The Maurice Williams aka Hefe Wine-O Episode

Don't get it twisted on code and me and dancing for no buttament biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scarface out. Collectively, we are to get old boys reloaded with another episode of inflammation and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world in the studio wine old what's up king? How you feel man? Man, I'm blessed good. It's good to see you. Man, it's good to see you and you're still looking young and healthy. Yeah it's possible, man.

What's the secret? Man? Which what are you doing? And I eat clean, eat clean? Man? I don't I don't eat nothing that's not organic, you know, no GMOs and my system and uh, you know, I don't get high. I've never been high ever in my life. I've never drank nothing ever. As crazy as I was in the streets, you thought I was on everything. But you know that's our people. That's what people thought about me when I

was in high school. Once I got out, I remember a few years later, I ran into this guy at a party and he said, man, I used to think he was on drugs and stuff. Man, because used to fight so much. Oh man, speaking of fighting. My first I view you was at the gulches. I've seen you whoop two dudes outside of the gulches. Yeah, I was. I was pretty active. I said, Man, this dude got some hands, not me. I didn't. I didn't go into

the clubs to uh until I started doing music. But back then, I'll just be in a parking lot, you know, barr and stuff. You know, that was my profession back then. Man, you had a very interesting life, very uh exploratory. I mean, let's let's go back, man, let's let's let's let's go to the beginning. You grew up in Houston on the North Side. You grew up in a family of seven siblings.

You're the youngest. What was that like, man? The thing, man, the thing I kept hearing from my from everybody, my mama. The only person ain't really hear from his my daddy, is you're bad like you You're a bad kid. So I was fighting everybody in the family. When they told you when you were bad, did you feel like you had to live up to that reputation of being bad? No, I just I was a different soul. My mama said, I popped out of old man or something. You know.

I taught myself how to ride a bike at three years old. I've been fighting a long time, just like you identified with fighters. You know, after we get through the physical part of it, we realized we don't know how to fight through the elements, things that hold us down. But I fought everything. Man. My mama said that six months old, I was kicked out of a daycare and out of here. You get kicked out of a man. Everybody my family held to it, and my my brothers

and sisters. They went to the daycare after school was out, and my mama came there and they said, look, ma'am, we can't we can't have y'all here this This little kid is damaging the other kids. They were using people. Man, how does a six month old kids get kicked out of a daycare? You can't even walk? I mean, what are you? What are you doing? That's all I knew was fighting. You were scratching on the kids, punched kids.

You know, my god daughter works at a nursery, right, and she works for a little bitty kids and some little girl, like I think she said a little girl was like maybe three three year old girl better on the leg the other day and she had to take it. I'm sure I did someboding too. Yeah, But what I realized Willie, to a lot of kids that are labeled it's bad or you know, promisterous and all that other stuff, there really is something in them just trying to get out.

They're trying to figure out who they are, and some kids try to figure that out early. You know. That's why my life in the street he started a lot more earlier than most people, you know, way earlier. I remember, at twelve years old, sitting at the table eating dinner with the family, and I told everybody that I was gonna move out and I'll never forget my older sister like spit like laughing at me. And they didn't even know. I've already started saving. I was already plotting to get

out of the house at twelve. Where are you getting savings from? At twelve years old? Well, I was hustling, hustling, Uh, stealing a little candy balls, selling them the twenty five cents. I went from that to uh, stealing bikes, repainting them and selling them. Always, I never really spent money when you when you were stealing these bikes and painting them? Where are you storing these bikes at the house? And your mom is not like asking questions? That's the crazy part.

My daddy would tell her. Look, he called a genie, Look Jennie, a boy, and they're doing something. My mama always I don't know, he ain't that's his friends or what she was always cover from her. She was blind to my my bad. You feel what I'm saying, and uh, I probably would have changed earlier. But my my mother was an educated woman. My dad had never been to school. He grew up in Georgia. He had to work the farm. He was born in the late twenties. And that's why

you're old soul. Your daddy was old man? Was he was still about that life? What was he was? He like a mobile guy with me? Was he at? My dad was super active like my mama used to make jokes saying he never died like my dad had, moved around like he was twenty five. Even when I my last memories of him, he was moving around like me when we was doing stuff. He was never stiff, none of that. So he I don't know what kind of gene that is. My wife said, I got the same gene.

But we'll see as I get older. But but what I wanted to say is, man, my daddy, you know the old school ways. When we would act up, he would handle us. But the way he handled us used to scare my mama like so she was like, no, I don't want you whipping him no more. My daddy said, okay, when they get locked up, he named everything that happened to me and my brother when they get locked up. When he gets shot, don't come to me. I'm not he said, I'm not using my money to bell him

out of jail. And don't come crying to me. He said, I know my bloodline. He said, you after excuse my language, you have to have killes niggas to get him in line. And my mama stopped my daddy from from discipline in us. Shoot, my brother went crazy, so y'all once y'all new that she had basically, uh, put up the green the red light. Man, it was a wrap. It was a green light for y'all.

It was all systems go, y'all smashed the gas. My brother was trapping out my mama's house out the window like he was doing everything, and I was into cause. But that that happened a little later. But did your dad stick these guns that he never tried to discipline y'all after that statement one time, one time he called me grown man stole. I was trying. I had some stuff I had to go out of town and go get and my mama was was doing her thing, trying

to keep me at the house. She was talking to me, and my dad was in the backyard playing and flowers for and Uh, I started talking crazy to my mama. That was the first time I did it in front of him. You know, I had my own money, had my own stuff on costs. I'm like man's It was all in my head at the time. Dumb teenager, and I think I said a cuss word or something. I didn't cuss, I'd though, but I said a cuss word. And before I can even turn my old man was

probably ten ft maybe fifteen feet away from it. I said the word in front of my mama and split second he was on his feet. What was the word? What did I tell her? I was so crazy back then? I got to think about it. I think I told I said, uh, I said, my ain't gonna you ain't going to treat me like a bit or something like that. I think I told her that I was talking crazy like that, and my old man got up and hit me with a right lifted my feet off the ground.

I landed on my back. I never forget that, busting my nose and my lip. He stood over me. He said, look, nobody talked to my wife like that. And did your mother defend you? Did she try to get him off you? Now he just hit me one time. You know, old man had a reserve about him. They don't make him like him no more. I think you know what I'm talking about. Like when men used to be used to be the strength of the household. You know, my dad was built like that. He was hard as they come.

He talked about walking his sister home from school and seeing people hanging from trees and stuff and Georgia co quit Georgia away from little tiny town in Georgia. And he was a Blue s guitars too though, and he put that down to work construction to put my mama through college. So is that where you picked up the music front? You know, you know what's crazy? Really? I ain't know. I had no musical abilities until I ended up being homeless. And how did that? How does a

hustler become homeless? Oh? Man, well, it's it's it's I'm I'm gonna eighteen at the time, right when you were homeless. Yeah yeah, and this is after getting money. He was a born hustler, yea, So how does that happen? Man? I'm a backtrack my brother them, you know, they got into the robbery game. I was young, and uh, he came in one night and dump money on the bed. And uh, when I saw that, and I've seen how my mama then was struggling, I said, I gotta get

to this real money, you know. And I always viewed myself my brother was smart, but I felt I was smarter. He was smarter in the books, but I was smarter than strategies. So uh, I started requiring different aspects. I didn't like selling drugs. I did it one time. I sold probably one rock uh off Kentucky and Bruster right there in phil Ward and the police chasers, and I said, nah, it's too slow and too too you know, predictable. So I started going to the junkyard teaching myself how to

steal cars. And I would go to these little these little hull cap spots, you know. He used to have him the hook spots and asking them, you know, if I brought him this, what they would pay men? And I kept going around doing that. So I found I hit a hard lick in Port of Texas, and it was a guy who was selling his parts back to General Motors and he needed he needed some real stuff. So long story short, at the age of fourteen, I had a warehouse and Humble Texas, but I was busting

cars down selling them back to him. I was making roughly from fourteen and seventeen years old, thousand dollars a day, and and what are you doing with this money? And I just stacked it? Okay, everybody called me a mister. To this day, they say you don't spend no money. When I got into music business, it was a joke going around up top. They just called me a black jew and I didn't understand what they meant by it

until I started. You know, they were saying, because I don't spend the money or whatever, I don't go out and buy jury and all that other stuff. But so let me fast forward through that. You know, you're in the streets, you're doing a bunch of crazy stuff. First time in the club, the police brought me the club. The Gucci is at that same blood Bucket, and it was because they saw me about to steal the car and they got me before I was still in the car, a tempted burglary, but I was. I mean, well, I

wanted to go this. My story is so intense. I'm just gonna take my time and just tell you like this from fourteen and seventeen. Man, you're doing all that dirt and the street. At some point, calm and gonna come and get you. My mom she did so many things bro to try to keep me in my brother out of trouble. Like I said, she was educated, so she moved out of the Ward and moved to cynic Wood, moved out of synic Wood and moved to Humble. When we moved Humble, it was probably five six other black

families in the neighborhood was in it. Other than that, it was just you know, pretty much number of white boards or whatever. So I learned, like, I hung out with white boars and learned how to ride four wheelers. They were cool with me. One day out there, I'm out the field with him. We hit this pop and when we heard it, I felt like somebody hit me with a brick. But my boom, I went like that and I was gonna start swinging on one of the white boys. And they're like, hey, look at your head.

And it was blood coming near my temple. So man, I ran to the house. Uh. My mom took me to the hospital and they removed a bullet. Who was a white man see me playing with a little white kids, and he shot me. My mama shot you from where? Like where was he It was a distance, he was at another house. He was in his own house. He was I don't know if he had a scope or not. The boys, the white boys, I've seen beans over the fence.

They pointed. You know what I'm saying, I ran to the house because all this blood coming out of my head, so the bullet didn't go through my skull and just cut the skin and they had to like pull it out. And for those who don't know, humblesh just north of Houston. Um, it's like basically a suburb of Houston. But you can't tell people who lived there that. You know, the people who have been living that forever, they think it's a

real city. But go ahead, and my mom called the shares over there, man, and you know, my little white boy friends. They went to the house, showing the sheriffs his house, all this dif my mom come. I came, and my mama didn't let me get out. She let me stay in our car, and my mama told me this story. She said she went in the house and the little white boys I did him as the one

that shot me. She went in this house and she's seen all this army rememory of deal you and as the sheriffs we questioned and he was like, oh, you know, I was just taking some pot shots at my gate. I don't know how I got, you know, like he was target practice. In his backyard with a right really, So the sheriffs turned to my mama and asked her that you want to press charges? And my mama noticed it was a tattoo on for the shares fingers. My mama was, you know, my mama from Fifth War a period,

so you know. And she noticed both shares had the same mark on their hand as the dude who shot men, and she decided not to press charges because of fear of her safety. For us, you know what I'm saying, That ain't even a fucking question. Do you want to press charges? You got a mother who just shot somebody, and your job as a so called peace officers to keep the pieces to go in and make their rest, eliminate the threat from the citizens of the community that

you serve. Whoever those cops were. Let me go on the record and say your mama should be embarrassing your dad and should have pulled out. Go ahead. So that was my first experience, which is, you know, how did you get shot? That's what I'm going to go and hold hold them before you answer that, I need to get back to the bag. I don't want to go too far away from the bag. How did you blow the bag and end up homeless. Well, let me get

through that. Because you are, because you're you're, you're You're how old at this time when you got shot the first time? The first time? I was well, I was probably about twelve when I got shot. Ye damn, I was wrong. Okay, that's now, that's the shot by the white man. We're gonna get into the getting shot by the brother. Did you get shot? What came first the second shooting? Are the blowing the bag? What came first the second shooting? Okay, okay, let's talk about let's talk

about it all right. I had this, Uh see, I'm a I'm an inventor. I'm gonna thinker man. I always think of head, always try to play, strategize things of that nature. And I wanted I wanted to get more calls, to make more money. So I had got this this clep throw out of Kingwood. There was a white boy. He's still for the front of it. Daddy was adoptor all this other stuff. But he was the only one who could steal in broad daylight. Never got caught broad

daylight going to these cars. People are walking right by him. He popping these cars. We had to go at night. Oh, it had to be parked in a garage or somewhere, you know. So the guy was such a clepto man. He ended up stealing his neighbor. This is how start. He end up stealing his neighbor's motorcycle. Next door neighbor. Ain't talking about two three dollars down next door neighbor and painting. So the neighbor he ain't never been in

trouble before. So the neighbor call the cops. They take him down, scanned and he ratched my whole thing out. I ain't had nothing to do with the motorcycle, and I had that in the back of my mind. I'm like, you know, I figured I needed the to move my little waitrehouse or something at some point. So anyway, that's when they started. They had a warehouse. And how old

were you at this time? I got at fourteen, And I gotta ask this question because somebody's out that thinking it kind of hell does a fourteen year old get the credentials to rent a warehouse? At that time? Crackheads, I had a lot of stuff because the crack is okay, apartments all kind of you can do a lot of stuff. You don't you just use somebody older. I told you all this, guys, and interesting story, this journey, it's rather colorful.

It's colorful. Brother. And uh So in between that time they watched them and they investigating me, I had a number job. You probably ain't heard that terminology in years, you know, the number job. He was right at a number job and it was clean boy, clean regal, and I just I had this new girlfriend. I wanted to stunt on him. So, man, I had it cleaned up. And I usually don't do my number jobs like that. I hold, I sell it and somebody else by it or whatever. But I wanted to stunt this one. And

uh and they were already and following me. They already was like clagging up on me, and man, they pulled me over. When they pulled me over, that's when I they took me down and I found found out that the dude snitched me. All that stuff they went and just got everything. In between that time, you know, I got out. I was out on Born and um I went to uh. I had one of my homebuys picked me up and I went to this this club off of Kirk and doll in nineteen six. It was a

teenage club called Kocomo's. I don't over you remember that? Remember that? But that was the only club you could go to and and run into everybody like Mexicans, white boys, the black dudes, the whole nine. So my partner took me over there. I'm looking for this girl, the same one I was. I was trying to stunt on, but she the type. She ain't faithful like that, so I knew it. I knew she was kind of wild. But

so I went looking for into the club. The club was closed, so we went down the street to this little stop and go. Everybody using to hang out over there, but usually it's a huge crowd. This time the crowd split. Nah this nineteen six and kirgandhal, you don't get that gangster over there, Like you know, we used to slap dudes and pull them out their call over there. So I'm like, we pull up right in the middle of it. I looked to the left. There's some dude holding the

chrome pisa, pacing talking real loud. I'm like, that's reckless. I looked to the right and I one of my partners from the hood was over there, so I walked over to him. I said, man, what's going on? He said, Man, these dudes want to fight over some broad and I've seen him. Was leaning on his car. He had a pump shotgun behind his leg, excuse me, And I know him he will use it, so I already knew his gonna be all the way live. So I asked him,

did he see this girl? Her name was Keisha? Ironically, and uh, I'm heading back to the car because I know, I know this dude is real. While so I'm heading back to the car and I'm about to get in the car, and he said something to me, and I said, huh, I don't even remember what he said. And when I went back this way to get in the car, home bark with that chrome pistol can run right over the car. Bah bust men's face. The bullet knocked me off my feet,

will him yea, I'll never forget this, bro. You know, people people say theatrical stuff when they talk about life and death, but the only way to describe it is the way you know it. When I I fell on my back, man, and yeah, I knew I got hit, but I didn't know I got hit. It's like my mind was going in reverse, like trying to catch up to what actually happened. And I staggered to my feet, man, and I heard a voice say, walking to that stopping go And I remember stagging to the stopping go. Now,

everybody busting. Now, you know what you do when you're busting, You get down low you I'm walking straight up right in the middle all of this, and I'm stagging to this dough man out. Another bullet touched me. There were so many bullets rang out that night. There was some apartments across the street of bullets went. An apartment hit somebody in the stomach. I remember grabbing the door with my left hand, man and I couldn't see my left eye.

But when I opened that door up due that the counter was like this because blood was just spewing from the door all the way to the counter. And mentally it was slowly catching up and how serious what was going on? Like I didn't see people get shot, you know what I'm saying. And I remember staggering on my I mean getting on my knees. Man took my shirt off and I wrapped my whole face up and left my mouth out because blood was just pouring out my mouth.

The bullet went through my cheek and shot at my cheekbone, broke my nose and came out between my eye and all this was open. And that was the first time I ever ever prayed. And I remember I remember telling God, I said, don't let me die this time, because prior to then, you know, I got shot. But before that, a dude put a technoline in my head and the jam because he thought I stole his girlfriend. When he's hot heads. Man, you know I got any check real quick.

He said, you ask God, don't let me die this time. When you told God, don't let me die this time, that implies that you died before the way you said that. Well, so on what day did you die before? Did you die before? Like you know, hey, man, you know you know your life. Man, you know I wouldn't be surprised it was that. It was that day I left and came back. But prior to then, out have been and shootouts.

One of my partners, after twenty some years in prison, he get out, I'll bring some young dudes to the hood to the ward to meet him. He still start telling the story. I don't even know what the story is, and I was in the story. He said don't you remember you were running, you dive over the car and you were shooting two pistols. I'm like, really's so crazy, man, to think of think how wild I used to be, where my mind was. Girl Boys reloaded podcast will be

right back after the break. Talk about blowing the bag? How did you blow this bag? Bow become homeless? So boom, It's all wrapped up in this. So I'm I'm dying at this point. I'm in the stopping go man, and I'm getting very, very tired. I'm afraid. But at the same time, I'm trying to calm myself down because I know what happens when you bleed out. People coming in there. Man, I'm hearing girls crying, people falling on my blood. I was bleeding so much. The pants I had on was

dry riding bro. When the ambulance got there, they said they couldn't transport me. They had to call life flood. In between that time, our flat line once or twice. In between that time, either once or twice, and when I got into the when they picked me up in the helicopter. When I woke up in the hospital, doctors and they gave me some understanding. They was talking about it. I shouldn't be living based on the amount of blood

I lost. So fast forward to that. Nah, police just took all of what I had right now in that warehouse. I had a little stash from my bag, but it was in the back under some stuff. When I got out, when I went back by there, all of that stuff was scraped out of that like they search everything, like

the parts and all this other stuff. And I had this like this piece of I want to say still like to see a land on some dirt on some ground on on the ground in the very back of the wouse because it was dirt, it was real ragling, it was dirty. Wasn't a ceement floor. It was a dirt floor with a little tin around it. And I knew that they didn't they got my money. Now. When I got out, the hospital paused for a minute, and I was wondering, Man, you still here, You still here?

You know you get that consciousness, so well, maybe I need to try something different. But I got out there and people started calling me brad name scar facing all this stuff and being young and still it kind of

went to my head. But I um, I lost myself for a moment and I ended up doing worse than I was before to try to get back up to where I was this month's after coming out to hospital, I wouldn't even fully heal fast forward past that, end up getting locked up facing fifteen years in prison for what that was once that was locked up for another auto theft charge. That was another auto the charge, fifteen years for all that. They must they must have been trying to tie you to a string of uh typic

conspiracy or something. It was grand theft and it was trying to get me for masterminding crimes. Right, So so you end up homeless and where are you? Where are you actually sleeping? At fourth ward? It was a place called the Riot Center right off of Tab Street. I think it was right off the Tab Street if you come out off of Alan Parkway, go down Tab. It was. It was a homeless shelter, but a lot of teenagers, runaway teenagers would go there from River Oaks, you know,

little kids on drugs and stuff like that. So I would go around there to eat. But the reason I was homeless because I refused to go back to my mama's house. You know, did you refuse to go because you felt like you couldn't bide by her rules and your father's rules, or you didn't want to go because you felt that you would be rejected. No, it wasn't that my mama was mad at the whole whole situation that I did that, But it's because I didn't. I didn't want her to take care of me. Plus my

brother was doing too many things over there. I didn't want to get into it with him and end up back in jail. So, and you know, they called the jail house religion. So I called God out on everything the Bible said. So, I said, you know, you're supposed to provide for me. You supposed to show me what I'm supposed to be doing. All I know is the streets. I ain't never worked for nobody to this day, I

really never worked for nobody. And what I would do just off the whim, I would wrap about my problems just and I would wrap the guard about my problems and my depression and all that other stuff. This is why you lock that. No, this is at the this is home for homeless, and um he's you know. Fourth War Mexicans used to come around and be like, man, your voice you sound chopped and screwed. You sound screwed, and I just kept wrapping to one day Kevin Bads

from the Houston Astros. I don't even know who he was, to be honest, this dude pulled up, I guess to give money to drop off some clothes or whatever the case. And he's seen, I guess, seen this one black dude out here with this the Spanish dudes out in front of the place. And he paused for a second and listen to me wrapping everything, and walk back into place and left. The lady they worked at the desk came

outside and said, hey, you know that dude. I said, no, he said that was She said, that's Kevin Bass from the Houston Astros. He just wrote you a thousand dollar check and click. I said, well, this is how I'm gonna make money rapping. And I wasn't good at it WILLI. I wasn't good like y'all. But I I took that thousand dollars and I started getting those Kmart tapes, you know, the ones with all that ad in it, and up. I would go to this church I was going to at the time and clean it up at night and

used a p A system to record. I ain't had no beats, and I was selling those tapes for two dollars. I remember the dude in the hood and say, man, you expect meet the body that ain't no beat o this. I was shoving it down people throat until I could like flip that and flip that. I started meeting producers. They were whacked producers. So I was still spitting on the wag Beach recording and I just kept doing my thing.

Ti uh. You know, I started getting on this new one and this is that's ninety six, that's ninety that's in between ninety four. Okay, So but you put your first, my first album, right, and you have seventeen albums to date to date, are you still making money off those albums? Yeah, they're still making a little money. Yeah. Do you do you own most of them? Don't on all of them? Yeah? Okay, yeah. I said I gave you credit for at least on it most of them, because I know you've always been independent.

We'll see. Even even the first label I signed to, I produced. I put all that stuff together and we were supposed to do a P and D deal, and the dude triggered me, you know, nice little Christian brother, Hey, I'm your Christian brother, you know, put me when I when I went to a lawyer and let the lawyers see the contract and said, man, that's the most demanded countract I've ever seen. It was horrible, dude, flat out live and he has never paid me to this day

that album. So you're trying to say that Christian did this. Absolutely a man of God. Absolutely, that's preprosperous. And I don't believe it, man, I don't believe it. Yeah, so he got old man, so so cold man God. So he got you. And so how do you restore your fan? How do you end up not being jaded to get to a point to where you wanted to continue? Well, I realized that the contract he set up, it was

an artist contract. It wasn't even what he said. I didn't I didn't know nothing about no contracts and no lawyers. Back then. I took a man, tried to take a man at his word. And if you're a Christian man, well maybe you honest, I was talking the street. You don't trust nobody, but when you come into Christian world, oh you can trust everybody. That up that ain't true willing, and he got me. So I literally called the dude up and I say, you know, either you pay me, oh,

I'm coming to see you flat out. When the dude was like, you know what if I let you off, just let you out of the contract. I still wanted my money, but I knew in order to get that money, I was going to put my hands on it, and I was willing to do that, but I didn't want to put I didn't want the trouble that came with, and already had a family by then. So I came up.

I said, you know what, I got a couple of songs that didn't used, and it's a whole lot of other little Christian artists that's trying to do what I'm doing. And what I was doing wasn't even really heard of, Like how you be talking about the streets and and God. The only thing that wouldn't in mine is I wasn't cussing, and I would talk about God and what I used

to do. So I got a whole bunch of other little dudes and we put a compilation together and it was calling Thugs Fly, which is what you name your movie exactly, Yeah, tell us about the movie. Well, actually it's a documentary. And my wife been asking me to do. For a while, I've been avoiding it. You know, I'm not even now Willie as cool as we are because the cameras on me and we're just sitting there talking

about my past. It's a it's a struggle because of of the stuff that happened to me, you know, how they drugged me, through the media and all other stuff that took place. So but my wife was like, your story is too intense, and usually when I started telling the story, I'm all over the place, I'm sporadic with it. She knew how to put it together where he calms out the way it needs to come out. What's the most interesting thing? And that film that you think that

people will find compelling about you? Um, fact, like, I'm not I'm not like anybody else. I'm not like any other rapper. I'm not like any other dude from the streets. But what makes you not like those guys? Because you know, people say, well, I'm not like that, I'm not like that. Like, tell us why you're not like that? You know, how how is it that you're not like these other guys? My perspective, man, how I look at life? Uh? I was telling somebody the other day. I've never wore Pat

Jordan's in my life. You know. One dude told me I did the Cardinal Hood's in And the reason I never him because because everybody wanted him. I've never followed the crowd, never was interested in the crowd. I don't even know what pure pressure is. I just wasn't built with that bone, you know. And um, I've almost gotten fights because jokers just wouldn't believe that I've never been high, or don't drink my own lawyers don't believe it. No,

which phraised me back to your name, Wine. How does a guy who's never been high, who has never been inegrated, name himself wine? Oh, and then make it work. Actually, a friend of mine who this dude named black Seed. Uh, he was getting into wrapping around the same time I was, and he thought it was interesting. I didn't have a rap name for a minute, and uh, he didn't have one.

So I named him black Seed. And he named me new Wine, he said, because new Wine in the Bible, it was a street name for the spirit of God. That's what they that that was when you get the word new wine. If you ever hear a new wine in the church, they're talking about the spirit of God. So it's stuck. And I went from New Wine as a rap artist to Wino as a producer. How do you get wine out of New Wine? I got the wine, but where people started just just just saying it w wanta.

So it just stuck. Man. So when I went from the Christian thing, I started doing the street music. I just went with Wino. So you started off with the Christian music and then you went into the street thing. Then you went back to the Christian thing with Evan the Holy Field, right, Well, no, I was. I left after Vana Field, after we hooked up. I was done Christian. Evan Evan the Holy Field part. This ship was your for a into Christian Yeah, I was. I was a

Christian hip hop artist at the time. The Boys reloged podcast. Will be right back after the break. Tell us about that relationship that you had with Evan the Holy Field and how it came to be Man, I ran into him. Uh, these kids that kept asking me to come to this little meeting they had, and when I showed up, everybody was there, like and this was like a little kid's apartment, like a regular apartment complex and sugar Land. It was

football player. Everybody was there, and uh, from that, they did this outdoor thing and that's and I performed at it, and Evander holy Field was right there and we shook hands. We were cool. And then I was in Atlanta and I umpt into him. He said, Man, I like your music. Man, I want to talk to you because he was thinking about starting a label and he wanted me to help him build a label. And that's how it started, all right, But how did it end? Uh? Man? Well, you know,

holy Field is a boxer. You know, boxes are stubborn. You're a boxing yourself, you know. And I'm a fighter too, so it's just stubborn. So and I guess like me and him used to argus so much like we'd be at the airport, argument everywhere, argu and people used to think he's gonna knock me out. But I ain't to type to kiss your button. I'm gonna tell you if it's wrong, you're wrong. So we get an arguments, so

many arguments. But he had hired these dudes that I knew with snakes and my money was mixed up in it, and he had them to run the label. Yeah. Oh, how they was coming in. I already knew there was from the bend him over period and me and he went back and forth. Because my money is tied up in this, I said, bro, so I had to sign off on on it. And in between me signing off on it, he said, Man, if this this goes bad, like you said, I'm a I'm a handle yo. End

of it. To me, I had a probably a hot m and in the bank he had a hundred fifty ms. So like, okay, that's my Christian brother. So man, look here the boys. What the boys did did to him was crazy. Man. They straight rather, they did more than what I thought that were gonna do. How many how many ms? You think holy Field lost in that deal altogether? He lost in the music business a little over ten million. Oh wow, grossly over what I thought it was. I

thought I heard the number like three four something. He got. He got got by two people, two sets of people. I want them on both, which is crazy. But so when that happened, he didn't fulfill his thing, and that's when we fell out. M hm, you know, oh y'all still cool? I mean, did y'all get back cool? I went to his uh the statue of revealing I'm really close to his family too, so we're cool. You know, at some point you just chalk it up, man, I don't I don't want to be at odds with any

of my brothers. Yeah, but but holy Field always came out as a good dude to me. But just on the business side, just get out business side, okay, you know, yeah, I got you. So in two thousand fourteen, you have a situation with your wife at the time, Iggy Azalia. Right, this is two thousand fourteen, right, Uh that you hit the headlines. You hit the headlines. Uh, I got to speak vague on it. You can say that. You can't say that. Man, So is there still a pending lawsuit,

litigation or something going on? It was all done away with. Why do you why do you have to be vague about it? Well, because, oh, because it's a it's still a gag. That's a gag. It's that's still in place. I mean, how real is over gag arders stuff? I mean, you know, you know, I mean you're like, hey, you know, I hear about these gag arters all the time and people break them all the time and nothing really happens. So you know, but yeah, you know, Okay, so you

and you tell me about that relationship. You know, all I know is what I what I'm read about it. Let me tell you about the girl I met that was from Australia, from my Australia. I met her through Uh. I met this girl through uh Mr Lee. Okay, producer, Mr Lee. It was my boy. Mr Lee was working on this this label. These people hired him, was bringing them into run the label and be the production in and he called me because you know, I'm a producer

as well. So I go over there and I see this tall woman in the in the you know, sitting up over there. She's just sitting by herself. I asked, Mr Lee, what's going on? You say, man, look here, this girl has been hounding me for five years on my Space. And Mr Lee was kind of standoff. It's your bottom. And I guess he could see what I couldn't see. I don't know what, you know what The reason was, to be honest. And so the people who owned the label, they took us all out to eat

and they brought her with him. You know, she was like a string alonge. And while we're there eating at this restaurant, people come banging pans and singing happy birthday. We're looking around. They were singing happy happy birthday to her. I guess her mother knew what she was. And you know, it was her birthday, and uh, everybody asked the old she was, and uh, she said she just turned eighteen. And Mr Lee looked at me like, I said, well,

let me, let me just see what's up. So I started talking to him man, and she wanted to be a superstar, wanted to be artists. And I said, you look like a model. You need to go that route. And she was like everybody keeps telling me, no, I want to be all you know, long story short, she she was down here, we hung out, got in a relationship. I understood her. I'm not I'm not speaking negative. I know I'm a weird dude. Really, I'm considered weird so I can relate to the weirdest people. And uh, I've

seen the talent in her. What do you find weird about it? Though? Her style? You know, shame where I'm from. You know, how she looked at life the whole nine It was just really intriguing to me. You know, for example, how she looked at life. You go dig baby, let me see let me see, uh, the opportunities. The way she looked at opportunities, it gave me another perspective because see the way we look at opportunities, we have to

look at the opportunity. We know we gotta go hard, but we know also we gotta jump through hoops, we gotta fight all stories. It's a whole lot of stuff we gotta deal with to get to through that journey. This person just had a free mind in it, like like she knew exactly that she could do this, and it was it was nothing in front of her. Now, I wouldn't you say that around me? Put it that way?

Not not not? Was that freedom because she was a Caucasian woman or was it because she just had supreme confidence? And I said, I think it was because of both. It was because of both. Well at least she was honest. Yeah, I mean when someonebody don't deal with what you deal with, it is what it is. So so, you know, things took off or whatever, and she started living with me. Next thing, you know, I moved to Atlanta to give

more work. You know, it was drying up around here and I was, you know, doing producing, So I moved to Atlanta. She moved with me, and I started like setting up with stuff like trying to get on reality shows and modeling agencies and all kinds of stuff. And it became a headache with it. You know, it became a headache. I'm used to a one man band. It was a two It was new. It was me and her, you feel what I'm saying. So I decided to send

her back, you know, to Australia. Where did the rumor come from where people were saying that she was seventeen years old when you married her. That was a plot that was applied to try to make me look bad, That's all it was. She definitely wasn't seventeen. Yeah, So how did you How did she get into the music? I thought that you brought it in and started working with her on the music. You're the first one who started working with her when it came to music, right developed.

So how did you feel like once you introduced her to the game and put her down and helped develop her style and all of that stuff, and then she got on and was like kick you to the curve like didn't want to. It was no problem, It was no it was no issue. They hit me up because somebody Jimmy Alvin was trying to sign it, and they hit me up and they say, hey, I think there's Wando's artists, so girl or whoever she is or whatever. So I told hm, I said, no problem. I ain't

tripping on the contract. Ain't tripping on none of that stuff because I had catalogs and the stuff I was here couldn't touch the catalog. So I was confident on my end. So I was like, if she went out

and hustled and did all that, that's cool. I'm gonna hold down with I put my work into and my hustle into so man as she blew, I had a situation come to me, a lucrative situation, so I started putting it together when they got when she got wind of it, next thing, you know, something filing federal court that I'm steal in music. Boom. That's how all of it, that's how everything started triggering everything. I didn't know about the marriage situation. You know, in Texas they got the

common law thing, so you know, you find out. You know, all somebody has to do is put your last name down on medical records, on mail, coming to your house, anything, and they can claim you as a spouse, and you literally have to fight that in court. So the way that the narrative was spun was that you're the one who was trying to say we're married. So and so initially she claimed you as her husband, and then once she got on she tried to distance herself as that

how I went, we'll see. No, what I think is her initial plan was to make that move. This is my opinion, was to make that move. M but other things took place. But it was already there. It was already in the system. You feel what I'm saying. And that's when it was discovered by my attorneys. But that situation was like that, so and but they made it look like, okay, well you you're trying to eat off this, you're trying to do this. It was never that, ain't

even in my character. So do you own the masters to this day those masses that you have of her, Well, we did some in a settlement. We already I relinquished them through a settlement. Okay, So you got a bag out of deer two. And they made me man, I learned so much about the media. I know, you know about the media. They can make you look how they want you to look period, and then they'll do that while you at court. So they turned the public opinion

and I already started like making you look bad. They already if you go to trial or jury, the jury has already been groomed to who you are, what they think you are, you're feeling. So that was a rough time for me because I've been in a lot of fights, but I ain't never been in a fight like that. That was a heavy one, you know. And when it started hitting home and and and and my kids started talking about it, that's when it really really really affected me.

So after all of that, that's why nobody really heard nothing from it. I just I just pulled back out of everything. But my wife steads saying, you you have to put your story out there. Yeah, it seems like that you got your winner this time around. Uh, she's definitely in your corner. Like I hear a lot of things that you know, you got work on together. Yeah, I really uh seemed like a real team. How did you guys meet? Oh? Man, Um, I met this guy

that wanted me to invest into a movie. And uh it was the Steak Say Steakhouse restaurant right off of San Felipe. And we walk in right and as soon as we walk in, this dude talking to me or whatever. And I see this tall, beautiful Columbian woman and I couldn't even hear this dude talking no more. Man. She really like caught me off guard. And uh so we got seated. She was a hostess there. We got seated and I asked the waiter, I said, man, who is

this girl? Man hull. The waiter was like, forget about her. We all shot our shots. Shoot everybody dout, you know, and for me, you know, it ain't my shot, so let me let me shoot mine. You know. So long story short, you know, I started talking to her, and uh, first thing I noticed she was different man, Like I'm I've never been a dude that that dad was attracted to something that just looks or match everything. I always wanted some authentics, something that I can say, yeah, this

is what I have, you know. And she was so different how she looked at life, family and I'm big on family. So and we just hit it off. Man and uh and you know these uh um you know what they say about Columbian women and and taking care of you and cooking. I wasn't used to that. What used to being taken care of that good? You feel

what I'm saying. So I actually used to think she was setting me up because I was I wasn't used to being treated so nice, you know, but it's so it was so calming and so natural for And how long have you all been together? About fourteen years? Ok? All right? Are you at liberty to tell the story that you told me about in them all which you're in the galleria and there was gentlemen in suits. Oh man,

let me see how I can say that. Ah, I can say my my father in laws is a well respected man, wise man, family man um and uh he uh, he's he sent some friends of his just to check me out to make sure I was who I was supposed to be being around his daughter. You know, he knew, you know, his daughter is a beautiful woman. You know, she's been a model ever since she was a kid. And he knows how men uh come up on him like that, so you know, and these dudes were a

real persuasive and you know, asking me these questions. They were nice and everything, but he did what I would do, put it that way. But now I can't I can't speak to too much on that. But you know I can't talk too much on that, you know what, And that's respected. I want. I want these youngsters out here out there to listen and learn because this is what this show is all about. Information and instructions. You see how he answered that question like he gave you something,

but he didn't give you anything. You did what I'm saying, like, that's the way you do it. You know, you you you know you have to you have to carry yourself. Man. All you have, you know, you carry yourself in a certain way. All you have is is is your balls and your word. At the end of the day, all this all of this material stuff to everybody tripping on that stuff come and go. At the end of the day,

all you have is your balls in your word. And in addition to that, you know, that's what shapes your character. And that's why I wanted to talk to you. Man. I really do appreciate you coming in and sharing your story and just that that's actually just a glimpse of your story. I mean, this guy, this guy's story. I mean, you could pretty much write about ten books on your life, and each one of those books and each page's chapter would be intriguing. So thank you for coming through. Man.

How can the people get in touch with you? You can hit me up at Twitter on Twitter Enzo Wineberg's E N Z O W E I N B E R g um you guys, and check out my uh my documentary call When Thugs Fly. It's on to be right now coming to Amazon and other outlets. And uh I have a book also dropping in the next couple of months called The Blood of Wine. M hm. That is fam I appreciate you once again, man, and and and and Like I said, man, it's really good to see man. Good to see you again. It's been a while.

It's been a while. Yeah, you're looking good at yourself. Man, I'm trying to keep it with your Try to bring me some mineral water, you know what I'm trying to at no more talk. This episode was produced by a King and brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio.