Debra Wilson

story about a curse in spooky Nonetheless. Now, this story has been told several times in books and on television shows, so I apologize if you've heard it before, but I'm always shocked to hear that actually a lot of people have never even heard of it. It is the curse of a tuck. And now I'm not talking about the haunted ass tuck between my legs. And yes, I am in full drag right now and I always will be

for every episode of this show that I record. Shut up, they can't see me, okay, So a tuck or a tuk? At tuck, I've heard a lot of different pronunciations at uk. It's a real movie script that has been bopping around Hollywood for decades now at this point, and according to Hollywood lore, every famous actor that has been considered for

the role died shortly after. So here's the story. In nineteen seventy seven, screenwriter Todd Carroll was commissioned by Canadian film director Norman Jewison to write a film adaptation of a book that he had just finished reading called The Incomparable Attock. I think I'm saying it wrong. At a tuck, I think is how you say it. The original book was by Mordecai Richler. Now, the story of Attuck, it sounds like the perfect nineteen seventies nineteen eighties fish out

o Water comedy. It's an Inuit hunter that is transplanted, planted to the big city. I believe it was New York City in the movie adaptation, and you know, hilarity ensues. Now. Honestly, from what I read online, it sounds like a really cute story and it's a shame that it was actually never made. But by nineteen seventy nine, Carol had done a few rewrites to the script and it was pitched

to his personal friend John Belushi. Now, actually John Belushi is who he had in mind from the start when he was first asked to adapt the book into a screenplay, and by nineteen eighty one, John Belushi was on board. But of course, in March of nineteen eighty two, at age thirty three, he was found dead of a drug overdose at the Chateau Marmont and a bungalow that some say still have his spirit checked in at So with Belushi's passing, the script was shelved for a few years.

But ooh, baby girl, that script. It was just so right that in nineteen eighty seven United Artists purchased it and offered it to one of the hottest stand up comedians in the game, Sam Kennison. So the next year they actually began production on the film, but there were issues with Kennison because he was drinking a lot and he was arguing a lot on set with crew members, and so they actually scrapped the production after filming just

one scene, just one day of production. So maybe somewhere there actually is footage of them shooting a scene from this famous movie that was never made. In nineteen ninety two, a thirty eight year old Kinnison, of course, was killed as a result of a head on collision on Interstate ninety five towards Laughlin, Nevada. But damn it, it took was just so stinking good that in nineteen ninety three,

John Candy heard about it and accepted the role. Shortly thereafter, in nineteen ninety four, Candy died in his hotel room while shooting another film, a different film that he was shooting in Durango, Mexico. He was only forty three years old. So cut to nineteen ninety six, United Artists was looking for a new lead actor. This seriously, this movie must have been so good they didn't even think like once you think at this point like, okay, there's some bad

juju going on with the script. But they were looking for another actor. And who do you think that they asked nineteen ninety six, funny guy, You guessed it, Chris Farley, And in nineteen ninety seven, at the age of thirty three, Farley died of a heart attack while consuming massive amounts of drugs. Now legend has it that Farley had actually given the script to his friend, hoping that his friend would be interested in playing the villain character. That friend,

Phil Hartman. In nineteen ninety eight, Hartman was tragically killed by his wife just before she turned the gun on herself. So what do you think coincidence or are there some other evil, dark sided, other worldly forces behind the script? There are lots of theories about what is going on there. A lot of people think that since there were actually rewrites that were done. Actually, one of the actors that I just mentioned had the entire script completely rewritten on

the day of shooting. That was Sam Kinnison, And so they think that there were different rewrites that had happened, and every time that the actor wanted to make sure it was rewritten, certain parts were rewritten. That's when problems started happening. But I don't know.

in the studio today. You know, she doesn't do that many interviews, so I feel so honored to have her. I recently met her working on this movie. It was so much fun. We really bonded, and it turns out she's like a paranormal expert. It almost seems I mean, she's done so much ghost hunting. But we also you know, you know her, you love her from Mad TV. She used to play this character Benifa Latifa Halifa Sharifa Jackson, or maybe you know her from her Whitney Houston impersonation

or Oprah just iconic, iconic. I mean, I worship her, but she doesn't like that. I say that, but you'll have to see for yourself. So we're gonna head it on over to one of my favorites, Deborah Wilson. I am joined by the Goddess herself, Deborah Wilson.

and just like laughing my ass off. I don't know why. And then I went in the next day and they said, guess who we just got Deborah Wilson, And I said, how what?

all the time. Because we're constantly, constantly sharing energy. And once we move and elevate our thought process, which is a three dimensional thing, into a higher process and resonate a higher spiritual idea and ideal, then we realize that what we're experiencing is not weird, is not kookie, is not strange, and is not paranormal. That we realize that as spirit beings in a physical vessel, that it's par for the course.

give ourselves the full credit. We make it such a generalized thing that it's no big deal. So when it comes up, it seems like it's more phenomenal than what it really is. And so I've transmuted the idea of it being phenomenal into a humbling experience and into a validating experience that I'm more than physical.

at at the time. His name was Pat Davis. I asked Pat about that because I was interested in the paranormal and I knew that that had a great history, and he began to tell me some of the history, but not all of it. And there was an attic area where they had made offices, and I went up and I went in one room and I was like, I'm feeling very uncomfortable. Don't know why, but I know that I'm feeling uncomfortable. I'm feeling edgy, I'm feeling nervous. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to

say that this is me. I'm just feeling that. Man, I need to wonder if I'm hungry, go through all the physical ideas of what might be happening, the emotional ideas of what's going on in my own head. I left the room and visited the other offices, and there were only two or three of them up in that space, and I went in one and had a conversation, had

a conversation with someone and I felt fine. I went into another room which was empty, and I felt fine, went back in that one, and again there was a sense of nervousness and anxiousness and anxiety, and I said, okay, then let me figure out again what's going on with me emotionally and on every level physically. Have I eaten? Went back into the empty room. I was fine, went back into the room, continued a conversation with someone, got up and went back in a third time, and the

anxiety level rose, in which it became overwhelming. And when it became overwhelming the energy of that space, I began to discern and disseminate what happened. I left myself open and vulnerable to whatever energy was in that space. And it wasn't necessarily a ghost, It wasn't necessarily a spiritual presence or an entity. What it was was an energy

that was left in that space. And the energy was definitely female energy, and a brutalized energy, like a woman was beaten, was heavily duty beaten in that room, mercilessly beaten and abused. That was by the third time, it was like, yeah, this is definitely a brutalized energy, a rape, and definitely brutalization, a beating. And I went back to Pat Davis, the lot manager, and I asked him about the history of the stages there because they had been

I think Warner Brothers stages originally. Don't quote me on that, but they had been studio stages in which, back in the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties, people were under contract to a studio. So you were under contract to do a number of films. And there was a secret underground passage to avoid the paparazzi and void the lookie loose and the autograph seekers when you came in, and underneath there was a bowling alley that had been closed down

and you can get into the studio. There were also places, you know why, because they wanted people to stay on the lot if you're working, and not leave the lot. And so there were a lot of what we would now call amenities, but some of those amenities were dark, meaning what they hired prostitutes. Oh sure, yeah, girls who came men who wanted to be stars and starlets, and they would succumb to sleeping with executives and succumb to

sleeping with the stars of the day. And Pat told me that that upper area was where there were spaces that were used in clandestine arrangements for the girls and the men that they were there to service. And hopefully move from that into a star position, a starlet position. A lot, give me lines and so, but they were

I found out brutalized, at least one of them was. Definitely, and she did not die in that area, but her energy, in her presence, she left an electro magnetic spectrum of energy in that space, a pocket of energy, and a lot of times an electromagnetic energy. When it either goes through a trauma, it will imprint it in that area, same thing as a static electricity. Or if you're thinking of the old fashioned cassette tapes, they have a magnetism

to them and electrons on that tape. So when you record something, the reason you can play it back is because the magnetic energy of your voice and your vocal patterns go on to that tape. Did you figure it's just tape? How can my voice go on there? But the electromagnetic spectrum they combine to a certain extent, I know the full science of sound design. But definitely it imprints itself so that you can play it over and over again, which is like a residual haunting.

stuff happening in other places. But when something is very traumatic, it can be left there and it doesn't matter whether a person has transitioned in that situation or left the situation. It can leave an imprint. It can leave an imprint.

and a Halloween special so to speak. And what we experienced as novices at the time, even regardless of all the information I knew and what I had done as a novice, with other people who were coming in and had never done it before, or who were just doing it because it was going to be a fun thing, or they were going to make some money and they were getting their name out there again, whatever their reasons for doing it, it was traumatic for a lot of us.

It was traumatic for a lot of us, and I think the producers were ill prepared to experience that, and so the way they had built the show was to be as scary as possible, to be as you know, on the edge of your seat as possible, and so they built that up psychologically, and I think that was also par for the course of what happened with a lot of people who said I can't go through with this.

They would start and then go. Their minds would take them to places, so they didn't necessarily experience anything paranormal, I believe, but what they did is their minds began to experience. And one of the celebrities that I was paired with was Evander Holyfield, who was a Christian and who didn't really believe in the paranormal or the afterlife.

In that regard, I think he believed in the afterlife as far as religion was concerned and Christianity was concerned, but as far as ghosts and hauntings, I think he was skeptical. And because he was skeptical, he didn't accept, and because he didn't accept, things that happened around him, he didn't miss, but it didn't frighten him, Okay, So he was more open to it as opposed to people who believe it. So that if the wind blows, they go, that's a ghost. If it gets a cold, you know,

there's a cold spot. And so they don't look for anything logical because nine times out of almost say nine times out of ten, but I would say seven times out of ten, there's a logical explanation. There's a scientific explanation as well.

discuss whether they believe in the paranormal or not. And of course they had cameras around shooting it in various locations there. Then eventually they had someone come in to say, here's the deal. I'm a paranormal investigator, here's the equipment, let me show you how to use it, and let me tell you about this space. And then they showed a video of what this space is about. Here's what happened in the space. I believe that some of that was made up.

love the paranormal to watch. I think they were watching getting people who wanted to see what these celebrities would do and the pairings and what they're feelings and reactions would be, and how creepy it might be. I think there were less people who are truly involved in the paranormal world as investigations, and more people who were like, I watch horror movies and I love them, and I like scary thrillers and psychological thrillers and it's Halloween time, right.

I think that was their their biggest audience. But the one thing I think that really annoyed me is that they ended up doing more shows because they said, with the footage we have, this is going to be the pace resistance so ps de resistance of our show. So let's make do more episodes. If it can go this well, let's do more episodes and we'll put them together as a limited series.

an impathic energy. No one wants to No one wants to hear empathic energy.

that's true, but I did. I'd not experience anything in that area other than the knocking and the banging, and I would follow the knocking in the banging, so it was really interesting. It would happen intermittently, and I wasn't nervous and I wasn't afraid. I just thought it was really cool that there was something that had a presence that could could manifest in a poltergeist way, in a knocking in a banging way, and I thought, really that's cool.

Leaving the area with Evander Holyfield, we just were having a conversation in general about his spirituality and his belief systems and sharing a little bit about the paranormal world with him to open him up a little if possible, and we went on other investigations throughout the night, and at one point they had me go on an investigation on my own. And then after that, which is that one was the creepiest one and I'll tell you about

that in a minute. But after coming back from that one, at the end of it, just to wrap up what you had asked the end of it, and holy Field got to the point where he was like, you know what, this is getting ridiculous, and especially with my belief system as a Christian and I personally believe that there are no such things as ghosts. That was a general idea, and that if there were, that if they asked Jesus

Christ for love and forgiveness, they can move on. That it's all about the love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ. If they accept Jesus Christ, if there is any energy out there that does that, if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, then you're gonna be fine. And he made it seem like it was black and white, and I thought, oh, okay. One part of me thought that that was okay. The other aspect of my brain said, no,

that you don't understand that. You don't understand. You don't understand when someone is brutalized the energy that they leave. You don't understand when they feel like there they can't move on because of the things that they've done, and this energy of regret, of sorrow and regret came over me, and I realized that this is not mine. And as the group was talking, I felt like I was I

needed to isolate myself. I don't know why, I just know that empathically, I felt like I was going to isolate myself, and I did, and I went in a corner. And because I allowed myself to be empathic, it continued to grow more and more. And the more I accepted that empathic energy, the more I realized that I became angry and I became upset and I was sad, and

I felt rejected. I felt dejected, I felt hopeless, I felt helpless, and I felt as if this presence that was empathically with me was saying that it's not that easy. And it felt like a female energy again, and that she had given up a belief system to become either a pay or a devil worshiper or a you know, a Satanic worshiper, and she couldn't get out of it. She wanted to and couldn't get out of it, but believed that she would never she would never make it

to heaven. She would never make it to an afterlife for what she did and who she was, and she felt tortured about that emotionally and psychologically, and it just began to become overwhelming. Emotionally, it became overwhelming, and then people looked at me and they realized that I had isolated myself, and I began crying, and they said, what's wrong? And you know what Evander Holyfield said kind of sparked it off, and she felt incensed and angry and upset.

And not only was incensed and angry and upset, but upset that we were there. Then we were there invading a space that we had no business being in, and then to judge that energy there with what he said religiously, and she let me have it because she knew that I would open up to that, and I did. And that's the first time I realized that I don't have control over that empathic thing that happens with all of us. I had no control. I wasn't professional, I wasn't grounded,

I didn't grind I didn't ground myself. I didn't do anything to ground myself spiritually, and I left myself open. And it was overwhelming and to the point where I'm like Okay, I'm starting to have difficulty breathing. You've got to get out. You've got to leave. Your message was delivered. Please leave, Leave, Leave, leave. This energy has to leave me. It has to leave me. And I was walking around and I was like, you got to get out, you got to get out. You've got to leave. You've got

to leave. The message was received, the message was received. You use my body, you use my mind. I stayed open to you empathically. You've got to get out. And of course they had cameras everywhere, because there was no professionals on the lot, no producers, no writers, no directors. They were looking at a room remote location, using cameras and moving cameras around that were that were throughout the location, so they were not there. And everyone else didn't know

what to do with me. They didn't know how to respond and how to react. It was nerve wracking. Yeah, everyone said, okay, we're done, this is over with. We're supposed to have more hours to do the show, because it was supposed to go from like three am to like six am, and people refused. They said, we're not going out on any more assignments. We're not doing anything. Nope, Nope. After seeing this, Nope, absolutely not. And that's when the producers came down. In fact, they gave us before we

the prerequisite for going there. They gave us our own snake bite kids. Really, yeah, they because there were there were no there was no medical professionals on site.

human beings. Sometimes you can go to psychic fairs and paranormal fairs and festivals and they'll have you sit and they'll take a picture and there'll be a light spectrum, different color, light spectrum around you. And the idea is that with Curelean photography it can show the different auras around you and what they represent. And I believe the same way that you can see an X ray into bones and you can everything else disappears, but the bone density that you can see and anything that seems to

be solid that you can see. I believe that it is the same way with the spiritual presence that they see something beyond the physical body that they can see a color spectrum. They can see an aura, things that move beyond the three dimensional realm into a higher realm of spiritual awareness, but still has a physical presence, and that they see that spectrum, and then they can pull out that spectrum, go we look at that. Yes, I can see his spectrum because they can't really, they don't

have no eyes. But there is this heightened sense of awareness, absolutely, and a heightened sense of memory, especially for those that are intelligence and intelligent haunting, which is different from a residual haunting. Very both are very different.

British television show on the Queen Mary. Oh really yeah, And he and I became very close, very very very close friends. I went to his apartment the first time and we sat and we talked, and someone knocked on his door and he continued to have the conversation with me. That kept knocking, and I said, Peter, someone's at your door.

He said, no, there isn't and he kept having a conversation and it was very very clear, and it was methodical knocking, like a knock, knock, knock, sure, pause, knock, knock, knock, pause, And I said, Peter, there's obviously someone at your door. He goes shook his head, Nope. And after the third knock, I went to the door and right before they knocked again, I heard one knock and it was going to go into the knock knock, knock, but it went knocked and

I opened the door and there was no one there. Ah, there was no one there.

and he passed away. He passed away a number of years ago, and we held a huge memorial on the Queen Mary because he had done an investigation on the Queen Mary and he discovered more entities and more energies than any other paranormal investigation. He was able to allow them to use his body and go into possession and give their information and give their information, and the investigation that we had was absolutely phenomenal because wherever he went

there was an occurrence. We heard a disembodied forty five minute conversation through the metal and the hull of the ship because we went below sea dip level. We were given permission around one or two o'clock in the morning to go below sea level at the hull of the ship, and we heard a forty five minute disembodied conversation that floated from area to area. It would start here, it was almost way you would have stereo, and it would start there, and then it would go over there, and

it would go over there, almost like stereophonic. And people left and I stayed to hear it. This was incredible. Here's the interesting thing, because it was in the metal. Because you know, metal is a great conductor of electromagnetic spectrum, but so is salt water, so is water, and so given the combination of the two and the history of the ship, the Queen Mary was also a warship, and most people who don't know the history of the Queen

Mary don't realize that it was also a warship. And so it was you can hear the vocal patterns, but you couldn't make it out. It was if someone was giving direction or someone was giving order, and you could hear enunciation, but you couldn't make the words out. And it was a deeper, deeper toned voice, like a man's voice. So you can hear the nunciation of vowels, but you could not hear the exact and it was ongoing. It never stopped. So it felt like they were giving orders,

but they weren't listening to it. They were just giving orders. There was a little girl who drowned in the third class swimming pool. Yes, I've heard that story, and I heard her say goodbye.

It did well and I was a huge fan. I was hooked from day one because they were mixing the science of it.

when they picked me up from the airport. The first thing we did is we went to a restaurant and said, let's eat, and we want to let you know that this will be an investigation tonight. But there are things that happened during the day in this particular dining hall, and because it is Texas and not Los Angeles, it was empty during the day because most people are working.

then he put his down and his was crossed. So what happened within seconds? Nobody saw it, nobody felt it, nobody heard it. It's a phenomena I've never experienced before. I've heard of it, I've seen shows with it, but it's a phoma phenomena I've never experienced, and I experienced it. And it's interesting because the waitress came over, the server came over, and then she backed away, and I wondered, what's going on? She goes, could you tell them to go?

Because they're following her, they don't know her, and they're interested in her energy because I was you, yeah, yeah, and she's like, it's a little too claustrophobic for me. Over here. I can feel them over my shoulder looking

at her. Could you ask them to leave? Because the Brothers had done investigations there before, and matt Night was interesting because as we were leading people through the investigation, when one person left the silverware in their pocket, was that was put there by who knows what?

my heart and my body is automatically responding. So I start going through the logic of that experience, and that keeps me calm. Okay, that keeps me very calm, because I am open. On the Queen Mary, there was a young boy who was not American who died on it when the Queen Mary was a warship, and what I felt my body doing was having my head crushed, but I felt my body lifting up and then tilting to the side to lie down, lifting up and tilting to

the side. And it turns out that the hull of the ship was used for dead bodies because it was the coolest storage space you can get. But this kid hadn't died yet. He was unconscious, and they thought he was dead because he had he couldn't feel his pulse, but he was still alive and all he wanted. It really upset me, and I can see an image of him too. He was blonde, he was blue eyed, he was an American. I don't know if he was German. I don't know where he was from. But all he

wanted was his mother. Thing he wanted before he passed was he wanted. He wanted to be with his mother. He wanted to see his mother one more time. But I could feel my body lift and then tilt to the side, lift and then tilt to the side, and my head was crushed because they put the bodies head to feet, head to feet, but stack them yeah each other, stack them on top of each other. So that was another feeling that I had, and the feelings that I

do get. I'm always with a paranormal investigator who has psychic ability to validate my experience and say, no, that's not the case or that's possible.

never experienced that. I did experience a disembodied voice right in front of me, though, and it was mumbling and hissing. So I did hear that. And it's interesting because the room went very, very still, and the temperature rose. Usually with a malevolent energy your presence, the temperature will rise, not drop, as in a cold spot.

and stuff like that. And every time I've seen a horror movie with someone runs and they fall and all of a sudden their legs get dragged back and there, so.

is at its highest peak at that point. Just walking and not walking backwards, but walking forward, my anxieties at its highest peak. So it's I took a step, nothing happened. I took a step, nothing happened. I get out of the shack, and I heard voices on the outside of the shack talking too, And I had a walkie and asked who was out there, and they said, no, we're

all back here. And interesting, it didn't sound like it would have been the type of sound where you would put you would put a microphone in a tree because the sound moved across. Oh yeah, you know, because a lot of times you're like, okay, well, if they scare you if if the producers really want to do that, they can put microphones in trees. But the sound moved in front of me because I was in a shack. The sound moved in front of me and then across as if someone were walking and talking.

meet him. His name is d Bradley bakerd Ee D Bradley Baker. And when you look them up and when you look at his site and when you look at all the information on YouTube, what he does that comes out of his mouth is otherworldly, other worldly. So I did the higher end demonic stuff. He did the lower end, and together they were sound mixed, so anytime anyone was possessed, we were the voice in the film. Cool. It was cool. It was a cool experience.

And so there are still a lot of parrots that are in the trees all over Los Angeles, all over La La County.

here's the first one. We're just gonna listen to it real quick, and I want you to tell me what you here. It's really quick. But again that first of all, that's a creepy voice. Do you think that that person that's if that was a human being, do you think that that's what their voice sounded like when they were on the Earth.

well as the paranormal aspect is it's interdimensional. It's interdimensional and so it can be made in the physical world, but you need to capture it on a physical You need to have something in the physical world to harness it. So I don't think we can hear it, but I think once it is because I think it's interdimensional, so they may not have been fully present, but they can see everything in this dimension and scientifically it can be captured, but you need a vessel to capture it. Well, you can,

sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. But see, that's that's why it's a practice. That's why there is no expert in the field. There's only people who have done repetitive investigation and then found a generalized idea of what happens on a semi or regular basis. Because there's no real you can't get a degree in it. You can't say that you know. It's not like being a doctor. It's just a matter of encountering it over and over again.

And I think because it is a universal and larger spectrum of idea and ideals, they're a phenomena that we haven't discovered yet. The same way there are aspects of the universe that still go on that we haven't discovered yet. Yeah, like a black hole or the ocean exactly.