What's that at the bed. It's spooky, joky. I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Wait a minute, Hell, I'm guessed.
I Esnandaz. Hey boo, it's me Roz.
How you doing.
Oh, I'm doing just fine. I got to talk to Adam Barry, who is one of the hosts of the TV show Kindred Spirits, which is on Discovery Plus and Travel Channel. This show is now about to have its seventh season premiere, and that will be if you're listening to this today that this episode comes out. That's tomorrow, the twentieth of January. There's seven well, there's six other seasons. You can binge. I love it. I watched the show a lot. I really like their approach on the show.
It's him, it's Amy Bruney. It's the psychic medium Chip Coffee. Amy's been on the show, Adam's been on the show, and now he's back talking today about gay ghosts. We get into paranormal TikTok. We have a great time, so I hope you enjoyed this conversation. He zoomed me from Pee Town, Provincetown, so you know, we caught up. We had a good time. So I hope you enjoy it, and I say, we just get into it.
All right.
Here is me talking once again to Adam Berry on with the show Oh my God, for his third appearance. I am joined by Televisions Adam Berry.
WHOA Hi, TV's Adam Berry right here at your pleasure.
Of the TV show Kindred Spirits of course, of course.
New season coming out January twentieth of twenty twenty three on Travel Channel at nine eighth Central and streaming same day on Discovery Book.
All right, and that's all we needed.
Thank you, Yeah, goodbye?
Oh my God. I love I love Kendrick Spirits, I love you, I love Amy, I love the whole crew. You guys are awesome. Thanks for coming back. How are you?
I'm very good. You know, it's twenty twenty three. It's a new year. I think what really gets me into the new year, to be honest, is you know, a new season, right, It's something to look forward to. It's not most New Year's. You get into it and you're like, oh god, you know how many days to Halloween? Usually is what I think. But now you know every time we air in January and so much, you know, there's
so much to look forward to. And then by the time the season is over, we're in spring and it is beautiful and things are coming back to life, and you.
Know, when do you guys shoot the show?
So we shot this season starting the first week or second week of August, and we wrapped the first week of November. So it was a fast, fast shoot. And on top of that, I mean it was because so as we all know, in the in the in our world, the Warner Brothers and Discovery scripts merged, so it's now Warner Brothers Discovery, and that took a long time, and
so it delayed our start date for filming Kindred. Usually, you know, if we're lucky, we're out like mid May June, but we didn't start till August, and so we we hit the ground running. But on top of that, on top of that, we had all of our like appearances in October to do all of those events that are
like packed into that fall schedule. So when I tell you I was like ragged ragged did by the end of this shoot, I am not exaggerating, but yeah, we wrapped the beginning of the beginning of Vember, and uh uh, it's it's it's a quick turnaround, they're airing it now. I mean it's coming up.
Wow, God, what how many days do you guys do in each location?
So usually it's like four to five days. Depending on the case, like how big the location is, it's four
to five days. There is some prep work in terms of you know, sometimes we interview the clients before we get there, just to get their mindset and figure out what they're what the activity is, and especially if they're really terrified, Like there was a case we did in Florida one season where we talked it on the phone and you know, I gave them two quick ideas about a couple of things that were happening, and they were like, oh, I never thought of it that way, which eased their mind,
but then they were still like carry up and get here and figure it out. So we do that kind of prep work and then yeah, four or five days of NonStop filming and interviews and history and research. And then if if you know, obviously we have no idea what's going to happen in the episode, so we spend a lot of time like racking our brain about why activity was happening and does it match up with any of the history and it's it's really really fun, but again it's it's it's exhausting.
But how do you so when you find these locations, like, how do you make sure it's not just people that just want to hang out with you guys for five days?
We interviewed them, so we know.
You're like, you're a little too excited, and I don't think that's a ghost think what you're talking about.
Yeah, you're like, yeah, I think you know. They we interview them and they go through background checks. Because I'm not coming in your house without a background check. That's a that's a for sure.
I need jobs. I need to do it the same way you guys do. I need to make sure you're for real. You're not gonna waste my time.
You should say I need your name and your current address and whatever, and you figure it out. Because the thing is like I need to know, like we're going in their house or wherever for a few days, and people listening. People who have like paranormal teams should be doing this for their own team members, like there is you should not be working with somebody on a team that is in background check. You don't know what's up in there, what's in their closet what the skeletons are.
But we do that kind of thing and we find a lot of information. We look at their social media, we find out, you know, you know, what they're in, especially if their social media is public, you know that we'll find out, like what they're into. Do they post about us a lot? Do they follow us? I check their name to see if they follow us already, you know, And it's okay. It's okay for a fan to need
help and we go and help them. But we're very cautious about what you're talking about in terms of somebody, you know, just wanting to hang out with us for a few days and just want to take pictures. Can we just take a photo like, no boro, I got work today.
Well that's the thing too with any paranormal investigation, but particularly when there's the pressure of cameras around, I mean, and these poor ghosts that they might be like if we don't want to be on TV, I don't want to. I just wanted to spook these people.
Yeah, you know what's interesting. We've used that to our advantage though, so like last season, and this is to get everyone ready for this season, because you know, sometimes it gets juicy. So last season that Pervert ghost, there was that guy who was talking coming through the spearbox and like talking through the sperebox and he kept saying
like threesome, yes, and he was like weird. Right. We used television to our advantage because we were like, dude, because we figured he was a more modern ghost based on what he was speaking, like how he was talking. And I was like dude. I was like, these are cameras. You're going to be famous. You're going to be on television like you're going to be a star. So we've used that to our advantage to get them to talk to us. And then you know, they tell us they
want to have three sons and be weird. That guy was weird, so I mean, I don't know.
I'm not judging. I didn't see what he looked like.
I didn't either. I heard him, and I think there was one point where Amy was listening to the headphone and she was like, nope, nope, I'm not saying that. I remember, I'm not going to say that.
Where was that? That was a house, right, So.
That was a place, uh in Vermont. It was one of the it was the oldest bed and break in Vermont oldest, one of the oldest properties in Vermont. And the thing that was interesting about the carriage house that the property was used for a rehabilitation center for drugs
and alcohol. And while there were no recorded deaths associated with that rehabilitation center, chances are there might have been one or two, and so we assumed he came from that time period in the seventies and early eighties, but we couldn't pinpoint it like with a newspaper article or with any you know, no police records or anything.
So I find that interesting that there's never how can you have a rehab in there hasn't been deats? That just doesn't seem.
Like, well what sometimes what happens is if you are not declared dead on the property, it will not show up. So they'll take you to the hospital and declare I heard that about Disney the Hospital. True. They will not Disney World too. They will not declare someone dead on property. They will take you off property and could be in the ambulance And as soon as you get past those Mickey Mouse ears, they're like, oh.
Oh, now you're dad. Oh how interesting, Yeah you didn't die here?
Yeah, yeah, yep, nope, And so I think you know that it could be a case like that. Possibly. Also, you know, as we know, you don't have to haunt where you passed away, you know, so maybe this this guy really really enjoyed his time in that carriage house with whoever he was enjoying his time with, and maybe he passed away somewhere else and you know he came back there. Oh God, we're gonna get really deep. I could go really deep with that, and I don't know, I don't want to. It's sad.
I'll go deep, you know, I'll go deep and say something. I don't think I've ever said this. I've never said this on this podcast. I went to rehob when I was twenty one. La, I went to rehab when I was twenty one, and.
It was.
A wild environment. But yeah, also I loved it. I thought it was so great. I mean, I gotta be careful with how I say this, because it's not like I want to go back, like no, but like it was the one time in my life where I was like I get to just focus on me and like not worry about anything else, and right now is just about me. And honestly, there could be a world in which I would want to go back to something like that.
Yeah, that's what That's exactly what I was going to say. It's like sometimes we feel like spirits go back to a place in their life or a time in their life where it was wonderful, it was joyous, like child whatever that may be Disney World and get thank you. I would go but like exactly what you just said, like this was this one, Like what I the vibe I was getting was this is an opportunity for this person to just exist on his own. Three he was
getting help for some getting thank you. I have a lot of sex being like getting the help he needed to overcome something that either I don't know if he was there on his own or if somebody felt he needed to be there. But in any case, he was getting help, didn't have any outside things to deal with.
It was taken care of. It's you know. And so maybe he left there and got in trouble again and he passed away and that's where he went back to because he was like here I am, but he was naughty, naughty, naughty, naughty.
Well that's what I like about your approach, Like you guys really do investigate and like in a way that goes. There's focus on the storyline with why these people are here, and in a storyline, not meaning like it's a fake scripted thing or anything, but everything is a storyline in life, and you guys figure out why would the spirit still
be here or what is the problem with this? And I like it because a lot of there's a lot of different approaches, and I think there's some investigators that are like the bouncer, like the bouncer has been called because there's a demon acting crazy and now the bouncer is going to throw them out and kick them on the street, and you guys are more like managers of a of a place dealing with these Karen ghosts, and you're like, listen, we just need to we need to
figure out what's going on with you. Why are you acting like this? You're not just kicking them out, You're trying to figure that out. And that's what I appreciate.
Thank you. I mean, we always say that we're a ghost therapist, you know, and it's it's it's hard sometimes because we're not a therapist. But there are times when on both sides of the equation, we are speaking to someone who's non living, who has a problem in a situation that they need to conquer or get over or
take care of in the afterlife, which is crazy. But then you're also dealing with, you know, people that are having living people who are having these experiences, who may be dealing with bouts of grief or or you know, their own family drama around the situation and what they're experiencing and he doesn't believe me or whatever it is. And so we have to we have to be very
careful and kind of balance the whole situation. But you're right, in the end, it is about telling the story of who we think it is and why they are there. And I think that sets us apart from all the other shows that are out there, because as an audience member, you could love paranormal and love our show as a If you hate paranormal but like history, you'll love our show because we'll talk about history, we'll give you the backstory. If you don't like history and you don't like paranormal,
you're just gonna like assist people. And so you'll get to watch it, and you know, we'll say, like you watch your show with my family, Like I can't wait to get together with my family again and you know, had this time to watch because it's you know, you learn something, a story is told. We say cuss words a lot, and it's you know, it can be dramatic.
Who cusses the mouse out of you guys?
Listen? Okay, I don't. That's a hard question. I think. I think we both cuss the same amount. But for some reason, everyone gets fixated on a female saying the F word.
Like oh, she's a lady, and I'm like, come come on, come on, it happens.
There was this woman I think even and I are like, I posted the teaser for the for the show, and I said, I say in the teaser that is ft up and they beep it right, And so then my post was like this is ft up, which is what I said. You know, I put a little asterisk where the U is. And there was this woman who was like, I didn't, I don't watch anymore because they have to sit the F word all the time, and I just wrote, well, but f on her coming. It's like, well, well, well.
When it's bleeped to me, it's always funnier, Like it's like I love I love getting bleeped, Like I think it's so funny to Okay, Well, it also builds like we're so conditioned to hear that sound, that bleep sound when watching television.
Put your reality TV. You know, if it's not in the background, you're watching and you're not even paying attention. It's like a housewife. It doesn't matter what it is, and all of a sudden, it's like, beat you baby, stupid. You immediately are like what you take a look, you like turn your head, and so I think it's you know, it's triggering for a lot of people, but we're just
you're humans. We cost a lot and it happens. And they also say that if you cost a lot, you're intelligent, and so I'm going to be really small.
Yes, I love that. Well, you also deal with a lot of fucked up shit because we can cuss on the show.
Oh great, thanks, thanks.
You guys deal with some fucked up shit a lot, and you you're welcome. And you know, you guys also deal with getting touched you know or whatever. You hear these horrible things in your headphones. You guys always are a lot of times you do the ast this method, which is actually my favorite type of you know, technique
of paranormal investigation. I think it's amazing. And you know some of the stuff that goes through there, and when you're blindfolded and you're listening to these noise canceling headphones, if someone touches you, yeah, you might say shit, yeah, you.
Might actually say get the fuck off me, which is happening. I mean here, the thing is, it's scary, it's startling, and as humans we have reactions to it. And maybe you know, if you don't cuss at that won't be your reaction. That's totally fine. But there there's a case. I don't think it's in the first three episode. I
think it's uh like episode seven oh five or six five. Uh, And I I don't know why you seeing something myself, but there was something in the cellar of this basement, and I was like, you know, I'm going to sit down here all by myself and be blindfolded and have the headphones on and do the estest method all by my side in this Why exactly why in this cellar? Because I wanted, uh the opportunity uh ma, any reasons.
I wanted to show that I wasn't so that apparently the spirit in that space didn't like me and so I wanted to show them that I wasn't afraid of them, that they didn't have to be afraid of me either. But I was just going to sort of surrender myself to the environment and say, listen, I'm doing this. You are not a problem. I am not a problem. See I can sit here, blindfolded, in a position of whatever the word is, in a vulnerable position. And then Amy
asked the questions through the walkie. We had, you know, a walkie down there. And when I tell you, the touch, the like amount of touch that was happening, like poking and like angrily poking that happened where I like flinch and I was like, don't fucking touch me, setting boundaries, And then it happened again in Amy, who was listening to my mic audio on her headphones upstairs, says out loud, I heard the tap on his shoulder, Like heard it, yeah, And so I was like, she was like, we again,
And it's a crazy, crazy experience when that happens. But sometimes we do that to show vulnerability, like, you know, I don't know what position this ghost is in, but we aren't here to harm you at all. So look what I can give you, which is openness and vulnerability in order for you to communicate, because I need to experience this activity they're having, and by god it happened.
Do you think how psychic are you?
I mean, on a scale of one, okay, we're all the little bit. I don't know. Sometimes I'm on on and it's like a four out of ten?
Was it?
I just think I feel like you have to sort of work on it, and I haven't done any of that kind of.
I get too. Do you think that from the start of doing this kind of work, have you moved up from like a one or a two to a four or what? Do you think?
Yeah? I think in my own way, like I'm not reading people. I mean I read.
Oh you want to talk about reading.
I read people where it's my glasses, But I don't. I don't like, I don't do readings on people. And I also don't you know, I don't do those kind of psyched things. I think the where investigators as investigators, where we involve, where we evolve is when you start out investigating, you sort of a thrust in an environment that has a lot of energy and you know it can be heightened and you're like, well, this is crazy.
It's crazy. And I think as investigators, as as you go along, and the more you do it, you can kind of hone in on where the activity is coming from. You can walk into a space and be like, huh, it feels weird in here. Let's sit in here for
a minute. You know. I explain it to people like if you're looking for I don't know, I probably sit it on the shovel for But if you are like looking for a new apartment or a house, and you walk into a place and you're like, oh, this feels really nice, or sometimes you walk in and you're like, something's off. I just something's off. I don't like it. It's the same concept, and so we start paying attention to that a little bit more. You know, the hair
on the back of the neck stands up. It's something to pay attention to. So I think that has gotten better, and even Amy and I at times, like when we were at Maplecroft Lizzie Borden House where Elizabeth lives now where she died, we didn't know where to start on an investigation, and so she and I separately walked through the entire house. Then we came back together and we
wrote down the room names. We wanted to start with one, two, and three and both are one and two were the exact same but just interchanged and like that means something. We were just basing it completely on how we felt in the space and we were like, no, this is with is where we should start. And we were both on the same page. So I think that that definitely improves with time.
Was Lizzie Bordon a queer woman.
I think so. Yeah. So the speculation is she had heard the lover was the actress that lived with her at Maplecroft and she something happened after a big party. So Lizzie Lizabeth is what she perverse to be called. Lizabeth at Maplecrofts used to throw these giant, these lavish parties for the actors that were performing at a playhouse down the street, which still exists to this exactly exactly, So she would hold these lavish parties, and this actress
was living there at the time. Something happened at this party that her sister attended, that Lizzie's sister attended, and because they owned the house together and Lizzie's sister bought sold I guess her portion of the house to Lizzie and moved away to Maine and never saw her sister like maybe once or twice ever again until they died. So something happened at that party, and the speculation is it had something to do with the actress. The actress,
you know, moved away. There are correspondents letters to each other, but they're very cordial. However, I brought it up because you know, I'm gonna ask, and being a gay, being a gay man, I'm gonna I need to know the tea. So I had to ask her about that situation, and she shut down completely. Like I brought up because we were talking to Lizzie Warden Elizabeth. We were talking to her,
we had established that it was her. She loved to talk about her parties, her philanthropy, her love for her dogs, animals, and the second you brought up the murder, she shut down. And if you brought up her relationship ship with the actress, I didn't. I didn't really use the word lesbian because I don't know if I don't know if that were I don't even know if that how old is that word?
I don't even know, but I but I talked about the relationship and I wanted to bring it up very nicely shut down completely, wouldn't talk about it, which it.
Was teristic of that time, you know.
Exactly. And so I think, you know what's interesting is there's a law firm in Rhode Island or Providence or something that has all of the materials from the from the murder trial, the Axe murder trial, and they know whether or not Lizzie has confessed it confessed. They know it's in the files. But the files are so old and locked up that no one's looked at them in one hundred years or whatever it is. And you still can't get access to them. We tried, oh we tried,
can't get access to them. And in those files, I'm sure it has talks out all kinds of stuff because they were her lawyer until she died, and so I'm sure there's all kinds of things in there that's just juicy, juicy, juicy, and I wish they were just released.
All right, we're gonna get in there. We're gonna get in there late at night one night. We're gonna put some masks on. Dun dunk.
I'm gonna lower you like mission impossible string wise, and you could go flying out, you know, like in a star Formation. Yes, like Tom like Tom cruise, like not hitting the sensors.
Yes, and then if I could arrest it, I'll be like, I just wanted to know if she was a lesbian.
Exactly, just screamed lesbian the whole way, and then they let you go.
She was dating an actress and an actress and an actress.
Oh I see what you did there? Come on, I like that. I like that an actress, actress, an actress and an actress. I feel like there's a musical there. There's something well, the Lizzie Boordon Musical, because you know there's a rock musical with Lizzie Bordon about Lizzie Boardon. I think they talk about that relationship.
Well, there's also the movie with with Christen Stewart and yep, Chloe seven.
Yeah, I think, oh yeah yeah, and they get really into them in that movie. So yeah, listen, here's the thing. She doesn't like to talk about it, i'd say. And Chip brought up you know, when Chip Coffee was there at the psychic medium that we used, he sort of brought in her personality about she has to look perfect, like she has to look just to be put together, and like you know that makes sense, you know. I mean, people are like, did she do it? I don't know.
I sometimes I think she did. Sometimes I think she did. Today I'm going to say I don't think she did it. Last month I could have been like, yeah, I think she did it, or she had split personality, like Lizzie did it, but Lizbeth didn't. Right, But why would someone who murdered their father and stepmother stay in the town for the rest of their lives for the rest of her life? Like to stay for the rest of your
life ridicule. Everyone knows who you are. You have all the money, you got, all the money you know, and you have bought this big mansion, you drive it, you have a limousine, but you just keep key in town. And she says it's because she wanted to see the look on everyone's She wanted to be able to look everybody in the eye when they finally found out that she wasn't she's not the one who did it. I God, that could be bold, that could I guess I know it could be bold talk who knows? I like her
any too, honestly. So this is the thing when we talk, when we talk to her, we both said it's it's strange that we like like her, like we want to hang out with her because she made a joke. She made a joke to me because Amy was doing the spear butt, listing to the spear box and doing the est method up in her room, and I was downstairs and I said, I said, Lizzie, I said, Lizabeth, let's throw a party. You love to throw a party. Let's
throw a party here. And Amy goes your house as if she was saying, no, not not your house, We're not going to exactly. And I was like, oh, I was like, not my house, You're not coming over. Yeah. So I like, I mean, I like her every time we went over there. You know, we went over there a bunch of times to film specials and stuff, and you know, she's there just living her living her best life after life, living her best after life.
Have you found other gay ghos like confirmed gay goes.
The only other time, uh, the only other time was when I was on ghost Hunters and we investigated where the Gemini Lounge fire happened in it in yeah, yeah, in New Orleans. It was the the someone threw a mall Tov cocktail and the Stairway of this building upstairs where they had like they had church basically, and it was also a place for people to hang out and be gay. And it was the at the time, it was the biggest mass and like murder of a minority. I think up until Pulse, I.
Think it was horrible. I've read about that.
But yeah, I mean I think when we were there, I talked about, you know, Obama was president at the time, we could get legally married. I was married. I talked about that. I talked about, you know, not having to hide, and you know, they reached out to us. But other than that, I really haven't come across other gay ghosts. And somebody asked me that, like during Pride Month. They were like, have you ever encountered gay ghosts? And I
was like, yes at one time. But the reason why I think it is is because you don't lead with that conversation. You know, in life, we don't lead with that. We're gon't be like, hi, I'm Adam, are you gay? Like you don't you don't do that. You kind of say hi, I'm adam, what's your name? And you get to know the person and you find out what they need or what they want. As a ghost, like what
do you need? What do you want? If it comes up in conversation, yes, but usually it doesn't because it's not it's just if they are, it's it's not of importance. I guess if that makes sense. It's like you don't lead with it. If if we found out, like through history and research that that yes, they were lesbian or gay or whatever, and then of course you would bring
it up. But it isn't just something that that comes up because I don't know, because we're all people, we're all the same, and we're all equal, and it doesn't matter. I guess is the is like it you know, it's the least give what I'm saying. You understand. It's kind of like we should we don't. We should treat each other with the same kind of thing always.
And I think I wonder sometimes if there's scenarios where because we when you talk about people in different generations, and could that be why they're still earth bound just because they didn't get to come out or whatever. But I guess I don't really know specific scenarios of that, but I imagine that it exists.
Well, yeah, I mean I think that goes along with unfinished business. You know, people have a lot of the spirits being counter we say, you know, they have unfinished business of some kind, and so that can absolutely be it. And I've you know, I brought up the fact that I was gay, like this season on Kindred when they didn't they didn't, they didn't show it. But no, I does.
That every run out I'm gay. Every every location you walk into, you.
Were like, Hi, I'm gay, talk to me. We were on Uh we were at the Valley Camp in Susant. It's this giant freighter and I was down in the coal room and a piece of coal you know, they think cole gets thrown at people. And they were really interested in Amy. You know, you know these sometime these men ghosts, they're just like they're like grubby, and so they they would only talk to us if Amy was in the room. And so I was like, I was like, you'd leave for a second, let me have a conversation.
And so I had a conversation. I was like, I'm gay, and I wanted the I wanted the reality. I wanted to hear them be like act get mad at me or something, you know, like ah, this guy this, But they didn't. They didn't care they didn't care. They were like, where's the girl?
All right, allies.
Exactly. I was like, fine, great, fine, find these these men done in the coal mines or whatever. But I think, uh, I think it would be interesting to uh do more locations where I know, you know, the individual or the people there were part of the queer community, because you know, I think it would be good for our audience to see. You know, I think it's changed a lot since that. For that Jem and I lounge Fire episode on Ghost was. Yeah, I think that was like I do I do want
to go back there. I think that was like twenty thirteen or fourteen, and you know, my inbox was full of like why did you have to tell the world you're gay on television? What do I say to my kids? Like I'm just trying to watch a ghost show and you had to bring politics into it like those kind of emails, And I was like, this is fuck, this
is fucked up. And it's definitely changed a lot since, you know, since that time, But I think it would be really cool to do some locations where we absolutely knew, you know, that maybe it was a nice old elderly couple that lived together for a very long time and then he passed away and they're still there, Like I'm going to meet those guys, those gay gus.
I also love, like nice gay couple with their own bed and breakfast or whatever. I feel like, I feel like those have popped up a time or two. And Kindred Spirit. It's a little gay couple with like a historic house.
You did have the bed and breakfast where they were cousins.
They were cousins.
Two men were cousins. And I was like, I don't know about that. They were like, we're cousins. We're cousins.
And I was like, oh, then maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I haven't seen this before.
No no, no, no, no, no, you were right. You were probably right because I was right. But they just said they were cousins. Oh good for them, you know what I'm saying. And they were older, they're very you know, and they had been through a lot, and I was like, they were like, we're cousins, and I was like, but my radar is.
Oh yes, was that the one that I had, like the music box?
It was the one with the train?
Yes, okay, yeah, I see.
And I was like, you know, maybe they're not if they're watching this. If they're watching this, they are.
Well and it's confirmed.
If they're watching this, there's no watching this.
Yeah, you know, well, because that's the I've seen every episode of your show. But then over Christmas break I was really feeling arts and crafty, and so I binged like two three seasons or more I can't remember, and so when, of course.
But keeping our numbers up.
But when I binge, I get confused of what place was what, and like, there's just so many you watch so many back to back to back. But I did get to watch this season. I got to see a little advanced screener as we call it in the business. I got to see the first three episodes and I love it. You guys are great. Chip, thanks the incredible psychic medium. Chip Coffee is back in person, and he
is incredible? Has he Why doesn't he have a brand of coffee chip coffee flavored chips called Chip Coffee's Coffee Chips?
You know, I think that's a missed opportunity. I don't know the answer to that. There's so many people that spell his last name like coffee, like c O f fee that he could absolutely get away with it. But I just he I don't is he. I don't know if he's perky enough honestly for a coffee brand, because he goes in and he will tell you like it is from the beginning of an He like I'm tired, I'm going home, and he just is exhausted from it all. He needs coffee most of the time.
Well, yeah, I imagine that's draining to go into some of these places. Well, like you guys, don't you don't really go to happy places like you do sometimes.
But I know I go to my happy place when I'm done. I think they are well. I mean, when you think about it, we only get ten episodes and hopefully one day that changes. But you get ten opportunities to help ten different people or locations, and so usually they're the worst of the worst. They're the ones that need to help the most, the ones that are the
most desperate. You know, we're not going to go to Betty's house if she just hears a knock like that's not happening, and she wants to pay Cookie's breast, you know, that's not happening. So so yeah, so sometimes it can get very gloom and doom. What I love about this season though, is there's showing a bit more of amy and personality at times, because you saw the first three episodes, right,
those are heavy handed. Those are heavy episodes because you know, we want to get you into the season and trap you and keep you for all ten episodes. Got me, thank you? Well good that one person we got, we gotta we got. We start with one and we'll get
the rest. But I think there's I think they they've been showing our personality a little bit more where we're like, you know, nope, don't like that, you know, kind of how we normal, like how I am now, Like people are like you're so normal, like normal normal, You're so like you're you have a personality and you're funny and
you guys are so funny. And it's like, yeah, they don't show that on the show because you know it's we don't A, we don't have time a lot of the times, you know, we have enough time to show you. But b it is serious.
Yeah, you guys are dealing with very serious stuff and you're you're helping people both living and dead.
Yeah, I mean in the so the first episode, the the idea is, you know, the whole idea behind going there was like you have this person, these group of people who are running a facility. They're upkeeping this historical society, but the location itself has a lot of darkness around it. You know. They it was at one point ran by this man name I was gonna say Nicholas Cage, but that's not right.
Something Cage.
It's it's something. It's not Nicholas.
It's not Nicholas Cage.
No, okay, But you know this guy was he was evil. He was taking not he was evil, I guess in a way like he was being funded by the town to keep this place so that people that couldn't afford a place to go could live there. It was like a poor farm. But he would take the money and you know, throw lavish parties for himself and his friends, and he would spend the money on other things, and he would chain people to the wall in the basement and in the dungeon, like there was a literal dungeon.
So yeah, not the happiest place. But the people running it had all these experiences and didn't understand, uh, why it was happening to them because they were doing everything right. Obviously they had they got into that place. They are taking care of that place. They are talking about the history, they are shedding lights on the location. They're talking about its past and what it did for the community. They're running a nonprofit organization there by all, by all circumstances,
they are doing everything correctly. So why is the activity, you know, preventing them from doing certain things, making them uncomfortable, making them uneasy? Uh, to the point where you know, there was one guy that was working there didn't want to be there by himself. You know, he caught that that cell phone footage of the banging at the top of the stairs. He's like, I don't want to be there.
And then a psychic, a psychic comes up and like takes the tour and then calls him the next day out of nowhere and says, hey, by the way, something's following you around and like getting you, which is so mean to do to somebody. Yeah, I mean they were terrible.
Yeah, that's like it was like I didn't want to say anything during the tour, but actually the tour like that's like a bad yell perview, Like I couldn't focus on the tour because there was a demon crawling behind you the whole time.
That's the that's probably the worst thing you can do, even if you are psychic, Like, for real, don't call somebody after the back and give them anxiety. I mean, like, that's like when somebody you know, I don't know comes up to you and be like, hey, you know it looks so well, how are you feeling today? It's like, girl, what should I be sick right now? What's happening? My anxiety is the roots shade. It's terrible. It's terrible, It's
it's psychic shade. I don't like it. So yeah, I mean so that case, you know, it was really I think what was really cool about that case and trying not to get too much away but being able to bring in all of the people that work there into the investigation and giving them an opportunity to ask the questions they needed to know because A, it's Amy and I all we can do is try to figure out who it is really, but they're there all the time, and so it's like, let them ask the questions, let
them find out what they need to know. Because there were four of them and I can't speak for all of them. And it was really cool to see the reactions from the spirits talking through Amy in the spirit box to them and like witnessing that happening in the space because you could feel that the spirits really appreciated what was going on. But also these people that work there are finally getting there, I guess, getting a platform to speak to who they're wanting to help and take.
Care of well, right, because I imagine, you know, there's probably a lot of investigations, whether on TV or not, where they go in, they stir some shit up and then they're like, bye, we're done, and then the people that live there or work there or whatever have to deal with the mess. And I would see I can imagine that you guys, including those people, that seems like completely the right thing to do if you're trying to get these ghosts to coexist or to get along with them or whatever.
Yeah, I mean, we can't ever forget that, no matter what, Like, no matter what, when we leave that location, the people that live there or the people that work there do not get to go. They are going to be there every day, especially if they live there families and stuff like that's their house. So we are always hyper aware of like knowing whatever we say and whatever we find, we have to be honest about all of it. We
have to tell them the truth. We can't hide. Like sometimes we get evidence and we're like, oh god, that sounds really crazy or that looks really intense, or you know what happened to you when you were using like getting touch Like that's oh god, they're not going to like to see this, but spoiler alert, it's going to be on television anyway, right, so we have to just tell them, like, we have to tell them, and we have to kind of you know, we have to make
sure we know what we're talking about and giving them a proper solution because we get to go home, we get to go to our house, and they are still going to be there sitting in their living room with that activity, and so we have to improve the situation at all times.
It's like you hear about some of these makeover shows or whatever.
Oh god, like those those are my favorite clips when somebody when they showed, like the ones where they're like I don't like this, I what did you do? There are those clips where they're.
Like no, yeah, no, and then it's like all right, bye guys, and then as soon as the crew leaves, all the walls fall in their house, like yeah, well, Adam. I think that does it for another visit from television's Adam Berry. Thank you for taking the time. We're so excited for the new season. Tell people once again where to find it and where to find you and all that.
Well. If the new season of Kindred Spirits begins January twentieth at ten ninth Central on Travel Channel and streaming same day on Discovery Plus, you can watch Discovery Plus on streaming platforms and your computer and your phone, and then you can follow me on Twitter Adam J. Berry, Instagram, Adam Berry Tickity Talk the Adam Berry and my new merchandise store called Adambury merch dot Com. Adam rymerch dot Com. Is the jingle?
Did you write that?
Yeah? It was. It was really hard. I like said to I was like using different instruments and keys.
It's good.
But yeah, I'm coming out with more stuff because I like to. I like to make things. People like, uh, it has a spooky nature. I just came out with this amazing knit blanket. People are like, you're doing knits now. I'm like, yeah, I'm doing it. Yes, I'm doing in.
Your nit era.
Wait a second, I'm making all the place I'm not.
On TikTok at all. I need to follow you, though, but I technically have one. What do you think about TikTok paranormal stuff? Like are you seeing good stuff? Are you seeing? Do you it's so hard?
Do we have another hour?
I don't believe there's anything that I see, unfortunately.
But yeah, here's the thing. There are people I like paranormal TikTok that talk about history, that know their history in facts. My Bloody Gallentine is very good New England Spy, Spooky ghul Amanda, she's very good. I like those kind of things. I do not like paranormal TikTok where someone is just sitting and talking like this and they're doing a video and then the door behind them see that, like mirror the door open, Like come on, I hate that so much, and like you know what, your house
could be haunted. Sure, But the one problem is they have nothing to lose, right, They have started to pick they started a TikTok. They say it's paranormal TikTok. They have all these stories and the activity and they're showing you all this stuff. But in the end, they have nothing to lose. So if somebody finds out that it's all fake. They can just delete their account, start a new one, delete their account, and like or not delete their account. I don't even care, keep going. And I
think you know, with us, it's credibility, it's credibility. It is it is, you know, without the credibility, you can't help people who can't do anything. So I'm just not a I'm not a fan. I'm a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. But but how do you know? And the thing is, like I've tried, remember that thing that came out the guy on Twitter that just David Dear David.
Okay, I don't believe that. It turned seconds well.
It turned out to be a complete story. He admitted, it's complete, it's online. I looked at it. I think I think he admitted that it was completely fabricated story and that they're going to make a movie out of it, like it was a whole.
Well, I knew from the very jump. I'm like, this guy is a writer, he's an animator. This is the best story I've ever seen. This is the best looking ghost I've ever seen in a photo. I don't believe this for a second. And then he did get a movie deal and his own show, and I don't believe it. I never believed it, and he refused to to do interviews.
He also refused to get help, so he was really afraid, and so many people were like tagging us always, and I reached out to him privately and I said, hey, look, I don't know what's happening here. I don't know if this is real or not. I was like, I'll take it with a grain of salt, but if you actually need help, we can come in. I was like, we
don't even have to do it for television. I mean, if you let us post about it on social media that we're there and you can talk about us being there, we'd love to give you the opportunity, like to get actually get actual answers, silence, never reached out, never talked to it. And I've done that, you know, I've done that a couple of times for people that are like this person really needs help, like they really believe them,
and they don't. Nobody ever wants help. They just want to keep posting their crazy experiences and crazy things, and that to me is like and they're still freaking out about it. It's still the worst day of their life. Sleeping. They haven't slept in days. And I'm like, okay, we can help you do something.
About the content. The numbers.
Exactly. And so I'm like, I don't believe that. But there are some people out there, like you know, the two that I mentioned that are that are doing really
cool paranormal stuff. Because not only are they, you know, giving you history, giving you mystery, telling you a story about a location there, they go investigate and they go like group investigations, like they came to Mount Washington with us, and uh, you know, and they show something that happened there and they don't sugarcoat it and they're like, look at this cool thing going off and you know, and they leave it at that, and that's It's enough. It honestly is enough.
Well you heard it here, Adam.
Thank you.
I'm a big fan. I adore you. I wish you weren't such a potty mouth, but I know that I really enjoy I really enjoy what you got do and I can't wait to watch the season. Thanks for doing this, you very much.
Thank you, thank you for your support. And yeah, let's do it again soon.
Thank you so much to Adam Berry. Check out Kindred Spirits let me know what you think. I just I love their approach. I think they're such cool investigators and they're just really good at talking to the ghosts and being like, hey, what's the problem, what's wrong, let's figure this out. I think that's nice. Are you following me on Instagram It's at Roz Hernandaz, TikTok and Twitter at It's raz Hernandez. Please rate this show five stars and
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