What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky and joky. I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Wait a minute, I'm ghosted. Hiros dresss Hey boo, it's me Roz so excited for today's episode.
But before we get into that, I went to the Facebook group called Ghosted by Roz dressfalas a great place to leave ghost stories. And you know who just did that. Becky did that. And Becky has got a real doozy for us. And I'm hoping to get Becky on one of these listener episodes because Becky's got stories. Okay, listen to this one. When I was about twelve years old and about to start seventh grade, my my mom moved us to a townhouse in Lancaster, California. We moved there
from San Diego. It was a culture shock, to say the least. The house wasn't particularly old or remarkable, pretty much your standard track homes. We certainly weren't expecting of any of the events that were to occur within its walls. When we got settled, the television began to start flipping through channels on its own. We could have possibly explained that away, but it would stop on command Ooh this Sweek. One night, we went to dinner and then made a
stop at the local music Plus. Yes I'm that old. I scored two new cassette tapes and couldn't wait to get home to listen to them. We pulled into the garage, I jumped out the back seat and ran into the house while my parents were still unfastening the belts on my little brother's car seat. As I start to ascend the stairs, with thoughts of New Morrissey and New Order music bouncing in my head, something stops me dead in my tracks. I feel pressure in my chest and I
feel frozen. I look up and I see the shadow of what seems to be a tall man coming down the top of the stairs towards the landing on the opposite wall. I'm standing just beyond the landing itself, and I can hear his heavy footsteps as he takes each step closer. I spin around and bolt the stairs toward the garage, where my family is still making their way into the house from the car. I'm clearly hysterical, and I tell them someone's in the house. I didn't even
consider anything paranormal. I was convinced this was an intruder. My mom gets my brother back in his seat and jumps in the driver's side. She starts the car and I jump in the back seat. Then my stepdad tells me to stay in the running car in case we have to drive away fast. He makes his way inside the house. I was shaking waiting for him to chase the stranger out of our home. A few minutes go by and he emerges from inside. His expression is that
of total confusion. He tells us he looked everywhere and there is nobody inside. Not an open window, nothing moved, not a soul. I didn't believe him. I just it couldn't be possible. I saw a something. This wasn't a mist or a cloud. The thing I saw was solid. It had weight and was moving toward me. We all went into the house cautiously. The air was thick, but no human was in the house with us. I never slept well in that house. This is only one of
many unexplained things I experienced in that house. I was very relieved when we finally moved. Oh my god, Beggy, we want to hear all of them. Uh, that's scary. I love the idea of a ghost that's like, we're gonna watch what I want to watch tonight on TV. Click. That is so funny but also scary. Thank you for sharing that. I am so excited to share with you yet another conversation that I have had with Sam Pancake. Now. Sam is my best friend. He is an actor. He
has been on so many iconic TV shows. He's currently on your mom's favorite TV show called A Million Little Things on ABC. He plays Carter. I know it's my mom's favorite TV show. She could not get enough of it. And the two of us we've had many experiences. We used to host a podcast together, we used to host a stage show together. We've done so many shows, and I mean we're genuinely, really really close friends, and it
leads us to all different kinds of adventures. And so in today's episode you'll hear about a couple of those. And also we recently decided that we're going to go to Las Vegas, and of course I want to like go to spooky places and just you know, kooki and fun little places in Vegas. So I'll be doing that very soon, within the next few weeks. And so if anybody has it, like you know, like spooky places that we can go. Let me know. I definitely want to check out a few. Of course, I know about the
Haunted Museum. I'm nervous, but we'll see. Maybe I'll bring my crystals and we'll go check it out. But yeah, let me know if you know of any fun, spooky places that we might be able to check out while in Vegas And on Patreon, so it's that time of the month where I do my reviews of allegedly haunted eBay dolls. So you can check out that video on my first tier and on my second tier. We've got
sort of a longer clip than usual. We decided to do like a you know, we sat down Samini and we told the story of when we encountered somebody a trespasser before they murdered an innocent person. And it's a true story. It's so scary. We you know, I did tell this story one time early on in the pandemic. You know, you might remember if you were listening back then. I was. I did a couple of mini episodes and
I've since taken them down. The audio was bad. I was trying to figure out how to record while in quarantine. But I did tell my side of the story. Now say has like way more details because Sam actually met with detectives more than I did. And yeah, I mean the story is we get into the story in more detail, but basically, someone trespassed on the property where he was living and we shoot this person away and then we found out within hours or so he trespassed on to
someone else's property and killed them. Yeah, so trigger warning it is. You know, we talk about murder. I'm weird about talking about murder, but you know, it's still spooky and I and I am, I'm a human. I'm interested in in murder, whether I like to admit it or not. And it's a it's a juicy story and it's unfortunate that somebody died. But you know, we only know so much about the actual murder. But we know our side of the story. So you can hear you can hear
us Us retelling that side of the story. And in today's episode, we have like a slight mention to some uh it's a little bit of murder, and so that's just a little trigger warning on that. Also, we talk about trans alleghany lunatic asylum, which that doesn't feel like the right word to use anymore. I know that that's what it's called. It's you know, famous haunted place. I guess it's it's called the Lunatic Asylum. I don't like say I feel like that word doesn't feel good to
say anymore. But that's what it's called. So in case you're wondering, that's that's how I know it. I tried googling like it's had other names, but I think that's basically what it's called. So anyway, I hope you enjoyed this conversation with repeat guest, first time conversation here. But yeah, Sam was on the podcast asked early on two years ago, probably almost or something like that. So here he is my best friend, Sam Pancake on with the show. Oh
my God. I am joined today by my Platonic life partner back for his second visit, Sam Pancake.
Hello, Hello, Ross, how are you. I'm happy to be back.
I know I'm so good you. I'm not sure if this is true, but like most things I talk about on this podcast, like any fact that ever comes out of my mouth, I'm not sure if this is true, but I feel like you were the first person I ever recorded with this show, Like we were trying to figure it out, and we ended up posting that like right when the show first came out, so people could still go back and listen to when you were on the show.
When was that. That was like the.
Late eighties, I don't even know.
Okay, before you were born. It was you were not born yet. And we did that podcast together.
Yeah. I can't believe I've had like over one hundred people on the show now, Geeus, crazy crazy, But okay, so the last time you were on, we covered a great story about your friend's apartment in Los Felis and there was a ghost. And I think about that story all the time because it's about like it brings up this idea of like a ghost, like someone passing in a building, but they're ghosts finding their way to another part of the building.
Yeah.
I never get that out of my head. Yeah.
And because my friend who it was happening to, the two women, my friend in her roommate, the the person they talked to, the the shaman or the spirit guide whoever help them do the ceremony to ask the spirit to leave, said that the presence the spirit was attaching to my friend Joni because she was similar and it was of the three people that died in that building within a month. It was the husband who committed suicide
after his wife died of cancer. And the wife resembled somehow Joni, and that was what the that's what the spirit guide. I don't know the medium. I'm not sure what word. This is a ninety eighty nine or ninety so I maybe even eighty eight, so I can't remember what word, but term that was used. But yeah, so you know, it kind of just got up in her and it was for me one of the first times that I had a close friend. She was my boss at the time and a very close friend, and we're
still friends. So she lives in Vegas. Now have that experience of like started out, it's just like weird, is there a rat in the kitchen? Is it mice? And then like pots and pans, banging things, you know, jiggling around in cabinets and cupboards, and then moving into the dining room, slowly making its way down the hall, and just these two women who were just trying to live their lives and then dealing with these presences should whispering
in their ears at night, you know. And again, these are two women who It's just you'd have to know them to know. They're not people who would like make this shut up. You know what I'm saying. They were like these kind of tough, sassy came to LA to be actors, a little little passive prime you know. I say that in a loving way, like they weren't brain. I don't mean past their prime. That's not good to say,
but I'm like they'd been around. They were ladies who enjoyed a cocktail, and they had been around, and you know it was it was not I guess in my mind someone who you would think be like, oh my.
God, guys, there's a spad in me, me spare it.
In my No, no, no, I put you in the hard drinking old lady category any day of the week. Are you kidding me? Over the hill? Past or prime broad that's you? Okay, before this turns into a fight. That is Those are all compliments for me, and you know it.
I know it is. Well. Another thing that we talked about the last time you're on and again, anyone listen if you hadn't, if you haven't heard it, go back to the beginning of the feet and you'll hear more. Yeah, we do. Plus you and I did a lot of stereo, which we love, and so we've talked a lot about our ghost stories together, and of course, as being best friends, we talk about this stuff all the time. But another thing we talked about the last time you were on
was doing the San Francisco Ghost Tour. Yes, which San Francisco for you and I, I guess makes us feel like we're two paranormal investigation ed in Lorraine Warren.
Easy, please add in Lorraine pancake, pancake hyphen hernandez.
We every time we go to San Francisco, which has been I think, I guess just twice now was.
Like more a couple times you were supposed to go and then we didn't. So maybe those are in my head too, right.
The last time we went was mirror moments before the pandemic took.
Hours before, like literally like last weekend of February twenty twenty.
Well, what it was was, yes, we went. I guess it was the next weekend I did my live show in LA And what I did was I had taken a video of you and I doing our little amateur ghost hunt.
Which I still haven't seen.
Oh, I'll send it to you It's also on Patreon for anyone that wants to see the two of us trying to find ghosts at a hotel in San Francisco. But I think I've talked a little bit abo about that story, but it's fun to hear your side as well. So we ended up at this hotel, so we decided to go up to San Francisco and.
Going to do a road trip we've been before. Like I have said repeatedly, I'm so grateful we did it because I'm always like one foot in, one foot out with road trips because in my life I don't know if like I'm going to get a job, but like there was or like should I spend the money on this, like any like you know, performer, actor, a freelance person
or whatever. And though I'm glad we pulled the trigger and went because we couldn't go anywhere for a year except for I had to travel to Vancouver for work, but that's different. But there were certainly no road trips for a year.
Right, But you were in charge of booking a hotel, yes, And we did not have the intention to stay in a haunted hotel because you know, famously I love the idea of a haunted hotel. I don't want to stay in a haunted hotel necessarily, at least not a haunted room.
It's not overnight, no want to sleep.
Yeah, exactly. And so you chose this place called the Hotel Whitcomb and I.
I booked it through orbits and then yes, ladies and gentlemen watched me talk over my younger sister. It's a story of my life. I will interrupt and talk over no, because I'm just like, I'm just telling it in order. Because I was like, I'll take care of the hotel.
I got it. I'm going to put us in someplace cool in San Francisco because the last time we went, we stayed at my friend's house like an hour outside and we would drive in like we could have probably say there again, but like it's just too much and we want to be in the city, which is expensive, so we wanted a good deal. So I was like, beep up.
Boop, found this place and found thanks to William Shatner, is William Shatner.
The priceline and I uh, and then I sent it to you and you were like, oh, wait a minute, and continue with your your ends.
Who well, I was I did the thing that I do anytime I go anywherever, which is I google a place that I'm about to go with the word haunted afterword or ghosts. I also do it to anybody that I meet that is in the public eye if I type in their name with ghost after hoping that there might be some article about them talking about a ghost, and then I go, hey, you want to go on my podcast? Anyway? Always always on my toes, always looking.
For content, always work.
But so I happen to do that with the Hotel Witcomb, And when I google the Hotel Witcomb, it's with the word haunted. Afterward, it came up like all these like weird websites talking about how it has like this crazy history and it's some believe it's haunted.
And what it used to be city Hall or.
Yes, in that famous earthquake you know, nineteen oh oh six six don't.
Say it with zero or was born I won't kill with you.
They used it as a place to house people, I believe, or no, no, it was shale. It was hell damn it. You know what, if you go to the Patreon video, I did my research for that video. But so it has a long history. It's an old building. I couldn't find any like confirmed like reasons to believe that it would be haunted other than the fact that it's an old hotel. So of course it's haunted. Right. So we finally get there.
And it's old in that because people also prog know this. In that nineteen oh six earthquake slash fire, most of the city of San Francisco was completely leveled. This place wasn't, I guess because it was older than nineteen oh six. I think I'm saying this right, and so that makes it really old for San Francisco.
Even Yeah, right, it's the ghosts. They kept it up. They held it together.
Well yeah, and once you know, everything gets earthquake, they're burned down. They got to I'll go in the check in the hotel wick home where they're going to live.
So he asked the front desk lady like is this place haunted? And she was like, you asked her.
I'm always like, I get real nervous, and you're like, excuse me, because there was like a little bit of a line and we were checking in, You're like hey, and then she said.
Oh, I turned into full investigative report, like yes, I'm over here, Like, who is an investigative reporter?
I like, do we drive up here in the mystery machine? Is my name Velma or.
Oh my god? Exactly exactly. So I asked her, like, is this place haunted? And I want to say. She did the thing that most people that work at places that are haunted to, which is like, no look around, no boss anywhere. Yeah, yeah, okay, I've heard a few stories. Leans in real clothes. I've heard a few stories. And I remember just stinctly, she told this story whatever it was. Yes, she told this story that this man that is a regular there was staying for Christmas. So this was what
March the Christmas that just happened. She said that he was staying there. They usually give him his sweet or whatever, and they were overbooked because it was Christmas, so they gave him two twin beds, like a room that had two twin beds. And she said that in the middle of the night, someone crawled into the bed.
Into the bed that he forgot about this.
Oh, it's fresh up my mind, and so I was terrified of that. And she said that that was on whatever floor. You know, for some.
Reason, I do remember something about the sixth floor. The sixth floor was supposedly the haunted one. We weren't on the sixth floor, but then we went to investigate the sixth floor, like right right, and she even gave a room number, and I think we creepy crawled around it.
I think we did too, because she was also she dropped that story. And I also remember her being like, anyway, so breakfast is at seven am, and I'm like wait wait wait wait wait wait, checkout time is yeah.
Yeah.
So so then we decided to to, you know, do our little mystery miss What's what do Scooby doos.
Group mystery machine or mystery machine mischief?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we get into some mischief. I brought my EMF meter, I might have had a spirit box with me, you know, typical vacation accessories, and we kind of snooped around and we went to whatever that floor was.
Well, my thing is that, like I it's been a while because I do travel a bit a lot for work, and I stayed in a lot of different places in like Atlanta or New York, or Vancouver or San Francisco or like other places around and I you know, I've been in a lot of hotels. But it's rare that I've been in one that, even if it's old, it's usually completely redumb. But this actually had the old school like and it was nice. Let me tell you, I was expecting it to be a little bit seedier our bananas.
The hallways are super wide because modern hotels, you know, they want every bit of real estate, so they make, you know, the hallways narrow so the rooms can be bigger. But this had big gass rooms and a big gass hallway, big gass hallways, the full the shining hallway, shiner.
Two little twin girls, you and I everywhere you turn. We did bring twin girl costumes with us and we were holding hands at the end.
And it be wore them the whole time. For the elevator filled with blood. But like there were mirrors on the walls of the hotel, of the of the hallways. It was very cinematic.
Yeah, so the cheap price to stay there. I don't want people to think like, oh, it's because it's it's a crappy place. No, that's that's that's full on Orbit. It's not a sponsor of the show, but Orbits hooked us up with a great deal to a grass hotel.
Yeah, they did. And I loved my bad I loved my room. Everything was great. It was just like clearly an old school like whatever that place was. And again I don't remember it started as a hotel or started as kind of like you know, apartments, or if it started as offices, but whatever it was. The shape of my room was unusual. It's kind of l shaped with the bathroom and I was on the corner kind of
an and I loved it. And had these two enormous old school wooden door like crystal knob glass knob closets, which were I wish I had those in my house, let me tell you. But that's where we you whipped out the what is it called. Because I'm not a professional.
I pulled out an EMF meter to you know, check out the electronic the electromagnetic fields. And yeah, we were hovering that thing around and we weren't finding a whole lot going on what you.
Found in one of the closets in my place. It went off.
Do you remember that a little bit now? Of course, with stuff like that, it can it's kind of like orbs where it's like it can be misleading. There's a lot of different things that could be leading to spikes on an.
Em Could it be my astounding, dynamic, magnetic charismatic personality made it go off.
You have been called magnetic.
It could be, okay, just because I'm negative, But so.
We we we ended up going to whatever that floor was where it was supposed to be spooky, and we were hovering that thing around and we found this room that was locked. I mean listen, we were being almost like a.
Weird closety thing with a double door padlock thing, and the thing I remember the thing going off and we were like beep beep beep, beep beep beep, like because there was this like hot let's just face it. Security guard kind of like eventually kind of came up and like but he was young and hipstery like San Francisco security guard.
He was gonna be like hey, hey, hey guys.
Or whatever he said, and so he made a real smooth thing about kind of kicking us away from there.
Right, nothing was going off going off. Now, we don't know what was in that room. Maybe it was something that was transmitting you know, waves, I'm not really sure, but it also is the ghost room. I think it's where they keep the ghosts in the Padlockham. I'm not really sure we were.
We were like dddd all around the hotel for a minute and it wasn't un till we were around that room. Is that's when the security guard was like, oh, hey, hi, you know hy Dude's or whatever he said, And then we.
Asked him is this place haunted? And he was like, oh, I just started working here.
Yeah.
But I think that was his like catch all excuse, I think exactly.
But also on that trip, we went to the Winchester Mystery House, which is a classic classic California haunted location, and neither of us had ever been, right, you'd never been, no, I always wanted to go and that place, like I was really bummed because of course I would have made like a Patreon video, but they don't allow video or.
It's a very regimented. There's a gigantic gift shop which we took advantage of, and I amazing hat and mug I still wear all the time. And I also is another part of like thank god, I you know, spent five hundred dollars on a cap in a mug because I didn't go anywhere touristy for another year.
I know barely. Oh look at look at.
There it is there, it is.
Hey, if I could came out of my Winchester Mystery House coffee mugger.
Mine is just beyond reach, it's right over there in my kitchen.
That place was like the Disney store in the mall, but with only.
Uh, Winchester. It's a fool. I don't remember much it was and this is I know this isn't like a travelogue podcast, but I even there were many different tours you could take. We we took the basic one because they're basic bitches. Just the main house. You can do one with a garden and the outbuildings, and there was a cellar, but we were satisfied with just the main one. But like you you line up, a ticket is taken. Your putting, you know, it's I was, I'm sorry to jump.
The destination like they have it under control.
Yes, I thought it would be bigger, and I am, of course an obnoxious person who lived in a Winchester Mystery House and which was pretty big. This was of course bigger than the mill Meadow.
But how that you grew up in was how big again.
Twenty two rooms, but also had the aspect of having been added onto a lot. So there were like windows that looked into hallways, and there were all kinds of like steps up and down and around and rooms behind rooms and these like a staircase you don't expect there, and again not these were. It's the kind of house that like the rooms were small. It wasn't one of these grand you know, pre Civil war houses where that they had.
Like my marvel, because it's like whoa and it was. Anyone that doesn't know the story the the Winchester Mystery House, uh, I've talked about it on this podcast in the past. I'm sure you could find me talking about it. But based this woman, Sarah Winchester.
Her husband was her either her father or her husband was the person who was the you know, the heir or the creator of the Winchester Rifle fortune. And a spiritualist or medium told her that if she didn't keep building onto the house, all the dead spirits that were killed by their rifles would come and get her, and she believed them. So she never stopped building and adding on and putting staircases and buildings in Gota Ga Ga Ga until she died.
And people to this day report it being very haunted, and even our tour guide had ghost stories of oh, when you stand at this location, we've had this happen, and that happened, and people touched and they hear this and that.
And she was the bride of the guy, because otherwise, if she was the daughter she would they would have already had the money, she would know. So I think pretty sure she was the.
She was left a lot of money, and he.
Died yeah younger, she was young. Whatever happened. He died way before her, and she inherited all this stuff, but she, I guess, wasn't super comfortable with it.
One of my favorite paranormal TV shows, Ghost Brothers, they did an investigation there and really it went down. Yeah, it was really interesting.
I want to see that.
I recommend it to people. I thought it was really fun.
Yeah. Absolutely, But the thing is like the point was like that no ghosts would be there, So she built the thing to prevent ghosts from getting her spirits or whatever. So wouldn't there be no ghosts there until well, I guess after she died and they stopped building onto it, then the ghosts show up, the spirits show will take over. Is that their logic? I don't know.
Maybe maybe they have to keep selling, coming up with more products at the gift shop, or the ghost will take over. Yeah.
And they also had a giant miniature of the whole property, and maybe they have that to trick the ghosts into going into the miniature. Maybe the miniature's home like beetlejuice, like beetle juice. Yeah, exactly.
Now. One other thing I'll say about this is our tour guide did a fun thing where before he would tell story about uh about the building. He would get everyone together and say, stay with me, story story time to time, which I have stolen and I say constantly, and even even when Rocky my Bomberanian has to go to the bathroom, I say potty potty time time.
He also kept calling Sarah his spray. He's like my friend Sarah. It was very funny. I think he was.
Yeah, he was like, let me tell you about my friend Sarah.
I think he was an LGBTQ community like us, and I wanted to like kind of flirt with him at the end, but he kind of remember I would talk to him, he wasn't really having I thought he's gonna love us, but at the end of it, he was kind of like, uh huh, because I was kind of like, I have an extra question. He was like question answered and goodbye. I'm like, oh, I guess we're not dating after all. Okay.
He was super sweet. He was having a good time.
He was very sassy and very funny. He made it really fun and it was it's wild. Yeah, I do recommend that that whole experience.
I suppose we should talk about like a ghost story ghost story podcast. Okay, so a couple of stories that I know that you have that we haven't you haven't told on this show yet. Can we hear the one about your brother?
Well, the thing about that is yeah, yea yeah. The thing this is something that I only heard from my older sister Anne recently. Can I grew up in this old house called Mill Meadow, which we sold to just it's not in the family anymore. It has really good owners. Thank god. That's a whole I was just back in West Virginia to help my mom after her hip operation the first week of April, and so I drove past mill Meadow and it's like, it looks great and they're
doing a great job. Because when I lived there and then when I would turn where my parents live there, all the emotional stuff from a big very you know, dysfunctional family. Wait, you feel that more. You can't just tell what's that and what's the spirits? You know, and it's all pretty connected because my grandfather died there and it was just a lot.
So you did have somebody breathe on your neck. One.
Yeah, I've had a few little experiences. But the thing that I had told you that I haven't sell on the podcast yet is that my brother Michael, who still is back in that town. My sister Anne told him and I didn't hear this from his mouth because he's not really the long story and he's alive. It's just we haven't spoken in a while, but he used to experience a spirit of a woman who was this orange presence.
The color was orange. And Michael's always been He's had a lot of issues, but he's always apparently there's been more in tune with the other side than I was. And some of the other siblings, and my older sister Anne is too, She's the one when we moved out, she and her partner did a cleansing and all kinds of shit came flying out of there like it was just a profound and very wild experience. That place was filled with energies and spirits the whole place, but this
particular one was a female, a caretaking female spirit. He would experience in this one room. We would call it the green room. It's not it was only because the color was green. We would refer to as the green room, not to be confused with a theater, you know, or a nightclub green room or the guest room. And it would go from one of the middle bedroom through the hallway into that room, and my brother always got the sense that it was a female spirit who was there
to help take care of the children. And I don't know if that was a servant that used to be there or what there, or a mother that does or what this spirit was, but he always made him feel very safe and comforted. And my older sister, who also has more of a what's the word an affinity, a vibe, a talent for sensing, for extrasensory perception in a few ways, not like making things move or telling the future, but just like a real deep sensitivity to especially the earth,
into animals. But she she felt that like that was, you know, that this presence and my brother did helped take care of us as kids and made us less afraid and maybe protected us from these other spirits that had that. When Anne and her partner helped cleanse the house and purge the house after my mother moved out, but before the new couple took it over, a lot of that felt very dark, and a lot of it
was very intense. And you know, I always wonder how much of that stuff impacted us as kids, because you understand, my father, that house, it's separate from the farm that like that. I grew that. It's been in our family since the seventy forties. The mill Meadow had only been my father moved in he was a little kid, so he grew up there. I grew up there. But before that, for a while, it was a guest house, which I guess now you call it like a like a bed
and breakfast. So it was that for a while. And I have a book somewhere which like the entire history of the house, which was first the first the main part of it was first built in the seventeen nineties, so you know, who knows what kind of people passed through that that building when it was the guest house. You know, this is a key that I'm wearing around
my neck. I'm showing rows this key I have on a chain around my neck, which is a key that I took for Malmeta before we moved, which was a key to one of the bedrooms left over from the times of when it was like a bed and breakfast, a guest house.
WOA.
Now, when I was back there last week, there's another house, this old farmhouse that my grandfather was born in, that my brother is redoing up on our family farm, and that would be an interesting place. It's they It looks gorgeous now. It was kind of run down, but my brother's do an amazing job of restoring it and renovating it. And it's going to be the place where we go and stay because there's too many of us just to
stay at my mom's new house, which is small. So I'm curious, you know, I should when I go there this summer, I should probably you know, a little ghost check up there. Yeah, a lot of shit went down on that farm, you know. And then across the road where my cousins live now is the house that was and my cousin David, we ran into him when I was up there at this House. We call it the White House, not to be confused with the President's home,
but it's another old white house. And that White House was built, you know, in the like early eighteen hundreds. But the big house across the road, which has been in the family since the seventeen fifties, is that old. Parts of it are that old. So there's all kinds of fucking history there.
Or West Virginia is like hot bed for paranormal activity of all sorts. I mean, of course the moth Man is also West Virginia. There's multiple famous prisons that are haunted there as well.
Yeah. Yeah, and the State Mental Hospital in Weston that was a big it's not it's not the State Mental Hospital anymore, but like it was a big scary place.
I'm wait, is that the trans Alaghany Lunatic Asylum?
Yes? I think so? Is that if it's in weird to the town, not not weird to Weston. The town of Weston is growing up the shorthand for crazy house. And it's sorry to use that term, which I know isn't politically correct, but the looney bend short term back when I was growing up was Weston. Mama would say things like if that our habits to begin, Just take me down to Weston, Just drop me off at Weston, Like, take me to Weston was like, take me to the lone Ebnd.
You know what's crazy, Sam, That place is like one of the very like sought after paranormal places. Oh, my friend Katrina Widman from the TV show Portals to Hell and other TV shows, she was doing an investigation there and caught on camera. I believe this is when she was on one of the other TV shows, maybe Paranormal Lockdown. They captured and you can find a video on YouTube. Like what she calls it, like a creeper or a creepy crawler, like some kind of little creature that like
is something paranormal but completely unexplainable. Doesn't look like a human, like really.
Creepy, getting shivers? Why did you put that in my brain?
Take you to Weston? You know What's another one I was wondering about is I remember a couple months back, you went to the Biltmore Hotel and you came back and you told me that you had a possible paranormal experience.
You email me that, and I hate to say so, Yeah, I was having a little fling with a gentleman that came out to visit me last summer.
Well, Bill were was another famous paranormal location here in Las Angels. People say that, you know, it's one of the fifty places that the Black Dahlia was last seen. Yeah, and they say that they see her there among others.
I weirdly had never been in there, and so this was in August when this guy came out and we were we were just like it was a very you know, fun sexy week where we say it a couple different places, including the Builtmore for three nights, and I had never been there, weirdly, because there's so much shooting of so much filming that goes on there now and I just never had been in there. And it's just a giant, amazing place. It had just reopened in the summer. There
are very few people staying there. But for some reason we were like to get from the lobby, which is enormous to our rooms was like up and over and down and around and again the rooms are really nice. We got one that like looked inward to like, you know, as you get to see the other rooms because it's another one of those that shaped like an h or whatever. And or a you know, square with empty insides like
my brain. But so we weren't looking out. But yeah, I just remember there was like weird noises in the night in the bathroom, but some of that was like is it plumbing? Is it? And he and I were busy doing things, so like I it was just a you know, all the story of this story. So like there was a lot going on anyway, and it was a really intense time for me. But I can't think of anything right off the top that happened other than the weird sounds and everything.
I thought you told me. There was like a toilet seat situation.
Oh yeah, that's right. Oh yeah, the toilet seat. That's right. The toilet seat was up and down because he was like did you put it down? Did you put it up? Because oh that's it would just fall down. You would put it up because the we're two guys and so they're both up because of peeing heard of it. So it just it just like in the middle of the night, would fall down without any apparent That's what it was, without any apparent. You know. It wasn't like there was
anything else moved. It wasn't like there was a draft or a door opening. It would just crash in the middle of the night, and like, why dna of another time?
That to me? I mean, I don't know exactly what kind of toilet seat you're we're talking here, but most of the time, if you have it all the way up, it's not gonna.
Just fall just not randomly.
No, no, no, Like I've had a toilet seat that's like kind of like a cheaper plastic apartment one where if you don't put it up all the way like, it could eventually fall back there.
This was not like that. This was these old school like been there since god knows when, since the biltmore is old. Like when you flush it, it's like talk about the gates to hell. It's like, you know, like that kind of thing, this big old place. And I just remember it didn't do it any other time, but a couple of times in the middle of the night, and it just do you know, And maybe some of it's just in my mind, but it felt it felt deliberate and like gotcha, you know, just like something about
when that shit happens. It just felt weird.
Yeah, I'm calling that a ghost story.
Okay, sure, I mean I remember the guy I was with who were not really in communication anymore. He very much felt like, Oh, that's fucked up ghost shit.
Yeah, I'm counting at it. I wanted to read a story with you that somebody sent me. I will say, this is kind of like today's episode is, you know, a little bit looser than our usual. You know, we're we're telling stories, not one hundred percent ghost ghost to Jason's stories. Is kind of the theme of today ghost Adjason. But somebody sent me this story and I was like, this story is fucking terrifying. Oh great, but not necessarily ghosty. Maybe a little ghosty. I don't know, Okay, but I
just want to tell you the story. This came from Diane, a listener of the show. Shout out to Diane, Diane. Okay, so, Diane writes, So, my ex husband used to work as a skip tracer for Sears credit card. He had been trying to contact a customer who had stopped paying his bill to no avail. So he called that customer's neighbor to try to get information about the customer. Okay, the neighbor was practically hysterical when the ex called. She said
that her neighbor was crazy and really weird. He'd just gotten into a fight or something and chased his boyfriend naked down the street, and the cops didn't do anything about it. She said that she kept trying to tell the cops that there was something wrong with him, but they ignored her plea to arrest him. The customer, Jeffrey Dahmer, the product he'd stop paying for on his credit card, a refrigerator.
Holy shit, Diane, Wow.
I mean, we're not really a murder podcast here, but that's a that's just a scary story.
Oh, I got the shivers. Do you want to hear some EVPs, edie please?
Okay, it's done for EVP or ev please. You know how this works. I go to YouTube, I find Electronic Voice Phenomenal, and I'm gonna play you a couple and we're gonna guess what these ghosts are saying. What you hear? What the people that are posting it believe you know? Just tell me what you hear. This first one is from Curtis Paranormal on YouTube and it's at the trans Alleghany Luna tic Us. Oh and that's in western West Virginia.
Does it say western?
It does? Yeah?
Okay, good? It is the one I'm thinking of.
So, what does this say? It's a whispery.
I just heard.
That sounds like when they put that like vacuum thing in your mouth of the dentist. Yeah, okay, let me try again.
Do it again, Do it again, Do it again.
It's kind of it's like almost long.
It's like a two part dancing. I thought I heard I heard word dance.
You heard dancing? Yeah, I heard that too. What if it's what if it's Ted.
Dancing Dansen because Manson, you know, grew up in West Virginia and he was a jail there.
Okay, here's some options. Is it a don't say anything, b beyonces everything? Okay, see you don't say or Dosaki's drink responsibly? What happened to the Dosakis guy? I was just thinking about him? Most interesting man of the world. Is that who that was?
Yes? Maybe he died, Okay, I don't know. It was a fictional character.
All right, here's here, I'll play it again.
Okay, but I definitely don't say anything.
I think it's don't say anything.
Okay, Yeah, yeah, Oh that was creepy.
That's really here's one.
That's one of the ones I hear that sounds more like a human voice than a lot of them i've heard.
I know this one is from COO t. N Paranormal. It's at the Moundsville Penitentiary.
Oh yeah, it's Moundsville. Yeah, in the northern part of the state.
Yeah, exactly in West Virginia.
I've seen that. From the outside. It is grim and you know, so Industrial Revolution Stone American monolith, like it's so creepy and scary.
Well it's also haunted. So uh, tell me what this one you think says? Okay, this one like really fades low and it's like kind of quiet. It's a hard one, but we're gonna try again.
I heard Dennis vacuum.
I you're like, down, I didn't hear that. Well, I'll give you some options. I'll put one of these in your ear and see what you think. Is it A. I swallowed it, B, I swear. C let's talk, No, sorry.
Let's.
Let's walk. Or d less qualk. You know, like when they give you the gualk.
And you're like, oh, I wonder which one Rod's made up? I can't tell.
Oh, I made up three of them, so okay, which one is the real one? I just heard is let's walk. I can kind of hear it.
I think maybe just coming through your thing into my ears is the problem.
Tell me now, I know we're still in the studio. Okay, let's walk.
I didn't hear it, but I trust you.
I trust you, ev polease a little. All right, let's do one more thing. I like to just list off a bunch of unexplained phenomenal and I just want to kind of rapid fire. Have you tell me thoughts, you know, comments, what comes up for you? What do you believe in it? You know, any of that stuff. And maybe this will lead to something else. It doesn't have to necessarily be rapid fire. All right, here we go, Bigfoot, what do you think?
No, I think it's I think it's been debunked enough that it's not. I think we I just think the deforestation and then like the I just because the one in the suit that was already been proven that that was made up. And I don't have hopes about him or the luckiest monster they'll believe me. I want to believe. But what it raised on Bigfoot.
But them being paranormal, like what if they have the ability to vanish?
Well, that's true, I never thought of the cryptos there always being also a supernatural phenomenon.
Okay, fair enough, you know what I'm saying. Okay, what about psychics?
Yes, absolutely, I.
Don't know if we in this because you and I have we've.
You've sent me some of the worst psychics I've ever experienced, and I've had a slew of psychic greetings and almost nothing has been accurate except for some past life stuff where I don't know and I can do stand up
a psychics. I still believe that there are people out there who have the ability, and it's one of those things where you know some people have you know they're going to have you for an hour, five four minutes is accurate, and the rest is kind of them making up and being a little grifty about it.
Well, and that's the thing with psychics is like sometimes they're more accurate for you, and like I think that maybe the connection can be stronger with other people. It's just like almost like your internet or something. I don't know sometimes that the connection.
I had a friend. I have a friend who you know, who is someone who can afford to go to the latest, most expensive one, and this person went to one and it was all over the phone or maybe zoom because no, no, I think it was the phone, and this person, the psychic didn't know who this person was, even though this is a person who is in the land of famous, but they so I think it was on the phone. It was on the phone and fake name, fake name,
so couldn't google. And it was a mind like, really crazy what this person just knew about their life in terms of the family, the background of this, and that you feel this because of that. That was all accurate, but it was all to say, you know, what does that do? Really? It just confirms this person knows this stuff about you. But like I, what it doesn't do necessarily is say, here's what's going to happen in a month,
here's you know. No, when I think anyone legit, because a free will is anyone LEGiT's not going to say you're going to meet that man, that special person woman man on you know, July twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, you know, and it's not in my price range, no exactly.
But you know what's funny is I actually on Patreon, I did a video like a month or so ago where already things in it have gone wrong, all right, some more unexplained phenomena. Are crocs back.
That I I hate to tell you, yes, And but also for some people I found out for they've never went away. I know some guys in their twenties, a guy or two in their twenties who have been wearing them since there were kids, and they've never let them go.
Yeah.
And I saw this pair because I was showing my friend I'm talking about one of them. I was like, look, put on my crocs that used been gardening. I've had these since two thousand and five. Because those those boogers do not give up. They are You have to melt them. You would have to walk through a combine thrusher and get your feet hacked up in them to destroy them.
What about demonic possession? Is that right?
They are also back. They're back better than ever, and they're not going anywhere. What about demonic possessions? I listened to a really good podcast called You're Wrong About That I Love, and they did a deep dive on demonic possessions and how much of that is is mental illness in cultures and places that don't that would not have whatever take someone to a psychiatrist or a counselor to be like, oh, that's schizophrenia, that's you know, manic behavior.
There might be drugs involved that people are aren't saying, you know, like.
When especially in past generations, you know, when there really was some conversations.
Completely all those different things. So I learned a whole and that was just recently I listened to it. So I learned a whole lot about that and about how the Catholic Church dealt with it, and like and there are, like anything, a couple of cases where you're like, wow, this seems like something was really up. I don't know what, but.
And that's what we're here to talk about. I mean, that's the stuff that keeps this whole party going.
You know, like think of a church, think of a like a very like they're called like the charismatic churches where people speak at tongues and dance around and sing and shout and get so worked up into a tizzy, into a frenzy, a legit frenzy because of their own issues, or just the crowd that the what's it called the
mass hysteria, the mob sort of thing. And if it's just it's like one person, you know, I know, I can work myself up into it being a you know, just ranting and raving and screaming if I wanted to, Like, I am definitely capable of that. I don't have that thing called racing thoughts where you like you can't. I can control my thoughts. I can stop and be like, pull your shit together if I'm sober. But some people
can't because they're not. Their brain chemistry doesn't work that way, so, you know, and a lot of it was kind of like, you know, who's getting the attention and is that what this is all about? But then there are some cases where you know, truly, let the f what happened? And unexplained?
Okay, last unexplained phenomena. Why am I not famous?
I almost said a mean, really good joke, but I didn't say it. First of all, you are. Second of all, you're like fourteen years old, so cool it. You have to really bucking put that work in. Honey, am I not famous? I'm five hundred years old. I've been here since seventeen ninety three. You tell me.
Okay, I'm just trying to figure that one out. Sam. That's about it for now. Thanks for doing this again. You're well, we need to go on more ghost adventures when it's time.
To plot out again. I went to the Madonna and a couple of weeks ago, and like, we didn't do any ghost hunting, me and my gentleman friend. But like, yeah, you and I have to go someplace and not stay the night and do some ghost hunting. I mean, I don't want to be in the place like that time you were that place and you left the middle of the night. I'm not up for that. I'm not going to leave the room.
Yeah, I don't want to do that over again. The only reason I'm the only way I'll do that is if the person I'm with will stay up all night.
No, I won't do that either an eight hours. If I don't have eight hours, i'd have real bastard.
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