The Paul Wall Episode

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energy you got about yourself? Man? You light that room up. Boy. It ain't the go man, It ain't the grie o Man. It's it's you, man, it's your. It's your, your presence, your persona thank you man, praise praise God for that. Man. You know, I think, honestly though, it's something that if I was to walk in the room and it'd be empty, my energy is different, you know what I'm saying, Like getting out of bed in the morning, it'd be like,

oh man, I get out of bed. But as soon as I don't know I'm around other people, it's just something that bringing out of me. And my wife will always she get on me because she'd be like, man, you'd be in a bad mood till we see other people and they don't have to be like somebody who's like paula, you know, just a random person. If I just bump into a random person who don't have a clue who I am, it's just something that energy would just come out of me. But when it's just me,

I'm I'm sluggish boy. Man. Man, yeah, man, Let's take it all the way back. Let's let's take a walk, yeah through Paul Wall's journey. Let's go all the way back to Joe Runchtown, Texas. Yes, yeah, walk us through a young Paul Slayton. What's that light? Growing up, Well, my grandfather was in the military. His family, both my grandparents, their family came from North Carolina. But when he joined the military, he never looked back, never went back. He uh,

you know, was stationed all around the world. You know, he was in East Germany before the Berlin Wall fell. Uh, everywhere from Jerusalem to you know, he was a certain Korean War. You know, he was in World War Two all over. So my mother, who was born in nineteen fifty three, she grew up she was born actually in El Paso, but you know, grew up all around the world. So they landed in Austin or Beaudah, which is like right outside of Austin, like ten minutes from sixty Beaudah Buda.

I thought it was is that Beauda and Texas because I thought beau exist. I don't know, it's different. It's on beautiful because they get on me because I say it wrong. They're like, now you're saying it wrong. You gotta say it right. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's right by Kyle. It's like ten minutes from sixth Street. It's back then, you know what we're going there from six different yeah, okay, yeah,

so you right now we now we go the different cities. Yeah, we go to now we're like, man, it's right down from sixth Street, man. But yeah, anyway, my mom was pregnant, that's where she was at. And I guess the closest

hospital was in Georgetown, so being born in Georgetown. And then my mom she lived right in uh In like Hempstead Waller at the time, so she just you know, we lived at my grandparents' house out there, you know, till I was I don't know, maybe six months old or something, and then moved to you know where my mom actually lived, which was right and you know, right

outside of Prayer of You right there and Waller. And then when my mom, you know, she was a single parent and she met my stepfather, that's when we moved really closer into Houston. This one. I was maybe five years old, six years old, and we lived right out for like two ninety old out there a little closer and and and it's what it was, you know what I'm saying village now. It was like Fairbanks almost but

not quite Jersey. It's like one of the things where you're on the outskirts looking in where You're like, damn, they got money over here. But then you go a little further into your house and you're like, why we ain't got no money, Like all the neighborhood we just passed up. But it's you know, it's one of the things when you get to experience a mixture. You know, I lived in a very mixed community, so racially economically it was very mixed. So it was you know, Commedia

lived down the street from it. He was my best friend, of course, you know, we grew up best friends, but there were also other people, my boyfood, he was viting themes. It was all continent, all kind of races and everything. But I think economically the mixture is really wood like taught me a lot because you would see people who came from, you know, all type of wealth, and they just had an attitude about themselves. Sometimes it was like

almost entitled. And then you see people who came from nothing, and they would their entitlement was I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna find a way where the other entitlement where you you're giving everything. The entitlement is you expect everything to be given to you. But when you see people like I say, who didn't have anything, they would have this attitude about, man, I'm gonna find a way to

go get it. And you know, hard work was something that was instilled into me, you know, at a young age, being grateful and you know, just doing your best, you know, not coming up with excuses, not complaining, you know, because you always, like I said, I could see right there clares day, no matter how bad I had it, it was somebody across the street who had the worse and

somebody across the street who had a better. So it's like you always are taking like an audit of your life of you know, how good I got is it better than them? Should I be happy? A lot of times you waited with materialistic things. If you get something new, or you know, you get showered with gratitude and joy and love, and all of a sudden you feel good about yourself, or you get something like a some tereialistic

you feel good about yourself. But you know, when I would see the people that would truly be happy, the happiness, the joy that they would have, it would be because of the people that was around them, not because of any materialistic things. You know, of course you're gonna get happy if you get a new car or something, or you know, something like that's your birthday, you got some nice gift or something. But the people that really I

saw that had the real joy. It was the other people around them that brought the joy out, not the materialistic things. And usually, man, the people that had the most materialists of things, they were also you know, in a high stress work environment and life environment, so they seemed miserable. They didn't seem happy in their marriages, you know. You know what I'm saying. They didn't see happy with their kids. They didn't seem happy with any part of

the family, like extended families. And it just was, man, you know, you see, which path do I want to walk down? Who do I want to be? Like? What do I I wouldn't be happy when I grow up? You know what I'm saying? Which one of these people was happy? I'm gonna follow the people that's happy? And who did you want to be? Like? Is that particular person and in your family or maybe somebody on television or radio or whatever. Man, I don't know, Uh, it's tough.

Maybe my grandfather, you know, he's somebody always looked up to and admired. He also somebody man. Yeah, he was a he was a you know somebody didn't was always had a good attitude, and you know, he taught me at a very young age. You know, did one time. I remember one time, I you know, I asked them something like, man, it's anything you don't like, anybody you don't like, or anybody you hate like and he was like, yeah,

I hate biggots. And so it was something he always instilled in me at a young age, like if you were biggot under any certain dance and he's not for you. What's your granddad name, William? Well? Yeah, rest in peace man, Yeah, William. And look the dude fly Ready's name. Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying, yeah, you know what that's a well, that's a way. Yeah yeah, yeah that's what. Now. Were you an inquisitive kid? What

did you play sports? I did, but it was one of those things where I played it because my friends played it. Played t ball. I remember. I remember being in kindergarten. I played t ball and I got MVP but I was sorry. I was sorry, and I was like, Mama, how get MVP? I ain't. I'm sorry I didn't get that one hit the whole I'm talking about T ball. I'm striking out every time I'm at back, and she was like, well, you wanted me to tell you the truth? They picked your name out of hat and I was like,

for real, but I didn't care. I got to you know, we want a free trip to pizza. I'm like, man, that's why I got my name. I was like, okay, I'm thinking to myself, is that they might have had to you know what I'm saying. I'm thinking like that. But I remember too, like the last game in season on T ball. I'm walking and you know, you see the next level up when you're walking past them, and you know, the life the fast pitch. Even though you know I might have been five, they might have been eight,

it was still like a big step up. And I was just walking by, like, man, there ain't no way I'm gonna be able to hit them ball coming that fast. I was like, oh, this might be my last year of baseball. And then growing up me and come in there. You know, we love basketball, so we would play basketball. Man. We'd go to any park. We were fine. Any anyway there was some hoops, we would go pull up and

play basketball, even football. I was always like you know, I was athletic, so I was strong or very strong, and I had like a you know, good attitude and you know, a hard work ethic. So you know, those are those are all you know, characteristics that could lead you to have a good sports career. But now, I just remember when we would lose a game, it'd be people crying and I wouldn't care, like I don't know, maybe because I had you know, issues going on at

home in real life. There was like worthy of crying about where It's like, you know, we lose a game here, it has no effect on my life whatsoever. You know, of course I want to win, but I'm not you know, I can still you know, this is not gonnaffect whether I can eat tonight or yeah, that't gonna pick my name, my dad, no matter what. Yeah, it was, it was. It was something I liked that I like the camaraderie or sports. I like to you know, the team work

that was taught. You know, when you're down, you gotta you know, fight back and never give up. All those type of things. They really they go far, you know I'm saying and building character and you know a young person who's looking for you know, somewhere looking for a direction in life. So it did. It did really provide a lot for me either, even though like the athletic side of it was like I could you know what I'm saying, They tell you at a young age, you

could do anything. You know, you want to go to the pros, you could do it. You want to go be president, you could do it. And I believed it. I bought into most of that for the most part. But at the same time, I'm just thinking, like, man, you know, I could work twenty four hours a day for the next twenty years. I don't know if I'm going to in the NFL, you know what I'm saying. I don't know if I'm going to the NBA. I'm

all right, you know what I'm saying. And if I put in every ounce of effort I could do, is it possible. It might be possible because you see size wise. You know, I'm six foot tall, but size wise, you see people that'll be you know, like Spud Web you know our generation. You see younger people that would be I mean, shorter people that would be like, oh, giggee, hope like man. But then I see Spud with dunking and stuffing like, Man, I'm dunking like mah man, they

still dunk. I'm barely I'm barely touching the bottom of the backboard, you know what I'm saying. I'm struggling and touch the bottom of the net. So I'm like, man, I don't I don't know if this is for me. Man, I'm I like the sports, but I would see myself more as like you know, That's why I got the nickname the water Ball, because I just want to be on the team. We're talking about the Astros. Look, Hey, what's the lowest position I can be to win a ring?

If the Astros win the world? Serious? Is it? I know? I know I can't be on the Yes, let me just be on the winning team. I could be the parking attend that. I don't care, man, just let me be on the team. Okay, but that's close to me because I don't want to be the parking attendant. But I do want to be on the team. Yeah, and I will be that. I'm that dude that will I will die for the loose ball and bust my head to me to get that ball to help us. That's me.

I hold the most dangerous player on the team. Yeah, don't pass me the ball on the open lady. Those five yeah, you need those five fives. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. Don't don't put me at the free throw line with the game online. But if you need me to give a foul, I do it. Yeah. You need me to go to take some files now right, it's it six five yeah, so you need those six fives.

Put me in the game. But also you know, if I need to pass the ball, if I need to, if if you need to take me out the game, yeah, put somebody in better help us win. I'll be on the sideline with you. Come on, you get what I'm saying, Like, I want to win. That's me, man, that's me all day. Yeah. Man, you mentioned Chameleonaire, and it's hard to mention you what I can what I mentioned in Chamillionaires, just like it's hard to mention me what I mentioned and get oh boys,

you know a scarface of Bushwick, right? You know you guys are synonymous, you know, like and y'all joined at the hip. Ye. At what point did you and Chameleonaire decide that you wanted to pursue a career in hip hop. I remember being a young age, you know, I know him since I was about six years old, five years old, uh, And I remember maybe even as far back as that, you know, just being on the school bus freestyling, you know, being at the lunch table, everybody rapping. Everybody freestyle and

it wasn't something that that I did. It was something that everybody did. So if you know, as it's going around the table, you know it's coming to you, so you better, you know, be prepared. And I always had a knack for it. Comina always had a knack for it. And I think that's what kind of let it we shine. Every time we would freestyle do something, we shine, and it just, you know, the doors opened up for us. And I don't mean like industry wise or record label

wise or something like that. I just mean just just the doors opened up for us to show us that this could be a career path if we if we put our hard into it, and we put our you know, hard work at it. Like I said, all of these characterists, we put all that into it, this could be a career path. And that's when you know I brought into the well shit, I could do whatever I want to I can achieve whatever I want to in life. And he started looking around and say, well, it ain't. Nobody

been from my neighborhood had been a professional rapper. But then you look at it too, like, okay, man, hip hop still as a genre art form and still relatively

young even in them days. I remember, you know, watching MTV or other whatever, and they would just treat hip hop like it was a step child or the music industry like, oh, that's a cool, little fat job guy going on there, but it's gonna be out of here in five years, like you know, you know, as the styles of hip hop change, you know, you'll see some people that will be like, man, I can't wait till this era hip hop's over, you know, because of whatever

they don't like. Maybe they don't like, you know, how the beats are or the subject matter or whatever. But it will be people to, man, I can't wait till this era hip hop is over. They go to that. That's kind of seemed how it was like for the other genres of music. They were like, man, I can't I can't wait till this fad of music hip hop is over and we can get back to rock and

everything whatever else. They were into. But I never you know, I always saw beyond that, like, no, this is uh, this is not gonna be Maybe maybe it's temporary for man mainstream stay, but now a hip hop is not going anywhere just because it was none the people that that had a love for it. It wasn't just you know, a casual you just listen to some musics, you like. It was a passion where when you listen to something hip hop wise, you are proud of it and you

feel an obligation to put other people onto it. Man, really, did you heard this new song? I got right? Man, look look at it. You know, not my own person, but you heard this song I heard just on this mixtape, this verse somebody did you know freestyle? Man? You gotta hear that boy went off? You know, you just feel obligated to put other people onto dope music. And I don't know, I always I never thought I would have a career as an artist, but I always thought I

was gonna be on the team. Yeah, so that I was like, man, you know, my dream at the time was to be a DJ, you know, because personally I didn't like the mainstream music out here. I like the you know, the deep cuts on the album or the B sides. Oh you know. I would listen to an album and now I have my favorite song, Man, this song jamming, and then it'd be the song you hear on the radio or you see on TV, and it'd

be like, it wouldn't be the same song. The song you see on TV and the radio is not the song that I would be like, man, why are they not playing this this song jamming? So as a DJ, I could control what I play. I would just play what I want to hear, whatever I want to hear, That's what I'm gonna play. So I would, you know, whatever I'm normally listening to in my car whatever, that's what I would play what I'm DJ and it wouldn't be necessarily the same things it is on the radio.

But that was just that passion of just loving, you know, hip hopping. That was my dream, dream goal was to be a DJ. And even beyond that was like, okay, what else can I do? I love promotions, passing out flyers, doing marketing things like that. So it was something that was that was that was my entrance into the hip hop industry. The rap industry was doing street promotions, passing out flyers the scrubs. It even before that. This is when I started doing this. It was for I first

first started off. Actually it was for Switch Out of fourteen, and they used to do parties. Michael Watson run see smooth Gee. They would do parties at the All Star. This place called the All Star. It was like a sports complex, like batting cages and stuff like that arcade and they throw parties. Though. It's right by my neighborhood, so they throw parties there on like Friday nights, like high school parties. So I would go to the parties, but they would never pass out flyers at my school.

At school I went to was Jersey Village. I would always know about it. My god sister went to Eisenhower, so we see the flyers at Eisenhower and I'd be like, man, I'd go up to Michael Watson run see man, Hey, how come you ain't got no flyers going around these other schools. And they'd be like, well, we don't know nobody in the schools. A pap man let me pass out the flyers. And it was like all right, you know,

don't pass them out, go ahead. And then it got to the point where I would make my own flyers for the events. And it was just high school, so it wasn't like, you know, like it wasn't like a you know, Draking concert and I'm making them own. Hey, Drake comes, I'm making my flyer for it. This is just some high school party type stuff. So I'll make my own flyers. Go to Kinko's, get him pressed up, pass him out of my school or whatever other schools

I'd go to. Uh, we had to track NICs, basketball games, whatever. I passed out the fliers. And then when Friday night would come around, you see people from my school or the schools I went to there and they'd be like, oh, it's working, the fliers are working. And actually, at that time, I went to school with ug I mean, I'm sorry. I went to church with og run See, with his uh, his mom, his stepdad, his sisters, me, and his cousin

with best friends. He gave me. Even one gave me the nickname Powall, so they you know, that was kind of my boy Brandy Sykes, my boy b Sykes and fact we worked at we were working at James Cone Island at the time, and I would just be in a freestyle and rapping, and he just would I would say, Man, I'm gonna call you Powa. You know a Houston thing. Everybody every name rhyme. You know, Kiki, Poyo, screw Zoo, he got, you know, so he's like, man, I'm gonna

get your nickname Powa. I think he might have knew somebody that he like went to school who actually had the name Paul Wall and he was like, Nah, your name pot now you Powall. So I used to hate it because at the time I had a rap name. You know what I'm saying. My rap name was a kpe Crusader, Overflow, Overflow the kpe Crusader. So Pola got a little nice, a little ring to it, but Overflow the kpe Crusade was like, Man, that's the name I'm

trying to push. And then we'd be at the parties and ron C would be like, hey, b Sykes in there, what's your boy name? Go church? My MoMA Powall in here, and I'd be like, man, don't say Pawa man, because people to go to my school they don't know mis paw even as Paul Slayton. So you're you're getting shout out man, he said, Paula, he ain't say you. You ain't pop man. I'd be like, oh man, shit, don't don't say po Man, ain't know me. It's some mill man.

They say the Kate Crusay overflow man. Hell no, ain't saying that. Pall in here and I'm like, oh man, everywhere I go be Sykes, Hey, this my boy po Man. Quit telling people that's my name. And then I go somewhere without them they powa, what's up? And then be like a true nickname man, one of the ones you don't like to stick with you and everybody called but it's stuck. But I just I don't know, man. I saw a career path in hip hop as a DJ, doing street promotions, marketing, and it was just I just

loved hip hop. I want to be a part of some type of way, and when they let me pass out the flyers, that took me to another level where I would then go to the college parties and they'd be like, because at the high school parties, the record labels would come, they'd have representatives there. They would be like, because it's a straight high school environment, they'd be you know, want to they want to tap into the high school

environment to to promote whatever artists. If Willie D got an album coming out, okay, it'd be Rapple out in the house promoting it. Willie D got an album coming out, So I would see people from record labels, they're doing promotions and I would just hey, man, how can I get down with you? My boy five four, my boy Ace, my boy Lump, and they would, you know, Lump and as they would handled like the big big accounts like Universal Deaf Jam, no limit, you know, cash money and

real priority. So this is anything. This hip hop was coming through them. And of course if you do marketing, you're always looking for a good flyer, passler outer, you know what I'm saying. I was the guy. Now I gotta ask you this. I gotta ask you this, and this is this is very relative to anybody who's ever passed out flyers. Have you ever dumped the box of fliers? Man? Never I would do. I would do this with my homeboy and he would dump the flyers and I'd be like, bro,

there's somebody gonna find it. Man, they're gonna come it's gonna come back on us. And he'd be like, man, they ain't gonna find out, they're gonna know. And he dumped like a whole boxing and leave like a little stack and just passed them out like he's still doing it, but now not me because I don't know. I just I was always talking about my mama that God's always watching.

Guys always watching, so you can you know, you might get scam somebody or get over on your parents to teach you, but gods always watching, and then that KRM are gonna come back. So I would always just want to do right, not because I'm being seen and I'm doing right, but because it's the right thing to do. So I felt like I really bought into that really, like, man if I do good, it's gonna come back. If

bad happens to me, that's all right. You gotta you know, Grinn and Bared fight through it, keep a positive attitude, and the reverse is gonna happen. Good it's gonna start to come come to you. You know. You know, some people, especially this day in the day, I see a lot of people who like match energy, like are you gonna be a whole? Fucking I'm gonna be a whole too. But I mean I've always felt like there's more power

in just maintaining a level head. You know, if if you keeping even killed, you know, a demeanor about yourself, because if all it takes to set you off is just some random person to come up to you and say a few words and then they set you off and you didn't shot somebody or stab or kill somebody or cut somebody, or or even if they just took your energy and all of a sudden you're having a horrible day because they said some words to you. It's like, man,

I feel like you're giving them all the power. I feel powerless. If that's all it takes, somebody got to come up and say some words to me, then I have no power over my energy. I'm giving the whole world power. The voice reloaded podcasts will keep right back after the support. Is there anything that somebody could say that could get under your skin enough, that could trigger you enough to make you want to cause them bodily on?

Definitely it's happening in the past, but you know, it's the situations you learn from and you just really try to you understand, especially today's day and age with everything in social media, based, cloud based, you captured on video troll, you know, type of thing. So I'm prepared for it now. And you know, if you keep like I say, if

you keep a cool, calm demeanor. I'm not saying, let somebody just cold come up and disrespect you and just completely disrespect you, and you know, or let somebody just handle you. But I mean, you know, if it says a lot more about a person, if if they talk crazy to you and you just don't care, I'm bothered by it. You know, then whether they say something to you and you just all ready to fight whatever. And

then I got a lot of friends like that. Like a lot of my friends, they never left the neighborhood, never left, never went to the other side of the town. You know. I grew up on the north side, So a lot of people I grew up with the only time they ever went to the south side was to go to Asterworld. You know what I'm saying. That's it Aster World. Anything else, Nope, they're not going same same likewise. You know, my boy Goo, he grew up in South Park.

When I met him, he would not go past the Galeria. I remember. I remember one time my car got flooded out on two eighty eight Homes Road and I needed to ride back to ACA's home, and he was like, I'll tell you to the galleria, but you got to find away from there because they ain't going past the Gallerria. I'm south side of a life and not even like come on, man, we got to get past this man. But it's just you know, it's just high so to uh, you know, any of this type of stuff was something

that you know, you keep an open mind about. You just try to keep up, you know, like I said, be even killed about it. Try not to let people get under your skin on certain things. And you know, and and you live and you learn. Man, you know that south side north side thing I'd be hearing about. I didn't even know we were supposed to not like each other. Yeah, I didn't even know, Like I mean, like I found out like years later I'm talking about like I was like, damn, we've been hating each other

for five years now. I didn't even know. I didn't know, like because I've never I've never looked at the south side of Houston like it was a different world, Like it was different, like the people on the south side with different people, right, I looked at the south stiwn of course we have some subtle differences amongst us, or some people might say some some some hard differences. But we all acetown. I look at it Ashtown like it's Acetown.

So when I moved around and I move around with these within these city limits, this is my city, you know what I'm saying. So I don't think of any part of Houston that's off limits to me. I don't think of any part of Texas that's said the United States, you know what I'm saying. I just feel that way. But especially you know, the city that I laid my head in, I never got I never got on that North Side, south side bullshit that you know, East West,

I don't, Yeah, I never I always started with city. Yeah, I think it was. I think it's like dividing conqueror scare tactics of just trying to they're different than you, so you're not supposed to like them. They live over there, We live here, so we're not supposed to like them. And then you know, it get to be, well, we're gonna go take their girls. They gonna you know, they

trying to take our girl. We're gonna go take their girl, you know, And then they goes from that to man, I used to have some people I knew that we still cars on the north side. They front the north side. They were still cars, but they were still cars on the north they front the north side. Was still cars

on the north side. And then you find a car banning somewhere with everything taking off of it, and they spray paint south Side on it, or vice versas they go to the south side steal a car and spray paint north Side on it. But they from the south side, and they do it just to make you think it was somebody else, and even know it's somebody from right around the corners. But people that that behave that way

to me, they think small. Right. There are artists not just in Houston but around this country who are singularly, singularly focused on being hot in the neighborhood. They don't even care about what's going on outside of their block, their neighborhood. They just want to be the top dog in their neighborhood. They want to be the top dog in the city. They only think city citywide. That's it like. And my thoughts is like, okay, well, what's the highest plateau, Like,

what's the apex? That's what I'm gonna like who is the competition? I never I looked at everybody, you know what I'm saying, not to Houston, Texas, not the South everybody. So when people started talking that, even when people started talking that South stuff, you know the South this, and you know the East Coast this, and what's trying to put the South in the box? Like na partner, like Andre, we got something to say, Yeah, yeah, we got something to say. You you say you took the name Paul

Wall and ran with it. There's a lot of artists today who have started started to use their actual government names. Do you ever have any regret that you didn't use your government name like slavena slave dope? You know, like yeah, not really say you know, nah, I mean it wasn't There was my stepdad, last name, and my biological father. You know. I didn't really feel a connection to him, and I hadn't seen him since I was like four or five years old. He was a drug addict, he

addicted to hero when. He was not somebody that I would aspire to be or like that I would look up to. And he's still alive, I think he is, but he's not somebody I ever want to to see he was a child molester man when actually when the last time my parents got divorced and I would see him on the weekends, So you supposed, you know, your parents get divorced to see him like maybe every other weekend,

once a month something like that. Well that would be like that would turn into like once every six months, and then that would turn into okay, maybe once or twice a year. And then I remember at some point, it's probably when I was see where it was I had. I was probably in kindergarten, the first grade, right around it was before I wasn't second grade, And I'm just

basing this off of the school I was at. But I you know, he went't kidnapped, the girl married her, He quote unquote married her, but she was like twelve years old, uh, and then took it to Canada, and I didn't seen him since that's the last time I've seen him. So it's one of the things where shid, I don't want to have nothing to do with him, so the ain't no way I'm gonna claim his name

or none of it. And then when that happened too, his whole family, like any of his relatives, you know, they from my perspective, they turned it back on it. It was just me and my sister and my mama and my grandparents who lived and my grandparents live in Austin, but it was just me and my sister and my mama. You know, they turned that back on y'all because they were in denial or they were they didn't like the

fact that you guys wanted to hold him accountable. Or was it just the fact that he turned his back so they turned that back. I think a little bit of all of the above. He was kind of like the black sheep with the family or his family, so they already kind of didn't fool with them too much. And then you know, and that's why, you know, it's something that you grow older. You as a kid, I mean, I was how I blamed all of them, man, all

of them. Man, they left us hanging. But as you get older, you know, it's like nuances when you know, people to get divorced, and it's it's tough sometimes when the family want to reach out but they can or whatever these type of things. But you know, my mama is one of them. Mama's just like the sweetest, nicest

people you would ever meet on earth. You know, just people like that sometimes you meet and she's one of them where she literally wouldn't hurt a fly, like if there was an aunt's crawling on it, she wouldn't kill them because she think they got spirits and she don't want to kill her at creature. You know, she one of them type of people. So she I'll tell you, she one of them people where it's like, Okay, if you get into it with her, it ain't hurt. It

ain't on her. You know what I'm saying. She one of them type of people. So it's like, Okay, I don't know, but so I don't know. I don't know how much of that they knew or whatever. All I know is we had bills that needed to be paid. My mom's a single parent. She as a teacher. You know, she was a teacher for thirty years. Teachers we all know they don't get paid. So it was she would be kind of looking for help, and you know, my biological father wouldn't provide it, you know, his family wouldn't

provide it. Then later on, come to find it. I just found this out like maybe twenty seventeen. I asked my mom just because you know, it's something, you know, I personally just move on from, like I trying to think about it harp on even as a kid. You know, it's all right, I'm not gonna let this define who I am. I'm gonna go out and be somebody with my life. You know, I'm not gonna think about this every day. If I do think about it, it's gonna

be the fuel me. But not on some I'm gonna prove them wrong type of thing, you know, nothing like that, just on something. I was a very firm believer in that God had a plan for me and that everything that happens in my life is just an ingredient to go into the recipe of whatever the plan is. So you take one of them small ingredients out and it just don't taste the same. You know, you add too much of an ingredient, it's also not gonna taste the same.

So I just was like, Okay, hey God, I'm gonna follow this path you pointed direction, and I'm gonna follow. I'm not gonna ask questions. So that's that's how it was. But for for you know, like I said, I never had any intention of using his name, But like I said, oh yeah, I guess I just found this out recently, and it's like, damn, I don't know how to feel about this. You know, we grew up. We didn't have no money, you know, like I say, we had more than something. We had a lot less than a lot

of others. You know what I'm saying. But it ain't the uh. You know, I'm not trying to get into the poor Olympics, like, oh I had it worse than all this. Deep I was silver medal in the poor olymp No, no, no, no, So I'm not gonna complain none of that. Whatever I had, I'm grateful that I had,

you know, even if it was small. But then I find out later on in life my biological grandfather or great grandfather was some type of oil tycoon, was like man supermoti mean, like almost big there, And I'm like, man, what And we grew up like this? Where was y'all a like man and like? And then that's when I really started feeling like, I don't know, he starts to seep in like almost anger of like, damn, man, y'all really left for us hanging like that. Man, y'all really

left us out there like that. But then I see I think of a sense of gratitude of growing up to what I did because I've seen people who had it all and how they turned out. Like I said, when the jump, they weren't happy. Most of the time, they weren't happy, or if it was it was you know, fleeting where they happy for the moment, and then right

after that they stretched out and miserable, you know. And I think about all the things that I do have, even though compared to what I could have had, you know, what I did have wasn't much. I'm still so grateful for the things I had, and it had a tremendous impact on me being grateful now, like grateful for what I have now. But when my mom married my stepfather, that's when they started to get a little bit better.

We got two incomes, you know, we uh, you know, we went from you know, lower to the middle class, and you know, then to lower and lower middle class and it's okay, just middle class and okay, we're kind of coming up here, you're making some money, and it was okay. That's when you really get to be appreciative and you see the journey, the hard work, or where we are to where we're you know, how far we've

come to where we want to go. And it's just it's one of those things, you know, and your kid, you think stuff fall out the sky in your lap. You should think people rich and oh he rich, Oh let me ask some money, and now I'm rich too, And it don't work like that. You gotta put in years and years and years of training of hard work for whatever you want to do, and you put out

the energy that you want to get back. And if you put out the energy or you want to quick come up or you want to get over on people, then somebody're gonna have a quick come up and they're gonna get over on you. If you put out there that you want to you know, you're willing to put in the hard work, take the time to really learn whatever trade you're trying to do. For me, it was hip hop or whatever, you know, whatever else I had going on. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna do right

by people. And if some bad happened by circumstance, dance or accident, man, I'm just gonna. I'm gonna eat the bullet just so that we can have peace and we can get prosy. Somebody trying to get old on it's different. But if you know, it's if something happened and it's nobody's filed or you know, we're gonna make it work. I'm a I'm a I've always tried to be a problem solver, you know, whatever the situation might be. But

now that last name, I don't know. Power always Uh that's something too, that's like, man, maybe he should I change my name the power. That's some I'm gonna change my name too, like change my biological name. I had to change it once when my mom waa remarried. I'm gonna change it again. I thought about it here and there, but I don't know. I got changed kids. Yeah, changed

kid's name all that. Yeah, go to voice. Reloaded podcasts will keep right back after the point apparently you uh well, I would say obviously that you can't be responsible for the actions that you're parent take, right, But do anybody ever try to like label you because of the actions of your dad. Did he ever try to like throw that in your face and say, oh, your dad this

or you probably this or whatever. Whatever. Definitely, man, just from the first time I ever mentioned it, and you know, it's not something that I just go around just telling people. But as you get older, you realize there are other people who experienced similar childhood or they something something you know, where it's somewhat similar, and they also are shamed of it. Now I grow my whole life are saying to my

biological father to things he did. These are horrible things that you know, you hear about this, Like, man, that's where I came from. You think, is that who I'm gonna be? You know? So I've my whole life making sure, Man, I am never gonna do that. You know, the type of things he did, you know, but definitely, like I said, the first time I spoke out about it, you know, from there as people all kind of you know, kind of me, all kind of name like I decent, I

ain't doing it, did it? I'm exposing him for doing it? You know, what were you talking about? But you know, again, I think those are some of it. Is like you know, the scare tactics people have of trying to get people to shut up and not talk about stuff, because if you just don't talk about it, then you don't realize it goes on, you know, And if you don't realize, it goes on, and it can keep going on right under your nose. And but you know, I feel also a sense of like a shame from him doing it,

but also just because of the age I was. I was so young at the time, like, damn, like is this something I a matter of fact, the the girl my father, my biological father, kidnapbum when we would go see him on the weekends, she was twelve years old. She'd be over there. You know, I'm five years old, so she twelve. To me, that's a grown up, you know. You you see a twelve year old with a wig on to make up, dressed like a grown up, that's

a grown up. You're not a question. She had a you know, full grown wig makeup, dressed like a grown person. He's like, yeah, this's my new girlfriend whatever. And I'm We're just like okay, you know, I don't I'm not known as a child, you know, a kid. But you I feel like, damn, man, how could I've not known? What should I say? You know, well, who I'm gonna tell? You know, Hey, mam and daddy got a new girlfriend. You know, like even then, like my mom wouldn't have known,

Oh you got a girlfriend? He a grown man? You know why wouldn't he have a girlfriend, But you're not thinking it's a child. But even you know, I think for me to this particular girl, man, when they ended up, they went to Canada and they got caught or something happened. They got caught, they came back to America. When they came back to America, this girl killed herself. So it's like, man, this shit is to me, I feel like, damn. You know, you think like, okay, any change of action might have

changed the whole course of her life. So if she you never know, even as a fire ye old, what am I supposed to say? What am I going to say? But damn you I feel like a sense of guilt of damn, I should have known because you know, as a as a growing up. Now you see a twelve year old in a wig, Man, that's a twelveyear old. Ain't that sets a grown up? That sets a grown up? Put that on you, bro? Yeah, I know that. But

you know it's that's that's that's so viraltle. More so you know what I'm saying, like, damn man, this is and then it being that it was my actual biological father. But it's that's why it's said that sense a shame of man, I nil will take on his name. Man, you can't put that on yourself, and likewise, nobody else can put that on you. And for all you uncivilized much out there, they count trying all you uncivilized much out there we ever tried to pain something like that

that man's uh, you know, father's actions on him. You know, every last one of y'all going to hell in a

hand basket, see a lot of times. Man. This is why I think it's important to be very very careful of the information that you put out there, because the uncivilized much of world will take that information and they'll try to use it against you, you know, like even when you're trying to help somebody, even you see, what you did was very honorable if you put that information out that because there's other people that are living that that life, that has the similar experiences, and they need

to know that it's people like you can come from the absolute worst of humankind and they can turn out like you. You know, because I don't know anybody that don't like Paula. I'm coming. Sure you got your enemies, but I'm saying and just general general conversations or whatever, I've never heard somebody say anything bad about pa Wa. Yeah, I've overheard people say bad shit about me more often.

You know, so so so so you you're a good dude, bro, and you know you should absolutely not feeling any type of shame when somebody's trying to put that something like that on you. That's another way of blaming the victim, because you are also victimized by having to live with that burden of having a father, you know, who is a child molested. You know, this guy's it's one of the worst, right, So you also a victim, and for

somebody to not realize that shows you how uncivilized they are. Yeah, it said that, you know this happened, and you know, so, like I said, my whole life, I've always been on a path of I'm not gonna do that. So whatever he did, it made him do that? Was it? Drugs? Was it? He was alcoholic? Was it? Because he was molested? He was molested also by a pastor when he was young, which probably started the path of him to do that

because a lot of times the victims, yeah, exactly. You know, although you know it's that's also a touchy subject because then people who have been molested, instantly get pointed as is there the molester. You're gonna do it too because

you were molested, and it's that's completely unfair. But you know, miss Parker, I got a chance to, you know, a long time ago, work with Miss Parker passing predator and when she approached me to help her do some one time, I was like, hey, yeah, I'd love to do something with this, Like just because of my background, I always wanted to be an advocate for children or especially hurt children of children who are victims of predators, stuff like that.

So Ever since she came to me, I think that might have been like two thousand and twelve, two thousand and eleven, some time around then. Man, I've been Man, we do stuff all the time, when she do stuff all the time anyway, But I'm doing stuff with her all the time, just being an advocate. But even then, you know you will see something and every nine and something else say oh yeah, yeah, you know, Paul, you know you'll your child molester just like his daddy. Like, man, god, damn,

what you mean I'm gonna be advocating for kids. We should, man, we should talking about But to me, I think that just be the you know, the ignorance some people have, but you know, you gotta fight through that too. If you really want to be an advocate for children and people, you got to realize that there are people, sometimes extremely powerful, people like you know, the Epsteins of the world or whatever, who have money, power, reach authority that they can silence

you if they want to. So if some rapper want to, you know, speak out against something, it ain't too many cars they gotta make to shut me up, you know what I'm saying, if they wanted to for whatever it is. You know, if I'm I'm smoking weed in my studio and oh, they'll let you make it because I'm not

hurting nobody. It's just weed, all right, Well you pissed them on a person off, they're gonna push that button and he's smoking weed, Go get his ass right now, you know, for whatever petty thing that they might let slide, or you know they following you watching. I gotta you know, expire registration on my car. They waiting for me to put out because they know okay and and slot I know he got a pistol on them. Okay, expire registration.

We're gonna get the pistel. He might have something you might smell like weeds, and then we're gonna this and that. You know, Okay, boom, now you just whatever just to A lot of times it don't even be to you know and I and you know a lot of times

it don't even be to seeing you to jail. A lot of times it be to hurt your image, to destroy your image of oh he was called with guns and weed and this even though the gun is registered to me, you know, you know what I'm saying, even or whatever whatever it may be, it's just for the headline of to destroy somebody's character, you know what I'm saying. And they are definitely powerful people out there who who aren't afraid or shamed or you know, they get a

kick out of doing that to people. But you know, at the end of the day, if the purposes to speak up for children who don't have an advocate, don't have somebody speaking up for them, then you know, in the grand screaming scheming thing, what's worse somebody talking about me, you know, on the internet in a comment, or somebody actually getting hurt and molested and whatever as a child victim. So you know, somebody talking saying some words that are

typed out. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying on a screen that you scroll the past. You know it can those words can hurt sometimes if you feed into it, it can definitely ruin your day

or really fuck you up. But at the end of the day, when you weighing it too on the scale, which one is, you know, got a heavy or wait, you know what I'm saying the words on the internet or the actual child's being hurt And I'm not a fool or think that, oh, just because I say something that's gonna oh, you know, I spoke up against you know,

child victims. That's the end of all child trafficking. No, I know that it ain't, you know, but you gotta like look past the people that you got to see past the people that will try to tell you down, bring you down, and you gotta really think about what you're doing it for. To your point, what you do is when those uncivilized much rear their head, you just said, oh, I see what teach on, I see what that is.

That's how you gotta do it. Just be like, oh, you're trying to give me off my squad that's all that is. They uncivilized much. They ain't gonna be shit. The daddy won't ship, right right, His daddy won't ship, and mama won't ship. The grandparents won't ship. They ain't gonna be ship. Their children ain't gonna be shit. Ain't gotta have that kind of mentality. Man, I know that, ain't you, But that's for me. That's me. I'm trying to I'm trying to challenge some will it Yeah yeah, yeah,

like that's that's my mentality. I like, like I see it. I see when these uncivilized much are speaking out against my name and they don't even know me, they don't have doing them nothing about me, and but they see them shining, so they ain't talking about you if you're not shining. So they see me shining. They got to put my name in ain't off, you know? So I get it. I see what they're doing. And you know, I see you in traffic. You know what I'm saying.

But I'm not gonna stop my life to go deal with y'all all that, man, because I see that's what you want. So I'm gonna give you everything that you ain't looking for. You did what I'm saying, man, back in the early tooth thousands, you Chamellionaire, Mike Jones, slim, y'all yelling it. I mean, y'all, y'all all, y'all just took off. And I thought it was like, you know, we had like a h town revolution going on in hip hop, and we was just gonna take this thing

to the next level, next let level. And I was almost like, you know, after you know, two three years of it, breaks just everything came to a screeching heart. What happened? Man? I think about that a lot in thinking, Okay, did we make why is this sort? Why is decisions? Why choices and how we handle certain things? Or could we have took different routes on things. I correlate a lot of it to you know, uh, just sports activities. Like right now, Lamar Jackson, you know he talking about

he want to be traded from the Ravens. Okay, you think about you know, where we're at today, but five years from now, looking back, we're gonna be able to look back and say, oh, well, if he would have did this, or he did could have did this, or that was a good decision he made because he got traded to this team and they went on to win the Super Bowl. Whatever, you know, whatever, you you look back at the decision. But you know, you look at

those sports decisions. You know, you look at somebody who's a marquee player like that and former MVP. You know what I'm saying, Like, okay, and he's so young too. Should he take less money for you know, a deal just so that he could be on a team and they can use that money in other places? Or if he does that, is a team just gonna say thank you in pocket the money or are they gonna really use it to you know, allocate that money to go get him, you know, a lineman or receiver or whatever

he might need. You know, if he goes all out and gets every dollar he's worth, you know what I'm saying, Are they gonna give it to him fifty five men, sexty me and whatever it might be. Whatever they're going rate for a quarterback is not you know what I'm saying. Is he gonna get that, you know, because he's worth it and he got it, but not a handicapped the bill need to go get other players and pay other people.

You know what is the perfect recipe? I look at the same way with us with the hip hop we all knew our value. The one thing I can say is we were all on the same accord even without talking to like we didn't ever sit down and have a roundtable discussion. Ay, this is what we're gonna do when we go go to the labels or when when we're renegotiating our contract. This is what we're gonna do.

This our strategy of stay. We never did none of that, but just coming from the same background, the same come up, we all seen it clear as day. You know, what our value was, what we were capable of, where we came from. This just coming from the underground, the independent game. I think it's different than when a lot of artists get signed to a major label and that's their first

record deals with a major label. A lot of times artists like that they seem to be kind of major for life, and when they're not major, they're no longer an artist. But the independent artists, you know, they and their artist for life. You know, my favorite artists that were independent are still putting music out, you know, and that was the career path I wanted. This was something I love, so I want to put out you know I'm trying to be Wally Nelson. Really, I'm trying to

be Wally Nelson. I'm Paul Wally Nelson. I'm gonna be eighty years old on tour, you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna be putting new music out whatever and yeah, selling grill. Hey. I wanted to run down a quick checklist of names that I think of often when I think of you. These are names that I associate with you, and I want you to tell me what your your current relationship is like with each of these individuals. Let's start with Chameleonaire, my boy. We grew up together, had

the same dreams, same goals. We came up together, and then we went out several ways and we had me in his solo success. We were able to put our differences to the side, come back together, appreciate the brotherhood we had as children, Appreciate the success we achieved as young men. Where we had today is that's that's my boy. I'm happy for him, proud of them. Anytime I see his name, see him anywhere, I'm you know, rooting for him, just like as if you know jose A two hit

the home run, so you know, what I'm saying. He's somebody I joke with all the time about coming out of retirement, although he always remind me he not retired. I always, you know, I kind of uh, you know, be joking with him, like, man, I might have to sacrifice myself to the rap guards and dish you or something I'm gonna put out of I'm gonna discommed and just to wire him up to come out of retirement, like you know what I'm saying. Like you know, I

don't know. I'm not no battle rap or nothing like that. And if I went against anybody, especially if I went against Commune, probably just started me. But I'll be just laughing like man, I'm like, I'm ana discommed, just to just to bring him out of retirement. You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna sack con fights myself, you know for Texas Himp hop, man, come on, come in, come back. But now that that's my boy man, and uh shit, Man, I know he's getting his money.

But I always be like, Okay, one day, one day you meet him, gonna put out another album. Man, We're gonna put out another album. Talking about rooting for Chamillionaire. I remember when he won that Grammy for roding Dirty Dirty right. Uh? Black Cat Clyde Yeah called me and he was like, he said, yeah, man, you know chamillion want chamillion that want that Grammy? Yuh? And I said, yeah, we wont you dig? So I feel you when you talk about wanting to see him win. I feel that.

Let's let's quickly go through some other names. Dash ge dash another somebody who you know, we got a long history with. I don't see him too often anymore, just because I'm not signed to him as a as an artist. So when I when you signed him as a artist, youre talking about all the time, you know. But I see him at events or whether it be like you know, the rodeo or somebody's birthday or one of my events will come out to or switch the house event I'll

go to. But he's just somebody you know when uh, you know, I get long winded too, man, you know I talked for hour body every one of these people. But I know that's why quickly quickly, yeah, but he's somebody who Man, when I you know, men comin or when I separate ways. I didn't have a record deal on the table for any label in the world that everybody was like, yeah, you was cool with comed there. Let me know when y'all get back together, you solo artists,

good luck to you. You know, that's kind of how it would be. He's you know, t Ferris say, hey, man, I talked to Dash and Watch. They got a contract for you if you want it, Man, yeah, I want to. I don't know. It's the only offer I got periods, I don't. I don't got no other options. Is this or I had to get run, you know? So then shout out to ge dash Man, Michael five thousand, Watch, Michael five thousand. Watch. I met him when I was fourteen asking our fliers and he gave me that shot.

Was like, all right, I was that annoying kid that used to bug him and call him and He's just like, yeah, man, come on. He took me on his wing and man showed me so much. Man. He he allowed me to, you know, showcase my talent on his platform and switch the house tapes another one. Man, boy, I love him for life, man, every everybody your neighbor, man, I loved him for life. Johnny Dash, Johnny Day before Johnny Man, Boy,

I never thought. You know, when you're a child, you see things you want, Like if there's a car you want, you see a Lamborghini, Johnny Dan, Yeah, and it might be Johnny new nickname, Johnny Dash, that might be that might be a new rap name. But imagine you see like a Lamborghini, You're like, well, I always want to have a Lamborghini. You never would think that, you you know,

have a Lamborghini store. You know what I'm saying. And that's how it is with Johnny, Like I always want to Jerry, but I never thought I would be a part of something like so Majors. Is that, you know, just just even being friends with Johnny, you know, not even being business partners or doing jury together any of that, just being friends with him, and he's such an icon for the city. Man and I think we have a similar energy of where we want to have. We want to be happy, We want to be in a good

move when we see other people, Hey, what's up? Man? You been what's up? You know so that when you see other people who bring out of you and me and Johnny Man, he we got that. Uh. We hustled in tandem. Man, We we When I met Johnny he had a you know here he still got that accident. But when I met him boar his English, it was difficult.

He needed close captions for real. And that's where we where we really messed because, like I said, I always had an affinity for immigrants, just because my mother and my grandfather or my grandparents, they lived all around the world, you know, so growing up my grandparents, their friends were

all immigrants or of other races. There was never white people coming in and out of any of these homes that I was in, So you know, whether it's just other Americans or you know, immigrants in general, there were other you know, I always had affinity, I love for people from elsewhere, like you know, like you from where, what's it like there? What do you eat there? What's your how do they talk there? How do you saying

this there? You know, whatever it is. So you know, when you meet Johnny, you know, like the same with my neighborhood was mixed race. A lot of you know where I lived over there, there's a lot of immigrants that would come to Houston and this is where they would make their home in our neighborhood, so you would I would see people from all different walks of life from around the world. So seeing Johnny, I wouldn't get hung up or frustrated because I can't understand what he

was saying. I looked at it as a challenge. What you're saying, I'm gonna figure this out. And then, you know, I'd go into the shop and he's arguing with somebody, and they arguing because they can't understand each other, and he's speaking English but barely, somebody else speaking English but barely, and I'd be there just like, no, no, no, no, this is what he's saying. No, no, this is what he's saying, and just just translating English to English, you know.

And we end up being good friends and business partners too. But the friendship I think is above all else. Even with our business relationship, the money, it's not based on money at all. It's you know, our relationship is you know, based off of success, success of the business. What do we got to do to make the business be a success? Not a success this year, this season? But how can we pass this on to our kids? How can it

be generational? How can we make an impact in our community, whether it's our immediate community outside the store, the community where we grew up, came from community where we live now, the community where our customers are, fans are, all of that is our community. So how can we dig up our community? How can we uplift our community, give back all these things? It's that's something that man. You know, I've been truly blessed to have a friend in the

partner like Johnny Dane. Because you see a lot of other jewelers, you know, it's not always like that. Usually it's about them and there they're individ, usual family. You see a lot of other rappers. It's the same. It's not about you know, building things. It's about how much can I get for me and both of us together? It really is. It's been dope, Crystal, your wife and my wife. That's that's number one. That's number one on

the list. Man. She changed my life. Man, when I met her, it was instant falling in love, man, love one of them love at first sight things where you see her which I first met her on TSU campus at the time. No, she had a boyfriend, and uh, you know, and I didn't think nothing of it. She didn't think of it. You know, we wouldn't know, hollering type of things. Some of you bump into on TSU campus and then next thing you know, they broke up.

You know, year, a couple of years go by, I'm passing out fliers for a club play downtown me and my boy Goo used to do on Thursday nights, college night. We had club Rhythms. I was on my rides, trying to come up as a rapper. She's on her rides, also trying to come up as a singer at that time in the singing group. She's out there trying to sell us CDs. I'm trying to sell my CDs my friends, trying to hilight her friends, and well they ain't trying to buy the CDs, they're just trying to hil at them.

And I'm just like, man, y'all gotta looking broke, man, buy a ten dollars CDs man at least, so we ain't gonna be looking broke. So I buy CD from him. The CD end up being scratched, uh, and you know, so then you know, I ended up giving her a flyer. Also, once you come to our spot on Thursday. So she

came Thursday to our club. You know, Rhythms was like, I don't know, Sunday night, Monday night and we've seen it a Thursday at the club and I'm like, man, you know the CD sold me was scratch Then I was DJing at the time, real heavy, so I would do, you know, screwed and chop mixtapes. I would DJ clubs whatever I dj, you know, on community radio stations here and there as a guest DJ, anything DJ related, I

was out there doing. So, you know, when I got the CD from him, my vision was all right, I'm gonna screwing chopped this for and give it to it. And you know, this is my romantic way of you know what I'm saying, like I'm gonna take you. I'm gonna take y'all y'all CD and I'm gonna screw and chopp before you and yeah, and then I'm gonna get you know this. Then I'm gonna get me, and you're gonna be a couple. You know. Now we're gonna be dating.

But the CD was scratched. So when she came to the club Thursday, it was like, man, you know that CD you gave me was scratched. And you know it's of all the times I've seen her, from the first time I seen her tears you when I've seen her rhythms. When I seen her at club play and she walked past me, it was one of them things where an energy did you know if if you know Obama was to walk in the room right now, we feel it, Like, man, what does that feel? I feel somebody but whoever years

back on Trump it could be. And I don't mean it's in a good job. I don't mean that. I don't mean in a good well. I just mean, like the energy is there. You're like, man, like, who is this behind it? Like? What is what's going on? You know? Shit, Yeah, it's a It ain't too many presidents, It's not too many of them that maybe he shouldn't be slabber. This is quite a deserve it slapp Ain't that gonna like

me talking about Obama and Trump? Boy, well they Obama and Trump, they got some of the most strongest supporters ever, bro, Like, you can't tell them they never did anything wrong. But I tell you what, man, Paul wall Man, it's been beautiful and sitting down with you, man, you know, we could talk for hours and you know, obviously you know we're gonna we gotta do this again. I gotta come back for five. You know what I'm saying. The door is always open for you. Man. We appreciate you, We

appreciate your contribution to hip hop and to society at large. Man, Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Wall, No more Talk. This episode was produced by A King and brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast Network and our Heart Radio