The Booker T. Episode

Don't get it twisted on code and me and dancing for no buttament biscuits. It's really d y'all scar facing the building. Collectively we are the ghetto boys. Reloaded, reloaded with another episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. I guess today then Conquerable Black Snow, Cold Kid, book up, Book of

Tears in the building. Y'all. Oh man, it was good, but before you get started to be good, the real Black Snows pros Black Snow is actually a real poet um here in the city of Houston. Man. Uh So that's where, yeah, man, I was actually um giving Black Snow props, you know, bringing them to the big screen and just let them know that how much I appreciate it. That one night, um that he gave me here downtown in Houston. I'm and one of the hotels and my

wife and I would want a chance. I got a chance to go check him out spoken word to night and m I was reluctant. I was like, baby, h you know, but she's like, come on to school with me. And uh, I got a chance to hear Black Snow And he was so awesome. Man, he kind of opened my eyes. He told a story about um m mrs Ms Jackson and the three boys, and um that that story totally that just thinking that that was literally maybe I don't know, ten years ago and I still remember

that story, Um that he told me. It was just so powerful. Yeah. You know book, Uh you know we we we got we got history man. Yeah. Man. And and like I like I said, Man, I had to let you see my little boys grown okay, because when they were little bitty boys, I had to go see book. Hey dad called book. Let's go see book called the book hey man. Some special times. Yeah it was man. Book book was always one thousand man with me and

my children. Man, he never he was a superstar. I'm talking about a big ass superstar bro like the first and only the Tiger Conways, when you win a bell, No, no, you're the only. He's the only. He's the only brother in the UH wrestling UH world to win a bell. I've been d he won the North American and Championship. Actually, the one brother who stepped in before me was run Simmons. Yeah, he put it down in deie c W before me.

But when I came along, it was a lot of guys that pretty much, um you know, created the blueprint for me, even though they didn't know they were doing it. And so many of them did it in so many different ways. So when I came in, I looked at those guys and I tried to take a little piece of every one of them and then add um something to it to catleput me to the next level. Because you know, we we black man, we were always looked at differently, um than than the others. And so to

say it's it's safe to say that that that that's all. Uh. It's a fair amount of racism going on in the World Wrestling Federation too. I could say that it's a fair amount of racism going around in the world everywhere, everywhere, But I just a little small pocket, right, No, no, let me let me. I'm being straight up with um. And I say that because no matter what you get to go, you're gonna get racism. Um. But in a company like UM, it was in business like professional wrestling.

Just think about it, Um, You guys been the Ghetto Boys and so many other young um black kids growing up. We never thought about wrestling as our way out of it. Never did that of us thought about wrestling, you know what I mean. That was a sport that white guys did. That was a sport that you know, totally was you know, off limits for as us making it to the next level because we didn't see any of us at that next level. We didn't what we saw. We saw Tiger

Conaway Jr. We saw Rocky Johnson and Junkyard Dog. We saw have access to that, we had Tony Atlas. Yeah. Yeah, but it's for us being world champ, you know that, for us being able to look at that. Guys say, man, I want to do that, I want to be just like that. I can't I can't say that because my uncle rotten me and like he's a very cruel dude. Like I was a little smaller than him, I think like five six years older than me, and he was

the World Wrestling Federation champ and my grandmother's bead. He the man, the man withou you jumping up in the man man and he'll jump and drop kicked me off the bed into the dough. But for me, I wanted to be UM. I wanted to be different. I wanted to be um considered world championship material, but more importantly, but more importantly, I wanted to just be the best guy in the locker room. You know, yeah, yeah, you know so. But it was it was a hell of

a rude. Hey, I saw you with me and Jane and you said the N word though, yeah you know what that that that's been um that from the hood man and being caught up and and and totally um you know the moment because you know, everybody know what I was from. You know, everybody knew, you know, I had been to prison. Everybody know I didn't grow up with us. And the thing is I talked to um those guys because I'm in a business word, I'm the

one percent. Okay, I'm the one percent. Um. So for me, Um saying that, I mean just to put it out that me saying the N word in front of that was just funny. No no, no, no no. But but but but I like this, no no, no, no no, but I like to educate on it. Um. My peers had never heard me say the N word before that are after that because that's just not war. I took my work. So I felt like when I did that old television in front of the world, I let a

lot of young black kids that looked up to me. Now, even though it became an anthem, but for me there again, I teach my young people. You know, you gotta know how to change your levels. You know, just because you're in the hood, UM, don't mean that you gotta act like you in the hood all the time. So for me, Um,

that moment I had to catch myself. It definitely was a moment that I educated it was sucking fire and we know it was an accident, and we know what was unintentional because you know you're standing up that would means zene man you fire. Imagine though, if that was to have been in I would have lost my job, and UM, my whole you know, landscape of my career would have changed, you know. So that's why I talk

about UM. That's why I try to educate from this moment where because with young people, one mistake, one mistake, that's all it take to change the whole landscape of the way your life could have been. Yeah. Question, let me ask a question. Have you ever accidentally heard somebody real bad in the ring? Because that ship that y'all doing is like a lot of people think that's bullshit, But man, coming off the top rope with another body on you, that's the real deal. And you're not a

little bitty do all that ship. No, I never heard anybody in the ring. UM. Wrestling for me, UM, it's always been an art. It's you know, it's a science. Um, it's um too. You know, suspend your imagination for that moment in time and make It's like going to see um, you know, a great magician, and you wonder how you make the person levitate. Uh, he knows exactly what he's doing and he's making you believe it. That's what I

tried to do. Kind of. No, But the thing is also with wrestling for me from a perspective, unlike just say, for the instance, a lot of you know, the young guys you see coming up now, Um, if if I whack you, you know, I'd apologize for it. Um. But but it was it was like not ballet. You know, it was as raw as I possibly can get when I was in the ring, walking a very thin line

because you know, it is um simulating a fight. And if you it's just like say, for instance, I tell my students, you don't actually have to know how to do it, but you have to look like you know how to do it very well. That's too too hall of fame rings. I want to be. Oh man, I found my way through Neil South Park, Texas. I was you know that the Stone Wrangler. You know what you gots man, you to up in that and you know, and for me it was easy. At what point did

you move from U? What were playing leading? Right? Playing dealing? Yeah? Plain dealing? Yeah yeah, plain dealing Louisiana. How does a kid from plain Dealing Louisiana make it to the international stage? Hey, man, my my mother, she still some some values in me, um, and they stick with me to this day. Please thank you, yes, ma'am. No, sir, it doesn't call she anything to be nice to people. Um. She brought us here when I was five years old, and and that right there was the beginning, UM seeing

something totally different. Um as for his life. For my family, UM, I'm the youngest of eight and for myself and my sister were the entertainment in the family. UM. You know, we always wanted to be on soul trade. UM. So for me, entertainment now entertainment was was great. There again, I talked to you guys, don't want to perform to oh man, I wanted to be. I wanted to be. I wanted to be Louis. At one point I really wanted to be. But it was yeah, being being fascinated

man as a kid, Uh, growing up rocher Garty movies. UM, getting getting lost in time with with stuff like that because I wasn't a big I wouldn't. I wasn't big on school or anything like that, just because of my situation, UM that I was going through. I lost my mother when I was young kid. I lost my father when I was a young kid. So I was trying to figure out, you know, you know, what was the next

meal going to come from? Opposed to you know what it was, you know, like in English class next day, How old were you when you lost your mother and father? I lost my father when I was ten months and I lost my mother when I was thirteen. So so my you know, sister, Now we was gonna we were arfen. Um but um I talked to young people there again. I tell them, you know, you play the hand, your dealt um and and in life, you know, life is the hardy thing you're ever going to deal with. Um,

you gotta figure it out. Um, you can't. You can't wait for someone else to figure it out for you. And then the thing is along the way figuring out, you gotta make some mistakes. Uh. And and the thing is you gotta learn from those mistakes. If you don't learn from those mistakes, you're gonna wind up in the same spot. How do how does one walk from the penitentiary into walk out of the penitentiary and into the

wrestling world? Like how did you get that break? My brother? Um? Actually, uh yeah, my brother last Stevie Ray, Uh yeah, he was always love wrestling since we were kids. And he knew a guy, Ivan Putsky that was opening a wrestling school and yeah, yeah, guy that I was working for sponsored me to go to the wrestling school, and uh, you know, the pretty much the rest is history. But walking out of prison, you know, one thing that motivated me was the guy, the CEO on the white Horse.

He said, I see you when you get back, you know, and and the thing is, and the thing is, I'm sure um he saw a lot of those guys lead that yard, you know, come right back over and over. That's what I'm talking about making those same mistakes. I wouldn't want. You know. My thing was the first time I was in the back of the police car, I ended up in prison. First time. Yeah, yeah, I never, I never. I had never been to jail before in my life. Um, the first time. That's why I say

one mistake could change the hosts and girls. I'm telling no seriously and um and um so when when when he said that I see you when you get back, you know, uh, I did not look at him like he was a racist or anything, even though he's white guy in the white white you know, big horns. I didn't look at him like he was a racist. I looked at him like, you know, he's saying that for he's one or two reasons he's he's saying it because you know it's something that could possibly happen, or to

motivate me not to come back there. And that's what I used it for. And uh, I never you know, seen a prison sentence jail cell before after that. Do you ever use your celebrity to go back and speak at prisoners? At one point, I was doing that a whole lot. Um, right now I'm not doing it a whole lot, just because I got so many other business ventures and I'm working with kids on a regular basis. Um, I'm always about giving back. But you know it's force

the prison system. You know the book, you know, the book is out, and um, I definitely make sure I spread it around. From prison promise, you know, yeah, yeah, from prison promise, from promise ladies and gentleman, definitely, And uh that's so it's something that gets uh you know, you could you could read and it's what the thing with prisoner promises. You see my life and you see how it turned out. Anybody can do it if you put the work in. Yeah. Have you ever thought about

doing your own um wrestling set up? Yeah? No, no, no, no, I'm not talking about doing the coaching part. No, No, he's a promoter. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I got I got my own Reality of Wrestling. Yeah yeah, promotion. You know, we got five thousand subscribers and on YouTube that watch that show on a weekly basis, and um is the show. How can we find um? Just go to YouTube slash

Reality of Wrestling check it out on the regular. Um. But we found my show in Texas City at arena at that book or t World Jim Arena, and uh we're out there every month, um doing it and trying to change something. Remember do you remember Paul Bosch a weather ring of Paul Bush. Yeah, that's right right here. Six years let me yeah, this ring is six years this Paul Boshes ring. Yeah. Man, Paul bosh Man, Texas

legend man. Man, you know what do he represented? And and you know he was he was like a mentor to me. And you know, I never got a chance to meet him or anything like that, but I was a young kid, you know, from the opposite side of the tracks. But I saw exactly you know, his heart and what kind of person he was, Like I said, even though I never met him before. Um, you know, working with the the p A B. A. To Progressive Amateur Boxing Association. UM. He is the founder UM here

in Houston for the Boys and Girls Club. I don't know if you, UM, but esperiually so for for me to see, you know, old white white guy, you know, trying to change. You know, young kids live no matter what color they were. You know, he definitely was inspiration. How did you get your hands on the ring? I paid a lot of money for it. I bought it, but I bought it from his wife. Yeah, his wife was selling the ring and she wanted to go to someone in Houston. UM that was close to the business.

And I represent Paul Bosh. I keep his dreaming. So I feel like a superpower. You know what, man, I'm gonna tell you. Ever since I bought this ring, UM, my wife told me I didn't have to wear my wedding ring. This is my this is will be my red ring going forward. UM. And I've I've had nothing but good luck through the pandemic. UM. A lot of people lost. UM. As for as wrestling schools, UM go,

and my school grew exponentiously with as for students go. UM. Like I said, my YouTube channel went from a hundred thousand to five hundred thousand in one year, and UM, I'm you know, just say, for instance, UM, one of my students, her name is Angela, UM, came to me three years ago for kids camp. I'm sorry, UM, fantasy camp. It's the camp that I do on the weekend. And uh it's sixteen years old. And now she's nineteen and she's in the w W you know. So yeah, yeah,

so that right there is something for me. I'm more proud of, you know, being able to produce the next generation though, UM opposed to anything that I'm doing right now. But that's good for the company too. That's good for business. Oh yeah, just like like like uh this like like uh Sam, he was in college. Are you getting people in the Yeah yeah, we had three hundred people people the pandemic. Um yeah, yeah, no, definitely. That's so dope. Man. You you got your own game brewing, you know what

I mean, it's only gonna getting bigger. Man, you're sixteen years. Um, it doesn't you know, it seemed like it went back like that, but we've had our wrestling school now. Sixteen years. Sixteen years also marks another milestone. That's when you got married. Yeah, man, you're sixteen years married for sixteen years that going and oh, man, my wife, we were like a tag team that can't lose. Man. You know, she's my you know, my left hand. Uh, seriously,

we do everything as a team. You know. We got ten year old twins and and it's um, it's been a journey for us. And you know, life is life is tricky. Uh, you know, you gotta really be all in when you you got you got something like this, when when specially when you're trying to build um at the same time, it's got to be a love that's stronger. I mean, it's it's my wife is my queen. She's my queen. Um, we've been together twenty years now, and uh it's still seem like we just got together just

last week. How stupid we are and how we play around and dad hadn't left. You know, the fire is not gone or anything like that. It's amazing. So so what is give give us some relationship hecks man? You know, like, like what what makes it work for you? You know, as a man, you gotta you know, just you gotta be able to compromise as a man. Man, It's it's hard for a man to say, you know, he's wrong. It's hard for a man to say, you know, baby, you know you know you write about that. UM, it's

it's it's hard to um. You know, let let the wife have you know, certain responsibilities because you feel like you should have that responsibility. UM. It's got to be a fifty fifty thing. UM. As far as UM making decisions go, UM nothing. You know. It's just like say, for instance, UM, I have nothing UM to hide from my wife. You know, my phone ring, she can answer it. UM, I don't have a you know, a burner phone. I'm all in. You can't have one ft in and one

ft out of the relationship because it's not gonna work. Trust. You know, the trust thing. It's gotta be plus percent um as far as a relationship go and then working. UM. And I know that because I was divorced and my um once and then my first wife. You know, she did not understand me going on the road and making money and UM having to you know, go to the bar a lot of times and get something to eat.

And you know, because I'm in the bar, you know, she might think she's thinking it's a party going on because but but that's the only place we can get something to eat being a wrestler after a show. Um, they kept kitchen open force Uh. I asked my ex wife once, uh, and I say, uh, what do you think I I go when I leave on Friday and don't come back until Monday. And she said, I don't know where you go? And I went. I went in file for a divorce that day because I knew that

relationship wasn't gonna work. But y'all gave it a good run. I was five years, five years, no kids, um um, and it was a it was a It was a rocky relationship for you know, three of those five years, honestly, you know. But I was wanted. I was the type that when I got married, I wanted it to be to death, do us part. And that right there. It's really really hard, um to be with someone and want to be there to death or do us part. And

what I'm what I have now. It's the hardest thing in the world, thinking that I could lose my wife one day, you know. But I gotta be able to look at the life straight in the face because that's my woman. I love her, you know, So that's what life is. We got two kids together, and I got one kid he's thirty four years old and he's right now in prison. Uh for the same thing that I did back when I was in youngster aggravated robbery. Um and um Why he didn't learn the lesson that that

I learned. Why he didn't learn the lesson that I tried to teach so many other kids right now? Um Man, that's a hard question to answer. I can't. I can't. Where did I go wrong? You know, I can't tell

you that. You know I have the same case on my record, right and you know, I'm sure Like for me, when I was going through my situation and I was going through the process to court and all that stuff, and you know, dealing with commissary not seeing your family members and your girlfriend and all that kind of stuff, I had already made up my mind when I was sitting there watching those damn television commercials that's showing the food you see, Like, I don't know if if anybody

has ever been in jail, can tell you food has never looked more delicious? How bad when you're in jail when you see even pizza man, when you see pizza when they just show you the pizza like and the cheese man you'd be like, man, I got to get the hell out of that Popeye's chicken. Man that the flakes on that it'd be just sold. Be like right, my mind up while I was in there and I wasn't going back, And some guys they'll be in the man and they'd be thinking like, well, if I had

just done this, I wouldn't have got caught off. When I get out, I'm gonna do it a little bit differently. I'm gonna still do what I did. Institutional. My brother, he's institute. Warn Yeah. I mean he go to jail every fifteen minutes right now. He not yet because I just like, maybe a couple of months off. I mean, he cool, but but I'm pretty sure he don't want to go back home for a little while because that's hopefully one hopefully got to figure out. But every since

seventeen years old, he's been going. You know, that's the way, you know, but that's the way some people life. He is. Some people get to a point to where jail is the new him for him. A lot of people feel like once they go through that, that's as far as they're gonna go. Um for me, Um, I knew jail was not the place for me. You know what I knew. I never saw myself throughout my life time. You know, I never imagined myself going to jail as a kid just because I was a good kid. I wasn't a

bad kid, all right. I wasn't a kid that was out there trying to get in the ship and you know, trying to get in trouble robbing and the stealing and stuff. I think that just wasn't me. Um, he was a good kid that did a bad thing. Well, I just was I got caught up. I talked about being in that whirlwind. You know, once you're once you're in the cycle, you know, you didn't get out into a stop. Um. And for me, I was in the cycle, and you know what, and I wasn't gonna you know, I didn't

want to get out. I was having fun, you know, even in that moment, you know, the chase, even you know with the robberies, it was you know, it was a it was kind of like a kick from from a perspective, not understanding what life is really about and what were that kid could actually take me? Um. And then when I got in jail, you know, my sentence range from five to ninety nine and then I stopped taking out Okay, whole life flash. Yes, so you're like

convenience stories or we were robbing up fast food restaurants. Yeah, yeah, you know fast food restaurants. Really Listen, now, well, I ain't gonna tell nobody what to do, Like, I'm not trying to tell somebody what to do. I'm just saying that, you know, there's a certain convenience too, uh robbing fast food restaurants. I'm just saying, what's the convenient. I'm just saying, you know, like you get the prize of the burg on the way out reaching the I'm trying to figure

the convenient. Well, most food fast food restaurants, Uh, you know they're safe in that room, right and uh yeah, if you can just get to the manager, you know, like come on, you know you can do that at any bake. Why go to the restaurant? Well, well, well, well the bank has more levels and and also the bank is federal, so they're taking a lot more personally the bank. But if you go inside of a restaurant, uh, then certain things fast food restaurant normally normally they keep

it normally they keep the safe safe open. Right. Well, not normally, not normally, but it's it's it's not hard to get them. Now, here's a deal they wanted. Now having said that, boys and girls, please do not try this at home. It is a horrible idea because here's the thing about this thing about robbering, just like selling dope. Eventually, yea,

eventually you will get caught. Because here's it's what happens is that most people they will continue to do get It's hard to miss that fast, getting money that fast, that easy. Like I mean, Pablo Escobar, you know, somebody who had had millions and millions of dollars who could have retired, but he said, man, I gotta keep making this money. I think that when you that goddamn how you can't retire. Well, I'm just saying, you know, but but just think about this money. Just think about the

boys down there in Atlanta. You know who's making all that money back in the day, you know, you know the boys, uh Big Beach, the boys, Um, they were making so much money. But it just seems like but it seems like you have enough money they want to walk away from it and and do something with just

calling your man the game. I think I think Also I think that, like, I think that the lifestyle really is addictive, just like any other I think the lifestyle, I think and in the same winning that money and that money come that fast. Look man, I mean, I mean you're like cry story. You're like crying story. Look at John Gotti. John Gotti, he was all in. He said, I'm a gamester, you know. He said, I'm going to easy, to go to prison. I'm gonna die one or two. Um,

but I'm gonna do my thing. So I understand, you know, getting caught up in that lifestyle. But um, you know, man, it's life is is is so quick, and when you got that kind of money, you could definitely, um live it the way you want for a lone time. Why you know, cash out like that. That's what I want. Yeah, And I think I think it's like what I said, I talked about fast food stories. No, no, I ain't talking about that. I'm talking about making big money like

these guys. And why can't you walk away from from the game. The game is addictive. I've been in the game, um um, but prison made me see that. You know, I didn't want to be in the game, and I wanted to do something legal and make some some real money and live life. You know what I mean, because I don't know what that lifestyle is like. I don't know how I feel, but it's got to feel good.

That is in money in wrestling for the individual. I know it's money in in wrestling for the actual promoter because we have paid three, four or five hundred dollars for seats in the damn Toyota Center. Uh, you know, the Summit. I'm lying in the Summit, man, to go see some some damn wrestling shows. Man. And it ain't no different than the rap game. You know. The guys who are the guys that top make the money to

guys you know, that's you know, drawing your house. They make the money to God, that's some of the most merchandise. You know. He's you know, making money, you know. So it's a it's a very very lucative bitch. Um. I got a million dollar house, you know, so I've very well for myself here wrestling was a champion though. Man, Well that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. How are you making up in the bag. That's just like in any other spoord and thing is it's like you

just said, you know, the promoters making his money. But the promoter what's the guy's name? But but but but the promoter is going to make his money. But if you get caught up, but caught up with how much money he's making, then you really get lost. You get lost, you know what I mean? So I at thinking about how much money you making? You negotiating for yourself exactly exactly?

And when when when young folks get out there and you know, get ahead of themselves to start, that's exactly, that's when they can blow a million dollar deal up. You know much money. You know what happens. I'd like to say it's a million dollars a show for something for some wrestlers. Oh no, a wrestler don't make a million dollars per show. Um. Wrestlers are contracted and they make as much money as you know, um, their start power take them um as far as you know, how

higher up you're on the card. Um if you're in the main event. Uh, certain pay per views, you know what I mean? Stuff like that? Don't you in a pay per views? They definitely definitely if you, like I say, if you uh the bush, everybody don't get that everybody. I'm just saying, if you a main event guy and wrestling, um, these days, you're making easier lill. You know, throwing back to what we were talking about about the about how you get caught up trying to count somebody else's money

instead of being focused on your own. Uh, this happens a lot in the music industry where I know, like very talented people they're so like obsessed with nobody fucking over them that they end up sucking themselves because you gotta take a chance, Like I mean, you gotta, you gotta take a chance. And I'm gonna tell you, like

for anybody out that that's inspiring. If you're coming into the game, more than likely you're not gonna start at the top with paid Your pay grade is not going to be on the level of those guys that inspired

you to get in the game. You know, Like if you look at from from Michael Jackson and Stevie Want, all of these guys, Elvis everybody started somewhere and all I'm said, my first deal, gon, you gotta you gotta get your foot in doing Some of these guys they're never gonna get in the door because they're really just totally obsessed with this thing about not getting fun. Well, they really don't understand. I came in just say, first, just when I first joined um W c W company

I was with before w W f WW. My first contract was seventy five dollars okay, now seventy dollars for me as a kid coming out of South Park A year. I was like, I'm like, man, I'm like, I'm like, I can do that. And uh. But it was guys that was nowhere near talented as I was making two d fifty thousand, and I'm like, I could have been you know, like you know, like hey known that whatnot? Um, But I said, I gotta get my foot in the

door before I can start making any moves. Uh. And then once I get my foot in the door, things that happened. At the end of the of that company, I was making more money than all those guys. Yeah, at seventy five k. How does that money dispersed? Like is it? Is it over a number of fights? And how does that go? Um? It's you get a check in the mail every every every other week. It's not over a matter of fights. You know. I had a guaranteed countract SEV year seventy five a year. Yeah, that

was my first contract. Yeah, and I don't know if my my first contract, I don't know. I may have worked, um hundred fifty days out of that year. Yeah, what do you think about it was seventy five dollars from compared to my last job making fifteen thousand. Absolutely, you think about the UFC fighting, you know what, I love the um to to talk about it. I love uh, you know, um watching it, um, but I wouldn't want

any of my you know, friends to do it. Uh. It's not a sport that the human body was meant to do. Well, it's it's like, well, the thing is, I would like it a heart. I would like them, I would like exactly. I wouldn't like it a whole lot more if those guys got paid more. They don't get paid no whole hell of a lot of money. You know what. The top guys, well, the top guys get paid, UM, get money, but you know, they don't make more money than the top professional wrestler you know,

nowhere near it, you know. And and when you see those guys going out there and beat themselves up on a on a regular basis, you know, in their careers only last most of them three to four years. I've seen so many of those guys start their career and finished their career. It's not even funny. Um in their careers after this over with, you know what they're gonna

do after that? You know, So most of them having you know, over their career, just say finished and then the UFC eight years and you look up how much money that they've made, just say they made three point five billion dollars and eight years. That's like, that's like working every day. It's like having a regular job. Yeah, when you gotta wait a minute, wait a minute, three

point five and eight years. When you got a house, a wife, um, kids, insurance taxes that that three So that's that's that's that's more like you know, considering considering taxes, first of all, that's about three hundred thousand a year. And then if you got family and house and cars and all that kind of stuff. I mean, it's still that's still the average person going on how you live. Yeah, right,

that three hundred thousand dollars a year. For me, that's not you know, you know, that's not a whole lot of money. Like I said, when you got kids and you know, wife that you gotta get a hat of nails done. You know, wife, they got to get their heads and nails done. Man. Man, they don't know how serious that is. Not have a black woman EASi serious her, miles, Man, you might want to go outside the race just for that alone. Hey, happy, I'm not saying no, I'm not

saying nothing. I was told my wife I was married a white woman before we ever got married. I told my wife I'm married a white woman. Now, why why did you telling? Because it was afting experience I had with my first wife and we were out, was having in Vegas, her a bunch of her friends. We were just talking and that's I'd never married black woman again. Her end up getting married. We've been together for twenty years. She was like, I'm gonna show you because you know,

women like having first wife had nails alone. Right. Have you ever looked into like getting into like acting and stuff. Well, you've been in a few films right already. Yeah. I like going all the way. I've been in the front of the camera for thirty years, and uh, I like producing. I like being behind the camera. I still have to do stuff, you know, in front of the camera. Now, but it's not a place that I really want to be, even though I'm comfortable there. But I just I'm just

so past that part of my life. UM, and I just want to do something else. It's not about me anymore. UM. It's far as being in front of the camera. I just like being relevant these days. I don't want to be the start. I don't want to be the guy in front. I like being you know, low keying behind the scenes. Um. But but staying relevant it's really really cool. Uh. I'll give props. You know. I always say, you're never gonna be the guy that's always on top. Um, somebody's

always gonna boom take that spot, boom boom boo. But the people to stay relevant and being played, you know, it's very very important for me. I like that bad buddy he wrote a song about me, and uh and he got it book or team and you know, we did the video, and um, I said, man, that's really really cool, man, for a young Puerto Rican kid write a song about me and keeps me relevant from my whole different genre and then a totally totally different form

of entertainment and go, wow, that's pretty pretty cool. So sometimes you have you need someone else to keep you relevant. But you gotta you know, but you gotta know how to you know, keep yourself in the game. You know, always oh yeah, but that's the thing, you know, But that's the thing, you know what I mean. And I

appreciate that so much. Um coming, I can say from a kid all the way across the water that doesn't even speak English and he's watching me on television and he goes, that's the guy, you know that I like, you know, and it's just it's humbling in a lot of ways. But but I'm always about the future. I'm always about reinventing myself. You know. I'd say, if I had a flat top of the fade, you know, we would probably be having this conversation because you know, I

probably wouldn't, you know, continue to move on. So I had to change the way I looked aged what you know. You know, I do things from a certain perspective just to keep up with young people. You know, I gotta saying, you know, um, we said respect your oldest for years, I say respect your young people. I work with a lot of young people because they in the future and

they definitely know how to create in this world. That we're living in right now, so you know, just knowing how to you know, keep up with the times or the times and pass you by what I like to, you know, think about more than anything. Yeah, what about that that dog? Didn't you have a dog? About thirty action figures? Yeah, that's what's cool, man. I never a kid come and grow up growing up in South Park. You know, you don't dream and stuff like that. You

don't think about that kind of stuff. But you know it's cool, you know, it's it's all. Uh, I love it, you know. But I'd never look at myself like other people look at me. All right. I don't look at myself in the mirror and seeing nobody else other than Junior, the kid who grew up you know, you know I'm still the same person. I never can look at myself like other people look at me. Uh, I'll lose focus on get what I'm really here for. I don't look at but I don't look at myself as a celebrity

like every like most people do. Um, I'm humble. I'm humble. I'm very humble because you know, I know how hard it is to get there, and I know how fast you could go away from How do you maintain your control when somebody who knows your history knows who you are? You book a tedious international celebrity, they know you are, you're a tough guy. How do you maintain control when you know somebody's trying to push that button to get a reaction? I go, I give him the reaction? Name one.

You damn right, every time? Every time, just like just just say first, I want to go. I went out to eat one day, me my wife, and it was just a couple sitting right here and we're standing right here waiting to get our table. Okay, and uh we wait maybe ten minutes so they're getting They finally give us a table, give us a table over here, we sat down or our food person still sitting over there.

They're eating their food. They finished eating their food. They come over the over to my table as I'm getting ready to start eating my food and go said, can I get an autograph? I said, I say, hey, b excuse me. You know I'm eating right now. If you catch me after that finish eating, you know, outside it He goes, and he goes, oh, man, you know you don't have to be an asshole. But I don't want to autography. The funk with you was when you was eating your food. I said, did that funk with you?

Did I funk with you when you was inating your food? You know, get the funk out of here. So I'm human just like you are. I got emotions just like you are, like you do. And I'll go there just because I feel like I can protect myself. You know, it's just that simple. No, No, it's just but but if someone you know is trying to irk me, you know, I'm gonna give it to But but like I say, I have a say, um, it doesn't cost me anything to be nice to people. That person could have had

that same consideration, but he didn't. You see, I don't know. See I gotta tick in my head. So I don't know if I want to think that I could maintain control and I think about these type of things, but I want to maintain control, like listen, man, But I don't know what had happened if somebody tried me like I don't. They might on a particular date, I might you know, I might let it slide on another date. You know what I'm saying that I might knock the head.

I might be checked it and shake for me. I'm I like I like to test myself. I like being confrontational sometimes if somebody, if somebody, you know, rub me the wrong way, I'll get confrontational a heartbeat. And just because I still feel like I can protect myself, I still want to know if I I still want to get in the fight every now and then. But but conflict is costly, right, you know, conflict is costly. Even

if you win, you could take a nail. And and and that's and what I mean by that is that you know, first of all, you gotta watch you back, especially you know, you gotta always watch your back. Anytime you get into a physical confrontation with someone, you have to watch your back. And another thing is that let's say you beat the head in you, you go to jail. You know what I'm saying. Now, you gotta get gotta deal with lawyers. You gotta have this jury. Sometimes that is not that

don't that don't don't you can't. You ain't gonna never stop being a man, if you know, it's just the way I don't know, that's that's the way I am. I'm I'm still the same kid it that was running around on the streets, I got my I got you know, I got money. Now. I mean, I'm you know, a person that people saying they know I'm somewhat famous whatnot. But I'm still the same person that I've always been and I don't ever want to stop being, you know, the person being able to man up and and and

tell a person man funk off, you know. I mean, because there again, if someone put you in that position to have to say that. I don't know. For me, it's a release. My wife she always gets. She always like, baby, don't your baby, baby. You know what I'm like, you know, I gotta do it. You know you was telling you, was talking to tell it was the kids came to my house one time. Let me tell you what happened to me. I was at my house on a Sunday because I was on the road. Um, I was wrestling

at the time. I had an ice pack on my knee, was football on, sitting there watching television, and I have a gat around my house and the doorbell was ringing. I gotta give a bell out there. D D D D D D D D over and over and over. Um, I'm like, what the hell. I'll go to the in a calm I say, who is it? You know, here's some voice to say his book or tea here and go to the door now. And I opened the door and I'll go, you know, what do you guys want

to go? Who was some water girls? One is on the gold cart, one is on on a on a mini bike. I go, teenagers. One's eighteen, one's nineteen. So they're they're eight, they're of age, they're grown as far as I'm concerned. Um, And I told him, look, guys, get away from my house. I don't sign autographs at my house. And and the kids said, well, fuck you didn't, nigger. They took off on their mini biking motors and a little up gold cart. I go to jump in ice

pack with flying off my knee and stopped hurting. Not my adrenaline and endorphins went everywhere. I go jump in the hummer. And my wife like, baby, let me go with you. And I took off, you know, go down to the end of the street. Get if I look, can't see, if my turn right, just to see if I go this way, they might be down there. Finally I saw both of them, one of them on a little mini bike. He went down this little area why I couldn't go in my hummer, but the one of

the gold card, I cut him off. That's what I'm saying. Sometimes, when you get pisched off, you go a place that you know you normally would go. Um. The kid on the gold cart, he went through these people's yard and he's literally doing dough nuts in this gold card and these people's jars, probably a million two billion dollar house. You know. Those people came out the next day wondering what the hell just happened? Like it comes out on the street. I followed him in by hammer right, I

get up on his back. He goes to these other people's yard and the chain comes off the gold card. I put the hummering park and I power walk to him and I said, you better not run. I grabbed him by the back of his head. Open my hommer door, and I threw him in the hommer. Okay, now get in the other side. Let's say call me that. Now called say it again, and you know, he was like, I'm sorry, man, it was my friend. Is. My friend said take me to your house. Man, I want you

to tell your mother exactly what you told me. So we're going to his house. Before we get a couple of blocks. It's like four police cars behind me, all right, you know, just like you just see I gotta get that each other. But now I get out of the car and the cop goes of what's going on, man, you know, and I tell him exactly. You know, I didn't get the trouble or anything. Um, But if I go there, I'm gonna go there, and I don't accept the consequences when they come. Um. It's just like going

to court. You know. You know, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you gotta lie, you gotta think. I feel like I always try to feel like the truth is gonna be on my side because you know, I have nothing to lie about and hopefully that a workout for me. My word has been that's bad. Wait a minute. That wasn't a kid. He was a crown as man. He was he was grown man. Yeah.

I was sharing with with Book of t earlier that I had a similar story, Like we were talking about this kid, these little white kids that were these kids? Why are you talking about I didn't want to make presumptions, you know, they said, you know what I mean, I would have I would have did the same thing. If they were black kids. So I'm at home on the weekend, like it's early. Nope, I'm the type of dude that nobody rings my bell that I don't know if you if you knock on my door, I got to already

know that who it is. So I hear to do a bell ring, I wake up. It's like nine o'clock in the morning. I come through in my role. I got the shotgun hanging. I got my shotgun hanging, and I just opened it, or I could have looked out the window, but I wanted to let them know it's a man in his house. So I just big confortation. Yeah, confortation opened the door and it's like four little white kids standard outside and they're like, uh sorry, Mr D really D, can we get an autograph? And I was like,

you got the shot good by your leg. I'm like, oh man, be careful now because I would have shot you. But but I want to. I went ahead and gave the kids some autographs. But but but after that point, I didn't. I didn't. Every house that I've lived in Sensus had been gating, oh man. And the thing is, you know people these days, you don't know why didn't knock. I've had people knock on my my my actually read

that bell at midnight. Um literally, But you know, actually for me, you know, so you just never know um with people these days, so you gotta be confrontational sometimes. And for me, I'm I'm very I'm like I'm like a pit bull, especially like with my family, you know what I mean, I'm always thinking about them as well, and sometimes you For me, I know, I'll put my families safety before mine any day of the week. I don't I take a bullet, no matter what I mean.

I just know I would give a bullet. I'll give one exactly what I'm saying and then take the consequences of what happened. Um, just because I'm still that person, I'll never want to lose that. Yeah, you should only want to make sure I can get away with it. Yes, I think I think the key is to to have the intention of getting If your life is an imminent danger, you can pop. And that's what That's what nobody comes. We texted, Yeah, if your life is an imminent danger,

you should. It doesn't necessarily mean that that they won't try to drag you off into a courtroom. Are you going to court. Yeah, you're going to jail. Yeah, and your firearms getting confiscated, right yeah, well yeah, yeah. It all depends on it. It depends on how zealous the prosecuted is brown, black, and I live in the state of Texas. Every every prosecutor go ahead, every prosecutor trying

to move up to judge. You know. So you know when I was, when I was in uh the county jail, this judge, his name was you may have heard of. His nator's name was Judge Ted pol And I say, human being with caution. You just see what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm talking about. You know. Sometimes like uh like just making a joke but being dead as serious. Man, they'd be like, well, what about Kamala Kamala Harris. Yeah, I like Kamala, but she didn't locked him on the Ted.

That's what I always say, Hey man, I'm gonna tell you right now, man, that that name ring fear to every sale in the county. Man just hoping and praying that they didn't go before judge that pope because they knew they was gonna get a whole lot of times he locked up his son. Hey man, you know, so that that everybody in that business, you know, they're trying to move up. That that's the system. That's the system of it. It ain't about saving lives. It's about, you know,

how much money I can make. Remember that time, to remember that time when the uh when he told a guy that having any steps, it takes for you to get up to them to the bench, that's how many years? How many years? And in the dude roll and he let him go. I didn't hear that story, but he was notorious for those types of star man. Yeah, that dude rolled up there to him and he met him.

Go hey, man, like I said, Man, that that name ring Fear and and that right there, that right there just lets you know how big of a game it really is. You know, if the if the guys in the cell block no, a certain judge's name and and that name could totally determine you know, their life, yeah, the rest of it. Yeah, it's amazing and it's cold blooded that that man we want to with another man in that position, unless he was a rapist or a

child murderer or some ship like that. But just because the man, you know, I was trying to feed his family and he was hustling, you know. Yeah, some of these him with this ship in the first place. Some of these judges and prosecutors, they are who they convict, you know, they are who they sent to jail. You know, they are that that and that's the irony of having a human beings sit in judgment of another human being. Oftentimes they are the person who they persecute and prosecute.

Why are the sentencing guidelines different for black people than it is for white people? Yeah? Why why can't Timmy get caught with I mean, it has nothing to do with that's nothing to do with race. Well, the thing is who wrote the laws? I mean, I mean I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't. Let me straighten that out because something some food out there probably listening to the podcast and going like, what did you say? That have nothing to do with race?

All right, dummy, listen, we know what it is. We know what it is. I mean it's America, man, I mean that's what it is. I mean, like I said, it was written that way. I mean, it didn't happen like that. Yeah, how you making stop if that judge sentence that black dude for more time? Than she sentenced that white guy. Then I feel like the judge need to do the remainder that time when she gets popped. You know the way the way I look at that dude, I mean, I mean, just to be real. That's the

only way I can keep it. It's real. I talked about this all the time, you know, we we're talking about you know, the centisen guy's lines and this and that and whatnot the other that. I think that's one part of the problem. Um. I think the bigger part of the problem is putting yourself in that situation. You know what to deal with from the beginning. You put yourself in that situation and you get caught. Um I said it, I said it earlier. Um As for my situation, go,

I played the hand that I was dealt. Okay, now you find yourself in in front of Ted Poele, you're gonna have to deal to hand. You you you're dealt because you put yourself in that situation. Got sentienson God lives, yet they should be a whole lot different than they are. But um, I said Mike Tyson having that young eighteen year old girl in his hotel room at two o'clock in the morning. He put himself in that situation for that to happen. She put herself. No, I'm not saying

she wasn't grown, But that ain't what I'm saying. That ain't what I'm saying. I'm saying Mike Tyson put himself in a position that he didn't have to be in. If Mike Tyson wanted the piece of ass, all he had to do was make a phone call and it would have been straight. I mean, we're in this we're sitting here in this room right now. If a young woman come in this room and then leave out this room and the young woman came out women, if this young woman came in this room and started doing something,

wait a minute, No, no, wait a minute. No, I'm just I'm just letting you know. I'm talking about put yourself in the situation, because I've been in the situation. War I'm in the hotel room and all the cocaine come out. Okay, I could stay there, do the cocaine if I want to, and then I could leave that room. And then uh that that. That next day I go go to work and they said, you got a drug test today. I gotta deal. I gotta deal with the consequence.

What I'm saying is that I put myself in that different. No, no, it's different. Different. We're talking about consenting adults. And we let me said, we're talking about adults. What we know. What we know is we're talking about adults, right, and we all know that if you have two wrong folks who are in a hotel room, you know what mind you two o'clock in the morning, two o'clock in the morning,

we know what go down? All right? The only reason and this could have this could have this could have happened. First of all, this could have happened to anybody when Mike, when Michael did no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it could happen. It couldn't have happened to anybody. No, no, no, no. I'm gonna tell you I've been in this situation. I have to before. I've been in this situation before with the young lady and and and she said, no, I don't think I want to do that, you know what

I mean. And the first thing I say is, Okay, let's get up and let's get How do we know Mike didn't say that? Well, how do we know he did? Yeah, Well, we don't. And that's why that's why the press, because anybody, okay, okay, watch this, watch this. I'm with a young woman. And and and then like let's just say, let's just say, whatever happened, I decide, you know what, you decided you don't want to do anything. And I say, okay, all right, we'll see later. And you walk out, and now you

how at me? You get that? You know what? I should just say he tried to rape me. Well, okay, let me say that. Well, so she might have wanted something, perhaps because it was like, funk that I'm not giving you anything. Maybe okay, I got something for your ass, you know what. And that's and don't you guys, you guys are missing the point. The point is Mike Tyson put himself in a situation for something to happen. That's

just that's okay, what I'm what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that what I'm saying is that all of us put ourselves in a situation for something. No, no, no, no, no, that's not true. That's not true because like I just I just gave you a scenario about the cocaine coming out. But that's your choice. No, thats no, that's not that's not what I'm saying. It's not that. That's not apples to apples. Okay, okay, no, watch this, Watch this, Watch this. We're we're all um, We're all in um in the

club together. We're sitting in the section. We're sitting there, We're sitting in the Let me get you another. Ah, we're all sitting in the club together. We're in the v I P section chilling. I'm not in everybody that with Brad. Okay, we're chilling. It's girls in the v I P. All right, Um, a few people get up walk away. Your left in the v I P with some woman that you don't know. Next thing you know, the next day, oh you know if it's high and

you probably even spoke to the woman. Next thing you know, this woman is accusing you of rape. This woman is killing. Okay, to prison for that, yeah, you can costly with the prison. You can go to prison for that. Come on, now, all the person has to do, all the person has to do is accuse you of something, your guilty and to have proven innocent. In the United States, tell me this, Why didn't Mike Typson go to prison? That's not America with a racist cordia in Indian Apples, Indiana, mind you,

the harm of the cool the founding territory. It is funny. Well, like I said, like I said, you could you could white wash it anyway you want, if you if you said, my thing is this year, if you're selling cocaine and you get caught, you put yourself in that situations no, no, okay, nonute? Where the choice? Okay? Absolutely, okay, Now that's a choice that that that is a choice. But okay, you're selling

the cocaine. You don't think something should happen. You don't think you you don't think it's a chance that you wait a minute, you don't think what you wait a minute. You don't think the chance. See, you don't think it's

a chance you're gonna get caught. Absolutely, But if you but if you, but if you are walking to the store, if you're walking too a in a store and you see a friend that you know at the corner store and you stop to speak to him, and the police roll up and find some dope, they take him, and you did you put yourself in that position? Well, that that's a that's a totally different for me. Personally, I

want to take with me personally. Ain't gonna be walking on the street and meet somebody that's got some dope. I don't know. I got some dope right now. No, no dope right now. I don't know that family don't know. I don't know. Well, I don't know. The way I would the way I would explain myself and me personally, I got lawyers, I would say I had an interview, here's the email for me to be here. Will sit by, like I said, I will plead my case. If I if I went to jail, if I went to jail,

I would would I would go to No? No, no, no. The thing is if I went to jail, if I put to jail, I put myself in a situation that I shouldn't have been here. Did I know I should have been in that situation? No, but I was. Maybe I shouldn't be so many people that put themselves in those situations that you speak of, but there are so many people that don't and they end up in prison.

We end up getting that live snatch away. We see the stories now my time, I put myself in a situation situation because you was going to the story, No, no, no, and you walked away from I put myself in a situation. I'm saying, you put yourself in a situation where you was at home chilling and somebody identified, somebody identified the guy that robbed the store. If I like something, book of Book of T can't prove what he was on that day, he got a problem. I don't think the

Book of T is gonna have that problem. I just don't because Booker T in an international star. Know everybody knows what books. Everybody no not if it's a big no no, if it's a cold pay you listen. If there's some action now, if it's something it's a camera right there, that's gonna say. That's ain't putting myself. See, you're trying to cover for the crisp. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not gonna cover for the criminal. What I'm saying, like I said, even with Mike Tyson, was it was

it he did it or not. I'm not saying whether he did or not. I say Mike didn't do that, but I don't happen. He didn't have to do it. Okay, did o J Simpson do? Yeah? He did? He didn't. Okay, did not you didn't even agree on that. You can't even agree on that. You know, if O J didn't do it, If o J didn't do it, he was right on the side of Doe saying do it like this, don't do it. He did it. No a white woman,

white woman. Y'all can't even agree if O J didn't know the guy who killed this other guy looked like scar face. Now suppose the police when it came to my house. Okay, no, no, this is my point. You want a celebrity and you get accused of murder, and you get accused of murder and your celebrity, you probably did it because they will. They will falsely identify people all the time, common people. But they got it right

because they know they'll get well. Putting yourself in a situation, Okay, why did um um um um O J. Simpson get off because he had That's not why. No, no, the reason that no, no, no, that's not why. The reason why O J. Simpson got off is because that's not your money. Well, if you if you let me explain my point the reason why, just like what we're talking about right here, Putting yourself in the situation, if you

put yourself in the situations can happen. Okay. Now my thing is this, you got you got, you gotta, you gotta Okay, you can take take you uh, your medicine, medicine, your hot medicine. No, no, what I'm saying was O J. Simpson. This is just my theory. O J. Simpson got off just when we're talking about right here, person putting himself in the situation. Was when you put yourself in the situation, some ship could happened. O J. Simpson. That you can't

put itself in a sky. Okay, let me finish my point. O J. Simpson. Got a cop on on that's working on this case, that that found the glove. Okay, wait a minute. That okay, that that said all kind of raised the ship on taple. Okay. He put himself in a position to get on stand to get uh totally made it look like a fool. And that's the reason why O J. Simpson. If that one cop, if that one cop would have been alleviated from this whole thing. O J. Simpson would have been the prison for the

rest of his life. But for two that's the only reason. Two words. Let me tell you, let me tell you. If anyone looks at that case and see a cop come understand and say I plead the Fifth Amendment because it may incriminate me. If the cases shouldn't, the case should have been dismissed. From that point, he didn't two words. It was a lot of two words words. Was that Johnny Cochran, No, man, that ain't it. That ain't need

at all. If that cop wouldn't have been understand, I'm gonna tell you right now, O Jay Simpson would have been in prison no matter I'm any lawyers. He yet that's the only thing that that had on the floor had blood from one side of the sock to the other. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, did oj do it? Okay? Do it? Can't even that whatever it ain't got nothing? Then against bro, you ain't got nothing? Then, Willie, how are you think he did?

This is why I think he did it? Okay, First and foremost, it's like book T said, no, no, no, don't you by now because I know what I'm saying. I'm speaking about celebrity. I'm speaking about celebrity. For you to be a celebrity and you have a limousine driver on the way sitting at your house waiting on you when you're supposed to roll out. We all know that. When the limo you're on the clock and you got to go to the airport, you forty five minutes late

to get inside of that limo. You forty five minutes when you got to go to the airport. You gotta be on you gotta be you gotta be at the airport. Nobody knows where you are for forty five minutes. Nobody, nobody knows. Think, think about right now, you got nine You can go to the airport thirty minutes before you have to get on the plane and get right on that something that's true. But he got a cut on his hand, right, she had to cut on No, now he had to cut on his hand. Somebody bandits on

the flight back, not on the way going. Okay, so he had to cut on his on the way back. Then he in the car. Okay, okay, with you, my wife, my wife, you just got killed. Okay, let's say you Okay, okay, So let's say you. Let's say let's say you was accused of killing someone. Right, you're accused of killing someone? What you with a red A normal person get inside of a vehicle and threatened and take the police on

a low speed chase and threatened to kill himself. If he's in that is not something that I'm destract And we're talking, we're talking about you having They haven't even said they're gonna lock you up. At this point, you're just a person that they want to question. I just want to and you're riding around think that they already they already had um took o J right now. Wo They talked o J when he came, when he came back from that point right there, Oh Jay was scared,

o JA. So that that's what I'm just Oh J was o J was scared. Say, man, you know they called you know, they called you the lam and you're getting the jail man. They go put the meeting and he was hiding up. You know what. You know what My thing is this if I was if you know, if I was on the jury, I can tell you this here. If it wasn't for Mark Ferman, I would have convicted him. Do I think O J did it? O Jay had something to do with it. I feel

like it's almost impossible. But there's no fucking way. Like I never called me for jury duty. But but the thing is, I don't never. I don't know because the black man gonna always be innocent to me, bro only and you know your family, unless he did unless he messed with an old lady. Uh uh, killed the kid or raped somebody. Uh you know what I mean. Like, but but he get caught with with a pound of weed. It's the ship man. It wasn't him. Well we weren't

talking about talking about exactly, but this black guy. But this black guy, excuse me, this black guy's being accused of killing this white woman. And clearly the guy, uh Goldberg or whatever the name over there right, you're Goldman and Goldman, Oh the mob some money man like you said gold Like, what what case? Y'all talking about? What case he talking about? He's talking about the case? Yeah? O J. Simpson, you know what O J said? He was guilty himself. How about that? I ain't gonna say.

He said, you know, is it a book not that that you go watch this? I know he said, if I did, I know that, if you had, I know you would never do something like this. But let's say if you did, huh was accused of killing your wife and you went to trial for double homicide. You it was a trial that was exhausting and embarrassed your family,

just tarnished your relationship. What you would you write a book say if well, like I said, if I had done it, I don't know if an arrogant killer, you know what you know, I don't know if O J did it or not. But he's getting charged. My show had it. Let's get OJ on the show. Come on the show man and explain yourself. You know what I'm gonna tell you right now. If you get with him, I'm sure we'll hold you out there right now doing the thing. He got his I think he's got his

own podcast as well. Yeah, he's doing it yet I'll do yours. He's definitely on Twitter, Yeah, I mean on Instagram. Yeah, yeah, he's on to you out here myself. Ain't put you in a five star Willie will So, Jay Simpson, I mean, I mean he's a killer, but he's he's still still you know what the thing is that gotta be you got it, You got it, gotta be in a man we've done right, Dn't kill that dude. Man. You're in the Hall of Fame twice, two times as a solo

single and your single and and tag team do. What's your brother? How many people has that? I think four people people in the history of wrestling. Yeah, yeah, we're

like the four husman. Yeah, wrestling. So which came first? Uh, not singles saying tag in twenty nineteen, Nona, um doing it when my brother was one of one thing that I cherished that nine years being on the road with my brother having my back, uh, knowing that I could pretty much do whatever I needed to do just because I had somebody watching me that was gonna protect me at the same time. And yeah, yeah, yeah, and um, I always looked up to my brother as far as

being like a like a superhero. But at the tag team, we uh we set the bar um as far as going out there and representing letting a lot of you know, young kids say man, Harlan he is you know that's the stuff right there. But yeah, yeah, yeah, singles running was awesome too. Never in a million years thought I would be a singles wrestler. Um, not something I ever thought about doing. Into it happened. Um, But um, I was always say, preparation is the only luck you're ever

gonna have. You're not bad, You're gonna You're definitely gonna

fail that that's trademarked. Yeah, but it's always been my thing right there, Man, everything that I've wanted to do in that business, I want to be the best at it as well as I want my name the ring, you know, with the guys like Rick Flair and all of those top you know, flight wrestlers and I and there again making it to the Hall of Fame and pretty much put a stamp on you know, I did it, you know, um at a certain level, even though sometimes I mean not, you know, just like a lot of

a lot of uh, you know blacks who you know, broke barriers, you know, such as Doug Williams, you know what I mean, they don't get talked about as much as they should. But um, you know, we know how good Doug was and and when he put put us on the map as far as a black quarterback going out there and being able to do it just as big as anybody that ever, you know, through that ball. That's what I thought about, Uh, you know, Doug Williams of the world. You know that's true. Man, Doug don't

get nowhere near the type of credit he should. I mean, it was such a stigma for black quarterbacks in the NFL before Man and then you see this influx of uh players Huh, I mean quarterbacks coming in, black quarterbacks coming in out. He don't get the credit that he's I mean, Doug Williams put us on the map. Um was was black quarterbacks Doug Williams, not that I know of, I don't think so. Yeah, that could be wrong, but yeah,

are you? Are you you have a relationship with any of these other wrestlers that that we may know of, like the you know, wrestling has never been some something for me that came up trying to make a lot of friends. Uh. I just never thought I could make it to the next level having a lot of friends. Uh. You gotta walk a certain way when you do just about everything. Um, your reputation follows you all the way to the end in this in this business, in the

wrestling business. Um. So for me, I was always you know, thinking about being and focus um my respect, you know level. I had to keep that intact more than anything, keeping everything from a business perspective, that right, there was something I thought about, uh, more than anything. Um. Just like say, for instance, my peers never saw me in a pair of jeans throughout my wrestling career. You know, I never

saw me and I respect myself more than neighbors. You know, I had to respect myself even more so then than they did in order to get it, you know what I mean. So I put myself on it on a pedestal. So I made sure used a certain way all the time. UM. I never just say, for instance, you know we're sitting here talking about putting yourself in a situation, UM for something to happen to you. UM just say, for instance, UM, to get to the next level, everything had to be

you know, done a certain way. Now, not not saying that I haven't done these things or not, um, but there again, put yourself in a situation for something to happen, UM to you. Now, a lot of the guys respect me at a very very high level. Okay, we're on the road. A lot of the boys know my wife. A lot of them like her. They might like her more than they like me. Okay, but we're out on the road, we're in a different country. I come through the bar. I got a lovely little white woman with me.

We go upstairs, whatnot go that? Come back down. I go to the bar, Now all of those guys that see me, they may not say anything, but the respect level because they know my wife, some of them, that respect level is gonna way down. Okay. Now, I'm not saying that I haven't done that, But if I did do it, you ain't gonna do it. You understand what I'm saying. I'm not gonna do it. No, no, no, that's not That's not me. But I'm just saying, you

put yourself in a situation. I never wanted my respect level to come down, So I never would put myself in that position for those guys to see me, that respect me, that like my wife a lot more than myself. Um, for something like that to happen. Now, you know, I'm not know why you know, Um, I'm not getting pushed like I was before. Man, Why they stopped pushing me? You know what I mean? Man? Why they don't like

me anymore? Now? You know? So it's you gotta know how to not put yourself in situations for ship to happen to you. That was my point that I was trying to make earlier. Um. So for me, um, um, I'm I'm always about trying to think about how to get this business taken care of and um, you know succeed more than anything. Yeah. Well Mike Tyson did not, not that he did. But like I said, he put himself in a situation for something to happen. What was it he put himself in that situation or not? Um,

he was in that situation with that young girl. Um, and the girl was eighteen years My wife, Um, we like I said, we married twenty years ago. My wife won the Miss Black America that year, and I could see my wife being naive in Mike tyson room and some ship happening. Okay, that's why I say that my wife won that contest that year. Okay, she was in all of the videos with Mike Tyson, you know what

I mean. So that's why I say, you know, at eighteen years old, you are impressionable, man, especially with someone like Mike Tyson, the baddest man, the most powerful man on the planet. Chose you for my young kids and like like brand and Bryce three and nineteen years old. Man, And from what I hear, like the girls and and even you Chris, like the girls do, there was something awful man. So I can't give her a pass because she's not giving her a pass. I'm not giving her.

But I know how I was when I was eighteen. I know how I was when I was eight I nave well, well, I know, I know I got it. I went to prison man, being naive, like I said, naive because in stupid, because I didn't realize I could get five and ninety nine years in prison, putting myself in a situation, not knowing what the consequences could be if I got called. That's what I'm saying. I put myself in that situation. Some sh it happened to me.

I got lucky, God bless me. I'm gonna give you five years, give your chance to make this ship up. But like I said, I still had to walk through that five years. I couldn't say, well, no, I did it, um, And I got called, and you know, nothing happened happened to me. I got called. I did it. Though I know I did it, I'm not, you know, running away from it, whether Mike did it or not. Um. Like I said, being in that situation led him to go to prison and met Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson's a friend

of mine. I think this was a young black man. No, I'm no, I'm serious. No. My thing is, like I said, Mike Tyson is a friend of mine. You think I wanted to go to prison, I don't know. I don't want. I don't want to see no black man in prison. But like I said, we we as young, we as black men, put ourselves in situation for ship to happen us all the time. And we have a choice. No that we do have a choice. You know why. We gotta have it now, you know why we you know what?

You know what. I can't sit there and say that because I could have ended up going right back to prison. I could have ended up going to prison. And no, no, no, and I could have ended up going right back to prison if I, you know, kept putting myself in that situation. What we caught a break. No, no, I didn't catch a break. We caught it, we caught a b No. No,

I put myself. I took myself out of that. But you, but you caused some breaks alone the way because you could have no, no, you could have went before that. No no, no, no, no no no. I couldn't go to prison before I could have gone to prison for that. But but the thing is, I didn't put myself in position to go to prison because I wouldn't not that stealing cars. I don't know what I'm saying. I wouldn't

hang out an we was a kid. We agree with you that oftentimes, not just black people but black guys, but all people put themselves in certain situations that but we have a unique experience in this country as black men and boys and often and we are targeted. So it's not just us putting ourselves in that position. Of course, if you put yourself of course, if you put yourself in that position, did you get there? Though? But how

did you get that? Of course, if you put yourself in that position, you know, you know, you know, it's your on your own. But let's let's make sure make sure that we always acknowledge that we're being targeted and we're being hunted, and that and that and that and that and that and that is a that is a large number. Understand this day. I preach that that gets targeted and ends up in keep this wicked racist you

know what. That's all true. But I preach and teach us not putting ourselves in that situation, teach getting education before going out there is slaying and dry. Yeah, I do. That's I teach kids, you know. Yeah, if you just get that's that's that's that's some stuff that's gonna happen to you. Ain't got me personally. I can't run towards you know. Uh. They all condone it because like I said, my my, I got a son that's in jail right now and five years. No, No, that he did do

He didn't have. No, he didn't have to because he got a dance he would have action. No, No, he didn't have to. He didn't have to do it. But he did do it. And now he's he's he's paying the price war. And the thing is, no, I'm not gonna sit here and say he didn't do He did do it. He fucking robbed somebody, He put a gun to somebody's head. Somebody could have got murdered, he could

he could have been um facing the death penalty. And I want young kids out there that's listening to this ship to understand you put your fucking ass in that position, that's what's gonna happen to you. It ain't gonna be no game once they get their hands on you, because no, no, wait a minute, becut, the system is rigg to once you get in there to keep you in there, because it's before you get in there, well it's okay, that okay, that isn't what that's that's totally missing the point, man, too,

of this want you when you get it. The point is when you get in there, you're in their hands. You're there, when you get in there that they're gonna make some money off of you, and it's it's gonna be their job to keep you in there as longest they possibly can. That's the that's the whole freaking playing to the whole end of the end game. And my thing is to talk to young kids and young people are not even just young people, people in general, especially

black people. As for its putting ourselves in that situation. People always talk about these kids in Chicago. Okay, well they're banging they this and that and whatnot with thought some money at As for as just trying to get some education, My thing is this, if you're gang member, if you if you're the head of the freaking gang member, you you're the head of the game. You have a baby, all right, you think you really want that baby to

grow up and be in the game. Now you wish that kid could grow off and do get a job and be a lawyer or a doctor whatever. But if you ain't got access to that, I got you, you know what I mean, You coming, you come, You're gonna be right down with me. That that's the system to keep us in that situation. That's why I'm talking about, you know, trying to you know, rise up and come up out of that kind of ship. And if if we just keep talking about it to the point of

where you know, it's it's that guy's problem. Is that guy's problem is them against us. We ain't gonna never teach ourselves how to come up out of that ship. Because, like I said, I'm I'm the youngest of eight. I lost my mother when I was four fourteen years old. I lost my father when I was thirteen years old. I'm not supposed to be I'm supposed to be one

of those statistics. I'm supposed to be there. I'm supposed to be here, you know, having this conversation right now, and will too, and and and a lot of people too. But here's the thing. What if you get an education, man, and you can fly, you can fly rocket ship, right, but they don't give you a job because of the your skin. You know why? You know what I say about that right there? I don't I don't have you know I can speak to that because I don't, you know,

have any of that. But I figured out how to how to make it. No, no, I figured out how to make it in life. No one gave me anything that I gotta answer for that. Uh, stop sending our kids to school to get these degrees and go big. These people who are pressing us for jobs, we gotta we gotta start turning out. And that's by not putting ourselves in exactly what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about.

We gotta start thinking about ownership instead of working. We gotta get off that working ship because that that that is that is stopped working. I did I say that. I say that because you find something you you got you know, we all we got talent, you know what I mean. I remember, you know, those days back in the Ryanstone rank and watching you know, Willie d debut my Dick stage, and I'm like, that's the damn this song. You know what I mean? Well, you know what I mean.

Now I'm serious, but I'm like, man, this kid got talent, you know what I mean? And then I said you you you culture that you you you besides that, you really put time into that. And and the scar faces, you know, Willie did bush Be all the ghetto boys came out of it something that became worldwide. That's what this ship is about. Trying to figure out how we can create something. And if somebody's gonna see that, I

want to be able to duplicate that. That's what I'm trying to create more, no doubt, no doubt, and and and and and then I'm gonna say it again. Man, we we we we we caught a break. We were blessed. We were blessed. But there's other people and that that come from the same walks of life that we have, that that are not in position to catch these breaks, you know what I mean. They end up in the penitentiary or they end up dead because there's no hope.

That's the thing, right there a lot of times, you know, And and they hold myself with the well nobody explained and then that it can be done. Well, that's that's why I wrote a book from prisoner promise. Okay, I don't want to hide something, nigger, and you put it in a book, but no, no, no, no, My thing is, I ain't never wanted I want my story to be out there, so I ain't got nothing to hide. That's why you speak of I'm saying I'm I'm a mom stuff.

But I'm just saying that's the word of you don't want to try to hide something from me and put it in a book. I'm a fine exactly my thing is. But that's what the rumor. Rumor has it that I wrote a book. I wrote a book to tell my story about how I got in trouble, how like you just said a second ago, not even more than fifteen seconds ago, about people giving up, all right and giving up. Ain't got no hope? Okay for me? My thing is, you got talent. I knew I had talent. I knew

I wasn't a kid that was well. I didn't see what I wouldn't say. I knew I didn't eat myself as the kid on the corner too. I was thirty or forty years old, hanging out in the neighborhood, and I knew, I knew I wanted to do something more than that, all right? Did I know how I was gonna do it? Having no education, with dropping out of high school, Okay, going to prison years old, losing my parents and and literally having no like skills. Okay, what am I gonna do? How am I gonna make it? Um?

I gotta figure it out, you know, going after going to prison, you talking about um, you know, going back and you know, backing over and over and over. UM. A lot of times, you know, guys come out of prison, young people coming out of prison, and they feel like somebody or him something they really do, they really do. They're the same ones that that go into prison feeling

like somebody. Well that that's true too. But for me when I came out, the first thing I felt like I had to do was I had to get people to trust me again. Then you go, what don't nobody trust me? But the thing is, no one should trust you, Okay, So I mean come on, come on serious. So I had to I had to fix that, run right there? No, I know, I had to fix that. I had to get people to trust me again, to get people to trust me, man, And and nobody should trust someone. Should

you trust me? I'm a criminal watching someone trust me. I don't trust you. Goddamn right, you ain't gonna trust So that that's one That's one of the biggest reasons why young people come out and can't figure out how to go forward, because they feel like, I can't get a job. But you don't know nobody want to give me. Ain't nobody gonna want to get You think someone wanted to give you a job? You think someone wanted to

do that. I asked for help when I when somebody put their hand out to help me, I took it and I my brother told me, I'm gonna help you get a job. He said, no matter what that job he was don't get washing dishes, you know, sweeping floors, washing I don't get. He said, don't make me look bad, all right, do the job to the best your ability to something else come along, he said, can you do that for me? I go, yeah. You know it was as simple as that. I got my brother to trust me.

God gave me my brother, you know, because you know I got fired from that job. You know that my brother got me, which was a security god job out of coming out of prison. They end up finding out I had a record guy that my brother was working for. You know, my brother act man. You think you can give my brother a job? You know? The first thing the guy asked, my brother, can you trust him? M hm, Well, look, man,

I don't know about Brad, but I trust you. I trust you, and I tell you what, Man, you have done a great job to put yourself in some good positions and and and we we really appreciate everything that you have brought to the culture and everything that everything that you've done for wrestling. You're very You're very good dude. Man. I've always liked your spirit. You got a good spirit and the way you looked out for my boys and me. We wanted to come to the shows and all of that.

Ship man, Bro, you second and no man freaking act bro. Bro, We're coming around and come back to man. So shoot, let me know when y'all need some tickets. Man, I'm not even ever get it. I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming. Give me. We'll be back next month, I think. Uh, we got got a couple of shows. I'm gonna be one one year and one of San Antonio and one of Dollars. So we're kicking off actually a lot, actually a live tour actually kicks off in Houston. So what

y'are doing it? The thing? Um, it's gonna be too too damned the promoter it is. I'm just gonna be there talking, just like you know you're gonna be that talking to give you my money and you slam. Bro, I'm done, man, ever tied. Man, I'm just tied body to that part of my life. But I tell you what, man, uh, it's been a help and run man, it's been a help of run. I appreciate you guys for having me

in man, because I'm all about speaking word. Man. I like I hope they picked y'all off too much because my thing is, bro, you know what, we need more of that man. We need more of that man because our young people out there these days, Man, a lot of them they don't have anyone that they could look to that's walked in that position that they can say, hey, man, if if like Willie D, if Willie D could do it, you know I could do this too. You know, if to getto boys they came up out of the you

know we could do this too. You know, book or T did it. You know, I want to be like For me, I had a kid in McGregor Park one day and I went there and he recognized me to say, man, I want to be like you when I grew up and I go out, I'm the kid that came from South No. No, and that right there, you know, being a role model. I took that very very serious. Um,

and that's why I talked the way I do. UM, that's you know, like I said, that's why you know, it's the spirited conversation we had as far as our young people putting themselves in situations. I don't want. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't ever want to see you know, some young kids get you know, shot, they call again. I don't never want to see another George Floyd incident. Did George Floyd put himself in in a situation? Um? You know, talk about that for a sake. I don't.

I don't think George Floyd put himself in a situation. But I don't think. Um the way it was handled helped to me. You know what I mean with that have happened? Um, anyway, we don't know. Man, that man, No, not what and that clastrophomics you know what, That's exactly what I'm talking said. That's exactly I agree. No, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Finding ourselves in situations like that. We gotta figure out how do we get ourselves out

the situations? Even if we find ourselves getting in a situation like that, how do we handle it in that situation? And why are we in such a russia take this guy to jail over a bill that that made you know, it didn't seem like it was in the fist that should have you know, it didn't merit the man. No, it's not something to degree disagree old, it's something. That's what I'm saying is we gotta figure out how do

we not get ourselves a situation like that? And if we do find ourselves a situation like that, how do we get out of them? You know, what's what's what's? No? No, what's the what's the answer? The answer is well, no, no, no, no. Specifically, what he's asking is, what's the answer to George Floyd's situation if once the police rolls up right and no, nothing, it's just as well as this, what's the answer for us to for for George Floyd to still be here

right now? Let's not let's not talk about what the cop did. No, not, that's not what I'm saying. No, that's not what I'm said. Stop it that where's that twenty bill? That Okay, let's put the market on the No. I understand that. But what I'm saying is we as black people, we find ourselves in these situations a whole lot pers That's true, that's true. But I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to I'm trying to figure out the answer to how do we how how do we

figure out? You know, someone like George Floyd, you know, him dying and him still being alive. Well, I think that I think I think that the honest answer is once the police rolled up, comply period. Well that that is That's that's the right. Look man, look in now here's why I say. You're not gonna beat the police on the streets. You cannot. It's their streets. I don't give them what the game members say. They're the biggest game. Okay, you can't beat the police in the streets. You fight

the police in the court. You know they're gonna win in the streets every time. So the thing the thing to do is when they pull up and they do what they do, you know you already know how they feel about you. You already know who they are. You know that M O so you know, the culture. So when they pull up, hey man, just comply. And the thing is what you want to do, what you wanna

do is you want to get through that situation. I always say that anytime you're dealing with the police, Like, first of all, you want minimal contact with the police. But if you have to come in contact with the police, then your job is to get them out of your presence as soon as possible. You just want them or your presence as soon as. The longer they stay around you, the greater chance you have of being violated. Yeah, yeah, that's that's definitely true. That's definitely true. Now that's why

you know, I'm you know, me personally, shouldn't have happened. No, it shouldn't have happened. Uh take you know, get situations like that to where we walk away from those situations opposed to you know, getting the bullet of someone yelling on this or something like that. We confiscate bill and let the man walk. It wasn't like he had ten thousand of him. He had one dollar bill. That we don't know was if it was taking not taking mark

mark on and look at it. Take the twenty dollar bill and put it in the evidence and told man could have still been a lot of the day they hadn't been a white guy. That's exactly what they would have been, what a situation it would have been hadn't been a black cop. He wouldn't have been dead exactly. That's that's that's probably true too. Then my thing is, like I said, like you said, complying, I totally understand that. I understand him being class to phogic because I'm class

to phobic. I understand that too. And that's not a lot of ship, a little bit of car cramped up, it's a lot went on, but it's no but but he's that's that's a person. That's a person that should you still be a should still be alive. And on another just that, and on another note, if you have those type of people policing our communities in our areas that have no no feelings or nothing towards us, no compassion at all towards us, they shouldn't even be well,

they shouldn't be on the force. They shouldn't be I got a problem, shouldn't be policing there? Well, I got a problem. No, no, no, they shouldn't be policing period because because when we when we come outside of our communities are predominantly black communities, we're gonna face them, and said, they'll be sitting back just waiting at the you know, at the line, wait for you to cross that line. As soon as you crossed that line. But it's a it's a need to be. It's the same. It's the

same that the cops are for. With the cops are for slave patrol. Okay, I thought something different. I thought, no, not the police. The one thing that I ate here more than anything with with the you know, the police. Stuff that happened with the police is you know the higher ups, you know, the people in government, you know, even the people on the force. They say, you know, they used the word bad apples, and then I hate that term bad apples. We got a few bad apples.

And from what I've always known about the term bad apples, one one was small on the whole. Butch wasn't bad apples small the whole. But that ain't what Michael Jackson said, Jesson one that apple don't father whole bunch. He's alive. His hands was flying too. But like I said, and that's what I when they when they say stuff like that, you know, we got a few bad apples. Yeah. Yeah, polices should be uh dealt with um on a on a broad basis, because that that is a big problem.

It is a it is a lot of racism in certain police um. And and and if they is and then and they're not afraid to show it a lot of times, especially nowadays. And and I'm scared because I got ten year old kids, you know what I mean. Look at the Senate, y'all. Look at the US Senate for follow races. Uh uh police, Well, that's that's that's that's that's a big part of the problems, part of the problem even during slavery, I mean, you know, the whole half. Well, that's why it was so hard to

get rid of slavery. You know a lot of people just when they think about slavery, the emancipation, all that stuff, they only focus on Well, well, my thing is always my thing is you know, I don't understand it's for a lot of politics because the one thing that that really confuses me. And you know, I talked to a lot of my my, my, my white friends about it, um as well, and I say, you know, Democrats, Republicans, um.

You look at the makeup of them. Um, it's all white on this side, and it's all white on this side, and they and they can't agree with anything. Okay, Now, just imagine if it was all black on this side and all white on this side, they really wouldn't be to agree with anything. What is the problem here? I can't get that. I can't get not tell me tell me, well, I tell me, tell me what you think, what you think the problem? I tell you what I think. The

problem is. I think that number one, that there's a there's a contest going on here, and I fight for supreme See, there's a fight for money and power. All of the seats that these people sit in. All of these politicians, the seats whether it's there's there's only a certain amount of seats and either Democrats are gonna sit in that seat or Republican is gonna sit in that seat. Most of these seats are occupied by white males. And and so you have to think that yourself. It doesn't

matter how they are. They got the same type of mentality, and that's the maintaining white supremacy and so and and that is the difference. So they're fighting for power, they're not they're not. They're not fighting They're fighting for money and power. They're not fighting for uh equality, Uh yeah, you know, no, no, absolutely not. They're not fighting for equality. They're not fighting for capasci compassion, they're not fighting for righteousness.

They're fighting for money and power. And so that is why when the Republicans are acting like uncivilized mutts, uh you know, and and passing these these gym crow type laws and stuff, the Democrats are just sitting back doing nothing, and they act like they get mad about it, but they don't really do anything about it because they benefit from those same laws they had us. They share the same mentality that the Republicans do. The Republicans are just

crud type. They're all the same, they're same members of the same gang. They're all in the same gang. But the Republicans are more crud you know what a man want to be over the top. Democrats the Democrats. The Democrats. The Democrats are the ones who who fake and act like that they're they're refined and you know, they're more that's a good theory. They just act they just act, just act like they're compassionate and whatever. They're the same,

they're they they're the same as that the Republicans. You gotta ask yourself, all of these years, with all of this bad stuff that's been going on in America, with all of this shooting and killing, the polis doing right now, where has the Democrats been happening? And then they got power? We voted them in, so they got the power that if they wanted to use it, they got power to do something. Yeah, but to do something. But where have

they been? And even if you go all the way back to before the public the parties are changed over, even when even when blacks were Republicans, you gotta ask yourself, where were those Republicans, you know at that time when the Democrats, well, you know, we're doing that. That's a great way to look at it. I mean, uh, And like I said, that's a that's a that's a that's a plausible theory um because you know, for me, I've

always wondered, you know what I mean? You know, you got both sides and they're all the same, and no one can get alone, no one, no one can try to really get any works. They seems they seem like it's a rat races all the game the game. That's why nothing is getting done because they're all on the same page. You both is if you had all the power in the world, would you want to relinquish? No,

That's why I tell people all the time. You know, when when when someone got a business and you're telling someone you know she's running the business unless you had it, you know, and then you got it? Did you got out of power? You don't know how you would feel, um, and when you gotta get it given up. That that's just the way people are. And it's just the human nature. Um. And people most of them aren't gonna want to give it up. But but but did now, but then you

got good people who don't mind giving it up. We're gonna be appreciate. Thank you, man, beat the odds. Man came out on top. Bless me, man, and we really appreciate you coming to appreciate it and spend some time with the ghetto boys. We are reloaded and we got booked it till on the show and we talked a lot of ship today and we really appreciate your time,

no doubt, man. Appreciate your family. This episode was produced by Aching and brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio.