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come up with ingenie's stuff. Right what a let's say, necessity is the mother of invention. Let me just tell you what we all know about these lithium ion battery fires. Bro, But I'm gonna give you some mustatsia. In New York City alone since twenty twenty one up fifteen hundred percent, injuries from lithium ion batteries up six hundred and eighty six percent, and death's up two thousand, six hundred and seventy five percent. So what does it do?
What do the brothers do, Bro? They come up with an invention to help fight these fires. So without further ado, we'll have Roofie my man here, bring him in. Let's get him in. I went to the stage from the Turtle Fire Systems Company. We got Buddy and Scott. So that's a buddy monsterla On Hayes and it's get my That's what it was, Wendom. But before we get it, welcome to the show fellos, we're gonna get into your career, but of course first we have to get
patriotic. So John, do you think, Buddy, here we go. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic, which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all, still the best country in the history of the world. Yes, And before we get started, but if you don't mind, before we get started, we have a birthday in the In the chat there, miss Tilly, I wish the happy birthday on Facebook. Happy birthday. You
know I should have done hello to tell you. I figured I was am so sorry about that, but I wanted to wish happy happy birthday, Tilly. We loved it all right. Let's get it to Buddy poncetele On. I call him punk tili On because he's got twenty years on the job and a busy It looks like he still has the paper that that's how young he looks. Brothers like he's riding around his bike with the baseball cards and his pokes from papers on people's lawn. You know, how do you do it?
First of all, that tells how he would stay looking so young before we talk about turtle Schmertel, tell me how you stayed to look at so young, Bro, I told you. I go to Saint Augustine, to the Fountain of Youth. Right, his sister lives down there, Bro, he's got twenty years poltices gentlemen on the Jersey City Fight Department where they do some work there. We had on turpak right rough, and I can get somebody else now, yeah, we had a partridge from Jersey. Oh no,
was he from Newark? I forget? Yeah, all right, but it tell us about your career a little bit, your captain, now, right where you started, when you got on et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Let's get the build up here. Yeah. So I started in O three, I got uh. I got sent to has Met my first two years, which sucked, but I learned some things. What did
you do wrong? Would you pull low Man on the totem pole? I guess, But yeah, I got sent there for the first two years, and oddly enough that has Matt stuff is actually helping me out now because this is all this lithium eye on stuff. It's all happening, you know. So I remember I had to dig deep a little to remember some of that stuff, but it was you know, it was still there. So yeah, then I spent most of my career at Engine ten. We had ten
engine and twelve truck on Halliway Street and Jersey City. Very It was the second oldest house in the city. It got condemned about six years ago. It was built eighteen seventy. I believe I had some history. Horse and carriage, all tough, so pretty cool history to the house. They're currently in the process of trying to restore it to get it back in service.
Where are the companies now, We're relocated to temporary firehouse for now. Okay, Yeah, so Chief Mike Turpak spent his early days there and he was with my old captain, Captain Mark League. I got rested, solely passed away and he passed from nine to eleven illness. Yeah, that's him in the middle there. He was my mentor, broke me in, showed me the ropes. Great dude. Ran A had a toy drive for twenty years in the city, helping all the needy kids in the city. And you
know, he did it up until the day passed. So it was a great mans. When when did you start studying? Do you have a lieutenant and captain or you know? Our city did away with the lieutenant rank a long time ago. Not sure of why, probably political stuff, but above my pay grade. Yeah, they we go firem at the captain a bit of a crazy jump, but we have no lieutenant ranks. So but I got promoted in twenty eighteen, so I got you know, where do you
what company do you have? You aut Luckily enough some of the guys gave me, threw me a bone. Let me get my old company back. Oh wait, wait, luckily enough, Lou Lou, it was sheer luck that that happened. Yeah, yeah, just by chance. Still like we got somebody back in ten can we get oh, let's get pods back on? Yeah, actually in the engine again. So yeah, you're not even in the truck you're in the engine. Wow, yeah yeah, yeah,
engine it's being all away this guy, bro. Yeah. I've had some good fires on the truck on overtime and mutuals and stuff like that, but most of most of my career was a engine engine company. All right, all right, what about you Scott hey guys. Yeah, I came on right after Buddy I came on in two thousand and five. It's my eighteenth year now, and unlike him, my uncle was a battalion chief in Jersey City and made sure I didn't start off it has Matt. He got me
right to heed. Yeah. Yeah. Went to a really great house in midtown Journal Square area. It's fifteen engine on Sip Avenue. We got nine truck in there with us, so it's a nice double house. Same thing, one of those old houses with the uh all that history carriages right out the side. Used to be a deputy chief firehouse as well when we had two divisions. So we've been doing that and be on the pumper my whole career in nineteen years. Bring the same spot the whole time. Yes,
sir, I know you stay out. They stayed through there. Yeah. No, I like it too because when I when I started in that district, it was nothing but you know, wood frame, and now it's becoming a high rise district. They're putting up fifty sixty's an eighty super under construction right now. So kind of enjoying the change. It's kind of like I thought I was wasn't gonna like it, but yeah, like a little hipster
community there right right under water, Like that's downtown, downtown downtown. Yeah, yeah, I'm in Like what is like I said, was like the midtown section with the tallest building was it? Buddy? Was a port authority eleven stories? Now it's eighty. Yeah, it's crazy. Now much district? Are what's that? Are you driving now, Scott? You drive all the time, your chauffa you uh yeah, the way we do it in Jersey City as we rotate, everybody's a chauffeur. So uh it's just every
fourth tour at your day. Does you get narrow the faster you go? Actually, yes, I take chances, Scott, tell me might have a shirt like that. You might want to look on gettalt the just right dressed down there. Yeah, I want I wanted to add something, guys. So a funny story about my old Captain Mark Lee. I'm gonna put this up here. Could you see the helmet there? Bring it up a little bit, let's see. Can I get yes? All right? Yeah?
So funny story. So when we first started working with this device, Tesla, all the car manufacturers were like copious amounts of water, copious amounts of water. So we were trying to we took the Breslin and we took the math from the Breslin right the four a minute at one hundred psi, So we took that. So we finally got to that four ninety five. One day, me and Scotti were static. We were like, we finally got it because it was a lot of like going back and forth trying to keep
the pressures at a good you know, operating pressure. So finally I'm sitting home one night and I was like, why is this forour ninety five? Of like clicking in my head it was my old captain's badge number. Really yeah, So I called this family up and I was like, would you guys mind if I put it on the logo for this? And they love the idea, So a little little story behind that. That's cool. So
who actually came up and how did it come about? Like that you guys were going to create this, So I was I wasn't working for We had our first ev fire. It was in a car plant car warehouse and they shipped the car. It was a brand new car, eighty thousand dollars car I won't say to make came into the warehouse and music. What's that? You could sneeze it. Oh, So I wasn't personally there. My deputy chief for I'm close with He told Chief Menendez, Jersey City has been awesome
with me throughout this process. He has he basically filled me on on the whole process of what they what they experienced. And this fire was in a Class two building. The fire was hitting the steel up top, so he had to start cooling the structure first and then deal with the car fire. They were just putting water underneath the water underneath. They actually tried foam.
This was what was this February twenty twenty two, so it was fairly pretty new still, you know, like people didn't understand exactly what they were dealing with with these things. So they actually grabbed it with a forklift and pulled it out of the building. And he said the only thing the foam helped with was sliding the car out of the building. Yeah. So after that, I talked to him for a bit and I was thinking, what am I going to do if I pull up to one of these with my crew.
So I started messing around with the bresl and I put it on a two and a half and I pulled it under the car to see if it would fit. It got some water to the area we needed. But you know, it wasn't ideal in all situations. Plus you had to worry about the hose burning through and all that stuff. So but it was something. So he pushed me, My chief pushed me. He said, you're onto something here. That concept is great. You got to come up with a
prototype. So I didn't know where to start. I went to home depot. I'm, you know, trying some different things out, and he helped me through the process a little bit, and then I finally got a steel end cap like looked like a steel bowl, got a bandsaw cut it, welded a plate to the bottom, and then drilled through three steel started drilling the holes through. We started with a low amount of holes and then figured to work our way up so we didn't have to plug them. And then
my buddy is showing Prince Engine twenty two Jerry City. Uh. He helped me weld and I'll show you the first Frankenstein model. That's always the best one. Right, Oh yeah, here it is. So that was it, you can see right, yeah. Yeah, So as the welds and I'll show you a little push so it's evolved, but that was the That was the original. Now what's the other one behind you? Is that what you have? Now that's current? So I'll show you the difference. Now,
Uh, here you go. It's not that far off the one you made, Bro, that was good. Yeah, well no, this is more. This one's been deployed five hundred times though. This is this one's tried and done some work. Yeah, it's not that many holes. I thought it was going to be more holes. Yeah they got you got peripheral ones here. Oh on the side. Yeah, there's about ten holes total. But we're we're getting five hundred gallons a minute with this. Yonkers actually
purchased and they wanted to get them. I think they got eight of them for eight of their pumpers. And they called me the one day and they were like, oh, we got we got a problem. We're getting six hundred and thirty gallons a minute. That's like, that's not a problem. That's a great thing. I said, what do you what are you doing we're talking about? He was feeding it with three inch That was pretty cool. But yeah, you try it with did you try the first one out?
Bro? Like you go to a car fire, you tried that thing, You're like, holy shit, it works. I was. I really didn't have We're not allowed to burn too much over here, sore about everything. Yeah yeah, unless you go down south, they let you burn whatever you want. But but yeah, no, we were doing it. You know, my job was great with it. The chiefs there have been, you know, they were excellent. Like I gave the idea and they were like, yeah, you know, just operate safe and try it out.
And it worked out well. I mean, we got all our pressures, like, everything was tested. So the thing is, it's it's bomb proof this thing. It's like, you know, we parked the fire truck on it. The thing's not going anywhere, you know how it was that the battle right with firemen. Yeah, yeah, I can't break anything, you can't break it. But I still will never say that it's fireman proof. I won't understand. That's why I didn't. That was the point. Zero
zero one percent was still yeah five improof, slightly beyond idiot proof. Idiot proof and you can't say bomb on the show, all right, bomb. So Scott is uh, he's gonna be very modest about this, but he is. He's a hydraulic he's my Uh, he's my numbers guy, my pump. He's a pump whiz. He knows that stuff inside out. And he helped me out with all that stuff with I told you we saw her with the Breslin math, but now we had to put it over this dome. So it was like, how do I distribute that? How do I
calculate the holes like the diameter? And he helped me out with all that stuff, and we went back and forth and finally got those numbers that we were looking for. So he was the math nerd. He was yeah. Good. We had to be really careful. Uh. We needed a totality of holes over the whole device, right, But we couldn't just put a bunch of small ones that were equal to that totality. We had to use
large ones so we were compatible with stamppipes. We wanted to work in parking structures and we wanted to be able to past debris, so instead of fifty sixty seventy tiny holes, we went with those big ones for a reason. They're there panic debris. He's already too smart for me. He already lost me. I told you he lost me. You heard debris. Huh. So what was the first time you actually used it on a on a what was a call file? So we the first time I used it, like
I again, I won't say the manufacturer. We went down to one of these places and they actually burned two evs and uh, we tried it there and I wasn't allowed to video, I wasn't allowed to take pictures. We got data and it was all right here. You know, I wasn't allowed to really record anything using it at a real run, at a real car. FI have you? Like, when did that happen? When I used it on an internal combustion engine, not on an electric car? Fire yet?
Right, But there's there's a bunch of them out there in the field, and we encourage everybody that has them to share the videos because feedback. Yeah, everybody's still learning it at the stuff. So data is data right now at this point. So yeah, we're relying pretty heavily on manufacturers right now. They're allowing us since they're allowing the product into the facility and they light the car on fire for their own testing. But again, like Buddy
said, we're not allowed to record any of that data. So we've done very well in those scenarios. But fortunately we can't share them, you know. So let's big departments have it. Chicago bought a couple, Boston and then yonkers around here, Jersey City we have them. Yeah. We actually just changed our running assignment for car fires because of the electric vehicle problem.
We've added another pumper to the We're dispatching another pumper because we're going to assume their evs until they're not and we'd rather have that water in motion instead of waiting and then having the call for it. And how you have exposure problems and the tank is running, you know. So do they special call the turtle now? Uh? Saysey City about special call the turtle? Yeah? Uh so me and Scott just we just finished the s O P and Jersey
City for electric vehicle fires. And I'm very humble and very blessed to have my department have accepted this tool and uh, they're they incorporated into the into the their process here. So we're using the fire blanket, we're using the turtle, and that's kind of our one two punch right now. So we're we're traditionally attacking the car fire, though we're not going away from the basics.
We're still hitting it. With an inchant three quarter hand line, addressing that when that when that turtle is ready, then we're still we're sticking it under the car, starting to cool that battery, and then that's you know, that's how that's our attack right now. The any other uses for it, like yeah, multi stual fire, if there's an EV, if it's one of these scooters or bikes going in an apartment or have you on the awful is the one where you gonna make the old money, Like, holy
shit, this works on here too, you know. Yeah, So that's the crazy thing about this, Like I designed it to be like for electric vehicle fires, for cool in the battery. The Fire Service has given me so much feedback with this thing. Everybody's been like really cool with this and thinking outside the box, and like because it's a master stream, you know, it's it's five hundred gallons a minute, this thing. You could do it. You don't have to always flow it that that high. You could
do it low, but you could still get that big bang there. So if you want to bring up that exposure video, I could show you one of the alternate uses the uh, the other one not the one that you sent me, right, did you have that one didn't load there, So they've come up with exposure protection. So basically we have a lot of frame houses that are pretty close and uh, you throw this in the alleyway,
you're getting the lead. Yeah, you're getting about forty what is it's got forty forty forty five feet something like that, Yeah, and then about thirty five forty in each direct. Yeah, you got some good coverage in that alleyway. And uh, like a water curtain, yes, it's basically a water curtain from the bottom yet. So yeah, so we're I've heard people using it for that. We're doing it for like cylinders, propane tanks, cooling, stuff like that. Scott. What are some other ones? Yeah,
pressure vessels, we had, guys. One of the big ones is now storage facilities like public storage. Yeah, where they're making these high rises. There's no venting in those fires. Yeah, and you know, no bill lading, nothing to say what's inside that you have no So if you can just crack the roll up door, even on a regular taxpayer, crack the door to get it under the roll up, let it rip five hundred
a minute for a few minutes, and then open it up. Must less less chance of it rolling out like a mechanic shop too, with the cars on the lifts and stuff. Yeah, we don't want to make an entry to like we don't want to try and take away the fun from firefighters. We don't want to do that. I don't want to do it. I'm
not gonna you know. But if there's a defensive operation, you got to go to cut a triangle and the roll down, pry it up a little, shove this under, darken it down a little bit, see what you got, and then you know it's an option. I like it. What how heavy is that thing? That's steel? What is it? Yeah, it's steel, it's carbon steel, all us made, the tools, all us made. We're sticking to that. We've been tempted by some of the people trying to say, oh, you could go into national save a lot
of money. Were kicking an American made? So yeah, and what's that? So? Yeah? So the exposures do you need the weight of it? Does that help like keep it steady? Like could you make all the pressure shoots it back into the ground. So it's about eight hundred pounds of force back into the ground when you're flowing five hundred gpm. So it does
not move at all. It's yeah, the weight is really a byproduct of art of the construction materials because we wanted to be able to carry the weight of an EV after the tires and rims burn away, if if the car drops on it. We wanted to be ah, well what does it weigh? It weighs thirty seven pounds much? Come on, Mike Bank pressent that
now for crying out loud. So there was another use that we had that one of the did you guys ever hear of I MTT and they own they they are chemical storage plants, like right on the Hudson and they're like one of the biggest ones around and they store a lot. They have a lot of hazardous material there. So they asked if we could flow foam out of this and I was like, I don't know. It was like I didn't design it for that, but we did it and it errated the foam nice
put a blanket down. So that was that was another application we talked about. Yeah, it was. It was crazy, like people are finding some different uses reality. That's how you're gonna get you get off and people are going to like buying that thing like this, No tomorrow man. You know it's it's not a one trick pony, which is good. You know you're not just buying it for EV's. You're buying it for you could use it for other things. So just gonna your creativity. Man, when you think
can be applicable, I can even say it. But you know, if you think a situation where you can throw a device into play, yeah definitely. And so I'll tell you real quick about the actual design of it, like so it has that. I'll start with why it's called the turtle, because I'm sure you guys like turtle. There you go. That's why I named it the turtle, because I had it in the firehouse in the morning and people are like, what the hell is that thing. It's like,
worry about the turtle, sorry about it. And then three people look at that. That's the finished product of the turtle. Yeah, all polished up. So a few people they were like, yeah, it looks like a turtle. So I was like, all right, that's the name of it. So we'll go from there. But yeah, so the design of it is that, you know, it's it's low profile, so it's going to fit under the cars. We were talking earlier before the show about the height
of about three point seventy five inches. Most evs are four point six to four point eight and that's on the lower end, and so we we can fit under the under the car. The reason for the whole placement is if you have this whole lithium battery going inside, like in this battery pan, we want to cover the whole battery. We don't want to guess and say which module is affected out of all of them. We don't want to try and get that device. We want to just center it and let it cool
the whole thing. So we take the guess work out so fireman could go deploy it, drop it. We don't have to send guys back in there to reposition it. We're covering that back here. You'll see I got the
pipe back here, so that's the pipe is part of the system. The reason I developed the pipe was it was common sense, right, you have to if you have the device centered and you have the hose line attached to it, first thing it's going to go is yeah, yeah, yeah, because you've got these flames coming from underneath, so your hos is going to be the first thing that goes. So that was that was an easy one. So I got the pipe. The pipe actually is our handle to deploy,
so we push it in place. With that, I'll call you chief again. I know they're going to break your shops, but you want to bring up that deployment video, then do your advertisement video. Yeah that's good. Ye, all right, there we go. This will show you a little bit more on the deployment stuff. Hi. I'm Buddy Hayes. I'm a professional firefighter in New Jersey. Our department encountered its first electric vehicle fire in twenty twenty two and we had to find a way to combat this.
I started to think of solutions from me and my crew. When we approach one of these They mentioned in the NFPA that copious amounts of water through the undercarriage of the vehicle is the approach to take. We use some already established math to develop the system. We did quite a few prototypes and eventually landed
on the one we're using. Now, wow, look at that. After we were successful and we're happy with the water flow and the gpn P s. I my deputy chief also said, you know what, you have something here with this idea push forward, get a prototype and here we are now the turtle. The turtle was born at Wow. So you can run away in these cars? Is there the name of the game? Right now? You can get this thing deployed early enough and stop that thermal runaway, you
have a good chance of saving life and property. I'm just making situations better. I don't want to hear that video anymore. Yeah. Yeah, when you go to the show, right, that's just keep repeating the same. You bring that into the ghetto too, and you make a sprinkle of the case. Bro, you're laughing. One of the departments we sold to did that for a community outreach and swear to god, there's a billion uses for this thing. Bro. Yeah, I like it, man, So listen,
maybe out of the out of the game a little bit. Is that underneath is the best way to put these things out? Is that that's the scenario so far? Yeah? So right now, like I'll never we'll never as a company, we'll never claim to be able to extinguish the fire with this tool. This is another tool that's going to add to the the solution.
So we're we're cooling the battery. That's how our concept behind this tool is to cool the battery because we can't get water into the battery case and then and then into the like where the celts are, So our best effect effective way is to actually cool the underside. So if like one cell goes off inside a module, you want to stop it from properly, yeah, you want to stop it from propagating to all the rest. So that's why cooling is the optimal way right now. It's our only way really, because
we don't have anything else that's going to go in the piercing nozzle. From the manufacturers, they say no with that, like, they don't, they don't recommend doing that. I'm not an advocate of lifting the car at all. I don't think that's safe because any of these at any time when this thing's off gassing, that thing can let loose and you've got a twenty five hundred degree flame that's going to be right at someone's face when they're lifting this
car. So I don't think that's a good tactic. So cooling from underside is, yeah, the best way we've experienced so far. Yeah, and there's basically what we'll call a firewall between the occupants of the vehicle and the battery underneath. So approaching it from the top is you never really get it. You're never gonna be able to really penetrate, so you really got to
come at it from the bottom. But with only five six seven inches of clearance if you're lucky, right, So what gods, what are they doing? They just stretching the line and getting low and shooting the water up into the bottom of the car. That's what it's to bounce it off the off the pavement and try and hit it that way. I've seen some departments try and lift it. I've seen Actually, this is crazy. They buried one in the sand. That was like, I mean that that's crazy. But
who has the resources to do it? Like you said earlier, this is it's still evolving. So we're still learning as the fires are taking place. We haven't had enough TV fires to really determine what the best solution is.
But like you said, were a little things that the submerging or suffocating of the fumes is turned on not to be Yeah, and that's a burying and the foam that stuff's proven not to be good for that, right, And that's the crazy thing because like it's not like a regular fire where you could just snuff it out. The private of oxygen. You can't do that with these as exactly, they produce oxygen when lithium ion burns, so it's a byproduct. So you're not going to snuff it out. You're not going to
put the blanket on and suffocate it. You know, it's not going to happen. So that's that was the real challenge of it. So we're actually we're using the blanket. Speaking of suffocating, we're using the blanket for exposure protection, which is pretty cool. Like if you have a whole line of cars, instead of addressing the car it's on fire with the blanket, throw it over the exposure car like and stop the almost like a row frame type of attack. You know, you're trying to say, give up that one,
save the next. So huh yeah, it's uh, I like this thing from many of these fires? How many? How many? I mean every time I look online somewhere there's always some thing about electric call fire. But what is there numbers? Like how you know across the country, Like I know Paulie Rodgers talked about that and like we were talking earlier in the pre Shiow Cassidy uh is it each was talking about that, like what how often are they happening? And is it? You know, obviously there's more
people with electric cars now right than every every day? Is that how it was trying to ram them down your throat and get rid of the they are they are? And the crazy thing is they're not stopping, you know, they're they're just they're pumping them out and they're not going away. The technology may change down the road, talking years down the road, that may change things, but it's not going to stop the influx of them now. They're
offering them for cheaper now, so they're just coming onto the road. I actually seen one in New Jersey. Some guy made his own EV and uh, he threw these batteries together. He actually made a charging port on the car and we saw when it was burnt up but on fire. Yeah, I was gonna say it was flaming. Yeah he failed that one. But yeah, it's they're they're not going away, and I don't think I think the rules and regulations are trying to catch up to the times right now.
Uh will they get there? I don't know. Parking structures biggest biggest problem right now for us, that's gonna be our biggest problem. Imagine going into an enclosed parking structure, trying to find the shut off for an EV that's on a charger, Like, how are you gonna find that there's no markings, Like, it's going to be difficult. It's the other cause on fire. Now you have both burn it, you have yes, and then you
have structural concerns. Yeah, that's the problem we have here now is they want to regulate the evs to maybe just the first floor and not let them go. You know, they're looking to make those changes for us down here already. Yeah, to limit that every other floor having a plug yep. Yeah. Are the main concern right now, right with the concrete is the spawling. So we're trying to teach right now, when you get an EV fire, say it's on the first floor, that first hose line, cool
the bottom, cool the top, then hit the car. You know, start calling that colt structure first, you know, because we're always taught that up top is our concern. But here the fires originated under under the car twenty five hundred degrees. You have a very big concern of spawling underneath as well. So you got to address both the weight of the vehicles too. Is as an afterthought too, of these vehicles a lot heavier than your standard
uh combustion engine. So I think the battery packs, the uh that hum V, that ev hum V is like ten thousand pounds. Yeah, yeah, really heavy, so that they're in some weight, which is another concern to to when these fires take off. That load is also concentrated because they're all they all to park up against those parking uh, the charging stations, so you know right where they're going to be. They're all going to be
together. She had that concentrated load any of the fire damage. Yeah, So one of the one of the thoughts I was I had for these parking structures, these spots with the charging stations, if you just put like a little wall, like maybe a three four foot wall maybe in between each one, so if the thing is going, it's not shooting off into the next car, you have at least some sort of protection there to stop and spread from car to car. Like the manual car washers that you go in,
they have little baths that you pull into exactly, yep, exactly. That's something. But they're going to catch up with all that soon, but they're not up to date with it yet, so we we're still learning on the fly. Roofie, thank god. What we're talking to get a little parking garages? What times the raking came on? What I got slipper Man place? You know with the eye on batteries? Yeah, and you know what those scooters when you drop in New York, you're just gonna say that,
Yeah, everywhere, overywhere, but everything, guys got them. That's the thing though, is gonna make sure people don't confuse a lithium ion problem with the ev Yes, the same, but the lithium ion, as you guys see in New York City is running rampant and it's just slowly starting to spread everywhere else they are. Yeah, how would those guys putting those out? Like, I mean, we've talked about on the show, but like the
scooters, like do those things stay lit forever? Too? Like like these cause it's the same process the way they burn, it's just on a smaller scale. So what we're doing now, we're actually going to start writing the sop for a ound micro mobility device sop. And one of the things is we never pass fire in a house fire, right, We never go take
the hose line past the fire. So it's gonna be the same concept because we have the chance of this thing lighting back up, so we don't want that thing to block the egress or to potentially burn through the hose, and now you gotta crew without water in there and possibly bailing. So it's going to be the same thing. We actually had a fatal about two months ago,
and it was a battery fire on the first floor. The lady didn't really know the dangers of this, and she threw a cup of water on it thinking it was okay, and then it took off and unfortunately someone passed on the second floor. So the guy, one of the captains there, did a great job of saying, dedicate that backup line to that battery. I know it's a lithium ion battery because he hit it, knocked it down a little, but then he saws out. He called the radio second line,
get to that battery, and then he's gonna go push forward. So I think the thing that they're going to be doing, I think it's the best way to handle it, safest, safest way. Yeah, we were we were talking, uh Captain Gustin down to Miami and uh, great guy, like we were talking about this stuff and how you know, you never passed fire, so why would you pass this if it has the chance to sign a better chance of reigniting. I mean about the guy he was supposed
to get on the show. He's I actually saw him when I saw Chief leave the other day. He's like, yeah, I let you know, or I didn't forget. So that was just to let me know what I spoke to. You speak to him? I think I did. I spoke to somebody from Miami. I don't know it was him. Yeah, this is a quick This is a twenty second video. How fast these things burn? Just so you guys can see the scooters. Where where is it?
This is in the house right here, all the right. Watch it starts smoking and starts off casting just so while we're talking about it, so we can add to it. Watch how fastest thing goes? Whoa ship? Dude? He grabbed the dog. He made a good grab, Dann Bro. Yeah you got again, bro recordings. At least at least they at least they grabbed a kid. I was ready to see him. There was a dog. The dog got scared here at the beginning. This is a classic
lithium ion battery failure. So how this goes down is exactly how this goes down. I regret the kid. Yeah, oh wow, that's why even get off that couch with that kid. He's dead and the kid's dead. Crazy. So yeah, one of the biggest things besides the fire load, how it goes from like thirty seconds of like nothing well I shouldn't call it nothing but off gassing till almost flash over conditions right like it goes quick.
The vapors are one of the big concerns as well. You know. So now with auto extrication, we have to try and remember where I'm actually going on Wednesday to Chicago. I'm doing a class. You ever hear of a Junkyard dog extrication Lieutenant Chris Soda from Chicago. Great guy going up there with him to do a training exercise, and we're doing extrication on air. The guy's going to be on air because we're going to simulate the ev off gassing
and we have a trapped occupant. So now you have to consider putting a rip pack on the victim as well while you're doing the extrication. And then the reason he asked me to come was they want to deploy the turtle as well to do a low flow mode to cool the battery. So the reason being is when you pull the disconnect, the twelve zero disconnect on these batteries, you're not only just disconnecting part of the battery, you're disconnecting the cooling
system. So now you took away all cooling properties inside that battery pack. So now we're supplementing that cooling with the turtle flowing underneath that a low flow and it does work like as far as the water doesn't get in the way of the extrication, because I thought that was my that was my main concern at first. But when we're doing it all low flow, it doesn't. It doesn't interfere at all. So it's pretty fifty ps. You've flown it low flow. Yeah, we go right, Scotty, what would you say,
thirty to fifty? You can go as low as twenty and it's it's going to be enough. Only because your target is only two three inches above the top of the turtle full coverage. You can let the bottom of the car stay cool. If the thing takes off on you, the chauffeur, no matter, just throttling up and send it and just give all five hundred and then that's supposed to buy you the time to make the rescue. Well,
you know, the crew's gotta keep that in mind. Man, they puncture that battery your cose uh that throm a runaway, that's that's a game changer for an extrication with these eass It is for that scooter, bro, buddy, Scotty. Scotty is to you as Cassidy was to me. What I said that that's your Cassidy right there. Funny and you know ms and the you know, the low flow and this, and I'm like the straight face to like and I'm like, you know, you're like this, that's
why you just gotta you know, directed to Scott. Scott well flowing on that one there. Oh yeah, what you got a question about another? Scott, take that with you. You got to come up on the scoonters like the mini turtle. Yeah, I mean we got a hose line for that. But there is a thing we are trying to you know, you want to take it out of the building safely. You don't want to hold this thing in your hand and walk out the building. Either, get it
on a shovel, wrap it up. You know, you just want to get it out of the building, make the container to get it out, dumping the container right outside the door. They has Matt has those they got the overpacking drums A right. Yeah, do you have to be in touch with with these things to you know, how do they get it? Egg and all that stuff? How do they get it? Like, what's the story for us? You're saying, Oh, yeah, so our linkers on
the screen there, Uh, Turtlefiresystems dot Com. Uh, you could email in they get you get a price quote there and you know, any questions could be filtered through there. Any questions of the right to Scott's mail bots and every question. Yeah, any number of questions we forward right to Scott. So you guys you said you guys bought one too, Yes, we did. I was gonna wait for that to get Yeah, we bought one with the We're gonna do the one two punch with the fire blanket mainly for
the exposures if it need be with the with the Turtle system. Now, yes, it's actually I'm getting ready to roll it out of the service probably early January. I was gonna carry it probably right now because we have just the one is probably gonna be put on our BC truck for right now,
because the BC truck does the EV plug. That's what you talked about, the cooling system and de energizing the vehicle, not the energized vehicle, excuse me, disabling the vehicle so it doesn't move, so it's in conjunction with that and activating the cooling system itself. So we have until we get more money to buy some more devices. This is a this is a tool that we just added to the arsenal. I'm glad you spent that on the turtle bro. Yeah we did. Yeah. Actually, so you said you had
a couple you have it? Is that yours? That's that's not mine? That's his? The one of the show in full and close up for the for the picture of course, man, I think that's Engine ten in the background, is it? That was actually Engine five? And uh Nick Cargo Jerry City Fire took that picture for us, all right. I was trying to give you some little credit there for engine tent. But we just got a new rig our old one wouldn't have been photo worthy. But is there
like a training like guys, what do you mean? Like are you getting guys trained up to speed with it? Is that what you're trying to do because it's we've just finished in a policy. We're kind of fine tuning that stuff because if we just put some information out to kind of handle it. Because again it's like I said before, it's so new that we're still learning as we go. So it's kind of you make the policy and then we're
gonna learn something and then we're gonna make a change to the policy. But yeah, we give them a couple of little things so they can battle this at least get the ball rolling, and then just enough information to hopefully be successful if if we have some with the s OP like it's gonna be it's gonna be a document that stays open forever, you know, because technolog he's gonna change, so we're gonna have to update that thing. And Scott.
Scott's been great. We worked in conjunction with numerous departments. A lot of people shared some information back and forth, and it was really cool, very cool experience because we talked to l A, we talked to Miami, We talked to these guys in Coral Springs, you know, uh, Lieutenant Cassidy over New York. I picked his brain, you know, just a bunch of guys and everybody's been helpful, so we've been collaboratively attacking what's his uh,
you know, initial impressions of it, Cassidy. He he liked it for the versatility aspect. So if you have a car, you don't necessarily need five hundred gallons a minute. You could gate it down a little bit and flow it a little bit lower. But if you have a truck or a bus, you're gonna need bigger water. So you have the versatility to go back and forth. Oh, we'll talk, we'll talk to you know what I mean. We'll make him an offer you can't refute. Sure,
Yeah, it's a friend of mine. He's a friend of ours. Money and Scott a friend of ours. Bro. So there you go. You take that, you and you see you buy that, bro. I think I think that's the best thing about the whole thing is is that you get information as as it's being used from each place, like you know, yeah, and then you start to uh you know, spread that information out to those guys too, you know what I mean. So learning, like you said, so new exactly, we got that lack of data. So you
know, the car manufacturers probably have a lot of this stuff. But they're not sharing it because nobody wants to show that they have an issue. So excuse me. Yeah, they're not gonna be able to pat You got a patent, yeah, patented in multiple countries. Yeah nice, yea it forget about it. I was gonna make one in aluminum, but maybe not great alum with them light as well. Bro. Yeah, make a phone call.
Oh a guy that's expensively, I'll bean that down. We could go, yes, sir, I think John Costello has a question for oh does he does he? What? Uh? And then I'll see what he's got here. So in navy crash from the very has it lit off? Is anyone monitoring with a tick while the systems are being safe? It is for us. It is part of scanning the vehicle because you're going to have a clue if the vehicle or the battery is starting to heat up on you.
Mm hmm absolutely really yeah, So it's it's we're actually not too far when we have our first ev fire, which is just a matter of time. We can't release a vehicle to a tow company, to anything until it's below two hundred degrees, so we have a thresholder we have to wait till it gets to before we can release the vehicle. So I'm sorry, I was gonna say. We use thermommaging camera as a trending device just to watch and we see if it's the battery trending upward or downwards. If it's if it's
trending upwards. Obviously it's still in thermal run away. It's still warming. Yeah, for sure, our water application is helping it to trend downwards. We know we're on the right path, and we know it depends on the vehicle before the most part, the undercarriage of the vehicle has a lot of them. Now they have other vehicles that they have an app out there that we use. It's that you can identify with some of the batteries out,
but they're mainly in the undercarriage of the vehicle. Yesnder carriage broke, Sure ncarriage is clean. So one of you guys from FD and Y developed that EV rescue app right, and yeah, yeah, so I'm friends with him. We chatted occasionally and you know he he developed a great program. Like you just have that on your phone. You search the car because you're not sure of where the cut the disconnect may be. You know, information there
and you have it really quick. So he has some ridiculous amount of downloads he does, like, we just we downloaded it and we pump it out to every one of our trucks, so they have it on the truck phone and the m C T They have it that they could go to if they need it. Yeah, Rob, Procaccini wants to know if you guys do demonstrations you come so they just yeah, he could, he could email us and we'll respond. Put that email up again there? All right, bro,
here's an email. Let's let's see we got that boom right there? You go, I'll put it in. You know, Procaccini is tight with Captain Marie. You know now that's Chief barus so pro. That's the connection, h Bob. Can I get you another cup of coffee? Bob help help that the cap doesn't well, he's cheap over there. I hope he doesn't stop short, Procachin. I can't get any further up there, bro, really, I mean, what's got any more questions? Because I actually
I love this. I love this device, bro. I love the bolt the uses for it too. That's awesome. You only limited to your creativity with it, my friend, your ingenuity on our Instagram page. We have a bunch of the videos for alternate uses and stuff like that. We have a pretty cool one we rolled down and throwing it inside the Class two structure and you can see how much coverage are you getting. What's the Instagram page?
Is it the turtles? It's Turtle fire systems. Turtles are turtles, Turtles are russ I like it. Any questions in the chat, come on, fellas and look at Susie throwing this out here do the demo and then Rob's going to demo his wife. Whoa, I get that. Look at Susie's on him. The commission want to know, give me a ballpark figure? Please, that's what he said? What's that? Where is he? Where's the commission? Where did they miss them? Sorry? I was trying
to oh, big John, Big commission? Way below? Yeh bullprop bullpark. Want to answer a couple of couple of these now, it's it's around the ballpark of four thousand. You know, we're we're we're working on getting that price to a different number. But that's right now, that's roughly around that area. It's American, mate, it's all American. Keeping that protective brothers so they don't have to be standing close to the car banking it off
the pavement. Yeah, it's keeping us. It's keeping guys out of that toxic atmosphere. You know, there's we in our s O p. It says to try and operate out of that toxic vapor if you can, if you can, you know, not all cases we're going to be able to do that. Like in closed parking structure, obviously you're gonna you're gonna be in it, and you know that sucks. A lot of these studies haven't come out yet on the turnout gear, on how this stuff is sticking in
that turnout gear and just you can't decontaminate it. And that's one of the things with the fire blankets. All these guys that bought the multi use, like nobody knew at the time, they're saying it's a single use now because you can't decon the blanket. So a lot of people bought multi use blankets thinking all right, I could do this for thirty car fires. Now we got to get in the blanket business. Screw pizza cutter, stop making bikets.
No, the pizza cutters out its way, pizza cutters covering the partner saw pizza cut it. It's common. It goes there. It is that these guys heave lives. We make things that cut pizza, retired life. It's all about bro It don't suck. Although you see they've been flying rough. Did you see it Disposah, Well yeah, it's the the dcon is no joke that shoot is in there man, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And to speak to that on that decon one of the things we put in Jersey City with our s O P. Once this goes to it's definitely an eedy fire and it's definitely a vehicle. We immediately call MSU or Mask Services and just get bottles delivered to the scene. And the whole idea there is to promote the use of bottles because you've only got one or two on the
rig. The likelihood of you actually using your bottle and going on air it's pretty slim because you're waiting for when the fire gets worse and you might actually wind up walking into something you shouldn't look into and breathing something you shouldn't. So now we're just going to deliver bottles and just give you as many as you want. I used my mask when I went to regular cal Fire and the other companies used to fucking yeah, give you the look and the laugh
later on. Yeah, yeah, but it's uh yeah, it's not something to mess with. If they're saying that bad, let's just take them serious because why why do you want to find out the hard way? You know, I'm not a scientist, but I listened to the guys that uh you know, we're in the labs. Can't insulting napkins. I think you guys are going to do all right with this thing. I appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah, up there one more time, Johnson, if you have
any more questions before we I like it. I like the name. I like to hold on behine Yards got that systems? Have you? Have you gone to any of the shows yet? Yeah? We were in fd I C in Indianapolis and you didn't stop by, you know now you know we go every year, all right, Yeah, let me see we were We might not be drinking by eleven a m. I don't know, it happened. We were on the line. We might find other uses for the turtle
at that point, but who knows. Yeah, this is a little something I want to show my partner in crime at work, one of my buddies. All right, you have the nine to eleven one or you have the story. Yeah, there you go. There's my guy right there. Who's that guy? That's Dwayne. He's been around the firehouse for years. He's a buff. Yeah yeah, Dayne. He probably knows every box in the city. Bro right, Yeah, Yeah, that's my guy right there. He washes the rigs, you know, he cleans up a little around the
house. You guys got my nice jacket, dude, Yah, got him a nice one. That was one of the chiefs got him that. I think that was the one we bought him for Christmas. I love those jackets. Man, does Dwayne do? B I because so and about Dwayne, he's a couple of cards, knock a couple of buildings up. That's uh oh yeah. That was a nice picture from this year right at Liberty State Park. Nice. Yeah, that's me and my whole crew there. Good crew. I'm lucky. I got some good guys. Nice. They all
got the mustache is going right now. So they got the old fire apartment. They twisted it up or is it the yeah one more, I have this really quick on the side of the car. Yeah, it was it mutes you out. But that was the one we did down by us. That was ama was that that was a GMC escalate. What's that coops car? Yeah, but I had the name the GMC Sierra. Yeah. It's
very hard to get your hands on an ivy to light a fire. Now, so will from what I understand where this close is actually doing a full demonstration where we're actually create the thermal runaway and let it do its things so we can actually see what it does. And yeah, we love smart Conzo. Don't you love when Smart she has gone all right, that's chief Console. Other days when he's just doing silly sound of it, he's knit with consopt. Sorry, hey, hey, you're talking to my guy all wrong.
It's wrong tone, wrong doing again, stabbing her face with a soldering Hi, yeah, a faith for the turtle. Sorry, how they go back? Sorry? You're doing the other shows, bro, just besides ft I see nothing. Yeah, we did a couple other ones around we were in Harrisburg, bro. All right, well now I know now I know how you put the face. I'll be looking because coming. Yeah, if you got spray paint five thousand, I just went off from right, all right, guys, Thanks for coming on the show man. I love it.
Guys hook up and we're doing Harrisburg, We're doing Indy. Those are the two next ones, right bro. Yeah, well we'll see you in Indy. Yeah, Bro, Louis loves taking new guys out to dinner, So come on, come on over, stop by the booth. Actually, I think they o us right, doesn't guy Jamie once? Source? It's their turn, ain't it like it's always? I don't know. Maybe we'll get the little guy too. Vincey's showing up this year. Maybe we got hit the boys dinner. Yeah yeah, all right. Anyway, Uh Thursday,
my boys here the roof apartments. We got Chief Jane Jonas. We're talking about the Macy's Fire, bro, a very important job. We got the Macy's Fire coming up. And then the following week we have Van Johnson. This whole career a lot of one four Captain Tony Karako and some other guys coming up. So I want to wish Ruofi the best of luck killing innocent animals. I hope you get him right in the heart the job, Ruth. Kill him quick, all right, don't leave in his misery.
Knock him down fast, all right, we'll see Rookie when he gets back, and you guys will see you at the show. Thanks for coming on, Thanks for having us guys back to luck Man. Really, I think you guys are do well with it. Appreciate all right, we'll see you. Any last words, anything else, no, no, thank you guys. Until Thursday, stay long and goo. All right, everybody will see it the big one. Thanks boys. All right, guys, thank you, have a good night.