The Mark Normand Episode

Don't get it twisted on code and me dancing for no Buttoment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar facing the building. Collectively, we are the get old Boys. Reloaded, reloaded with another episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. I guess today, Mark Norman, man this right here. You know you talk a lot of ship. Yeah, hey, we're all gonna die one day. I as well say so. I talk saying, I talk

cash shit, I talk cash ship. I don't take cash Venmo only, but whatever you got, I'm just happy to be here. I can't believe the email I'm the first honkey in the studio, by the way, which is an honor. I'm the Jackie Robinson of you know this group Ghetto Boys. Man. You know you do not hesitate to talk about race. You talk about race. Black comics talk about race a lot of times. White comics they you hesitate to talk about race. Yeah, even when the joke is funny. White,

he's nervous a lot of guilt. I grew up in a black neighborhood. I went to public school. I don't know. I talked about gay black jewe women. That's all fun why. I think the more we tiptoe around it, the weirder it gets. I think you just gotta just treat everybody equally and be real. I love it. I love it, bro, that's that New Orleans spirit New Orleans, but moved to New York. Though. How did you get How did you

get New York out of New Orleans? You said he went up there to get um comedy, Yeah, because it was there's no comedy scene, no real comedy scene in New Orleans. Is funny. They got some funny we're talking about. If you want to break out your clubs industry, you gotta move if you want to break out. So you was in New York talking about Jewish people. Oh yeah, there's a lot of them there. You gotta gotta keep them in line. You know, they control the weather already.

Come on, might as well have a good time with them. They're doing great, and I'm uncircumcised, so terrible. We just started Louise. Oh man, this guy, say, man, that's a I believe that is a huge push for people to make New I mean New Orleans the cuisine capital. Yes here here I can't cook, but my mom is a big, fat cook and she makes a hell of a gumbo, jumbala, you name it, and you can't get it in New York. You get Ethiopian food, which I don't even know they

had food in Ethiopia. But you can get eat the open you can get whatever you want. You can't get creole. It's crazy. The sorry little little semen there in the throat. But yeah, yeah, I mean, uh, it's weird. It's weird. I missed the food so much. I gotta go back home to New Orleans just to get a nice, nice, good Cajun meal. You mentioned semen in the throat. You tell a lot of gay jokes man, do you have a gig? Gay guys approach you? And I heard you say that you're not gay, but you tell a lot

of gay jokes. I mean, do gay people Gay guys come up to you and then hey, what's up baby? My d m s are bananas. Just I'll do this to you if you ever cross over to our side, I'll drain your balls and whatever you want. And here's here's my dick. And I'm like, I feel like like a hot lady. M oh yeah, oh my god, I know it's pretty hot. That is not hot joking. I'm joking. It's horrifying. You get what women go through. You're like, damn, these men are aggressive. What the fuck? Yeah, it's pretty

wild man. When you when when did you first feel comfortable in your skin? Telling me, oh, I'm still uncomfortable. I have anxiety. I was a bedweather Uh you know, I'm always uncomfortable. That's where the jokes come from. Uncomfortable inn as fuels comedy. I think growing up my neighborhood, you had to you had to be funny or it was it was over, you know. So it all comes to my parents are weird, and you know, mental ship so yeah, bro, you're finding in a motherfucker. Broh, come on,

and then you don't you you, you don't. You don't give a fund. We're all gonna die one day, you know, We're on this little speck of dirt for maybe ninety years. You might as well live it up. You ever had somebody trying to fight you? Oh my god, I've been beat up many times. I got beat up on the way here at the fucking taco joint. But no, no, yeah, I'm talking about for your jokes man. Yeah, of course, of course Russian Like, what's I mean? What this what

you see is just not a man? An't like that? Man? Oh for sure, for sure. I've taken a few beatings. Not there. It was a Mexican guy. It was a little seem like you talk your way out of getting beat up. Yeah, yeah, you had to do it. I mean in publicly remember public school, it was vicious. Now you know what kind of school public school did you go to in New Orleans? Was that a lot of blacks? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

A lot of my neighborhood was a predominant black. I grew up in Tremay, which is right outside of the French Quarter. You literally have alligator skin, yes, yeah, exactly around a bunch of black people. Yeah, and this is this is nineties, you know, this is like hey, I'm gonna take your bike, and hey we we were the white family in the neighborhoods. Everybody thought we were loaded, but we we were broke too. We were just white. So people would break in and go, what then is

this ship? This? There's nothing here? You got nothing here man? Yes, I walked in on a few robberies. There was some gun points stuff, so would break into your house and take your stuff or try to take your steff You ever go get it beat No? No, I mean I was young. I was like seven, eight, nine, ten years old. And eventually two guys broke in with guns and tied everybody up, and so we moved after that, but it got pretty it got pretty hairy. But we didn't have

any good ships. So they'd take an old TV or a shitty VCR and then they'd like dig through all your ship looking for drugs. You know, but you know, it was it was fun. It was fun. It wasn't fun, but uh, I was a bedweather. I think it was because I was dealing with trauma. Damn. So you grew up and you went to us predominantly white school, you grew up predominantly black school, predominantly black school. Yeah, it was a black girl. I've had a few, and they're

very intimidating. Yeah, I don't think girlfriend. But we just you know, a little roll in the hay. And you know, of course you're terrified about the I've seen porn. You know, I want to measure up. So so so what's it like now? Like? What's dating like for you? Now? Now? I got a nice lady. We're engaged. We live in New York together, trying to grow up. You know, I'm in my late thirties here. So she's a crazy Irish whore. I mean, just a real ball busting brassy lady, huge

from New York, Boston. That's even worth Oh yeah, you know those chicks are tough, real tough. Great gal likes comedy, funny, you know, good times. She gets it. She's cool. How does she feel when you call these type of names? Oh, she knows first of all. In the bedroom, nothing gets her going more than me calling her come on, come on. She loves it. She loves the insults that the choking you name it in love, you know, Bill, that's true. That's true. You gotta have a safe word. You have

a quick sad Yeah, yeah, exactly. Ours is Obama. So why did you pick Obama? Well, you know, it's fun. Anytime you see Obama, something good is happening. You know, I feel like Obama is a nice guy. He started a podcast, did yeah, no ship, that's where we're at in life. You gotta get him on here. You know, we can hear that ring, that that that bag. There's no way you can hear it. This Willie Willie. This guy is incorrigible. Man. Oh yeah, and I'm hungry. He

lives life. He does what he wants. You didn't bring pizza. Oh yeah, go ahead, you show you want this fluorescent electric yellow this thing that hurt my eyes. Man, you're like a crossing guard over here. Mark. Yes. What is the the difference between the biggest, the glaring difference between living in New York and New Orleans? Well, I think New York it's insanely expensive, it is huge. It's not

as scary as New Orleans. Because in New York, we talked about this, there's people everywhere, so you can I always feel safe even if something goes down, somebody'll see it, maybe they'll record it, maybe they'll tell a cop. But in New Orleans it was lawless. You can drink outside. I'd get into a cab when I was a kid. The cab drive had a beer between his legs, Like, where are you going? Everything's lucy goosey in New Orleans, and I grew up with that. Then you get to

New York and it's a little more rigid. So yeah, and you got no space, you're living in the shoe box, you're paying out the ass on rent. But it's still the best city in the world. I mean every culture is there. Uh just the the city's electric. Everybody moves there. We got comedy, we got music, we got Broadway Puerto Ricans.

It's great, but it's kind of dangerous in New York these days now, Like I've been covering stories about New York and like we're talking like people trying to kidnap people and raping people in broad daylight in the middle on the sidewalk. Totally, totally this is happening. We got a subway slashers back now as a guy just cutting

people on the subway. Everyone's on edge. COVID fucked everything up because all the rich people left because they were scared, and all the they went to Connecticut and all that ship. But then the crazy people said, hey, there's nobody on the street for a year now, we were on the streets, and so now we're coming back and they're here. So it's a clash of the rich honky and then the fucking uh scary homeless and they're like, hey, this is our city now, and we're like, well, we gotta go

to work, psycho. So then just snip snip the old foreskin man. Do you worry about cancel culture catching up to you all the time, but you know you can't, you can't live like they just gotta be you. I guess I can't hide it. And I'm a good human. I have good intentions. So I hope that rings through, you know. I hope people can see that I'm just working around. It's all just worse, so we can see I'm just sucking around. It's all just words. Thank you.

When they come out, when they come after you, well, at some point, and this is not me, we should bead. Hopefully they never we hopefully, but if they did, if they do, how do you stand up. I think you just ignore or you go, oh me, what are you gonna do? Like, I think if you start apologizing and giving in, then they're like, we got one, Yeah, let's keep keep the claws in him. So I think you

just look at Charles Barkley and says crazy ship. He's like, hey, bring it on, you got a problem with me, let's go. So I think that's yeah. But but but but he's not like a great example because he he says what he says within the confines of what the executives at the tells him. That allows him to do you know, you know, because he's not tourious for throwing black people under the bus, but he never calls out you know,

police officers and and other stuff like that. So you know that that guy at you know, oh, he's not You guys aren't a fan. I'm not interested. But I like champions, Donald Trump, you like winners. We don't like people has been captured. Well, well, well it's not just about that, you know. I like I like people with

winning character. You know, it's more about character. You know, if you really want to understand a person, like if you really want to understand someone, well with all of this stuff that we that we go through in the in this country, right, you have to look at like when you start talking about people that that mean their own people no good. All you gotta do is look

at it. If your criticism of your community out where your contribution there, you go, that's him what No, I just no, I see what you're saying, though, I get you. I want to read something. A couple of tweets that I saw on your Twitter, right, I try to keep it joking. I try to keep it funny. On Twitter, you said, I'm glad it's the Delta variant because if it was the Spirit variant, it'd be an additional fee for the vaccine. You wasn't You wasn't concerned about saying that.

You just said it. I mean, no ill will towards anyone. Just a joke, that joke about airlines, you know, Delta variant and we've all flown Spirit. They rape you on the baggage and on the water and the pretzels. So the joke is, hey, if it was a Spirit variant, you have to pay for something. That's what makes it so funny, because Spirit text they have they nickeling damn at you bro, don't do it. It's ever. At some point,

Spirit is going to start charging for oxygen. Hey, if you want to breathee exactly know, they reel you in because you're looking online like damn this tickets twenty eight dollars to go to fucking Denver. Hey, that's pretty good. And then before you know it, Oh, you want a seat, you want a bag, you want to water, Yeah, you want an overhead. You're you're gonna just pay fifty dollars for that. Now you're up to four fifty. It's like a girl goes, hey, I'll blow you. And then you're like, ship,

I got claim idia. You don't know what I'm talking about. He said chlamydia six times this year. It's curable. Ship. There's another one. Al, I can't wait for the first black billionaire to go to space because the rocket is gonna be huge. Although he might get pulled over, come on, that's comedy gold funny. I'm saying a big dick joke. So I got a big joke in there, and you know the police brutality in there. It's now now now with you've put the state to put this sting in

the historical context. Right when you look at the relationship, the tumultuous relationship motorous between black people and police, specifically white police officers. Yes, how do you, as a white man tell that joke? And well, even first of all, think of that joke and say, fuck it, I'm gonna go forward. I didn't even think that was that offensive because I'm I'm saying the police are fucked up. So I'm on your side there in the joke. No, no, I hear it. But like the police brutality is always

sensitive topics. It's a very sensitive topic for black people because I mean, hell, I mean we're on the shot the end of the stick with it. So I get it. I get I'm a comedy connoisseur. I love comedy. So it's a hell of a joke. You got. I'm saying, like, I think that it's risky, right, Some people were here, They're like, hey, wait a minute, I goddamn it, you went too far. You know, like this ship is serious.

I think I think it is. I think that when you um, it's timing, I don't know will because you can't really crack jokes about the LGBTQ community. I got those two. Yeah, Well, I mean, look, you want to be. We want to be equal or not. If if you're equal, then I'm gonna make fun of you. It's actually the lesser than that, you don't you know when you have the special needs kid in your gym class, everybody, we all funk with each other. You go, I don't funk

with that kid, and that's the ultimate insult. So I think making fun of every group is the true even level playing field. Have you guys say retarded on stage, but I got a whole ten minutes on retarded. Dude, this is good, I know, but the groundless. And again, I don't hate retarded people. Who what kind of psycho would actually hate retarded people? I'm just joking. I mean, no, no one's ever gone. Hey, I don't want to retards of my neighborhood. You know, I love a retarded kid

in my neighborhood. I'd be great. They're so happy and they can you know, they're very strong, they can lift a car. Do you have any special needs people in your family? I think there's some autism kind of going through the Norman family. I'm impotent, can't get it up. But other than that, no, I'm kidding. I'm hard right now. But now there's a little cancer and then the grandma and all that. But everything everybody's good, so nothing too bad. We're very lucky. We're blessed. Oh fuck, I am gonna

come to the improv please. We'd love to have you, alright, I'll put you on the list. Alright, alright, we'll put you in the you know, the black section. But you know it's weigh in the back up by. I'm joking. You gotta make light of horrible things. This guy right here, man is the ship. I'm telling you, man, this dude is the ship for real. When I first saw you out, like, man, we gotta get this guy shown. When I got that email, it was touching. I appreciate it, Yeah, absolutely, man, Like

who inspired Mark Norman to get into comedy? How did that happen? I just always loved it. That huge George carl and huge Richard Pryor all that right, he's probably the funniest guy, one of the funniest comics of all times. Willie and I had uh a week or so ago. Yeah it was a week ago. Yeah, I mean the guy catches on fire from freebasing and makes a joke about that, and then his art it's amazing, and he's so honest, and he now that so many comics doing him.

He changed the whole game, you know. So, but that was in the seventies. I mean Bill Cosby was like Willias, Richard Pryor the best comic ever probably and Willie was like, nah, I mean all the pens and we never really came to the to the finish of it. But I'm want to vote Richard Pryor. Okay, we could break it down all day. I think that char he likes Bill Cosby. Bro Bill Cosby, you wouldn't have prior without Cosby. See, that's the thing I think that I think that Richard

is definitely on the Mond rushmore. Yes, I look at like not just how famous a person was, and not just how or not how talented they were, but their impact. How how influential were you Richard? How many how many people that really like went out and and and give me a big word, how many how many people? How many people went out and try to uh copy what you did? Everybody try to emulate what you did? How many people did that? And and so yeah, I'm not

saying anything. I'm saying Richard is definitely not like Richard Man. I used to like take Richard Pride jokes to school and act like they were mine. You know, I tell those jokes like they were mine. So yeah, man, So Richard is definitely up there. I mean, he's always Mark. He's definitely at the top. You on that, You're you're right there, bro. You change the face. I'm serious, changing the face of comedy, bro for real, like you're changing it like you you don't give a funk. And that's

that's a beautiful thing. That's your time right now. And you know you said a mouthful when you said you can't be afraid of them, because these watch dogs are like dogs, you know, if they feel if they sense fear, that's when they come chasing and running after your ship. And then and even if you apologize, you can't just apologize. You gotta apologize like they want you to. You gotta have that the motherfucker's mentality. Fuck you, you gotta have

that type of mentality. Are they gonna keep riding on you? And I don't. And I do sense that when they sense that they think they got somebody that they can ride on, that they can actually uh influence their behavior or whatever, they just go in and it trips me out when somebody apologizes and they say no, no, no, you got to apologize him too, then you gotta. We didn't.

We didn't feel that apologize you can be more sincere. Yeah, it's all bananas and where we consider them the good guy us like your You claim to be compassionate and trying to help people. You're fucking bullies your I want another apology. That was that apology? You didn't mean that apology. I'm like, I didn't mean the joke either. Motherfucker about that. But they just want more more. It's control. How can

I do more? Do more? Keep kissing the ring, keep bowing down both of my apologies and take them off the table. You should retract all your apologizes, both apologies. Don't do it. I would just say I would say I would not attract an apology if I feel that's what I want to say. If I'm sincere about my apology, I'll apologizing that. What why would you say it in the first place? If you want to apologize because we're human beings and we make mistakes, that's whatever. Heard you

say you're sorry for nothing to nobody ever in life? Well, I'm sorry you've never heard I'm done, man, all we finished. But here's the thing is we we talked about canceling and all that, and it's become like a religion. You know, people live for this ship. But with religion, this forgiveness. There doesn't seem to be any forgiveness in the canceling. But have you noticed that the same people who are part of the cancel culture are the same people who

are part of that don't judge? Exactly? Very interesting. You go far enuf east, you're going west. If you go you're going with yeah, yeah, don't judge. Don't judge. Live your life, do your ship, handle your take care of your kids, pay your bills. Why then, are you worried about me making a fat joke? This is the biggest problem in the world. How privileged are you that this is your biggest fight, fat joke. You don't give us, you don't even care. You just want the cloud, you

want the clicks, you want to get the wind. Well, I really don't have a problem with people judging. I think I think I think we all we all judge every day, Like when we walk out of the house, you know, we put on clothes because we don't want somebody staring. You know, we you know, we we we we call my hand, I mean, Alicia, don't do uh, you know, because you know, we want to look presentable. Right. So people judge every day, every single day. Yeah, yeah, And I think it keeps us. It keeps us uh

in check, right, It keeps us in check. So I think it's a good thing to judge. But I think it's when people become judgm mental mental. What I'm saying, that's when it becomes judg mental defined the word. Well, when that's the mental part is just you know, being obsessed with it and just having and having uh, this this attitude of superiority, you know, like it has to be my way of no way, you know, like like like what makes your way the right way? And that

way be defended. Your way be defended, but but not way be defended. You know. That's that's a problem. That's why I have a problem with it. And who says that I made the black joke about you guys being in the black section clearly a joke. But somebody could take that clip and go and he's a racist. Look at this guy, like, you don't even know me. I made a joke. What are you talking about? But they don't care. They don't go, oh, maybe it was a joke. They go, no, we're gonna we're gonna burn this guy

at the steak, Like, what are we doing? This is it was a joke, Like, you're a waste of everybody's time here. It's real racist. I wouldn't offended. Willie wasn't offended. And I'm offended by a lot of ship really yeah I am. But but but I wasn't offended by that because I get it. I get comedy. Yeah, I understand comedy right and the opening And if I was a comic, I take that chance. You know, if if if I had that joke, I would have used it. You know

what I'm saying. If I was a comic and I came up with that ship right, like, yeah, you know, probably they would have burned at the stake to Willie, if you're black, Willie, Willie can't say that about white people. I would laugh. I think you wouldn't be funny. If Willie said it, I think I would. I would. I would say any fucking joke as a comic. The best comics are the ones who are uncensored. Well, you're not funny. Well, I guess I can be funny sometimes. Well that's not

what my woman said. That ain't got nothing to do with bread. Well, well that's what I'm saying. So why are you coming on my ship because it's just not funny here, But go ahead, I could be more funnier than you. Bet you can't. H Come on, let's wait just after the show now, now, let's go right now, let's go with the jokes right now, all right, okay, yeah, he dirty white horse selling the mud. Okay, next joke, okay, so so so, so that's this this farmer I'm gonna

fuck you. Okay, So that's this farmer, right, And these two farmers farmer A farmer B. Farmer A tells farm A B, Hey, I really like your your farm, and I, you know, i'd like to own it someday, and you know, I like to home something like this someday. And then the other farmer says, well, I tell you what, if you can tell it, tell me what it is you're sticking up my ass. Uh, you know you can tell me what it is. If you can tell me what it is I'm sticking up your ass, I'll let you

have it. So He's like, oh man, I don't know about that. So he says, um, you know what. Okay, So he goes he goes and gets a carrot and sticks to carried up his ass and the guy goes, uh, I think that's a carriage, and he said, funk, you're right. So then he goes and get a cucumber and he sticks the cucumber up his ass and the dudes like, fuck fucking cucumber. And then he goes into uh to the bathroom and get one of those things that used for it is a bathroom. He goes into the bathroom.

I said, he goes into the bathroom and gets one of those things that used UH to stop the toilet what's called Brad what's it called Bright's But honestly, Marks played that game before you got me there nice pack my assholes thing and no, but on the on the real though, you know, Brad can't funk with me in comedy. But I like Brad up anytime any day anyway. You know, in fact, you know what improv. You I led to

a comedy night at the Improv. You know we can go up there any day and have a battle royale. You know what I'm saying William funnier than you. Okay, well we'll see about it. She was sucking she and Willie. You see that? What does that mean? It's a great hair man. I'm funny. M hmm, you're funny because you have great fucking right. That's wisdom. You should see his pubes you. Wisdom is different from wisdom, is different from humor. Yeah, it's different. Like you know, it doesn't make you make

you funny. What makes a comedian funny? Delivery delivery timing point of view. You gotta have a good angle that nobody thought about. You can take some bullshit like that joke that Willie just told, but go ahead. Yeah, yeah, you can take some like pizza and find a new angle in it that no one thought about. But it was right there. And that's comedy. It's all about. It's almost like seeing ship through the eyes of a kid and saying it as an adult. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, funny.

It's a fascinating thing. Funny, it's a fascinating thing. I go all over the country talking to different crowds and they all laugh for the same ship. You know, Like, here's a joke for you. I met a girl a Jewish girl on that Jewish app what's that Jewish appist Jewish one? I don't know. I don't PayPal, I don't don't put us in this man, it's surprised you didn't see it coming. And then you hit him with the horrible Jewish stereotype and we laugh. That's how humans are.

It's great, especially and then when people get mad at you for doing dark Ship, you're like, no, no, that's what we should be talking about, because we're making light of horrible ship. That's a good thing. Are you hilarious somewhere that you are an atheist? Oh? Yeah, yeah, big as that. Well. I'd love to believe. I wish I believed. I just you know, it's like being gay. If you're gay, you're gay. If you're not, you're not. I want to believe. All my friends are religious, like I went to Catholic

school when high school, and I don't know. I just don't buy it. I'd love to buy it. It'd be a happier life. You guys seem happy, but I don't know. I don't. I don't. It's too convenient. Oh you go to heaven at the end, It's it's perfect. It's if it's perfect. Why is my aunt here? You know? Like we could do this all day with dissecting everything. And then how if you're Catholic, if you grow up with this part, but over here you're Muslim and over here

you're Jewish, Like, how come those are those real? And mine is fake? Or is mine real and those are fake? So I don't know, it's all it all feels. I think it's a nice What what about religion? It makes you feel like it's fake. I don't think there's a higher being upstairs. I think when we die, we're just in the dirt and that's okay, that's a beautiful thing. Heaven is a dangerous concept because it's an after party. So you think, well, hey, I don't have to worry

about this time. I got heaven coming up. But this time is heaven. This is when you be living because there's nothing after it, right, So you subscribe to the theory that you know you make your heaven in your hell right here? Exactly, how do you explain liquid that can turn into a lump that can turn into a human being. Well, I'm a big evolution douche. So you think we came from ape? I think we came from fish to man. Why the motherfucker's can't drive cars? Then, well,

we got more, we got more advanced, evolved. Why didn't they evolved in it? We evolved? I'm just asking questions. I'm I'm I'm a strong believer that there's something bigger than me. Probably I can't justify sitting on a big gass ball spinning in the middle of nowhere with barter's stuck to that bitch and we're surviving and there's nothing else and and and we're responsible for that. I'm not I'm not gonna buy that. I'm down with you, though science can for me. I want to see signs. Do it,

make signs? Do it? Get Neil de grass Tyson in here. He could do it better than me. But I'm in science to make that ball spending the mill and no fucking wear with water stuck to it and life growing. I want to see science do that. Let me ask you that we got cancer. Somebody dies of cancer, my my, my dad dies of cancer. Let's say why did God do that? The cancer, the medical um community, they gave it. I feel like you no listen and this is real ship. I feel like the U. S. D A. Did that.

I feel like the United States government injected cancer in the food that we eat. Why why would then, why do some people getting some people don't because some people have stronger immune systems, But why would God give some people weaker immune systems? Well, God didn't do that. See it's all very convenient when it's bad. He didn't do it when it's great. He did it. Well, let me let me say this. If God gave everybody a strong or weak immune system, then you know we're not giving

God the credit that he deserves. Because God, my concept, God is life, and it made life. I made life. You know, he makes He makes the grass grow, He makes the fish in the sea grow. You know, you make a tree grow from from a seed. You know that's God. If you didn't take care of your body growing up, that's not God's fault nature. And and I'm never gonna try to push my my my religious beliefs on you all, Willie. But I do know it's something

bigger than me. I watched, I watched, Yeah, I watched the little girl breached, breached, cut out like a C section, cut out and alive and grew to be some ship that I can't even explain what the funk it is. But I saw it. I got up watch my kids grow up, man, so I know it's something way fucking bigger than me. Get up to the doctor on that one. Now that wasn't the doctor. I was in there, so I was in there and I ground. I was like,

oh ship, yeah, yeah. I think ten tho years ago she might not or not five thousand, or she might not have lived because we didn't have the technology years ago, fifty years ago. So I don't know. I just think, hey, give us some credit. Plus, where the hell is this guy? He could say he's gonna show up, he had to show up. I'm not gonna laugh it then, Mom, I'm just saying he's rather dead be dead. Jesus is on the cross, like, hey, Dad, you're all powering. You can't

throw me a bone here. These guys are slaughtering me. I just don't I don't get it. I don't know it's all. It's all when the when the guy makes a touchdown, thank you God, I couldn't be here. When he misses, he doesn't go, what the funk, asshole? What about the guy who also believes in God that he made the touchdown? On exactly great point. It's very convenient, and I don't want to shoot on anybody's religion. And look,

religious people are happier, they live longer. There are a lot of people, especially people in Congress, who all who all claim to be religious, and their devils and in Congress on police forces all around this country, straight devils, straight people, straight demonic people. So I don't, I don't subscribe to that. You know, it's very religious, isis, They're very religious. The clan is very they believe in they believe in Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ was hockey fucking

done with this guy. Hey, I can say it, that's my n word. But you know, look the client. I was just at one of the meetings, so I can speak. How do people? How do white people treat you? When you say that white people are the most annoying, the

most heavy handed, preachy, well you need to. They're so condescending, especially when it comes to different races and marginalized groups like white people are the ones who get mad at my comedy black guy I do black the black guys laughing, and you can't say, it's like, shut the funk up, he's laughing. Who are you to tell me what he can handle. You're the you're the real racist, because you're going, hey, they're they're slow and weak. They can't handle that. Like

that's where your brain went. I'm fucking bullshitting with this guy. I don't know. I just hate white women have really gone off the rails with like, we need to stop these horrible jokes. I'm like, these jokes are making people happy. This guy's laughing. Relax, You're not a hero. Yeah, man, don't stop comedy. Man. You can stop a lot of stuff, but please do not stop my comedy. Man. I think it's important, man. And and if if that ain't your brand, you know, hey, man, don't It's easy to not go

to the show. It's very easy to not listen to this guy on social media, on YouTube or whatever. It's so easy. And what is it inside you that has to take that down? We need to get rid of this.

This is bad, Like move it on. I think it's a difference if it would be different if somebody had a particular type of I guess, uh crew type comedy or whatever, and they actually live their life outside of the stage like that, you know, they was out there like making these makes making certain racial jokes or whatever, and then they went out there and practice that type

of stuff. That would be different in my opinion. But uh, man, you know, but that there are there are comics who say talk about all kinds of you know, you've got comics who you talk about, you know, being faithful to that woman or whatever, and you know, get doing all kind of stuff, and you got and you got those who say, man, I'll be sleeping with these holes and the man who you want to go with me tonight and all that stuff, and the and their wife is in the green room, you know, like you know, so

it's for me, man, I think the idea with comedy is to make people laugh first and for almost even if you're gonna be political, that's fine, but make people laugh. Don't don't come on that damn stage and make me mad. I don't want to go to comedy show. And I don't get those guys like I want to walk half the room, I say with my truth and all like shut up. It's a it's still entertainment. It's still a comedy show. These people pay the ticket, give him, give

him a laugh. But yeah, I think it's uh, it's not the end of the world. It's not that big of a deal. You don't have to show up. And then they go, here's here's one. This proves people are full of ship. Some comic wals say a fucked up joke, somebody will film it, they'll put it on Twitter, and people go, this is appalling, this is so offensive, let me retweet it. It's like, wait, if it's so horrible, why the hell are you retweeting it, why are you

showing other people? Because you actually don't think it's that bad. You just want people to know that you think it's that bad, and you really thought it was inciting violence or whatever, you wouldn't repost it, your psycho. Now you're letting more people see it. Yeah, and that is that is something that I wrestle with. I wrestle with myself as a person who who post social in political political content,

right because you know, you, I like exposing corruption. Those people who you talk about being condescending, or those people who try to take advantage of others and stuff like that, abuse their positions of authority. I love exposing them. And sometimes, uh, they do certain things and I'm like, I don't really want to post that because it's like it's no solution behind it. Like I don't want to just post it just to be post and say look what they did again,

Look what they did again. It's like, if I'm posting it, it's like maybe to bring awareness to this particular video because it's not hadn't been out there, it's not out there yet, and so we gotta put this person on blast to to basically smoke them out so that that person could be held accountable. That's a good, good rebuttal. Yeah, So in your opinion, where is comedy? Do comedy have a good trajectory right now? As in terms of comics being able to, uh, at least saying it themselves. I'm

gonna say what I want to say. I mean, I know we've been talking about a lot and we got to cancel culture thing going on, But what are your peers saying about how they're gonna how they're gonna force it this staying forward. It's a good question. I think we're all it's kind of like music and fashion everything. You know, we had disco and then people like fuck disco, let's go to hair metal and hip hop, and then it goes to grunge music like sucking Nirvana and all that,

so it keeps changing. It's almost like when you vote a Democrat president, the next one is a Republican. So it keeps flipping and flopping. So we went through this whole kind of wokey activism e thing like preachy kind of comedy, and now I think we're coming out with dark comedy. It's it's flopping again. You know everything, Uh

there's a yin and a yang. So I think now we're kind of coming out with some dark comedy and people are going, yeah, yeah, I canceled me, but then you got to cancel all these twenty eight other motherfucker's too, So if you out number I think you're gonna be okay. So comedy right now, it's it's like in the eighties

it was like Karate Kid, the goonies. The nineties you get pulp fiction and all this crazy ship so everything ebbs and flows, and right now I think we're in the dark comedy again, which is the Priors, the Carl and z Eddie Murphy's the Sam Kennison. So I think we went through the light and now we're in the dark and it's fun. It's funny. How do you feel about white comics s the N word. I think it's tough.

I used to have an N word joke and it made I think the joke was good, but it made people so uncomfortable that I was like, again, my purpose here is to kill to get laughs, and if they're not laughing, I just dropped the joke. It's not for some moral high ground. It was just the no laughter. That's the real canceling. If you're not getting laughs, that joke is no good. So I just drop it. So I get the in word thing. But if it ain't laughing,

if they're not laughing, I don't think it's worth it. Right, The steak isn't worth the sizzle? Yes, yes, steak isn't worth the sizzle. Pretty good. That's a good line. Yeah, And some people just want to say it just to say it, like look how tough I am. And you're like, yeah, yeah, but this is still a comedy show. We're supposed to be laughing. Who no one gives you are We're not laughing, right,

And and that's the bottom line. Because I'm telling you I've been on comedy hard like foot at least three decades, and I know I know most of the top comedians in the game personally, and I've watched comics like from the time that they first thought like hitting the scene and I'll catching him like he got it. If I if I tell you got it, you got Yeah. If I tell you you know you ain't got it, you probably should start doing something different, right exactly? If you

have no worst, you got it. I'll take it. Bro good question. So you guys did your homework? Well he didn't. But that's why I came in here. I just knew you was from New Orleans. Hell yeah, born and raised. Yeah, that's all I needed to know you guys. Did you guys ever go there you're growing up because it's like a five hour drive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't go to New Orleans growing up, but I did go to

Lake Charles. My my father's side of the family is from Lake Charles, so I used to visit that every summer and holidays, and I had the greatest time because my grandmother was just the sweetest woman in the world. So I would always have a good time anytime I went to late I just have nothing but fun memories of Lake Charles, Louisiana. But I started going to New Orleans when we started making records, and that was always cool. Yeah. Who a whole adoptive family in New Orleans. Damn with me,

gumbo and good Yeah, I love it. Unbelievable fucking uh Yeah. Stopped going to Orleans for a few years because I was trying to lose weight. Well, Houston, nothing helpy that the Mexican food, the barbecue that we got, any type of food that you want, just right here in this city. Do you think that all people that lives in Louisiana can cook? Because I don't. He can't cook, I can't cook. Cook. My mom is not really that great either, if I'm

being honest. But no, bro, and everybody everybody knows the basics, I think, but not everybody's good at it. New Orleans reminds me of New York in the sense that it was not a lot of traffic. Now well, I'm talking about like when it when it comes to like bragging on the city, like this is what I'm saying, Like a lot of people that's from not not just New Orleans, but people in Louisiana, they like to ride the coattail

of great cooks, and that are great cooks. Great cooks have come out of Louisiana great, but everybody tried to ride it with. You know, somebody would invite me to something that's something and they'll say, well, yeah, man, you know, she from New She from Louisiana. And I'm like, well, what the hell that means? They don't mean nothing. So it's the same thing with like New Yorkers. Uh, there are great people that have that are New Yorkers that are born and raised in New York, great people who

have done great things. But then there are also people who ain't did ship and ain't got no talent, and they think they'll come to the city and they go somewhere else and they think just because they're from New York, they're supposed to get a pass right and there, and they're they're they're not a symbol of the great people who built New York. That opposite, Well, that's just how life is. We all put people in a little box.

I kind of Texas. I'm like, want to see a guy in a cowboy hat shooting a pistol in the air, do you know, wait till September one ship. But then yeah, exactly, that's when you get to wear your gun on your your hip. Those guys even from Houston, though most of those people that come here for the rodeo, they're not even from Houston. They come from surrounding areas like Alabama

states and other states and stuff. Yeah, I think they come down here and put those fucking cowboy hats something to make us look foolish like that, like we really like, we're not like that. I don't even know a person that wears a cowboy hat in Houston, do you cowboy? But my son, Blake, we damn cowboy hats man Blake be all on checking the damn cowboy hat on international flights and ship What checking the cowboy checking it in? What do you mean like putting it under the plane

special box? All the steps? Are you serious? Sometimes? But he's not like that, you know? But he rides horses and all this stuff. Likes he likes the cowboy thing. I mean women dig it. Yeah yeah, I'll throw on a cowboy hat to role play with my girl. I'll throw anything on a cop had, a fireman hat, whatever you want, just to make it interesting. What's the wild rap on? I don't even want to notice? Man, Can I stuff my ears? What's the wildest thing? What's the

wildest role you've ever played in? I probably want a full Nazi. That was fun. And she was the Jewish girl and I found her in the basement that pulled her out. You're not going anywhere, and she said, put it in my oven, So yeah, good time. Absolutely put it in my oven. Oh yeah, you know that. That ain't just risk a man. Uh, that's dark. That is they're laughing. I hear some chuckles. My buddy here, he's he's Jewish. He's with me, So you gotta mix it up.

I think you're the first comic that I've ever heard tell that type of joke that go that far. You you you gotta get out more's is it just jokes? Like I've hung out with rappers and they're like, oh, I killed a guy once. I'm like, you killed a guy? To me, that's real ship. These are just zingers. So it's weird how we do that. And in my act, all make jokes about murder and everybody laughs, or make

jokes about killing somebody and everybody laughs. But then you make a joke about Jews like whoa, whoa whoa, Like that was Murder's what was the part of the meeting I said, I said that because we know that rappers ain't got to kind of power that Jewish people have. And these platforms, even these platforms are you know there control. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so was so so so to say that. Then you know a lot of people just stay away from it. We just don't. They

just don't talk about. It's just like, um, it's like certain other it's almost like a protected class, right. Black people ain't never been a protected class, That's true. I'm gonna start, um, I'm gonna get an Anti African American Defamation League together. I think you should call it something else. We have. I'm gonna try to defamation league, but that's for the Jewish people though, I know, let's call it something else. Can I ask a black question about a

million questions? You know when you ask your gay friend, like, what's it like doing? That's what's do though? But everything is so ripped from we bite everything from black people, the culture of the fashion, the music, whatever. And it's not just white people, it's Indian. Indian guys are acting black now, Asians are acting black now. You guys kind of set the trend for everything that's in is that flattering or is that annoying? It's flattering to me some

people we were that different. He loves it. I hate it. Well I didn't. I didn't say I loved that. I said it's because you something can be flattering, you don't have to love it. But but he flattered. I think. I think. I think imitation is the best phone of flattering, you know, And I think it's It's like if somebody was to say that if you saw somebody trying to rap like you, you know what you what you? I know that you would say a man, get your own

style or whatever. I would say that. But yeah, you would say that ship, yeah you said back then, you say that ship right now? No, I don't even give a funk. So you don't give a funk. So if somebody came out right now and you you saw a person with your swag, how would you response? So you're talking about like like like somebody, like a black dude, anybody, I wouldn't give an Okay, all right, Well that's new ladies and gentlemen, breaking news. Brad Now don't doesn't give

a funk if somebody bites his style. Oh god, damn, Willie. So the thing is this, Uh, but you know what makes your point for the finished finish making you up? Well, that was it. I just wondered because it's so it happens, and it takes whitey a long time to pick up, like you know, you hear my grandma will be like I have a lot of bling on today. I'm like, jeez, that's from twenty years ago. But it just got to her. I think. I think the problem happens when black people

see other people try to jack. That's why when they jack it and don't give credit. For instance, like if you hit so Kardashian tried to you know, do with dreadlocks, do with dreadlocks or something like that, and then not not not Kim Kardashian or one of the Kardashians, but if one of the one of these report there's some journalists says, oh, look at Kim gandash you know she's she's a trendsetter and blah blah blah, and black that that that's when we take offence to it, like when

somebody somebody lifted and and not give credit. That makes sense, Yeah, because sometimes I think, hey, if this little girl wants to dress up as I don't know, Beyonce for Halloween, this white girl. Everybody's like, that's appropriation, and like, don't get mad at her. She doesn't even see that she's black. She's just a huge fan of Beyonce. So why are you yelling at this girl for appropriating when she's just

wearing a costume because she's obsessed with this woman. To me, I think that's where we come down too hard, Like the appropriating. Well, you're like, no, she's a fan. That's a good thing. That little girl doesn't even see that she's black. I think that's but sometimes we go too far with the But again, if people aren't giving you credit that I get. Yeah, And sometimes we can't tell if we're trying to come together or if we're trying to separate all the time, you know, and that is

a dicey gray area. And I think we gotta stop yelling at people all the time about stuff like that because it does more harm than good. There are some people that you're right, there are some people that don't want to come together. They just don't want to come together. And I say to that, if you really really serious about not wanting to come together, then you should get the funk out of America, because because in America you

have no choice but but to coexist. And if if you're gonna coexist, why would you want to walk around in a society where you're always bumping heads with somebody just based strictly off what they look like, just that skin color. It's just based just off that alone. Every time you you see somebody, they hear about some somebody saying something that doesn't look like you. Uh, they get accused of doing something, then it just triggers you. It's

just messaging. I don't want to live like that with you. Yeah, things don't have to be that difficult. You're making it difficult. We we don't, we really, I think sometimes you know myself, including Brad, we get a bad rap for bringing these like bringing serious topics two the table, speaking on uh corruption and people who stretched their authority. We get there that not like no, if the shoot fits, you wear

the motherfucker, lace it up. But if if we if if if you're not this evil, dirty, low down motherfucker, then we're not talking about you. It's about it. It's about if the shoe fitch you wear it. So I'm never going to be silent. So my white friends are my white fans can be comfortable. I'm never gonna be silent about injustice. So my wife friends or my wife fans can be comfortable. Like the people who with it,

the real friends, the real fans, they get it. The rest of them fuck them straight up with an illness like, oh, I got leukemia, but I don't want to make anybody on couple, so I won't say it. No, we gotta fix the leukemia, so let's hear it. Sure it'll be awkward,

but we canna deal with it. Yeah, absolutely, And I think that that's the way that that we that we get the ship worked out, because we ain't nobody going on where everybody talk a lot of ship, but ain't nobody going Yeah, so if we got to, if we got to coexist, wouldn't if you, let's say, when you're in your comfort zone, you know everything's cool and you're not you don't have to be around certain people. That's cool.

But what happens if you hop in your car and you drive down the street and you gotta stop and maybe take a leak at the gas they that someone get some gas or whatever, and then you run into somebody that don't look like you and you're on the same aisle and you know you're reaching at the same time or whatever. You know, you know when you rether, this person be somebody that has some damn empathy for you.

Sure you know what I'm saying that you at least this person is civilized, you know, yea, So now I'm with you. People. People get It's like when people go your culturally appropriating black culture, you've gotta be more woke. I'm like, you know who came up with the word woke? Now you're just doing it. You see what I'm saying, Like they'll yell at you for something they're doing at the exact moment. So I just think everybody's making a lot of ship out of nothing. We just gotta come together,

we gotta coexist, and we can't. We're focusing on race almost too much now. I think that it's like putting a magnifying glass on it instead of just living Like, oh, this TV show it has twelve black people, should have thirteen. It's like, well, why the fund you sit here counting black people? Isn't that weird? I don't know, it just feels like I feel like we're we're not perfect as a country. But we're getting better. We've had you know,

black president, Black Kamala Harris or whatever. Black. We're getting there and it's not per it's gonna take a while. But instead of always just going we're horrible, were horrible, horrible, you know, it shouldn't take a while. It should because because no, it shouldn't, because we see it. We see everything that's fucked up with what's going on in society today. So make the fucking adjustment between two shoes, just like you. And if our skin called is the only thing that

separate system, we shouldn't be separated at all. That's it. I don't get it. That's all. That's It's that simple. But it's easy enough for motherfucker to say, hey, if you, if you, if you commit a crime against Asian people, Black people, Jewish people, it's just people, any people period out there for everybody like that. Don't just do it for just one one group of people with two groups

of people, you know, don't don't don't. Don't put a band of protection on the LGBTQ community and don't put it on the black but don't put it on in a straight community. There's any community for sure. Yeah, like don't. Don't. Don't do that. We see what the fucking problem is. And they constantly want to spoon feed us. You know, oh, ship, you want to you want some water? Right, there's some water? No, mother, give me the goddamn bottle. Fucking playing with me, bro,

you want some water? Why do you need water? Some time? You won't even get that. You know, all people need water, not just black people, all big water. Yeah, for sure, that's a joke. But yeah, yeah, it's it's crazy out there. You've done, yeah, a couple of times. You've done the lace shown, you know, with Cobra and all that kind of stuff, and I know you gotta did you say you have a Nick Nick Nick special coming out coming out? Yeah? What's the name of it. It's just gonna it's a

it's a little half hour thing. It's called yeah, a couple of bucks, no ship. Yeah, Yeah, it's just called the stand Up Season three. They do one a year. Can I get some money from from comedy? I'll send you a check. That YouTube special that you did, Yes, why did you take it to YouTube? Did you take it over that first and didn't want to? Yeah? They didn't care. They're just like we've never heard of you. I have no juice in this business. You know this,

this podcast might help, but I got no juice. So they're like, who are you? Why would why would we take this and give you a bunch of money? You're nobody. I'm like, I know, but I think it's good. I think there's quality in here. Man. That that just goes to show you there are a lot of people out there who don't know what that are, and powerful posessions

who don't know what the hill they're doing. And to all you people out there that are that are trying, that's got something and you're knocking on doors and knocking on, keep knocking, keep keep doing what you're doing, because a lot of these people don't know what the hell they're

talking about. Man, you cannot just I've heard stories where people who are all the way at the top were approached by people who are all the way at the bottom, who were very, very good at what they were doing, and that person told me, you don't stand the chance to get the hell out of here right in the next few years or so, that person blew all the way up and past surpassingly. So there's these gatekeepers now or they always have been but if you can go

around them. I mean, hell, like I think n w A had a ton of problems with getting agencies and reps to get people like who's gonna buy this ship? And then it just hit. They did it on their own. You build it in their word of mouth and if it's good, people will find it. So it was a huge failure for me to not get picked up by HBO, Netflix, nothing. So I put it on YouTube and it hit and is on YouTube. They because it's got seven million views and it's all mine. Yeah, ship, So that feels good.

That's good man. It's always good to see good people and you know, and and when you're talking about comedy, uh, specifically, it's good to see good comics get get some shines, appreciate you know, because you got. I don't. I don't even understand how somebody, well I understand, I don't know if the hell they're doing. I was about to say, I don't understand that somebody could hear your comedy and

say this dude ain't funny. Well, we'll show me a motherfucker who's funny and put them on the side of him and let me hear, let me hear what you're talking about it now. Granted that you know that's different styles of comedy whatever, but for your brand, your style, show me somebody that's better. We got down. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad you're not. But that means the world to me, and I appreciate if you just keep going and let the people find your ship. Put it

out there somewhere they if it's good, they'll find it. Yeah, if it sucks, who knows. But no, you're funny. It's come on. I can't take a compliment, but thank you. I wish you were my parents. You guys, you guys care more and like me more than my own folks. But hey, maybe that's why I'm funny, No doubt. My man Mark Norman fan say, man, so can you tell people how to reach out? And sure, I'm on Black People Meet dot com. No, I'm at I'm at a Mark Norman comedy dot com. I got podcasts, I got Twitter,

I got Instagram, I'm on the road. I'm coming to your town. Say hello, let's get a nice mixed audience in there. So when I do black jokes, the black people laugh and the scared white people can watch them. Laughing and realize it's gonna be okay and they can laugh and they can laugh then. And you only got like eight T shirts. I'm out of shirts. We sold out, but we're pritting more, goddamn it. So say hello, come out, give me a hug, and uh and uh, praise all

uh And that's a rat. This episode was produced by A King and brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio