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What's that at bed? It's spooky. Hey, I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute, I said, I Nandez. P Hey boo, it's me Raz and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I like to talk to people that I like about things that make me chew off my very expensive coffin tip nails. They're gel x, but they're gorgeous. Anyway. I am so excited.

Well, I'm originally from Stephens Point, Wisconsin, and I was a town. I went to college there and when my friends is from Milwaukee herself, and she was going to move into the house with me. It's a double story house. We were living on the first floor. There was an upstairs in the basement. It's kind of important how you visualize this because one of my friends, Joanne, was living upstairs from us. Lisa and I were on the ground

And at this point, are you paying the electric bill to yes? Okay, that would piss me off.

And it was very strange because I was thinking that Joanne either moved in beforehand or some so I'm like, oh, whatever. And on occasion i would hear someone going up and down the stairs and maybe it was Joanne like being there or whatever. And then Joanne called me a week afterwards or a weekend and she's all like, hey, Roy, I'm just letting you and I'm gonna be moving in and when is Lisa gonna move in? And I'm like, what do you mean You're not here already and she's

Did you ask if they were hot?

She said one of them was yeah, young farm hand type.

Oh my god, I don't.

I don't and she goes the other one reminded her of a preacher. Yeah right, It's all very strange. People ask me like, why did you not move? And I was like, rent was cheap and it was a cool place to live. It was really nice. A year goes by, things are happening on occasion, like what, well, okay, we have like water spots on the kitchen floor that keep on appearing and disappearing, like we have to continue to wipe them off, and they're in different places every time,

And you have no memory of that.

No, not at all.

So are you guys like freaked out at this point? Are you just like whatever? It's just kind of weird and it's cheap. How are you feeling?

Yeah, it's all very strange. Like I've had stuff happen with me before. And the thing is is, I've come to not respect ghosts or spirits, but I know that they don't mean ill harm usually, or at least I think they don't, because I think they're just going through stuff maybe, or they don't even though that we're there. Maybe. But up until that point, with Lisa's name and using me as a vessel basically to talk to them, I'm like, well, What's what's going on here? This is not usual stuff.

But also with Fred and Janet and the guys going into the bathroom, it almost is giving like portal vibes, Like it seems like what if your bathroom was a portal?

Well, right, yeah, there's other stuff that went on, and it might explain something like that took the pinnacle, stuff that happened with us to get stuff acted more seriously. Sometimes I would go from one room to the other room and I'd see a figure in the corners.

Sometimes what do you mean, like what kind of figure?

Like I could see an image, an image, a shadow. Yeah, I would see this on occasion, especially when I'm going through from my room to the living room, so like, yeah, just hanging around basically in a corner. Do you figure like maybe it was a lamp or it looked like a lamp, but we don't have no lamp. There so like a look like that. And then we had to watch my mom's dog once and he would not go into my room and sit there and whine. So there

Okay, My current theory right now is that your shower was a portal, your shower or your toilet, and I would explain the wet drops, the wet footprints, or whatever it was that you were seeing, and that's somebody that was knocking on the door. That's like I'm trying to get in there because I'm trying to cross over. I am done in Milwaukee for now. I'm going back to the other side. Hurry up, it's my turn. And you're showering. That's what I think.

You figure that. It's so nuts rise. I just can't what happened next. It was like something was ordained or was faded. This next thing prompted me to get help. And I didn't know. I didn't know it was going to be this. I was having a dream and I remember going through a plate glass window in my dream. In reality, my bedroom light above my head shattered and fell next to my head. It was then that I was like this could have done me harm, Like this

Weird.

Yeah, so that's like Nope. I'm actually getting chills just talking about it still, because I'm like, that's that's nuts.

But you got so lucky that it missed you. I'm sure the ghosts were pissed, right, they're probably do you know how much power it took us to unscrew this right thing? And now it missed by just a few inches, damn it.

I went to work that weekend and there was a local occult store that was in town and I always went in sensor like chat with the owner and stuff. For some reason, she's working at the shop. Call I was at. I've never saw her before in my store, and I'm like, there's a reason why she's here, right, So I go over to her and I said, Diane, I said, there's something going on at my house, and she stopped me. She's like, don't tell me anything. She's like,

Ow.

Yeah, And they said that what fills to them with the bathroom door is it used to be a downstairs stairs and it was a new bathroom because they probably an outhouse or something. It was an old farmhouse, so they probably converted that back into the bathroom. And then that was another way downstairs because they felt that there was a passage like what you said, the portal or something like. Maybe they thought it was still the stairs.

And what kind of stuff happened down there for you?

And that was where our laundry was basically, and there was an old abandoned apartment. At one point there was a refrigerator and it moved from one part to the other part, and we didn't think anything of it, but like afterwards were like, maybe something was moving down there too.

It moved the refrigerator from one side to the other.

Right, like one day it was in the corner, one day it was in the middle of the room. We didn't really think anything of it, but like as things happened, we're like, well that is strange.

Yeah, that's not normal.

It's not normal. But you know, you put two into together and it's not until afterwards it's like that did happen. And they went back upstairs. Whereas they tried to move the ghosts along, they could not make them leave. They're like, well, they want to stay here. The girls tied to the place too, They're going to be here. All said well, thanks for thanks for coming.

Thanks for terrifying met well.

And then and confirming what you know, the men and everything was it was all right there. I just felt bad for Lisa because she missed it. She came home and she's like, what happened. I'm like, they tried to make them leave, but they didn't and I was like, I'm sorry, and she's like, well, I do have my wija board. That night, Lisa and I we lit some candles, we grounded ourselves, we got some positive energy. We weren't

I mean, yeah, this is like a perfect ghost story.

I've been skeptical stuff too, like, oh, come on, really ghosts, but like when you actually are in it too.

No, that's torment. I mean to have to worry about something falling on your head in the middle of the night and you never know when's going to come and go, and it's just that's no way to live. However, it is great for a podcast. So you ended up just moving out, right. Do you know if the ghosts stuck around or what?

Okay, we asked the friends who were there before and the people afterwards. Nothing no stories, no wraps on the doors, no images, no objects, nothing, nothing at all. I don't know why they picked me and Lisa and Tamera saw them. You know, I have no idea, but nothing happened.

Interesting.

I think that sometimes ghosts or spirits want to connect with us to tell their story, or they just don't know what's going on. I don't know what this was.

There's no rhyme or reason. That's the thing. I mean, even if we think we have figured it out, like who really knows, there's so much mystery and that's the fun of it. That's why I like this stuff. I don't think it would be fun if we knew. I know, right, well, Roy, this has been great. Thank you so much for doing this.

You're welcome.

I am obsessed with Roy's story. I mean, the five psych GICs that were like, h you're on your own bye, so funny. I'm also obsessed with making this into a movie. Okay, I'm thinking Austin Butler as the male farm hand, Martin Short as the man in the suit, Danny DeVito as Fred. I'm thinking Rosie Perez is playing what was her name? Janet Jennifer Coolidge as the talking fan, and of course starring me as Lucia, the girl in the stairs. Okay, now you're not gonna believe this my next caller is

Oh, we got Jeffrey Dahmer.

Jeffrey Dahmer.

Okay, yeah, it geans a little bit further north. We've got Trixy's Bar.

Trixie Mattel has a bar there. I believe Trixy's from there. Yep, Trixie Mattel and Jeffrey Dahmer.

Yeah, We've got a lot of old stuff, lots of haunted buildings.

So I don't know.

I feel like everyone I've met Milwaukee has at least one ghost story or is like a third degree to Jeffrey Dahmer.

So how many degrees are you from Jeffrey Dahmer.

I'm a lot of them because I'm not actually from here. Oh, okay, I moved for college.

So well, what has happened to you? In the paranormal sense? I hear there's a poltergeist story we could talk about.

Yeah.

I grew up in like a rural part of southwest Wisconsin. We got nothing but cows and farms and bars UFOs. I've never seen one, but I could see it happening out in all those cornfields we got plenty. I'm sure they're zooming around somewhere.

Yeah.

But I grew up really close to Dubuke, Iowa, which is like right on the Mississippi River.

It was like the nearest quote unquote city.

I don't know if i'd really give Dubuke like a full city moniker myself, but it had a target and a movie theater, so we're like, oh my god, city.

That's something.

Does that count a little some something?

And when I came out in high school, I started dating somebody who lived in Dubuque in like you know, one of those kind of bland Midwest mass created neighborhoods where all the houses are like pretty new, so you know, you assume you're like, oh, there's not gonna be a ghost here, Like this house was built in like two thousand and nine. Nothing's going to be here. That's how they get you, That is how they get you, the suburban gets you.

Have you not seen paranormal activity?

I know it should have been my first clue.

There was a lot of clues amongst this relationship that maybe I should have like seen the signs. But their house was insanely haunted, almost from like the.

First time that I slept over.

There was fairly apparent that like something was happening in this like curated, nice Midwest home covered in crosses that like doors would swing open, like those flat handled doors where you can like watch it pull down, not just like a twisting up like flat handled doors that you'd watch push down and fly open and slam shut, like right in front of you, broad daylight, nothing happening, and you're the only person in the house, Like.

Now did you bring this up? Were you like, hey, I think your place is haunted? Or did they tell you or what?

So the setup of this like Boltergeist. The person I was dating and their brother were Irish twins, so they're like, you know, exactly like nine months apart, back to back, and they were a little bit older than me, so I'm the same age as their brother, and my best friend was dating their brother. So we were there a lot and all of us were kind of like, yeah, weird stuff keeps happening in the house.

Like doors, and like there was just kind of that like ominous, heavy.

Feeling, like you walk in and you're like, oh, like something is watching me, and something is not super pleased that we're here, and it's not pleased about what we're doing, and like it was just very apparent. And there was like certain rooms that weren't as bad, but like the hallways especially, like I remember having to pee in the middle of the night and being like, oh my god, I have to walk down the scary, scary hallway, like is it worth it?

And the answer is.

Like adult diapers.

Yeah, Well it's one of those things where you're like, oh god, Like it's the dread of having to like go out to that dark hallway where you like don't know what you're gonna see. And that was the feeling, like all the time the house was like I'm going to turn a corner and like what am I going to see? You just always felt like you were going to see something or like something was There.

Was there a theory of what this was caused.

By, So me and one of my friends went to like a psychic at some point at a debut convention like in a hotel with a water park, like a convention hall, and she almost immediately was like, you girls have seen something. She was like on it, and she's like, I think that you've experienced a poltergeist of someone you know. And we were like, oh my god, and this is

But there was this like one particular night of sleeping in their room.

You know, because you get away with sleepovers when you're gay and you're in high school.

It's just a normal sleepover.

We're hanging out, Yeah, mom and dad, we're just gonna talk about boys and.

We're just friends. Is fine. Oh my parents at the time, did did know?

I think they were just like, well, well, we can't tell her she can't have sleepovers at all, because what will it do, you know? Right, I definitely got away with it for that reason, just them not wanting to

Wanted to steer his mind somewhere else.

So I remember like waking up and I'm I'm an inside of the bed person, so I'm like really close to the door, and I can like see it, like I'm on the wall parallel to the door, so it's going to like open, and I would see the full like backside of the door for wor to open, and it's open like just a crack for the cats coming

It is like who are you talking to?

And I'm like, oh, your brother's here, and they're like, now he's not, because at the time their brother was in rehab like four states away, three states away, like hours away.

My tired brain.

Kind of shook off that like sleepiness. That was like, oh, I saw him. He was right there. And as I like thought about it more, I was like, oh, it did feel bad, Like it felt like his evil twin almost, and like now you see all those things about like doppelgangers, So it did kind of like really throw me off. I was like, oh, my god, did I see him? Was I imagining it? Did I see someone else? But like in my memory, it's just him with like a very vacant smile, just standing in the crap of the door,

This is so interesting because I have talked to a number of people about this idea of a ghost of a living person and astral projection, and that's sort of a thing, but when you throw addiction into it, and I mean, I'm eight and a half years sober and I know a lot about addiction, and a lot of times when you're struggling with that, it's like you don't have control of yourself.

Yeah.

Now I don't know if what that has to do with your spirit or whatever, but it's like I could see that part of you being detached from your physical part.

Of you absolutely, and the spirit seem to have very different like intentions for each of us who are in the house a lot, because it's a long time girlfriend and I were best friends and so like she was there a lot, like we were all friends.

So even if he wasn't like she was there.

And the ghost, to the poultrygeist, the spirit, whatever it was, did not fuck with her. It was like not happy with her when she was in the house, but it was always fine with me. It never apparently bothered their parents because they never once said anything to us about it. We were always kind of like kind of we're that door open, and they'd be like, what are you talking about?

Huh.

I don't know if it.

Was like we pretend we do not see or they were very religious, so it could have also been the like, if it's not within this like realm we want to believe in, we're just gonna.

Shut it out kind of thing.

Or maybe because we were like younger because this was in like sixteen seventeen kind of range.

Well, it kind of seems like it's his, that sneaky side of him or something, you know that maybe doesn't want the parents to see that side.

Yeah.

Absolutely, just like a little like a tinge darker because it always was like it's him but off.

Like I don't think any of us would ever.

See it and would have been like, oh, he's really here, because it always felt like so ominous, all of the joy and all of like the interesting parts of him that like you could maybe feel more gravitated towards.

It was like unsettling the thing with Poulter.

Guys, It's like people, you know a lot of times associate that with like hormonal changes and yeah, lots of chaos in someone's life. It's sort of this telekinetic manifestation of some sort and I want it so bad. Okay, I'm over here transitioning and they tell me that that's like second puberty, and I'm over here just like, how many hormones do I need to take until I can start lift? And shut up with my brain?

Where is my polsergeist?

I want to full on Matilda the shit, Like, I just want to sit on my couch just do all of my chores with my brain. I keep trying, trust me, I'm squeezing. I squeeze.

You're like, I'm with for my shortstop. While I sit, I'm like, oh, I would spook so many peop Oh yeah, growing stuff off shelves.

I would do that, moving.

Things slightly, just to freak them out.

A little bit.

Since my life has to always be like some kind of cheesy comedy or something. I would probably tie their shoelaces together, and then when they stand up, they trip. I'd be giving people wedgies. With my brain, I'd be doing all kinds of shit.

It's interesting to mention shoelaces because whatever was in their house would also steal shoelaces. What I had just called my best friend who was his girlfriend, and I was like, oh, I'm gonna be on a podcast and I talk about their house. And she was like, oh, bring up the shoelaces because I'm still pissed that it took all the shoelaces. And I was like, the shoelaces because I'm a slip on shoegirl, always have been hate telling a shoelace.

So I was like, I never had shoelaces stolen, and she's.

Like no, Like it would take the shoelaces out of our Doc Martins and like we would never find them.

Oh wow, and Doc Martin's that's a long that's a laced up boot.

Yeah, And I was like, oh my god, I forgot about that because their mom would always blame it on the cats.

They had seven cats, which is arguably too many cats.

Yeah wow.

And so it's pretty easy to be like yeah, yeah, no, no, the cats would steal the shoelaces. But then I think about my stupid son and if I could imagine him untying a shoelace, And the answer is now, I don't think he has the commitment, and I don't think any of their cats would have the commitment for like multiple shoelaces.

And then she was like, no, don't you remember like we were in the basement that one.

Day and we found a pile of shoelaces, And I was like, we did. We fully were in their basement once and just found like a small mound of like loose, single shoelaces.

What was that all about?

And so unless the cats were running a complicated operation, the ghost wanted our shoelaces. It was like, you guys, can't leave, or at very least, we're gonna like ruin your day.

But was there other stuff happening? Like were there things moving? I know you said the doors.

The doors would open and close a lot. The alarm clocks.

Would synchronize every once in a while, and only ever if it was like just me and his girlfriend, like house sitting.

What do you mean they would synchronize.

Like they would all go off at the same time, usually like two in the.

Morning, three in the morning, classic, you know, the spooky hour when it like has the best impact on you when you're alone in a big dark house and.

You have to go run and turn them all off.

Weird.

We did have an instance where like we found child blocks set up in the basement with a message like they had been pulled out of a box and like

What was the message with the blocks.

There was a point in time where he ended up overdosing and going to the hospital and was in intensive care, and I was the only person in the house, Like I got left there to mend the cats, hang out with them while they all went.

Off to the hospital.

And I was in the basement the day before. Nothing in the basement, nothing weird, normal. We went down two days later to get a board game to kind of like take our minds off of the chaos going on, and on a table at the base of the stairs that was like empty the day before, or at very least I hadn't noticed, which I find it hard to believe. I like wouldn't notice this because it was very obvious and very creepy. There's a set of blocks that said I see you, like just the letter I, the letter

So they're like not someone who's in my life anymore.

I wish I could be like, hey, is your house still haunted.

I'm so curious.

Yeah, and it's like, I know, I've talked about this before with how people say addiction is you know your demons, And yeah, it definitely seems like a dark energy is taking over. I mean there's so much beyond just oh, you do a substance all the time, Like there's a lot of darkness that goes on with it and why you do it and what it's doing to you and whatever.

At like sixteen too, a lot of big emotions. Oh yeah, Like I work with teenagers.

Now, I'm so sorry.

I like them.

I don't know, there's something about him. I'm a substitute teacher, I work in the schools.

I like them.

Yeah, I hear these ones are pretty good. I hear we figured out the right batch.

I don't know about that.

I think there's there's some quirks in there. But being I'm only twenty four, so it's like it's not like I'm half far removed, but I feel as though my frontal lobe has fused, more like I can feel it fusing. I talked as like sixteen fifteen year olds. I'm like, oh, you everything is the end of the world. You're very dramatic and they feel very deeply, which I enjoy working with. It's an interesting like thing to dip a toe back into. But I'm like, wow, I'm so glad that I have.

A little bit more composure and sense about me than I did maybe when I was sixteen.

Well, some of us are still there. Okay, we have a couple more minutes. Do you have any there's spooky stories or anything paranormal of that nature.

I have a fun one. Oh, it's like partially sad, partially fun.

Okay.

My dad passed when I was sixteen, which is the sad part of the story. He passed very, very suddenly, and like none of us are really prepared.

My family is my dad, my mom.

And then I have two older sisters as well, and I'm the youngest, so I was the only one who still lived at home, and we had this like a full big house in the woods that my mom wanted to sell, mostly because she was like, your father picked the house and I am not mowing that goddamn yard, which is fair. It was a huge hill, I could see it. She was like, I don't want to live in the big house by myself. She needed to downsize.

And at the time, we had a really old dog. She was very sweet. She had three legs.

So my mom ended up taking a bedroom downstairs so she could like stay with the dog more so like they could like sleep together because they liked it.

And so I ended up moving.

Into their master bedroom that like last couple months I was there because we were redoing my hideous childhood room so the house is better to sell. And my mom was always complaining like those last couple of years, like the lights in her bathroom flickered all the time.

She was like, we got to get fixed before we sell the house.

Like every time I'm in there and I'm looking at the vanity, like the lights are flickering, and I was like Okay.

Then I took over her room and I'm in that bathroom all the.

Time, and I'm like, the lights never flicker for me, Like Mom's losing it, and she was like no, I swear, and we had an electrician out.

I changed the light bulbs, like we tried everything.

I like stood in there and like jumped, like trying to get them to flicker, being like, maybe what maybe it's like shaking in the house, Like what's triggering it.

She's like, every time I take a shower, the lights flicker.

I jokingly was like, maybe Dad just likes when you flash in the bathroom, Like maybe that's what it is.

And then she was like, well, now I'm going to test it.

And it was like only ever if my mom was in the bathroom did they flicker, Like no one else had this experience.

Weird.

So we're pretty convinced that he was haunting the bathroom. And now my mom in her new.

House, is convinced that he is haunting her.

Fire alarms, which I will say that they do do weird things, like we've changed the batteries, we've replaced them fully, like they do flash at times when they're not supposed to, and mostly in like reaction to things like when she's entering the room sometimes they'll flash, or like if she's having a really sad day, says that they flash more. And I was visiting with all my friends and you're staying there to go to a house in the Rock, which is a very cool attraction in Wisconsin.

And I had my.

New partner, who's like a much more serious, very like wonderful person in my life that unfortunately, like my dad, will never get to meet. And my mom wakes us up at like five thirty in the morning. It is like crack of dawn. She comes running into the room, freaks us both out. We're like, oh my god, hello, no knock, just enters and it's like it's doing it. The lights are going off. You have to come talk to your father. And I was like, oh okay, like

Okay, so what happened when you said that?

I was like, Hey, Dad, I'm going to marry a Bears fan.

Immediate red light, like immediate red light flashing in the fire alarm that was previously doing nothing. I think that he's just kind of hanging around doing what he would have done in life, which is bullying me about wanting to marry a Bears fan and checking out my mom.

Which fits his personality like very very well.

Wait it says here he moves his urn and he's released butterflies in the house.

So my dad was a big man, who's like six ' to two, big guy, and when he died, because it was so sudden, we were like looking for urns. I don't know if you've had to buy like an urn, but they're ugly. They don't make them pretty. And my mom was like, oh, oh, I have a thing of the basement. She's very Midwest mom energy, and she was like,

People aren't like, oh my god, a cookie jar, like put their hand in it.

But I swear every time I come home the cookie jar has like slightly rotated so that you can definitely see cookies. And when I was in high school it happened way more often. And I was like this, And he is a person who I'm like, oh, he would want somebody to shove their hand in the cookie jar and get nothing, but ash he'd think it was hilarious.

That is hilarious. I would do that.

It definitely like tracks for him that he would be like, he I'm a get them twist the cookie jar.

Oh my god, you're giving me an idea for when I pass. I want to demand in my will that I'm putting a cookie jar.

And then my mom has found those like little yellow butterflies.

I don't know what they're called or if they have a special name, but there are those like really light, tiny yellow ones that you get kind of in like the early summer.

She will find them.

And we're in Wisconsin, so like winter meets business, and when it's winter it is like winter. She has more than once found them just sitting in her house in the middle of winter, like alive, like chillin', just floating around.

The first one she.

Found was right after we came back from the hospital because my grandfather, who is my dad's dad, died on the same day that my dad did two years after.

Because I don't they wanted to be dramatic, I don't know.

The timing of it felt very like on brand for them to be like, we're just gonna pick the same day it was.

It was just such an odd coincidence.

But we came home from all of that and my mom found like a perfect alive yellow butterfly just sitting in her kitchen. So now she keeps her eye ou for yellow butterflies because they just keep popping up in our house like the middle of winter.

That's cute.

Also, like a beautiful way to haunt. If you're gonna get haunted.

I'll take that over the first story you told me. Oh my god.

Definitely the difference between like bad haunting good haunting.

Totally. Well, Eleanor, thank you. This has been wonderful. Thanks so much for doing this. Absolutely, thank you Eleanor for showing us the different kinds of experiences one can have with the other side. It can be dark, and it can be cute and fun. And I love to hear about stories that make me feel like when I pass, I can still be hilarious. Can you imagine me in a little cookie jar? Come get these cookies? Okay? Next up Dane from Toronto, who's gonna take us to an

Hi Roz. Thanks so much for having me.

Oh, thanks for doing this. So I was reading this email you sent me and it says here you went to a place called rolling Hills Asylum. What were you doing there?

I mean, it wasn't probably my best moment, but I agreed to do this overnight ghost hunt and it's like a bit of a private tour. So why I decided that was a great idea, I don't know, but I have a good story out of it.

So was it something where you like slept there or what?

So they call it an overnight, but you're really not sleeping there. It's basically like they give you free reign of the place to sort of go through and explore and like do whatever you want, and you stay till like three am, So it's not really overnight, but you go there with the intention of sort of exploring and hoping for some type of ghost encounter.

Okay, so how many people were you with?

So I was with my best friend Jamie and then her friend Jill and her now ex husband.

And were there like other people that bought a ticket to do this or was it just you guys?

No, it's just us because it's sort of set up as like a private tour situation. So how it works is you show up and there's one person who works there to sort of meet you, and they take you around the facility and they sort of show you everything and then they just sort of like let you go, and then you just do whatever you want for the rest of the.

Time, and then they just count their mind and an office somewhere and.

Go suckers yep, pretty much.

Okay, so you're doing this thing.

What happens.

So this was probably let's say twelve thirty or so at night, and I had like this great idea. So we're not like professional like ghost explorers, like super interest in it, but like we really don't know what we're doing. And I thought it would be a brilliant idea to bring my iPad in a tripod and I was gonna like set it up and record and see if we

And I said, well, this is perfect. I'm goen it's set up my iPad.

We're gonna go sort of walk around other places and then we'll come back and like check the footage and sort of see what happened.

Now.

Needless to say, setting an iPad up in a dark hallway, like you're not getting anything but a black didn't think about that at the time, but so we set up the iPad.

The three of us leave, so Jamie, Jill, and I leave.

Jamie's husband at the time was just in this little base camp room like on the main level, just sort of hanging out. We're walking around the place. We come back to the hallway to go pick up the iPad, right, so I look, and we had flashlights and we're at one end of the hallway and I could see the beam of the flashlight hitting the back end of the hallway, but there's something that's sort of blocking it. There's something that's in between where I'm standing with the flashlight and

So I'm looking.

Closely trying to figure out what it is, and it's this black shape and it was really pitch black, like it was super dark, so the flashlight wasn't really illuminating it. It was sort of like the flashlight was going around it and you could see a border of what the shape looked like, and it was so dark it was it was almost like so black that it was like sucking in the light in that space, and the shape of it it sort of looked like a person was

As they're sort of looking out. So it was sort of like that. So it was really like.

Leaning out and you could see what looked to be an upper torso sort of shoulders ahead, and then what looked to be like very very long straight hair just sort of hanging down.

Ah.

Right, So I'm looking at it and I'm like, like, what is this. It probably happened in one or two seconds, but it felt like it was much much longer. Jamie was the first person to speak, so then she goes like what is that? And then Jill's like, I don't know, and I'm still looking. I still like can't even speak. And then all of a sudden and it just like popped back into the room and just disappeared, and at that moment, the light you could see like the full beams.

So then we go and get Jamie and.

We're like, describe what you saw, and she described exactly what I saw. So I don't know what it was, but whatever it was, I know that we all saw the same thing.

Yeah, they need to make ponytail rubber bands for ghosts, right, because these girls love to have their hair just flowing down in front of their face, and I don't like that. As a person with long black hair, I don't like

It was almost flat in a sense, because like I couldn't make out any features just because of how dark it was. But it was like almost like a sheet of hair. There was no like sexiness going on. There was no like, oh, here's.

My hair flat, no wind blowing in.

Yeah, And it was.

Very very like straight hair like there was no like wave or curl, like never picked up a curling iron, you know.

Like it was just all of the hair sort of together.

One big solid mass. Oh that's too bad.

Yeah, I mean I do think they should give them like a little kit some things you could change up your look.

You're not stuck.

Also, like these ghosts probably live in their rooms. You know, there's all these different rooms in that building, and they're probably like, all right, who's here tonight? What kind of bullshit's gonna happen? Oh, these people have an iPad. Oh this is gonna be fun. Say that they're not going to record anything, Like, can you guys just keep it down, I'm trying to sleep in here, That's what I imagine. So was that sort of like the main thing that happened or did you guys have other things happen?

There was other stuff that happened. But I feel like sometimes like I totally believe in ghosts, but sometimes I don't believe that I actually have experiences. So it's sort of this weird space but we were doing this thing with a mag light. You're supposed to turn it like you turn the top of it so it goes on and off. And if you turn it just to the point where it goes off, and then you sort of like bang it on your hand to make sure it's not going to turn back on, and then you just

Right, you can have it sort of just right where if you just touch it it'll turn on basically.

Yeah.

Yeah, So we had that like in a few rooms and we're sort of like asking questions and the light would turn on and off. But again, it's just one of those things where I question, is there something else that's doing it?

Is there not?

Is there actually something here? But seeing that shadow was the main thing that we had seen that night.

Well, you got your money's worth, right, So what happened to you? In Paris?

I was on vacation with a boyfriend and we stayed in this airbnb and this was in the Opera Quarter sort of section. It was sort of like a studio apartment but there was a separate bedroom, but then everything else was in the main room, like living room.

Shower, like everything else.

At the time, I was in school, so I needed to meet with some classmates on a paper that we were working on. But of course, like for me, it was one am and it was much earlier for them. So my boyfriend was sleeping in the other room. I had the door closed, we met worked on the paper.

Did your boyfriend have anything to say about it.

Well, he totally does not believe in ghosts, so he just thinks I hallucinated it.

This is one of those situations where Okay, fine, maybe you didn't feel creeped out, but like that sounds like some creepy foot fetish ghost like person that died and now they come back looking like cigarette smoke and they're like, ooh, I'm going to touch whoever's feet are renting this place, right, And then you busted them.

Yeah, and then it was like okay, fine, I'll have to go. The weird thing, too, is my boyfriend never sleeps with like his feet exposed, like out of the blanket, but for whatever reason, like that night, like his feet were actually out of the blanket like at the bottom, So like, I don't know if this ghost like took the blanket back.

Yes, of course, I bet you that ghost took his little cigarette smoke fingers and did that thing where they kind of twiddled their finger two hands together like ooh, I got one right, and then they slowly took the sheet off and then they're like, here I go, I'm about to tickle these feet. And then you came in and they're.

Like foot blocked.

Right, I'll have as a foot blocker to a ghost.

Damn well, Dane, this has been great.

Oh, thank you.

Thanks for sharing your stories with me. Ooh QE. That was weird, but thank you so much, Dane. Now my final caller, what are the chances of this? Now? Also from Toronto, here's Lisa with a whole bunch of different stories. Take it away, Lisa. I am now joined by Lisa in Toronto. Hi, Lisa Hiras, what the heck did you send my email? There's some spookin us here? Tell me what you got.

Well, I guess it's this stream that I want to tell you about. And I know it's kind of silly to tell people about dreams. When I was thirteen or so, my grandpa passed away. In the last few years that I knew him. He wasn't able to speak very clearly, but he was always really happy to see me and my mom when we visited. So when he passed away, I went to his funeral with my mom and then we spent the night with my grandma. They slept in

Okay, my grandparents did that too. Really, I think it was definitely a generational thing. Honestly, I'm meant to it like if I'm just sleeping and all of a sudden I feel a hand touched me, I of course assume that it's a dmon here to take me away, But okay, go on.

So I slept in my grandpa's bed. I don't know why that was the choice. I could have slept on the couch, but I slapped in my grandpa's bed. I felt a little weird about it, but I did it because I was thirteen and I was told to. And that night I had a very vivid and intense dream. It really made an impression because I can still remember the overall feeling of it, and the feeling was of

She's really shocked.

But then she says the crazy thing, which is that my grandpa in his last days used to talk about little people in the house and that they would follow him around and they would move things, and they would pinch him and they would harass him. And he used to talk about that. Apparently I had never heard of it.

Whoa. So it's like they were probably so used to entering whoever was in that bad dream state and they were like, wait, this isn't him. Let's get out of here. They like busted out of the home and maybe never came back.

Yeah, maybe, yeah, because I remember that last moment of the dream, the whole and them disappearing through it, and I remember a feeling of oh yeah, they're going, yeah, this is super surreal.

Whoa.

And I've never really had a dream or that kind of sleep brollis this thing that people talk about. I've never experienced that before or since. So that was kind of wild.

These little, tiny, little toddler demons were they like a little bit cute.

Not even no, no, it was like check. It was like chucky ish, you know.

Oh okay ooh tell me more, tell me more. Do you have other stories?

I wanted to tell you about this island. So I grew up in Trinidad, and when I was eighteen or so, I was part of an environmental group and we did beach cleanups. So we used to go to this island off of Trinidad, a small island called Shaka Shikari, so it's completely uninhabited. In the past it had been a leper colony, so it was an abandoned leper colony.

Oh wow.

Now it's completely uninhabited. They're just like a few beaches. It's a dry island, so there's no fresh water, so there's not like anybody living there at all. The Coastguard would drop us off for a few days. We'd clean up the beaches and then they'd pick us up with all of our supplies and our garbage. On the island. As we approach, you'll see that there are three buildings. Is a very mountainous island, and so really there's three main buildings on the island that are all in a row.

A nunnery, a church, a nunnery in a hospital. Okay, and they're just completely uninhabited at this point.

Completely uninhabited.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're like old colonial style buildings. And when we would go, we wouldn't go with tents and stuff. We'd go with our sleeping bags and stuff and stay in the buildings. So the first few times I went, we stayed in the hospital. The hospital had these huge wrap around verandas and we stay there because it's the highest building and you could see the entire island. You could see it opening up to the ocean. It was most beautiful view and you've got lots of breeze. That's why

Yeah, there's probably so many people that suffered there, and they'd probably be excited to see some life around there, and they're probably lonely. It's probably a lot of loneliness, like both when they were living and now.

Yeah, yeah, I could believe that. The other times we camped, we could stay it in the nunnery, which felt fine, that one was safe feeling. We'd never camped in the church because the church also felt a bit forbidding. I guess it's these places where people spend a lot of mental time. Maybe you know, I can invest a lot of spirit there. I'm not sure, but it did feel different, so we never camped there.

Lissa, I am all about cleaning up the beaches. I would love to clean the beaches up. I don't use straws. You're not going to get me sleeping in an abandoned hospital on an island alone in a sleeping bag. No, that's where I draw the line. So good for you.

Fair. Yeah, everyone who went had a healthy sense that whoa, this is weird. But also it was just extremely beautiful, so it had that going for it.

I guess have you ever seen a ghost once?

Oh?

Tell me it was at my house where I grew up. There was a certain duration of time which kind of had a lot of activity in my house. I'm not super sure why. It was just a couple of years where if you were alone, you felt the temperature drop, you felt a person behind you. It was just a very unnerving period and it passed at some point, so I'm not really sure what I was about. I blame

House, nothing happens.

We're like, what was that?

But it was the craziest thing because this person did not look see through or anything. If if it wasn't completely silent, no footballs or anything, I would I would just think it was an intruder. But it wasn't.

Lisa, let me just enough time has passed. Could you just be honest with me? Did you have a young man that you were hiding in your room and your brother's axe saw it and you just you still it was a ghost. It must have been a ghost, because you don't have to keep this story going.

Oh, I wish I was not that resourceful a teenager.

You know what is so crazy is I was just talking to another listener named Eleanor who had a story that was like kind of similar to this, surrounding teen age boy and seeing the ghost of that boy while they were still alive, like a doppelganger situation through the crack of a bedroom door in the house. WHOA How old was your brother at the time?

He was in his late teens.

Okay, A random haunting that just like pops up. It's like a little pop up comes in, does it sing and then move? I'm always so curious what can cause that? Some of the leading theories it could be like you're doing some renovation on the house and it stirs up old spirits, or like this, maybe it's like a poltergeist thing or something that's like more connected to living people and manifesting in these different ways. I want to know why it just happens.

I think it had.

To do with my brother because he was very into a lot of now I feel weird to say occult, but that was what he was into. Man. He called it that himself, right. He was like really exploring some of those things. He was really in dastual objections. Certain, I mean I was younger, I didn't really listen to everything.

Did it look like him?

No, it didn't.

Didn't look like him.

He thought it had to do with him. He said that he did rituals or prayers or something to kind of purify the space, and then that was when things kind of stopped happening in the house. So I'm not sure.

Yeah, that's the thing. A lot of times when people start dabbling in that they are learning, and there's a learning curve. I don't know. If you think of any practice you're gonna mess up or you're gonna do things as you're practicing and learning it, you know, it's possible that you could be like, oh shit, I just made my whole house haunted. Okay, figure out how to get out of this one.

Oops.

Sorry guys, Yeah, yeah.

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