The Dope Heads NFT feat. Tow Down and Mike Frost

Don't get it twisted on code and we danceing for no buttament biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar faces in the building Collective Louis are the ghetto boys. Reloaded, reloaded with another episode of inflammation. That and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world in the studio tow down and Mike frost Man, y'all been in the game like your frost y'all been in the game for a long time. In twenty years twenty no, no

more than twenty years. How many years? Seven years total? Twenty seven years for you and the same. Yeah, I was, I was doing punk rock and like rave ship now we're doing rave parties back in and then I started yeah, okay, all right, so so tow down when Ecstacy was begging back then, you know what I'm saying. You know, come on, man, you came in on the rest, Mrs lant I what you're talking about. You came in on the rep side in entertainment industry, and Mike, you came in on the

photographer designer side. And wow, man, it's been a it's a lot has changed since you know, history. We've lost a lot of a lot of people since then. Good people, Yeah, good people. Right. You know, I think I met you through black Cat, right, met you through black Cats. Black Cat man, rest in peace, black Cat, you know, not the same thing. Um. For years, I can never use Mike because I was with black Cat, so I never got an opportunity to really um work on projects with Mike.

Even though we work on the same projects, we never were in the same building. We're never communicating, right, And I recognized this talent. Even back then. You could put album covers up on a display rack and you knew which one was pinning pixel, You knew which one was Mike Frost you knew which one was Black Cat and Pixel. I haven't heard that name in years. Bro. Whatever happened to Pixel, Well, you see the only person standing right, So I mean, but you know, rest in peace. Black

Cat he had some throat stuff. But I mean, really, I've you know, there's times where I wanted to use Mike Frost front album cover and because we office with Black Cat and we did things with black Oh lord, she was with Black Cat. Mike Frost, you actually designed the first Ghetto Boys reloaded idea, right, Yeah, it was who designed it. It was the pint that y'all couldn't use it because it has a gun on it. Yeah, yeah, I did that one. Just keeping a gangster. I went

to Mikey Frost. I call him Mikey Frost man my dog a yeah, man, we are. The funny thing about that stories. I actually went to Pennepic soel we get a job and got turned down and then uh you started Bush years. I just wanted to be in the music business and I always drew pictures to like music, so I didn't care what type of music it was. The and uh, you know, they didn't get that job.

I went out in the world, did a couple of album covers for like Orbit Um and the Kama Kazis, and you know, back then, I just you know, I was charged with fifty bucks Hunter bucks. I'd raised it every time, but I just paid attention to, like, who are the cats that were working hard? Do? Man? And that ship blew up? And you know it's kind of crazy. I like to call it the Frost effect. The Frost effect. Yeah, you've you've done work for legendary labels, Rap a lot,

swish the house, dope House. Who else have you worked with? Man? I'm useding through and through so everybody in used to just about dope house, wish your house, trade zero, you know, chamillionaires, click, slim thugs clicks. I was like I did. I was doing everybody stuff at the same time. Now, when did you get your starts for us? Like that cover that you did, And everybody started saying, like, we need Mike Frost,

I want some of that. Man. It really started from the first one because it was it was the Koma Kazis for Orbit on the North Side, they had a band called Kamakazis. Pooney wasn't that band Orbit? Did it? The video director like Homie that came up designing with

they were all on this group. I did a cover for them, and then Russ at Big Time saw it and he had me do some stuff for his his label, and then some some kickdoor bandits It's from the North Side came to me, just some span bandits, and then Jesus I saw that poster and he was just looking

for something different. But you know I just had I had the right price and the right look, I guess because I wasn't, you know, with you men didn't have like nine skulls on fire with big old chains of dogs coming out of and then actually got THEMN front. Do you know? My only option was to go just go with what I knew. I had to go raw as funk and I had to outwork everybody else, and

that was the only thing on my mind. Like even now, like I'm finally back in that mental state that I was in back then, I always wanted to shoot my pictures. I always wanted to shoot my pictures to be realistic what I'm saying. I wanted to bush it to be realistic. I didn't want to have a fucking house withood car sitting on top of it. You know how one amus it to look like it really looks in real life. Man, Yeah, I got a question. I got good question for you.

So what made you want to get off into the rap part of it? I know it was a stepping stone, but what made you want to get into wrapping it? And did you take the ship serious or was it a joke? Were you making you were you making fun of motherfucker's who thought they could flow? I'm serious about it. You know. It all came from I had a really good supplier of some hydro this and listen, I'm I'm speaking facts like I already fucking no, we ain't got

to the good point. We're just talking right now, coming up. And so back then there wasn't a hydro around. Either you had Northern Lights number five or super Skunk. I'm bringing back names super Skunk, right, So when you have that as your business card, doors tend to open fairly quickly. And so at the time I had saw my friends get these record deals like pokey, gotta offer like wait a minute, gotta offer like screw, gotta offer like these my dudes, and hold on, what ship? Let me do

something right? And so at first I knew I wasn't the best rapper. I knew my skills were ship, you know, but I was determined to figure it out, and so I got me a mentor. The first one was gris

Um producer. The next mentor that The next mentor that really impacted my life and my production was Pimp C. Shout out to the you know, the country rap tune was originally supposed to have Pimp C and bun By, but they just came off big Pimp And then we're asking twenty five stacks apiece yea, And we just paid twenty grand for our entire studio, by the way, which we gotta sell to get the promotional budget to promote our album. So did you sell the studio? Fuck? Yeah,

we did. We did not that studio the one before that, to get the budget for the by Prescription only album, the very first, that's right. So by prescription only, we did the pill bottles. We stuck the one sheets inside the pill bottles, and then we did everything die cut pill bottles and h Bernard, my brother, and then Black Hat. You know, Black Hat and Bernard would get together and they have these sessions and their minds would go wild

about marketing. Like my next record was chicken fried steak. So we did chicken fried steak boxes, stuck the TV you know, stuck the T shirt inside the TV dinner box, send it out. A and RS didn't enough. They needed to put it in the refrigerator. Program directors didn't know if they need to open it and cook it. I mean, it was just mass. It was just mass crazy pandom on him when we did a record because people wanted to see the marketing. They didn't give a about They

didn't give a shit about the music. Oh the music has every Houston legend on it. We'll funk, I might as well pick it up too. Who's this white dude todown by the way, And that's kind of what it was. I was always that that guy in the background where you see on the video for two point five seconds where I'm draped up for like two point five seconds. Wait wait there you know there you go? Yeah, toe down? Yeah, all right. That's always how it kind of a fan base,

don't I do? I do well? It comes from that grind Are you hid right now? Sucking a rud? I am with the name to doown. You're not gonna walk around, come on, like walking around? And I expecting you a gangster motherfucker. I'm not. I'm cool man. So so talk so talk to us about how uh you got the deal with Silvia wrong? And and then and and tell me how you get his homework. He does. So my brother at the time was not only my babysitter, but

my manager. He was, you know, the the executive producer, you know, applying for all credit cards to get us a budget, you know type ship. So he would go to the bookstore back when the word bookstores, and he would read about the music business, and he saw contracts and what music contracts were. And then he talked to everybody who had a fucked up deal. He talked to d m D, not saying DMD had a fun up deal, but he talked to everybody who had a fund up deal.

And he talked to people who had deals at that time. And he figured out that hey, listen, if I ride into the contract that every nine months you have to pay me in advance. Plus I won't be shelved. We have nine months to move on this record. Let's get it out as fast as possible. Drop two singles if you're not confident in us, and drop us from the label. And let us move on. So my brother had written that into the contract before we even signed with Sylvia Rown. But to back up to tell how we got to

deal with Sylvia Rooms a whole another story. Back when we first started doing music, we didn't understand the whole thing with the program directors and the consultants. So when we finally understood what the deal was with the programmers and the consultants, we would make sure that everybody was consulted. And so if you were a DJ at the box and you needed a brand new pair of shoes, you got consulted. If you needed the new PlayStation, you got consulted.

And so we were out there hustling taking that weed money. Hey hi over here constantly, right, So we were able to promote endlessly independent like that. And then what happened is somebody heard the country rap tune over at Digital Services and then from them here in the country rap Tune it immediately went to Walter D. Walter D got it on one of the rotations. The rotation starts, you know, the mix, uh, the DJ mixed meeting and ship like that. So we got picked up putting rotation. We got Houston

on lock. Then we got Dallas Online to top ten markets equal a record deal. And that's how we got to do with Sylvia room ore In Lump who was a promoter at the time. He was the one that came in and said, Yo, toe down, I can take you here all the deals that you need to possibly be looking into. You make the decision where you want to go. And we talked to everybody. We would talk to Atlantic, we talked to UH Capital, we talked to everybody. It was like you were on the draft and you

could pick the team. But they don't want brings. They want platinum plaques. And so you know, me knowing that, I took full advantage. You know you're gonna take me the strip club. You're gonna you're gonna, you know, bust me out of state. I need some scrimps, I need all that, right, So they would fly us in and out of New York and but are already knew who we were going with. He already picked the most amount

of money. They give us five hundred thousand dollars as an advance and a five hundred thousand dollar video budget, and every nine months they had to give us our advance plus nine month comes. We finished shooting the Country Rap Tune video. Spent five hundred grand on the Country Rap Tune video, the most expensive video before Beyonce. They had h town look it up and it is what it is. So we had cars flipping on the original dukes of Hazard said, Poke out there chilling, he want

to take all the girls home. Hawks out there in the barn rapping. We're doing car chase scenes. I come home, I have a tour bus in my driveway that's wrapped up to this towdown Country Rap Tune. Electra didn't press up one CD, then press up one poster, then press up anything. They said, your contract, it's an envoid. Now don't worry about it. We're good. They were dropping us. So y'all gave all the money, saying, I'm saying you gave it back in the sense of spending it on

the video. Well, no, no, no no, the video of No, we got five thousand in our pocket. You know, we got five from them though they had to spend the money on the video. So Sylvia Rohm said, wait, we're in a month number nine. We owe this white boy another one point two million, and we gave him a million. We're gonna be two point two in the in the dirt. Let me just cut ties and get out of here quick. Bernard and her would have these conversations. We would be

in Louisiana, Alexandra doing our own store displays. She's trying to get the record replayed at the same fucking stations that we've already had it playing for the last six months. She's trying to get an old record new life, like drop the next single with a little flip. Everybody wants to hear flip right now, drop the next single, a little flip. She didn't listen to Bernard, not one fucking time, and then she would call him back the next day and oh, baby, how you doing today? What can I

get for you? Do you need something? So so you guys never made the cartonalmost mistake that many people make when they signed with majors. They think, once they signed with the major, they don't have to work anymore. They're gonna let the major do. The major's gonna do everything. We thought the first thing. We thought the exact same thing until we had our first meeting up there with them, and then they said, okay, what do you have for marketing?

And we Bernart said, wait, wait, y'all are the machine. We're here because y'all are bigger than us, she said, But y'all got the records played in Houston and Dallas. Just go do that in the other cities. Now, I thought y'all were the machine. And then they'll do this. Let's take that offline. Well yeah, let's take that offline. Yeah, let's take that offline. Well ship. Pretty soon everything gets taken offline. Who in the fund is communicating anymore? So

what you advise new artists today? To be independent? Uh, Chris toward the major's you can do everything yourself easier, faster, better than we could back then. Being independent should be the only way you should think. You know, if you want to get with a major, think about what you're willing to give up for that major deal, right, because at the end of the day, it's just a bad loan shark agreement. It's the worst loan shark agreement you getting.

They're gonna get all their money back first, and and then some and then if you don't send somebody in there to audit, they're gonna get you right and left on bullshit. On packaging we sent out and we had to pay this graphic designer this and La Da da this. Before you know it, you're all your checks gone away on bullshit. I remember they would want us to print the shirts in Houston because we could get them cheaper. Then they'd want us to fed x him to New York.

Then we would go to Miami to a conference. They had FedEx them to Miami. We would leave from Miami, go to l A. Then they had fed backs and FedEx them from Miami. By the time you got done these T shirts for you know, sixty seventy five dollars. Damn you can't. You can't win like that. So that was our first experience with a major. So we had all this money. I wanted the ball out, go get the car in the chain, but I was like, no, stupid, We're gonna buy a house in the studio. Black Hat

comes into play. Don go buy a house in the studio. We're gonna have everything set up and you can just crank out records like and so we brought the house in this studio and then I started working on Country. I started working on Chicken Fried Steak, bringing in other people. Bud came in, he wanted to stay in record Flip came in, he wanted to stay in record. Everybody want to stay in record. And then I that good back there little little waynes in town that you have age,

where's your recording? Hey, you come use our studio. How are we got some weed? If you want something killing, Mike, come into town. This is what it was. If you needed a spot to go get high and record, there's only one spot and that's where. That's where we're at for a long time. You like to avantage of digital equipment to its studio, right that. Yeah, so we're the We were the first all pro tools digital studio in Houston. I remember going to the Guitar Center dropping twenty five.

You're trying to see that you had digital sound before digital sound, I had no, no, no, I had pro Tools first in the city. That's not true, correct me if I'm wrong. Mike Dean was the first of my oh much respect, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Without my humble's apologies to Mr Mike damn. Yeah, we know how to wait. Wait if you got it before ninety she was on pro Tools. I mean yeah, because every time something new came out, we had it like

the next day. So so the same thing happened, right, But we're in with the with the pro tools and the sixteen IO two's so the first rack system where they expanded it to the Control twenty four. Y'all seen the Control twenty four right, it's to control right. So we're the first to have that. We're the first um in that sense, you know, no disrespect to any producer out there that was on a beta tester. They probably had Mike. I know, Mike had a way before I did.

Mike always had fire stuff. So but in that sense of instead of using a full analog tape system, we're using a full digital system. And we basically had all this digital stuff. And a guy by the name of Skip Homing Skip Shout, Skip Home, Skip Home and said, well, Mr Todown, if you want to come over and learn, you're more than welcome to. And I said, all right, let's go, and I took my pining in my pad and we mixed chicken fried steak from beginning to end.

You know, he came to my house and taught me how to work pro tools. Now I went, yeah, Skip Homing Pro Tools school is what it was called. Yeah, in in the middle of the Ghetto Boys session. But you know we're gonna get into there. I just beat it up. Well you forget man? Dog? How you why do you do that? Dog? Bring it out? I don't want to talk about that ship man. I came in here to talk to toe down man every time? Bro? Whatever going out? Where? Well, I'm done? I love you, man,

go ahead, will you? No? Man? You can treat me like a redhead step child? Bro, And that's cold black man. And I resent that because he don't have hair. I resent that. This that's code blat Little Boys remoted podcast will be break back after the poet so so to down. At some point the money had to get mess step in order for you to get caught up. Did the money getting mess step? Is that what made you switch it up? Or you just this opportunity? No, this is

what happened. In two thousand and eight, Steve Jobs decided to start sucking the industry by selling songs for a dollar. I didn't even ask anybody this. I'm gonna go sell them, fuck y'all. So what happens? We make seven dollars a record whole selling them through Southwest Wholesale, getting it hundred thousand records at a time, getting it we're getting it right. Seven dollars of records seven hundred grand all day long.

Money is good. Well, now that songs are nine nine cents to download, nobody buy and that ship no more. So we went from making seven dollars a record of seventy cents to download as a record label. As an artist, you're making a percentage of that. Said, but one might say, well, why didn't you take the money that you have, that good money and make some better choices. You have five hundred thousand, you go buy a three hundred thousand dollar house.

You have a hundred thousand all You have a hundred thousand all worth of a hold on, hold on, wait wait, I'm gonna back up. Okay, hundred thousand alls worth of equipment, living expenses for a year, etcetera, etcetera. Okay, now that the cash, Now that the house is paid for, it's an acid you can pull money out of. Right. So now there's a mortgage on that house. So if the fetes come in and try to take it, they can't because there's a mortgage on the house. So you prepared.

You knew these motherfucker was called all day I was going to prison from they called they actually gave you or your I don't want to see an organization, but drawing trafficking organization. Was the first time you heard that name to Terrio drug trafficking organization, first time I heard that ship. No, lie, I'm withdrawing from like a hundred hundred pills a day, like habit, Right, I'm withdrawing, sweat tangling, withdrawing. Right,

I'm in handcuffs. And I hear them start talking, man, its to society, threat to the community, a danger to others. You're in court right, No, I'm not reading. I'm withdrawing. I'm listening. I'm barely there. I turned the banar and I said, man, that sounds like a gangstter motherfucker. He said, stupid ass. They're talking about you. And right there they said Terrio drug trafficking organization. I said, well, what the fund is that? And I was like, that's you. You're

in the federal courtroom. I'm in the federal courtroom, just going through it, like, oh my god, I don't think I gonna be able to survive. So are you in You're in the federal courtroom right, this is this is my third arrest. So you know, I mean, I Ken Shaffer told me not to get arrested the second time. So this is what I'm trying to figure out. So when they arrested you, the fans came and got you. That was the third So how it all started. So we were coming off of CD sales being seven dollars.

We had one last check coming from Electric for like fifty grand. The Escalade needs his car payment, all this ship, everything, all the bills are do. It's thirty grand a month basically to live on. Right now, right, you got a fifty grand nut left. What do you do? We go by are, we put a down payment on the house and we start our first girl operation. And I was like,

all right, let's get it. So you know, um my buddy from early on who brought me the stuff, he was doing it and he said, hey, listen, if you want to do it, I'll set you up. Got set up and my first harvest, I killed it. No, I literally killed the plants. I didn't actually killing the ship. Paul up like set us back exactly, set us back for six months. B that's some goodass timing right there. I prov I think thirstays I leave at you man, thank you sir. So after that but I was like, bro,

what the funk are you doing? Because at the time I'm mixing records, I'm going hanging out partying all fucking night, and I'm trying to grow weed. Well, I understand I can't party off night trying to go read. This is serious. This is a serious business. Now, all right, hats off, let's go, let's go get to work. Six months later, I get the right recipe, I get the right ship, I get the right equipment. Every ninety nine days, we're

killing twenty five pounds boom every ninety nine days. Problem is, you want to get twenty five pounds, what sh I can dump that off to one person. It's not including Bernard's people. So now I need um. I was telling them I was selling them for fifty six hundred, but OAR was hostelling them for four thousand. So I could get I could get six d qp four hundred from like my homeboys and ship, so I could get fifty

six hundred all day long for a pound. I just had to break it up four times and I'd get there. But what the problem was is we would sell twenty five pounds and we don't have anything to replace it. So those people are going someplace else to get that weed. Now, so how do we get more weed? We we got to open up another grow house, so let's go open

another one. So we figured out that with twelve. So we figured out with twelve grow houses, you could have one come down every week because you off set it right, So one week, plan house is growing, Next week you plan another one. Plan house is growing. Next week you plan another one. Plan house is growing. So twelve weeks later, every week you're popping off pounds. How many? How many of these? And how what was your goal? Did you

have an in goal? A number of mindset? I want to let me tell you, well, it's the best time in my life. I do it again in a heartbeat. If my mom wasn't alive, I swear to God, will sign me up. I'm ready to go right now. It's

legal now, right? And how do you feel about the fact that you did seven years for for something that they have legalized, people are making money or it's over a ten states has has legal marijuana now and they said it has medical locked you up for seven years for that, Well, let me tell you a funky story behind that in just a second. But at the time, we were doing stuff. There was no end game because we didn't see that far into the future. We could

only see twelve weeks ahead where that harvest ended. Right, because at the time Pops was in a nursing home. He needed twenty five grand for his surgery. You gotta take care of all your family members who've been taking care of this whole time. Remember that thirty grand a month bill that's still been rolling, you know. So basically you're living harvest to harvest. You're not like bawling. Yeah I got Courtside Rocket tickets, but I just put it in the budget. Yeah I got a six cunder bins,

but I just put it in the budget. Should I learned from electric put in the budget in the budget and figure out how to go make that money for that budget, it'll be all right. My brother always said that there was never a budget that I never ever got to exceed that I didn't want to do. So I could always spend the money very very very quickly. So three homes, three cars, Austin boat, uh parting every night five six thousand a night, like just dropping it

this cash, I mean, I can't take it with me. Meanwhile, my brother, he's a fucking nut, squirreling in a way, stacking it all, kind of sucking stashbots in the house. We get arrested, my second arrest, he says, go in the fireplace when you get out, and reach up under there and then look to your left and pull out that bag and get me like what the fuck? So I go to the house and sure enough, in the fireplace up to the left, this motherfucker's got some money

stacked all in the fucking walls. You would go into the you would go into the A C. Register, and inside the register, he built shelves to stack the money, because who's gonna check inside the A C. When he would hide dope. He had hied dope in the shower, because who's gonna look in the shower. My brother was on another level. Why motherfucker's were trying to figure it out.

My brother was on the branding. Why if you had a favorite weed and you came into town and you needed five pounds and he knew your favorite ready just right on the back for you and hit you for that extra body. My brother was on such another level on the illegal side. I always the business man. So when you have when you have that as a backup, you go spending freely. I know my brother got me. I know my brother got me. I don't worry about

I know my brother got me, right. And so that's the way my brother and I have always been bonded together. You know, our relationship was galvanized early on. And then we get you know, I get arrested the first time. Would you get arrest for? So I go to the MTV Music Awards right bawling. At the time, snow Queen Vodka was our sponsor, so we had a little extra money. And so I get a phone call from Bernard he said, by the way, I got Ken Shaffer on the line.

I said, yeah, what's going on? Mr Shaeffer? He says, Brian, when you come into Houston, you're probably gonna be arrested. And I was like, what four? He said, Well, the Harris County Sheriff's Department has uh rated your house and found some marijuana plans. How on the fund did my house get ready? Only four people know about my house, me, my priest, my brother, and my ex. I did the priest do it? Because so this dumb bitch, She starts Pillow talking to her new husband. Six months after we

break up, he gets caught smoking crack in the school zone. Right, He's got a little side piece. Little side piece tells him, Oh yeah, the guy i'm fucking is the chief detective. Are the are the sergeant for the Houston Police Department. He can get you off to any case. So he goes and tells him, I know this rapper who's growing weed. Can you help me with my case? So they bring a dog to my house. They say, the dog reacted right, what was the probable called not to cut off? That

was the probable call. The dog, the dog reacting with the probable calls all day just stuck that case right up their ass. So we're about to get that case. We're about to get that Listen. He put the dog up there. He said, how many times does the dog get positive? They said, we don't keep those records, y'all don't. What's the difference between a trainer and a handler? What do you mean? I mean? It was straight gangster ship that you see in the movies for real. He goes

after it. At one time he said, hey, listen, I can't do with your brother. Either you have him represents you or you have me represents you. But I can't do both of y'all. I mean, it was that type of level of thought that was going on. So we're going which one of your he couldn't do. He couldn't do Bernard because I was already signed to him. See one thing about he got James Kennedy. If kid can't do it, he's gonna tell you straight up. If he

can't do it, he don't tell you straight up. Well he could, and he's not gonna take your money and not give you results straight There's a reason he's number one, y'all. If y'all ever get in trouble, can't shafer? Yeah, yeah, And we're not talking about no dope boys stuff. We're talking like billionaires. And I'm a yeah man ship, y'all welcome. Can I get executive producer credit? No? But so we're about to squash the first case, right. He says, do

not get arrested, toe down, whatever you do. I'm a good little boy. I got all the weed out of my house. I'm just going to the Rockets game hanging out. I'm not even selling the dope anymore. I'm just going to the studio to record. I'm not reallyving fucking with the stuff. So I'm laying in my road with night piece in the bed. I got some party stuff on the ons, stuff bro the cocaine, the ecstasy cocaine. Yeah, I'm relaxing. I'm relaxed, relaxing. Yes. So I got my

two cousins in the house right there, chilling. I'm here in the of course, they're rolling blunts because I got all the premo stuff from the girlhouses. I get all the choice nudge brought in. Why not go at it. They're up there, they're sitting there, rolling up. I'm here in the doorbell going off. She says, who's at the door. I'm like, what, ten o'clock at night? The fun is at the door. I'm in my road, you know, come on?

He opened the door. Fort Ben Sheriff's Department opened the door. Damn. Now, at the time, I started watching these stupid ass videos how Never to Get Busted, And there was just dumbass white dude on there, and who had this dog training ship? Right, it was always in the back of these high time magazines where I was looking to buy seeds. Anyway, so I kept seeing this ship how Never to Get Busted DVD two Never, So I get this ship right, and you know he's explaining some gangster ship at the same

time he's explaining some stupid ship. But this this, this point, I took the heart. He said, if you ever get confronted by a police officer, you don't want to open the door because if they open you open the door, they smell something that's probable cause, he says, So to prevent that, just kindly tell them. Have your dispatcher called me on the phone and explain my warrant. Move back to my scene, my house, Me in the road at the front door, Cheff car Sheriff Department, open the door.

Can you kindly get out? Get out? I get the king, my fat ass to the back room, trying to dump that ship in the toilet as fast as I can. I get the plate. Before I get the plate and put it in the in the damn fucking toilet. The dudes on top of my back, I'm laying flat on my back on my bad like all right, don't move. I'm like, fuck, my dog is loose. Bits. You left the front door open. That was the scene that night for my second arrest. So I go to the Fort

Bend County. No yet, because I don't have no fucking weed that I'm being arrested for. Why are y'all even here. We went to your brother's house and in his sixty square foot to state we found twenty five motherfucking lights growing, you know, fifty pounds of marijuana. Yeah, what does that have to do with you? Exactly? Well, they thought that I just moved it from my house to my brother's house, but I didn't. We grew out. We grew The first house is together at the same time that one was

just still running because we have Ken Schaeffer. If you get Pop, go get Kent, you get out, no problem. That's the game plan, right, So listen, grow weed, save you up some stash in case you need a lawyer. You get Pop, go, spend the money on the lawyer, you get out. We thought that was the game plan. Well apparently not on my third arrest, right. So Pops is in the old Folks Home. He diing he needs

a surgery for twenty grand. We just got busted. It cost a hundred and twenty five for each of our bonds, plus can't shaffer that's another three at the end of the day. That was with the federal ship too. Although in the federal he can't do stuff because his hands is tied. Because that's the whole racket in itself. So I'm gonna break that down to me. Well, i mean, when the Fits come get you, they got you, yeah, because he can represent federal court though here he can.

But what I'm saying is that, like I've had conversations we can't about the Fits, and he's like with the Fits, and like you're on the chart with the police on a hunch. Oh, come kick down, you're doing ship. Now you gotta go through all this bullshit watching watching, They're

listening for weeks, months, years. When the motherfucker's come. They put the cameras on top of the lighthole to monitor the studio so they can see all the cars that come, and then they would go get other lightpoles in front of their houses to to monitor what they were doing. So my brother he would go to Kroger for poker night every Thursday and Saturday night over at the studio, and he had bringing a whole bunch of Kroger bags, right, Well, they thought his fat ask was bringing in dope and

the Kroger bags. They were totally off on everything that they did. But the problem is that you're in an orange jumpsuit in front of a jury. You think you're gonna win the prize for the same offense. You know what I'm saying. So I know I'm I'm gonna I'm just gonna sit down. I'm looking at a five or ten piece. I know I'm going, But damn did I

bring my brother with me? I bring my cousin. At the time of my rest, there's twenty one girl houses, seven of them got popped, had one girl houses, and you didn't have a goal, which is just just because just like that happened, because stuff like that happened. We'll listen, when when your dad is dying, when you already spent two hundred and fifty tho dollars on the lawyers, the car builds are due another thirty thousand on a monthly notice. There, what are you gonna do? And then like that? But

they're depending on you too. But here's here's the thing. This is, this is one thing that I just failed to get from a lot of guys in the game. A lot of times guys don't have a plan. They just the only plan they have is to sell more drugs and buy things, you know, and that's it. But they don't have an exit strategy. They just go in and they're just doing. It's like it's gonna last forever. It's not a real job, it's not a real career.

You're involved in criminal activity. At some point, you get a hundred houses a thousand, at some point you got to know that you're gonna get popped. And I think everybody is aware that the odds are very bad for guys who get to retire in the game. But still nobody were not nobody, but very few people actually has an excess strategy. So here's my rest verse reward thing. Right, I calculated in my head how much money would I be okay with to go do prison time per year?

And in my number was half a million bucks. So I knew, this year, what are you willing to do? What are you willing to do for that? Right? For that five meal piece? How much time is that five mil piece worth to you? Right? Right, I'm cool with that. That means I gotta have five meal put up. Right, So as long as that was there the risk verse reward,

how can I get to five million? A sup? I was prepared to do ten years as long as I could get to that five million, you catch, and my first house produced My first the first house Bernard was in, the six square foot was produced ten million a year. That's um after the end of the day, probably about three million of that. But you know, again, Bernard was a different animal than I was. So the excess strategy for me was always ever Bernard wants to do, and

Bernard had franchise ideas lined up. But when you're making so much cash money and you compare that to a franchise like Dominoes, it's like, we're gonna go through all that headache, make sure nobody's stealing the fucking pizza out the back, and be there twenty four hours a day. All that, let's just grow some more dope. Uh how much of a toe? And well, I know you'll be candid too. I don't think you have a probably asked me this question, how much of a toe do you

think that had on your parents health? You guys going through So I'm a product of old sperm. My dad had me when he was forty eight, so my dad was already elderly. When I was picked up from elementary school, they said, yeah, that's your grandfather. So you know, dad had a you know, you know, all fucking you know truth. He married someone twelve years younger than him so that she would make sure that somebody would be able to

take care of him. So my mom and my dad were already up there in age when we are already doing this. You know, we had already been successful in the music business. The whole weed thing was something we did on the side to help our family and our friends have extra income. Hey, I just lost my job. I got a baby on the way, can you hook me up? I got a house cool, I'll bring in the girl equipment. You run the stuff, I'll teach you how to do it. We'll split it fifty fifty. When

it comes down, I'll come pick up the weed. I'll bring your cash. You're good to go. And so most of my family members said, can I get a job? Can I get a million dollars a year? And so that's basically what it was, right, It was me helping out other people. Are there any of those people that you helped out who who did well? Who took the money and ran and are doing well with all main ship and all of them all of them turned Did this get up on the witness stand, did you did you? No?

I didn't. I was testing them that I would go to trial. I push that on them, you know, trying to play my cards. But I don't have very many cards to play, but I was pushing it like that. But then you see your So in the federal system, in any court system, you get a thing called a discovery, and the discovery lays out how they how they put the case together, so you can figure out who Jim Bob was talking to, at what time in the morning,

what was going down. So you get your discovery and you and when you see federal witness and then they give up the game and you're like, wait a minute, that can't be Kevin can it? And like wait a minute, that can't be Josh can it? And they're like, wait a minute, that's my own cousin's paperwork, transcript buddy transcript name on it. But just to be real, their family is telling them, Hey, you do what you need to do to make sure you're right, but you can't blame

them for that. You can't. Yeah, but you got down with it, though, man, that you knew everything. He would tell him. He would. He even told him, Hey, we've been arrested twice. We're about to crank it up again. The likelihood of us getting caught is extremely high. Are you in? And they would be like that, yes, let's go. Yeah, you can't. You can't blame the parents of the family and friends for giving them the advice to look out

for yourself. But you can't blame the people who who took that chance and said, I know what it is, I'm signing up for this. You you can't hold that that person should be held accountable because, man, you go out that man, and you know what it is. If you do something, man, do your time, you know, do

your time space the consequences. You know, it's too many suckers out there, man, there's too many people out there that that wanna you know, ball light and have fun and kick it when everything's going good, and then when they go back, you know, yeah, should change. Yeah. Bard, he's you know, a little bit larger than me. He's in his underwear and sitting out handcuffs behind his back, chilling on the front porch, and he gotta worry about family members that are about to turn on him. That's

you know what I'm saying. And listen, I've told you. I told him early on, Hey listen, I'll do all the time. Give me all their time. I'll do it myself. If you just let my family go, I'll do twenty five. I want to have a problem with it. And now in that but they said, hey listen, if you don't sign this plea agreement, if you gave one dollar to

your mom, we're gonna get hurt too. And they twist and they turned until somebody starts talking, oh, you got a gun and you were caught with these Tarryo brothers, where there's another five years just for you. Buddy, you're gonna do fifteen years for the Terryo brothers what they do for you. Man, you'll be on six months. Just write this statement. I did so. Um. I was sentence to eighty seven months. My brother was sentence to seventy months.

Uh thanks to President Barack Obama, he signed in the law that ten uh non violent drugon finders could get received ten percent off their time. So that's what gave me the idea for should have been. So here comes this thought non violent drug offenders. Why are they doing fucking time? Why is anybody doing time for dope? Why? When I got arrested. The arresting agent said, you know, in five years, this is gonna be legal. I said, why are you even arresting me? Then he said, because

it's the law. So it's funny how they always say it's the law until they break the law themselves, because they loved breaking the law. But he knew what the outcome was when he was arresting me. You knew this is a bullshit. They were betting on how much time I would get, the arresting officers that were betting on how much time I would get. Man, I'm gonna tell you when I saw it, when I saw that damn headlines, I was like, I mean, I didn't laugh. I didn't laugh.

I don't laugh about ship like that because I know it's I know how serious it is. But when I saw it, I was like, the fuck whoa? You know, like you have been over there before you did fucking but not. The coolest part is I had no fucking idea that you was, you know, that big in the game like that. You you had a fucking Mokia named

after you. Bro like the Terio drug trafficking organizing with the reco Act bro hold on, I'll go ahead, No no, no. So when we're getting sentenced, you're in the FEDS, you're done on a chart, right, So on the side there's numbers that go down. The further the numbers go down,

the higher your sentence gets. Okay, yeah, level Kin Schaffer and I are standing up there together while I'm being sentenced, right, Ken has certain levels marked off where he thinks we're gonna be at, you know, thirty six months, twenty four months, eighteen months, like all right, Judge starts speaking. He says, and we're gonna give you four points for being a

leader organizer and the Tario Drug traff Fingal Organization. And when I give you one point for maintaining a place of manufacturing, my number went from twenty four eighteen, it went all the way to thirty six, fifty six, seventy eighty seven. I was at eighty seven months. I got four point enhancement for being a leader organizer and something that a bunch of fucking dope Edge went and started growing some weed. We're just friends. We're not no organized

organizes at least thing. I couldn't get five guys together to come help me cut the weed. It's harvest time, bro, We're gonna be smoking. Everybody hated cutting weed because you had to cut it all at one time. It was a twelve hour said, and you were sucking. You were like, they're with scissors for twelve hours, and everybody hated it.

So we're bringing people we had put you know, we would take glasses and we put tape on the inside the glasses, and we put you in the car and we drive you around five or six times and pull up to the house. You start cutting, and twelve hours later you come out and everything that you are on just sticky and smells like weed. You can't get it off you for a couple of days. Like wherever you go, you just smell like a pound of weeds. Boys and girls, if anybody offers your job that requires you to be

blindfolded to go to the sward. These were people that we knew, but we didn't officially trust all the way, right, you know, people you play poker with, or people you trust enough, like hey, man, you need some extra money. You hey, you need bucks and all the week and you can smoke in a night. Come on, girl, boys. Reloaded podcasts will be right back after the poet. But so let's talk about dopeheads and f t s. This is your you guys, it's joint venture. Uh I saw

what a Johnny Cash is your executive art director. How first of all, how did all of that came to be? And how did you guys come to hook up with Johnny? Okay? So yeah he got so um. When I'm locked up fighting this case first the federal government and they call out law library, law library, and you get your pen and pad and you go to this law library that's in the Federal Correctional facility, and you think there's gonna be some tools and equipment there to help you mount

an attack against the federal government. And you look at these old asked books that look like your granny's encyclopedias, and you're like, wait, they're using Google, they're using snitches, they're using everything at their disposal. And I'm supposed to use these books in mind an attack against the federal government. Yeah, man, I'll just take my paper now. That's how I felt, And I was like, that's a shifty feeling to have.

So I said, the next major thing that I do, if I ever get a chance to get the spotlight, just one more time, Jesus please I'm gonna help free non violent drug offenders. There's no reason why you should be doing time behind some fucking dope. And so that was there for real thank you, real talk bro. The truth part about it that the same people that's locking you up they do drugs too, every weekend. So that's where the idea came from. Then at the time, my

brother and I were released from federal prison seventeen. But I was like, what do you want to do. I'm like, let me give it one more shot at this rapping ship. You heard some of the songs I was doing all the country ship all that. So that wasn't making us enough money as my brother flipping houses. So my brother and I start flipping houses, doing the real estate thing, putting, you know, putting some good paper in our pocket. COVID

hits kind of get shut down a little bit. I end up getting my real estate license during this time. But I started messing with this thing called cryptocurrency, and I start making a little bit of bread, just regular cryptocurrency, putting a little bit of money in and multiplies taking it out. At the very beginning, I was just on bitcoin and ethereum, on robin hood. So they weren't even my coins. I was just on their platform and I

didn't even get to possess the coins. So I learned crypto in about a year passed by, and I'm sucking with these things called n f t s, and I'm getting in these community discords, and I'm getting on these pre cell white lists, and I'm able to to buy these n f t s before everybody else, and then as soon as the cell ends, I'm able to flip these for five and ten times the amount. So an n f T is a non fungible token, So that just means it's it's something property you can't touch. So

think of it as this. Think of it as like a digital trading card. Okay, digital trading like a jose Can Saco rookie might not be as much work as you know, compared to a Johnny Jim Jim Jim ha rookie. Right, you know, they're both baseball cards, but one has different value. And that's what non fungible means, one having different value but being of the same. There's there's actually that's and

that's the current state of people's understanding of it. But the underlying technology of the n f T it's actually can replace like user name and passwords. You could do anything that has a unique I D that needs to be secured and unchangeable. It could be your house D. So to think about on the business side of having that on the internet. Now you've got a user name and I D. Like we're using it for to give people access to do business with us on topezz. Like if you have the n f T, you can buy

merch you can buy things that whole cell. You can actually come in and work in profit with us, just like a corporate vendor list. Yeah, I'm I'm fully aware of how n f T s operate. You know, I'm the president of talent, the Acquisition and n f T department at side time. Oh nice, so we're talking to the man over here, I know. So for our listeners that are out there listening, uh an n f T could be a piece of artwork, it could be uh an opportunity to be a part of a community. It

could be multiple things. And so this being the new medium, right, you attached the social cast to it and now you have a movement. And so before this came about was the idea and it being a social cause and Mike had posted something on Instagram about him menting his first n f T and at the time I was talking to Johnny Cash begging him to give me an opportunity to Hey, draw these characters I have in mind. You just draw these characters for me. I'll help change your life.

Just trust me on this. Just give me too. Whatever your salary is for two months, let me know I need you for two months. I'll change your life. And so he committed the first The first character he drew was Buddy. Which one is Buddy? Buddy, it's in the middle. And so as I as I reached out to Mike Frost and say, hey, listen, I hear you're in the n f T s. Let's get together on some stuff. I got some ideas I want to run past you.

So I bring him, you know, the Wrestlers of the Metal, the masked Wrestlers of the Metaverse, where we could do the wrestling mass and do all the changes stuff exactly. That's exactly what he said. So he said, that's trash. So idea after idea after idea. He sees Buddy and he's like, I'm in, let's do this. And the Buddy and forty ounce and and shum that's Melvin. Melvin is is assurance. So yeah, the Mushroom, his name is Hall Passed.

You got Hall Passed, Buddy and as a man characters, So so we have we were throwing names up and that's what stuck. So we have a core of characters that are all kind of just weirdly named. On our intro and we go to our website. We produced a couple of short animated UH animated cartoons, one being about bootleggers Beware. So there was a rap a lot story that we heard about a long time ago that when you were selling their stuff, they would show up on you.

Just watch the cartoon if you want to figure out what happens next. So we took the idea and ran with it. It's been lighting up the internet. It's very funny. It's all in good humor. And uh so the n f T what it is. It's an animated series. It's a toy and collectible line and that's the nucleus of it, to help provide funding for non violent drug offenders. Have

you it is? Have you ever? Um? I guess came across any resistance you got, you got detractors out there saying that, Hey, you know, you're perpetuating this negative image the time. I say, that's the hook I got you talking about it. Now, now let's talk about it. But you get into our community too, and you start realizing real quick, it's like a real positive thing. Yeah, we're not necessarily promoting dope. What we're doing is bringing education

and awareness. Hey, listen, you heard my story. Now, now you can make a better decision than somebody saying just say no. That's what I was told right growing up our I was just told just say no. They told me that marijuana doesn't have any medical value. So what y'all been feeding me has been bullshit the whole time. Let me hear someone else's story, and that's where we come in. We just provide a different form of education for you that. Hey, it gets the conversation started. Now,

let's have a conversation. When you see this image, you click on it, right, and then you go find out, Oh, they're helping up free non violent drug offenders. Oh, they're an animated series, and their toys and collectibles. Oh, there's so much more in this nf T. When when I when I heard about this, I wasn't surprised he was behind it because you're renting game. But I wasn't no surprised that Mike was involved because Mike is low keily, laid back. Man. I think it was me that. Yeah.

I was just like, this is what we're doing. If I'm doing anything with you, is that right? But I have you know, I'm Mike is really you know what though I not think about it. He's like a mass notis he's one big back then ship be up to all kinds of ship. You don't know what's going on. Looked at the computer doing something. I looked at the social cause I looked at this. I had a Switcher house cover I did that had almost similar characters like

fifteen years ago. Um, and I just you know, like a lot of things, whether when it comes to design, like man, I just know certain ship when you see it, and I was like, that's it, that's what we gotta do. Some of it is like we're at this um precipice of like you know, people are taking the shrooms and and mushrooms and they're taking things for medical purposes all over the place. Um, growing up and doing all the hip hop I'm talking about me for medical purposes the

uh you know, with the social cause. From doing all the rap album covers, I actually got to see firsthand, like I'm I'm I hate the drug war and what it did to people, so I was behind that on it. Um it's just man, I can tell you like it. It's really been all gas, no breaks on this. Instantly recognize the idea as a hit, and like, I think about it now since I've been business partners with them, and I've noticed fairly quickly, but me and him has just been hitting it like Harden and Fat and getting

this stuff done. And I was like, well, this motherfucker did put together a bunch of grow houses, you gotta wrap studio and a rap album video like no wonder this is. We're moving like this because the hustler put that in the game, Coach that that you are man, you are a hustler. I want to get down with what you want to ship in some some capacity because I'm down. I'm down with the non violent offenders. I want to make sure that they get out and get

on their feet. And then too, I like the idea of you know, some n f T type ship it's done, say less William and I want to work on an album, but characters, isn't almost that I will do this car. I mean your careers as animated characters. I mean it's less work, more, more notoriety. I mean we have open positions for both of you. Guys. Listen. We believe in sharing the wealth. Were tough. Hey are you guys doing south By Southwest big time? We are. We are invading Austin.

We have two rap vehicles, both with sixty five in displays. We have over two hundred and twenty five people who have signed the Front Street Team. Yeah, it's going down. That's good man. We got these giant heads made of all the characters like Blake jump in the marsh pits of forty good hands came about Buddy. Is he gonna be there? He's gonna be there and his girlfriend baby. We got girlfud, right, we got a girl, Bud. We're gonna make a scene in Austin. We're gonna need to

be in on this. It's done. Say less like what I need to do? Um, we'll talk to since we'll talk off camera. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really want to ask some more questions, but I want to ask. I'm good. I think, I think we are. I think the follow up is gonna be even better because I see this going somewhere, you know, And it's beautiful that you were able to be able to pivot and catch your snap man, because I'm gonna play you something, man, um, we gotta

do better. Hey man, you gotta do better. And and y'all, y'all, y'are too smart. Man, you know what I'm saying. And I know everybody has told you this before. Y'all really too smart to get caught up like and and the reason but it happens to the best, it's because that lack of opportunity. And so what we've done in our community.

When you're in Discord, there's ample opportunity. It's almost has a prerequisite that you be a felony to come work with us, because if you can voice the character, or you can do animation, or you can pass out a flyer, you're part of this community. You feel like you're part of the community. Two d and twenty people signed up for the street team in a matter of minutes. We're hiring from the inside the community and people that support us.

So the cool thing about Discard, I'm saying, it's for the audience at Discord because people don't get on it. It's probably the best software for managing a fan base and building a business. I'm going to do a voice over thought on the characters right now. You listened to it, right now, then let me finish, man, So go ahead with it. You know what, now you forget what you wanted to say. You're gonna try to pass. As a matter of fact, I can do a voice over all

three of these characters. So I went back. I went to Merciless, was an old friend of mine, that ratting Houston span it dude. I went to Devon the dude that was the only person I was just like, I gotta have you on the carton as a fan. Now he's not buddy, he's He's a character called Dubie the dude. I love Damon. Shout out do Melvin right quick with Melvin sound like uh? I think Melvin a sound like this. I think Melvin might be a little bit too drunk.

Men just came on. Melvin just came home, college girl in bed with another dude. Action bit like this is the scariest where you get huh. I think that's carried you at They come home and slap the big act. Listen, we are in C. Seventeen, pg. Thirteen. Sometimes yeah, yeah, we make although we might advertise on porn hub and that's a marketing strategy. Doesn't mean when we launched it, we're gonna get the motion capture stuff and set up the animation studio so we can get out there and

live actor and ship. Like what you said, actually make it in the cartoon. I'm gonna make the cartoon wrong the first couple similar I did the first all hard with from the inside. The community too on this project, like community. So we have a discord of over ten thousand dopeads. We have a Instagram of over time. Okay, so this this dope hands the whole community right now, Like I just put you are amazing with this ship. You start movements, man and and and get money from it. Well,

come on, I'm not stupid. Look, so we got ten thousand dopeets online right now, all chatting twenty four hours a day all around the world Australia. Uh you knowing four hours a day. Not for clarity, do you have to be on drugs to be a dope pet? Now there are doctors and there's like people with like real jobs and stuff in our community and they and they help out because it's about drugs. It's about helping free non violent drug offenders and people with substance abuse problems

like drugs, like wood drugs. I mean, what do you define it? Like the drug drugs? Illicit products like like Cocaine's a drug? U heroin, heroin, heroin, heroin, um percocess. That's prescription mana heroine? Are you? Yeah? You think you think that weed is a drug. Now, we're just not a drug. So you work around with some weed now. I just don't like it. I don't like to smoke. I don't like putting nothing, no smoke in my body.

Will you told me one time and somebody actually get you a uh I'm edible ate it and he was hot you No, they didn't. They didn't slip it tip to me. This woman was walking around my restaurant with a with a bag of damn goodies and I was I was hungry. I was hungry. I didn't know the damn thing wasn't edible and it was just like some cookies, right, So I asked her about I said, I said, what you got that I'm trying to support. You know what I said, I said, what you got that she's like?

And she was an old black lady. She was like some cookies, and I said, I said, don't care about what you said. I said, how much? She said turned. I should have known something. You know, people be selling a lot of stuff over price these days, so I just felt like it was gonna make cookie or something. So I just gave it ten dollars for the cookie. And uh, I said that man, and ate the damn half of the damn cookie before my food came out. I ordered some food, so I ate half of the cookie.

My food came out, and this was Super Bowl Day two years ago. I ate the damn half of the cookie and then ate my food and then finished it off like it was dessert. Man, Look, look I went. I went to my buddy house. I went to my buddy house. I get to this house. I'm sitting in the theater like watching the game, and all of a sudden, I'm talking and the guys, the other guys, they're like,

and we're laughing at everything. Man, over that bad. I'm thinking, I just got a good buzz drink because he had pulled me a drink when I got it pulled me some some rocks. So I think I just you know, just buzzing a little bit. Yeah. So all of a sudden, I'm listening to what they're saying. He starts to happen in slow motion. How still at that point, I'm relaxed, like totally relaxed. But I'm like, and so I started talking.

I started trying to measure my words because I don't want to look like a food, So I'm trying to control, you know, what my words coming out. Some I'm speaking, but I'm starting to notice, like this ship is coming out in slow motion. And then when they say something, I respond seconds later, and I'm like, okay, chill the funk I ain gonna say nothing. I'm just gonna chill. So I sat there and I was like, well, I gotta relax. So about five minutes later start doing it.

I'm thinking I'm having a heart attack. That up so my boy, uh, well my heart start. I don't understand when first it started doing a little bit something like any time something going on, he stug getting and then and then it just started who So I was like, I turned him up, boy, I said, he said, huh he h hen behind He's like, huh I talk. I can't. I ain't got no volume. I'm like, he said, he said gold that one one. I said, that was your first time. That my first time ever. Dude, Hey, now,

when did you realize that? You were like, you ate that edible? When did you realize? I was like, because I know it wasn't a drink it I only had drink that much drink. It was straight drink. But still, I mean, it was just a regular drink. But I caught my snap. I was like, it was that goddamn fifteen dollar motherfucker cooking cookie. He's never gonna forget. I

was like, it was that cookie. So and I told him, I say, while while the paramedics was on the way, I'm telling my boy, I say, he said, he how about say so when they come, when they come, they come in there and they they took me up and all that stuff, and he said, well uh, And I had to tell him. I said yeah. I said, yeah, I haint edible. And he was quiet, like, don I hate edible? So he was like, what did your mind? He said, yeah, no, I hate straight up. What are

you gonna do? Arrest me for you? What did your mind? Go through and you saw that I was an ambulance. Man came the em come in. Did you walk up to me slow? No? No, no this point. At this point, I'm just I'm trying to control my life. I'm like, I'm not about the fucking die in this room. In this it's somebody has It's not time for me to die. I'm not sure. So dude was like, well, the good thing is you're not having a heart attack, and he said,

but we can get to check out. You're still you know, take a ride, go get checked out or whatever else. So I didn't ride an ambulance, but I had my guys to take me over and get checked out. And what are you talking about a hospital bill? It's like it's five figures, man, just to go in there for five Yeah, just going there for a few minutes. Man, was a couple of hours. But it's got to be a freaking But I didn't know crazy. I didn't know what that experience was supposed to feel like, nobody, nobody

gave me here. It's I just heard stories about edibles like so you can ask like this. We have a strategic partner with Moon Harvest and they're a leader in the cbd UM Cannabis movement their dispensary out of Dallas, Texas. And what they've done is they've made edibles out of the CBD products. Some have psychoactive properties. What the psychoactive can be sucked up, okay, cool, so, and so there's an alternative where you can use these edibles too if

you have joint inflammation. They even discovered recently that the COVID nineteen cells can't bond to the uh same molecules the cannabinoids. So there's some interesting ship that MSNBC just released about hemp products cbd A. And so we've teamed up with my Mom Harvest. You can go right now to their website. My Moon Harvests get thirty percent off just by saying your dopead coupon code dope pads. And so I need to be a well, let me just not say that because the people might get the wrong idea.

You just need to be a dope because we're listen, there's nothing wrong behind and you do and you know that's my doubt when you go to the hospital. Only when I go to do it, I go to the hospital to get high. Man. I knew it was a hit. One of my daughters, like friends, had it on her the sticker on her phone and she started talking about yeah, my mom seeing the sticker and I'm like, damn. She

was fun and I was like, oh yes. So what I tell people is, imagine if you could go back with Walt Disney and at the time he was creating Mickey Mouse and Steamboat Willie. If Mickey Mouse were an n f T, how much would he be worth today, sixties seventy years later, five ten million dollars. This is the same opportunity we're given to people. You buy a dope Head n f T, you can semi customize it by writing its name in his backstory. You can audition your character for the series so you can be a

part of the series and then noting that. But we've had an interesting aspect where we're doing a delayed reveal, so you can either reveal your n f T now or you can choose to delay reveal for twelve months where you have an opportunity to get a more rare dope head in FT, we're doing some pretty funky stuff with the utilities. Can you make me a dope head monkey, a dope action figure. We're working on right now. I mean I want to dope character too. That's done. I

think you got one on your shirt. This is me see it. Come on, bro, that's that's your album cover and that's scarface, like for real, Bro, you know we're doing this an album with the Diary and stuff like that. But that's a box head though. If you really think a head, it's a block of coat. That's a block of coat. That's a that's a that's a block of cocad. He's like the You know you should see Uncle Wills.

He's got his old album cover on there. Yes he did, but see here put it up because he didn't want you to see it. I guess you know. Oh, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get your size up on that too. It's a little small. It looks good on you, but I'll get you another one. Just you know, hood's supposed to become you. Look it's good fish, good side. It makes him looks like you've been shopping on one of the fancy stores. The Berman burn Off Goodman. If it's got two names, just gotta be expensive. Oh Man

in New York, bro Big the Avenue. I bought two sweaters Man we tried to thumb. We need to get We need to get dopeads, hoodies and need in the north room. We need to get dope head hoodies and premium goods. Everybody go online in type in premium goods Houston Man and ask Jim to put the dopehead t shirts and ship. It's just gonna be big. I need in. What's the website? So it's real simple, it's dope Heads n FT dot com. People simple, We're on all social

media platforms as dope heads plural in FT. You can look at something correct, everything spoke correctly. Dopeheads n f T, Twitter, dope Heads n f T, Instagram Dopeheads n f T Web dope Heads. Listen to our link tree is dope Heads and f T so you can find us. It's real simple. Absolutely, And before we go, just let the whole fucking podcast world know that you really called the

kingping charge for real. So when they give you four points for a leader organizer role, you're getting the same points that Pablo Escobar would have been charged with that chop uh he got. You know, one more question, the wildest thing you saw? Why you always locked up wild beside beside besides the let me say this, and let me say this easy. Let me say this, ain't no

fun being in a cage under any circumstances. But if I had to do some time, that time, any kind of time, I would like to have you in there because I know you're gonna make my time little easier. You're gonna make it go by because you gotta light you lighthearted. Your fund is hell. And I know we're gonna be tripping. We're gonna talk about some cool stuff to you. Probably make some bro and I used to make the pies and slang pies man for a book. You could come get you a toe down pie man.

I had night boys slanging Cramer pies whip game in effect. I don't mean no wine that ship. I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna smoke. Did you have to You have to have at least one one squabbling that right now, do your time. I did blood baby, Yeah, they stabbing, They ain't fighting, um so you know, not on a race thing. But I was asked to be the speaker for the white boys who weren't Arian brotherhood, and so the former the former speaker told me this. He said, if you

can't talk your way. I have a situation, then you deserve to have your ass beat in the first place. So everything you approach with the group should be let me figure out a way to be diplomatic and work out the situation. And so knowing that knowledge could save my life in that situation, you can apply to And so if you can't talk your way out of a situation, then you deserve to have your ass beat. So your

your mind should be working differently. It shouldn't be worried about I got my boots all all right, let's go. I'm a company face with the one. Your mind is already thinking the wrong thing, and and and for clarity, it's not about being a coward, no, No, it's about understanding that conflict is costly. That's right, because command already right, I'm not the I am the minority in prison, right, so I'm out number. So any one of my guys goes down, that's one of my I can't risk any

one of these dudes. That's all we got. You know, we're barely trying to keep ourselves together, you know, before we got to give up, you know, So I mean ship, I don't want to lose any of these guys, no bullshit that I've done. You know. I want a particular point, there was there was an issue the Hispanics were taking the fruit that the white guys were leaving on the table that they didn't want anyway, that they were leaving

it on the table for somebody else to have. They were mad that the Hispanics were picking up the fruit and they were taking it. I said, you were leaving it there in the first place. You were, you were leaving it there if you want to take it with you. You can't be mad at somebody else picking it up off your table. I know it's I know, the tables close to the line, but you just can't be mad at that. And that that issue went on for at least three weeks, and I just told myself, listen, you

just gotta understand what you're dealing with in here. That TV is so important to so many people in there that you don't even understand. So don't go up there and touch the TV. Please don't touch the TV. And please don't do it if you're in a black TV room. Yeah, so my first lesson in prison, Right, I'm chilling with the homies, my people, right, I'm I'm not anything. We're watching the BT like I'm watching BT like we're over here together. I'm thinking we're at Uncle Will's house. I

go to change the TV, right, I'm changing TV. This happens for like three days, right toe downs up there changing the TV. All of a sudden, my brother and I are locked up together, by the way, This is early on when we're in cars rated downtown FDC. All of a sudden, I see all the black guys holding up in the thing over he Damn, I'm seeing get your glass over. Your man's going about to go down. Man. All of a sudden, my brother he's kind of looking around and he's like, oh man, it is gonna go

down in this bitch. They're gonna get somebody. All of a sudden, my brother he goes up to the cell, you know, make sure everything is copacetic. He's gonna be out the way if something goes down, you know, protect his brain at all costs. And so I'm down there, still watching TV, and I saw all the guys come out and they all go up to my brother's cell, and I'm like, they's gonna funk with my brother, Like, man, what the funk are So I'm like, man, what the fund do I do? Right? So I go up there,

and at this point everybody has left to sell. They said, I'll be a son of bit, keep your goddamn hand off that TV. They're down there having a discussion about you. You can't be touching their TV. Man. I was like, I didn't understand that. Because I was white and touching the TV, it might give the false impression that that was a white boy TV. And so they had established the TV areas and the TV sitting there, and I was disrespecting them. So yeah, people need to understand that,

like will. So I manned up and I went down the situation. I said, hey, guys, listen, I'm new. I apologize, no disrespect. I won't touch you'all TV anymore. Where can I watch TV at? And they said, tode, You're always welcome over here, but the white boy TV is down there with those tromos. Goddamn, I funk some chomos. So come on, let's go funk some chos. Usually whoever has the most uh inmates, you know, like that, that's who had the most TVs, you know, because they're gonna take

up more space. But I know you, I mean, but that's how it goes. But that's a very learning lesson, you know, space boundaries. I'm glad that you you that you decided to use diplomacy instead of, you know, being emotional and just jumping in there. Yeah, we wouldn't be having this conversation, not at all. Know. But the craziest thing I ever saw was somebody get they head bust over a scoop of ice. Yeah. Yeah, the dude that cut in front of them. The ice machine just opened up.

Dude cut in front of him. By the time the guy got the scooper, the guy was putting on his lid and the dude just almost it almost like ripped his scalp off. He had hit him so hard. And they're just blood everywhere inside the ice machine. Shut down the ice machine for like six days. The other races were mad at the I was just went on and on. And ice is a commodity in prison sometimes. Yeah, my father so hard to put that man. I gotta keep it cold. We'll come get some ice from todown. I

got five jugs. If you need a jug, it's three bucks. What's it just happened? Bro? Everywhere we go ship our first weekend there we were selling K two our first weekend there. Yeah, at the time, that was that fake weed ship. Remember that stuff was in their pants, not acting crazy. Man, I was getting that motherfucking tuna fish. Will you bring me that three fifty tuna fish over here today? I had more tuna fishing stamps than anybody in the motherfucker I was there. I mean my smoking accessories.

Why everywhere I go, Well, I don't you understand. So if I gotta pay a little bit extra some good weed to come in, I'll pay a couple extra bucks. But I'm a hustle to get it. I just come accustomed to a lifestyle that I've grown accustomed to, and I want to maintain that. Man, You've been doing that baby for life. You've been maintaining it for a long time. I appreciate, appreciate Cross, thank you, thank you, likewise man,

and you're always gonna hustling. Man, you cannot that that that ship do not get you down where you always got a way to get you some money, your motherucker, Tod Dow. I appreciate you coming out no more tops. This episode was produced by A King and brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast Network at i Heart Radio,