GETTIN SALTY EXPERIENCE PODCAST Ep 203 | FDNY CAPT. MARIANNE MONAHAN

Exclaimer. We'd like to know before the start of this interview that the opinions about to be expressed by the guest of tonight's Getting Salty Experience Podcast are that of the guest and do not directly or necessarily reflect the views of the host of the Getting Salty Experience Podcast. You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience Podcast. Hello, Hello, Sammy Peters on your birthday. She's the Birthday Girl's

Birthdays, the Birthday Girl, Happy Birthday. Doug Doyle Louis's pressure testing his new stands. I just want to say, like, for the record, I was way on the yeah way he Actually I don't even think you let out one F bomb. No, not at all. I like I called the Michael again, and if every time I'm proud of them, I call boy, that's our son, that's us, my boys, that's that's my

boy. A great job. Welcome back and getting told these previous podcasts, it's the only one that brings the Firehouse Table to you, the Letherhead Nation, the true superheroes of the world, the fire five Nation. Yep, that's us. We're back. We got one more show and then we're going right out to Harrisburg to do the Buffer Palooser to Harrisburg. Buffer Paloser will right, Mike, let's play that. Let's let's do a little advertising for the Buffalo. Yeah, we'll get serious ship that. Me and Louis got

a straighten out here. It is you want reader or you want me to I don't see anything on the screen. You don't see it. I'm sharing it right now. Oh there is Oh there you reading? Mike, you got the voice? Okay. Join the world's leading manufacturers and representatives of fire, emergency medical services, rescue, and public safety equipment at the twenty twenty

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me and Louis, because that's what we'll be doing. We don't see that well, we don't, all right, We don't, not well, not before twelve doon anyway, So I don't smell like pooped there either, So don't worry about excellent, all right. So we got to clear a little something up rough right, because we had our feathers ruffled a little today, a little bit. And normally I would do a goods rant, but uh, I think we should have done a roofie rant because he was fine.

I was good. I was good. I think I was more upset you will, so I don't know if you guys remember way back we had on Tony buck Ruffle and the guys who never met him before, but they heard from somebody who heard from somebody who hurts from somebody that he's not a good guy. This is something similar to that. So guys talk on the atennet and you think that my man eagle eye ruffie over there is not gonna see you. Let me tell you something contry and monfrere. My boys sees everything.

So there's some guys talking who still got something up their rear ends about women that got on the job. I understand it. I got a dude. You can have whatever opinion. I don't really care what the opinion is. But when you throw something on there that says, oh, you know what, they're not going to ask the hard hitting, the kiss ass. We kiss asked, we kiss asked, We asked these softball questions. You know what I say to you, go fuck yourself. That's what I say

to you. I'm sorry, I'm getting a little heated, but that's what I say to you. You sip behind you fucking keyboard. You know who me and Louis are. We're right here. Everything we say is recorded, So go back and look at that his number. I'll talk to him if I had some questions he wanted some questions, tough questions being answered, like

we haven't answered. We have asked you, like we didn't have our chief and igro and asked him tough questions about you know what the sickness, right, we didn't have lowist on and answer what it was like, you know, getting on like that. We didn't ask any of it. We're not going to ask any of those questions tonight, right, none of those. On top of that, there are guests we have to be. We're respectful no matter what your opin Louis say all the time. I don't care what

you got between your legs. As long as I turn around on the five floor and you're still there, I don't care what color you are, I don't care what you like. I don't care anything. As long as we're doing the job together. That's all I care about. So for all you guys out there who still got a heart on from nineteen eighty two, you know what I mean, Man up already. You'll go find you safe space. I don't know what you gotta do either one, whatever you gotta do,

but know that we ask. There's a way to do it. You don't have to say, you don't have to Just send us an email. Just send an email and say, hey, listen, lou this thing still irks the shit out of me. You know, is it possible you can ask these questions. How about that, that's a that's a pretty good one. No, no, don't do that. Don't do that. No, no, no, no, don't gave man? Why right, you know, just bash somebody on the internet that you have no idea because it's easy

to do and nobody's ever going to call you out on it. Yeah, well, what's the old Mike Tyson line. People are way too comfortable saying things that in real life will get them punched in the face. Right right, get back. And you know what, bro, that's why we came up with that shirt at that time with Tony Buck, because that's what men do, because men don't do men don't Yeah, hold on, Louie, adults don't do that. I'm all the clumped over here. I'm all settle

all right, let's move on. Now. We've got a great guest on tonight. We're gonna ask the tough questions, well as the question that she don't seem like she gives a ship what we ask you. Honestly, she's done it, so whatever, I agree, that's what I say. Right, and you catch out someone. You see some of those younger those pictures from the wayback groof' you know, what I'm saying. I'm not saying what I'm saying. Watch even now, that's what I'm saying about. I can't

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Do I call it Captain? I should, yes, question, So she tells me to call it Marianne. Then I'll call marian I told the Marianne is hotter than Ginger anyway, So I do believe that, all right. Let me get that I was probably fifty fifty back then. Probably you No, I'm just saying in general, if you took a survey, maybe it would have been fifty to fifty. I don't think it was all ginger. Yeah, not this Marian Marian on Gildgenzi episode. Mike, Mike,

you got you got the I got it ready. I'm already coming to the stage, Captain Mary and on hand. Let me hear it. What's up, young lady? How are you guys? Pay Gilligan, I'm getting off the silance. He's got all the answers. That's Mike. All right, before we get started, let's do our things, all right. You gotta

get patio. Yep. Here we go, without further ado, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. You know. I'm gonna stick in with the old tradition. The word of the night, the word of today. Man, I don't didn't tell you before. The word of the day is ginger. All right, let's type it up. We got that TikTok and a getting back had probably

disconnected. Yeah, I don't know what'll work through it. Welcome to the show, Captain Monahan. You know what it sounds like a TikTok. I don't know. We can while you talk when when she's ready to answer World Commuter. But in the meantime we can be Michael is Michael. I'm so proud of him right here, all right, So let's go back. Let's go back to when Captain Monahan was a young lady. Where you grew up, what made you want to be a fine and we told me a little

about it. We have almost almost front of the same type of life. Right you were a teacher, I want I was studying to be a teacher. So talk to us. Why do you want to switch where you grew up? Give us a little about the early life of miss Baby and manahad Oh. I grew up on Indean Street, if they have no back in the day where you know, it was not a great place to live. My mom was a widow. It was what we could afford. We lived in a you know, three story for a story. Woke up and I

had no intentions. I wanted just doga's a girl. I wanted to grow up, get married and have kids. And my mom, because she was a widow, at a very young age, when I was six, I was like, oh, no, new new. You have to learn to take care of yourself. So after I graduated from high school, I mean, my mom was a huge influence in my life. She conspired with her friend who worked at Brooklyn College to sign me up to go to Brooklyn College.

And next thing I know, I'm in Brooklyn College. I'm like, oh, I guess I'm being a teacher, because you know how you have the same schedule as kids. And that's what I did. I went to school to become a teacher. I got my master's degree in psychology, and I became a specialised teacher. That's why you're I see that you're watching me. She's got the psychology degree, right, she's analyzing me. She's watching. She's always watching. You don't need a lot out and I don't charge

much for what school you start teaching at. I start teaching in Ozone Park on Suturry Avenue. I was there for a year and then I got a job in Howard Beach. I taught emotional disturbed boys. Now it's all making sense. Roof. That's why she's looking at me. I see, I see the look. And because you look like a special needs coopie. Yeah, it could be the mohawk and it's crazy. It could be the crazy eyes. I don't know, all right, So what why all of a

sudden you get this calling to be a firefighter? OK? Yeah, there's no druma here. It's like, so my mom remarries, you know, sheos my dad with her, said, she remarries. When I'm seventeen. She lets me live in Brooklyn with my aunt because I was going to Saint Joseph's High School down downtown Brooklyn where Metro Tech is as a matter of fact now and uh so my mom, you know, we're living in a valley stream now and uh my brother and his really best friend who's steady deceased.

But there were studying for the fire upartment written exam and I go downstairs and nest studying, you know, and you know, I'm just like breaking chops, you know. I'm like, guys, come on, like a freaking monkey could cast this cast a three year olds like, are you kidding me? You guys are gonna started with it monkey, you know. So I was just kidding around, you know, And then my mom got win that

it was the first time that Dwaine could take the test. Well, the next thing, you know, the way, she signed me up for Brooklyn College. There I was signed up to take the fight off fantast And it was on a Saturday. It was in the fall of nineteen seventy eight. I was already teaching, and there I was my little teacher bowl last and my little plates, scared and my little pumps going to take this test.

And the only thing I remember about that day is that I was like, there's no other women here, Like this is odd, Like I just didn't guys, you were, But I knew I wasn't paying I don't know. I don't know if I was. I was just not paying attention. As a matter of fact, I still have my original test. This is the original test I took. Wow, she still has the original test. I scored a ninety. I look at the questions wrong and go, yeah, you were stupid. I thought I was so small. But yeah, so

this is the original test. Let me ask you this. When I when I took the test, I was thinking, like, I mean, I knew some five fighters, Like did what were you thinking like for yourself? Like were you like you were just going to learn to crawl around and smoke like we all do. But I'm saying like we're nervous about any of this, to be honest with you. And I took the written test. I was perfect Cabby as a teacher, and I was just like, my mom wants me to do this, Okay, I'll take them. Oh and my

brother was also taking them and test. My brother was more invested in this, uh, you know, clearly more than I was. I already had a job that I loved, and yeah, so I went, I took the written test. Uh. My brother, my brother was a big, big influencer in terms of like he wanted me to come out. Uh. They had some kind of training sites set up. It was something I think pudgy wolfs. I think it was pudgy wall. So my brother would go and you know, and my brother was like an amateur boxer. I mean

he really like was totally into you know. Uh, and he helped me a lot, but I just I wasn't interested. So I took the written and that was it. I didn't give it another thing written. You know, that's a good question. I really don't know, you know, what he failed because there was well you know about that physical right, but it was a poors that physical where they had to wear the mask and look like on the ledge or something. Yeah, and I believe that he missed that.

Yeah, so that's where he felt it pay because he's strong. I does a big guy, but he's a strong guy. And yeah he excellent, excellent. But you know, so that was that and I never really gave it enough thought. What he what did he go on to do?

He became correction off my family police. Yeah, job correct. I don't remember how many people ended up passing that exam, but a lot of guys didn't past the exam, right, I don't know what the numbers were, And that's kind of what people were saying for the most part was that I

guess the women were able to take a different exam and the guys. A bone of contention, it still is, you're talking about like how many years, four years later, I'll still run into somebody that will say, oh, I can get the job, but somebody did get the job, because still like still whatever the he was, you know, I get that. I totally get that because I have nothing to hide, I have no agenda

here. I'm just here to have a nice conversation. With you, gentlemen, and whatever you want to ask me about that, please feel free to do something right. So, at the time, did you take the original physical? And I never took the physical? Do you even have a chance to take that? They just gave you a different physical? Well, okay, this is what happened. So, as I told you, I was in my little happy life, a teacher. I got married. I was like, you know, living to drink. I was totally happy. And

I lived next door to my mother in Valley Stream. We had a jacent property. So I'm living next door to my mother in Maalo Stream. And somewhere in March or something like that, I don't remember. I'm sure we can research it, my mother comes flying through my front door. I'm getting dressed, right, you know, spool to work, and my mother comes flying through the front door with the daily news in her hand. Look this

up in the media. They're gonna hire and wi fi. I'm kind of wister and you gotta walk into this and I'm just like I was just not, yeah, okay, what have you know? And then the next thing, you know, and I actually have these things here. The next thing you know, April, I start getting lettuce from Devil Boys Clutch. Then I'm part of a class action too, And of course, you know, look, I was really close to my mother and my mother was always in

my house and together there like the boy. Yeah okay union, Yeah okay what. And then around April fifteenth, this was the letter where they gave us a letter then had an happen to get attached to it that they were gonna hire forty five women and if you were interested you had to fill up after David. I remember my mother found out the office David and then taught me to notary to give my mother with like and it took me to no, no, do it. It's just a chance. You don't have to

destruct. And then he has the original postcard that they got my thing whatever. And at this point, to be honest with you, I'm just trying to pease my mother. I'm just like yeah, okay, yeah, okay okay. And then the letter that changed my life is this in June twenty first, uh, nineteen eighty two, we are going to have a training program for the class members, which now I'm a class member because they out my appetation and I'm looking at this ill im a teacher for the summer.

Bear in mind, I'm married to a man from the other side. They came to Italy when he had son Italy when he was turn man, what are you gonna do? Okay, I'm like, no, no, it's okay. I'm just gonna go love. We can look at I was never on. I was never a wait. You know, I was a small woman. But you know, I thought, you can always get shaped, right, you can always be mid shape. It's Wednesdays and Saturdays. I'm also the summer. I'm just gonna go to and I okay, I went

to Motel's. I bought pink sweatcants, pink T shirt and care of sneakers nasty. I mean yeah, I went to kiss Jim and your wolkids. You know, so I sneaks and started going and started training for the test and met a lot of good people. And as the summer started to wind down, Uh, it kind of oh okay, all right, I mean a lot because they have practice in the test and it wasn't it wasn't it

wasn't a revised test. Uh that was uh. I made a court issued uh through justice judge this sif then uh, because uh, look I'm not a lawyer than that, but they were able to I don't know the test. They had the same physical for I don't know how long. And then coins generally the women were allowed to take the written Oh in that whole physical change, you know that? Yeah, now is that strung? And I really because you gotta realized I wasn't paying attention. I mean, I'm it's

just I really wasn't. And so yeah, so the next thing, you know, the summer is winding down, and you know what, I'm here, I'm almost taken. Yeah, I'll take it. And I took it. Yes, then and yeah, it was very funny because the first day was a Wednesday. The teachers had to come to school on a Wednesday. So I come to school on Wednesday knowing I'm taking the physical Thursday. Now, I sent my principal down a woman, and I said it down, I got to talk to you, and I said to her, listen,

tomorrow, I'm taking a physical to become a new city firefighter. The woman pretty much fell up her chair. She thought I was coming into tar was pregnant. Aside my dad. I said, I'm going to take the physical tomorrow. I said, if I passed, I'm probably gonna take the job. If I failed, then I'll back. He'd like, nothing have happened. And I went, I took it. I passed when I can't And they told you on the spot. It wasn't like, you know, you

have to wait to get the car in the mail or whatever. Yeah, so the spot, uh, they knew if you passed and you failed, and I passed, I came home, got to give credit to my family, my mom, my brother, my dear part husband, and they came from me. That flows make I was like, what's gonna be wed? When you went down there? Did you take that touch with Ginger? Okay, he's gonna have to tell you start walking, okay, low, So you did take the revised physical and you passed it. So you lower said

the same thing. I actually have that physical right there. Yeah, everything like the that's uh, I never see no, I'm very efficient. Yeah, because you know what, it's a controversy. It's a huge controversy, and I get it. I don't think. I don't get my only brother to fail the test. But encouraged me to go forward build a floor for a ball in the yard. He took me on my he was you know,

he wanted, and you know what, it wasn't me. It'll be someone else, you know, you know what, that's what said, right, You know what I say, don't hate the player, hate the game. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, they put something in front of you. You did what you're supposed to his work. I'm the lawsuit. Yeah, I'm the lawsuit. It wasn't like she went out there picketing. They said that. The paperwork load said the same. I wouldn't be said,

right. That's so if they right my son right now is twenty three years old. If if he lives on the Loune he don't get the five points residency. If they sent him a letter that says fill this out with sue in the city and you'll get five points or ten points to whatever, I'd be like, fill that shit out. Take that job, man. Absolutely. The thing is you should judge people. Lib Louise say this whole time on the fire floor, because there's plenty of dudes who passed that physical who

are bags of shit. I'm sorry. There's plenty of guys who can't do it, or don't want to do a job, or afraid to do the job. You should definitely you know, judge a person by how they act doing their job right, nothing else. That's it. That's what. I don't care what color you all, what race, what religion, what se to? What doesn't matter. And on top of that, they sent all the girls to you know, really busy place is to shake him out, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, so that was gonna happen

either way as well. Donut they're going to break him out, I say them. I saved a lot of stuff. Yeah. So when guys, you guys get the call, are you going to the proby class right now? Are you in the proby class with other guys? It's just you and a girl? Okay, so yeah we get this, h Yeah, you pass the test. We had to meet and people from the castle. Remember Lieutenant John Frenchees, who went on to be the chief of Personnel at the

time. We had to meet him to be sworn in. Originally it was gonna be sitting well now, I'm not sure how it changed because we were in someone auditorium. I think it was Mary Berkstrom, but I wouldn't put money on it. Okay, but yeah, so we get the call. We had to go to candidate investigation and next see me on my list. I went down. There were like three briefcases, ye know, and the

guys god, you guys like okay, that was kind of funny. And then yeah he went to me. Some one in There were women in the balcony of the auditorium with a huge battom. Don't send the girl to do a man's job. We were told to wear business suits and some kind of tie. So I was a teacher. I had all little blouses and I wore like a red Bullao toy. I sat next to a Rocky Jones I to swear in and yeah, so were sworn in, and then I don't

remember the whole ceremony. It was very exciting, but they paraded a male firefighter and said this is how you look at out seven hundred hours on Monday. I think this was a mabeffer. I understand I'm not exactual, but and there's the guy. He has like a sight pink T shirt, the blue dickies that used to wear black shoes in a black double bag, sure hair and rock you know, I look at the job and I little fair

things going on. You're not going to make us color? Yeah, Mike, Yeah, yeah, give one of those oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's me trying to throw the hair out altot. I was just gonna say that, look, how ridiculous is that? Look right? I was just no, because really I had to come like a man, I mean, and that in that picture was actually a little bit longer at that point.

But I remember being in the bathroom and my mother was there and and my husband was there, and I was just stated, with this little man's here and I have the curl, and I like a piece of you, like this big like and I'm trying to like make a you know, And I catch them in the looking and just laughing, and I'm devastated. I mean, I know it sounds silly and superficial, but it was kind of

yeah. That for me, that was like oh no, yeah. So when you went into provy school, were you in just with the ladies or are you with the other guys? It was a regular class. Yeah. We had two platoon seventy five each, and then twenty squads twenty five each. Wait, man, how were they in provy school? Is it like did you get to feel like this is what it's going to be like when I get to the fire house, Like Proby School was miserrived. They didn't

want staff. Nobody wanted us on this department. Nobody from the top. And then the message was clear, Look, I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I mean, okay, you know the first couple of days, go in the auditorium and you have like the health planned people coming in and the pension people coming in. Now that mehew So comes in. He gets on the stage. He's representing the union and I'm not gonna use that language

because I don't want to give Island green and a dollar. But he gets up on that stage and he goes, we do you know these different women don't belong here but way union, and we got to represent them. And he was allowed to say that. It was allowed to stay that. There was no carniff. We would you would not wanted well, you were not. Uh there was no uh from the top down, any kind off. Yeah, nobody wanted us there and drop out. Uh you know there were

women that dropped out. Uh. There was a guy o god you know, named h There was a guy that his his wife he wound up becoming an Italian aid and to fight go and his uh wife jot Dall I can't remember. We're gonna try and connect your Yeah, we're gonna try and connect your your earbudge again. Yeah, well just came in here. In the meantime, we can briefly throw to a break and we'll put her in the back room there. Would you like to run the Salty Wire out in the

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you the calm. How are we doing now? Touch this up? Good? I think I'm good, I don't know, significantly improved. Let's book, the headphones, stag, the uh plug plug everything in here. Don't touch me. Don't you have no idea? This works? Both my sons. You're marking to have a whole it T team here, all right, have them on stand by just in case any further difficulties present there. Know that the talent that you you trained under him, funny instinct, the instinct

I was drill instruct from day one. Much better. Yeah, okay, so yeah, we're in provy school. We get there, of course, excuse me. They have nothing. They have Oh this hair is terrible. They have nothing. We don't have anything. They have nothing. We don't have boots, we don't have gloves. We have those yellow slickers as you I don't know. You know, they give you these yellow raincoats and you're gonna you know, that's what you're gonna wear for now. It looks like

a fishbowl. Yeah, you're right. And I remember when they issued us to us. One of the women raised t Han and uh, Lieutenant Sacramento, who's kind of like a character. You know, everything looked like an effort that he was doing, you know, and nothing do you remember, yeah, yeah, oh okay. So one woman raised my hand and you know, and these things are filthy, and you know, she goes, excuse me, uh, do they have to be like really yellow by Monday? He goes, duck yellow, duck yellow. Okay. You know.

So we had those slickers, we had those helmets, but in the academy it was very difficult because we had no equipment. You know, we're trying to do knots with gloves that you know, my finger is here, the glove is over here. So yeah, I'm doing the knot. Stuck in the knot. I'm like lots of stuck in the knot. And again, nobody want us to be there. What I know now, which I didn't know back then, was that they picked these squad leaders based on like,

my son was a squad leader because he was in the military. So that's how they picked the squad leaders, you know. And then we'd have to run every morning, and the cadence that we ran to wash up in the morning with renal days run is done. Give me some, Give me some. Did they see that? What you know, like, it was not we were not even a thought. We were not yeah, we're gonna eye and the women. Yeah, but we're not gonna do nothing for them.

And you guys going to any fire is like were you practicing in any fire? It's like, what were you doing? Well? The main issue, which I have come to know h in lady years and stuff, was the smokehouse, because we went into the smokehouse with the real fire. In the smokehouse, they were putting as of ship on this barrel of wood, no mask, And what was really messed up about that was again the equipment.

So we went in five at a time, and the five people that I was paired with, okay, the group that were in front of us, then you took their Well, the way it lines up. I got Smitty's boots, who Smitty was like six foot four. Wait, I don't know how much his foot was a man's size thirteen or fourteen, and he has me wearing his boots. So the evolution was you go in the mouth cause and you know the perth. Yeah, do you know, guys, you can't see anything, there's nothing to say, and we don't even have a

mask. So your nose is literally literally on the floor and this little triangle is where you're trying to get your breath right, So now you're going right. But every time I move forward, my whole foot comes out of the boot. I mean it's just not yeah, one like forward. And I'm trying my best, you know, to keep these boots, keep these boots.

And this one lieutenant he hated us. He freaking hated us. He took the heel of his boot and he kicked me in the back of the head and he said, you got to keep moving, and I did and whatever. Okay, great, the evolution was over. If you remember, we had chin straps and those helmets, there was four dots. I had four blood dots. I had a black and blue chin. I didn't say a word. Okay, great, time goes on. Now we're gonna do

the evolution. We're gonna do the what is it, the hose line up the fire escape, you know, okay, whatever, the hose line up the fire escape. Okay, great. We have the old style Scott's with like the plate on the back where you got to kind of jiggle it around. Whatever. So I'm trying to get my mask with Joseph and he comes behind me and he pushes the base of my mask boom and the seine the

bangs me in the head. I turned around and goes, no, Scott, like keep your hands off me. Well forget about this by go to SACA mano oh and Lang Lang Was he a lieutenant or he must have been a captain at the time. It was lying very clean, caught me in very stoic face. But anyway, they sent me up and I'm like, listen, guys, I was a teacher before this. I know what this is. He's the teacher, you're the principal, you're the assistant principal.

You got to take your side. I totally get that, but I'm not gonna let him put his hands on me. That's not going to happen. And then they were just kind of like they're looking at each other like okay, what do we do situation right? It was just nothing after that, you know, thank goodness. You know, but the smoke house people went to the hospital. They had people running around the smokehouse and then running in and literally people went to the hospital. Purpose for you, guys, is

that what you're thinking. I think they tried the best they could to get rid of us. They filled a that up. We were doing the car for a thing with the or a triple F at the time. They filled that up of a trib phone and made us jump in mmhm. And the reason was they were trying to get rid of us. They would do whatever they could to get rid of us. I mean they really were. I mean, you know, I just uh, I look back and I don't know, you know, and you know I talk about things I still have.

I still have my Proby notebook, your Proby notebook. This is my prob notebook. Did you give that to your son when nothing should changed? No? No, they'll go around saying picks an ass either guarantee you that tn O god yea. So just you I can say anything. I'll get to say so just when you can't do any words. Then then then they assign you to the company and then you have to you gotta start all over

again. Before we get that. I gotta say this. She said, you said anything to me, right, You said that you can say whatever you want. You should have went up to the to the guy, the squad leader. I said, you're going to lead the chair at the end, you should have said cocking ball, cocking ball, okay. Squad leader was a woman. Oh, I don't want it to because Okay, that's how I started to move on already, come on the show. I just said, we don't want to be a proto school. An hour and a

half in the thing. Half. But I let's get to your first assignment. How did you get? Don't listening here? I got the LEPs tomorrow at three o'clock, dinner Bird specials. I gotta get that. You go to business place Hillside Avenue, the Hillside It was originally a Hillside Helton, but they were like seriously, so they changed it to the Hillside Hurricane. Hmm uh okay. So you go there, you know, you bring the

cake, You put the cake on the kitchen table, you know. Then the guys, you know, shuffle me up to meet the captain, the captain. Should I say his name? Yeah, he's the captain, Yeah, captain think uh. He was the typical officer and the gentleman guy. He was the father of four daughters, a military man, straight as an arrow. The guys bring me up to the office to meet him. Guys, hees a cap is probi and the guy's like, come on, guys,

and he had he was like he really toemale. I don't know what they did to the guys in the fire house, I really don't know, like who shoot hello, Oh thank goodness. I really don't know what they did in the field. How could I know that. I would have no idea, you know. Yeah, I went there, and uh, I know. Before I got there, he was all about like getting rid of the girly magazines and the all the stuff in the fight or whatever. So

yeah, like they're not gonna hate me enough, you know. But when I got to the fireous, like, I didn't know that they were gonna hit me. I don't know. I didn't know that, you know. And you know, Rock and I were always very close, and I didn't want to tell those stories. I only want to tell my story because it's hard thing to tell her story whatever. But we would be like, I don't know why they hate us so much, you know Tony Golfi, Yeah, I did work with Tony Golfi. Yeah, his son is on the

grandfriend is on the Yankees. Wow, it's the Yankees. Any yeah, yeah yeah, So you know, look, the truth of the matter is, there was no preparation for us. There was nothing. They just threw us in there after the men too. Now you've got to realize culturally, back in those days, women didn't really work. The girls I went to high school with they got engaged, and seniors in high school they went to work. The secretaries for a year, got married, had babies, stayed

home and that's a perfect I would come in on that. That was me. I'm good to go for that, you know. So there was only one guy in the truck that had a wife that worked, but other than that, none of them have worked. Had words that worked also too. A lot of them were military men, a lot of them marked in total men jobs. You know, construction. What happened? What women do they know? Do they know? What women do they know? The wise,

the girlfriend, their sisters, to work with a woman. You know, today it's commonplace for men I want to work, but back then it was not like that law. It just wasn't. Yeah. So you walk into the firehouse, right, yeah, what's your first your first toilfuse? Okay, I'm in the captain's group. Captain think, yeah, I'm going to be in his group and I'm with the first day of the firehouse, the chauff he wasn't the chauffeur in my group's, but Louis Ricos is making cream

pups and he's all upset, so't tell anybody. I was in the fires making cream pubs and I'm like, you know, it was just it was odd, like the look. First of all, I went to an all girls high school. I was not familiar with, like, uh, locker room culture where you you know, I wore my clothes to work every day. My locker room was the trunk of my Toyota Corolla. Uh. Yeah, I had a locker, but it was in the middle of the men's locker room. Uh. They painted a pink which I thought was very cute.

But I'm not going to go up there where I think, oh my goodness, they could be running ram naked or something. You know, I just never went upstairs. I did not go upstairs, Captain Sky Okay, Yeah, so that's funny. And you know, you guys know how it is. You know, you're sign your bunk based on your group numba. It's not like U you're making a living room arrangement or whatever the heck you're

doing. So because of the group I was in my uh and it was a double house with Chief reqoys and it was a five min engine, So there's a lot of people in the bunk room. So my bunk because I was in group twenty five. Just by chance, they didn't put it there because I was there. It was just my bunk. It was in the middle of the bunk room. The wisdom of the nas and five woman to get them screens. It was like a trifle screens. I can ask you,

like, we're not gonna put this tryfold screen. Sure, I put up the this like I need about six of each, and I'm gonna have privacy. But you know, I mean I never, I never, you know, I went to work in my clothes, I came home my clothes. I slapped in my clothes, you know. Oh, and the captain did proclamate no more sleeping in the nude. It didn't make that proclamation. But I was always the first one out of that bunk room because I didn't want to see nothing. Even went on a truck runs. No I'm not

even cooked. But I'm just saying, like, you know, I was out there. The chief be like, you know, yeah, I just ug Yeah, I was the first one out of that bunk room. How long did it take you to catch your first job? Uh? Well, you know that whole white cloud syndrome, you know, because of course, I guess they were paying more attention to jobs because they wanted to, you know, gust the girl out. Uh. It was first job was small, It was like two weeks in. Maybe it was a It was interesting

about it. It was just the dry fire and h type. And what was interesting about it was that it was the first time I realized, wait a minute, we're all going in. But they were going that way. I'm going this right, you know. So that was an interesting thing. And then after that, oh we had it was like a basein fire and like a warehouse. I want to say Jamaica Avenue down south. The good job's always down south. I'm gonna say Jamaica Avenue, but I'm non sent

sure. But it was. It was a big fire way down and in two ninety eight the probe we had a nozzle because the captain wanted to keep an eye on you. So we go downstairs and you know, okay, blah blah blah. But what happened was that there were barrels of soaps, some kind of soaps, so wherever the heck it was, and between the heat and the water whatever, So my legs got burned not not burn, burn like a burning in the barn, but burn like caught the burn right.

So I come home and I'm like, now what am I going to do? Because I couldn't wear pants because my legs, you know, So that was I just sucked it up. I put some cream on or whatever I did, I don't even remember. Oh, and then we had the fire. Dear friend Lorraine Seeker. What a wonderful woman she was. She worked in three or three and then was later assigned to two seventy five,

so it was an appontment fire and people. We had two ten forty fives and I think they were first do though I think they were first doing. So now we have ten forty fives. Well, they want to make sure the girls know how to back up a body, so you know, we had to do that. And then when they came back to the firehouse, I don't remember if it was that tour or the next tour, whatever tour it was, they realized there was a foot missing. So Lorraine had to

go back and look for the foot. Find it's you know what, it's funny talent and retrospective, but it wasn't funny then. And Lorraine had a hard gold and she's a good person. And yeah, so they were watching. I'm sure they were right. They were always watching you, you know, almost looking for you to fail, like always had. You were like a constantly under a microscope, constantly. I mean I never told anybody what I did for a little never, because I didn't want to talk about it.

There was work, He went to work, then you came home. Nobody knew what I did. Did you have any full of guys or any guys that were exceptionally nice to you? Who who kind of took you in? It was really, to be honest. There was the senior man, so like the Tommy mttoos. He was the showf I worked it all the time. He's nickname was Stark Club and he was a senior man in the engine, you know, and he kind of went in the kitchen instead.

So cute how they cold you the girl? Look, we got the girl, so you know, we might as well show where everything was, you know, And he did, you know, he made sure that I knew where every freaking fitting, reducing increase, whatever the it was. You may charge to that. And I will also say that the truck guys, the truck guys were very very very good to me. They were very good, a lot of them, you know, they're older. They were there passing. They're speaking, was Jerry, and how to go arrest the soul?

I'll be cast, go rest the soul. Norman Marston got rest the soul. They were good to me in terms of a peacher attic, what a gentleman, what a gentleman. They were good to me in terms of you couldn't talk to me in front of anybody like that was a nobod. Don't talk to me in front of anybody. So every year we had this PLAQ well we shouldn't say every yet they had a plaque party and I came in on the second year, the black part. I still go to the Black

And they gave out awards, all kinds of awards. We had the Access Award for the worst meal. We had the Crash Madness and watch crashed three oh in that famous square rood or what I'm sure you guys that guy. And then when that came they added a new ward, the c. Sniffer Award. Yeah no, this is real stuff. And this is all the award that hung up in the TV room. Yeah, this is what went on. This is what we want. What the criteria for the Snipping Award

was. You couldn't get speaking to me. You couldn't get speaking No, I'm not in kidding. No, okay, so this isn't funny. So now you have to watch right. I know you want an act the sell of honey. I'll bring these stories. I don't know, but anyway, so if you if you were caught talking to me like that would be the criteria and you'll get that award. So what we're having is, I mean, this took a long time for anybody told me nobody would make a mutual

I mean mtels for years, for years straight, no straight tours. Yeah yeah, yeah, there was no mutuals. Nobody would make mutual on me. I never want time. Yeah, it took a long time. Oh yeah, but don't forget when I was a proby the best thing that happened to me as I became pregnant with my daughter. Oh, Yazi, February. This is funny. So it's February nineteen eighty three, it would be

right, yeah, Gobard, nineteen eighty three. We have this huge snowstorm, huge snowstorm, and I'm in val It's only six miles to the finance. Right. So I'm in Dallas Stream and my husband, you know who goes up. He had a little time and said, you know, we can go to work. How are you going to get it there. I'm going to drive you. Okay, okay, we get in the car. We make it to the valley stream order. It was just like five bars. And you know, we never left our gear in work because we were

always afraid that, you know, it would be crampromised. So yeah, as I said, my shrunk of my Toyota Corolla was my marker, and so I had only stuff with me. And I'm like, well, I I oh, and I get caught the fireance. But of course nobody could work for me, so I had to go in and I told the lieutenant at the time, Lieutenant Murphy. He was a very very nice man, but he had no choice in the matter. He said, we'll get here

when you can, you know. And uh. So I got out to a Corolla and I started walking and I'm walking and let down my grop walking walking and some police cough was up and they see me, like, I don't remember if I was wearing my bunk of colt. You're always wearing the boots. I don't maybe I was wearing the bunker you know, we didn't have the whole bunker gear thing, and then we had like it was like a raincoat and pull up boots whatever. And I'm going down Madgrol and he

goes, where are you going? I oh, I'm on the job. I'm like, I'm trying nick into its upwey eight. It was about three miles from the firehouse. That was grateful. They let me get in the backseat and they drove me to the front frint of the firehouse. And as soon as I got there, probably get down here and shovel the snow. Okay, I wanted to say. I talked to like a bunch of guys from two ninety eight, and uh, you know, obviously when I first thought about having you on the show, I was like, you know,

what was she like? Was she good at fires and everything? And everybody said the same thing. How long did it take before you felt like the guys trusted you at a job like legitly, at a job like did you feel you could do the job? At what point did you feel like I got this? You know, I could do this? You know what needs to be done? Here when when I'm called upon it, I think that I always had, always not just me fire from it. Always had an

enormous sense of mental fortitude, you know, I've always had that. And even Captain Fink, who would never give me any kind of accolade or anything like that because he didn't know what they was to do. Man, and it wasn't as fool but hey sentiment he goes, you're gonna be okay, he goes, you're not the strongest, you're not the best. He was a bigger smart because then you'll never get yourself or how there's in a situation that you can't get it. So even though even though what happened was when

I had my daughter, she was my saving grace. She really was, because once you have a child and now you're going to come back to the Fians, I realized the fiance is not, you know, it's not anything as important as my daughter was. And she really truly was a salvation in terms of dealing with the Fians. When I came back into my daughter, there was a little more respect in terms of all these step aren't really talking to me to dad, but I don't really. At one point where we

had to go to the rock. I could get what of ally, we're going to measure our body fat? And I think that and I just had a baby, you know, yeah, if you had a baby, I did have to go on my duty. After get a few weeks, I

did have to go back for retraining. Whatever the he coulu was. So I'm thinking by the time my daughter was born in October of nineteen eighty three, So by the time I got back to the fire house, I'm saying, maybe it's January or so, and we go They mentioned me neck, I don't know whatever he will measure and my body, according to them,

was like fifteen percent. Guys, we're like what you know, because they they had no experience other than the women in their lives about like, wow, a woman could have a baby and then actually go do something else, you know. And even with me having a baby and then coming back, they didn't know what to do with me. They had no clue what to do with me. When I came back and they had my daughter in the oh, that was another whole start. Come back, you have to have

my daughter. What are you going to do now? Come back? They ran out of their own They didn't know what to do with me. They had no idea what to do me. Now, I don't know if I was the first woman to have a baby and come back. I don't know that for sure, but it was pretty early on. But they had no clue what to do with me, no clue whatsoever. And I think that after I came back, I think I got a little respect and a little

more respect from the guys. You know. Then we had some more couple more jobs, and you know, and then you know, I left my second my first son, and then I left I had my second son. I never imagined, no serious or not back in the day, those guys that I don't know how they got away with never taking a medical right, that was funny too, allegedly, Yeah, that was funny too, right. Oh yeah, but how did your husband feel about your working in the

firehouse with all the guys. It was difficult for him, you know, it was difficult, especially when I come home with bruises and like in an academy, when I came home with like literally four dots of blood and black and blue chain, it was difficult for him. I mean, imagine, if it's not even just your wife, your the water, your brother, it doesn't have to be because I was a woman and his wife somebody you left. You know, it was difficult, very difficult, very very difficult.

When when did you start? Uh you said you started? When did you start studying? Like? Did you do that? The fire marshal thing? You said that a little bit later on? How long after that? Well, the firemancial thing? Okay, So when I became pregnant my daughter again, they didn't know what to do with me. Did for me online duty. I was fortunate enough that the chief fire martial that's time was my aunt's brother in law, and he said, oh, send her over here.

You know she's small, we'll teach of the computer. She could do the computer thing. So I was very fortunate in that regard that I went to a firemancial's office and I ran a computer room for them and made it a lot of goo friends with the guys. As a matter of fact, they thow me a baby shower. How twenty is that right? And that's when that came. Yeah, and that I enjoy that. It sounded tough.

St banging, it's like driving me crazy. What's now change? Yeah, I think we're gonna have to try and uh, maybe I'll send in the sending the IT guys again in the IP guys, let me get the get the problem. We'll put her in the back room while we solve that problem. And if anything, we can just briefly for those of you that may not have seen it earlier, will show it to you again. I'm

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and you will see are esteemed. Yeah, she's telling great stories. Unfortunately, it's just the audio is mark. Yesterday, we got the new shirt coming now for the show, right, Yeah, a brand new shirt, not the two other shirts that we had. Operating a pile driver. I was going on, let's do the health and safety tip for them. Yeah, I was gonna ask you if you wanted to do that. So let's do that and we will roll that whole right. I'm feeling better, yeah,

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tell people, it's all the timon they ask me to lose weight. The first step in the losing weight is to give something up that you take in excess. Like I ask people all the time, tell me about their diet, and sometimes it could be soda, regular soda. They're addicted to drinking regual soda. And I'll tell them just to cut the soda out. That's all you gotta do. Cut the soda out for two months and see what happens. And nine pounds out of ten they lose four or five, six,

seven pounds. So if there's something that you eat, I'm not telling you to leave a spartan lifestyle, but company cut something out that you know is terrible and your dog, you eat an excess and the weight will fall off you, and send them of the pounds my way. Please. If you can't, I'll take up pounds. No, I mean all in muscle, of course, ethan. Before we get back to Captain moy hand. That's why I drink beer, so it does bad for you, he says.

Nice, clever, clever. All right, let's get back to Captain Money and welcome back. Thank you? Ready to go? All right, all right, we are, we are right? Oh no, what the fire mortal? We will past? Wait. Can I just tell you almost sorry about of course? Okay, son, right hold on a minute. MIC is not working or whatever it is. You gotta connect. You gotta connect your bluetooth. If it's not connected, already connected, that problem.

It should be connected. But we'll get getting a lot of crackling. No, get that was from like the beginning of the show. It was tough to get it to connect to that thing. The ranges rookie one one, all right, So yep, stopping is holding up with this range of hockey. It's a lot of pressure, you know, pressure. Yeah, it's uh. The playoffs are tough many this year. I have a good feeling up on the Pacers. You just have a better chance to win the cup

than the next Well, the next are two bangs up. Unfortunately, Uh, there missing a lot of guys such period hockey, talking about hockey, stop it. The Knicks are demonstrating a crap ton of heart despite their injuries. But we'll check back. We'll get a couple of games, and then right while we're in Harrisburg, we should Yeah, usually happens again if they sweep. Maybe if they went tonight. I don't want to get a split. I don't like to say it. No, no, just get a

split. Try to win one of the two. We got to crawl before we can walk. And speaking of walking, let's walk back to Captain boy. All right, let's do it. Okay, then work maybe maybe we're just gonna go off your iPhone maybe you're on you're on your laptop. Yes, let's yeah, it's not. We'll switch to the iPhone. I can email you another link that where you can just access it, and I'll do that momentarily one mm hmm and being the look after that? What is going

on over there? I apologize, ladies. I don't know what the TikTok is. I feel like they're in like a spooky movies someone the same thing. Can you imagine if you listen to that like in a cell somewhere, just like NonStop for like days. I feel like the evil character is going to walk down the hallway and get me any moment now, Captain, I just if you can hear me. I just emailed the link to you, so access it from your phone. Let's hope that we sometimes most of the

yeah, sometimes that's the case. Unfortunately, technology giveth and technology taketh away, and tonight is taking away. But push through. We don't really ever have that issue. No, it happens. It happens. So what's going on? What's going on with you guys? Go? I regret I asked, did you did you fill out your FDN Y application? No? I haven't yet. I think you got it. I was talking to Amanda Farran, not you. I think you got to go in person, which I

wouldn't mind doing. But new Haven just opened up where I live. New Haven just opened up to residents and non residents. You don't even you don't even need a MT. You just got to register sixty bucks to apply. So the deadline is a twenty six I'm thinking, let me just apply everywhere and see what happens. Now you're thinking, that's what. Everything against the wall and back on her iPhone. Let's see. I don't know is she on her iPhone or is she's still I believe she's still on the No,

she's still on the uh laptop. So captain, if you can hear us, please sign off on your laptop and that same link I just emailed you a link. Click that link from your phone and sign it with your phone. Mike. When we will load this up, we can cut all this out so it's kind of seamless. Uh yeah, we can. We can miss our banter a blathering. Yeah, it's who's we'll have to cut out

the first half hour. Unfortunately, No, we're talking about like right now, when she's not on we could cut that's fine she is, Yes, perfect, turn your phone. Yeah, that's perfect. Just turn the phone sideways that way. We don't see those black boxes like this way. Have the phone pointed this way? Yeah, there you go. Is that good? Yeah? Man, we'll hear us. I can hear you. Oh you sound I mention this what what happened? The comments? You know who

wouldn't have trouble connecting Ginger? Oh ginger, whole lot of minutes. Oh I'm getting off this island. All right, back to our conversation. Okay, So it's New Year's Day in nineteen eighty four. Every day I worked, the captain had a drill every single day. Well, we all know we drew at two o'clock, right, guys. Yeah, okay, anyway, New Year's Day in nineteen eighty four. Well, now we're gonna teach

the girl how to use the bucket. Okay, great, The guys are thrilled about this operation, right, So we get the bucket set up outside of the firehouse. Yeah, y yeah, you know it's a joystick, and the caps are like astonished. I don't know if he thought what I was like, I don't know, mentally incapacity, but it's a boomstick, like, how want is this to do this? To position the towel at

Okay, yeah, I mean the bucket okay, great. So now we've finished that, and of course the guys are like, oh, you know, they are really perturbed by this whole evolution, and they decided to lock me in the kitchen and I'm going to make the breakfast. I'm like, okay, so I'm making the breakfast now, I don't know. I'm frying three slices of bacon at a time, you know, three slices okay, three slices, how many eggs? You know whatever? And it's taken,

I guess a long time. And this guy, great guy peecheran It from the truck, comes in. He goes, what are you doing? They're getting so upset out what are you doing? I go, I'm making the bacon like I'm baking. It's just like you make the bakon in the train, you know. And then he helped me make the whole breakfast, and then he went out and he called Chow. Now to this day, if I see him, I got to ask like, did he did they know that he was helping me? Or did he just do it? You know?

What I He was just such a nice guy. I know you were. He was helping you. You know what he would have got. Oh, nobody wanted that got that award. Nobody wanted that award. Yeah, I pushed forward to Athrian five marshals, you get promoted to lieutenant. Now. I asked you this in the pre show September of ninety sixth if you were the first female to get promoted to officer. But you said no. No, I was the third. Rocket was first lieutenant, and then Brenda

was second, and I was starting. Did you guys all study together? No? I had my own private study groups. Uh, Mike Smithwick, Freddie Hughes, I had. Yeah, I had my own study groups. Actually yesterday this last day smith Wick. Oh. Yeah. As a matter of fact, for funny like Rocky and I, we did have a couple of women's study groups. Rock and I used to go to fire Tech together and in the early days, nobody would sit at the table with us.

What do you mean, yeah, I don't know, everything's perfect. Yeah. Yeah, So in the early days, Rock and I would go to fire Tech and guys would stand against the wall instead of sitting with us. Would you like to think yeah, nobody. I mean, when you think about that career, how how long it has to be right, It's such a long career when constantly I mean, it's just I get it. I understand some of it. But after a while you would think like it would

you know, you still have to depend on people. But maybe, I don't know, It's just it's just a long career man. Doing that. Yeah, did you ever regret it? Doing it? Never? Never. It gave me time with my family. It gave me you know, my husband became very, very sick and he had to have a double lung transplant and I had to The counseling unit was terrific to me. I had as much time off as I needed. And I really don't know any other job that would do that for you. You know, for me, the number

one thing is family. And so the fact that I was able to be with my family as much as I was and still have a career, I mean, to me, that was golden. So now you spent the first part of your career fighting to be recognized as a firefighter. Now you get promoted to lieutenant. Now you have to lead these guys. You're facing a whole another new challenge of guys like thatw what is she to show me? I got one of those. So it's almost like starting over right in the

new rank. Yeah, it was. It was. I was covering in the four two Battalion Engine three thirty letter one seventy two to forty three one forty eight, uh at the Castle to eighty four and uh one. I will say the guys were pretty good. I will uh, yeah, the

guys were pretty good. As a lieutenant, it wasn't it wasn't as uh, you know, I didn't find it that the difficult part of being a lieutenant was that they weren't expecting you to come in right, a woman coming in right, and you know, like a lot of the older fire houses in particular set up that you have to walk through the bunk room to get to the office right now. They're not expecting a woman to be walking through the locker room, you know what I mean. Like, it was like

it was weird. They're not expecting you and you show up, So that was kind of a weird thing. Uh. It was also weirder to be in. Uh some of the officers bunk rooms was set up that it was just one room and you and the officer. Yeah, that was weird, like sleeping in just one on one yeah, you know, that was a little Yeah, that was not one of my favorite things. But when you when I became an officer and then you you had your own bunk room and you had your own TV and I could watch Oprah, you know, I

room, oh, my own bassroom. That was like gold gold. I will say that gold. It's more gold for her, but it was gold for me too, I tell you, Oh, I loved it. I just love that part of that aspect of it. And like if you wanted to be with the kit in the kitchen, listen to whatever you could, and if you didn't, you go up the stairs and do whatever the heck

you wanted to do. You know, how was it early on, like you know, just going to jobs and making decisions and you know, food on the store whatever it was, even jobs like finding fire and you know, well, I'll tell you what the best experience is regarding that. I mean, yeah, I went to jobs and stuff like that is the covering offices, don't get me wrong, But oftentimes I did find myself like you're

with the truck. So you know, most of the times, like and a lot of the times, I will say that it was the truck captain, like I'm trying to think about that. I never really thought about that. Yeah, we had jobs and stuff like that. But when I was in three twenty one, you know, it's not the busiest house in the world. But what people don't realize about that house is like you're alone.

A lot of the times you go to jobs that like the house. Yeah right, you're single house, and so, like she said, bay houses and noultern houses, you go in it. I am by myself, and I remember times like just being like in a basement and looking in the corner going oh this is oh we gotta get a line down here, bah blah blah blah blah. And you stand there. You are literally by yourself, and that was a great learning experience because you were you were it, you

were it. You just gotta go and you got to figure out what you got to do. So that was actually, even though it wasn't a real super busy house, I learned a lot in the house I really did about like just being you're it. Were there any more women promoted by that time, by the time you became you know, I met with any more women on the job when you got promoted. I think the timeline was pretty sparse, and the fact that we got on the dog and I think it took

look, I don't know, I could look it up. I don't have a listen to that, but got him. It took a long time for the next woman to get hired and then the next woman to get hired. When I was a lieutenant. Oh, and that's why I didn't want to go to three twenty one because Rocket was the one five nine, and you know, I didn't want to step on her shoes or whatever. The chief of the three three at the time, Chief Whaling, he was just wanted me to come there and wanted me to come there, and I didn't want

to go there. And then what happened was I was still covering and I came down. I came down asthma, right, So they wanted to put me out back then you could get three quarters to asthma. I didn't want to go out. And doctor Presant was like, he was the guy that cured asthma, and so he said to me, look, if you want to stay, and you want to you want to take like duty and mark in the medical office I'll work closely with you. We'll try this Inhaleo that

in Hala I could get you cured. I'm like, all right. So I became in charge of the pistlocker at the Ural Services. Yeah that was me. Wait something great man had some good job. That's a good job. Uh ship Yeah, got you stayed on the job and you were in through twenty when you studyed for captain at the time, sure, yeah, yeah, I was always studying. You know, how are the guys did you Did you feel like guys talk to you more at this point twenty one?

Well, just in general when you became an officer, was it more like forehead? I could see it, you know, when the guys wouldn't talk to you so much. But you first didn't know what to do with you, you know, but once they got used to you. Uh. And the guys in three twenty one, again it was a skeleton crew. A lot of guys were on medical le but what have you. And then we had that rotation program, so the guys would come for a year and

lee eve. But the regular guys that I worked with there every single day, well like it was like our family. It was, you know, I don't know if you guys have ever been in single engines, but at this point, it's four people like for lunch would go to the bagel store, you know, and get every big get what they want to get. Denna, somebody would bring in Dinna. It wasn't like uh, like two ninety eight with it's like fourteen people, you know, and all the personalities

and all this and all that. You know, it was a very different. Aculutely in a single house, you get one guy in the watch. Maybe you got one or two guys studying the offices up in the office, walking around like yeah, yeah, yeah, Michael, pull up some of the pictures. Go ahead and we get some. We could go back to it. We we do want to go over her Marshal's years. I showed the one with Commissioner rivera earlier. Here's a headshot of her time as a

fire Marshall. Yeah, Jack, and she's got on bro all right, and a gun for that matter. I do not no, I did not. Well you carrying back then? Uh? You bought them used from another fire Marshal. I had a two inch Smith and Wesson, and I had a four inch Smith and Wesson revolves and believe we have here to be. I don't even from the earlier picture Camp Smith. Yeah, that was that was uh in Peaksgo. We had to go there for a week to train

on our weapons. We had to fire fifteen hundred rounds and we were supposed to stay over. And then like you know, I was on the first floor, the guys on the second floor, and there's no TV. There's no nothing, you know. And the guys said, come upstairs. Okay, I come stairs, the roll in the underwear, clean their weapons. I'm like, oh, I don't know about this. Oh I think I'll commute, you know. And all commuted because there always in their drawers,

they were in their doors. They yeah. Oh that was one of the biggest things about going to Brooklyn Base. Unless you're on the fire department, you could not understand this. The phone man, I forget his name, It began with an H. But he didn't like to wear pants. He liked to walk around his underwear at Brooklyn Base, and he was upset that now I gotta wear pants because we have a girl coming here. Like, you can't make this stuff up. It's real stuff. Yeah, this is

a job in Lower Manhattan. Uh. With my point. I think his last name was Wilson. He was a very nice man, very nice gentleman. But he was the lead investigator on the case. As you can see, he's carrying the pad. You see my little head popping in. I guess that was in the newspaper or something. Did you like doing that? Well, you got to realize too, I was online duty from day, you know, early on in the years. So I got to know a lot of the guys doing the computer room, and they knew that they could

depend on me to look stuff up for them. So I did the fine marshals for me. It was just a step in the right direction. You know. It was good. The people I worked with were really good, and I didn't really have too much trust. Every once in a while you'd run into a guy here were there. But my main part is Randy Wilson. I'll forget it. What a pain in the ass. He's a male chauvinist. But guess who we always wanted to work with. This girl,

you know, and then my other Charlie Wagner. Great guy, great guy, Oh my god. He had so many really great times. See I still see them, we meet for lunch. They think I'm gonna pay one day, but that's not happening. We have Bobby Steiner here too. Oh Bobby Steiner. Yeah, yeah, So that would be uh Tommy Mattheuse would be driving and it would be uh Bobby. Oh, Bobby would be on the I'd have the nose back up, and then we'd be working with climcheck

and oh we had good times. Nine eight Good times to nine eight was uh, that's my heart too. Nine eight. I mean everybody, you know the John Clancy thing in two ninety eight, I mean that's where my heart is in two ninety eight. You know. Look, three twenty one was great. Don't get me wrong. I had a good time there. The guys were great. But I grew up in two ninety eight, like we all grew up together. I still see them. I still go to the plau parties. I'm still in the text feed. I'm still you know,

yeah cool. Do they have any females there now? They actually had two females after me, Lizzie something. If I could get the whale ship back in here. Later he knows he's not only whale ship the same person. Well, for you guys out there in the jet, she calls her some whale ship. Is he still a proby? No, he's been in he's he just called whale ship people. No more than that. He's got

seven years on the job now, I think in twenty eighteen. Yeah, he went from mt to two forty seven and now he's in one o three. He's scaredy did you say one three? I did say one round? Well, really scared, you know? Yeah? Look at that we see Do you see my helmet? That's the original leather helmet, It says Proby thawing man. That's right, that's what they have man. And we have the same badge number. We took your badge number. He took my badge

number. He couldn't get my lieutenant's badge number on my captain's badge number because that was his younger year. A young whit, yeah, a little young whale. Shit. They are my pull up boots, my helmet. He was the one who originally sent me, uh a message. You'd be interested you know him before? No? No, I mean I've probably seen him over there. Yeah. Sure, but a guy like you thirty years, he's just him. How old is your one three? I want to say

two years, maybe three years? He made the move. Good for him. Well, they're not really I was going to say before. They're not really like hurricanes anymore. It's kind of like a little uh like tropic storm now over there. Yeah, it's a little thunderstorm over I think they call them a tropical depressions now than are the hurricanes anymore. They're still they're running

their ass off over there. Now engine is running. But that's that's such a an occupied area right there, and there's every type of building there. They have all the tax payers there, they have h is there, they have do they have projects there? Marian I think you guys go into projects there, right, You talking about or else three or two ninety eight ninety eight? Yeah, yeah, we had two ninety was a great area because you got we really what you just said. Look, I thought you were

talking about one O three. I don't know the area very well, but to an idea, you had everything over there, everything, every single thing you could possibly imagine we had over there. Hmm. Interesting. All right, So let's let's move on a little bit too. Captain. You're studying and promoted Chaptain in two thousand and three, is it it was April two? Yeah? Yeah, that was uh yeah, So I'm what happened was, uh, let me see if I get my time right, Okay,

So I'm on like, that's what happened. I'm on light duty with the asthma thing, and they want me to write help write the Lieutenant test. I had one before and it was terrible. It was just a terrible Uh. That was the one that helped by Then all right, the the test, the first test that I helped write. They had ten of us and everybody was on their own timeline. You know, write two questions and you could leave or you know, and people were putting like Seinfeld references in the

questions. And when you're writing a test, you're just submitting a question to dcast department of what is the city Department of Administrative Services or something like that did not fight upon people they were in the city, and so questions got I think, I don't know, we'd have to look this up, but it's probably one of the most protested. You know, I think in that test, ten of my questions made it, and none of them are protests.

So then when they recruit recruited, they recruited me and two yeah, two thousand and one to help write the test. That was supposed to be of an in October two thousand and one, and it was me, you guys gotta know yack of course, yeah, everybody knows jacks no yack com ovid Oh chief, yeah, oh chief, Yeah, that's what you're talking about. Yack. This is and uh, what else is it? Rudy Wyland, you know him and Chris Jinocchio, Chris God he wrote he was

I didn't know that he worked in the squad with us. He was Louis twenty four though, such a nice guy. I'd be like, yeah, Chris, what do you want to do this twenty four? He's like, I don't know, what do you want to do? I don't know. I don't know. I said, I'm gonna do it the first Okay, okay, okay, Louie, alright. Nice. It was a nice guy. He was too the job. I think he was try but I think he disappeared. I mean, I don't Yeah, he doesn't. I've spoken

to Rudy. I don't know what happened. Yeah, I don't know what happened to him either. He doesn't come to anything after that. I really don't know it. Yeah, I have no idea, but real nice guy. So we get in the room, the four of us, and I told the guys, I said, listen, I did this before and it was terrible. It was a cluster. You know what I said. I

don't want to do this again. I said, if you guys want to work with me, I've done this before, and if we all want to work together, if we write a question, it has three of us have to give it dumb thought, and if three of us can't agree that it's a good question, we shouldn't put the question in. And that a pretty good test. M Yeah, why did you think they asked you to put the test together? Originally? You know what I think? Diversity definitely,

you know the first point it was definitely did the rank? Yeah, it was your education back then? Maybe possibly, Yeah, you know how to be of the rank. So so anyway, I was, uh, I was in the fight upont and you know, managing that pist locker. I was doing a great job. I don't think it was nobody's business, Like, what is this girl here? He's cleaning the piss locker. Anyway, so I'm in I'm in there and they want me to write your past.

But you have to be full duty to write the test. So doctor Kelly, Uh, I go into doctor Kelly, she goes and of course, now we know doctor Kelly is the whole time we're on the job, you know, and wonderful, wonderful, wonderful person. And she's like, look, I'm gonna put your full duty, but only to write this test. You understand that, right, And of course yeah, I wouldn't go you know, back on you know, my word on that or whatever. Yeah, so she put me full duty just so I could write the test.

And then so that was going to say spring of two thousand and one, and then unfortunately the test was supposed to be given Otoba of two thousand and one. The test was already done in the in the bank by August of two thousand and one, and then nine to eleven happened, and then we would just suspended. We were just suspended a minute. They didn't know what theck to do with us, you know, and we did a lot of stuff that was you know, yeah, you ended up going to flips too,

right at that point then because we were talking about clips. Because they didn't want us to go on the field, you know, we had to wait until the test was given, and I don't remember exactly when test was given. So we were flying things like the Notifications Unit nine eleven Notifications Unit. I was right after nine eleven happened. Boom, you go back to the firehouse and I was signed to work the three, the three three battalion whatever and then oh no, we can't let these people go on the field.

And then they scootered us up, and you know, I was actually I actually slept in Chief Gancy's office the day after nine to eleven. That night, I was there with Masuchi Stevie clean out the Chief's office and then we were I don't think we were founders of it, but we were on the ground level of the Family Assistance Unit. They even called in von Essen. I worked right under Vaughan Essen for this unit that they called in. I wish I knew the name of it. But these people came in.

It was like it was like a database kind of unit, because you know, after nine eleven, you know, people didn't know whose family was who, and you know, not to speak out of school, but you know, it wasn't that straight forward. You know, who's entitled to wide or things like that. So I was assigned to those people. Uh and then you know, finally we were allowed whenever the test was given. I don't remember when I was given, but as soon as the test was given,

uh, we were allowed to go back to the field. And I guess in that time frame, I became promoted to captain. And then they recruited me for Flips because the guy in Flips who was a fire marshal and a captain, which is what the carteria they needed, was retired, so they wanted me to go to Flips. I was trying to remember because I was

in Flips in Junivo two and you had to be there. Right. We said that you did the fire marshal part of that, right, you said, well, we switched around everything that we did, but I was the only one that could the fire marshal segment. I also did the educational methodology guys would segment and the one that public speaking segments. Do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, you had that you get the can right, and you picked the monopoly piece out of it and you had to talk about it

for two minutes or whatever the heck it was. That was funny though, right to see these guys and then they had to speak, But first it was two minutes. Then it was five minutes and they were going to have like a battle movement on the floor. I remember I had to uh, I had to uh. We had to give a drill on anything, right, not fire, not firefighting wise, but we had to give a drill and I did. My wife was a hygienist and she had this like model of teeth. It was like this big and I did a drill on how

to floss your teeth, you know what I mean. I still think about it all the time. But like you said, everybody had to get up there and and do something at some point, you know, doing drilling, and like you said, for somebody who has never been up there doing a drill or talk in front of anybody, it's a little weird, like you said, initially, but the boys had to do the macarena. So did Kelly. Did they put your back full duty permanently or no, you didn't.

Was I'm trying to think of what happened. Yeah, I must have been having visits to the medical office. Yeah, and doctor Bizant he was terrific. I mean he had me on all kinds of different medications, different inhalers and what have you. And I was cured. I was actually or to asthma. And back then, they didn't think that that was possible, you know, they didn't think that I didn't want to go out. You know, I was young, I you know, I was I was a

lieutenant. I had my sight set on becoming a captain, and I didn't want to go out at that point in my career. And yeah, so I was very fortunate to be in that position. Very fortunate. You bounced around the fourteenth Division. I didn't bounce too much, to be honest with you, only because I and slips and at that time it was after nine eleven and we just had class after class. You have to class to Cliss. There was one point in time where we had three classes rotating through.

I mean we'd get there seven o'clock in the morning and be there at ten o'clock at night. Just you know, they needed they needed the bodies. And yeah, so if there was a tour available and I could work it in, of course I would. Yeah, I wanted to. But to say that I did a lot twas I did though, I was like, oh man, this thinks, because like that really not one of the I was. You know, I did actually at some point become one of the boys, of course, but now you're really not one of the boys.

Not only Chase, you're a woman, but you're not one of the boys because you're not from that company. You're bouncing. Oh no, what some of the places in the fourteenth that you enjoyed working and that you can remember? It was mostly to be honest, It was over like by Douglason all that way. It was like quiet. It was like I really remember going on be honest with you. I mean, you know, but again,

you know, you got to think about it. It was a really short amount of time, right, two or two retired and two or three So what was that captain? For a year and a half and a year and a half I was doing flips? So how many tours did I work in the field as a captain? I never caught a job as captain? Oh no, no, it was only a year and a half, you know, And it was after nine to eleven. You were doing all that other card stuff, right, Oh yeah, So any regrets? Would you do

anything different? I was just going to say that cool. That was my question. He told us questions. Now we know each other, what would I do different? You know what I don't know. Everything I did was a new experience. Every day was a new experience. It was different. You never knew what was going to happen, you know. You know, I don't think. I really don't think there was something I could have done different. You know. Grateful I was true to myself. I'll be honest

with that. I was grateful. I always cheated myself, you know, right, I'm grateful. I had a wonderful family. You know, my mom, my brother, my children. You know, I had a good support system. You know, a lot of the women didn't have that. Yeah, you know, they were still around. My mom passed away like twenty years ago. Oh she was not young in that picture that you took when you got promoted. Can but that was two two when she died into

four. Oh wow, so she was seventy three actually in that picture. Yeah, I'll take it. Well maybe not, maybe a little more than that. Let me let me ramble off the three questions. You ready clean mind? Best meal in the firehouse? Oh that's a good one. Oh clim check used to make what's that stake? Flank's sake? He used to cut it. This guy must have had a razor. He got to cut that man, he knew how to cut that steak. It was d delicious, alight licious. That's what best movie in the firehouse. Oh I go

there. I remember I really never went in the TV room. Never. I'll say you probably never went in the TV room. No. One time I was really tied down a TV room. And I'm not going to give too many details, but I thought I was watching a movie about parrots, and well that's not what it was. But I do remember watching Junkyard Dogs in the in the in the TV room, and I do you know what's good about the fire has to watch the movie because like, like, for

instance, the movies. I just remember the movie City of Angels. You didn't know what it was about because you watched like this part of it and then you went out. Yeah, yeah, you never watched the whole thing, right, maybe another part of it was on, or it took you like a week to watch the movie. And then once you watch the whole movie, you're like, oh that's what you know what? It was a good movie or whatever. They would have that movie on constantly, like you

would watch that movie a thousand times, Like pulp fiction. We must have watched a thousand times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, last question, best night to work in the fire house? Best night? Yeah? What do you mean day of the week or it's only one night better than Friday night and the fire Saturday night in the fire house. I guess, I don't I don't know. I didn't like. I didn't like Sunday night because you know, that was like the meal was terrible,

right, nobody cooked. But I was in South Jamaica, so you know back then the supermarks closed or whatever, Chinese food from god knows where. You know, it was always usually shiny food on a Sunday night Chinese. But the hell they were making in that Chinese food play right, Yeah, it's something that was not my favorite York Yeah right, I got that right. I got a quick, funny Chinese food story. Are you ready for

this one? So my wife is Asian, right, and uh, my brother in law lived about I don't know, five blocks for the fire house. So it's a Sunday night and he has to stop by and pick up keys from me. I don't know what it was. He shows up and it's like it's like the window. He's got a flip flops and shorts and somebody sends over the loud speaking Chinese foods. My father in law Chinese foods

in that's freaking awesome. That's awesome, all right, you know, you know, can we just play a little tribute to John Clancy who lost his life my love? Yeah, because I was out and you know, I think it would be just a nice shout. It's not a shout out, you know, but yeah, you know what, that was a lot of death and although it happened several years ago, we're going to give him the tribute on the five bells tonight. Okay, I like it ready, mm

hmm. That's for you, mama. All right, Now we have to get some more information from you, you know about the old school tip of the day, right I do? Are you ready for it? I am all right, Mike, Let's do it. You ready? All right? It's time for the old school goal tip of the day day, Take it away, happen on end. Okay. Always, whether you're the senior man at the probe, whatever you are and the job, always check your own equipment, actually your mask. If you're on a job, you hear your

alarm going off. There's a little o ring that connects the hose uh to the cylinder and if you're out in cold quite some time, that O ring can shrink a little bit, so your mask me it seems like it's malfunctioning, but it's really just the O ring track it. Once you get back in the warmer, you know space, your mask is going to be fine. But never let someone check the equipment that you're going to be relying on that your life is going to be relying on. Amen. That's such an

obvious one. And I don't think anybody's getting that happened to you? Roof you didn't check your own mask or something? Yeah, and I tried to put the face pisces on. There was a cheetahbar in there instead of I know, if somebody told me it happened, it's been sets going around now. I did check the air. I just it was the mask. Was that. I just purged it. I didn't actually ah after that. You never did that again, though, right? Never? Good job? What's

the scroll and the arranging? Game going over overtime? Oh again? For the second straight game. They were up to one with a minute to goo. Carolina, on an empty net, scored a game time goal with the minute in the half. Well, I want to thank you Captain Many for coming on. I thoroughly enjoyed you. Know what. I want to thank whale ship. What's his real what's his real name? Mario? His real name is Matthew. He's currently changing it to Mario because my husband's name is

Mario Mario. All right, technical help. We really appreciate it. Thank you, good luck at one hundred tree POSTA. Your husband was from Italy, right, he was from Avelino, Italy. Yes, did you have the red peppa hanging from this from the what is that brollion? Like? Exactly? Awesome? All right, cap thanks for coming on. I appreciate it a great time. Uh oh well roll well, let's uh we can always just put her in the back until she comes back. We'll talk to

her. Okay, let's put her back on. All right, there you go, I'm back sharing your career with us. Had a great time. Thanks for coming on me too, Thank you guys for having me. Good luck to you guys in your careers. Good luck, Thank you very much. We will see you Monday. We don't have a guest for now, but we'll drum up something and Thursday we're off the Hattiesburg. All right for

y'all. All right, Mike, anything else, any shout out do you want to give mikey uh no, just as always to the west all my peeps at the West Haven Fire Department. Today we did more rich training down at the fire school, So shout out to all my peeps from shift. And since we have a woman guest on tonight, the we have two female firefighters that were on the BRIT training today, Shout out to Lauren Womett and

Helen Hickey, who did a great job with the BRIT today. Tones dropped that I did the uh no, no, not yet, at least not yet. At least I haven't got in the box a little bit, so we'll see what happens. All right, guys, we'll see you on Monday night. Until then, stay low and go Thanks again, cap, We'll see everybody. It was a pleasure behalf of Captain Marion mon An, Lui Frano, Kevin Coobler and all of you in the audience tonight on Mike Colone.

We will see you next time. Go nix Goo Rangers and as always, be advised, folks, the Tones are dropping. Take care, good night,