The Beat King Episode

heads and then blame it on us. Don't get it twisted on code and me and dance it for no butterment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all reloaded with another episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio, Old Love justin Riley Boy, hit it with my Facebook name. Hold Love b King is in the building, y'ad man. It's good to see you, bro. Same here man, It's good to see you man. It's

good to see your evolution. You appreciate that. Appreciate you you brother have come along ways and that is a good thing. You know. I'm talking affirmatively, you have come along ways in your development as an artist. Show you know you put the work in. You put a lot of work in. Yeah, I used to be mad at my path back in the day, but I appreciate it now, you know what I'm saying. People who come out real hard in the beginning, they fall real fast too, you know.

So yeah, mine, I had to at the climb the whole time, you know what I'm saying. But we're up now. Is there still any doubt? But from others, no, I know you never had any doubts. They believe now, I wouldn't say it was ever doubt. It was. I think, Um, for my generation, it was always a weird error we were in. You know what I'm saying. We were right after you know, the Slim and Row and you know what I'm saying. And you know, my generation is you

know Propane Kirk, o'bang, just Brittany Dobies. You know, I generation was more of the Internet streaming Houston generation. And with us, you know, we didn't have all the major deals and everything that everybody had before us, you know, but not saying that that made that generation. You know, Houston to me always been underground city, you know what I'm saying. But when you take that underground aspect away,

the DJ screws the you know, Michael wattson Run. See, they still entities, but it wasn't like how the underground scene was, you know, with the mixtapes. You know, we had to come out through the Internet and streaming and Twitter and you know stuff like that. You know. So my generation, it was people didn't consider it traditional Houston music,

you know what I'm saying. So you know with me, you know, I don't sip serve, I don't do drugs, you know, so in a city where everything slow, I was the only motherfucker with energy, you know what I'm saying. My music was, you know what I'm saying. So a lot of people, you know, they wouldn't consider what I did Houston music, you know. But you look at how everything sounds today from the city. Everything has energy down. Everything's club you know, club based from Houston down. So

I could say I did that. I did that is what it is. Yeah, you know what you know, to your point, after Slim and and and Paul Wall and everybody you know did that thing, you know, I mean, your ass and Mike Jones and all of that. It did seem like things kind of kind of like came to a halt almost, and so it took a long time, like you know, really like get that thing, get that

thing back. I know, Travis Scott came sometime later, but you know, it was pretty much seemed like it really wasn't any any real activity except for what you and maybe our DJ Chose was doing. Yeah, she had a little bit buzz going on. Krit co'bain was doing this thing. But as far as consistently hearing stuff out there, uh, you were the guy that I heard, you know. And of course zero always putting out, but zero is another error, but zero is all errors. But you know, shout out

the man. Yeah, but now for a show man, um consistency. That's always been my thing. You know what I'm saying, Um um no. Shout out to people like JQ No. Nine seventy nine. You know he always helped me, you know what I'm saying through the radio. You know what I'm sating, helping me pick my singles and making sure that they were radio friendly and club you know what I'm saying, even to this day, you know what I'm saying, So yeah, man, I'm check people all the time. You

can't compete with the rapper to make his own beats. Man, shit, I'm not gonna fall off ever. Huh yeah, let's talk about that, man. What's what what is the process like to be a rapper and a producer. I've never known that process. I've only known one side and the rapping side. But what's that process like? And how do you mentally switch? You know, Before I get into that, I'll tell you the downside of it. The downside of its. People never

truly respect you as a rapper. When people bring that Houston rapper conversation up, they always leave me out when I've had most more success than most of them, plaques all that, you know what I'm saying. But people are never looking at me as a rapper because like probably the club music and you know how play on songs a lot. But when you are our producers, well, people never put doctors ra in their category. Never really put

Kanye in that category. Even David Banner is another one, Juicy Jay, my favorite rapper, they don't put him in that category. You know, so you know, but for the most part, to answer your question, you know, it's one of those things where you hear music so much that you know, it's kind of like a Prince and Michael Jackson thing. Like Michael Jackson. People love Michael Jackson for everything he did, and Michael Jackson my favorite too. But Prince.

You could put Prince in that studio by himself and he's gonna come out with that hit by hisself. He made the music, everything, sung it, and everything. You know. So for the most part, I think artists like me who make the beats the music too. You just you hear it from his from the beginning to the end. You know, you don't have to look for beat or you know, sometimes I had a beat already and then the idea come from that. Or sometimes I had an idea already from being on a road or something, and

I'll make the beat for the idea I have. Either way it go, it's gonna be a bad motherfucking about thirty minutes to beat in the in the rap. Yeah, not to beat in the rap. You can't do the beat beat in the rap in thirty minutes. Well you can it, But to me, they were creating parts easy. It's the mixing, Like I'm mixing mask style my music too, So that's that's what take a week. You did a batting. You you're saying that you have the propencity to make

the beat and the rap and within thirty minutes. Yeah, the beat is the easy part. I can make a beat in five minutes. It'll be hard, Yeah, five minutes and then wants to beat playing in the loop. The idea come to you? The hook? You know, you lay that hook down real quick. And you know a club song, you don't need more than eight bars in your verse. So you know, I don't write that bull shit, I'll be saying. So you're going there in freestyle four bars

and then stop and think she do that three more times? Shit, the song done. I got a theory why you don't get your respect for being a rapper? Probably I know where you're going with that. I know where you're going with let me see if you know see if you get the lyricism. You know it's intricate and people you know it feels you should write it, and it takes time a thought process because I can really fucking rap. Two people don't understand, like that's what I'm cut from.

I'm cut from No Lloyd Banks and push the t and Joe Button, you know, like the O two is show three ish. That's why you know when switchoutse was like right before they got their deal, every I was talking about Mike Jones. I mean I was on Magno Magnificent, you know what I'm saying. That's who I was bumping a Switchouts, you know. But what's your theory? Well, I you know, I appreciate I appreciate you, you know, giving me credit for thinking but being a thinker. But it

ain't that deep. I think the reason why you don't get your respect as a rapper is because your name is big King. Well, yeah, you get people think of you as a producer, so you're making beats. So maybe you change your name to rap king. I don't want to smoke with that, and you'll get your get you get your credit as a rapper, you know, and then and then you know, at the end of the day, that's maybe that's maybe that's the name of one of

your new albums or sucking be King rap King. The end of the day, man, I don't give a fuck either with it, did I don't? Juicy J is my idol and mentor. I always wanted to be just like him. You know what ship going on? My curd. You don't make beats, Yeah you do. He did, made it all all that three six maia. Shit, him and DJ Paul were making the beats today. Yeah yeah, no, Dj Paul was doing all the ju ja they would make. They were doing it together. Oh yeah. Juicy J's j A

a producer. You know. So a lot of those um those big heads, all right, more respect more more more respectful. Man, I ain't know. I already have respect from, but more respect. You know. It's crazy, Like I say, I see what they don't give him, so I can't expect for them to give it to me. They just said a top fifty rappers lists. Mafia was nowhere on that list when the game sounds like them two days even Project Pat

Winton on that, you know what I'm saying. So I was just like, you know, shit, I wasn't on the list, man, I wrote, listen bro I wrote most of the GB music. But you know it's hold on, hold on, This is what I'm saying. Ghetto Boys is in most people's top five, ten, twenty, whatever you want to call it. If I wrote most of the music, you know, if I wrote most of the songs the majority of the music. I gotta be somewhere. I got you somewhere, some kind of list or something

in a fucked up ass way. You probably not don't like this, just like how pimp see what's on there? But Bun was on there, So we look at it like, all right, pimp, see on there's Bun on there. If you see Faith on there, you're like, all right, let's get a boy. That's the whole conglomerate. That's how I looked at it. They couldn't put groups on there. Let me get you some goddamn glass. I need my goddamn credit, man, I need because we started busting up publishing checks on guard.

You know what I'm saying, hey, man, that publish in check. That that that public check. Brad Jordan, my publishers check s W Dennis here c B Jordan. You did what I'm saying? Yeah, I need mine, man. You know it comes with it. Bro. We just gotta dying ship. That should be lame. You know what I'm saying. Once we die, they're like, oh, man, Willie Lee was a genius. He motherfucking mind playing tricks on yeah, ball head, hold he man,

why are they doings like that. Man, it'd be like that. Man, people don't want to give it to you when you hear they gotta stand on that. When you're here, they are when you're gone, they'd be like, oh many gone. Man, Now I can say it because ain't that something? You know what I'm saying. It'd be like that. No, I went through that my whole career. It's used to it,

you know. It's like that wearing shirts also, like if you wear the shirts of a deceased rapper, Like when a rapper is alive, you would hard to ever, hardly ever catch another rapper wearing his shirt hip hop, but the moment he dies. Hip hop is masculine, you know. It's almost the opposite of hip hop. The word gay.

I'm telling you, like, hip hop is so masculine. It's like I could do a show and if it's some other rappers in there, they'd be like, as soon as I leave, man, nigga be came making them hold and I funk with that nigga. Shit. They'll never tell me, you know what I'm saying. So it's like in a room where everybody want to be alpha and masculine. Shit, they they're not gonna wear no shirt or somebody that's alive.

But if he die, I ain't I gonna wear it now, ship because I fucked with that nigga shit just like but is that is that masculine? Is that masculinity or is that insecurity? It's insecurity? Insecurity. My big sister just passed away, Gangster boot, you know what I'm saying. And we shouts out to gainst the boost. Beautiful pie Lola, that was my dog. You know what I'm saying. We talk like every damn week. You know what I'm saying together too, right, Yeah, and we always did you work

on a new album? Sorry to cut you off? Did you work on a new album? I don't even know if that's real. I'm just being one hunt. I'm seeing all these blogs posts, um she got this what's called Prometheus Promethea or when they when they have an album after they passed some album coming out post postman. Yeah, however, you say, I don't know nothing about that, You know I'm saying. He's saying, Juicy Jay, Juicy Jay ain't working on a gangster Boo album. I'm not working on game.

I got enough shit in my hard drive to drop a whole album. You know what I'm saying, Because she we recorded a lot of stuff that never came out, you know what I'm saying, but got off topic. Um, we talked a lot about respect and everything and how people like how she would hear a lot of her flow and a lot of the women to day and a lot of and a lot of them that they

never gave credit, never gave credit. And when she passed away, I watching all these rappers and say they loved her, and I'm like, I just wish she could have saw that because we would joke about that shit. You know what I'm saying. Because Gangster Boo, she was an asshole. Like if you knew her, she was very nice, sweet person, but she was an asshole, you know what I'm saying.

So she would be roasting a lot of these bitches and shit, a lot of motherfuckers and you know things I never repeat, you know what I'm saying, But you know she would, she would. I wish you could see how much people fucked with her, you know what I'm saying, Like straight up, because her DNA is and a lot of the flow for the women, and I feel like I'm in a way I'm a female rapper, man, Like, let's just be one hundred the music I make. You know what I'm saying, how women gravitate toward it and

all that. You know, it is what it is, female rapper, bro, You know what I'm saying. I was just thinking about something. You know, when I you know, when I content guys get a hold of this thing to put it up on social media, that's gonna be a motherfucking became gonna be to make them clicking. Female rapper, man, it is what it is. Man. You you look at like the female rap scene from Texas, it's all club music. They always listening to be king when they was fifteen, fourteen,

sixteen years old. And I ain't gonna say no name. When you get the saying name, people take it the wrong way and think you're trying to take credit for somebody's success. And I never do that. We all work real hard to get to where we're at. But it is what it is. You know what I'm saying. And I know what I influenced, you know so, and I'm still here. You know, I ain't like one of niggas that fell off, like man, y'all know, y'a always listening.

I got, I got the money, I got the love to respect all that, you know, so I can look at the game now and be like, man, that's it, dope, that's got a boys, reloaded podcasts. We'll be right back after the point. Keen Got the Clubs Too mixtape. You put that out with two thousand and ten two two thousand uh ten yo. Yeah, so that was pretty much our introduction, introduction to you and as a as an artist. The year before that, my first hit was with Candy

Red Independent bitches, get up on It, then work. I made that beat and from there people was introduced to my sound. Okay, yeah, all right, all right. And for a long time, man, you were bubbling and then when you dropped that then leave. Yeah, how did that feel? Man? It felt like I m everybody was like, oh man, this is dope, you finally owned, and I'm just like, man, look to me, it was more like an about time feeling, and to a lot of people who were just discovering,

I guess it was celebratory for them. To me, I'm like, I've been getting this money, been having big houses, been performing at these radio events all around the country, these stadium I've been doing this. It's just people didn't put the face with the music. I say, when the Cucumbers ship. When I came up with that, that started helping my likeness and people started knowing what I looked like. I had the whole green hair and all. I was real

retarded with it back then. But when a song like that comes out, it puts it all together, you know. And for you know a lot of new fans. You know, they came around in twenty twenty during the pandemic and they was like, Man, this new guy b King, this is dope. But I've been out here for ten years before that, you know what I'm saying, And it's nothing like a fan finding out that late to the party.

They're like, oh shit. They get on Apple Music, they started looking up all the old shit and like, damn where he made that? Where he made? Throw that ass? Wait he made because a lot of these songs that blew up, they just really remix of what I've done already. You gotta take a song like then leave Me and Queendom Come. We made that already, a song we have

called yean about their life. Oh same formula, slow ass, simple ass beat, Girl on the hook, take a song like what me and DJ Chose did with Thick the Thick. We made that already. It's called throw that, the hold up bitch stow that. You know. So when you're around

long enough, if you're gonna recycle your shit. And you know, when I got popping popping, a lot of those new fans, they went to discovering all the older music and they put it back on TikTok today and a lot of these older songs from my catalog they're turning up today and I'm looking at the Spotify numbers and they're going up. I'm just like, man, this shit's old as fuck. These kids were probably seven years old when these songs first came out. Now they twenty years old and it's new

to them. So it is what it is. When you think it's fair to say, is it a fair assessment to say that you're Mary Formula? Your main ingredient is to keep it simple? Yeah, simplicity sales. Yeah. I learned that, um, and that was that wasn't an easy transition either, because where I come from, I called myself a young old nigga. I'm thirty eight years old, you know, so I know

all about Ghetto Boys CATALOGU. I know about Willie Dee's catalog, but I also know about Kake Carbon out of Memphis right now, I know about the Youngest Motherfucker's right now, and I know about the ogs. So it's like the shit I'm cut from. I know what real music is, you know what I'm saying. So when I'm making beats, I want to pack it full of shit, let people know that I'm just that nigga. And I had to

learn that people don't give a fuck. Make what's appeas into the ear and where people can listen to and feel good, and it hits the brain quickly, you know what I'm saying. So I started making these simple ass beats. Hey, I just start taking all the sounds out and just putting drums in that mother's and that's then leave you number of drums. You know what I'm saying, Just switch the drums up for the verse. Doom doom doom, you know yeah, you know. So with the beats I had,

that wasn't an easy transition. And I'm a lyrical person. I can really rap if I want to, but I had to learn that bitches don't want to learn triggerometry in the club. Just make a simple beat that a drunk bitch you like and put a hook on it, that a drunk bitch you like, and you're gonna win every summer. Huh man, let's go back to the early summers when man, what does beat keen originate? Like? At?

What where did you grow up? I'm from study wood student offside, right next to right next to exisome okay, uh, Houston area side. It's Houston Area. Yeah, And I got a pot in that named Swift. He's a lawyer. We call him Swift. That was his hood named Swift. But he's a lawyer now. And every time we talk about fifth Ward and Studio Ward, I always called it. I always say, no, no, good studio Wood man and motherfucker

let me jump, you asked? Fifth War? God damn ship y'all motherfucker coming book of trying to jump niggas and ship man, we're not going for that ship. We don't come to. Uh what's the what's the high school with big Ward? Start with with W. Not No, it's with a W. I can't trying. I went to high school in Fifth War. It was an altern of school. I went there for like two years. What area on the right off the freeway. Where's that fucking weekly? Oh? Weekly? Yeah,

we didn't come to weekly with smoking ship. You know what I'm saying. But one time, one time, I'm gonna change a quick story. We get back on track. But uh, one time we ride in the car and uh, you know he was little cheap dude, right, So he wanted me to pay him for gas to go get my car. I had to go pick up my car from the shot. So he wanted me to give him some gas suck. So I was like, man, you try to me for gas.

He's like yeah, Man, I say, okay, all right, So I put you did something that's and asspit for war ship. So I put twenty dollars on the corsole. So I put twenty dollars on the console and at twenty dollars, he left it down right. So when I got out the car to go get in my car, take the twenty back. I took the twenty back. Man, that's how I don't I drive off right. So once I get down the street, he called me. He say, man, fifth water and shit, you just bro I'm the same way.

It don't matter how much how successful I may get a money I may make. I'm still cheap, my nigga, Like, I still go to the club. I hate paying a park. That's my pet pee. I hate giving you. I hate I feel like I'm paying to cut my car off. Man, let's just hate my hand in a park, you know. So I go to Valet, I give them what they fifty dollars whatever, and go to the club. Come back and I'm like, man, they didn't let me in, man, dress code. Man, so I can get a refund back. Man,

I just hate paying the park. Yeah, but why do you think they get away with that? Dude? Hey man, everybody got to eat. I respect it, you respect it. It's just I'm a hustler too, So I feel like you trying to charge me to cut my car off. You know what I don't like. I don't like man. I don't like the fact that they do it two black people, Like. I think that's a bias because I go to white the staff wishments also and they don't

do that. They don't gouge like that. Like you go to the white establishment in Houston, at least game on you Like, Yeah, I get to the parking lot, I'll be like, now I'm cool with the owner. Well, the owner doesn't run the parking lots. It's two different entities, so that the parking lot is owned by somebody how how but it is what it is, and they're gonna eat off of that. And if you if you're driving them cars, them real cards, you're gonna you're going back.

I just let me finish my point I was gonna make first, but I was saying that you know, uh, you go to these uh you go to these uh white establishments or any other establishment. You know, the most you probably pay the park is primarily white established, but it's probably twenty bucks. But when it comes to a spot that's primarily black patrons, man, you're talking twenty to park in the back, you know. And so everything is depending on your car. The car that you're driving depends

on how high they go put up. So I just bought my son a wagon, right, uh huh. So I told my seed dropping a hundred if you're going to the club, yeah, I told him, I say, But I say, you know, I said, you got your valet, your money ready, because uh, they gonna hit you up every time you valet you finn to pay a hundred dollars at least one hundred dollars and that's Houston price. Yeah, Atlanta, you're getting hit. Yeah, man, I said, like All Stars happening

or something, some game or something something going on. In time, I'll be feeling disrespected, though, bro I feel different. I hate paying the part. You know, I have thousands of dollars in my pocket when I try to talk them down. But what I don't like. What I don't like, dog, is that the fact that they that they bias. Like I said, I go to the other establishments and they

don't do that, but they do it to us. And I you know, you know, hey, man, back when I was broke, I used to get them counterfeit money, you know, so you feel like facts change ain't robbery. They're trying to get you like everybody on YouTube. Yeah, and I guess you know, I guess you can't can't blame them right back at my club eight Mile Days, Yeah, I guess you can't blame them. If if black people are dumb enough to pay the price, then you know, hey,

it is what it is. Huh Man's At the end of the day, niggas is gonna pay that shit because they want their car in the front anyway so they can get them bitches. You know, I think it's bigger than that. I know that when like when I valet, I valet because I want my car to be safe. I valet for safe to you know what I'm saying.

I don't want to come out and some my window and I gotta I got the inconvenience of pain, even though it's not it's it's it's a little money just to fix a window, but the hal it's the inconvenience. And they know that and ain't gonna be nothing. Then they ain't gonna steal nothing out of the car. I never keep any valuables in my car, so that never get anything out of it. But it's just inconvenienced. But see that's just niggas and not niggas, it's just black people.

Because you'll go to a black restaurant and four wings and a soda. It's eighty dollars plus at tax, and you just fifty to park and tax gratuity and extra gratuity. And you didn't pay the hundred to park. You didn't drop two hundred dollars for three wings. It's like trying to support black people. Just it is what it is. You know, so that's a cold game right there. Man.

I wouldn't know anything about chicken wings though. I've just lost thirty three pounds, so yeah, thirty three pounds, Yeah on guard thirty three pounds man, So what what's your what's your weight target? I ain't trying to be skinny, man, I wouldn't even be attractive skinny. I ain't. I couldn't even be skinny. I'm trying to lose by thirty more pounds and I'll be good. Yeah, I'll be good, man. I just I just want to be healthier. Man. Shit, Man, I feel better. You know I can perform on stage.

You're better, confident, more confident. Um, you know, you start knocking on that forty door, your body start doing weird shit, your chief start falling out. Uh yeah, your cheeth not gonna fall out for no reason? Well yeah, if you ate candy your whole life, like you know what I'm saying, Like you ate candy and drink soda and all that, and you know you, um, you start getting these high blood pressure headaches for no reason, and your heart start

doing a little jumping bullshit and you laying down. You ain't even doing nothing. You just laying down and your heart beating fast. You like, know, man, I ain't get to this point and this success to die. What was it for? You know what I'm saying. So it's like, let me try to do something about it, you know. So, Um, I hate going to the gym, so I bought everything in the garage. So I live weights three times a week and I try to walk for an hour every day,

you know what I'm saying. And I changed my eating habits too, and that's how I did it. How were you growing up? Like you grew up with your mom and dad? Where was the family? Me and my mom? Um? My little brother came when I was around nine, you know, but I was the only child till like nine years old, and we stayed in study Wood, small ass house, um in the hood. Uh that's probably why I am scared

of roaches to this day. You know, I'm saying, don't matter how I clean your house was, if your house was on bricks, like you was gonna see roaches and rats. There's no way around that shit. But yeah, but I said I wouldn't know gangster though. Like, um, my mom was a good person. She raised me the right way. You know so all my partners that was gangster and shit, our people going to their house and seeing how their

mama was, their daddy was. And that's why I ain't like y'all ain't hating nothing because we're gonna beat somebody up together, you know. But yeah, y'all, nigga savage, I'm not say like, you know, you need to be in the movies, right man, you got you got that persona man like seas all that. I'm a hood nigga. I ain't know gangster though, Like you know, it ain't that wrong with being a gangster. You know, some people ain't got they just gonna be a gangster. That's what they

have to be. I don't know. I think I think a better message. It is something wrong with being a gangster because to get a good gangster lifestyle, you know, and I've been a gangster, you know, like the gangster lifestyle doesn't have a great retirement plan. But you know what you're speaking from, nigga that made it to the retirement plan. See, when you're younger, the the bitches only want the gangster is younger women. You know what I'm saying, that nice guy is not getting no pussy at all.

But that gangster that's going to juvenile and shit, no, he's fucking all the bitches in the apartments. What's about being rebellious? I think, yeah, you think young people, the youth wants just by nature rebellious. And that's no matter what generation that is. Its transcends generations. You know. For sure. Young people are just like rebellion. And that's why when they get to be a certain age, they go trying to clean up everything because that shit got they got

a time limit on it. Man. You can't do that ship forever, man, and then you're gonna run to a nigga. That's about that, just like you. You know what I'm saying. What happened then because your reputation procedes you. Also, so it's somebody why you being active. It's somebody watching you being active, and they're thinking, like, yeah, sooner or later, he's gonna try me. Soon or later, I'm gonna have

to deal with that guy. And they already not already not a deal, they're already plotting on you, Yeah, because they've been watching you be active. Yeah. Man, So you did you get into any fights as a kid, Yeah, I got um, I got into a lot of fights as a kid. Um and what were these fights? Primarily over these fights, Man, disrespect the number one thing for niggas. Somebody somebody playing as you know people, you know, niggas just gonna fuck with you. They're gonna try you. Maybe

we ain't got money like that. And everybody got Jordan's but I got George ash Or you know everybody. You know what I'm saying. Their mama taking them to the mall to get their school clothes. And then I had to go to Winners. You know what I'm saying, Shit like that. You know what I'm saying, better than we had to go. We had to Winners was lit. So we we had Winners sometimes, but other times and for those who you don't know, Winners was a department store.

But uh but you know that was other times. We had to use vouchers. Man, we had these vouchers and go to like Salvation Army, that kind of stuff. I went through that that you'd be lucky you find some something, some night shoes and Salvation Army, but they have brand new things now. It's lit. Nah. It's just like how how food samp City is today. Back in the day, you cannot get no name brand shit. Yeah. Before we had to get that shit at the bottom, we had

to get appleed apples and not apple jacks. You know what I'm saying. But today you can ball out with the motherfucker with food stamps. Today you could buy anything. Man. I was. I was in the store a couple of weeks ago, and I saw what it is the EBT card where it was showing that you could buy like lobster and oh ship, that kind of stuff. I'm like, yeah, shit different, I remember. I don't know how it is now,

but I remember them food sound like that. The one dollar food stamp was great, or the five dollar one was brown and shit and it should have liked Monopoly money. To me, I thought the ship was actually flying. I said, we don't, we don't need real money. We could use this ship, all right. But when she was like, we can't get craft cheese, we have to get this this trash ass ship, I was like, Okay, I don't like

this ship. Did you? Were you ever in the store with with the food stamps and waited to somebody to lead, waited to other people left my mom. She didn't care like that, you know what I'm saying. You you never went to the store food stamps. Well I would. I would stand next to her when she did it. You know what I'm saying, Um, Yeah, I ain't you got

off easy. My mama used to send us to the store with the food stamps, and so we got the food stamps and we're waiting like so we try to spend the food stamps quickly before somebody comes in the store who recognizes us. I think my mama tried. They later on they wouldn't let kids do it. Yeah, I think my mama tried. They had me do that Croakers one time. Now, what was the sh Apple tree back then? Now for any of you out there now, for any of you out there who might be on some bs.

My mama worked, so we had web fast to subsidize or income. My mama worked five days a week for the for the Houston Independent School District as a cook. My mom was a teacher. She worked for HUD. Yeah, we were still bro That's what it would hit me. I remember being like in middle school, like college Jane all that, it's dope if it's a two income household. But my mama got two kids, a master's degree and as a teacher, and we still broke. Well, y'all broke.

We wouldn't we wasn't I say this because she she worked her ass off. She would teach during the week, she was a real estate agent. She played piano at church, three different churches on Sundays to get through different checks from through different churches. You know. So she brought a lot of money in, but it just wasn't enough like that, you know what I'm saying. She always Now I'm like, I know she had a drug habit. She wasn't shrink,

she been doing nothing of that. But for the most part she she always and with my child support money, my my little brother, charl support money. It was just always just enough for the bills and a car note and a light bill. And you know, yeah, did any of the utilities ever get turned off? No, did y'all ever get evicted? No shit, y'all rich by y'all y'all was good? You did you know? Mamma did good? How many how many of you are? Was it? It was too It was too like I never I never tried

to credit her like we was just fucked up. But I think my mama understood the system. She was like all right, Well, I can get these food stamps over here, said that freeze up this money for this. If I played piano piano at these churches, then that would be the food money for the week. If I can sell a house in there, then maybe he can get some Jordans or something. You know what I'm saying, Like we would be in the hood, but I had Nintendo Super,

Nincendo Genesis and all that. Man, what you headed here, everybody came to you got it the good life meals, y'all didn't get the phone turned off. That's why I tell people that there are good people in that that are in the hood, who are law abiding citizens, who work every day and who are just genuinely good people. I know a lot of any more people. There are more of those type of people in the hood than that are, not for sure, but you know how they

like to spend the narrative. Yeah, that that should always been good for to me. Like my thing is, I'm from the hood. We we were broke, but my mom made sure that I didn't notice. You know what I'm saying, like it, I know we'd be moving from here to here, and you know what I'm saying, and certain things that happen and all that, But for the most part, she tried to make sure I had things that I wanted, you know what I'm saying. So I gotta say, Um, you know, I hadn't been through hard times, but I

know it's people who've had a way it worse. Way it worse. People who didn't have parents who had it all together, you know what I'm saying. So they had to go outside and do shit, you know what I'm saying. So, like I say, it's um, I always come in my mama for that I'm saying, because that's probably ain't no, Probably that's why I got all my musical talent from I'm saying. She would play the piano. Now I was

just watching, just watch. It was always a piano in the house, an old piano from her grandma, you know. So she would play the piano at the church. I'll play the drums, you know what I'm saying. Okay, all right, yeah, that followed me all the way to the band. That Book of T I'm playing the drums in the band and yo Book of T. Yeah, we smash y'all on that Battle of the Band. Never say nobody could fuck with us nobody but the Yates. Yates and Yates couldn't

even see us. You know what. You know you came at way after me. But that's the only reason why. But but go look up the history of farrest Brook. That band y'all went on. But I get to see. I'm gonna say what made far As Forest brooklet. Y'all were very loud. So y'all weren't the best players, hell no, man, but y'all were so loud that y'all soul that ship. So if motherfucker's come out on the field, you just

like how I feel that shit. Y'all loud and the motherfucker y'all can't see me though I can't see me. But you know, y'all, y'all loud. Far As Brook was loud and and and we had man fars Brook was nice though they came girls. I'm talking about the baddest girls man Farest Brook. We had so many fine girls. Like the girls who were petitue we had wasn't but like nines and dimes on the Chili the team, if they had a woman body, they were jaguars, you know, y'all.

And red the little schools y'all called them majors, but you know, it was on a different level. So we called it. We was a Jaguars, So we called our girls the jaguar Ets. You know what's crazy. I went to so many high schools because I like, when I turned sixteen, I knew I wanted to be who I ended up being, and I dropped out so many times. I just didn't want to go to school nomore. I just wanted to make beats and wrap and just do that, and I dropped out somebody side. I would never do

my work. I would when I got there, I did my work. I just didn't want to go. I started making beats when I was sixteen. I would be up to like six seven in the morning. My mom would go to work before I had to leave. So I'm not gonna stay up to six am and didn't get dressed and go to school. I'm just gonna not go, you know what I'm saying, Like the fuck? You know?

So I would my mom because she worked at HID, she could if I'm feeling at this school, take me out of there, put me in another one, you know what I'm saying. So I went to so many different high schools, and then when I moved to Titwell. That's when I went to Jersey Village and that was side Fair District, and I was just like, whoa, the bitches over here way better. So it hit me that you had bitches that was hood bad, and then you had these bitches that had money. These bitches looked a little

badder than the hood bitches. And I don't get it sucked up. I love my hood bitches, but this bitch look a little better getting out this bins man, you know what I'm saying. I was like, it's a different level of hood, different level of bad bitch over here,

you know what I'm saying. But maybe I'm just used to I always felt like the hood schools made me like ugly bitches, the hood schools because in the hood, most of these bitches was ugly, but they had fat asses, so you'd be like, damn that bitch bad to their motherfucker when she she really just had a nice as body and shit. And in hood schools, a sprinkle of them are pretty, and they either fucking with the bass,

the basketball or the football. Niggas or some nigga in college or some other ship, or some old ass nigga they have no business fucking with you know what I'm saying. But nine times out of tea in the hood, man, they just from the high school I went to and ship the Book of T. It wasn't pretty like that. See, some of them was so you called Book of T at the end of their glory. Now Book of T

has some bad ones. I don't get it. Sucked up every in the hood you got pretty bitches, but most of them just pretty girls, pretty girls, pretty women, pretty girls, pretty women. This is be keen, y'all. The show is y'all know I'm no, but in my older age, I do give a fuck now, and I want to talk

to the black women. I don't want you to think that just because you in the hood, or you're living situation, or you may not have as much as the other people, that that affects your beauty or you look any less than the other ones. All I'm saying is just what I observed as a seventeen year old. I peep that in the hood you have females with gold teeth. You have females that was tatted the fun up, fuck up all that hood ass bitches, and that looked good to me too. But when I went over here to Side

Falls in Jersey Village. They wasn't tattered up. They had gold teeth. These bitches talked like white girls and they was just as thick as the hood bitches. And I was just just dip. So let me rephrase that they're not batter. Your voice reloaded. Podcasts will be right back after the point. Let's let's talk about uh. Let's talk about one of your favorite words, bitch m Now, how do you reconcile loving using that word so much? I

mean that word is one of your favorite words. I mean it has a dear place in your heart, a special place in your heart. How do you reconcile using that word and raising two daughters? What? What if? What what if? What if? What if? What do you go to question? They ask? What if? What if somebody put a queue coming your daughter? If your daughters your daughters are what nine ten, eleven, eleven, sooner to be eleven

and twelve eleven twelve, your daughters having in twelve? What if your daughter came home and said, chance called me a bat? Where you do it? Don't have to be a situation where are you hanging around this nigga? Let's just be one hunt because like, if a nigga just called you a bitch for no reason, why you just eating in the cafeteria, I'm gonna have to come to

the school. But if you are all in this nigga face and you know, all on this nigga dick and shit and he don't value women, and you notice and he called you a bitch, you're talking abody living in twelve man. That's when it saw it going down in middle school. Shit shit at middle school. I went to

black middle school on the North Side. I mean, it was bitches pregnant in that bitch thirteen twel But anyway, um, it would have to be I'd have to know what's going on behind it, because if you all on this nigga face, you you gotta respect yourself. If this nigga calling all the girls around him bitches and you want to still hang around this nigga, you're gonna be a bit soon. Okay. So see Heaven b King is a daddy, You're gonna look at the world a whole lot different.

You know what I'm saying, Like I put my daughters on I talked to him like street niggas from a very young age. So nothing. They're not impressed by no nigga, none of that shit. You know what I'm saying, Like, if your dad is being club guard, you're gonna know what the fuck going on at a very young age. All these songs I made, they were there. They was hearing this ship they were they were there holding one, were making the beat the little one. Uh yeah, yeah,

I'm sitting there saying this. You know. So when they get a little older day day, you know, question is gonna be asked. And I always explained to them. But I tell you what though, you know, uh, I'll be a suicide man. And just watching you, like watching watching you interact with your daughter, both of them, watching you just interact with them, let me know that you were, at the very minimum a good dad. You know that

right there. I'm always impressed by good fathers, you know, Like I'm always suppressed by by guys who spend time with their children, like quality time with their children. And you can tell the ones who really are into their children, like like crazy, I could tell. I could tell that. I feel like the best dads are the people who didn't have one. Oftentimes they are like, yeah, you want to be that guy. I'm just like I. I couldn't imagine not being in their lives, you know what I'm saying.

Like my dad, we got cool before he passed away, like in um oh three, but he wasn't there at all. I say, probably my whole life. I probably seeing this guy probably maybe two or three weeks out of my whole life if you add up all the different time we saw each other, you know what I'm saying. So I wasn't feeling that nigga like that. I ain't gonna lie,

you know. But when um, when I turned eighteen, he just he tried to come in my life more and talk to me, and I couldn't do num but of of respect that, you know, I ain't gonna be no whole ass nigga, no nigga fuck you know. You know it was you know, I let him try to, you know, and we got cool before he passed away, you know what I'm saying. But I couldn't. I couldn't put my daughters through that and this fucked up ass world we in now. Man, you need some male figure to let

you know what the fuck is going on. Like it's it's it's it's rough out here. It was rough back in the day. But today man, with them phones. Man, you take an ell man. Back in the day, man, you can just switch schools. But today man, it's on the internet. Man, so you can't run from no l today. So you gotta teach them values and things. You know

what I'm saying, Just like, don't embarrass yourself. You know what I'm saying, Like, just you know, because if you embarrass yourself, I'm gonna make a song about you, like I don't even know you, and it's gonna be on the radio. Your kids and your friend's gonna be tiktoking to that shit. All that shit. Okay, hypothetically speaking, hypothetically speaking, Your daughter comes home, she's I don't know, sixteen years old, and she has a guy right behind her. She says, Dad,

this is my boyfriend. And you look the guy up and down. You know, he smelled like weed. He tagged it up and his pants are hanging off his ass, and he tell you, what's up? Nigga? How you how do you respond to that? This is nothing. I wouldn't even judge it from his pants hanging out or weed. I wouldn't even judge him from that. But what's up? Nigga? And get the bitch o what get the fuck out of Nigga? What the But then I can't do that

with women because they will rebel. They will go see it, see this nigga and fuck him next week behind your back. So it's like you have to instill it in your daughters, like I am not. I can't sit here and say that my daughters are exempt from any of this. It can happen to any of us. You can be the best dad and he can still happen to you. All I know is that I did everything I could instill. Like you hear my songs, so you know in a way whatnot to be, like, don't be like my lyrics.

You know I'm saying in a fucked up ass way. You know what I'm saying. Whatever I'm wrapping about, I don't do that shit, you know what I'm saying. Like it just it is what it is, you know. But I um, I never judge a young man for being young. You know what I'm saying. Nigga's gonna smoke, They're gonna you know, they're gonna sack, They're gonna do all that. Hell, you're sixteen, man. It is what it is. What it is. But um, certain people you you you know when they

in the streets. Though, you can look at some of them little niggas and be like, let me see this nigga Instagram and here holding pistols. Never picture now, Nah, that's not no nigga you've been with. You have a humorous side of you, but you also have a serious side of you. Most people know the humorous out of you when you make from making the beats and stuff and just being this jolly guy, right, just you know, happy gold like a guy. Uh, how do you respond

when people take you for a joke. Let's say, let's say it's a situation you know where you know, I don't know you just it's you know, it's a serious situation that somebody think thinking that because of what they've heard you in the music, they thinking that, you know, on the personal side, that's who you are, who you know what I don't. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I don't have problems like that. I think for

two reasons. Um. Number one, when you see me in person, you see I'm sixty three, you were like, oh man, I thought I can whoop that little jolly ass nigga. Man, shit, man, I gotta shoot him down man, like the little jolly nigga. I thought like that, you know what I'm saying, So people they don't don't play with me like that, not saying I can't get played with it. But I don't have those problems. And another reason, another thing. I don't carry myself like that. I don't with a jury. I

don't flash money like that. I don't, you know, so a lot of people when they meet me, they see I'm a real ass person. I don't. I don't feel like I'm too big to talk to anybody. I have a conversation with anybody. I don't um. And most time I had the problems with people, it was they just wanted me to fuck with them. They just man, b king bro weak. I just want you to fuck with me. Just listen to my music, bro, just that's all I wanted.

Bro ain't handle It's like, you know, like it's I don't have issues with nobody, you know what I'm saying. And this I think because I care. I know how to talk to people, you know what I'm saying, how to carry myself, you know, And what is the best way for somebody to approach you. Who's trying to get you to listen to their music or listen to their sound, their wraps. What's the best way for them to get

at you. How about this to anybody approaching any artists, just step outside of your own shoes for a little while and just put yourself in that position. If somebody is taking the ship, they don't want to have a conversation with nobody. That just happened to me two weeks ago. I was in a restaurant taking the ship. Dude came in there, bking B Can I know that I know that you up in there? Huh, I saw you walk

up in there. Bro. You know what I'm saying, Man, I just want to let you know now I really fuck with what you do for the city, dog, and I want you to fuck with my music. I'm not saying nothing. I'm just like I'm taking the ship. You know, when somebody walk in the bathroom, you you clutch your ass cheeks tight. You stop, you stop taking that ship because you don't want to hear that bed. So I'm already sitting there trying not to let this shit out.

This nigga talking to me, I'm just like this nigga is still When the nigga started to wrap, that's I said. I said, I say, say, my nigga, I say, I say, I'm trying to take a ship my nigga. All right, man, all right, all right, And then he just walked out, and I'm just like, but I remember when I was a new artist and it was like two thousand nine or ten, I probably would have said something made n't want to do something when I kind of got out the stall or something. You know. So I'm growing too

saying like but it come with it. It comes with it. Man. You can't go to Walmart, man, you can't do normal shit. If you go to Walmart, you gotta take pictures with damn there everybody in that hole. You gotta you know shit. And you start going to Target because it's not as ranche I go to Target, Man, start start going to some whole food, um, grocery stores. It's the one all they you said, whatever, But yeah, man, you know, but people,

I'm a real approach, approachable person. Man, I'm not an ass So how I sit there and have a conversation. I ain't with that touching ship though, No, because that that that almost escalated Um, I say, around January, I'm up in Walgreens and um, a guy walked up on him. He was a fan, but he walked up to me, touching me. He put his arm around me. What's up? Bee king niggat, fuck with you the fuck off of me? He's nigga, what the fuck you want to do? I say, Nigga,

I don't know you. Nigga. You put your arm around me. He was like, shit, man, I fuck with your ship though. Man, I say, nigga, say that, then you can't just be touching people like that so she can escalate quick. You know what I'm saying. If you don't know how to talk to people and de escalate the situations, how to talk to people, you know what I'm saying, because miscommunication,

it can go left quick. Man. A lot of these people that don't like you, they were when they were getting dressed to go to the club, they was your fan, putting on these shirts and shit, they was your fan. They loved you until they walked up to you and said the wrong thing and not. He instantly want to kill you because you killed the whole perception to you, you know what I'm saying. So it's like I try to stop that shit. You know what I'm saying, Like, I try to stop for it. Get there. You know

what I'm saying. It's been times I've been the clubs and you know what I'm saying. Niggas they mugging you and shit. And you know what I'm saying, You get through doing your show because you in the city, they can get to you. You know what I'm saying, They get right past them security niggas and all that. What' so b king And I want you to fuck with my ship and I say, man, look, I'm gonna be one hunter with you. We're in a club. It ain't nothing I could do anything. You say that wasn't listening

to their music. They're ready to go left now because you you fucked up the plan they had. They were gonna rap to you and you were gonna fuck with and he was gonna be like hustling flow and the ship. You know what I'm saying. But I had to get close to the nigga. I got real close to him, so you know I wasn't those like no bitch of ass nigga. I said, Hey, I'm gonna be one honey with you. My nigga, you don't need to be rapping your ship to these rappers anyway, me saying this ain't

the right time. This to me saying it's not the right time, because it ain't. You need to stop saying your ship to these rappers anyway, because you're saying your ship to these rappers and in six months you hear your ship on their ship. Stop rapping to these rappers in the club. He goes steal your ship. However, he was like, he was like, no, I respected, I respected, I appreciate you. You know what I'm saying, fucking with me?

And shit, I fuck with your ship, Charlotte. For a guy, for a guy who meets his idol in the club, who is does what that idol does, if he raps, if he makes beats. Let's just say he raps, and he has an opportunity to approach you. And what is the alternative if he can't walk up to you. Because a lot of rappers have heard rappers got on by walking up to jay Z or this person and spitting their bars, what is the best way for them? If they can't get you, get at you right there on

the spot, what's the best way for them? To get at you or anybody. When rappers come up to me, i'd tell them, real nigga, shit, it's nothing I can do for you right now now. If you want to picture something that's cool, but you spitting to me and all that. This ain't the nineties, bro, ain't no guy in the back of the bar and gonna sign you had a lack of records, and like this ain't now. If they want to make if they if they want

to get some production that's different. Now. My thing is, if y'all want to get a feature or be to something that's different, take my number down. Let's get it popping. But all that walking up thinking of that I'm going to change your life tonight like that, It's not possible, you know what I'm saying. Even if I like what you're gonna spit, what can I do right now? You know what I'm saying, Like I'll be like, man, look, don't give your song to me. Give it to a

DJ that can do something with it. That DJ right up there in that booth. Take your song to him, you know what I'm saying. Take that song. Get all your little nieces and cousins and everything, make all of them do tiktoks to this song. A lot of niggas they don't want to do the work of this one instant, you know what I'm saying. And anything that you tell them outside the instant, they take it as Hayden. The

flip side of that is the women. What's the most memorable escalation that you had with a woman in the club or just anywhere out in public? The escalation and you're like, damn that that changed quick. That The first thing, the first thing came in my brain was, Um, two thousand and twelve, my manager is my baby mama. You know what I'm saying, shot Tatasha. You know what I'm saying, Um, she's very club guards sensitive. Because we have children together,

we protect them and we protect the money. I trust and because she would not fuck over me because we got kids. We're gonna get this money forever. You know what I'm saying. We gotta understand it. We're not together, you know what I'm saying, But we have a respect

for each other, you know what I'm saying. And in two thou twelve we were together though, and I was in Onyx just when Onyx was still in Dallas, and it was it was either Super Bowl or All Star something, but Honyx was packed, and I guess this little bit wasn't making no money in there, and she was mad. So she was just walking through the crowd of people, just pushing everybody and pushing them. And I had this coca cola because I don't drink. I had this Coca

cola in my hand. She shoved into me, and the ship just spelled all over my damn outfit. I said, may need to watch where the fuck you going, nigga. Shut the fuck up. I gotta watch where the fuck I'm going, nigga. This is my club, nigga. Fuck. She put her hand in my face. Before I could even retaliate, Tasha just threw her drink in the bitch space boof

and jump jumped on her and beat her ass. And I was just like, that was one of the situations I was glad she was there because it was like, I'm glad she was there to do something because I couldn't. I'm a man. All I could do is yell out there and make me look lame. I'm giving this bitch attention and shit. But she beat the bitch ass. So that was a time in the club where escalated with a woman shoutside Tasha. I do not condone violence, but

I do condone self defense, let retaliation. Let me get Atasha her flowers though, because I don't, I don't do interviews. You you really do you hit me? So I did this? Yeah, my manager Tasha, she won't get a lot of respect as she should. We came from the bottom with this shit, you know what I'm saying. Nobody gave us a template. Nobody sounded like me in oh nine, and we made it all the way to the top. I've watched her beat up promoters, DJ's strippers and anybody that's played with

this ship that we built. You know what I'm saying. She's a psycho bitch, you know I'm saying. But she's one of the only women that I trust, you know what I'm saying. And a lot of artists don't get that, managers, you know what I'm saying, love and respect, man, They just people think it's just the artists and all that contracts have to be read. Tasha's Lokia fucking lawyer. When I was finding sign to Columbia, you know what I'm saying, I had my lawyer looking over the contract and I

had Tasha looking over the contract. Tasha finished, She finished the contract before the lawyer, and the lawyer was like, Tasha, you really should practice law because you comb through that before and understood everything and brought points and things to me before I could finish it. You know what I'm saying, So shot to Tasha, man like she's the best manager. You know what I'm saying. She was a rapper. She quit rapping the manage me. You know what I'm saying,

So shot to Tasha. Shout out to Tasha and shout out to be king for John and to get old boys reloaded podcasts. Yes, sir, Yes sir, it's been a thriller. Brother's been a thrill. Ain't number leve on my n man. You know what I'm saying, Big og, triple og, salute to you to get all boys all that. You know what I'm saying. You know what, Scott Bet you probably remember this my first time ever meeting you. I think it's before you had went to jail a little bit

before that. We was in co Jack Studio. Coajack. Yeah, Coajack. You had on like this white dress shirt or something. I think we we we were we at his studio or was he at my or where were at my studio? You know, Jake used to work out of my studio. Maybe we was at yours. I know he had this purple MPC four thousand and he was saying he had these drums from koc Shott to Koca by the prom and I remember you. You were sitting on a couch and that's the first time I ever saw you and

met you. I know you. I don't remember that, but I don't know who studio it was, but yeah it was. I can't remember exactly what. I know it was Cojack there, Okaya mog Potner say on them beats going down memory, laying on our way out of the door, No more talk. This episode was produced by Aking and brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio.