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Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Getting Hammered. I am your host, Mary Katherine Hamm. I'm here with my co-host, Vic Mattis of the Washington Free Beacon. We are your morning show for any hour. Over-caffeinated, under-prepared, moderately right, and moderately reliable.

As always, I know you guys are probably waiting for an announcement for me. I don't have one right now. Give me a week. It's the first week of summer. We're taking a week. I'll get back to you in a week. But we're first. Before that, we're going to enjoy the heck out of this episode.

Soak it up. Things are happening. Wheels are turning. But for now, we're going to do our normal thing. We got a lot of news. We got the tariff case going to the trade court where there's some big news out of there. We have Elon. is leaving as a special government employee, and we'll see how he feels about that. Harvard, PBS, and NPR in danger of losing funding, but they say...

They deserve it. All your money. Maybe an Israel update and some loony education policy out of San Francisco, of course. But before we get to all that, how's it going, Vic? Hello, Mary Catherine. Since this is the pre-hiatus show, I'm just going to go on for a little bit here. Please do.

I've got two indignities for you. Okay. So let me go with the first indignity, which is I woke up this morning and checked my emails. And then I see, you know, from the Washington Post morning email from Melissa Tang. She normally eases people in with... you know, talk about the weather and what's happening, the birds and everything else. I took her family out, you know, to the countryside or whatever. And today's...

WAPO opens like this. And I'm about to read everything here is now in the quotes, okay? Here we go. World Pride, the largest LGBTQ plus festival in the world, kicks off in Washington this week. Visitors from around the globe will come for parties, protests and events at theaters, museums and nightclubs, as well as a conference on human rights to keep you looped in beginning today.

we'll have a section in this newsletter with all our world pride coverage for the duration of the festival my colleagues will help you plan for the best events happening each day and more will you join the festivities is this your first pride or your 50th my colleague Teresa Lang wants to hear from you. Tell us your pride story through this form. Mary Catherine, what is today's date? As we record this, May 29th. We still have two and a half days left of what month?

A. P. I. And Jewish Heritage Month. We have to share it. Did I miss the post nonstop 24-7 breathless coverage of AAPI month and the festivities? You weren't asked for your stories? You weren't asked for my stories? Is this your first AAPI month or your 50th? It's really my... We need to hear... from you it's really my 52nd which leads me to indignity number two okay yeah this is real this is pride creep

It's taking up part of May. I'm just feeling, what's the scene? What's the word? Microaggressed? You are microaggressed. Practically macro. Maybe even medium-aggressed, yes. Medium, that's right. Okay, so indicting deed number two is, I see that in the morning. I said, I got a lot of stuff to do today. Did my power press workout per your husband's gift. And then I went to the supermarket. And as I was checking out, it finally happened to me. The old lady.

Comes there who works there at the cashier thing in the, you know, the self-checkout. And she says, oh, hold on. Let me give you that senior discount. And she scanned it. It finally happened. So on the one hand, I'm sort of incensed and offended because I thought I was doing OK. And I've got the reunion weekend coming up. I've been trying to lose weight.

The last two days. It's going to work. And then she says, here you go, old man. Here's your discounts. On the other hand, I have to tell you this, Mary Catherine. They're amazing discounts. I love that. I saved. I felt like I saved a lot. It's like, you know, I don't know, 10 cents for every dollar or something. This is really it all adds up. So that was kind of interesting. And it got me thinking about.

Maybe seeing if I can get away with the 55 plus menu at IHOP. That's my next thing. But when we come back from our hiatus, I'll... Keep everybody. I'll bring everybody up to speed and about the reunion. When we come back, it'll be the 40th reunion, by the way. What do we do? No, don't get nervous. Don't get nervous about that. That is what I had.

For you. Very nice. I also worked out this morning. Yes. And like, look, that's what we're doing. You can't stop time, Vic, but you can put in work. OK. Yes, that's right. Someday what you want is for people. to see you walking down the street and be like what a fit guy and then you turn around they're like oh my gosh it's an old guy that you want to surprise you want to surprise them like from behind you're saying you want to live in that uncanny valley where they're like yeah

This doesn't compute. That person has muscles, but his face doesn't look like a young guy. But you don't want to mess up your face, right? You don't want to go too far on the facial stuff because that is like a scene. Well, you're saying that I shouldn't have the cream that they advertise on Fox for the, what is it?

It's like the three-in-one, whatever it's called. Some men in the mirror look and see this in the mirror when they could be looking like this. Do you want a sprinkling of retinol and Botox? You don't want to go too far. You don't want to get...

Like, focus on the fitness is what I'm saying. Let me ask you this. Health, fitness. You're walking down the street and you see somebody from behind. Can you tell from behind? Let's say the person has a decent figure. Yeah. Can you tell without looking yet? If it's an old person or not. This is what I'm saying. You want to trick people.

You can trick people. You can kind of tell. Maybe I've been tricked a couple times, but oftentimes I'll be like, this person seems like I can tell attractive, but I can tell it's an older person. Yes. And in other times I can definitely tell the person's younger. True. At my gym, there's been several occasions in my workout, decades of working out, that I'll run into some woman walking in the gym. I'll be like, dang, look at those arms. And then she turns around like, dang.

Even more impressed. That's what I want to be. That's what you want to be. That's what I want to be. Yes, like Jack LaLanne. So, I was working on that this morning. Yes, Jack LaLanne. That's what we're going for. Yeah, I could pull the plane with my teeth now. Wasn't Jack Palance another... Jack Palance is amazing. Man. Yeah. So we could be either Jack O'Lean or Jack Palance. I'm like an Asian Jack Palance. You are. Yeah. That's what we've always said.

On this show. So I worked out this morning, and I do want to report that despite the fact that I haven't been working that hard lately, I did PR. Oh, personal record. I PR'd a 500-meter row this morning, so I was pretty proud of that.

Wow. Yeah. Do we have numbers? Sure, I can give you numbers. What's the number? If you'll allow me. Yes, because I'm sure it's burned into your brain now. Point of privilege to let everyone know. 500 meters. 500 meters, one minute, 35 seconds. It's like furious. I looked at my... Because at my gym, I do appreciate this because what you measure, you get better at. So they have my times from the past. And she told me when I went in, your last time was 136.

This is the power of having a goal. I wouldn't have known what I was shooting for at all had she not told me this. So I hit 135 because she told me 136. Yes, do it. My actual old time was 141, so I don't know if she was gaming me. But the point is, I beat it by six seconds. Beat it by six seconds. That is good. And then I looked up on a random rowing site because I have to, that's of questionable reliability.

I had to compare myself to other people and find out how I was doing. Yes, of course. You go in, you check out, and do you add in also for my age? Do you throw in your age? Oh, yeah. I need all of that. I can give you some specific answers. And it looked like I was doing pretty good. the ai made you feel better a lady my age in the in the rowing chart should be at more like two minutes and above so yeah now that might not be real

It also might not be real that my coach at the gym said, you were so fast I didn't even know if you set your rower right. And I was like, you say that to all the girls, don't you? is this a male no okay i'm just asking you never know you never know unless i was proud and it shows me that like maybe i'm not trying that hard on a regular basis if i can just somebody can just say 136 and then i can beat it so

134 is coming up. I like that one because it's like 135 of work. I can do that. No. And it took me. fully the rest of the class to recover my heart rate. Is that right? I was trashed. I'd be more concerned about my back. Yeah, I was like, oh, we have to do more after this? I have, well, since we're talking about exercise, we'll just go back and forth here. Thanks to the Power Press.

I decided one day, how many push-ups can I do uninterrupted at my age? Did I have this conversation on the show already? Maybe, yes. Yeah, but I'll bring it up because you know what? I don't care anymore. today this is it this is what we get to do today we're gonna brag we're just gonna brag we're gonna brag about our middle-aged accomplishments that's right and i think you're supposed to do like nine push-ups at my age right if you could do nine ten push-ups that would be amazing 50.

Look at you. I did 50. Thank you. Thank you, Phil. Can I confess? I'm not good at push-ups. Well, I can't do pull-ups, but I can do push-ups. On the other hand, I return to running. And I have a not as impressive average time of 11 and a half minutes a mile. No, but I saw I'm running. I can do pushups, but look at me run like this with my T-Rex arms doing this thing, you know.

Here's the thing. That's how I do it sometimes. Here's the thing. I am red-pilled on this. We don't need cardio. I'm done with this. You don't need cardio? I'm done with it. You're just doing lifting. That's it. We're just getting stronger. That's all we're doing. So today I was trashed for like another...

45 minutes after my one minute and 35 seconds of cardio but you know what i noticed mary catherine is normally on the our second taping of the week the office here of course has complimentary donuts from a good company which is a great It's actually a great company.

located here in Arlington. And I don't see any. Did you deprive yourself of a donut this morning? I walked right past those donuts. And I'm glad you brought that up because I'm pretty proud of that too. Yeah, that's right. I'm going to go home and have... Protein. That's what I'm supposed to say. Yes, of course. Lots of meat. Lots of meat. I'm not going to do that. One more thing. People are like, no wonder the shows. I think it's 11 minutes now and just talking about themselves.

in their bodies about me but i do get some credit because they're my kids we had end of the year ceremony for the kids and they cleaned up like awards awards yeah we got hardware show me the trophies really oh yeah Big only for the big stuff. But like, you know, they do give out trophies. And like in our family, we are pretty strict about do you get trophies?

or not like we we actually don't do participation trophies to the point that i may have talked about it on this podcast at one point when they played soccer and they definitely didn't deserve trophies we were like they can't have them You made him smash it? No, to the team. I was just like, look, we'll come to the barbecue, but we don't need the trophy. The participation trophy. That's what it is. You know, it's a very controversial movie, obviously. A whiplash in terms of the message.

But as J.K. Simmons' character says, it's like the two worst words, I think overused words in the English language. Good job. Yeah. Yeah. So I am J.K. Simmons to my children, obviously. That's lovely. Just kidding. I'm not. I'm not at all. But we're pretty particular about when they get medals, when they get trophies. And there is... There is trophy inflation out there. Yes. Like it's gone crazy. Absolutely. But these were like for real deal metrics earned them.

Big deal prizes. And so we were very proud of them. Took a bunch of pictures with their hardware. They have a special shelf in their room to put their hardware on. Well, I mean, it feels really well earned. Yeah, they earned it. So that was exciting. I didn't see that coming. I didn't know they were... Getting all these accolades. Well, you know, you're a good parent that way. You're not like, did you get this?

No, I don't want to come down on them too hard or babysit them through stuff because I want them to be able to do things. Now, when we're doing like a poster board project and they can't get those letters straight, am I like, just give me the pen. Yes. Yes I am. I can't. You had to interfere. I cannot abide bad lettering. On a poster board. I have given them stencils. I have given them guidance. Do you do the very fine pencil like across the poster so you have a little line? Obviously.

Wow. So that I will jump in on. But in general, I like them to, like, maintain on their own. And they did so and exceeded my expectations. So good for them. Someday they'll be like really successful or our society will just begin punishing that kind of initiative and they will not be successful. I don't know which way it's going to go. Well, yeah. I mean, we just went through. We just maybe were emerging from that era of where it was attempted.

To have this idea that merit is bad. Yes. In fact, actually, our education story later in the podcast will address that. Okay. I guess we should talk about the news. Let's do it. Here we go.

All right. Big developments in the tariff area of policy. You'll remember that Donald Trump imposed his many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many tariffs on all the countries. Sweeping.

via International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977, IEEPA. Well, five businesses in a small law group, the Liberty Justice Center, sued and said, no, that keeps us from... operating our businesses and you're not allowed to do that this is not an emergency and these powers are delegated to the congress specifically and therefore

This is out of line. They take this case to the U.S. Court of International Trade, which is just a federal court that deals with commerce. Right. It's not like the International Criminal Court of Justice. Yeah. It has a name that sounds a little. Sounds. Yeah. Yeah. It is just a U.S.-based federal court that deals in customs issues. A three-judge panel. It's a three-judge panel. One was an Obama appointee, one was a Reagan appointee, and one was a Trump appointee. Unanimously knocked down.

The idea that he could impose these sweeping tariffs from the executive position under the IEPA. So this is Ilya Selman, who writes for The Vault Conspiracy at Reason.com, writing about this. He helped bring this suit. The US Court of International Trade just issued a unanimous ruling in the case against Trump's Liberation Day tariffs filed by Liberty Justice Center and myself on behalf of five US businesses harmed by the tariffs.

The ruling also covers the case filed by 12 states led by Oregon. They, too, have prevailed on all counts. All of Trump's tariffs adopted under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 are invalidated as beyond the scope of executive power. and their implementation blocked by a permanent injunction. In addition to striking down the Liberation Day tariffs challenged in our case, what the opinion refers to as the worldwide and retaliatory tariffs,

The court also ruled against the fentanyl-related tariffs imposed on Canada, Mexico, and China, which were challenged in the Oregon case. It goes on to, you know, explain some of the court's reasoning here. Look, this is the Congress's power. And it's not an emergency. And I don't like when the federal government claims...

everything's an emergency so that it can use statutes it shouldn't be using to do grand sweeping things to all of these people. Like martial law? Is that what you're going to say? I'm not a fan. I need to declare there's an emergency martial law. Did not the COVID era cure us of the idea that the federal government should be able to use sweeping emergency powers to do sweeping things?

I understand why Trump is frustrated because it seems like these courts, including district courts and district judges, so not just this international trade court, seem to be thwarting his policies to the point of, can I do anything without...

having some sort of legal pushback. Well, and I often think they're wrong. Yeah. Right? Yeah, because they wield enormous power at a lower level, and all it does is tie things up until you have to appeal it all the way up to the Supreme Court every single time. Although he has... won a lot of those cases on important issues. Yes, on important issues. And I will give him more leeway when saying that we have a national emergency when it came to illegal immigration. Right. Because when you have...

300,000 people crossing the border illegally in a month, right? And something like 11 or more than 11 million people illegally here, including convicted murderers. And that's by the Biden administration's numbers, estimates. That is, that's an invasion. And you need to be able to do something. So people who are outraged over that, obviously weren't outraged when this thing was happening.

Yes, but can I note that Buttigieg in his re-Bootigieg came out. Thank you. That's good. You need to trademark that unless somebody steals it. He came out and said, one of the things he would change looking back in order for the Democrats to win is to, quote, pay more attention to the border. Sir, that wasn't the problem. Looking at it. That wasn't the problem. Y'all did it on purpose. That was the problem. Yeah, it's the. And Trump's.

moves and great successes have showed that you did it on purpose. I thought they couldn't do anything because they needed the Republicans in Congress and they had their opportunity with that bill. It failed, so it was the Republicans' fault. Turns out, no. No, okay. Anyway, sorry, go ahead. No, I was going to say, but what it comes down to-

to is even if you are supportive of the idea of tariffs and obviously wanting countries to pay their fair share, particularly China, that this is just a matter of executive overreach and that it is Congress's domain, its purview to... raise revenue. But I think this is the but this was the Biden problem, too.

where he was engaged in executive actions that were determining the raising or the creating of revenue when in fact it was Congress's responsibility and then certain things like student debt that get shot down. But then Biden, it didn't stop him anyway, even went up after the Supreme Court. They would just make up new ways to do it. The question is, my question to you is, is Trump going to abide by this? Because I think there are good reasons for him.

politically advantageous reasons for him to abide by this, or is he going to flout it? I mean, he's going to make a bunch of noise about it. I don't know where it heads from here, as I am not a legal expert, and these things can get pretty... intricate with where they go he's gonna make a bunch of noise i wonder if the talks that are ongoing where people have come to the table he said the other day now as i keep saying

I think he likes tariffs and I think he likes negotiating. So either way it goes for him, he's happy. He's passionate about it. But he says... You know, if I hadn't put these 50 percent tariffs or whatever it is on these various countries, they wouldn't have come to come to the table. So the question is, if he abides by it, you remove the threat of these tariffs. Do those folks remain at the table? Right. Yes, would be the question on a practical level. Yeah.

Maybe it would knock. They wouldn't have to. But he is also an unpredictable figure. Right. Ideal scenarios, it knocks him down to like three or four discussions about trade with major partners. And he nails those instead of doing the 165 plus deals. Right. So maybe that's what we should do. Because he can singularly focus on.

particular tariffs on particular nations. And I would assume that the International Trade Court would not have an issue with that. But at the moment, he has something like 10 days. or the administration has 10 days to bring this to an end. What happens to the revenue that was raised already? I don't know. And they can't appeal.

I'm looking it up right now. Again, always underprepared. And they can appeal to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit and eventually to the Supreme Court. So I assume this will end up there as well. So there's a route to the Supreme Court. But I think the Supreme Court... Is likely to be like, yeah, this is pretty clearly Congress's job. It's in the Constitution. This does not constitute an emergency. And I will remain annoyed with the Supreme Court that it didn't.

knock down emergency powers more frequently during COVID, but is sure to do it here, right? I see the problem. And I will remain annoyed about that forever. But I also think they're probably right on the merits here. Yeah. And again, as I mentioned politically, and it was actually Chris Eliza who made this point, which is Trump may be able to have it both ways here. Because on the one hand, he feels, as we know,

Very passionate about tariffs. He's felt about this since the 1980s. This is where he had a big disagreement with Reagan at the time. But now he's limited from being able to do that. So he gets to say, you know, we'd be in much better shape. If we could do this, unfortunately, these out-of-control courts are preventing me from doing this.

thereby playing the victim while the markets breathe a sigh of relief. The markets are going to go crazy, right? Because, I mean, that was undeniable that, you know, the whiff of tariffs. you know caused markets to go haywired in the bond market and people were fleeing or whatever so so uh nbc wrote up a bit about tools he has at his disposal after this yes i'll read a little bit of that goldman sachs was outlay laying out some of the

Again, all of this is sort of open to interpretation because this ruling just came out yesterday and they're going to be fighting about this. But Goldman Sachs said the ruling blocks the 10 percent baseline tariff imposed by Trump on most imports, as well as the additional duties on China, Canada and Mexico.

but not sectoral levies such as those imposed on steel, aluminum, and autos. The Trump administration nevertheless has other legal means of imposing tariffs, Goldman says. Flagging section, blah, blah, blah. It lists a couple of different trade acts. So they may do what...

Biden did, which is go searching for other statutes that could justify some of these things. Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974 does not require a formal investigation and could therefore be one of the swiftest ways to get around a court roadblock. The administration could quickly replace the 10 percent across the board tariff with a similar tariff of up to 15 percent under this statute. That move, however, would be temporary and Congress would have to approve it, which.

would be preferable to the current situation. I do think no matter what you think about how our trade works and whether we are getting unfair deals, and I think that's real, especially with China, which never opened its market to us, but we opened our market to them. Central planning of the global economy by one guy is not it. It ain't it. Yeah. It ain't it. Central planning has been tried before. Yeah. So, I mean, again, this always reminds me.

that if you're able to withstand or not mind an incredible amount of mind-numbing details, be a lawyer. You'll always have a job, and you'll be paid well for it. Look, I mean, I could read more. I know. I mean, no. I mean, many lawyers are involved in all of this. There's like three other sections. Yeah. But the interesting thing about always be a need for lawyers, these sections that they note that of statutes that you could do this under.

require some kind of either investigation of a trade partner and finding of some wrongdoing, plus possible congressional action. So there are layers of work here that would have to be done instead of just saying, boom, it's an emergency. That's where we stand at the moment. Well, I'm sure a lot of countries are breathing a sigh of relief. Oh, I did want to note, too, because I think it's important to have context in this part. I'll just describe to you a couple of the businesses. Yeah.

that were part of this oh sure yeah so vos selections is a a wine company run in new york for almost 40 years said their expertise, the expertise in wines and spirits is something that cannot be replicated in the U.S., pushing back against Trump's often repeated statement that if products are made in the U.S., they won't be subject to tariff. They were saying, like, I'm not sure how we get around that.

Fish USA, based near Lake Erie in Pennsylvania, is a wholesale retailer of fishing tackle. And they were saying, look, we can't import what we need to import. We don't know what we can order. We can't. Guarantee orders because of the unpredictability of all of this. MicroKits. David Levi runs the business out of a workshop in Charlottesville, Virginia. The company designs small electronic kits aimed at teaching children how to build simple devices and gadgets. In a statement.

published by the Liberty Justice System, he said he likened the Trump tariffs to a death sentence. Much like other businesses, Levi has found the uncertainty and back and forth nature of Trump's tariffs to be major stumbling block when it comes to completing orders. I could place an order for parts today, and by the time it arrives, the tariff might have doubled. I can't plan. I can't budget. I can't grow. There's another small company that does cycling equipment specifically for women.

She says the single greatest threat that she's had to her company in 40 years. So these are like normal small companies that employ probably small numbers. But in aggregate, all of those small companies employ lots of Americans. And they have made this their livelihood and they don't deserve to have it just yanked out from under them because we're doing a 160 front trade war. Right. Or with percentage increases like.

Not like a 5% increase. We're talking about like up to 100, whatever, 40% increase in tariffs. I mean, and then it fluctuates and you have these cargo ships coming in and you can't unload any of that until the tariff's paid. Yeah. So we'll see. Somebody joked that like as soon as this. ruling came down every ship at every port ready to send things out was like go go go go yeah yeah now yeah unload unload the vespas we have a moment so at any rate like yeah i think i think

During the pandemic, we saw emergency powers overused and killed many a small business and medium sized business and even large businesses were hurt in big ways. As usually happens with these kind of things, large businesses will often absorb costs better than little ones. And so I don't want to see it happen again. I would like to see some advancements in our trade deals and more fairness with China and more targeted kinds of actions.

But anyway, this looks like an overreach for the moment. I'm sure it will continue to go through the courts and we will keep you updated after our hiatus. President Vance has reissued the tariffs. You know what this is? Welcome back to getting hammered. Much like the tariffs, we are unpredictable. And this is a pause. We're pausing. Don't get nervous. We're pausing. Mark's getting nervous. Do you want to talk about Elon Musk? Oh, yeah. Let's do that.

So Elon Musk is leaving the government as a special government employee, and he is perhaps a little disillusioned. Jaded, yes. With the experience that he had, which anyone who's worked in politics for any amount of time... We'll understand. My friend John Ekdahl tweets, Elon Musk really did speed run through the Republican Party experience. One, euphoric victory. Two, grand sweeping plans. Three, complete governing incompetence. Four, political disillusionment. Yeah.

he was so close though look i i appreciated the attempt actually actually looking at the books right yeah at educating people about what might be there. I think they should have done a briefing every day with those smart guys just talking about what they were finding. Here's what else we found in terms of government waste. Will any of it be...

Look, some of it will be gotten rid of because it will be hard to recreate, right? The things that they got rid of will be hard to make happen again, particularly like the transing of mice. Like, I think that's going to be a hard pitch to make. But... They wanted these things codified in law. There is a chance, and Rand Paul and others have been pushing for this from the beginning, that

Although those cuts don't make into the reconciliation bill, and I'm unclear on whether they're allowed to be in the reconciliation bill or not. Because it's coming from somebody who is, what is the line of authority you mean? Well, the parliamentarian seems to be the only person who really understands what can be in a reconciliation bill.

bill. That's right. And I do not claim to have intimate knowledge of what can be in a reconciliation bill, but there are different rules for it than a regular bill. When you pass it with just 50%, you get... to only do certain things. So there's some dispute about whether you would be allowed to codify doge cuts in this reconciliation bill. If they don't, there's the idea for a package of rescissions.

that would come from the executive to the Congress to say, here's how you get rid of those. But you've got to have enough steam after you get through the reconciliation to do that thing. When I first heard that, you know, his exit was more imminent than I thought. I mean, eventually you remember originally he I thought it was going to be he him and Vivek Ramaswamy.

Working out. He was like, get Vivek out of here. I can't deal with this guy. $1.6 trillion in savings by July 4, 2026 in time for the sesquicentennial. Yeah. We're a little bit ahead of... time here before with his exit and it's like that song i fought the law and the law won you know and he did his best but this is it's a massive it's a monstrosity right the government's it's massive and then i thought of

The Homer Simpson advice of when he tells Bart or Lisa, you know, you tried your best and you failed. The lesson is never try again. But I feel a lot of the time. when it comes to these things. Yeah, and I'm sympathetic. I understand the problems, right? Because it was like, what is the clear line of authority of somebody in his position, which is rather unusual, to issue these sort of decrees about... Well, it turns out that Anita Dunn's special...

Government employee was a whole ass president. So, like, I feel like he could probably run United States digital service. Following in the first in the footsteps of prime minister. And even Jake Sullivan had plenty of authority. Prime minister. As did Hunter Biden. questionable about Elon Musk.

Should he really be allowed to do things? I don't know. It's rich for them. But there were a lot of sweeping cuts. And there are people I know who got doged who actually wanted to help Trump and were MAGA. And it's like, but they were so... The cuts are so far and wide. But the other problem is, of course, I wonder how much of it was Trump's announcement that he's not going to touch Social Security and Medicare because, you know, Elon is working his way through a lot of these.

USAID was the most prominent one. But you're not going to get to $1.6 trillion or more in savings. unless you start dealing with entitlements, namely Social Security and Medicare. But nobody wants to do that, not a Republican or a Democrat, certainly not Trump, because the other side is going to use that as a cudgel, say, see what they're going to do, and those people vote. And we've said this before on the show.

We could be six months away from insolvency and somebody saying we need to do something about it, and there's still going to be pushback. I know. Like, don't you dare do a work requirement. So I give them credit. I give any of the Republicans. who have tried this and in elon musk credit to try to make some difference because again as a businessman right he's like he wants to say to us don't you see what's coming down the pike yeah

And this is something that goes back to George W. Bush's time. And Paul Ryan. I wish we had done it then. My bar is so, so low that I prevent disillusionment by just assuming that all of this will fail. Like, that's just kind of that's kind of where I'm like, hey, I hope for the best. Expect the worst. So I didn't think very commentary. I didn't think. Yes. I didn't think a ton of cutting was going to come of this realistically. I hoped.

And I do think people got a little bit of a mini education on exactly what the federal government does and why it's insane. Spending on comic books. Things that even I didn't expect, despite my very low expectations of the federal government.

The thing that's discouraging about it is this is like really JV spending cuts. And if you can't do those, you're not going to get to the hard stuff. No, we're in trouble. This is like, it's like, to go back to our original conversation, resistance training.

You need to lift a certain amount of weight for a certain amount of time. And then when that gets easy, you need to move on to something else. So cut USAID until it feels easy and then go do something harder. We can't even do the easy stuff. No. I hope. With the hope that maybe there's some rescission thing that actually does work out. I don't know how you feel about this, but I hope people will stop.

attacking tesla vehicles with their odors do you when i say i don't know how you feel about it i don't know how i feel if you think this is going to happen are people going to finally be less outraged when they see a tesla where they're so compelled to deface Like, what did even Tim Wallace say? I'll get some dental floss to get the T off, you know, in shame.

But, you know, look there. Yes, they're going to move on from outrage to another outrage. It was it was. And then as soon as a Democrat becomes president again and like forbids anyone from working with. any innovative company of any kind formed by Elon Musk, all the libs will be like, yes, this is exactly the kind of retaliation that is good retaliation. This is exactly what we're looking at.

looking for apparently the white house will be sending doge rescissions to congress in the near future johnson has said like we're definitely looking at these so anyway i will not hold my breath I mean, it's a weird thing because when people look back historically, they'll say, wow, I couldn't believe he couldn't get, you know, Trump or Elon or whoever couldn't get any of these things done when Republicans had control of the White House, the House of Representatives and the Senate. But.

as we know just barely yeah i mean you have people like thomas massey weren't voting for anything i know you know i know the it is very hard to do the first job and the first job is to maintain the current tax taxation levels or else everyone in this country pretty much gets a tax hike this year. And not a small one. Barely. Yeah. Got that. So that's job number one. I will wait to see.

on the rescission i'm glad they're sending a package i'm glad they have this on the mind i think probably elon speaking out about it publicly and being publicly disappointed got the rescission package moving a little bit faster so that it could be Part of this. So at least there's that. I mean, it's part of this great American story. Are we going to go to our pause hiatus without having talked about the big, beautiful bill? Because that was my goal because I don't want to talk about.

Can I just say something? Can I just say something here? Even on air? I still... get confused between the big beautiful bill is that is that the budget is that a continuing resolution is this uh reconciliation what is happening it's the reconciliation okay and it has the trump

tax it's got everything in reform of 2017 which is due to expire this year that must be extended like that's the number one thing now the press is all going to tell you oh it costs so much money because they're going to maintain these tax rates and not give everyone a tax hike that's not costing money no that's not that's not spending that's our money that's maintaining the current tax hikes now in order to get that passed which is important to get past because they have such small margins

They've had to do reconciliation and they've had to give people a bunch of things and go through a bunch of negotiations to get everybody to glom on to this one big, beautiful bill, which, as Elon said, I think quite poetically.

I think a bill can be big or beautiful. I'm not sure it can be both. It's sort of right. It gets really messy. It gets really expensive. And that's where we are at the moment. But I hesitate to... cover something like the big beautiful bill too frequently because it changes so quickly right and i'd have to like explain salt caps which is like i think we've done it i think we've done it once and they are very annoying but

Yes, because they're popular if you have to represent big cities where $200,000 does not mean you're rich if you live in, you know, Manhattan or something like that. It also means your local government should stop. I can't tell you how many times I read SALT and I still keep on forgetting that what it stands for is state and local. When I see it, I think strategic arms limitation talks.

It's the salt treaty. I'm stuck. Your brain's in a different place. I am in a different place. I'm in the Cold War. Things were so much simpler back then. Anyway, we'll see what comes of both of those things. Can we talk about some of the things, actually, that could be in a recision package?

Are cutting funds to NPR, PBS. Yeah. There's been an executive order about various entities, Harvard included. A lot of people have objected to this group of... cuts in federal funding as a First Amendment violation. I believe FIRE, which I have great respect for, has gone after at least the Harvard stuff and said this is viewpoint discrimination. I'm open to them fighting this out in court. NPR and PBS, like...

Come on. Come on. This is defunding out of principle. It's not defunding and we're going to save a ton of money in the grand scheme, but it's the principle. They want to have it. They're so bad. They want to have it both ways, too. They want to say, like, oh, don't worry about it. We don't take very much federal money. And then they're also like, we will die if you don't give us the federal money. So, like, I don't know what's happening there, but the product, A.

isn't so great that I feel like we should subsidize it over other things. B is a product for very white, very affluent, very liberal people in America's cities. And frankly. They can afford it. They can buy many, many more tote bags to make sure that NPR and PBS continue to exist. I do not believe that Daniel Tiger, should he be defunded?

will cease to exist. I don't believe that. And if you did, I believe I would get another children's programming option. The market would provide. Yeah. It's particularly offensive when... You have somebody like the head of NPR, Catherine Marr. Yes. Who's taking it to Trump now in the courts with a lawsuit saying that he can't do this. When she was giving her testimony in front of Congress. was asked about bias and she says i've never seen bias in the workplace ever

Never seen it. You know, in the workplace dedicated to the, you know, end of Trump or the Republicans. Right, right, right, right. Like, really? I mean, on that ground alone, really, we should just defund you. This is the organization that put up a statement saying.

Some people are asking us about this Hunter Biden. Oh, right. We just want to say that that is below us and we will not be covering such nonsense. Yeah, it was news, guys. We won't be covering such nonsense. It's not news. And she was forced to say we could have done a better job. Yeah. Here is Catherine Marr being interviewed about exactly this. We have a little bit like a minute plus of her chatting about how NPR is such a boon to this country.

So how precisely does President Trump's executive order against NPR and PBS violate the First Amendment? What's the case that you're making against the Trump White House? Well, it's interesting because the executive order is very specific in that it accuses NPR and PBS. of not airing fair or unbiased news. And so it is a textbook example of viewpoint discrimination from a First Amendment standpoint. Essentially, by blocking funding to NPR and PBS, it is a form of retaliation against...

our organizations for airing editorial programming that the president might disagree with. We're a nonpartisan news organization. We seek to be able to provide a range of different viewpoints in terms of who we bring on air, the stories that we tell.

buttresses in this effort by the fact that we have 200 local newsrooms across the country. So a significant portion of the reporting that you hear on NPR is not coming out of D.C. It's coming out of smaller stations in rural area. 20 percent of Americans.

today do not have access to a local newspaper or source of news other than public media. We take federal dollars very seriously and we seek to maximize them by raising additional funds from private philanthropies from individual viewers and listeners. That's tremendously important to that promise that we have.

But it is also the case that without federal funding, we would not have the universal access that public media affords today. We are free in every household in the nation, or 99.7%, which rounds up to 100%. That is something that nobody else offers.

and we view that as a critical part of a functioning democracy for people to have access to news, information, educational, and cultural programming. That's why. That's just what I want is 99.7% having free access to news provided by you psychos at NPR. I'm already convinced we should defund you. You don't need to say anything more. She just made the case. Are you telling me there are people out there who are actually paying for her?

like 0.3 the tote bags that's that's the signal that's really something it says the woman by the way says the woman who i believe on because thanks to social media called the president a psychopath so you know but she's not biased They're great. They're great. I wanted to add that my friend David Harsanyi wrote in reply to David French, who says this is obviously a First Amendment issue, and just says like...

Taxpayers do not have a constitutional duty or a moral duty to bankroll Harvard. Yeah. They just don't. And the Trump administration may get itself in trouble by the way it frames these issues. And that is. going to be worked out in the courts and they may have to go back to the starting blocks because they have to do it like like I've said in the past can we just do it like hey if you have a billion dollar endowment as a university you don't get federal funding yeah

I mean, multi-billion. French, by the way, says that the administration should only go after the parts of a university that have behaved badly. Wouldn't that be viewpoint discrimination?

Yeah, but her signing notes that they have said David might not be aware that an addition To the Joint Government Task Force's claim that Harvard leadership failed to meaningfully confront pervasive insults, physical assault, and intimidation of Jewish students, there's also a blistering internal university task force report that maintains that Harvard allowed anti-

to permeate coursework, social life, the hiring of some faculty members, and the worldview of certain academic programs. Harvard concedes members of the Jewish and Israeli communities at Harvard reported treatment that was vicious and reprehensible. The verdict is in.

And he says, if a government investigation and internal review both found that white supremacists on Harvard campus were terrorizing black students and engaging in racist marchers marches and that their violent beliefs had found favor in the school's curriculums and in social life, would anyone on.

MSNBC argues that the government had an obligation to keep funding this school until a civil lawsuit worked its way through the courts. One suspects not. And by the way, that's not the only kind of discrimination they have admitted guilt in. There's the discrimination against the Asian.

Oh, yeah. Students that got settled by the Supreme Court. Yes. So these things are real. They've violated the law. I would love to get whatever deal these people have, which is like once you get federal funding, you can never have it taken away. Because it would violate your first criminal rights. Do you remember, by the way, how the Asians were able to be discriminated against by Harvard in the admissions process by having very low scores on the personality part?

How dare. I'm funny. You are very funny. Come on now. Come on. So, you know. Your sparkling personality is enough to fill all of AAPI month and then some. And more. And more. Although that would be a hate crime to creep into June. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, you know, just give me 31 days. If you're going to take somebody's month, you need to take the month before. 31 days. Let me say this, however. I get the point because that Harvard report was damning of itself. Yes.

And Trump is right when he says that. It's just, you know, they're all anti-Semites there now. Harvard is still, I believe, the hardest school to get into in the country, or certainly one of the hardest. But who are they letting in at this point? It's not great. No, I mean, they're there and they could easily be obviously letting in a lot of smart kids who then get.

you know brainwashed by the sort of propaganda by activist groups and by certain faculty that's a problem and what you're seeing is for example the harvard law review which is at the center of a lot of this, at the center of the storm versus the administration and funding cuts, they're still acting in very overtly discriminating ways in terms of who they're favoring.

after this war is now in the middle of being waged by the administration. And it just struck me that, and it struck some people, that that's not a smart thing to do. And I think that there are long-term implications when you're not in... admitting the best and the brightest. I was reading just today that Brown University, I think, which is like actually the wokest of the woke Ivies in some cases. It's been really, really bad. I believe that even Brown.

has adopted institutional neutrality as an entity, like as of this week. Which I'm sure is outrageous. Saying that, hey, maybe we won't be taking a position on every stupid political issue that comes up every week. And maybe we'll just like...

educate people? Right. That seems like a pretty big cultural turning point. Like school stuff, you mean? Yeah. But this is the thing about, you know, I mean, take any of these ivies. Columbia University and the storming of Butler Library. You know, the protesters insist now. And we've done some reporting on this at the Free Beacon. And John Levine was up there at the courthouse in New York just the other day. They said they weren't there to disrupt the library. They're there to educate.

Oh, how nice. The people, the students about the genocide. And the lawyer for these students is also arguing that they should be let go because Israel is committing genocide. And there's a good chance Alvin Bragg will just let these people go. Oh, I'm sure. so if you don't punish it no if you don't punish it and then you have the situation what happened as we talked about in the penultimate episode about the penultimate for the hiatus episode

Can I note one situation on the other side of the coin, which is, do you remember the story of the Turkish foreign student who was at Tufts? Yes, and got removed. Who got picked up. By plainclothes officers, she was detained for something like six weeks while this thing worked its way through court. Her name is Rumeza Oztark. I want to update you guys because I think the government was genuinely badly behaved on this one. And this is the risk of these things. The overreach. They went to court.

They presented nothing other than the pro-Palestinian op-ed she had written. The government didn't bring anything. wow they were saying so the opinion yeah like i i looked up i tried i found several write-ups of this to try and find like was there anything else there because i'm open to the fact that we have a lot of leeway

on these things to say you can or cannot come into the country. You can. And I think there are a lot of students who want to come to the country and hate the country at the same time. Yes. And there are plenty of cases where someone is very obviously guilty. She was released a couple of weeks ago. But yeah.

If the Department of Homeland Security and the government can't even levy an argument, this person never should have been picked up. It did chill other people's speech who are foreign students because they look at her and they go, well, I guess I can't write an op-ed.

They should be able to write an op-ed. And meanwhile, Rubio just yesterday was complaining that other countries come after our people on speech rights. And I'm like, well, well. And it hurts their cause by not having their ducks in order.

So anyway, she's out now, but I think they screwed that one up. Do you want to do a little Israel update? Yeah, sure. The usual suspects are screaming their heads off that feeding. Oh. Feeding Gazans is now genocide, I guess, because Israel and the U.S. collaborated to make a more orderly.

process by which aid would not be immediately stolen by Hamas and then sold to the people of Gaza at a premium. And when they did this, people were just like taking pictures of the lines of people. ready to receive their food and saying, like, look at this travesty. Yeah, front page of the Wall Street Journal, I think. Look at this travesty. And is the travesty that Hamas doesn't get to upsell this food? Right. Is that the travesty? Because that seems like what they're saying the travesty is.

i have so i have a couple thoughts one of course is as you were saying here the number of food trucks that have been trying to get through have been zero in the past because they keep on getting intercepted by hamas yes they're fully fed Right. The Hamas leaders, they're taking it. And we know that everybody knows that. Right.

The way Hamas treats its own people, the Palestinians, is brutal, and it's been reported, even in places like now, I think Amnesty and other places are saying, hey, this is happening, but you're not going to see that a lot in the mainstream, where Palestinians are getting killed by...

Hamas because you're not allowed to say anything bad about the government, but somehow Hamas is great and we got to take them at their word. By the way, some brave Palestinians and Gazan residents have actually been protesting. Hamas, which is a very dangerous thing and something that I think if the press actually gave a damn about the Palestinian future would boost those voices. Right. What happens? What happens? I mean, now that I think Mohammed Sinwar, the brother.

Yaya was just recently killed by the IDF at a headquarters beneath a hospital, by the way. Shocking. And there's talk that maybe this will make way for the release of the hostages. And finally, I mean, God willing, a surrender of a mosque. because they cannot stay in power. But wait till the stories come out about how they treated their own people. What is the press going to do then? Because right now they're siding with...

You know, they're just retelling Hamas's story, which is outrageous. But the other thing is, of course, when you see this horrible thing that's happening and the people who are starving, this didn't have to happen. It's like, gee, something happened on October 7, 2023. Right, right. They're always like, I think the Harvard yearbook had like 2023. Conflict breaks out.

In Gaza and Israel. Oh, oh, oh. Did it break out? Yeah, because they broke out of the prison, the retaliation for all those years of occupation. The open air prison. Yeah, oh wait, they left in 2005. Yeah. I'm going to play a little bit of Omer Shem Tov, Israeli hostage who was there for over 500 days, I believe. And this is on where? He had this to say on CNN, which is like an interesting venue for this conversation. He's talking about...

Trump and how his captors responded to the election of Trump. Very scared of him. Yeah, they wanted... Who? Terrorists. Were afraid of Trump. Yeah. They wanted Kamala to be chosen. You talked politics with them? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They wanted Kamala to be elected when Trump... I think because they anticipated that a deal would come soon.

And that's when they started giving you more food. Exactly. More food treated me better. You know, stop cursing me. Stop spitting me, spitting on me. I'm sure CNN viewers are very receptive to this argument. Props to CNN for not deleting that. He also said like CBS, I don't know. He also said, as of course we know, but the press wonders about like they had plenty of food to feed him. Yeah. He saw it. They chose not to feed him just as they choose not to feed their own subjects.

they're taking all the food yeah anyway so that's that's happening there and it it is again a reminder that The last administration, the Biden administration's foreign policy, was projecting weakness. And they want to come across as let's be friends. And that's not what they recognize in the Middle East. We've talked about this before. What they recognize is strength.

And that's obviously what you will about Donald Trump. That's what he likes to project. I mean, obviously, now with all the various wheeling and dealing, it's a little bit more easy. But the fact is they were scared of him. Yeah, and you put the two next to each other. Yes, please give me a try. No, and you look at the lack of these kind of conflicts that happen in his first term. We've said this before, crazy works, man. And they think he could actually drop a bomb on us.

That's a good thing to have in their minds because then it'll deter them. Can we end with a little psycho San Francisco policy? Oh, yes. Lovely. The city. By the way, speaking of California, Karen Bass, the mayor of...

L.A. put up like an aerial photo of the Palisades. Those fires were in January, correct? Yeah. That destroyed the Palisades. And she put up a... Ariel shot saying we're building houses. We're cutting red tape. We're making sure that people can, you know, get rebuilt. There's there's one house in the photo. You're building house. You're not building homes.

The approval process has been glacial. They have not cut the red tape. They probably partly have cut some red tape, but there's so much in California to begin with that they're having trouble with that. Anyways, just in case you're wondering whether...

Whose house was it? California's figuring it out. I don't know, but there was one home that was like 75% done and there was nothing else in the photo. And the number of permits is very, very low. Okay. Meanwhile, in San Francisco. Yes. Will they figure it out? Will they figure it out? Will they become normal? Will they accept the be normal challenge? Right. Because San Francisco residents, they turned out their district attorney, the prosecutor, I think. There have been flickers of sanity. Yeah.

in san francisco not from the school board however or the school the school system grading for equity coming to san francisco high schools this fall let's hear from the voice of san francisco what that looks like Grading for equity eliminates homework or weekly tests from being counted in a student's final semester grade.

All that matters is how the student scores on a final examination, which can be taken multiple times. Students can be late turning in an assignment or showing up to class or not showing up at all without it affecting their academic grade.

Currently, a student needs a 90 for an A and at least 61 for a D. Under the San Leandro Unified School District's grading for equity system touted by the San Francisco Unified School District and its consultant, a student with a score as low as 80 can attain an A. And as low as 21 can pass with a D. A 21. Wow. Look, every middle class, working class, sane person.

who can possibly put their children somewhere else will put their children somewhere else if this is what you're advertising so it's quite the fixation on quote doing the right thing for certain people and trying to help them as they say with equity what they just want to do is make themselves feel better by saying we're not failing these kids look at them they're all passing what happens to these kids with the 21 d average

when they go to the next school or the next school. And if they make it all the way to out into the real world, they'll either, you know. fail miserably, or you have somebody who's not qualified to be handling what? Well, let me do another commentary. It's worse than that, Vic. No, what is it?

The real problem is that they go into the real world and the real world does adjust to them because that's what keeps happening. And I think that's why we're seeing continued loss of trust in institutions, continued incompetence, increasing incompetence is because you get people. who have not been able to demonstrate skills, who have not been asked to be competent, even at the highest levels of the Ivy Leagues. Because if you dare to, then...

you would be considered to be. Well, you know, like letting in too many Asians would be a problem. Yes. No, you can't have the people who like study really hard and get good grades and actually demonstrate competence. That's not what we're looking. It's also demeaning to think that they can't. Do better. I mean, these people need to watch the great Edward James Almost movie Stand and Deliver, which takes place in L.A., I believe. Right. And about, you know, getting a lot of these inner city.

kids in Hispanic communities to excel at math. By the way, when I talked to Karen Vates, the literacy expert about gains being made in Mississippi, which is, by the way, that's how everything's negative. partisan polarization and condescension from lefties so what you should do is just say like oh you guys you guys don't want to be as good as mississippi

Mississippi's kicking your ass right now in literacy. And then they'll be really mad about that because how could Mississippi possibly beat us? But what Mississippi and others have done, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, part of what they've done is stopped passing kids who are not.

functionally literate past third grade they hold them at third grade now what happened a bunch of the dei and social justice advocates were like you can't do that because this these segments will fall behind again condescending Maybe a little racist if you think that people of color and without money can't learn to read. But they argued they're all going to get left behind. You can't do this. Our numbers are going to be so high for holding these kids back. What happened actually.

was that when you have a credible threat that kids will be held back, the adults go, oh crap, we really need to teach them to read. Yeah. And then they focus on teaching them to read and then they read. Right. That's the magic formula. That's asking a bit much, though, Mary Kat. So California's decided to go the exact opposite direction. They're also apparently discussing in the state government a curriculum that is the...

the foil to the Southern surge curriculum where they're just going to like dumb down another generation of California students, even though there's evidence. Remember hashtag science, the science, the science, they love the science. Yes. That says this is not the way to do this. But anyway.

They're not figuring it out, Vic. No. And I mean, the sad thing is what normally happens is some school have a very generous admissions policy. Let them in. But they're overwhelmed by it because they're not meant to be in that school the way I might not be.

not getting accepted into a school because it might have been too much for me or whoever. Instead, they could have been better off at a different college that would have been much more attuned to their needs, and then they drop out. But that's not... the San Francisco schools problem anymore because they're no longer in their schools. They all passed with flying colors and then they get to pat themselves on the back. Even the kids who check all the boxes and get into the good schools.

There are reports now that because of this generation of bad teaching of literacy. They get out of high school without having read an entire book. Yeah, that's right. They can't do it. And they go to college like, wow, that's crazy. They read excerpts. Yeah. They watch movie clips. They discuss in class, but they don't read an entire book. Yeah.

There was one the other day where a student was saying like at a pretty high performing high school that they had been asked to read Night, which is a good choice. Good, serious choice. But Elie Wiesel. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's 118 pages long. So it's not a big read, but it's a serious one.

The other book they had been asked to read was The Hunger Games. Wow. Those were the two they had been asked to read in high school. Not senior year, I don't think. I think it was like all of high school. Wild. It was I remember in my daughter's public school looking at a reading list selection and their selections were all nothing before the year 2000. And again, it was mostly, you know, female indigenous and other minorities who are like and they have.

There are compelling stories in there, and we picked one from a girl from China. You know, okay, that's a good one, but there's other stuff. We had a discussion on the last episode. Regardless of the content, read full books that aren't graphic novels. At any rate, our kids are going to be killing it because they're just like burning their way through the cannon at 9-11 over at my house. Cannon. There you go. Okay. Well.

I had some last show thoughts here. Please. People sometimes ask, do we ever disagree, Mary Catherine? We should more, actually. That would make for better. I have, yes. But there are at least two things that we do disagree on. Okay. Grape nuts and bread and butter pickles. Bread and butter. Boo! I love it. It's a kind of a sweetness. It's tangy. Put it in the burger. It's like relish. It's like what's wrong with relish. Dill or die. Okay, grape nuts. You like the gravel mix.

That's good. Okay. Not for me. Can I give shout outs to everybody? Sure. Again, hiatus, but wherever we go, we're probably not going to be with our current crew. Actually, I'm so sorry. Can we pause? Because I have to pee. Oh my gosh. Okay. Right before your last thought. It's an emergency situation. Go, go, go. You know, that almost, no, no, go. That almost happened to me. That almost happened to me. The look on her face.

I apologize. I think that's the first time in the history of this program I've had to take a bathroom break during the program. So we're just making history right here at the end. This brings me to, this is a perfect segue. To thank all the people who make this show look like it's seamless. Beginning with our great producers here, Phil Wolf, who's been a great trooper through all of this. And of course, before him, Jennifer Hupfel.

And Alex Nestor. Wonderful. Our producer boss, Colin Chocola. And our editor behind the scenes, Christian Dogstrip. So again, sometimes you think that the words just roll off our tongues. i mean who could blame you for thinking that you know flawless yeah we never sneeze or cough and the facts were just at our fingertips no all these guys make us look better

We could put a blooper reel together and that would include things that we said that we thought we shot probably should include in the show. And people would pay for that. The let's not get canceled reel. Yes, yes, yes. And then thank you, of course, the let's not get canceled reel. And thank you. for the listeners. This is again, hopefully a short hiatus, but we enjoy being invited into your homes, your kitchens, your bedrooms and bathrooms or wherever.

And I enjoyed, I enjoyed being recognized. Let's not get canceled. Yeah, no, no. I don't want to, you know, I don't need to know. Maybe I do. And I enjoyed being, getting recognized at places, you know, supermarkets, parking lots, motels, you know. Hey, aren't you? Okay. How often are you at a motel? Yeah, that's what I'm going to say. And then I'm handing it off to you. Let me hand it off to you.

I was just going to say thank you very much. Let's not make this farewell forever. Give me a week at mkhammer.substack.com for updates. Follow all the channels at mkhammer on X. at MK Hammer Time on Instagram. You can follow the show at Getting Hammered Podcast on YouTube and Instagram. We will bring you news as it comes. Thank you for getting hammered responsibly. Hold on for two more days to AAPI Month.

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