The SGT. Kendall Cobb Episode

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Kendall Cop, how you doing, good man? Do you feel the same Do you feel the same way that like ex ball players feel when you've done something for so long and you gotta retire. You gotta face that retirement and now it time question. That's a good question. M No, I didn't cry. Why So I've always known the day was coming. When I came on ninety two, I said I'm leaving. I'm doing thirty years. This year was thirty years. So I've always had in my mind and I never

like grew up on the police. So this is I mean, I'm glad I did it. Thank God for it. You know. HPDs allowed me to feed my family and do my thing. But I'm ready to turn the page and moving. I don't. I don't, I don't. My identity wasn't all no, because my identity wasn't all HPD. My my identity is like helping people, which I'm still gonna continue to do. It's just I'm doing a different capacity. Okay, you know it served this purpose. I'm cool with it. Was trying to

move on. That's a young man's game. So back back back in the early nineties, man, um, when when you just got with the force, did you notice that a lot of um, a lot of profiling going on, like pulling kids out, like you you you witnessed this what you mean back in the nineties, I'm talking about it. No, I'm talking about Look, so here's the name. So I'm I'm in my neighborhood and I'm in a red Ferrari. Uh five twelve, I'm doing the speed limit. I'm chilling,

bubble gum, Come on, all right. I got my shotgun over in my you know how we drove with the shotgun on the passage side. So he pulled me over. He made me get out of the car. He uh he asked me because I searched the car. I tell him no. He called the dogs. He you know, he was really really went to the extreme, you know, and this is my neighborhood. And then some black cops that I actually know was pulling up, and it was like, man, he could he ain't. He didn't want to hear that

I was doing something wrong. I had drugs on me, and I could, I could. I can honestly say that I have been a target of profiling back in the nineties for a long time. But I think that now that I'm older, excuse me, they don't really pull me over and target Well that's that's that's because you're older. They see what you see, they know who you are, so they're hitting that when they get behind you, they

hit it. Uh. He's seventy five years old. Guy's harmless along here got along, there's something that the bottom line is listening. So back what you're saying, I mean the Delaway State the other days told y'all stuff still get profiled. And again then then the Delaway State state thing in Georgia, like they knew who it was and once they got on so who it was, they were very extra with how they went about it. But nonetheless, back in the nineties, yeah,

profile was going on. Profile still goes on to a degree. Um is not so much because we have to put our we have we have to put racial profiling card in every traffic stop. That again, you have to put a racial one filing card. Yes, there's a mind of cards. So basically and again I just let the go last month. So up until the until months ago when I did my stops, I don't do stop very often. You gotta be do something crazy for me to stop you, but I'll still stop you. And even I as a supervisor,

had to put in a racial profile and car. Basically it's a demographic cards saying you know who did you stop? We're you stopping? You know? What's the demograph of the person? Race? Uh? Sex? And then um, did you know this prior to all the different aspects, and that helps track people who were racially profiling people. So so, but let me just again. I got a thousand stories I've been stopped throughout my career, and I know it was racially profile. I mean, I couldn't.

I couldn't make this if I wanted to come. So you want your quick story. The story we'll be hearing six, So listen. So I just worked you not division, and we work night shift. So there's a subway like it Holcom in the medical center. So it was my do the food run. You know I'm going I'm getting food everybody. So I go to subway in uniform. Okay, No, I'm playing close by man a police raid jacket and I'm in an unmarked car. So so somebody blowing my phone.

So I come out of subway with the food. I'm about to make a you term on Holking whatever it was to get back to the station. I'm gonna say, it's all my cow. Okay. So I'm sitting at I'm stopped at a traffic light waiting for the light to turns. So I made to you, uh, constable is going the opposite way. So he passed me. I looked at him. He looks at me. Precincts seven. I don't know precining it was. It's right there in the area, so made precinct one. I don't know. I can't appreciate time, but

it's a constable. So so he looks at me, and he turns around and gets behind me. Now he's going to ops way. He makes the worlds are the meeting and gets behind me. I just away from my light to term, so my light turns. I make to you. He makes you and pops me. As soon as he possed me, I put and I shouldn't have done this, but this is like ninety seven night seven. I merely went to the first driveway and I jumped out of the car. And I shouldn't have done that, but I

don't know. I was so incessed because I'm like, dude, I wasn't even moving. You can't say I did okay, alright, I wasn't doing ship. Why are you? I mean, he got behind me, and I don't think. I'm like, you're turning on. PopEd me, so I make that you. He popped me. I jumped out the car. I made my rade Jack I like what And I went up told me me Lee and he's like, oh, no, it was, and he went some lie about it was some uh cars broken into or whatever. He he reached out of

his ass and made that excuse. But the bottom line is once he saw me jump out in my rage jacket, and I'm like, hey, motherfucker, if you look at the plate, you know you're so hell been on who you saw driving. If you take the time look at the plate, it's a Texas exempt plate. That should be a clue Texas exempt plate, law enforcement or some governmental agency that alone should that exempt plate should to spark you that hey

this isn't you know, brother USA or whatever. Even if I am brother, you are saying what did I do? I'm stationary at a stoplight, waiting for like the terms, so he could say I did something. When he got behind me, I still had moved because the lighthead yet to turn. So that's that's one quick story. So again he went to been some breaking man, and I just I just walked off, man, get out of here. And I just wanted I could have checkn it further and like no supervisor and stuff. But at that time I

was an officer so I let it ride. Let's go back to your humble beginnings. Man, Like I want to know, like what inspired you to want to be a police officer? But even before you get there, I want to know more specifically who who put it into you? That's say that I want to have a different lifestyle, you know, And where did you come from? Where? Where were you?

Where were you raised? Okay, so I'm from outside Detroit, Michigan, met Point Westland, Michigan, outside Insure Westland, just outside Detroit. So when you fly into Detroit, fly, when you fly into Detroit Metro at Rhymeless, I'm right next to Rundless. You like my three months from the airport. So um, I grew up outside there, went to Catholic schools, so I show in that regard. So what made me want a police? That's funny again, I didn't grow up one

of the police. I went to Tuskegee for veterinary medicine, but I went I went there with the mindset of chasing skirts instead of chasing my grades. So I get Pisspoort grades. So therefore you don't get accepted VET school if you had Pittsport grades. So therefore I didn't make it invest school, so graduate, I got her first RTC because has Air Force RTC program went through that deal.

UM was in Vanderberg Air Force Base in California. Did not do well, very academically challenging, so washed out of that, and then I came here. My brother lived here. He still does, but he lived in periand that time, so I came here and I was doing UM credit card collections at that time. So at that time and I looking for a john. Got this degree, can't really use it, so teach for America. I don't. If you have from your Teach for America degree animal science animal husbandry. Yeah,

so UM Chief of America. If y'all heard of it before I started nine to check out of Princeton when they cop Kopp started his program where he got these corporations and fund all these people who were reaching college grads who didn't teach but wanted to teach, didn't didn't have degrees in teaching, but wanted to teach. So it took five hundred of us. We went to USC's campus, trained and went every four different locations around the country

North Carolina, Rural North Carolina, Nowork rural. UM Louisiana and then l A and New York, and I chose New York. So I'm in New York City doing my thing, teaching, loving what I'm doing. Hated New York, but I love my kids. Hated New York too fast to route to dirty. I was in Brooklyn. I was living in Brooklyn, so I lived in Park Slope. By taught best I, so I would take a little my little train and you know, go to do with our best I And I love

my kids. I love I love teaching by hated New York is too fast for me and too I didn't like it no nature anyway. So while teaching right Nick King Captain, Yeah, so Rodney King cappen, I said, man, you know this is messed up. I watched the tape like everybody else said, and I was like the enforcer for my school. In other words, you know, very few Maale teachers and middle schools. I was at junior high school to forty eight, which is you know, right off

the hard the bed stye. So they come to me and hey, Mr cop, you need to you know, talk to whom ever. I had young men stay afterwards, talk to them, try and mentor give him some guidance because you know they've running around foot loose, fantasy free, something like, man, let me go ahead and try and get us some insight. So from that kind of put me in that mode of hey, let me try and help. But when Rodney King happened, I said, Man, wait a minute, police department,

black community. I'm black, and I'm black black, So I'm like, let me get in here and make a difference. So that's that's that planned to see. So I taught one is a two year commitment. I taught one year in New York. Did not supposed to come down here for the second year. And the lady who down here in Houston, Oh yeah, I promised me all this stuff. When I got down here, She's like, I didn't never told you that. So she sold me out. So I had to find a job on my own. And that's why I went

to Fleming. I went and talked to Chester Smith. He was the presion PRINCIPI Fleming. No I went back, so I'm talking you know my niece. Okay, So I was there. This is like ninety one. So I'm teaching Fleming. Mr Smith gave me an opportunity and at the same time I apply for Harris County and I apply for HBD, not knowing the difference. I didn't know. I'm not from here, so I didn't know. First of all, I know what the consult was because when I have counselors in Michigan.

So I'm like, so, whoever called me first is who I was going with. An HPD called me first. So while I was teaching, I started my little background check and then I didn't even finish that year out. I talked like three quarters of the year and that class started. So I told Mrs Smith, I said, thank you for the opportunity, but department is calling. I got the six month academy. I gotta go. And he was like, no, thank you for you know, doing what you did in

the time. Friends, I was again trying to talk to young men. You know, I talked to young ladies too, but I really focus on young man. No, you only cause no, hey, you know, no, people look at you crazy when you talking, so you gotta keep your distance in that regard. By death. Only did my thing with young men, trying to like just direct them and put them in the right path. And again I'm not the answer. I tell people, I'm an answer, I'm not. I'm not the final say. I'm not the word, the black word

of life for black police. I'm just telling you, I'm giving you what I learned in fifty five years on this earth. And I like to think I got a level even kill approach to it. Who sparked that learning, uh, hunger in you from the beginning? Your mother, your mom, thirty year teacher, year teacher, and she talked, and what are some of the lessons that coming up like that you learned from your mom that you said, man, that you're still taking with you, you carried to this day.

You Accountability is big, Like I'm really big on you know, only what you do good, bad, happier said you know, and and and being in the gift back you know, you know the class is saying you blessed to be a blessing. That's my stuff for real. And that's not like some little thing to put on a bumper circle. That's my stuff for real. I'm like, I'm like, whatever I got, you know, and I came from the classic two parent house or whatever. I'm like, I got that.

So if I can help recreate that, because I think it turned out cool for me. So let me, let me jump the ship real quick, so don't jumping straight to my first year of HPD. So I'm in. I saw a Park fourtune district, so yeah, solo. Everybody was a rookie in South Park solo so low. No, it wasn't God babies and foods right, So that's that goes back that rap story. So anyway, so, um, I'm doing my thing, and um, of course my number one place,

my number one call for service was leving not left him. Okay, everybody know that according's departments, so get a lot of calls there. So what had what made a big impression on my mind early on and still affects me now, you know, in terms of where I want to go with stuff. So the number one call I would get is mom being beaten by boyfriend, never husband, no, no, never, this always boyfriend, followed shortly by my mom's boyfriend touching kids.

But the main thing that really clearly number two that like actually one and one A. But what's the first thing? Mom catching catching hands. That's the number one call I would ever get. And the second call was mom's boyfriend doing something with kids and something like sexual. Yes, it's like like that's the second most call you that I came across, and I understand this. I'm fortune district and a night shift, so I I didn't put the my numbers for like you know, the crime reports for the

for the year per whatever category. Crimes have categories, but I'm telling you, I'm I'm fourteen district, night shift, and that's what's my calls. Assault domestic abuse by birdfornd on mom, followed by boyfriend doing something sexual to the boys and the girls. So let's not get it twisted to the boys. Stop boyfriend, boys, boyfriend not husband, never husband, which never, that's never husband and to me that anyway, I got a whole another solicity on that about the whole Marriors

thing and us in marriage. But nonetheless, so that's that's so, this was my thing, and I'll wrap upon this. So I'm getting the calls and I will sit there and say, I say, so I get there three o'clock in the morning, mom beating up something, you know, getting information, going to the apartment. Kids are up watching TV three clock in the morning or not or knocked out. But here's the point, either up, day up now because all the drama fully clothed,

that's that's will kill me. You fully clothed, Yet in about three to four hours, that teacher is expecting you, the kid to show up fed, rested, clean and ready to learn. But you have none of those things because mom is trying to get the wood and she forsakes all her responsibilities for this new dude. And again, and the new dude just go on. The the beat goes on in terms of the next dude. Who wanted to be the next sire of the next child. No, nobody

wants to do this, nobody. And that's what again, that's that was my number one thing. And I'm like, that's what That's what really pricked my heart. I'm like, these kids don't even have a chance. So so somebody blown me up. So listen. So when no, no, no, no, you could um so check this out. So I was in Atlanta one day with um with my wife. This is about two years ago, and we're in um fish local I don't know where, some little independent fish story

fish shop, and there's a check there. She was decent looking and she had like a maybe five kids, and all that look difference. I'm assuming that I don't know the story of All I know is she was pregnant, and she had all these kids, and she looked through to me, she looked like she was off, like she was mentally off, but she was still looked physically she was esthetically appealing. Like I mean, I thought, you know, given normal circumstances, it would be somebody you shot at.

But you know, if you don't see what the whole situation. But like I said, she pregnant, you got these kids? Again? I don't. I didn't talk to her and go in detail, but I'm just telling you. I told him, I said, wow, this is crazy. So he got this kid. You see she throw and I could tell she throw just by her interaction with kids. So what do is willing? I don't care what she looks like. I don't care. Look, look, we all love it. Yeah, it's it's great. It's awesome.

But there has to be at some point in time it can't be just about getting this stuff. It has to be about responsibility and you get this stuff, Why are you creating a life you can get the stuff and get on. Why are you making a life that you don't even anyway? So I told my wife, what what person would even take time to impregnant her again? And you see you throw, you see she throw. Right. I know I'm going down. But my point is this. My point is that, y'all, I have a soapbox for this,

a tremendous soapbox for this. What does that mean? This is the hill I die on. I'm about Black people in America need to marry. And why not? Okay, okay, y'all, okay, because because I think it's very important that we understand what goes into that. It's not just a piece of paper, not just a It's a bonding thing. It is it is. It is not it's a bonding thing an institutional thing. Well,

it's both. You know you even to be in an institution. Okay, dog, okay, fine, if you won't go to intri rob But I'm telling this is actually bigger than what Man has said about it. It's a bonding thing because it creates that unity and he creates that that that that self sustainable situation that you can branch home from. And what I mean by that is this. I have two sons. My first son is by marriage. My wife was marriage before. She's a

young widow, so you know my biology. But I have adopted and so he's mine and my the one I sired, so it's my pastors name on is very important to me. And the fact that I tell them, you know you, there's something to the name that means something to you that I show you. Hey, I've done this and it's not me. This was done for me and I'm just passing.

I'm kicking this can further down the road. This is I got this from my parents, who got it from their parents, and I'm just building on this for future generations. And I think it's very important. Again, I ain't look everybody,

do you do what you do? I'm saying if you asked me, I think that is the key to a lot of our woes because it will bring in unity, it will bring in a sense of structure, it will it will bring in responsibility, and it will bring in familiarity so that child in that situation you can come home nor Okay, I'm gonna come home on, get on my work, on, get on my goal, whatever it is. I'm going to further that. And I have that support based there to make that happen. I got the environment there.

We all see weeds growing between uh concrete cracks, right, Okay, so those weeds are surviving. For all those weeds thriving, what is it? What or what is that grass? Let's let's weeds are bad? Let's say grass. Is that grass thriving? The ideal setting for that grass would be good, rich, fertile, solt is water intended to the grass can steal, grow between the cracks and survive. But what is the best

setting for that grass to thrive? I submit to you, whoever else, so listen that if we create the setting by which we can grow this next generation and grow these kids up. Not to say everybody gonna come out on top, but you've at least nurtured the environment and create created the structure by which they can. And that's is my thing. So that's all I mean by that. That's the that's the hell. I'm dying on the marriage here, I'm dying on for us. And again not that I

don't care about others, but I care about us. Voice reloaded podcast will be right back after the spot. What do you say to people who said, who point to the high divoice rate between not just black people but a people in the United States agree as evidence that marriage is a lost cause. I completely disagree with that. I completely I mean I don't know. People say that. I've heard it as well, and then I know the divorce rate is high, and it's a lot of reasons,

so I say, still go forward. But see, it has to be the reason why you marry. See, you can't just marry the Mary. You can't rer because she got the big butt or he got the nice car, or you want to you gotta marry. Yeah, a lot of people get married because they don't want to see the next person with this woman with this man. Correct, I don't give a funk. Okay, so this is my my two cents. You got to marry the internal person. Don't get me wrong. You can like the packaging, but the

packaging comes and goes. Man supposed she big as hell and got teeth missing and her breast. Think that's you cool with that as long as you like your personal know you that good question? The only personality. But she funny too? Yeah exactly, So No, you still gotta have You still gotta be attracted to her, but you can't worry about your boys being attracted to her. You got it long as long as she does it for you. And I like that, and y'all are building something. So

here's my little thing. So in me, in my own situation, I was talking to my wife and she thought about the proposed to her and for Christmas, and I didn't And at that point I didn't find it out. Too later she said, when you didn't propose me because I took her to meet my parents. You know, I'm old school. I'm like old school beaver cleaverand you know, the black beaver cleverand I'm like, you know, meet the parents, get

the blessing, that type of stuff. So we went to see my parents and and she just knew she would't come back with a ring and all her coworkers, Girl, you get a ring, She's like nope. So at that point, y'all, I was on the clock, but I didn't know it. So I ended up proposing a couple of months later because I'll do it all my time, I won't try

and do it like some traditional stuff. So anyway, pointy is I believe I believe it's imperative that, yeah, you gotta be attracted tour, but long as y'all are building something together, like building is that? Is? That? Is? That? Is that money that we that everything? It's all the above. It's funny say it's every category. Y'all know Dave Ramsey, right, I don't Willie Probabie do? Will you know everybody? Willy his friends with everybody. He is, He's friends with everybody.

He's a he's a financial guy to Nashville, Tennessee, old white. He checking out Dave rams dot com. He talks about anyway. So he talks about these four categories, and I'm hook line, sinker soul. He says, if for a marriage, through my marriage, and you're rationale for hooking up with somebody, he said, for marriage, your work. If you can be on the same page of these four categories worries, this will be

your path to success. Not every single instance, but this is if you If you get on these four categories, usually usually set your faith, your finances, sex, and child raring. So those four categories not in that order, but you know, for that order for those who faith, your money, your sex, you know how y'all get down, and your child raying. You might be a spanker, she might not be a spanker or whatever. But the point is, if you can get on st page of those categories, you have a

high percential making it on the sex part. So back to your question about the divorce ry. I know, I know things are crazy with divorce because we live in the social media world, and yeah, you have a lot of different information coming in and different stimulis, so you it dilutes the message. But y'all know who friends to Chris Wilson is. You'll remember her, right, okay, all right, all right, So I'm a big, big, big friends to Chriss Wilson. I just meant to do that day telling

telling him about the icest papers. So for INDs to Chriss Wilson used to say, she said, don't marry to your thirty And she said, in the meantime, you know, get your cell phone, get your career until you at least at least that's what I'm saying to correct. And she said, you know, get yourself. You know, all the fellows, get your silling inside of you, get sow your oats, but get your career on. She get her career on.

So by time y'all come together, your mature And when she talking about maturewing about us, you know, we're way behind the females in terms of years, light years exactly exactly. I'm two years old, my wife, but I'm four years younger than her, because you know, she just she's running ahead of me. So so the point is she talking. She talks about that, and I've also abscribed to that notion that, yeah, you gotta be about something. And so I know it's divorce rate, but I think people get

married because you heard she can really blow. She heard, she heard you got a big one. Come on, it's just nonsense. I mean nothing, nothing based on meaningful things. You gotta marry the person. So yeah, she could be big or whatever. But if you got to look in the side, Yeah, but one of them titties might be bigger than the other. I can't do nothing. I can't do nothing with that. Let's let's let's a whole another rabbit hole. You a moment ago, you talked about you

talked about your career path Dodge. Now, considering the murky relationship that the inner city communities have with law enforcement, do you feel any type of responsibility to merge that gap, especially with the youth and as a black man. Completely, That's what I'm saying, Listen, That's what I told you. That's why I got into this in first place. Please,

in first place. So it's funny you mentioned that, So April At for American Places, the league, that's our brand, that's what that's what we do that listen seven and growing. So so okay, So back in the day, and I'm again hold another tangent, back in the black officers weren't allowed to do their thing. They really do have a union or I have an organized group. Oh so again may Walker and the founders of a pole At for American Place actially just like seventy four. In the seventy

five the organzation started. Seventy five finally got this unionformed and you know, did their thing because you know, just things were fouled, you know, across the board for yeah, right, so so started this deal. So now it's grown to like I said, this membership. We have white, we have Asian, we have like Latin members because we're all about community. So back to your question, Yeah, there's you won't believe

the number of officers. See people be like uh you um oh, Curry, I mean that that's that's there's a connect to that. But the vast majority officers are down for they're not lost with who they are. They know exactly who they are and they understand why they're there, and you trust me, you want the officer that officer in that scene because that also changes that am of

how things go when they're present. Why really this So you have a predominantly black neighborhood, right, let's just say an all black neighborhoods and you have um white officers controlling or patrolling in this area. Do you think that that draws Uh? Uh, that's that's like that's like all in water right completely, So, so why don't why are we not responsible as black people to police our own area?

You know, we speak the same language. You know you you you have you have compassion towards us as you know somebody else would not have no compassion towards us whatsoever. We still we just little niggers to them with the E R. So so, so answer your question. So there's a contingency of people who want to go in police white alls who want to go to the neighborhood cause they feel like they can just do whatever. And let

me give you a prime example. I came on the dude I used to ride with UM we were my chance live in the same neighborhood, and we found that out like first week, So we started um car pool together. His brother worked in northeast. Brooks the last name Brooks. Your brother worked in northeast and he said, yeah, my brother said, He said, man, I can't wait on North. Don work night shift. I'll be like I'm walking down. Oh he said. He walked with me by on the corner.

Come here and grab my throat. And I'm like, what are you talking about? So I'm like, I'm not going northeas I didn't want to even get down like that, And I'm like, so, so there's a contingent of people. Yes, yes, who who who who? Because his brothers already there and

he telling him this is how you get down. So there's a part of individuals who want to come and keep talk about this a long time ago, you know, you know, do you eight our and hit the showers, come here and please this group this certain way, and they get on. Unfortunately, have officers of color who also ascribe to that notion because they're trying to assimilate. Yeah,

but a right, But again that's a small minority their individuals. Yeah, you should have individuals who look like you because you can relate. See when you have your officer coming from Iowa and you're like the third last person he had his dealings with. He's not gonna know anything and his he and there's no compassion like type of compassion. He can't see himself and you or your nephew or your little brother or the little that's not his mama, that's

not his. There you go. And that's not saying I'm not saying you can't fairly please, No, they listen. I just told you. I just I was a sergeant, was a patrol sergeant, so I had and I worked uh um acre zone like fourteen sixteen fifteen, fourteen fifteen, so I had all right officers and maybe one spend concer. No issues. I'll show up on seeing. And now because I'm showing up on seeing, they just they just did things right. They just did things right. And I'm like, man,

they handled their business. I wrote them up ardally because they handled their business. They police fairly. Body Warren cameras came out, so we review everybody's body one camera. You have a squad, so you're as a sergeant, you have

you know, so many officers up under you. You're required to review everybody on camera every month, so you see what they do, not granted you you might miss the one day act, the crazy on, but you get a feel for them, you get a little JPR, little ratings, and you see how they do and you just go to a couple of scenes how to interact. Again, nothing

is fool proof, y'all. But the bottom line is you're gonna just have to get individuals to understand treat people the way they should be treated and not just treat it. Just do what's right. And let me throw this here since we're talking, and this is this is I have a thousand sayings, but this is one of them. White is not right? Right is right? M hmm. People think, oh, that's you're doing it this way. Just that's the white

man's way. So early on, when my early days in South Park, they I got a couple of the times, and it bothered me, uh just loose sleep. It bothered me insessantly. I'm like, why my uncle Tom up here trying to and that. So then this is my little comeback I devise. I said, okay, So I said, okay, so why I'm uncle Town. Yeah, if you're down here arresting song and so song and so for whatever, So I said it, check this out, man, all black world, everybody black? Is what you did to cry? Is that

an offense against somebody? You're stealing, you're beating somebody up, you're doing Is that a crime? It is a crime. Shut the funk up there, and this this is about what's what it's about. Right, And everybody across the board ascribes right. Just nest too white. Nobody's caring to marketing on righteousness. No group as a corner marketing righteousness. Now, if you want to spit some groups, let's spit the group of those who want to do right and those

who will commit to doing wrong. If you want to spit some groups, but across the board, you've got individuals who who want to help, and you got individuals who want to tear down. So you know that's that's the we're going on. That's not the end the race where you know it's it's about individuals who want to do right. So went back to your initial question and your point when you come to police. First of all, you have to be a special breed to you even want to

do this. It's kind of crazy. Remember gunshots, we're running towards gunshots. People, everybody's running away from it, and we're trying to get to the bottom. And a lot of times we be a cooperation for the public. Sometimes we don't, but we're still wanting to get out there and put our life online for people who know them to know. And that's crazy because again I didn't grow up going to do this and like I wanted to do this is just you know, it happened. So you ought to

be person who wants to help. But you gotta want to help everybody fairly. You can't just want to help one particular group of one social and economic group or one No, you gotta be across the board. So you know, actual jobs also work at your jobs. So I would you work at a MC at willow Brook And I had some some skinheads come in and this is horrible, but it's true. So I had like, there was two chicks and to do and they had like some crazy

shirts on and the church. The one female shirt was like a black T shirt and had the Europeanist Christ, you know, the very Christ like laid back like almost in the tumb on some rocks and had a nun kneeling in front of him, so you see the back of the nun and he laid back almost like she's performing. And then on the back on the back, now that's front of the shirt offensive as it is. Then on the back of the shirt it said Jesus was a cunt. So unt, you know, you know everybody that's a that's

a big no word. So people come to me, white, Black, Porterrican come to me just so I had to go talk to him. They don't like me, and they're ready to jump on them. But I'm still I can't be like, uh, you know, like I can't know. I when I signed shook his own. I took his own for everybody, so I gotta provide the same protection to you did I do everybody else, regardless of how you your ideology. So I know got them out of it safely. But the point is it's not about what someone thinks. It's about

when I signed up for this. I gotta be fair to everybody. So any officer, white, Black, Puerto Rican, Asian, Latino, whomever, And I don't care what what side of plates you back from. If you're out here to help, then damn the help. But how do you reconcile being a black man in America and working for an organization that was founded to hunt intimidate, destroy, diminish, subjugate black people. Good question. So obviously slave patrols. Yeah, that's how police started, right,

we get that, right, so understood. I mean I'm saying that I have known that for a long time. Bottom line is you got to get in to mix it, to mix it up and make that difference. You know, we can be on the outside and be like ra ra ra, or we can get in and change the culture. And again if going back to what you're saying, if if that's the case, then if you never get in, it's gonna remain all white and you never get you get the guy from Iowa and Idaho coming to police

who can't relate verse you getting in. So you know that classic be the change you want to see. Or to your point, you know, back in the day in New York, the Irish people used to be abused all the time by police officers. There were Irish community was in either Italian community was abused by police. They were scum, you know, were degenerate exactly exactly. And what they did

is that they started becoming police officers. But what's interesting is that once they overtook these departments, they started doing the exact same thing to the next class of people who they viewed as a lower class. They started murdering and robbing and planting cases and your story they started. And that's where we are right now in New York. New York NYPD is one of the worst police forces on the planet, not just the United States of America,

but the planet agree. There are rings of their, prostitution rings, narcotics rings, all the things within the ind agree. And I don't know if any of Houston, but I'm you know, in right, because it's just just numbers along simple fourth largest city. It is gonna be third. So and answer your question again, I say to you, what's your motivation for getting into this? Do you really want to help? If you really want to help, again, it's a calling,

it's it's it's above and about the money. You gotta really want to get out there and help somebody and do the right thing. And not every single person can do the right thing. I have classmates who have been arrested. I had a classmate who took his own life because these I did doing file stuff. Um that's my academy classmates. Um, all things happen. But if you're in this for the right reason, and you stay true to your your why.

So so before I retired, I would go on occasion talk to some academy classes and one of my another saying is monderline messages. You remember your why you know? And this even for old heads, why did you get into this? You know, when you were green and idealistic, Why do you say you want to do this? And aby as those kids now you know, we go to talk to you, dad, I want to make a difference.

I want to be a chance. Okay, what you gotta keep that as you're carried, you know, in front of you, because you want to come across opportunities to do all kinds of stuff illegal. You're gonna come across bribery. You're gonna come across Back to my rookie year. I was in thirteen district. And remember, jump our boys. Obviously I mean to say that because you know, I remember I

understand this. Listen, this is new to all this stuff new to me because I'm not from here, so all these terms, it's okay again, I know the consplate was so anyway, so jump my boys. We're going to go do it in thirteen right across the street. You know, right across on Maccawa, East Macawa, and they need to marking to go, so I'm the marketing is chosen. So they're go and kick the door. Get my man down, young brother hens I'm in there, hooked him up. They're like, rookie,

stay here and watch this room. And I'm in this bedroom with I can't tell how much money A lot, a lot, and I'm there to guard the money and I did. But um, the whole deal is I never thought once about, oh, let me get some of this money. That's not how that's not why I got into this, you know, jumping subjects the police department. If for those who were interested, they want to know if you have good credit, and I didn't understand why they thought that

was why would you want? What difference does it make? And it makes a difference because your credit speaks of your integrity, It speaks of if you know you, oh, are you want to pay? Are you going to default on it? So so that's the little miss testing of itself. But I don't understand that coming in. So you'll have opportunities to do crazy stuff and if you choose to do it, you that's you ain't no coming back. That's that's that. You know you ain't on the Jedi right,

you're going the sixth route. You know you're going You're going on the dark side route. Because once you do it, you caught, it gets good to you. Remember Drew Peterson that also up in Ohio, killed all his wives and stuff. Okay, you start doing stuffing, you just start doing crazy stuff, and you never when you turn it off. So the ideal is, try to never ever be corrupted. Try never ever don't let the temptation of money or whatever, or

girls or whatever your thing is. I don't whatever your thing is, understand your why because if you understand your why, you'll stay resolute. Look, look, I'll tell you a thousand stories. Like I said, but he's too quick. I've been at movie theater minded my business, off duty, doing my thing about four times so many my years. Dudes coming to me, he man, what's up? Like, hey, what's up here? You remember me? He's smiling like nah, you're like, man, you

arrest me back and so on. So he he's telling me, rest him with a smile, ask me why what? Because I could respectful exactly. Look, look I get it, you do what you do. But it's not personal. Now I just started personal, man when you put me in jail, So I don't know, bro, Listen, listen, listen, real talk. So that I was an acre song, so night shift, awesome,

six district, so six O one, all those. Also I told you about the young young, so I would show them this clip and then y'all can watch it later on. It's an old um, not bugs Bunny, but during that era, it's like it's like offshoot. It's it's Sam the sheep dog and Ralph the coyote, and it's basically they meet at the beginning of the cartoon and they punch a clock.

They literally punch a clock, and the sheep dog get on guard and the kyote starts stealing sheep and they spend time and he's still something me catching beat him up and one at one point he got about to blastom and that the lunch whistle blow, so they stopped, go eat lunch together. Then they go resumed. What's the blow again? He go resumes the thing be right, and then at the end of the day he said, see exactly.

So I showed a lot of I didn't always show, but I would show some of my young officers who were just coming out that video, just say, look, dude, it's not personal, so you can't take it personally. This dude is doing a crime. You put him in jail, and he does his time and and get on. It's not your job to judge jury, executioner. You do your job, get him to the jail. That course doesn't play it out and that's it. Don't take it so personally that

you feel like you how dear you want me? They wanted to be the jets that you and the execution Boys reloaded podcast will be right back after the sport. This is one thing that I wanted to, uh say say to make sure that I speak on I heard you moments to go talk about how this co that maybe from Iowa who cannot relate to people in the black community, uh may commit transgressions against them because he can't relate to them and he don't feel anything, He

don't see his brother, his himself or whatever. Yeah, in these situations are with these people now. The reason why and I understand that I do understand that's part of the reason, but the greater reason is because they're not being held accountable. You see, because you can flip the strip and script and say, well, why don't black officers do the same thing. I see black officers patrolling white neighborhoods all the time, and black officers aren't jumping out

killing white folks. Black folks are not black folks. Black black officers are not abusing white folks and stretching their authority because they know they're gonna be penalized. They know they're gonna be punished. And but but I'm but I'm saying, even if they were on that tip, retribution keeps them in order. The imminent retribution keeps them in order. And these white cops are not in order because there is

not imminent retribution. And so a lot of these cops out here doing what they're doing because they know that they're not going to be consequences, and even if they are, there's a good chance that they're gonna be exonerated at some point. Because they got this strong union. Well it's not so much it's just good I mean union, Yeah, that's part of you. But really it's the good boy thing.

They got the union, they got the prosecutor, they got the judge, they got a whole lot of things going on that that allows them to continue their So so yeah, that's that's a fact. I mean, it's it's unfortunate. And you would think that the buckaroo system is going where the dinosaur, but there hasn't. But again, understand this, as time goes on, thing is changing. It's a slow process. But again state of course, you know, I'm not with

the slow progress process though. You know why because when white folks in this country won't something they get it ain't no slow process. The motherfucker's go straight into that room and write along and the next day that ship is happening. Immediately they do that ship. I don't want to hear that slow process ship. I don't want his change is slow and all that ship? Now, now what what what slow? Is a motherfucker who don't see what's happening.

That's slow, you know what I'm saying. Like, so when we talk about uh, when we talk about um um reform, police reform, uh, this is not like some type of foreign concept, man, This is this is going back to what you were saying, really treating people how they want to be treated. We don't really need police reform. We need police to fucking conform. You know what I'm saying. You new laws. Exactly, do we need these motherfucker's to be held accountable? Because the laws are already in prace.

They need to be held accountable. They're not being held at time. Hold on, and let me say this. It's not just it's not just they're superiors who are not holding them accountable. It's not just the unions that's not holding the accountable. It's not just the prosecutors. It's not just the judges. It's also your local politicians, your your your your city, your city councilmen, it's your state reps. It's your congressmen and women, it's your presidents. It's all

these motherfucker's are in the same game. And if they wanted, they got the power to stop this ship overnight. They could not overnight right now if they wanted to. If they right now, I said, okay, we're coming after every motherfucker that get out of line, every one of you. So you raise his motherfucker's that crossed that line and do that fucked up ship, We're gonna get you. And once it start happening and they see that, they're gonna buck at first, They're gonna buck at first, The Union

gonna buck well, we're not gonna go to work. That's what we'll do. We won't show up. They'll buck at first, but the moment they start replacing their asses them, that ship will change. Like that. They're not willing to hold them accountable because they're playing politics with people's lives. The police force in New York turn their back on the S's what I meant. That's what I meant. That's the type of ship they'll do. They got too much power. The unions have too much power. They got they got

too much power. So agree, So here's your deal. So answer your question. So let's go back in time a little bit and I go to shrine a lot. Well you two haven't gone recently, but trying Black Madonna and I will go to those three class they had there, and they talked about this incest incessantly, so they would say, you know, back in the day, the government had a choice either start investing money and resources into the community.

Well let it go to the where you're going the way you see it went with the drugs, and just turn it. Let let whatever happens happened. And you see the decision that was made, and we're still in that flux of that decision being that was made years ago, and what you see now is just a mansversation of what decision made late six yearly seventies into as we speak now, and it continues to be made. So so it goes back to that accountability thing. And I hate this.

I hate this because okay, so again I'm fifty five, I'm voting both y'all. Right, now we're insane. You're older than me. Both of y'all older than me. Wh's your birthday? September? September. Yeah, he's older than one can okay, alright, cool, So here's my point. Here's my point. So so remember downing here, So downing here, you know, pre open days, it was

done here. So on you had um, somebody on and maybe a fair kind I don't know who was, but the point is that, don't You had somebody on and a white lady got up and she said, and I think I think I hear vowed not not that, not that, not that that clear. That's funny they say that because I know that too. So um, she says, she says, yeah, um, you get yourself out of situation. She was spitting so much venom. She got up and She's like, yeah, you

get yourself out of the situation. And I'm a teenager of time, and I just I felt like crying, like, give myself you you have created a situation. Get ourselves out, you're asking. I just thought that was such a hard line to take, But unfortunately that's what we've been told, Mary, So get yourself a situation. So it goes back to let's get back on my horse. That goes back to this, that goes back to us doing what's right. And I think, and again this is I could be outside my neck

on this from but I don't think. I am. I think if we start doing our things, and I'm not saying, lets look, we gotta do our thing too. We we got some skin in the game too, because it's our own futures. It doesn't matter what others are doing. If you start at home, if we just keep it at home with how we handle ourselves. I can't step on your shoe and you want to shoot me or you. It can't be that. I can't, I can't wanna. It

has to be bigger than that. My my love, my love for you has to be way greater than some affront you did to me. So side note to the side note personally, and I don't know y'all stories. I let a lot of ship ride over the years on end off because I'm like bigger fish to fight, a bigger fish to fry, and bigger fight to go at. I don't that little incidental stuff on the race tip within the rate. I let a lot of stuff. Yeah, okay, whatever, because I'm not trying to fight you bro, we gotta.

I'm trying to build some community. I'm trying I want some families, some structuring, some guidance in a sense of commun did when people actually care. You know again, I can go all over the map on this. George Floyd, let's jump here, let's go let's go here. This is so so y'all know. The deal happened in twenty like more of day twenties when he got killed right right here front of everybody. So you know, he had they had a funeral form in Minnesota, and then like July

June nine, they had a funeral form here. So I'm working at casts Maxtra job the one on the orisional one of West Timer and um pandemis on. But you know, Bami is still kind of fresh. So we're still letting people in and won't know, like stop people at door. So the blobby is full and it's a dude in there and he's wearing I remember he I knew he wouldn't.

He just looked like he was out of town. He had Los Angeles Los Angeles sippers instead of clippers, like sippers, and I don't know, I just remember that shirt stood out. And he's with a girl, real bad girl, super bad girl, like super bad, and he's like, yeah, he just like made a spectrum himself, and he's messed with this other brother in line, and I'm like, I'm watching up there, and then I'm watching further than that. He like started almost wanted to dude, and the other dude had a

pregnant girl with him. I'm going on like, hey man, I said, hey, hey, hey, why don't you calm down? And I asked him step outside. He goes outside and he's with a crew and they were like they were, uh, are seen him in parking earlier, like maybe twill deep anyway, So we're going going back and forth and now I'm like, hey man, you know you need to calm down. He

getting agitated about like he wanted to get that. To dude, he like looking over me, taller to me, you're looking over me, and I'm like, hey, man, calmed down, and he slapped my hand and the dude with him, the dude's name was Trey. Because I even I end up writing, I even journald about this, I call I called it the Trouble with Trey, based on the trouble with troubles with Starting. So I put because I thought it was so troubling that that this dude. Now, this is the

week of George Foord fer. We're here in Easton, so this is a Friday before so like the funerals like on the ninth or whatever that Tuesday Wednesday, So just the Friday right before this, so everybody knows George forsting are about to be in this week. So this dude slap my hand away, and dude with him who said he to do? Say? It was his cousin and Quincy, he's actually name. He said, what are you doing? He said, trade,

what are you doing? And Quincy grabbed train and tried to shove him back towards the parking lot and I let that ride. Now while I let her ride, Bro, this is the week at George Flord's funeral. I'll be there. I gonna get into some officer on blackmail confrontation the week at George forrest funeral. And then I told you a twelve deep and in me getting some skirmmage in the officer assistant that this thing could have snowballed until who knows what if. I was like, hey, respect my authority.

Time I let her ride. I let it ride because I thought, big picture, this can go sideways real quick. And for what this dude clearly was out of his head, zoned up doing whatever he had in the system. So he's at the restaurant. So that was it. Long behold and I wrap it up long behold. After he's out, some other dude come in and giving me I'm talking about some me mugging, so like, hey, what's up, you know? And he's like he was part of the group, And

I said, you looking for your boy? I said, yeah, he's not in here, and we met him getting a conversation and I'm like, do you wanna do you want to eat here? Do you want to leave? And I'm like, listen, I ain't trying to go this route, but bro, we sure gotta have arter, we should go have a structure. Your boy was fouled, the other dude removed him, Thank God for that. But we ain't trying to lenker this own and they end up lieving. Nothing became of it.

I never had to call for units or nothing like that. But my point is, just think if that slap of my hand would have turned into me and him scuffling, and me and him fighting and then them jumping in and weapons draw for what. This is the week of George Floyd's funeral in Houston for what. So I don't

know if that. I'm sure I'm way off on a tangent, But does that make sense what I'm saying It does make sense, and and and if more officers had your type of mentality, especially white police off and by the way, let me say this right now, I believe, I believe that white police officers should not police in the United States South America because they're too bias. Now I'm serious that they're a one is doing all these killing the white right. The white police officers are the wars doing

all these killing, So they should be white police. These white police officers should be profiled just like they profiled Middle Easterners and thinking everybody gonna blow up something. Totally vet them to make sure that they ain't got it in them. You know, they really need to be checked hard. I know we gotta go, but I got I gotta I got a couple I got a couple more questions.

I really want to ask you real quick. I need to first of all, get your thoughts on the Young Thug and Ghana situation where they've they've been brought up

on charges. What's your thought about these rappers? Yeah, we just just with Young Thug and Rico UM and Young Thug and UH and Ghana was brought up on RICO charges along with several other members of their uh their camp okay, and then us other rappers around the country that have been brought up on RICO charges because they're closely affiliated to the streets and so whereas they may not even have anything to do with it, but they're

being accused because they're hanging out with these guys. They're kicking it with these guys, and these guys are being accused of committing crimes they're getting connected to the RICO Act. Well, you know, what are your thoughts to that in the way that law enforcement uses to not be the case only simply because, I mean, you can't control who you grew up with. You can't control family members if you've

got them doing whatever. Again, I'm not one. I'm not gonna sit and tell y'all I'm down with people doing file stuff. I'm not. I just told you I'm walk to straight lines best you can. However, I don't want to sit up here and just brought stroke everybody because of your affiliation with whomever. So just because you know somebody or do whatever, don't mean you are also doing the same dirt. So that's it's not good at what they're actually accusing young thug of O can a hit

goddamn different. That's that's a little different now that they're they're accusing me. I don't know. I don't know if they have any proof of that, but that's what they're they're saying. Uh, before we let you go, man, what what is it that we can do, society, the people, the community can do to to forge a better relationship with law enforcement. What we can do the forge better relationship with law specifically black people. We got got you.

So what we can do is, first of all, it's from the officer's point of view and our point of view. Stop being adversario with each other. Officers got to stop being oh a long come to his neighborhood, plice this way and think I'm gonna do this, And individuals gotta understand, Look, you can't. Every officer is not gonna be treat you the same way that last officers treated you. And see that goes back to the whole thing about hey, you're ast me back there. I gotta do right by you.

And it's not personally. I keep saying, it's not personal. You did a crime. I restus you. You went to jail, came suspected of a crime. Suspect the cry right right, right, right right, start the crime. So then let the courses and play it out. Good point, good clarification, suspect the crime. I do my deal, Let courses and play it out. You've come back out. You ain't doing no crime or

suspect doing a crime. We ain't got no issue. So the whole thing is we black people, let's start being accountable for our actions, just like these also need be accountable for actions, meaning we don't everything can't be oh because whatever, Let's do the right thing. As best we can, not like I said I can. I'm sure you got fourteen stories. You got eighteen stories about somebody also doing you wrong. I just told you one deal earlier about

I'm an also getting done wrong by an also. But the point is we need to have a sense of community back to friends of Chris Wolson, sense of community, sense of Hey, we gotta look out for ourselves. And you know the Panthers back in the day, what was that all about. That was about community policing ourselves, protecting our own community because law enforcement Open California wasn't doing that.

So I said, we're doing it ourselves, you know, Guardian angels to some regards up in New York and every anywhere else. So we have to be accountable for our own actions, look out for each other. Don't let so and so who you know, be messing lesson kids make it. He can't make it, she can't make it. That's not cool. You got kid, I gottet. Nobody wants who who wants their child lesson? Nobody who wants their Catholytic converter stolen?

No one who wants there? Uh you cut me off in traffic on shoot that you now no one wants that. So we just have to if you're asking, and you and you are, we have to rewrite d program and reprogram ourselves to have a love for one another and overlook a lot of transgressions that we normally would be fighting on and shooting on and personal on and let it ride and look step back and look at the

big picture. And the big picture is we need to be fully give ourselves every chance to be that blade of grass, that fertile field, not that blade of grass growing between those cracks and the concrete be that create that setting where we all can grow up and had this rich field of grass, a bunch of blades together a field, not singular blade, singler blade, single blade, a community of blades making a field of rich uh grass that's is strong and focused on uplift. I hope they

answers the question. That answers the question man, and that's that's a unity and and your and your unity community and your former point which is treat people like you want to be treated. Man. Thank you for coming on the show any time, Sergeant came to card no more time. This episode was produced by a King and brought to you by the Black Effect. Podcast Network and heart Radio