812: Sam Raimi Mode

Hey everybody, It's Tuesday, October twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. I'm your host, Jan Choa, and welcome to the Giant BombCast, Episode eight hundred and twelve, Powered by Enzys to You and the Power of Puppies. Today, we're constantly fueled by dogs, cats, all types of animals except exotic birds. The Giant BombCast does not support exotic birds. We never have, we never will. Get those scary little almost dinosaurs out of my face, and no problem with them. I got a problem with them. They

get there, they learned to speak. I can't have that, dude, I would be I wouldn't be surprised to find that. Like you know in the Mario movie the it's the alternative universe where instead of being descended from from apes, they're descended from dinosaurs. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that's true of Dan Data then he's a dinosaur. Dan is descended from dinosaurs, while the rest of us are descended from apes. That is where I'm at.

Can you describe to the audio listeners what's going on with my beard right now? No, I don't want to throw up on my nice keyboard. It's several inches down from the face part. The rest of the there's still more beard and in there is fuzz fluff. He just got it out, Ladies and gentlemen, we have removed the fuzz. Oh good podcasting? Was that from? All? Right? Well, joining me is always co captain of the ship. Jeff grib It's twenty twenty three. I'm taking gut health

seriously. Jan that's right, take your probiotics, drink some hot water. Expert on hot water and other hot beverages and hot liquids, Jeff Baklar. That's true. I love it. Huh. Everyone knows that's me. Give me a hot thing, and I'm happy. We got the hottest thing. It's the hottest sport right now. Yes, yes, expert on temperature, whether that's all things hot, all things cold, all things lukewarm, and all things room temp, room tap dan record, that's me. I watched

part of the Grand Slam of Curling in Canada in a hotel room. There's a lot of yelling in it. Yeah, yeah, a lot of communication. Which one is the curling? Is that the one where like they're brushing the stones, Yeah cool, and those stones are like only come from one part of the world. And they're super duper expensive and stuff. Why don't we get into this curl? Absolutely? Yeah? I mean is curling very accessible? Like I'm sure where Dan is now? Yes? Uh, I

think you have curling available to you in any reasonable manner. Well, I'm gonna look now, I travel weather situation going on here? I think so if a storm happens and I get knocked out, it is the sky is weirdly dark for eleven thirteen am so okay, all right, keep an eye on it. Saw you back. There's a San Francisco Bay Area curling club. I stand corrected, and now you gotta curl? You know what that's because it smells like something? What's that? That was a little pre showed

jem. Tune in live and then you'll you'll get the you know, or check the twitch archive. I guess how's it going? Boys, I'm fucking mad at myself and I'm I'm never mind no no surprizes this. Yeah? Can I sit on the couch for a second? Please wait? Actually I'm want to lay down, sprawl out, Okay, puts your feet up, Yeah, my fet I set up my Uh. I've been in this house for years now, and when I got here. I I set up my Internet like h like the pro I thought I was, and I found out

yesterday that I I've been living a lie. You've been using Wi Fi this whole time. I fucked my shit up and set it up the wrong way. And oh you got that reverse Internet. Yeah, they were taking the Internet away from your I reversed the downs and the ups, the Wi Fis and the lands. I fucked up so royally that I was just handicapping my entire network. And I only realized that yesterday when I was upgrot when I updated one of the devices on my setup. And I'm just like so mad

at myself. Now, it's not anything that's hardwired, so like this computer was always fine operating a full PA. It was just wireless stuff and also the other drops that I have around my house using the Mocha technology. Sure, I'm just very mad at myself. Uh rookie mistake, user error to the highest degree. I got it all fixed yesterday. It involved a pinball machine, because all good things in life do in your pinball fucked up your

Internet story's oldest time exactly. Okay, my pinball machines are connected to the Internet. I'll have you know you can't do that. Uh, And I find and and that and and it was because I received a new pinball machine that I discovered all of this nonsense folks. And thank you pinball, you fixed my WiFi. Look, long story short, it's all fine. What was wrong? Okay, it's such a it's a like I feel like eleven people are going to understand what I'm saying. Hey, those eleven people will

feel represented back. All right, everyone knows what Okay, everyone knows what mocha is. Right. Moga is when you take your internet, your wired intern Ethernet internet connection and basically place it onto the coax use wiring in your house. Your INTERNT comes out of the cable, it goes into your router, and then you send it back into the cable so it can go through the cable and the rest of your house. So instead of having Ethernet ports,

you have coax sports that can act basically as Ethernet ports. That's also a delicious chocolate espresso drink that, of course no one confuses the two, but thank you anyway for discrepancy. Right Listen, So here's the deal. I had four Mocha drops in my house and when I say a drop, I mean like, oh, a house, I'm sorry, a room where coax comes out. And that's the beauty of Moca. You're like, oh damn, I don't need to wire up my house because I got co acts.

Because every house built between nineteen seventy and nineteen ninety like automatically wired it up with coax. Right, So, because cable is always a thing, and they're like, all right, we'll have cable in it. So they figured out the coax ethernet and that's fantastic. Okay. I put a Mocha adapter, which is the thing you need at the coax drop, which takes the the ethernet of the coax and allows you to have Internet wherever there's a

coax drop. I connected switches to all of those Mocha adapters, so I give myself a couple options there. And out of all those Mocha drops, I put an access point like a Unify, like one of those Ubiquity dishes, an access point so I can evenly spread out my Internet connection no matter where in the home you are. Okay, so far, so good,

So far, so good. Yesterday, I'm trying to connect one of my pimball machines to one of these wireless drops, and I'm noticing that like the Internet was the Mocha, like was connected, but there was no Internet coming out of it. And a couple hours later I came to find out that the initial entry point where Internet enters my home, I had the Mocha set up backwards upside down. Yes, it was completely Internet. It was never

coming out of these access points. So it was but down the line, okay, okay, So like I screwed up at the entry point of the house, but further down my Mocha line, right further down the workflow. I had Moca working but like like for like stations three and four. Okay, so like Moca's working there, but not in front, so like any time. So there were parts where I thought I had a wired connection and it was secretly, secretly, it was a lie. It was a lie.

It was a lie, and it's it's a much longer story and much more upsetting story when you really drag it out all out and unpacked the whole thing. But I fixed it through the help of a friend. And I'm here to tell you that you should get a pinball machine, because that's going to fix your Internet. Then again, we all who hasn't been there? How can I get the longer story? You? You be like, all,

back Layer is such a dumb ass motherfucker that you did this. I did this five years ago when the Internet first got installed in the house. I did it five years ago. It's been wrong for five years. Okay, yeah, that's pretty upsetting. Actually, how could I become the Jeff Backler of espresso machines? Where like I just get sent one, you know, and like, hey, like he's sending up dms. You know you can make it happen, all right? What's the angle here, guys?

What's the angle? Where? Like? How can I convince a fancy coffee company to send me a bad YouTuber an espresso machine? You say that, you say, I've been very vocal about my love of coffee. My gamer tags a coffee thing, and you know we I've said this for many, many years on podcasts, and I would love to you know, I've heard great things about the product. And you know, if you maybe if you do comp units, if you want to send one out, I could do

a post on Twitter. I could do a post on Instagram, maybe story or two. I bet you Dan could get all of us cast it, including himself, the whole extended giant bomb universe, all of us wind up in a movie somehow because of Dan Reichert. Is there a new Smurfs movie coming out? I would like to be on that. What Smurf would you be, Jeff Greb I would be the Lady Smurf. I think it'd be very pretty. Okay, it's your name, Smurfet, Smurfat Smurfet. Is

there a villain and Smurfs? Yeah, Gargamele and you look just like him. Okay, oh you are a gargamele. Listen, don't you think though, Dan, I know you're like the ultimate con person when I'm getting free stuff, right, I have all the confidence in you in the world. But don't you think like talking about how you do it is like just the tiniest bit incriminating, like not a magician. There's no code also, but like something about it, but like I don't know, there's just something that

comes off as like like a little disingenuous. Like no, I think I think it comes across as extremely genuous. What genuine genuine? Yeah, thank you? No, Look, I have all the faith in the world in you for this sort of stuff, and I never would think twice. But I just also think that like, yeah, I don't know, I mean, it would be just genuine, right if I if I was trying to get free stuff that sucks and I was saying it was good, that's disingenuous.

But like, I'm only trying to get free shit that I like and that I can be like, yeah, that's actually kicks ass, that's thing I got for free. I mean, honest transaction on all fronts. It's nothing but honesty. It's the most honest thing imaginable. If I somehow can take that podcast clip of Jeff Bagler talking about Mocha and convince them that no, he was talking about the fun chocolatey espresso d a yes, And it's like, oh, you know, we were just talking about Mocha's for an

extended period of time and my coworker was getting it wrong. He got the Mocha's wrong. But are you prepared to be accused of being in the pocket of Big Mocha. I'm ready, Yes, I've beat it. I'm in the pocket of my Bojangles Xbox series X. If you think my love of my Bojangles Xbox is disingenuous and you don't know that's a big pocket. You're like being there, You're good, yes, yes, Uh, this is

gonna be the start. This is gonna be the launch of this. We're we're we're not only gonna start, continue punching down, gonna keep yes ending, and we're gonna get an espresso machine for me and then as soon as all three of you come over, we're having fun espress or drinks out of teeny tiny cups. I find I do wish that for you, Jan. I know how much you love espresso. I love it too. I want that for you. And you know, I think with Dan's twelve step course,

you'll be on your way to getting free shitting no time. Jeff Becker. Oh you know what else? I love sat I love podcasts same. I love when a new podcast is started, specifically from my peers and friends and family at GameSpot. Beckler, that is right, Jan Ochoa, what use is the best? Reminded me of like talk about you're the best, You're the best. Uh, this is exciting. We've been working on this

for a very long time and we're launching a new podcast. Uh. Actually, game Spot is launching a new podcast because we are launching the game Spot Review Cast, and that is going to take like a curated selection of the latest and greatest game Spot reviews and turning them into quick and easy digestible podcast episodes, mostly voiced over by our own Fife and Tomorrow Hussein. Very exciting stuff. If if you're someone who you know, you're like, I don't,

I don't, I don't want to read that review. I want to listen to that review for you. Yes, this is for you. Uh So we're gonna help them host it, and uh, you know, shouts out to Tam and Emma and the team at GameSpot that has been helping us produce this for a very long time. A lot of it obviously as a big lift on their end. So it's been really awesome working with those people.

And you can start listening to it right now. The podcast is already live wherever you get podcasts, but we're also going to be hosting them a little later today on giant bomb dot com, So if you want to listen to it in a player on a site, you can go do that. And I believe there will be a story going up sometime today on GameSpot dot com that just sort of like intros the show to everybody. I believe there's a Spider Man two is up there. Now, there's a couple other post

you know, dated reviews and whatnot. And what's really cool too, is we're gonna anytime there's like a relevant review that or a game that the gang talked about on like the after Dark podcast, we're gonna sort of like surgically remove that portion of the conversation from that show and also pop it into this other feed too. So it's really exciting. Like I said, we've been working on it for a while, and that is launching two day and you

can get it wherever you handle your podcast affairs. Let me tell you I I work with, well, it's most mostly two people that inspire me to be a more organized person. Those two people being Lucy James and Emma Fife. Let me tell you, Yeah, I didn't know you could check off someone else's ASNA tasks that have been overdue for an extended period of time, ticking those boxes and just being like, don't worry, Jen, I got it. Like shit, okay, I didn't think you know you could see

my board, but okay, uh fantastic. Uh backler, what does it call it again for folks the it is the game Spot review cast and shouts out to the fantom our team for a dope blue logo. We got going on logs right, a little logs act. So yeah, really exciting. I'm super I'm like half like proud and relieve that we got this up. You know, it took a while. Everyone really put a tremendous amount of effort into it, so thank you everyone involved in that. And it's super

sick, just really well produced. Very proud of it. Go check it out. Something that I don't know if someone else is proud of. Let's talk about games by the Way, Games by the Way, Games by the Way. I'm sure a lot of people work very hard on this, but I don't know if they can one hundred percent be proud of it. And Jeff Grubb, this hurts me, all right. I keep I'm saying you say it. I'm gonna sit back and let you say it. I keep myself very quiet about this, except for my love for Sonic Advance Too,

which I still maintain is one of the best Sonic games. I sat through Dan playing All Sonic O six and just quietly nodded my head and said like, yeah, this is this is a bad game. This was a dark game. I mean you can play it if you want to as well. No no, no, no, no no no, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's all right. We al replayed it. We don't need to rehash that Sonic Superstars. I loaded this up because I was thinking, oh, you know, Mike really likes it. Grub doesn't.

But like I know that where Grub falls on the Sonic coin the gimmick. I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth because he might jump in here because he's want to do as he want to do. He's gonna get me here and say it's fine, which is code for it's bad because he fine Sonic. When someone says fine, you're you're just saying like it works, like it turns on and you can play it. Listen. Sometimes I know I'm gonna need to say fine for things. I don't want people to yell

at me about so yeah most of the time. But when I say it, I mean it everyone else, it means it's actually bad better than Sonic the Hedgehog four, Yes, okay, cool, yeah, yeah, I really like Sonic all Stars Sonic Superstars. Oh boy, is this rough? This is this is not good, gentlemen, This is not a good Sonic game. They had a good Sonic game. Why didn't they do more of that? This? Wait, which one are you referring to? Is the good one? All Stars? Sorry? Sorry? Okay? And I didn't

know if like Frontiers had breached into good and Frontiers? Is Frontiers is fun? You know? No, I'll back you up, grub Frontiers. I'm like looking for it, Like, what is frontiers? You said a lot with one syllable? There really questioning fun mileage out of that. The thing is, there's no questioning about Sonic Superstars here, like that that power that you get before, like the First Boss where you just launch a bunch of Sonics. They're all dying like what are we promoting here? And you look

exactly like them? So you get lost it's okay, skillishe whatever? And then you but it's like it's just badly it's so uninspired. There's nothing to care about there. It's like it's really really weak. It's obviously not made by a team that had a lot of leeway to get very creative. With Sonic. They had a goal get a Sonic game out re established Sonic with maybe this like slightly updated art style. That stuff they did well with everything

else. I think the music's not very good except for a few a few exceptions. I think that the feeling is okay because it like that they just took what work with Sonic Media and they put it in the background here. So that stuff is mostly okay. But then the levels are boring and repetitive and not interesting, and there's just nothing, nothing new that's inspiring. There is nothing where you feel like, oh man, this is a spark of

something new. It is always a callback to the older Sonics and it's either exactly like that to the point where it's like, okay, yeah, being underwater and having to get oxygen it's memorable. Not actually a great gameplay mechanic, but memorable. And now we're just doing exactly that again with no nothing sprinkled on top. No like, hey, let's let's take that to the next level and do something with that. No, they aren't gonna do that.

They never throughout this entire game, they never do that, and I found myself getting pretty frustrated. And then the boss fights are inane that they are inane That's the thing that bugs me the most is like I enjoyed the format of the old or original boss battles where it's like, all right, I can kind of cheessee this. If I get stuck in this corner, I can keep bouncing on like Eggman's head and then get rid of them super

quick. They draw these boss battles out so long when they don't need to be, and like, it just completely stalls any momentum that you start to build up with a game, and it just Sonics whole thing is about going fast. Sonic goes much faster in Sonic O six than he ever does. Yeah, well, it's a lot a lot of waiting here. It is, Uh, you hit the boss once and then he's got to go through his entire routine again, and you're not allowed to hit them that entire time.

You got to just wait for him to do his thing. And so occasionally, after he gets through doing his thing, you can force him back into a position where you can hurt him again. But most of the time you're just waiting for that opportunity, and there's nothing fun about that. It is just waiting and occasionally dodging some stuff. But it's you're just sitting around so and then the final boss fight is the worst offender with that stuff,

and it's a lot of trial and air. And I probably spent about forty five minutes on that boss fight. It felt like hours. Like Mike warned me, it's like people a sand it's gonna take hours. And I got really five minutes for the A Sonic boss fight for the last Sonic buff fight, trying it over and over and over, and I probably tried like fifteen times. It is kind of where I ended up. A lot of those were like tilted, like thirty second attempts where I got hit early. I'm

like, fuck this, I'm starting over. But yeah, I like looked at the clock because I like texted Mike and I said, I hate this game, and I've said that before the boss fight. I'm in the last level. Just the last level is actually really bad too. It is you're going through You're like, why is this so weirdly designed? Why does this feel stilted and odd? And then you realize it's because the way that they're elongating this game is you're going to play that exact same level as soon as

it's over. The second act is spoilers for fucking Sonic Superstary Live with it. You're going to go back through that level exactly the same, but everything is in reverse. So it's like they just kind of up, yeah, exactly, so soon it's it's like, oh, so you just did a bad job designing it both ways and just kind of called it a day.

And so I'm like, I hate this game. I could tell that this level is just complete shit already, and then I got the boss fight a little bit after that, and that was like probably an hour between that when I finally beat it. So I'm like, I spent probably about forty five minutes on that boss and I hated every second of it. It's bad, bad I had. I kept saying that I beat this before I really played

Wonder. So we played Wonder that day. Thank God I got this to get some of that in there, to like really give me the urge to beat this thing and get through it. But I got through it. And what do the gimmicks feel about it? Uh? So yeah this they Addie keeps going to it and she is definitely getting something out of it, but she just really likes Sonic and I think the way the characters look is pretty good. They got the fat little you know, stumpy Sonic, which is

quite shiny. They're shiny looking characters at sam Yes, and I'm like, most of that stuff actually works surprisingly well. Obviously I prefer sprites because I'm forty fucking years old, but they did a good job of capturing that magic in this game to the point where I'm like, I'm pretty happy with the look and and if this is going to be the future of how these games

are going to look, I think that's just fine. But this is Sega and Sonic team going to our zes the developer, and that's the developer of baland Wonderworld and the developer of Yoshi's New Island. And it's like, that's the kind of level of quality that you're going to get out of our zest because they are just going to do a job. And if you don't give

them good direction, you're gonna end up with a balland Wonder World. If you give them kind of okay Nintendo direction, you get a Yoshi's New Island, which is not good but not the worst thing in the world. And that's kind of what this is. It's not good, it's not the worst thing in the world, and that's where you can. If you're a Sonic fan, I think you do come away from this going maybe it's fine, or maybe you end up like Jan and being like, especially Jane, you

played Mario right before this. Yeah, that's not gonna help this game at all. It is doing it. No favors. You can. You literally cannot go from Mario to this game. No one on Earth would have a good better time with this game than with Mario. It's like one dude who is adamant that, Like, I played both of them, Sonic's definitely better. No, yeah, there's eleven of them out there. The most indefensible things. The people that get the Mocha are the people that are big Sonic

fans, and they're gonna like this better than that. Absolutely, I disagree. I think most Mocha people will realize. I mean, I have not played Sonic, but I know Mario is amazing, So I just want to set the record ste thank you. I feel like it's it's similar to how Silent Hill fans must feel, where it's like, hey, you know, we got something finally, We'll just deal with it. It's cool. No,

it's cool, it's fine. We're satiated for now. Does any woudn't understand what that new Silent Hill thing is that like Silent Hill interactive TV show that is coming out soon? Yeah? What is that? No? I don't I don't really understand. I don't know. I'm mildly interested if when does it launch? And people in check and shout out they want to help us there, because maybe we could like sit in and watch the first episode and like and do that line. Oh yeah, let's do an illegal stream

and we don't okay, I like that. Well. Speaking about going fast, Jeff Grubb, you've been going fast in a car? Yeah, I played. I can't remember the name of this game. I just call it Hot Wheels too. Is it super charged? So what it's called? I trust turbo charge sounds right. This is a sequel to the one that came out not that long ago, right like during the pandemic with the Hot Wheels

tracks and like tiny car, big world type thing. Yes, exactly, the first the first stages at bedroom gimmick by the way, a Big World Wheels, Hot Wheels Unleashed, two colon turbo charged. Thank you. Yeh see, this is why I can't remember. That's just a bone. That's word soup there, but whatever, it's a good game. I was okay. So I played Turbo Charged one right after I played Cruise and Blast. And Cruise and Blast is such a roller coaster ride, like you could tell

it's cheating to make sure it keeps you doing the fun stuff. But I'm like, I like doing fun stuff, so that's great for me. I'm having a good time here, and it's like obviously a port of an arcade game, but they did a pretty good job of bringing it to the home

and just making it feel like a good time. And then I went to Hot Wheels and it's like this arcade reser that's kind of like in between, like, Okay, you're gonna be doing power power slides and stuff like that, but it's still going to try to be some It's gonna it's still the vibes of something that's like a roller coaster, but you're in control a lot. And I didn't like the way it felt so much, and so I

didn't stick with it. This one I picked up, and either I'm in a different place or the game has improved to the point where I'm like, I really like the way this one feels now the power slides are very good. You are breaking into the turns and then you're just feathering the break in the gas to make sure that you could stay in the middle of the track. You're pulling out of the turn and you're building up your it's it's a

it's an arcade racer. You're building up your power meter and then you're boosting out of that and you've got really cool air control, something I think was in the first game. All that stuff is just working better here than it did in the last one. Uh So yeah, I'm like, I'm definitely in the mood for this game. It's really hitting better than the first one for me, but I've played a ton of it, so I'm not sure like what the variety is like and what the unlocks are like. Seems like

that stuff is pretty promising. But in terms of the gimmick of Hey Little Cars, Big World, this is another great one of those, and I like immediately was like, oh yeah, bedroom level, let's let's go. So yeah, I'm into it. I wonder if is the air control gimmick and like the different controls and stuff, would it wouldn't make it so it would be hard on a steering wheel because I was thinking about breaking out the

steering wheel for that. Well, let's think, yes, yeah, I probably would because I'm like some steering wheels have like a dpad, but that's not going to give you need analog sticks for because it's like both analog sticks to do full air control. I don't know how an arcade racer that's going to be for families. I don't know how many levels are going to have a requirement for you to do difficult air control like Rocket League style air control.

You're like, okay, I am, do you want to jump off this and now I want to be upside down and sort of diagonal to hit this track up here to continue this. They're not going to do a lot of that, but maybe there are some like shortcuts that take advantage of that. Again, I haven't played a ton. I think that like having that option in there to increase the skill ceiling so you can get even more out of this is probably pretty important to like the long term enjoyment of this game.

But if you're just going in to have a good time for a little bit, maybe a racing bill could be fun. I would probably recommend a controller, though I think I'm in the mood for a racing game. I think, yeah, I didn't realize it you describing it. It's like, yeah, I think I could play some of that right now. I think, yeah, I think this is the one that definitely check in on. It's definitely working for me. I was going to say the same. Yeah,

I love the first one a lot, especially the track builder. That was tons of fun. Oh yeah, that makes sense. That could be a good time. Yeah, yeah, I think like it's I think just from a just a position of like timing, this is gonna be a tough one to like fit in right for me. Yeah, It's it's a it's you know, victim to the time in which it's released, right, So I'm just gonna have to like put a pin in this one and then twenty twenty four to five, whenever I get around to it, is gonna have

to be the date for this one. But uh, it's what I'm putting on my my Steam deck and I'm gonna be okay, I'll be picking it up there here and there. I loved it. I love that first one. Who's great. Have any of you gentlemen ever used tilt controls while playing

something like Mario carton. No, it's no jan, come on, what do you I don't know, because Dan was talking about like playing a racing game with a wheel, and I was like, you know, sometimes I could just tilt that bad boy, but it never works how I wanted to work. You don't want it, even even with the plastic gimmick like the old Mario kartwee thing. You don't want it. No, no, no, do not ever because of that thing. I was just like, I don't want to play. I know you could play with controller, but I'm

like, fuck that. I don't know. I never played it to me here, it's really good levels. I should go back and try it. Does there'll be an eight eventually, right, Yeah, I please run to ten now because Mario Kart Mobile is is nine according to Nintendo. You've got to keep up, jam keep up. Oh my god? What is the RC car one? Then? Oh tour yeah, I know, live live my way, tour live. I think both words are in there, I think, But uh, yeah, he's gonna get a little car. Yeah,

I don't know. That was a point five. I guess the kids love that game. Man, it's they've never actually played the game part. They just ride it. Around and see themselves in the camera. And then last yeah, it's off. It's fun. I just found the track stuff to make the tracks, and I have enough room in this basement, and I'm like, I should just set that up for like Christmas or something, and that would be like I've got the gift, like like two gift giving

opportunities out of that. And live home circuit. Okay, there it is. Home circuit. It's kind of a tour. It's it's funny like how they play in a home tour, live circuit whatever we called it. Uh, how when you're playing on your switch, it looks like you're going incredibly fast, but then when you look at the actual Mario Kart in real life, it's just going. Is that Is that the theory of relativity because it's smaller that like speed is, affects it different. I'm not ready to describe

physics right now. Sure the questions like or not, hey answer and fast and they're tiny. Listen answer fast. I saw the movie Clock Stoppers ASI and it has messed me up. The French Stewart Classic Clock Stoppers French cinema of course, cinema financial And then he had said, oh, we're not really stopping time, so we're just going really fast. Didn't know Jan had a great French. I didn't know either, and I'm kind of a shamed

that I do. I just want to see your face when you did that voice, an, could you just do that one more time for me? It's not we're not really stopping pie, We're going fast. When Little Jimmy Stewart is a monologue and it's just stuck with me, and it's just like one of those stupid things you hear as a kid of like, no, he's right, Frinch Stewart, Jimmy Stewart's son. That would be messed up. I'm not looking at differently. Yes, Jimmy Stewart. Yeah, they

sounded like that. Huh huh. Well that's just my head canon now, uh huh uh. God, what's another Stewart related to them? Little Stewart John John, Yeah, Stuart, the guy from Mad TV, the one with the legs. God man, any time Mad TV comes up, I feel like other folks will just get filled with rage and disgust, and I get filled with joy. I mean that makes sense. It just makes me think of in living color, and then I get happy. That's where yeah,

that's Will Sasso up to He's in stuff. He's in stuff. He's always got like, he's got speaking lines in shows. I see him a lot, he will right there, two different people, like the ginger stand up comedian who always goes hot pockets. That guy. Yeah, okay, Will Sasso. Will Sash appeared on Raw as Hulk Hogan once. That's cool. He's in a lot of No, he's in a lot of stuff. Like I'm just looking at his wiki recently. He just finds his stuff in

like everything. I feel like I see him on a bunch of streaming shows where he's just Will and Jim Gafkin are different than the Mad TV guy that did the impressions, right, Who's Who's that? That's the guy who does Madden. Yes, okay, all right, okay, I'm just trying to keep him all straight. I've played Madden with him. I don't know, I don't know how you confuse Sasso and gaffigin that to me is like there they're white pasty comedians. Not really. I mean, okay, it's fine

on behalf of all pasty people. No, But Jeff Greb that was a wild swing of a comparison there and speaking about Swinging Marvel Spider Man two. I don't know if anyone else has anything to say about it. It's a good game. I like it. Fucking amazing, is what I'll say. I back, Have you guys beaten it? No? Come on, I stopped finished at you jumped off you. I stopped after I did all of the side stuff and I had ten story missions left. And you don't want

to see what happens. You don't care what happens with with Spider Man's absolutely not meet the spider Mans. Can I can I ask this is a a Mike manatty point that I fully agree with The people in this game smile too much. Sure, yeah, they're like, uh, they're like they look like real dolls sometimes. Sure, I know. Wait, I have trouble trusting any of the Osbourne's as is because of I just know their characters from the comics and movies. Uh, and just seeing that motherfucker smile all the

time. It's like, I don't I don't believe you're you're genuine here, Jerry Dan. You bounced off this game because of the storyline. Is that what am I to believe? Honestly, didn't mind the story itself for the way they were portraying like it's it's They're doing a good job in the cinematics and everything. It's just all those story missions were very long, already boring

compared to I like the open world stuff. Commata. Yes, I just not my I don't care enough about Spider Man to push through because of that. So I got to that one Mary James sneaking around the house things like, you know, I'm good. I got a good get the Halo pistol though, and that feels pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty the shocking, Yeah, it's it's pretty cool. Jan Does Harry Osbourne look like Ruffio to

you because he does to me? No, No, no, he said that out loud on a podcast, didn't he, Jen, I'm just gonna we just move on. I just the Filipino American community does not claim Harry Osborg nor do we condone the statements. If Harry Osbourton was, like, you know, a person of color, that would be problematic. But if a white person looks like Rufio, that's just weird. I don't he doesn't. I don't think, but like, just empirically, I do not think he looks like him. No, you know. I like, That's why

I asked, because I looked. I went back and looked him like, why was I thinking he doesn't? But like for some reason in my head, and I'll say, there, Grub, you're not wrong. There is something weird about how Harry, the way Harry just fucking looks. It has nothing to do with looking like Rufio. But Rufio the Kingdom Heart? Who is Rufio Hook Hook? Dante Bosker like Captain Hook. He's Captain Hook. No, no, no, he's Rufeo. He's the leader of the Lost

Boys. It's like, you've never seen anything from Disney. I've never seen Hook. Have you never seen Dustin Hoffman and Robin Williams and Bob Hoskins going at it and are all very talented actors. But Peter Peny Stielburg's Hook. I remember Spielberg made that, Okay, I just remember it looked lame as a kid, and the most arguably engaging presence in Disney didn't make Cook. Disney didn't make Cook. Hear you Disney cough in silence? Could a bridged

version of his yellow No. No, I've heard that so many times now, and it took me a few listens to realize he layered in a couple of his name is Mike, like in the background, like a couple of times there's death. Yeah yeah, it's mixed. It's like completely produced. You know who, Harry has time on his hands, right, you know who? Harry Osborne looks like he looks like the actor Will Poulter because they have that same like sure face, good, Wow, you've got a good

will Poulter. Will Poulter is a good poll Jan, I'm just showing my acting chops here, folks face. Yeah yeah, I could never get my face to do that, but if I asked it to, this is incredible. Back, let go ahead, Just like a dude who always looks like he's surprised at something, right, like, yeah, he's stuck like that. What you got to do to get a good will polter face, I guess is uh and be a little poulter Geist shouts out to the Poltergeist Gang,

that's what his fans call themselves. Of course you got to play a game of little face at the dinner table. I think I know what this is, but I want to hear you describe it. I think this was a bit from Workaholics where to. Whoever has to cover the tip for the bill or doesn't have to cover the tip, is the person that can make the smallest face by scrunching their face the smallest Yeah, I feel like Adam Devine stuff like that. No, no, no, it has to be

all face muscles. So so this is gonna play great for audio listeners. But let's take a quick round like ba grub. Prepare. I'm gonna give you a count to three to make the smallest face you can that hurts your face it one two three, small face? Nothing changed, nothing changed, right, okay, damn? Count of three to make the smallest face you can, right, one two three, small face? No, no, nothing's moving there, all right, all right, Jeff Beckel already one two

three, small face, really red though even his voice got tiny. I don't know if I can measure up to that. That's a really small face. All right, And here's my he's condensing you got to pay the tip. Fine, I know we cover the tip. Al right, everyone at home, here's your chance to do a small face. Count of three, everybody, everyone listening live in the archive, make a small face, a small as over in three two one small face. Wow, that was really

good. That's really how small you got. That's kind of alarming. Don't don't do that anymore. Good work, everyone, Good work. Anyone else got anything to bring up? Before we get to the game of the week? Will Poulter the are you guys are getting paid? Kay? Is that him from the meme you guys are getting paid? Oh? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah him as like a teen right, yeah, totally that's him.

Okay, all right, I just want to keep my Polter straight. I've been messing around with the Meta Quest three and the uh the ar stuff is pretty interesting, but it is definitely in that VR tech demo realm of like this is interesting for this particular free thing that they put on here to show off this technology, which I don't know if you've seen it, but like I went into a big, like rectangular empty room and it's basically says,

here's where the walls are, and the way you scan everything with it is really easy actually setting up the boundaries and all that, and with the pass through it's full color now and everything so you can see, like I can walk around the house with it on. I'm going upstairs talked abound like it's

actually like way way better now. So I went in that room did the thing, and so it looks to me like I'm just walking around like my shoot room there, and then all of a sudden you hear these noises and the little spaceship crashes through the ceiling, real ceiling, and then it's sitting. It flies around the room and it lands, and it's really effective because I'm walking around the room and I actually, like at one point was walking and then I tried to like not hit it with my foot and I was

like, wait, that's not that's that's a work in spaceship. That's not that's not there. And then all these like little like like Bug Triple Triple, the Star Trek things, they start like headbutting the walls and breaking in. And so as your actual walls and ceilings start getting like broken, you see that your room is in. It's like on an alien planet, and so and your walls keep getting knocked away as you're shooting at them and stuff.

So by the end you're basically like you see your floor, but it's just like you're standing on like Mars or something. And it's actually super effective. I mean, I don't know how many games are going to utilize this. It feels like, you know, Astro's playroom utilizing a bunch of weird controller stuff then nothing else ever, will you know? Sure? But does does the the walls that are breaking line up kind of pretty close to your

real world walls exactly? Yeah? Okay, See that's that's encouraging because that means they really can line up all these digital things in the world and you probably can do a lot with that. But I'm like want people to like go in and like mod out like Conan O'Brien from Death Stranding and just have him be like a virtual assistant with this thing you can have around your house or whatever stuff like that. That's that's where I want this to go.

And I hope the Medicalist three can like have that sort of ecosystem where people are just doing crazy stuff with it. If I have to rely on Facebook to support it, that's what I'm worried about. I don't know if you do anymore, Well, you don't have to sign into Facebook for Facebook owns oculus, Oh of course, Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, there is some smart stuff'm seeing now where it's like there's a boxing game called Thriller The Fight. It's kind of like a cartoony you know, like punch

out style boxing game, which I always wanted to try more. But when you are swinging punches, even if you set up a boundary exactly where you want it, it's not a good feeling to to swing by, Like it's just not fun to play. But with the pass through, like ar thing, it just looks like the guys are in your room and so it's so much easier to avoid you know, the walls and all the stuff on your floor or whatever. It's it's kind of cool. How is it Telerope Boxer,

Like that's a virtual boy reference Hot hot reference? Yeah, yes, Dan, how good? Good is it about? Like tracking your hand placement and like how tactile is it or is it just kind of like tracking like your hands when you're when you're holding like the controllers. It's pretty much the same as like the previous quests, Like it's it's pretty one to one.

Yeah, it works really well. There's cool things where it's like like the uh I never did much of the hand tracking stuff without the controllers on previous quests, but I did it here and it's cool because like your menu where you launch your library or settings or anything like that. It just shows up

like a screen that's floating. It looks like it's like as big as like a big iPad, and it's floating in space, and you can just like walk through your actual room and just like you grab it, you bring it over here. Okay, I'm tapping this. I'm watching this game like it's in terms of the quality of life, like just wearing it and feeling like you're still kind of part of the real world and walking around your house.

It's kind of handy, like you can. It's it's weird because it's using several different cameras and stitching them together, so like if you're looking at a text or something, or if you need to use your phone, it's kind of like, well, okay, you got to be dead center otherwise it starts kind of wharping. But it's the pass through is a million times better. Say that. In terms of the game stuff and everything still VR games, you know, there weren't like a lot of like killer apps or anything

like that. I played a mini golf game. It was pretty fun. There's I Expect you to die three. I did like a Less Mills body combat like all this shit that you know, it's it feels like VR games have always been. But I am going to play a half live Alex now. Oh cool, Yeah, I'm excited to hear about that. Yeah.

I was thinking with its sounding like the pass through is exponentially better than it's been, and with it tracking your hands really well, there has to be some type of like good like I don't know, exercise program or boxing program to like really help you work on your form or whatever, because I think some of my biggest problems with like VR boxing games in the past or whatever similar to that is like you're kind of just whaling right, and then you're

just building a bad muscle memory versus like a VR game kind of like not doing it strictly, but kind of like really enforcing the form aspect of it, kind of like how ring fit. You know, you really have to play with the pilates ring really well versus just squeezing it like a like a weirdo. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think we're there yet. Like I played the Body Combat thing and it's just every VR it's just things flying at

you and you punching it and then just canned response to everything. I think it's it's not what most people want right, like, oh you want it? Yeah, I think it got close to body tracking. It's probably pretty good at that stuff, but it's like that's a lot of extra work and people just want to punch the thing I think is what they think. We have to add shock pads to it. So yeah, we can write something wrong. The best for the genesis that you can feel every punch in Mortal

Kombat. That's right, bactivator? Yeah, and Res. What's the one for RES? The trans media vibrator or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yep, that's that was a thing, right that that was a thing something like that. Why something? Because they want you to feel the music. Okay, I don't know. You have to asked the Reds freaks. I'm not a RES guy, shouts out. You and I have a lot of similar good opinions, I think. So we're definitely right about RES. Yes, and no one will with us. Yes, and many things.

Yes, absolutely greed something in medias. I'll find the joke. I'll come back to it. Uh huh. Played a little metal your solid collection it Uh, it's those games with some little bonus is some music player and some books you can zoom in on and scroll between it's uh, it's I'm glad. I'm glad they're out there, and that's it's available for people who were like just coming to it now and go like, okay, where do I

get these games? Oh, you're fucked until this for this is this is not for you though, because you have no No, I've played them a million times. And also I would play like on shoot hardware on a CRT, you know, like so yeah, no, I'm glad it exists if it means middle Gear gets to you know, get to more people. But it's it's like three D all Stars in a way where it's like, yeah, okay, these are all here. Now it's got a little bit more bonus stuff and that I didn't know it was going to have, like VR

missions and the digital graphic novel and stuff like that. So like it is a little more robust than I expected, but it's it's those games easier to play now. Tan Which games are included in the collection? One? Two, three VR missions, Metal Gear and middle Gear two, the MSX games and Snakes Revenge. Weirdly, that's how you can tell this is not a good Gama project. This is an economy project. Yes, it's been a minute since I've played through three I played for it a year or two ago.

It's still awesome. Okay, played an hour of the three DS and that's all I've ever played. I know, I know, I know I need to play them, and I want to find some time. I'll do it. I could. Yeah, this makes me just want to play five again. Five five five five rules that whole thing again, jam, Like, what are you doing? I bought it for five bucks the other day on Steam, so it's like, well, this is Any time with this is great. Just send attach a parachute to some dude. That was fine.

I enjoyed that game. Game man. Any any time you give me a rocket punch, I'll love it. Just every game should have a rocket punch. Any game where you shoot a thing and then you control it, Like remember like Heavenly Sword, you could shoot the arrows and then like six axis. Yes like you yeah, you're right, Yeah, I love I love Heavenly Sword. I'm proud of you. Finally, it's pretty good. Feel free where Yeah, what's the last time that gimmick has popped up?

Other than like gear stranglehold? You could you can make the recently that had the Patriot arrow from Robin Hood Men and Tights. Oh that thank you for bringing up You're welcome. Absolutely God, how many times I watch that movie on HBO and I was like, oh, we're probably neck and neck, but folks are saying Assassin's Creed. Of course it's Assassin. Yeah, that's what I'm definitely thinking, Assassin's Creed. Like where Yeah, I don't know. All right, folks, Well it's time to get to the game of

the week and the game. Let me try and fix this dogs a real quick The Game of the Week, Super Mario Brothers, Wonder Yo, Holy Ship. Okay, I just have one one quick thing to say and then I'll let you Mario freaks take over this. There's some levels here. It's hard. The challenge levels little diffy, A little diffy. Yeah, that second one, you want to get everything. I think it's harder to find everything, and that's by design, you know. I haven't found a platform

itself to be super hard. Is mostly the challenge level with the uh the wall jump badge where you like jump up vertically. I love that ship. Yeah, it's the one with like the spinning platforms. It's very early on and I was just stuck for the longest time. Yeah, it's keep doing it with someone else too. Yeah, Like especially like that first the challenge with the running of the hippo thing or whatever, the hobos. Yeah,

there was two other people playing. There was a lava level in like World six that I was doing yesterday, which by the way, I was in like a Canadian airport for six hours playing this the entire time yesterday and just having a blast. And uh there's it's one where there's like this platform that keeps going in and out of the lava and it's just easy to die. That's right now. Yeah. Yeah, And I was playing like other random people were in there and we all kept dying, but then one would be

a live to save. So like we helped each other through that level. Like I wasn't playing multiplayer traditionally, but the idea of like, wow, we're all playing this level right now and helping each other out and we're hitting the thing to like thank each other every time incredible. It's like Journey. Yeah, you know, it's like, oh, I don't know who these people are, so we are helping each other out. It really is a strand game, Like that's not even a Jeff, Yeah, it is an

actual four shoot strand game. It's wild, and it's wild how well it works. It's so much fun to make friends in the moment. Yeah from Nintendo, Like, yeah, like I'll have a buddy. Like sometimes people will be like not recognizing that you're in trouble and needing help. That's very rare. Most of the time, it's like someone's like, oh, I was just doing my own thing, but now I see the one person's a ghost, I'm gonna go there and rescue them and see that hard thing.

Yeah, yeah, you get the hard And sometimes it's like, well, I just rescued you. We're best friends. Now let's go through the rest of this level together. And that was happening with me on the Lava level where we were just like having each other's backs and I'd like to like go through it and try to beat it on my own, but I'm like, I haven't turned that off because it's it's kind of special. Makes the game feel more alive to have these moments where suddenly we're helping each other out and

we are rescuing each other throughout the rest of other things. So yeah, or somebody left to standing in a place where it's like oh shit, I didn't know you get up there. Like, that's super helpful. I played a lot of it on the plane with no Wi Fi and it turned out just an amazing fucking Mario game anyway. But then when I got to the airport lounge and I got connected, I was like, Oh, this is

actually I like this a lot better. This is this is awesome. I mean us playing that that multiplayer mode, the friend mode, it works pretty much the same way stuff. You can initiate races and stuff. But that was a really cool way to sort of discover the early parts of that game where it's like, hey, yeah, you could do this, and hey I found this thing and we're talking it out. But like once that that

the voice the voices go away, a lot of that stuff remains. Like you said, like there are levels specifically about finding hidden stuff, and it's like it's just a couple It's like a big room and you're gonna have try to do a couple of tricks with the platforming or find a hidden block or something or used to power ups in a special way, and having like three other people or four other people mess around and try to do that simultaneously.

And you could like you can't really see exactly what they're doing, but you could see what power up they have. And then they put a standy down, like maybe where you're supposed to be, like, okay, they're trying to tell me something. You go stand over there and you look around, you think, and usually it clicks in the place. And I found that a really cool way to experience those levels as well. It doesn't feel like cheating. It just feels like playground talk coming into the game in a really

excellent way. It feels like the next evolution of Mario to me, And like the amount of ideas per square inch in this game is just like nonstock, Like the new enemies, the ability to just kind of swap between all these characters on the fly, like there are just so many new elements here that I'm like this, there's a new voice actor. You know. This feels like kind of a turning point for Mario in a really cool way.

I thought the fireworks dudes you can carry around and they shoot the fireworks, the mummies where you got to pull theirs should uh, there's bullet built torpedo ted. Now we got missile Meg. We got Missile Meg. Big fan of that, Yes, the guys would that have their like tail singing down where you could swing on them and stuff the ground that drops that puts a little ball out and then yeah, yeah, not good feeling stuff. A huge recondend. Yeah, go ahead, Dan, oh, I was just

gonna say a huge recommendation. Uh. I brought the SMEs controller for the switch, uh and I played with that this whole weekend. It that dpad is really solid and there's no drawback. I mean, the only thing is like there are something you could do like this or motion, you know for some of those things. I never used the motion anyway, So if you don't care about that, it is like an ideal controller for this game. Okay, that's that sounds good, Just to take a just like pigs the

bag zoom out a little bit. I think this game, you know, it's funny because I've been playing a lot with my kid and we actually Stacey has been playing it too. Oh cool. She's a big like Alice in Wonderland person. And I do think like the wonder part is like maybe a bit of like, hey, drugs are all right, aren't they? Kind of thing about this game. It's always been implied with Mario, but Oh

yeah, it's a carpenter plumber totally. She said something that kind of stuck with me where it was like she's like, this is like someone else like made this game, that's not Nintendo trying to do it, Like and obviously we know that's not true, but I understand her outside perspective of like it's so different and so but still very much the same hallmarks and all the same you know feeling that you get when you play a side scrolling Mario platform.

Or it's something about the injection of new Blood into this that is like really resonating in a way that I I it is so expertly crafted, I cannot like, Man, this is feels right, It feels good. Every new idea is not like just slapped together, it's refine. Yeah, it's just there's joy in this that was nowhere in that new series. Oh yeah, yeah, I thought this when we were playing this on UPF last week. But like, this puts any and all of those new Super Mario Brothers games

absolute shame. Liked to think about now, and I like, I liked playing that the we one. I think it's the best. I really enjoyed playing that game. When I think back on it now I get sad. It's that's a bummer. When you opened up you know, it's like Sonic Superstars when you open up Ascension and all these things in Zelda, it's like going back to like Breath of the Wild. Is now this like shackled experience?

Right? Yeah? It really is amazing that, like it is just so fresh and so so like almost I don't want to say like risky, but just like a lot of just wild liberties that I just take you see, Yeah, like damn and you you mentioned it's it's feels so fresh. And obviously a lot of that comes from them like opening U up to a bunch of the young people that work in Nintendo and saying, just give us your ideas. Everyone's free to come here and contribute to it. But it's

so continued to contiguous about who's making this game, these games. Five people worked on Super Mario Brothers. Four of them worked on this game. Four of those five people that worked on Super Mario Brothers forty fucking years the original one. Yes, super Mario Brothers, four of them worked on this. Of those five, that's how can I leave that long? What do they do today? I was, I was so happy playing Mario Wonder twenty like

when they did it. It's crazy how many things, just from your entire life, your entire childhood, things that you've loved, have maintained their relevancy and level of quality the way Mario has and every other series you know goes away, comes back. There's peaks, there's valleys. The TV shows get canceled, movie series and they have their ups and downs and stuff like that.

Mario, for my entire fucking life, since I was four and played the first one, every single one of those games has just been I would die for the Star Wars prequels to be as good as the new Super Mario Brothers games. That would be excuse me, they are that Sunshine was a game, was a game, is on fantastic game. No one's like, no one's forgetting about that. It's one of the weaker ones, but it is the best platformer of that generation, almost like it's up there, it's

it's it's an incredible game. Still, I would Delphino Island music is in this game that made me so goddamn happy. It's just straight up just to shoot track. It's like not even like a take on it's just like this is just Delphino Island. I get your point, Dan, I take offence with like it's infallible, Like, uh, I'm not saying it's infallible straight up said a billion times that, like there are levels that are just like the Patinko thing, the the raft lily Pad level, Like there's no,

no, not not infallible, but sunshine. I'm I'm talking about the lineage of like Mario games I think, but like if you like track the quality level like and then and then you do that thing where you have like a straight line the line average it out. That's only Yeah, it's least like oh, no one, no one, No serious person would try and argue that it's like a bad season from Wing BRETX. It's it's amazing. It's a it's amazing. The the you know, like the legacy of it is

untouchable for sure. Yeah, I'm with you because I was the first thing that popped up to my mind when you brought that up. Dan was like, oh, tony Hawk, but then there are oh hard and went away. Yeah. First, Skater five is one of the worst things that's ever happened to me. It's unbelievable. Project eight is it hurts me inside no Project eight, I like, grub have you opened your skateboard for Blake Love tomorrow? Huh? Very funny. If you make me play a motion control

game, I'm gonna go insane. Actually, so okay, what if it was Tony Hawk in those boxes? That makes it all box? Oh? By the way, Dan, Stephanie Grubb is pretty upset with you. Why because you're like, hey, this is gonna take twenty minutes. And my my mother in law was here and like they were taking a look at like the email together getting the stuff ready, and they were both like, what is this guy on? What is he talking about? This thing that he

says to do would not will network. I have no idea what it is. I'm not allowed to go in the wandering room for think. I made some assumptions about technology, clothing, technology that I don't know if I know what? Can they know that? They know that you made some assumptions about things that just don't work that way, And so they spent like an hour trying to come up with some new solution for what you want. I'll like go on five her and get someone else. Now they're determined to like get

it right she's she's getting it there. But yeah, like, hey, this guy's an idiot. I'm like, I know, I don't know how clothes work. Christ So that's gonna be Blake Club on Wednesday, everybody, if you want to tune in for that, I have no idea what you can desn to, like maybe clean up my beard a little bit on the side for something. So oh boy, okay, oh oh, if you want to go full gimmick, yeah yeah, all right, we'll see what happens. All right, super others wonder it does the thing, and it

was very pure to watch your reaction Dan to like every little thing. But then I continue to have that reaction every little world, and especially in the Overworld. You know, it's like normally there's nothing to do in that map, right, but there's we found that little bit for the series. They had the best overworld of all time in Super Mario World, like yeah, yeah, but like now, like you're encouraged to explore through there you meet

some little goofy goobers. As as you journey. They love the goobers. They're like, you're going through the desert and here's like a Marise you know, whole level. You know, Oh, here's a tiny little puzzle in the in the desert that like, oh, I press these things and this happened, like it's it's so the game has so much personality and joy just seeping out of every bore. I like the flowers too. I like that they talk. They're kind of funny. They don't get cringe or whatever the

kids say like never do. It's just kind of like cute and fun. They got like I want to be friendly with that flag is Dane. Uh, someone in my fan only has a request. Oh, I don't know what it is about the flowers and they're talking, but like my kid thinks you are the flowers, like you you there's something about the flowers. They just say like well I've been here for a while like stuff like that. I always say that, Yeah, I don't know why he he just is

like Dan has to be the flowers. And I interpret next next Mario moviegoers, Well sure, but the way I interpreted his his statement right, his sort of request if you will, is that I just want to see you do voices of those flowers, Like if we could just like, have you do a couple of voiceovers and we'll mak them up. How about we do this. We have we have Sean take this part and clip this out, and then we take some silent, muted footage of the flowers just clapping their

gum. Sure, Dan, you just add let me throw. Okay, n having an existential crisis. I know what. You need a clean take, You need a clean everyone. Shut the fuck up. I'm having an existential crisis. That's good. I have to poop. Oh okay, hold do it again. I have to poop. Tell them to make a small face. Oh, there's so much poop. Could you do one without poop? Like, oh uh, look at all this pe that'll be good for the water levels. With the red flowers? Why are they so angry?

Though? Yeah? Is it is? It is there like mood rings. What do you think about it? Like different color flowers behave differently? Yeah, yeah, what's the conflict? Yeah? I don't know about it much like that at the end of every level, that postcard thing. It reminds me of like when you get off a fun roller coaster ride and you see the picture. I just thought I was having, you know, jumping like it's what a cool little thing. I've been trying to find a place where

it actually like stores those, but I don't think it does. Yeah, I'm not sure. I've been I've been started. I started the snapping shots of it when they show it to me so I can like at least have that saved. And if they don't show it to me later, I wind up getting angry because sometimes they'll take a bad photo that I'll replay the level trying to get a better photo, not knowing when it gets taken. I'm like, all right, that's a better one. I'm fine with that.

Okay, the uh, how you guys feeling about one hundred percent in this game, I'm going to do it one percent. I'm doing that already worked on I saw credits yesterday. I'm already working on all the wonder seeds and like ten coins top of the flagpole yep, top of the flag Yeah. Yeah. If you look at the if you go into the courses thing,

it's very faint. There's like a little check there's a green check mark background behind the coins, and there's like a flagpole icon there that if you don't have the check mark on each level, you might even be missing like a secret exit. Like there's it tells you right there if you've done everything on the level though. Oh that's cool. I like that. I love like

the completionist in all of us. That's very satisfying. And you can also put on a sensor badge that will just kind of tell you when you're close to something. Oh cool. I like, yeah, I don't want this ruin for me, so I won't ask if you if you want to, just like put it out there and tell us not to Like, I just hope that, like, you can have more than one badge at some point. Groomble, grumble, groomble. Yeah. Cool, cool, cool cool. The vine one, the one where you bind to the walls, that's

great. The one where you get that special little extra jump at the end, that's great. There's some I just haven't really used at all, but yeah, the mobility ones where you jump kind of high and do like a

Yoshi flutter jump type thing. Yeah, go ahead. I'm just gonna say, if we do the Mario Grand Prix, we should have a couple of rules in there, sort of like a hockey penalty box where like you're do you have to use a certain badge if you'd like get something like untoured in one of the other levels, the invisibility badge, so you can't see yourself

something like that. Yeah, every like yeah, something like or it could be random or whatever, so someone wins while using the invisibility one like that'd be really hype or something like that. I don't know. I mean you could do we could do somewhere there's the Prince's Choice thing or through you know,

I like that. How backl or how's the experience been playing with us with with with the family, because I know, like the ghost mode that we've explored in UPF and like we've talked about, is very different than actually playing with shoot people. Yeah, you mean, like, how is it playing with bad gamers? Yeah? Sure, I mean I didn't want to know they're they're no, they're fine. It's not it's not it's not easy.

It results in a lot of like frustration. We d and I almost like switch back and forth on levels now because it's you know, I just don't want I just don't want to deterar my relationship with art, with my son, you know, I don't want this to be the reason we don't speak to each other. So, uh, no, you're joking, but it's it's I guess there's there's been some ship, Like, yeah, there's tears, tears of shed you know, it's it's hard these games. That's

the one thing that you just can't like shoehorn into these games. They just cannot work the way you wish they could. As the multiplayer side scroller, what I was like, what I would do is, like you got the badge system, just create a badge for bad little kids. I mean, Yoshi and Navis want to play as Yoshi. They want to play as Princess Peter, and she she doesn't have any of that stuff. Uh, he

can't use any of the power. The fucking get better at him. Okay, I'll explain these criticisms of the rest to them and say this comes from doctor dan Rykert and will respect that. Of course this they I'm glad the game works the way it does for me. In terms of it being like a family game, it's not. It's not that really, it's not very good at being that it has a lot of it's cumbersome and it's not really a great time to play with like varying skill levels, local multiplayer and stuff

like that. Yeah, they also do an interesting thing right where like they trade the crown, right where like the crown is the one who decides where the wind where the camera goes right, yes, yes, yeah, And like if you I've noticed then maybe this is anecdotal. I don't know, but I feel like if you are not wearing the crown and you get top

of the flag pole, you can like win the crown. I think that three World three D World did that, or if you're a top tag, which is like if there was you know, and that is also a bit counter two to like playing with someone who's like never going to hit the flag pole, just saying like it's not a jump, it's not a it's not it's just not perfect. Uh And and I don't think there is a way

to make it perfect. It's just that part of the game where you like want it to be this family thing, like unfortunately, I just don't think it can wear that. I wish there was just a badge you could apply to any of the characters that just said, hey, this is a kid playing and do as close as you can to what you do with Mario Kart eight with the auto steer in the auto game, right, and it's like, you know they're about to run into the lava. Maybe stop them from

running into the lava. Like I think Nintendo's probably good enough to at this point of understanding how the game should be played to maybe stop that from happening. Now it's that would It's not going to be as easy as Mario Kart. That is going to be more complicated, but some I mean, they have some badges that kind of do some of that stuff just goes all the way full full bumper bowling mode for kids, that's what I want. Yeah, or maybe just kids shouldn't play Mario. Yeah, I mean it's not

for kids, right, leave it, Leave it for us. Come on, ye makes we've earned this. We've earned this. That makes sense. No, you're coming. Yeah, you're right because when we were introduced to to Mario, there was nothing but forty year olds playing in I feel like cool, right, we were smoking and watching R rated movies. Yeah,

we're all drinking beer jaws, Yes, yes, exactly. But you guys gotta admit though, for Jeff and Jeff here, isn't it so much better that they've got rid of all of the collision from new Super Mario Brothers. Yeah, yeah, I guess I should plays Yoshi and I have them right on my back because I would care. I could carry them through levels approach and I haven't seen that, and I do that. So I guess maybe if I plays Yoshi, one of them can get on my back. You're

the problem. Maybe I'm the problem. Yeah, there, this is where I'm at with it. I listen. I'm not trying to influence my kids. They can like what they like. But they are more Sonic fans than they are Mario fans. At the moment. I don't think it's gonna last, but they Addie comes home and she's like, Okay, what am I

gonna play? And I don't say anything, and she says Mario and she wants to play the new Mario. I'm like, great, great, and she plays it and I was like, there's a couple levels that she could play as a four year old. Most of them are too there's too much going on or they're too complicated and uh. And so she bounced off pretty quick and she's gone back to Sonic and I'm like, that's that's not great for me, someone who wants to have as little Sonic as my home as

possible. It's gonna be an issue. So yeah, I Hey, the game is great, and I wouldn't actually change much about it. I just I'm hopeful that my kids will come back to it later maybe and play it thing, because it's not gonna work for them. Now. I want you to keep something in mind as you play it. I want to add a category at to the Game of the Year, which is best wonderflower effect fantastic.

So add that to the If you see something where it's like, oh man, this thing where suddenly I'm walking on the background or whatever, throw that in there. Because one of the early ones, it's when they it turned into a freaking isometric game. Yeah, threw me and Luigi. Yeah, it's just so smart. I just think it's yeah, unbelievable. It's one of those like they can't keep getting away with this, but I'm happy to let them keep getting away with this. Yeah, I'm afraid of finishing

it because I'm having such good time with it, taking my time. It's yea without a doubt. Uh. In the conversation for best two D Mario game, Yeah, I agree. I mean, mane just two D platforming. We don't weird distinctions. A serious question, is this a Mario? I know you're bullshit, it's not it's not it's not. Okay, fine, I just even finished the question. Well, no question. My question is do does he consider it to be a main line? I don't care what is. I don't care why he thinks it is. I just want

to know why he's never had. Yeah, it's not it's not mainline. It is maybe the best two D Mario game. But even if it's, you don't have the mainline to be great. It is crazy to think that a two D platforming Mario game would be in the mainline two D platforming Mario game series. That is crazy, you're right, Dan, Well, no, because that's not following the path of evolution of the series, you know, like it's going back to like the same reason that the news series.

Heyes this, you know, going off Dan's statement of this being one of the best two D marios. I think this really cements the nintend To switch, y'all. For just hey, one of the best fucking were was it was this up for debate like last week. No, just like there's some people that will still poop poo on the switch and assume it's like they don't

know what the fuck they're talking about. If they boopoo the switch a place where we could have a conversation about that and it's like another podcast form, and that was like the first episode we kind of maybe talked about. Actually yeah, like that, like that could be the subject, like is the Switch the best console? And like maybe take an input from from elsewhere and

see what people say. I mean, I think I was thinking about this yesterday that it launched with Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild and this last final full year of it, it had Tears of the Kingdom and Mario Wonder and that's not to count all of the other awesome ship that has come out in those seven years six years. Like it's it's it's that number one, and I'd say PS two, then three sixty, I would say, yep, Gateboy Advances up there for me, But I don't know. I love

DBA, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously sixty fourth. Ye of course, you know other other games like uh that I don't have the time for, but it's absolutely amazing because of the Switch. Octopath two. I don't think I'm going to ever have time to ever play that game again, but holy smokes, Octo Path two fucking bangs at so hard. Uh fuga. I love loading Children into Spirit Cannons. Yeah, but like I like put together a list of games that like I wanted to put it, Like

right now, it's Hot Wheels two, that Super fifty six game. I want to play, metal Gear Solid Collection A City Skyline two, ghost Runners two seventh guest VR. I wanted to check out ghost Runners good. I only played a second of it, but it's okay. Yeah, I think they just sent me a code too, so I'm going to check that out as well. Jack Box Party Pack ten. Yeah, we have to do that. And these are things that like are out out yeah or coming out

very soon. Yes, have you played NHL Grub? I actually just installed it this morning and I was going to play some of it. Maybe we should, maybe we should play a little bit. Let's play a little bit. Yeah, absolutely, I've played a decent amount. Okay, you would, I think that'd be fine. I got it on PlayStation as a cross play. I don't know. Yeah, I have been on PlayStation two.

Okay, then we're good. Yeah, but yeah, there's a I mean, Thomas is still happening for coming out this week next year, Jussan Yeah, and this is Alan Wake week. Yep, we're here. Warrior where is next week, Robocops next week, Thirsty Suitors. Uh, let's see the Talos Principal too, Smurfs too. Wait when is that? When is Tallas principal too? Next week? It's November second? What the fuck? Turbo Shawn good idea? Jack Boxes a t n T. That's that's a

good show. That yeah, fantastic, let's do that all right? Look at the youth with ideas. Huh I remember the friend creative Now every weird to have a brain that works. But backler, I'm sending you a Tallost principal two code. Oh thank you. Just this is getting done. Look at us. That's the same. So hey, listen, uh Mario two D Mario. If they did a Mario Wonder two, I would be completely fine, right, like series to continue. Yes, if they did.

If they did like two of these, I think that's really good. They do three, I'll probably still be fine. I just they're probably could do one two D Mario per platform. I kind of like, hey, you could do this one more time and then change it up again. Is where I'm at. I think I don't know, I could keep it. I mean, make Mario Wonder one two three, like yeah, a standalone series. It's absolutely got legs. Wonder Odyssey. I just want Cappy back.

I'm wondering how Cappy's doing. Like you know, sometimes you got to brush a hat off you sweating it, and it's like, oh no, there's mold. I hope Kapy doesn't have mold. I want to throw that cap onto that flower. Oh oh yeah, that would be a monster. That would be a monster. That's how you unluck like Cuthulhu. Yeah. Uh, speaking about cal We're gonna go take a quick break. There was there's

just one. I know. I'm sorry, I'm so I'm a bad podcaster as well as a bad YouTuber. There was one other thing that I wanted to bring up. Please, I wonder what this does to like the Odyssey lineage. I don't think it like touches it. I don't think it like touches it. But I just wonder, like you know what, I I do think Odyssey had like a similar weirdness. Right, It's just you know, it's like made in the same way of like, do you have an

idea, let's try it. It's fine, that's sure. It's just another product available at the Wonka stored at this point, right, like Okay, I just want to say that out loud and see if anyone had like anything intelligent to say. And Jeff Grub, I'm glad you did. Yeah,

yeah, I'm here for you. Thank you. Listen. I think that if if I'm good, I'm glad Nintato's out here making games this way of taking your time, uh not feeling like they do have to have three of these per generations so they can say, let's come up with five hundred ideas and take the one hundred and fifty to two hundred best ideas and put that

into a game. That's clearly what's happened probably since like well probably since the beginning, but really since like the Galaxy games, and then you get in the Galaxy too, and you wereize, oh my god, they had so many more awesome ideas that they can put it in here, and like since

then they're like, oh, that works really well. And now they're in this really good place where they're taking their time with releasing games to the point where they hold on to them for sometimes up to a year and a half two years completely finished before they put them out, and like now they're certain to like at to a point where like, well, we're gonna hold on

to them for that long. What if we just sort of like just movesy through it and like take our time thinking about what can make this game really good. And that's what they did with this one. No release date when they started making it, no idea when they were going to release, Like, no, just keep working on it and what it feels right, then we'll decide what we're going to do with it. And it's like that is if everyone could make games that way, we would be in a much better

place. And the reality is most people making games are the furthest thing away from that, where there's so many pressures to get the game out in a relatively short amount of time, and it's it's it's it, you know, not saying it's hurting games, but clearly this is what you can do when you have that creative freedom and the ability to just just iterate and iterate and iterate. And I'm I'm just I'm like buzzing coming off of this game for sure. Yeah, you here that developers just be as good, right,

Why wouldn't you just that make so much money? You should do That's what I would do. That's what they tell Like athletes They're like, be babe, Ruth. Just guess that's that's what they're telling all athletes. Yeah, I was, but Wagner over here, I was gonna say, but you know, come on, before we get out of here, Dan, don't

go off one when of your tanagents, just explain why. I wonder not so don't you have to take why because I'm a miserable funck and I he's I'm gonna be thinking about this and I mean, listen, I can't let him win. But he's gonna win. But okay, there is it's a clearer progression in that series, starting with Super Mario Brothers. The first mainline Mario game two and three speak for themselves. They have two and three in

the title World Obviously that was okay, Super Nintendo. It's so we've blown this out, you know, but it's it's still the same mainline series. World two clearly is not up for discussion. It's got World two in the title. So and then Mario sixty four launches. The sixty four of course, that's mainline Mario Sunshine. Okay, No, there's not been a single reason why so far, but keep going. Okay, a single player Mario platformers where it's just a big quest and you take down Bowser or Wart or

someone. At the end, you're jumping on shit, you're play It's just a big scope, single player platformer game that is moving forward. There is a progression, and so you go from Sunshine to Galaxy. You had a Galaxy two. That's another one with the number in the title. That's obvious ot to see the next progression. You've got the cap powers and everything, but clearly big epic ope, you know, Player Mario Adventure. You can't

go back when you're determining what a mainline series is. So New Super Mario Brothers that series is not mainline because that was like a first of all, it says new like it's a new series, but it is going back. It's like a retro like, hey, remember when we used to make them with like two D. Wonder is doing that too, which is it's just it might as well be called New Super Mario Brothers Wonder. So the reason why is because it's two D. That's a big part of it, and

it's got subject and it's got a different subjects on it. It's Wonder. It's that indicates that it's it's at the new it's it's a new series. That's like saying, so no it because because because it is a bad reason, and line was weird because it's all the like progression and all of a sudden, no wait, we did another like two d like call back one reason, and then they're going to do the next like the the big Bowser's fury type you know, open world thing whatever that will be. That will

be the next one. You know, this helps me because now I can I could deal with it because he's knowing it's a really bad reason. Mario Platformer, that's the series. I just want to thank Dan for disqualifying Yoshi's Island and his own bad attempt to explain this. Thank you. Oh that's disqualify Yoshi's Island. Sorry I'm wait sorry, wait wait wait why wait? What just fade us out? How does Yo say to be a Mario single player game? You don't play as Mario and Yoshi's Island, well you do

when you get the star. And also it's just called Mario World two. So that's just not even up for debate. All right again, I can't. I will scream that till the day I die. Oh you podcast chuckle fox, don't matter compared to Memoto all. I should have listened, folks. I mean, I see, after a quick bricky break and we'll we'll we'll collect ourselves, so Jeff will rethink his decisions and what he wants to invite. And then you know, games, You guys have made games.

I've got game developers and Mario's creator on my side. You know, I've been watching a lot of a lot of Colombo. Yeah really, yes, yes, always all the time, so Dan, yes, one more thing? Yeah, so that was? That was I was at the Columbo that I don't know Colombo. Okay, I'm about to watch Columbo in a theater this weekend, that's all? Hell? Yeah? Really yeah? Yeah, yeah. You should listen to the podcast Columbos afterward. Oh yeah, yeah,

you should subscribe to my newsletter Columbus Scholla. Oh. I have a friend who for ten years has done a Columbo's Day party where he has people come over and everyone dresses Columbo and watch Columbo. And this is the tenth and final one. So we rented out a theater to play Colombo in the second So, man, that's really cool. But you wanted one more thing, jan right, Yes, okay, I hesitate to do this, because I think I am just assassinating my argument if I do this. But look,

we're and I'm gonna shoot with you here. This is no o k fabe. I uh. I was playing Wonder yesterday at the Airport Lounge, thinking about it a lot, just like, man, this game is great. I'm really loving this game, and then the thought popped up into my head unprompted, Wait, why don't I think this is mainline? Dad? You this though that thought? I was like, wait a minute, you can grow amazing full on Mario Adventure. This is like like the ghosts,

don't disqualify it, Like, is it just there's a different name. I mean, honestly had a different name. You know. It's like it's not said. This is so fucking said. Shut up, don't discourage you beautiful progress. This is magic. It's progress. I'm with you, Jeff. Of course it's progress. Of course we all want Dan to move in positive

directions. Yeah. Yeah, but like you were describing, you're describing that like your instincts say so one thing, and then your mind is like, no, I have to suffocate that idea because I have to stand all on the thing that I don't really believe in. Well, the thing about it, I could I could make bullshit arguments about anything. I could say like, well, Mario Galaxy is in mainline because it's in space and does gravity. Stuff that doesn't make any sense. We're aware of your gimmick about making

bullshit arguments about anything. You don't have to refresh. I think it's a knee jerk reaction. I just do it, and it's just now my brain works now. And but then when I stop and actually question the things I'm saying, I'm like, wait, this doesn't make any sense. And really it's fun to question things when when you question yourself really look inside. Yeah, man, wow, that you're really smart. Dan, I do that too much lately. Here's where you just fucked your entire ship up. No

you, here's how you just fucked yourself for all eternity. You just admitted publicly on a podcast that it's all the work a work. No, No, that's it's not. But he's working. I know how to work, and I will utilize at but it's not all a work. It's it's definitely uh like he doesn't think about the why. It's just the knee jerk. And then and then once just like it's like the think about the why happens so much later that it becomes a scary thing I think is what happens here.

It's like it's just a natural thing to like being of this stuff. Like I'm not not a grand plan or anything like that. It's just that that's what people say about me when I when you know, when I always think everything sucks, right, But that's a shoot. Well, everything does suck, that's the thing. Everything sucks. A lot of things are awesome, yes, but most most things suck. But there's plenty of things I do, like, uh, you go to to a vacuum shop. Everything

sucks here, all right, news. I didn't say it was mainline. I questioned why I thought that it wasn't for the record, and you have no reason why it was. You're you're the fucking gate keeper. I'm a Mario historian. I have against world. Yes, girls, the validated over and over authenticity and and uh uh you know value of a of a fucking

Guinness Record, Thank you, I did. That's a shoot mine. You would probably the most difficult thing in the world to be a tour guide for the four of us, because you would just get stuck on one thing and then four two guys like, all right, guys, we uh, we still got a lot of next thing, and we'd still be arguing about the thing four things ago. Yes, absolutely switch to rumors and it's going to switch to May feature Ray Reconstruction DLSS three point five and have two skews,

one digital ones like one. It is all digital ray. When was it ray reconstruction? You got to reconstructor ray? Is he related to ray tracing? Yes, doctor, ray tracing the rails? Uh yes, listen, this is all a bunch of Nvidia features that that they're talking about. And then the two SKUs in all digital and then the one that has a physical you know, card slot as well. That's something everyone else is doing. It was probably going to do that as well, so that they can have

a slightly more affordable version on the shelves. This stuff sounds plausible, but I just don't know. I don't need ray tracing on my switch. Other than the fact I think developers may want it to be like uniform or in video wants it because it's like more promoting in video ArtX features and a lot more games and for them if Nintendo has in video style ray tracing. That means more games are just going to support it, and then that stuff can

come to PC and that helps benefit them in both directions. But I don't know, you guys getting out of bed for ray tracing these days? No, Yeah, I get in bed for ray tracing. Okay, well that's a little different. Yeah, whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa moodles. Look, I just I have a hard time imagining we're going to get to the close to the launch of the Nintendo Switch to whatever they call it, and one of the features in like the big reveal is going to be and

it has raid tracing. I just don't think Nintendo's going to go down like that route of like using buzzwords in that way. But I don't know,

maybe they do. It's never really been their approach, you know. I feel like the last time they tried to like keep up with the Joneses on a technical level was that GameCube generation where it was like, okay, you could have a game on all three platforms, and they pretty much looked similar Like once the Week came out, it was like clearly more underpowered, and they didn't really care. You know, They've never once cared about specs.

They're not going to start now right like and to start with the rage rate, like come on, I now, I just still. They're working very

close with Nvidia. They have a long term partnership with Nvidia. Their next three systems are probably going to be all in VideA backed, you know, into the future, and so I think that strong relationship means that Nvidia will bring them, Hey, we're working on this system on a chip and we're going to give you this and this and this and all this stuff is just going to work and it's going to be in there and developers are gonna love it. And I think Nintendo goes, yeah, how much did it cost?

It's okay, Well, if you can make it affordable for us to buy a a billion of these, then yeah, we'll do it. Otherwise, fucking take that shit out. And if taking that stuff out makes it more affordable, then they'll probably consider that what's happening here is in videas like we can get down to that price and keeps most of this stuff in because we think it's important and we think it'll it'll help you and keep this relationship

strong, and it helps Nvidia in the long run. But I mean even if DLSS three point five is in there, and DLS three to three point five is the one with raid reconstruction, which makes ray tracing look really nice, works really well, I wouldn't even expect most games to take advantage of this, happy to have it, like, yeah, right, exactly,

it's not going to hurt anything, right, yes exactly? How real quick, how would you guys feel about the other side of that coint of having a more affordable model, What if there was a really lush premium switch to available of Like if they have an O lead at the at the start and it's like significantly more expensive, I'm probably still gonna get because I play mind

Handled so much and I love the O lead screen. It sounds like the versions were being offered at the beginning of this next generation won't be O let. They will go back to just your standard LCD. And so if if to get an O lead, I had that, like you know, there's the all digital at one price maybe like four hundred, four fifty even, and then there's the real big boy model and that's five hundred, and then if I had to go up to like five fifty, like that's pretty expensive,

But I mean, I don't know. I would consider it for sure, because I'm thinking about like how you know, some people are conditioned to buy a new phone every single year, or like a new iPad, right, and it's like incremental updates versus something that'd be substantial with a switch to And I feel like for an OLED screen, bigger memory, potentially better battery life, I'd pay the premium for it because of how much I'd remembered just

having the switch dominate my life when it originally came out. I think that's totally reasonable to have a beefed up one out of the gate. Why not, Like, yeah, I have to. The reason is because it like that makes manufacturing more complicated, right, yeah, right, I get that. Two skews like that. It's weird. Yeah, it sounds like the two SKUs that they're going for are these are pretty much the exact same systems.

Just one doesn't have a card slot. That's pretty easy to do, and and then you know most people probably do get the one with the card uh slot card reader. And then beyond that, it's but don't you think don't you think, like so you could still get an OG switch like not O LED. You can still buy that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

totally. Yeah. I just think like, uh, you know, I don't know, it just seems like a bit of a generational step backwards it is, to come out of the gate without an O lead, but it does it opens up the opportunity for them to do what Nintendo has always done. Maybe a little bit less so with the switch, but they've always done the thing where you know, we launched this device and then we have four or five different iterations on it. You know, there's the DS and the

ds I and the d s I XL. Yeah, the DS go DSXL and all this stuff, and then yeah, the three DS had six variations right by the time it was all said and done. And they so it's basically one console launch per year. If you look at it that way,

they probably won't be that aggressive mainline exactly. And so I think holding that stuff back it's kind of like a mat and right or where it's like a or the SIMS where it's like, Okay, we're gonna strip a lot of stuff out so we can then add that stuff back in with new expansions or new updates going forward. It's kind of what they're probably gonna end up doing here. Okay, moving on Dreams and Little Big Planet. Studio Media Molecule

is reportedly laying off fifteen to twenty percent of its staff. This comes on the heels of them announcing that they were ending support for Dreams. Not like not really surprising, but also it's kind of it's a bummer. It's like, why couldn't they ever figure out how to or what to do with Media Molecule, a really talent studio that did a lot of very creative stuff, And by the time that Dreams was all said and done, it's like,

man like that they never found its footing. They never gave it a chance to like be on PC, which I always thought like, hey, that's a past that like a hail Mary past that probably could have done something. Yeah, never even tried that. Instead word in a position where they're kind of cutting some jobs, and at the same time, PlayStation's Visual Arts Group appears to have also suffered layoffs. This is a support studio in California.

Primarily. They have a studio in Malaysia that's opened up, but apparently some people have been laid off from there as well. I suppose you could say they're in between Big projects, So maybe they're cutting jobs because of that, maybe pulling some contractors. It just seems like no Sony is nipping and tucking because PlayStation, while that's very, very healthy, the rest of Sony not so much, and so making sure that PlayStation is as profitable as possible is

a big concern for them. That's what seems like what's happening here. Do you guys think that Media Molecule has a future doing what it's done for the last ten to fifteen years of making these player created games, player back games.

I would almost like to see maybe more stuff like air Away, which you know, the creation stuff in there was just kind of you determining like Okay, draw a shape and that's going to become the snowflakes in the world, right, you know, Like I think they utilize gimmicks in a really good way, Like look at everything Tearaway did with the hardware of the Vita.

I I don't know, I I the successive one of those types of games like a Dreams for a Little Big Planet kind of lizardize based on the the player base and how often they're because like they're pretty complicated, Like I tried, I watch all the tutorials and everything for a little big planet Dreams all that stuff, and it's just too much. It is like a whole thing you have to learn, and but all you need is at least that like one percent dedicated player base to really utilize it and then just kind of

keep content coming out on the game. But I think the more complicated they make things, I think the harder it's the barrier for entry is for people to build the stuff that will give it legs. Yeah, I think it's go ahead. Jan Police. I agree with that to an extent because you know, you look at something where the the creator base comes from the players, like Rowblocks, right, Like, it's not an incredibly difficult tool set,

yet people are still making several different modes. Something is scaled down as Minecraft right still. We talked about this on game mes last week, where still has an insane amount of popularity and some of that isn't coming from people just creating and just playing a bass game. I think the problem with something

with Dreams is what is that base game? Yeah, because it's too much of a blank camp canvas, the underline hook that keeps you there, that makes you like, Okay, now I'm gonna go like, you almost need like this hub that you're attached to, like Mario Maker. Yeah, you need a PlayStation home. Yeah, like Mario Maker. Like I like Mario, I'll just spend time here and then cool stuff's popping up, I'm gonna

go check it out, you know. And even that was like really I was having fun rivalries with like friends and they would make stuff and we'd go back and forth. And that's the magic of Mario Maker. And you know, I'm sure that they you could do stuff like that in dreams and probably even more so in a little big planet, but they don't have the same gravity, the same stickiness as something like a Mario And maybe that's required for something like this, or or at least you need to be winning over an

entire new generation of gamers like Roadblocks did. So Yeah, I think I'm with you, Dan. Maybe the ship on player created content bespoke game releases has mostly shipped away, and they should they find other ways to do that, or maybe medium Molecule could be like spearheading something like a project of how do you bring player created content into all of these PlayStation games, or something

like a PlayStation home. That could be cool, you know, like, look like obviously, like there is success in many, many different forms of this type of relationship, right, yes, definitely many which I don't want to mention. And I feel like I really wish that this was the platform that took off in that way, right, Yeah, I think it's difficult

to. Like you said, learning curve there is obviously a thing, adoption is obviously a thing, but man, the quality and the creativity and then that entire ecosystem that exists within all of those properties is just absolutely fascinating to me. And I just it's just like it's it's kind of tragic, you

know. Yeah, it's like in sports where it's like not the best player, but he's always available, and that's the best ability is availability, and like you can get roadblocks on your phone, your PC, it's really easy to run, and then dreams say it's just on PlayStation and you got to buy the game itself, and then eventually it's like, okay, well here's like a free version where you could just try some of the stuff, I guess, and or if you want to create, that's free. I don't

even remember how they did that, but that happened like way later. Yeah, that that those barrier to entries and then leaving it just on the PlayStation. It never really stood a chance, even though the quality of what was being produced I think from outside objectively looked better. Did it have an official PS five release or was it always just four? I think they just look at it that way, Okay, I think, yeah, I don't think

it had any upgrade advertise. Ye. You know. That creates an interesting problem of like if you have to buy in, like how do you increase discoverability because like a lot of people that buy in may just buy in for like the one or two neat things and then like all right, well to check that out. I guess, yeah, totally, Like they're other than

hoping something goes viral on social media. It is a difficult problem to solve to get people in the door to begin with, unless there's like a free thing off the off the jump, right, yeah, I mean yeah, And I think what we're talking about is, uh, turning these games into platforms, and like that seems like the clear goal. What if it was like not the goal though, Like what if you were like Nintendo has their weird team or the weird teams, like hey we make weird, we put

it out and then we forget about it. We move on to the next weird thing. Like there's Labbo, but then there's game maker Garage, and game maker Garage is a very similar idea of make your own games in this thing, and no one ever worried about that then turning into a platform or even like selling all that well, or people being able to take their games out of it and sell those games. It's like, these are all concerns and anxieties that happen with dreams, and it's like, well, no,

this is just a weird Nintendo thing being a weird Nintendo thing. If Media Molecule could get into that space where it like just make weird stuff and no promises of some bigger, grander idea of this fitting into the overall gaming landscape, it's like, no, it's just a weird thing for PlayStation. Let's release it and move on. That would be good for that studio, and I hope they can find their way, you know, navigate the current PlayStation

to make that happen. I don't know how hopeful I would be for that to be able to be pulled off, though, because Sony wants worldwide global hits and then they want live service games, and I don't know if that

fits in with what Media Molecule can maybe be able to pull off. And then for Visual Arts Studio, this is the team that was going to or wanted to, They were interested in taking over Uncharted, and then they actually ended up actually start working on the Last of Us Part one remake before Naughty Dog was like got pretty territorial about both those things and said no to Uncharted and then took over the Last of Us Part one remake from Visual Arts Studio.

That studio always seemed a bit like, hey, we want to do more, and then they've been sort of slapped down and be like, no, you got to know your place, and I think that's kind of hurt morale there. And now they're kind of they're experiencing layoffs. So yeah, it's a it's a weird thing, but also maybe there's a bigger story there that we're not aware of. I don't know it. While Sony is experiencing layoffs, games are doing very well. Sony says Spider Man two is the

fastest selling PlayStation studios game in history. It sold two point five or yeah, two point five million copies in its first twenty four hours. They say that does get the fastest selling PlayStation game and stood in its history. But but it's hard to compare it to the other ones because they always use a different timeframe, Like God of War, rag Rock was like five million in like three days, Spider Man was a four million in two days or four

days or something like that. We've never had one rock this is it's sold this many in twenty four hours, So they always kind of change it up, so it's hard to compare apples to apples either way. Though, that's very good. Two point five million copies in a day. Yeah, clearly we knew Spider Man two is going to be very successful. It is a massive hit for first Insomniac. Do you guys think they can maintain this level of of like sales with like Wolverine and other things like that, And it's

like with Wolverine warns popular, Yeah, very popular. Yeah. Like if we're looking at like the Marvel hierarchy before the MCU, it's Wolverine and Spider Man are probably like the top two most recognizable characters, right. I think that's maybe Hulk, maybe Venom, and then even then Captain American iron Man at were still bottom of that list, and then probably like the very very very very bottom is like Cyclops. Maybe I don't know about that slander.

I've done a lot of scientific research, and you know, Cyclops is at least a solid five or seven. You know, he's cool, Scott something, He's like no, like he was willing to do what needed to be done. But Fantastic four is probably above Cyclops. I'll give you that. Yeah, but you know I'm a Fantastic four kind of sucks man. I don't know, excuse me. The first family in marvels not it's just like not you read Richards can stretch his brain out. Yeah, I guess that's

that's kind of cool. So smart. Not only can you stretch your arms out and be all super stretching, like, oh I can get that can over there, but now I can think hella hard because my brain can keep growing. Jessica Alvis Tower disability and just going away, not just like not appearing to be there, having a underwear bran Yeah, Michael as the thing who a billionaire isn't just al but like a billionaire like didn't you like launch

some crazy like sauty brand thing or something. That's what going away is all that sounds plausible, Like that's always what happens is these celebrities have their own brands and then they sell them and become billionaires. Her husband has a very popular underwear brand. I think okay is uh. I was like, I was like, is it Alta am? I just think an Alba and Alta sound alike, and that is what I was doing. That just happened to

my brain real quick. Small little tidbits on Spider Man two Insomniac is fixing a Cuban flag that they put up inside the house of Miles Morales, who is a Puerto Rican or a Puerto Rican descent. Actually, uh so that's a little bit of a noopsie. Uh that game very good about representing New York Puerto Rican culture. This is just I looked at the flag. I saw it. I didn't like, I'm a dummy, so I didn't think

anything of it when I saw it. And I'm like, maybe part of me is like I noticed it because it's like, but I've just moved on really quick. I could see that happening a little bit. But god, they're so good at this. It is a little surprising. Depth. Don't let that mistake, which is still a mistake and a big mistake. Y, Yeah, takeaway from all of the representation that they've been able to add to the game. Please, it's very good stuff in there. Yes,

so I echo that. And then a number of Spider Man two discs are failing to fully install the game. Mostly it seems like in Europe there seems to be kind of an epidemic of games installing from the discs stopping at thirty six percent or somewhere around there, and then they just won't work. You have to take it back to the store and get a different one, and there's no guarantee that disc will work. So some stores have stopped selling the

discs entirely until they can get like a new batch from Sony. So hey, if that's happening to you, you're not alone. You probably want to just actually call the store and not Sony to get that fixed. But yeah, good luck, okay. Sticking with PlayStation, the PS five Slim and Spidey bundles have leaked, or at least their dates have leaked. The PlayStation

five Slim will be released in November twenty twenty two in the US. In other regions, it will be available in two models, that standard edition with the disk drive, and then a digital one that's going to be four hundred and fifty dollars. It sounds like Sony is planning to launch this on November eighth, at least that's what the leaker, Bill bil Koon says, And

this will be a bundled with Spider Man and that's it. And it's going to be a five hundred and sixty dollars version, so it'll be the physical console with a disc of Spider Man two, and then two days later, apparently on November tenth, they're going to launch the regular slim Ps fives without a game packaged in there. So they haven't given us a date yet. Sounds like it's coming relatively soon though, And if that's the case, we got to hear about this, I got to imagine maybe by the end of

this, but we'll see. Microsoft CEO says it's doubling down on being a game producer and publisher. Satia Nadella says the company is doubling down on its game gaming division following its acquisition of Activision Blizzard. He believes that gaming is one of Microsoft's three main arms and that it is a growing market. The acquisition will make Microsoft one of the largest game publishers and will help them cater

to a growing demand for gaming. I don't think anyone had had the sense that Microsoft was retreating, but Satia Nadella keeps coming out and talking up gaming. What does that look like to you, guys? What it was a

doubling down from Microsoft look like for video games? I get a little bit scared because the CEO getting involved and just like you're you gonna stop letting Phil Phil and Booty cook, and that like you're gonna double down too much and overcorrect when there isn't a lot of correction to be going on right now, right, just get the games out. It's kind of where they need to

be, right. Yeah, what that looks like is that game Pass is going to be on everything moving forward, Right, It's going to be on mobile. They're going to figure out how to put that bad boy on the switch to It's never going to be on the PlayStation five or whatever comes next. But like, game Pass is going to continue to be a behemoth. Yeah. I wonder if some Microsoft wants to make that mobile store that's going

to be an alternative to Google Play and the app store. Don't That seems like an idea that can't work unless some sort of like backward regulation thing happens where these companies get in trouble unless they offer another another store. And Microsoft's like, we have a store you could put on your phone, and now you're good with regulators. I wonder if they're like, try to leverage that and be like, and the same is true of consoles. We'll put PlayStation

store on an Xbox. If you put Xbox Store in game Pass on PlayStation. It seems crazy, but I wonder if they think that's a possibility with the way regulation is going. I don't know. Seems a tough one to

pull off in terms of like what is possible. Hey, I think they are mostly moving in the right direction, but the games they're putting out, they need to just maybe do some of that Nintendo magic of just being Nintendo and take your time and make sure things are right before you put out, before you announce them even because that's what they're at a point where like Perfect Dark has been announced for years and years and years and we haven't seen anything

of that thing. Yeah, grub, but we you know, take into account who they just acquired, and if you're telling them to take their time and be like Nintendo. Yeah, I don't think call of Duty waits for anyone. Call duty does not wait for anyone. Although I think it's much more likely Call of Duty would skip a year now than when it was under activision, although I still don't think it's going to be skipping years doesn't apparently it doesn't know how you tried, it sucked it up. It's like what

we put on another one accidentally. Well, all you had to do was nothing. Where does campaign come from? Who even made this? We don't know. It just happened. Yeah, were they supposed to take a year office? That was that was the rumor, And that's what you could tell by looking at what they're putting out this year. It is all the Modern Warfare two original maps, Like that's all of the maps that's in Modern Warfare

three. And it's like clearly this was supposed to be an expansion to Modern Warfare two, the new Modern Warfare two, and then they just kind of bundled it back together like actually, we'll release it for seventy dollars and call it a whole thing. So yeah, yeah, it's it's it's strange, but yes, they have a full call duty game this year. All right, let's let's jump to this next one. Actually, Jane Meddle Gear Solid

four five and peace Walker allegedly referenced in metal Gear Solid Collection files. References to metal Gear Solid four five and peace Walker were found in the files of the recently released middle Gear Solid Master Collection Volume one. This could be a simple test during development, or it could be evidence that a second volume could

one day include these games. Metal Gear Solid five is currently playable on modern platforms, but metal Gear Solid four and peace Walker have only been available on their native platforms. At one point during development, middle Gear Solid four was allegedly running smoothly on Xbox three sixty, but it was never released from for that platform due to technical and practical limitations. I think it's also because Sony locked it down. Yeah, okay, listen, they are going to do

a volume two. They called this one volume one, and you can't do a volume two without including metal Gear Solid Floor. That's what really matters here, right, Dan, What do you think? Yes, yeah, hure percent, that's the one, and it's honestly, I think it's it's a really, really great game. I know a lot of people will find it polarizing, but uh, it's it's it's a shame that you have to hook up a shoot PS three to play it. So, yes, that's kind

of why I don't consider it a main line. You just say whatever you want on a podcast. Uh, you know, it's just like a personal thing that I've made and therefore is canon. Now, I just don't see it that way. I don't know it makes sense. Yeah, yeah, and when you can explain it like that, of course it's hard to argue look back. Yeah, it could include anything to you. So I mean, obviously those three games I think are it's ghost Babble. Okay, I

think that's right too. I think those games really fleshes it out. But if they released it with just you know, four, five and peace Walker, that's that would qualify as the volume two to me, and they can get away with that. I think sure, hundred percent. I would love to see you play Metal or Solid four. It would be hilarious to see you play it not knowing what happens in like two or three, because that'd be fun. We've only played one, right, I've only played one.

In five really liked five. I love one. You going from one to four? That that sounds hilarious to that. All right, this, if this comes out, we'll definitely do it, but maybe we'll find rates and do it before that too. The only one Bianca has played, And so I cannot imagine having no context of like even who solid Snig is and then just playing the most batshit game on the planet. And I don't really remember the story of one, but I could, like I play one, watch

a watch. You can beat one pretty quickly, collection, so you should just do one and we go to four. Okay, cool, all right, that's that's what we should do. That's fantasy. That's like watching Star Wars in like not chronological order, but like numbered order. At this point, watching a chronological order would be insane too. Can you do that to a person? Like? Should should you do that to someone under thirty?

Like make them watch one through nine? Like please? No? Yeah, but if you like include all the bullshit side like Disney shows and stuff like that, you've got a whole bunch of stuff you got to put in there. Fucking obi wan. Okay, okay, how we're good. That's colors rebels, fine, I'm fine with those at this point. I've actually been really enjoying rebels for what I've seen it obi Wan is a crime. It is kind of funny that like someone under twenty like you just can't have,

like you just can't ingest st Wars in like a logical way. It's just like it's there now, you know. It's well, I'm gonna present a similar thing for someone under twenty five or someone that has never experienced the Lord of the Rings series. Do you start them with the hobbit it? I don't know, absolutely not. You don't start them with a hobbit. And then Dan has a good point to take on this. You just love Lord

of the Rings over there, what do you think? No, they are all very boring, so you just don't don't watch them, is the answer. You value your time more than that. You make them read what's the Silmarillion? Yes, and then you like spin them around four thousand times and in the woods. Yeah. And then just like you know, I'm so glad you Return of the Key is like terribly busy all the time that she doesn't jump in and just like Engine, he's always a thread. So I

would love those poppins from Lucy to defend Lord of the Rings. Real Quick VGC just posted a Modern Warfare three p S five slim bundle has been spotted in the wild, so that's happening as well. Pairing that system up with Modern Warfare at spider Man probably gonna sell very well this holiday. Okay, last two stories here, here's some fun ones. We've had all the bad stories. Let's have some fun news. Numbskull releases cologne based on metal Gear

Solid franchise. To coincide with the release of metal Gear Solid Master Collection Volume one. Numbskull has released a limited edition unisex cologne inspired by the game's iconic location of Shadow Moses Island. Haven't you want to always wanted to smell like Shadow Moses Island? I know kinda yeah, I think I already do kind of smell like that. Though I'm okay with this. I there's something about like, uh, you know, yeah, I want to know what this

smells like. I want to know what I was initially very skeptical about this, but gamers are notorious for smelling bad. Yeah, I'd rather them smell like an island than a gamer. Yes, absolutely, definitely all getting like I know that's the joke about cons and events, but like, it's pretty crazy that there's not been like one Colonne or you know, uh scented Aroma company to be like, hey, we know it's tough. Hey you know I made a ww F Colone once. Oh I'm just yes fan. Ever

since yes, wow, Well they stopped making the Colone grub. That's why they start smelling bad again. A Numbskull has released three previous video game colognes. Have you guys looked at this? If you haven't, don't, Oh what are they? I must know? I don't want you to guess. Give me just some gases. That's like warmish island. Oh really, fuck, you're like warmish There. I spoiled myself. I looked jumping flash. I would if it's warm to crack. What is it like like a ratcheting

clank? You like you're getting a little bit cooler crash bandicoots. I am cool? Jesus Christ, what the fuck? I'm upset by looking at all of these. Okay, there's three different ones, and they're they're very different, but they are all Sega. So there you go. Oh so there's SNA cologne. Yes, how fast smell like blueberry? Yeah? Blueberries two more and they're nothing like Sonic, but they are very alike. But you

know what I think would be a good cologne, Samba di Amico. Oh yeah, I can smell a little spicy, you know, absolutely Sho Moo Shoin Move cologne and yeah Kuza cologne. Oh yeah, just makes sense. Definitely makes sense for sure. I feel like I can smell that game like Ki you probably smells great pop collar and then you see yea absolutely. Let me do a quick poll here, who do you think out of all the wrestlers I worked with at w E, who do you think had the strongest

Let's say it's a clone smell. It's definitely like who do you think is bathing in cologne? Like you will smell him coming, miss dan uh. Corey Graves the Godfather, Ah okay, all right, yeah he runs the strip club. He smells like like, oh my god club. Hell yeah, you don't into bathrooms. Like thirty minutes after he left and there was like he's still in here, all right. Finally Blizzard is giving away a Diablo themed PC that's liquid cooled with real human blood. No no, no,

no, no no no, we don't need to do this. We don't need to do this. We're running the promotion called Blood Harvest, where US citizens can donate blood to win a custom piece he infused with real human blood. People need that blood, don't they'll cool my blood there? Bad? Alright's gone stale? Yeah, kids do that with a They did it with a comic book, right, like they put their blood in it. Yeah, like the ink or something like. Yeah, this wasn't real.

Just told me it was red water, like red dyed water. That would have been better. The PC will include high end components and will be themed after the Diablo game series. Yeah, we get it. In game items will also be unlocked this more blood is donated the campaign and Capane has already reached twenty seven percent of its goal. Why did they do human blood and

not like pig blood? I don't understand or red water? Yes too, of course, Jen, But you reminds me of a thing with the Yeah, little naz X try to do something with like blood and shoes, right, whatever happened with that? Was there a backlash? There was a backlash. I think Nike was like, please don't do that, and then I don't think I think a Little nas X was like, all right, I won't you should be able to do that? Is blood also like a good

coolant? Yeah, that's what it was supposed to keep you hot? Like, yeah, that's what I think is like hot blood cool. Yeah, I don't know. They probably are mixing it together with some other stuff with keep it liquid and actually make it work as a coolant. Marcus, the blood is human cooling. Oh man, Okay, yeah, hey, knock yourselves out. I'm good. I'm good on this. I'll just donate blood for the hell of it. It's so gross and I love the horror spooky

stuff, and this is terrible. Listen, have fun, though, Knock yourselves out. Jan I'm done with the news. I'm handing the show back over to you. Every time we're about to go to a break. Today, it's just I just feel iky and I feel gross. Now it's blood now. Before it was weird interesting takes, but at least Dan was willing to look past that. I can't look past this blood. I'm gonna need to take a shower. We'll be break well. See breaks done, he's

done, he's rattled blood. Why all right, We'll be back with emails shout outs, and then we'll end this goddang show. We'll see you have to this quick break or break BombCast. The Giant bomb dot com is the email address to send your emails to. Please don't send any emails related to blood. Yeah, stop sending your blood through email. Just just don't do that. Please You like the I think I like the smell like elden ring that has like a nice musk to it, right, yeah, yeah,

smell like twisted metal. Yeah that's just what. Smell like chameleon twist yeah yeah yeah, yeah, like lining and stuff. Yeah yeah, what do you think? Uh, Maco from or Maco from uh Final Fantasy seven smells like I feel like it smells cold. Oh it's like uh, it's like the green gushers. Yeah, it's like green. It smells green and cold. Yeah. I'm not going to describe further what that means. And I'm

also smells like radioactive Russia is what it smells like. I don't know, Okay, okay, uh hey, Special shouts out to you the listener at home. You've actually been getting an obscene amount of emails, and I appreciate that I read every single one. Sometimes you don't have the time to get to those specific emails. But I appreciate them. I read them nonetheless. First email comes from splotch. Hey, if you arrange the letters in kurbl, you get back color kisses Splodge, thank you. I'm wrong. Well

that fucking rules and spelled all fucked up. It's cool. Yeah, it's like I want to play that curbl too. Again. I haven't touched it since it came out. I know it was released kind of early. It's an early access. Was that this year? It was this year? Yea Hey, I got another question of was it that this year? Backlar when you play through Eternal Darkness? Was that this year? There's no way I better not be I don't know, Jen, I want to say it has to be. Ye, it's fucking it's fun. I'm not total one,

it's fucking It was absolutely this year. Episode one was August thirty, first of last year. Last yeary time, it's a valuable thing. Wait the pendulum swings. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute. We've been at fandom for I thought a year. Yeah, we were still under started re adventures. Yeahah, in our last the final episode, final episode is January twelfth this year. Yes, what do you have like a fucking private Wikipedia. You keep I don't know. We posted these videos on

the Internet. Okay, okay, buddy, whatever you say there please, it's called Wikipedia. Come on, get with the times. It's a cool thing. That's a cool joke that had the Internet's making right now. Oh man, that's huh okay, anyway, take it away, Jane. Next email comes from Aaron. Greetings bombers. Aaron here from Steven's Point, Wisconsin, going two for two, shooting shot at an email. Hat trick, Jan, that's got to be worth podcast points or a badge or something.

You know what you get a commemorative podcast plate. I've been listening closely as to what questions always flow to the top to the surface, so hopefully this surgical strike will put me over the top in the leaderboards. Uh oh, I'm what most people would call a pretty normal person when it comes to eating various foods. I may have some quarks that people bat an eye at, but only if you have caused outward hostility amongst friends, family, and even

my significant other. I know when it comes to food, you guys have nothing but concrete, undisputed conclusions. So I hope you can put this one to bed for me. Science. Yeah, provided a tall glass of milk is available. What is the best way to eat an oreo? I apparently have a monstrous approach where I'll bite the oreo or, in some desperate cases, place the whole thing in my mouth, wherein the milk is sipped,

swished once sometimes twice to soften the lot, then shoot to completion. This is my rational approach, as I tend to have a negative reaction to debris in my drinks, and rarely are you getting away uh clean with a dunk from those creamy chocolate bastards. I figure, why not bring the milk to the cookie humbly await your judgment, best wishes, Aaron. I don't know if I've ever dipped oreos and milk. Have you eaten oreos? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you oreos and Nacho cheese, but not milk. Hundreds

of oreos and Nato cheese. I think zero and milk. It's just like I don't know if I've ever taken a walk. Sure I've ever put a hat on? I mean I don't very often. Sure. I don't think I've seen dead with the car. His head's too big for hats. It's you've had cookies and cream ice cream before. I love the flavor cookies and cream. That's delicious. Yeah, well that's oreos and milk. Yeah cool, that's a cool milk and cream. Uh. I think, like you

see these people that are doing this interesting. I'm just willing to skip past it, skip past it. I was gonna skip past that. I can't believe chance following in, go what do you say? He said, malcus and cream? Dan answers, yes, malcus in cream. All right, we're gonna cream. I've never had like sour cream cream cheese? You never had? What is just? Like? Shoot cream? What is that?

We're the dumbest bitches on the planet because all we do is we go, oh, it's a weird, funny hole in the ground, we should jump into it, and we just do it over and over and over again, and we don't learn a goddamn thing. We're the dumbest mother What is cream

for? So I've seen a lot of people eat oreos and what they do is they stick a fork in the creamy part and then use that to like get big right now, I know, So they do that and they stick it into the milk like that, so they don't think it all mess like drizzling cream on your chicken, like I've really like, what is the like use case for cream? I'm just imagining you really drunk or just fucked up in a robe in a parking lot of a hotel, screaming what is cream

for? Until something like I've never once. I don't know if I've seen cream. Dan it's used for one thing and one thing only, pro creation. Sure it's next to email food wise, I'm serious. Does it cut? I don't know, white container it comes in. I don't know what you put them on top of. You can I don't know you can make

cream by like whipping milk like it's milk. Cream is milk adding? Why not just have milk then, because you needed it needs to be like fattened up for certain for certain recipes, or it's a little more syrup profiles. It's it's it does have a difference like milk. It's just just milk. No, okay, I'm just call it milk, call it fat milk. No, I mean, because then there's the whole thing of whole milk and two percent right there's and by the way, that's a racket because it all

tastes exactly this. No it doesn't, Yes, it does. As you do things to me, how do you how think you skim milk and whole milk identical one of them? Like waysless or something that is worth that is now I'm broking. We broke. It's the exact same thing. It all just says the exact same ship. Just regular coke taste the same asst No, regular coke tastes the same as diet coke. As listen you by you saying this, you therefore invalidate any opinion you have about taste, about what's

good. Like we've established this all right, so why even have an opinion? Then why can't we just continue on with the fucking you're saying. It's indiscernible to me, like a coke a full gimmick pepsi tastes the same as a coke zero. That meant in a sentence before it's insertible to me. We're inside the whole to say it. And he's like so afraid, like I'm not giving into this ship. I'm not gonna say to me. But he did, he like gave it just exactly. He left the door open

just a little bit. I don't think you're lying to me. If you tell me you taste the difference between coke and DIETPEPSI but bring you a great deal of trouble. Then I feel like you should. I feel like you should be like, oh wow, I'm this podcast with you. If I'm you, I'm bummed out because I'm literally missing out on a fifth of all of the senses. I'm just like, well, I guess I taste was better. Yeah, of course, Hey that you lack the ability to do

that, I think you. I think this is just more of your mainline bullshit anything. I want you to think about and be proud that you've been on three weeks worth of the email segment trick, but I want you to think about what you've what you've done to us right now. Yea and world. So that is a weird way to eat oreos, my friend, I'm with Aaron on this. Uh, I did the bumbles in my drinks bothers me. I will bite an oriol put the whole thing in my mouth to

taking it apart or dunking was fun when I was a kid. I'm not saying it's four kids. I know people get a hung up on that, but I but I put away childish things as I've become a man. Though, here's a little here's a freaky little compromise. I'm willing to I'm a cross this bridge with you, Aaron, Let's hear it. Come come with me, my arms around you. We're talking here. Get less milk than you think you need, right, don't don't fill up halfway, get quarter

milk. Right, crush up all the oreos, pre crush them, just throw them in there and then drink that drink the slop. Well, I mean you could like mix together and basically make put some ice cream in there and then you got we're really just describing like overnight oats oreos, like, let's do that. Holy shit, I'm gonna I'm gonna delete this so we could do this all right, Yeah, I'm into that. I'll do that

with almond milk, I mean oat milk. Jan everyone listening right now, take off your headphones, all right, take your headphones off because we're having a secret planning meeting right now. This is how we become rich, all right. This is our brand. This is our this is our alba altas, this is our alcohol. I do sympathize with the debris in the drink,

like it took me the longest time to find orange juice. Orange juice with put your head like acceptable, you know, so I I sympathize with that, but I'm not mad at a little bit of oreo what's overnight oats? Like, I've never done it. I think I have a pretty good idea what it is. But yeah, so the grub you explain it first,

what you think they are. Yeah, you put something like you have a bunch of oats, like and you even in the fridge, and then like it like coagulates, well it yeah, I don't know if coagulates the right word, but it absorbs the milk like it is milk. Okay, all right, I use I use milk alternatives. I use alt milks.

Okay. So it's not just dry oats, right, No. They start off you buy them like rolled oats or whatever, Like I get the TJ one that's like all the ancient grain things that's all mixed up together, and then I do I mix it up with like peanut butter maybe like the tiniest little bit of like chocolate drizzling in there. She is all over that ship, you know ry spices. Yeah, you basically and the overnight is you know, it's like a slumber party and they all just get together. It's

like overnight. Yeah, okay, and then it takes overnight for to soak in. Yeah. I asked because one time meet me and Stephanie back before she's my wife. Thank you. We oversuiting my parents, and right next to my dad's chair, you know dads they have chairs. Right next to my dad's chair was just a cup of dry oats, and she got she's been fixated on this for years and years where he's like, your dad just eats oats. What's he doing. I'm like, I didn't see him eat

the oats, but they were next to his chair. They did look like they had been dug dug into like eating, and so I was like, is that maybe he was doing some overnight oats ship And it's like, no, now those were just dry oats. He was doing instant oats, which is the opposite. Instantly in his stomach they were becoming an oatmeal or something. So I don't know. Still a mystery, all right. Next email comes from Ben the UK talking about a sensitive hot topic. We're talking about

AI folks. Ben from the UK rights dear bombcasters, thank you for making such great podcasts for so many years. My question is about fake AI? Are using AI as a buzzword? For a few years now, I've used an electric toothbrush that has a companion's smartphone app. If you have the app open while brushing, the phone detects the gyroscopic position and angle of your brush and shows you which areas of your teeth you adequately brushed when I replaced my

toothbrush. Recently, this feature has been flashily rebranded as an AI brushing Assistant, despite no change in functionality. I often use this as an example when speaking to non techie people about what AI means. My question to you is what example of fake AI, AIS buzzword, et cetera do you think we'll come to see in video games? Of course, the situation is muddled somewhat by the fact that players have been using the term AI to refer to computer

controlled players for years high reguards been in the UK. You know, I would think that games are better than this. They don't want to use that AI buzzword. Oh it's but no, it's gonna happen. Yeah, yeah, that sucks. I don't know. I mean, is procedural generation? Is that technically AI. I'd listen. I'm not great at like delineating between these things. If someone called it, like, oh, AI leveled creation, I would be like whatever, and I would move on with my day.

But we have a term for it, you know, proc gen procedural generation. Probably just keep using that. Yeah, yeah, this doesn't I mean, listen, buzzwords are gonna buzzword. It's yeah, that's all, like it's going to be a problem, but like, yeah, people should be skeptical of all these things, for sure. But at the same time, it doesn't bother me too much. So I just don't know what to

like. I can't put my stuff in the mind of like a marketer to imagine like what they would start using it for that would rise to this level of a two AI matchup making sure, Yeah, yeah, yeah that sounds right, because yeah, you could go skill based match making like AI match partnering or something like that. Yeah, that stuff could definitely happen. Or if you wanted to take over your like skill point distribution, they could be like, oh, you know AI, you know, make your build.

Okay, now I'm back on board. There you go. Yeah, instead of watching someone play a game, Hey, I just plays the game. Mmm, I remember when HD had this impenetrable presence where like they were putting that ship on the back of pretty much anything including like you know, windows and uh like literal glass and things that could not be HD, like a vacuum or something like that has a lot of pixels. Yeah, that's right, and you'd have those HD glasses like for old people. Yeah, I

remember those. We see that on ESPN, the commercials for that. Yeah. M all right, folks. We did a little memory quiz on whether or not we remembered a game that was brought up, Cooper writes, and again with another memory quiz. Hey, folks, glad to hear that you all enjoyed the small quiz I gave you last week. Backler asked me to do another one for this week, So here you go. All the games here are from the PS three sixty generation were sooner so twenty five to twenty

twenty three. Good luck. And this is just as simple. Whether or not you remember this Eternal Sonata. Yes, the RPG, Yes, the one about Chopin. And I remember this more now because apparently it's the one JRPG that Mike's brother likes and he can never figure out why. He's like, why do you like this chopon RPG, And he doesn't really have a reason. He just does Ancestors the Human Kind Odyssey Monkey Game. Yeah, I like that lot. That's not the monkey game. It's a monkey game.

Monkey game was Odyssey to the West. That game you're thinking different, This is the actual two Monkeys games. No, No, this is not like that, not that kind of odyssey. This is like you start as a basic primate and then you eventually like evolved more like I'm thinking about the character and who was just named monkey? Yes, I love this game because it's a real weirdo of a game, very weird. Yes, and I think it's probably off putting to most people, but I'm like I always want

to go back and play more of it. I love Ancestors Tokyo Jungle, of course. No, L should I Ascension of the Metatron. Yeah, I mean I think you mean Shane Bettenhausen's L should I essentially the Metatron? Yes, this was like, uh like a white background like game where like you were like a figment of like something right, Yes, platforming action stylish action game. Yeah. Next, greed Fall, Yeah, read full I remember the name. I don't remember what this game is like. This is

a for everything. This is like an RPG, a computer RPG that came out recently that was kind of in between all these big ones, and people were pretty hopeful for it, but it kind of was like there wasn't much to it. Vampire with a y R. Yes, I remember that. Was this the don't knod game? I think it might have been. Let me see that sounds right. Yeah, don't not is don't not like do not move your head? I think so, I guess what I mean,

like, don't nod to me? Oh is that what it is? I was about to nod to confirm, but you told me not this weird? Yeah, don't nod ruin her? Yes, an it's a dual stick shooter kind of thing. Uh. It's pretty stylish, not not great, but pretty good. Split second? Hell yeah, building was it a It was a power up racer right, yeah. It came out on the same time as Blur, so there were like two kind of arcade racers the game John Drake. Split second Yeah, the t O E M. Yeah, QT

art style. Are you taking pictures of dogs or something? Yeah? That is what that is. Yeah. Yeah, And last on the list here apb reloaded. Yes, what was that GT A very ambitious kind of GTA like that had a big online component that wound up just not at all delivering on the promises. That's right, all right, thank you Cooper for that email. A couple for those those rules. Thank you A couple more here, Uh Joe and Michigan writes and Wowie Zowie bombers. It wasn't until this

morning that I realize it's to me is no longer Mario. My son, who was very into Mario is growing up in a world where he'll presumably continue to grow and be different from the Mario of my childhood. What are some healthy midlife pursuits. I've been thinking about buying a boat since we moved out to the lake, but it seems like a lot of work much love. Wait, so we're not talking about Mario. No. I guess this happens with emails all the time, where they have a little tidbit out front and

then the question has nothing to do with that. That's my favorite wild card. Yeah, pursuits, don't do the boat thing. That seems like so much work. Just boats? Yeah, yeah, rent boat. I'm going to say I'm doing like long walks every day and like that's been a good one. Yeah, hiking biking. What is it? What's the name of the app. There's a hiking app that tells you the trails and all trails,

all trails. So yeah, we were I just used this because we were we were traveling to Hockeying Hills and there's a bunch of great trails down there. I used it, and then I got home and I'm like laying on my floor like being a piece of ship, like I wonder if there's trails around me, And of course there are along a quarter of mile way where trails everywhere, and it's like five star rated. I'm like, this is better than you the trails I just went to on this trip I went

on. I'm like, go walk this thing. So it's like hiking trails are cool. Fully do it too, Like you can get in the bicycling as well, like and get the gear, but like get hiking shoes and the fun little like walking sticks and stuff like that. Make it a hobby like that the way that's that's the important thing, the healthy midlife pursuit is yourself. Yeah, yeah, I like that. Get better shoes, across the board. Don't keep wearing the same shoes or brandish shoes you wore as

a kid or a young adult. They're all out of business. Sorry, sorry buckler. Okay, they still make British Knights. Those they must someone owns. Somebody owns that fucking brand. Someone must. We should, we should get sponsored by British Knights, just like Nickelodeon. Be sick. Oh, everyone's rocking. I don't know how you pronounce them. Is it hakka or hokah? What are they? What are those that brandy? Hokah? Yeah, everyone's rocking that ship. Now. They're they're good. They're like

a slightly trendy your new balance, good shoes, good everyday shoes. I was at a bot mitzvah a little while ago, and all the kids, now, uh wear Jordan's with dresses. Oh yeah, that's that's that's it, that's it. I didn't know that. I had not been anywhere where someone under like twenty was like, where's that come from? Jan who's like the progenitor of that? Look right now? You know the Lydia Rodriguez or whatever. She doesn't wear Jay's, she'd never be gone dead. It looks

for the brand. I don't know. I don't know, I don't know. I get where? Where? Why are we asking? Yeah? Sure, where is it? You're you're you like it? The youth loved the J's. Part of it is a style, like a style and status thing right totally. Because the people who are wearing Chucks didn't get asked to dance No my hakeemlaja shoes once at school. That's fucked up. It was Jordan's and and Commerce Chucks like that's where the two sneakers of choice. It was.

I I'd never seen anything like it, but I'm like, oh, this makes perfect sense. Like dress shoes suck. They're not comfortable. Yeah, dress shoes you suck when you think about it. Our feet aren't meant to be shaped and crammed into that slim ass shoes. What pre co invented heels? Like, get out of here? Where are you guys at with shoes these days? Because I was for a hot minute, there were definitely trying to save money. Was just like getting a shitty throwaway pair from Walmart

or Target. Whenever I like, oh these shoes are wearing down, I'm at Target. I'll get another thirty five dollars pair of shoes. I recently did get a pair of Adidas, but before we before some I got. I got Adidas. I can't say words. Uh, and I'm aware for it. And they're they're holding up and they're like even like easier to clean, and they seem it seems like I'm getting my money's worth, is what

I'm kind of Adidas. I don't fucking I understand. Okay, there you go, I thank you, thank you for absolutely they were like twice as expensive as the shoe I normally buyed basically got it. But I'm pretty much an exclusive Ultra Boost Adidas person. I need I need this sockos ULTRAO is just like the heel material and like the knit sort of sock outer material. I've got feet that need to breathe, I guess, I don't know, and I need that softness on the outside. So I almost only wear like

Ultra Booster. No complaints, no complaints. They're my favorite sneaker. Let me tell you, let me let me convince you to join the congregation of crocs. It's just not happening. They're expensive though socks, yes, I understand, but it's a premium that you're paying for that adapts to your feet. Crocs, let me tell you. Let me tell you, folks, they'll reinvigorate. They'll reinvigorate those little bad boys you got at the bottom.

These are Birkstocks. What I'm saying is Birkenstocks or crocs, Birkin crocs, st Ox or crocs, that old classic. Let me tell you. Tam tried these on it the Boma thon last year and I was like, oh, mate, where'd you get these from? In heaven? I would French Stewart react to them? Oh, cheering, these little they look like potatoes for your feet following me around. Wow, I can put these on it, just slip them on. Listen the triangle, the cross, the crocs

stuff. There's something about it. And again this comes from a place of pure judgment, folks. I'm not like, this is in no way me being like they look uncomfortable. No, they look comfortable. But I just can't. Let me tell you they make stylish ones. Now, y'all saw the looking ones I had. I'm sure the pink ones look. It's just I just can't do. I don't know, like if that's what I said, like spoke for them, would you get him. Then he did. He has he has a line. I leave my post along ago. Jeff

Backar follows, how did you know that? I don't know? Like again, you know, I'll, i'll I would like try them on, have of this. My answer is like such a hard no until if I if I try one pair on and I am like blown away at their comfort, then maybe I would consider like just the house pair. Yeah, just the house pair. Hi'd your shame? Yeah, I'm not going out to them. This is this is what I wear. Do you guys do flip flops

or anything like that? I don't want to. I'm uncomfortable. I don't like Yeah, gets like I just want to go outside for something like get the paper or something. Put on this. Okay, that's a good deal. All right, all right, all right? Last two emails. Uh. This one comes from Robert from Florida, writing in about the Gimmick of the Year. Hey, Duders, Game of the Year is coming. I think we should revisit the laughs and memories we had together. Any edition come

in mind. They've presented several categories here, Work of the Year, where we celebrate a crew member bamboozling another potential nominees Satan becoming a frequent guest in Eternal Darkness. Sure Love saying Dan's alternate Dan appearing in the background. That's the name is Chris Friend. No, it's fine, don't take offense to that. You have him in the corner, just like Chained Up. It's a it's a big closet. Bonyello making Mike Boniello's Mike Manati song. That's

pretty up. There is good. Okay. Now we have a Shoot of the Year where we had a genuine laugh together about something. Potential nominees Dan realizing there's loading screens between counting boxes in Sonico six. Yeah, film in forty is a NET. I'm not that drunk, not that drunk. I'm not that drunk. I'm a good father. We are so in love. We should just do an annual. A NET should film in forties. Every film forty should be a double feature with a NET. Oh, God,

Jesus, let's do a sandwich of a NET. Start with a NET, actual movie than a Nette. Jesus. Next sandwich, No, No, I can't, can't. And last nominee for Shoot of the Year Robo Mitch getting drilled at the end of that tunnel. Sure funny, that was perfect moment. Gimmick of the Year a category that explicitly doesn't have a definition. Potential nominees janz A Red Beanie, Jim Ryan quitting Sony, Lucy James being okay with Wiki feet because her rating is good. I love you all.

Robert from Florida. I really like Gimmick of the Year and that anything can go in there. That. Yeah, like that we could do that. Yeah, that's a good bit. That's like the one year we did the Letter of the Year. Yeah, and then j one, Yeah of the year. All right, last email of the show, and thank you once again, everyone sending your lovely emails to BombCast the giant bomb dot com. Corey from Atlanta rights in, Hey guys, my six year old says, bruh a lot does he suck? This is? That is the one age

I think where it would be cool. That's true. You know they all mine's eighth and they all do it too. Then it's more bro. They evolve from okay, eight, he's too old like that at that point because they're like fully functioned. Well they say bro, they everything is bro like bro. Do just see the size of that? That's not funny or endearing, like a six year old is young enough to be funny, saying bro,

yeah, same bro, Yeah that's funny, that's funny. We there was a moment in our lives where we were all saying fat like that was a cool thing to do. So like, look, they d wouldn't shut it. Yeah, you only get to be a kid once, so h, I would just look your kid dead in the eye. Corey from Atlanta and after he says bruh, just go that's why yeah and walk away from the room. Brother, thank you once again for sending all your emails to

bombcassagiant bomb dot com. We got a couple of shoutouts here starting now. These are the shout outs for the show right in your shout outs for the show shoutouts. Is metroidread a mainline Metroid game. It's two D and has a title instead of a number. Smiley face, Brian Cabrera, Dan's right, Mario Wonder isn't a mainline Mario game, just a fun side experiment. Skimbity toilet shouts out to my boy Nick krom Nick, the reason why Jan

should stay away from Warhammer. Bro bought a starter box within three months lost his job, his wife, his kids, and his house. By the end of it, he was in the back alley of a game's workshop, trading hj's for model paints, well screaming for the Emperor. Rip Nick died doing what he loved, playing warm Rammer and slinging hj's by asking your partner post coitus if it was a worker, Shoot, it's good, Jed, you look great. Bechler, you look great. Grub, you look great.

Al card from the hit series Helsing Ultimate Swack Pizza. I named my season of blood character carefree, salt Lick and twenty four checks. Please. Uh it's thunderstorming right now and it's too dark to see the salt lick. I've been watching Rebels instead. I'll get back to twenty four soon. Hey nos, fuck you. Happy birthday. J. C. Tucker shouts out to Mike, never saying a flower is another name for a vagina ever again. No, I know we can't say the sea word anymore, but his

com still on the table. If it is, what about a piece cooled by crumb? You said you? You should said Crumb first as well. I think there Daisy is overrated. Should have been Rosalina in wonder instead trying to hurt our boy Mike. Huh, Rosalina is mid two. Don't make me fight, y'all, pointing up emoji. How fucking dare you love? Sean? I have to leave soon? Can someone shout out? Just a new product where she's editing, sound designing and voicing in a new D and

D podcast called Tenders, Dan, you have a normal head size. The haberdasher two million podcasts points to you the listener, I don't condone this, and shouts out to babies. I guess, yeah, what what's up baby? They haven't done shit though, You're right, they don't deserve it. Get a job and we'll talk. Yeah, you can accrue a balance, but you can't hold on to the actual points. Uh, folks, we got out jam packed week. As it turns out, every week is a

jam packed week. Games mornings for the rest of the week. Uh. Blight Club new season starts tomorrow. Yes, I have apparently test Grub's wife with doing impossible things with clothes, so we'll see. I think I know what the problem is. Hey, Grub, can you take that well? I don't want to spoil. Oh yeah, take your headphones off for a second. Yeah, oh god, can you not iron like patches onto denim? I assumed iron on patches where iron on passes. Then then then iron

on patches have glue on the back that milk. Wait are the ones that I bought? Are they? Probably not? You dumb motherfucker. Let me see if it says anything about irons in this because yeah, I just told like iron twenty patches. Uh see, sorry to scroll through eight pages of anti woodpecker stuff in my Amazon history. Hang on, Dan, for real, that is come on, dude, here it is no so wait, come on, so or iron on patches, Well, dude, iron on

patches have like an adhesive on the back of them. Okay, and so you go with that on denim should be But yeah, then I don't know what the problem is. I don't know. Okay, Well, I'm gonna be staying. You have to ask them, be like, oh is it Maybe you had a choice to choose between iron on or sewing. Maybe there was like an option, Dan of like you know you want this size or that? Shoot me your receipt. Let me see your receipt here. Let me show you just the choice on the side. We gotta get grub.

I'm gonna put it on the and the chat here if you want to take a look at it, folks, Well don't see that. Well yeah, and I don't want people to see it. It's DM me. Uh. And let's bring grub back. I feel bad. Yeah, grub grub over here, over here reading there you go, there, you go back there. You got it all right? I like we said, new season of Blake Club on Thursday. Another episode of Game Mass Mornings. But we also have the Mario Wonder Grand Prix. We're just gonna be racing for times in

Mario Wonder. I don't know which courses we're gonna do or levels. Figure it out as we go by. Are you the game master? Jan? Sure? I guess okay, I gotta play more of that game. Then voicemail dumb truck popping off this as well as another episode of Friday Night Everybody's the fourth of July game Mess on Friday. And then what we also got popping off is a upf still kind of up in the air, but we're thinking spooky themed yep, spooky Spookyuh, gentlemen, anything else popping off you

want to plug talk about? We? Oh? We said fourking No I don't I think we're good. I mean we have we explicitly been pushing what we're doing for extra life, yet uh we we start talking about it. Yeah, and also I got my flight, so okay, and so to Minati. So all right. So that's right. The weekend after the SF team is congregating to for twelve hours, we're gonna have the Midwest team,

the East Coast team congregate together Middle Coast. Yeah, the Middle Coast team, Dan, do you want to share what the team what y'all are doing or is there for a long time? We need to start having a chat. But like I've got a bunch of like you know, like Warrior where it comes out right before that, like there's you know, Mario party will likely happen. You know, there's many different options. We'll start getting together a real prison cell bunk bed situation for me to sleep in. I do

have a trip. I have a trip triple bunk bed. So him and Manati, yes, enjoy on that. On that first weekend, I want well, I want to do some little stream that I'll probably stream for like twelve hours, and I want to do some DDR. I'm gonna get d DR set up in place some of that. So so yeah, well I'll do some of that and then then we'll head the dance and well it'll be fun. We'll be in person. We said some brute force. We'll see if that gets played, we'll see I did. I bought brute force,

so I have that. Here we go looking forward to well, stay tuned to the website. Lots of wonderful things popping off once again. If you missed the announcement at the top, we now have a game spot review podcast called the Game Spot Review Cast. Go subscribe to that. Hey, you know, while you're listening to this, I don't know, thumbs up the video or podcast, review the podcast, I don't know, comment and stuff. I have a friend's phone. Subscribe to the podcast and subscribe. It's

like, do that, dude, Yeah, mess with that. We spoke about brute force. Brute force our way onto your friend's phone. Do that, and then we'll see you next week for another episode of the Giant BombCast. I've been chaanned, he's been chef. He's also been chef. He's been Dan. And you at home, drink some water today, you know, stretch, wiggle your hands a bit, and then you know, well, We'll Wall Party reconvene next week another episode of the Giant BombCast Smooches