Juju Bae Speaks With the Dead

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Bed?

It spooky?

Hey, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

Wait a minute, I said, Nandez.

Plase, Hey boo, it's me Roz. Welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I invite my friends on to talk about things that make the little hairs on my body stand up even though I've spent thousands of dollars on hair removal procedures. I want to welcome you to October, my favorite month, Oh my god, And this is the craziest October of them all, because this is the month where I get to say that I am

I don't know.

I think it's like a perfect title, if I do say so myself, because you know, it's sort of like I love a title that means more than one thing. I mean, hello, ghosted by Ras. But the title living for the Dead, you know, my first instinct is like sort of how we talk in queer culture, drag culture, like most of the way people talk, the kids talk these days. I think the main root of it is

Hi, Rossie Pool? Hello, everyone listening to Ghosting not me on Ghosting.

I'm famous while you are one of the stars of this new TV show called Living for the Dead, which is premiering on Hulu October eighteenth. It's crazy that we're talking about this because you and I are both on the show together. We have not been able to talk about it for over years. Wow, and the day is finally almost here. And I just want you to know that, and please do not tell this to the other cast members, but you are my favorite.

Well, thank you so much for Rozzie. You're my favorite too. I won't tell them if you won't tell them. Jujo, it's our secret.

So Juju, who are you? What's your deal? So?

I'm a spiritual practitioner. I practice hoodoo some people colloquially called this voodoo, which is like an African American medicinal system, magic system. And then I also am a practitioner within a tradition called ephi, which is like venerating different nature based deities more or less. But all of that can be encompassed into a witch.

I'm a witch. I practice witchcraft. I'm a black witch.

I do magic, quote unquote, and yeah, I talk to dead people a lot, as folks will see on the show, and interact with the dead a lot, and it is a big part of like who I am, and like I would not be who I am without the dead, and so like I bring them into my life very often every single day.

Was you seeing dead people and talking to dead people? Was that something that happened before you started practicing.

No, actually, like I really wasn't doing anything super special, and then I started having dreams, like about dead people, specifically, like my dead ancestors talking to me once I didn't know. They were telling me their names, what they used to do, and I was like, who is this? And I would go to my family They're like, how did you know about this particular person? So I was like, Okay, this is kind of weird. Maybe I should look into why

It just happened.

So did you have a moment where you get like that scene in the movie where you go to the library and you're like looking at the old newspaper articles and you're like screaming that's the guy for my dream or were you able to confirm that?

Like, the confirmation really came from having conversations with family members, like older family members like oh, I feel like I should be using plant medicine to do blah blah blah. And then I would like go to my great aunt who's ninety three, and she's like, oh, yeah, my grandmother used to be the town quote unquote witch doctor, but was basically the people that cared for black folks, specifically like during enslavement birth the babies also did the little

You well, you're about to be on television talking about it. Yeah, you grew up Catholic, right, I did, so, Okay, a lot to unpack there because I believe, since I grew up Catholic too, mm hmmm, that it definitely can prep you for being someone that would believe in ghosts, yes, and the spiritual realm. I mean, does that apply to you? Do you think that that has something to do with that?

Oh?

Yeah.

I always say that Catholics are like the Christian witches because they are.

I mean, I don't think that they would like that, they would hate that, but I completely agree. I think that's so much of the ceremony going on in a Catholic mass is so just even like a bunch of people holding hands saying a prayer together at M down, it's always monotone as fuck m and everybody is just like chanting, like if you didn't know what they were saying, like you would be. It's like they're all saying a spell. It's like one big coven it is.

And like the deity aspect of my work now, I'm like, oh, I've been like venerating deities for a long time through the Saints, Like there were feast days for saints and we would talk about the saints and sometimes you could even quote unquote bring them offering like you would light a candle for a particular deity that was not God. You know, we're venerating Mary as if she's God herself or even Jesus. Like it prepped me one hundred percent

I know, but do you feel that it's still like in you? For me, it's hard to shake some Catholic things like what like, I don't relate to the organized religion, the business side of it at all.

Sure, the admin, but.

I really think that if I was in a plane going down, I might yep, Father Son, Holy Spirit, I might do the sign of the Cross.

Yeah, I mean yep.

I actually went to this was actually last year. I went to a wine festival that was at a Catholic church in Baltimore.

A blood festival, a blood feast, blood feasts.

It was literally like wine tasting, wine festival, and I took my mom.

But was it did they turn it into They did not.

Turn into blood. This was strictly secular wine tasting. Pino grigio sharaay. They had their reds and their whites and the blends. Only a Catholic church would have a wine tasting, but I went because I was just so interested. It was at the Shrine of Saint Anthony in Baltimore, so

When I lose items, I do too.

Thank you. That's the number one thing that I still do from Catholicism. People listening, if you don't know this something that they'll teach you. If you lose an item, you say a prayer to Saint Anthony. Bitch. If I didn't do it. An hour ago. I have this purse from Hell that has three different compartments in it. And I was on a podcast and then as soon as I was going out to my car, I could not find my keys in there. And I'm digging around with my long ass claws. I can't find it. And I said,

Saint Anthony is my boo.

Seriously, I talk to him all the time because I'm also someone who loses shit all the time, so like you will never hear me speaking down.

There's also the who's the one that you buy a statue if you're trying to sell like a car or a house or something.

I don't know.

I can't remember, but some which stores I've been to sell those for that reason, I don't know. I like it all, Lissa. I am polyamorous when it comes to deities.

If it works, it works, That's my thing. If it works, it works.

And I love that. I think it's personal. I think whatever makes sense to people. Yeah, So, speaking of voodoo and who doo mm hmm, I think it is so important to talk about that stigma and reputation it's garnered from how it's been so horribly depicted in movies and books and so many things over the years. So unfair. I mean witchcraft in general, yes, but it almost seems like voodoo. All people think about is voodoo.

Dolls, hexes and curses.

Yes. Is that something you've encountered.

Oh?

Absolutely, Like you said, witchcraft in general is not something that people see as sexy. Maybe more now, I think it's kind of being explored or it's like a little bit cute, but in a lot of ways, it still feels very surface level. And this is like no shade, but just like the oh I have a crystal, like that's the safe form to practice. But if you're doing anything that's not as like packaged and you know, beautiful,

You know, reading with shells is illegal, like in the.

US, not just in other countries in the United States, like you could be fined in like North Carolina if you like do divination?

Is that right?

I think also wisconon somewhere else.

I was just writing about it nowhere we went, right, or did we?

We didn't go in any of those places.

Three break alot am I going to that beta jail.

Well there's a spell for that.

Oh my god, case, yeah, you better pull out whatever gets you out of jail. You to pull out that spell.

There's plenty of those, Honey, just give me a brown candle.

But yeah, I mean, it's like you can't ignore the fact that particularly just witchcraft in general is misogynist. That goes way back, and then the racism within stigmatizing.

Who do I mean, it's kind of scary too that, like we're on a show where I'm literally doing some of those things and like nodding to these practices that are so stigmatized, like that is something that I think about too, like, oh shit, like what does this mean for me? Like I'm gonna have that stay up proudly, yes, but also I still don't fully know what to expect with that.

It's a that now I understand. I mean, being transiting on TV two is scary. Yeah, unfortunately we both are dealing with our own versions of this kind of thing.

Yeah, but I don't know.

We believe in the work that we do right, and we know that we're not doing things with bad intentions. It's a scary world these days.

It is good.

Should we just become Christians?

I think?

So maybe she's just going to mess a mess on Sundays.

It's always interesting and I'm not gonna lie. As somebody that works in paranormal entertainment. Sometimes it's kind of frustrating when I talk to deeply spiritual people about ghosts, because they'll just sort of act like, yes, it's just something that happens. It's just it's part of the world. And I'm like, bitch, it's scary. Look behind you. But tell me about your experience with that kind of stuff. I mean,

So I'm not really the person that's like going to haunted places to investigate.

I mean, for fun, I have clearly you'll see it on the show.

I wouldn't necessarily say that that was a big part of my practice. Yeah, yeah, I do readings like I read like that's what I do. So I am coming into contact with ghosts, you know, ghosts quote unquote pretty often because I'm speaking to people's ghosts, like the ghosts that walk with individuals, I interact with them. So I'm trying not to be the annoying spiritual a person who's like it's a part of life, but it really is.

A part of my normal now day to day.

Talk about it the way you do. I just my silly brain. I just always wanted to be so scary.

And well, okay, I have a story where I was shook a little bit. Okay, So I told you that I practice something called ephi is a nature based practice. They have many deities that we venerate on specific days, and when you first get into the tradition, you go through like an initiatory process.

We have to do all these things, like secret things, right, it's a real initiation.

So at the end you receive shrines of specific deities. So this is pretty early in my journey. I was like, Okay, I'm learning about this. I think I want to practice this religion. Like I'm going to go through an initiation and receive these shrines, and like I'm ready. I go through it. I'm doing all these random things. They're not random, but they are. And I'm like, did I make a mistake, Like this is kind of weird. It's just new to me.

Hey, welcome to the religion. Blah blah. I get three shrines. I go home.

They're like, you know, put them one by the door, one here, one there, and you know, make sure that for the next few days you like talk to them regularly.

Blah blah blah. I'm like, okay, so we're done. I go home.

I put my shrines down. One of them has a lot of like different medals in the shrine. Another one is like stone. So I go to bed first night in the new religion, yay, And all throughout the night, I hear the stones like shifting around like on the ground in my house. And then I hear the metal clashing together constantly just throughout the night, like I can hear the things that are in the shrine just like being picked up and dropped. Ain't nobody in my house

I was like, why did I do this?

Yeah?

I regretted it instantly, but then I woke up the next day and like I shook it off. I don't know, it sounds weird, but like I got to know the shrines and talk to them, and now they're like my best friends. But it was the moment where I was like, oh, this shit is real. I'm in my room, awake and I hear my shrines shaking and moving in the other room.

Do you interpret that as them saying hi? Or what now I do?

But okay, I'm new, like I'm not super into the witchy juju woo woo yet.

So I was terrified. But no.

I talked to other people and they're like, yeah, sometimes when you bring your they're called are show. When you bring your risha home, they're unpacking their bags. Yeah, they're familiar, right, They're moving in like they're putting it in their friend getting cozy, and that's what it is.

I was like, okay, so that happens to people. They're like yeah. And also you're a medium because you are able to hear that so clearly.

I was like, oh, oh, you're like okay, so I could start charging people. So you're saying I can make money. It's interesting to hear you talk about being terrified because from my experience with you, we went to borderline hell mouths.

We did.

We went to some places that I would not send my words to enemies to God, and I never saw you scared sure, cold, maybe because it was freezing, tired because we had long hours, whatever, But I never saw you scared. And what's that about? Is that your ancestors? Is that your faith? How do you describe that?

Mmmmm, I don't know.

I just well, one, I know I was so afraid back then because I was new, and now I just feel like I've been in it so many years, Like this was at least five six years ago that I first got my arisha. So I guess it's my faith. I feel very protected insecure in what I practice, and I just am not phased by a lot of things. But this isn't just like the witchy shit. I'm kind of like flat when it goes to that. So it's

Complete opposite of me. I think it would be so funny to see footage of you sleeping and me sleeping when we say to these haunted hotels, you were just in there with like face mask on, knocked out. Yeah, just like so just peaceful. It would be that song did Do Do Do Do? And then there's me over there shaking constantly with my eyes look at Dart and around. I was so scared.

Did you really not sleep well?

Girl? Sleep well? Sleep at all? I didn't sleep any of the times that we stayed at Haunted Play, says. The only times that I slept was if we had time during the day, if we weren't going to start until noon, I would go to bed once the sun came up. I don't know, five six o'clock in the morning what I would go to bed then until like ten or something and then get ready. So some nights in those locations, I had like four hours.

Oh my god.

But you know, as of right now when we're recording this, you and I have only seen the first episode at the Clown Motel, and I believe you'll see more of that process later on in the season. But when I was watching the Cloud Motel one, I'm like, this makes it look like I slept great. I'm here to have a great time. No, the truth is our rooms were terrifying. I feel like, wasn't yours pretty scary?

Yes, my room was very scary. I didn't sleep well at least the first night either. But just because I just I'm bougie with my accommodations, but honest sleep well either.

I was like, what is this?

Oh, ew, well, there is something about a motel that scares me, Like people can just knock on your door, like I have doing shows out of town before, like stayed in motels and had people knock on my doors in the middle of the night.

Right, the whole experience freaks me out. Sometimes not always necessarily because a ghosts right. But I didn't have any experiences in my room at that place. But they would say, oh, this is the room where people wake up and they see a man sitting in the chair next to the bed.

Yeah, scratching you, pulling hair.

And then they go, here's your room key, have a good night, see you. Yeah. And then also written in pencil on the wall, people had written their experiences. Oh I was staying here and this happened, and that happened.

I didn't know that.

I didn't notice that until like night two or something, and I started reading that, and I'm like, there's no damn. I made cat I sink ken in his bedroom strictly platonically as two friends, two separate beds, period. But yeah, you never let it get in your way, which I admire so much because it got in my way. It broke me down. The ghosts got the best of me.

Oh god.

And I think it's because part of the fun for me is being scared, and.

Yeah, that's the thrill. I will say. I was afraid the most in Bisbee.

Bisbee, Arizona, the Copper Queen Hotel. Holy shit, the scariest place I've.

Ever been, absolutely period. Bisbee was scary.

I just don't really show outwardly fear, but show I was scratched there.

I know what happened to me didn't make the cut.

So here's what people don't understand about paranormal shows. There's a lot that is happening when the cameras are not rolling.

Yes, and that place.

In particular, we stayed multiple days and nights in that building, and it was non stop. Every time we would congregate back together from our rooms, everyone had stories about stuff that had happened.

Yep, I had a scratch on my neck.

I very much remember that. It was terrifying the room that you stayed in, and you were right a couple doors down from me, I believe. Yeah, you were on the scary floor too, right.

Yeah, But my ancestors literally were like, you need to move rooms, and I did, but after the scratch, they were like, get out of that room. You're finding any other room you should not be there. But someone else on production was scratching that room too the night before I got scratched that room.

That's right.

Yeah.

Have you ever not listened to your ancestors?

Oh? Absolutely?

And how'd that go for you?

I don't listen to them a lot because we don't always agree. It's kind of like, you know, you may have friends or family members, like they're giving you the best advice that they have, but you want to do you as your life, you know, m.

So you don't view them like now that they're spirits they are all power nah, and they can see the future because I think people make that mistake a lot. It's sort of like how people do the weedy board or whatever, and they're like, will I get married next year? It's like, why would a ghost know that?

The thing is like, they know a lot like I think when they die, at least in my traditions, when they die, they are able to see a little bit more. They don't have the same kind of restrictions and boundaries that human beings have. Because we're like literally in flesh, we can only do but so much. So, like spirits have the ability to see a little bit more, but you don't take into account. Like again, these spirits are

But sometimes I'm like, okay.

Here, y'all not gonna do that though, but appreciate the advice. They're not the end all be all. They're just supportive spirits in my life whose advice I take when I need to.

The consultants, they're consultants. Do you view spirits just this way that are your ancestors or do you view all spirits this way?

Well, the thing with my ancestors is that I trust them because I know them. Right, Other spirits, spirits be lying spirits be trying to confuse you. I mean, we were talking about tricks to spirits in one of the episodes. I think that was actually clon Wotel, Like, spirits have their own agenda. You never know who you're talking to. They're just like people. People be lying, people be stealing, people, be cussing, people be uh huh bitches. Spirits encompass all of that they can.

Yeah. I was just talking to Alex, who you'll all meet next week on the show. She's one of our other cast members, and I was saying, like, when you ghost hunt or whatever you want to call it paranormal invest and you ask are you a demon or whatever? And then it comes back saying yes, bitch, why am I gonna believe?

I feel like well' wouldn't tell you.

Yeah. I feel like this is one of these things, like if I moved to a new city where no one knew me, I could just make up my own storyline. People could be like, are you a billionaire? I could be like, yeah, I am, why not? And I've got eight husbands at home, Like I don't know, I could just make up whatever the hell I want. I feel like sometimes there's ghosts that are probably viewing it like that too. Like they are, They're like, ooh, this would be fun. I'll be a demon for this one.

They one hundred percent. It's like going up to my ass like did you break into my house? And they broke into your house. I'm not gonna be like, yeah I did. They're gonna say no, yeah. Spirits lie like people lie. Spirits lie. I think once people realize that they are not the end all be all, they would have better interactions with the spirit when you just go in knowing like whatever, it is, like you just take what you can get.

If you like them, if you trust them, cool, if not, like hey whatever, totally.

I think you just have to take it for what the experience is.

Yes, you do.

I find it really hard to find concrete answers in that world mm hmm, just because everything is so unknown it is. That's the mystery.

That's the fun part to.

Me, that's the fun part. What do you think of demons? Do you believe in.

That the concept of demons is a bit foreign in my religions plural, But I don't think that that means that they don't exist. I think if people have experiences with demons, then they exist in some capacity because people have experiences. But I don't really come into contact with demons, and in some ways I don't even fully understand what a demon is. Besides like growing up Catholic and like hearing about demons, Like is that what it is?

Like?

Are they actually nice? I don't know? What do they be doing? Where are they?

Siria?

Tell me? What are the demons?

Do you believe in, like inhuman energy that is bad?

Okay, yes I do.

I do believe in like malevolent or inhuman energies that do not mean you well or mean us well, though they may mean somebody well though, which is getting into.

A lot of weird things.

But yeah, I do believe in that, but I just feel like, not to get too deep, but like some of the things I may view as malevolent is what someone else may view as benevolent, or what somebody else may like or appreciate, or that spirit supports this other person. It may not align with what I'm trying to do. But to say that it's purposeless for someone else, you know, I can't say that.

So sure, I guess it's a demon to me.

But if we talk about that with humans, mm hmm, a lot of people take comfort and really nasty views. You know, it brings them joy, It brings them comfort, So what do we do about them?

It's hard.

I mean, obviously there's things that are just like big hell knows, like moral morally, that are like, okay, you're fucked up.

Yeah yeah, But people would.

Say that I'm evil, and people do because I'm talking to dead people and I'm talking to spirit and yeah, you know, I'm not Christian, So in some spaces I am that malevolent thing. I do represent that, though I don't feel that way. I hope you don't know that. You know, you don't feel that way about me, But shit, I am to people, even to some family.

That's why I brought you here today so I could let you know that I think you're evil, and I think what you're doing is wrong in human, inhuman and against my beliefs. I can totally see that. Like, you know, we all have freedom in this country technically ish, yeah, to practice whatever we want or believe whatever we want. I think that where it crosses lines is when it really intentionally fucks up other people's lives. That's the part,

Oh my god, some when you say smell, I do smell. That's one of my favorite gifts, smelling and tasting. But I do see, but I don't see. I have friends who like see spirits like I see you right now and you see me.

Uh huh.

I don't see like that. I see more in my dreams and I see more in like my mind. It's really hard to explain. But like medium going to say, I'm talking about like you just see it in your head more than you see it as an outside figure. And then I don't really hear as in voices outside of my dreams. I hear as an ideas. So if a spirit is telling me something, I'm not hearing necessarily the voice sometimes but very rarely, I'm hearing the idea of what they want me to share, if that makes sense.

My favorite, drag Quin and Claire all the other ones. Claire Cognix scent from the House of cognitive sense. Okay, yeah, So one of my favorite things that I learned from you was your shell reading. M hmmm, are you able to educate us about what that's all about shell readings.

I didn't do a lot of coin readings on the show, I don't think, but I can. You can also use coins, but it's a divination tool, and divination is a systematic way to consult basically spirits. And it's through binary coding and probability that you're able to interpret like what the shells and coins mean, So based on how they fall up down. It can also get really deep. But to keep a simple you know, heads tails up down is how you are able to decipher yes or no messages.

Does that make sense? Yeah?

But like, okay, my question. It's such a confusing question and you might not be able to answer it, because I have asked us of people before and they can't answer it, and it's totally still valid. Like do you view that as the spirits are grabbing the shells and flipping them with their fingers or is it energy in the air that's causing it to do that? Or are they kind of inhabiting your body? And like, what exactly is happening there?

That's a really good question.

Because I think about this with any divination or yeah, spirit boards or pendulums or I don't know whatever. I'm like, what is actually happening here?

Right?

And it's okay if you don't have an answer, I just well, it's an interesting thing to think about.

It is an interesting thing to think about, and I think it's a lot of different things. I think that the shell itself is a spirit or the cards or whatever you're using, and I think that it's something to say about communing with that the spirit of a card, like the card is communicating about itself. Okay, the shell

That's a beautiful way of looking at things. I like it, and I also love miss an Mism of the House of missm.

Your mind is like, you're so brilliant.

Now I'm just a whole drag queen. Can I play you some ghost voices?

Sure?

It's time for EVP or ev plice. Okay, So what I do, Juge, I go to TikTok YouTube wherever, and I find electronic voice phenomenal EVPs. These are alleged voices that people have captured of ghosts speaking. I have two of them for you today, and I want you to tell me what you hear, and then I'm going to give you some options, one of them being the correct option, at least what the person believes it says.

Oh lot.

Okay. So this is gonna be a unique version of this today because the two locations that I am using are locations we've been ooo. Okay, So this is from Tee Toungu one on YouTube and it is at Waverly Hills Sentatorium FUE, which is in Louisville, Louisville, Lousville, Louisville, Kentucky. What is this ghost say? Oh God? I'm like, okay, So there is like somebody kind of talking for a second at the end there like a humane but there's a voice. Yeah, that's what we're listening for.

Got it?

Okay, I'm gonna play it again. I'm like, it's like, do you hear.

I thought it was hello something, but I don't know.

That is not what te Tungue one thought it said?

What did t sung one thing?

Is it a you bitch? Is it b no? Sis? Is it c stew bed or d you p like you p someone beat over here? Okay, let me play it again please.

I'm like, I kind of heard you bitch.

They believe it is a you bitch.

Oh you bitch? Yeah, okay, you bitch.

Okay, now that we know that, let's listen again. I can hear it. I think that the person, the human that talk kind of cut off the but I hear you bitch.

I'll give you bitch. Yeah yeah, I'll go.

And get into you bitch. I'm gonna give it to them.

And spirits are so rude.

They love to call people bitches and shit, so I wouldn't be surprised it's so rude.

Talk to me about your experience at that place before we get to the next EVP. Waverly Hills Sanatorium, famously known as one of the most haunted places in the world, a former tuberculosis hospital that has been out of business for decades and is now where people just ghost hunt their lives away.

I wasn't terribly scared. Not to be that one who's like, I'm never scared, but I wasn't terribly scared there.

I meanrego.

I think what I felt mostly there was a lot of the spirits being irritated with like what's happening?

Yeah, because they have a Halloween attraction. Yeah, that has a lot of really spooky imagery and all of that sort of a thing. And it's in areas where there's a ton of history with people being terribly sick and spending their last days, and it's certainly viewed as like this is spooky. This is where people used to.

Die, right, Like people see me, you know, still in this community. You know.

I think that was the thing that I felt. Otherwise, I actually really enjoyed it. I thought it was like beautiful in a way. It was pretty.

I liked it.

I like that place because we did not sleeply there.

I'm gonna say that, right. I liked it because we could go home.

Yes, that place it was cold, Oh shit, it was. You know, this is very lovely that we had this conversation earlier about what's evil to some people might not be to other people. The same thing goes with what's beautiful to some people might not be to all other people. To me, I wouldn't call it beautiful.

The upstairs with the windows out that was given like ig picturesque.

Yeah there was. There was like when you're high up but you're looking out. There was some nice views, nice breezes, but I never felt comfortable when I was there. Oh yeah, there were two times throughout the season. The first time I saw a ghost, I believe, was at Waverley Hill Sanatorium.

Oh right, where was that again?

It was that room that's sort of like that used to be their cafeteria.

Yep.

And we were there, and of course cameras weren't rolling. But I say this as a skeptical person. If things weren't happening when the cameras weren't rolling, I would be like, what's going on here? This seems fake? Yeah, But no, like things would happen when the cameras weren't rolling. And I saw somebody in all white running toward the operating room and they disappeared in front of me. They were

I saw a child when we first got there. At the top floor. I remember seeing like a little small like shadow figure that looked like a child running and they were like, oh, yeah, this was the kid's room, and I was like, oh, I think that was actually the first place that I saw something like that too.

Are you sure it wasn't me?

It was not you? You're not like four to two?

Okay? One? Okay, this one is also from T Tongue one. We have copied T Tongue one because they have also been to the Lamp Mansion. Oo, okay, the lamp Mansion, which is in Saint Louis. Missura. I want to say Missouri. Patton Oswald recently kept saying Missurira, and so I'm gonna say Misserra.

Period.

What is this one saying?

And he guesses, sound like it was slipping his nose.

Let me try it again. Shit, shit, s well, they did not hear shit.

I figured that was not an option. Okay, we're the options.

Is it a that's cute. B bless you. C my best shoes like these are my best shoe or d best d Okay which one is that? Let me play it again?

Please? Bless you?

Yes, bless you. Wow, you're like a real paranormal investigator. Look at you. Two for two Okay, Now tell me about the lent mansion for you?

Okay, Limpy, what was limp given?

It's just with so many places, sometimes they all run together, all the ghosts run together.

I remember you your body being overtaken by a spirit.

Oh shit, yes, yes, possession.

Just another day in the life of Juju Bay.

Apparently it's just so normal. I actually really love possession. It's one of my.

Favorite things to do because's but welcomed.

Welcome possession, right, being open to possession as a form of communication.

Tell me about that and your experience with that.

Yeah.

So obviously when people think possession, they already jump to like the horror movies of people's head spinning around and projectile vomit.

Not that necessarily.

Necessarily what if what if you got possessed by an owl with a stomach bug? Then could your head spin around and puke?

That's where that necessarily inserts itself.

That's the one caveat Caveat.

I have not had the owl with a stomach virus to do that just yet. But yeah, like in my tradition, we will welcome possession in order to invite spirits to communicate. It's like a way to give the voiceless voices. So if they're specific spirits that want to say something, if they have a message for the group or for the community, we'll do whatever, do our little deep breathing and literally invite the spirit to come to speak through our mouths so that the message can be brought or that they

But how do you get them out?

Oh it's a whole process.

You have certain tools and prayers and washes that go over you. Someone around will know how to bring someone out of possession always.

But don't you get nervous looking the way that you do and your style, your personality that these spirits won't want to leave. They're going to hop in and be like, I'm good here. I want to be Juju and I'm good, You're not going to get rid of me.

Sometimes they don't want to leave, but they can't stay. There are ways to get them out. Even if they don't want to leave, there are eviction notices, so they will leave.

You know what I was just reminded of. And I have to ask mm hmmm, because we've never talked about it other than the one time it came up early on and my first thought was, I'm keeping that for the podcast. One day you admitted that you had a relation relationship with a ghost. Can you talk about it? Yeah, okay, tell me the full meet cute or whatever they call it. I want to know the rom com How did you meet and how did you break up?

So I will say that the relationship wasn't necessarily consensual ishes it gets mixy. So basically there would be times when I would just be alone, like in my apartment this was years ago, and I would feel like an energy of someone like on me, touching me, around me, cuddling me.

I'm getting so.

Deep and even like sometimes just randomly like coming to organism, like while I'm home, just hanging out, chilling mind in my business. And it was to the point where I'm like, I think that there's a spirit or something being with me, like and having sex with me. And it was good. So I was kind of gagged a little bit because so good. It was very strange, I know, but I saw it.

This is real.

So I called my spiritual godfather at the time and I'm like, I'm having this experience. I know this sounds wild. He's like, no, I think you have a spirit husband husband. Let me go divine on it. So like divination is when we're going to the spirits, we're doing the things, we're con toulting the spirits we can trust, so the spirits we contrust her, Like, yes, she has a spirit husband. And this is someone that apparently I was married to in a previous life and we were together, we were

With me again like that, oh wow.

And at that time I was having a lot of really bad relationships like with actual real human beings, like they kept getting ruined or like random things would happen that would just like my relationship. They were just havoc. All of them were just wreaking havoc. The spirits were like, he's causing havoc. He doesn't want to see you with anybody else. He doesn't want you dating. He wants you

Well, you don't even know what he looks like.

I don't even know what he looks like. I mean the sex is good, but like this is kind of weird. Like, no, this is too much for me. I know, I'm a googlele bitch for this. So I had to go through a whole like initiation to divorce, offerings, libations, prayers. I mean, this was with a group of people basically divorcing myself from this spirit.

What after that happened it stopped?

Was there a prenup?

There's always a prenup? Baby, I also had to receive another shrine. I have a shrine that kind of protects me from that specifically.

So when these encounters would happen, were you able to be like, I'm in the mood for my husband to come over tonight and like call him up, or would it just always be like a sneak attack. There was a short.

Period where I was like, well, maybe I just see what this is about. Honestly, I was like, I mean he's protecting me, he's been with he's loyal. I've needed somewhat loyal.

Yeah, things are going.

Well in my life. Sometimes I was like, well, hey, I'm lonely, Like what you doing?

You know?

I would, but.

Not in a sense of like trying to like have sex or necessarily, but like I don't know. I did have a relationship with a spirit, like a romantic relationship. It wasn't fully consensual, but there were times where I was like I was open to it for sure.

Yeah, I didn't feel bad about it.

I just was like, I'm not I can't know. It's a little too much for me where let's get divorced.

When I hear like these sexual encounters that people have with ghosts, the first thing I always think of is the consent aspect of it, because it seems like you wouldn't be able to. But then again, a lot of the time that I hear about this, people say it's amazing it is that maybe they didn't ask for it. But and I'm sure that a lot of times people are like, is this really happening or is this just

Yeah, that's exactly. I'm like, maybe I'm just like really freaky, like maybe this is me. Maybe I just have some kind of imagination. It was like, no, it kept happening around the same time, night after night.

Okay, so we know that he's single, he's single, he's loyal.

What do I gotta do?

Maybe I call him.

I don't know what he's up to. After I went through that ritual, wants to get rid of him. I really have not heard from him, so he could have moved on. I don't know. He might not be single, but he stayed with me for clearly hundreds of years.

So wow, that is commitment.

Commitment.

Oh that's kind of hot.

But was ruining my relationship. But I will say this is a lot more common than people think. And even if a spirit is not having sex with you, various traditions throughout the world have some concept of explaining this very thing, like a spirit partner.

It's really interesting.

So if your relationships are kind of messed up, it could be you, but it could be your spirit partner sabotaging your love life.

Never know, interesting or yeah, or it could just be you are horrible at dating people.

Absolutely.

Yeah. Well, one more question I have about that is there are ways to sort of conjure up these experiences, right, Like can't people invite this sort of a thing, because that's what I was thinking of when you were talking about the possession, Like you can you can have like

Oh yeah, I mean you can summon anything. You can summon anything, so yeah, you can summon spirit sex. I don't recommend it, but cause you just never know. But yeah, and I think people do sud me. I feel like I've read or seen something on TV of someone who maybe summoned a ghost and got married to.

It or something like that.

Oh yeah, but yeah, a lot of times those people are summoning that energy.

See. That's what I'm afraid of, is like, you can't control it the way you can a real man. Okay, at least me I can control. I can have a man wrapped around my finger, perious. Okay. However, with a ghost man, this is what it would happen to me. It would be like some horrible eighties comedy movie where I would be in a business meeting and then that's when he would show up. And I would be like, yeah, so according to the records, that's what would happen to me.

Okay, give me your qualifications.

Oh yeah, absolutely, I will Juju. This is pretty much yet this has been great.

So great, this was fine.

It's such a crazy thing that we were found, we were put together, and we've had such a cool experience. And I feel so safe around you. I will say, you're on my roster of people that I have. If some shit goes down, okay, with the other side, I'm calling you up, whether you like it or not. So in that sense, I feel very safe. All these times I've been in these haunted house locations, I'm like, if Juju's here, I'm fine. So like it or not, you're a part of this over here.

We're in it to win it, honey, gladly anytime.

And now we're about to be a TV stars together. How do you feel about that?

I mean, I feel pretty good about it because I feel like it's part of all of our destinies to have this happen.

So it's like good.

But also, you know a lot of things come with it and you can't prepare for it like you can, but you can't. So I'm just kind of just being open to the experience and hopefully we can just keep talking to the dead people and the ghosts and the spirits.

I'll be good. I'll be good with that. I'll be good with that. Yeah.

Well, tell people where they can find you and all the things that you do.

Okay, Well, you can find me on pretty much everything at it s j u j u b a e ith jiuju Bai.

I also have a podcast.

We're currently on hiatus, but if you are interested in learning more about the hoodoos and the voodoo and some of the orisha and the shrines and all the spiritual stuff I've been talking about. It's called a Little Juju Podcast, so you can check that out wherever streaming is.

Oh yeah, I'm.

Working on a book that comes out right now. It's projected of spring twenty four, so we've got a little bit of time. But I actually just turned in my manuscript today, first draft of my manuscript, so that's wonderful.

So yeah, I'll have things. Just follow me.

It's Jujube or jujuba on everything jj bae. I might be doing readings, I might not. I'm off and on and living for the dead. Huney for the dead. Honey, we're living for the dead.

Well, thanks g thank you, Rosie.

This was fun.

Ah, thank you so much. Juju Bai, isn't she something? She is somebody that can make me laugh so hard because she's not she's not like me. She's not on these people that's always just running their mouth. She is one of those people that when she talks, oh my god, it counts the same goes with her humor. She will just be sitting quiet, all of us, you know, little roosters and hands are clucking away, and then all of a sudden, Juju will say one thing and it's the

Came back.

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