Karen A Dahlman: Part 1

I don't know if she uses this word for to describe herself, but she's like an expert re lease as close to being an expert as I think there are when it comes to ouija boards, and you know, they come up so much on the show that I feel like we need to get a little bit of insight on this show about are they evil, what's going on? Are they real? What's the history? So we get into that kind of stuff today and I really enjoyed the

conversation and I think you will too. I was thinking maybe I should read a listener story or two, and I decided to go check out the reviews on Apple Podcast, and oh my god, you guys, we went from five stars to four point nine stars. I'm a little hurt. I don't know how that happened, So please rate the show five stars and let's get it back to five. I can't I can stand to see the four point nine. But it's a great place where you could leave a listener story for me, or you don't have to. You know,

you have to do anything. It's right. Five stars. That's a nice thing to do. But this one was posted in a five star review by Gabby and Gabby writes, Hi, Roz, I'm a longtime listener and have been wanting to share one of my many stories for a long time, but I've never had the courage to do so until now. This is the story all about how my sister's doppelganger gave me a visit. I have always had very abnormal stuff go on in my house that only I ever seemed to notice. So I thought that it was my

young mind playing tricks on me. But as I grew oh and listen to your podcast, I have realized that what I thought was crazy could possibly have been real. So this particular case happened when I was about eleven years old. It was about six in the morning and I was laying in bed asleep facing the wall in

my bedroom that my bed was pushed up against. I suddenly woke up because I felt as if someone was watching me, and I turned towards the open part of my room to see my sister sitting in my desk chair not where I left it, in front of my window, holding the curtain open and looking out onto the street. My sister would usually come into my room in the morning to wake me, so I absent mindedly told her

to leave me alone. She then very creepily released the curtain to my window that she was holding, waved at me with that hand while smiling, then picked the curtain back up and started staring out the window again. I turned back over to face the wall really without thinking, but after a moment I thought, wow, that was extremely weird, and I turned back to face her, just to find her gone and my desk chair back under my desk

where I left it. I was freaked out and immediately went to my sister's room to find her asleep and snoring. I was super weirded out and could not go back to sleep. Now, my mother is also a big believer in the paranormal, but she seems to always think that everything is a demon or has really bad energy. When I told her what happened, her first reaction was it was a demon that disguised itself as my sister and wanted me to follow it, and she wanted to sage

my room. I don't know where she got that idea about the demon from, but being eleven years old, it creeped me out. Yeah. Since then, there has been countless other minor incidences where I know that there is either a ghost or spiritual presence in my room. But I firmly believe that it was a warm and gentle and friendly presence, and instead of wanting it out, I am completely willing to share the space of my room with it for the time being. Thanks for reading my story.

Thank you so much for leaving that five star review and sharing that story. Gabby, I mean that actually kind of sounds like astral projection. Maybe it wasn't like a doppel gang, or maybe it was your sister in her sleep state, being like like I'm gonna go peek out Gabby's window. I don't know, it could be, but that is interesting what you brought up about your mother thinking that it's a demon impersonating your sister, because I do

talk to Karen about that throughout this conversation. At some point. I think it's in this first part we talk about that, because that is obviously something that a lot of people think goes on, like you know with Ouija boards and stuff, where it's like demon pretending to be your loved one. And Karen had some good insights, so stay tuned for that. I want to read another one. Give him more, Give

him more. Okay. I went to the Facebook group called Ghosted by rous Dressfales and I saw this one posted by Casey Casey Wrights. I have had several experiences in my life, but I'll share one that was over the span of about eight months. My husband and I were twenty one and twenty two and just got our first apartment and had our first baby. I believe the first time I saw him, our ghost, I was getting ready

for bed and taking out my contacts. I was looking in the mirror and saw a tall young man with glasses walk past the open bathroom door towards our bedroom, where our son was sleeping in his basinette. The bathroom had a door going into the hall and one going into the bedroom, so I walked into the bedroom and no one was there. He actually looked a lot like my husband, so I thought it was him. He was young, tall, white,

and skinny with glasses, very similar to my husband. Another time, my husband and I were sitting on the couch watching a movie and I looked over into the kitchen and he was standing at the stove looking at us between the cabinets above the stove. Oh my god, what are you doing that moment? Are you like to your husband? Like look over there? Don't say anything, just turn Oh my god. One time I was coming home from work and went to check the mail, which was in a

little covered area in the courtyard. As I was walking back to our second floor apartment carrying our son's carrier, I looked up and saw him peeking through our blinds. I called maintenance to come and check the apartment before I would go in, and they didn't find Anyone. Last notable time, it was Mother's Day and my husband stayed home that evening so my cousin and I could have dinner to celebrate my family had celebrated earlier that day.

I came home and had left my keys at home, so was knocking on the door for my husband to let me in. He's a really hard sleeper, so I started knocking on the window to our bedroom, then went back to the front door. He came several minutes later, a little freaked out. He said he woke up to being nudged by our ghost and him saying, Hey, someone's at the door. What. Also, something that has been discussed a lot in paranormal podcast is ghosts usually being an

old time clothes. Our ghosts had jeans and a shirt. He looked straight out of the nineties early two thousands. I probably saw him more, but thought it was my husband. Oh. Also, I've heard babies and fighting make them more active, and we had a new baby and our neighbors would fight really loud all the time. I mean, it sounds like a nice ghost. I mean, that's that's so funny, like wake up, someone's at the door. Wow. It's kind of spooky but kind of sweet. I don't know, I like it.

These are good stories, guys, keep them coming, keep sending me the stories, and as always, I want to do a listener episode too, So send me your emails at ghosted by Rows at gmail dot com with the subject line listener episode and maybe we can talk on the phone and record this whole idea of like a late nineties two thousands ghost. It got me thinking because, Okay, I just talked to Katrina Weidman. I can't wait to

release those episodes coming soon as well. But one of the things that you'll hear us talk about was she had mentioned like sometimes during paranormal investigations, you can turn on music of a time period and maybe that could get some activity going, make the ghosts feel comfortable. The ghosts might be like, oh, that's my bop, and then they'll come out and start dancing. They just can't help. But so I don't know, like late nineties two thousands goes.

You could put on some like let's see here he has like a jeans and too. You could put on I don't know, blank Win eighty two or something. Maybe he'll come out Backstreet boys. Oh okay, wait, you guys, Okay, I can't believe. Okay, I gotta share this with you. So this is not paranormal related at all. But I work with the legendary Bingo here in Los Angeles, and I'm so excited to be back. I did it before

the pandemic and now we're back and I'm doing. I've been doing a lot of events with them, a lot of like private events and stuff, and it's really cool. We get to do all kinds of just insanely fun, incredible events. And we did one a Pride event this weekend where we were like, I guess you could say we're like kind of the opening act. I mean, we

played like an hour of bingo. Me and the Bingo boy who owns the company created this this really super fun drag queen Bingo that happens in LA and all over the place and on Zoom and stuff as well.

But the two of us we kind of like opened the show for two members of in Sync and two members of the Backstreet Boys, and they performed and it was pretty incredible, and I wish I would have taken more videos and pictures and stuff, but you can watch, like if you go to YouTube and type it in they were there at the Grove here in LA this weekend. There's tons of pictures and videos all over the internet

of the events. It was pretty incredible. But I when I do these kinds of events, it's like I'm in kind of like work mode, so it's kind of hard to like, like I wish I could vlog better, so I wasn't really able to do that, but I did make a vlog on my Patreon this weekend and there's some of that in there. I also went to go see Jackie Beat and Cherry Vine at Casita Dout Campa, my favorite place here in La where I do my live ghosted shows, or I have in the past and

hope to one day soon. So I did a little video taken taking you with me, So go check that out on my first tier of Patreon this week and the bonus clip on my second tier Patreon this week. I mean, I can kind of tell you about it, but like you will understand it more on the tail end of this episode. So once you fall in love with Karen, then you're gonna like be like, Okay, I go,

I gotta go listen to some more. But that's patreon dot com, slash Raws dres Fales and we're actually talking about like this episode is mainly about Oija boards, but Karen is she does a lot of different things, and she starts talking about these extraterrestrials that she has a relationship with. You know, she she knows them, and I don't know how else to put it, They're like they guide her and she has this relationship with these extra terrestrial beings. And uh, we talk about that a little

bit more on Patreon, so go check that out. Anyway, let's talk about wija boards. Here is my conversation, Part one with Karen A Dolman on with the show. All Right, you guys, I have my ouiji board open and I'm going to see who comes through. Okay, a r e. I don't know. It's moving so fast. Karen A Dolman, Hello.

But everybody says, oh, tell me you're bad evil stories, And I got to be honest, people, My stories are so life affirming, riveting, eye opening, and just pretty exciting that I haven't had to make bad experiences so I think my message, out of all the messages out there, is one of a more positive message that you can too learn to channel using a Wija board. We can

get into this a little bit more. But I think that's why I've created a name as like the Wiga Lady, and I know Coast to Coast Georgeanuri calls me the Miss Wigiauigia Lady and all these different names and monikers

that they've come up with over the years. And it's just because I'm I'm first of one, I'm the only female in the talking about historical society group, and so you know, we got all these male collectors, there's me and then also you know, its like, again, it's a rarety that somebody talks more positively about the board, and so it just kind of stuck.

that that's not necessarily the case. And I still talk to a lot of people that it comes up and they're just like, no, can't do it, it's evil. So I hear that you're the perfect person to talk to to be like, now that's not the case.

and consciousness in any dimension. So we can go way out there if you want today. But that's what I've specialized in and my background I am a therapist, so I'm not surprised when I channel I tend to get more positive, helpful things for people for personal development and growth. And you know, that's my background too, so I tend to attract more of those energies to me for that reason. You know, when you work with this tool, it's not the board itself that does this work. It's it's our

own selves we do this work. It's just a tool that's neutral. We use it to channel like a talisman or like a focal point. It just becomes the excuse or permission slip, if you will, to slip into the other realms and make these contacts. So it's really ourselves that do this work, and so I tend to be more positive. You know, the glass is half full, not half empty, and therefore I tend to attract more of that to me, those kind of energies.

come through. Where I'm just using myself. It's like I'm the channel allow this energy to come through. It's no different. We're both are tapping into these energies. Now here's an example. You could sit yourself in a room that's well lighted, and you could put yourself in the intentions and if you're and if you're in the belief, the space of believing this could happen, you could call in the energies.

And why is that not evil? I mean maybe some people it is, but that's no different than what we're doing. When we use something as a focal point, where it's electronic device, tro cards, pendulum, it could be the dowsing rods, it could be the eaching the ruins or the wigi aboard or black mare scrine or crystal ball. I mean, I work with all these different tools because that's what they are. So to say this one's evil and those aren't. It's just a farsity. It just doesn't make sense.

be so many different reasons why that's happening. But yet we tend to go, oh, that's a haunted all and not thinking maybe we're putting our own energy and projected onto the doll, thus it becomes apparently haunted. Okay. So I don't want to say no and yes, I want to say what does the person believe? Personally? In my collection, I have a lot of boards. I have like a

fifty plus. I think I'm about fifty four to fifty five boards now, which is nothing compared to my fellow collectors, they've got over hundreds and thousands of boards, so my collection is consider small. Not one of them is a haunted board. It's not part of my belief system, and I see them as neutral. So who's haunted. Maybe it's me because I'm the one that can bring in all

the energies. So it's a tricky question. You asked, let me say, yes, it's haunted, and I'm saying, well, it's not that easy to say.

bad was going to happen with it. At the time, but I was thinking, this thing is going to be haunted. But then nothing happened. I kept it in my room for like two days, and then weird things started happening around my apartment and it continued for years. Now could this be that maybe I projected it, or I've got telekinesis or what do we think?

get back to your reach ward story. Let's say you go into a place that's considered haunted and you can tap into the energies, and people say, oh, the story is this always rise there was a little girl that died here. It's always that there's a little girl that died here in a blue dress, and everybody goes and sees that or wants that. But then for a second, let's rethink this. Could it have been a confluence of energies that opens a portal and all different kinds of

energies can come through. But yet our interpretation, our belief system only allows us to see it on one dimension and maybe not for what else it could be, Or maybe it's so much more. You see, we only can see, think about this with their eyes a very small spectrum of the light theory spectrum. There's so much we can't see. But some animals can tap into these other realms. We know the light spectrum exists, that's way beyond ours. We

see just a small portion. So I'm saying, let's don't limit ourself that it's only, oh, a haunted item and your boards you bought. Sure, maybe there's something that came attached to it, but let's reth think this and see could it be something else as well? And then when we're start opening ourselves to more possibilities, the ability to communicate and reach into these unseen dimensions develops and grows. And I would say that's been my success with using

the board. I didn't limit it to oh, it's old, it's gotta be haunted, or you only talk to the dead with it. Instead, I said what else can I do with this? And I found myself naturally beginning to talk to people's higher selves, and they are live people, animals that are alive and dead, whether they're never really dead, they're just called transitioned. I start talking to interdimensional beings, I start talking to extraterrestrials, I start talking to ethereal beings, angels,

go on and on and on. Because I opened myself to say it's not just a haunting, or it's not just a ghost.

it to so much more of the experience. My guide, who I talked to all the time on the board, came through more recently and I was with Patrick Keller, who was on the show, and we went to haunting a place that was haunted, the Haunted Castle House up there in Missouri, and we met of which the owners of the place and the guides had told me tell them this, and they had a message for me to

provide them before we started our investigation. And they had all the ringma row tools, everything that lights and beeps and sounds and projects and all this really cool stuff, and I just brought my old school cool tool, the wig aboard. So I sat down and said, they want me to tell you that maybe, just maybe for a moment to spend judgment, that this is you're just here talking to deceased people. Possibly your place is a conduit for all kinds of energies coming through unless see what happens.

And sure enough for myself during this investigation, and I know they got it too. I was sensing like a sat squashed there. I was sensing, you know, different time periods. We were sensing people that might have lived in the house. I was also sensing other beings that had nothing to do with the house. So it's like, if we're open to it, we allow so much more to come through. But once we say it's just this, then we close ourselves down to all the possibilities of what else could be coming through.

Just in our regular three to men world, if we have a chip on our shoulder, our day is going to be kind of crummy. I mean, we're going to tend to draw that out of people. And it's mostly because the way we're we're responding or reacting to them, you know, so we have to look at it that way, as in the decease as in the living. It's really no different.

all different types of religions. I think there's some beauty and everything. But just even just in our institutions or our society or cultural viewpoints, we're told our limitations that give us boundaries and little boxes to sit within. And I'm here to say, bust out those walls and go beyond your boundaries and be surprised that you're going to find so many other things exist. And it's not what you were told. Okay, it's not what you were told

or thought or taught to believe. And so, yes, religion is a big one. So I would have to say, Roz, it's a personally shape by all these other institutions.

in and I think it's lovely. Going back to it being evil though, because I mean, come on, I'm sorry, I'm I'm not dwelling on the bad side of Luigia, but I do want to squash it as much as we can.

peachy keen. I'm just saying you can focus on what you want in life and through the opposite you know what, you want or don't want, okay, And I'm saying that dark is it contained and is contained in the light, just like the yin yang symbol, the white and the

black symbol that you know spirals around. You got a black dot in the white part and you got a white dot in the black part, to say, it's contained within each And so if we can look at things not as bad and good, but as here's an expression, a full spectrum of ways of responding or behaving or codes or whatever you want to call it, ethics or morality or whatever it is, what you like or don't like. It's like knowing that then you have a lot more

possibility to choose from. And life really is about learning how to work with the polarities. That's what we're here in third dimension. This is why we have binary stuff. I mean, commuter language is all binary code. You know when one zio zero one one zero one one one zero zero one, that's all it is, and that creates the whole computation for the computers. And that's very much

in life. So I think it's important to have a conversation about both sides of it and not get fixated in one, but to understand we have a choice always, and our choice is what allows us to vacillate between the polarities.

we are back to the projections again. We project on the board what it can be or can't be, must be, or shouldn't be, and we put all this crap on it where it's just really a neutral tool. And so, yeah, I'm talking about it in a positive experience. You're right, you're saying, well, hey, Karen, you're talking all positive about it. I'll say, because that is what I chose to get from it. I'm not saying to get negative from it. It doesn't exist. That does exist. I mean, I believe

that evil exists in the hearts of humanity. We do such horrific things to each other and you're doing it around the world right now, and so that's where you find evil. And so it's through our own projection of what we want to call to it or call with a call out of ourself through these tools. So yeah, we have to to have a conversation to really understand what we do. We got it we have, or any device for that matter, any tool we used to reach

the unseen dimensions. We have to talk about the polarities of it. For sure.

board or wija board. And what we found is even when it first came out, and it first came out in eighteen ninety ninety one, although there was a predecessor in eighteen eighty six that was out there, and that one was called a witchboard. Interesting enough, so when they came out, people started using them. Basically the spiritualist community snatched them up and used them for a way to

talk to the decease. You know, we had the Civil War in the United States, and then as we moved forward into the early nineteen hundreds, we do we had World War one, World War two. People were doing It was a heyday of spiritualism and people were finding new ways to communicate with their deceased loved ones.

pretty good, isn't that? It sounds like the extorsist there. It's bad, not bad. So that seriously, that's so it started really when the tool came out. Always when you have something that's mysterious in nature, oh, in your and you're talking to the forbidden, it's like that then in itself becomes this thing that is scary and spooky and evil,

and you can't do that. And if you, and why should you bill do that, only the religious clergy can do that, or only so and so can do that, only the charlottan over there can do it, but you can't. So it's like taking back into your own hands control of your life, control of the of what you're going to communicate with. It's a very liberating thing. But yes, there was always fear about it. But then in the seventies and that came out in nineteen seventy one, the

Book of the Excio sist. But in seventy three Get This Here is a Good Story. December twenty sixth, nineteen seventy three, the movie came out. I got my very first Oija board December twenty fifth, nineteen seventy three, one day before The Exorcist came out? Do Do Do?

the dead? They just said it's amazing what it does. So they always positioned it and market it that way, so it's never really, oh, you gotta talk to the It was more like it's the great unknown. But because people said, and you have this projection in this association for you know, many years, you know, one hundred and thirty years now or something one hundred and thirty forty, one hundred and cavy to the math, maybe one hundred and forty years now, it's it's been positioned that way

to communicate with the deceased. So people tend to associate that. And see Parker Brothers who bought it from William Fold and now has bro owns. If they still keep that position the same, they don't really say who's coming through, Ah, your imagination, your projections, and it just keeps it more mysterious in nature. And they said, but it will work, It'll fascinate your friends for hours or something like that.

or toy. They outsold their number one game that first year. We just outsold Monopoly, so like over a million copies that first year alone, and so they realized, you know, that's the strategy. Make it mysterious. It still it always has been put in the toy section inbek use it eight years and up, and you know what, it's going to be fun and what I find you hit on something really interesting ros a few minutes ago when you said that the kids get it and they get their

scary experiences. You know, since there really are no directions other than a few little snippets of things to try, it allows you to kind of create your own rules and rituals around it. So a lot of fear comes out of that as well. It's like our super stitions come alive with this tool because we don't know what do you do with it? You know, as a kid, I don't know what to do, you know, sit across from your friend, put your hands on and ask questions, well, what else do you do? How do you make this

thing work? And so you start projecting again upon it. Well, let's create a ritual. We got to burn candles, we better sage it, we better call on the demons, we bet, you know. And people write to me and tell me this all the time, and so they create these wonderful rituals around it that seem to help it, augment it, or scare them. It depends what they want to get. But most kids, when they get it, and if they are kids and use it, even teenagers all include in

that category. Two. They've had one or two experiences and it was always scary, and they were usually a sleepover or with some friends, maybe even drinking or something, doing something silly and then using this tool, and of course they're going to get scared. That's what they that's where they're using it and the lights are off and the next thing they hear the wind hits the window. Oh

my god, a ghost is here, you know. And then that's their experiences, and they they put the board away, never use it again.

And then they may say, well, talking to my deceased loved ones. I said, okay, that's your focus. Create a ritual around that. Bring them in. Maybe you have a photograph there, or you want to talk to aunt Edna and you call her in. You got a picture there. I mean, create your ritual around it, I say, And so you get to create your own mysterious workings. And one of my colleagues, Gene Orlando, he owns the museum

at talkingboards dot com. Fantastic site. You can learn a lot on there anyway, and he's been on my show a few times too, and you can hear him speak about his background with the boards but he coined a word called we justitions. It's taking your superstitions and adding them to the board, and thus they become we justitions. And so it's people get really clever and unique with this, and it's kind of interesting to hear about them. So that's kind of what happens.

You know that situation. So what do you have to say about those?

you know. Okay, here's an example. I'm gonna do it in people terms. Have this girlfriend of mine and she told me about a friend of hers. She's like, Oh, he's a pain in the ass. He comes and stays at your house. He makes a mess, he leaves, he leaves coffee all over the counter, he doesn't clean up. So I let him spend the night at my house. And I said, Gene, it's it's all good. Spend the night at my house.

he's going to say, well, whatever. So it's like, it's how you approach somebody, how you approach And I'm going to say somebody like a person in this life that we're talking to each other or even in the spirit realm. The energy is there, how do you approach it? What do you expect of those spirits? And you're gonna find when there's a higher expectation, that's what's going to show up. So when you said Roz, well maybe they said turn over a new leave because she helps U see the light.

I'm not going to disagree that can happen.

I've seen that and I'm not surprised. I'm also a psychotherapist, so you know I do this with real people in real life, you know what I mean, or a lot of people, I should say, So you know you bring yourself, you can't separate yourself from this medium, from this tool. You can't separate yourself from the session. So you're going to bring out that which comes to you. Now, if I've had negative experiences, I have had somewhere like beings have come through and maybe customed me. I didn't really

know how to majorly control this situation or session. I was. I was getting better at learning how to do that, and I've had some of that. But the thing I say, if you get anything that comes through you feel like it's less than positive or less than what you want, then I just say, hey, bye bye, you can't be here anymore. And I usually pick up the boards and I wipe it ceremonially with my arm or my sweatshirt on my shirt. I wipe it off and I put it back down, and I have people say what do

you do? And I go, I'm just getting rid of that energy. No more, Bye bye, you can't come on my board. And I gotta tell you it works every time, because it's like I shift something in me that brings in a whole nother energy.

I have boundaries, and I set these boundaries early nineties I started getting pretty goodt using the board after about fifteen years of using it, so early nineties I said some major boundaries where I said, if you want to communicate with me, whether it's through the board or off the board, and I see spirits and I see all kinds of different things, and I have conversation with them off the board too. I said, then you know what,

don't come and surprise me in my sleep. You can come through my dreams, but you can't just sit there and hover over me or the bed and scare the heck out of me. That's not loud. And so I've done these boundaries, and it took you a while to build that up, and there's a lot of techniques for that. That's a whole nother story, hold another show. But doing that in itself set up this grid work. I'm going to call it energy work around me where they know

that because I do readings. When I do readings, I ask for the energies to come through that can help me read for this person. And then when that happens, I invite in their spirits of a high vibration who have the best interests of heart for this person I'm reading for or for the message that I'm going to bring forth, and then they can come through too. But there's there's a you set up a boundary for yourself and that that does require some inner work on yourself

as well as learning some techniques. But that's this is more that's more more advanced wag aboard work or advanced spiritual work. But that's something that's necessary when you start really getting the communications coming through. So yes, Ros, there's possibilities that that can happen. People have done that before. But you don't need a board for those things to happen. And many people can attest to that as well. Well.

was part of my spirit guide collective. I call them the collective group of spirit guides I have. And this little being would come to me and talk to me about my life of my family. I would like who these people that are tried to tell me what to do, and it would give me answers and we'd play with me. And my mom always said, who are you talking to in there? I said, don't you see, it's my friend. Daki was his name, and she goes, there's nobody here.

If you're gonna go to school, you can't be doing this. I'm like, okay, i gotta put Daki away. So I thought I put Daki away, and really I kind of put them to the side. But then I discovered the Ouiji boar at the age of eight, and that's when just everything blew up again. I was able to talk

to all these different beings, mostly was deceased people. But then when I got really good, probably when I was a teenager college, I started talking to all different kinds of deceased beings and then it just kept growing from there. So along the lines from the age of two up to where I am now, I still have visitations from different types of beings and sometimes are interdimensional. I've had some extraterrestrials come to me. There's one I don't I'm not ready to talk about yet. It's in my book

I'm writing right now. It's pretty profound. It's probably probably my most special, gosh, the most incredible eye awakening, eye opening experience ever, and that that will be out in the next book I'm writing right now. I know I can't tell you, but I will drop drop some other ones. So when I was a lot younger, and this is even pre Wigia board. Okay, everyone's gonna go well, it

happened to her because she was using the Wigia board. No, people, this was happening before I was using a Oigia board. I've always had spirits come to me. I had the grace come to me, and this is like in nineteen gosh, I started early late sixties, early seventies, and then it

even happened after I had the board. But these I didn't know what they were, but these little beings would come and stare at me and scare the heck out of me, and I'd have these nightmares and I'd I'd see in my room and then I wasn't sure if it was I sleep or awake, and then I'd scream and my parents said, there's nothing in here, go back to sleep, you know, I'll get something to cry about, you know, And I was like, oh my god, I was,

so I was terrified of the dark for years. It wasn't until I think it was nineteen seventy nine eighty when Whitley Strouper wrote a book called Communion. It came out and I saw the creature's face on that book and I went, BINGO, that's what I saw all those years ago, a decade earlier. I go, that is what I was seeing, And so I began that's I realized it was those little extraterrestrial beings that were coming and we had a relationship. But it was scary because I

didn't know how to interpret it. And it was scary because they would come and I'd be paralyzed. You that's pretty scary for young kids, scary for an adult. So they they were some of the first beings that would come to me. But there was another group of beings that came around the same time. And these beings I all the Guardians. And I remember one time and I was in second grade, so I got the waygeboard when I was in third grade. I was in second grade. This pre wee ja again and again, you guys, I

always was so open clairvoyant. Claire Audience, Claire Centience, My Clarees are very open, especially when I was a young child. So I had these beans that would come to me, and one I remember even Christmas Eve, and so they would come at auspicious times or near an auspicious times.

So I would say, oh, that's Easter bunny. Oh that must be the tooth fairy, you know, right around Easter, right around Christmas, or at least a month before Christmas, so I could say, oh, that's Santa Claus checking on me. So these beans would come, and what they'd look like. They were these large I mean tall. They filled the door, but I didn't see a body or form, but it was like huge light. And I'd say they because it felt like it almost felt like it was a maybe

male female. I wasn't sure because but I truly know they're adrogynists, because I've spoken to him since. But they would come and I could hear this more feminine voice, Hey do you think she's asleep? And then this more masking voice said, well, let me go check. And one of them walked over to me and I saw it and I go, oh my god, it's Santa Claus and it's helpers up butt. I closed my eyes. They're gonna think if I'm awake, he's gonna, you know, see Santa Claus. Right.

It's like, close my eyes and I'm like trying to. When you get your eyes closed, you're nervous. They start blinking, fluttering. I'm like, don't do that, don't do that. Hold your breat no breathe, hold your breat no breathe. Okay, he puts his hand.

the freaked out feelings when the little grays. These guys were amazing, I immediately feel this rush of love. I just felt so safe and I was like, oh, take me with you, you know, I want to be with you guys. I was just so loving, and I remember telling my parents about this. They're like, oh God, you're the one that sees Santa Claus. You're the one that sees tooth firs. You're the one sees Easter Bunny. You're the one. I'm like, but they're here, you know, what

do I tell you know? They didn't blame me, but I learned later on their names actually called the Guardians.

You got some questions, send them on in. I got a bunch of great questions, so we do that next week. We'll have her answer those. And I would also like to give a shout out to Patrick Keller, who listened to this show as a fellow podcaster and recommended her as a guest, So thank you so much for that, and anyone listened to the show. If you know of somebody cool with a cool ghost story or whatever, let

me know. I always appreciate that because I do do this show every single week, so I'm always looking for guests. So let me know you know how to get a hold of me. Please rate the show five stars. Get me back to five stars, not this four point nine shit. Please rate it five stars on Apple Podcasts. Leave a ghost story in a comment or just you know, maybe

a nice comment or no comment. That's fine. Joined the Facebook group ghosted by roz dres false and follow me on Instagram at Hernandez and I'm on cameo rozdres fales Um I might be forgetting something. I don't know some of your listener stories to ghosted by rosigmail dot com with the subject line listener episodes and I hope you have a great week. I love you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me. Okay.