The Legend of Kevin Samuels Part. 2

rock out their heads and then blame me. Do uther be, don't get it twisted on code and me and danced for now buttament biscuits. I watched a few clips of Kevin Samuel's uh the other day were actually earlier today, and uh, this is what I came back with. And I want you guys to anybody can just jump in and and and answer, uh, give your thoughts on this. A woman said that she had a baby with a

man who was not good enough for her. She said he was not good enough for her, but she had the baby with him anyway, And and she ended up the voicing this guy uh and Kevin's she said, well, yeah, you know, well I I'm on I allowed to make mistakes, and Kevin said, you're allowed to make mistakes, but the world does not owe you understanding. Anybody got p with that? Okay, here's another one. Woman said her boyfriend of two weeks

has trust issues, so she shares her location with him. Uh. And her boyfriend, uh, she has gone out with just twice. This is the guy she only has been out with twice. She said, she goes out, she she shares the location so that he can feel comfortable. Kevin said. Kevin said, it's crazy. And then he said, uh, have you had therapy and and she said yes, And he said you need to go back. You gotta with that. Okay, alright, okay, okay. The woman a woman, uh was okay being petty being pretty.

Woman said being pretty is not enough for a lot of men, because I'm pretty and I'm still single. Kevin said, what do you want? The woman said, I don't know, because a lot of men don't know what they want. Kevin said, uh, just in the little time talking to you, it's been chaotic. He cut off and said, you can't make this ship up people. Anybody got a problem with that?

He cut off. She said, she said she don't know what she was, I don't know what I want, and he said, just in this a little time talking to you. It's being chaotic, and he cut off the cutting off part. Yeah, definitely, and said, you can't make this ship up. People just cut off, cut off. He's also teaching men how to deal with women when they're being them, when they're being disperspectful and talking over you. You get up and walk out of the room when they cut you, cut them off,

and you move on. Because a lot of men these days, especially single mother raise boys who have been raised by their minds. They'll argue back and forth with you like they're a woman. I know, and each and every woman in this room, if you're in, you've dealt with a man, and you know your mother must have raised you because you sound just like her. Whereas what men are supposed to do, it's a I said, would have to say, you said, Jed, say there's no need to get emotional

about it, and you move on. That's foreign to a lot of these young men, and so what they saw him doing is dealing with disrespectful women who you're not gonna get a positive outcome from. Just you walk away from that, because otherwise it just escalates. Your ladies know how it goes. And when you get men and women and relationships and they escalate, women oftentimes don't know how to stop because women, I think, just didn't understand his approach and his response. And so it's not that they

were rebutting to be disrespectful. They were trying to get their part out. You know, well X and we and they were because they, I mean, we're in a conversation, were right, And he did ask a question. There are times where he asked a question, and so I don't think that sometimes he was fair in allowing the female to fully answer the question without the cutting off. No, no, no, no no. He was always fast. He was always he always when they when they start, when they said they

came with like nonsense. No's when they were cute, and he would give him a little bit more leeway. Now I've watched I se him. I've seen him cut a lot of nice look out he was if you if you were nice looking, he would he would, he would, he would give you a little leeway. But if you was ugly, he was gonna stink it. Okay, moving on,

here's another clip. There's a woman wants to divorce. A woman divorce, wanted to divorce her husband and get back with her ex because he's a high value man in terms of his money, social status, and how he looks. Kevin said, and what would people say about that? Woman said, it would say he got back with the woman he always wanted. Kevin says, she belongs to the streets and cut off the world. Yeah, he said, okay, wanted to

go to the woman, the woman. The woman wanted to woman wanted to divorce her husband and go back with her ex, her ex, get what her ex because now her ex is a high value man in terms of his his social status and how he looks. And Kevin said, and what would people say about that? And she said the woman said, it would say he got back with the woman he always wanted. And then Kevin said, she belongs to the streets and cut off. No problem with

that problem. Do anybody have a problem with the woman's a woman's the woman saying it would uh, it would say that he got back with the woman he always wanted. Yes, I have a problem with that. That's not what it was the fact that married behind called the show right, everybody see the money. It was so another woman called and said she got married so she could have kids, and when her husband found out he couldn't have kids

anymore after they got married, she divorced him. She said, now I'm actively looking, and Kevin says, comments a bit, how do you know you're gonna be able to carry children? Uh? Turn to turn. The woman said, it is terrible. I know, I know. And then Kevin said, uh, the shot you say uh? Let me said, going on the shot you say people at Oh He said that the ship you say around people who let you believe it. So this woman is see what I saw a lot of times is when when women would get on there and they

be delusional. He didn't have patience for delusional women, Like if you were talking out the side of your neck off yea, I think that is delusional. I think I think it's very delusional to to to to uh, to marry uh, to marry a man for kids. I think you want, you want kids, you till you're gonna marry this guy, and then after you get married, you find out that the guy can't have kids, and and now you no longer want to be married to the guy, so you divorce him, and now you're out there looking

you divorce a guy that's otherwise a good guy. So you're out there now you're looking, and you're not even sure that you can carry a child to turn so you haven't even thought that ship all the way through. There's more men that leave women because they don't want to have children anymore. But we have to have those kids, and we don't want to have them anymore, but you still want kids. There's more men. But they went into

a marriage. Hold on, they went into a marriage saying that they were going to have children, and then later on trying to exactly because but it was clear if you were if you're married, if men, and if I'm married, and we came into this relationship like you know, we're gonna have five kids, and after two I say I can't have no more. I'm done. It's a breach of contract. And that man wanted to if he wanted to leave me because because but but it was still a situation

that they came in together. If she would have known beforehand that he couldn't have because she wouldn't have married, you know, with you present on that because vice versa. So I marry you and I said I want to have one kid, and you can come home with another, and no, you come on with another. Come on, I want if I say, me and you we agree and we have a one kid and ship be good, and you're like yeah. And then I come home one day and it happened to my brother. He came home and

his wife said, we sick. I mean we's pregnant. He's like, now we's not pregnant. Pregnant because we had agreed that I only want to have one kid, and now you have another. So I agree with you on that. Yeah. If you and I married and I say, and I say this, I said, listen, you have we want to have we don't have one kid, and you agree with you agree with we're just gonna have one kid and you get sick. Is that her fault because you read and you should have taken you Why women one conversation?

We never had a kids. It's my fault too. So

if it okay, okay, that's cool. So you say, okay, well you have something to do and to do with this, right, So if my shortcomings come, you know saying, say, for instance, you you went out and you said I should check myself, right, so I shouldn't trust you in that regard, because if I asked me, if you don't, if you don't, if you're not kicks, if you're not come, if you if you and you agree upon that we don't want one key, but you have a kid, and you should say, well,

you shouldn't trust me. You should have protected yourself. Right, well, supposed I go out and give you, come back and give you a Nereogdamn. Right should I say to you when you should have protected yourself? Interesting? Different focus? Trust if you trust? If I'm trusted, so you don't, I don't have to trust you with holding up your end, but you have to trust responsibility to make sure responsible when we're oulating, you know, we're not. Women cannot get

their tubes tied after one kid. We can't. Unless you can't, they will not allow you to try. So, Dennis, Dennis, how do you seem like voice, I'm just not touching

the relationship and stuff. I'm just but but I really want to know, like you heard, fundamentally, they just disagree on responsibility when it comes to sex, you know, like whose responsibility is it to make sure that I don't get pregnant or I don't get Venario disease, Like we can't even agree on ship like that, Like, how do we get to a point, How do we get to a point to where we get on the same page and that we can we can get back and grow,

because you know, we have survived many battles, We have survived many wars, but one war we cannot survive as a gender war. We cannot win. We cannot win every we cannot win. We cannot a gender war. Forever we've in the black community, we've always had each other, men and women have We've had black men and black women, black women, black men, no matter what kind of chaos

was going on around us. And but now, especially over the last several years, it just seems like so many fucking vices are out there pitting us against one another, like and we're grown as people and we're fathering for this ship, like this is why you know on my platform, no, no, no, but listen, No nobody can come to my platform, period. I don't care who you are. You can't come on my platform and talk down and disparage black women, period.

You can't come on my platform and disparage black men, period. I don't play that ship because I understand that we're in a motherfucking struggle for our survival, a very existence. Now we don't even understand. Man, we had motherfucking war. Everybody nobody likes us, okay, and that's fine with me, But god damn, we gotta like each other. We gotta love each other. So how do we get that? All right?

Let me let me let's let's look at it like let's let's look at the infrastructure that we're dealing with. You have a group of people who are descended from people who were kidnapped and brought from Africa who developed their own culture. We refer to them as African Americans, Black Americans. Some people refer to them as a dos to f b A. That's a group of people were

talking about. Now you have amongst this population of forty five million black people in the United States, only about seventy five of them are what you would consider f BA or ados. That population is shrinking. The question is why, because you have Africans coming from overseas, you have Africans coming from the Caribbean, So that particular culture that we referred to as Ados is dissipating. That's what you're talking

about now. In that culture what you have is a situation where black men and black women don't get along. That wasn't me that said that. That was movie Obsidian Ali, who was a famous YouTuber, and he pointed that out back in wrote a book about it. I said, wow. He said, the fundamental problem that we had as black people going into the twentieth century was racism. The fundamental problem we have going into the twenty one system one century is that black people, black men, and women don't

get along. The question is why now A lot of people pitched us as a gender a war with Kevin Samuel's and many of us who have been in and out of the manisphere and listen and study this, and again, Kevin is much more. He was much more versing, and he was willing to talk to people. That's how you know. He loved black women and he loved black men. But what we've realized is that this is not necessarily a gender war. This is a renegotiation of the social contract. See.

Prior to nineteen fifty five, black Americans were the most married group of people in America, more than white people. After nineteen fifty five, with the onset of feminism and white feminists came to the black community and say, hey, girl, come help us and walk with women's will give you a job, will give you these benefits. Just leave that man alone. A matter of fact, he's oppressing you. It's

like our white man is oppressing us. But the black man has never been in any control of any institutions in the United States. We don't control what you eat, we don't control where you vote, we don't control where you to school, where you live, or any of that. So to try to equate black men fighting with black women and black women fighting with black men as oppression at the same instance in white folks. If white men have put upon white women is disingenuous. Kevin understood that.

So black women were fooled. And here's the thing, because they've been empowered. You're not going to give up that power. And here's the other thing you have to understand. For the past fifty years, black women have been given the bullhorn to complain and scream and yell about all the horrible things that black men have done. But over the past ten years, black men have developed an independent voice, largely because of social media. And so what are we

doing now? You heard their side for the first forty years, and now you're had black men speak for the next the last ten years. This is a renegotiation. There was a time when marriage was necessary. You needed to be married because there were wolves and bats and bears and and and all sorts of things out there, and the duties needed to be divided. You need you what you get as a as as a as a in exchange for protection and provision. You've got submission and cooperation from

your woman. You got respect from your family. Women don't need men anymore. And I hate to say that, but they don't need us. That they can go to the grocery store. They can get a job. They can they can get it, they can make more money than you. They can get an education. So we're renegotiating the contract. And the question is what are the terms gonna be. That's what we're dealing with. So and here's and and going back to that that that infrastructure you got more

africanare always gonna be Africans on this planet. They're always gonna be Africans in America. But the question is is this f b A, this ATOS culture isn't gonna slowly shrink, shrink, shrink because we don't get along That's why you see young black men, especially middle school You guys who have children who are middle school age, are they dating black girls? Ask yourself that we gotta you see young black girls. They're dating all more so, you see this culture dissipating.

So Kevin realized that he realized he loved black people. He has a black daughter who's twenty one years old and a black mother, and he's watched her board. The man had twelve siblings. His daddy had twelve other children by I believe twelve other different women. He saw what his mother had to go through. He wanted her to do better. He wants his daughter. He wanted his daughter to do better. He was screaming in Holland, and he

wanted to get married himself. The reason the man took got married a couple of different times because he still had hope. Even now, the man had hope. You see what I'm saying, And it was only recently said I just I need to He started dating out more, you see. And so what I'm saying is, and I hate to be like this. They're always gonna be black people on this planet. But this culture that we have called atos,

it's toxic right now and we don't get along. And until you have more people who genuinely love black people and who are really to scream at us and holler at us and fuss at us and hurt our feelings, it's gonna dissipate. You said something that was very profound. It's like about the duty and and and it was even probably like two years ago. Women always hurt. Women say I need a man to court me, I need a man to date me. They use its anonymous right courting date. So I went and looked at both words,

and I looked at I looked. I looked at both words, and I looked at the history of courting and dating. And I didn't realize that dating was a new phenomena like the latter part of the fifties. So women were like, well, I need a guy to be I need to be courted and dating two different things, because courting was what you were saying. So our grandmothers and and great grandmothers they were courted and courted men. I met your father, I liked you, I liked your family. Hey, you come

over my house. We're gonna cook for the man. And it almost interviewed the family for the woman. Yeah, this dating ship didn't start into the late fifties early sixties, even with white women, because what people had is what he said, there was in power that had more money, that would been moving around more. And then me and came back from from the war and they had disposable income, so they can go out more to dinner. Well before and then when a woman said I'm old school, old

school was even you would even me. And if I had a daughter and I wanted him to her the date him, I would even send her to his house to clean up. Now, so now when women say I want old school dating, I'm like, well, come on over in my career, because that's either that or do your history. Because that was courting right that into the late agree that it was a whole different duty, as my man said, Okay, well,

he repeated, Kevin, it was a whole different duty. Right, So we first have to even know what we're saying, because you know, I hear women say, oh I need to be courted, well really, well, okay, well I need you to watch these clothes. So I mean, because that was part of course, it's the exchange. Yeah, it was

part of it was part of court. I agree. I think that there are women that are not responsible in dating or courting whichever word that we're going to use, is like their women have a responsibility also in the dating process. And I don't think a lot of women even in marriage sometimes a lot of women don't don't bring it, you know. And Chirsteve Harvey say that it's already as yesterday he said, ends to a woman, it's

eighty five the woman and the man get fifteen. I was like, no, he said, when you're in the marriage, so you know, men and people sometimes say it's fifty fifty or whatever. He was like, no, he was like he was saying that. He said that it's eighty five. The woman, she gets eighty five ship out of the

marriage and you get fifteen. When I believe a marriage should be fluent because in some instance you might get the woman might get eighty five, right because whatever that is, I might be provided a certain thing, but then sometimes I might get so hundred on most sides, you know.

That's that's that's why Kevin Samuels was so effective because of sempass niggas like exactly, Steve, That's why he was That's why he was so expect we want men want to Men want to hear men, men want men want to hear men talk about women like men talk about women like not how simps talk? Were men want to hear men have real conversations about relationships. It ain't not true.

It's not true. You don't want to hear it, Broods revoting podcast will be right back after Street tell us about some of the positives and you know what, you know what I'd rather get it? Direct this to the women. Do you are there any positives that came from Kevin's

uh information that he imparted on on us? Did you get any did you did you bring back any positives conversations like these, I think that starting the conversation for us to really sit down and do the dirty word amongst those close to us are in our own communities is important. So I think just starting the conversation so we can begin to understand each other, and you know it, guys from there, because right now I agree with you

is not okay? That was good? I think I would say, I would say just a lot of young men who came up without a father definitely looked up to him and relied a lot on his opinions and how he felt as well as there's a lot of women Black women who came from single parent homes so I didn't have that father figure and are looking for advice and

genuinely just don't know what to do. And I think when it came with setting expectation of just being realistic, I think that was definitely relatable in that regard, But I still feel the delivery could be a little bit every We'll stick to the positive. Yeah, I agree. I think he brought some intent to hold people accountable um to what they were seeking and what they were asking for, what they were expecting in relationships. But again I just I don't agree with the mean dad. I don't agree

with it Erica and what she said. I agree that it made people have to really look at themselves, which is something that they didn't because you know, like you said, you think you a hundred, and you think you are a hundred and sometimes you're not. But he pointed out outside of just looks, why you might not be that hundred. So you just can really see who's what's your market is in a man that you need to be looking at. So yeah, Dennis uh Well, Kevin prided himself from being

accurate and effective. And when I said effective, he got people to get married, He got people to stay with their husbands and not get get divorced. He got ladies to go back with their baby daddy's. And the reason I know is because I've and receiving testimonies from hundreds and hundreds of people who said I listened to Kevin Samuel's and I stayed with my baby's father. I just it made me re evaluate my women. I reevaluated my my marriage and decided to stay. I myself was through

with American women, not just black, all American women. Yes, the system that we live in is unfair. Truth. Why would I get married and then risk half my wealth and then have to go through another divorce again? It's not worth it. But so so what I'm saying is now because of Kevin Samuel's I've gotten engaged and I was done. You see, I mean, I'm telling you when I was done, I would I had a fifty thousand dollars airline bill fifty dollars because I didn't even want

to be here anymore. I dropped out of the dating scene and used in as a nice dating thing. Right. But but my whole point is he's giving man, he's giving person. He's giving men hope again, men who have options, who have the world at their feet, that they're fit, beautiful women. What do you call FBI fit beautiful? Is? I couldn't keep up with these academs if I want, But you know what I mean, And so you know,

I said, I'll give it a shot. I joined this mixed Facebook group and next thing you know, he was on the Facebook dating same time man. I wasn't on the day I was done. But he got him a white woman. Absolutely not she she's she's black and black as me. You know what I mean. But but bottom line is, I'm not the only one this man has putting people back together again. You know, he by putting

other people back together again. And I talked to his best friend Jeff, probably like ten times over the past week. He was proud of what he did, putting people active. And it's not just black people. I got people from Australia saying I stayed in my marriage. I got people from India calling me saying I got back with my husband. I have a better understanding of men now I see

it from the man's perspective. I'm a young man, He told me to get off my button start working eighty hours a week if I had to stop waiting around and be the best man I can be. He called him Henry's men, young men who are a blue collar electric and he loved blue collar guys. He said, look, you know, white collar guys, y'all ain't nothing. That's the blue collar men that make this world keeping. The ladies

need to stop passing these men up. These are good, solid man and you're pass them up because they made a lot of money too. And whether you like it or not, he was effective. He worked and had he been able to continue going more years, he had been more effective. But you know, the most high took him. It is what it is, and it's left upon us to continue his legacy and protect it so that others don't come along and malign him because what he did

that was effective will go away and be diminished. And we allow these outsiders who are angry because their feelings are hurt. Right, And then so we said, well we can't listen to him anymore, you see. So this is where we are. And on top of that, man, like I said earlier at the top of the broadcast, here, the man had plans for making hundreds of millions of dollars and revitalizing you know what was once Wall Street. This man from Oklahoma, he knows very well what happened

in the Tulsa race riots. You understand what I'm saying. What were some of those plans, you guys? O man, We went up to New York and look, I don't just go because people call me. We went to New York. We went to New York and we met Jose's Anega. He's a famous YouTuber. His brother is a lawyer. He has his whole family working in a warehouse in Brooklyn,

multimillion dollar complex that they read. He started off in his mother's house in Florida doing YouTube videos, moved forward in his college dorm room, did that, and basically what he's done, he's been advertising hey, building himself up in his popular alreity on YouTube. His brother went to law school, he came back, and now they got this complex in Brooklyn that they revitalized and they mark it to the same people that have been watching them on YouTube for years,

making tens of millions of dollars a year. And this is the same thing Kevin had in mind for us. The members of the black YouTube Black Mannisphere. He brought me in for infrastructure purposes, and he had two other guys engineers, another attorney, and and basically we were gonna put this together. But you know, he's dead, you know, and so nothing's gonna happen. But this is something that

that could have happened. I mean, you know, so, is there anything that you can share with us about his memorial? I would prefer not to because this know, there's a lot of quacks out there on the internet, you know, but I know it's gonna be private, and I just want to. I wanted his mom to be able to get through this. I want his daughter to be able to get through this. Um. You know, they they're very

they're strong women. I mean they're a good, strong Oklahoma raised sisters, you know, and um, you know, I just I just feel really bad for his mom. I didn't reach out to them. His best friend, Jeff called hit me up on my office line, and you know, I'm still sulking in kind of in mourning. He said, I need help. You know, you got these people calling and they're trying to talk to his mother and she's frantic and the little girl is crying and I'm just trying

to figure out what to do. Is my best friend. We never met before, but he talked about you and some of his other friends, and so he reached out to help me. So, you know, I started making phone calls. I put the notice out, hey, don't call this woman, call me. And some of the people who did call, like some of the newspapers. You know, I gave him a few choice words, you know, legal words, of course, no threats, and UH made him back down, you know,

because they need time to to to breathe. But as far as memorial service, the thing you need to understand is that Kevin has been returned home to his mother. Is his worldly assets are with his mother. Everything is with his mother and his daughter. And what we need the public to do is just to leave these people alone. You can argue with Kevin about the merit to what he said, He would argue to to death. He believed in what he was doing. But leave this woman alone.

Let this old woman who had one son who died, leave her alone. Who wants to die, who wants their children to die before them? Put yourself and out. You say you love black women, all these black women's I love black women. Why are you doing this black woman like that? Because you don't know what your son is gonna do. You don't know what you don't know what what just and and Kevin didn't have a criminal record. Why we don't have the same energy for Dylan Ruf.

We don't even know who Dalan Ruf is anymore. Why we don't have the same roof for that boy who shot that man who shot Trayvon Martin? Where is that energy for this? You're attacking this black man who didn't often but love you guys enough to scream and how let you and say getting married? Lawyer expectation, that's what I want to know. That's that's I hope will be his legacy. Maybe not lawyer expected, have realistic what's the difference, But that's that's I don't want to you know, that's

it part right there that you shared. Everybody won't get the luxury of knowing that part where this is all premises from, like where it all started from, you know, and listening to you speak about it, I think can impact the way people receive him because he definitely didn't expel or expose that part of him, you know, because in listening to you and talking about like his relationship issues. It sounds to me like there's a place of hurt where a lot of this is could be coming from

um where the intent is good. He's heard just like Willie, he sees our culture agreement, I mean, And so his voice is used in a way to help to be expressive and to motivate women to do better based off of his hurt and his past and what he's seen and what he's experienced. But I don't think a lot

of people will have no, not necessarily you don't. But I based on what I'm hearing, I'm only speaking off of what I just I'm speaking from what it sounds like, you know, and it makes it makes sense, It makes it makes sense. We won't get the same all of all Black Americans. That's why he had the man advocated therapy so much. All Black Americans are dealing with some sort of trauma degree, especially growing up in the past

fifty or sixty years. Most of these men have not had their fathers and not had decent men around them to teach them how to deal with their emotions. They don't know anything about themselves, much less a woman. And so you know, the man said get therapy. But you know, like, here's a crazy thing, and I'm I'm gonna say this. It seems like people from other races and ethnicities they understood him better than his own. Hmm. That's what I find And that was probably one of the most disturbing

things to him. But you have to understand that there was no explanation. It was just coming out the gate um, you know, reacting to women and telling women this in an aggressive way. You used. You can't talk about a lot of his own personal experience, so it's hard to really give someone the benefit of the doubt that they're intend is good or just listen to what you got to say. Yeah, and most people did. I would say they did listen. But when it's offensive sometimes and but

it's coming from a good place. Sometimes having that background is helpful because people listen with different years, it's not so offensive. At this point, you can say the exact same thing. But because I know where you're coming from, it's it's really not going to bother. So let me ask you a question. I educated women right with with with what was the highest level education you've achieved? I have a bachelor Okay, so you've had professed that you

probably didn't like right. You might not have liked that. I had plenty of professors I didn't like. I didn't like their tone, I didn't like the way they came across. They might have been had a bad day, they might be racist. Whatever. I go in front of judges all the time and I don't like what they say. But it doesn't matter because I'm a grown up and I understand that I have to separate the bones from the

meat and take and do what I No. It's not just it's about being an adult, and it's about having an adult conversation, and so we have to be more mature. So it's not just to accept that right because that's how you pay your bills. I don't. I could quit. You could, but it would impact your life significantly. I could if it meant that much to me, I could. But if it's helping me achieve my goal, and that's what he was trying to you, it's not just about

that because they are police officers. The police officers, it's just like being a business for yourself. There are police officers that will pull you over on the side of the road and they will purposely try to prove, and what we as black men of learning is that we can't respond to otherwise we might get shot or billy club At some point. You have to just listen and

follow instruction. I get that, But we're talking about a man trying to get married personality that you're talking You call him for advice, right, I get that, that's part. I get that you and he and you don't like the way he's giving you that advice. What I'm saying, when people know where it's coming from, it's easier to hear. Are always going to hit everybody differently, and again they're not for everybody. But the good thing is his messages

are still there. So for those of us that didn't hear everything, we can go back and listen, you know. But again, it started these conversations, which for a man that says this was of such importance to him and he was pushing this movement and there was this bigger picture, then it's still there for us to go back and revisit these conversations. And so I can have different conversations with women when they are like, oh I don't like him,

I can I can bring something to that conversation. Now that's a little more valuable, and and that's what these conversations can do is help us really press his intent and really kind of stabilize how women are thinking about him, because I think it's it's it's being perceived very negative and it doesn't have to be. Podcast will be right

back after. I want to ask a quick question. So you say, you listen to Kevin, right, and you've got some out of it, right, So what is it that Kevin Sammus least for all the one they said they listened, What did he say that you will apply to your life now dating life? And I don't have an answer for you. I just said that I didn't disagree with a lot of things that he said. So you don't learn anything from what he said. That's nothing that you learn.

Where you could say, I will now apply this, or I would when I look at it man, or I'll you know this will helped me through this, I'm already applying it, I would say, I'm I'm already applying those things right, just in general, even from what I said earlier. As far as you know, you you date, who you're among, you know, So example, she she may not know all the people she's not in my circle. She's not around the people that I know, so she can we can have the same job, we can both be tens, you

know whatever. But because we're not in the same circles, she might date, you know, somebody else, and I might date you know, like, the people that we date are going to be different. I'm aware of that. I know that, and I so I'm going to carry myself a certain type of way, and I'm going to expect a certain type of sing I've never said you was like a number. No, I never said I gotta have somebody that's making you know this million dollars, but you definitely have to match

me or more. Period. That's a number. I think you should be real. I think you should if you learned anything from him, you should live in that truth. That is my trip and saying that you just you don't have to make a certain number, but you require a certain type of lifestyle. You've already established I have a great lifestyle. I don't need that. That's that's not what I need to accomplish. When you say fial, match doesn't exactly match does not have to be all about money.

So she her lifestyle because you're so so saying keeping this because this is one of the things that my platform talks about, is that with a lot of themselves every day, and that's why you can't get where you need to get. If you date a guy, you should have some number in place. And listen, I got sisters and I tell them all the time, you should have a number in place because that allows you to know what what you know, where you need to be. It

focuses what you where you need to go. And if you're saying, well, I don't have to have a guy make more money than less, he could make less than me because he asked you said, he has made as much as you are more than she chimed in with a good girl. They mean, I don't know how men call hypergamy. Hypergam that's the term all that's when women's

when women date up as opposed to down. You would not as a woman, we would not as a human race, have survived that women picked men who were lower than them in status and wealth and the ability to provide your designed to date up accepted. If you didn't, we would have died off a matter of fact, in the Black community. And I think if Kevin was here, he would agree with we need more hypergamy. We need women

to choose to date up as opposed to down. But but the problem, the problem is, the problem is if you're average, right, or if you're a woman who and this is where this is where the controversy came in, Like this is it. This is the problem. The crux of the problem is no woman has a problem with hypergamy.

They have a problem when they're locked out of the top level of men because they have children outside of wedlock, because they have weight issues, because they have made certain decisions in their life that have caused for them to finally be able to date. But there past a certain age. That's the problem. The women who have locked out of that high level of men are have a problem with it. So he's saying, look, don't believe what these feminists told you.

You're gonna find you a husband your years from eighteen to twenty two. You need to be finding the best man you can possibly find. Don't wait till you thirty five. And you got it with a PhD. You got a PhD. And now but that's my issue though, because if you don't be honest with yourself, I think one of the probably want to get married and I think the biggest

problem with women that they're not honest with them. Says the woman that you're speaking of, that thirty PhD and the dog right if she wants to get married, are her choicest slimmer because of all those things that she had. I don't think. I think what I think what Kevin was pointing out is doesn't really help qustions lest in the sexual marketplace about about don't don't If a man had a PhD and that translated to him making more money, that probably would help him, But as far as the woman,

it doesn't really help. You don't believe these lies the society has told you you being fit, feminine, sweet, beautiful, cooperative and intelligent and having a PhD. Oh, that's awesome if if you're at a certain age. But if you're fifty with a PhD and you're not get treated like and all those other things, you know, well, if you're fifty and you're with a PhD, you're not gonna get treated like and you're making a hundred fifty thousand dollars a year, you're not gonna get treated like a man

who's fifty PhD making dollars a year. This doesn't matter to you. Then, Um, Let's say a woman is between the age of thirty five and she's doing pretty good. Let's say she makes like sixty Yeah, she's okay for just her right? Yeah? Does getting her body done enhance your interest in her? Or does it subtract is natural? Does natural still matter? Yeah? I think you know it depends on you know, I mean, right pace? Does that enhance the mark? More checks now look different on social

media alone? A lot of it is not the gym body fit, right, I'm asking just natural matter anymore? Or as long as you have this society standard of what beautiful is? I think I think that that's a good question. But I think that's more on the guy. I think that's a matter. That's something that like that whole made up, you know, Nicki Minaje, Cardi B. And why is we trying to put people's names in this. I'm not saying,

I'm not saying overly done. But for a lot of women, they feel they need to keep up up, who have what point? Here's the thing, Here's here's what you're saying. They have to have that surgery because they're trying to keep up, because they've lost ground. Over the past fifteen years from you know you're having a certain let's say they have it at thirty five. They're not the same person they were at twenty or twenty five. That's what they're trying. They're trying to keep up. Well, I don't know,

you know what I mean. That's not honest with yourself. This is what honest and what you actually can't have. And I think that's worth women. Missy miss him said, that's why they're unhappy. Like, that's why a lot of women are unhappy. When I asked his sister, because she what she did to do that makes fifty thou kept talking around it, right if you don't, but something that makes every black man makes it album. You said you didn't have a number, So that's a number, right, No,

I said more than member. That's her number. Right, So she does have a number, and we know it starts at overtollars. No, the thing is an average black man in America makes forty two dollars a year. Average man that the average white man in America makes fifty one dollars a year. How so that's value. No, that's an average, isn't the average? Guys? Because that's on the spot and because then we're gonna in that be simone category, like we're like shipping on the average man. Or I think

that's not you're not shipping on the average man. If you're honest with yourself about saying you need an average man, maybe you need an average man, that's what he was saying. If you be honest with yourself, you might be like I might not mean average around a woman average. You go around and asked women the magic numbers six figures. Most women have six figures in their head. They may not say it, but they need would don't belong to you? How gonna give you that right? But most women? But

if that's what most women, I might. But if that's what you're looking that's what you're looking for. Never be settled. You'll never be settled for less. If you always wanted something that you can't have, you'll never be really comfortable with something less. If you're honest with yourself and say this, maybe where I need to be right like her her situation, she might need to mess with her brother to make fifty bucks right, because that might be the dude that

works well in her situation. Because if you because if you mess with the dude. They say, make a hundred and sixty Do that make a hundred and fifty bucks or two hundred bucks? Then that that guy, that guy, that guy has more women coming at him because everybody wants that. And the more you check those boxes, the

more women are in his pool. So you saying, well, I'm gonna go in with the pool with all the women if you six four, two hundred fifteen pounds, make five hundred grand of the year, you know, saying, have a nice will educated. You know what I'm saying, You're intelligent. You know what I'm saying. Everybody want that dude, right, everybody won't that dude. I know that for show. Everybody want that dude. So if you go after that dude, his pool is this big right where you where your

pool go down. You know what I'm saying, you might need to be fishing in the pool, just like speak. But most women like them shales about what they want. You know what, those people don't even try to talk to me. And he said that too, He said, what the under they don't even I don't want to say that. I don't where you ain't normal places. I go to Davenport most of the cat said that makes it be some unders what I said, most of the I don't care. How do you know when you look at them? Man?

How much money he may really? Hedn't say that. I said, who tries to talk to me? I know the people who who try to talk to me? So with me, no on who's trying to talk to me? I know who you are. Those people don't even approach me. And I'm not saying what do you think? Is the what do you think of this percentage? Its father? The women of men that make a hundred bucks more a hundred thousand, it's not a lot like what just anywhere? Just what I don't know about to ask you to guess, I

can't tell you what you know? What do you think? Women? I always do that. We'll just ask a lot of a little bit. What do you think? What do you think? What do you think? What do you What do you think? But I think it's probably in the middle. I'd say, what do you think? What do you think? The proceeding if you had to get my family were talking about population. We're talking about it general population. Maybe the proceedings the now should know percentages about nine percent nine percent? So

if you think it is thirty percent. You I know because they bring the W two and sure I know what they make. Most of guys don't make a hundred bucks, so there's only nine percent. Everybody wants someone that makes more than fifty k. I've never approached the man I said, you approached me, So you're saying that nationally that has never So I'm not whatever problem not you're saying percent of the male population you've got left. So I want

to see that. I want to see I want to see that Google, because there's a lot of now, not nine of the people. You know, I'm not talking about hustle cats. Ain't something about there's a lot of drivers make you have how many team talking about on Black demographics dot com? He's correct, are you on it? Nine percent of black men make a hundred men in the world?

It might be I think the number might have rose risen to about thirteen percent of all men make of all the men in America, thirteen percent of them making a hunder grand, hundred grand or more, a hundred grand or more. If we we as black people only make up twelve thirteen percent. So if you're saying that most of the dudes that you met, make a hunted books. Not the question. You said that approach you make a honey bunk. You said that the lower ones don't talk

to you. That's what all she All she addressed was the lower She never addressed anything regarding her number lord than her doesn't approach, That's what I said. So he said that, now you're just talking something. I don't know how you quantify that did because I'm like, if you can somebody walk up to you and they started talking to you, you'll be like what you looking? He was not. I don't know, I said, I'm just I said, I'm guessing, and she is to be guessing. She saw W two.

You know how, I date pretty much every man that I've ever dated. For it, right, I've met them through someone. That's the only for only those are the four dudes that I talked to. Wait, wait and now you you we've been around each other every time. Wait, every time we've been out. I'm around what a group? Right, Nobody's gonna approach me when I'm with this group, and I don't talk to none of them. I keep when I go, when I go, am I lying when I go out somewhere.

So you don't when I go out me, I'm talking about me. I'm not talking about nobody else. When I go out, I surround myself with the people that I feel comfortable with going out. You know who I beat with? You know, Okay, No, they're not toppoach you because no one, thank you associate exactly because of association. They don't because of what they're associated with you, Like they can't exactly. So it has nothing to do with what I would accept.

What intimidation okay, let yeah, yeah, not even no no no no no no, not with me, No no no, not not eximidad with me. No, not attimidated with me, not with me, with the situation I'm in. That's a difference now that she's weird. Like I said, I'm not saying it's like I'm not gonna it's like family, I'm never whatever, but I've never t I don't know. I

don't like to go out. That's why always, always never, But you are around were not exactly like because you don't know who I always and I'm not with anyone, but you just don't know, so not like oh you look scary? Are you got? And it's nothing has nothing to do See, this is what I'm talking about. That is what I'm talking about. Hate UM. Kevin Samuel's death has sparked the conversation among people all over the world, and specifically men and women, about the harsh realities of

dating and relationships. R I P. Kevin Samuel's no more talk. I appreciate you'all. This episode was produced by Aching and brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network at I Heart Radio.