Okay, what games did I not get around to last year? But otherwise I'm just like, man, I'm I'm gonna
play Prince of Persia I'm gonna play back in. I'm gonna play Persona just as these games come out. I'm just not gonna worry about anything. And then if I have downtime, I'll get back to some of that stuff. Yeah, yep, Live your life, Fridle Fantasy seven to two? Is that? Is that? This? The next one is next month, Nikki? Because Square Enix they're being uh, they're being sly over there. They're releasing on February twenty ninth. Really, so that way weary in four years?
Yeah, weirdos. I don't know anything about Square Nicks, but I know they love number. Shit. Man, the marketing is going wild for that game. You see the green comet that's gonna come our way like crazy, dude, Well they should send it into space. They got there's billboards and stuff here in LA. They're launching a comet. You can do that. Yeah, if we do anything, now, that's that's cool. I
think that's cool. Yeah, all right, is anyone else playing anything or should we take a break and get to the featured topic of the episode. Let's do that. Yeah sounds good. Okay, all right, we'll be right back. We're gonna talk about some things of note. As you do at the top of every year. Stick around and we shall be right back. Welcome back to BombCast Revengeance. Uh, there's a colon in there somewhere. I'm sure there's four of them, at least on this show. Yeah
the b I can add Collens wherever you guys want. I'll make it happen. That's good, it's gross. Uh. Jeff Grubb describe what we're gonna be we're gonna be doing here at the magazine feature of this episode. Yeah. Yeah, So Beck like, hey, we need a topic for this week. Why don't we just do a prediction episode, like official predictions for the year. So I figured, like to keep it easy. We'll probably mostly stick to the big three, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, But if
you guys want to throw anything spicy in there, feel free. Uh, we got we got the live chat here. You know. If you guys have a specific prediction you guys want to ask us about, use to ask a question. But we'll see if we can get to any of those. Uh. But yeah, what we're gonna do is we're gonna make some predictions, safe predictions and then outlandish prediction predictions for each of these companies. So something like, you know, if we want to be like, oh,
the switch to might happen. That feels pretty safe at this point. What else do you have in your back pocket that you would either really want to see or you think would be could happen. It could be really out there still though, So yeah, where should we start. Let's start with what I think is like the most uninteresting company right now? Sure? Yeah? Would you let's see if you guys think the same company is as uninteresting as I. We're all going to say at the same time. Ready, sure,
yeah, three two one most interesting? Very proud of him? What just happened? We all said different things, that's what does that happen? And also different things I said, I said, Sony, Oh yeah, I think that's the correct answer. Actually, it's okay. I think that's the most interesting because it's the most unknown. But what you are does this
lean into your prediction at all? Jeff Or? Yeah, well it does because I just think I I just I don't really see a tremendous amount of like first party stuff necessarily on the horizon, right, I mean, maybe I'm looking over things. Well, do you think it's possible that we like they've been very quiet because they're gonna have big surprises this year, Like,
isn't that possible? Sure, sure, I just know either. But I'm I'm like, that's my optimistic stance, is that they've been quiet for a long time, and that just means we'll have even more to be excited about when they finally start talking again. I like your thinking, it's wishful. I think I also think, like, to me, the most hype about that company right now is a PS five pro, which people are essentially just
like wheeling into existence, and it doesn't feel time for one. From my position, I think like you are trying to juice something that doesn't need to be juiced at the moment. Calm down, you horny little weirdos. Juice Like, why do you want to spend five hundred dollars again, you fucking morons? Like relax, just just relax. Why are you so eager to give five hundred dollars or your money? You couldn't find a PS five for four years and now you're like, well it's time for a pro. Here
we go. Take here's my wallet. Take what you think I should have back, Like, I'm like, mostly just entirely on the same page. With you. I think people will argue, I'll just trade in my PS five and that'll get like me, like three hundred dollars of the way there. I'm like, okay, whatever, I'm like, like, you're right, I mean, and to be fair, that's why they do it. They do it because they can keep the prices high by putting out new hardware,
and we kind of I don't know. I think we saw the results of it the last generation and it just didn't make that much of a difference at the end of the day. I suppose it was nice to have a handful more games running at a high frame rate. Yeah, that's what I got out of it. I'm I'm happy that I was able to pill for an Xbox one X off of the fan out of the fan Bite office right before the pandemic so I could go free control. And then the world shut
down. And do I still have that Xbox one X? Maybe? Maybe? Who's to say, who's to fucking say? But like, yeah, I don't, I don't. I nobody. Here's the thing that I really don't understand. Nobody owns nobody, which is to say, very few people own televisions good enough to have a PS five or an Xbox Series X look as good as those things can do. So why are you going to try to buy your your TV at home? Probably just goes at sixty fucking hurts.
Yeah, well, here's the thing. The way, like, if you look at Luayn, Nintendo's done it in the past, right, they see that who buys our hardware? You know that, you know, at least at first, who's the people that spend the most money on our hardware, at least the ones they don't wait for a price drop ever, and it is the same hardcore audience. So what they do is, let's make
new hardware for these idiots. That idiot's name being Jeff Grub, and we'll just get him to buy it over and over again, and then he'll do something with this old ones. He'll sell it to someone else. He'll hand it to a nephew or something like that. And then now we got we made more money by selling another piece of hardware to an idiot. And then he is going to increase our install base because he's probably gonna give our hardware
to someone else as well, the old hardware. So like, and that's I think all these companies recognize that the best people to continue to monetize at all times. Is the most hardcore of the most hardcore, But it's it's how big is that audience? Like how much that huge? But they will spend a lot of money. They do spend a lot of money. That's like the top ten percent of the people in like the PlayStation xbox audience probably
spend a significant amount of the money on these platforms. I mean, like the majority of people are not rich, right, we know this will be true, right, So it's like, I just I don't know. I need to like see more of that. I want to dig deeper on that to really like understand what's going on that leads me to where I'm at actually, because I want to know the why of the PS five Pro because at this point we basically know it to be a thing unless something ractically changes.
And there's always a y for this hardware. You know, people are like, you know, rich people are gonna do rich people stuf. They're just gonna buy a new hardware. Sure, but there's always at least a justification for it. Like what was for the pro? What was it like for PS four pro? It's four K tvsky back. Yeah, you know, in the PS three era. The entire point of the PS three was blue. Right, there's always like Sony in particular, since they have their own
stack. Yeah, exactly, there's always a reason. So I'm wondering, like, what is the reason for PS five pro And I wonder if maybe it's gonna be a slight pivot and may they lean because we've heard about this ray tracing stuff maybe being better than ever and made that niator. Yeah yeah, so maybe they're just gonna lean hard into that and say this is something that you can't really get on your PS five either. And that's like rough.
I think that's a rough position to be in because the ray tracing buzzword has already failed. It does not work as a marketing term. And then if you're if you're the is going to be like, well, we do really good machine learning image reproduction. It's like that space is kind of already
owned by d LSS and it doesn't feel like a great buzzword anymore. And then to what end it's like, okay, so we can upscale to eight K TVs that people definitely don't have, and s a K is also a bad buzzword because people have recognized now I cannot tell the difference between a lot of people are going to tell you, I can't see the difference between four K and ten ADP. Everyone can't see the difference between eight K four K.
There you and Jason, we're talking about this this morning. Of like a lot of people are like, I can't tell the difference with ray tracing, even though if you show someone screenshots, you have to be educated enough to like a bad buzzword though, if you have to be educated about it exactly, and that's why it's not great for which is why I'm wondering, like what what is the justification going to be? Because what letters are you
going to put on the box? Because because I just looked at the I just looked at the PlayStation five box recently because I was throwing it into the garbage can and it has eight K on it? For what? Oh it does it just k on? That's crazy? Waiting Series X processor has eight K etched onto it? What do you mean? Like, if I'm not mistake going to fucking get there? The PS five also doesn't even support AK output yet it's still not there or did they do that? I thought I
thought it did it? Like but like a lower frame rate. I thought it was like thirty frames per second eight K. I thought it just like literally the ability of hookup to an ak TV never came. I could be wrong about that. I thought that was still just like I mean, like, who's even able to try that? Exactly? That's the thing you can't go about because you don't have an a k TV, none of us. I mean, it reminds me so much of like UH, and the timing of it is perfect with CS here, like this is all CS is.
And I still think at large, the UH, the tech marketing hive mind sees people as just like big number, be happy, like a bigger number, bigger pro thing. It's got a plus now, and like I think for the majority of transactions, like that's enough to get people over the finish line. I really do think so, you know, with their spending, right, maybe it is really the thing that's ultimately going to bottleneck, whether or not you know, someone like converts on something like that. But it's
just as simple and as stupid as big number, you know. So, and this is maybe maybe we're stumbling on a better way to have these discussions. There are big things that we know are coming down the line, and maybe we could just kind of air how we feel about all this stuff. Right now we're talking about the PS five pro. Let's just do a few more questions on the PS five pro. Beck, are you said five hundred dollars? There's a chance this thing's five fifty or six hundred? Cool?
Go spend it you have? Okay, So over under. Let's I'm gonna set the over under at like what is it? Five on one? Is where five hundred one dollars is over? I guess I think over also? Now then you know I just threw out five hundred there just to make a joke, But yeah, I think this is a north of five hundred. It has to be over because they're not going to make the PlayStation five cheaper, right Usually when they put it, they put it on sale a bunch
of times, but they're not going to officially drop the price. Yea, MSRP is not going to go down, so like it has to, it has to be over, Greb. If you have a memory of this better than I do. PlayStation Direct has never reduced the price on PS five. I believe. I believe that has all been retailing. Oh yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, so it has to be a five ninety nine machine, like totally, yeah, I think so. And this thing probably will
be like primarily available through direct at first. I mean you could try to get it through retail. I'm sure the cost. I can't remember the leaks chat feel free to chime in with helping here, maybe, Sean, maybe you remember is the PSI the PSI pro is gonna have the disk drive? Still, right? I think I think so? Yes? Okay, so yeah, then at that case, I'm with you guys over. I think it's probably six hundred dollars. I think it's six hundred bucks. I don't
think higher than six. I think six is the cap. Oh yeah, yes, definitely, And if you get it well, because some people are saying like seven hundred and I'm like, I don't think they could go away with that. The number seven definitely won't be in there, I guess. But also no way got chance. And it's like five ninety nine seems like the most that, uh, the average person would not even the average person, the high end consumer who wants to spend this amount of money is going
to spend on a piece of electronics to put in their home system. Yeah, okay, so then we get a PS five Pro. It's six hundred dollars, probably launches much later this year, probably over the holidays. What what game do they pair it with? Like they're they're probably gonna want to have something to go right away with it. I fucking know it already. Fucking Destruction All Stars too, NAC three. Yeah, Destruction All Stars two an Act three, that's all they fucking need. What's the ear game?
Or maybe that was never a game? Maybe you just take a picture of pictures. Oh yeah it does, Mark Serni being a weirdo. Yeah, you just needed anyway. By the way, they did implement that to the not the PlayStation headphone stuff, but the I think it was the end zone stuff. Actually end zone stuff. They moved it over there. It's kind of funny. Yeah, but not like this Bloodborne remastered. Yeah, that
would for sure. Honestly, it's probably one of these new Horizon projects, right that was the best selling game apparently ever is the Horizon Uh so uh, you know that's obviously after a lot of sales and stuff. But they believe in Horizon. So maybe yeah, like Horizon MMO project Ready Ago or something like that. Would that be from a different studio because we did get the VR game last year for Yeah Too. I think they're working with a
different studio on on that. I just I just say that because Horizon seems to be their big thing right now, so I feel I figured they maybe want to pair up something like that. But and like something from Naughty Dog's probably not going to be ready, so they've already done all the remakes at this point, so I think are we in the crazy predictions slot? Maybe?
I think maybe Sony Pictures announces a Horizon motion picture this year. Yeah, they are making a TV show, but I wouldn't be surprised that they may also plan to make a movie. Oh yeah, they should do something with that. I think maybe that would be more interesting to me because the act of playing those video games is to me like pulling my own teeth out, Like you couldnot you you couldn't pay me to want to play those games
for longer than like fifteen minutes. Our Wolves and Chain points out, And this is actually might be right because we've heard this rumor it could be the Horizon one remaster for Yeah, because they're going to do that finally, Oh God, tell me say something. I couldn't want. Yeah, like me, me and Mike did a podcast here and I we are We're talking about the Dead Space remake, and we were like, you know, more of this is probably actually a good thing. When it's something older, something less
accessible, bring that up is always a good thing. But of games that came out in the past, like five ish years, it's just like, come on, you know, what are we doing. Everyone who wants Horizon has it, like that's already played it, Like, yes, I don't know. The newest ones of the of that game are identical to the first experience. It's not like this game is evolved in a way that people were like, wow, look at the look at the journey Horizon has been on
you know, Like, no, it's the same game. I don't know. All right. So then before we get completely office Sony, what is the state of psv R two by the time we are at the end of this year in the trash can I think, I think they I think they release official PC support. I think it goes down by fifty dollars, and then I think they say we're good on it. Actually, yeah, it's gonna be the state of PSBR one and the Vita before it's in the second year where they're just like, oh, this was a hit, put on
life support and then we're just out of here. Yeah, yeah, like it's too late. It's so nuts that they launched that thing with no like with not like one triple a Sony game. I think it's the most underdiscussed shocking thing that they did in the last five years. Yeah, how how did that happen? So again, like this is how I've heard it goes down at Sony these days. Is Sony Proper, not PlayStation, not Sony Interactive Entertainment. It's really hot and horny for hardware that they love. But
yeah, and they're like that's that end zone stuff. They're like, hey, we're gonna ride your coatails with this en zone shit, so get ready. PlayStation PlayStation is like, come on, guys, we have our own stuff with all these downs, all right, whatever, And what I've heard is it was Sony really new PSVR two. For whatever reason, it's like love making hardware because it's good because they yeah, and they used to make a ton of TVs and like their TVs don't sells well anymore. These make
a ton of cameras. The cameras don't sell so well anymore. It's like, well, put all that those engineers on this stuff instead, but slap PlayStation on your on your work and it's going to sell. It's like, man, PlayStation is a very delicate thing where it's like that audience has very specific expectations and PSVR two is just not meeting them because the people I think really behind that effort doesn't really care to meet them. It'sn't even thinking about
that. They're just like, hey, this is a we are just using the resources we have to do something and putting PlayStation on it. And that's what that project end up ends up feeling like, so, yeah, their cameras really not sell well, I mean their cameras are they're pointing shoots they used to be. But also like, yeah, their phones don't sell anymore. But I feel like their SLRs are like dominant in that. Yes, but that is not making money for them in the way that it's making Yes,
Sony's making their money actually in the mormal imaging space. Sony makes their money off of selling phone sensors. Yeah, yeah, totally, and then they'll just put those into whatever fucking phone. Right. They have a couple of good business like they also I think working, well, no, this is Samsung. I'm completing that, okay. So yeah, they sell the phone, phone sensors for cameras, and then the business that really makes the
money is PlayStation, and that's kind of it these days. They people always point out they have a pretty big insurance business selling insurance in Japan. Yea, even that it's not making a ton of money for them anymore. So yeah, it's like that's why everything kind of circles back to PlayStation, and it's why play station seems like, hey, you're on top, why are you kind of acting like you're in a corner, like raising prices on everything
and like looking for advantages to like nickel and dime. It's like, because they got to make that money. But that's always been Sony's mom, And I was, yeah, they like when they're in first, they get cocky. Yeah, it's always it's Hubris. Yeah, like they just they're they're like, there's nothing we can do wrong, and it's like, well, if you look at your own history, folks, the last time you were in this position, things went pretty bad for you. It's just really weird.
But I think the thing is like they don't have like in Xbox three sixty is not waiting in the wings, right, Like Microsoft is not going to come out with something this year that is going to shift the tides such that we are having a different conversation about them. But I do think I transition to Microsoft because of that. But yeah, we finish your thought, please, that's it. I just think that they get really cocky, but I think the the odds of them getting bitten in the ass for it are
low now. I just think it just like turns into complacency if it would have to just be a like series of disappointing like their most most hard core fans and they like right now the fans are antsy about the lack of first party announcements, but they're not like it's it's not hurting Sony yet. That would take a very long time I think before they got to that point.
Those fans are worried about, hey, oh, you're shifting all this all these resources to live service games, but they are giving them the benefit of the doubt, especially like hey, Spider Man two, we really did like that. Actually, so absolutely so Microsoft isn't going to have a pro this year of their own sounds like they basically said that explicitly. I think that's
all right, So then sure, what do they have this year? How do they kind of get on top of their own narrative a company that has you know, I think it was like, hey, we're waiting for Starfield, We're waiting for Starfield, and then Starfield comes out, It's like it's got It is a bag, like a very mixed bag, to use a cliche, and that has that led to it's like, okay, well that wasn't the answer, So then is that now the next game going to be
the answer. It's the same thing for Microsoft as always, right, We'll just wait to the next thing. And when are they going to get out of that rut? Yeah? Go ahead, Nikki. I was just gonna say, I wonder if the Xbox solution for this year is actually not software,
if it's hardware. I do think that they should release a PlayStation portal style thing like that that roadmap leaked right and there was there were no handhelds in there, and how up to date that is hard to say, right, but I do think that there is a two hundred dollars sweet spot where they just get an Android phone off of some white label and then slap controllers on the side of it, and they're like, listen, you can play most of the games that are like switch Path, like switch Power Level will
run natively on this thing. And then yeah, I think I think it's really important that some of those games run native. And then some of the bigger ones either you stream from your big Xbox or stream from x cloud or whatever. But like, I think that is probably their move because I don't what are they gonna do least another fucking Halo, Like no, Like,
I don't know. It really is troubling and weird. I think in their effort to like, you know, become this you know, gobbling up all these developers and all this literally a decade of it now of them just being like, well, buy you when we're gonna grab you, and like, obviously that hasn't. I mean, they're like the Yankees, right, Like they buy all the best players and they fail to win the World Series time and time again. Yep. And that started in twenty eighteen, just to
point that out, twenty eighteen when they start started buying stuff. Yeah, when they really started buying a ton of stuff obviously. Okay, so no, they bought Minecraft and stuff before that. But this like current generation of like buying a ton of studios really kicked off a twenty eighteen with those five
studios. I think, okay, so the better part of a decade then, yes, And I think, uh, there is something I don't know, like what's the disconnect where Sony is able to pretty much consistently and reliably nail blockbuster first party stuff time and time again and Microsoft continuing to basically, uh, you know, fumble at the goal line. I mean, Starfield was not the flop that Red Fall was. Oh certainly not, certainly not,
but but it wasn't what starter Field needed to be. Though it clearly was, yes, exactly, it wasn't the answer to all of xboxes problems, which is kind of how I think fans were positioning it and really hoping
it to be. I mean, I think it comes down like a lot of it's timing, a lot of it is the the commitment to seeing through contracts, Like they put out a series of pretty good games that came out for PlayStation, like Death Loop, like came out of PlayStation like oh okay, so like that we're just not going to count that one for you, sorry, Like that that the problem is the Xbox games, right, So, yeah, you put out an Xbox game on PlayStation, you're just not
going to get credit for that. Sorry, they have, but like I don't want to discount what they do have going for them, right, they
have the best value in gaming for my for my money. I still think, and I think the development like that the approach that they've taken where they've had, like people are pointing out High Fi Rush last year and I Pentiment the year before, where they're letting these studios try other things that are smaller that is not happening at PlayStation. If anything, they are eliminating that by getting rid of japan studios and things like that. So and you know,
I think people are like, why is Microsoft doing this? And we're wasting resources on that instead of doing the big games. It's okay, Yeah, they still Microsoft has a problem matching Sony's big Triple A output, sure, but they are making a lot of different kinds of games in a way that
feels more sustainable long term. And now that we're getting this point where like hearing Spider Man three is going to be three hundred and fifty million dollars or something like that it's kind of looked like maybe that was the right choice all along, finding a way to build a brand on a bunch of different, slightly smaller games and having stuff like CF Thieves that can last for ten years
and be really successful for a very long time. It's like, I think Sony would kill for a C Thieves, right, Yeah, So there's a foundation there. I think the problem here is the perception that what Xbox is doing is wrong and what Sony is doing is right right, because Grub brought this up there day on one of the shows where he was like, it does feel like PlayStation has won the console war going on right now, but now what like what does that get you? Whereas, yeah, what does
that make exactly? Like core gamers don't want to acknowledge them Microsoft expanding in the way that they have been into streaming, into mobile, into all these different types of experiences. That is what the future of gaming is. It is, you know, all of us playing our games on our PCs or a high end Xbox consoles, but also the more casual people just firing up a streaming game, We're just firing up a mobile game or whatever. And like, I guess that kind of plays into what Nikki said about like a
handheld and stuff like that. First of all, I would like to use this platform to say, hey, everyone who's saying Series S handheld literally never going to happen because it's physically impossible. The polery is out there, and something that lasts longer than like ten minutes on a bat yea, what we're getting. We're getting like the fifty seven hundred US, the very popular chip that's in a lot of stuff right now. There's some others along that line.
Uh, And it's like that it's a really amazing efficient chip, and it's just so far away from a Series S R. The idea of being able to like slap US an S down into something that size and then being able to have the same experience, because that's what people are hoping for, right They want they don't want to like skip. They see the Series S and they're like, oh, this is like the size of my stick them
on. So anyways, that's a little bit on the side. But I think that's because if a lot of people aren't looking at what Microsoft is doing with partnerships on like mobile controllers and stuff, you know, the kind of like a backbone they slap onto your phone. That is like part of their strategy right there, is to get you know, you can sell someone a one hundred dollars backbone through a partnership, get them on game pass. Boom, you got on our game pass subscriber, and we know that's what they
constantly want. And that's why I think they have a good strategy as not a traditional strategy. So people are looking as like, oh, you're failing, right, but they're looking at the numbers like, nah, dude, we're good, Like this is working, and I like that it's different. I like that it isn't what Sony is doing. I think I think it's better for everyone that they have these sort of competitive and differing strategies, and
I think I think they're good. They're gonna We're gonna get to later this year and people will be like, oh my god, the PS five pro. What is Microsoft going to do? And I think Microsoft's position is going to be and if they're smart, they build a market, get out of this, get a PC. Yeah, it's more powerful than that PS five
pro already and it's just gonna get more powerful. And in a couple of years, we're gonna we are gonna have a news console in a couple of years, and that's gonna come way before a PS six seems like it might come, and so we'll leap frog them then with that hardwork. That's what you care about. But for now, get a PC. It's it's been more powerful than what the PS five's pro is gonna be right alone, they're gonna be. But I think they're literally saying, get a PC and play
Last of Us one, like you know, do that. It's so but it's so strange that like they are. It feels like Xbox has in the past been afraid to offer the personal computer as a part of their suite because they you know, they don't control the store, right not yet, Why
do they just make a personal computer? And like this this this has been in the back of my fucking head literally for six years, because the idea that there is not an Xbox PC that I can go into Target and buy that runs Windows, that like I can like dual boot into an Xbox interface and into a Windows interface. And you sell this to people and you're like, hey, do you know how you go to school and you want to
play video game and you also have to do computer work? Because you maybe edit video or edit photos or whatever, you're some sort of like learning how to be a creative person. It is so nuts to me that there is not a seven hundred dollars PC that is Xbox branded that does all of these things and also can run Photoshop and the Adobe Suite, like maybe change the name or something, but like a surface Xbox yeah, like yeah, like yeah, like some I did think that's where they were headed at some point.
So I thought they're felt like that was coming. Like we said that they're not gonna like put an Xbox piece of hardware into a handle form factor. But what if they made their own Steam Dex style handheld and it is, you know, plays off of what they've accomplished with. It has a good version of Windows that's made for handheld, which is something that they've been talking about. Like so yeah, what if that's where they actually do where
it's like, yeah, this is your PC. You can just plug into a dock and then it does run your Xbox stuff, has the Xbox app. Yeah. That's the beauty of their strategy is that's so open ended, and that's why I actually like that. Like Backler said, it's different, it's different. Yeah, let's they hit a couple more things on Xbox before we do a quick Nintendo round up that the games. So we didn't talk much about like what Sony's gonna have for games this year because we just we
really don't know on the game this morning. This morning, me and Jason talked a little bit about Ghost of Sushima two. Maybe come along Ghost two, that that could happen. We have no idea. We'll probably here soon. They got a lot of third party stuff coming though, so they're gonna be just fine. Xbox has has a ton of games already announced, starting with help A two, which probably will come out this year. Uh, but what else do you guys like from like Perfect Dark Baby? Yeah,
avowed, where's that? I'm excited about that whenever it does come out, If it does probably this year, it's gotta right. I think it's that's a possibility. Gotta all these fucking games gotta come out this year, right, because it seems like it didn't come out last year? Yeah, Like where's Skates Story? Where's that at? Yeah? Show me that one? Where's that that one? Mega Blocks Halo game? Yes? That put that ship out? I think those ones are the most likely we should get updates
on Perfect Dark. That's probably still a year away at least. Uh. Okay, okay, what's the one that had the steely Dan music in the in the trailer Contraband, Yeah, I would like to see something really at this point. You give me hell Blade two, which I don't know if
I'm gonna love. I don't really love hel Blade one, but it looks nice if you put hel Bay two out, and you put out like some games like do some shadow drops equivalent to high Fight Rush, and then you get About out this year, and as long as these games are solid, that's a pretty good year, as long as we also get updates on all of these other previously announced games. Yeah, I kind of felt that way
last year and we didn't do much a bit. So yeah, Fable right exactly, And to be fair, we saw About and Fable at Summer Game Fest last year. So they have that one that was Yeah, so one of the chat points out you know what, they do have potentially a big game for the year called Call of Duty. Yeah, they're gonna be fine in terms of making money now absoutely they're gonna make a lot of money from video games, but reasonably speaking like a Microsoft Call of Duty is not coming
until twenty twenty seven. Uh, like I mean, you know, don't begin to be able to catch those checks, you know. Oh no, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. But I mean, like like a one that is not dictated by the calendar that activision has been running, Like Jack Call of Duty game is not coming out one this year, he's still under the PlayStation contract. I think, yeah, and then that'll be the last one. I think. I can't remember. Yeah, Candy Crush two. Is that that's them? Now? Maybe it
is. They will be making a lot of money from video games. Yes, all right, Nintendo, Uh, we're I mean, we're all expecting a Nintendo Switch follow up this year. It would be with this. Yeah, they put the Super Nintendo Switch. Sounds really good to me, man, I agree, seems like that's the most log like just just do like I think it applies everything they want to imply about it. I think,
yeah, and it's the same. It's a safe one. It doesn't feel like it doesn't feel like we you where It's like it was confusing because you have so many people who understood what a Super Nintendo was versus a Nintendo exactly, so I would love it, but because it's so obvious, it feels like they probably will, but don't you want so? But so are we all because no one calls I mean, I guess, I guess you do call it a Nintendo switch, right, but you call it shorthand, you
call it switch called the switch. Yeah, so what are we saying, like the super you don't want to do that, call it a super yeah, but then like a shorthand, you could just be like SNS two, which is okay, yeah, you don't want to do super switch. Yeah, yeah, because I was I was trying. I was, I literally for fifteen minutes yesterday, kept saying super Nintendo switch, Nintendo super Super. You're just saying yeah, over and over, try to activate myself. But
it didn't work because people will call it a suit like. That's the fear is if you call it super Nintendo switch, people are just going to start to call it super switch. Yeah yeah, and that doesn't sound great. You're right, it's like many syllables. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, listen, and I think they also would be like the alternative is super Nintendo, and we don't want people doing that either, because we don't want we want to keep the trademarks and very distinct and clear right and
don't make things feel generic. Why it could just be super Switch because the nameline old platform is super Nintendo on the actual console says super Nintendo in all big layers like they want you to call it super Nintendo, and then the rest in the smallest things possible. Chat you keep dropping your name suggestions, and I'll ask these guys, what the how they likely they think it is the new Nintendo Switch. That's that's what it's going to be. Here's what
I think. It's very unlikely that that's what it is, because that would imply it is just a pro model, and it's not. It's not going to be a proble, or at least theyn't want position as a pro model anymore. So I think they're afraid of that. Yeah, like none of this switch plus none of this, Like well okay, what about switch to No, I don't think they're going to be a number in it. That's
what they've never done number, yeah, other than sixty four. Yeah, but sorry, I'm sorry, but that's not that's not the that's not me being like, oh you got it's like, oh that was a weird thing that like everything was into at that moment in Gay what was what was the the code name for the switch was it NX, And it was yes, n X, Yes, that's right. And then the code name for the WEU was cafe. Is that right? Oh? How do you know?
Are you just flexing that? You know? I'm just flexing. It's one of the situations where I'm like, asking these things is a question to show off that I remember these things. You want to be games Jeopardy, you want to But the thing they were, those things were instructive about, like towards the the experience that Nintendo was trying to do. Right, Yeah, this thing is redundant. Ideally they're not doing anything new with the next switch.
It is just another one. So maybe they do just fucking slap it two at the end of it. I don't know. I wouldn't be shocked other than I feel like Nintendo really likes be in a position where they're naming is so strong that it does the thing where it was like, well, every game is gonna have sixty four in it, and every game is gonna be like oh uh Ninja, Guiden, Dragon Sword DS. Every game is gonna be a DS call like Colin DS, and then everything's gonna be dream
Drop Distance or whatever because it's three d's like the three DS. I think that Nintendo is proud that their naming conventions are so strong that the other developers, other publishers want to fit into that naming convention. So I think they will be like, we gotta, we have to flex in that way. But I don't know if I also don't know if that's necessarily a good idea, because then they try to do that with the WIU and they're like, oh, yeah, everything will just be zombie you. Yeah. It's like
you know, people say, you know, I'm looking. I'm looking around my shelf and my games over there, and I see a few this few Switches games that have over they're physically I'm like, you know, that's square in the upper left hand corner. You just add a super above the That looks like some symmetry that it would be like a dumb reason that it is what I want. I do want to be called Super Nintendo Switch same. I think it's easy to poke holes in it, but I also think it
makes the most sense today. And then they could call the Super Mario gets right there. Oh my god, they're playing forty chess man. That's it. We've got about an hour. Any other thoughts about Nintendo. I mean, because it feels like the whole like switch to is gonna take up all the Oxygen game. Okay, well how about this METROI okay, game Pass game pas is going to be on switch I don't think so. I don't think we're there twenty four. We're not there. Somebody's gotta fucking make the
backbone sucks. And here's why. I know. Listen, this is not what this show is. The backbone fucking sucks. You know why because the phone is too small. Yeah, phone from get on my fucking phone. That's crazy. Make a backbone for the iPad or the iPad mini and then talk to me. So they also like they're flexible and I hate when it feels like to discuss like that. It's disgusting. Yes, absolutely, okay, Metroc Prime four, I have a bet with Mike. I can't.
Oh, Mike is insane on this one. He thinks that Metry Prime four needs to be a next gen exclusive. I'm like, you are out of your goddamn mind. They're not going to a Metra game platform that will have only a few million units in the first month. Like no, uh, if if it if it primarily comes out on the current switch, he's got to buy me Marguerite Deville. If it primarily comes out on the next switch.
I got a Margerite. That's it. An entire takes his meal at like I tried to get them into a shaving bed and they were not having it, trying so hard. I don't need those flashbacks. I don't need to go back there again. The steaks are a forty dollars meal. What are we doing. I'm gonna get a drink. I'm gonna get a couple of margaritas. Will be sixty dollars naked? Can we poler Is back along. It's not about the money. It's not about the money. It's the
steaks. The steaks needs to Margarita bell. We're gonna get like Coco and stuff. I want Mike to have to, like burn a Disney item. I want you to have to do something else as as evil. I don't love anything as much as he loves Disney exactly. Well, that's true, Uneven, Yeah, I said what I said. I you also really are underestimating how much. Mike. Yeah, let's let's like, let's think about
that. I feel like it's not is it too late to change the rules here, I mean, if you want, like it makes just I mean, I'll escalate that that game isn't going to be a Switch one exclusive. That's easy, come on, of course it won't be an exclusive to the
Switch. I think I think it can still be exclusive. Why I really do, like, well, it depends on how they handle because that's the thing that's a big thing we don't know yet is how they handle switch games on the Switch too, because ability, I mean, is it patches or is it seventy releases? Yeah? No, right right, right, but no matter what, even if it's that he's here, let's hear's not here
to kick me out? Okay, what else? But someone else is so like someone on this podcast would try to jump in like that, we don't know. We Hey, I please talk. Someone's like, I'm not touching anything? Right? That was nice? Oh. What I'm saying is I'll esc like the bet happily. All I'm betting is that Metroid Prime four is not a Switch one exclusively. That's but it's a cross release either I don't think it's a cross release. Oh you don't think it's a cross well,
but but it's back compact to qualify under that term. Like, I don't think it's a switch one game, honestly, I'll go that far. Okay, yes, and I could get a switch one game. Yeah. See, that's that's where you're right. I think when people look at it, they will say that is primarily a switch to game. Okay, and I think they ook at it it will be primarily a switch one Vince. No, I'm convinced, no, no, no, no, no, I'm on MIC's side because because you guys are crazy if they already don't give a
bit about Metroid. Yeah, but but but they've they're realistic about it, and they're like, we need as many people as possible to sell this fucking thing too, because no one buys Metroid selling video games, they wouldn't be releasing a Metroid. Well yes, but that's why very means Demetro for some reason. But yes, he's right, he's right, another fucking Pokemon game. Like why is that matter? Yeah? Yeah, I mean they make a lot of games still want to sell shiny and impressive. It is like
this is the hardcore game for their new console. That's why game when NINT cared about that in the last fifteen years Prime when I can go to hell except for back law. You're great to thank you anyways, how yeah, keep that up. Flattery will get you everywhere. Boy uh no, But like, what is this is the situation that dire for Metroid Metroid A completely garbage can we give? How did for a game that probably has the budget of Metrod Prime for It's pretty dire all right? But but like metroy Drag
comes out and sells three million copies, that's pretty good. Zeno Blade, which is like over Bowl any other Metroid game. Oh sure, yeah, but it's getting better yea with thirty two million units. Weird, weird life cycle. Yeah, like Japan doesn't care about it. It's really is that what it is? It's small, I understand. Yeah, they'd sendo game so very well in Japan to a very small audience that they all just buy it so very much. So the Japanese hate Metroid We're going on, don't
care. They just don't care because it was never popular over there back in the day. It's not popular. METROI Metroid one did pretty good in Japan and then none of the other ones did. It did very okay because it was an FDS game. That's that's the reason why it isn't. Yeah, like bizarre, I do want to I do want to ask one more question on this specific topic. Yeah, Twilight is Twilight Princess a GameCube game of
a week. It's cross play. I mean people think of it as as I think of it as a WE I think it's primarily a WEE game, and primarily it is exactly to WE. But because it was a WE launch people, let's be clear if they position it as a cross generation launch game for the next system, Mike wins the best. He made that clear. He was like he thinks people don't think of it as a switch To.
Yes, that regardless of that, I completely agree that if if it is a cross gende game that they position as a launch game for the next system, then Mike Manati wins the bet. Okay. So you're saying if switch To is like the winning platform for it, if it's if it's equivalent to and Twilight Princess, Yes, yeah, because that was my next question, right, is like Breath of the Wild is a WEU game? Actually that this switch, And to be clear, I think that is still relatively possible
like that that could happen. I just think there's I believe they are going to get this game out this year for the switch, and it will be the last thing for the Switch before they announced the switch to officially. I think that seems right. That's that, and I know it seems kind of it seems a little crazy to people who are like really big Metro fans because they haven't heard anything about it in a very long time. I think they will just sort of reset the clock on it. It's coming out in three
months. As by far the biggest Metro fan around here, I agree, that's exactly what they're going to do. It is the fun. Did you just say to me, oh my god, that's that was way too real home. He and Mike don't like hearing that, like because because he says he he hates Super Metroid. I never said that all the time to me. He says, I hate Super Metro. I think there are games in this series better than Super Metro. That's That's what I've said. That's wild.
Okay, Hey, what does the GIMI think about Metroid? What do you think about Metroid? Yeah, in his fucking grave wherever he is. All right, should we get out of your back, Lar? Yeah, that's that's been great. I really enjoy talking with everyone about this sort of stuff. This was a fantastic panel of predictions, both wild and completely reasonable. Do you guys want to make any bets? Beck, you want to
show us how it's done? I just don't know what. I'm like good to bed on here, Like, this is really not something I've ever gambled on. In this day and age, you can type anything into DraftKings and they'll let you spend money on it. You know that's true. Everything is a prop bet in twenty twenty four. Here's the thing, right, I don't feel super confident or like I don't have a horse in any race where Like you both are clearly uh PICKit about prime for situation. But like,
I don't know what I would even feel that out? Yeah, I saw it too, ny lock you this this is the work. This is the fucking work. Is there going to be a Madden twenty five? In twenty and twelve or eleven, they released as the twenty anniversary that Madden that year was called Madden twenty five. Oh weird. I bet it's still called Madden twenty five. Yeah, me too. I don't think it's twenty nine. Remembers that. I'll say it's called mad in twenty five and we'll take the
bet and back if it's not called matt at twenty five. You have to wear two pay for a day for a day. That's it. That's it. Yeah, that's easy. What are you by your state? Okay, no, to me, there can't be anything higher. But we can get official pictures. Take in your new employee, idea has today with a two payof have an employee? I need twenty four. I'm really wondering at this point what hurts Jeff back on this man is just like, oh, yeah,
you can do it ever you want. What can we can we get you to go out in figure skates and and do and do hockey and figure skates. I can't, is the thing? Yeah, yeah, I can't be. I mean I would do it as a goof maybe somewhere where someone could record me doing that, but like there's too many safety hazards going on there putting. I don't even know how do you even use figure skates? They got a thing on the they got a thing on the toe, but
I can you hockey stuff? Yeah, I'm sure you can. Figure dangerous. I don't know. I do like the two pey thing, like maybe maybe I'll maybe I'll go to like an open skate and skate around with yeah wire sweater. Yeah, I just like film Dibb's face as you walk in the room. Yeah, like that'd be all right. And I'm doing this over fucking mad in the game. I couldn't care less. If it's called
Madden twenty five, you win. You can come up with that restakes you want for me if you if you want to hurt me, you can. I'm very vulnerable, So go to town, Okay, can I can? Can? I can? You're part of the bet, like your steaks be tbd y yeah, and feel free to like take equivalent is that group? Where's a bald cap for at least a day? Right? Yeah, I'm not shaving my head again again, Like, yeah, I don't think that's that's fun. What if I like the two pay and then just be like
you become a two pay guy? Remember Jason Alexander did that for like ten months. Like I'm not bald anymore and this is me and I'm going on the talk shows acting like I've always had hair. I mean, look, two pays should be more accepted in fashion anyway. Oh my gosh, what is it? What is this little that's pebbles, that's her little kitty cat
for months? Now it's up. How's it going to pay? Should be more accepted anyway, I think, Uh, thank you for talking about this marginalized community, you know, like it's it's Larry David as our poster child. Uh, but you wear that like Dan Reiker got propositioned by like one of those Turkish hair implant companies someone, Hey, come out here, We'll pay for you to come out here. Yeah, and he's like, I mean he thought about it, like it would be very weird to show up
with hair somewhere. No, I would I if someone could tell me, like, hey, going to Turkey doesn't so much it is, for sure. I have family marriages, they're better at it. Yeah, yeah, I guess I would do that, all right, I'll do that. Well that's literally knows a guy now. Yeah, so I would really enjoy if I could go completely full expenses paid, I would do it, for sure, Scout. I don't care. I miss I do miss my hair A great deal like I don't. I feel like I feel like we can make
this happen. I miss my Send this dude to Turkey, Send me to Turkey. I think I am Turkish too a little bit, so that would be a double free. Yeah all right, well that's gonna do it for Bombosces. I might be getting my hair back, and I also might be skating around with a two peg. Literally flip a coin and you've got your answer. Thank you so much to Jeff Grubb, to Nicki Grayson, to Turbo Sean, everyone playing along in all the various chats. It's been a
crazy week, but we will be back next time. Hopefully jan Ochoe is feeling much better. I have a RESTful and recovering weekend. Please we'll see you next time. Bye bye, Steer