Laci Mosley Follows the Feeling

What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky and yooky. I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

Wait a minute, he I ghosted.

I gos nandas Pllease hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people I like about all things that go bump in the night. And this episode is Bump and' honey. I am joined by one of my favorite podcasters, Lacey Moseley, also known as the Scam Goddess, and she is constantly on television. You might see her on Lopez Versus Lopez or I don't know, I Carly. She's all over the place and she's hilarious too, and she's got some pretty

I am doing all right? I'm gonna give you my best ras. I was telling you before we started the podcast. I went to a premiere last night and we got lit. It was me and my manager, my sister and one of my best friends and we had a time.

What was the premiere.

It's this movie I did it with Netflix called The Outlaws.

Oo's Madison, like Adam Sandler's Company, and like it's very fun. It's like Pierce Bras and Ellen Barkin and Adam Devine and a little Rell and like it's it's so much fun. Lauren Lapkins like we had we had a good time. So I watched it in theaters and it was the first premiere that I've actually been able to make because I usually am working and then I get there late and they're like pulling away the step and repeat, and I'm like, can I get a picture with my mom?

Just one?

Yeah? Yeah, we gonna put our flash on. Don't worry, Maddie, we got movies star.

Oh goodness, it was fun. It was really it was life affirming, So you know that was great. I'm a little hungover, but I think it's gonna work in our favor.

You know what. I don't drink anymore, but like, if I'm like tired or whatever, I can get the EQUI Linda hungover without drinking.

I'm gonna stop. I think it's time for me to hang it up. I turned thirty and my body was like, we don't what is this?

But I think that sometimes, like those next days, that's when I do my best work sometimes because I don't care. The giving a fuck is like lowered, which.

On the opposite, I start giving more folks.

Really, yes, I'm like, were you weird?

What happened? I'm like, no, I can't drink like I used to.

Were you doing jello shots off of Pierce Brosnan?

Should have been?

He's so beautiful, so sexy, beautiful, uh wow, and so tall like a tree.

Really, I didn't even I never thought about that.

Oh, he's tall as hell.

Well, okay, this like hungover state of mind. I think that it also is something that can open people to the spirit world. I really do.

I was gonna say that I do feel more connected when you're like, I don't know. There's something kind of like ethereal about it. When you let go in you you know, you drink a little poison and you're like, whoa, Like you know, you don't feel like on a poison. It's giving me like a steck guy, it's giving me like we were going back.

We're always focused on so many stupid little things in our life all the time. And then when you're like, I don't know, I think if you're sick, I mean definitely, I think when you're drunk, But if you're like sick or you're like kind of like over it today, like you're not focused on all the little things like how do I look? Am I gonna be late to this? SA like I don't know whatever. That's why kids see

Because I feel like, especially with black people, we always like Oh, she been here before. Like when we see kids who like exhibit traits of like adults or like older people, We're like, oh, they've been here before. That's what we always say. So I definitely agree with that.

So do you truly believe in not like the reincarnation past life? I do.

I just hope I do good enough in life that I don't come as like a roach, you know, like like I want to come back as like a killer whale or it's dolphin. I think I could do well in the water, you know.

Yeah, but what if you ended up at SeaWorld honestly food on demand, captive audience, but you're also in captivity.

Okay, in captivity. But as a millennial, I'm used to that. Like we don't own houses, we have smaller apartments. I could live in an apartment that would be sea.

World, you know.

And I love performing on my ham so y'all thought them fishes at me. I'm gonna get up here and do the free Willie on y'all. I got you, Okay, what time for the shows three and seven?

I'll be there.

Okay, where are you gonna pay me in some salmon?

Listen, y'all go feed it to my mouth. As long as I'm.

Nice, I don't even have to catch it. It's already dad, Right, are you kidding?

I know, I know it's bad. I know I'd be like, oh, animals in captivity bad bat.

I know that I'm from Texas, so I've been to Sea World, you know, the splash zone, which why you ever want to sit in the splashed on the Sea World so you could get pea.

Water thrown on you.

But it was like a thing that people want it. Oh god, yeah, no, But I would get in there and I would be cute.

I would give them a show. It was like a Vegas residency, but for my whole life.

Oh my god. Wow, Lacey, tell me about your experiences with the paranormal. Are you pretty open to the idea of all of this stuff broadly speaking?

Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty open to everything. I've learned that like being open to things can keep you safe.

You know.

I do a podcast about scams, and a lot of people think, like with true crime, especially like, oh I watched the True Crimes and I now I know not to help somebody in the grocery store parking lot, or I'm not going to put a couch in somebody's van or whatever.

Like you think of keeping yourself safe by.

Learning all these rules, when really it's like once you accept that anything and everything can happen to you, which is terrifying and anxiety inducing, it actually keeps you safer. I really believe that, like anything and everything can exist. And also I'm a gamb so I don't know what's

It is, That's how I am. I do it like Rue Paul, I'm like May the best woman when yeah, but for deities, yes, whichever one wants me the most, love it.

I just believe in like energy and universal pools. And also that I mean, like when I was a kid, I grew up in Texas. I was born in Tarot, Texas, which is like a more rural part. It's me and Jamie Fox.

Tarot Tarot, not Tarot Oh like Tarot cart.

I was born in Tarot card Texas.

I don't know.

Listen, Ross, you don't know yet, but yeah, no Tarot Texas. And the notables from Tarot Texas are me and Jamie Fox. And I was so excited to find out that I was on the Tarot Texas Wikipedia.

Oh my god.

But I was born on land that was stolen from my family.

My grandmother was a sharecropper and my great grandmother like slavery, like we know exactly where we are tied to it. But we also grew up on native land, like this big long hill that all of my aunts and uncles all live on, and so when I would visit or go for holiday or whatever, it's just like you just go up and down this hill and everybody has a specialty like Bobby Jean makes great dessert or you know, like it's like Empony Joe or her mac and cheese

An Indian burial ground.

So we've always believed in like the spirits of people who were here before us, especially with my grandma. My grandma and I used to like sneak off and I think my grandma was a gorophobic and I just didn't know it. We like barely left the house when we watched Young and the Restless Guide in Life and you know.

All the soaps.

And when she passed, I remember there's one thing we used to always do together, which is like we would get scratch off lottery tickets. We would take the car out, which we weren't supposed to do, I guess, but my grandma aways told me not to tell my grandpa.

So to this day, like if things feel.

Weird or if I feel sad or whatever, I'll go buy a bunch of scratch off lottery tickets and like depending on if I win or if I lose, Like I feel like I'm like hanging out with my grandma.

I feel like she's there.

Oh it's like my ritual. I well scam thout because I had an addiction to scratch offs at one point. I mean, I've been addicted to everything, but I had a moment where, honey, my fingernails always had that little gray stuff, oh that little black yeah, like that metal. Oh my god, the first time I ever did it. I want one hundred dollars and then after that, I just chased it and chased it and chased it and never won again that high. That high.

Sometimes I lose, and I always try to interpret it like when I need a win, I always win. And I remember those one New Year's during the height of COVID where I couldn't go anywhere because I was working and I couldn't risk it in COVID and shutting my set down. So I stayed home for New Year's and I remember, like, I'm in La so you know, they're doing them illegal fireworks and shit, and I was like out on my balcony looking my neighbors were out on

That's totally it. Yeah, I think that's beautiful, this little connection like it is.

I hope that we linger. I just hope that no one's watching me masturbate or like get drunk like I was last night. Like, I hope they're only there for the highlights. You can't be there when I'm like winking it.

Right, because if we meet each other again, you know, like that's gonna be so awkward, right, We're gonna be like, oh my god, I missed you. You give them a hug, They're like, get your hands off of me. We've seen so many things I know where they've been. Wow. I think that's so beautiful. I love stories like that with

Yeah, when you're dead, you're not necessarily fully healed, so some ghosts neat therapy still and others, like my grandmother was like ready to die. She was always talking about dying, to the point where it probably gave me a complex. But you know, she was always planning her funeral and I want you to sing at my funeral and all this stuff. And I remember at my grandmother's funeral, I was too emotionally raped to say anything, like I was frozen.

Like what the fuck?

Oh?

Oh my god.

She was like some of y'all like unlike Leotis, y'all, whatnot about community and surfaces? Look, and I'm like, lischen, you was trying to get your real housewives moment and my grandfather's funeral and we're gonna have to fight you. We're going to have to fight you.

Oh my god, that's disrespectful.

I was grown, so it was like, we will fight you. But we got up and we spoke and we eulogized him the way that we saw a fit. But also this was like in such a small like Horse and Buggy Town, and the funeral homes out there are run by families and like you'll see that around, but like in East Texas especially so by families. I mean like when it was time to view my grandfather's body, there was an eight year old he couldn't have been more than eight to nine years old in a suit next

What are you doing here?

Child? Oh my god?

He in a family business, Like.

Good for her, He's gonna be running that town one day.

I'm sure literally truly, but yeah, it's it's it's an interesting thing. My grandfather was different because my grandmother, she had been ready to die. She was like, I'm ready to go, like what's on the other side chat because this very ghetto over here in life. But my grandfather was pissed. He did want to die, and it weirded me out because people always want to be like, oh, you know, he's in a better place and da da da da, And I was like not to him. It

God, it's so strange, like especially with social media. During the pandemic, I deleted my personal Facebook, but I still had one, and I just wanted to like go back as far like to two thousand and seven and just see like my wall and stuff and all these people I used to hang out with. And I was like, let me just like see what everyone's up to, and so many of them I saw, I click on their page and it's like, we miss you. It's been five

The Yeah I did too, Like I've commented on people's walls and they're not here anymore, but I feel like they'll see it.

Oh yeah, totally.

You know.

I feel like Mark Zuckenberger, he got Facebook up into clouds.

Yeah, I'm sure that's what the cloud is.

Right, that's where all of our loved ones are who are seeing all of our uploaded nudes.

Again, we don't know, but it's possible that you pass and then you're like, I'm not ready to go, and then you get wherever it is and you're like, oh, never mind, this is great. Like so, who knows? Have you ever been to like a psychic medium?

How that go?

I love stuff like that because I do believe in like intuition, and if anything, psychics can read energy. I think because it is such a job where you have to like interface with so many different people and I personally don't like that. I'm probably gonna have a full on panic attack later today because I saw so many people last night and talked to so many people, and that gives me anxiety. But psychics like can take on that, like not take on the energy, but like feel it

We don't need a third party, I know.

And I feel like whenever I do go to like a medium, it's it's never the people I want to talk to.

It's like it's because of Craig, the one you hate. I don't want to talk to him.

Yeah, they like open up the chat line, anybody that wants to like come into the chat room. It's like, where's the people I want? Like they're all busy. I guess they're probably not talking to me because some of the things they saw me do in the privacy of my own home.

They're like this yr from third grade. I don't want to talk to them.

Yeah seriously, Well, since I am talking to the scam goddess, I feel like, I mean, I definitely also believe in psychics, and I'm a huge fan of psychics, but you could definitely scam as a psychic for sure. And for hundreds of years people have been scamming as psychics. I mean,

But is it fake if you walk away feeling good about it? See that's the thing though, for me, that's the definition of a scam is like one part walks away feeling cheated, then it was probably a scam. And that can work in love. I can work in finances, they can work in business, like it can work anywhere. So I'm like, if I go to a psychic and they're like your grandma says she's proud of you, and that makes my day or like makes life living easier,

They run around the church. And it took me a while, but when I grew up, I was like, oh.

All that running around and shitshall was doing like you were having emotional breakthroughs, because like this is how you express your feelings and like get through shit that's happening in your life as long as you feel good about it.

I'm like, it does sound good to me.

It works for me. There's times I'll go to a psychic and they're like, something good's gonna happen next week and I'm excited for next week. Next week comes and nothing happened. But at least it got me through that week.

You had breath in your body rise. So something good it been that we call me now?

Oh my god, I love miss Cleo.

I do too.

So let me tell you a story. This is actually a famous one. Ooh, it's the story of the Fox Sisters. Do you know about them?

I think I just profiled them.

Are you serious?

Are they the ones who do the clicks?

Son up a bit. I was sitting here like Lacey has had to have done the Fox Sisters before.

I recently did those, So this is exciting.

Guess when did this? When did it already come out?

It hasn't come out yet. We begged pretty far ahead, but I recently did it.

Now this is some psychic shit right here. Yes, because I googled scam goddess Fox Sisters, I went to the podcast apps. Nothing came up.

I recently did it. Yes, don't look like that.

Well, let's talk about it anyway. Yes, this is so funny. Okay, So this is the famous Fox Sisters. And I got most of this info from a Smithsonian magazine article titled The Fox Sisters and The Rap on Spiritualism by Karen Abbott in twenty twelve. So this story took place in Hydesville, New York, March of eighteen forty eight. There's fourteen year old Maggie eleven year old Kate. They go over to their neighbor's house one day and they're like, girl, you

Hundreds, you can lie about anything. Back then, there was no Google. You could do it every wanted.

That's true. I'm sure their neighbors like, oh, is this like the time you said Charles Dickens wrote a book about you.

Here you go again, Oh, Charles, Yeah, no, I love that. I wish like if I had to be born in the past, because people always want to be like, oh, where would you travel to it? I'm black.

I want to go to the future where hopefully things get better but if I did go to the past, it would be a time when there was no computer, so I could just straight up a lot of people about everything like oh, oh.

My god, who go check me boo?

Who?

Well? I keep saying that about some of these more historic paranormal incidents where it's like some of that had to play into this, like the fact that there wasn't as much googling and debunking and people just told some ghost story about their haunted house and then we were like, okay, I guess so.

Right, And it was entertaining at the very least, like y'all don't have TV, y'alla have radio. Like it's like, yeah, let's go over to a seas it's cute, like on a Friday night exactly.

So these girls they invite the neighbor over. They're like, we're gonna show you what we're talking about, and so they join their mom. They demonstrate. The mom's like count to five, and then all of a sudden, they hear five thuds and then she's like, Okay, how old is

If you a ghost, do slad so the right. If you're wit, do one hot to this time?

Two thuds this time.

Yes.

So the mom is now scared. She's like, you two girls, get out of here. She sends them to live with their sister, Leah and up state New York. And then the mom leaves the house and.

The sister Leah she was giving Christian or energy. She was like, yes, there's something here.

She's like, okay, we've got we've got a product that we could start selling here. Well, there was a rumor that was going around that there was somebody that was peddling some goods that was murdered in the house five years earlier. Some locals went over to the house. They found hair and bone fragments in the basement. So this story it's starting to people are, well, who hear about these new girls. There's there's these two girls that are

Back then, it's just like hair and bone fragments in your basement, Like y'all not looking into like who's hair or bone frag y'all don't.

They didn't have, you know, DNA and all of that at the time. They're just like, Okay, I guess this goes along with the story. Great got out.

Go down to the basic of some wash rays. They right next to them hair and bones.

Like, yeah, I don't know what you do with that hair. You put it in like one of those just leave it.

You just leave it in your house. You don't put it outside and bury it nothing.

Just so, then there's this couple, Isaac and Amy Post. They're interested in the girls. Now they had recently lost a daughter. The girls communicate with the Post daughter, and then this couple post daughter the Posts. The Post couple like post life, No Isaac and Aby Post.

Okay, yeah, so the Post's daughter. Okay, got it, I'm with you.

So this couple ended up renting out a huge hole for these these girls just because they're like, everybody needs to come see their thumbs. Their thumbs, their thumbs. Yeah, because everything's thumping and thudding, and so four hundred people come out to see the girls, and afterwards were inspected by skeptics who found no proof that it was a hoax.

Haters, skeptics, please get out of here. Haters.

I'm sure they were like given each other high fives, like as soon as it was over, they're like, yes, whatever, we haven't gotten to the part if this is a scam or not. So then there's this psychic type man who was starting a religious movement called Spiritualism, which still exists today. Involves a lot of communicating with the dad. And his name was Andrew Jackson Davis.

Oh another last name?

Okay, yes, because of course there was already an Andrew Jackson in SAG, so he had to go by Andrew Jackson Davis.

Right.

Have you seen a picture of Andrew Jackson Davis?

I have not. Wow, he looks like a Disney character, like a Disney prince.

First of all, I didn't know that men had that hairstyle in the eighteen hundreds. It's very early two thousand's.

Jimmy Nowshean is given got a blast.

Yes, like it's that Jimmy Newtron Ryan Sakraft Like they able to call him a metrosexual in the early two thousands, like it was that kind of flat iron like, I don't know what he likes to get.

His nails done. He watches it between his crack.

Yeah, metro sexual, yes exactly. Can you believe it? A straight man that isn't letting his life go to shit?

Right?

Honestly, this picture, like it looks like he has highlights. I think he is fine.

He looks like he smells good. And you know, at that time, didn't nobody they wasn't really bathing like that.

So no, no, no, But Andrew Jackson Davis is fine. I don't like that kind of beard, that like Amish beard thing, but he just looks cute.

It's very like Abraham Lincoln chin Strap. Yeah, situation like if Abe had trimmed his Yeah, it's very much chin Strap.

I don't know.

I'm not against it.

Also, though I know that this is a gender bias, but I just don't think that sis heterosexual man can speak with the dead.

I assumed he was a tro sexual. I don't know much about his.

Is he on our team?

I'm not sure?

Is he gay?

I'm not sure, but you know he's put together real nice here he.

Is, Yeah, he might be.

He is given like he works out Jim body like, for sure, well, otter situation.

Yeah, No, he might.

He might be playing different, he might be moving different. So maybe maybe he can't speak to the dead.

But I just like, I don't know. They don't teach sis.

Hepman enough empathy for me to think that they can reach out to the spiritual world. They're barely getting by on this planet.

So yeah, I don't know. Maybe it was in the eighteen hundreds he had a whole circuit party on the other side talking to these spirits.

It's like I had an orgy with your grandma. She says, she misses you.

So he had predicted something a year before these girls started getting traction, and he said, quote the spirits commune with one another while one is in the body and the other is in the higher spheres, all the world will hail with delight the ushering in of that era when the interiors of men will be opened and the spiritual communication will be established. So that's what he said, And then like a year later they start happening and he's like, oh, my fucking god, I'm a psychic.

He's like, I'm Nostradamis.

Yeah, he's like, I totally am a psychic after all. So he's all excited about them. He invites them to his home in New York City Hell's kitchen, I don't know. And soon after the girls they have hit the road. They start touring and they are selling out places. I mean, they were a hot act at the time. And actually one publication in New York wrote, quote, behold the Spiritual Knockers of Rochester, which is what I say every time

Oh that's money, yes, a dollar back in that day a ticket. Okay, this was like renaissance exactly.

And I'm sure people were posting, like since they didn't have social media, they're probably posting up, you know, writing a piece of paper somewhere and posting it somewhere.

Right, they were doing real fast drawings at the cuss.

Yeah, Like, I got one free ticket tonight to the Fox sisters. Like who's they're probably scalping?

Yeah, there's definitely someone else. I like, I got them tickets. I got them Fox tickets, Yes.

To see these two teenage girls. So as you were saying, Leah, their older sister was their almost mamager situation. So Maggie ends up marrying a man named Alisha with a E. He was Catholic, and he convinced her to denounce the whole spirituality thing.

See that's why I said.

Yeah, he died and then she unfortunately became an alcoholic, and that was kind of her story as this. As this goes along, I have jumped way forward, by the way, then Kate, she ends up eventually marrying a devout spiritualist and she starts working on her other medium abilities. She is communicating two messages simultaneously. She's writing one while speaking

Yeah.

She was like the Oprah of ghosts. She was like, totally get a haunting. You get a haunting exactly.

Yes.

So business is booming for her, and especially after the Civil War. Again, this whole situation with apparently in the eighteen eighties, it's estimated that eight million people converted you spiritualism in the US and Europe. Wow, And it became a lot for her Kate, and she begins drinking too, because she's just like booked and busy, and there's spirit is talking to her all the time, and she just

She did what those magicians did, like remember that show, though it would be like magician secrets revealed, Yes, the guy with the mask because he knew he was ashamed to the community. You're not supposed to be out here giving up the tricks totally. That's a covenant. She came out, gave up the tricks for I think what fifteen hundred dollars in that time was like fifty k in our money.

Holy shit.

Yeah, So she gave it up for like a quick fifty k and our money, and I think regretted it eventually.

Yeah. Well, the spiritualists were pissed obviously, And a year later she's like, okay, like I'm sure that fifteen hundred dollars dried up. And she's like, you, guys, I didn't mean to do like I'm sorry, like I actually am like a psychic. And they were like girl, buy, like we're done with you.

It was like I'm the problem. It's me.

Yes, hey, guys exactly. So she went on to expose some other tricks, using your toes to write messages from ghosts on the cards, which if you can do that, I mean, that's pretty that's a talent. That's something. I mean, maybe it's not a ghost, but it's impressive. Like have you ever see one of those people on like America's Got Talent or something where they shoot a bow and arrow with their feet? Yes, that's I'd pay to watch that.

I saw a woman light a cigarette with her foot and then put her foot over her head and smoked it. That was back when the circus was wild, Like what am I doing here? I'm seven, Like that's impressive, But also I was like, I want to smoke with my foot.

So basically, they're all dead by nineteen oh four, and there's some kids that are living in that original house and there's a skeleton that is found in the house.

Why everybody got skeletes in a house, y'all? Y'all supposed to take the dad outside and put them away in the dirt. Why is there men just like, well, leave them down there next to the washrags.

But this is that same original house. So it's making people go, oh my god, maybe this peddler's story is real. Maybe there actually was somebody that was murdered there, and maybe they were actually psychics the whole time. But it ended up not being real. Apparently under further investigation, it was made out of old chicken bones, and it was rumored that some local practical joker had put it there at some point.

I love a troll.

Also, I will say that the community around the Fox Sisters. I found very interesting because there were a lot of copycats, like you know, as soon as you do something, you do your big one.

Here comes Sheen. So there were the she and psychics totally.

So when Homegirl came out and denounced the whole situation, is said that it was fake. There was a lot of backlash against her because people had set up their own industry copycattingness and they're, no, you fucking.

Up our bag, what are you talking about? This is definitely real.

So it's like even though she was, I think telling the truth about the knocks and the toe cracking and like, also what was going on with ch'all was like vitamin D during that time. Why you're tost cracking like that? What's going on? Is it ligaments? Like y'all need to get y'all work out tenders out?

Yeah, especially so young. I mean, right, I do notice like weird cracks in my knees and hips sometimes, but not when I was fourteen.

Right, I wasn't getting up. I didn't have to take a deep breath before I got out of a chair at fourteen.

Like a lot of people were convinced that they actually had abilities. And I do think it's something that you can work on. I always said it's like singing. I think everybody, for the most part, unless you know extraordinary unfortunate circumstances or whatever, everyone can make a tone from their voice. Some people are born just amazing at it. Some people you have to take lessons whatever. I think that we're all psychic in a sense, and you can

I also feel like when you do something that like maybe they were passionate about it. Maybe it was something that was fun for them in the beginning, like what you said, Roz, and then when it becomes profitable, when it becomes a machine, it loses a bit of its heart and it's hard to like connect with it. You're doing three shows a day, Babes, you talking to Casper that much all day on the main line, Like, yeah, you're gonna start to get fatigued.

I love acting, I love performing.

I love what I do, but I do it now at a scale where it is for money in a way that is sometimes absolutely so sucking and it's weird to be like, I love this so much, but also it's killing me. So I could get like starting something for fun and running over to your neighbor's house and

Like even in.

Religious you know, it's like walk by faith, not by sight. They're telling you not to believe what you see. Like that's not good. But like I feel like we all have little hairs that stand up, or we all have little weird feelings, and a lot of times we will put that feeling away, like rely on what we see, and I think you have to rely on both. So if you don't feel right, walk away. There was a time I remember this woman came up to me on campus when I was going to pimp, and she was like,

Too many steps, way too long of a story.

But something in my spirit was just like, I said, I didn't have cash, and she was like, well, there's an ATM right there, and something in my spirit was like, let's just go to this ATM. I don't have a lot of money, but I'll give you twenty bucks. And for me, as a college student, that was a lot

Yeah, you gotta listen to it. I'm all about that intuition. Whatever. If you're feeling weird, listen to yourself.

Leave trust yourself. We're taught so often not to trust ourselves, especially in this country. We're taught that everything that we want and that we need is manufactured by someone else. It's the reason that I don't like sign up for email lists for stores or things like that. And if I do want to diskind of have a like spam email y'all, get y'all a hot mail, Yahoo, AOL, honey, and send all the spam there, because like, people will try to convince you of what you need in life.

I don't feel like it's fine.

Internally, my nervous system is telling me something different, but I'm gonna ignore that because of what we've cultivated. So I think that, like spirituality, especially like in discernment, I feel like that's my ancestors guiding.

Me well in so much of it too. That insecurity, I think goes along with people pleasing. Yeah, sometimes people are too afraid to say yes or no or whatever, even if their intuition is like I shouldn't be doing this whatever. And that's what I've really worked on as I've gotten older. I'm like, if I'm feeling weird, like I'm going to do whatever I can to just get out of this.

I'm on the same phage with you. I think therapists can also be kind of psychic.

Oh, I'm sure, like if you have a good one.

And so that's something I've been working on in therapy for three years.

Is like not being codependent, not feeling like if I don't perform for people that they won't love me if I don't perform, you know, like giving you money or like going out of my way, breaking my boundaries, doing things that I don't want to do because I want to make you happy. Like I always thought that was like a virtuous trait, and then I realized it's still a form of selfishness. You're trying to control situations by pleasing people people so that you feel safe, and where

You'll still be there on the other side totally. One more thing I was gonna say about the Fox sisters, they probably were also dealing with an actual form of actual impostor syndrome, Like they were probably like shit, we made all this up, but we don't want to say anything for a long time, right, And I can't imagine what that would.

Be like, especially in that time, because like, it's bad for women now, but back then it was even worse. And there were men who would show up to their shows and harass them. There were men who tried to kidnap them. They were like, oh, these bitches getting a dollar ticket. These are women? Yeah, well whaddagan things?

Women can't have things. We set it up that way.

So like they were dealing with the patriarchal aspect of it as well, So the imposter syndrome of like knowing you clicking yo vitamin D deficient as toes and there's men after you, Like I'm sure.

That was a lie.

Yes, I think they're icons.

I do too.

I love the Fox Sisters. Okay, you want to hear some ghost voices? Okay, yeah, it's time for EVP or ev plice. Have you ever heard of an EVP?

No?

What's that?

Okay? EVP stands for Electronic voice phenomenal, So basically, it's anytime somebody believes that they have captured a ghost speaking. It could be they're just videoing something and they hear a little whisper or whatever it is. It's believed it's a ghost. You hear it a lot on ghost hunting TV shows. And what I do is I go to TikTok and YouTube. I got two of them for you.

I'm like nervous.

Yeah, it can be spooky, that's for sure. So this first voice, okay, I found on TikTok somebody name at Joshua Savelle and it's at Fort Gaines in Dauphin Island, Alabama. What is this ghost saying? Okay, we're hearing some other noises.

Yeah, let me get it one more time.

It's like no, no, no, no, oh no, I want to go home.

Put it in my hole.

Put it in my hole.

That ghosts could be horny. Ghosts could be horny too. Okay, I'm no Casper up there fucking like he was friendly as heale, Like, Lacey, do ghosts have holes? That's what I heard.

They're all whole.

Yes, put it in my hole.

Please, you hear it. You hear it, So that's not what they thought it's said. What do they think it's one of these options? Is it a act like you're all that. Oh maybe it's like giving you a pep talk empowering. Yeah, B don't get me upset. That's scary.

Yeah, I didn't hear that.

I heard whole Is it C I don't want my wall wet. I don't know what that could be about. Or D who's your favorite bald Win maybe like the Baldwin family, you know, Oh that would be Hilaria. Oh my god, you've talked about Hilaria Baldwin on skim Listen.

She's fun.

Okay, So which one of these I'm gonna play it again? Which one do you think they thought it was?

I think they thought it was I don't want my wal wet.

Yeah, that's what they thought it was. I don't want my wal wet, which I'm sure could be viewed as dirty in some way.

I want my walt. I need to stop, okay, see, I need help.

I mean it's interesting because like you can't really there's like slaps and stuff happening over top, so you can't really make out what it is, but it does sound like a voice.

It sounds like.

Words, Yeah, you're just filming on your phone or whatever device, and yeah, you're moving around whatever. And then you listen back and you hear that and no one was talking. That's spooky. Okay, here's another one. This is from shadow Hunter's UK TV.

Ooh, can I also say before you play it, what if it wasn't in English?

Like I think we assume ghosts in our country are speaking our language, but what if they're not.

That's true. Yeah, and I've seen some that are in other languages for sure. I mean, this kind of a thing can happen to any kind of ghost. But I don't know. I guess since my settings are in English, I only get ones that are English.

Here's settings.

Yes, okay, So shadow Hunter's UKTV on YouTube they went to an abandoned care home of some sort and they found a voice saying this. Ooh, that one's more whispery.

Yeah that was scarier.

I'll play it again.

That ghost is fucking I'm sorry, I'm going sound so morning like the ghost was like.

Oh god, yeah, what is happening there? Kind of cinemax ghosts come on out.

Yeah, that that's kind of hot. I'm not gonna lie.

It's kind of high. Ah so scary.

Well what do you think? Do you have a guest?

I heard? Oh god, that's what I heard. Oh god, oh god, Yeah that's what I heard.

Okay, not not what shadow Hunters uk TV thought. Did they think it was a oh crap, b ah look out? See oh go out? Or d you want some cloud? Okay, let's play it again, Ah go out? Yeah they thought it was all go out, So I guess they believe it was referring to their group of people that were in their ghost hunting or whatever. And the ghost was like, all go out. I'm horny and I need them alone time, so go.

Ghosts don't want you to watch them masturbate, just like we don't want ghosts to watch us masturbate.

Like get out.

You know, I can't say I've ever heard a story of somebody walking in on a ghost doing that, which is strange.

Right, That's why she was like, oh go out, y'all get out of here.

Yeah, they must really not want people to see that. That's so interesting. I hear stories of ghosts doing everything. I never hear stories of ghosts going to the bathroom doing that dirty act that you've described. Wow, I've never heard about that, but it's got to be out there.

It's interesting to me too, like the places you're finding these things, like these boyeurs who are going in these paranormal spaces, because that could not be me, Like, I am not fucking with I go to Sinespi, I watch a movie with Day of People.

I watch Me and Girls with the Day Girls.

You know, oh, Hollywood Forever Cemetery.

Yeah, last summer. Like, I'll go watch a movie with the Day of People. But I'm not going in no haunted houses. I'm not doing none of that show. I'm not visiting the Titanic.

Oh my god.

Yeah no, no, I'm like I'm good. Y'all do what y'all doing?

Yeah, I feel you on that, especially these like old abandoned like you could fall through the ground at any moment. Like that's not for me.

It feels like you're going for a dinner party story, Like what's the best case scenario? You leave this dangerous situation and then you go to a party, you tell people about it, like you could.

Just lie, and then you pull out a cigarette and you smoke it with your foot. Okay, let's do one last thing. I'm just gonna name a bunch of paranormal, unexplained phenomenon and I'm just curious if you have something that you think about when something comes up, maybe you have a story. I don't know, We'll just see what happens. Do you believe in Bigfoot?

Yes?

Really?

Why?

Because like it's all types of shit out here in nature that we haven't seen, and like I believe that people's eyes aren't lying to them. I like that we haven't caught Bigfoot though, because that means Bigfoot as smart as hell. Bigfoot was like, no, bitch, you're not catching me. I'm with a swamp monster. We having a good time.

I mean, I have a lot of respect for anyone that can pull that off for as long because I mean this is someone that did not ask for the publicity at all, Like somehow just became a star after just trying to walk.

Through nature, chilling, having big feet.

And then everyone's like we love you, we want you know, and it's like I did literally, I didn't ask for any of them. Like if I feel bad for it's like sometimes when you see like super famous people like their kids that did not ask to be famous. Yeah, the poor things.

You're right, bigfoots and Neppo baby.

I'm sure Bigfoot there was an even bigger foot that gave birth. I mean, they didn't come out of nowhere, so I'm sure. I'm sure that they're They had a long lineage. I'm sure that we're on like our one hundredth Bigfoot at this point, right, just keeps going and going.

This is Bigfoot, like Junior the Fourth.

Like, yeah, okay, what do you think about Ouiji boards?

Ooh okay.

I do think that it's people just moving the board around with their hand. It's like power of suggestion, like one person is the leader. We all have our hand on it, but someone's pulling it, but everybody's acting like nobody's pulling it.

And I love that for us.

It's like a group game and we all get to feel good about whatever cast we're talking about.

Have you done that I have?

Not Like I like hippie shit, like give me some sage any day, but like some occult shit.

I'm not trying to open up nothing. I'm good.

But you just said that you think it's people moving things.

I do, but still, look, that's my theory.

We have opinions in life, just because I have an opinion or a theory doesn't mean I'm willing to test it. Okay, I'm not doing the scientific method. I'm not touching it.

It could be real.

I can relate because I'm like that with a lot of this stuff, Like haunted dolls are something that I'm obsessed with that people sell on eBay, and I'm like, I think it's bullshit. I will not buy one to prove it. Not interested.

I was on a set once and we were in a pawn shop and there was a haunted doll that we all saw, we like took pictures of, and we were like, we stayed away from that beach. Like, I don't know what's going on with you, Annie or whatever your name.

Is, but no, thank you.

What was the story of this.

I was shooting Florida.

Girls and we were in Savannah, Georgia, so we shot at a lot of weird places. It was like a weird time because like in Savannah, like when you're shooting in Georgia, like they have different like laws about or not laws, but like rules about what you can do. So like there was a person who was handling like all the wild animals, like the alligator.

We worked with the raccoon, like all this shit right.

You worked with an alligator? Yes, I love how you say it, like my coats the alligator. What was the alligator's name?

The alligator was difficult. No, I don't remember the alligator's name.

I've worked with a monkey, a ferret, like I've you name it, iguana's komodo, dragons, lots of animals for some reason. Oh my god, I'm like Steve Irwin of actors. That's a high title act. I'm not gonna give myself that. I love you, Steve Irvan. I'll punch a sting ray

The room for sale.

I guess, y'all you just said they got them all eBay. I guess I got him in the pond shop too. But I guess it's like, maybe you do some fucked up shit, Like maybe if you're like Elon Musk, like when you get reincarnated, you're in a haunted doll. I mean that could be you can't move, you can't leave, like you just have to sit there.

It could be, Oh, that's scary. So do you believe that that's real? Like for real?

I do. I think that things can be haunted.

I think people have unfinished business, and that to me is like one of my favorite ghosts is the unfinished business ghost, because that's a petty ghost, like you could be going on up to glory and hanging out with your friends and family. They're like when you gonna come up to the glory and they're like, I got stuff to do down here, don't worry about it. Hold on booooo boo boo, bitch, just like hanging around making sure they stubb they toe, moving a table a little to the right so they trip.

Like.

I love that kind of ghost, petty.

I think that there was a lot of haunted dolls that they all look up to Annabelle, like Annabelle is that girl? Yes? And I think that maybe this doll heard that there was some movie people coming to town and they wanted this doll wanted to get in front of you guys, in hopes that you could maybe write apart for her discovered. Yes, yeah, well, Lacey Mosley the scam Goddess, this has been truly a delight.

Truly, I am.

Such a fan of yours. And can you tell people where to find you and all that.

Stuff so you can find me at d iv A l A C.

I do have a Lacy on all platforms if you want to listen to my podcast about comedy and scam scam god his podcast.

Uh yeah, watch the Outlaws on.

Netflix July seventh, so it should be out and yeah, I Carly streaming now in Paramount Plus.

And so is the Lopez Versus Lopez Show on Peacock. Yeah, that's my things, My things, and.

Listen to scam Goddess and then and your next life go to sea World and.

Yes, because I'm gonna be a killer whale, y'all come, I'm gonna do tricks. I'm gonna be the only killer Well for captivity, I'm like, it's nice over here.

They bathed me.

All right. Well, thank you, Lacy, thank you, ros thank you so much to Lacey Moseley the scam got How crazy is it that she just did the Fox Sisters? Like I think that was beyond a coincidence. It was all meant to be.

It really was.

And also another thing I didn't mention I was in my research I saw something about how actually one of the Fox sisters, I think it was Kate Fox, is the great great great great grandma of Megan Fox, and at one point she was dating Machine Gun, Kelly's great great great great grandfather. Must get Kelly. Hmmm. All right, legally I have to say that was not true, but made me laugh. Okay, I have been loving hearing from you all so much. Keep sending me those ghost stories.