The Donell Rawlings Episode

on us. Don't get it twisted on code and me dancing for no buttoment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar faces in the building. Collectively we are the ghett old Boys. Reloaded, reloaded with another episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio, Dan there rolling, I just want to start by saying the level of disrespect in this room, the level can I can I let me I know I knew what's

gonna happen, the level of disrespect in this room. It's unfair. First off, I was supposed to be doing this podcast on an earliest slot I got bumped. They said, we've taken them whenever we can take them. I come, I'm on time. You not even here. You show up an hour and a half late. Willie in the bathroom doing makeup or whatever. You're getting ready for a long time. At first I thought he was doing you know, But I was like, no, bathroom, still fresh here and they're

fixing this column. And I realized that I got invited to a show filled with metro sexuals. I saw you make your transitions, say, it's a lot of things people don't know about you, right, right, and you would never share this, and I knew that it would be a platform whacker. People did not know that you regularly get manni's and petties regularly. That's a good thing, right, I

don't know. The image that he gave me was like, the only time we do petticuts if our shoes are our feet exposed, just dragging your nails on the concrete. That's that's what I thought. Real man get pedicures. But he must be no here. No, he doesn't feel uncomfortable with the cotton balls in between his toes. It's a level of discomfort. He feels comfortable with the cotton balls. He could grades the cue combers ship all that type

of stuff, and que combers on my ass. Come on, man, the time we were in Vegas, the combers that should have closed my throat up. You allergic to street ship too, So tell you this show in Vegas. I met this motherfucker right, and I'm telling all my friends, I'm like, nig, you don't even know what I'm about to hang out. We're about to do some ship. We're gonna knock a nig out with something. We're gonna do ghetto boys, right. I ain't got no gun, but I got a little

ass like one of them, like Swiss army knives. Just case and go down right, and I'm like, we're gonna smoke, We're gonna drink. I get in the car. I like to joint. This mother almost jumped out to god the car the proflem and federal problemas know. But his look on his face is like the funk are you doing? He said, dropped him off? I dropped him off and getting petty in the manny and he'd been metro sexual, metro sexual every ever since then. Now do you get

manny petties? Not not? I mean not not as often as he does. Like he got it's a rotation Monday, Monday, Wednesday. Say, my ship is when somebody say something. I know it's a proper to it's important to grouself. But he said somebody else. But I think man manicures. Menicures look good in everything and show there's pedicures. But pedicures and more necessary in my opinion, because you know you have you get lent and stuff like that, you know, trapped between

your toes and all that kind of stuff. So well you and all that kind of you you you lotion your entire body. No, I don't know. I just take care of myself. I get that because I know that, you know, as as Larry, Larry is a good character. But in real life, women don't like ash Man. Women like women like something. Women like to feel a strong, you know, clean you know man. Also women like that. They liked that, But who they like, No, I don't

think so. I think the one that just came old Tim nique as and Ship, I understand what you're saying. I think I think when women women women do women do like roughnecks. You know, I'm a roughneck myself. You know what I'm saying, I know how to switch gears, but women also like a refined man. You know what I'm saying. Women like men that can switch gears and be able to move in different rooms. I've seen his transition, even even his laugh change. Really you think it's you know,

he used to laugh, you know how to think. He laughed and just point at you where he laughed. Stop stop stop. He took pictures and he ain't laughing with you. Yeah. And he when he when he took pictures down, he bent his leg. You know how you've been your leg on the wall, he'd been his leg. You have changed, man. But I think that's a good look. He crosses his leg. Yeah, he crossed his leg like this. I don't know what you can see it. He crossed his leg and then

he made his toe twiddle. When you do your toll like that, that's the next let. I think he got that from the rock I see Barrocky doing that. Yeah, that's got from I love Barack Obama. I said, did you get that? That's my guy moving the food him. On the other hand, I got a chance to check out this show again last night, and I gotta say, man, he is probably the most funniest motherfucker off the reel, like spontaneously funny man. We had. Yeah, we agree, we

had a roast off in the dressing room. No, we didn't have a roast off. You try to take advantage of me because everybody was excited to meet you, so you use that popularity and use your legend to go against me. And you had a small audience of four people in the green room and he was happy. And Ship, I heard you saying, I told you I could do that, Ship, but I ain't really on that lane right until I told you. I said, I'll let you have your audience in the green room. When I go on stage, I'm

gonna tell your ass out. That's what I said, to which you came back in the green room three minutes before I perform and say, you know, I didn't really mean nothing about it. You really no comedian. But I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, goddamn stage, and I had a ball. I had a ball. In fact, I don't know if you want to do this as a bonus. I had that set recorded and I'm gonna tell them to cut that piece out there, and I'm

and I want you to have it. So you're telling you try to really make you got me that good? What I know I got you good because you was quiet. You wouldn't talk the same ship out there as you didn't agree though I was looking for you saying you ain't laugh all usow with some eyeballs in the in the background. And and then he was sitting back beside his son too, so that even gave me more pleasure. That was a good time. Man. Let's let's take it back to d C. Man. All started. You're born in

d C. You grew up you were you born? I was born in d C. And you grew up in Virginia. Okay, right, right now, How was that experience and how were you before you moved to Virginia. When I moved to Virginia, I was were stopped into something. But I'm trying to get that light off your phone head. That hitting me hard, bro, But go ahead. Well, I was born d C. My father moved us from d C to Alexandria when I was twelve twel years old. And that was because he

has so many baby mothers. He didn't want everybody in the same city. Right, we thought we was moving on up. He was like no, y'all can get the funk away from me with these other baby mothers. So mod alex Andrea then went to like great Elementary High School was in Alexandria. Then um, after Alexandria, I went to the Air Force. At the age of seventeen. Four years in the Air Force, I was a military police officer, which nobody, uh,

I can understand that. And my father was like, uh, lifetime heroin King Pitt, if you want to say so. For me to choose a job as a police officer, I kind of like disrespected him and his whole culture. He was like, out of all those jobs you can have, you choose to be a motherfucker police officer. So I never got the respect with his friends that he wanted. But that was my story. Uh. Four years air Force got out, I was waiting to be a DC police officer.

I took the psychological examle just one other process I was waiting for. And during that time I was like head of security for this grocery chain in DC safe Weight. Yeah, I was headed security. I took my job lost prevention, took my job serious. I made myself a colonel, just got some colonel wings to put up there. Um, if you go to my grocery store, I was twelve to twenty six, no crime, crime free yo. From the title lord to the snakes, no crime stud the stakes, Yeah,

those are the high priority. You don't know this about uh grocery language. That was like high priority in regard to things they have more. So you had so you had twelve to what I was twelve to twenty and another guy had he had one to and then and that's what it is. We we had sections, you know what I mean. He took a serious. I used to be on the radio talking police ship Rogerton for I got one going down twelve, I got one out twelve out twelve pintol beans out twelve out twelve, and then

I was snatching up. They stole everything was still in the stakes. Let me watch as my fu still. This motherfucker was staked out. He had stakes on his belt. The mothercker had a state his hat right, and he was because they always when they still, they act like they're gonna buy something, right, they got three hundred dollars with a ship on him and they're like, yeah, I'm gonna get this snicker bar real quick. And then you can see like blood from the state back coming down

inside his place. We thought he trying to kill himself. But waiting for that wait to be at d C plus police officer. And it's a good friend of my friend of mine to this day, Mike Washington. He's to worked for the Hostess cup Kick company, right. He was delivery guy, so he would he was a comedian at night, so he would go to the grocery stores and pass us free tickets. Yo, you know, because he wanted to pack the room. You know that ship, just like bring

some people and we break you off. And I started going to the comedy club and I was heckling. I would, I would heckle comedians. I was notorious. I was. I was destroying up us and I had no idea about business, right. I tried to get a door deal from the club owner, and I never told a joke in my life. I said, look, because people really started coming in here be hecko. I put them to this. I said, look, man, looks like

I increased your business about over over a month. It's time, you know, me to get a percentage of do it. He looked at him, like, if you don't get the funk out of my place, but anything. Most of the time, a heckler is somebody that wants to be a comedian but don't have the balls to do it. They want to stay in their lane and they want to entertain Thanksgiving, like Brad, you know what I'm saying, like family members like he he thought he was doing something because his

son was laughing at his jokes. I was like that, nigga, love you if you can't get your sound and left. He just gave you a kidney, nigg what do you think you're gonna do? Right? And what would I said? So I would a heckler somebody that doesn't have the balls to do it, and using the club on it was like, well, why don't you go up? The usually shut you up. So they invited me to go on stage and I didn't get scared the first time. I was like, funk that I ain't gonna do it, And

two weeks later went on stage. First time I advertised a microphone. I gotta stand in ovation and it was the first time in my life where I said this is what I'm gonna be doing for the rest of my life. I was like, the whole police ship is over. Instantly fell in, fell in love with it and never looked back. In twenty seven years, I've still been powering everything in my life from telling jokes. Let's go back to the grocery store. Can you mentioned you mentioned niggas

would be stealing stuff? Clarifile, Who are niggers? Um? Nigga's And I don't mean this in a derogatory where I'm using the same way. You know, you probably in a song or whatever and it was nigga's that, niggers that still But when you say niggas, you are you talking about talking about black people. You're talking about white people, making anybody anybody yea, and see these things. I don't associate the word digging with any race. There you go context.

It's like, right, I got you because the reason why I asked that because I remember when I was, when I was in the big house. Uh. That was this guy, this white guy who you know, I was cool with him. You know, We're sitting there watching television at the table, and and I said, yeah, at the TV table, right, And I said, uh, I said something to the fact that that nigga, right, and he he started like intensely looking at the television like for like I don't see

any black people up there. And I said, I say, I'm talking about the white dude. I said, yeah, NICKA could be anybody, man, I said, Nick's attitude. You know, it's it's not a person, it's not it's not inity. And and that's so true because January six last year, right when I turned the mother TV on, you know, and watching whatever was going on on the Capitol, I was I felt so I grabbed popcorn. I was like, this is what I'm talking about. I want y'all this

see them the way y'all think y'all see us. But you know, any any word, it's context. People get cot. And we were talking to earlier about the word bitch. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. It's highly offensive if you don't use it and write context. You tell a woman like I see you're a boss bitch. Oh okay, you see me working, You're a bad bitch. Oh sh she doing it. But if you see, if you do it bit like a Bruno Mars and Bruno, Yeah with you.

You're playing that song what's the name of that song that you're playing on your right now smoking out the window. And he actually, I thought somebody has swept the two with the word bitch. He actually used the word bitch in the song. Yes, and there's no et cry. It's not because they know the frustration of that woman that they're talking about. He ain't saying do you mean the frustration of the man the man, Yeah, he's not said, bitch,

you take a good care of my son. You know, it's like that's us ration, yo, the frustration of a man that's pretty much doing everything for a woman, you know what I'm saying, making sure she's okay whatever, and then she's still belonged to the street. I don't never anybody watching this, you're gonna be like, bitch, you know. It's it's it's the contest. It's the contest, especially when the kids are running your crowd your house, like like jeez,

and then that's a great style. But you know what, at the end of it, I respected that because you know, when you're going through a breakup, you know, dishonest, you always say, yeah, I want you to be I'm I'm rooting for your happiness, I'm rooting for your success. I want you to be happy. You say that out but on the inside, you're like, boy, hold this bitch fall off,

please fall off. When you said that line in the end, like uh, I wish you the best, but I hope you're walking around barefoot it or something, And I was like, pull that's button up on that song. Yeah, have you ever been in a relationship like that? Yeah? I think everybody has what we thought we was. Here's the thing. If they for the street, there for the street. But you go through a phase of your life where you want to be kept to save the whole, you know

what I'm saying. You think you're a certain point and you're like like this. You can look at somebody or see somebody you like, you know what, that person might be a little of trouble and it's only because they don't have the right person in their life, you know what I'm saying. You think that's why I don't go to like going to strip clubs and ship because I'm the dude to being belovele, Like, Yo, what do you really want to do with your life? They don't want

to hear that, you know what I'm saying. You feel like you want to save a motherfucker. I had this organization years ago. It was called uh save a bit dot com right, and the idea of it was, I said, a lot of women, certain age, right, they in the middle of dealing with temptation or salvation. Right, it's a it's a scale. It could go temptation and salvation depending on who come in their life. And that's how the

scale is gonna tell. If it's a person is coming there for a damn sure is the persons gonna help him out that. But it might be that pimp, motherfucker. It might be the person they want to use them, you know. And I said, I want to I want to like educate women. The organization lasted two months and the reason why I tried to say to me business at one time, Right, you gotta do it. Huh. Maybe it's the name, you know what. I had that argument, right, But here's the thing. And I talked to my mother

about it because she got some foksel. What is your son talking about? She said, what we gotta do is we gotta give the acronym a different definition, right, And I said what mar She said, bitch being in total control of herself. And the reason why the peoples like this, it's a very provocative word. The men you here, you're like, oh, what is this all? About I could have had an organization called save a Queen dot com you know what I mean, Beautiful Beautiful women dot com, or it wouldn't

have been as engaging as bitch. This is the is the is the clickbait. Then get you to call in and did you see what I was trying to do? And it makes sense? At least I thought it makes sense, But the company's now defunk and then no longer exist? Know what does what does? What does it mean? Game? Bitch my mom's definition of herself. She was like, just reinvent the word to put a different definition. I put the word delf. You know what delf is, right, Delf

is what I'm going through my life. Daddy dad, I like the you know, milf, but basically saying the older guy in staid the same moms. I like the if my mom, I like the yeah, daddy's dude. But I switched to the acronyms. I said, deaf dad, uh devoted involved, loving father. That's how I switched the delf. And I'm pushing up. I'm looking involved loving father, trying to switch it up. Because we get the rap, we get a

bad rap. Black men especially get the bad rap when it comes to fatherhood for everything, but the one thing that they want to promote is like dad because this is my fucking ship. But I realized, I'm like, I'm saying myself, like what type of people you're around? Because everybody that I'm that's that's close to me, they dope as fathers. I'm like, where are y'all find Where y'all find it? Y'all put the energy, that's just a life period. We always put more energy on a negative than positive.

They get the most attention when it comes to cancel culture. I give an example. I know we will probably get to a ser later, but I'll say, like, even though man Dave with the last special, you're the closer. Right if you take a hundred people and you say, what do you think about that special? Probably of it if five percent would say get it out of here? And

how does the five percent rule? They get the most attention, They get the most attention, They scream, the louders they get, they get the most attention up And I even said it on my podcast the other day. I said, you know, I said, I'm not going to focus on those five I want to focus on the people that want to see me want to funk with me, you know. But it's it takes people like Dave Chappelle, you know that could come up and say, you know what, I'm taking

control of my career. I'm empowering myself. How whether y'all like it or not, this is my voice. This is the art that I do, and I can't let you water it down and let you control what I say. Stand up comedy is about finding somebody's personality that you like. You engage with them, and you want to hear they take on the world. You know what I'm saying and the way they want to do that. You can't say this, you're gonna say that. So they want every comic to

sound the same. And that's when the content of comedy is going to be dead exactly. Man, tell tell us about that a festival that you're doing at the Improv in Hollywood. Well, Netflix, Netflix is the first time. Netflix is a joke. Years ago, Netflix a comedy festival. Netflix is a joke. Yeah, I mean Netflix is talking about

talking about talking about killers. It's everybody run down. What it is is like comedy festivals really became popular, Like five years ago you had the Edinburgh Comedy festival, which which huge. It was a platform that you could break talent. And the one that was really popular in the United States was uh Montreal County Festival. That's where Dave Chappelle got his big break. So Netflix, no, and it makes sense, they're the hugest platforms when it comes to stand up

comedy right now. So they said, why don't we just, you know, instead of just we give these guys money for their special why don't we like extend our brand get out to more people. Let's do a festival. I think the festivals over like six or seven days. It's different levels of performances. Like anytime you go to big festivals, you get like a grand stage. You've got like some arena shows like Gabriel Iglasis he's doing Dodger Stadium. Then somebody's doing Stable but then he got two smaller venues

like the comedy clubs, the theaters. But it's just a whole week of a stand up comedy where you get to see some of the biggest names in Yeah, it's like, yeah, we um, I'm doing a show. Dave was at the Hollywood Bowl probably the most two shows I'm doing to show the improv and then Um, I think last year we were supposed to do the Mark Lawrence Tour as a live Netflix recorded I don't know if you're gonna do that, but if that happens, and I'll be a part of that too. But it's a good, good place

for people to see you. And I've talked to some comments like, well the money isn't right or whatever, and I'm like, I've always been like this. I want to perform where the baddest people perform. If I got to take a hit on money sometimes just so I can say I'm playing in this league to let y'all know, you know, paying for pan, I'm on a nice to dude. I take advantage of a lot of people. Don't think

that it's always the money. But it's a great platform. Um, it's getting you heard about it, it's getting a lot of president should be good to get back to get back. Dave Chappelle, Danielle Amy Schumer, one of the Sykes, Uh Seinfield, Kevin Hart really good, Chris Chris Uh because Chris Rock,

and the list goes on. You know, when I first came across it, I thought that all you guys were gonna be on one stage and you know what the biggest I was already getting ready to book my teeket like I'm I will be there and you can never do that. You know why, too many egos you could never You everybody saying why can't you put all the grades together because somebody could be like who going first? You know the diva effect, But it's gonna be but tickets have to be five thoud dollars a piece of

I don't you know what I mean? Like, I don't want to close behind nobody. No, I don't. I don't have an ego like that because I know in some towns like if you call yourself closing behind me, you're gonna be fucked. Now, this is this is what Brad does. Brad don't close because Brad understands that people get weary, even if they love you, they get weary, and people got it to do, especially if it's a late show.

People might leave early, you know what I'm saying. And so Brad is like, let me make sure I'm gonna hit the motherfucker's why they're at full get up and get on up out of that. You know me on the other side of that UM as a stand up comic coming up. That's was like kind of your first test, you know what I'm saying, Like can you follow somebody?

And like it was always an opportunity to have a defining moment like you could be like when I came up there was I used to beat him up at the beginning, right, like, yeah, he's funny, but Kenny follows so and so, you know, and like you go like and I'm talking about the big boys like Tony Woods back then, like uh, Teddy Carpet and everything. And I always feel I always thought it would be a challenge.

I'm like, I want to go behind that motherfucker. I want the pressure of motherfucker's saying, you know, mother for somebody eating room up and they'd be like this, I don't know what that next motherfucker going down, he better do something. So for me, I never wanted a soft spot. Now this ship is so water down. Only when you go to comedy club, they're trying to do a lineup on what they think that person is going to do or what their reputation is. Well, he can't follow him.

You don't know. You don't know until you do it, and then it no better feeling when you go up there I'm talking about when somebody like to Teddy Carpet back then he was a dude. Nobody want to go behind him, right, I'm like, fucking I want to go by him. I want to go by anybody. You're gonna notice that this young boys coming up? And when when you think that crowd is right here, and then you're like, there's nothing else and take it up, take him another much.

At what point did you open for what? Well? At what point did did you come after a comedian that was the headline and the guy that everybody came to see you wrecked it and somebody said, man, you should have been headlining. It happens, And what point I'm talking about when it first care or in your career, when it first happened. It's being quite honest, man, and this is not being cocky. That's all true for the most part, almost my entire career. You know, Like, but what's that

first time? You know what, what did that feel like the first time somebody said you you should have headlined? It didn't go to your head where you didn't you hustle? No, you know what, it didn't go to my head because, um, I've I've worked with some big names now and that happens, right, It didn't go to my head because what people don't understand how comedy works, Like people got different styles, you know what I'm saying, Like my style is high energy.

It's gonna it's gonna be in your face when you say you got somebody that went on for like an hour, right, and you ain't gotta say you doing it before. You ain't gotta do with fifteen minutes. You ain't gotta captivate the audience as long as they do that quick hit. That's the easiest spot that guests spot. You go up in there like for seven or ten minutes. People, Oh he was so But all I had to do was

ten minutes. This person had to do an hour. Then he had to transfer the energy from the committee went on before after, So I never get caught up in that. And it's like I think comedies like like they say football, any given Sunday, you know what I mean, Any given Sunday, you could be the man. But one night you just take an L and somebody shine that night. You know, you call it an L like like and hip hop. If we bomb on this show, he'd be like, damn,

I don't even like that word, the word ball. I remember when I first started, I was saying this check and I mean, I said, this isn't gonna last because I went she went to one of my shows, and she didn't know that comedians are allergic to the word bomb. We don't. I don't use that. I might say, Yo, it wasn't as successful as the last show, you know, but I had a bad set and she's looked at my face. She said, you bombed. I was like, what, I don't bomb. I don't know what it was. I

did that show. She said, you bombed. I did that show, went to the Peppermin Lounge and took another hit. She said, you bombed again? Cut too, that was bitch you. I was like, no, we aren't doing that. Who created the character? There was a combination, Like on the paper it read that, um, it was a guy in boxers. The only thing I knew about him he was in boxing and he had

dress shoes. But when I was on it, when I was on the show, if you really look at, if you had an editor tech, how much time I actually talked on that show, it would probably be on the time, it'd probably like four minutes of dialogue. Because but in, which made me realize that every time you see me, I gotta kill it on site. You know what I'm saying, Like, I didn't wait for you to recognize me what I said. I want you to recognize me by the characteristics and

things I added to the character. So this dude was in boxers and I said, um, I want to be ashy, right, and it reminds me it was like our imitate life. Because I was young, I used to shoot dice and my mother was like, you've been out to shoot Dice. I was like, no, why you say that? She said, look at your knees. Your knees all scratched up, and she right, because you know you're in the concrete trying to get it right. So I was like, I want to be ashy. I said, I want to be so ashy.

I could write how much money people over the side of my leg. I want to wake tacto. I'm like, look at the look at my thigh. I keep it a record right here. And I was like, just I wanted to do something extreme, and I went to the hair and makeup and I didn't share this with Dave O'Neil brennan, but I asked him for some baby powder. Right started putting the baby prowder on. I'm back here.

I didn't let nobody seem I gotta roll, but I was like when I come out him and come out, I told him, I said, give me some baby power rights a baby They don't. He had no dice, or said, I know how you had no dice. I'm out here faking. I got baby powder. I did like this, I did like this, like I was. I was like, right, but when I tell you one take, they was like this,

that's it. And and think about it. When we did that sketch, that was the first time we had someone outside of our our main crew Charlie me, Bill Burr, RFP Right. Eddie Griffin was the first uh like stunt you know, stunt caster when they were like, let's put these names on it. And that sketch wasn't designed for me to shine. If you look at you really, if you look a dialogue was Eddie Greets and yeah, if you look at the dialogue, right, if you look at

the dialogue, they had a lot of dialogue. It was a conversation. I had just a quick hit, right, And I always tell myself, I know what you'll what's supposed to happen the sketch. I'm going all out every sketch. I treated like I was never gonna be on the show. That was the first time you came out with the baby pine that it was that on that sketch and the thing the body was it was for Eddie. There was supposed to be for Eddie. It was for Eddie

and Dave to like blow it up. It was the focus and I was just I was just I just zoned out. And I remember Charlie had a mask for right and I think he said, like, do you know what the funk you're doing to this skit right now? I was like act. He was like, man, you're killing this ship Eddie. Griffith said, Donna. The reason why that sketch worked for you, he said, because you're not afraid to get ugly. You know what I'm saying, Like some

people like, oh, I can't do this and anything. And I just went all out and it became one of the most memorable characters throughout the two and a half years. And this is the show. I don't even have your name in my phone as happening there. I have you as Diva. I have us Diva, Yes, I do diva motherfucker. And that's why I hey when you um when when on the third season of The Chappelle Show, it was you and Charlie Murphy that came out on the stage and you shot a lot of that stuff with or

without Dave. Everything that the thing about it was very question People asked like, oh, how could you do it? Everything that that show was about was already in the camp. You're looking at the company like legal under the company like this all right, we don't know what the deal is. It was no communication with Dave or anything. What do we do with this? This still our intellectual property? You know what I'm saying. In any business like this, how

how can we put this out? It was a tough decision on Miss Charlie's part because we wasn't trying to give the impression that we was the next Chappelle Show. We weren't trying like, oh, we could take over, you know,

We're just like how do we present this? And that's why I was important the beginning when Charlie was like, yo, it was so funny, though, I was like, you know what, man, I don't really want to be here, right And I was like, speak for yourself that I need all the airtime I can get Like it was a funny way. And then at the time Dave wasn't communicating with anybody. Heyeh, he had picked up the phone and said, you know what, I don't want you to do it. Wouldn't wouldn't have

done it. But at the same time it was a great platform for us. So it was Dave indifferent. I've heard him make jokes about it on stage, you know, like, um, yeah, Dave Chappelle not doing the ship hell show. It is like he referenced. I think it was a key and Pale reference. It was like, oh, you mean the show without that? He was you could tell he was troubled by it. But at the same time, um, he had a respect for what me and Charlie did as far as what we could do to further our career and

and and get people still check for us. It was a dope platform. How do you not do it? How long did they go after it was we knew it like then we show it was a half of season and the only reason like if it was a situation, Okay, now we're creating this show with these new skits and stuff. We would have never done it, but the fact that this was stuff that was supposed to come out anyway, it was already in the Cantos copportunity for us to continue to do the show. Pay homage to this show.

I think we did it in the most respectful classes where you can do it and we keep it moving. But the funny thing about that, a lot of people know me and Charlie was doing it. Charlie, isn't he like a serious People don't know what we was doing that Charlie wearing glasses. Right, This is a funny story, right, kind of you give me Charlie energy, you know that. Okay, I'm gonna be I'll be chilled. But if it's gonna go down, it's gonna go down. I'm looking right in

your face. Right. So we're on stage, Charlie wears glasses and we had a teleprompter, right, And I guess he was going through what you went through, metro sexual part of his life where he wanted to wear contacts, no glasses, smile a lot he'd been through. You ain't by yourself, Brad, You're not You're not alone with your metros. Look how you're just doing it now, look at you all right. So, so Charlie is up trying to read a teleprompter, right, and he like this. He kept sucking up, sir, and

the audience was getting frustrate. They was like, oh, come on, can you read it? Right there? They're starting to heck a him. And Charlie's one of the dudes, that dope. He'll go at you. Oh you day, don't come in him. You know what I'm saying. Because I hit hard, it's gonna he gonna take a personal. So he's squinting, he trying to read and everything, and the crowd. We lose the crowd. They're like, oh my god. People start the snicker. And I was like, man, this show is gonna be funny.

I gotta get him laughing again. And I said, I said, Charlie, put your glasses on. Blind motherfucker. He did like this. He did like this, right he got he said, and they said cut and we went backstage. Right, we're in the back. White people to stay up, but like people argue, right, Charlie said, Charlie said, motherfucker. He was like, he said, motherfucker.

Let me tell you one thing. Motherfuckers, don't you ever like, and I don't want to to think we're about to fight, about to fight, so I'm gonna talk to him as eventullokers, right he said. He said, don't you ever fucking embarrass me? Fuck your els up, I said, Charlie, we're trying to do a show. I was like, because I didn't want him to swing on me, right, because you can't go back out there knotting up. You know what I'm saying. They liked, we go back. I got a big gass

up on my head. A black guy ship. He said, let me tell you want to don't you tell embarrassed me? Like, just I don't go funk about this TV ship thinking. Do you know what I said? I said, I hear we ran to do a show. Oh man, I missed that dude. That was my god? Man what he really is due? Alright? P Charlie Murphy. Man, Charlie Murphy. He was special. He was one of those And everybody say the same thing pretty much about Charlie. Stand up, dude,

real real solid. Can you share like another story that maybe like a story that that people are may not know have heard about Charlie? Um, because you gots spent a lot of time to get Charlie named Charlie. We do that Willie. His mama named the Charlie. She didn't name him Charlie. But you know, I want to say about it, even saying Charlie, this is the dopest thing. I think, the best thing that came out of Charlie's

relationship Charlie on a on A Chappelle Show. Um, I couldn't even imagine being the older brother of one of the most successful comics in the history of comedy and still having aspirations to either do it or that field, because you're gonna be compared all the time. Right, But it was fun them. He was funny. Yo. I'm gonna tell you. If anybody knows Charlie like I've been around Charlie in his whole family, Right, if you've been around Charlie Eddie in the whole family, you realize Charlie was

the funniest motherfucker in the family. But they chose different paths, you could tell, And you could tell that Eddie probably looked up to try like this mother funny, but Charlie was like this funk that I didn't you know, you know he was. He was on this on the street side of But the thing that I really appreciate the

most what Chapelle Ship different, Chapelle Show different. When Charlie passed away, it would have been, it would have been the headlines have been, like Eddie Murphy's brother passes away. You know, the show really gave Charlie his identity of being his own man, his own artist, his own creative, you know what I'm saying, Like it was Charlie Murphy that show gave him his name, and that's what they

respected when he passed away. But Eddie. Did Eddie come to Charlie's services because I heard that he don't do that unless he was with some glasses in the hoodie in the back. You know, I didn't see it, and I'm not I'm not wanting to didn't do funeral services. Man. You know, my mom's twin brother didn't show up to her funeral, and I man, I was hot. You know. I took it very personal because you know, they were

always close and I was close to him. He was he just wanted to taught me how to box, and you know, I took it very personal. I didn't speak to him for a year, and one day he was at my sister's house, and and I just confronted him about it, you know, not in an aggressive manner, but just you know, hey, you know, we started chopping it up, and I was like, man, you know, like say uncle, you know, just let him know it was bothering me that he didn't come to my mom's funeral. And he said,

he said that he had a fight that day. You know, he's a boxing trainer, so he said one of his guys had a fight on that day and he thought about not going, but he said he went the clearest head and I had and I had to respect that because people do more differently, and I can under know even in the case where like Eddie Murphy, I could see how Eddie Murphy's presence anywhere we created spectacle that

it takes away from absolutely brilliant. Bro. I don't see how people can can stand in front of Eddie Murphy and deliver lines like that would be impossible. Have you ever done that? I haven't. You know, I'm excited about the opportunities super funny bro speak more. But that ship makes me like that ship brings out the best of me. Like when we were doing spell Show, we had a blueprint of what we wanted to do, but then we would start with that, then the turn to something else.

But we had like healthy competition, you know what I'm saying everybody. It wasn't like Okay, I just want to do it this way. It was like this, okay, Charlie, do an ad lib. I do an ad lib. And it keeps going on and knowing it and then it was just it. Just when we would with the whack Arno scared half the ship. I said on that show, I made up the whack Arnold sketch. Um when when when when when? When they say, uh, Calvin got a job.

When they walked down the street, we was like to just crack talking ship right, and I kept on saying, it's a thing line between fries and ships. The meat ist burger in the world could be the lead ist burger in the world if you cook it that way. Neil Brendan walked past. He said, what you say. I said, it's a thing, you know. I just went in and he was like, dude, that ship and the ship stopped half the ship I did on that On that show,

they stopped writing for me. They started just with put sutton and just like a long line like, just do what you do. And I always told people, like always always felt just everything go harder, don't you. You can't assume that you're gonna be back here because we didn't have a contract. You know what I'm saying, You're just going up there like this might be my last time,

and and and eat it up. They speak more to what you were saying about Charlie Murphy being you know, the brother of one of the biggest comedians in the world, Eddie Murphy, and and being okay with that speak more to that. Well, he he was true to himself, you know what I'm saying, who knew, he knew who he was. He could easily go up there like and try to mimic Eddie. And even when he first started stand up because the first time he ever want to stand up stage,

I pushed him into it. We were doing a Chapelle show right two years. I wasn't making a lot of money. That contract with the money wasn't gonna come in to like the third season. You know, it wasn't making a lot of money. And I was like, but we're popular everybody like Charlie. I'm like, man, we gotta get this money. So I said that we need to do a tour. I came with the idea of doing the tour. I called it the Um the Rich Bitch Tour, right um Burke. He said he was a young agent back then. He

represents some big names now. It was the first. It was the first major tour, if you want to say he had as a young agent. If you come in and you get connected to like a tour, that's a tour of some of the main players are one of the biggest shows in pop culture. And I was like, I want to do this tour. Charlie is popping. Charlie never did stand up right. I was like, I gotta get Charlie trained. And I used to talk about Charlie. I said, you're a tough motherfucker until somebody put that

microphone in your face. I said, you not up then, and you don't like to be challenged like that. So we went to I took him to an open mic, the first time he ever went on stage. You could tell he was a little nervous, but he still did it right. And I said, all I need is ten minutes out of him. Ten minutes. They Charlie married Jolie Berthy is rich bitche tour ten minutes and didn't get

to me. Then at the time, Bill Burt, Bill Burr's a huge name in Connie right now, Bill Burt was about the bus, right, he was about the bubble, but he still wasn't he was still working b rooms, you know. And I said, let me I want I don't want this show. I wanted to be a quality show. I don't want just to be like a fluffer or something in the middle. I was like, why not have Bill Burrow on the show? Because Bill Burr was an animal and by the way, he killed that commentator role on

the on the world. It was like it was like everybody at that time was like bubbling, right, And I said, we're gonna do this tour. I was like, Charlie u mc um, Bill Bird, no disrespect to you being the headliner, but I'm a bigger draw of the show than Bill Bird. So it's Charlie Bill Bird and then our headline. And going back to we're talking about following somebody. When I saw my final Piole day, try coming behind Bill Burt for motherfucking forty five weekends out of a year, you

have no time off. There's not one day you can slip. And there's a couple of times I didn't have a great show, and I noticed because I'm calming cards to come back. They're like, yeah, just like you said, they said, yeah, they should have had the white boy headline. Right. I was like, we're not gonna do that again. But in that's how we had to make an adjustment and and

Charlie was off to the races after that. He was can you imagine selling out across the country as an open mic and learning the craft as you're selling out? And people were super critical to him, like it was you can hear some roughly. He and his brother he you know Eddie Murphy, but he wasn't trying to be Eddie Murphy. Who was trying to be him and he and he became what he is one of the dopest storytellers. Can captivate the audiers. Don't gotta jump up and gotta

yell at then just sit there and talk. What's the comedy card? What do you mean you said the comedy cards would comment comment comment cards? You know how to be like, don't go to comments exact like they were trying to see what they want to bring back. What do you like who was your funniest you know, and did you read those cards? They somebody just called you and told you what they were saying. Did you read

the cards to yourself? Yeah, I would, I would snatch, I'll go back, like how am I doing to the box? But I but I knew it's certain clubs that like it was certain clubs went to Bill burd would just he just would shine. But we had like we did that in like two thousand, two thousand and six and one of the best touring experiences I've had to this day. Yeah, yeah, I really do like Bill burr Man. He's one of the most honest comedians out that and and well informed.

UM speak speak to whose idea was for Charlie to get in a storytelling lane as opposed to a punch line lane. It was all by accident. Like you gotta realized when we went to go to work, I never feel like we were work when we went through set. I never feel like it was working. I was like, we just had a good time. And Charlie has a million stories and we've just been in lunch, having lunch talking and you would hear these stories of David's like like,

are you serious? And how do you remember that stuff Man got. He's really detailed. He's just I don't know what process was whatever. He's a born ship talker, you know, he was a born ship talking but he would tell the stories. And I remember Man that we got them Rick James story. They was like, it was just like you just Charlie would just talk. Charlie would talk and the script me like just and it's just doing it just there was. It's a crazy thing about that sketch.

This is how companies use sometimes they don't know what the a you're talking about. At the time. Communiy Center that sketch, that episode, they hated it. This is what they said. They said, it's too long. Nobody had ever did a sketch like the entire show. It was like, it's too long, and Charlie Murphy's not funny. Now we see how wrong they worry about that, and we stuck to our guns. They pushed forward and what we call

it the wrap arounds. The wrap arounds is when you already had the stuff you recorded right, and then you played for everybody to see in front of a last audience. And I've seen that room erupt but I've never seen anything um erupt, like when when the first time Dave said, I'm Rick James, bitch, one of the baddest motherfucker's ever.

Another thing, this is when you know you're incredible, uh communic actor when you could be a motherfucker that you don't look nothing like you, that don't look nothing like him, but you feel that was Rick James. Yeah, that's fucking acting when you can take it away from you know, some people like this, we gotta get this guy to play this role because he looks like him. I didn't

even do that and smoked that ship man. I can see why Joe Rogan has invited you back on his show multiple times, because you know, Joe talks to really brilliant people. It's a lot of people that come on his show were very very brilliant and fascinating. You know, you got that ship man, and it's that information that

you got. Where did that come from? Life experiences? Fucking getting burnt, you know what I'm saying, getting rejected, you know, but it had to be also like on your behalf a wheel to want to be better and want to learn always always. I've been doing it for twenty years, right and I've right out the gate, I was funny at the twenty year career. Really, I still feel like every year I get better and that's coming from having some bomb's years like being on Fire two years ago,

and continue because I always can find something new. I always could figure out another way to present a joke, attitude, just positive and stavid. I'm always practiced on how I can get better. But going back on the on the on the Joe Rogan one, I'll tell you one thing. The person people that Joe Rogan always has when the people on this show, it's people he respect. You know what I'm saying. He's never gonna have nobody on this

show just because like, oh this will be interesting. It's something that he connects with somebody hot just because they're hot. That's not what he He's a true motherfucker. And I used to and I knew how powerful Joe Rogan was with his podcast, and I was like, I'm gonna get on this podcast. But they ain't gonna be from like, hey,

can it be your podcast. It's gonna be because he's gonna see me in the riches and he gained respect for me as a stand up and what I brought to the stand up, you know, not just the hell you don't give a funk about that, just pel show ship. It was about how are you flat footed with a mic in front of an audience? And I was like, eventually I would get the call or the or the invite just off of that. In my relationship in comedy period, I never wanted to be close to a comedian. I

never wanna be like, hey, your friend. The only the only way I wanted to respect me it is from what I do on the mic. The other ship, I don't give a funk about it, Let's go on to goddamn stage. Is that how you and they became close and we well, yeah, the respect for each other's as um as comedians. Because David is younger than me, but he started before me. And when he started, like when I started comedy in d C, David already moved to

New York. And like for anybody from like a small town or whatever, your best sign of you trying to do something is when you leave home. And back then when I first started, it wasn't like now where you could blow yourself up in your living room on the internet. You had to hit the pavement. So David went to New York. I'm still in d C. And I was always I was like yo, I was like, oh popping, like who popping? DC? Who popping? Like Yo, you gotta check out. This is my day, Sapel. I'm like this

he popping there was like yeah. I was like so and they would has told this story. I said, what makes him so nice? They was like he's young, he's smart, blah blah blah blah. And I was like, OKAYU that naked right, not in a bad way. I just felt like, okay, I want to get people to appreciate me the same way. And then Dave it would come and he shared this story. And on my fities birthday he would go to d C and he would ask who's the hot comics? Gud now and he said, it used me to use your suspects,

Tony Woods. He would name on this purse all these people and he said, but there's this one young cat that's coming up day. Dave said. He was like, funk that nigg yo, that's a story I gotta record. He was like, but that's how that's how we were, you know what I'm saying. But it's fun competition and Dave gained respect for me, not for me trying to be his friend or anything other than the dude has the work ethics, he's funny, and then when we call him

into the game, he scores. And I think that's how he should build all relationships, Like what what what do you do? You know? Are you good at? Do you work hard at it? You know, Dave is one of those brilliant minded people that I mentioned, uh that often on the Joe Rogan podcast. You being his friend and uh knowing how you know he operates and having respect that you obviously have for him as as a friend

and as a human being. Hal often is that reciprocated where he actually comes to you for advice or you know, direction, He don't really come to me for advice and the direction he'll come to me as me as a listener here, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, so smart and so wise, it's not too much and we like share information just on how we move and the choices we make. But he don't come to me like that, you know. But you know the duders are talking. Man.

I remember used to getting trouble with this girl I used to day because I used to coming at three or four o'clock in the morning, five o'clock, and I'm like, yeah, I was. We was just sitting around talking to day. Really y'all, just sitting around, y'all, just sitting around, grown as man, just sitting around talking about the world. And it's the truth, you know, like one of the smartest, one of the smartest people I've ever met in regard to being able to talk about any subject. I'm like,

how does a motherfucker get this much knowledge college? You know what I'm saying, Just like it's one of those special people. But you know, we touched. It's so crazy because him being young at me. Sometimes I go to him for advice or what your thoughts are because he's been doing it longer than me, and he he thinks different they're not do I'm you know what, mother, always want to just get at somebody that whatever, don't give a fun that we can fight whatever, not so much fight,

but just that type of energy. And he's always be like the piece mother. Okay, but listen, you know, has your son Austin dialed back in here? That hyper energy for me? Yeah? Yeah, yep, my son is funny dude. Yeah, how old is he? Not? Like he said my son when he was born and he was post man. You was happy. I thought I was out the game. Bro Man, you boy, you can tell man. And I not embarrassed to say that. It's one of the topest things I've

ever done, you know what I'm saying. And it's one thing to be into your career so much that for some people that part of life you pass them. But mentally you have to prepare yourself for it. You gotta prepare yourself for like ask you why you don't got no kids. You gave something wrong with them. You gotta prepare yourself that and then you make choices. You can get deep in it. It can ruin your mental or you could say, well, you know what a lot of

people do, I'm gonna focus on my career. You know what I'm saying. I got nieces, I got nephews, I'd be a great uncle. Whatever, I'm gonna focus on that, or it would drive you crazy. And I had already settled with the fact that you probably won't have no kids, and I was cool with it. I was like, well, then you your grind. It's going to be to help other people and your family. And then I was lucky enough that I'm my lady. I remember what she told. She was probably first thing I said about who I

heard that scared? Did you said the nineties? Did you believe that you did? You believe that you were shooting blanks? So what was happening blanks? I just was. I was. I was definitely a practice safe sex motherfucker, you know, wrapping it up, trapping up. And then you know that I don't like that CARDI Beats song because they said they're pussy so wet, they fuck your pull off game, right, that would have worked in the nineties game we make that. But I just was, you know, I took care myself,

was cautious, and it just didn't happen. But when it happened, it was like the first time, I know, it sounds crazy, the first time I have a question God. And it was the lady was pregnant and at the beginning doctor said just just just didn't give us no good signs and it would be like a healthy pregnancy or whatever. You know. They got so at my age, I was like, man, I don't know what that I talked to talking about. I'm buying juicers in all type of shop. I was like,

we need to eat healthier. I'm talking about we. I was just like, I'm gonna do everything I can. Three months into the pregnancy, I was in Australia and she lost the baby, right, and I was mad as ship at God. So I was like, I was like, man, and this is why I was mad at guy. I was like this, I don't even really call you for a lot of ship, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm not wanting you know, some people like just cold died for every goddamn Oh my god, I hope this

light don't turn red. I can't afford just take a God, please just get me out of this. I called him for real ship, like, let me have a healthy baby, Let me have a baby. I was mad. Right. Three months later she got pregnant again, and then I had to apologize. I was like, you know, I was having a bad day. You know what I'm saying. I asked you was something and you didn't come through it. Don't

even be asking you for stuff like that. And then if anybody had that experience of having a miscarriage, right, and then when that happened, I just really was like, damn, people really don't understand how serious it is to have a kid. It ain't guaranteed. You've got people out here with it that spending hundreds of thousand dollars for a shot at it having a baby. Yeah, and then you got motherfucker to have kids. Don't want to be in life.

This ship is just it's mind boggling to me. But it just made me really value what pro creating really meant. And then if you've ever been in a situation where you've had someone and you had a miscarriage, all you're trying to do is get past that last mark. You know what I'm saying. You was like you like three months and it didn't work out, so you nourish damn. But nowadays, because modern size and everything, you can always kind of know what's cooling. There's so much test and everything.

And at the third months, stop building more confidence, the fourth month stopped building more confidence. Fifth month, I was like, oh, Ship, this is really fucking happening. And when that dude crowned out, Yo, I don't give a how tough you e you are. When you see that mothercker come out, YO, look at my face. Oh I had the all and I got and I had the all. I was soft and ships. I said, you know, you can hear you could see me taking a deep breath, like and it was the

most the topest thing. Having that little boy right now is about everything I feel, you man, With all of the accolades that I've had, Man, you know, gold albums, you know, boxing championship trophies, you know, money, the cars, the homes, Nothing, and I mean nothing remotely comes close to the excitement the joy that I felt. It feels

my daughter was born. My daughter was always tell people that the two happiest moments, most satisfying moments in my life was when my first of all with my daughter was born was number one. Number two was when my son was born. Everything, yes, man, I can, I can. I have to try to debate because you because the reason why, because you kind gonna. I want to know what your true purpose is? Right, what? What? Why am I really here and me having that experience of having

a son, I'm like, this is my purpose. This is the reason why I want to work so hard, this is the reason why I try to live life as correct as possible. You're going for something. Before that you told you you're like that's saying you're selfish, but when it's just you, that's you don't gotta worry about. Now you've got that add a sense of responsibility. A kid would make you want to straighten your ship up, you know what I mean? And you want to be an

example for him. And in a lot of cases, and in my case, like you, I want to be better than my father was. And I no disreflect to my father, but my father chose a lifestyle that didn't give him an opportunity to spend as much time as he probably wanted with his kids. And I love me passed away three years ago. But when you look at that, especially for me, people like, why are you so into this much? I said, because I have probably ten good memories with my father, right, I was like, this is my my

focus was. I just want to make memories with him. I don't I don't want to have to keep telling the same story. I gotta tell the same story, you know. I want to make memories with him, and I want to do better then my dad. That's why sometimes you fucked up fathers create better. Dad's true. Yeah, you know, It's like, okay, so she didn't he just how we're supposed to do it until this day, man, my son got so much memories until this day, he's shout out

to all the fantastic fathers out there. Man, we don't we don't get our problems. Man, you know they definitely beat me up. Yeah, Brad got some Brad got some great boys man and girls too. But I mean, I'm not really I don't really know. I only know Brandy. But but but he I know I can bouch for boys because I know them. Fantastic, great great kids, great kids. Yeah, I look forward to being a better grandfather than I was a father. But you gotta look at it. This

is another thing to think about. It's all like relevant to where you were in your life. And I always say that all my friends kids are so much older than my son. But I just said, I said, what, what what would happen done there? What type of person do you think you would have been our dad if you was like right at the beginning of your career? Old you know what I'm saying you and you're still trying to get the best pussy out there? What old mentor of mind told me? What Andy has? He said?

Down Hill? This is when your career blows up, when you everything you want to fuck right you got that out your system. And he said, um, you gotta remember uh, no pussy, it's gonna be better than new pussy. M hm. And I think you said you you referenced something close to that when when I was listen into on the podcast and you just talk about when you can control, you said, we can control your penis. Yeah, the two things and that a man must learn to control, and

that is his emotions and his penis. That's if you can do that, you know, you can really maximize, you know, your potential. You know what. Let's go back to uh, to the um the miscarriage. When your girl had that miscarriage. I know you said you were angry with God, but were you also angry with her? And the reason why, the reason why I never like we don't exist in the same mental space anymore. The reason I wasn't upset with her because, uh, she gave me her body. What

I'm saying, she gave me her body. She sacrificed, sacrifice. And this is what you gotta respect about the matter how relationship go. She get my body and she said, this is what I want to do. And I know it was she super excited about having a kid. I don't think so. But we were in love at the time and she felt like this was something and I talked about it like whatever. She thought that this was something that would can complete my journey. So, um no, I never was mad at So she had the baby

as a gift to you, so to speak. That's that's probably a combination. But it's a tough question. You know. I think she probably was curious about mom lifestyle, but I think it was more. I really do believe that she really felt like how happy it would make me. And then we was new relationship. You know, at the beginning, the muther do anything, but yeah, I can go for that. And the beginning everything to make you ever did like, oh you start getting older and ship old ass motherfucker.

But you know, Grayer, the ain't talking about go take your medicine, take your pills, sit your old ass where you better put that basketball dad before you pop something. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't. It was It was her like wanting me to be happy with that part of my life. Man, talk about how it is when you're this guy who is a comedian and people expect you to always be funny and to be that guy who is the jokester, right when you're not always that guy?

You know, how how do how do you balance that? I'm usually, for the most part, always the funniest person in the room. But you know, I got limits to it. I'm not And it's not me trying to be like the funny guys, just my personality. Some people have just had those personalities where they're just a funny motherfucker. You know. I tell people all the time, Yeah, you'll pay you'll pay uh to see me perform, but just hang out with me for a day. It's gonna be way more

funny than that stage. But people that know me, they know, like funny person, but I'm serious at the same time. You know, I don't I don't do the clown ship and the trip. Part about it is that most comedians have those two sides. I mean, they are funny, but most of the time when you actually hang out with comedians, you're not just laughing. You know, you're talking about life and stuff like that, or you just chilling and you don't like. I don't like, but I don't hang out

with silly. Mother's just always got to try to be like broups. Yeah, that's that's if you're funny. You're funny. You know, you don't gotta force that ship. But people that know me, they know, like even people see me before show, what's wrong? Would you? Are you okay? I just tap out, just zone out, kind of meditate and get ready to go do my show. I would say this though, man like Don Ellen is really really funny though about the ark all the time. He is a damn for all the time we went to um, we

went to uh. We was a studio one night Burger bro the one that could the double double in and out this you haven't had in and out burger and out. I don't think so, yo, this motherfucker. I think we went through that draft through three times and one night in and out weather which yeah, I just was like, he said, what's your order? I know your orders like a double double uh animal style, animal style, it's like

a certain sauce of whatever they put on it. But he was that's all he talked about, got double double, talking about it's good. It was so he talked about it so much. When I go to ind out now that I said, can I get a scared first? You want a double double exer cheese? Yeah? Oh yeah, that that was that was that was a good time. That's a good burg all the all the time, bro, all the time. How long you have been doing each other? But what eight years? Nine years? It's been a yeah

like that. But um, Daniel is funny as fun all the time. Bro. So I gotta I gotta say, you copied the place. Sound like you bound out because when you told me last night this is you told me. You said we was doing the verses. That's what you said, you want to do it. I mean you're the one before you said no, I don't want to do that. But I was just saying, if it's a nice way for you to bound out, that's what mental sexual. That's what mental sexual, dude, that we can get something those

jokes that we was doing. Yeah, I don't want to do it. Now, what the fun was that? That's God telling you that. That was God saying, you know what, enough part of me, I can't nobody stand it. But man, talk talk talk about Paul Mooney. Paul Mooney. I didn't really have a relationship with Paul Mooney, but I would saying he was one of the guys I looked up to as far as being like somebody that was unedited. And when you're talking about if don't give a funk

was a person Oh yeah, you know. I remember one time the first time I ever saw Paul Money. It was a comedy story and I don't even think I was doing comedy at the time, just went there and I was like, Oh, the Funcker's this dude that don't give a funk about white people things at all? You know what they say, zero fox zero. Paul Mooney would go up in there and walk have the audience, Well, I never get out of here, bitch, It's okay. You never you never hear that, you know, Paul Paul would

walk you. And then by time you left out, it was thirty other people that wanted to come in and sit down. And I was like this, you know, he was a hard on white people. I was about to defend white men. I was like, how dare you talk about I felt sell out Like, I was like, how did you can't talk to the white man like that? And he had to leve the confidence he was goes. He used to go on airlines on Broadway days. They have a disclaimer at the beginning if you're easily offended,

blah blah blah, blah blah. Just don't even because we're gonna we're not giving Carolines where Caroline's on Broadway because I was I thought you said somewhere else, because I know obviously know the one in New York. But no, But he was and and and Paul Mooney was one of those guys that throughout the comedy uh, the comedy circuit, they had respect. They knew who he was and respected and know what he did as a writer for Richard

and who he was. But like for the general public, a lot of people didn't know what his contribution was to comedy and entertainment. In your in your opinion, who is today's Paul Mooney, I'd say it's it. Signs are different. Who gets there the closest, though, who's the closest I think, I think, um, Dave. But but but the thing is like one thing Dave don't like Paul Mooney comes off you would think like agitated or upset. You know what I'm saying. So that's why sometimes you don't people don't

give it a fair listen. But Dave's very approachable, David is very likable, but he's saying exactly some of the same ships and moving almost similar to Paul Paul Mooney. Paul Mooney would have never gave a funk about cancel culture the same way Dave don't never get fun about cancel culture, the same way Bill Bird don't give you got As much of people say comedy is getting sucked up, you still have people that stand up on what it means to be a stand up and say fuck it.

And those are the people that empower themselves. Those are people that say I'm doing this my way, I don't give a funk, and they put the power. One of the dopest things Dave people say, you always talk about Dave here one of my closest friends. He's one of my closest friends, and he happens to be the goat. That's it. Why why, why why are you talking about

because that's my nigga. The way that he brought that um closer around, like the way he made that food circle that but yeah, here's this one was frustrating to me about the whole thing is that, as a good friend of mine lesbian married to another woman, I was performance said I thought that was no, it was where Yeah, but you used to be able to say that, no, big deal and say they come out like unless you say something derogatory toward Jewish people, you know what I'm saying, Like,

oh crazy. But when we were, um, we were showing awesome and when my friends heard her wife was there and at the end up, I said, um, how do you like the show? She was like, well, I I liked it, but we left early. I was like, wow, she said, because blah blah blah blah, she walked out on Dave. And when she said that, I said to myself, I know exactly the moment she walked out. Yeah, it was a trigger Like you got people people just like most of the people to walk out over the show.

They came to walk out. They're just waiting for the trigger word. And it was I know when she walked out was at the beginning of setting up the story about Day's transgender friend, right. I was like, that's something fair else I knew when she walked out and said, but she didn't even give the shot because, like you said, if you go three sixty on how it turned out in the explanation and like they're trying to drag Dave talking about oh he's transferred, just heard they heard the

trigger word. And walked the stud I was like, if you realize what was important with his relationship with the transgender is not who the transgender identified as or anything. It was like, how we respect each other as a comic and a person. You know what I'm saying. When the Daphne said, Dave's like, I'm trying to understand your dad, And then he said that was like this, I don't need you to understand me. I need you to know

that I'm having a human experience. Any motherfucker's any motherfucker they want to talk to you about the closer, just rewind that part. How do you call somebody transfer? But without bringing up that whole story when you're experiencing cognitive dissonance, you know when when when you're that that person you know who, here's what you want to here, and once you hear what you want to hear the other stuff, don't the other thing. That was fantastic about that man.

He was like, man, I don't. I'm not man, I just want to know how you did it. Y'all came, y'all got that quick. We're still trying to figure it out. YEA, I told I said, Damn, I had this joke and I know that part and I've done it. While I said, you know, I understand, I said, uh, the LBG. They said they want to ban the F word, right. They don't want you to say fact right. He says, politically and correct is social responsible. It's a disgusting work. And

I agree with you. I think it is a disgusting work. But when you banned words, you can't just cut in line of all other words need to be banned first. You can't just jump in front of nigger like that, right. You can't nigguse me chick, okay, nigger had all we're in the front, I said, if I was not a lie, but like your fat get behind these niggers. We've been waiting for four hundred years. And stopped looking at my ass like Joe, it's a motherfucker joke, and it's funny.

You know, my face is funny, man, Stop punching down on my people. That there's another thing people try to you know, when he said, people try to like damn like judge beautiful man, it wasn't the funniest, but I'm like, this dude been funny so long that people would pay just to hear him talk. It was what I'm saying was when people like look at like like okay, it was like whatever. But like I've seen his growth, and every time we do a special, it's deeper, it's a lesson,

it's the time capsule. It's like when he's long gone, wait from here, you can you'll know exactly what was going in the world just by dropping one of them. I've never seen anybody that can create flip material as life, like when we're talking about with that stuff, that quick man and that good you know, I think he did three specials in like one year or something. Man, that's

not heard. But when you have your voice, when you have your voice and you have your point of view, all you need the subject matter, all you need to be in a moment just to be able to talk about something. And that's what make it though. And people always I'll go, I think I'm a great comic. It's hard for us. I think it's hard for us to put out ego aside. If you when you you know, just petty motherfucker's when somebody says somebody's great, the like.

But I questioned myself. I was like, I asked myself, what makes this mother great? Right? And I attribute to our call the Muhammad Ali moment. You got some people that could probably get you the laugh harder than Dave whatever. But it's not too often that you have a Muhammed Ali moment where the decision you make it's going to uh change your life, could change your life. Muhammad Ali like, I'm not fighting, you know what I'm saying, And I was like, that's what separates and that's to me, what

makes a great person a great comment? What is your contribution to the world. What do you think about Cat Williams's statement saying that Eddie Murphy can't be your favorite comedian because he hasn't put out any material over twenty years. He hasn't done sstand up. I mean, first off, it's a crazy statement to tell somebody who can't be your favorite comedian because it's all subjective. It's all subjective, and it's like, what you like, you know what I'm saying,

I don't. I don't he what he what he was saying that he was going by catalog he's saying, you know, stand up wise, you know, stand up wise. You know Eddie was great in in in the in the eighties or whatever, but you know, maybe early nineties or whatever. But he's saying stand up performance by stand up performance. He don't even consider Eddie Murphy because he don't have

the catalog. But I say to that personally, is that But if if you were to believe what Cat is saying, then you have to strike off Biggie Smalls off your favorite rapper list because he still because Biggie don't have the catalog at all, you don't even have remotely had to if you're going to buy a catalog, Biggie name will never be mentioned as somebody's favorite rap. I think in that case, he probably was speaking to his fans,

you know, the people that ride with him. I think that that's that's a And I got a lot of respect for Cat Williams. A lot of respect for Cat Williams. I really respect the guys in this business that don't have to be on TV every day, don't have to be in everybody's movie, that created a fan base, a loyal people that will support them forever, like Cat Williams. And that's what stand on something and stand on something,

and that's what he empowers himself. And he put it back to where the most important people and that's what people just buying the tickets, you know. And Kat Whims said, people talk about him whatever, But man, anybody to be able to be in this business for thirty years and be able to steal go out there and make an honest living. People like Danielle, what is your goal? Is a comic. I don't have to be in the blockbuster. I mean, I got a dope as resume. I don't

have to do that ship, right. I don't eat off of that ship, you know, the actor ship that comes every once in a while. But I can't. I say, but the only thing I don't want to do was have my name strong enough where if you put my name on the marquee, I can eat and I'm winning. Anything else is a is a bonus. I mentor a comic friend of mine name just June, Old school female community. She was like, Danielle, what is your this? When I was super young in the game, she said, what is

your what is what do you want? What is the ultimate level of success? And I started She said happiness and everything I said, you know I did with any younger. I was like having my own sitcom, you know what I mean? Having that this? She was like, we are living a dream. We're already living a dream to be able to provide for yourself and your family through God given talent that you love doing. That's the win. But we get caught up. You start trying to get people.

This person, got that person, this, this person got that whatever. But what gives you your happiness the fact that my fucker's getting mad. When you said, when I first came today, you said, how you doing, I said, Billy, I'm doing so good. I'm embarrassed even shared with people right because nobody want to root for you. You greet the mother hood first. It's how you're doing. Oh man, I ain't doing nothing. I had your hand, I throw mine in.

You know what I'm saying. We live of that, But once we found out what it is, what true happiness is. You are living a rich life, and the life richness of it is your mindset pandemic. Lash here. If you went through that pandemic and you didn't realize what's really important in life, you'll never get it. And what is true happiness for me? Simple ship, Being able to provide for my family, having a relationship with my son, having a relationship with my friends, being around uh, like minded people.

You know, what I'm saying being around positive energy and as you go through and this because you know we go through ship people we funk, but we don't funk with you. Know you'll get there. You remember when you first started. I had a guy hit me up a couple weeks ago. Yo, d or you act like you don't funk with me no more. I want to say, I don't h right, but the name because I don't funk with you. It's because we don't think a lot

anymore like a lot. And I had the terns like, yeah, but I remember you used to you used to look out for me blah blah blah. Because I this one guy in particularly put them on Chappelle show. I got a morning it was I used to do. I was like, yeah, we used to. We used to do that. I think you think you think jay Z is still friends with everybody started with motherfucker's started. It ain't no bad way, it ain't no disrespect. It's like, all right, um, when

I see you, I see you. But if I'm making a conscious effort to call you on birthdays and all that type of ship. No, but we can still have a mutual respect. We just understand that we're on different we were living different lives now. If you want to imagine Johnson said this, if you want to bring your conversation up, if you want to level up with me, let's go. But I'm gonna get bored with the ship you're talking about. I feel that, man, because you know

I love my family to death. Man. But there's some of them. Uh. If I know they're at the gathering, I'm not going because and it depends on what day it is, too and how I'm feeling. I have to be up to it to go because I just feel like being around them that I'm stunting my growth. It's like, I want to grow. I want to move forward, not backwards, and I want to around the same people, and I just feel like, I just feel like some of my

people are stuck and right. I want to be around like minded individuals, people that can help me grow, people, people who can contribute to that growth. People don't want What you want to do is like people get so happy with where we are right now. Right Nobody wants to start at the bottom of anything. Even when I was doing County for six months, i lit d c up. It was nothing else I could do with be a hometown hero, right. I was like, I'm at the top

of the game. I could have got so much pussy whatever, like yo, he's something funny high. But I was like, no, it's time for the next level. I gotta go to the bottom of the next level, work my way up. And it's always searching for that. And that comes with getting older and wisdom. You notice it's so easy to have a good day now, only you, unless it's some medical ship or health ship. Only you. You control your day when you wake up. You choose how you want

to live that day. You want to be pissed in the world or you want to be happy. You want to call the motherfucker that's bitch, you know you want to call him motherfucker. Got some ideas what you want to do? And then what do you in this game? What do you bring to the table and are you wanting to work for it? I remember years ago when Chappelle's show was popping and everybody's like, asked you Larry this, ask you Larry this? And that. I was in the

airport and Ludicrous. I saw Ludicrous in the airport, and I still get kind of freaked out when I see some of these people that I admired and I look at a certain level like connecting me like oh ship, and I'm like, oh ship. They're like oh ship. Right. So I saw Ludicros and I said, I said, what's up, Nigga? I said, I said can? I said, can the motherucker getting a video or something? And he looked at me. He said, we're looking for people with ideas. Guess what

you have? Idea? But I wanted to hand out. I was like, he said, we look at people ideas. I was like, all right, I'll talk to you later. There's no don't talk about But it was a lesson for me, like, don't ask somebody for something. If you can't bring nothing to the table, why what I need to just put you in the video? Because you asked me, Larry. I think I grew up with asking people. And it made me think when if I if I ever extend myself to anybody, I'm gonna have what. Okay, I got this,

I got this, I got this idea. Let's go and if that don't work, I'll keep it moving. Yeah, where they put you in the new movie coming out of Winning Time talk about that? You know this? I was telling you I was like, you see how you doing. I was like, yo, I'm like, it is on fire right now. Who are you playing? James Worthy? I played Uh? I played magic ill attempt of being funny. Really I hit it with up but they're winning. Going back to it,

the reason why I feel so blessed. I feel like, uh, everything I've been working for it started to come together since the pandemic. I did UM, I voiced des del Barbera and Disney Pixar's movie Um Soul, which want to ask her. I had a couple of cameo episodes on BT's twenty I did be a mephis which is like an underground like street hip. Nobody want to see that man. You played her, You played you played a creepy more attician, and some people said that was my life, said that

was my life. It was a freak. That was another example. And I was so lucky with that because Tasha Smith, who directed Like the she directed the the pilot and like maybe four or five episodes. She called it. This has been the story of my life and acting. For the most part, I don't book stuff of an auditionous people that said, yo, I want him, I want to work with and she called me with that, she said, mother, and I got a miscall from it, right, and did

she she go hard? Tasha goes, she said. When I found she said, nigger, when I call you, answer the motherfucker phone because know certain people they call you know it's some good ship, right, And um, she put me on. She put me and being meth is that role. And it was hopefully like it's got a new season. I heard some talk that they're gonna probably try to stretch their character out and do more. So it's could just

be another opportunity for me to play Make Believe. But to winning team HBO project, it's uh, it's a story about Magic Johnson and the in the eighties and how fucking epic the run was. And I played his father's um good friend that works to the plant with him myself and earthquakes and the two man Earthquaker works and again we like good friends. All we do is funk with each other. But it's a it's a nothing for me.

It's gonna be good, it's gonna be dope. I've been good in some I just feel like, you know, you've been doing something for a long time and then you people around you start getting excited and they think everything is a surprise, like, oh man, what happened? I can't believe Yes, I believe it. This twenty seven years, just seven years of NonStop when it's always something new coming out. You know where we are older guys. You know, this is where I can't stand with these mothers and be

like relevant? Are you relevant? Motherfucker? I'm Dannielle Rawlins. You know what I'm saying. I'm who I am. I don't have to be the hottest motherfucker. I was like, you want to talk about relevance, try doing something for thirty years and still being able to maintain a lifestyle doing it, And motherfucker's you you motherfucker. When we're talking about yesterday, I said the dompest thing I like about the podcast the podcast world, it's so unfortunately hip hop because we

don't want our legends to get older. You know what I'm saying, We don't want them to grow. You know, like you got those rock bands and ship you see these motherfucker's when they barely had no hair to gray and they support them the hip hop they don't do that, and and yeah, they we have a wheel chair and everything but in hip hop it's like, uh, yeah that

Prince was hot then whatever. But and I was telling yesterday in your case, I was like, this is such a great platform for you because you are you a legend, You guys a legend. You have stories. You have stories that can't just die with you, you know what I'm saying. And this platform gives opportunity for to see you know what this history is like? Did it for Joe Button's Nonarriega? I love when I see my fucker's I grew up whatever like this, all right, mother fucking yes. We can

still make music, yes, but you have to wire. You get into it like, okay, what am I getting up this music? Now? Right? You get to the point like this. We all then got pussy off of fame. But he was like this after why you're like, yeah, I want that money to be even. I came over to Hawko. I ain't know was a somebody told me years ago. I said, fame without fortune, it's like a bitch having an abortion baby. You never made it. Damn heavy? Yeah you know that's heavy, heavy, heavy, that's my drop. I've

talked to my fame. I want the dope because when times get drastic. You can't take a fucking ego to the bank and cash it. I'm not impressed with your big house and fancy with If you can't pay cash, you can't afford the ship. What they say say less what else you say? And that's it. Well, I bet he looked. Man. You can come on here, man and say more any time you want to. Man, I had a good time. I'm glad that you I'm glad that you decided not to go to strategy you had last night.

I'm glad you probably call your family family members include your son, and you probably what you what the chances? I know he was like, you think I should do it? What's the chance? Alright? What you think you gonna hit me with? All right? So what I'm a counter with. I know you had a game plan. I know you had a game I did not have a game plan. No,

but I appreciate, Um, I appreciate the interview. Appreciate a legitimate interview where you can talk to talk to a motherfucking get to know him away from the stupid ship. It was a good time. That's a really good friend of mine and um we talked, you know, as much as we want to talk to each other. We have we have each other's number. And when I was down, so I would always get a funny phone call from him, I'd be like, dog, please don't make me laugh. I

couldn't do. One of my friends, one of my good friends, forty right, he got shot years ago, right, and I can't help us. I wouldn't go see him. He had to go see my man. Right. He had the stables and this ship saying. He was like this, he was in that motherfucking like this. So he was like, don't do it. Stuff that stuff. He was like, stop playing. But I'm telling you man, me being here, me meeting y'all and knowing, like like just knowing that I know y'all.

Motherfucker's I'm telling you man, for yo, I get so much credit, like with the people I grew up because man, y'all, motherfucker's I grew up in the DC, right, d C with y'all. Oh yeah, no, chap with y'all. Hard you probably like first of all, for used to go with go gold mans. This ship we sunk with that next face, I was like, funk that nigked. I've never said it. Always be proud to say that I know y'all positive, positive, much love to you. Man. We need to go get

some more chicken. Though. You're gonna stop disrespecting that kidney son. You will stop disrespect Come on, sign, stop disrespecting the kidney son. I can't have some proper no, all right, well I'm done with chicken. I mean I go back on my diet. Now we ain't doing I told you we're gonna have a security. Just come to my restaurant. Man, get some seafood restaurant the station we gotta we're gonna have to drive, were like thirty minutes. Wait, what what's

gotta get ready? I'm feeding for some for some seafood. Because you're gonna find you so disrespecting. You had to say it like that. No, you know you looked at you said it's you said it like get the funk out of here. No, it's no, it's good bro. Energy. I don't have no energy. I want to go, man, we can go to Come on, man, you're doing that, man, come on wrong, lash too far. It's three o'clock. It's three o'clock. We're telling you for a show seven. This

is getting to my right now. I am hunger right now and I've been feeding some seafood, but we're gonna get some seafood. Let's go. I gotta go get ready for the show. Okay, so we go to more one. Yeah, let's do about one. One o'clock. Is good? Is it like end or dining and everything? How many seats? It ain't got no roof on it. I got cruel people like ten or twelve people were good roof though. So if it's coldamar and rainy, we're fucked. We got he got full, We improvised, We wait outside. I want to

know he's just making it up, assholes? How can I can? How can people get in contact with you? Though? You know rawlins uh at Donna rawlins everything. I'm google Bow. Yes, you won't get a lot of TMZ hits, Bud. I'm saying, just just stip through that ship and get you the funny stuff. Much love you. This episode was produced by a King and brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio.